July 10, 2023 • 34 mins
It's back! We are doing our first ever re-release of a very popular series of episodes from our past. Join Michelle, Kyle & Russ as we rip through a very exciting album tournament. Kyle picked 8 albums for the tournament and so did Russ, bringing the grand total of albums to 16. Each week, Kyle & Russ state their case for why they're cjosen album should win, then Michelle picked the winner.
Some music giants are among those chosen for battle: Aerosmith, Beach Boys, Carole King, Eminem, Fleetwood Mac, Garth Brooks, Guns N' Roses, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, Michael Jackson, Pearl Jam, Pink Floyd, Prince, Silversun Pickups, The Weeknd and more square up over the course of the tournament.
Settle in, listen up and check out these bonus episodes over 16 weeks! It's the first re-release, trip down memory lane with your favorite podcast, the Infectious Grove Podcast!
Some music giants are among those chosen for battle: Aerosmith, Beach Boys, Carole King, Eminem, Fleetwood Mac, Garth Brooks, Guns N' Roses, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, Michael Jackson, Pearl Jam, Pink Floyd, Prince, Silversun Pickups, The Weeknd and more square up over the course of the tournament.
Settle in, listen up and check out these bonus episodes over 16 weeks! It's the first re-release, trip down memory lane with your favorite podcast, the Infectious Grove Podcast!
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Hey there, it's bonus episode numberfive of the Infectious Groove Podcast. We're
doing this tournament here and we arefive rounds in now. Higham Russ with
me as always as Michelle and Kylefor those of you who have been listening.
For those of you who we Kyleand I both picked eight albums that
we like a lot. We're goingto defend each of those albums. Each
week. Michelle decides which one moveson, and then we'll keep circling back
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until we have a winner. Lastweek, Metallica's Black Album went up against
Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, and Michelle decided that Metallica's Black Album
was the winner, so we'll circleback to that later in the tournament.
We're actually going to get into thoselayers here in a little bit, so
that'll be cool. We've got anotherthree episodes after this till we get into
when albums that have moved on startfacing each other, so they'll be pretty
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sweet. Having said that, thisweek the matchup is the Weekend Trilogy,
which is kind of a reissue ofhis first three independent records in one package.
Versus Pearl Jam's first album ten,which was their date you, but
a lot of members of Pearl Jamwe're in other successful bands prior to coming
together for that one debut. Sohaving said that, we'll do what we
always do, I will pass itoff to Kyle and talk to us about
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the Weekend Trilogy. Wait, canI say one thing? Yeah? I
just want you both to know thatcurrently it is even Steven. It's a
dead heat over here. So y'allgot to really convince me, because I
don't want to spoil anything. Butyeah, you don't want to spoil anything,
but you're going to spoil it andsay it's even, well, I
can't. I can't let it beeven. So I'm just saying I'll let
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you my note my thoughts afterwards,but you guys got to really sell it.
No, nice? All right,Kyle, you ready to talk about
the Weekend Trilogy? I'm always readyto talk about you know, we always
talk about debut albums from people,And though this is not, this is
his first commercial album, consisting ofthree separate buddies of work that he put
out on the internet for free.Previously that and this is what initially got
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me hooked on the Weekend before itcame out as a three disc set or
whatever. But holy shit, it'ssomething andy and in my personal opinion,
you need to listen to it likeall the way through because it tells a
story like most, like a lotof albums do. It tells a story.
But like if you kind of bouncearound, I like to listen to
it all the way through. Um, you can definitely bounce around and listen
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to you know, whatever song thatyou song you fancy. Um. Yeah,
when you say all the way through, you mean from disc one all
the way through the end of discthree. No disc one to the end
of disc one, just two,No, I know, but I mean
like you're starting, like you're notjust talking about each each disc has to
be front to back, like you'retalking about all three discs in order.
Uh No, most of his albumsare concept albums. So like on the
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first album, I wouldn't listen totrack ten instead of starting at track one,
I would start with one and goall the way through. But it
would just just pick the second recordon its own when not listen to one
or three. Yeah, yeah,okay, go on. There are just
so many Um, I mean,I want to say on the third album
in this series, Echoes of Silence, there is a rendition of Dirty Diana,
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and it's awesomely different than Michael Jackson'sversion. Disc one. There's high
for this House of Balloons, GlassTable Girls, the Morning, Wicked Games,
the Party in the After Party,Like I could listen to this ship
all the way through, all thetime. It's badass. And initially giving
away all three of these for free, not at the same time. Obviously,
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they came out over a period oftime. I'm probably like over a
period of like maybe a year orsix months or something like that initially.
But being able to reissue something,get distribution through a major label, and
then have people go back and buythe exact same music that they got for
free is definitely something that not everybodyI don't think could achieve. Yeah,
for sure. We'll move on tomy notes. I will say, how
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do I start this? Well,first things First, I'd never heard this
record prior to this, like notone song off of this, So I
took I did my due diligence.I listened to it straight through, straight
through the first time. Then Itried what you said I did. I'd
listened to it like in pieces.I listened to like one part on its
own in the next part. ThenI listened to the entire thing again,
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and I will say I wanted tolike this record way more than I did,
and I was kind of surprised atit, Like, for example,
you mentioned House of Balloons. Forme, the first dist doesn't even start
till that song, Like the firsttwo tracks at least to me, brought
nothing to the table, and thenHouse of Balloons hit and I was like,
Oh, okay, we're going totake a ramp up, and then
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I don't know, just over thecourse of the rest of the set,
like Life of the Party and theParty and After Party. I liked a
lot of the birds. One Ilike Valerie, I thought was a strong
ballad. The only thing I haveunder Dirty Diana, because that took me
surprise when I first listened to it, because it's just listened as a DD
and I had no idea that itwas a cover of Michael. The only
thing I have listed is Dirty Diana. Space took odd liberties, so I
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didn't like the changes that he tookwith that song. Overall, my thoughts
wore were that the album for mewas entirely too atmospheric. I could see
being an a certain mood and puttingit on. I don't know. I
just I wanted the whole There wasa track called Montreal that I thought was
one of the most strong tracks onthe record. I wanted after my third
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listen, I wrote down that Iwanted the whole record to be more like
Montreal, and then I listened toafter hearing it three times. In sequence,
I jumped around some tracks and everytime I kept wishing that I was
listening to Montreal. So that's howI how I felt about it. Do
you have any questions for maanel SisMichelle, I do not go on I
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will I will say that this Sothis is what drew me into the Weekend
Initially, the way that sounds thecreepy, eerie like it's just very like
weird and not like a lot ofthe stuff that you would hear commercially.
And and since this album, well, mostly everything that everyone has heard from
the Weekend has been giant commercial stuff. I mean, he's a huge artist
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now right, and it's his musicnowadays is way way different than anything that
has come off of that album.Yeah. Well, I mentioned on the
Pink Floyd episode that The Dark Sideof the Moon was their seventh record and
I very much feel like Pink Floydtook the first six records to become good
enough to be the band to makethe Dark Side of the Moon. So
to both of you, I willsay that if you didn't like The Dark
Side of the Moon, you shureshell shouldn't listen to the sixth They were
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practicing at to get there. Soit might very well be the same thing
with The Weekend that maybe his laterstuff is more what I would be getting
into. And I'm not writing offby any means. I'm not even writing
the record off. It's just wasthis is my initial take on it.
So it's I think that a lotof people would feel the same way that
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you do because they're so used tothe Weekend that they know now, so
it's weird to go back and listento what he came from. And in
twenty eighteen he put out it's likea six track EP called My Dear Melancholy,
and it like, I don't knowif they were old songs that came
from that time when he recorded likethe trilogy stuff, or if it was
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new stuff and he was trying tosound like the old hymn, but it
was very it's very much like thatsame style but he originally started with which
is what he said, very verydifferent than where anything that is out now.
I mean, having no idea myself, just hearing you describe it,
I would be surprised if that's notexactly the story this older material, it
was reworked or rereleased. That's happeneda lot lately, Like Nathaniel Ratelift that
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happened with after the debut came outwith The Night Sweats, they reissued the
one before that and so on,So that happens a lot. For my
thoughts on Pearl Jam ten, it'sa perfect album. I mean it just
is Once is again a hell ofa way to start the record. Even
Flow is a monster hit. Itcomes perfectly out of the track before it
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Alive it's another monster hit that comesout of that. I like Why Go
a great deal, but it's notquite as hooky as even Flow and Alive.
But what Why Go does is itsets up perfectly for the record to
slide into Black, which is reallylike the first ballad on the record.
I don't even know if you cancall Black a ballad, but for lack
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of a better term, and it'ssuch an emotional song. Black as it's
just it's really, really, reallygorgeous song full of emotion. Jeremy,
I think is a really important song. I mean, yeah, it was
a mega hit, but it's avery important songs dealing with child abuse and
bullying at school. Like, ofcourse, child abuse has been talked about
for decades, but bullying at schoolsreally hasn't been anything that people have talked
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about a lot until the last coupleof years. And this was something Pearl
Jam was preaching about on their firstrecord back in nineteen ninety one. I
think side two is absolutely perfect.It's devoid of hits per se, but
it's got a lot of fan favoriteson it. Again, Ocean coming after
Jeremy is almost like a reset ofthe record, Like from a flow perspective,
it's almost like a reset of afterlike all the turbulence that's on Jeremy
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is all very calm down and reflectiveon Oceans, and then Porch is just
another one where it's very fiery,very emotional. Garden is one of my
all time favorite Pearl Jam songs.Just beautiful, beautiful lyrics and again all
five members of the band firing onAll Cylinders. Release might be my favorite
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Pearl Jam song of all time,the last song on the record, and
actually the first time I ever sawPearl jamming concert. They opened with Release,
and I went into that show justhoping that they would play it,
And then as soon as the lightswent down and you could hear the guitar
of that starting, I was like, Oh, this is the greatest night
ever, and then it went onto be just a hell of a night
from there. My biggest case thatI can make for ten is that you
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can hear the emotion, pain,and feeling that went into every single instrument,
the drumming, the bass, bothguitar parts, Eddie's singing. His
lyrics are sometimes intelligible at times dueto his vocal delivery, but even when
you can't hear exactly what Eddie's saying, you can absolutely feel the emotion in
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what he's saying because of how he'sdelivering it. And to me, I'm
a huge lyric guy, and thatstill matters more to me than like hearing
the emotion in the delivery matters morethan to me than what he's actually saying.
So those are my thoughts on PearlJam ten. What what do you
think? It is a monster record. And I literally cannot disagree with really
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anything that you said. Yeah,oh, but I didn't mean that,
Like yep, I just met thatis in like a conversational typeway. Yeah,
the entire thing. It's just ait's a monster record. And I
think that many many of the songson this album are what people know of
Pearl Jam. A lot of thesongs they play on the radio like there,
it's very very mainstream. And Iwas at what is the MoPOP Museum
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in Seattle and they had a hada Pearl Jam exhibit going on. I
don't know if it goes on allthe time, but whatever, and you
know, you're able to see likethere any of there's notebooks of lyrics and
like all this shit, and Iwas like, oh my god, like
this is amazing. And it definitelytranscends back into when they were making that
album. A lot of the stuffthere is from when they were making this
album. Yeah, and it's uh, it's it's awesome. And like I
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mentioned earlier, although this is realquick, although this is Pearl jams first
record, a lot of the guyswere regularly in bands around Seattle and whatnot,
so they knew their way around afret board and you know, definitely
knew their way around constructing songs andwhatnot. And I think that lends itself
well to how strong of a debutit is. But what were you going
to say, Michelle? I wasgonna say, so you agree with Russ
then, so like there's no akid I Eddie Vedder has a special place
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in my heart. I can't Ican't knock him or that record if I
actually think that it's a good record. So yes, I grew interesting and
there was. What's funny is Ihad a hard time with taking my notes
in the weekend because you might ifyou remember the first couple of rounds in
the tournament, the first couple ofepisodes, if you go back and listen,
like Michelle, you almost have tokeep reminding me, like, you
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know, you're not trying to sellKyle's record, right, you know,
Like I've very much been the sameway. And I had a hard time
with my weekend notes because I didn'twant to be like, oh, I'm
just gonna, you know, sayall this bad stuff about this record.
But these were my honest thoughts aboutthe record. And I can't stress enough
I don't think it's a bad albumat all. I mean, I'm I
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love atmospheric music. I just don'tfor me at this point with the record,
I don't feel like everything flows togetherexactly right. And I know there's
extenuating circumstances. You know that itwas done independently and and so on,
But for the purposes of this particularmatchup, I do firmly believe that ten
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is A is a much more polishedeffort. I think there's a lot more
emotion in it. It's very muchone of those records that in many ways
is the soundtrack to a lot ofpeople's lives. And then as an aside,
I think it's great that it's notjust and I don't want to demean
this, but we'll take a liveAlive is about Eddie Vetter's issues with his
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father growing up, right, andI don't want to demean that. But
like then you two or three songslater, you have Jeremy, which is
like about such a broad subject thatit's taken twenty thirty years since that record
come out for anybody else to recognizethat, like bullying in schools as a
problem, you know, even withas monster of a head as that was
in the video. I don't knowif you've ever seen the video on Michelle,
but it's a very, very verymoving video and it had it Let's
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put it this way, the lineJeremy spoke in class today, it's reflective
of Jeremy, of the situation resultingin violence and death in the classroom.
And this was something that they hadrecorded in nineteen ninety one. It recorded
probably in ninety one, was releasedin ninety one, had an enormous video
that very much makes the point ofwhat occurred in the classroom. And you
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know, it was still twenty pluscoming up on thirty years later, we're
still it's just now a thing peopleare talking about. That's my thoughts on
it. So it would you saythat you're more of a fan of the
more commercial, newer weekend stuff versuswhat you listen to on Trilogy. I
will throw this out there and whomeverlistens to the show can cave my head.
And for this, up until Ilistened to the Trilogy, the only
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song I'd ever heard by the endwas his. I would assume his biggest
hit, Um, I can't feelmy face? Is that what it's called?
Oh yeah, yeah, Okay,there's been a lot now, but
yeah, that's one of his mainLike and I dig that song, but
no, not at all, Likeand it can't It's hard for me to
describe. I don't dislike this record. I think I'm looking at it from
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a stance of like this verses ten, Like if you were to take me
out of this situation and say,let's just listen to the trilogy, then
I would probably have a different overallopinion of it, Like if you're going
to throw it, like, youknow how my basement set up, so
actually plug for Frank's channel. Everybodygot to see how the thirty three and
a third is set up. I'mall about throwing out an atmospheric stuff and
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having a drink and whatever. ButI think it's just when it's when it's
going head up against this one recordis when I was looking for flaws.
Isn't the right phrase, but Iwas kind of looking at it like for
the dissecting each track strength and weaknessesfor the purposes of the tournament. Does
any of that makes sense? Yeah? Yeah, I was just curious because
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a lot of people don't know.Is the Weekend originally a long time ago
he went underneath the name of thenoise, and he put out he had
like an EP that he put outthat just put out on the internet as
like a trying to get a feelfor people are gonna like dig my music
or whatever. And it's very verypoppy and commercial sounding. No one,
it never really went anywhere. Andthen he took on the weekend persona and
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then did all that weird, atmosphericlike creepy music, and then his career
exploded, and then now he's kindof back to the poppy and poppy,
you know, radio stuff, andso it goes with so many artists.
Yeah, you know, I mean, it is what it is. You
know that I just spoke to youguys the other week, and we don't
need to get into it right now. But there's a certain artist that I'm
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very scared their next project is goingto be an all pop record. And
I don't have any problem with popmusic. I own a ton of pop
music. I think there's a timeand a place for it. But when
an artist is doing a certain thing, I like it when they stay more
true to them show themselves. SoI'm not at all discounting pop music by
any stretch of the imagination. Imean, I'm a person who proudly owns
the seven inch and twelve inch singlefor Easy Lover by Phil Collins and Philip
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Bailey. So I am not,in any way, shape or form getting
on a high horse about pop music. So Michelle, let's hear your thoughts
first on the weekend. Oh goody, So let me pull out my notes.
You don't seem to be dreading thisas much as you were the Metallica
and pain Floid situation. So no, And the only reason I was dreading
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it is because I don't have arule. I didn't have a ruling.
Like I literally went into this andI was like, oh, did you
for the listeners at home? Didyou catch that? She said, I
didn't have a ruling. Sounds likesomeone's made up her mind. Share your
notes. If we were doing runningcommentary on the podcast, it'd be like,
did you see that? That's whereMichelle said. So I split up
listening to the trilogy over the threedays, so listen to one record each
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day because I wanted to make sureI got it all. I feel like
listening to it in three hours inone sitting and just listening to it,
I wouldn't. I would have tunedout at some point. So yeah,
not to cut you off, butit should be listened to in three segments.
Yeah, that's not not even knowingthat from you, Kyle. That's
why I tried it a couple ofdifferent ways myself. Yeah, not to
be an asshole, but I havethe attention span to listen to three hours
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of music in a row. AndI thought it was three hours. It's
two hours and thirty nine it.So I did it. I did it
that way just to do it,just because I didn't want to get on
here and go I split it upand have Kyle be like, no,
you're supposed to you know what Imean. So I tried it one way
and I tried it the other way, just so I was prepared for however,
you're supposed to listen to it,so anyway, so you split it
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up over three days. I did, and I, unlike you, Russ,
I thought that um high for thiswas a great start to the record,
and I did not like House ofBalloons. It was actually I gave
it a thumbs doumb on my list, which I know I'm pretty sure that
is Kyle, that's the song Iwas listening to, and you texted me
from upstairs and was like this isoh yeah, I woke up to hearing
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you play that in the basement.I was like, ah, yes,
I love this, and I waslike this is bad thumb. I swear
to God. And I know I'mbeing funny right now, but if this
podcast gets big enough one day,like we end up with enough supporters,
I'm absolutely gonna make T shirts.That is like Michelle gave me a thumbs
down, you know, like youknow down. People were it as a
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bad amountor so anyway, so youlike first track, house Balloons not so
much, go on not so much. The rest of that album for me
was there, like it was thewhole I should say, all three discs,
records whatever you want to call them, were a lot of the same,
which is why which is detrimental.Yeah, But the thing is I
didn't hate it though, so likeit was a lot of the same,
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so I have it was three recordsthat were a lot of the same,
So I the rest of the recordwas there for me. I didn't love
it. I didn't hate it.It was more like, um, what
did you what did you call it? The kind of music it was atmospheric?
Yeah, yeah, it was exactlythat. For me. Um.
And then when on the second day, Life of the Party was I didn't
love some much the first track inthe second record, it didn't really start
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back up again for me into Lifeof the Party, yeah, which I
noted the same thing for me.Yeah. And then I did like the
Birds part one and Part two,which I that was about it for that.
That record was just those three songsthat I was like, yeah,
they stand out to me, andthe rest of it was just like very
much there. So not to cutyou off, but the reason that um,
a lot of it sounds the sameis he was working with the same
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producer for all of those three records, and he didn't like branch out and
work with anybody else. I don'tthink most of them are all done by
the same person or the same teamof people. Yeah, so that's why
that's why it's all like cohesively soundsvery similar. Yeah, And like I
said, I don't hate that,but there was nothing that like other than
a couple tracks on each record.I was like, this is just more
of the same, and it's fine. I would say Disc three was my
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favorite overall. I do like that. I did really like the cover of
Dirty Diana it was probably my favoriteof the entire trilogy, which I don't
think you know to cover, butI did. Really, I've heard it
before and I didn't think it wasbad by any stretches, just a you
know how critical I am of coversin the first place, and then the
cover Michael, and so that's whyI didn't have anything bad wrote. I
just put I thought he took someodd liberties with it. Yeah, And
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I did really like Montreal, andI just felt like the entire third record
it was more I don't want tosay cohesive, but it was just it
was more of what I was into, right, But out of all three
overall, I did really like therecord, so like it was all three
of them, and um, Ijust there was nothing that stood out to
me as being like an exceptional JammyJam. It was just all like I
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prefer the song over this one,and like it was just all there.
So I didn't hate it at all. Um, I liked it. It
just was there though, gotcha allright? Moving on to uh Pearl Jam's
debut effort, Pearl Jam Pearl Jamnot arim correct um Once it was just
an okay start to the record forme. I was hoping for a little
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bit more like I've heard most ofthese songs before, but never front and
back and yeah, and so Idid. I don't dislike the song,
but I just expected. I don'tknow what I expected. We've had a
lot of albums on here that thefirst track is just dynamite, and so
that's what I've been looking for.Actually a lot of times, like how
does this work? I feel likeit says the entire mood right, It
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didn't now that it didn't set themood. It just wasn't as strong as
I was hoping it would be.Um even Flow Alive Black, those were
all um jams. I damn it. I love Black, like I truly.
There's not a song on the recordI dislike, but Black is such
an emotional, perfect jam. Yeah. I very much enjoyed Black. Um.
And then it runs right into Jeremy, which is also a jam.
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UM. I really did like Deepas well, and Release I did like
it, but then it has thisthat weird after which was it's not my
jam. I was like, Iliterally thought the record had stopped and it
was playing a different song, likebecause I was like, I knew it
was the last song, and Iwas listening to it and I was like,
who is it playing now? Likewhat is going on? And I
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was like, oh, it's thesame song. It's not it's not even
really the same song on streaming.It's part of release, but it's just
kind of like a coda to therecord. Release ends, and then there's
just that like, yeah, that'swhy I thought it was something else that
started playing it. I'm just sayingwhat's going on right now. I'm just
saying, don't discount release over that, because that's a months or monthster way
to end the record. Yes,So overall, um, there was nothing
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that I hated on the record,just like on the weekend there was.
I did I like the vibe alittle bit more. I would feel like,
I guess defends all kind of moodI'm in, Like it definitely isn't
like atmospheric like sit down, sure, chill out kind of mood. Well,
I would say that it can bein certain parts like I think oceans
and parts of deep and releasing GardenGarden for sure can lend itself all the
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songs I didn't really like, butwell, no, and what's what's interesting
to me though, is that that'swhat I'm saying about we're talking about the
Weekend being atmospheric overall, and youdidn't so much love all of that,
And that's the parts of ten thatyou didn't love are the parts that are
atmospheric. Yeah, and I guessoverall, I'm not a huge Curl Jam
fan to begin with, Um,not that I'm oh, don't say the
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Weekend the woman who who continually can'ttell them apart from RM, you're not
a huge fan, are Yeah?They're just there for me sure like I
don't ever seek them out. Andit was nice to sit down and listen
to a whole record, um like, just I guess the Weekend was the
same as well, Like I neverhave went out and to listen to a
record from the Weekend front to back, and I never like, I just
like the singles. I spread thesame thing with Pearl Jam like, I
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like all the singles that are onthe radio, but I don't ever seek
them out. I don't put themon a playlist, I don't ever do
anything with them. They're just kindof there for me. Sure so well,
hopefully throughout this tournament we changed thatand yeah, things things become you
Jammy Jam. Okay, So thosewere your notes? Are you ready to
make a ruling? Now? Iknow there was some there was some question
earlier, So all right, sheis, I will take you, take
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of the argument. Hopefully folks haveheard at least some of both of these
records. We are ready to getinto the nasty business that we always get
into at the end of the showvery quickly, as I always do.
I want to remind everybody that listensto the show that if you want to,
if you're so inclined, you cango to Anchor dot Fm, slash
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one dollar a month. And wevery much appreciate everybody who supports us so
far, and we thank you.Yeah, we would. We have some
cool things lined up that we're gonnapop off just as soon as we get
just a scach more support. SoI just wanted to mention that getting back
into the business. Michelle, areyou in fact ready to do your ruling.
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I'm just kidding, Yeah, Iam. Here comes in the court
of Michelle. Who do you findto be the record? Moving on Pearl?
Damn? I kid you not.And I'm not saying this would be
funny. Nobody nobody watching this canuh see me? Obviously you two can.
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I'm not being funny. I'm sweatingright now, like I was literally
sweating that decision, like what youknow, turn of phrase, like,
oh, I was really sweating thatone. I four reel right now,
am sweating. Tell us a littletell us a little bit about your your
reasoning, Michelle. So they bothgot five out of ten, which I'm
sure it's going to make a lotof people. Man, So you spread
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joy wherever you go with us.I literally today just fielded another text that
if I show it to you onmy phone right now, takes up an
entire your screen because someone someone Iknow is behind by about three or four
episodes and uh and I and allI could do was reply with, oh,
man, you're gonna be real andhappy. But you know what we're
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looking We're looking for interaction and we'relooking for fun and as long as people
take yeah, absolutely so in anycase, you you gave, you gave
The Weekend five out of ten andPearl Jam ten, one of the most
celebrated rock records of all time thatwas heavily involved in the entire movement of
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the music industry from one format toanother. By why don't you believe in
sales numbers? Michelle, I'd liketo tell you something. Not only did
that this decision has hurt my heartpersonally, but beyond that, those three
albums are the three albums that makeup the trilogy. Independently, they were
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downloaded eight million times on the Internetbefore they became commercially available, which is
why they were why they were ableto get the commercial distribution that they're allowed
to have. Michelle, can Ianswer for you, because I'm pretty sure
I know what you're gonna say,not by me. Well, I was
gonna say, uh not that thiswould have changed the ruling, But you
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could have mentioned any of that beforehand. You just thought you had it in
the bag. You're just like,it's fine, it's fine. So my
heart is so hurt by a fivefor ten. It's not even funny you
gave the GA you gave ten halfof its title as a rating. I
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was just gonna stop telling you whatmy ratings are. I feel like it
just makes you man sure. Soso let's get into it a little bit.
What like you don't I mean,you shared your notes on both records
already, Like what is it?I guess what is it that put if
they're in a dead heat and they'refifty five each, what is it that
put ten over the edge? Sooverall I had the same feelings that not
same. I felt similarly that Estherrust did that even I felt similarly as
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rusted about the weekend. I'd justfeel like it's a lot of the same.
And it's not that it's bad,It just it doesn't need to be
three records in my opinion, LikeI understand that why it is, but
like it's just three records that couldhave been released or cut down into one
in my opinion or two. I'llsay this, I am looking forward to
breaking back into it under different circumstances, if that makes sense. Yes,
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Like there were very they both recordshad highlights on them. None of them
had any stinkers, Like there wasno stinkers. I want every pressing of
like because I'm sure I'm sure eventuallythey're going to Repress Trilogy on vinyl.
I want badly for it to belike, have a hype sticker that's like
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features this, this and this,four Stars Pitchfork, No stinkers Michelle hey
Man. Hey Man, when youwhen you unwrap that vinyl, make sure
you keep that hype sticker. Ohyou like to keep your hype stickers?
Well, yeah, this has thequote about having no stinkers on Holy Cow,
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so no stinkers out either. Um, before wasn't my favorite. It
was my least favorite of all three. But I wasn't like this song is
awful where I've saw I thought thaton other records before you would not use
a poop emoji to describe it asit was not a stinker. I did
not, Yes, I would notuse that. So overall, I just
felt like, I do think thatlength had something to do with it.
I do feel like the time.Yeah, Front to Back was a better
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composed album. Ten you're saying,what did I say? No, I'm
saying that's the overall I call it. Well, let me put it this
way. If I'm hosting and listeningto you direct and I got a little
bit confused as what exactly you weresaying. Then I'm sure other people were,
so I wanted to clarify. Inthe end, you thought the overall
package of ten was slightly better thanbut they both received a five out of
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five on the Michelle Scale. Holycow, five out of ten. All
right, Well, like I say, you know, I'm excited that end
one, but again I'm not,you know, I really if nothing else
out of this for me, comesanother record that I can dig into more
in with the trilogy, Yeah,well comes next week. I'm excited.
Did you First? I was goingto say, um, if anyone cares
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to not listen to the trilogy,you can go online and find each individual
or each record individually, and trilogyis. They're all mixed and mastered way
when they were when they were.Hear the the rough cut like rough shit
that originally came out versus the masteredstuff on the or the remastered stuff on
trilogy. Yeah, it was importantto me to hear the end products.
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So I did listen to it onSpotify. But I googled because you had
previously said it was three separate pieces, so I googled, like where those
begun and end? So I couldknow that, you know, for listening
to it in pieces, but yeah, that'd be interesting too to go back
to listen to the independent versions.To answer your question, Michelle, Oh
boy, next week starts what Ithink, three weeks in a row of
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paying death and destruction for you,because it's just three it's three weeks of
great albums going front to back.So next week you have an album from
twenty nineteen going against an album fromnineteen sixty six. You have Dermott Kennedy
without Fear from twenty nineteen going upagainst an album some people have heard of
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called pet Sounds by the Beach Boys. So yeah, and it trust me
when I tell you it doesn't getany easier for you from here, Like
I have the bracket, and it'sjust gonna get harder from here. But
I do feel like we're gonna startinching up over scores of five or more.
Yes here, I can already tellyou that both those records without even
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like I've heard them, and theyboth rate more than five. So like,
no, I'm gonna have to sitdown and listen to them side by
side to even Like, of allof Brian Wilson's accomplishments, just the fact
that he knows Pet Sounds got automaticover five for you, is that's gotta
that's gotta be something he's very proudof. It's gotta go up there with
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the Hall of Fame. And havea question, is the Dermot Kennedy album
the newest album on the bracket?No eminem music? Yeah, okay,
yeah, okay. So I thinkthis is by far the biggest gap we
have on the tournament though, betweenthe album releases though, and it's going
to be a great, great competition. Oh yeah, feeling yea from here,
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from here out, things are gonnaget It's only gets harder from here
because the next three are very hardfor you to judge, and then records
that have won are going to startgoing up against each other. Yeah,
I know, I know. Sothank you as always, you guys for
being involved in this. Michelle,thanks so much for you know, putting
up with the uh with the entiresituation. I know there's been records so
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far that you haven't want to evenlisten to, you know, if nothing
else, you got yourself a verytwo, very middle of the road records
to continue enjoying from here on.So that's exactly they're just middle of the
road for me. That's why theyget a fine, right, I'm very
happy that I got to you gotyou to listen to three hours worth of
the Weekend at one time, soI don't dislike the Weekend. I'm just
I've never sat down like Metallica,Like you should be glad that I sat
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down and listened to Metallica. Ohyeah, that's that's one of the best
records. All right, Well withthat, I will let you guys take
that argument offline. I'm going totake us out of here so folks don't
have to hear this mess. Anduh, this episode will be out on
Friday for y'all to listen to,and then we'll have a new main episode
out the continuation of the live Albumsepisode next Monday. So thank you so
much for listening. We'll see youguys later
Hey there, it's bonus episode numberfive of the Infectious Groove Podcast. We're
doing this tournament here and we arefive rounds in now. Higham Russ with
me as always as Michelle and Kylefor those of you who have been listening.
For those of you who we Kyleand I both picked eight albums that
we like a lot. We're goingto defend each of those albums. Each
week. Michelle decides which one moveson, and then we'll keep circling back
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until we have a winner. Lastweek, Metallica's Black Album went up against
Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, and Michelle decided that Metallica's Black Album
was the winner, so we'll circleback to that later in the tournament.
We're actually going to get into thoselayers here in a little bit, so
that'll be cool. We've got anotherthree episodes after this till we get into
when albums that have moved on startfacing each other, so they'll be pretty
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sweet. Having said that, thisweek the matchup is the Weekend Trilogy,
which is kind of a reissue ofhis first three independent records in one package.
Versus Pearl Jam's first album ten,which was their date you, but
a lot of members of Pearl Jamwe're in other successful bands prior to coming
together for that one debut. Sohaving said that, we'll do what we
always do, I will pass itoff to Kyle and talk to us about
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the Weekend Trilogy. Wait, canI say one thing? Yeah? I
just want you both to know thatcurrently it is even Steven. It's a
dead heat over here. So y'allgot to really convince me, because I
don't want to spoil anything. Butyeah, you don't want to spoil anything,
but you're going to spoil it andsay it's even, well, I
can't. I can't let it beeven. So I'm just saying I'll let
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you my note my thoughts afterwards,but you guys got to really sell it.
No, nice? All right,Kyle, you ready to talk about
the Weekend Trilogy? I'm always readyto talk about you know, we always
talk about debut albums from people,And though this is not, this is
his first commercial album, consisting ofthree separate buddies of work that he put
out on the internet for free.Previously that and this is what initially got
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me hooked on the Weekend before itcame out as a three disc set or
whatever. But holy shit, it'ssomething andy and in my personal opinion,
you need to listen to it likeall the way through because it tells a
story like most, like a lotof albums do. It tells a story.
But like if you kind of bouncearound, I like to listen to
it all the way through. Um, you can definitely bounce around and listen
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to you know, whatever song thatyou song you fancy. Um. Yeah,
when you say all the way through, you mean from disc one all
the way through the end of discthree. No disc one to the end
of disc one, just two,No, I know, but I mean
like you're starting, like you're notjust talking about each each disc has to
be front to back, like you'retalking about all three discs in order.
Uh No, most of his albumsare concept albums. So like on the
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first album, I wouldn't listen totrack ten instead of starting at track one,
I would start with one and goall the way through. But it
would just just pick the second recordon its own when not listen to one
or three. Yeah, yeah,okay, go on. There are just
so many Um, I mean,I want to say on the third album
in this series, Echoes of Silence, there is a rendition of Dirty Diana,
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and it's awesomely different than Michael Jackson'sversion. Disc one. There's high
for this House of Balloons, GlassTable Girls, the Morning, Wicked Games,
the Party in the After Party,Like I could listen to this ship
all the way through, all thetime. It's badass. And initially giving
away all three of these for free, not at the same time. Obviously,
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they came out over a period oftime. I'm probably like over a
period of like maybe a year orsix months or something like that initially.
But being able to reissue something,get distribution through a major label, and
then have people go back and buythe exact same music that they got for
free is definitely something that not everybodyI don't think could achieve. Yeah,
for sure. We'll move on tomy notes. I will say, how
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do I start this? Well,first things First, I'd never heard this
record prior to this, like notone song off of this, So I
took I did my due diligence.I listened to it straight through, straight
through the first time. Then Itried what you said I did. I'd
listened to it like in pieces.I listened to like one part on its
own in the next part. ThenI listened to the entire thing again,
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and I will say I wanted tolike this record way more than I did,
and I was kind of surprised atit, Like, for example,
you mentioned House of Balloons. Forme, the first dist doesn't even start
till that song, Like the firsttwo tracks at least to me, brought
nothing to the table, and thenHouse of Balloons hit and I was like,
Oh, okay, we're going totake a ramp up, and then
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I don't know, just over thecourse of the rest of the set,
like Life of the Party and theParty and After Party. I liked a
lot of the birds. One Ilike Valerie, I thought was a strong
ballad. The only thing I haveunder Dirty Diana, because that took me
surprise when I first listened to it, because it's just listened as a DD
and I had no idea that itwas a cover of Michael. The only
thing I have listed is Dirty Diana. Space took odd liberties, so I
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didn't like the changes that he tookwith that song. Overall, my thoughts
wore were that the album for mewas entirely too atmospheric. I could see
being an a certain mood and puttingit on. I don't know. I
just I wanted the whole There wasa track called Montreal that I thought was
one of the most strong tracks onthe record. I wanted after my third
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listen, I wrote down that Iwanted the whole record to be more like
Montreal, and then I listened toafter hearing it three times. In sequence,
I jumped around some tracks and everytime I kept wishing that I was
listening to Montreal. So that's howI how I felt about it. Do
you have any questions for maanel SisMichelle, I do not go on I
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will I will say that this Sothis is what drew me into the Weekend
Initially, the way that sounds thecreepy, eerie like it's just very like
weird and not like a lot ofthe stuff that you would hear commercially.
And and since this album, well, mostly everything that everyone has heard from
the Weekend has been giant commercial stuff. I mean, he's a huge artist
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now right, and it's his musicnowadays is way way different than anything that
has come off of that album.Yeah. Well, I mentioned on the
Pink Floyd episode that The Dark Sideof the Moon was their seventh record and
I very much feel like Pink Floydtook the first six records to become good
enough to be the band to makethe Dark Side of the Moon. So
to both of you, I willsay that if you didn't like The Dark
Side of the Moon, you shureshell shouldn't listen to the sixth They were
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practicing at to get there. Soit might very well be the same thing
with The Weekend that maybe his laterstuff is more what I would be getting
into. And I'm not writing offby any means. I'm not even writing
the record off. It's just wasthis is my initial take on it.
So it's I think that a lotof people would feel the same way that
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you do because they're so used tothe Weekend that they know now, so
it's weird to go back and listento what he came from. And in
twenty eighteen he put out it's likea six track EP called My Dear Melancholy,
and it like, I don't knowif they were old songs that came
from that time when he recorded likethe trilogy stuff, or if it was
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new stuff and he was trying tosound like the old hymn, but it
was very it's very much like thatsame style but he originally started with which
is what he said, very verydifferent than where anything that is out now.
I mean, having no idea myself, just hearing you describe it,
I would be surprised if that's notexactly the story this older material, it
was reworked or rereleased. That's happeneda lot lately, Like Nathaniel Ratelift that
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happened with after the debut came outwith The Night Sweats, they reissued the
one before that and so on,So that happens a lot. For my
thoughts on Pearl Jam ten, it'sa perfect album. I mean it just
is Once is again a hell ofa way to start the record. Even
Flow is a monster hit. Itcomes perfectly out of the track before it
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Alive it's another monster hit that comesout of that. I like Why Go
a great deal, but it's notquite as hooky as even Flow and Alive.
But what Why Go does is itsets up perfectly for the record to
slide into Black, which is reallylike the first ballad on the record.
I don't even know if you cancall Black a ballad, but for lack
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of a better term, and it'ssuch an emotional song. Black as it's
just it's really, really, reallygorgeous song full of emotion. Jeremy,
I think is a really important song. I mean, yeah, it was
a mega hit, but it's avery important songs dealing with child abuse and
bullying at school. Like, ofcourse, child abuse has been talked about
for decades, but bullying at schoolsreally hasn't been anything that people have talked
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about a lot until the last coupleof years. And this was something Pearl
Jam was preaching about on their firstrecord back in nineteen ninety one. I
think side two is absolutely perfect.It's devoid of hits per se, but
it's got a lot of fan favoriteson it. Again, Ocean coming after
Jeremy is almost like a reset ofthe record, Like from a flow perspective,
it's almost like a reset of afterlike all the turbulence that's on Jeremy
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is all very calm down and reflectiveon Oceans, and then Porch is just
another one where it's very fiery,very emotional. Garden is one of my
all time favorite Pearl Jam songs.Just beautiful, beautiful lyrics and again all
five members of the band firing onAll Cylinders. Release might be my favorite
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Pearl Jam song of all time,the last song on the record, and
actually the first time I ever sawPearl jamming concert. They opened with Release,
and I went into that show justhoping that they would play it,
And then as soon as the lightswent down and you could hear the guitar
of that starting, I was like, Oh, this is the greatest night
ever, and then it went onto be just a hell of a night
from there. My biggest case thatI can make for ten is that you
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can hear the emotion, pain,and feeling that went into every single instrument,
the drumming, the bass, bothguitar parts, Eddie's singing. His
lyrics are sometimes intelligible at times dueto his vocal delivery, but even when
you can't hear exactly what Eddie's saying, you can absolutely feel the emotion in
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what he's saying because of how he'sdelivering it. And to me, I'm
a huge lyric guy, and thatstill matters more to me than like hearing
the emotion in the delivery matters morethan to me than what he's actually saying.
So those are my thoughts on PearlJam ten. What what do you
think? It is a monster record. And I literally cannot disagree with really
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anything that you said. Yeah,oh, but I didn't mean that,
Like yep, I just met thatis in like a conversational typeway. Yeah,
the entire thing. It's just ait's a monster record. And I
think that many many of the songson this album are what people know of
Pearl Jam. A lot of thesongs they play on the radio like there,
it's very very mainstream. And Iwas at what is the MoPOP Museum
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in Seattle and they had a hada Pearl Jam exhibit going on. I
don't know if it goes on allthe time, but whatever, and you
know, you're able to see likethere any of there's notebooks of lyrics and
like all this shit, and Iwas like, oh my god, like
this is amazing. And it definitelytranscends back into when they were making that
album. A lot of the stuffthere is from when they were making this
album. Yeah, and it's uh, it's it's awesome. And like I
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mentioned earlier, although this is realquick, although this is Pearl jams first
record, a lot of the guyswere regularly in bands around Seattle and whatnot,
so they knew their way around afret board and you know, definitely
knew their way around constructing songs andwhatnot. And I think that lends itself
well to how strong of a debutit is. But what were you going
to say, Michelle? I wasgonna say, so you agree with Russ
then, so like there's no akid I Eddie Vedder has a special place
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in my heart. I can't Ican't knock him or that record if I
actually think that it's a good record. So yes, I grew interesting and
there was. What's funny is Ihad a hard time with taking my notes
in the weekend because you might ifyou remember the first couple of rounds in
the tournament, the first couple ofepisodes, if you go back and listen,
like Michelle, you almost have tokeep reminding me, like, you
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know, you're not trying to sellKyle's record, right, you know,
Like I've very much been the sameway. And I had a hard time
with my weekend notes because I didn'twant to be like, oh, I'm
just gonna, you know, sayall this bad stuff about this record.
But these were my honest thoughts aboutthe record. And I can't stress enough
I don't think it's a bad albumat all. I mean, I'm I
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love atmospheric music. I just don'tfor me at this point with the record,
I don't feel like everything flows togetherexactly right. And I know there's
extenuating circumstances. You know that itwas done independently and and so on,
But for the purposes of this particularmatchup, I do firmly believe that ten
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is A is a much more polishedeffort. I think there's a lot more
emotion in it. It's very muchone of those records that in many ways
is the soundtrack to a lot ofpeople's lives. And then as an aside,
I think it's great that it's notjust and I don't want to demean
this, but we'll take a liveAlive is about Eddie Vetter's issues with his
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father growing up, right, andI don't want to demean that. But
like then you two or three songslater, you have Jeremy, which is
like about such a broad subject thatit's taken twenty thirty years since that record
come out for anybody else to recognizethat, like bullying in schools as a
problem, you know, even withas monster of a head as that was
in the video. I don't knowif you've ever seen the video on Michelle,
but it's a very, very verymoving video and it had it Let's
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put it this way, the lineJeremy spoke in class today, it's reflective
of Jeremy, of the situation resultingin violence and death in the classroom.
And this was something that they hadrecorded in nineteen ninety one. It recorded
probably in ninety one, was releasedin ninety one, had an enormous video
that very much makes the point ofwhat occurred in the classroom. And you
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know, it was still twenty pluscoming up on thirty years later, we're
still it's just now a thing peopleare talking about. That's my thoughts on
it. So it would you saythat you're more of a fan of the
more commercial, newer weekend stuff versuswhat you listen to on Trilogy. I
will throw this out there and whomeverlistens to the show can cave my head.
And for this, up until Ilistened to the Trilogy, the only
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song I'd ever heard by the endwas his. I would assume his biggest
hit, Um, I can't feelmy face? Is that what it's called?
Oh yeah, yeah, Okay,there's been a lot now, but
yeah, that's one of his mainLike and I dig that song, but
no, not at all, Likeand it can't It's hard for me to
describe. I don't dislike this record. I think I'm looking at it from
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a stance of like this verses ten, Like if you were to take me
out of this situation and say,let's just listen to the trilogy, then
I would probably have a different overallopinion of it, Like if you're going
to throw it, like, youknow how my basement set up, so
actually plug for Frank's channel. Everybodygot to see how the thirty three and
a third is set up. I'mall about throwing out an atmospheric stuff and
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having a drink and whatever. ButI think it's just when it's when it's
going head up against this one recordis when I was looking for flaws.
Isn't the right phrase, but Iwas kind of looking at it like for
the dissecting each track strength and weaknessesfor the purposes of the tournament. Does
any of that makes sense? Yeah? Yeah, I was just curious because
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a lot of people don't know.Is the Weekend originally a long time ago
he went underneath the name of thenoise, and he put out he had
like an EP that he put outthat just put out on the internet as
like a trying to get a feelfor people are gonna like dig my music
or whatever. And it's very verypoppy and commercial sounding. No one,
it never really went anywhere. Andthen he took on the weekend persona and
(15:26):
then did all that weird, atmosphericlike creepy music, and then his career
exploded, and then now he's kindof back to the poppy and poppy,
you know, radio stuff, andso it goes with so many artists.
Yeah, you know, I mean, it is what it is. You
know that I just spoke to youguys the other week, and we don't
need to get into it right now. But there's a certain artist that I'm
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very scared their next project is goingto be an all pop record. And
I don't have any problem with popmusic. I own a ton of pop
music. I think there's a timeand a place for it. But when
an artist is doing a certain thing, I like it when they stay more
true to them show themselves. SoI'm not at all discounting pop music by
any stretch of the imagination. Imean, I'm a person who proudly owns
the seven inch and twelve inch singlefor Easy Lover by Phil Collins and Philip
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Bailey. So I am not,in any way, shape or form getting
on a high horse about pop music. So Michelle, let's hear your thoughts
first on the weekend. Oh goody, So let me pull out my notes.
You don't seem to be dreading thisas much as you were the Metallica
and pain Floid situation. So no, And the only reason I was dreading
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it is because I don't have arule. I didn't have a ruling.
Like I literally went into this andI was like, oh, did you
for the listeners at home? Didyou catch that? She said, I
didn't have a ruling. Sounds likesomeone's made up her mind. Share your
notes. If we were doing runningcommentary on the podcast, it'd be like,
did you see that? That's whereMichelle said. So I split up
listening to the trilogy over the threedays, so listen to one record each
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day because I wanted to make sureI got it all. I feel like
listening to it in three hours inone sitting and just listening to it,
I wouldn't. I would have tunedout at some point. So yeah,
not to cut you off, butit should be listened to in three segments.
Yeah, that's not not even knowingthat from you, Kyle. That's
why I tried it a couple ofdifferent ways myself. Yeah, not to
be an asshole, but I havethe attention span to listen to three hours
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of music in a row. AndI thought it was three hours. It's
two hours and thirty nine it.So I did it. I did it
that way just to do it,just because I didn't want to get on
here and go I split it upand have Kyle be like, no,
you're supposed to you know what Imean. So I tried it one way
and I tried it the other way, just so I was prepared for however,
you're supposed to listen to it,so anyway, so you split it
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up over three days. I did, and I, unlike you, Russ,
I thought that um high for thiswas a great start to the record,
and I did not like House ofBalloons. It was actually I gave
it a thumbs doumb on my list, which I know I'm pretty sure that
is Kyle, that's the song Iwas listening to, and you texted me
from upstairs and was like this isoh yeah, I woke up to hearing
(17:56):
you play that in the basement.I was like, ah, yes,
I love this, and I waslike this is bad thumb. I swear
to God. And I know I'mbeing funny right now, but if this
podcast gets big enough one day,like we end up with enough supporters,
I'm absolutely gonna make T shirts.That is like Michelle gave me a thumbs
down, you know, like youknow down. People were it as a
(18:18):
bad amountor so anyway, so youlike first track, house Balloons not so
much, go on not so much. The rest of that album for me
was there, like it was thewhole I should say, all three discs,
records whatever you want to call them, were a lot of the same,
which is why which is detrimental.Yeah, But the thing is I
didn't hate it though, so likeit was a lot of the same,
(18:41):
so I have it was three recordsthat were a lot of the same,
So I the rest of the recordwas there for me. I didn't love
it. I didn't hate it.It was more like, um, what
did you what did you call it? The kind of music it was atmospheric?
Yeah, yeah, it was exactlythat. For me. Um.
And then when on the second day, Life of the Party was I didn't
love some much the first track inthe second record, it didn't really start
(19:02):
back up again for me into Lifeof the Party, yeah, which I
noted the same thing for me.Yeah. And then I did like the
Birds part one and Part two,which I that was about it for that.
That record was just those three songsthat I was like, yeah,
they stand out to me, andthe rest of it was just like very
much there. So not to cutyou off, but the reason that um,
a lot of it sounds the sameis he was working with the same
(19:23):
producer for all of those three records, and he didn't like branch out and
work with anybody else. I don'tthink most of them are all done by
the same person or the same teamof people. Yeah, so that's why
that's why it's all like cohesively soundsvery similar. Yeah, And like I
said, I don't hate that,but there was nothing that like other than
a couple tracks on each record.I was like, this is just more
of the same, and it's fine. I would say Disc three was my
(19:45):
favorite overall. I do like that. I did really like the cover of
Dirty Diana it was probably my favoriteof the entire trilogy, which I don't
think you know to cover, butI did. Really, I've heard it
before and I didn't think it wasbad by any stretches, just a you
know how critical I am of coversin the first place, and then the
cover Michael, and so that's whyI didn't have anything bad wrote. I
just put I thought he took someodd liberties with it. Yeah, And
(20:07):
I did really like Montreal, andI just felt like the entire third record
it was more I don't want tosay cohesive, but it was just it
was more of what I was into, right, But out of all three
overall, I did really like therecord, so like it was all three
of them, and um, Ijust there was nothing that stood out to
me as being like an exceptional JammyJam. It was just all like I
(20:29):
prefer the song over this one,and like it was just all there.
So I didn't hate it at all. Um, I liked it. It
just was there though, gotcha allright? Moving on to uh Pearl Jam's
debut effort, Pearl Jam Pearl Jamnot arim correct um Once it was just
an okay start to the record forme. I was hoping for a little
(20:49):
bit more like I've heard most ofthese songs before, but never front and
back and yeah, and so Idid. I don't dislike the song,
but I just expected. I don'tknow what I expected. We've had a
lot of albums on here that thefirst track is just dynamite, and so
that's what I've been looking for.Actually a lot of times, like how
does this work? I feel likeit says the entire mood right, It
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didn't now that it didn't set themood. It just wasn't as strong as
I was hoping it would be.Um even Flow Alive Black, those were
all um jams. I damn it. I love Black, like I truly.
There's not a song on the recordI dislike, but Black is such
an emotional, perfect jam. Yeah. I very much enjoyed Black. Um.
And then it runs right into Jeremy, which is also a jam.
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UM. I really did like Deepas well, and Release I did like
it, but then it has thisthat weird after which was it's not my
jam. I was like, Iliterally thought the record had stopped and it
was playing a different song, likebecause I was like, I knew it
was the last song, and Iwas listening to it and I was like,
who is it playing now? Likewhat is going on? And I
(21:55):
was like, oh, it's thesame song. It's not it's not even
really the same song on streaming.It's part of release, but it's just
kind of like a coda to therecord. Release ends, and then there's
just that like, yeah, that'swhy I thought it was something else that
started playing it. I'm just sayingwhat's going on right now. I'm just
saying, don't discount release over that, because that's a months or monthster way
to end the record. Yes,So overall, um, there was nothing
(22:15):
that I hated on the record,just like on the weekend there was.
I did I like the vibe alittle bit more. I would feel like,
I guess defends all kind of moodI'm in, Like it definitely isn't
like atmospheric like sit down, sure, chill out kind of mood. Well,
I would say that it can bein certain parts like I think oceans
and parts of deep and releasing GardenGarden for sure can lend itself all the
(22:37):
songs I didn't really like, butwell, no, and what's what's interesting
to me though, is that that'swhat I'm saying about we're talking about the
Weekend being atmospheric overall, and youdidn't so much love all of that,
And that's the parts of ten thatyou didn't love are the parts that are
atmospheric. Yeah, and I guessoverall, I'm not a huge Curl Jam
fan to begin with, Um,not that I'm oh, don't say the
(23:00):
Weekend the woman who who continually can'ttell them apart from RM, you're not
a huge fan, are Yeah?They're just there for me sure like I
don't ever seek them out. Andit was nice to sit down and listen
to a whole record, um like, just I guess the Weekend was the
same as well, Like I neverhave went out and to listen to a
record from the Weekend front to back, and I never like, I just
like the singles. I spread thesame thing with Pearl Jam like, I
(23:22):
like all the singles that are onthe radio, but I don't ever seek
them out. I don't put themon a playlist, I don't ever do
anything with them. They're just kindof there for me. Sure so well,
hopefully throughout this tournament we changed thatand yeah, things things become you
Jammy Jam. Okay, So thosewere your notes? Are you ready to
make a ruling? Now? Iknow there was some there was some question
earlier, So all right, sheis, I will take you, take
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of the argument. Hopefully folks haveheard at least some of both of these
records. We are ready to getinto the nasty business that we always get
into at the end of the showvery quickly, as I always do.
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cool things lined up that we're gonnapop off just as soon as we get
just a scach more support. SoI just wanted to mention that getting back
into the business. Michelle, areyou in fact ready to do your ruling.
(25:57):
I'm just kidding, Yeah, Iam. Here comes in the court
of Michelle. Who do you findto be the record? Moving on Pearl?
Damn? I kid you not.And I'm not saying this would be
funny. Nobody nobody watching this canuh see me? Obviously you two can.
(26:17):
I'm not being funny. I'm sweatingright now, like I was literally
sweating that decision, like what youknow, turn of phrase, like,
oh, I was really sweating thatone. I four reel right now,
am sweating. Tell us a littletell us a little bit about your your
reasoning, Michelle. So they bothgot five out of ten, which I'm
sure it's going to make a lotof people. Man, So you spread
(26:41):
joy wherever you go with us.I literally today just fielded another text that
if I show it to you onmy phone right now, takes up an
entire your screen because someone someone Iknow is behind by about three or four
episodes and uh and I and allI could do was reply with, oh,
man, you're gonna be real andhappy. But you know what we're
(27:03):
looking We're looking for interaction and we'relooking for fun and as long as people
take yeah, absolutely so in anycase, you you gave, you gave
The Weekend five out of ten andPearl Jam ten, one of the most
celebrated rock records of all time thatwas heavily involved in the entire movement of
(27:27):
the music industry from one format toanother. By why don't you believe in
sales numbers? Michelle, I'd liketo tell you something. Not only did
that this decision has hurt my heartpersonally, but beyond that, those three
albums are the three albums that makeup the trilogy. Independently, they were
(27:48):
downloaded eight million times on the Internetbefore they became commercially available, which is
why they were why they were ableto get the commercial distribution that they're allowed
to have. Michelle, can Ianswer for you, because I'm pretty sure
I know what you're gonna say,not by me. Well, I was
gonna say, uh not that thiswould have changed the ruling, But you
(28:08):
could have mentioned any of that beforehand. You just thought you had it in
the bag. You're just like,it's fine, it's fine. So my
heart is so hurt by a fivefor ten. It's not even funny you
gave the GA you gave ten halfof its title as a rating. I
(28:30):
was just gonna stop telling you whatmy ratings are. I feel like it
just makes you man sure. Soso let's get into it a little bit.
What like you don't I mean,you shared your notes on both records
already, Like what is it?I guess what is it that put if
they're in a dead heat and they'refifty five each, what is it that
put ten over the edge? Sooverall I had the same feelings that not
same. I felt similarly that Estherrust did that even I felt similarly as
(28:56):
rusted about the weekend. I'd justfeel like it's a lot of the same.
And it's not that it's bad,It just it doesn't need to be
three records in my opinion, LikeI understand that why it is, but
like it's just three records that couldhave been released or cut down into one
in my opinion or two. I'llsay this, I am looking forward to
breaking back into it under different circumstances, if that makes sense. Yes,
(29:19):
Like there were very they both recordshad highlights on them. None of them
had any stinkers, Like there wasno stinkers. I want every pressing of
like because I'm sure I'm sure eventuallythey're going to Repress Trilogy on vinyl.
I want badly for it to belike, have a hype sticker that's like
(29:41):
features this, this and this,four Stars Pitchfork, No stinkers Michelle hey
Man. Hey Man, when youwhen you unwrap that vinyl, make sure
you keep that hype sticker. Ohyou like to keep your hype stickers?
Well, yeah, this has thequote about having no stinkers on Holy Cow,
(30:03):
so no stinkers out either. Um, before wasn't my favorite. It
was my least favorite of all three. But I wasn't like this song is
awful where I've saw I thought thaton other records before you would not use
a poop emoji to describe it asit was not a stinker. I did
not, Yes, I would notuse that. So overall, I just
felt like, I do think thatlength had something to do with it.
I do feel like the time.Yeah, Front to Back was a better
(30:30):
composed album. Ten you're saying,what did I say? No, I'm
saying that's the overall I call it. Well, let me put it this
way. If I'm hosting and listeningto you direct and I got a little
bit confused as what exactly you weresaying. Then I'm sure other people were,
so I wanted to clarify. Inthe end, you thought the overall
package of ten was slightly better thanbut they both received a five out of
(30:52):
five on the Michelle Scale. Holycow, five out of ten. All
right, Well, like I say, you know, I'm excited that end
one, but again I'm not,you know, I really if nothing else
out of this for me, comesanother record that I can dig into more
in with the trilogy, Yeah,well comes next week. I'm excited.
Did you First? I was goingto say, um, if anyone cares
(31:17):
to not listen to the trilogy,you can go online and find each individual
or each record individually, and trilogyis. They're all mixed and mastered way
when they were when they were.Hear the the rough cut like rough shit
that originally came out versus the masteredstuff on the or the remastered stuff on
trilogy. Yeah, it was importantto me to hear the end products.
(31:41):
So I did listen to it onSpotify. But I googled because you had
previously said it was three separate pieces, so I googled, like where those
begun and end? So I couldknow that, you know, for listening
to it in pieces, but yeah, that'd be interesting too to go back
to listen to the independent versions.To answer your question, Michelle, Oh
boy, next week starts what Ithink, three weeks in a row of
(32:02):
paying death and destruction for you,because it's just three it's three weeks of
great albums going front to back.So next week you have an album from
twenty nineteen going against an album fromnineteen sixty six. You have Dermott Kennedy
without Fear from twenty nineteen going upagainst an album some people have heard of
(32:23):
called pet Sounds by the Beach Boys. So yeah, and it trust me
when I tell you it doesn't getany easier for you from here, Like
I have the bracket, and it'sjust gonna get harder from here. But
I do feel like we're gonna startinching up over scores of five or more.
Yes here, I can already tellyou that both those records without even
(32:45):
like I've heard them, and theyboth rate more than five. So like,
no, I'm gonna have to sitdown and listen to them side by
side to even Like, of allof Brian Wilson's accomplishments, just the fact
that he knows Pet Sounds got automaticover five for you, is that's gotta
that's gotta be something he's very proudof. It's gotta go up there with
(33:07):
the Hall of Fame. And havea question, is the Dermot Kennedy album
the newest album on the bracket?No eminem music? Yeah, okay,
yeah, okay. So I thinkthis is by far the biggest gap we
have on the tournament though, betweenthe album releases though, and it's going
to be a great, great competition. Oh yeah, feeling yea from here,
(33:30):
from here out, things are gonnaget It's only gets harder from here
because the next three are very hardfor you to judge, and then records
that have won are going to startgoing up against each other. Yeah,
I know, I know. Sothank you as always, you guys for
being involved in this. Michelle,thanks so much for you know, putting
up with the uh with the entiresituation. I know there's been records so
(33:50):
far that you haven't want to evenlisten to, you know, if nothing
else, you got yourself a verytwo, very middle of the road records
to continue enjoying from here on.So that's exactly they're just middle of the
road for me. That's why theyget a fine, right, I'm very
happy that I got to you gotyou to listen to three hours worth of
the Weekend at one time, soI don't dislike the Weekend. I'm just
I've never sat down like Metallica,Like you should be glad that I sat
(34:13):
down and listened to Metallica. Ohyeah, that's that's one of the best
records. All right, Well withthat, I will let you guys take
that argument offline. I'm going totake us out of here so folks don't
have to hear this mess. Anduh, this episode will be out on
Friday for y'all to listen to,and then we'll have a new main episode
out the continuation of the live Albumsepisode next Monday. So thank you so
much for listening. We'll see youguys later
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