May 15, 2023 • 45 mins
The time has come for one more Totally Epic Cover Battle! This week we call in our old friend Seth to discuss a Bob Dylan song from 1973 versus a much different take on the song from Guns N' Roses. Axl, Slash, Duff and the original lineup of the band take the song in a completely different direction. We know you know the singalong ("knock-knock-knockin' on heaven's door!") but how different is that from the original? These points are more are discussed! It's Season 8, Episode 15 of the Infectious Groove Podcast.
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It's the Infectious Groove Podcast, partof the Odd Pods media network. Recorded
from Detroit, Michigan and Jacksonville,Florida, The Infectious Group Podcast is your
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for joining us. Now here areyour hosts. Well hello, my name
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is Russ and welcome to the beenultimate episode of the Infectious Group Podcast.
At least for now is what I'msaying. We'll probably have episodes now and
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already hundreds of videos on there foryou to take a look at with more
coming every single week. Having saidthat, the Business of the Infectious Group
podcast still has a couple of episodesto go, and this week we are
going to do a totally upic coverbattle. Is a Bob Dylan written classic
song, Knocking on Heaven's Store againstthe Guns and Roses version that that was
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very well known in the early nineties, and we'll actually get into that because
this is kind of an interesting coverbattle. This is one that kind of
evolved over time, so we'll getinto that in a little bit. Joining
me this week to help me outwith that. As a person you've heard
on this show several times, andyou've heard us talk about his own podcast,
He's actually had a couple of differentpodcasts in the past. His name
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is Seth and you are joining methis week to talk about Bob Dylan versus
Guns and Roses. But if peoplewant to hear you talk about any number
of other topics, how would theydo that? Yeah? Absolutely. Like
Russ mentioned, I have been apart of a few other podcasts, none
of them are currently active right now. The one that I do about music
is called the Trouble Trouble Podcast,and I just sort of record episodes as
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I see fit. So there areepisodes for you to listen to, of
course, and and you never knowwhen I might drop another one. Yeah,
that's slid I you know. Andthat's one thing I talk about with
this show too, is I don'tthink we ever put out a bad episode,
per se. But I do feellike, definitely this show and I'm
sure other shows start to become likea slave to oh, we have to
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get an episode out, you know, And I'm like, I said,
I don't, you know, Imean, this could be you know,
talking. I don't feel like we'veever put out a bad episode of the
show, but I know that weput out episodes that I haven't felt great
about. Right, there was thatone with Michelle that you could maybe consider
a bad episode, right, Yeah, Well that's just the one. Yeah,
just one. That's that's about onehundred of the hundred and said we've
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put out. But so yeah,in the going forward, this show will
very much feel the same way.If the spirit moves me and I decided
I'm really fired up about something,you know, I may put out an
episode or even do another season orsomething along those lines. But in my
opinion, Seth's got the right wayto do it. Just do it when
when you're moved to do it.And having said that, if you do
want to hear you know, it'snot like there's any shortage of episodes out
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there. Go check out, youknow, Seth on social media and subscribe
to any of the shows and youcan check out when he's been doing.
And having said that, talking aboutwhat we've been doing, we've got some
feedback share from the last couple ofepisodes of this program. So let's get
into that. Leave that joke.Why about that? Right, it's funny
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you mentioned that, Seth about theMichelle moments on the show, because we
have some feedback on that. Actuallyit's the last piece of feedback I have
to read and it came from YouTubetoday, but it was very funny.
Regarding the episode we did last weekabout music biopics, Dayton from Docum Podcast
writes in and says, great episode. I love the Buddy Holly story,
Gary Busey, nail day and Itotally forgot to mention that during the episode.
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Have you ever seen that one?I haven't seen it in a while,
but I do remember enjoying it.Okay, this is this is gonna
sound like I'm going on a limbhere. Have you ever seen Ray?
I have not. Okay, I'mtrying to think of another one. Walk
the Line. Yeah, I've seenAne. Okay. So you know how
before you see Walk the Line,everybody tells you what a good job what
Kim Phanix did, and you're like, I'll be the judge of that,
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and then you see it, Yeahagain, he did? You know?
That's how Gary Busey was in theBuddy Holly story. Like you, It's
one of those things that people justtalk about all the time. You know,
they, oh, no, GaryBusey was awesome in that, but
then when you see it, you'relike, Jesus, but Gary Busey was
awesome in that, Like yeah,yeah, I know. They say that
about Ray too. I just haven'tseen it. I don't know. I
have like a contentious personal relationship withJamie Fox that nobody else, not even
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he's involved with. But yeah,no, I get that. I this
is a much longer thing. ButI say that a lot of times about
celebrities like Lauren. I'll say like, hey, do you want to watch
that? And I'll be like,no, her and I aren't talking right
now, or you know, yeah, Dave from Beer in Front Rights,
and it says, and this isa great question, Dave, So if
I leave feedback in the future andthere's no feedback segment, how will this
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work? Also, when is thenew Michelle's Awesome podcast starting up? So
regarding feedback, I mean, Ithink, if anything, I'm overactive on
Twitter. So any time anybody hasany feedback about best episodes or whatever we
put out on YouTube, yeah,I just feel free to throw the feedback
out there on you on Twitter,and trust me, I'll scoop it up
and you know, we'll all havefun with it. Regarding when is the
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Michelle is an Awesome podcast starting,first of all, I would never endorse
a podcast with a lie for aname. And second of all, that
podcast is going to start up justas soon as Michelle puts the time and
energy into creating and producing that podcast. So I thought you were going to
say that podcast will start just assoon as she as Michelle remembers her Twitter
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password. Right? Yeah, Sonever, And so you said the same
thing I did. Both both ofus said never. Never, it's not
going to happen. I would Iwould listen to it though if it did
happen, right, yeah, no, yeah, well never mind, I
yes, so so what I It'snever going to happen, but yes I
would as well. Uh. JimmiePorter writes in regarding what one of Michelle's
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finer points from last week's episode,and he says, not only does Colin
Hey have a lazy eye, henamed his record label Lazy Eye Records,
and also regarding music biopics, Idon't care for if they're historically accurate or
all. I watch them for themusic. But yeah, yeah, which
I get. I did want tostart a big argument with you on this
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episode about it because it was thetopic was discussed. But I understand your
point and I for me, that'snot a deal breaker, no, I,
And we'll make this quick. Butlike I said on the episode,
the Eldest One is wildly in accuratehistorically, but the overall point of who
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Elvis was and what he did andin my opinion, how the second half
of his life went that to me, I don't care that it's historically inaccurate
like they conveyed. Let me putit this way, and this is awfully
pretentious. This is awfully pretentious ofme to say this, but I feel
like they covered Elvis's life the wayElvis would have wanted it covered, Okay,
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Whereas Freddie Mercury, if Freddie couldsee that biopic, he would be
like, but that's not how itwent though, Like, I think it's
ridiculous to put his diagnosis in frontof Live Aid for the drama of it
like that. Well, it totallydetracts from what Queen did as a band
at Live Aid. Sorry, Ithat was probably inappropriate. No, no,
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no, I get it. I'mjust saying. That's why I don't
care if they you know, theymess with things here and there or whatever
else. It's just when you whenyou, in my opinion, what they
did with the Queenland, when theymoved it around that much, they they're
physically taking away from it, youknow what I mean. Well, I
mean, I'll throw myself to thewoods or to the wolves. I should
say. I loved the Bohemian Rhapsodybiopic. I mean I thought, you
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know, inaccuracies aside, it wasa very compelling, it was very compelling
storytelling. Yeah, despite the personthat directed the majority of it. My
big issue with it was just thatand like it kind of ruined the whole
thing for me, so I meanI cried every time, so they accomplished
what they wanted to. I don'tknow if I seriously don't know if I
mentioned this during the biopic episode,and if I didn't, I'd be surprised.
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But the one the biopic that makesme cry every single time, like,
no matter what is Selena if youwatch have you seen it? I
don't know if I I mean Iknow her story. Okay, Well,
if I even try and tell youhow they handle the end of the movie,
like, I will literally get chokedup trying to explain to you,
like that's how much I cry whenI watch the end of the movie,
because like, especially when you knowsomething like as coming, but the way
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they handle it in the movie tenminutes before it happens, I start choking
up, like and then I likefull on ugly cry by the end of
it. It's terrible. Anyways,speaking of videos and whatnot, over on
YouTube, we had our friend Trevorleft us comment that says, I wish
there was a video of your podcastthe Top five Michelle what the fuck moments
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and more than five? Well,no, I said, first, I
said, first of all, Ishould be able to dig up five pretty
easily. And second of all,I mean I don't need video for that.
I can dig up five audio onesand do that episode of that video.
So that may be coming to ourYouTube channel just kind of as a
as a tribute to our queen.I will have to find five. I
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will have to have her give mefive Michelle approved pictures of herself to use
to put on the stop. Yeah, that which that is going to be.
That's where what's going to hold thatvideo up? I think you're gonna
get like two and a half goodpictures, right, no kidding, Yeah,
just recycle through them for But likeDave asked, where do you leave
the feedba, I can leave thefeedback on any sort of social media.
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You can leave a comment on ourYouTube page. We will at least do
this one more again next weekend ornext week whether on that program when Michelle
and Kyler with me, we willgo through feedback one more time. Speaking
of segments, we got a coupleof times to go. We're going to
do this one one more time.Our Jimmy, our Jammie Jams. It
is the segment where we tell youwhat we've been listening to. And I
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have a wild bunch of stuff,and I don't know, maybe Dayton's comment
is what got this stuck in myhead. But three songs that I'm gonna
mention have just been randomly stuck inmy head this weekend for like or this
week for no reason whatsoever. Andthen one album in particular I've just had
stuck in my head and I knowwhy that is. But one song that's
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been stuck in my head is asong called every Day by Buddy Holly,
which I just have to assume thatit's just because Dayton mentioned the Buddy Holly
story. But like, I haven'thad like that I'll Be the Day or
anything or Piggy Sue or anything stuf. It's literally been like every single day
at some point in the day,I have that song every day in my
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head. So it's so catchy,it's so fun to sing. It's so
good. Yeah, Yeah, themelody is super cool to sing. Yeah,
I'm really like trying to restrain myselfand not sing it no iPhone though
I know it's yeah, I know, I've been walking around the house doing
that. Another one song that couldn'tbe any different in this one, I
don't know why it popped into myhead. The other day, but Thomas
Dolby she blinded Me with Science,which I think is just it's one of
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the most unique songs I've ever heardin my life. And it's just that
country. No, no, sheblinded me with Science is not country.
That was your very own Michelle momentjust now like I had to have one.
Well, I was like, Iwas like, I've never heard of
this person before, so like theguy's name, sound like the country artist.
When we're done with this episode,I want you to go on Spotify
and look up she Blinded Me withScience by Thomas Dolby, and then you
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tell me if it's a country song, is it in surround sound? I
don't. I don't believe, soit surrounds sound a good one. Oh
sorry everyone. Yeah. I puton a tweet the other day that it
is time that the song Faithfully isbetter than Open Arms by Journey. It's
time we all start talking about it. So I think Faithfully is, if
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not my favorite Journey song, it'sup there, and I think it crushes
Open Arms. And even though OpenArms gets all the attention, So I've
had that stuck in my head.Then lastly, and this one here again,
I think is just because I recently, I had a gift card to
burn, so I purchased an albumoff of on vinyl, off of the
internet and it got delivered, andI think that's why I've had it just
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stuck in my head constantly. Andthat's the Pearl Jam versus So you know,
go the Animal Rear, your miracglorified g I mean, that record
is just so ridiculously good. Ipersonally revere that album as, if not
the best sophomore album of all time, it's in the discussion of the best
sophomore records of all time. Soso a variety of stuff that I've been
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listening to lately were my Jamie jams. That's what were your Jamie jams this
past week? So you know youdon't like to come with a handful of
Jammie jams. I could go onforever, but you know, I tried
to to limit my my Jammie jams. But starting my Jamie jams this week.
I know Russ doesn't know this,and maybe not anybody else listening to
this podcast knows this, but theRenaissance World Tour started this week. Yes,
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and also to you, if you'vebeen listening to podcast, you know
about my relationship and love for Beyonceand how rozz Kyle and Michelle relate to
that. So I just had tohave one of her songs as one of
my Jamie jams this week because I'vebeen listening to her a lot, and
I chose End of Time from heralbum four. I am at least a
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couple of Beyonce records behind Four isolder though, right, Yeah, okay,
definitely like mid two thousands. Ohthat's right, okay, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. I just I'm not
I don't even know if i'd sayKyle and Michelle hate Beyonce. They maybe
they do. I don't really hateBeyonce. She's just kind of there for
me, you know, So Ishould catch up more on her stuff than
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I have. But I at leastI think I do know through that.
Yeah, because that's like her lastthree albums were, you know, Renaissance.
Um, why am I blinking?Because I'm herself titled in Lemonade,
So it's this is even before thosethree, gotcha, So we're you know,
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we're definitely a few albums back.But yeah, I just I've been
watching all, like of the littleclips from the Renaissance tour, and I've
just been just wishing that I wasgoing. It's like three hours of just
Beyonce. Yeah, like it's insane, but um, and she does great
covers. She does a cover ofMary J. Blige's I'm Going Down Nice.
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Um, that made me tear upa little bit. And she does
a matchup of her song love onTop with Jackson five song I Want You
Back Nice. Yeah. So that'sI was like, I gotta mention that,
you know, this is the Russis, Uh, this is Russ's
area right here, but I getRuss to like Beyonce, this is how
I'm gonna do it. Yeah,she did, Uh. I think it
might have been. I can't remember. She did a high profile performance.
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It might even been in the superBowl where she her outfit was almost exactly
a homage to Michael's outfit that heworen't the super Bowl. So yeah,
yeah, she's not afraid to showsupport for MJ, which is good because
there are so many people who don'tin the entertainment world. So but anyway,
so not surprised that you've been listeningto Beyonce? What else? Yes?
Um? So, like you guysmentioned last week I think it was
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Lauren mentioned, um some Elton John'ssongs. I had watched the Elton John
Farewell Show quote unquote Farewell Show fromthe Dodger Stadium, and that made me
fall in love with the song PhiladelphiaFreedom Nice, and so that's on my
list. We have a band thatmaybe not a lot of people have heard
of, but I love them alot called The Scarlet Opera and there's this
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really great song called Riot. Andwhen I described this group to other people,
I say, they're basically like thelove child of Freddie Mercury and the
French singer Armica. Okay, soit's a lot like that or like Sis
or Sisters. It's like that sortof realm. It's very good and can't
go wrong with that. It's invery danceable music. Another song I have
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that I've been listening to a lotand actually just discovered recently is Best Deals
cover of a Come as You Arefrom Nirvana. There you did it.
I think it was from an MTVMplugged show, But my god, it's
just like such a great cover.Um yeah, it's very cool. It's
very cool and very stripped down andamazing. So definitely suggests and you can
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find it on Itune or Spotify,so it can be included in the playlist.
So very cool. Cool and thelast sorry no no, go right
ahead. I always push it withmy Jami Jams. But also I just
wanted to give a quick little shoutout to the new Food Fighter single Rescued.
Yeah, I dig it. Ionly listened to it a couple of
times, but I yeah, I'mlooking forward to the rest of the record
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based on It's gotten me really excitedfor a new record. Yeah yeah,
which I don't know if we're allready for that so soon, but if
they're able to put it together,then you know, far be it from
me to say they shouldn't, youknow, So yeah, definitely, And
I like the music a great dealthat they that they put together on it.
So yeah, So those were ourJamie Jams. Steff briefly mentioned that
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we are have a Spotify playlist,so that will be going at least for
the next couple of weeks. Soyou will have these songs that I've said
were my Jamie Jams, some songsfrom Barl jam versus like I mentioned,
and then I will look up andput on all these songs that Seth mentioned
for his Jamie Jams, and thenwe will put the two songs on the
playlist that are the second half ofthe episode. Speaking of which we are
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going to take a quick break.When we get back, we are going
to go into the totally up atcover battle and we're going to talk about
a song Knocking to the Heaven's Door, the Bob Dylan original versus the Guns
and Roses cover and I should saycovers because we're gonna have to get into
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We are back at us from theInfectious Group podcast and along with me
is our friend Seth. Seth isa supporter of the show, a listener
of the show, a many timescontributor to the show, and has a
few podcasts of his own. Soat the end of the show, I'll
give him a chance to give outhis socials or at least his Twitter handle
if you would like to go followhim see what he's up to podcast wise
of his own shows, and youcan go check the those out. What
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we are going to do in thishalf of the episode is another one of
our totally up at cover battles andhow these work is we take an original
song that is usually fairly well known. Sometimes we do originals that aren't all
that well known, but I wouldargue that this artist in this song is
pretty well known. Then we dothat against a cover that is definitely well
known, and we tell you alittle bit about both versions. And then
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we discuss what we like about theoriginal, what we like about the cover,
if there is anything we like aboutthe original and cover, because sometimes
that happens, we've had that happen. Then we talk about which one is
our personal favorites and why, andthen on top of that we add which
one we would recommend that you gocheck out if you are interested in checking
out the song and may have neverheard either version, or if you've heard
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one and you might want to gocheck out the other, we'll let you
know if we think you should dothat. So this week is kind of
an interesting one because the original isby I would argue one of the most
well known and most praised lyricists ofall time, Bob Dylan, who a
lot of people like a lot aboutDylan, but some people can't stand his
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voice, and the cover is coveredby the singer of the band Guns N'
Roses, is oftentimes the same way, like people either love or hate the
guys vocals, which is kind ofan interesting thing because I don't think we've
had a cover battle like that yetwhere it's too it's like we haven't done
like somebody covering Rush, you know, where Getty Lee has a very devisive
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voice, and then somebody covered themwith like a better voice that people more
people can stand, you know whatI mean, or like a pro Jams
song with Adam Sandler covering it,right, yeah, yeah. So so
the song not Gonna Heaven's Door wasoriginally released in nineteen seventy three. It
was written for the movie Pat Garrettand Billy the Kid. It was included
on the soundtrack, and it wasactually written about one scene and specific in
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the movie where law man Slim Pickensis dying, which is if you listen
to the lyrics, it's like verymuch dead on for what's happening in that
scene. So Bob Dylan not gettingvery like a lyricist who's very well known
for metaphors and deeper lyrics. Thisis like a very straightforward lyric. The
single went to top ten many countriesaround the world. It's been covered by
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many, many, many many artists. The most notable, most notable of
which that I can think of asEric Clapton did a cover of it that
was very well known. And then, of course I think the most well
known cover of it, which iswhy we're doing this cover battle, is
the Guns and Roses cover of it. Now here's the thing with guns and
Roses one. So usually when wedo a cover battle, it's like there's
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one really well known cover that comesout of something and then it blows up
right, Like the one that fliesinto my mind instantly is like a smooth
criminal by Alien at Farm. Right, the Michael Jackson version was obviously a
huge hip and then the Alien atFarm version when it came out, it
like blew up immediately. Like usuallywhen people have a cover, it's not
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something that like boils up over time, which is exactly what happened with the
GNR cover Knock on Evan's Door.They actually started playing the song live in
nineteen eighty seven, and live versionsof the song were released officially but on
EPs outside the US, so itwas never like officially released in the US.
There was this is what's so crazyabout this. There was an original
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studio version of the song that appearedon the Days of Thunder soundtrack, like
well before the Usuer Illusion albums cameout. And the version that's on the
Days of Thunder soundtrack is like slightlydifferent than the studio version that's on the
User Illusion albums. And then finally, what I guess you could call a
final studio version came out on UsuerIllusion two in September of nineteen ninety one.
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It was released as a single fromUsier Illusion to also top the charts
in many countries like Bob Dylan's versiondid. And it's been played at nearly
every Guns and Roses concert since nineteeneighty seven, and it's become very very,
very long over the years. Whenyou listen to original cover versions by
Guns and Roses, it usually blocksin around three and a half four four
and a half minutes. And I'mnot kidding you now when they play it
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like in the year two thy twentythree, it's like twenty minutes long now,
So it's a jam. It's ajam song. Yeah, well it's
in my opinion, it's used aslike everybody else gets a soul also like
Axel can go take like oxygen breaksand stuff. And that's I'm not even
insulting him, like you know,when you get old, you can't do
what he does without that. Yeah, I don't want to. I don't
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want to buy the smirch the goodname of Axel Roads, but I mean,
I mean it is what it is. I you know, when you're
the guy's sixty and you know whatI mean. So I'm I'm certain I
couldn't do half of what he doeswithout an oxygen tank, so you know.
Yeah, So having said that,that is a breakdown. And that's
why this, this particular thing isa little weird. It's not like you
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know, usually Illusion came out innineteen ninety one, and then they released
this as a single. It waslike almost like G and R fans were
almost tired of the song by thetime it ended up. Unusual Illusion because
the rest of us have been livinglistening to it for like four years prior.
Right, So, having said that, we always start off with what
do you like about the original?I'll just kick us off with us.
I literally had one note on thisuntil I remembered something this afternoon. My
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one note on what do you likeabout the originals? Thanks for the lyrics,
Bob, Like you're really into thelyrics? Yeah, like yeah,
but that's it though, Like Idon't care about it at all the way
the rest of the like I don'tcare for the arrangement. I don't.
I'm not a Bob Dylan voice guy. Like, so I'll I may I
do have another note to share ina second, but literally up till I
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thought of something else this afternoon.My whole thought on it was okay,
well, thanks for writing this,Bob. I guess I have a different
appreciation for this song. I reallyenjoy Bob Dylan. I know that I
think his voice has been in therise. Like there's like certain people that
like get made fun of their voice, like what Russ is saying, and
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Bob Dylan is one of those.And I feel like his time in the
spotlight to be made fun of hislike kind of happening again right now.
But I do love Bob Dylan.M his song is Michelle's sized live out
tunic just under three minutes. Ithink, oh right, yeah, yeah,
yeah, I think Michelle would pickthis one. But yeah, like
you said, the other the othersongs are about five minutes long on the
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recordings and even longer in person.But but I I did love Bob Dylan's
version. Um, I really appreciatethe uh, the voice, I appreciate
the chorus, the backup singers theyhad there, and yeah, I don't
know. I mean it's not likeit's hard to say, like this song
is so like a lot more aboutthe song because it is such like um
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simple lyrics. There's like two versesand then just like jam. Right,
So what's interesting, and this isthe thing I remember this afternoon. What's
funny is I never really liked theoriginal arrangement of it at all, Like
I didn't really care for it atall, like you said, just like
the verse and the chorus, theverse and then you know, like a
weird jam thing. But what's funnyis when G and R completely broke up,
which would have been somewhere around likeninety five, somewhere on the ninety
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five, and then they like theband completely, like the band and Axel
just completely disappeared like off the planet, right, and they came back.
They came back in two thousand andone and two thousand and two with like
the completely new lineup, right,So it was literally like Axel Dizzey read
and like a bunch of people thatyou know, and I have a longer
storied history with this band. SoI'm not trying to do if anybody anybody
when I say this, but likea bunch of people no one had heard
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of, right, It's just likeas a Rose Dizzy read and then some
other people. But on that tourin two thousand and two, G and
R, like that version of Gand R would do knock in like the
Dylan version. Really yeah, that'scool. Yeah, totally find that.
Yeah. If you literally, ifyou just go to YouTube and type like
guns knock in two thousand and two, you'll find like any number of them
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from then. And uh So whenthey were doing that at the time,
I was like, oh man,I really like their arrangement a lot more.
I wish they were doing it likeyou know, Guns used to do
it or whatever. But it reallygrew on me, like over the tour,
like the more I heard it,I was like, Okay, yeah,
I really did that. So that'swhat all that is to say.
What's we is that G and Rended up helping me appreciate the Bob Dylan
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arrangement more. But you just needa full fusion, right, yeah,
you need you need gun yeah's playingtheir version whatever? Yeah right so yeah
and and and don't worry though theykind of What's funny is that like on
the several the next several tours fromgen R, they kind of kept like
evolving, not going to Heaven's doorto where it ended up going back to
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how it was like on the usualoriginally. Yeah, yeah, their version
anyway, so which and now,like I say, it's it's literally it's
easy twenty minutes long. When theydo it now, it's it's insane.
But they also have like the crowdsing along part and everything that's like a
big part of any G and Rsongs. Like people yet in response,
yeah, yeah a little bit.Yeah. So uh. Regarding the cover
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of the song, we always talkabout what we like about the original,
what we like about the cover.I will have you go first on this
seth because I honestly don't know,and I like when we do episodes like
this where we haven't talked much aboutit. You know, I don't know
what or if anything, you likeabout the cover versions of it, So
let me know what you think.Yeah, absolutely, so this is I
know, if you listen. Earlierin the season, we did a Man
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who Sold the World cover battle,and like we mentioned in that cover battle,
like we had heard the Nirvana versionfirst, and that's how we found
the original version. So this isactually the same situation for me personally.
I found the Guns N' Roses versionas a young child in the mid nineties
and I think, to be honest, I think a lot of people,
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whether they want to admit it ornot, I think a lot of people
the first time they ever knew knockingat Evan's door was a version from Guns
and Roses. And if you're notyou're lying, I say otherwise honestly,
Yeah, unless you were like ateenager when Dylan was big, you know,
and then you happen to be isstill in rock when gen Ar came
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out, like if you were ayounger person, and yeah, the late
eighties of the early nineties, Isincerely doubt anybody heard that one. Oh
that's that Bob Dylan song, likeBob or like maybe Russ heard the Bob
Dylan song when he was growing upor something like a teenager. All right,
so you thought it was a gI liked it. I liked it.
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Yeah, I thought it was aGENR song. And then m from
there I went and you know,listen to Bob Dylan version and found my
own appreciation for that. And Ireally liked the axelness of the covers,
if that makes sense. Yeah,like, because you know, since I
guess that maybe is not a shotfor me, since I appreciate Dylan's voice,
even though a lot of people willmake fun of it, I have
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the same affection towards Axel and hisvoice. So I really like what he
brings here, and it's it's reallyit's really good. And I really liked
towards maybe like mid to end ofthe recorded version. I really liked the
breakdown and like I thought that thebass part there is really sick and whoever
is playing the bass, and thatI prefer the recorded version. So I'm
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not sure if that's a different castor Yeah. No, at that time,
even though GNR has become a revolvingdoor of people, at that time,
the people playing on any live versionyou heard from eighty seven through like
ninety two would be the exact samepeople that are playing on the studio version
of it. So it's definitely defineCagan's playing the bass. Okay, Yeah,
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cool on that stuff. So Ifor me, Okay, So here's
the thing. First of all,the number one thing that I love about
the G and R version, aboutany GNR version is Axles of acal range.
Yeah, is insane. I mean, if you just go from the
verse of knocking an obits door,where he's doing the very the lowest Axle
things into. As soon as thechorus hits, he gets into like a
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mid range, and then by theend of the first chorus he's singing higher
than I don't know most anybody elsecan. I was very taken aback because
you did have you listen to onethe live version on user Illusion, and
I once there was like one highnote where I was just like, holy
shit, like this is insane.Yeah. Yeah. There was a big
controversy I don't know about ten yearsago or so because some program said scientifically
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Axel Rose has like the greatest vocalrange ever, and like the whole world
shipped their pants over it, likelike and Axel Rose even had to release
a letter like apologizing to people forthe fact that he's like gotta but it's
fact, Like it's a fact.The guy has an enormous vocal range that
many people you know, whether ornot you like the tone of his voice,
like it's one thing I could seegoing I don't like the sound of
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his voice, but like that doesn'tmean that his vocal range is any smaller.
And his voice is so cool toobecause because it is so unique and
also like it pairs so well withthe style of music that he makes,
like his voice almost becomes another instrumentwhen he's like singing that high it always
but it almost becomes like a guitarshredding or something. Right, No,
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I totally agree for me. Nowhere's the thing. So I think this,
like I said, with this particularcover, we're dealing with some weird
things here, because it was likea hit in the US because radio was
constantly playing those live versions that cameout overseas. So it was a hit
in the US from like mid nineteeneighty seven on until it finally came out
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on Usual Illusion two in nineteen ninetyone. So people like me, we
heard the original version, the liveversion, for like four years. So
I really really really like those versions, those like pretty much any live version
from nineteen eighty seven through nineteen ninetybecause they're so crazy and loud and messy
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and just like, yeah, evenif you listen to early enough versions of
them doing it, you can hearlike the sing along the column response thing
wasn't even automatic, like you canhear it developed where they all of a
sudden, like the crowd is singingalong loud enough that it becomes a thing
to do. The calling response.And then the biggest problem I have with
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the studio version of it is becausethere's no live crowd and there's no calling
response, you have axle duetting witha thousand axles, like you know,
what do you want? Yeah?I know, I know there's probably no
good way to do that, butstill it's just like he sings one and
then four hundred of him sings theother and then you know, so it's
just a little overdone for me.I will tell you that I think that
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although I love how messy and chaoticthose early live versions are, I think
Slash's guitar work in the studio versionis far better than any of the live
versions, and that includes after UreIllusion came out, Like especially even after
Usure Illusion came out. If yougo look on YouTube for like versions from
nineteen ninety two and stuff, Slashis like really not sure what song they're
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playing when they're playing stories, likereally unsure. There's actually probably the most
famous live version of it is probablyfrom the Freddie Mercury Tribute concert in nineteen
ninety two. They did it,and boy did that No one in the
band has any idea what song they'replaying at the same time. No,
yeah, it is. It isreally an interesting version of the song.
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Interesting It's the best word I canuse to describe it. So having said
that, we talked through a littlebit about what we liked about the original,
what we like about the cover,now it is our time to say
which one is your favorite and why. And for me this comes down to
I like, not only do Iprefer the GENR version of Knocking Out Heaven's
Door, but I personally would preferany version before the officially released version.
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So this is kind of a weirdone because, like I said from the
very top, like this is aI don't know, it's just a unique
cover battle because you know, forpeople like me, there was one version
of it that was very big hitfor like four years, and then there's
the other version that like almost everybodyelse heard first. So yes, I
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prefer the GENR version. And evenif I even if you said, okay,
but you know, you have topick the studio versions, so G
and R. I still would pickthe G and R studio version over Dylan,
and it would would no no disrespectto Bob. It's just the kind
of music I grew up on.I like the louder drums and the loud
guitar, and I like Exel's voicebetter than I like Bob's. Uh And,
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like I said earlier, thanks forwriting the lyrics, Bob, but
we'll take it from here, youknow, like that's kind of how I
feel. So which is your favorite? And why seth? Well, before
I tell you, I just haveto tell you this really funny short story
about the song. Yeah, Iwas reading because I was reading a little
bit about the song just to youknow, be prepared like a professional.
Um and I thought it was reallyinteresting. Someone did an interview with Bob
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Dylan and I forget all of thecircumstances, but basically the story goes that
Bob and um Guns and Roses werebackstage or at some event together and Bob
asks at Soul in the band,when are you going to record, you
know, do a studio version ofthat song? I want to get paid?
Well? Yeah, why not?Because I guess you know, like
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you know that because Guns and Rosestook that song to such like a new
level and made it so popular ontheir own. He was like, uh
so when am I gonna get paidfor like your big You know, he
must have got paid too, becauseusual illusions both of them sold like wildfire.
So yeah, well and he wellhe sold all of his songwrights now,
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so yeah, I know. Yeah, well everybody doesn't matter. But
to pick the to pick my favoriteversion, um, I'm kind of like
going in the middle here. Um, I would pick the Guns and Roses
studio version. To me, that'sjust like the melding of like the things
that I really like about Dylan's versionand the Guns and Roses version. For
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sure, I can see that.Yea. The live recording, um is
it. It's not a bad performanceor anything. This is not anything about
the performance or or the playing oranybody's singing. It's just the recording is
not the best. And I knowwe've talked about this before, rust we
are you and I are really interestedin hearing being able to hear the lyrics,
and I struggled to hear the lyricsin that recorded version. Well,
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I would also argue Axtell probably didn'treally know what the lyrics were. I
guess he was probably mumbling them atbest at the time. But yeah,
but yeah, I know, man, some of those live versions are so
good. But I told, yeah, I hear what you're saying, so,
now, which version would you recommendand why? Like for me,
like I say, you know,it took G and R reinventing the way
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that they do the song before Iwas fully appreciated the Dylan version. But
for me, honestly, I wouldstill recommend G n R. Like if
it were up to me and Isomebody asked me, like, you know,
hey, not glen to Heaven story. I always see that phrase,
it's that you know that a song, which version should I listen to?
Honestly, I would just tell youto listen to the G and R's version,
and really any version. I alwaystry and get people to listen to
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live versions of Knacking an Evans Door. But you know again, I would
just say, okay, well yeah, if you if you really want to
hear the studio version, then listento that. Again. I don't know
disrespect toward Bob Dylan, but Ijust would never in a million years recommend
that version of a song to anybody. If I if I was going to
recommend a version of the song,it would be the Guns and Roses one.
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So Seth, somebody walks up toyou on the street. Let's say
it was a woman named Michelle.She says, I don't know music very
well. I've heard of a songcalled Knacklean Evins Door. Which version should
I listen to? Which one?Would you tell her? I would tell
Michelle to listen to the Guns andRoses version, just because I do like
that version better. Like we've justdiscussed, it's the version I heard first.
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I have more of a bond withit, like I think, I
don't know if this is like tooadventurous to say, but I thought that
Guns and Roses really took this songand elevated it. Like, yeah,
I think so too. So Iwould definitely recommend that version two people,
but I would still I still wouldrecommend a Bob Dylan version, even though
it sounds like you probably would noteven bring it up. Yeah, I
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mean, if somebody asked me,like, is it worth listening to the
Dylan version, like I wouldn't belike, no, don't ever listen to
that, you know, but Iwouldn't tell you. I wouldn't tell you.
I mean, what's funny is withstreaming it's like, you know,
I used to say the phrase,well, I wouldn't tell you to go
out of your way to listen toit. You know and buy that.
I usually meant like, you know, don't go by the Dylan CD to
hear it, you know, Butlike now it's like that kind of doesn't
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matter anymore. So it's like,yeah, if you think of it someday,
I guess, bring it up onstreaming, but like, don't let
me put it this way, don'twrite it on a post it note that
you need to remind yourself to listento the Dylan version and this end.
When I listened to Bob Dylan music, this is like a song that's like
kind of towards the bottom of thelist of songs that I want to hear,
right, So there's that as well. Yeah, I would say that.
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I would say that if like whatyou said about gen R elevating the
song in many different ways, ifgusn Ross hadn't done that, I don't
think anybody would remember this as aBob Dylan song. Like you said,
I think there's like a dozen thatpeople would mention before they ever mentioned the
song. There's just so many greatthings that various members of Guns n' Roses
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did. I mean, you haveDuff so like his bass playing is insane
and he just is so tight inthe pocket on that groove. Axel's just
unique voice and his ability to singso high. You have that, you
have slashes guitar solo. I meanthis man is like him, and Zach
Wild are like the and Tom Morello. There's like the trifecta of like guitar
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players. So yeah, yeah,yeah, So those were our thoughts on
the song Knockindaa's Door Bob Dylan versusthe Guns and Roses version. We always
ask for feedback and yeah, wehave one more episode of this show of
the audio podcast to go tons morecoming on YouTube, but we have,
you know, one more episode ofthe audio podcast coming, so by all
means, let us know what youthink of the Bob Dylan version versus really
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any Guns an Roses version. Again, it's funny with streaming now if you
go on there, and you know, previously for years, if somebody said,
you know, knocking the oats doorby Guns and Roses, somebody would
immediately reach for a copy of UsualIllusion too. But now on streaming you
can just go to I've been Gunsand Roses knocking, and there's like,
you know, five different versions thatcome up. Because of all the live
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versions, you can make a wholeplaylist of live versions, right, yeah,
yeah, absolutely absolutely so, Uh, you know, take two time,
listen to some different versions from Gand R and let us know what
we think. Or if you're butdiehard Dylan guy and you've always hated the
GNR version or whatever, you know, let us know. Either way,
make sure to say, get somefeedback in to let us know which one
you prefer now earlier for feedback.Yeah, this is pretty much the audio
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podcast. Yeah, take to haveit read on the auto podcast. Earlier
in the show, I did mentionthat Seth is on Socials and has a
couple of different shows. So ifpeople want to come and check out your
socials or want to listen to yourpodcasts after they've heard this episode, where
are they going to go do that? Sure, so there's a few different
routes you can take. I deletedone of the podcasts. We deleted the
(43:06):
Twitter, so we can't really goto interact on that. But if you
want to just like talk to meor like listen to my silly complaints and
rans on Twitter, you're more thanwelcome to come to my personal page.
It's at Homo Seth Fuel and that'sjust where you can find me and where
I'm most active. But if you'reinterested in going to the podcast page,
(43:27):
you can go to. Well,it appears we got the episode finished just
in time, because in mid sentenceSeth had some sort of internet issue or
power issue or something along those linesand dropped out, So at least we
were at the very end of theepisode before that occurred. Having said that,
I can't finish up for Seth andtell you that if you want to
check out his music podcast, itis available on Spotify and everywhere you find
(43:50):
podcasts. It's the Trouble Trouble podcast, So go check that out. And
thank you very much, Seth forhelping us out with this episode. Having
said that, next week on theprogram, it is the final episode of
the audio side of the Infectious Grewpodcast. And I say final in kind
of doctor Evil quotes, because itwill be something that's just for a little
while. We will have episodes herenow and again and whatnot, but we
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will not have regular episodes of theprogram coming out every single week. So
next week is going to be afun one and I would assume bittersweet Michelle
and Kyle will be along with me, and we will have quite a good
time. We'll do our regular stuff, we'll read your feedback from this week,
we will do our Jamie jams,and then the second half of the
episode, we're just going to kindof free form talk through a whole bunch
of things for the past couple ofyears and send the show off on hiatus
(44:36):
the best way we know how.So that is coming up next week.
But like we always say about thistime, without music Life, we'd be
a mistake. By The infect Screwpodcast is hosted by Russ Robinson and Kyle
Whimple and Michelle cup collect produced andedited by Russ Robinson. Internal and outcome
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for joining us. Now here areyour hosts. Well hello, my name
(00:24):
is Russ and welcome to the beenultimate episode of the Infectious Group Podcast.
At least for now is what I'msaying. We'll probably have episodes now and
again in the future, but theaudio podcast will have one more episode after
this. We have like one hundredand sixties some episodes that you can go
out and check out if you've justfound us recently, or even after this
(00:45):
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we still have our YouTube channel willalways be active and producing new content.
So if you have subscribed to theInfectious Group Podcast but not subscribe to
our YouTube you yet, you shoulddefinitely go do that over in Infectious Group
Music on YouTube because we have threevideos every single week, and there are
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already hundreds of videos on there foryou to take a look at with more
coming every single week. Having saidthat, the Business of the Infectious Group
podcast still has a couple of episodesto go, and this week we are
going to do a totally upic coverbattle. Is a Bob Dylan written classic
song, Knocking on Heaven's Store againstthe Guns and Roses version that that was
(01:27):
very well known in the early nineties, and we'll actually get into that because
this is kind of an interesting coverbattle. This is one that kind of
evolved over time, so we'll getinto that in a little bit. Joining
me this week to help me outwith that. As a person you've heard
on this show several times, andyou've heard us talk about his own podcast,
He's actually had a couple of differentpodcasts in the past. His name
(01:48):
is Seth and you are joining methis week to talk about Bob Dylan versus
Guns and Roses. But if peoplewant to hear you talk about any number
of other topics, how would theydo that? Yeah? Absolutely. Like
Russ mentioned, I have been apart of a few other podcasts, none
of them are currently active right now. The one that I do about music
is called the Trouble Trouble Podcast,and I just sort of record episodes as
(02:12):
I see fit. So there areepisodes for you to listen to, of
course, and and you never knowwhen I might drop another one. Yeah,
that's slid I you know. Andthat's one thing I talk about with
this show too, is I don'tthink we ever put out a bad episode,
per se. But I do feellike, definitely this show and I'm
sure other shows start to become likea slave to oh, we have to
(02:38):
get an episode out, you know, And I'm like, I said,
I don't, you know, Imean, this could be you know,
talking. I don't feel like we'veever put out a bad episode of the
show, but I know that weput out episodes that I haven't felt great
about. Right, there was thatone with Michelle that you could maybe consider
a bad episode, right, Yeah, Well that's just the one. Yeah,
just one. That's that's about onehundred of the hundred and said we've
(03:00):
put out. But so yeah,in the going forward, this show will
very much feel the same way.If the spirit moves me and I decided
I'm really fired up about something,you know, I may put out an
episode or even do another season orsomething along those lines. But in my
opinion, Seth's got the right wayto do it. Just do it when
when you're moved to do it.And having said that, if you do
want to hear you know, it'snot like there's any shortage of episodes out
(03:23):
there. Go check out, youknow, Seth on social media and subscribe
to any of the shows and youcan check out when he's been doing.
And having said that, talking aboutwhat we've been doing, we've got some
feedback share from the last couple ofepisodes of this program. So let's get
into that. Leave that joke.Why about that? Right, it's funny
(03:44):
you mentioned that, Seth about theMichelle moments on the show, because we
have some feedback on that. Actuallyit's the last piece of feedback I have
to read and it came from YouTubetoday, but it was very funny.
Regarding the episode we did last weekabout music biopics, Dayton from Docum Podcast
writes in and says, great episode. I love the Buddy Holly story,
Gary Busey, nail day and Itotally forgot to mention that during the episode.
(04:08):
Have you ever seen that one?I haven't seen it in a while,
but I do remember enjoying it.Okay, this is this is gonna
sound like I'm going on a limbhere. Have you ever seen Ray?
I have not. Okay, I'mtrying to think of another one. Walk
the Line. Yeah, I've seenAne. Okay. So you know how
before you see Walk the Line,everybody tells you what a good job what
Kim Phanix did, and you're like, I'll be the judge of that,
(04:28):
and then you see it, Yeahagain, he did? You know?
That's how Gary Busey was in theBuddy Holly story. Like you, It's
one of those things that people justtalk about all the time. You know,
they, oh, no, GaryBusey was awesome in that, but
then when you see it, you'relike, Jesus, but Gary Busey was
awesome in that, Like yeah,yeah, I know. They say that
about Ray too. I just haven'tseen it. I don't know. I
have like a contentious personal relationship withJamie Fox that nobody else, not even
(04:55):
he's involved with. But yeah,no, I get that. I this
is a much longer thing. ButI say that a lot of times about
celebrities like Lauren. I'll say like, hey, do you want to watch
that? And I'll be like,no, her and I aren't talking right
now, or you know, yeah, Dave from Beer in Front Rights,
and it says, and this isa great question, Dave, So if
I leave feedback in the future andthere's no feedback segment, how will this
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work? Also, when is thenew Michelle's Awesome podcast starting up? So
regarding feedback, I mean, Ithink, if anything, I'm overactive on
Twitter. So any time anybody hasany feedback about best episodes or whatever we
put out on YouTube, yeah,I just feel free to throw the feedback
out there on you on Twitter,and trust me, I'll scoop it up
and you know, we'll all havefun with it. Regarding when is the
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Michelle is an Awesome podcast starting,first of all, I would never endorse
a podcast with a lie for aname. And second of all, that
podcast is going to start up justas soon as Michelle puts the time and
energy into creating and producing that podcast. So I thought you were going to
say that podcast will start just assoon as she as Michelle remembers her Twitter
(06:00):
password. Right? Yeah, Sonever, And so you said the same
thing I did. Both both ofus said never. Never, it's not
going to happen. I would Iwould listen to it though if it did
happen, right, yeah, no, yeah, well never mind, I
yes, so so what I It'snever going to happen, but yes I
would as well. Uh. JimmiePorter writes in regarding what one of Michelle's
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finer points from last week's episode,and he says, not only does Colin
Hey have a lazy eye, henamed his record label Lazy Eye Records,
and also regarding music biopics, Idon't care for if they're historically accurate or
all. I watch them for themusic. But yeah, yeah, which
I get. I did want tostart a big argument with you on this
(06:43):
episode about it because it was thetopic was discussed. But I understand your
point and I for me, that'snot a deal breaker, no, I,
And we'll make this quick. Butlike I said on the episode,
the Eldest One is wildly in accuratehistorically, but the overall point of who
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Elvis was and what he did andin my opinion, how the second half
of his life went that to me, I don't care that it's historically inaccurate
like they conveyed. Let me putit this way, and this is awfully
pretentious. This is awfully pretentious ofme to say this, but I feel
like they covered Elvis's life the wayElvis would have wanted it covered, Okay,
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Whereas Freddie Mercury, if Freddie couldsee that biopic, he would be
like, but that's not how itwent though, Like, I think it's
ridiculous to put his diagnosis in frontof Live Aid for the drama of it
like that. Well, it totallydetracts from what Queen did as a band
at Live Aid. Sorry, Ithat was probably inappropriate. No, no,
(07:50):
no, I get it. I'mjust saying. That's why I don't
care if they you know, theymess with things here and there or whatever
else. It's just when you whenyou, in my opinion, what they
did with the Queenland, when theymoved it around that much, they they're
physically taking away from it, youknow what I mean. Well, I
mean, I'll throw myself to thewoods or to the wolves. I should
say. I loved the Bohemian Rhapsodybiopic. I mean I thought, you
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know, inaccuracies aside, it wasa very compelling, it was very compelling
storytelling. Yeah, despite the personthat directed the majority of it. My
big issue with it was just thatand like it kind of ruined the whole
thing for me, so I meanI cried every time, so they accomplished
what they wanted to. I don'tknow if I seriously don't know if I
mentioned this during the biopic episode,and if I didn't, I'd be surprised.
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But the one the biopic that makesme cry every single time, like,
no matter what is Selena if youwatch have you seen it? I
don't know if I I mean Iknow her story. Okay, Well,
if I even try and tell youhow they handle the end of the movie,
like, I will literally get chokedup trying to explain to you,
like that's how much I cry whenI watch the end of the movie,
because like, especially when you knowsomething like as coming, but the way
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they handle it in the movie tenminutes before it happens, I start choking
up, like and then I likefull on ugly cry by the end of
it. It's terrible. Anyways,speaking of videos and whatnot, over on
YouTube, we had our friend Trevorleft us comment that says, I wish
there was a video of your podcastthe Top five Michelle what the fuck moments
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and more than five? Well,no, I said, first, I
said, first of all, Ishould be able to dig up five pretty
easily. And second of all,I mean I don't need video for that.
I can dig up five audio onesand do that episode of that video.
So that may be coming to ourYouTube channel just kind of as a
as a tribute to our queen.I will have to find five. I
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will have to have her give mefive Michelle approved pictures of herself to use
to put on the stop. Yeah, that which that is going to be.
That's where what's going to hold thatvideo up? I think you're gonna
get like two and a half goodpictures, right, no kidding, Yeah,
just recycle through them for But likeDave asked, where do you leave
the feedba, I can leave thefeedback on any sort of social media.
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You can leave a comment on ourYouTube page. We will at least do
this one more again next weekend ornext week whether on that program when Michelle
and Kyler with me, we willgo through feedback one more time. Speaking
of segments, we got a coupleof times to go. We're going to
do this one one more time.Our Jimmy, our Jammie Jams. It
is the segment where we tell youwhat we've been listening to. And I
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have a wild bunch of stuff,and I don't know, maybe Dayton's comment
is what got this stuck in myhead. But three songs that I'm gonna
mention have just been randomly stuck inmy head this weekend for like or this
week for no reason whatsoever. Andthen one album in particular I've just had
stuck in my head and I knowwhy that is. But one song that's
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been stuck in my head is asong called every Day by Buddy Holly,
which I just have to assume thatit's just because Dayton mentioned the Buddy Holly
story. But like, I haven'thad like that I'll Be the Day or
anything or Piggy Sue or anything stuf. It's literally been like every single day
at some point in the day,I have that song every day in my
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head. So it's so catchy,it's so fun to sing. It's so
good. Yeah, Yeah, themelody is super cool to sing. Yeah,
I'm really like trying to restrain myselfand not sing it no iPhone though
I know it's yeah, I know, I've been walking around the house doing
that. Another one song that couldn'tbe any different in this one, I
don't know why it popped into myhead. The other day, but Thomas
Dolby she blinded Me with Science,which I think is just it's one of
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the most unique songs I've ever heardin my life. And it's just that
country. No, no, sheblinded me with Science is not country.
That was your very own Michelle momentjust now like I had to have one.
Well, I was like, Iwas like, I've never heard of
this person before, so like theguy's name, sound like the country artist.
When we're done with this episode,I want you to go on Spotify
and look up she Blinded Me withScience by Thomas Dolby, and then you
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tell me if it's a country song, is it in surround sound? I
don't. I don't believe, soit surrounds sound a good one. Oh
sorry everyone. Yeah. I puton a tweet the other day that it
is time that the song Faithfully isbetter than Open Arms by Journey. It's
time we all start talking about it. So I think Faithfully is, if
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not my favorite Journey song, it'sup there, and I think it crushes
Open Arms. And even though OpenArms gets all the attention, So I've
had that stuck in my head.Then lastly, and this one here again,
I think is just because I recently, I had a gift card to
burn, so I purchased an albumoff of on vinyl, off of the
internet and it got delivered, andI think that's why I've had it just
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stuck in my head constantly. Andthat's the Pearl Jam versus So you know,
go the Animal Rear, your miracglorified g I mean, that record
is just so ridiculously good. Ipersonally revere that album as, if not
the best sophomore album of all time, it's in the discussion of the best
sophomore records of all time. Soso a variety of stuff that I've been
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listening to lately were my Jamie jams. That's what were your Jamie jams this
past week? So you know youdon't like to come with a handful of
Jammie jams. I could go onforever, but you know, I tried
to to limit my my Jammie jams. But starting my Jamie jams this week.
I know Russ doesn't know this,and maybe not anybody else listening to
this podcast knows this, but theRenaissance World Tour started this week. Yes,
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and also to you, if you'vebeen listening to podcast, you know
about my relationship and love for Beyonceand how rozz Kyle and Michelle relate to
that. So I just had tohave one of her songs as one of
my Jamie jams this week because I'vebeen listening to her a lot, and
I chose End of Time from heralbum four. I am at least a
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couple of Beyonce records behind Four isolder though, right, Yeah, okay,
definitely like mid two thousands. Ohthat's right, okay, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. I just I'm not
I don't even know if i'd sayKyle and Michelle hate Beyonce. They maybe
they do. I don't really hateBeyonce. She's just kind of there for
me, you know, So Ishould catch up more on her stuff than
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I have. But I at leastI think I do know through that.
Yeah, because that's like her lastthree albums were, you know, Renaissance.
Um, why am I blinking?Because I'm herself titled in Lemonade,
So it's this is even before thosethree, gotcha, So we're you know,
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we're definitely a few albums back.But yeah, I just I've been
watching all, like of the littleclips from the Renaissance tour, and I've
just been just wishing that I wasgoing. It's like three hours of just
Beyonce. Yeah, like it's insane, but um, and she does great
covers. She does a cover ofMary J. Blige's I'm Going Down Nice.
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Um, that made me tear upa little bit. And she does
a matchup of her song love onTop with Jackson five song I Want You
Back Nice. Yeah. So that'sI was like, I gotta mention that,
you know, this is the Russis, Uh, this is Russ's
area right here, but I getRuss to like Beyonce, this is how
I'm gonna do it. Yeah,she did, Uh. I think it
might have been. I can't remember. She did a high profile performance.
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It might even been in the superBowl where she her outfit was almost exactly
a homage to Michael's outfit that heworen't the super Bowl. So yeah,
yeah, she's not afraid to showsupport for MJ, which is good because
there are so many people who don'tin the entertainment world. So but anyway,
so not surprised that you've been listeningto Beyonce? What else? Yes?
Um? So, like you guysmentioned last week I think it was
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Lauren mentioned, um some Elton John'ssongs. I had watched the Elton John
Farewell Show quote unquote Farewell Show fromthe Dodger Stadium, and that made me
fall in love with the song PhiladelphiaFreedom Nice, and so that's on my
list. We have a band thatmaybe not a lot of people have heard
of, but I love them alot called The Scarlet Opera and there's this
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really great song called Riot. Andwhen I described this group to other people,
I say, they're basically like thelove child of Freddie Mercury and the
French singer Armica. Okay, soit's a lot like that or like Sis
or Sisters. It's like that sortof realm. It's very good and can't
go wrong with that. It's invery danceable music. Another song I have
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that I've been listening to a lotand actually just discovered recently is Best Deals
cover of a Come as You Arefrom Nirvana. There you did it.
I think it was from an MTVMplugged show, But my god, it's
just like such a great cover.Um yeah, it's very cool. It's
very cool and very stripped down andamazing. So definitely suggests and you can
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find it on Itune or Spotify,so it can be included in the playlist.
So very cool. Cool and thelast sorry no no, go right
ahead. I always push it withmy Jami Jams. But also I just
wanted to give a quick little shoutout to the new Food Fighter single Rescued.
Yeah, I dig it. Ionly listened to it a couple of
times, but I yeah, I'mlooking forward to the rest of the record
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based on It's gotten me really excitedfor a new record. Yeah yeah,
which I don't know if we're allready for that so soon, but if
they're able to put it together,then you know, far be it from
me to say they shouldn't, youknow, So yeah, definitely, And
I like the music a great dealthat they that they put together on it.
So yeah, So those were ourJamie Jams. Steff briefly mentioned that
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we are have a Spotify playlist,so that will be going at least for
the next couple of weeks. Soyou will have these songs that I've said
were my Jamie Jams, some songsfrom Barl jam versus like I mentioned,
and then I will look up andput on all these songs that Seth mentioned
for his Jamie Jams, and thenwe will put the two songs on the
playlist that are the second half ofthe episode. Speaking of which we are
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going to take a quick break.When we get back, we are going
to go into the totally up atcover battle and we're going to talk about
a song Knocking to the Heaven's Door, the Bob Dylan original versus the Guns
and Roses cover and I should saycovers because we're gonna have to get into
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We are back at us from theInfectious Group podcast and along with me
is our friend Seth. Seth isa supporter of the show, a listener
of the show, a many timescontributor to the show, and has a
few podcasts of his own. Soat the end of the show, I'll
give him a chance to give outhis socials or at least his Twitter handle
if you would like to go followhim see what he's up to podcast wise
of his own shows, and youcan go check the those out. What
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we are going to do in thishalf of the episode is another one of
our totally up at cover battles andhow these work is we take an original
song that is usually fairly well known. Sometimes we do originals that aren't all
that well known, but I wouldargue that this artist in this song is
pretty well known. Then we dothat against a cover that is definitely well
known, and we tell you alittle bit about both versions. And then
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we discuss what we like about theoriginal, what we like about the cover,
if there is anything we like aboutthe original and cover, because sometimes
that happens, we've had that happen. Then we talk about which one is
our personal favorites and why, andthen on top of that we add which
one we would recommend that you gocheck out if you are interested in checking
out the song and may have neverheard either version, or if you've heard
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one and you might want to gocheck out the other, we'll let you
know if we think you should dothat. So this week is kind of
an interesting one because the original isby I would argue one of the most
well known and most praised lyricists ofall time, Bob Dylan, who a
lot of people like a lot aboutDylan, but some people can't stand his
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voice, and the cover is coveredby the singer of the band Guns N'
Roses, is oftentimes the same way, like people either love or hate the
guys vocals, which is kind ofan interesting thing because I don't think we've
had a cover battle like that yetwhere it's too it's like we haven't done
like somebody covering Rush, you know, where Getty Lee has a very devisive
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voice, and then somebody covered themwith like a better voice that people more
people can stand, you know whatI mean, or like a pro Jams
song with Adam Sandler covering it,right, yeah, yeah. So so
the song not Gonna Heaven's Door wasoriginally released in nineteen seventy three. It
was written for the movie Pat Garrettand Billy the Kid. It was included
on the soundtrack, and it wasactually written about one scene and specific in
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the movie where law man Slim Pickensis dying, which is if you listen
to the lyrics, it's like verymuch dead on for what's happening in that
scene. So Bob Dylan not gettingvery like a lyricist who's very well known
for metaphors and deeper lyrics. Thisis like a very straightforward lyric. The
single went to top ten many countriesaround the world. It's been covered by
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many, many, many many artists. The most notable, most notable of
which that I can think of asEric Clapton did a cover of it that
was very well known. And then, of course I think the most well
known cover of it, which iswhy we're doing this cover battle, is
the Guns and Roses cover of it. Now here's the thing with guns and
Roses one. So usually when wedo a cover battle, it's like there's
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one really well known cover that comesout of something and then it blows up
right, Like the one that fliesinto my mind instantly is like a smooth
criminal by Alien at Farm. Right, the Michael Jackson version was obviously a
huge hip and then the Alien atFarm version when it came out, it
like blew up immediately. Like usuallywhen people have a cover, it's not
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something that like boils up over time, which is exactly what happened with the
GNR cover Knock on Evan's Door.They actually started playing the song live in
nineteen eighty seven, and live versionsof the song were released officially but on
EPs outside the US, so itwas never like officially released in the US.
There was this is what's so crazyabout this. There was an original
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studio version of the song that appearedon the Days of Thunder soundtrack, like
well before the Usuer Illusion albums cameout. And the version that's on the
Days of Thunder soundtrack is like slightlydifferent than the studio version that's on the
User Illusion albums. And then finally, what I guess you could call a
final studio version came out on UsuerIllusion two in September of nineteen ninety one.
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It was released as a single fromUsier Illusion to also top the charts
in many countries like Bob Dylan's versiondid. And it's been played at nearly
every Guns and Roses concert since nineteeneighty seven, and it's become very very,
very long over the years. Whenyou listen to original cover versions by
Guns and Roses, it usually blocksin around three and a half four four
and a half minutes. And I'mnot kidding you now when they play it
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like in the year two thy twentythree, it's like twenty minutes long now,
So it's a jam. It's ajam song. Yeah, well it's
in my opinion, it's used aslike everybody else gets a soul also like
Axel can go take like oxygen breaksand stuff. And that's I'm not even
insulting him, like you know,when you get old, you can't do
what he does without that. Yeah, I don't want to. I don't
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want to buy the smirch the goodname of Axel Roads, but I mean,
I mean it is what it is. I you know, when you're
the guy's sixty and you know whatI mean. So I'm I'm certain I
couldn't do half of what he doeswithout an oxygen tank, so you know.
Yeah, So having said that,that is a breakdown. And that's
why this, this particular thing isa little weird. It's not like you
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know, usually Illusion came out innineteen ninety one, and then they released
this as a single. It waslike almost like G and R fans were
almost tired of the song by thetime it ended up. Unusual Illusion because
the rest of us have been livinglistening to it for like four years prior.
Right, So, having said that, we always start off with what
do you like about the original?I'll just kick us off with us.
I literally had one note on thisuntil I remembered something this afternoon. My
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one note on what do you likeabout the originals? Thanks for the lyrics,
Bob, Like you're really into thelyrics? Yeah, like yeah,
but that's it though, Like Idon't care about it at all the way
the rest of the like I don'tcare for the arrangement. I don't.
I'm not a Bob Dylan voice guy. Like, so I'll I may I
do have another note to share ina second, but literally up till I
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thought of something else this afternoon.My whole thought on it was okay,
well, thanks for writing this,Bob. I guess I have a different
appreciation for this song. I reallyenjoy Bob Dylan. I know that I
think his voice has been in therise. Like there's like certain people that
like get made fun of their voice, like what Russ is saying, and
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Bob Dylan is one of those.And I feel like his time in the
spotlight to be made fun of hislike kind of happening again right now.
But I do love Bob Dylan.M his song is Michelle's sized live out
tunic just under three minutes. Ithink, oh right, yeah, yeah,
yeah, I think Michelle would pickthis one. But yeah, like
you said, the other the othersongs are about five minutes long on the
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recordings and even longer in person.But but I I did love Bob Dylan's
version. Um, I really appreciatethe uh, the voice, I appreciate
the chorus, the backup singers theyhad there, and yeah, I don't
know. I mean it's not likeit's hard to say, like this song
is so like a lot more aboutthe song because it is such like um
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simple lyrics. There's like two versesand then just like jam. Right,
So what's interesting, and this isthe thing I remember this afternoon. What's
funny is I never really liked theoriginal arrangement of it at all, Like
I didn't really care for it atall, like you said, just like
the verse and the chorus, theverse and then you know, like a
weird jam thing. But what's funnyis when G and R completely broke up,
which would have been somewhere around likeninety five, somewhere on the ninety
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five, and then they like theband completely, like the band and Axel
just completely disappeared like off the planet, right, and they came back.
They came back in two thousand andone and two thousand and two with like
the completely new lineup, right,So it was literally like Axel Dizzey read
and like a bunch of people thatyou know, and I have a longer
storied history with this band. SoI'm not trying to do if anybody anybody
when I say this, but likea bunch of people no one had heard
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of, right, It's just likeas a Rose Dizzy read and then some
other people. But on that tourin two thousand and two, G and
R, like that version of Gand R would do knock in like the
Dylan version. Really yeah, that'scool. Yeah, totally find that.
Yeah. If you literally, ifyou just go to YouTube and type like
guns knock in two thousand and two, you'll find like any number of them
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from then. And uh So whenthey were doing that at the time,
I was like, oh man,I really like their arrangement a lot more.
I wish they were doing it likeyou know, Guns used to do
it or whatever. But it reallygrew on me, like over the tour,
like the more I heard it,I was like, Okay, yeah,
I really did that. So that'swhat all that is to say.
What's we is that G and Rended up helping me appreciate the Bob Dylan
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arrangement more. But you just needa full fusion, right, yeah,
you need you need gun yeah's playingtheir version whatever? Yeah right so yeah
and and and don't worry though theykind of What's funny is that like on
the several the next several tours fromgen R, they kind of kept like
evolving, not going to Heaven's doorto where it ended up going back to
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how it was like on the usualoriginally. Yeah, yeah, their version
anyway, so which and now,like I say, it's it's literally it's
easy twenty minutes long. When theydo it now, it's it's insane.
But they also have like the crowdsing along part and everything that's like a
big part of any G and Rsongs. Like people yet in response,
yeah, yeah a little bit.Yeah. So uh. Regarding the cover
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of the song, we always talkabout what we like about the original,
what we like about the cover.I will have you go first on this
seth because I honestly don't know,and I like when we do episodes like
this where we haven't talked much aboutit. You know, I don't know
what or if anything, you likeabout the cover versions of it, So
let me know what you think.Yeah, absolutely, so this is I
know, if you listen. Earlierin the season, we did a Man
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who Sold the World cover battle,and like we mentioned in that cover battle,
like we had heard the Nirvana versionfirst, and that's how we found
the original version. So this isactually the same situation for me personally.
I found the Guns N' Roses versionas a young child in the mid nineties
and I think, to be honest, I think a lot of people,
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whether they want to admit it ornot, I think a lot of people
the first time they ever knew knockingat Evan's door was a version from Guns
and Roses. And if you're notyou're lying, I say otherwise honestly,
Yeah, unless you were like ateenager when Dylan was big, you know,
and then you happen to be isstill in rock when gen Ar came
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out, like if you were ayounger person, and yeah, the late
eighties of the early nineties, Isincerely doubt anybody heard that one. Oh
that's that Bob Dylan song, likeBob or like maybe Russ heard the Bob
Dylan song when he was growing upor something like a teenager. All right,
so you thought it was a gI liked it. I liked it.
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Yeah, I thought it was aGENR song. And then m from
there I went and you know,listen to Bob Dylan version and found my
own appreciation for that. And Ireally liked the axelness of the covers,
if that makes sense. Yeah,like, because you know, since I
guess that maybe is not a shotfor me, since I appreciate Dylan's voice,
even though a lot of people willmake fun of it, I have
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the same affection towards Axel and hisvoice. So I really like what he
brings here, and it's it's reallyit's really good. And I really liked
towards maybe like mid to end ofthe recorded version. I really liked the
breakdown and like I thought that thebass part there is really sick and whoever
is playing the bass, and thatI prefer the recorded version. So I'm
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not sure if that's a different castor Yeah. No, at that time,
even though GNR has become a revolvingdoor of people, at that time,
the people playing on any live versionyou heard from eighty seven through like
ninety two would be the exact samepeople that are playing on the studio version
of it. So it's definitely defineCagan's playing the bass. Okay, Yeah,
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cool on that stuff. So Ifor me, Okay, So here's
the thing. First of all,the number one thing that I love about
the G and R version, aboutany GNR version is Axles of acal range.
Yeah, is insane. I mean, if you just go from the
verse of knocking an obits door,where he's doing the very the lowest Axle
things into. As soon as thechorus hits, he gets into like a
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mid range, and then by theend of the first chorus he's singing higher
than I don't know most anybody elsecan. I was very taken aback because
you did have you listen to onethe live version on user Illusion, and
I once there was like one highnote where I was just like, holy
shit, like this is insane.Yeah. Yeah. There was a big
controversy I don't know about ten yearsago or so because some program said scientifically
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Axel Rose has like the greatest vocalrange ever, and like the whole world
shipped their pants over it, likelike and Axel Rose even had to release
a letter like apologizing to people forthe fact that he's like gotta but it's
fact, Like it's a fact.The guy has an enormous vocal range that
many people you know, whether ornot you like the tone of his voice,
like it's one thing I could seegoing I don't like the sound of
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his voice, but like that doesn'tmean that his vocal range is any smaller.
And his voice is so cool toobecause because it is so unique and
also like it pairs so well withthe style of music that he makes,
like his voice almost becomes another instrumentwhen he's like singing that high it always
but it almost becomes like a guitarshredding or something. Right, No,
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I totally agree for me. Nowhere's the thing. So I think this,
like I said, with this particularcover, we're dealing with some weird
things here, because it was likea hit in the US because radio was
constantly playing those live versions that cameout overseas. So it was a hit
in the US from like mid nineteeneighty seven on until it finally came out
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on Usual Illusion two in nineteen ninetyone. So people like me, we
heard the original version, the liveversion, for like four years. So
I really really really like those versions, those like pretty much any live version
from nineteen eighty seven through nineteen ninetybecause they're so crazy and loud and messy
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and just like, yeah, evenif you listen to early enough versions of
them doing it, you can hearlike the sing along the column response thing
wasn't even automatic, like you canhear it developed where they all of a
sudden, like the crowd is singingalong loud enough that it becomes a thing
to do. The calling response.And then the biggest problem I have with
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the studio version of it is becausethere's no live crowd and there's no calling
response, you have axle duetting witha thousand axles, like you know,
what do you want? Yeah?I know, I know there's probably no
good way to do that, butstill it's just like he sings one and
then four hundred of him sings theother and then you know, so it's
just a little overdone for me.I will tell you that I think that
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although I love how messy and chaoticthose early live versions are, I think
Slash's guitar work in the studio versionis far better than any of the live
versions, and that includes after UreIllusion came out, Like especially even after
Usure Illusion came out. If yougo look on YouTube for like versions from
nineteen ninety two and stuff, Slashis like really not sure what song they're
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playing when they're playing stories, likereally unsure. There's actually probably the most
famous live version of it is probablyfrom the Freddie Mercury Tribute concert in nineteen
ninety two. They did it,and boy did that No one in the
band has any idea what song they'replaying at the same time. No,
yeah, it is. It isreally an interesting version of the song.
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Interesting It's the best word I canuse to describe it. So having said
that, we talked through a littlebit about what we liked about the original,
what we like about the cover,now it is our time to say
which one is your favorite and why. And for me this comes down to
I like, not only do Iprefer the GENR version of Knocking Out Heaven's
Door, but I personally would preferany version before the officially released version.
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So this is kind of a weirdone because, like I said from the
very top, like this is aI don't know, it's just a unique
cover battle because you know, forpeople like me, there was one version
of it that was very big hitfor like four years, and then there's
the other version that like almost everybodyelse heard first. So yes, I
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prefer the GENR version. And evenif I even if you said, okay,
but you know, you have topick the studio versions, so G
and R. I still would pickthe G and R studio version over Dylan,
and it would would no no disrespectto Bob. It's just the kind
of music I grew up on.I like the louder drums and the loud
guitar, and I like Exel's voicebetter than I like Bob's. Uh And,
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like I said earlier, thanks forwriting the lyrics, Bob, but
we'll take it from here, youknow, like that's kind of how I
feel. So which is your favorite? And why seth? Well, before
I tell you, I just haveto tell you this really funny short story
about the song. Yeah, Iwas reading because I was reading a little
bit about the song just to youknow, be prepared like a professional.
Um and I thought it was reallyinteresting. Someone did an interview with Bob
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Dylan and I forget all of thecircumstances, but basically the story goes that
Bob and um Guns and Roses werebackstage or at some event together and Bob
asks at Soul in the band,when are you going to record, you
know, do a studio version ofthat song? I want to get paid?
Well? Yeah, why not?Because I guess you know, like
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you know that because Guns and Rosestook that song to such like a new
level and made it so popular ontheir own. He was like, uh
so when am I gonna get paidfor like your big You know, he
must have got paid too, becauseusual illusions both of them sold like wildfire.
So yeah, well and he wellhe sold all of his songwrights now,
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so yeah, I know. Yeah, well everybody doesn't matter. But
to pick the to pick my favoriteversion, um, I'm kind of like
going in the middle here. Um, I would pick the Guns and Roses
studio version. To me, that'sjust like the melding of like the things
that I really like about Dylan's versionand the Guns and Roses version. For
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sure, I can see that.Yea. The live recording, um is
it. It's not a bad performanceor anything. This is not anything about
the performance or or the playing oranybody's singing. It's just the recording is
not the best. And I knowwe've talked about this before, rust we
are you and I are really interestedin hearing being able to hear the lyrics,
and I struggled to hear the lyricsin that recorded version. Well,
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I would also argue Axtell probably didn'treally know what the lyrics were. I
guess he was probably mumbling them atbest at the time. But yeah,
but yeah, I know, man, some of those live versions are so
good. But I told, yeah, I hear what you're saying, so,
now, which version would you recommendand why? Like for me,
like I say, you know,it took G and R reinventing the way
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that they do the song before Iwas fully appreciated the Dylan version. But
for me, honestly, I wouldstill recommend G n R. Like if
it were up to me and Isomebody asked me, like, you know,
hey, not glen to Heaven story. I always see that phrase,
it's that you know that a song, which version should I listen to?
Honestly, I would just tell youto listen to the G and R's version,
and really any version. I alwaystry and get people to listen to
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live versions of Knacking an Evans Door. But you know again, I would
just say, okay, well yeah, if you if you really want to
hear the studio version, then listento that. Again. I don't know
disrespect toward Bob Dylan, but Ijust would never in a million years recommend
that version of a song to anybody. If I if I was going to
recommend a version of the song,it would be the Guns and Roses one.
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So Seth, somebody walks up toyou on the street. Let's say
it was a woman named Michelle.She says, I don't know music very
well. I've heard of a songcalled Knacklean Evins Door. Which version should
I listen to? Which one?Would you tell her? I would tell
Michelle to listen to the Guns andRoses version, just because I do like
that version better. Like we've justdiscussed, it's the version I heard first.
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I have more of a bond withit, like I think, I
don't know if this is like tooadventurous to say, but I thought that
Guns and Roses really took this songand elevated it. Like, yeah,
I think so too. So Iwould definitely recommend that version two people,
but I would still I still wouldrecommend a Bob Dylan version, even though
it sounds like you probably would noteven bring it up. Yeah, I
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mean, if somebody asked me,like, is it worth listening to the
Dylan version, like I wouldn't belike, no, don't ever listen to
that, you know, but Iwouldn't tell you. I wouldn't tell you.
I mean, what's funny is withstreaming it's like, you know,
I used to say the phrase,well, I wouldn't tell you to go
out of your way to listen toit. You know and buy that.
I usually meant like, you know, don't go by the Dylan CD to
hear it, you know, Butlike now it's like that kind of doesn't
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matter anymore. So it's like,yeah, if you think of it someday,
I guess, bring it up onstreaming, but like, don't let
me put it this way, don'twrite it on a post it note that
you need to remind yourself to listento the Dylan version and this end.
When I listened to Bob Dylan music, this is like a song that's like
kind of towards the bottom of thelist of songs that I want to hear,
right, So there's that as well. Yeah, I would say that.
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I would say that if like whatyou said about gen R elevating the
song in many different ways, ifgusn Ross hadn't done that, I don't
think anybody would remember this as aBob Dylan song. Like you said,
I think there's like a dozen thatpeople would mention before they ever mentioned the
song. There's just so many greatthings that various members of Guns n' Roses
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did. I mean, you haveDuff so like his bass playing is insane
and he just is so tight inthe pocket on that groove. Axel's just
unique voice and his ability to singso high. You have that, you
have slashes guitar solo. I meanthis man is like him, and Zach
Wild are like the and Tom Morello. There's like the trifecta of like guitar
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players. So yeah, yeah,yeah, So those were our thoughts on
the song Knockindaa's Door Bob Dylan versusthe Guns and Roses version. We always
ask for feedback and yeah, wehave one more episode of this show of
the audio podcast to go tons morecoming on YouTube, but we have,
you know, one more episode ofthe audio podcast coming, so by all
means, let us know what youthink of the Bob Dylan version versus really
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any Guns an Roses version. Again, it's funny with streaming now if you
go on there, and you know, previously for years, if somebody said,
you know, knocking the oats doorby Guns and Roses, somebody would
immediately reach for a copy of UsualIllusion too. But now on streaming you
can just go to I've been Gunsand Roses knocking, and there's like,
you know, five different versions thatcome up. Because of all the live
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versions, you can make a wholeplaylist of live versions, right, yeah,
yeah, absolutely absolutely so, Uh, you know, take two time,
listen to some different versions from Gand R and let us know what
we think. Or if you're butdiehard Dylan guy and you've always hated the
GNR version or whatever, you know, let us know. Either way,
make sure to say, get somefeedback in to let us know which one
you prefer now earlier for feedback.Yeah, this is pretty much the audio
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podcast. Yeah, take to haveit read on the auto podcast. Earlier
in the show, I did mentionthat Seth is on Socials and has a
couple of different shows. So ifpeople want to come and check out your
socials or want to listen to yourpodcasts after they've heard this episode, where
are they going to go do that? Sure, so there's a few different
routes you can take. I deletedone of the podcasts. We deleted the
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Twitter, so we can't really goto interact on that. But if you
want to just like talk to meor like listen to my silly complaints and
rans on Twitter, you're more thanwelcome to come to my personal page.
It's at Homo Seth Fuel and that'sjust where you can find me and where
I'm most active. But if you'reinterested in going to the podcast page,
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you can go to. Well,it appears we got the episode finished just
in time, because in mid sentenceSeth had some sort of internet issue or
power issue or something along those linesand dropped out, So at least we
were at the very end of theepisode before that occurred. Having said that,
I can't finish up for Seth andtell you that if you want to
check out his music podcast, itis available on Spotify and everywhere you find
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podcasts. It's the Trouble Trouble podcast, So go check that out. And
thank you very much, Seth forhelping us out with this episode. Having
said that, next week on theprogram, it is the final episode of
the audio side of the Infectious Grewpodcast. And I say final in kind
of doctor Evil quotes, because itwill be something that's just for a little
while. We will have episodes herenow and again and whatnot, but we
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will not have regular episodes of theprogram coming out every single week. So
next week is going to be afun one and I would assume bittersweet Michelle
and Kyle will be along with me, and we will have quite a good
time. We'll do our regular stuff, we'll read your feedback from this week,
we will do our Jamie jams,and then the second half of the
episode, we're just going to kindof free form talk through a whole bunch
of things for the past couple ofyears and send the show off on hiatus
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the best way we know how.So that is coming up next week.
But like we always say about thistime, without music Life, we'd be
a mistake. By The infect Screwpodcast is hosted by Russ Robinson and Kyle
Whimple and Michelle cup collect produced andedited by Russ Robinson. Internal and outcome
the six composed by Chris Kimmel,recorded with a road podcast or pro and
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