Good Morning Podcasters! Episodes 17-20

This content is repurposed from episodes of Good Morning Podcasters! Episodes 17-20. Good Morning Podcasters (GMP) explores the world of podcasting with a specific focus on marketing, public relations, and social media as they relate to content creation. GMP is hosted by Fuzz Martin. Good Morning Podcasters! Good Morning Podcasters and Podcasting Sucks!: All rights reserved to Snoring Dog Media, LLC. & Jeff Townsend Media, LLC.

Episode Transcript

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Oh hi everybody, this is aJeff Townty Media protection right. Have you
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I'm going to share some episodes ofGood Morning Podcasters. Yes, that's right,

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the return of Good Morning Podcasters.Fuzz Martin and I purchased the rights
to that and podcasting sucks, Sotoday I'll be sharing some episodes of Fuzz
Martin's Good Morning Podcasters with you.This is great information. You could learn
a lot from it to learn moreabout good Morning Podcasters dot com. Let's
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Today we're talking about Twitter two pointzero and Elon's new check marks.
Thanks for tuning, in to GoodMorning Podcasters. I am your host,
Fuzz Martin, and just about eachday we talk about marketing, advertising,
PR and social media topics as theyrelate to the world of podcasting. I

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say just about because I'm finding outrunning a daily podcast is a grind and
I also run a business. Forinstance, I did not get the chance
to release Thursday's episode on Hyperlocal Podcastingbecause on Wednesday night, I was at
a Hyperlocal charity event that Epic hadsponsored, and I didn't have enough time

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in the day to get it intoa place that didn't sound like I was
rushing it. So we'll save thatepisode for next week. Quality over quantity
Today, however, in this theseventeenth episode of Good Morning Podcasters two point
zero, we're going to talk aboutTwitter two point zero as they're calling it

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and their new check Marks program.Now, just as a note, I'm
recording this episode the night before itairs, and obviously it's not live.
Elon Musk mentioned on Friday November twentyfifth that the new Twitter Blue would be
ready to release on Friday December two, or at least tentatively. There's a
chance that he's tweeted in between.When I'm recording this and when it's published

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that something has changed. So ifthat happens, I will update this episode.
So here we go. Let's talkabout Twitter two point zero. In
a post on Twitter's blog on Thursdaycalled Twitter two point zero are continued commitment
to the public conversation. Twitter reemphasizedits mission of promoting and protecting and this

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is a quote promoting and protecting thepublic conversation and being the town square of
the Internet. They laid out someassurances for Twitter users. They said that
their policies haven't changed and that they'regoing to rely more heavily on de amplification
of content that is problematic instead ofremoving users. They said, quote freedom

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of speech, not freedom of reach, which to me is if you're reducing
reach, isn't that the same astheir whole freedom of speech point? Like,
is it okay to say people whohave this thought aren't going to get
the reach, but people who havethis thought are versus we're going to remove
people who think this way and notpeople who think that way. Is there

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any difference between removing people and reducingtheir reach to nothing? They said their
trust and Safety team is continuing tokeep the platforms safe from hateful content,
abusive behavior, and violation of anyTwitter rules. They reassured us that the
team remains strong and well resourced,and that they're using automatic detection. They

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said they will ensure that content moderatorswill have guidance to find and address violative
content when urgent events manifest on theplatform. They said they will improve their
policies and processes to adapt and identifyand diffuse threats, again saying that they're
going to reduce impressions of violative content, and they said they're going to make

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mistakes and learn from them. Oneof the other big things they spoke about
in the article was that they arenow embracing public testing and they believe that
just putting new stuff out in theopen helps them move faster and gather feedback
in real time. And finally,and this is a direct quote, we
remain committed to providing a safe,inclusive, entertaining, and informative experience for

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everyone. We will continue to betransparent as we move through this transition period,
and we will listen to you,the people who make Twitter what it
is, the town square of theInternet. I'll link to that full blog
post in the show notes. Ihave to say. While I know there's
a ton of people up in arms, and I have been one of them,
especially as a person whose agency hasclients that spend money on the platform,

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and brand safety is a real thing, whether you believe it or not,
I do like this approach. Ido not like a CEO, however,
that picks fights with advertisers on socialmedia. Imagine you're Tim Cook and
you're getting bullied on Twitter because you'renot spending enough money. It's pedantic,
it's entitled, and it's detrimental toboth Apple and Twitter that set. According

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to Musk's tweets, at least,it looks like the new Twitter and the
old Apple have made up. Butwe'll see what happens. And again,
it's hard to want to spend clientsmoney on Twitter when the CEO is being
an instigator. Anyway, as Isaid before, we'll see how this lays
out. I'm warming up to thechanges, but I'm not there yet.
So now let's talk about their newverification standards. They're supposed to be coming

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out today as this episode airs,per Musk's tweet on Friday, though he
did hedge with the word tentative.According to Musk, the new verification program
will have three different styles. Willsay there will be gold check marks for
companies, great check marks for government, and blue check marks for individuals,

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whether or not your celebrity. Allaccounts will be manually authenticated before the check
activates, and according to their website, users will have to be signed up
for Twitter for at least ninety daysbefore it's available to be verified. But
that said, a lot of badactors and a bunch of bot accounts have
been created a long time ago andare just sitting around collecting dust waiting to

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be activated. So I'm sure spendingup these accounts that are ninety plus days
old won't take much for those whowould like to do harm. But that's
me being a cynic. So willI get a check mark? Possibly?
Maybe just to try it out becauseI'm curious like a cat. I might
try it out for Good Morning podcasters. I'm wondering on my own account what

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hoops I'd have to jump through inorder to get a great check mark because
I am an elected official as atrustee of my local village. We'll see
again, As with anything, we'llsee how it goes. We'll adapt from
there. Thank you for listening toGood Morning Podcasters, links and such ats
Good Morning pod dot Com. Somehousekeeping. I try to go every single

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day this week, but we're goingto kick this baby back down to three
days per week at least through theholidays, just so that I don't wind
up in pod hell. I don'twant to be pod faded. However,
Jeff Townson and I will be recordingan episode of Podcasting Sucks this evening,
so you should be able to expectthat as a new episode on Saturday morning.

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Again. You can catch you everyepisode of both Good Morning Podcasters and
Podcasting Sucks at Good Morning pod dotCom. We'll talk to you again real
soon right here on Good Morning Podcasters. Good Morning Podcasters. If you were

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thinking of getting into Hive Social,it appears they're having some problems. Thanks
for tuning into Good Morning Podcasters.I'm your host, Fuzz Martin. I
was planning this morning to talk toyou about some of the new social media
platforms and what to expect out ofthem, but it looks like one in
particular is having some growing pains rightnow. The state of social media,

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it's kind of exciting with Elon Muskpurchasing Twitter a lot of people and sponsors
are concerned about the direction of theplatform, and some are looking for other
solutions. So now it feels abit like two thousand and six to two
thousand and eight when Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Blogger We're all coming onto

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the scene and started taking market sharefrom my space. There was a rush
to bring out all these new platformsand everyone was trying them out seeing what
they liked. It's kind of likethe Wild West a bit of social media.
Well. Today, in addition toFacebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok,
read It, etc. We nowhave masted on, post news,

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Hive, Social and probably some othersthat I'm not aware of yet. I've
tried mastedon, but it's kind ofhard to wrap your head around how to
use it or what server to join. For instance, a few months ago,
I had received an invite to thepodcast Index server and then decided to
sign on when everyone was talking aboutjumping ship off of Twitter. However,

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I don't know if the podcast indexpeople actually want me using that handle for
general use, So even though Isigned up, I haven't been Mastadon.
Kind of feels like we're crashing somegeeky kids party while his parents are out
of town and then us Twitter users, are you in there knocking over vases
and puking on the rug. I'mpretty sure the og Mastodon users who like

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it there don't like all the addedtraffic, and they especially don't like seeing
people like us trying to make mastadonturn into Twitter. Post News is a
really neat program. It's still verymuch in beta, but the fonts,
the layout, the way images aredisplayed, it's really nice and clean.
It makes you feel like you're readingthe New York Times or Washington Post while

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you're reading social media. With postyou can sign up for the beta and
they're letting people in every day,but they seem to be vetting users before
they let them onto the platform.There's no app for post news yet.
It's currently just a browser based site, though they do give you instructions on
how to download a Safari shortcut thatlooks like an app if you're an iPhone
user. But the one thing Ireally don't like currently about post news is

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that it doesn't give you notifications,so it lacks that interaction unless you're actually
going in and reviewing your own poststo see if anybody's liked or commented.
But again it's in beta. They'revery vocal about it being in beta.
And I think of the new platforms, Post News probably has the most potential,
and then there's hive Social. Iwant so much to like hive Social.

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It's colorful, it feels like anotherversion of Twitter, you know.
It's got that micro blog kind offeel to it. It does have an
app, it's still very much inits infancy stage. It's real easy to
find and like people on the app. However, hive Social recently had a
massive data leak, which is eithergoing to set them back greatly or kill

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the platform entirely. According to Gizmoto, has been forced to pull its servers
offline due to a data breach.Hive Social head seen one million plus users
growth in the span of one weekfollowing Musk's takeover of Twitter. Gizmoto pointed
to a German security blog called Zerforschung, which said, quote the issues we

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reported allow any attacker to access alldata, including private posts, private messages,
shared media, and even deleted directmessages. This also includes private email
addresses and phone numbers entered during login. Attackers can also overwrite data such as
posts owned by other users. Yikes. In response to that, High Social

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shut its servers down on Thursday,So if you're planning on signing up,
you might want to wait because youhave to because the servers are down,
But you also might want to reconsiderall together. I would delete my account,
but I can't get on the serverto delete my account, and according
to this, who knows if itactually would even be deleted. So it
appears those of us who are tryingthis out hugs High Social to death.

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We'll see if it turns back around. All of that aside, I think
it's good to experiment with new platformsas they come out. I think it's
also important for your brand that yousign up and claim your user names as
soon as you start hearing about thesenew platforms. It's a lot easier to
do that early on than to tryto claim your URL once somebody has already

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squatted on it. Again, theseare tips from two thousand and six fuzz
coming back. But again, sometimesstuff happens and your data leaks. If
you're using the same password on everyplatform, like consider first of all not
doing that, and second of all, consider changing your passwords everywhere. And
if you're using your personal cell phonenumber to sign up for these things.

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You might want to consider using GoogleVoice or some other third party phone number
system in order to keep yourself fromleaking your personal phone number out. I'll
link to the Gizmodo and their Fourshengarticles in the show notes. Thank you
for listening to Good Morning Podcasters Again. I'm going to be stepping back the

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frequency of the show too, aboutthree times per week, as I focus
on quality not quantity, and alsofocus on some of the other responsibilities in
my life. Find all the episodeson good morningpod dot com and i'll talk
to you in a couple of days. Right here on Good Morning Podcasters.

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Good Morning Podcasters. This morning,I'm going to give you a description of
my transcription process. Welcome to thisthe nineteenth episode of the all new Good
Morning Podcasters. I am Fuzz Martin, and I appreciate you listening or reading.

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Let's talk about transcriptions. Actually,let's start with why we should create
transcriptions for our podcasts. First andforemost, it's the right thing to do.
Not everyone can hear. Obviously,transcribing your show instantly makes your show
more accessible to people with hearing loss, just like the reverse where audio versions

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of a written article help those withvisual impairments. And just like most things
in the world, if you dothe right thing, you will be rewarded
Google and other search engines, whichreally means being can read the text from
your transcriptions, and when it's donecorrectly, it will help you in the

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search engine rankings. So first doit for the people, and then do
it for your show. Now let'stalk about what software is out there for
you to use. There's a tonof different transcription softwares, and I'm not
going to go through every single oneof them gonna tell you which one you
should use. I'll tell you whichone I'm using and which ones I have
used, but I'm gonna let youmake the decision on your own. Really,

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it comes down to you should bedoing transcriptions, but there's a million
different ways to get there. Thisscript is very well respected. You also
get their audio editor, their audiograms, and a whole lot more. I
believe it's twelve dollars per month ifyou build it annually. I used it
for a bit, but then Istopped when I got a new MacBook with

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an M one processor, and fora while they were incompatible with that.
I think they're compatible now I'm almostninety nine percent positive. They're compatible now,
but it wasn't for a bit,and that threw a wrench into my
workflow. I've heard good things aboutREV, but it's pricy. It costs
twenty five cents per minute, whichfor a twenty minute podcast is five dollars.

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And if you're doing four twenty minutepodcasts a month, you're looking at
twenty dollars. And then there areother options out there for transcriptions that will
cost you less. So while Itried REV and I think the quality is
good, I don't think the priceis there foremost podcasters. I've also heard
good things about Podden dot io.That's nine dollars a month that will get

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you two hours of transcriptions, ornineteen dollars a month for up to eight
hours of transcriptions. I have notused it, but I've seen people like
Danny Brown of podchat say nice thingsabout that. So what do I use?
I use otter dot Ai. Sootter has a free version. It's
not really conducive to doing a podcastbecause the free version requires that you transcribe

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in real time. You can't uploada file. You get like five uploads
when you start your free version.But if you want to do that regularly,
you need the pro version. Sothe pro version costs eight dollars and
thirty three cents month. When youbuild annually, it jumps up significantly,
like fifty one percent if you don'tbuy annually, so it's sixteen ninety nine

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per month if you buy month tomonth, but eight thirty three per month
averaged out if you bill an annually. With the pro version, you can
import your show's audio or video files. It gives you twelve hundred minutes per
month at that eight dollars and thirtythree dollars per month level. The editor
is super easy to use. Youcan add in different kind of odd words

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into its library so that it getsthe spelling right every time. If you
have regular or rotating guests on yourshow, it will recognize their voices and
put their name with it automatically.You don't have to go in and update
that once you've done it once.So if you have a guest that's on
one week and then doesn't come backfor a few episodes, and then they
do come back, Otter will recognizetheir voice and attach their name inside your

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transcript. It's really cool. Soagain, many different platforms for transcribing podcast
and I didn't even scratch the surface, but I prefer Otter and I really
liked the script. So what's myworkflow for adding transcripts to my show?
Well, after I finish editing,I'll upload my audio file to my host

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Captivate, and while that's uploading,I'll open up otter dot Ai and start
uploading the audio there Concurrently, whilethose are both uploading, which only takes
a few minutes because this show ispretty short, I finished my show notes
and add in my research links andCaptivate. Then I toggle back to Otter.
When the transcript is done, I'llclick the edit button and I'll go

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through make any updates to the transcript, any errors and things that I see.
It's not a human transcribing it,so it gets you pretty close.
But I would say it takes meabout five to ten minutes worth of reading
and making updates for a ten tofifteen minute podcast. Then I export the
transcript as text. From there,I past the transcript into the transcript section

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of my host on a new episodelink, and then I schedule my episode.
Once I do that, I openup squarespace, which this website's on
Squarespace I'll open up squarespace put togethermy blog post. Once the blog post
is ready, I'll add in whatis called an accordion block to the site

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and then I'll call the block transcriptand I'll paste the copy into the body
of the accordion. So now whenyou go to good Morning pod dot com,
you click on an episode, ifyou scroll to the bottom, you'll
see the word transcript. You clickon that and it will expand to show
you the full transcript. On fifteenminutes with Fuzz, which is a hyperlocal
podcast that I do, i usepodcast page dot io and they've got a

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handy transcript field that automatically pulls infrom the RSS feed through Captivate. So
it's a nice automated little feature whereevery episode that posts the transcript is automatically
getting posted to the website, whichreally streamlines the process. And then on
my wife's podcasts page, which isa WordPress website at smart Inwi dot com,

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I've added an advanced custom field justfor transcripts into each blog post.
So we'll create her blog post andthen at the bottom there's an extra field
called transcript. I'll paste that inthere. That's set up as an accordion
field too, So once that blogpost gets published, it's on there as
transcript. You click on that andit expands that accordion so people can read

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it. Just a word of advice, though, when you're adding a transcript
to your website, you could addit as an I frame embed. A
lot of the different transcription services offerthis I frame embed. However, I
don't like this for two reasons.One, an I frame is not going
to get searched by Google. Googleactually says we recommend you avoid the use

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of iframes to display content, soautomatically you're taking away from that SEO bump
that you could get, and sinceGoogle said not to do it, there's
no room for interpretation there. NumberTwo, if you ever decide to cancel
your transcription service, you're going tohave a whole bunch of blog posts with
broken embedded iframes. And I knowI said too, but here's a third.

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With an embedded transcript, you're oftennot able to make updates to the
design or layout of the content.So if you're looking to make your site
more accessible, that might mean increasingthe font size or changing the font style.
And that's easy if the content isactual text on your website. But
if you're embedding from another site,it makes it really hard to do without

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some website trickery. So again,it's best to put that copy right onto
your site and let it do itsown work. So again, I put
my transcripts into two different places.One in the area that allows on my
host, so it gets into myRSS feed. Not all hosts have this
feature yet, but if you haveone, I recommend you take advantage of

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it. And then two I putit on my website blog post that accompanies
each of these episodes. That'll doit for another episode of the all New
Good Morning Podcasters. If you havea different way of doing transcripts, I'd
love to hear your thoughts. Hitme up on Twitter at GM podcasters,

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or you can message me on Instagramat good Morning pod You can find this
show and it's transcript at good morningpoddot com. And since you're a podcaster
and this is a podcast about podcastingfour podcasters, I assume that you know
where to find podcasts and how tosubscribe to them. So thank you at
advance, and we'll talk to youagain on Friday, right here on Good

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Morning Podcasters. Good Morning Podcasters,let's talk about local podcasting. My name
is Fuzz Martin, and this isGood Morning Podcasters, a show about marketing,

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advertising, social media, and publicrelations topics as they relate to podcasters,
and we try to make it asactionable as possible because nobody likes a
guru. Let's talk today about localpodcasting, or specifically hyperlocal podcasting. So
what is hyperlocal podcasting. Well,it's a show that's focused on a very

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small geography. It could be ashow that's focused on all sorts of things
within that geography, So it's notnecessarily focused on talking about the geography.
It could be focused on things withinthat. So maybe it's news, politics,
the local music scene, food,hospitality and travel, nonprofit organizations or

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charities, businesses in the area,interesting people, attractions, entertainment, the
art scene, specific local industry.It could be any of those things and
so much more. There's no realgeographical limit either to being hyperlocal. It
doesn't mean that it has to bea certain size or diameter. It could

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be a city, a region,a smaller municipality, something in that nature.
I like to think of hyper andhyperlocal as meaning that the listeners know
that the show is focused on them, so it could be hyperlocal to something
like the entire tri state area,but those listening outside of the area would

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just be observers outside the fish bowland not any focus of the show.
The people inside that fish bowl wouldknow that this show is about them and
their community. Makes sense. Forinstance, I host a show called fifteen
Minutes with Fuzz. It's solely focusedon positive people, places, and things

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in and around Washington County, Wisconsin. Washington County only has a population of
one hundred thirty seven thousand, onehundred and seventy five people, and I
want each of them who listen tofeel like the show is for them.
I've had guests asked me why Idon't promote it to all of Wisconsin,
or at least to all of southeasternWisconsin. Again, going back, I

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want my listeners to know that Iam focused on them and what they hear
is going to be meaningful within theircommunity, not a broad based entertainment piece.
There are some cool positives that comewith running a hyperlocal show. So
people who are guests on the showare very likely to share it with their
friends and family with the community.They're likely to share it on Facebook.

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They're likely to tell people about itat the grocery store, or at work,
or while they're getting coffee at thelocal coffee shop. People who don't
typically listen to podcasts will find away to tune in to hear that,
whether it's on your web browser.That's what I've found a lot is that
people listen through a web browser ifthey're not typically podcast listeners. But even

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in this year's podcast Spotify Rapped,I had twenty five people whose main show
that they listen to is fifteen Minuteswith Fuzz. In comparison, James Cridlin
from pod news Daily had said thatseven people had said his podcast was their
number one podcast according to Spotify Rapped. So when you get into the hyperlocal

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place, it's really easy to getin front of people who don't listen to
a lot of podcasts. The advertisersthat you can pitch as a hyperlocal podcaster
become very clear. All you haveto do is drive around your community and
see who you'd think would be agood fit, and you can actually get
out of your car, or youcould walk and walk into the store or

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walk into that business and talk toa real person about why they should advertise
on your podcast and can reach out, make your offer, show them the
value. It's very much like localradio advertising, except you don't have a
bunch of overhead, so you cankeep your prices lower and you get all

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those funds. There's not a lotof overhead to give out other than your
podcast hosting fee and all of thiscool equipment that you can buy. Another
positive about doing a hyperlocal podcast isthat you'll become known for what you do.
Like people will know you in yourcommunity that will say, oh,
your fuzz, you do that podcastabout positive things in Washington County. Oh

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you're Jack. You do a showabout country music in Evansville, Indiana.
You can be well known for that. And also it's very easy to advertise
your show, so not just findingadvertisers, but actually advertising out. You
know, if you're doing a hyperlocalshow about something in your community, it's
really easy to run some Facebook adsor Instagram ads in your local market.

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And people are always interested in hearingabout those things that are going on in
their area. And I will tellyou they're more likely to click on a
podcast about something going on in theirarea than they are about so many other
things. There are, though,some negatives about hyperlocal podcasting one, your
local listening population is finite. Thisisn't a huge deal if your hyperlocal is

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like Manhattan, but when it's PodunkUSA, don't expect a million listeners per
episode. You might even consider lessthan a hundred a success. But if
you're connecting with people within that community, it will be successful. And since
your audience reach is going to beso much lower, it's going to be

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harder to do things like CPM advertisingwhere you're getting, you know, cost
per millie cost per a thousand listeners. It's going to be hard to price
your podcast that way. But ifyou have a popular show about an area,
places like banks and real estate brokerswho can make a lot of money
off of one sale might have someopportunities for you. It's not as scalable

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as something like a broader reach,global show, but you can create some
real relationships. A third thing innegatives about hyperlocal podcasting, if you piss
somebody off, everybody's going to knowabout it. As they say on the
hit Canadian TV show Letterkenny bad Gastravels fast in a small town. And

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finally, you know you're likely notgoing to see big numbers with a hyperlocal
podcast again, unless you're your hyperlocalis a big city. However, when
people do find your show, they'remore likely to listen to your back catalog
and find out what you talked aboutthat they're familiar with and that is important

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to them. If you have ahyperlocal show and you want to tell me
some of the things that work foryou, send me an email fuzz ad
good morningpod dot com. Or ifyou're looking to do a hyperlocal show and
you want my opinion, send mean email again fuzz at good morningpod dot
com and we can share some ideas. Thanks for listening to Good Morning Podcasters.

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Get in touch by going to goodmorningpod dot com. We've got a
new episode of Podcasting Sucks with JeffTownsend tomorrow morning. If you're listening on
the Friday that this came out,Podcasting Sucks comes out Saturday mornings right here
on the Good Morning Podcasters RSS feed. Otherwise, you can find all of
the episodes for Good Morning Podcasters atgood morningpod dot com, and we will

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talk to you again tomorrow morning righthere on Good Morning Podcasters. Thanks for
listening, Sad, thanks for listening, and thanks for telling a friend.

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But more importantly, thank you forsupporting independent content creators. If you're enjoying
the podcast or like the work we'redoing in the indie podcaster community, I
ask you to tell just one fellowcontent creator that hasn't heard of this podcast
or the work we're doing, andshare it with them. But more importantly,
I hope you continue with me onthis journey as the indie podcaster.

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Keep being you, keep being great, And the question is do I stay
here? Will you be back?Are you gonna come back? Will you

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be back? Are you coming back? Jeff Counting Media, Ben