June 19, 2023 • 36 mins
It's back! We are doing our first ever re-release of a very popular series of episodes from our past. Join Michelle, Kyle & Russ as we rip through a very exciting album tournament. Kyle picked 8 albums for the tournament and so did Russ, bringing the grand total of albums to 16. Each week, Kyle & Russ state their case for why they're cjosen album should win, then Michelle picked the winner.
Some music giants are among those chosen for battle: Aerosmith, Beach Boys, Carole King, Eminem, Fleetwood Mac, Garth Brooks, Guns N' Roses, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, Michael Jackson, Pearl Jam, Pink Floyd, Prince, Silversun Pickups, The Weeknd and more square up over the course of the tournament.
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Some music giants are among those chosen for battle: Aerosmith, Beach Boys, Carole King, Eminem, Fleetwood Mac, Garth Brooks, Guns N' Roses, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, Michael Jackson, Pearl Jam, Pink Floyd, Prince, Silversun Pickups, The Weeknd and more square up over the course of the tournament.
Settle in, listen up and check out these bonus episodes over the next 16 weeks! It's the first re-release, trip down memory lane with your favorite podcast, the Infectious Grove Podcast!
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It's bonus an extra episode number two. This is the second round of the
Infects Group podcast album Tournament, whichwe explained last time if you listen to
the first one. Kyle and Ipicked eight albums each that we like,
and so this is very unscientific.This is just something we're doing to have
fun, to give people extra contentright now. So each week we're going
to defend one album apiece and Michellewill hear both sides of the argument.
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She has listened to both both records, and then she will make a final
ruling in one album will pass onin the tournament. Last week, in
the first round, we had ErrolSmith versus Carol King, with Carol King's
Tapestry album coming out the winner,so that album is safe until episode nine.
This week's matchup is pretty interesting,to say the least. It's an
album that's brand spanking new against analbum that's back from the eighties. So
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we have Eminem's Music to Be MurderedBy, which came out in January of
this year surprise release actually, andversus Guns and Rose's first album Appetite for
Destruction, which came out a wayback in nineteen eighty seven. So without
further Ado, Let's jump right intoit, Kyle talk to us about music
to being murdered by Oh Man.It is, but it's one of my
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favorite Eminem albums to date. Oneof the reasons I like it so much
is because of it being a surpriseit totally. We were stuck with some
not so great Eminem for a whilethere, and all of a sudden,
this album came out and boom,we were back to what I feel is
like like the old Eminem, likewhere he didn't didn't give a shit,
he was gonna say whatever he wantedto say, he didn't care who he
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offended. He was. He wasback to whine like caused controversy, which
is his almost his entire career isbuilt off of that. So yeah,
he definitely went through a dip there. I think everybody that I know,
including an especially friend of the showJoe, doesn't like Relapse and then a
couple of things that came after that, so he definitely took a dip.
What's some of your favorite tracks offof this new one? I don't even
know if I have. The onlyone I'm really not a huge fan of
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is the song that has Young mA on it. Which I don't remember
the title of um but it justfeels out of place to me as far
as like being like the flow ofthe entire album. It doesn't doesn't feel
like it. It belongs on thealbum very first track. Yes, unaccommodating.
So I'll give you some of mythoughts on it here because I famously
so far, if you listen tothe podcast so far, I hadn't got
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around to listening to this entire albumyet, so obviously I made a focus
to do that by the time werecorded this. And my opinion on the
record is when it's strong, it'sstrong, like I would agree with when
the tracks, the strong tracks areas good or better than anything Eminem's done
previously. However, for me,there were a lot of missus on the
record. There were there were alot more than one track that didn't that
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don't quite go with it. Someof the ones I noted were into deep
Little Engine, y'all gonna learn.I think that might be the one you
were talking about. I'm not sure, but and yeah, yeah, I
didn't like that very much. Andfor an album that's around sixty minutes like,
that's a whole lot of missus forme. You know, one,
two, three, four, fourtracks for an album that's around sixty minutes.
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That's that's a whole lot of says, at least for me. But
that's the tracks that were strong.I thought were very, very very strong.
Like I said, it's four outof I'm not even actually sure how
many tracks are. I did makesure to look at the length of it,
and I know it's just over sixtyminutes long. So but this this
is your time, Kyle talking up. What else is there to like about
the record? It's one of thefew records that I feel that well,
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I should say, a few raprecords that I could listen to all the
way through. Like I literally willjust start at one, even though it's
my least favorite song on the album. I started one, and I can
literally just listen to the entire thingall the way through. And I don't
know, I just I got that. I got the feeling that when I
listened to that record the first timeis the same kind of feeling I got
when like the Marshall's Mother Marshall MothersLP came out, or I actually I
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liked the Kama Kaze album. Alot of people did not like that album,
but I thought that he was gettingon track back to coming back to
what he we all knew him tobe previously. And uh, then he
went off the radar for a whileand came back with music to be murdered
by. And I don't know,it's it's just album. And I liked
it, not only because it wasa surprise and no one really knew what
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was happening, but it's also abit of a concept album, even though
kind of I guess because of thewhole Alfred Hitchcock thing. Sure, I
liked Kamikaze myself as well, andand like I say, with this record,
when he's on, I totally getwhat you're saying, like it does
remind me of classic Eminem. However, it just there were too many misses
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on it for me. I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't say it's a
bad record by any stretch. Andit's not a bad Eminem album. I
mean it's not you know, RelapseTerritory, which again everybody friend of the
show especially doesn't like Relapse, butit's it's not at all a bad record
by a stretch of the imagination.But I just for me, there were
not enough of the stronger tracks tokeep carrying it now, Michelle, I
know last week he made a bunchof notes on each one. Do you
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want to share your notes on eminemnow or do you want me to make
a case for Appetite and then doyour notes for both. I would like
to do all of my notes atthe end. Okay, cool, Well
we can do that now and goingforward. So for me with Appetite for
Destruction, I mean, it's it'sto monster. It's considered by many to
be the greatest rock debut record evermade. For me that as soon as
you put that record on and straightthrough it sounds like Los Angeles in nineteen
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eighty seven. Jungle, in myopinion, is in the discussion for best
opening track of all time, likegets up there with you know what you
want to be starting something and itsmells like teen Spirit that territory as far
as opening tracks, and the recordjust doesn't let up from there. It's
so easy night Training, mister Brownstone, Like everything all in a row just
is a picture of what nineteen eightyseven Los Angeles sounded like in where the
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mind frame of all five members ofthe band was at that time. By
the time you reach the middle ofthe record. I think Paradise City is
just an insane track to put inthe middle of the record. It really
shows off like what they're capable ofas far as songwriting goes, like with
the changes in the bridge and theoutro and everything. Sweet Child of Mind
is easily one of the biggest poprock songs of all time. Like you
know, it's just a monster,monster single that every man, woman and
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child on earth knows. Sweet Childof Mind. The song structure there is
just incredible. The the misses forme on the record come in in the
form of think about You and anythingGoes. Think about You, in my
opinion, is the worst lyrics Axlesever written. They're just or I don't
even know actually if it was Axelor is he that wrote the lyrics,
But I just near the end ofthe song he says think about you,
and I want to make sure Idon't overestimate this, but I think he
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says that about seven thousand times.You know, if you if you're just
out of things to say at thatpoint, just don't keep saying thing about
you, oh, over and over, you know, And then anything Goes
for Me is a big miss becauseit's very sophomoric lyrically compared to the rest
of the record, Like when youtake a song like Jungle, which is
literally being like, don't come toLos Angeles, so we're gonna fuck you
up, and then six or sevensongs later you have this sophomore Brittany Fox
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trickster sounding song about you know,sex is great. That's that's a bummer
for me. It's a big misson the record, the song You're Crazy.
There's actually a much better version ofthat song that's a more laid back
acoustic version of it on the albumafter this, But the version that's on
Appetite fits the attitude and style ofAppetite, So I'm okay with it,
Like I like the other version ofyour Crazy better, but when I'm listening
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to Appetite it makes sense of thatversion is on there. So and then
as far as how the record roundsout, Rocket Queen I think is a
brilliant closer. It really allows theband to stretch out kind of like Paradise
City did. At the midpoint.It shows again what they're capable of,
like when it really reaches the crescendoat the end and it goes into like
the completely different groove. Then thesong is in the album, the album
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as a whole, and the songin particular has had up till that point
where it shifts scars with the ICEU stand and you know, it goes
into that whole melodic breakdown, andthen the album really just leaves you kind
of like drifts off at the veryend of that cut, you know,
Like I say, I think fora band to come out with that strong
of an album on their first try, it's not any surprise that that band
followed up that record with something completelydifferent than GNR Lives and then a thirty
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track monster with usual illusion. Sothat's really the best case I can make
for it. I'm certain that theGNR online community is extremely passionate, and
I'm certain that many many people arelike, but you didn't say this,
and you didn't say this, ButI feel like I made as strong of
a concise cases I can for appetitefor destruction. So having said that,
what do you want to start?Go roll back to eminem and start with
your thoughts. Michelle. Sure,so, I will say, going into
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this um ahead, listen to Eminemmusic to be murdered by several times and
the GNR Fptite for Destruction. I'veheard all or most of the songs,
but just not from front to backsort of standpoint or sit down and listen
to a record. I'm sorry notto interrupt, I just I was wondering
how that would affect your review ofthe songs, because like, I'm certain
you've heard Sweet Child of Mine amillion times in your life, but you've
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never actually heard it as track ninein a row of that record, you
know what I mean, right?So I was curious, yeah, going
into it, like I had toput more effort into the g n R,
like to be like I already hadmental notes for Eminem, like I've
just been listening to us since itcame out, and so like I already
knew so for Eminem. The biggestdownfall that I have with this record,
which is most of Eminem's records tobegin with, is I'm not a fan
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of the skits. I'm not afan of the outros. I'm not a
fan of the delete ups and thefunny and the prank calls on his other
records. Like it's just it's notmy jam. I didn't come here for
a comedy album, Like just playthe music So that's so funny. It's
because that's I feel like a lotof people are going to disagree with you
about that. Well, I don'tknow what I was going to say.
I was gonna say, I wouldn'tsay that that's a drawing point to a
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lot of records, a lot ofrap records in particular, but that is
a very popular part of a lotof rap records, like going back to
like the twenty dollars sack pyramid onthe Chronic and the one on the Red
Light District by Luda that we love, and and and the eminem like the
old Paul Berman's gets and Ken Caneffand all that. So that's just funny
that that's like you're You're probably oneof a handful of people who is rolling
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their eyes when that happens, whereaseverybody else is like, oh, you're
dumps, you know. So it'sit's just interesting. It's it's one of
the many things if you look atthe Facebook page and the interaction that we're
getting on these episodes, like youbeing the wildcard is the interesting thing about
this, you know, And that'sthat's funny. You go and point out
like one big thing that you don'tlike about the record that like everybody else
would like. You know, it'salso to the point where like it makes
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me mad when they come on,don't even know, I feel like it
interrupts the groove of the record.I'm so sorry, side no again.
I don't mean to interrupt you.But when I put it on today,
I didn't realize that I had Spotifyon shuffle. So it played the first
track of the record, and thenit played and then like three or four
tracks later, it played a skitand then something that was and I was
like, well, that's the mostdisjointed changeover from a skit I've ever heard,
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you know, And then I realized. I was like, wait a
minute, so I had to listen. I was actually didn't know how many
songs I had listened to, soI went back and took it off shuffle
and listened to it straight through again, and it made more sense. Yeah,
that'll get you. I overall thisrecord, I love it. There's
a couple songs on there that I'mnot like, I'm not a huge fan
of, but it doesn't it doesn'truin the record for me. Like I
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don't skip it when it comes on, Like I let it play. There's
other songs on the record that aremy jam you know, Godzilla, this
is a single on it and itfrom the second I heard it, I
was like, yes, like thisis for me. I also got introduced
to Anderson Pack. That's all yousay. He's on that song. Yeah,
he's on the song lock it Up. I love that song and I
love him on that song, umto the point where it like almost makes
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me almost makes me want to researchother things he's done. I close,
but no, Cigar, I justhaven't yet. We need to. We
need to make sure to hashtag himin this episode on the off chance they
hey'll see the tweet, like youneed to know that you came so close
to the shelf, caring so close. I also love that Skylar Gray's on
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it again and then he teams upwith Ed Shearon again. I feel like
those are always solid cut with eminemthe Darkness about the Las Vegas shooting gives
me chills when I listened to it, and I will that was one of
the ones that I was like,dude, when you're on you're on Yeah,
and in Darkness is absolutely one ofthose tracks. Yeah, so I
know that it does. Like Isaid, The biggest downfall for any eminem
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record, not even just this one, is the skits, and I knew
that going into it. But otherthan that, there wasn't really there's not
really a song on there where Iautomatically skip it, which if anybody's listened
to is it on Ama n Ignitethe fun song? Which one is?
It gets better? No, that'son some nights. It's the only bad
song on some nights. Yeah,So some nights is a fire record from
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top to bottom, except for itgets better, and it literally makes me
angry when it comes on, likeI have to if I have to run
across the room and skip the song, not only not only because it's a
bad song, but the title ofthe song is a lot. It does
not get better. Yeah, itdoes not get better at any point in
that song. From from the topof that song to the end, it
never gets better. It's just startsout bad. It's better when it ends.
Yeah maybe, Okay, Well thereyou go. So there's not any
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of those songs on here that Iam like, dope skip like I I've
very often put this record on fromfront to back and have had no problems
like and that says a lot forme because I usually get bored really easily
with putting on the whole album byan artist. Um, I usually get
bored in the middle of it.You're gonna do it a whole lot during
this tournament, that's for sure.Step Dad is well, it's not my
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favorite. I don't find myself skippingit when it comes on, except for
the skit, which I don't carefor. It's I would say step Dad
is probab probably my least favorite songon the record. And also, are
you trying to get me to notpick your record? He's like, I
heard you didn't like that song.No, because I like this on a
line you mentioned in the past.I can't. I don't. I can't
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listen to that song. I'm like, well, I wanted to know why
it's something I can't listen to it. Um, it's just you love it
so much, and I just don'tsee what there is that is so phenomenal
about that one track. I guessI should say that. And I did
write down my favorite line, whichis in accommodating not my favorite line on
the record. It was one thatstood out to me today and like I
never heard it before. Um,like I heard it but I never heard
it which was not uncommodating. Um, which is the one you don't like?
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He says, call us liquid plumberbecause even dre now ready, Yeah,
I appreciate you. I appreciate youexplaining that for the rest of us,
as if we didn't understand it theway you didn't. I ran it
back like three times. Let merephrase what I said earlier. I the
part of I don't like about thatsong is young Amy's part, and I'm
a fan of hers individually, buton that song, she does not fit
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into what's happening. And then assues he gets on it, it becomes
a way way, way, wayway, a better song. Yeah,
I do agree with that. Um. The first time I listened to it,
I was like, what is happening? Is this just more of the
introduction? And then he comes onand now I've learned to like it.
I don't. It's not it's myfarm out, my favorite, but I
learned to like it overall. Gotcha, what kind of notes do you have
for appetite? So listening my firstfront to back, and I really did
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enjoy it. There were a coupleof songs on there that was not my
jam, but overall. Um,I was actually surprised that all the majority
of the songs that I do knowfrom Guns N' Roses that I like are
all on the same record. Also, there's a song with my name on
it. So yeah, it's nota happy song though it's not. It's
not a very a very caplimentary songtoward uh now, to my knowledge,
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it's not about you, Michelle,but oh man, they it's not a
good person. I mean, Ichoose to overlook that. I mean,
anything with my name in it itis good by me. It's not.
It's not exactly the Beatles singing Michelle, that's for sure. It is not.
I did notice that they come swingingwith the first song, Welcome to
the Jungle. Act just is likeand I did not know this, which
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I'm sure Russ has told me athousand times. I didn't. I said
this is their debut album. Huhyeah, I didn't. I didn't really
realize that. And uh so,like for that to be the first thing
you hear from this band is likeepic. Yeah, and it turned the
whole quote unquote hairband industry on.It's here like to this day, if
you talk to anybody and say youknow as G andir hairband like people will
cut you because appetite is like anentire step above like that whole what what
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that genre is perceived to be.Yeah, you know, there's probably a
lot of people listening to this.They are like, oh, that those
two records have nothing at all incommon with one another, which isn't true
because at one time they Axel Roseand M and M are both very very
like anti the man, like youknow, I don't care who I have
fend like fuck you all, likethat kind of thing. And oh yeah,
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absolutely, they both entered the musicindustry with huge smash records. We're
not talking about MMM's there some shittyLP. But in the same token,
he came and changed change rap foreveryone with that album. Yeah, absolutely,
And they did the same thing withTheirs. Yeah, and it just
gets better from there, because itdoes get better. It's so easy.
And Night Train Out to get Meis not my jam but mister Bennington and
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then I didn't mention that, butI'll get me he's not really my Jamie.
That that's funny. Yeah, I'ma sucker for key changes. And
I'm sure you didn't listen like thisintently, but there's a sweet ass key
change in that song for specifically forthe solo, and then it goes back.
I've seen them do that song manytimes live and literally my ears perk
up for that key change, andthen I'm like, we're back out to
Get Me. But it's a bigfan favorite. People love that song.
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So anyways, yeah, coming yeah, coming out of out to Get Me
goes into what Pardi said, henext, mister Brownston, what I was
gonna say about out to Get Me? And I don't know if it's just
if it's just a me thing,because I was like, I know all
these songs, so I'm like,welcome to the Jungle, Yes, it's
so easy, Yes, Night Train, Yes. And then I'm like,
I don't know the song, oh, mister Brownstone, Yes, very nice
city. Yes. So I don'tknow if it was just an interruption for
my brain was like, no,skip this, like you don't know this
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song because like the majority of thisrecord I know. And then Paradise City
is by far my favorite song onthis record, probably my favorite G and
R song of all time. Ithink, well, you're luck if you
ever go see him again, becausethey close with it every single time they
play ever, so you'll I'm goingto be awake until until the finale.
They come on on time now damn. Anyways, go on. I will
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say the second half of the recordwas my least favorite, and by the
end of it, I was like, I don't even know. And so
I wasn't just like sitting there staringat the wall listening to this. I
was like making notes and I wason my phone and I was like,
I don't even know when when onesong ended another song started, and I
don't know. Yeah, I justsaw your face. No, it's just
because I mean there's like wildly differentsongs and they half like sweet Child of
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Mind is incredibly different than either songon either side. Sure after that,
so like you're crazy, anything goesin racket, Queen, I was just
like this one long song and Ikind of I don't know, there was
nothing that that was thrilling to meenough to take notice. Yeah, which
is what I've been doing with Mwhen I did last week and then when
I did this week, is I'vebeen putting it on and doing other things.
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And then I'm like, wait,what was that? Like I run
it back like that lyric or wentout to get me came on and I
was like, wait, what songis this? I don't know it?
And then I looked into it,you know, like stuff like that,
and then after a see Child ofMine, I just kind of fell off
the rest of there was nothing remarkableabout the rest of the record for me.
Well, one of the three ofthose is in my like least favorite
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songs on the record, So Iget that. What were you going to
say? Anything goes sorry, Kyli? She prompted me for something else.
I'm sorry, go right ahead.That's like one of my two gripes with
that record is one is a lotof it does sound very similar to me,
and I kind of like Michelle gottowards the end of the record,
get lost in what song I'm listeningto? And then also every what most
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two will know of Guns N' Rosesis on this album. They have much
more to offer as a band asa whole. So like, if you
ask someone to put on the gunsrosa song, it's gonna be like one
of the five like huge smash songsthat are on this record. In particular,
now if it's me, but goon, it's the very first JUNR
song I'm gonna play for anybody I'mplaying on Earth ever is better from two
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thousand and eights underrated masterpiece Chinese Democracy. But yes, ninety percent of Earth
will put on you know, JungleParadise, Sweet Child of Mine. Here's
an interesting fact. I don't knowif either of you know two gigantic hits
from the two albums later use YourIllusion You Could Be Mine the lead What
was the lead single off of usYour Illusion and November Rain. We're both
written for this album and didn't makethe record. See, I could take
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out two songs from here easy andput those on here now Again, the
GNR online community is going to comedown to my head about this, so
I'm gonna probably get it wrong.But when Axel formed the new lineup of
GNR and ninety nine, he hadthem re record Appetite Like as an exercise
in learning the album, and theycut two songs and they added you Could
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Be Mined was one of them.So like. And another interesting thing is
if you look in the liner notesfor Appetite for Destruction, the course for
You Could Be Mine is printed inthe liner notes for Appetite for Destruction Like
at the bottom of the lyric page. It has the course for You Could
Be Mine is with your bitch slaprapping in your cocaintelling you get nothing done,
and that line is at the bottomof the liner notes for Appetite.
Interesting. Yeah, so, butI'm excited that they held off You can
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Be Mine for the first single offof Usier Illusion because it's a freaking monster
for first single for for those records. Yeah, that's another song I like,
You could Be Mine and better foranybody who doesn't know. Um,
there were a period of time whereRuss loved at my house and I heard
a lot of guns in Roses whoknew with against my Will along with Roger
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Waters. Hold On, hold on, hold on. This is a public
service platform, so I just wantto say you were not tied to a
chair and made to listen to GungerMills as it was just on in the
house against your will. Makes itsound like you couldn't just go to another
room or to a different level ofthe home or something. It's not that
big of a house, right,Yeah here, I never really I never
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had the sound system I have nowthere, so you could have easily got
away from the sound system that Ihad there if you really wanted to.
That is true. Do you gotany more? Well, I'll just say
I think that's why I am sofamiliar with it to begin with is because
of you and just our relationship andliving together for a little bit and uh
having to hear it and having tohear you talk about it, which that
sounded wrong, like that you mademe hear listen to you? True,
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I say I want to take aswing at that. I won't be managed.
Do you mean wanting to hear aboutit and wanting to hear rust talk
about it, hear rest preach theguns and roses. I have an affinity
for that for the album. Becauseof that, I feel like it's not
just something that is like I feellike there's a lot of eighties rock bands
where it's like I know one songby them and that's it doesn't really do
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much for me. But this isa little bit more. But I think
that might be I think that's allmy notes. That's yeah, that's all
my notes. Yeah I have Ihave my scores and whatnot. But yeah,
you want me to wait? Yeah, absolutely cool. All right,
Well, you've heard both sides ofthe argument. You've heard Michelle's thoughts on
both, which means it is timeto take a quick break. We'll take
a quick break, and then whenwe come back, coming right out of
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feeling I know how this is goingto go, but we'll find out in
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You've heard all the arguments, you'veheard all the edge, and so
we are going to move on toMichelle's final judgment real quick. As I
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Michelle, what is your final ruling? I know it last week when I
said what the matchup was going tobe for this week, I knew it
was going to be Eminem. SoI will say I hold on real quick.
I just want to say, you'reabout to speak to a lot of
very angry Gods and Roses fans,because the online g and our community is
how do I put this as nicelyas I can passionate, So you're about
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to speak to a whole lot ofvery angry guns and Roses fans. So
I hope you've prepared some sort ofaddress for them. I did not prepare
anything for them. I will saythat I enjoy listening to Appetite for Destruction
from top to bottom, from toback. Um, it was definitely the
last three tracks. Except for thelast three tracks. However, I fully
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expected to come into it not justnot being my jam. I feel like
for me from my purpose perspective,I sent my kid out to a fight.
I know he wasn't gonna win,but he did better in the fight
than I thought he was going to, you know, so I did give.
So I gave. I'm an mseven out of ten, and I
gave appetite five out of ten,which I gave Aerosmith a four out of
ten, So it's one better thanAarosmith. If that man, now,
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you're now you're just trying to makethat whole fan base. The Aerosmith fans
are gonna be like what. Idon't want to make anybody, man,
I will say, and I meanthis with all the love in my heart.
The GENR online fan base is aspecial bunch, so they're gonna they're
gonna be real, real man.Like I fully every single time I opened
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my GNR form, which, bythe way, when I say that,
just so you know, that's thename of the site. Is my GNR
form, Like, I don't meanmy GNR form. Uh. If you
go to my GNR forum dot com, that's the that's the site. When
this episode is posted on Friday,I fully expect to open my browser to
oh something like three hundred and sixtysix notifications every day from being tagged in
this discussion about who, why,how you said that woman was your friend?
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You know, I will say,you got up a good fight,
and you've been preparing me for thismoment since the moment I knew you're up.
It's two thousand and two to getthis dog ready for the fight.
However, Eminem is just except forrelapse, eminem is just my jam in
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general. And I will say,if it was Kamikazi, even Kamikaze against
Appetite, I bet Appetite would havewon. But I feel differently than you
and Cold well you specifically about thisrecord. I think it's just as good
as Marsha Mothers LP two too.Sure, yeah, it's not there as
good as the first one. No, no, the first one is untouchable.
But I just feel like it's it'sone of the best records he's put
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out in a while. The lasttwo were Was there one before Kama Kaze?
I feel like, wasn't there aweird one? Yes? Recovery Yeah,
that also not my jam? Sowell, there is there is relaps,
relapse, refill, and then recovery. Yeah. Why so many?
Well anyways, Kyle, last weekwas revival, Revival, revival last week.
Last week I went first. BecauseI won, Kyle, I will
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turn the floor over to you.What do you have to say in your
victory this week? I'm actually I'ma little surprised because of Appetite being such
an iconic record for Gunning Roses.Check out check out Kyle speaking directly to
the G and R fan base,Kyle giving it, Kyle giving it.
The old don't at me bro musicOrder to Buy is definitely not not anywhere
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near on a level of the iconicnessof Appetite. But yeah, well,
first of all, Michelle, Idon't mean this in a shitty way,
Michelle, but like it's never goingto be music can be murdered by no,
no, hold on, let mequalify that. What I mean is,
and you said it yourself, Appetiteis a monster debut record, right
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like you had never heard it.And with Eminem, it's like you expect
that quality of seal or a sealof quality, you know what I mean.
So it's yeah, yeah, sowith Eminem it won't blow up and
be this iconic thing. And that'skind of the tax you pay sometimes for
being that good at what you do, you know, like, for example,
we are easy to point out therecords that we don't like, um,
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you know, and then and thenG and R just didn't play that
game. They were like, well, if we just don't put out records,
you just can't critius. I'm sorry, Kyle, I know, I
know you had more comments. Iwill say too that like, up until
he released music to be a murderBite, everyone thought that he was just
washed up and like he was kindof living in the shadow of his older
stuff that is way better than thisnewer stuff was. Like I said,
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before he tried with Kamikaze, itwas kind of there. It was like
getting there, and then he cameback with this and everyone was like,
okay, he I mean, heset the world record or whatever for I
don't remember what specifically, what theworld record was or the Guinness Book of
World Record was for Godzilla. Buthe came back and showed everybody like,
hey, you know, I'm sobernow and I'm still just like I was
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before, So relax, yeah,which is something to accomplish because you hear
that all the time. And actually, a good friend of mine and I
were just doing a video chat lastnight and we were talking about when that
happens to an artist, like believeit or not. Even though he almost
completely destroyed his entire life through alcohol, there's a ton of Van Halen fans
that are like Eddie was a lotbetter when he was drunk. I wish
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Eddie would go back on the sauceand it's like, are you kidding me?
You know, like why would youeven Yeah, why would you say
that about someone? And you know, with Eminem, the guy sober,
and it's clear in the lyrics ofthis record that he is thinking clearly.
And I will say I had thisin my notes, but I didn't say
it on the outside chance that Appetitewhat's gonna win um between the two records.
What's fun What's funny to me aboutthese two albums is where Appetite's weakest
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moment for me is its lyrics,whereas the strongest point on the Eminem record
is the lyrics. Now, Ithink Axel Rose has an incredible voice and
it's probably at the peak of itspowers. Well now he's saying better on
Usual Illusion, but anyways, he'ssaying fantastic on Appetite, but what he's
singing oftentimes is lower than his bar, whereas Eminem, for the greater majority
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of the record, he's punching athis usual weight. So yeah, And
one of the one of the otherthings I like about that record is that
he typically on much of his otherwork, he either produced the song himself,
or he works with a close groupof producers that produced most of the
stuff that he does. On thisrecord, he used other outside producers,
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giving like lesser known people maybe abetter opportunity because they're working with him along
with the artists who were on theout, like a lot of people up
until that record came out and hadno idea who Young m A was.
Right, a lot of fans hadno idea who Juice World was. I
was gonna say, I feel likeMichelle's like I remain in a stance of
not knowing who that is. Yeah, well he passed away now, but
no, no, Young m Yeah, oh yeah, I know Juice World
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passed away. Yeah. So eitherway, like he was, he like
was scooping up these would he consideredto be talented people. Yeah, trying
to reach down. Yeah yeah,reach lend a hand down, pay it
forward the way Joy did for him. Well for my part, um,
I'd like to say this is bullshit. And this is also the final episode
of the Infects Your Screw podcast.I pick your record one week. Yeah,
bonus, I own the recording equipment, I own a computer it's recorded
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on. I'm changing the passwords toeverything to hear this episode. No,
yeah, yeah, well they will, but they will accept it's gonna go
Michelle, what's your final ruling andyou'll go, well, I picked Guns
n' Roses because Guns and Roses isgreat. Yeah, that's how it's gonna
go. So but no, I, like I say, I feel like
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I sent my kid into a fightand he did better. So I am.
I'm proud of the record, andI'm glad that I'm really surprised that
you didn't like the song Rocket Queenthat closes out the record, because for
me, I would, like Isay, anything Goes for me is the
low point of the record, andso I can see the song before that
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blending in with it. But RocketQueen just totally shifts gears from me,
so we don't have to have abig discussion out. I was just surprised
that that didn't because that song startsso differently than the two before, and
then it shifts gears so hard inthe middle that I was just surprised that
it didn't perk you up. Butthat's on. It was so I put
it on and I was, youknow, just looking at Instagram or scrolling
through and just like listening and thenthe record was over, and I was
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like, what just happened? Itwas like I like had it was like
three songs of like no notes,like it was just like there and it
was I was like, wait,I was just listening to this, How
is it over? And I realizedthree songs had played and that's how I
kind of was like, oh,it just maybe that was just one long
song. Well, it's good thatyou didn't intently listen to the lyrics that
anything goes because they're stupid. Youwould be like, it's good thing you
didn't listen to any lyrics. No, they you know, and like I
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say that, and to me,that's the difference. And I'll probably get
killed for this, but the differencebetween the two records is Eminem is a
lot stronger lyrically on his record thangen R is on there. So for
as many points as gen R couldhave attributed to it, that are intangibles
like the you know, it beingsuch a strong debut record, it being
iconic and so on and so forth. You I mean, that's a big
detractor to anyone who just listens tothe record and puts those things aside,
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which you don't have holding you down. Like that you mentioned the whole lyrical
aspect of the things, because Ididn't say talk about that at all,
but only because everyone expects Eminem touse his crazy wordplay and like all all
that kind of stuff is like Ifelt like if I had mentioned that,
it would have just been like beinga dead horse. Yeah, well,
oh dead horse track fifteen on aUser Illusion one another Fantastic Duds and Rosa's
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album. Yeah, you know,Eminem, I've always been all about unless
he's using his ridiculous accents, whichthank god he hasn't used in quite a
while. So other than that,I'm down with the guy. So overall,
I'm sad to see Appetite for Destructiongo, but I totally understand the
reasoning. Next week, next week, this is going to be interesting.
Next next next week is Garth Brookssecond LP No Offense is his first one
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being his self titled LP No Offencesbeing the second one which has at least
three big singles on it that Ican think of off the top of my
head, versus LED's Upland's fourth album, which is happily titled LED's Upland four,
and I this is one of thoseones that I don't think, Michelle,
you would have listened to either ofthese records in their entirety before.
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Nope. Yeah, so it'll beinteresting. It's been famously known where I
fall asleep at a concert, soI mean, there's got a lot going
forward right out the game. Butyou didn't fall asleep during a song from
this album, so it's got thatgoing for it. You fell asleep during
you fell asleep during a song fromhis third album. I will say that
the next week will probably really interestingbecause neither of those are my jam.
Yeah, yeah, it will beinteresting. So it's going to be Yeah,
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the great the lesser of two evilswill win out next week. So
yeah, I'm hoping to be pleasantlysurprised. Yeah, me too. If
nothing else, I'm hoping that yousay that, like you come out of
it and you go, you knowwhat, I didn't realize that I really
like these, you know, bothof these records a little bit more than
I thought I did, and thenthis one more so than that one.
That's my hope for that matchup.I will tell you. Just just going
forward, there are some like Fleetwoodmac Rumors hasn't entered this yet. Purple
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Rain hasn't made its appearance yet wehave. I'm trying to think there's a
thriller hasn't made its appearance yet.There are some tough like as much as
next week's matchup looks like something thatwill be easy for you to do,
there are some weeks coming that whenI say what the albums are that are
matched up, you're gonna cry onspot like you're not gonna want to make
make a choice. Yep. Sothings are about to get interesting. So
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we greatly appreciate everybody listening. Didyou guys get all your thoughts in?
Do I get anything else I needto hear from y'all? Good? Oh?
Michelle, did you just do theopening track to get a grip?
Could that have been better? Times? I'm just saying, OK, so
listen y'all. Once again, weuh greatly areciate you guys listening, and
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hopefully we are giving you something totake your mind off of things. Gine
our community. Just keep tagging mein the threads and I will relay the
message to Michelle. No, Iwon't give you any of her personal information
and don't go looking for it.Uh. We great, Lucretia's listening.
See you all later
It's bonus an extra episode number two. This is the second round of the
Infects Group podcast album Tournament, whichwe explained last time if you listen to
the first one. Kyle and Ipicked eight albums each that we like,
and so this is very unscientific.This is just something we're doing to have
fun, to give people extra contentright now. So each week we're going
to defend one album apiece and Michellewill hear both sides of the argument.
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She has listened to both both records, and then she will make a final
ruling in one album will pass onin the tournament. Last week, in
the first round, we had ErrolSmith versus Carol King, with Carol King's
Tapestry album coming out the winner,so that album is safe until episode nine.
This week's matchup is pretty interesting,to say the least. It's an
album that's brand spanking new against analbum that's back from the eighties. So
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we have Eminem's Music to Be MurderedBy, which came out in January of
this year surprise release actually, andversus Guns and Rose's first album Appetite for
Destruction, which came out a wayback in nineteen eighty seven. So without
further Ado, Let's jump right intoit, Kyle talk to us about music
to being murdered by Oh Man.It is, but it's one of my
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favorite Eminem albums to date. Oneof the reasons I like it so much
is because of it being a surpriseit totally. We were stuck with some
not so great Eminem for a whilethere, and all of a sudden,
this album came out and boom,we were back to what I feel is
like like the old Eminem, likewhere he didn't didn't give a shit,
he was gonna say whatever he wantedto say, he didn't care who he
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offended. He was. He wasback to whine like caused controversy, which
is his almost his entire career isbuilt off of that. So yeah,
he definitely went through a dip there. I think everybody that I know,
including an especially friend of the showJoe, doesn't like Relapse and then a
couple of things that came after that, so he definitely took a dip.
What's some of your favorite tracks offof this new one? I don't even
know if I have. The onlyone I'm really not a huge fan of
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is the song that has Young mA on it. Which I don't remember
the title of um but it justfeels out of place to me as far
as like being like the flow ofthe entire album. It doesn't doesn't feel
like it. It belongs on thealbum very first track. Yes, unaccommodating.
So I'll give you some of mythoughts on it here because I famously
so far, if you listen tothe podcast so far, I hadn't got
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around to listening to this entire albumyet, so obviously I made a focus
to do that by the time werecorded this. And my opinion on the
record is when it's strong, it'sstrong, like I would agree with when
the tracks, the strong tracks areas good or better than anything Eminem's done
previously. However, for me,there were a lot of missus on the
record. There were there were alot more than one track that didn't that
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don't quite go with it. Someof the ones I noted were into deep
Little Engine, y'all gonna learn.I think that might be the one you
were talking about. I'm not sure, but and yeah, yeah, I
didn't like that very much. Andfor an album that's around sixty minutes like,
that's a whole lot of missus forme. You know, one,
two, three, four, fourtracks for an album that's around sixty minutes.
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That's that's a whole lot of says, at least for me. But
that's the tracks that were strong.I thought were very, very very strong.
Like I said, it's four outof I'm not even actually sure how
many tracks are. I did makesure to look at the length of it,
and I know it's just over sixtyminutes long. So but this this
is your time, Kyle talking up. What else is there to like about
the record? It's one of thefew records that I feel that well,
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I should say, a few raprecords that I could listen to all the
way through. Like I literally willjust start at one, even though it's
my least favorite song on the album. I started one, and I can
literally just listen to the entire thingall the way through. And I don't
know, I just I got that. I got the feeling that when I
listened to that record the first timeis the same kind of feeling I got
when like the Marshall's Mother Marshall MothersLP came out, or I actually I
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liked the Kama Kaze album. Alot of people did not like that album,
but I thought that he was gettingon track back to coming back to
what he we all knew him tobe previously. And uh, then he
went off the radar for a whileand came back with music to be murdered
by. And I don't know,it's it's just album. And I liked
it, not only because it wasa surprise and no one really knew what
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was happening, but it's also abit of a concept album, even though
kind of I guess because of thewhole Alfred Hitchcock thing. Sure, I
liked Kamikaze myself as well, andand like I say, with this record,
when he's on, I totally getwhat you're saying, like it does
remind me of classic Eminem. However, it just there were too many misses
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on it for me. I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't say it's a
bad record by any stretch. Andit's not a bad Eminem album. I
mean it's not you know, RelapseTerritory, which again everybody friend of the
show especially doesn't like Relapse, butit's it's not at all a bad record
by a stretch of the imagination.But I just for me, there were
not enough of the stronger tracks tokeep carrying it now, Michelle, I
know last week he made a bunchof notes on each one. Do you
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want to share your notes on eminemnow or do you want me to make
a case for Appetite and then doyour notes for both. I would like
to do all of my notes atthe end. Okay, cool, Well
we can do that now and goingforward. So for me with Appetite for
Destruction, I mean, it's it'sto monster. It's considered by many to
be the greatest rock debut record evermade. For me that as soon as
you put that record on and straightthrough it sounds like Los Angeles in nineteen
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eighty seven. Jungle, in myopinion, is in the discussion for best
opening track of all time, likegets up there with you know what you
want to be starting something and itsmells like teen Spirit that territory as far
as opening tracks, and the recordjust doesn't let up from there. It's
so easy night Training, mister Brownstone, Like everything all in a row just
is a picture of what nineteen eightyseven Los Angeles sounded like in where the
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mind frame of all five members ofthe band was at that time. By
the time you reach the middle ofthe record. I think Paradise City is
just an insane track to put inthe middle of the record. It really
shows off like what they're capable ofas far as songwriting goes, like with
the changes in the bridge and theoutro and everything. Sweet Child of Mind
is easily one of the biggest poprock songs of all time. Like you
know, it's just a monster,monster single that every man, woman and
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child on earth knows. Sweet Childof Mind. The song structure there is
just incredible. The the misses forme on the record come in in the
form of think about You and anythingGoes. Think about You, in my
opinion, is the worst lyrics Axlesever written. They're just or I don't
even know actually if it was Axelor is he that wrote the lyrics,
But I just near the end ofthe song he says think about you,
and I want to make sure Idon't overestimate this, but I think he
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says that about seven thousand times.You know, if you if you're just
out of things to say at thatpoint, just don't keep saying thing about
you, oh, over and over, you know, And then anything Goes
for Me is a big miss becauseit's very sophomoric lyrically compared to the rest
of the record, Like when youtake a song like Jungle, which is
literally being like, don't come toLos Angeles, so we're gonna fuck you
up, and then six or sevensongs later you have this sophomore Brittany Fox
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trickster sounding song about you know,sex is great. That's that's a bummer
for me. It's a big misson the record, the song You're Crazy.
There's actually a much better version ofthat song that's a more laid back
acoustic version of it on the albumafter this, But the version that's on
Appetite fits the attitude and style ofAppetite, So I'm okay with it,
Like I like the other version ofyour Crazy better, but when I'm listening
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to Appetite it makes sense of thatversion is on there. So and then
as far as how the record roundsout, Rocket Queen I think is a
brilliant closer. It really allows theband to stretch out kind of like Paradise
City did. At the midpoint.It shows again what they're capable of,
like when it really reaches the crescendoat the end and it goes into like
the completely different groove. Then thesong is in the album, the album
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as a whole, and the songin particular has had up till that point
where it shifts scars with the ICEU stand and you know, it goes
into that whole melodic breakdown, andthen the album really just leaves you kind
of like drifts off at the veryend of that cut, you know,
Like I say, I think fora band to come out with that strong
of an album on their first try, it's not any surprise that that band
followed up that record with something completelydifferent than GNR Lives and then a thirty
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track monster with usual illusion. Sothat's really the best case I can make
for it. I'm certain that theGNR online community is extremely passionate, and
I'm certain that many many people arelike, but you didn't say this,
and you didn't say this, ButI feel like I made as strong of
a concise cases I can for appetitefor destruction. So having said that,
what do you want to start?Go roll back to eminem and start with
your thoughts. Michelle. Sure,so, I will say, going into
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this um ahead, listen to Eminemmusic to be murdered by several times and
the GNR Fptite for Destruction. I'veheard all or most of the songs,
but just not from front to backsort of standpoint or sit down and listen
to a record. I'm sorry notto interrupt, I just I was wondering
how that would affect your review ofthe songs, because like, I'm certain
you've heard Sweet Child of Mine amillion times in your life, but you've
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never actually heard it as track ninein a row of that record, you
know what I mean, right?So I was curious, yeah, going
into it, like I had toput more effort into the g n R,
like to be like I already hadmental notes for Eminem, like I've
just been listening to us since itcame out, and so like I already
knew so for Eminem. The biggestdownfall that I have with this record,
which is most of Eminem's records tobegin with, is I'm not a fan
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of the skits. I'm not afan of the outros. I'm not a
fan of the delete ups and thefunny and the prank calls on his other
records. Like it's just it's notmy jam. I didn't come here for
a comedy album, Like just playthe music So that's so funny. It's
because that's I feel like a lotof people are going to disagree with you
about that. Well, I don'tknow what I was going to say.
I was gonna say, I wouldn'tsay that that's a drawing point to a
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lot of records, a lot ofrap records in particular, but that is
a very popular part of a lotof rap records, like going back to
like the twenty dollars sack pyramid onthe Chronic and the one on the Red
Light District by Luda that we love, and and and the eminem like the
old Paul Berman's gets and Ken Caneffand all that. So that's just funny
that that's like you're You're probably oneof a handful of people who is rolling
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their eyes when that happens, whereaseverybody else is like, oh, you're
dumps, you know. So it'sit's just interesting. It's it's one of
the many things if you look atthe Facebook page and the interaction that we're
getting on these episodes, like youbeing the wildcard is the interesting thing about
this, you know, And that'sthat's funny. You go and point out
like one big thing that you don'tlike about the record that like everybody else
would like. You know, it'salso to the point where like it makes
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me mad when they come on,don't even know, I feel like it
interrupts the groove of the record.I'm so sorry, side no again.
I don't mean to interrupt you.But when I put it on today,
I didn't realize that I had Spotifyon shuffle. So it played the first
track of the record, and thenit played and then like three or four
tracks later, it played a skitand then something that was and I was
like, well, that's the mostdisjointed changeover from a skit I've ever heard,
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you know, And then I realized. I was like, wait a
minute, so I had to listen. I was actually didn't know how many
songs I had listened to, soI went back and took it off shuffle
and listened to it straight through again, and it made more sense. Yeah,
that'll get you. I overall thisrecord, I love it. There's
a couple songs on there that I'mnot like, I'm not a huge fan
of, but it doesn't it doesn'truin the record for me. Like I
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don't skip it when it comes on, Like I let it play. There's
other songs on the record that aremy jam you know, Godzilla, this
is a single on it and itfrom the second I heard it, I
was like, yes, like thisis for me. I also got introduced
to Anderson Pack. That's all yousay. He's on that song. Yeah,
he's on the song lock it Up. I love that song and I
love him on that song, umto the point where it like almost makes
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me almost makes me want to researchother things he's done. I close,
but no, Cigar, I justhaven't yet. We need to. We
need to make sure to hashtag himin this episode on the off chance they
hey'll see the tweet, like youneed to know that you came so close
to the shelf, caring so close. I also love that Skylar Gray's on
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it again and then he teams upwith Ed Shearon again. I feel like
those are always solid cut with eminemthe Darkness about the Las Vegas shooting gives
me chills when I listened to it, and I will that was one of
the ones that I was like,dude, when you're on you're on Yeah,
and in Darkness is absolutely one ofthose tracks. Yeah, so I
know that it does. Like Isaid, The biggest downfall for any eminem
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record, not even just this one, is the skits, and I knew
that going into it. But otherthan that, there wasn't really there's not
really a song on there where Iautomatically skip it, which if anybody's listened
to is it on Ama n Ignitethe fun song? Which one is?
It gets better? No, that'son some nights. It's the only bad
song on some nights. Yeah,So some nights is a fire record from
(12:07):
top to bottom, except for itgets better, and it literally makes me
angry when it comes on, likeI have to if I have to run
across the room and skip the song, not only not only because it's a
bad song, but the title ofthe song is a lot. It does
not get better. Yeah, itdoes not get better at any point in
that song. From from the topof that song to the end, it
never gets better. It's just startsout bad. It's better when it ends.
Yeah maybe, Okay, Well thereyou go. So there's not any
(12:31):
of those songs on here that Iam like, dope skip like I I've
very often put this record on fromfront to back and have had no problems
like and that says a lot forme because I usually get bored really easily
with putting on the whole album byan artist. Um, I usually get
bored in the middle of it.You're gonna do it a whole lot during
this tournament, that's for sure.Step Dad is well, it's not my
(12:52):
favorite. I don't find myself skippingit when it comes on, except for
the skit, which I don't carefor. It's I would say step Dad
is probab probably my least favorite songon the record. And also, are
you trying to get me to notpick your record? He's like, I
heard you didn't like that song.No, because I like this on a
line you mentioned in the past.I can't. I don't. I can't
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listen to that song. I'm like, well, I wanted to know why
it's something I can't listen to it. Um, it's just you love it
so much, and I just don'tsee what there is that is so phenomenal
about that one track. I guessI should say that. And I did
write down my favorite line, whichis in accommodating not my favorite line on
the record. It was one thatstood out to me today and like I
never heard it before. Um,like I heard it but I never heard
it which was not uncommodating. Um, which is the one you don't like?
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He says, call us liquid plumberbecause even dre now ready, Yeah,
I appreciate you. I appreciate youexplaining that for the rest of us,
as if we didn't understand it theway you didn't. I ran it
back like three times. Let merephrase what I said earlier. I the
part of I don't like about thatsong is young Amy's part, and I'm
a fan of hers individually, buton that song, she does not fit
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into what's happening. And then assues he gets on it, it becomes
a way way, way, wayway, a better song. Yeah,
I do agree with that. Um. The first time I listened to it,
I was like, what is happening? Is this just more of the
introduction? And then he comes onand now I've learned to like it.
I don't. It's not it's myfarm out, my favorite, but I
learned to like it overall. Gotcha, what kind of notes do you have
for appetite? So listening my firstfront to back, and I really did
(14:24):
enjoy it. There were a coupleof songs on there that was not my
jam, but overall. Um,I was actually surprised that all the majority
of the songs that I do knowfrom Guns N' Roses that I like are
all on the same record. Also, there's a song with my name on
it. So yeah, it's nota happy song though it's not. It's
not a very a very caplimentary songtoward uh now, to my knowledge,
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it's not about you, Michelle,but oh man, they it's not a
good person. I mean, Ichoose to overlook that. I mean,
anything with my name in it itis good by me. It's not.
It's not exactly the Beatles singing Michelle, that's for sure. It is not.
I did notice that they come swingingwith the first song, Welcome to
the Jungle. Act just is likeand I did not know this, which
(15:09):
I'm sure Russ has told me athousand times. I didn't. I said
this is their debut album. Huhyeah, I didn't. I didn't really
realize that. And uh so,like for that to be the first thing
you hear from this band is likeepic. Yeah, and it turned the
whole quote unquote hairband industry on.It's here like to this day, if
you talk to anybody and say youknow as G andir hairband like people will
cut you because appetite is like anentire step above like that whole what what
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that genre is perceived to be.Yeah, you know, there's probably a
lot of people listening to this.They are like, oh, that those
two records have nothing at all incommon with one another, which isn't true
because at one time they Axel Roseand M and M are both very very
like anti the man, like youknow, I don't care who I have
fend like fuck you all, likethat kind of thing. And oh yeah,
(15:56):
absolutely, they both entered the musicindustry with huge smash records. We're
not talking about MMM's there some shittyLP. But in the same token,
he came and changed change rap foreveryone with that album. Yeah, absolutely,
And they did the same thing withTheirs. Yeah, and it just
gets better from there, because itdoes get better. It's so easy.
And Night Train Out to get Meis not my jam but mister Bennington and
(16:18):
then I didn't mention that, butI'll get me he's not really my Jamie.
That that's funny. Yeah, I'ma sucker for key changes. And
I'm sure you didn't listen like thisintently, but there's a sweet ass key
change in that song for specifically forthe solo, and then it goes back.
I've seen them do that song manytimes live and literally my ears perk
up for that key change, andthen I'm like, we're back out to
Get Me. But it's a bigfan favorite. People love that song.
(16:40):
So anyways, yeah, coming yeah, coming out of out to Get Me
goes into what Pardi said, henext, mister Brownston, what I was
gonna say about out to Get Me? And I don't know if it's just
if it's just a me thing,because I was like, I know all
these songs, so I'm like,welcome to the Jungle, Yes, it's
so easy, Yes, Night Train, Yes. And then I'm like,
I don't know the song, oh, mister Brownstone, Yes, very nice
city. Yes. So I don'tknow if it was just an interruption for
my brain was like, no,skip this, like you don't know this
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song because like the majority of thisrecord I know. And then Paradise City
is by far my favorite song onthis record, probably my favorite G and
R song of all time. Ithink, well, you're luck if you
ever go see him again, becausethey close with it every single time they
play ever, so you'll I'm goingto be awake until until the finale.
They come on on time now damn. Anyways, go on. I will
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say the second half of the recordwas my least favorite, and by the
end of it, I was like, I don't even know. And so
I wasn't just like sitting there staringat the wall listening to this. I
was like making notes and I wason my phone and I was like,
I don't even know when when onesong ended another song started, and I
don't know. Yeah, I justsaw your face. No, it's just
because I mean there's like wildly differentsongs and they half like sweet Child of
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Mind is incredibly different than either songon either side. Sure after that,
so like you're crazy, anything goesin racket, Queen, I was just
like this one long song and Ikind of I don't know, there was
nothing that that was thrilling to meenough to take notice. Yeah, which
is what I've been doing with Mwhen I did last week and then when
I did this week, is I'vebeen putting it on and doing other things.
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And then I'm like, wait,what was that? Like I run
it back like that lyric or wentout to get me came on and I
was like, wait, what songis this? I don't know it?
And then I looked into it,you know, like stuff like that,
and then after a see Child ofMine, I just kind of fell off
the rest of there was nothing remarkableabout the rest of the record for me.
Well, one of the three ofthose is in my like least favorite
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songs on the record, So Iget that. What were you going to
say? Anything goes sorry, Kyli? She prompted me for something else.
I'm sorry, go right ahead.That's like one of my two gripes with
that record is one is a lotof it does sound very similar to me,
and I kind of like Michelle gottowards the end of the record,
get lost in what song I'm listeningto? And then also every what most
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two will know of Guns N' Rosesis on this album. They have much
more to offer as a band asa whole. So like, if you
ask someone to put on the gunsrosa song, it's gonna be like one
of the five like huge smash songsthat are on this record. In particular,
now if it's me, but goon, it's the very first JUNR
song I'm gonna play for anybody I'mplaying on Earth ever is better from two
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thousand and eights underrated masterpiece Chinese Democracy. But yes, ninety percent of Earth
will put on you know, JungleParadise, Sweet Child of Mine. Here's
an interesting fact. I don't knowif either of you know two gigantic hits
from the two albums later use YourIllusion You Could Be Mine the lead What
was the lead single off of usYour Illusion and November Rain. We're both
written for this album and didn't makethe record. See, I could take
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out two songs from here easy andput those on here now Again, the
GNR online community is going to comedown to my head about this, so
I'm gonna probably get it wrong.But when Axel formed the new lineup of
GNR and ninety nine, he hadthem re record Appetite Like as an exercise
in learning the album, and theycut two songs and they added you Could
(20:00):
Be Mined was one of them.So like. And another interesting thing is
if you look in the liner notesfor Appetite for Destruction, the course for
You Could Be Mine is printed inthe liner notes for Appetite for Destruction Like
at the bottom of the lyric page. It has the course for You Could
Be Mine is with your bitch slaprapping in your cocaintelling you get nothing done,
and that line is at the bottomof the liner notes for Appetite.
Interesting. Yeah, so, butI'm excited that they held off You can
(20:22):
Be Mine for the first single offof Usier Illusion because it's a freaking monster
for first single for for those records. Yeah, that's another song I like,
You could Be Mine and better foranybody who doesn't know. Um,
there were a period of time whereRuss loved at my house and I heard
a lot of guns in Roses whoknew with against my Will along with Roger
(20:44):
Waters. Hold On, hold on, hold on. This is a public
service platform, so I just wantto say you were not tied to a
chair and made to listen to GungerMills as it was just on in the
house against your will. Makes itsound like you couldn't just go to another
room or to a different level ofthe home or something. It's not that
big of a house, right,Yeah here, I never really I never
(21:07):
had the sound system I have nowthere, so you could have easily got
away from the sound system that Ihad there if you really wanted to.
That is true. Do you gotany more? Well, I'll just say
I think that's why I am sofamiliar with it to begin with is because
of you and just our relationship andliving together for a little bit and uh
having to hear it and having tohear you talk about it, which that
sounded wrong, like that you mademe hear listen to you? True,
(21:30):
I say I want to take aswing at that. I won't be managed.
Do you mean wanting to hear aboutit and wanting to hear rust talk
about it, hear rest preach theguns and roses. I have an affinity
for that for the album. Becauseof that, I feel like it's not
just something that is like I feellike there's a lot of eighties rock bands
where it's like I know one songby them and that's it doesn't really do
(21:51):
much for me. But this isa little bit more. But I think
that might be I think that's allmy notes. That's yeah, that's all
my notes. Yeah I have Ihave my scores and whatnot. But yeah,
you want me to wait? Yeah, absolutely cool. All right,
Well, you've heard both sides ofthe argument. You've heard Michelle's thoughts on
both, which means it is timeto take a quick break. We'll take
a quick break, and then whenwe come back, coming right out of
(22:14):
that, we will get into Michelle'sruling and the reaction. I have a
feeling I know how this is goingto go, but we'll find out in
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You've heard all the arguments, you'veheard all the edge, and so
we are going to move on toMichelle's final judgment real quick. As I
(23:45):
always do, I want to remindeverybody that we are on the social media
and the way I requested the lastepisode, I'm gonna request again this time
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would please you let others know thatyou're listening to this show. It will
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(24:07):
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would appreciate the help in growing theshow. Having said that it's time,
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Michelle, what is your final ruling? I know it last week when I
said what the matchup was going tobe for this week, I knew it
was going to be Eminem. SoI will say I hold on real quick.
I just want to say, you'reabout to speak to a lot of
very angry Gods and Roses fans,because the online g and our community is
how do I put this as nicelyas I can passionate, So you're about
(25:00):
to speak to a whole lot ofvery angry guns and Roses fans. So
I hope you've prepared some sort ofaddress for them. I did not prepare
anything for them. I will saythat I enjoy listening to Appetite for Destruction
from top to bottom, from toback. Um, it was definitely the
last three tracks. Except for thelast three tracks. However, I fully
(25:22):
expected to come into it not justnot being my jam. I feel like
for me from my purpose perspective,I sent my kid out to a fight.
I know he wasn't gonna win,but he did better in the fight
than I thought he was going to, you know, so I did give.
So I gave. I'm an mseven out of ten, and I
gave appetite five out of ten,which I gave Aerosmith a four out of
ten, So it's one better thanAarosmith. If that man, now,
(25:44):
you're now you're just trying to makethat whole fan base. The Aerosmith fans
are gonna be like what. Idon't want to make anybody, man,
I will say, and I meanthis with all the love in my heart.
The GENR online fan base is aspecial bunch, so they're gonna they're
gonna be real, real man.Like I fully every single time I opened
(26:07):
my GNR form, which, bythe way, when I say that,
just so you know, that's thename of the site. Is my GNR
form, Like, I don't meanmy GNR form. Uh. If you
go to my GNR forum dot com, that's the that's the site. When
this episode is posted on Friday,I fully expect to open my browser to
oh something like three hundred and sixtysix notifications every day from being tagged in
this discussion about who, why,how you said that woman was your friend?
(26:30):
You know, I will say,you got up a good fight,
and you've been preparing me for thismoment since the moment I knew you're up.
It's two thousand and two to getthis dog ready for the fight.
However, Eminem is just except forrelapse, eminem is just my jam in
(26:51):
general. And I will say,if it was Kamikazi, even Kamikaze against
Appetite, I bet Appetite would havewon. But I feel differently than you
and Cold well you specifically about thisrecord. I think it's just as good
as Marsha Mothers LP two too.Sure, yeah, it's not there as
good as the first one. No, no, the first one is untouchable.
But I just feel like it's it'sone of the best records he's put
(27:12):
out in a while. The lasttwo were Was there one before Kama Kaze?
I feel like, wasn't there aweird one? Yes? Recovery Yeah,
that also not my jam? Sowell, there is there is relaps,
relapse, refill, and then recovery. Yeah. Why so many?
Well anyways, Kyle, last weekwas revival, Revival, revival last week.
Last week I went first. BecauseI won, Kyle, I will
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turn the floor over to you.What do you have to say in your
victory this week? I'm actually I'ma little surprised because of Appetite being such
an iconic record for Gunning Roses.Check out check out Kyle speaking directly to
the G and R fan base,Kyle giving it, Kyle giving it.
The old don't at me bro musicOrder to Buy is definitely not not anywhere
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near on a level of the iconicnessof Appetite. But yeah, well,
first of all, Michelle, Idon't mean this in a shitty way,
Michelle, but like it's never goingto be music can be murdered by no,
no, hold on, let mequalify that. What I mean is,
and you said it yourself, Appetiteis a monster debut record, right
(28:17):
like you had never heard it.And with Eminem, it's like you expect
that quality of seal or a sealof quality, you know what I mean.
So it's yeah, yeah, sowith Eminem it won't blow up and
be this iconic thing. And that'skind of the tax you pay sometimes for
being that good at what you do, you know, like, for example,
we are easy to point out therecords that we don't like, um,
(28:40):
you know, and then and thenG and R just didn't play that
game. They were like, well, if we just don't put out records,
you just can't critius. I'm sorry, Kyle, I know, I
know you had more comments. Iwill say too that like, up until
he released music to be a murderBite, everyone thought that he was just
washed up and like he was kindof living in the shadow of his older
stuff that is way better than thisnewer stuff was. Like I said,
(29:00):
before he tried with Kamikaze, itwas kind of there. It was like
getting there, and then he cameback with this and everyone was like,
okay, he I mean, heset the world record or whatever for I
don't remember what specifically, what theworld record was or the Guinness Book of
World Record was for Godzilla. Buthe came back and showed everybody like,
hey, you know, I'm sobernow and I'm still just like I was
(29:22):
before, So relax, yeah,which is something to accomplish because you hear
that all the time. And actually, a good friend of mine and I
were just doing a video chat lastnight and we were talking about when that
happens to an artist, like believeit or not. Even though he almost
completely destroyed his entire life through alcohol, there's a ton of Van Halen fans
that are like Eddie was a lotbetter when he was drunk. I wish
(29:42):
Eddie would go back on the sauceand it's like, are you kidding me?
You know, like why would youeven Yeah, why would you say
that about someone? And you know, with Eminem, the guy sober,
and it's clear in the lyrics ofthis record that he is thinking clearly.
And I will say I had thisin my notes, but I didn't say
it on the outside chance that Appetitewhat's gonna win um between the two records.
What's fun What's funny to me aboutthese two albums is where Appetite's weakest
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moment for me is its lyrics,whereas the strongest point on the Eminem record
is the lyrics. Now, Ithink Axel Rose has an incredible voice and
it's probably at the peak of itspowers. Well now he's saying better on
Usual Illusion, but anyways, he'ssaying fantastic on Appetite, but what he's
singing oftentimes is lower than his bar, whereas Eminem, for the greater majority
(30:27):
of the record, he's punching athis usual weight. So yeah, And
one of the one of the otherthings I like about that record is that
he typically on much of his otherwork, he either produced the song himself,
or he works with a close groupof producers that produced most of the
stuff that he does. On thisrecord, he used other outside producers,
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giving like lesser known people maybe abetter opportunity because they're working with him along
with the artists who were on theout, like a lot of people up
until that record came out and hadno idea who Young m A was.
Right, a lot of fans hadno idea who Juice World was. I
was gonna say, I feel likeMichelle's like I remain in a stance of
not knowing who that is. Yeah, well he passed away now, but
no, no, Young m Yeah, oh yeah, I know Juice World
(31:10):
passed away. Yeah. So eitherway, like he was, he like
was scooping up these would he consideredto be talented people. Yeah, trying
to reach down. Yeah yeah,reach lend a hand down, pay it
forward the way Joy did for him. Well for my part, um,
I'd like to say this is bullshit. And this is also the final episode
of the Infects Your Screw podcast.I pick your record one week. Yeah,
bonus, I own the recording equipment, I own a computer it's recorded
(31:34):
on. I'm changing the passwords toeverything to hear this episode. No,
yeah, yeah, well they will, but they will accept it's gonna go
Michelle, what's your final ruling andyou'll go, well, I picked Guns
n' Roses because Guns and Roses isgreat. Yeah, that's how it's gonna
go. So but no, I, like I say, I feel like
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I sent my kid into a fightand he did better. So I am.
I'm proud of the record, andI'm glad that I'm really surprised that
you didn't like the song Rocket Queenthat closes out the record, because for
me, I would, like Isay, anything Goes for me is the
low point of the record, andso I can see the song before that
(32:15):
blending in with it. But RocketQueen just totally shifts gears from me,
so we don't have to have abig discussion out. I was just surprised
that that didn't because that song startsso differently than the two before, and
then it shifts gears so hard inthe middle that I was just surprised that
it didn't perk you up. Butthat's on. It was so I put
it on and I was, youknow, just looking at Instagram or scrolling
through and just like listening and thenthe record was over, and I was
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like, what just happened? Itwas like I like had it was like
three songs of like no notes,like it was just like there and it
was I was like, wait,I was just listening to this, How
is it over? And I realizedthree songs had played and that's how I
kind of was like, oh,it just maybe that was just one long
song. Well, it's good thatyou didn't intently listen to the lyrics that
anything goes because they're stupid. Youwould be like, it's good thing you
didn't listen to any lyrics. No, they you know, and like I
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say that, and to me,that's the difference. And I'll probably get
killed for this, but the differencebetween the two records is Eminem is a
lot stronger lyrically on his record thangen R is on there. So for
as many points as gen R couldhave attributed to it, that are intangibles
like the you know, it beingsuch a strong debut record, it being
iconic and so on and so forth. You I mean, that's a big
detractor to anyone who just listens tothe record and puts those things aside,
(33:22):
which you don't have holding you down. Like that you mentioned the whole lyrical
aspect of the things, because Ididn't say talk about that at all,
but only because everyone expects Eminem touse his crazy wordplay and like all all
that kind of stuff is like Ifelt like if I had mentioned that,
it would have just been like beinga dead horse. Yeah, well,
oh dead horse track fifteen on aUser Illusion one another Fantastic Duds and Rosa's
(33:44):
album. Yeah, you know,Eminem, I've always been all about unless
he's using his ridiculous accents, whichthank god he hasn't used in quite a
while. So other than that,I'm down with the guy. So overall,
I'm sad to see Appetite for Destructiongo, but I totally understand the
reasoning. Next week, next week, this is going to be interesting.
Next next next week is Garth Brookssecond LP No Offense is his first one
(34:08):
being his self titled LP No Offencesbeing the second one which has at least
three big singles on it that Ican think of off the top of my
head, versus LED's Upland's fourth album, which is happily titled LED's Upland four,
and I this is one of thoseones that I don't think, Michelle,
you would have listened to either ofthese records in their entirety before.
(34:30):
Nope. Yeah, so it'll beinteresting. It's been famously known where I
fall asleep at a concert, soI mean, there's got a lot going
forward right out the game. Butyou didn't fall asleep during a song from
this album, so it's got thatgoing for it. You fell asleep during
you fell asleep during a song fromhis third album. I will say that
the next week will probably really interestingbecause neither of those are my jam.
Yeah, yeah, it will beinteresting. So it's going to be Yeah,
(34:52):
the great the lesser of two evilswill win out next week. So
yeah, I'm hoping to be pleasantlysurprised. Yeah, me too. If
nothing else, I'm hoping that yousay that, like you come out of
it and you go, you knowwhat, I didn't realize that I really
like these, you know, bothof these records a little bit more than
I thought I did, and thenthis one more so than that one.
That's my hope for that matchup.I will tell you. Just just going
forward, there are some like Fleetwoodmac Rumors hasn't entered this yet. Purple
(35:14):
Rain hasn't made its appearance yet wehave. I'm trying to think there's a
thriller hasn't made its appearance yet.There are some tough like as much as
next week's matchup looks like something thatwill be easy for you to do,
there are some weeks coming that whenI say what the albums are that are
matched up, you're gonna cry onspot like you're not gonna want to make
make a choice. Yep. Sothings are about to get interesting. So
(35:37):
we greatly appreciate everybody listening. Didyou guys get all your thoughts in?
Do I get anything else I needto hear from y'all? Good? Oh?
Michelle, did you just do theopening track to get a grip?
Could that have been better? Times? I'm just saying, OK, so
listen y'all. Once again, weuh greatly areciate you guys listening, and
(36:00):
hopefully we are giving you something totake your mind off of things. Gine
our community. Just keep tagging mein the threads and I will relay the
message to Michelle. No, Iwon't give you any of her personal information
and don't go looking for it.Uh. We great, Lucretia's listening.
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
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