January 10, 2025 • 15 mins
Imagine being 14 years old, innocently playing with a toy gun, and suddenly finding yourself in a potentially deadly encounter with law enforcement. This week on Blind Intelligence, I'm Miss Ronnie, and I invite you to listen to the profound personal stories of DJ Thinking 808 from Houston and rapper King Cooper from Memphis as they share their intense and eye-opening experiences with police during their youth. These narratives reveal the stark realities of racial bias and early police encounters that haunt many Black men. We delve into the systemic issues underscored by statistics from the National Juvenile Justice Network, highlighting the urgent need for reform in how youth of color are treated within the judicial process.
Navigating conversations about police violence within Black communities is complex and emotionally charged. We offer guidance on how parents can approach these difficult discussions with their children, from teaching young kids about the role of police to talking with teenagers about racial injustice and implicit bias. Deborah Davis joins us to share her unsettling story as a mother grappling with distrust towards law enforcement after her teenage son was approached without her consent, adding another layer to this multifaceted issue. Tune in for an episode that aims to foster understanding and provide practical advice on addressing these crucial topics with the next generation.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hello everyone, welcome to this week's blind
intelligence with me, missRonnie, where I always seek to
give you exquisite cranialrepertoire.
This week I am going to talkwith you about the ages at which
black men first experiencedtheir encounters with the police
.
I decided to do this showbecause that was one of the
(00:35):
questions that was normallyasked during an interview, and I
noticed a pattern of the firstencounters being between the
ages of 14 and 18.
So I took some snippets fromsome footage and three people
are going to share their stories, and we're also going to find
(00:56):
out how a mother felt when herson was first arrested and how
she feels now that he isactually incarcerated.
According to the NationalJuvenile Justice Network, police
use of force is just one aspectof the inequitable judicial
(01:18):
process for use of color.
Basically, what they're sayingis that if a black child and a
white child let's say teenageror adolescent does the same act,
that the black one is usuallyjudged more harshly.
It says youth of color havebeen overrepresented and treated
(01:40):
more harshly for the samebehavior as their non-Hispanic
white counterparts at everystage of the delinquency process
for decades.
So this is meaning that it hasbeen known that our black youth
has been judged more harshly,but there's nobody standing up
for them, so it's time to bringsome awareness to that.
(02:03):
Our first story is going to bewith a producer out of houston,
dj thinking 808.
He is going to share with ushis first experience with police
.
What are your thoughts on thecurrent state of everything
(02:24):
going on with police brutality,with you being from Houston?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
From Houston police brutality, it, it, it's man,
that's yeah.
You know, with everythingthat's going on with it.
You would like to see police bea little bit more proactive in
their approach, you know, withcertain individuals and not be
(02:52):
so military like I would like tosee that from police and I've
had my own run-ins with police,you know it could have turned
out how old were you when youfirst had your first run in.
I think I was like 16.
We came out of Kinko's it waslate at night.
(03:13):
It was a little piece of coffeeand then, as we were walking
out to Kinko's, the cop rightthere.
He pulled a gun on me, searchedme down, made sure I had that
on me.
He pulled a gun on you?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, for what reason ?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
For nothing, just being out that time and age At
age 16?
.
Yeah, At age 16,.
Yep, and the cold part about it.
We were, like I said, we wereat a Kinko's Coppers getting
getting some coppers, but thecold part about it the clerk
that was in the Kinko's wasblack.
He was the one who called thecops on me.
So even in that situation Idon't know who really fought the
(03:50):
cops, and I was the one thatinvited the clerk to call the
cops on us in the first place.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You know, we were just in there trying to get the
cops to go home.
According to the NPR's CodeSwitch podcast, in their May 23,
2017 commentary, they can bequoted as Black boys are policed
like no other demographic.
They are policed on the street,in the malls, in the schools,
in their homes.
On social media Police, stopblack boys on the vaguest
(04:24):
description Black hoodie, blackboys running, black boys in
jeans, black boys in athleticgear.
Young black males are treatedas if they are out of place, not
only when they are in whitemiddle class neighborhoods, but
even when they're in their ownneighborhoods hanging with their
own friends or even sitting ontheir own front porch.
(04:45):
Our next story will be withrapper King Cooper out of
Memphis.
He's going to talk about hisfirst experience with the police
, and him and his friends wereplaying with toy guns, and
that's something that I findvery ironic, because if toy guns
(05:09):
are going to cause a threat,then why make toy guns?
But anyway, listen to his story.
Give me a personal experiencethat you have had with police
brutality.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
We first time.
Hey y'all, brutality, ShitFirst time, shit, 14.
Hey y'all, don't be giving yoursons no guns, man, to play with
.
Man.
Y'all got no reason.
They control the neighborhood,man, it's all the same.
Me and my partners headed tothe studio to record a song.
We playing around with the BBgun, you feel me and the cop got
(05:43):
there and me get down on thefucking ground with his gun.
I tried out on.
I'm like God damn bro, the gun,look real.
You know what I'm talking about.
But this motherfucker told meif that car wasn't in front of
me I would have shot you dead.
Wow, I thank that car for beingin front of me and blocking me
from being able to get a goodshot on me and be blocking me
from being able to get a goodshot on me.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
On my soul.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
he told me that 14 years old, what Gave me a curfew
?
He didn't follow the curfew,but you know I mean, listen, man
, he did that.
He said that the car wasn't infront of him.
It was a white car that wascoming into the apartments
before he came in, and thatshowed why he didn't shoot me.
So you know, man, the shit beengoing on, you feel me, and it's
just it's been going on andpeople don't get a chance to
(06:27):
speak on it.
You know what I'm saying, butit's some, but I know some good
police too.
But it's like, when the goodpolice don't say nothing, the
bad police, you become a badpolice too, you feel me.
And then when you don't speakon nothing, you are the bad
police.
So it's like, you know, I don'tgot hatred for none of them,
but it's just like what's rightis right, what's wrong is wrong.
(06:49):
But the time, what's happeningnow?
Shit getting destroyed, youknow what I'm talking about,
shit getting shut down.
I just tell people, man, learnthyself.
Man, I don't give a fuck whatyou doing.
Man, learn thyself.
Man, find your purpose, man,for real, because it's been a
time.
Look you done went Latin Right.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Our next story is going to be from producer
Funkyfoot out of Pine Bluff.
He's going to talk about hisexperience with the police even
though his is one of thoseclassic examples of that if it
was one of his othercounterparts that was doing the
(07:30):
same crime where he had got thesame punishment.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
So let's listen to his story you know, when I was
probably between, I say, 18 to21, I went to jail a lot, so I
was seeing the police a lot.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
They were they were seeing me, I think they had my
car.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I don't know what it was, because they was always
stopping me.
You know what I'm saying.
But, and you know and I was.
You know, my most memorabletime was the time we were about
to go to the club on the PJsheaded up there.
It was a big party.
Everybody was headed there.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Oh, y'all about to go .
Speaker 4 (08:11):
We was at the liquor store, you know, and I got us
some drink and everything and Istopped right there by UAPB you
know what I'm saying Everybody.
And I stopped right there byUAPD.
You know what I'm saying.
Eric was singing to us rightthere, passing by Y'all straight
, y'all straight, you know which.
We thought we was, but then Iwent to jail the day.
We ain't make it and that wasprobably the most memorable
because I got a DWI over thereyou know what I'm saying and I
(08:32):
wasn't even hardly drunk, sothat was like that was the most
memorable one Wait, wait, waitwait, wait, wait, wait wait what
is not hardly drunk.
Because I only took the thing iswe drinking Everclear, so it's
180 proof, cody what is nothardly drunk.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Come on now, Cody.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, because I only took like about two hits, two
actual hits.
You know what I'm saying.
But it was just the fact thatit was Everclear, so it was
wrong.
So it would pay a legal minimum.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So you don't look at that.
That might have saved your life.
Yeah, it might have.
Next, we are going to have amother to talk about her
experience when she found outthat her 16-year-old was first
arrested and what he wasarrested about.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I'm Deborah Davis.
I'm a mother of two children.
He was 16 at the time.
He was 16 at the time.
What happened?
He had talked to a girl.
They said he was with a girl.
(09:51):
That was kind of age.
And my son was called by.
They were investigating himprivately and he said he had
gotten a phone call from aprivate investigator that told
him he needed to turn himself in.
At the age of 16?
.
Mm-hmm, but he said she was verynice about it, the way they
handled it, and if he resistedthen he could be in a lot of
(10:16):
trouble.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So of course, but they never called you as the
parent, never, they never.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So of course they never called you as the parents.
They never called him.
So they might have called him,but he didn't tell me.
So me and him are very close,so he calls me before he calls
his dad.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So how did that make you feel about the police as a
parent?
Knowing that the police hascontacted your 16 year old son
about being with somebody underage and never contacted you as
the parent, how did that makeyou feel towards the police?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I felt like it was unjustly and I felt like they
were, you know, doing somethings underhanded.
I didn't feel like they handledthis whole situation right,
because he was a minor still,even though he wasn't living
with me, but I would haveappreciated them being able to
(11:20):
talk to me first.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But they didn't.
So what was your relationshipwith?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
the police from that point on Untrusting, Even though
my son said that they did notinterrogate him and they were
nice about it, I just I didn'ttrust the situation and we did
get a lawyer behind it and hewas able to fight it Because the
girl that wasn't the first timeshe had encounters like that.
(11:56):
How old was she?
13.
?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
probably see 13.
Dr Adrian Clark, a psychiatrist, give some pointers and
examples of how and when to talkto children about the police
and especially black children,and the talk that they should
have, and she recommends thatparents should start talking
with their children by the ageof six.
(12:23):
These are some of the thingsshe say for school-aged children
, that's, you know, going tokindergarten, first grade
through sixth grade.
All those good things givedetails but not information that
might be above the languagethat they're able to comprehend.
Concepts that are difficult tounderstand are words like
discrimination and racialinjustice.
(12:43):
Instead, she says, mention therole police officers play and
the benefits of police officers,but help them to understand
that sometimes policeinteractions don't always go
that way and that sometimespeople are hurt.
Younger adolescents, startingaround 10 or 11 years old, you
should start talking aboutconcepts such as discrimination
(13:05):
and racial injustice usinghistorical examples.
You should explain theinequities that you might see in
the criminal justice system,such as the rate at which black
men are sentenced andincarcerated, but also do it in
an age appropriate way for olderadolescents, 14 years and above
(13:25):
.
It says help teens, especiallyblack teens, understand that
implicit bias may cause policeofficers to view them as older
and more aggressive than theirwhite peers, share research with
them to help them explain thisand other disparities, because,
even though they feel like that,they're a child, they're not
(13:47):
viewed that way by police andyou have to explain to them that
they're viewed as a threat, andon our part, we have to make
people more aware that ourchildren are children just like
their children, that ourchildren are children just like
their children, and that weexpect for our children to be
treated fairly, just like youwould treat your children.
(14:08):
So I hope that I've broughtsome type of awareness to
everyone about the ages in whichyou start talking about the
police to your children, and Ihope that some of these stories
that were shared will helpsomeone else and people will see
similarities in their ownsituations to help bring
awareness to others.
I will see you after theholidays.
(14:29):
I thank you for tuning in and,as always, I want you to
experience exquisite cranialrepertoire with me and I will
see you in 2021.
Bye with me and I will see youin 2021.
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Blonde Intelligence.
Hello everyone, welcome to this week's blind
intelligence with me, missRonnie, where I always seek to
give you exquisite cranialrepertoire.
This week I am going to talkwith you about the ages at which
black men first experiencedtheir encounters with the police
.
I decided to do this showbecause that was one of the
(00:35):
questions that was normallyasked during an interview, and I
noticed a pattern of the firstencounters being between the
ages of 14 and 18.
So I took some snippets fromsome footage and three people
are going to share their stories, and we're also going to find
(00:56):
out how a mother felt when herson was first arrested and how
she feels now that he isactually incarcerated.
According to the NationalJuvenile Justice Network, police
use of force is just one aspectof the inequitable judicial
(01:18):
process for use of color.
Basically, what they're sayingis that if a black child and a
white child let's say teenageror adolescent does the same act,
that the black one is usuallyjudged more harshly.
It says youth of color havebeen overrepresented and treated
(01:40):
more harshly for the samebehavior as their non-Hispanic
white counterparts at everystage of the delinquency process
for decades.
So this is meaning that it hasbeen known that our black youth
has been judged more harshly,but there's nobody standing up
for them, so it's time to bringsome awareness to that.
(02:03):
Our first story is going to bewith a producer out of houston,
dj thinking 808.
He is going to share with ushis first experience with police
.
What are your thoughts on thecurrent state of everything
(02:24):
going on with police brutality,with you being from Houston?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
From Houston police brutality, it, it, it's man,
that's yeah.
You know, with everythingthat's going on with it.
You would like to see police bea little bit more proactive in
their approach, you know, withcertain individuals and not be
(02:52):
so military like I would like tosee that from police and I've
had my own run-ins with police,you know it could have turned
out how old were you when youfirst had your first run in.
I think I was like 16.
We came out of Kinko's it waslate at night.
(03:13):
It was a little piece of coffeeand then, as we were walking
out to Kinko's, the cop rightthere.
He pulled a gun on me, searchedme down, made sure I had that
on me.
He pulled a gun on you?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, for what reason ?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
For nothing, just being out that time and age At
age 16?
.
Yeah, At age 16,.
Yep, and the cold part about it.
We were, like I said, we wereat a Kinko's Coppers getting
getting some coppers, but thecold part about it the clerk
that was in the Kinko's wasblack.
He was the one who called thecops on me.
So even in that situation Idon't know who really fought the
(03:50):
cops, and I was the one thatinvited the clerk to call the
cops on us in the first place.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You know, we were just in there trying to get the
cops to go home.
According to the NPR's CodeSwitch podcast, in their May 23,
2017 commentary, they can bequoted as Black boys are policed
like no other demographic.
They are policed on the street,in the malls, in the schools,
in their homes.
On social media Police, stopblack boys on the vaguest
(04:24):
description Black hoodie, blackboys running, black boys in
jeans, black boys in athleticgear.
Young black males are treatedas if they are out of place, not
only when they are in whitemiddle class neighborhoods, but
even when they're in their ownneighborhoods hanging with their
own friends or even sitting ontheir own front porch.
(04:45):
Our next story will be withrapper King Cooper out of
Memphis.
He's going to talk about hisfirst experience with the police
, and him and his friends wereplaying with toy guns, and
that's something that I findvery ironic, because if toy guns
(05:09):
are going to cause a threat,then why make toy guns?
But anyway, listen to his story.
Give me a personal experiencethat you have had with police
brutality.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
We first time.
Hey y'all, brutality, ShitFirst time, shit, 14.
Hey y'all, don't be giving yoursons no guns, man, to play with
.
Man.
Y'all got no reason.
They control the neighborhood,man, it's all the same.
Me and my partners headed tothe studio to record a song.
We playing around with the BBgun, you feel me and the cop got
(05:43):
there and me get down on thefucking ground with his gun.
I tried out on.
I'm like God damn bro, the gun,look real.
You know what I'm talking about.
But this motherfucker told meif that car wasn't in front of
me I would have shot you dead.
Wow, I thank that car for beingin front of me and blocking me
from being able to get a goodshot on me and be blocking me
from being able to get a goodshot on me.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
On my soul.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
he told me that 14 years old, what Gave me a curfew
?
He didn't follow the curfew,but you know I mean, listen, man
, he did that.
He said that the car wasn't infront of him.
It was a white car that wascoming into the apartments
before he came in, and thatshowed why he didn't shoot me.
So you know, man, the shit beengoing on, you feel me, and it's
just it's been going on andpeople don't get a chance to
(06:27):
speak on it.
You know what I'm saying, butit's some, but I know some good
police too.
But it's like, when the goodpolice don't say nothing, the
bad police, you become a badpolice too, you feel me.
And then when you don't speakon nothing, you are the bad
police.
So it's like, you know, I don'tgot hatred for none of them,
but it's just like what's rightis right, what's wrong is wrong.
(06:49):
But the time, what's happeningnow?
Shit getting destroyed, youknow what I'm talking about,
shit getting shut down.
I just tell people, man, learnthyself.
Man, I don't give a fuck whatyou doing.
Man, learn thyself.
Man, find your purpose, man,for real, because it's been a
time.
Look you done went Latin Right.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Our next story is going to be from producer
Funkyfoot out of Pine Bluff.
He's going to talk about hisexperience with the police even
though his is one of thoseclassic examples of that if it
was one of his othercounterparts that was doing the
(07:30):
same crime where he had got thesame punishment.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
So let's listen to his story you know, when I was
probably between, I say, 18 to21, I went to jail a lot, so I
was seeing the police a lot.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
They were they were seeing me, I think they had my
car.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I don't know what it was, because they was always
stopping me.
You know what I'm saying.
But, and you know and I was.
You know, my most memorabletime was the time we were about
to go to the club on the PJsheaded up there.
It was a big party.
Everybody was headed there.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Oh, y'all about to go .
Speaker 4 (08:11):
We was at the liquor store, you know, and I got us
some drink and everything and Istopped right there by UAPB you
know what I'm saying Everybody.
And I stopped right there byUAPD.
You know what I'm saying.
Eric was singing to us rightthere, passing by Y'all straight
, y'all straight, you know which.
We thought we was, but then Iwent to jail the day.
We ain't make it and that wasprobably the most memorable
because I got a DWI over thereyou know what I'm saying and I
(08:32):
wasn't even hardly drunk, sothat was like that was the most
memorable one Wait, wait, waitwait, wait, wait, wait wait what
is not hardly drunk.
Because I only took the thing iswe drinking Everclear, so it's
180 proof, cody what is nothardly drunk.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Come on now, Cody.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, because I only took like about two hits, two
actual hits.
You know what I'm saying.
But it was just the fact thatit was Everclear, so it was
wrong.
So it would pay a legal minimum.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So you don't look at that.
That might have saved your life.
Yeah, it might have.
Next, we are going to have amother to talk about her
experience when she found outthat her 16-year-old was first
arrested and what he wasarrested about.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I'm Deborah Davis.
I'm a mother of two children.
He was 16 at the time.
He was 16 at the time.
What happened?
He had talked to a girl.
They said he was with a girl.
(09:51):
That was kind of age.
And my son was called by.
They were investigating himprivately and he said he had
gotten a phone call from aprivate investigator that told
him he needed to turn himself in.
At the age of 16?
.
Mm-hmm, but he said she was verynice about it, the way they
handled it, and if he resistedthen he could be in a lot of
(10:16):
trouble.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So of course, but they never called you as the
parent, never, they never.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So of course they never called you as the parents.
They never called him.
So they might have called him,but he didn't tell me.
So me and him are very close,so he calls me before he calls
his dad.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So how did that make you feel about the police as a
parent?
Knowing that the police hascontacted your 16 year old son
about being with somebody underage and never contacted you as
the parent, how did that makeyou feel towards the police?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I felt like it was unjustly and I felt like they
were, you know, doing somethings underhanded.
I didn't feel like they handledthis whole situation right,
because he was a minor still,even though he wasn't living
with me, but I would haveappreciated them being able to
(11:20):
talk to me first.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But they didn't.
So what was your relationshipwith?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
the police from that point on Untrusting, Even though
my son said that they did notinterrogate him and they were
nice about it, I just I didn'ttrust the situation and we did
get a lawyer behind it and hewas able to fight it Because the
girl that wasn't the first timeshe had encounters like that.
(11:56):
How old was she?
13.
?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
probably see 13.
Dr Adrian Clark, a psychiatrist, give some pointers and
examples of how and when to talkto children about the police
and especially black children,and the talk that they should
have, and she recommends thatparents should start talking
with their children by the ageof six.
(12:23):
These are some of the thingsshe say for school-aged children
, that's, you know, going tokindergarten, first grade
through sixth grade.
All those good things givedetails but not information that
might be above the languagethat they're able to comprehend.
Concepts that are difficult tounderstand are words like
discrimination and racialinjustice.
(12:43):
Instead, she says, mention therole police officers play and
the benefits of police officers,but help them to understand
that sometimes policeinteractions don't always go
that way and that sometimespeople are hurt.
Younger adolescents, startingaround 10 or 11 years old, you
should start talking aboutconcepts such as discrimination
(13:05):
and racial injustice usinghistorical examples.
You should explain theinequities that you might see in
the criminal justice system,such as the rate at which black
men are sentenced andincarcerated, but also do it in
an age appropriate way for olderadolescents, 14 years and above
(13:25):
.
It says help teens, especiallyblack teens, understand that
implicit bias may cause policeofficers to view them as older
and more aggressive than theirwhite peers, share research with
them to help them explain thisand other disparities, because,
even though they feel like that,they're a child, they're not
(13:47):
viewed that way by police andyou have to explain to them that
they're viewed as a threat, andon our part, we have to make
people more aware that ourchildren are children just like
their children, that ourchildren are children just like
their children, and that weexpect for our children to be
treated fairly, just like youwould treat your children.
(14:08):
So I hope that I've broughtsome type of awareness to
everyone about the ages in whichyou start talking about the
police to your children, and Ihope that some of these stories
that were shared will helpsomeone else and people will see
similarities in their ownsituations to help bring
awareness to others.
I will see you after theholidays.
(14:29):
I thank you for tuning in and,as always, I want you to
experience exquisite cranialrepertoire with me and I will
see you in 2021.
Bye with me and I will see youin 2021.
Bye, advertise with BlondeIntelligence, where our
listeners experience exquisitecranial repertoire.
Blonde Intelligence is a newpodcast and video channel
(14:52):
featuring entertainment, musicalartists, producers,
entrepreneurs, as well asdiscussions on social topics,
making the Blonde Intelligenceplatform suitable for a wide
variety of product ad typesVideo, instagram, tv, youtube
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