July 3, 2023 • 37 mins
It's back! We are doing our first ever re-release of a very popular series of episodes from our past. Join Michelle, Kyle & Russ as we rip through a very exciting album tournament. Kyle picked 8 albums for the tournament and so did Russ, bringing the grand total of albums to 16. Each week, Kyle & Russ state their case for why they're cjosen album should win, then Michelle picked the winner.
Some music giants are among those chosen for battle: Aerosmith, Beach Boys, Carole King, Eminem, Fleetwood Mac, Garth Brooks, Guns N' Roses, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, Michael Jackson, Pearl Jam, Pink Floyd, Prince, Silversun Pickups, The Weeknd and more square up over the course of the tournament.
Settle in, listen up and check out these bonus episodes over 16 weeks! It's the first re-release, trip down memory lane with your favorite podcast, the Infectious Grove Podcast!
Some music giants are among those chosen for battle: Aerosmith, Beach Boys, Carole King, Eminem, Fleetwood Mac, Garth Brooks, Guns N' Roses, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, Michael Jackson, Pearl Jam, Pink Floyd, Prince, Silversun Pickups, The Weeknd and more square up over the course of the tournament.
Settle in, listen up and check out these bonus episodes over 16 weeks! It's the first re-release, trip down memory lane with your favorite podcast, the Infectious Grove Podcast!
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From the thirty three to third MusicAppreciation Center and Speak Easy. It's a
bonus episode number four of the InfectiousGroove Podcast. We are doing the bonus
extra tournament episodes, and I'm sureeverybody's used to it by now that's listened.
But Kyle and I just picked eightalbums that we like a piece.
We threw them in a tournament bracket, and right now, in the first
round, they are all his choicesare pitted against mine as we move through
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it, and Michelle decides which onesare the winner, and they move on.
Things will get interesting later on whensome of our own choices go up
against each other and so on.So it's going to be not scientific by
any stretch of the imagination, butvery fun and interesting the whole time.
So last week we had Garth Brooks'ssecond album, No of Fences go up
against led Zeppelin's fourth album, ledZeppland four, and led Zeppelin ended up
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taking that, so they will.We will circle back to led Zeppeland four
later in the tournament when who knowswhat it'll be going up against. So
this week's matchup is Metallica's fifth album, self titled The Black Album Whatever You
Want to call it this kind oflike the Beatles White Album. It's just
really doesn't have a name, versusPink Floyd's seventh album, The Dark Side
of the Moon. So, seeingas these episodes are generally a little bit
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shorter in format, we'll jump rightinto it. Kyle enlighten us about Metallica's
Black Album. It's by far it'smy favorite of their older albums. Actually,
I don't like any of their newerstuff, but my favorite of their
older albums and has jam packed withjust tons of old headbanging shit you'd want
to listen to when you're working outor want to punch a hole in the
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wall or something like that. Yeah, it's definitely a pump you up album,
that's for sure. I Mean,they switched formats like huge from the
fourth record before that. But andlike many people when they refer to like
new Metallica, and I'm using airquotes, this is the era that they
talk about, is like the Blackalbum for it is quote new Metallica.
Uh, and then uh kill ThemAll Through and Justice for All, which
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is the record before this was theuh what's considered quote unquote old Metallica.
And my thing is people get soangry about the Black album because it's so
different than what they'd done before.But in in my personal opinion, and
Justice for All is the single greatestheavy metal record ever made by anyone ever.
And once you're at the top ofthe mountain, where you supposed to
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go from there? You know,Like that's always been my defense of this
record is like, what what werethey supposed to do? Make and Justice
for All again? You know,like they had just perfected that, so
of course they're going to drop itdown to like three and four minute songs
and a lot of the fans objectedto that. But what's some of your
Oh, my favorite song off therecord is my Friend of Missouri? All
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right on? Yeah, that's actuallynear the tail end, right, Yeah,
it's just so yeah, no it'snot. It's the second last song,
I think, either the Struggle Withinor the Guy That Failed or the
last Okay, right on? Whatwhat were you going to say? Is
like nothing else matters? It likeis totally different than a lot of the
other stuff that they'd done previously.Yeah, I think that and uh,
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the Unforgiven definitely are two tracks thatdon't sound anything like they've done before,
regardless of like song length and soon. I like that they were able
to switch it up from their olderstuff and still still kick ass man like
the stuff that they put out likeway later the way newer stuff is like
to me awful, like they shipthe bed later and later, like Death
Magnetic and all those albums. Like, yeah, I cannot. I'm of
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two minds about it. I willsay, I don't know. Have you
heard the latest which is a coupleof years old now, but Hardwired a
self destruct I did not listen tothough, Okay, give that a shot.
I think you'd like it. Myproblem with Death Magnetic was Death Magnetic
to me, is what they couldhave done after and Justice for All.
Like it's four guys sitting there beinglike, let's do thrash speed metal because
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we're Metallica, you know, andthat's not the right reason to make a
record, you know what I mean? And Hardwired is that it's still that,
but I think they did it moreorganically. I don't know how to
describe it. You'll have to takea listen to it and let me know.
Well. I mean you might takeit hot garbage, but I like
it more than Death Magnetic, Let'sput it that way. Death Magnetic to
me is just it sounds forced likethey were just trying to be this it
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just trying to be this band thatfits in with all the other like hardcore
like uh, you know, speedmetal bands or whatever they're out, and
it just was not. I don'tknow, man, they really lost me
after after they started doing that kindof ship right, No, and um
geez, that could almost be awhole extra episode. Just yeah, that'll
be one where Michelle's on vacation orsomething, so it's not just Michelle sitting
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here and board listening to you andI wax poetic about I don't I don't
really agree with this album being consideredlike the new Metallica. I it was
when it came out, brother,it was when it came out like one
through five. To me is likeI grouped that and like all of the
stuff that I would prefer to listento from Metallica, and then you got,
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like you know, later on youget Load and Reload and that kind
of stuff, and I appreciate thosefor what they are. And then obviously
we just talked about the later stuffthat is not as good. But yeah,
Load and Reload are very much acontinuation of this record, at least
in my opinion, and then evenexploring with even newer sounds, and then
I think we can all agree sayingAnger is the worst thing that ever happened.
But again flashing back to this thisrecord specifically, I think it kicks
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off with two of the biggest radiohits the band had ever have and will
ever have, Sam Man and SabbaTrue. And like you said, if
if you're going to punch someone inthe face, about halfway through Sam Man
on all the way through Sabba Trueare great tracks to do that with.
Oh yeah, and Man, there'sjust that's almost like that's why I like
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My Friend of Misery so much,because it has that like the the lete
up to it, and then onceit starts going, it's just like it
all hell breaks loose. Yeah.The only issue that I have with the
record is for me, at least, there are some tracks that are just
there. And again, what I'vewhat I've done recently with this is,
in addition to Michelle like having tolisten to the records in their entirety,
I've been trying my best to reallysit down and zone in on these records
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straight through. Whether you know,if it's obviously if it's something I've never
heard before, because I'm going tospeak on it, or if it's something
like the Black album that I haven'tlistened to straight through and forever, and
there used to be songs like Holierthan Now. I used to think was
just the greatest metal song ever,and it was very much just there for
me this time, and there wasa couple other that were like that,
don't tread on me and on throughthan Ever. For me, We're just
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there. But like on either sidesof that, you know, unforgiven wherever
I'm a roam, those are monstertracks. Nothing else matters. Like you
mentioned, I think The God ThatFailed is a great cut near the end
of the record. But yeah,I mean it's it's a great record.
I just it's other than My Friendof Misery. I think it really dials
back in the second half, likeit's still heavy, but it's not.
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The songs aren't as they're just thereto me, do you see what I'm
saying. Yeah, I'd be willingto say that My Friend of Misery is
like out of place in order onthe album because, like you said,
like to me, that's a prettyheavy song and a lot of other stuff
at that end of the record isnot as heavy as what is at the
beginning of the record. Yep.It to the point where when it came
on the other night, well Ihave I have a mobile fidelity pressing of
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it, so it's at forty fiverpm and you get a lot fewer songs
per side. And I when Iwas getting to the end, I was
like, what else it's not?Oh like when I saw that song,
I was like, oh, yeah, Like, I haven't heard this in
a while, so that's I didn'tknow you had that on vinol until you
posted that picture of that, andI was like, yeah. And not
only do I have it on vinyl, I have the mobile fidelity version,
which is killer. That and Justice. I have the two, those two
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and the mobile fidelity forty five rpmpressings which are sweet. Everything else,
I just have the regular pressings ofit, but they're those two sound freaking
fantastic. What else? What elseyou got to say about the Black Album?
I overall, I think that thisalbum does a lot of speaking for
itself. It's is one of tome, one of Metallica's most iconic albums
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that they put out. Yeah,for sure, good banner and different it's
definitely iconic, you know what Imean, Like, yeah, yeah,
whether you love it or hate it, as quote unquote a diehard Metallica fan,
it's iconic and you can't deny that. Yeah. People might have been
pissed off because they changed how they'redoing changed up how they are doing things,
but that's how, you know,how bands grow over their career.
Yeah, they have to. Theydid shit the bed later on with say
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Anger and Death Magnetic, but likeit's back then, it all of all
the albums are good back then.It's just it's let's not leave out Blue
Lou the album they did with LouReed that is horrible. Let's not let's
not leave that out. But again, I'm not We're not judging the rest
of Metallica square, We're just judgingthis. So I don't mean to make
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it sound like I'm going on aboutyou know, what they did later.
So I was speaking of other albums. I didn't never knew that I liked
to listen to an orchestra and Metallicatogether until S and M came out and
I was like, holy shit,like this is awesome. Yeah. Errol
Smith kicked that off when Last ActionHero came out and they had that orchestrated
version of dream On from the MTVtenth Anniversary special, and then man after
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Errol Smith did it, everybody elseneeded to do it and to varying degrees
of success, and Metallica was absolutelyone of the bands that had success with
it. And by success, Idon't mean it sold a large number of
records. I mean it was itwas what well done, you know,
like S and M did sell well, but it was well done. There's
other orchestrated records because it seems likeeverybody needed to put one out that sold
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a ton of copies that were notgood. So at least Metallica did it
well. Moving along to my recordthis week, Pink Floyd's seventh record,
Dark Side of the Moon. Imade all these notes for the Black album
that I just shared with you,and I kid you not my notes for
Dark Side of the Moon and sayexactly this on the screen here. I
mean, like that's literally all Iwrote. Because I'm going to try real
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hard to stop myself from going onfor about an hour and a half about
this record. This is good Luck, a masterpiece, straight up masterpiece.
It's influential, it's groundbreaking. Ittakes you on a journey from the moment
that it starts till a moment thatit ends. There's so many unique things
I won't even get into about theway that they recorded, the way that
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they things were done to get thesounds that they got on the record,
and to tell the story they weretelling you to The one thing I'll stop
off at and tell you this interestingis at the very beginning when you hear
the heartbeat, and you hear thefirst voices before the guitar comes in for
a breathe, and you hear differentquotes and whatnot. You hear people all
throughout the record talking. And whatthey did with that was they put questions
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about just life and love and everythingelse. They put questions index cards,
and they got random people to comein the studio and they would just have
them read the index card and thensay their answer to the question. So
it would be like, when's thelast time you got in a fist fight?
Are you afraid of dying? Doyou think you have enough money?
You know, what's your thoughts onwar? And then people would read the
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question and they would say it allout. And then they used normal people's
thoughts on the record, and that'swhat you first hear when the when the
very first heartbeat starts at the beginningof the record, and then you hear
that through the rest of the record. But I mean it kicks off with
Breathe, which pretty much sets thetone, which is literally, I mean,
the song is about or the albumis about a journey through life and
all the ups and downs, andBreathe kicks right off and you know,
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very like the promise of a newlife and you've got your future ahead of
you. And then it immediately goesinto On the Run, which is to
me, sounds like paranoia. Likethat's what it's supposed to sound like,
is when you start to get intoreal life and real life problems and the
feelings that were around your head andwhatnot. That's what you That's what On
the Run is meant to signify,going into Time, which is just in
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my opinion, the song Time isPink Floyd firing on all so owners.
The drumming is fantastic, The keysare fantastic, both Dave and Rick.
Their harmonized vocals are superb. Thelyrics for Time are absolutely fantastic. Just
another Roger Waters brilliant song about howeverything passes by us so fast and you
always are going to make plans andif you don't act on it, then
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the time's already gone by. It'sjust just amazing. And then that's followed
up. Side one closes out withGreat Gig in the Sky, which is
a beautiful instrumental on the keys byRick Wright. I love the fact that
there's not even words for this.They just brought in Claire Tory to almost
to like a funeral wailing over thetop, which is amazing. Which side
note about that song, that's improved. She just knew the notes that they
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wanted to sing, and she laidthat out that way, And ever since
nineteen seventy three, every person who'sever saying it with Pink Floyd is just
desperately trying to live up to ClaireToy's original vocal. Kickoff side two with
Money, which again is just anotherlike cornerstone and pillar of life. Side
note about that song, it's theonly number one hit in the history of
music that's in seven five timing,which is amazing. But again, Pink
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Floyd firing on all four cylinders.The drumming is fantastic. The keys are
great. Dave's guitar work is probablythe best of the record. On that
song, Dave again singing Rogers lyricswhich straight up tell the story of you
know, basically all of life isabout getting more money, and if you
don't have money, you're left out, and if you do, then you're
you get an automatic pass and moveon. Going out of that into Us
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and Them, which again is anothergorgeous cut, not the first time and
not the last time Roger Waters willtell us about how bad war is,
but more that song focuses on howthe differences differences in society come from those
who make war and the people whobenefit from war, and it's one of
those messages that was just as timelyin nineteen seventy three as it is here
in twenty twenty, which I thinkis another huge in the plus column.
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Before the record how timeless it is. Coming out of that is a wonderful
Rickwright keyboard experiment called any Color YouLike, which was more or less the
same type of thing like swirling throughthe rest of your life. And then
the album is capped off with twosongs that represent old age with brain damage
and Eclipse reflecting back on your wholelife and how you handle things and how
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those you know, the time,the money, and taking a moment to
breathe in, but also planning ahead, how all those things lead to where
you are now. And then therecord fades out with the meat that started
the record in the first place,which is obviously the person's you know,
the end of the end of theline, the expiration. There's a reason
why it's sold as many billions ofcopies as it has. It is just
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a masterpiece from start to finish.In my opinion, there's really no bad
song on the record that I cantell. It's it's a piece that works
in its entirety or separate. Imean almost I'd say half the record still
gets played regularly on rock radio,which is amazing first something that's supposed to
be such a complete piece. Sofor a person who literally had two words
written down, which was I'm notkidding you, I mean in a lot
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of periods, that is my completethoughts on the Dark side of the Moon,
I will and oh and also youshould remember this is my fifth favorite
Pink Floyd record, so that shouldtell you how I feel about the other
four. So I will pass itover. Kyle did you get a chance
to listen to the record or wereyou familiar with it before, or what's
the story on you in this record. I actually group my dad as a
big Pink Floyd fan, so Igrew up listening to a lot of Pink
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Floyd. It'd been a while sinceI listen to the entire thing a lot.
For a lot of people, it'seither like they either love or hate
Ping Floyd. There's no one between. Yeah, that's probably right. I
very much don't feel like that.I don't. It's just not my jam.
I don't like, I don't dislikePing Floyd. They definitely have their
place in music history and what they'vedone and still do the you know,
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I mean, I I respect themfor what they are. I don't go
out of my way to listen toPing Floyd beyond what I would hear on
the radio, which is, likeyou said, still pretty incredible that a
lot of other stuff is played onthe radio. But I don't. I
don't find myself going to choose thisrecord out if anything else, you know,
over anything else to listen to.Yeah, I hear that. Yeah,
it's crazy to me how much oftheir stuff still does get played on
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the radio, and it's like,uh, just very quick, like because
we talked a little bit about thelater Mattelka material, the album the two
albums after the Dark Sidemen for PingFloyd really stretch out like the Animals in
which you were here. Both havetracks on them that are like, oh,
between eleven and twenty minutes long.But what's funny is the tracks that
are radio friendly on those two records, that are like three and four minutes
apiece still regularly get played on theradio. And they probably would play the
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twenty minute song if they could,you know, get away with it.
And so it's crazy to me.And then The Wall has twenty six songs
and there's like cheez. Without namingthem, I'd say there's probably eight or
ten that still get played on theradio regularly from The Wall, which is
which again some people might be listeningto this going you're crazy. That's that
much doesn't get played here. Butthat goes back to what I said before
about we're kind of blessed with wirefhere because they do play a good amount
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of stuff like that. So yes, and like you're saying that the people,
even people who don't like Ping Floydor despise them, like, you
cannot deny the impact that they've hadoverall, because that get is still current
and being played as we speak rightnow. It's it's pretty incredible. Yeah,
if nothing else Roger wrote. WhenRoger learned how to write a universal
lyric, it was off to theraces. And I think that's why their
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stuff is so universal. Like DavidGilmore is a great guitar player, but
there's plenty of stuff that was releasedin nineteen seventy three that's still played on
the radio with great guitar players,Whereas you know, Money and Time and
Breathe are played on the radio ona regular basis. So it's not just
Dave's great guitar playing. It's uh, you know, Roger's lyric and Rick's
keys and Nick on the drums.It's it's the full, full experience that's
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what causes it. So, Michelle, you have been patiently waiting. I'm
sure you had an amazing week listeningto these two records by artists that you're
A not that big on and bhad never heard in their entirety. Why
don't we start with the Black albumand you go through your notes and let
us know what you thought. So, as you said, this was probably
my least favorite week so far,I had a struggle. Neither of these
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artists or somebody. No, no, come all right, just checking.
I just want to throw a punt. Neither of these artists or anybody that
I would ever seek out to listento. I mean, I know that
their existence is important in music ingeneral, like I do not. I'm
not saying that I don't appreciate whatthey've done, but neither of their genres
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are something that I and I It'sjust not something that I would ever on
my own accord listen to these recordson front to back. So that being
said, so it is with undergreat darrest that Michelle's shares the following thoughts
with us. I'm pretty sure thatthis was Russa's secret plan the entire time
for this was to give me tolisten to Pink Floyd. No, I
would have put well, first ofall, it would have been all Pink
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Floyd records. All eight of mychoices would have been Pink Floyd records.
But go on, So, startingwith Metallica the Black Album, I will
say that this is probably the albumthat I know. I mean, like
I don't listen to a lot ofMetallica, but this I knew a lot
of songs off of it from likejust from listening to it, like just
from the radio and it being inthe air supply. So that was It's
always nice when I ran into asong that I liked, but I like
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the way that it started. EnterSandman was a good, good way to
start the record. It definitely grabbedme and pulled me in a little bit
as much as it could, andI resisted. And then when said but
true started, I was like,wait, this is American badass. Then
I had to go play Kid Rocksversion by He who shall not be named
Yeah, and I had to listento them back to back, and then
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um, I of course I seeyou guys before I look like an idiot
on this podcast and be like,would it the same song? And U,
Kyle you said that They said theygave him right, but you can
find it on who sampled dot comas being a sample of the song.
But what I according to my research, what it actually is. Kid Rock
used his band to do to usethe same exact notes that Metallica did to
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do to do the music, andMetallica gave him permission to do so,
which is why it sounds so muchalike. Yeah, I definitely wasn't telling
it's the exact same recording, butit sounds like it's the same one.
Why you wouldn't just sample it insteadof rerecording it. But he did the
same thing when he ripped off twosongs at once for um all summer long.
When he ripped off where Wolves ofLondon and he didn't see anything,
he just rerecorded it. I don'tknow why you wouldn't just sample it because
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you're absolutely not creating anything new atthat point. But anyways, please,
dear God, let's stop talking aboutand move. I wonder if that's like
a loophole around having to pay.I assure you it is not know if
it was, let me tell youthis, if it was, if that
loophole existed, I know plenty oftalented people, and I would have rerecorded
every song I want to play onthis podcast and we would just do that.
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I didn't think about that. Still, Yeah, yeah, you still
got to get permission, opinion,everything, So it just makes no sense
that he did that. But anyways, do you have more thoughts on sad
but true or just that about that. No, No, that was just
um. I mean, the songwas just there. I was actually pretty
disappointed that I knew that it soundedlike American Badass, so I was very
up to myself. I was verysurprised when you asked me that like that.
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You immediately caught on to like,hey, this is another song by
that I don't like. That's weird. This song I don't like sounds like
another song. I don't like.Um wholer Than though just seems it's so
ragy. This album is so fastand so raging, and and I maybe
I just wasn't in the right frameof mind. I just want to say
something real quick. If this ishow this is starting off you, I
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cannot stress this enough. Never everlistened to the album before it and Justice
for All never in your entire likeif me, you and Kyle are hanging
out down here in the future andone of us pulls, and Justice for
All go for the longest smoke breakyou've ever gone in your entire life.
Because if you think this is Regieholy Cow, so anyways holier than now,
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it was Regie And you just said, why is this happening to me?
Yeah it was, which is kindof like where I was the entire
album, But that was the firstone where I was just like, why
is this so angry? And thenthe rest of the album, I mean,
I have some a couple notes.It was just kind of there.
It was all rage. It probablydidn't help my attitude while I was at
work. I just kind of wantedto smash stuff. That's where I was
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listening to it. Now, Iwill say this, that is the intended
consequence of meta. Well, okay, well then they succeeded. Yeah,
I did give Unforgiven a thumbs up. I did like that song no fires.
I didn't do any any fire emojison my track listing, just just
a side note. And again thatI want to state this has nothing to
do with the judgment of this record. One thing that bums the hell out
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of me about Unforgiven is they wentback to that well on Reload and did
a song called Unforgiven two as int OO, and it's like a harder
version of that same song. Andthen he gets to the course and he's
like, he's like, or areyou unforgiven to wah, and I'm just
like no, like no, Like, first of all, first of all,
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you have load and then the albumis called Reload, so it's like
more of Load, and then youdid more of the Black album. Literally
it was again it's just a side. No, but I do I genuinely
love the song, the original versionof Unforgiven. Yeah, I liked it.
And then nothing else matters. Ofcourse I kny of that song,
and they are I mean, likingis a stretch. I mean I gave
it two thumbs up. Isn't likethat's one of the that's the best song
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on the album to my opinion,Yeah, yeah, I could agree with
that. Go on the God thatfailed got too thumbs down and didn't It
was not one but two. SoI want to be clear. My notes
that I'm looking at right now saysthe guy that fails Comma. Great,
and your your notes says the guythat fails Comma two thumbs down. Yeah,
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yeah, not one but two.And then the rest of the album
was unremarkable for me. Um itanything in between those ones that I made
notes on it was. I wouldsay that the album flowed well. I
didn't feel like I was ever likea twid jarring stop or start. I
feel like it did give It wasa nice beginning, middle, and end,
which not allowed albums are I hadthat feeling that, like when for
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No Offenses, it felt like therewas a lot of songs that were out
of place. This one. Idid not get that feeling through the whole
records that that was one of thefew positives I found. Right, I'm
not I'm not looking for the darkside the moment. I feel like the
dark side of the Moon's going toget destroyed too. But go on,
you should probably just mute, justquit now, mute this just quick.
You should not listen and then justpick it up at the end and be
like, all right, we yeah, yeah, Well I'll find out on
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Friday with the rest of you.Oh yeah, if you throw on some
old Metallica at the gym, you'llhave ten miles under your belt before you
realize that. I don't think Iwill it just it doesn't. I'm more
of like a an eminem or awe talked about. Someone brought up Olympiscuit
the other day and break stuff.That's my like rage out music. Not
this is too much. It's toomuch. It's too much, all right,
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So the black album equals too much? About what about? What about
the dark sidon? All right?I was dreading this part of the podcast.
I feel like I've let you downeverything that you said you liked about
it. I have my notes thatlike, I don't like about it,
Okay, So, like I don'tlike the intros. I know that you
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say it tells a story, butlike the it's just like it's not very
lyrical like the couple, Like wesaid that it starts the album out with
people talking, answering the questions.And I know that you told me the
story before, but that's how theyrecorded it, and it tells a story,
and like, and I get that, but I like an album that
I can listen to each song individuallyoutside of the record and not necessarily you're
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a very big and that the recordhas to flow from, you know,
front to back, and that's theway the albums should be listened to because
that's where they constructed it. I'mnot of the same mindset, like I
can hand pick songs and put itin and I can shuffle albums all day
and it'd be fine. I feellike I couldn't do that with this record,
which is because like five songs outof it are regularly played on the
radio on their own, so that'sodd. Five out of ten. That's
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fifty percent. Yeah, the restof it is Noah, Okay, I'm
sorry. Do you have a lotof records? You know that half the
record is played regularly on the radio. Just because it's played on the radio
doesn't mean that it's good. Youjust said the problem with the record is
that you can't listen to songs individually. And my rebuttal to that was that
the half of the record is playedindividually on the radio all the time.
So I'm talking about as a wholelike that I'm judging the entire record.
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So like if I'm saying, likeI'm not listening to this record for fifty
percent of it, like fifty percentof it I liked, and then the
other fifty percent of it I waslike, I couldn't listen to this on
its own, Like I understand thathow its place in the record, But
like there's the other fifty percent,like that speak to me is not on
the radio, like it's not andI under like, I understand that it's
not supposed to be like it's ait's a lead in, right, Does
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that make sense? Okay? Solike all right, so you well go
on, you said on the runwas next to you, you were about
to have some thoughts on on therun, I have a thumbs down.
Yeah, well I think that time. Really it was worth the record starts
for me. I can see likeas soon as that song came out,
I was like, oh yeah,like this, like here's the Pink Flood,
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I know, you know, likelike now I'm into it, you
know. And then the Great Gigand the Sky was you know, it
ran right into that, and thenMoney of course, thumbs up. That's
two thumbs up, so that's good. The rest of the album it was
just kind of yeah for Money,Yeah, so um, anybody who's keeping
track, I feel like I'm givingyou notes, like how Pam has to
take on Beach Day, she takesnotes from right Michael Scott. The rest
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of the album, it was justkind of there. For me. It
wasn't very lyrical, like there's thelyrics on there are fune far between and
some of the songs and it's youknow, the songs that have no I'm
gonna go ahead and tell you that, I mean, regardless of about this
comes out, you're gonna listen tothe record again because you're not even close
to accurate, Like Money is filledwith lyrics, so is us in them?
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Any color you like is an instrumentaland then literally, brain Damage and
Clips are all lyrics. Like it'sliterally and a chorus and that's it.
Nope, Like I assure you thesethings and like, yeah, no,
okay, like you cannot like it. You just can't say things that aren't
true about it, Like you can'tjust say that the lyrics for it,
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because I was like, am Imissing something? And it's like two sentences
for a song, not evenly Nope, yes, nope, they're okay,
that's not accurate, Like that's justplaying not accurate. Like I can I
can go get the cover for theDark Sidemen and hold it up and show
you right now, which has thelyrics inside of it. There are far
more more than two lines to everysong on that record, but you're talking
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about fifty. Yeah, the firstone is just people talking. Breathe is
just nothing except for the gorgeous lyricsthat Roger Waters wrote. That's start with
breathe in the air. Yeah.Anyways, go on, You're you're more
than welcome to not like it,but to say, like, one of
the strong points in music history isRoger waters lyric really writing ability, so
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like history is not really on yourside. When you're saying that Pink Floyd
doesn't have lyrics, I didn't saythat the lyrics weren't good. No,
When you're saying that there's a smallamount of lyrics, like there, there's
a massive amount of lyrics on therecord. There are lyrics on the record,
right, So I'm guessing then youhave no thoughts on Brain Image and
Eclipse rounding out the record. Ithought Brain Image was a title track called
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Dark Side of the Moon because theysay it in the song, right,
And that was not the case.So I do like that song, but
the rest of it after that,the only song afterwards Eclipse, Yeah my
jam right now? No, okay. Us concludes a Michelle's notes on Two
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are coming to the end of this, uh this latest episode, Michelle,
do you have your judgment ready?I do? All right, here we
go. Which album is moving on? Metallica? Yeah? I figured.
Yeah, it didn't get a verygood score though, it was four out
of ten. So you rated itabout the same as you've rated most of
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the records so far. No,no, no, no, none of
the ones that one definely got aseven. Emine, I'm got a seven.
Well, what kind of a recordwould get a ten out of you?
Something I picked? Carol King gota six. That's those were all
the winners, right, yeah,so far, I think so yeah.
Yeah. So none of these albumsare something that I completely one hundred percent
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enjoy front to back. So Imean like that I would go to.
Not that I shouldn't say I didn'tenjoy it, It's just not my jam
that I would go and listen toon my own religiously, that's what I
will. I will say that Iam very surprised by how it went because
I because, well, literally Michellewas like, what what if I hate
both these albums equally? Well,I don't know, and uh, neither
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of them are my jam. Idon't know that. It was the lesser
of two Evils for me, unfortunately. And that's not to say that they
don't have their place. And Iunderstand how people like them, and I
understand that you know that they areprolific records, but I just they're not
for me. Gotcha? All right? Well, according to you, the
lesser of two Evils is moving onthis week. The Metallica the Black album
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will return in the tournament later onwhen things start to get interesting and we
start to see some of our ownchoices come up against each other. So,
having said that, we will haveanother one of these up for everybody
next week, and we're still kindof in the first round type deal.
So these are still Kyle's picks goingup against mine in this first round.
And uh, Kyle is kind ofa cheater McGhee with next week week because
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we you can't do compilation now,yep, you can't do uh compilation records.
But he entered the weekend Trilogy intothe competition for next week, which
is pretty much compilation of Weekend's firstthree records. Right, it was his
first commercially released record which happened tobe compiled of his like that they're like
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mixtapes, I guess you could say, but essentially that he put them on
the web for free or whatever whenthey first came out. Gotcha, is
it? Is it three albums worththe music? Yes? Like is it
three hours long? Yeah? Iwant to say roughly they're between forty and
an hour long each. That's cheating. Well take that into consideration, I
guess, Michelle. But having saidthat, this is it's going to be
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a battle of debut records next week, which I think is pretty cool.
It'll be the Weekend Trilogy versus PearlJam ten, which is Pearl Jam's first
record, and uh, you know, yeah, it's it's again. I'm
pretty sure that most of Pearl Jamten was playing on the radio regularly at
one point and absolutely still is.So I think it'll be at least one
of those records where you go,oh, I know the song, Oh,
(35:04):
I know the song. Whether ornot you love them is a whole
other thing, And I'm not saying, right, well, I'm not saying
this would be funny about the DarkSide of the Moon, but like more
than half the record, you wereprobably like, oh, I know the
song, but it doesn't mean thatyou're gonna love it. So you know
what, Yes, half the recordfor sure, I did know most of
those songs, and I and Ithink I knew even more than half the
record through you like I've definitely heard. Well, I'm not trying to reopen
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the Dark Side of the Moon discussionat all, Like I'm not even trying
to step down that road at all. I was just saying, like comparison
to Pearl Jam, you very much, I think are going to be like,
oh I know the song. OhI know the song, but it
remains to be seen whether or notyou'll love the song, like you didn't
go the way that way for PinkFloyd. Do you know what I'm saying,
I do, Okay. I justthe only thing I think it's neat
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because there are there's not a tonof debut records on this in this competition,
but I think there's at least threeor four. But I thought it
was interesting that two of them matchedup against each other randomly and two completely
different genres, and then we havewe're halfway, so we have four more
of new records and then yeah,four more new records and then that's when
we it'll really pair down after thatto things that like, I don't even
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I'm not looking at it right now, but I like the Carol King will
go up against what one? Iforgot what one the second record of the
second episode Aerosmith No No, Butanyways, I've got it to where the
albums will start matching up against eachother, so it'll be it'll be pretty
fun. Greatly appreciate everybody listening,taking your time to listen. Please,
by all means again, share yourthoughts with us on social media. It
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was funny with the eminem Guns n'Roses competition. There was a lot of
like voting and whatnot on social media, but nobody actually like interacted to share
their thoughts, you know. SoI'm hoping that the Pink Floyd and Metallica
fans are a lot more vocal onthis particular issue. That'd be fun.
So in any case, we alwaysgreatly appreciate you guys listening. We will
this will be out for everybody.You'll be hearing this as soon as Friday
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morning, and then over the weekendwe're going to record a new main episode
and that will be out for everybodythe following Monday. So thank you so
much for listening. Bye bye m
From the thirty three to third MusicAppreciation Center and Speak Easy. It's a
bonus episode number four of the InfectiousGroove Podcast. We are doing the bonus
extra tournament episodes, and I'm sureeverybody's used to it by now that's listened.
But Kyle and I just picked eightalbums that we like a piece.
We threw them in a tournament bracket, and right now, in the first
round, they are all his choicesare pitted against mine as we move through
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it, and Michelle decides which onesare the winner, and they move on.
Things will get interesting later on whensome of our own choices go up
against each other and so on.So it's going to be not scientific by
any stretch of the imagination, butvery fun and interesting the whole time.
So last week we had Garth Brooks'ssecond album, No of Fences go up
against led Zeppelin's fourth album, ledZeppland four, and led Zeppelin ended up
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taking that, so they will.We will circle back to led Zeppeland four
later in the tournament when who knowswhat it'll be going up against. So
this week's matchup is Metallica's fifth album, self titled The Black Album Whatever You
Want to call it this kind oflike the Beatles White Album. It's just
really doesn't have a name, versusPink Floyd's seventh album, The Dark Side
of the Moon. So, seeingas these episodes are generally a little bit
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shorter in format, we'll jump rightinto it. Kyle enlighten us about Metallica's
Black Album. It's by far it'smy favorite of their older albums. Actually,
I don't like any of their newerstuff, but my favorite of their
older albums and has jam packed withjust tons of old headbanging shit you'd want
to listen to when you're working outor want to punch a hole in the
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wall or something like that. Yeah, it's definitely a pump you up album,
that's for sure. I Mean,they switched formats like huge from the
fourth record before that. But andlike many people when they refer to like
new Metallica, and I'm using airquotes, this is the era that they
talk about, is like the Blackalbum for it is quote new Metallica.
Uh, and then uh kill ThemAll Through and Justice for All, which
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is the record before this was theuh what's considered quote unquote old Metallica.
And my thing is people get soangry about the Black album because it's so
different than what they'd done before.But in in my personal opinion, and
Justice for All is the single greatestheavy metal record ever made by anyone ever.
And once you're at the top ofthe mountain, where you supposed to
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go from there? You know,Like that's always been my defense of this
record is like, what what werethey supposed to do? Make and Justice
for All again? You know,like they had just perfected that, so
of course they're going to drop itdown to like three and four minute songs
and a lot of the fans objectedto that. But what's some of your
Oh, my favorite song off therecord is my Friend of Missouri? All
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right on? Yeah, that's actuallynear the tail end, right, Yeah,
it's just so yeah, no it'snot. It's the second last song,
I think, either the Struggle Withinor the Guy That Failed or the
last Okay, right on? Whatwhat were you going to say? Is
like nothing else matters? It likeis totally different than a lot of the
other stuff that they'd done previously.Yeah, I think that and uh,
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the Unforgiven definitely are two tracks thatdon't sound anything like they've done before,
regardless of like song length and soon. I like that they were able
to switch it up from their olderstuff and still still kick ass man like
the stuff that they put out likeway later the way newer stuff is like
to me awful, like they shipthe bed later and later, like Death
Magnetic and all those albums. Like, yeah, I cannot. I'm of
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two minds about it. I willsay, I don't know. Have you
heard the latest which is a coupleof years old now, but Hardwired a
self destruct I did not listen tothough, Okay, give that a shot.
I think you'd like it. Myproblem with Death Magnetic was Death Magnetic
to me, is what they couldhave done after and Justice for All.
Like it's four guys sitting there beinglike, let's do thrash speed metal because
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we're Metallica, you know, andthat's not the right reason to make a
record, you know what I mean? And Hardwired is that it's still that,
but I think they did it moreorganically. I don't know how to
describe it. You'll have to takea listen to it and let me know.
Well. I mean you might takeit hot garbage, but I like
it more than Death Magnetic, Let'sput it that way. Death Magnetic to
me is just it sounds forced likethey were just trying to be this it
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just trying to be this band thatfits in with all the other like hardcore
like uh, you know, speedmetal bands or whatever they're out, and
it just was not. I don'tknow, man, they really lost me
after after they started doing that kindof ship right, No, and um
geez, that could almost be awhole extra episode. Just yeah, that'll
be one where Michelle's on vacation orsomething, so it's not just Michelle sitting
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here and board listening to you andI wax poetic about I don't I don't
really agree with this album being consideredlike the new Metallica. I it was
when it came out, brother,it was when it came out like one
through five. To me is likeI grouped that and like all of the
stuff that I would prefer to listento from Metallica, and then you got,
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like you know, later on youget Load and Reload and that kind
of stuff, and I appreciate thosefor what they are. And then obviously
we just talked about the later stuffthat is not as good. But yeah,
Load and Reload are very much acontinuation of this record, at least
in my opinion, and then evenexploring with even newer sounds, and then
I think we can all agree sayingAnger is the worst thing that ever happened.
But again flashing back to this thisrecord specifically, I think it kicks
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off with two of the biggest radiohits the band had ever have and will
ever have, Sam Man and SabbaTrue. And like you said, if
if you're going to punch someone inthe face, about halfway through Sam Man
on all the way through Sabba Trueare great tracks to do that with.
Oh yeah, and Man, there'sjust that's almost like that's why I like
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My Friend of Misery so much,because it has that like the the lete
up to it, and then onceit starts going, it's just like it
all hell breaks loose. Yeah.The only issue that I have with the
record is for me, at least, there are some tracks that are just
there. And again, what I'vewhat I've done recently with this is,
in addition to Michelle like having tolisten to the records in their entirety,
I've been trying my best to reallysit down and zone in on these records
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straight through. Whether you know,if it's obviously if it's something I've never
heard before, because I'm going tospeak on it, or if it's something
like the Black album that I haven'tlistened to straight through and forever, and
there used to be songs like Holierthan Now. I used to think was
just the greatest metal song ever,and it was very much just there for
me this time, and there wasa couple other that were like that,
don't tread on me and on throughthan Ever. For me, We're just
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there. But like on either sidesof that, you know, unforgiven wherever
I'm a roam, those are monstertracks. Nothing else matters. Like you
mentioned, I think The God ThatFailed is a great cut near the end
of the record. But yeah,I mean it's it's a great record.
I just it's other than My Friendof Misery. I think it really dials
back in the second half, likeit's still heavy, but it's not.
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The songs aren't as they're just thereto me, do you see what I'm
saying. Yeah, I'd be willingto say that My Friend of Misery is
like out of place in order onthe album because, like you said,
like to me, that's a prettyheavy song and a lot of other stuff
at that end of the record isnot as heavy as what is at the
beginning of the record. Yep.It to the point where when it came
on the other night, well Ihave I have a mobile fidelity pressing of
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it, so it's at forty fiverpm and you get a lot fewer songs
per side. And I when Iwas getting to the end, I was
like, what else it's not?Oh like when I saw that song,
I was like, oh, yeah, Like, I haven't heard this in
a while, so that's I didn'tknow you had that on vinol until you
posted that picture of that, andI was like, yeah. And not
only do I have it on vinyl, I have the mobile fidelity version,
which is killer. That and Justice. I have the two, those two
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and the mobile fidelity forty five rpmpressings which are sweet. Everything else,
I just have the regular pressings ofit, but they're those two sound freaking
fantastic. What else? What elseyou got to say about the Black Album?
I overall, I think that thisalbum does a lot of speaking for
itself. It's is one of tome, one of Metallica's most iconic albums
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that they put out. Yeah,for sure, good banner and different it's
definitely iconic, you know what Imean, Like, yeah, yeah,
whether you love it or hate it, as quote unquote a diehard Metallica fan,
it's iconic and you can't deny that. Yeah. People might have been
pissed off because they changed how they'redoing changed up how they are doing things,
but that's how, you know,how bands grow over their career.
Yeah, they have to. Theydid shit the bed later on with say
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Anger and Death Magnetic, but likeit's back then, it all of all
the albums are good back then.It's just it's let's not leave out Blue
Lou the album they did with LouReed that is horrible. Let's not let's
not leave that out. But again, I'm not We're not judging the rest
of Metallica square, We're just judgingthis. So I don't mean to make
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it sound like I'm going on aboutyou know, what they did later.
So I was speaking of other albums. I didn't never knew that I liked
to listen to an orchestra and Metallicatogether until S and M came out and
I was like, holy shit,like this is awesome. Yeah. Errol
Smith kicked that off when Last ActionHero came out and they had that orchestrated
version of dream On from the MTVtenth Anniversary special, and then man after
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Errol Smith did it, everybody elseneeded to do it and to varying degrees
of success, and Metallica was absolutelyone of the bands that had success with
it. And by success, Idon't mean it sold a large number of
records. I mean it was itwas what well done, you know,
like S and M did sell well, but it was well done. There's
other orchestrated records because it seems likeeverybody needed to put one out that sold
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a ton of copies that were notgood. So at least Metallica did it
well. Moving along to my recordthis week, Pink Floyd's seventh record,
Dark Side of the Moon. Imade all these notes for the Black album
that I just shared with you,and I kid you not my notes for
Dark Side of the Moon and sayexactly this on the screen here. I
mean, like that's literally all Iwrote. Because I'm going to try real
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hard to stop myself from going onfor about an hour and a half about
this record. This is good Luck, a masterpiece, straight up masterpiece.
It's influential, it's groundbreaking. Ittakes you on a journey from the moment
that it starts till a moment thatit ends. There's so many unique things
I won't even get into about theway that they recorded, the way that
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they things were done to get thesounds that they got on the record,
and to tell the story they weretelling you to The one thing I'll stop
off at and tell you this interestingis at the very beginning when you hear
the heartbeat, and you hear thefirst voices before the guitar comes in for
a breathe, and you hear differentquotes and whatnot. You hear people all
throughout the record talking. And whatthey did with that was they put questions
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about just life and love and everythingelse. They put questions index cards,
and they got random people to comein the studio and they would just have
them read the index card and thensay their answer to the question. So
it would be like, when's thelast time you got in a fist fight?
Are you afraid of dying? Doyou think you have enough money?
You know, what's your thoughts onwar? And then people would read the
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question and they would say it allout. And then they used normal people's
thoughts on the record, and that'swhat you first hear when the when the
very first heartbeat starts at the beginningof the record, and then you hear
that through the rest of the record. But I mean it kicks off with
Breathe, which pretty much sets thetone, which is literally, I mean,
the song is about or the albumis about a journey through life and
all the ups and downs, andBreathe kicks right off and you know,
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very like the promise of a newlife and you've got your future ahead of
you. And then it immediately goesinto On the Run, which is to
me, sounds like paranoia. Likethat's what it's supposed to sound like,
is when you start to get intoreal life and real life problems and the
feelings that were around your head andwhatnot. That's what you That's what On
the Run is meant to signify,going into Time, which is just in
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my opinion, the song Time isPink Floyd firing on all so owners.
The drumming is fantastic, The keysare fantastic, both Dave and Rick.
Their harmonized vocals are superb. Thelyrics for Time are absolutely fantastic. Just
another Roger Waters brilliant song about howeverything passes by us so fast and you
always are going to make plans andif you don't act on it, then
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the time's already gone by. It'sjust just amazing. And then that's followed
up. Side one closes out withGreat Gig in the Sky, which is
a beautiful instrumental on the keys byRick Wright. I love the fact that
there's not even words for this.They just brought in Claire Tory to almost
to like a funeral wailing over thetop, which is amazing. Which side
note about that song, that's improved. She just knew the notes that they
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wanted to sing, and she laidthat out that way, And ever since
nineteen seventy three, every person who'sever saying it with Pink Floyd is just
desperately trying to live up to ClaireToy's original vocal. Kickoff side two with
Money, which again is just anotherlike cornerstone and pillar of life. Side
note about that song, it's theonly number one hit in the history of
music that's in seven five timing,which is amazing. But again, Pink
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Floyd firing on all four cylinders.The drumming is fantastic. The keys are
great. Dave's guitar work is probablythe best of the record. On that
song, Dave again singing Rogers lyricswhich straight up tell the story of you
know, basically all of life isabout getting more money, and if you
don't have money, you're left out, and if you do, then you're
you get an automatic pass and moveon. Going out of that into Us
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and Them, which again is anothergorgeous cut, not the first time and
not the last time Roger Waters willtell us about how bad war is,
but more that song focuses on howthe differences differences in society come from those
who make war and the people whobenefit from war, and it's one of
those messages that was just as timelyin nineteen seventy three as it is here
in twenty twenty, which I thinkis another huge in the plus column.
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Before the record how timeless it is. Coming out of that is a wonderful
Rickwright keyboard experiment called any Color YouLike, which was more or less the
same type of thing like swirling throughthe rest of your life. And then
the album is capped off with twosongs that represent old age with brain damage
and Eclipse reflecting back on your wholelife and how you handle things and how
(13:48):
those you know, the time,the money, and taking a moment to
breathe in, but also planning ahead, how all those things lead to where
you are now. And then therecord fades out with the meat that started
the record in the first place,which is obviously the person's you know,
the end of the end of theline, the expiration. There's a reason
why it's sold as many billions ofcopies as it has. It is just
(14:11):
a masterpiece from start to finish.In my opinion, there's really no bad
song on the record that I cantell. It's it's a piece that works
in its entirety or separate. Imean almost I'd say half the record still
gets played regularly on rock radio,which is amazing first something that's supposed to
be such a complete piece. Sofor a person who literally had two words
written down, which was I'm notkidding you, I mean in a lot
(14:35):
of periods, that is my completethoughts on the Dark side of the Moon,
I will and oh and also youshould remember this is my fifth favorite
Pink Floyd record, so that shouldtell you how I feel about the other
four. So I will pass itover. Kyle did you get a chance
to listen to the record or wereyou familiar with it before, or what's
the story on you in this record. I actually group my dad as a
big Pink Floyd fan, so Igrew up listening to a lot of Pink
(14:56):
Floyd. It'd been a while sinceI listen to the entire thing a lot.
For a lot of people, it'seither like they either love or hate
Ping Floyd. There's no one between. Yeah, that's probably right. I
very much don't feel like that.I don't. It's just not my jam.
I don't like, I don't dislikePing Floyd. They definitely have their
place in music history and what they'vedone and still do the you know,
(15:18):
I mean, I I respect themfor what they are. I don't go
out of my way to listen toPing Floyd beyond what I would hear on
the radio, which is, likeyou said, still pretty incredible that a
lot of other stuff is played onthe radio. But I don't. I
don't find myself going to choose thisrecord out if anything else, you know,
over anything else to listen to.Yeah, I hear that. Yeah,
it's crazy to me how much oftheir stuff still does get played on
(15:41):
the radio, and it's like,uh, just very quick, like because
we talked a little bit about thelater Mattelka material, the album the two
albums after the Dark Sidemen for PingFloyd really stretch out like the Animals in
which you were here. Both havetracks on them that are like, oh,
between eleven and twenty minutes long.But what's funny is the tracks that
are radio friendly on those two records, that are like three and four minutes
apiece still regularly get played on theradio. And they probably would play the
(16:04):
twenty minute song if they could,you know, get away with it.
And so it's crazy to me.And then The Wall has twenty six songs
and there's like cheez. Without namingthem, I'd say there's probably eight or
ten that still get played on theradio regularly from The Wall, which is
which again some people might be listeningto this going you're crazy. That's that
much doesn't get played here. Butthat goes back to what I said before
about we're kind of blessed with wirefhere because they do play a good amount
(16:29):
of stuff like that. So yes, and like you're saying that the people,
even people who don't like Ping Floydor despise them, like, you
cannot deny the impact that they've hadoverall, because that get is still current
and being played as we speak rightnow. It's it's pretty incredible. Yeah,
if nothing else Roger wrote. WhenRoger learned how to write a universal
lyric, it was off to theraces. And I think that's why their
(16:52):
stuff is so universal. Like DavidGilmore is a great guitar player, but
there's plenty of stuff that was releasedin nineteen seventy three that's still played on
the radio with great guitar players,Whereas you know, Money and Time and
Breathe are played on the radio ona regular basis. So it's not just
Dave's great guitar playing. It's uh, you know, Roger's lyric and Rick's
keys and Nick on the drums.It's it's the full, full experience that's
(17:15):
what causes it. So, Michelle, you have been patiently waiting. I'm
sure you had an amazing week listeningto these two records by artists that you're
A not that big on and bhad never heard in their entirety. Why
don't we start with the Black albumand you go through your notes and let
us know what you thought. So, as you said, this was probably
my least favorite week so far,I had a struggle. Neither of these
(17:38):
artists or somebody. No, no, come all right, just checking.
I just want to throw a punt. Neither of these artists or anybody that
I would ever seek out to listento. I mean, I know that
their existence is important in music ingeneral, like I do not. I'm
not saying that I don't appreciate whatthey've done, but neither of their genres
(18:00):
are something that I and I It'sjust not something that I would ever on
my own accord listen to these recordson front to back. So that being
said, so it is with undergreat darrest that Michelle's shares the following thoughts
with us. I'm pretty sure thatthis was Russa's secret plan the entire time
for this was to give me tolisten to Pink Floyd. No, I
would have put well, first ofall, it would have been all Pink
(18:22):
Floyd records. All eight of mychoices would have been Pink Floyd records.
But go on, So, startingwith Metallica the Black Album, I will
say that this is probably the albumthat I know. I mean, like
I don't listen to a lot ofMetallica, but this I knew a lot
of songs off of it from likejust from listening to it, like just
from the radio and it being inthe air supply. So that was It's
always nice when I ran into asong that I liked, but I like
(18:44):
the way that it started. EnterSandman was a good, good way to
start the record. It definitely grabbedme and pulled me in a little bit
as much as it could, andI resisted. And then when said but
true started, I was like,wait, this is American badass. Then
I had to go play Kid Rocksversion by He who shall not be named
Yeah, and I had to listento them back to back, and then
(19:06):
um, I of course I seeyou guys before I look like an idiot
on this podcast and be like,would it the same song? And U,
Kyle you said that They said theygave him right, but you can
find it on who sampled dot comas being a sample of the song.
But what I according to my research, what it actually is. Kid Rock
used his band to do to usethe same exact notes that Metallica did to
(19:29):
do to do the music, andMetallica gave him permission to do so,
which is why it sounds so muchalike. Yeah, I definitely wasn't telling
it's the exact same recording, butit sounds like it's the same one.
Why you wouldn't just sample it insteadof rerecording it. But he did the
same thing when he ripped off twosongs at once for um all summer long.
When he ripped off where Wolves ofLondon and he didn't see anything,
he just rerecorded it. I don'tknow why you wouldn't just sample it because
(19:52):
you're absolutely not creating anything new atthat point. But anyways, please,
dear God, let's stop talking aboutand move. I wonder if that's like
a loophole around having to pay.I assure you it is not know if
it was, let me tell youthis, if it was, if that
loophole existed, I know plenty oftalented people, and I would have rerecorded
every song I want to play onthis podcast and we would just do that.
(20:15):
I didn't think about that. Still, Yeah, yeah, you still
got to get permission, opinion,everything, So it just makes no sense
that he did that. But anyways, do you have more thoughts on sad
but true or just that about that. No, No, that was just
um. I mean, the songwas just there. I was actually pretty
disappointed that I knew that it soundedlike American Badass, so I was very
up to myself. I was verysurprised when you asked me that like that.
(20:37):
You immediately caught on to like,hey, this is another song by
that I don't like. That's weird. This song I don't like sounds like
another song. I don't like.Um wholer Than though just seems it's so
ragy. This album is so fastand so raging, and and I maybe
I just wasn't in the right frameof mind. I just want to say
something real quick. If this ishow this is starting off you, I
(21:00):
cannot stress this enough. Never everlistened to the album before it and Justice
for All never in your entire likeif me, you and Kyle are hanging
out down here in the future andone of us pulls, and Justice for
All go for the longest smoke breakyou've ever gone in your entire life.
Because if you think this is Regieholy Cow, so anyways holier than now,
(21:22):
it was Regie And you just said, why is this happening to me?
Yeah it was, which is kindof like where I was the entire
album, But that was the firstone where I was just like, why
is this so angry? And thenthe rest of the album, I mean,
I have some a couple notes.It was just kind of there.
It was all rage. It probablydidn't help my attitude while I was at
work. I just kind of wantedto smash stuff. That's where I was
(21:44):
listening to it. Now, Iwill say this, that is the intended
consequence of meta. Well, okay, well then they succeeded. Yeah,
I did give Unforgiven a thumbs up. I did like that song no fires.
I didn't do any any fire emojison my track listing, just just
a side note. And again thatI want to state this has nothing to
do with the judgment of this record. One thing that bums the hell out
(22:07):
of me about Unforgiven is they wentback to that well on Reload and did
a song called Unforgiven two as int OO, and it's like a harder
version of that same song. Andthen he gets to the course and he's
like, he's like, or areyou unforgiven to wah, and I'm just
like no, like no, Like, first of all, first of all,
(22:30):
you have load and then the albumis called Reload, so it's like
more of Load, and then youdid more of the Black album. Literally
it was again it's just a side. No, but I do I genuinely
love the song, the original versionof Unforgiven. Yeah, I liked it.
And then nothing else matters. Ofcourse I kny of that song,
and they are I mean, likingis a stretch. I mean I gave
it two thumbs up. Isn't likethat's one of the that's the best song
(22:52):
on the album to my opinion,Yeah, yeah, I could agree with
that. Go on the God thatfailed got too thumbs down and didn't It
was not one but two. SoI want to be clear. My notes
that I'm looking at right now saysthe guy that fails Comma. Great,
and your your notes says the guythat fails Comma two thumbs down. Yeah,
(23:15):
yeah, not one but two.And then the rest of the album
was unremarkable for me. Um itanything in between those ones that I made
notes on it was. I wouldsay that the album flowed well. I
didn't feel like I was ever likea twid jarring stop or start. I
feel like it did give It wasa nice beginning, middle, and end,
which not allowed albums are I hadthat feeling that, like when for
(23:36):
No Offenses, it felt like therewas a lot of songs that were out
of place. This one. Idid not get that feeling through the whole
records that that was one of thefew positives I found. Right, I'm
not I'm not looking for the darkside the moment. I feel like the
dark side of the Moon's going toget destroyed too. But go on,
you should probably just mute, justquit now, mute this just quick.
You should not listen and then justpick it up at the end and be
like, all right, we yeah, yeah, Well I'll find out on
(23:59):
Friday with the rest of you.Oh yeah, if you throw on some
old Metallica at the gym, you'llhave ten miles under your belt before you
realize that. I don't think Iwill it just it doesn't. I'm more
of like a an eminem or awe talked about. Someone brought up Olympiscuit
the other day and break stuff.That's my like rage out music. Not
this is too much. It's toomuch. It's too much, all right,
(24:19):
So the black album equals too much? About what about? What about
the dark sidon? All right?I was dreading this part of the podcast.
I feel like I've let you downeverything that you said you liked about
it. I have my notes thatlike, I don't like about it,
Okay, So, like I don'tlike the intros. I know that you
(24:41):
say it tells a story, butlike the it's just like it's not very
lyrical like the couple, Like wesaid that it starts the album out with
people talking, answering the questions.And I know that you told me the
story before, but that's how theyrecorded it, and it tells a story,
and like, and I get that, but I like an album that
I can listen to each song individuallyoutside of the record and not necessarily you're
(25:03):
a very big and that the recordhas to flow from, you know,
front to back, and that's theway the albums should be listened to because
that's where they constructed it. I'mnot of the same mindset, like I
can hand pick songs and put itin and I can shuffle albums all day
and it'd be fine. I feellike I couldn't do that with this record,
which is because like five songs outof it are regularly played on the
radio on their own, so that'sodd. Five out of ten. That's
(25:26):
fifty percent. Yeah, the restof it is Noah, Okay, I'm
sorry. Do you have a lotof records? You know that half the
record is played regularly on the radio. Just because it's played on the radio
doesn't mean that it's good. Youjust said the problem with the record is
that you can't listen to songs individually. And my rebuttal to that was that
the half of the record is playedindividually on the radio all the time.
So I'm talking about as a wholelike that I'm judging the entire record.
(25:48):
So like if I'm saying, likeI'm not listening to this record for fifty
percent of it, like fifty percentof it I liked, and then the
other fifty percent of it I waslike, I couldn't listen to this on
its own, Like I understand thathow its place in the record, But
like there's the other fifty percent,like that speak to me is not on
the radio, like it's not andI under like, I understand that it's
not supposed to be like it's ait's a lead in, right, Does
(26:10):
that make sense? Okay? Solike all right, so you well go
on, you said on the runwas next to you, you were about
to have some thoughts on on therun, I have a thumbs down.
Yeah, well I think that time. Really it was worth the record starts
for me. I can see likeas soon as that song came out,
I was like, oh yeah,like this, like here's the Pink Flood,
(26:30):
I know, you know, likelike now I'm into it, you
know. And then the Great Gigand the Sky was you know, it
ran right into that, and thenMoney of course, thumbs up. That's
two thumbs up, so that's good. The rest of the album it was
just kind of yeah for Money,Yeah, so um, anybody who's keeping
track, I feel like I'm givingyou notes, like how Pam has to
take on Beach Day, she takesnotes from right Michael Scott. The rest
(26:56):
of the album, it was justkind of there. For me. It
wasn't very lyrical, like there's thelyrics on there are fune far between and
some of the songs and it's youknow, the songs that have no I'm
gonna go ahead and tell you that, I mean, regardless of about this
comes out, you're gonna listen tothe record again because you're not even close
to accurate, Like Money is filledwith lyrics, so is us in them?
(27:18):
Any color you like is an instrumentaland then literally, brain Damage and
Clips are all lyrics. Like it'sliterally and a chorus and that's it.
Nope, Like I assure you thesethings and like, yeah, no,
okay, like you cannot like it. You just can't say things that aren't
true about it, Like you can'tjust say that the lyrics for it,
(27:41):
because I was like, am Imissing something? And it's like two sentences
for a song, not evenly Nope, yes, nope, they're okay,
that's not accurate, Like that's justplaying not accurate. Like I can I
can go get the cover for theDark Sidemen and hold it up and show
you right now, which has thelyrics inside of it. There are far
more more than two lines to everysong on that record, but you're talking
(28:03):
about fifty. Yeah, the firstone is just people talking. Breathe is
just nothing except for the gorgeous lyricsthat Roger Waters wrote. That's start with
breathe in the air. Yeah.Anyways, go on, You're you're more
than welcome to not like it,but to say, like, one of
the strong points in music history isRoger waters lyric really writing ability, so
(28:27):
like history is not really on yourside. When you're saying that Pink Floyd
doesn't have lyrics, I didn't saythat the lyrics weren't good. No,
When you're saying that there's a smallamount of lyrics, like there, there's
a massive amount of lyrics on therecord. There are lyrics on the record,
right, So I'm guessing then youhave no thoughts on Brain Image and
Eclipse rounding out the record. Ithought Brain Image was a title track called
(28:49):
Dark Side of the Moon because theysay it in the song, right,
And that was not the case.So I do like that song, but
the rest of it after that,the only song afterwards Eclipse, Yeah my
jam right now? No, okay. Us concludes a Michelle's notes on Two
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(29:11):
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Bonus Tournament episode of the Infectiuscrew podcasting. Luckily we took a break. There
was a bit more infighting there fora couple of seconds. Good news as
(31:22):
we took a break. But hey, if you like what you're hearing tournament
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I know Michelle and Kyle would aswell. So having said that, we
(32:06):
are coming to the end of this, uh this latest episode, Michelle,
do you have your judgment ready?I do? All right, here we
go. Which album is moving on? Metallica? Yeah? I figured.
Yeah, it didn't get a verygood score though, it was four out
of ten. So you rated itabout the same as you've rated most of
(32:29):
the records so far. No,no, no, no, none of
the ones that one definely got aseven. Emine, I'm got a seven.
Well, what kind of a recordwould get a ten out of you?
Something I picked? Carol King gota six. That's those were all
the winners, right, yeah,so far, I think so yeah.
Yeah. So none of these albumsare something that I completely one hundred percent
(32:50):
enjoy front to back. So Imean like that I would go to.
Not that I shouldn't say I didn'tenjoy it, It's just not my jam
that I would go and listen toon my own religiously, that's what I
will. I will say that Iam very surprised by how it went because
I because, well, literally Michellewas like, what what if I hate
both these albums equally? Well,I don't know, and uh, neither
(33:15):
of them are my jam. Idon't know that. It was the lesser
of two Evils for me, unfortunately. And that's not to say that they
don't have their place. And Iunderstand how people like them, and I
understand that you know that they areprolific records, but I just they're not
for me. Gotcha? All right? Well, according to you, the
lesser of two Evils is moving onthis week. The Metallica the Black album
(33:37):
will return in the tournament later onwhen things start to get interesting and we
start to see some of our ownchoices come up against each other. So,
having said that, we will haveanother one of these up for everybody
next week, and we're still kindof in the first round type deal.
So these are still Kyle's picks goingup against mine in this first round.
And uh, Kyle is kind ofa cheater McGhee with next week week because
(34:00):
we you can't do compilation now,yep, you can't do uh compilation records.
But he entered the weekend Trilogy intothe competition for next week, which
is pretty much compilation of Weekend's firstthree records. Right, it was his
first commercially released record which happened tobe compiled of his like that they're like
(34:20):
mixtapes, I guess you could say, but essentially that he put them on
the web for free or whatever whenthey first came out. Gotcha, is
it? Is it three albums worththe music? Yes? Like is it
three hours long? Yeah? Iwant to say roughly they're between forty and
an hour long each. That's cheating. Well take that into consideration, I
guess, Michelle. But having saidthat, this is it's going to be
(34:42):
a battle of debut records next week, which I think is pretty cool.
It'll be the Weekend Trilogy versus PearlJam ten, which is Pearl Jam's first
record, and uh, you know, yeah, it's it's again. I'm
pretty sure that most of Pearl Jamten was playing on the radio regularly at
one point and absolutely still is.So I think it'll be at least one
of those records where you go,oh, I know the song, Oh,
(35:04):
I know the song. Whether ornot you love them is a whole
other thing, And I'm not saying, right, well, I'm not saying
this would be funny about the DarkSide of the Moon, but like more
than half the record, you wereprobably like, oh, I know the
song, but it doesn't mean thatyou're gonna love it. So you know
what, Yes, half the recordfor sure, I did know most of
those songs, and I and Ithink I knew even more than half the
record through you like I've definitely heard. Well, I'm not trying to reopen
(35:25):
the Dark Side of the Moon discussionat all, Like I'm not even trying
to step down that road at all. I was just saying, like comparison
to Pearl Jam, you very much, I think are going to be like,
oh I know the song. OhI know the song, but it
remains to be seen whether or notyou'll love the song, like you didn't
go the way that way for PinkFloyd. Do you know what I'm saying,
I do, Okay. I justthe only thing I think it's neat
(35:46):
because there are there's not a tonof debut records on this in this competition,
but I think there's at least threeor four. But I thought it
was interesting that two of them matchedup against each other randomly and two completely
different genres, and then we havewe're halfway, so we have four more
of new records and then yeah,four more new records and then that's when
we it'll really pair down after thatto things that like, I don't even
(36:08):
I'm not looking at it right now, but I like the Carol King will
go up against what one? Iforgot what one the second record of the
second episode Aerosmith No No, Butanyways, I've got it to where the
albums will start matching up against eachother, so it'll be it'll be pretty
fun. Greatly appreciate everybody listening,taking your time to listen. Please,
by all means again, share yourthoughts with us on social media. It
(36:31):
was funny with the eminem Guns n'Roses competition. There was a lot of
like voting and whatnot on social media, but nobody actually like interacted to share
their thoughts, you know. SoI'm hoping that the Pink Floyd and Metallica
fans are a lot more vocal onthis particular issue. That'd be fun.
So in any case, we alwaysgreatly appreciate you guys listening. We will
this will be out for everybody.You'll be hearing this as soon as Friday
(36:52):
morning, and then over the weekendwe're going to record a new main episode
and that will be out for everybodythe following Monday. So thank you so
much for listening. Bye bye m
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