"Infinite Banter: 200th Episode"

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Infinite Banner Podcast with DJ Soundwave.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
We have reached the two hundred show.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Y'all get ready to have a wonderful time. Fifth Penny Here.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
It is another episode, two hundredth episode of the Infinite
Banter Podcast. What is going on? My name is Mark
Jolif aka DJ Soundwave or his past guest Lou Temple
called me DJ Boombox. Shout out to him, and shout
out to all the guests that have been on this show.
Two hundred episodes. It's just crazy. When I sit back,
I can think about It's like, man, that's a lot

(01:01):
of work, a lot of effort, a lot of dedication,
a lot of fun doing this thing. This episode basically
is going to be kind of like you know those
old Johnny Carson episodes where you know, they have like
a bunch of clips from past guests and do something
like that instead of doing like a new episode. Although
this is considered a new episode, I would say, although
cool Kim later on you'll hear he kind of says

(01:23):
I don't do new episodes. I just rewrack them all.
It's kind of accurate for this one. You'll hear that
later on. But spoiler, yeah, a lot of those old
TV shows, what they would do is they would just
show a bunch of the best the greatest hits of
how many years that show was on the air. So
this show started in February twenty nineteen and has gone
on here now through two hundred episodes running into twenty

(01:44):
twenty five coming up here. Taking me a little bit
of time to get this episode going because it's a
lot going on personally, and since I wanted to do
a I wouldn't call this a best of. That's impossible
for me to really do because it would have to
be more than you know, the ninety minutes two hours
I'm going to dedicate to this episode. This is more
just like I was just trying to find spots or
guests or moments that kind of take you through different

(02:05):
times that this show was evolving. So other two hundred
episodes I've done probably only like four or just me
by myself. I'm not bringing back anything from those. You
want to hear those, go find them, they're there for you.
But what I'm gonna do is I've got twenty segments
from twenty different guests, and I'm going to put them
in little groups kind of doing like a mix. You know,
my guy DJ Rill would understand this. You know, you're
putting a set together. You try to group songs together,

(02:28):
you try to put them in different places, like what's
the one that's gonna start it, what's the one that's
in the middle, were you ending it? What song transitions
into the other one? What's kind of the same thing here.
I try to put these guests and groups together that
kind of have some sort of association, but not necessarily directly.
You know, I'm not going to play you know, hip
hop artists right next to you know, an actor. I could,

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but I'm not doing that. So I'm trying to kind
of categorize them in ways where they're little pockets of
entertainments that will make sense when you hear it. So
stay tuned. We've got twenty guests segments coming up here.
I've broken them up in six groupings, so stay tuned
for that. It's gonna be a lot of fun coming
back with some of these old flashbacks and hearing some
of these old interviews that many of my Day one

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listeners have heard before, but maybe I haven't heard in
a long time, and some of you have maybe only
checked in the last couple episodes or so go back
and check these out if you want to hear the
fool because it's hard for me just to find three
four minutes of these interviews that I've done that sometimes
go an hour and just find what's the best part
of it. Maybe I should bring this part back. So
that was a science behind all this. So stay tuned,
get a drink, kick back, and check out the two

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hundredth episode or the Infinite Banter podcast. And before I
get started, I do want to dedicate this a friend
of mine passed away recently, Mark Beans, but we called
him Preach, knowing him a long time over twenty years,
and just want to dedicate this episode to him. I
know he listened. I know he cared about what I
did and had a lot of good times with him

(03:54):
in the past, and you know, I was glad that
he made it out to my wedding. You're in some
change ago, so you know, definitely thinking about brother Preach,
and he is a big fan of hip hop music
and he was a big fan of what I did
here and going back to my college days when I
first met him. When you would hear me and Dj
Rilwan doing our show on w CRX eighty eight point

(04:15):
one FM for Columbia College. So, you know, big, big
dedication going out to him. Definitely want to do this
with him in mind and dedicate this episode to him.
So we're all thinking about you preach rest in peace, man,
and this episode definitely is done in your honor, So
salute to you, my friend. When I was starting to
think about doing the two hundredth episode here of this podcast,

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I had a hard time thinking of anything that had
a two hundred milestone that you would think of as
like a reference point. You know, like getting two hundred
hits in a baseball season is pretty big. That's a
big deal. Yeah, something like that, right, rushing for two
hundred yards or receiving two hundred yards in a football game.
But there's not a lot of milestones that's attached to
two hundred. For whatever reason, it doesn't have like the big,

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you know, number attached to it. Nobody's celebrating somebody getting,
you know, two hundred home runs in their career. I mean,
you'll mention it, right. Nobody's gonna go to the Hall
of Fame because of it. So anyway, I'm saying all
that because I was trying to think of something that
would be, you know, reflective of two hundred. And I
love comic books. I read comic books. I have a
bunch of them, tons of them. My closet is full

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of them. It's pretty crazy how many I have. I
got something. I don't even know how many I have
at this point. But I started looking up, well, what
are some you know, monumental or memorable issues, you know,
number two hundred of a comic book. And there's a
few that really stood out, and I just want to
put them out here. And you know, all my comic
book nerds that are listening, you definitely might know some
of these, or maybe you want to look for them.

(05:41):
I need to buy a couple of these because I
don't have these, any of them. I'm sure I don't
have enough money to buy some of these either. But
some of the ones that stood out, although I might
have this one iron Man two hundred from November eighty five,
that's like right when I was a kid first buying
stuff and Iron Man had the silver suit. I remember
liking that look that came out there in the mid eighties.
There's a cool Daredevil one from November of eighty three

(06:02):
where he's standing over Bullseye, kind of like the Muhammada
a Li picture. He laid him out. Daredevil's got like
the uh the wrapped arm. I don't know if it's
from like if it was broken. I don't know the
story behind it, but he had like the wrappings around
his arm. It's something that some injury it occurred. There's
a cool Action Comics Superman one from January of nineteen
fifty five where he's fighting Native Americans. I don't know

(06:22):
what's going on inside of that one, but hopefully the
Superman isn't really fighting them. But there's two that really
stood out for me, and I think I need to
find these two. There's one Captain America from August to
seventy six, Captain American Falcon, and it says America will
die on the cover. I was like, ehh, that's a
little too uh. That's current. That's not August nineteen seventy six,

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that's that's December twenty twenty four. Holy crap. So that
one really stood out to me. And then another one
which I just think it just looks cool and I
might have to find out how much it costs if
I can get one. Wonder Woman two hundred from June
of seventy two. It has like a horror vibe to it.
So the cover has wonder woman like on this table
where she's she's not able to get up. It's like

(07:05):
a torture room or something. And it says the beauty Hater,
and it's got some lady with a knife standing in
the doorway. It looks like something straight out of a
horror movie. And I need this in my life Number
two hundred from nineteen seventy two. I need this. I
need to find it. So there's a little tangent there
on two hundred. All my comtbook nerds, look for those books.

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Some of you might actually have them. Put one in
my stocking for me if you get a chance. All right,
let's get into it. The two hundred episode of the
Infinite Banter Podcast. Many guests. It's an extravaganza all that,
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(08:13):
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Let's get into it. Two hundred episodes of this show

(08:35):
right here, The Infinite Banter Podcast. Let's get into it.
The first segment is coming up here, but we don't
do anything because it started this way around episode five
where DMC would introduce this show. Well, nothing's changed here
he's doing it again. So before the show goes any
further and hits that that number, that milestone number, the
legend from Queen's DMC, he gets on he says this,

(08:59):
and now it's official. Yo, Yo, what's up?

Speaker 4 (09:02):
This is me DMC to Ki and g the greatest
MC in history. And right now you're listening to Infinite
Banta because we will banta on forever, because this is
the only place for all of you all.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
To ever be.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
I be Infinite Bana.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
So let's kick off this two hundredth episode of the
Infinite Banter Podcast. We're gonna have flashbacks from five different
past guests and they're gonna be broken up into four segments.
So I'm gonna start things off with Jason Warner Smith.
He's an actor who's on The Walking Dead. It's on
a lot of TV and movie roles as well. He
was a fun guest and wanted to bring him back.
Following him up will be Russell Todd, one of my

(09:40):
favorite guests I've ever had on here. He was in
Friday Thirteenth, Part two. He was on a different world
to soap opera, many other places as well. He is
gonna be the second person you hear in the third
part of the segment. You're gonna have two guests together.
So earlier this year I had Theotis Crane and Pamela
Davis Nolan, who are part of the short film room
for this, and I wanted to make sure I include

(10:01):
them in here because it was very, very important content
we were bringing you with that interview and so much
going on with that short film. So you will hear
from both of them in one segment there, and then
after them you will hear Nathan Hamill, son of Mark Hamill,
who we all know is Luke Skywalker. He came on
the show about a year and a half ago to
talk about his figures and things of that nature that
he had coming up at a comic book convention, and

(10:24):
a lot of fun talking with him. So stay tuned.
We got a block of guests right here, Jason Warner Smith,
Russell Todd, Theotis Crane, Pamela Davis Nolan, and Nathan Hamill,
all in this segment here on the two hundredth episode
of the Infinite Banter podcast Big Time Flashback.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
Hey, this is Jason Warner Smith and you are listening
to Mark Jolliffe on Infinite Banter.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Banter.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
It always felt like Gavin was the one savior who
This is how I took him as like somebody who
really didn't like being that job, Like he was a
guy who went to work every day. It's like somebody
who manages like a store or something. That was the work.
He punches a clock, but when something goes wrong, he's like,
ah shit, I gotta do this all right, you know.
So I could relate to him because we've all had
jobs that we do don't necessarily like them. It's felt

(11:11):
like Gavin but rather doing something else, but this is
what he's doing now, and he's dealing with these you know,
ulter egos and crazy people. But that's what it felt
like as a as a viewer. Was that how you
portrayed Gavin?

Speaker 7 (11:24):
Yeah, I mean that's what it evolved into.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
I mean, that's the thing about doing multi episode television
is that the characters evolve over time. And because what
happens is if you're fortunate like I was, the writers
start writing to you, they figure out like, oh okay,
because I can remember it distinctly because my first day,

(11:47):
my first episode, we only Josh and I only worked
one day. We were in, we were out, and then
we were gone for months because we were That was
episode two or three, I can't remember which it was
now of season seven, and then we didn't come back
until like episode ten or eight or something like that.
And so between the time we shot that first one

(12:10):
and based upon what they saw me do in that
first one and how I was portraying Gavin, because not
everybody gets to see that. Just the Nicotara, the director,
and the showrunners and producers and writers I guess watched
the audition and then they'll adjust the script a little.
Maybe I don't know, but then after seeing my performance, they're.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:30):
This is Gavin's middle management. He doesn't want us wrote,
you know, And so they wrote that way. And I
can remember because my director on the first episode was Nikotaro.
He's the one that actually got me hired, so I'm
in forever in debt to him. My second director was
Jeff January, who I had not met until that day.

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He kept after every take, he's like, grumpy Dad, grumpy
er Dad, trump here and grumpier. That's what he wanted,
and that's how the script was kind of written, and
that's how I, you know, Gavin evolved into this you know,
pissed off guy that.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Just let's get this over with.

Speaker 8 (13:07):
You know.

Speaker 6 (13:08):
It's a character that they hadn't had on.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
The show before, so it was it was such.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
An honor to be given the responsibility of carrying that
through that short time.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
That I was on the show.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, it never really felt like a villain. He just
kind of like a reluctant, you know, bad guy. But
if the if tables are turned, he would be the
same guy on the other side. He just kind of like,
you gotta do this today, like.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
Yeah, and he and honestly, at the core of all that,
Gavin's a coward.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
That's why he's there.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
You know, I don't know, we don't know how he
fell in with the Saviors, but my imagination tells me that,
you know, he was with another group. The Saviors came
in and they killed off some people and said, now
you're with us, and he's like, now I'm with you, yep, Megan,
And and then he you know, and he had really
good managerial skills and he got stuff done, and he's

(14:00):
reliable and he got you know, so he rose up
the ranks and that's how, you know, and he didn't
cause trouble and he didn't threatened Egan.

Speaker 8 (14:09):
Uh, and he you know, got shit done and so.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
And you know, it didn't matter what mood he was
in he Just Got It Done.

Speaker 9 (14:16):
Hey, it's Russell Todd from Friday the Thirteenth, Part two,
Another World soap Opera and Shopping Mall. Just did a
podcast with Mark I called The Infinite Banter.

Speaker 10 (14:25):
Check it out soon.

Speaker 9 (14:26):
What's interesting when you're when you're making a horror film
and you're literally, you know, you're when you're not shooting
and you're hanging out with with the killer, like in
this case Jason, and you're talking and everything. You know
that it's you know, this is not really you're just
shooting a movie, but at night. And I've told the
story before, but we would walk home from the lodge
to our cabins we were staying, and which was maybe

(14:46):
a twenty minute walk or fifteen minute war from the lodge,
but it was just dirt road with really tall pine
trees on both sides, and we'd when the moon, you know,
beautiful moon up above, and you'd walk by, you know.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
You'd be released one by one.

Speaker 9 (14:59):
So quite often I be walking on that road by myself,
and invariably, invariably there would be another cast member or
a crew member in the trees going.

Speaker 11 (15:09):
Kill, kill, kill, Oh my god, scared of the shit.

Speaker 10 (15:12):
Out of you, and it did.

Speaker 9 (15:13):
And you know that you just shot the scene with
Jason down down the road there and it's not real,
but you were still get scooked.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Well, not only that this is only the second one.
It's not like it's part of the lexicon or something.
Everybody's like familiar with this.

Speaker 10 (15:25):
Yeah, yeah, it was just just beginning.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, that's crazy. Were you guys conscious of that, because
obviously this is the second one, but in a way
it's almost it's the first real Jason movie. And were
you guys kind of feeling that.

Speaker 9 (15:37):
Yeah, we were incognizant of anything except we were young.
A bunch of young people being hired to do seq
well to a movie.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
We all appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (15:45):
I mean I saw the first one and like everyone else,
I was scared and I enjoyed it. So having the
opportunity to come back to do a sequel was really cool.
So I loved that when I got booked for this movie.
But you have no idea when you're shooting something. First
of all, if it's going to be released and you
never write and then enjoyed, respected reviewed, well whatever, and

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you know, and it is what it is, and if
it will have legs, and in this case, it had
quite the legs.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yeah, they made how many of them?

Speaker 12 (16:14):
Right?

Speaker 3 (16:14):
And you know, thirty years later, forty years later, we're
still talking about all these movies, and I.

Speaker 9 (16:19):
Know it's just phenomenal and amazing, and you know, all
of us, I know in Part two, and I'm sure
and all of them are, you know, very appreciative of
the fans and how they've kind of really just embraced
this franchise for all these years.

Speaker 10 (16:31):
And it's not just the ones that have been around
since it came out, but there's so many.

Speaker 9 (16:35):
New people every year, you know, that that are getting
into horror because it's such a big thing still, and
so generation after generation after generation are seeing these movies,
are seeing you know, my film there, and it's wonderful.
It will go on in perpetuity, and who knows if
there'll be more of them.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, there's chances of I keep hearing there's going to
be possibly something. And I know Vicente de Santi from
wamp Stump Films, I had them on here a few
months act. He has a fan film coming out, Never
Hike Alone, too, and it's got Tom Matthews from Part
six and some of the characters from that, and so yeah,
that's it. There's still a lot being made, but as
far as like a big feature film, yeah, that's still on.

Speaker 9 (17:12):
The rights, and the rights are in some sort of
legal issue right now, so I think that's what's stopping
another because there was one that was supposed to be
made I don't know, four or five years ago maybe,
and that stopped. So there's still there's a battle over
the rights. But you know, they're making a TV series
right now about it, well, as soon as the strike's over, right,
I got right, Yeah, yes it is. It is a prequel.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, that should be interesting and to see how they
I guess it'll be a young miss four. He's and
possibly the father. You don't really hear much about him.
He seems like he's a bad guy if he doesn't
show up for anything, so yeah, maybe they'll get into
that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, who knows.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, or young Scott's you know when we first got
the Slingshot or whatever we first see first see you,
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (17:55):
I wrote Brian Fuller, the producer, and I had I
said you should bring Scott back.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, right, that'd be pretty cool. Or you could play
Scott's dad dropping off a younger Scott now.

Speaker 9 (18:05):
Or you say that because that's a great plot for
another Friday where all the we play our parents and
we come back, yeah, and we look like ourselves, and
we come back to foreclosure, you know, to a camp
to find out, you know, what went on, and then
of course we get picked off one by one.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Right, watch up for this kid, Scott. You might watch
you while you're swimming in the lake. Be careful, quit
take your clothes from you. Back to that scene where
you're hanging upside down? Were you doing that the whole time?
Was Was that also a stunt person doing some of that?
Because the first swing is like really violent when you first.

Speaker 9 (18:40):
Get in the actual swing as a stunt person who
goes into the trap and flies upside down.

Speaker 10 (18:45):
Yes, but then it cuts to me.

Speaker 9 (18:47):
In the close up, of course, and then then it's
me for the rest of the scene. And when we
did the actual you know, Jason slitting my throat.

Speaker 10 (18:55):
I was up there for a while. I think it
was thirty minutes or something, thirty forty minutes.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
It must have felt like a long time.

Speaker 9 (19:00):
Well, what they did is they had a couple of
guys that were holding my shoulders up, so it wasn't
fully inverted.

Speaker 10 (19:06):
And so the blood was wasn't rushing in my head.

Speaker 9 (19:09):
And at that point they were just fine tuning a
little touch up on the on the prosthetic I had
on my neck, which was pre cut, so I didn't
they didn't.

Speaker 10 (19:16):
Michelle didn't even have to cut it open, thank god.
But it was pre set.

Speaker 9 (19:20):
And then there was a guy up in a tree
above me with a big tank full of blood, fake
blood to pump it down a hose which was running
through my leg, got my shirt and then of course
to my neck and did They said, look, we need
to get this in one one take because there's a
lot of blood and it's gonna you know, it'd be
tough to redo it. So that made me a little nervous,
but you know, we got it on one take, which

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was great. You know, just reacted to what was happening,
and it obviously it cuts a lot sooner.

Speaker 12 (19:46):
Than it would have liked.

Speaker 9 (19:47):
But the the sensors were really strict on this one
for some reason, on all the death scenes, cutting them
really quickly. And although you see more in that box set,
you know with all the Fridays, uh, there's commentary in that,
and you see the blood flow longer and fuller, and
I think eventually went into my eyes and we had
you know, then we had it totally cut.

Speaker 10 (20:07):
But you see more in that in that box set.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
That's crazy, Like you're saying, you got to do the
one take and oh, by the way, you're upside down
and you know all that stuff. It's like, you got
to get it right the first time. That's that's a
lot to put on you. But yeah, right right, no
pressure at all.

Speaker 7 (20:22):
This is Theoda's crane for Room for Dessert, the Walking
Dead of five Nights at Freddy's. Now, I'm here to
say congratulations the Mark for his two hundred episode of
Infinite Banter.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
You know, the thing I loved about his character is
that he's sympathetic even though he I guess technically you
know he is the bad guy, right, but he's not.
He's not a bad guy. He was Circumstances brought him
to this this moment, this this turning point, and and
things pushed him to a point he did. He even
says that he did everything right, everything he's supposed to do,

(20:54):
and he's still in this spot no matter what. Talk
about that dynamic of just the everyday struggle of just
black Americans in his country and there just trying to
do the right thing, and there's just obstacles that are
always in your path rights.

Speaker 13 (21:10):
And the backstory of that, you know, is his mother,
uh telling him that, you know, as a as a child,
you know, if you just take your time eating, you know,
you know, take small bites, you know, little SIPs, don't
drink a lot, you know, don't don't put a lot
of fluids in and just you know, eat, you eat
all of your food and then you'll and then you'll
save room for dessert.

Speaker 11 (21:28):
And he did that in his life.

Speaker 13 (21:31):
He took his time, he did everything right, he did
everything by the books as he was instructed to do
in this country as as a man, you know, and
still not able to get to your desert. How frustrating
is that both of them, John was having dessert and
he lost his life.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Is found on that dynamic, theel a little bit.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I appreciate ll four things in America.

Speaker 7 (21:55):
You don't actually realize how many opportunities toil happens back
and it's across the board. Is the medical system, is
the issue systems, it's it's you know, the police on
the street. It's how people view you in the bar room,
how people class street. We don't really fully understand it

(22:15):
a lot of time until your older or until somebody
aliminates that. And so my biggest frustration comes years later.
And so my like relating my story to this story.
Nobody told me ahead of time. You have to do
all this extra work I learned the along the way,

(22:36):
and you get to a point where it's like, why
am I doing this? You know, it would be easier
to just uh go for what people typically go for.
That gets into trouble, But yeah, like it was. I mean,
on the one hand, it was. It's kind of gratifying
to play out of that frustration, you know, to just
to especially with being able to go home at the

(22:58):
end of it and forget how many of those feelings
you have you have to step down to operate on
a regular basis, right, and so uh bodying this character,
Oh right, it's off by a lot of stuff. You
forget about it. You forget like, oh, yeah, I'm perfectly

(23:19):
appreciated about it and you and you kind of can't
be if you want to move forward. And so there's
a there's definitely like the double standard. There's a there's
a I had to be disarming. Like you you you
never get.

Speaker 14 (23:33):
A second change, a diverse impression, but.

Speaker 7 (23:36):
I had to become a king of second impressions and
so uh you know things like that and so yeah,
like and eventually ways, it eventually gets to a point
where I don't want to operate like that anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I want to do what I want to do, you know.

Speaker 7 (23:51):
So I definitely feel them, but I will say my
mindset is probably you're in line with the cook. You know, uh,
you do what you gotta do. But I definite that killer.
Like I said, as I get older, as my eyes
are open, some more things and I'm woken up to

(24:12):
more realities like the man always speaking the truer.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah, you know the line from the movie that really
I took with me after I watched it in your
characters sitting at the booth and he talks about, you know,
the conflict of you know, we just want equality, but
what if revenge was something it reminded me of, like
an old Tupac line from this song I wonder if
Heaven's got a ghetto where he says, just think if
we decide to retaliate like that. That verse kind of

(24:37):
popped in my head afterwards. I was thinking about that
song and I always tend up, you know, putting music
to things too when when I think of something.

Speaker 11 (24:43):
Yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
That line really like hit me, Like, you know, I
watched it again and it's like, there's that and I
knew that line was coming. I'm like, this is the
part that's going to just hit me in the gut
talk about just I feel like that really sums up
what he's dealing with. And you know, he was at
that moment where he had to decide, you know, do
I just try to go forward and do the right
thing or do I take this other way? And uh,
I feel like that one really hits. That was a

(25:05):
really powerful moment in the film.

Speaker 11 (25:07):
Yeah, yes, thank you. See all you want to.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Spound on that, there wouldn't be hell to pay. So
all I can really say about it.

Speaker 7 (25:18):
There is is It's a complicated part of a complicated topic,
you know, because like I don't believe in absolutees.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
There's no one hundred percent of anything.

Speaker 7 (25:29):
Not all the type of people, like not all people
in prison or criminals, not all police offracies have the
same outlook, you are a part of the group, and
so you are responsible for an aspect.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
If it was a matter of.

Speaker 7 (25:46):
Fits equality, you know when first off, it would be
tragic because you know they're going to be unforeseen cases.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
You know they're going to be uh, it's going to
turn into that.

Speaker 7 (26:00):
You remember back in the day when they were I
think it was like a board game or something kept
pushing a civil war or either a bordame or a
documentary something, but it was like a neighbor versus neighbor,
brother versus brother.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
It will be a lot of that.

Speaker 7 (26:15):
It will be a lot of And I mean that's
been uh, and I'm not it's long, but it has
been really really eliminated by our current political situation. You know,
when you look at how many people are starting to
like raise their voyage for for how I've been surprised
at by a lot of people and like just.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
What they feel strongly about. I worked to not pass
any judgments on anybody.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
And it's been it's been the last four years have
been shocking to find out what something you know, And
so I think that kind of pressure cooker, you really
see how people thought about it, You really see you know,
where people's heads are because you kind of see it now,
this symbolism that always has been there's i mean, we

(27:05):
even have a new competitive flag.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
People don't even realize it, you know, but that's what
it is, you know.

Speaker 7 (27:11):
So yeah, you know, be a mess.

Speaker 13 (27:15):
Yeah yeah, it's not something that you know would benefit anyone, right, right,
And and so that that's the that's the point that
I like to you know that I would like to
say that I'm trying to make uh with the film Again.
I always say, you know, room for Dessert is not
an answer.

Speaker 12 (27:32):
It's a question.

Speaker 13 (27:32):
You know, it's a what if question, you know, And
before it would get to that point, we got to
get a solution.

Speaker 12 (27:40):
What what's the solution?

Speaker 13 (27:41):
Before it gets to this point where this young man
took it this far, you know, he had made a
decision that day, he was going to he was going
to end his life. But the only thing that he
wanted on his last day on earth was to get finally,
just get something that he wanted, and that was his
favorite dessert.

Speaker 11 (27:59):
And it was that that diner.

Speaker 13 (28:01):
And when he gets there, he sees there's only one
flight left and it's about to be taken.

Speaker 11 (28:07):
Oh no, this is it right? And that's that's what happens.
He literally just snapped, Hi, this.

Speaker 13 (28:14):
Is Pamela Davis Nolan, writer and director of the award
winning short film Room for Dessert. Congratulations Mark on two
hundred episodes of Infinite Banter. What in honor?

Speaker 15 (28:25):
Thank you for having me as a guest.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
I got to ask about the because I haven't seen
Megan yet. It's it's on my list of movies I
need to get around to. And the fact that you
know one of your figures is in it's in the movie.
Talk about how that came about and just the whole
origin story of how your figure ended up in a
movie that ended up being a pretty big hit.

Speaker 16 (28:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (28:44):
I happened to my friend who saw My friend Darina,
who saw a streaming of it, happened to text me
and just said, hey, cay't you Frank it's in the movie.
And so of course my friend Nikil and I went
and checked it out and it was.

Speaker 16 (29:01):
It was a shop.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
We were just waiting.

Speaker 16 (29:02):
We loved the movie, but we were of course there
going when's it gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (29:05):
When are we going to see it?

Speaker 16 (29:07):
It was Drena messing with me.

Speaker 14 (29:09):
Uh right, it was.

Speaker 16 (29:12):
It was really cool it it happens really quickly, so
I actually I pre ordered the Blu ray so I
could pause it. But they they they listed the three
D Retro the manufacturer.

Speaker 17 (29:22):
And it was a collaboration with Toma, who's a one
of my favorite designers, toymakers, Japanese artists, who we essentially
split the character down the middle and I designed one
side and he did the other side.

Speaker 16 (29:35):
So it was an honor to work with him, and
I still am.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Believe it, and I'm sure when you see it on screen,
it's just like, wow, this is really cool to see
that in the back. We've all grown up on movies
where there's toys in the background and makes you want
to go buy the toy, or it makes you want
to have you see the commercials or something like that
out did did you get a lot of you know,
people asking about getting one of those figures once the
movie came out.

Speaker 17 (29:58):
We we sent one to Violet McGraw, who's the little
girl in the movie. And yeah, just as a as
a thank you, I'm curious to check out the uh,
the extras because I want to see if there's I
wanted in high definition.

Speaker 16 (30:14):
First of all, I need a hard copy there forget, but.

Speaker 17 (30:18):
Yeah, to see if there, you know, there's anything on
the commentary of how it happened, because it was.

Speaker 16 (30:22):
Just a you know, happy surprise for me to see
that it was in there.

Speaker 17 (30:25):
And also it's kind of referred to as, uh, you know,
the favorite toy of Alison Williams collection, So that was, yeah,
it was It was very cool to see that.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
And talk about the toy itself, you know, was it
something you always had in the mind to make, Like
how did what was the origin of just making that toy?
How did it come about?

Speaker 16 (30:46):
We we wanted to I mean I wanted to work
with him. He's one of my favorites.

Speaker 17 (30:49):
So when I found out that he was game to
uh to collaborate, it was just a dream come true.
Like still his stuff check it out tone or Toma
RT and he used to work for Sega. We're working
on the socc the Hedgehog, some of the later games
and you play I think Sonic CD, you look at

(31:12):
and go, oh, okay, that's his And I checked with
him and he's got a very very unique style.

Speaker 16 (31:18):
But we did.

Speaker 17 (31:19):
We were really I was really excited to work with
them and We went through iterations and had a couple
of different designs, and you know, we kind of we
took our.

Speaker 16 (31:26):
Time to pick the right one. You know, we could
jump in and work on one.

Speaker 17 (31:30):
That it was I think like a boy in a
robot suit or a character on a giant fought.

Speaker 16 (31:36):
It was just we were just playing around with stuff.

Speaker 17 (31:38):
And this was Ben Gretzky's idea that he's the owner
of three D Retro and also runs Designer Con in Anaheim.
He said, why don't you just split it down the middle,
And we just had a template and we were just
kind of mixing and matching the pieces and found just
came up with something that pleased both of us and
and uh, there there you are or there we were.

Speaker 12 (32:01):
You're right.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
And then Frank, it's like just one of those timeless
you know monsters, universal monsters creatures. You know, you could
always come out to some different variation of you know,
a frankn science that's really cool. And you said, Sega CD,
which has taken me back, by the way, I think
I have one in my closets somewhere next to like
my Nintendo.

Speaker 18 (32:18):
In the third few actually got to the point where
it was like it was just this monstrosity that was
stacked upon, you know, a piece after piece before they
came out with Saturn and then the Dreamcast and their
swan song.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
So oh wow, there you go. I still have a
working Atari twenty six hundreds, so I'm totally dating myself
right now.

Speaker 16 (32:38):
But I'm a Nintendo guys. But I played the I
played the Autari. I think even.

Speaker 17 (32:45):
The Odyssey two oh nice that was laying around and
that was I think the first my parents were playing
that where you'd actually taken inlay or like a template
and put it on the on the TV to play
the game.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
It wasn't God, It's crazy.

Speaker 19 (33:01):
A little more advanced than Pong, but not Yes, big Doug,
yeah right, but yeah, yeah, don't get me started on Nintendo.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
We'll be here.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
How much time do you have?

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah right, how much take you on?

Speaker 17 (33:19):
Hey, it's Nathan Hammill from two Dam Dino's and I
wanted to give congratulations to Mark on reaching two hundred
episodes of the Infinite Banter podcast.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
So for the second segment of flashbacks on a two
hundredth episode of the Infinite Banter Podcast, wanted to bring
in a grouping of people that have been on this
show that have a lot more athleticism than I do,
and everybody listening probably as well, without a doubt they too.
It's not even a question. And in the past, you know,
I've actually had a few wrestlers on the show, and

(33:49):
two of them I wanted to bring back here. At
the time I interviewed her, her name was rock Cy.
This is back in twenty nineteen, isn't the early days,
and she was young. I mean, she was barely eighteen
or about to turn eighteen at the time. But currently
she's an NXT, which is the developmental basically the next
level of WE. The people who are in NXT are
eventually going to be stars at WWE. She is there

(34:11):
right now and she's been champion there. She's doing her
thing there. She goes by a named Roxane Perez currently.
But back when I interviewed her, she was rock c
and I saw her at an independent house show and
I was like, Wow, she's gonna be pretty good someday.
I thought that, and I wanted to find her and
get her on the show here. I don't think I
realized how young she was, but really amazing, and the

(34:32):
story she tells here is really funny about going on
greyhound buses because she couldn't drive yet, because she wasn't
able to and she couldn't go driving anywhere. She's so young,
trying to just get herself in the craft of wrestling.
And then you go from the opposite end, so it's
somebody who's barely starting in it, who's on the come
up of being a star, to somebody who was a star.
It was in the game for years and years, and

(34:54):
he's reflecting back on those old days. B Brian Blair
from the old WWF era Killer Bees, and he was
in the AWA and so many other wrestling associations. He
wrote a book about it, Truth be Told. He's been
on the show a couple of times and wanted to
bring back him talking about a funny story about Andrea Giant.
And last but not least, not a wrestler, but somebody
who definitely looks like one. Kyle Farnsworth a former baseball

(35:16):
pitcher played with the Cubs and the Yankees and the
Braves and many other teams. He became a bodybuilder later
on in life and currently and I brought him on
to talk about his transition to becoming a bodybuilder and
his reflection on his day's pitching. So that's what you're
gonna hear here in this segment. You can hear Roxxy,
although she's known now as Roxanne Perez b Brian Blair,
and Kyle Farnsworth here in this segment, the Very Athletics

(35:38):
segment of the Infinite Banter Podcast two hundred episode Flashback Extravaganza.
I need to get a better tagline. Here we go.

Speaker 20 (35:46):
This is Roxy and you're listening to Infinite Janser.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
I was watching the match you had with It was
a six pack match with you and AQA and Alex
Garcia Hi on the championship match and the announcer so
that you had taken a greyhound to get there. That
was your dedication, So that was pretty funny. I'm assuming
that was true, right, that's what you're talking about right now.

Speaker 20 (36:09):
Yeah, So, since I am pretty young, I can't really
drive out of town by myself, so I do have
to be taking greyhounds when I don't have other people
to ride along with from loreto So yeah, I do
every now and that I do have to be taking

(36:30):
greyhounds to Houston. I think every I do for the
most part, every month, I at least take one greyhound
because we have that monthly show for row and so yeah,
I usually took a greyhound too and back, which is
pretty those greyhounds, they're usually about seven eight hours, and

(36:51):
in a car it's only six hours. So I think
one time I was actually in a greyhound for eleven
hours driving to Houston just because of like, yuck, yeah,
all the stuff that was going on with the grain
with my bush specifically, it was it was the worst.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
I mean, I've taken megabus before. I don't know if
you're familiar with mega bus, I don't even know if
there's still around. It's like a dollar to go to,
like you know, a city in the next state or something.
But I've never physically taken a greyhound. I can't imagine
that it's the best experience, but I'm sure every every
ride is different. I'm sure there's sometimes it's not that bad,
but I can I can't even imagine what it's like

(37:31):
to be on a on a long bus ride like that.
You probably get bored or try to sleep or something.

Speaker 20 (37:35):
Oh yeah, I always try to sleep. But you know,
there's always different types of smells on those busses.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Play guess the smell, what's what is that? Where not
to sit? So speaking of that match, I just referenced
that was a fun match to watch where all six
of you were going at it and Grassi ended up
winning the title. Talk about that match and what it
was like working with those five.

Speaker 20 (38:00):
That match was that was actually one of my favorite
matches to this day. I love all those girls are
just so good and so talented. It was just really
special to be able to share the ring with all
five of them at the same time. Yeah, I had
wrestled each of them in seeing those matches, just for

(38:20):
all of us to be there at the same time
was it was just so fun.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
And speaking of traveling, are there any cities you haven't
been to that you're looking forward to traveling to see
to go to to wrestle and are there any that
you've gone to? Like, you know what, I will never
go there again. And if you don't want to say,
I understand you might. I don't if you want to
piss anybody.

Speaker 12 (38:38):
Off, But.

Speaker 20 (38:40):
Like in Texas specifically, or.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Texas or even across the country anywhere.

Speaker 20 (38:43):
Oh, I think I don't think I've had any that
experiences honestly, in any in any city.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Hmm.

Speaker 20 (38:53):
I really like traveling to Chicago.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
There you go, there's your Brownie points, because that's where
I'm at.

Speaker 20 (38:59):
So yeah, I loved because I really want to go back.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I mean, technically it's Berwin, you know.

Speaker 21 (39:07):
But yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, And speaking of that, I saw you, you know,
I saw you had Rise and Shimmer back in March,
me and a couple of friends of mine. That was
the first time I ever saw you wrestle, and that
was a tremendous weekend. I mean, you guys put on
a great show all three nights.

Speaker 20 (39:21):
Yeah, that was such a good experience. So I didn't
know that I was going to be resting for Shimmer.
I was booked on Ride. That was our wrestled. It
was it was me on Chris Wolfe's team again, two
young teams, and that was such a creat I don't
know if you remember that.

Speaker 14 (39:39):
Oh my god, fun match.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Well, Sue Young and the with the undead brides that
come out and then Chris wolf with all her personality
and everything going on. That's just that's just a fun
match to watch with all the personalities going on in
that one.

Speaker 20 (39:53):
Yeah, that was so fun. But yeah, after that match,
they had mentioned that they wanted me to do the
Shimmer of the Summer dates for that weekend, which is
pretty that's pretty amazing.

Speaker 22 (40:05):
Infinite Banner man, Wow, what a name.

Speaker 23 (40:07):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (40:08):
Man, I've been from Maine to Spain and deep down
in the Ukraine, from ocean to ocean, to coast to coast, north, south,
east and west, but one place I've never been is
to the Infinite Banner.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
You know, one of my favorite stories in the book
was you and Dusty Rhodes and Andrea Giant and the
Peace story. I mean, it's definitely one of those that
had till I put the book down and think about
what I was reading for a second. That's just one
of the highlights. If you can elaborate on that one
a little bit. And you know, people when you get
this book, they'll see, you know, so many stories in here,
but that one definitely stood out.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (40:39):
I mean, we were I had a powder blue Lincoln
Continental in nineteen seventy two, powder blue Lincoln Continental that
I had since high school and it was a great
art this particular time, we were in the Louisiana Territory
working for Bill Watts, and you know, whenever Dusty.

Speaker 11 (40:59):
Came in town.

Speaker 24 (41:00):
Would always ride with me, and same with Andrea. They
both like the big the room and the big Lincoln.
And of course I'm easy company. I just I like
to listen a lot. So we're in Jackson, Mississippi, and
in January, I believe it was January, and with sunshining,

(41:20):
probably about forty degrees, which seemed really warm at the time.
Dusty had a he had a West Texas state long
sleeve kind of T shirt on, not really a sweatshirt,
you know, kind of a thick T shirt. And Andrea
had a Hyavea which he wore very often. Just had
a white T shirt with a white Hyavea that wasn't

(41:44):
even buttoned up. It's kind of a colored Spanish stylish shirt.
It's a Hyaa, but which Andrea wore constantly. He had
a few colors, but mostly so Dusty says to me.
He says, he says people. He always called me people.

(42:04):
He said, people, listen, you need to go to the
liquor stall and you need to pick us up, uh
some alcohol. You need to get the giant two bottles
of Crown Royal, two.

Speaker 11 (42:16):
Of the big bottles. Get him a case of Budweiser,
and I'm just listening, you know, just like, oh God,
that's a lot of alcohol.

Speaker 24 (42:23):
And he says, get me a case of long Stan.
He said, you're driving, you can get a six pack
of any kind you want. So he hands me a
couple of hundred bucks and I go to the liquor
store and get everything that he wanted. Before I left too,
he told me, he said, pick up a cooler. He said,
we're going to Greenville, Mississippi, and he said it's going
to be very very cold, very cold, and we might

(42:46):
not want to pee outside.

Speaker 11 (42:48):
We might want to pee in a cooler. I said, okay,
it's crazy.

Speaker 24 (42:53):
I just I did as he said, you know, he said,
went to the liquor store, picked up the two bottles
of Crown Royal, the case of Budweiser, case of the
Lone Star, and I forget what kind of six pack
I got.

Speaker 11 (43:06):
I got some kind of six pack. And we get
in the car. You know, it's great listening to the stories.

Speaker 24 (43:12):
We start heading up and now it's a little bit cooler.
It's about an hour later, it's maybe a hour and
a half one thirty two o'clock, and we got about
two hundred and twenty miles to go and straight north
from Jacksonssissippi. And you know, I'm kind of worried because

(43:33):
I didn't want to tell them that my heater was broke,
was broken, so you know, I had a defroster and
it kind of cleared the window, but the actual heater
didn't work. And I'm waiting for him. But the whole
time up there, you know, they're drinking. They don't say
a word about the heater, and I'm kind of clock.
I got a big thick jacket on, and I'm driving
just listening to those guys playing some country and western music,

(43:53):
you know, and Hank Williams Junior, and just having a
good time. I'm laughing listening and they pete a few
times in the cooler and we get up to pull
into the arena there and Greenville, Dusty says he people.
He said, listen, we're gonna be on last and you're
gonna be on earlier, so you come out and get
the car warmed up. He said, the showers are really

(44:15):
shitty here, so we're just gonna come straight in and I'm
gonna head straight back to Jackson will shower at the
hotel when we get in, I said, okay, dream you sir,
and uh so I go have my match and come
back out to the car. You know, when it's time,
they're getting ready to go into the ring. I watched
a couple minutes head back to the car, trying to
get the car as warm as I possibly can. I

(44:35):
had a few people actually jump in, people that I knew,
try to warm the car.

Speaker 12 (44:42):
To do right.

Speaker 24 (44:44):
Yeah, I got everything ready, and so here they come.
You know, matches are over. Boom, they come in, pop
the trunk, the backs, bags going the trunk. Dusty goes
immediately right in the back. The boss opens up the
front door. He boss, hey, guys, you know it's all smiles.
You know, we had to sold out crowd. Everybody's happy.
And Dusty's riding the pine in the middle there so

(45:07):
he could talk to Andre.

Speaker 11 (45:08):
Andrea's up front, and I'm driving.

Speaker 24 (45:10):
Along, and you know, we're just everybody's drinking and Dusty's
being the bartender. And Andrea has to pee and Dusty
has to pee and again to the end of the thing, and.

Speaker 11 (45:23):
You know, somebody, somebody says something. I don't know who
said what, but it was.

Speaker 24 (45:29):
Really really funny and Andre leans forward, and as he
leans forward towards my dashboard, he leans backwards and hits
the seat. The back of the seat breaks and falls
right on Dusty's lap where he happened to have the
cooler and he's dumping pissed from his McDonald's company in there,
and the whole cooler pee mixed up. You'urine goes all

(45:51):
over Dusty and he starts cutting the promo on me.
God damn people, man, you just pete an American dream.

Speaker 11 (45:57):
I can't believe you did that. Man, God damn, you
get me black balled.

Speaker 24 (46:01):
You know, when Andrea's laughing so hard, and you know,
and then he's telling me to turn my heater.

Speaker 25 (46:06):
Under this cold and that because he's got earin all
over him now he's cold. Oh gosh, I've never seen
I've never seen Andre Belly laugh like that so so
hard in my life. You know, it's just amazing, amazing.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
He became the American stream. It sounds like the American stream.

Speaker 8 (46:26):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
First of all, that's a great dusty pressure you've been doing.
Not to overlook that the Paul Wilson, you know, incident,
and what do you want to call it? Uh, do
you do you still think about that to people still
ask you about that all the time. I can't. I
can't imagine. You don't get many days where people don't
bring that up to you if they're talking about baseball.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 26 (46:43):
I mean, fans come out as usually the first day
that comes up. So but you know, it's it's something
that's always people will remember, which is I'm cool with.
You know, it was a pretty big event.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Is that what Paul Wilson calls it.

Speaker 26 (47:01):
So you know, I have no issue with talking about it,
and you know, it's just it's part of my career,
is part of baseball.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
I guess you can call it history, I guess, But
you know, it's just one of those things.

Speaker 26 (47:13):
That kind of like the Nolan Ryan fight, you know.
So you know, it's always always brought up, and I
think every year around that time that happens to you know,
it pops up all the time, and friends and fans
always send it to me through social media and stuff
like that. You know, I get a good laugh about it,
and I hope everybody else does. I'm sure Paul doesn't
really get a good laugh at it anymore.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
But I can't imagine.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
But you know, it's it.

Speaker 26 (47:41):
Was very interesting and I'm not gonna say fun, because
fighting is never fun, right, but you know, it's it's
part of part of the game.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
You and Paul Wilson. Have you, guys, ever talked about
it afterwards? Have you even run into him at all?
Many years later?

Speaker 26 (47:56):
You never never did. I think I think the next
week after that happened. I think they came into town.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I think I was.

Speaker 27 (48:01):
On the right field.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
He was a left field.

Speaker 26 (48:03):
But you know, we never said anything, you know, like
I had no hard feelings. Is just you know, two
competitors going at it. He you know, heat in the
moment and stuff like that. So unfortunately that that happened,
but I'm just glad I ended up on the right
end of it.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Well, yeah, I saw the video the other day because
I haven't seen it in a while, and it's like
they show both of you, and you know, you look
like you're fine, and he looks like he just had
the worst day of his life. And it's just I'm
a big wrestling fan, and it looked like a spear
move the way you hit him, like you're Goldberg or something,
or maybe like a sack from a defensive end. And

(48:39):
it was like your football instincts cut because you played
football growing up, right, so you probably got that in
you that you don't even know about.

Speaker 26 (48:45):
Yeah, I just reacted, you know, I just that was
just my first thing was eliminate the threat.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
You know, my dad was a Vietnam vette and you.

Speaker 26 (48:54):
Know, eliminate the threat as quickly as possible. So I
just reacted and what I thought was was deemed necessary
to eliminate the threat.

Speaker 9 (49:07):
That's a good way to put outsle.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Yeah, I mean there's been a couple of fights this year.
There's one with the Mariners and Angels recently that you know,
got a lot of publication, and yeah, that's a different
way of putting it, but I like it. It makes
sense for you because I mean you're standing there and
you know, you don't know what he's his intentions are,
and he's got a bat, and yeah, you gotta do
what you gotta do, and uh, you know, everybody's okay.
And at the time, that was, you know, I think

(49:33):
on my Instagram every I don't know what the date was,
but every year around that time, it'll it'll pop up
or on Facebook or something. It'd be like, hey, remember
when this happened, you know, So, yeah, you're definitely remembered.
Whether you like being remembered for that, I'm not sure,
but it's definitely something that comes up.

Speaker 26 (49:47):
Just as long as I've remembered, that's all the thing
I care.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
There you go, man, Well we remember Kyle Farnes with
of course?

Speaker 12 (49:53):
Man.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
And so here we are, two hundredth episode of The
Infinite Banter, and I got another pocket of guests. I'm
not naming these groups, but I feel like I'm doing
them as I'm talking. I don't know why I'm doing this,
but I feel the need to. So this group is
kind of like, you know, like the Independent Superstar group. First,
you can hear from Acrobatic, one of the nicest MC's
in the game, and I was really geeked when he

(50:16):
came on the show. I think it was episode like
thirty three. You know, go back and play that episode.
In every one of these I'm playing portions of You
should definitely check out the whole episode. Yeah, but to
go check out Acrobatic but here when he came on,
it was just like that stamp of approval, like Wow,
Acrobatics said, yes, he's coming on. I was just really
geeked to have him on. And I haven't heard this
in so long that I had a hard time finding

(50:37):
There was so much I wanted to play the whole
interview when I was trying to find a part to
play for this, so I picked out a part here.
Definitely check it out. And after him, you're gonna hear Wordsworth.
And he's another one of these you know these MC's
that you know you hear about and you know that
they're nice on the mic and everything. He was just
one of those that he came on and I was
geeked to have him on as well, and just a
really good dude, and you're gonna hear from him as well.

(50:59):
And then to round out this group, one of my
favorite singers of all time is Reese and her album
How I Do is one of my favorite albums ever made,
regardless of genre. I know that album backward and forward,
I know every lyric, I know it all came out
over twenty years ago. The time I had her on,
it was gonna be the twentieth anniversary of that album,
and it was just, you know, amazing to have her on.
She's just such a cool guest and just somebody I've

(51:20):
always admired and stay tuned for acrobatic Wordsworth and Reese.
Now we're bacting to the music portion of this this
show because you know, basically I know the percentage, but
it's probably somewhere in the eighty to eighty five percent
of all these episodes are music related. That's kind of
the foundation of this thing. But you know, you've heard
me play segments from wrestlers and actors, but for the

(51:41):
most part, that's what the show has been. So you're
gonna hear a lot of that going forward. Here in
this two hundredth episodes, here we go acrobatic Wordsworth than
Reese bringing you this segment here on the Infinite Banter
Podcast two hundredth episode, What up you all?

Speaker 27 (51:54):
This is acrobatic. You know, I possessed the human capabilities
and right now dropping the Infinite band to with my
homeboy DJ sound Way. Check them out, y'all.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
And speaking of where you came from the Boston scene
back then, I'm sure obviously now you know, it's not
really about where you're from anymore. You can put a
record out without much issues, But back then and didn't
feel like it was kind of a hindrance because you know,
you're in Boston, cats are from New York, cats are
from California, even the South for that matter. But you know,
other than like EDLG And Guru, there really wasn't a
lot of Boston. You know, MC's I got national recognition

(52:25):
even they. I don't think I even knew Guru was
from Boston until like maybe a couple of albums in
for Gang Star.

Speaker 27 (52:30):
Right right, people people from Boston knew that Guru was
from Boston, and then he he actually mentioned it on
on a later Gang Star album, or maybe maybe he
mentioned it on Step in the Arena, But I really
remember it from hard to earn when he was like
I used to.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Hang in four Corners, right.

Speaker 27 (52:49):
Bought and being from his Carrie Burners, and so when
when he did that, I'm like, Okay, that's that's a
full throaded acknowledgment of where he's from. But it was
tough because it's like Boston and always been kind of like,
you know, like the step child of New York City
in terms of hip hop, you know, because New York
is the birthplace and we're like, you know, with the

(53:10):
exception of Philadelphia. Philadelphia, I guess you could say it
was kind of like the second city of East Coast
hip hop in that regard because it's right there. But
then there we are. We're close, but you know, we
got this funny accent, and we're definitely known for not
having as much diversity as especially as a New York City,
but as most hip hop cities, you know what I'm saying,

(53:32):
most major cities. Boston has always been thought of as
you know, like I meet people from other places and
they'll be like, oh, there's black people from Boston. When
I say I'm from Boon, you know, it's all good. Whatever.
I mean, there's one hundred and fifty thousand black people
in Boston proper out of six hundred and fifty thousand
people totally, so you know, whatever that is. What's that

(53:54):
twenty percent? I mean, so you know it's it's not
main right, but it definitely it definitely isn't like this,
like it's not known as this like urban metropolis where
you know, people of color are thriving and there's just
like this vibrant like hip hop culture there where. It
just wasn't known that way, But in fact it was

(54:15):
exactly that. It's just that Boston was much more segregated
and low key. So you know, I just think that
not being in New York and not having the industry,
They're like, what we had to do was go to
New York. You wanted to prove yourself. Like in the
very early stages of just making demos still, I had

(54:37):
this song called New York Undercover, and the whole point
of the song was me like taking the bus, and
this is what I really did, was taking the bus
going to New York City and finding the spots where
they were open mics and jumping into ciphers and stuff
and like trying to mask my Boston accent, not really
talking about where I was from, and just getting on

(54:57):
the mic and trying to impress everybody, you know what
I mean. And then after I impressed everybody, I would tell them, yeah,
you know, I'm from Boston and they were like, well,
we didn't even know there were cats out there besides
that og. So you know, Edo certainly paved the way,
as did you know Guru did too, because, like I said,
the people in Boston knew about Gangstar because there was
Gangstar Aposse before Guru hooked up with Premiere and Gangstar

(55:19):
a Posse was still like one of the more well
known groups in Boston at the time. And then there
was also the Almighty RSO and they went on to
be known as Made Men, and you know, of course
Benino was from that group, and he started The Source
magazine with brief Dave May's out at Harvard University. So
you know, there is a lot of hip hop connection

(55:41):
to Boston. I mean, just the fact alone that The
Source started in Boston, I think kind of just makes
Boston one of the pillar cities for hip hop right
off the bat because the Source, you know, that magazine
back when people used to still pick up things and
read them other than their phone, you know, that was
like the main It was, in fact, the Source that
was where you would go before a Double XL and

(56:03):
and all the other magazines that came long after the
Source was deplaced, Like you wanted your album to get
reviewed in the Source, and you wanted to get at
least four mics for your album review because if you did,
that just pretty much stamped and solidified you as as
hip hop royalty at the time. And then they also
had the hip Hop Quotable of the Month, where they

(56:24):
would take the dopest verse from any MC on any
record that month and printed in the magazine and that
was just so powerful at the time. You know, that
was all you know, ideas that were cooked up in
Boston as well, and and you know on the fringes
of hip hop, we also had new edition bel Biv
Devo you know what I mean too, And so those guys,

(56:45):
those guys were huge, and they they brought some lights
to Roxbury. You know, they had their videos where they
were on like mass aves. And It's funny because I
didn't really go to this out then like that back
then in Boston, so I didn't really recognize. The first
time I really recognized Boston proper being in a music
video or on TV was at OG's I got to

(57:06):
have a video and so I was like, whoa like
that was? And I tell him that still to this day,
like that was the moment where I felt like, yo,
I can make it too. Like I had been rapping
for a while, but I was still pretty much a kid.
And then this video came on and Edo himself was
a kid then. You know, I was super young MC

(57:29):
on TV, but I'm looking at areas from my neighborhood
that I recognized, scrolling by on the screen and I'm like,
wait a minute, what is this? And that was that
was what instilled in me, like this is something that's
happening where you know, people in Texas and California are
turning on their TV and they're watching a rapper from
Boston show you his town while he's rapping about being

(57:51):
from Roxbury and I'm like, okay, I'm going for it,
you know. So that was like a big inspirational movie
for me. So so yeah, I mean, Boston, you know,
has it's place certainly in hip hop. And now that
the years have gone by, you know the ones of
us that have really had that longevity, you know, your
esoterics and your mister Lifts and guys like Slaine and

(58:13):
Jason and stuff like that, like they're rex you know,
the terminology. There's a ton now because, like you said,
now it's a little easier for people to get their
music outa because of the Internet, So you have them
sees from wherever. I'm working on a project with a
producer from Salt Lake City right now, you know what
I mean. And I've never even sat in the same
room with him, so it's a different ballgame now. But

(58:35):
those guys that were able to you know, put it
all together before we got to this point that are
still doing it. They're the ones that I think that
are definitely going to be remembered by people around the
world as being the guys that brought Boston to the
forefront of it.

Speaker 28 (58:49):
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Speaker 14 (58:53):
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This is the most special moment in your life listening
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Speaker 11 (59:04):
One a few.

Speaker 28 (59:05):
Years ago, I was out in Chicago for a teacher
convention situation. So yeah, man, I love going out there
and anytime I'm able to be out there and you know.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
It's pure.

Speaker 14 (59:18):
That's what I like about Chicago.

Speaker 28 (59:20):
It's like if you meet somebody that that's doing music
out there, it's like pure, you know.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Yeah, no, definitely, man, we definitely have a scene out here,
as you know, and and uh yeah, we we appreciate
when we get real artists like yourself coming out here
and you know, the fans here are are you know,
the true hip hop fandom. And the crowds are always
legit and like you said, it's it's it's a great
place man. Uh you know, as you know, we got
some spinners here and.

Speaker 14 (59:44):
Yeah, right, that's what I said.

Speaker 27 (59:46):
It's pure, man, it's pure.

Speaker 28 (59:47):
You know, like when I did rap Olympics, I think
when I first really started, well, of course common was
out before I before the rap Olympics, what like when
I met Juice of course from out there, you know,
like there was certain people that that help solidify to me, like, oh,
they're not playing over there, you know with the rhymes
because you know, when you think about.

Speaker 27 (01:00:08):
When we were younger or so on.

Speaker 28 (01:00:10):
Like you really didn't know what was outside your block
or your city. You couldn't even bath them in another
state or another city that was like you know, or
another country. Now that there's somebody as nice as you
or somebody that's just dope in general, because you're locked
into your own confines. So once you start going outside
of these states and stuff like that. I was showing

(01:00:33):
videos of Juice freestyling recently, like yo, people didn't know
who Juice was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I'm like, what, you better find out? This was an
all time freestylers too, man.

Speaker 28 (01:00:46):
Right, So, like you know, I always show people that
type of stuff and things like that. But yeah, man,
I love Chicago because, like I said, it's it represents
that the essence, it represents the new, the old, whatever,
whatever a wave or time period you want to pinpoint,
it has has.

Speaker 15 (01:01:04):
A lot of beauty to the wave's made.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
It's made in hip hop music.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
And I've had a couple of guests on here recently
that are from Miami and the Florida Southern Florida area.
And that's kind of what you said before. I've I
had no idea there was a scene. I mean, just
think of Luke or you know some other stuff. You know,
that's what I think of that kind of stuff. And
that's kind of ignorance on my part. But they're schooling
me and I'm finding out that it's a serious scene

(01:01:28):
down there. Are you seeing that in Orlando too?

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:01:31):
Yeah, Well I'm I'm I'm not, I'm too, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
In the sense I'm central.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Oh, I got you got it?

Speaker 28 (01:01:36):
So what's dope? What's dope for me is like I'm
in Southwest. Actually, what's dope for me is I'm three
hours from everything. So see, I love Yeah, I'm able
to kind.

Speaker 14 (01:01:45):
Of go go everywhere and see what it's like. Well,
the one thing you.

Speaker 28 (01:01:49):
Just realize, like when you're younger, you you know, you
just think about you what you got going on in
your neighborhood. Was that, So you can't really fathom what's
going on in another state. It's not really of a concern.
It's not until you start traveling and seeing things like that.
But it's definitely like, you know, when I go to Orlando,
Nico Nico is over there, he's down kual Lea, and

(01:02:09):
then Junior Ali is over there, Midas is over there.
But a lot of those people that are over there
are actually from New York that live in Orlando too,
So you know, but I'm sure that there's some people
over there that's definitely from Orlando that all right, and
probably can't think of it. But most of the people
over there, when like I said, that's from New York.
But you don't really you don't really understand what's going

(01:02:30):
on in the other regions until you go there, which
is just how life is. You don't know what's going
on somewhere until.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
You go there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
That's true, man, And like you talked about before, you
and JF about going to different countries and stuff. You
just your eyes get opened up to a whole new
world and seeing how other things are like. And it's
bigger than a little bit of bubble around where you
grew up, your neighborhood and everything. So that's cool.

Speaker 28 (01:02:53):
We used to be we used to only be able
to name We used to be able to name how
many rappers it were, and it only took us like
about two hands.

Speaker 15 (01:03:00):
They get a little more over, right.

Speaker 28 (01:03:02):
There was a time of that. People probably don't understand that, Like, yeah,
there was a time when the TV because there was
no YouTube. So whatever made it to TV was your
rappers exactly. You know, whatever you heard in the radio
was your rappers and that was it.

Speaker 8 (01:03:15):
That was your selection.

Speaker 28 (01:03:16):
I was like kid kids, and I could upload something
and we're like, yo, check out a new kid.

Speaker 21 (01:03:21):
You know, it's a girl free and you have been
tuning into incident fancing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
And I'd mentioned that, you know. Of course I saw
you at the Double Door some years back when How
I Do came out. Now. Of course, for a lot
of us, like me especially, that's the first time I
was aware of your music. What's your backstory? How far
before that were you recording music, And I'm guessing goes
back well before How I Do Well.

Speaker 21 (01:03:43):
Honestly, How I Do was like pretty much like the
beginning of my of me, like you know, working on music.
As far as like if I compare things from then
to now, it was kind of in the beginnings part
of it, just because a lot of those songs were
from the first demo ever made, like the demo tape
I made, like back in the day, you know, you

(01:04:04):
make a demo tape, it's just like your songs that
you've written or songs that you sang and got produced,
and like you're you know, you're giving this two different
labels to listen to to sign you, you know, and
that's what I did in like the late nineties, and
you know, someone liked those songs and they actually just
signed this to a record deal.

Speaker 8 (01:04:24):
I went through a.

Speaker 21 (01:04:24):
Couple of labels, but then it just went to a
label that wanted to sign it and we re released
like most of the songs off the demo plus like
four or five more and you know, because of Movement
had the first album made. So it was really, you know,
kind of a really good start, and you know, I
really wouldn't change anything. And now we have a twentieth anniversary.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
It's crazy. I think it's twenty years.

Speaker 21 (01:04:50):
Already and it's you know, but it's a good thing.
It's like, you know, I'm excited that people I'll still
love the music, so that's like the most important thing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Yeah, I just started playing it again this week in
the car because you know, that's always the true test
to see how album sounds. And yeah, sitting Back is
like one of my favorite songs. And I was playing
that driving home from work tonight. I'm like, yeah, this
this is still a banger. This is still you know
that album. It's just track after track. Is there a
song that still stands out to you? Or maybe it's
just the whole album as a whole. But for me,
Sitting Back is one of those that I always because

(01:05:24):
I'm a hip hop guy, so that one's always my
go to. But I mean the whole album, I just
I just love it.

Speaker 21 (01:05:28):
Well, I'm a you know right now, I feel like
let Love is like a song like still sounds like
it came out today, that it would be like a
great song, you know, right, and like people would like it,
And yeah, that's the one that I feel like is
like the one and it's like kind of random, you know,
but I feel like that's the one that just resonates

(01:05:49):
still twenty years later.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
And of course you had a couple of videos off
of there, for they say Vision and Golden Boys. Any
memories of doing those two videos that you saw the
playbole hand wristed thing from the they say Vision video.

Speaker 21 (01:06:04):
Oh yeah, wow, Yeah, that's from that's just like you know,
stylist being like, oh you should put this on, you know,
And but it was, you know, it was a good time,
and like I was really young and I was really
just like still could do a video, and I had
like the people that worked on the album at the
video sheet, you know, and it's just, you know, those

(01:06:26):
are the things.

Speaker 11 (01:06:26):
That I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
We're here celebrating the two hundred episodes of the Infinite
Banter Podcast. Thanks so much for checking it out. This
next group here is really special because you know, I'm
an old dude and I grew up, you know, on
hip hop music from the eighties, and these three guys
right here represent you know, pockets of time. Like when
I hear their music, it brings me back to those
days running around in Rogers Park and going to Armstrong

(01:06:52):
Grade School and having my Walkman on or whatever and
playing songs that they were part of on that Walkman.
So in this SEGM, we got a couple DJs and
a hip hop icon here. So DJ Chill, Will, Silver Spinner,
and Spider D are all gonna be in this segment
right to kick things off with DJ silver Spinner, he
was on the show about a year ago and he's
from the group Whistle and their song Just Bugging is

(01:07:14):
just one of my favorite songs of all time, and
it was really an honor to have him on talking
about you know, how that group came up and everything.
So you're gonna hear him first, then you're gonna hear
Spider D. Now, Spider D is a guy who's very
influential in those early days of hip hop being put
on record and being recorded, and you know, he was
down with run DMC and Larry Smith in those early
days and he's just one of those icons legends that

(01:07:36):
I feel like should get more notoriety and flowers thrown
their way. So Spider D will be on second in
this group, and last, but definitely not least, one of
my favorite guests of all time. Whenever somebody asks me, like,
what's an episode I should play first? My fallback is
almost always play the DJ chill Will episode. That's probably
you know. I mean, I'm gonna be a politician here.

(01:07:57):
I love everybody it's been on here. Every episode has
been fun to do. There hasn't been any bad episodes.
There was one that never got aired, but I'll talk
about that later. But if I had to say there's
one that maybe soone should jump in, it would be
this one. It would been episode eighty six, which only
makes sense because the album he's a big part of,
Oh my God, Doug You Fresh and to Get Fresh

(01:08:17):
group came out in eighty six. I remember when I
typed it up episode eighty six, I was like, whoa,
this number thing is just can't be a coincidence. It's
working out this way. But anyway. DJ chill Will one
of my favorite guests I've ever had on one of
my favorite episodes I've ever done. Here's a segment from him.
Very hard to do just one segment, because that whole
episode is great. I could have just done the whole
episode and called it, you know, the flashback segment. So

(01:08:37):
here's Chill Will at the end of this segment here,
So stay tuned. You've got Silver Spinner, Spider D and
Chill Will here on the two undereth episode of the
Infinite Banter podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
What's Up, Fam, This is your DJ Silver Spinner on
Infinite Banter with you man, DJ Soundway.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
How about those first turntables? They were they pretty top notch?
Were they kind of like like Frankenstein together, like some
kind of mixer or something.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
No, no, no, no no. I had it, and I
forget the model number.

Speaker 29 (01:09:05):
It was a new Mark mixer and everybody back then
got the same mixing mix was.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
Like fifty nine bucks whatever. It was, right right, But
it was the.

Speaker 29 (01:09:13):
Technique's SLB ones. So it was a belt driven turntable.
So when you were cutting it, you have to push
it a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
That's hard because because it's.

Speaker 29 (01:09:22):
Not direct, so do it. It's like learning how to
drive on a stick shift in a car. I really
learned how to DJ, you know what I'm saying. So
that was my first set, like this really small New
Mark mixer and two SLB one turntables hooked up to
my box.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
You really said something there, man, You're talking about how
like because it was a belt drive turntable that kind
of helped you actually learn more of more of a
way of doing it better because you've got to be
more precise on how you hold it and put it
back because of the belt kind of brings it back
for you without actually wanting it to write.

Speaker 29 (01:09:54):
Exactly exactly, because because the belt, you know, and every
so often you'd have to change the belt because a
belt out, yes you know what I mean. So so yeah,
if you didn't push it a little bit, it would
sound kind of funny.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
But I got used to it.

Speaker 29 (01:10:06):
And then then of course came to the twelve hundreds,
you know, came over.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Like like what is belt crap? There's a lot of
people back then who were messing with their mom and
dad's turntables, which are all probably belt driven too, and
they probably got wrecked all the time I'm trying to
do their thing.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Yeah, man, that's crazy. So so thirteen, you know, you
know what's coming, you know, this is what you're gonna do.
And then what's the time frame as far as the
next step, as far as like you know, meeting uh
jazzy jazz.

Speaker 29 (01:10:40):
Good question, because let me tell you something and that
that that neighborhood I grew up in, East Flap Bush
was like a hotbed of talent, right because remember there's
there was no rap music, there was no hip hop artists.
It was just a bunch of crews all over East
Flapush doing that thing, right. So it was us. And
by the way, Silver Spinner, the name Silver Spinner comes

(01:11:02):
from the group that I was in called the Silver Spinners, right,
So I wanted to pay homage to my boys because
we set it off, so I kept the name the
Silver Spinner, you know what I'm saying, to pay homage
to my boys. But we were one crew. UFO was
another crew which turned out to be utfo QPSL, which
Howie T was in. There was just like crews all

(01:11:24):
over the neighborhood that were doing block parties and house parties.
And that's how we were setting it off and battling
each other in the neighborhood. So as as we built up,
you know what I'm saying, our reputation, you know, went
from house parties to block parties to park events, and
one thing just led to another, and it was the

(01:11:45):
type of thing to where it wasn't even like we
were looking for record deals. It's like it was like
an inevitable thing that happened because the first group in
our neighborhood to set it off was Full Force, right right,
Because Full Force is from the same area Utfo Real
Rock saying Lisa, Lisa and cult Ja and Howie t
Chubb Rock, Special Led Us. I mean, we're all from

(01:12:07):
the same neighborhood. So when Full Force set it off,
that was it. And it was like from Full Force
went Lisa Lisa and Lisa Lisa to Utfo Utfo to
US and US to Howie and Howie to to Roxanne
and Roxanne to chub Rock and Chubb Rock to Special Led.
It was just one thing after another after another after
another because it was inevitable. And it wasn't like I said,

(01:12:28):
we were like out shopping demo deals, you know what
I'm sending like demo cassettes to A and R repsit
at record labels.

Speaker 15 (01:12:35):
That's not how it was.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
It just okay, cool your next bam, here you go.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Man, And you just named like an all star like
lineup right there, which is crazy to think about it.
And a lot of them ended up on Select with
you guys like chub Rock was on Select Records. I
was UFO talk about that era too, where it's like,
you guys are all doing this. Are you guys battling
each other on the mic? Is there battles like with
the DJ stuff like it? How was that Like was
there like any competition between any of you guys We're

(01:12:59):
trying to like do groups together. How did that all together?

Speaker 29 (01:13:03):
Like, yeah, yeah, it's funny because yes, it sort of
goes back to the first question you asked me about
the Jamaican thing. It was similar in the sense that,
like if we set upon a block party and and
QPSL was set up on the same block party, you
know what I'm saying, we would battle in the same sense.

Speaker 5 (01:13:17):
Like I remember one in particular, we had a battle
and I forget.

Speaker 29 (01:13:21):
The name of this crew out in Queens, And I
don't even remember the name of the crew, but it
doesn't matter because we we rocked them.

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
So so we go out to Queens.

Speaker 29 (01:13:29):
We got all of our equipment and it's about seven
of us in the silver stinners, right, So we get
out there and we're doing our thing, and our system
sounded cool, right, But we were all just a crew
of DJs. There were no real MC's at that time.
It was more it was more about the DJ.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Than it was MC.

Speaker 29 (01:13:44):
And then we would play for a half hour. Then
the other cats would play for a half hour. But
the other dudes that were playing against us, their system
was unbelievable. But the DJ sucked, right, The DJ sucks,
So so when he played, people would listen for like
the first few minutes, then they would start to like
fade on back over to our side.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
Then we started playing and we would start killing it.

Speaker 29 (01:14:07):
Then we stopped, and then he started playing, and people
wouldn't leave us and they wouldn't go over to him there.
So it got to a point to where he just
shut down and we played for the rest of the night,
and that's that's how we did.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Yeah, that's great. And you have to say who that is?
If you even know, I'd say, who's that DJL dude?

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
You know what, I truly don't even remember who the
hell was.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
No, it's all right, he's probably not doing it after
that much longer. That's pretty cool to think about, because
you're right, you know, like you said, you're talking about
all these people they come up in that area, and
I'm thinking, like it's somebody who's just looking for somewhere
to go, Like I'm just like a fan or something,
or just want to hear some good music, and like
which where do I go? Which party do I go to?
Which block do I go to? Okay, I'm going over
here because they keep it live over here and over

(01:14:47):
here it just seems like it's all right. But I'm
gonna go over here where these.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Guys are going exactly exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:14:51):
That's how we got.

Speaker 30 (01:14:51):
There, you know, again, working with you know, people like
DJ Molly mal you know, I can name, just keep
naming people. EJ Doc Ivan.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Rodde, one of the greatest producers DJs of all time.
Right there talking about how you guys first met.

Speaker 30 (01:15:06):
Well, he came when I was signed to Russell Simmons,
Rush Production's artists management. Doc had come up to the
office Curtis Blow, my man, Curtis Blow, or I just
talked to or texted with the other day. Curtis Blow
used to get most of the demos that would come

(01:15:28):
into Russell's office. Russell would give him the Curtis first
and let Curtis listen to him and decide whether he
wanted to work with the artist.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Or not.

Speaker 30 (01:15:36):
So most of the things that Curtis would turn down
would get passed on to me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Oh, I see, you'd get the.

Speaker 30 (01:15:46):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I get Kurt's hand me down.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Oh man, but there's probably some gems in there, some
real talent in there that maybe got overlooked.

Speaker 30 (01:15:55):
Oh no questions. Yeah, you know Kurt, Kurt, Kurt was hot,
he was way out, really had time. Yeah, he didn't
have times Waller. Kurt was doing sold out arena shows
and stadiums and whatnot back then. So you know, I
got a hold of docs.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Uh original demo.

Speaker 30 (01:16:20):
I didn't think it was great, but I didn't think
it was I didn't think it was that bad. And
it was different because it was from a Latin flavor.
His mc h was Latin. And then I went on
to find out that Doc had just graduated from the
Audio Institute of Technology, which is a big deal. So

(01:16:45):
this kid had graduated from learning how to be a
recording engineer and he was a DJ, which I thought
was a very unique combination to invoke into the genre
of hip hop. And so that was how I met Doc.

(01:17:06):
And again I was recording at Powerplay Studios. So I
told Doc, you know, if he wanted the job, I'd
introduced him to Tony Arphi, the owner of Powerplay Studios,
and you know, he would definitely be a help to
the studio because most of the engineers at power Play

(01:17:28):
were rock and roll engineers. They weren't hip hop engineers, right.

Speaker 8 (01:17:33):
So here we have.

Speaker 30 (01:17:36):
A Latin kid who's graduated engineering school and as a DJ,
he'd be the perfect combination to work at power Play.
As power Play was transitioning from a rock and role
rehearsal studio into a hip hop catered recording studio. So

(01:17:59):
that was like perfect. Doc started doing KRS one, ep M,
d MC live list Man. Oh, it was like everybody
came to power Play because they wanted to sound that

(01:18:19):
Doc was engineering for the groups that I just named.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
And that's big too, right, because Doc was trained, like
you said, he had an education and in a lot
of a lot of that early hip hop right, it's
kind of learning on trial.

Speaker 30 (01:18:34):
He knew how to Like for example, me, I began
engineering with none of the knowledge Doc had. I was
what you call a.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Trial by era engineer.

Speaker 30 (01:18:48):
I just turned the knob one way to the other
until it sounded right. Doc already knew where to turn
the knob. You know, he already knew how to set
the EQ. He already knew how to block out noise
using noise gates and all of these technical jargons that

(01:19:09):
I had no idea he knew about decibel levels. I
didn't know a decibel pressor MOS. Strictly, I was strictly
by ear. I did everything by ear, and Doc could
take what I could hear by ear and translated into

(01:19:32):
an actual audio signal by knowing where to turn the knob.
So you know, it just goes to show you in
this music business, there's more than one way.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
To skin a cat.

Speaker 30 (01:19:42):
Like you got some You got some musicians who can't
read music, but they can play you up under the
table playing a bass.

Speaker 14 (01:19:50):
Or keyboard, a guitar or whatever.

Speaker 30 (01:19:53):
Don't know how to read the music on a music chart,
but they can play it. Like, for example, Davy Dmt
My childhood school and classmate. Davey can pick up anything
and play it. I've never seen anybody like him. You
could hum something to Davy and he'd go play it
just as you hummed it to him. It wouldn't even

(01:20:13):
be his interpretation, it'd be just like you hummed it
to him and he could play it on any instrument.
I've never seen anything like how he can do it.
He was just born naturally talented as a musician. And
you know, Davy of course ended up being Curtis Blows DJ.
He ended up making the classic. In fact, that's how

(01:20:36):
I got the power Play Studios. Davy d did One
for the Treble at power Play Studios. I think that
might have been the first hip hop record recorded at
power Play Studio. That's really what started it off.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
One for the Treble.

Speaker 30 (01:20:52):
Davy played everything on One for the Treble. He did
everything but the girl's voice saying Davy, Dan, you are
the best. That's the only thing Davy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Didn't do on that record.

Speaker 30 (01:21:05):
He played all of the instruments, he did all of
the scratching.

Speaker 22 (01:21:09):
Uh.

Speaker 30 (01:21:09):
He basically co engineered the project along with Julian Hurtzwell,
who was the engineer of choice that I chose at
power Play for most of my projects before I learned
how to engineer and before Doc came in. It's I've
had I've been blessed, man. I've had an incredible bunch

(01:21:33):
of people around me that made me better.

Speaker 8 (01:21:36):
Yo, this is DJ Chilwell with Dougie Freshman to get
Fresh Crew and you're listening to Infinite Betch with my
man DJ Sithe waves Let's go Yeah, Benz was really
really like that was the one that was really that
was that was a rough one there. You know, me
and Ben's been Frenchance nineteen eighty two. You know I
met Bench with we none of us were on. But

(01:21:57):
when I met there's nobody had to reck it out.
We none of us, you know, we're all trying to
get on at this point. And then once when I
met Biz, Biz came to up to the city because
this from long Allen and we were in Harlem. So
Biz came up to Harlem, went to see Doug. You know,
he done. You ain't have nothing that he really wanted,
but just to be around Doug and do stuff. But

(01:22:18):
you know, we talking about nineteen eighty two, nineteen eighty three.
Then we had those hip hop tapes from Harlem World
with you know, the Coolbo d Battle and all that
stuff and the Cold Crush and all those things. So
he wanted copies of all of that. So Biz would
come be on the phone on the corner. He come
to my house. I mean he come to my neighborhood,
go to the payphone on the corner and be like, yo,
I'm outside, I mean outside where he's outside your house.

(01:22:40):
I was like, okay. He said, yo, I wanted to
try to get some copies and the tapes. I was like,
all right, I'm sleeping, but you know, you should come back,
and you come back in a decent hour, you know,
or whatever. He said, I'll be out here. He said, Yo,
let me give you this phone number to this floor

(01:23:02):
on the corner. I was like, all right, So he
gives me the phone number. So it's like eight o'clock
in the morning. Said I probably gonna go grab something
to eat or whatever. I called back like eleven o'clock.
He puts up the phone and then the phone outside
of the street, you know, on the corner, and he's like,
what's up. I said, Yo, I'm good if you want
to if you want.

Speaker 14 (01:23:20):
To come through.

Speaker 8 (01:23:21):
So then he comes through. This put the whole day
at my house. I mean, he came to eleven o'clock
in the morning and it's eight o'clock at night. He's
still at my house. And this went on for like
three months, almost every other day, you know, and this
is that he wasn't at my house. He's at Barrier House.

Speaker 12 (01:23:36):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:23:36):
He go to Barry house, you go to my house.
He's just switching back and forth, you know, and just
coming back and forth when that's just with him. And
then we became the closest and the best of friends,
you know, throughout this whole thing, because he ended up
getting on and doing our thing, and then he ended
up getting on and all the stuff, and it was
just crazy, man, and we was just like, this is
one of my best friends, you know, and this music business,

(01:24:00):
you know, because I've known him for so long and
I've known him before he was in Bunzmark, you know,
and it was just, you know, I've gone to Ben's
house business, come to my house after we've all made
records and had our own houses now, you know, because
he's coming to my mother house back then, but now
you know he's coming to you. He come to my house,
I go to his house or whatever. And it's just

(01:24:22):
we stayed friends all the way up until, you know,
until he passed. You know, we've been friends the whole time.
We talk all the time on the phone, we see
each other, you know. Dinn came here, which was one
of the things that made me say, you know, he
came out. I live in Charlotte.

Speaker 27 (01:24:38):
I live in North Carolina.

Speaker 8 (01:24:39):
Now he came to Charlotte just to see me. You know, like,
I don't got no I don't got no show, I
don't got nothing. I'm just coming to hang out, you know.
I'm like, I don't know what we're gonna do here.
It ain't like New York. You know. We actually just
went to eat. We sat and talked for a long time.
We talked about all stuff we've been through this and
that being Ben did uh. I brought him on to

(01:24:59):
Tom Johnny Cruise a book for Tom joined the Fantastic Voyage.
I brought him on there. We sat at a table
exchanging music for five hours and then they.

Speaker 30 (01:25:09):
Said, y'all still sitting at this table.

Speaker 8 (01:25:12):
Yeah, the computers at all, you know. And so you know,
Biz was a really real good friend with me.

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
Man Be and BNS really close.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
Is that the same time joining because I had Coro
Ski on here. He talked about him and him and
Mark working with Doug.

Speaker 8 (01:25:26):
Is that the same I brought I brought I brought
Fat Boys on when we did one show with everybody.
He did one big show. It was fat Boys from
D D E, P, M, D Common, who else was
on it was. It was a naughty by Nature every
and we we didn't do Hey, here's naughty by Nature,
Oh here's We did one show and brought everybody out

(01:25:50):
at back to back to back to back. Everybody not
doing five songs and you know, hip hop arraid O
p P that's all Nordy did, but they did it
in EPMD did three songs.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
We did two songs.

Speaker 8 (01:26:02):
By the time you finished an hour and a half
hit you know what I'm saying, comedy come out and
so he broke he was break dancing and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:26:08):
It was.

Speaker 8 (01:26:10):
It was, it was incredible. And then we ended with
hip hop array and you know, it was just it was.
That was an incredible show, like incredible. If we had
that on the show, that could sell.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Right now, you're checking out the two hundredth episode of
The Infinite Banter Podcast. Thanks for checking out the show.
Really big episode and really huge milestone for me to
be doing this many episodes. This next group here is
kind of personal. My guy DJ real One, isn't it.
You know a dude who have known for a long time,

(01:26:41):
and the only person that has been in the house
recording an episode with me, and he's done it twice,
so he's on another level and nobody's nobody's at that
level yet. You know, when one of these, uh, these
guests want to come here in the in the studio,
the dining room area and do the show, they're welcome
to do so, but the only one who's done that
is my guy real one. And this is going way back,

(01:27:02):
so you just kind of hear kind of the early
era here and just like how things got started. And
then after him you can hear e c Illa, so
kind of keeping it like a Chicago theme. He's one
of the all time great MC's not just in Chicago,
but you know, just one of them dudes that you
when you hear him on the mic, you know that
you're hearing somebody who's a real spitter and a legend.

(01:27:22):
So e c Ila came on the show Funny Stories.
I actually interviewed him twice, but the other time was
for a different podcast, Shout Out to Catch twenty two
in the Headnock Radio podcast. There's an episode you can
find it on Spotify and places like that, where I
interviewed e c Illa a couple of years before when
I actually had him on here. I believe it was
on episode one fifty, which is a Landmark episode as well.

(01:27:42):
So yeah, me and he's Illa on here talking about
Rogers Park and stuff like that. And to round out
this group, this is probably my what I was thinking
about which oneses to bring back. This is the part
that made me laugh the most. I just remember this
episode being hilarious and talking to my guy Chubbs. He's
an out in New York and just had such a

(01:28:04):
great time talk with him. And there's a segment we're
talking about eating spaghetti at a strip club. It was
just hilarious. It makes me laugh to this day. I
think about that segment a lot, and when I first
started cutting up these, I was like, I'm bringing that
one back just because I think it's hilarious. So I
guess this is the white boys segment DJ real One,
E c Ela and Chubbs man and not playing it
that way, but that is exactly how it turned out.

(01:28:26):
All right, here we go the white dudes in hip
hop segment, DJ real One, E c Ila and Chubbs
coming up here on the two hundred episode segment of
the Infinite Banter podcast. Yo, what's good at your man?

Speaker 31 (01:28:38):
DJ real One, and I'm here live with the one
and only DJ Soundwave Infinite Manner podcast representing two hundred episodes. Now,
I'm proud to say that I'm one of the few
who have tuned in to all two hundred episodes. Yes,
that's right. I listened to episodes that span the range

(01:29:02):
of AJ styles all the way to Kurok Ski, all
the way to The Walking Dead and occasionally some comic
con talk, which is not my thing, but the way
that DJ Soundwave does it, he makes it super interesting
and he makes that podcast life. He represents it to

(01:29:22):
the fullest. So we are going to keep this thing
going for two hundred, three hundred, four hundred, five hundred episodes,
and we are gonna just keep bantering on the same
way that I'm doing right now. We are going to
banner on about AJ styles, about DJ reel One, about
real hip hop, about comic books, about nerd stuff, about

(01:29:46):
horror movies. We're gonna do that man, banter banter infinitely
with the one and only DJ Soundwave, And I am
DJ reel one, the number one supporter of the podcast
on that note, I'm out peace y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
All right, checking out the Infinite Banter Podcast. I am
Mark John f aka DJ Soundwave. But a real DJ
is in a building, the one and only, the Realist,
the ones DJ real One.

Speaker 5 (01:30:14):
What's up? Man?

Speaker 12 (01:30:15):
What up?

Speaker 31 (01:30:16):
Sound Wave? I'm back in the building.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
Man, it's a pleasure to be here. Man, it's crazy
we're just talking about this before you came on. The
twenty six is the first time I ever recorded one
of these, and you're like the first and the second
guests to be in the house to record, So big
up there. But I mean like you're one of the
first guests that ever come on this, So you know,
big up to real One and for blessing me with
this podcast and helping me get it started, because you help,

(01:30:39):
you know, it's like the DJ real One foundation, like
save the Music. You help get this thing going in
the first place. So you know, big up, man. I
appreciate you having me back. Man.

Speaker 31 (01:30:47):
You know, I always love coming by and it's funny
every time I stop by, I see the computer, I
see the setup, and I'm happy that you're putting it
to use.

Speaker 12 (01:30:54):
Man.

Speaker 31 (01:30:55):
I'm a huge fan of the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
I just want to let you know that there's one
you guys listen, there's.

Speaker 31 (01:30:59):
One major fan.

Speaker 12 (01:31:00):
Man.

Speaker 31 (01:31:01):
I listened to every episode and as you know, I'm
not even into wrestling. I'm into sports, but I'm not
like heavy into it. But I still that's where I
get a lot of my information from.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
Just so you know. Yeah, this dude is you didn't
wear your AJ style shirt because I know you're a
big fan, and me and Acrobatic talked about him in
the last episode. I don't know if you got to
that part yet, but due to some real wrestling talk
for about ten minutes in there, so be ready.

Speaker 31 (01:31:26):
So for all my infinite banter fans out there, you
will not be hearing wrestling talk today. So sorry disappointed
you there. And you might not hear any Walking Dead talk,
but it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Comes out to that you really don't watch it anymore, man,
you have no idea what's happening.

Speaker 31 (01:31:41):
It's funny because I remember the last time I was
on the show, we actually talked about Walking Dead, and
I think that was probably the last time I saw it.
They really lost me, and I can't I lost you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
A lot of people lost it when Megan was beating
in spoiler two dudes heads that were.

Speaker 12 (01:31:58):
Show.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
But a lot of people that's when they checked out. Really,
you stuck through, stuck.

Speaker 31 (01:32:02):
I stuck around longer than I should have, I'll tell
you that much. But I pretty much made it all
the way to the helicopter episode.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Oh so once Rick left, you did the you did
the piece I meanings up when they had like the
adult what was her name, I don't even know her
name anymore, the adult when the kids became adults. Oh, Judith, Judith. Yeah,
it was just silly man. Yeah, she's running around with
his gun and his hat. Yeah, she's like six years
old telling people to like whiet and talking to Nagan

(01:32:29):
in the prison or whatever. It's weird.

Speaker 31 (01:32:31):
So that's pretty much where I stopped there. So so
all my podcast fans out there, that's all the talk
we're gonna say tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Before though, you're a horror fan like myself, there's some
really cool stuff with the whispers, with the skin mask.
I think you would dig some of that stuff, but
if you already kind of left, it'd be hard for
you to jump back.

Speaker 32 (01:32:51):
This is e c Ella Chicago's Findest and you are
checking out the Infinite Banter podcast with DJ style, Wayne
pooking it up.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Talk about growing up in Chicago. Man, I know it's
a big question, but what was like the area you
grew up in? What was it like around there, because
like for me, it was you know, definitely was it
was cool. I'm glad I grew up in Chicago because
it helped mold the person I am today and obviously
exposed me to hip hop music and a lot of
other great things. But growing up for you, what was

(01:33:21):
your upbringing like as far as the neighborhood you were in?

Speaker 32 (01:33:24):
Well as you know, growing up in Rogers Park, you
know that it's extremely extremely diverse, right, Like I might say,
and I'm not playing, perhaps the most diverse area in
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
That's a statement.

Speaker 32 (01:33:41):
Yeah, And I mean when you think about all the
different nationalities that have set up shop far north in
the Rogers Park area, but also the Uptown area, which
is where I spent my childhood, and they and they're
close to each other.

Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
But growing up in Uptown it was a unique experience.

Speaker 32 (01:34:00):
You know, there was a large Native American population, a
large Alaskan population, so there were people that you know,
we had access to each other via black, white, Hispanic
but then a lot beyond that, you know, down the
Argyle and the Asian community there. So there was a

(01:34:23):
lot of interaction and borrowing culturally that was occurring in
that area.

Speaker 11 (01:34:30):
Are those areas for that matter.

Speaker 32 (01:34:32):
That likely wasn't happening in many other places in the world,
you know, so you were likely to create all types
of individuals included.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Yeah, you know what it took me, like maybe for
yourself as well. And you start to branch out and
you start to go to different areas of the city
or even the suburbs, or obviously like another state or
another city, you start to realize what you just said
really hits home, that it is diverse, because as a kid,
I didn't think of it as diverse. I just thought
this is how it was, like, this is regular normal, right.

Speaker 32 (01:35:00):
No, it's definitely extremely unique experience and you might not
know it unless you had other experiences. But you know,
when people would travel up north from the south and
west side to do business with me, and they might have,
you know, very little experience on the far north.

Speaker 11 (01:35:16):
Side, Uh, it was noble to them.

Speaker 32 (01:35:20):
So I began to see what was unique and special
about it through other people.

Speaker 11 (01:35:25):
Because, as you.

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
Mentioned, when it's all.

Speaker 32 (01:35:27):
You know, uh, you're not looking at it as unusual
in any way, But when people came and you know,
found it to be outside of the norm, I began
to realize this was.

Speaker 8 (01:35:41):
Kind of a special place that I was coming up in.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
Man, it just makes that pride that much more, right.
I Mean, it's like, Yo, this is where I'm from,
and I'm proud of this is where I came up,
because you gotta came up somewhere else, maybe have a
different point of view, a different idea on how things are,
and it might change your mentality on things. But and
then you know, you go from it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:58):
Ah.

Speaker 32 (01:35:58):
Well, I was just gonna say, as you know, so
there wasn't outside of locally, there wasn't much North Side
representation happening with regard to.

Speaker 8 (01:36:07):
Hip hop or Chicago hip hop for that for that matter.

Speaker 32 (01:36:10):
So you know, Common was representing hard for the South Side,
and there was a you know, I mean a large
array of outsiders who were.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
Making moves and saying goes for the West Side.

Speaker 32 (01:36:23):
And while a lot was happening up north, very little
of it was reaching beyond up north.

Speaker 11 (01:36:29):
So it was actually pretty special to me.

Speaker 32 (01:36:32):
Land the role of you know, the representation of Rogers
Park uptown on the North side of Chicago. Once I
was able to get a foothold outside of the city,
so that meant a lot to me, you know. And
even in these years that have passed, though, there have been,
you know, artists that have made it out of our area.

Speaker 5 (01:36:50):
It's minimal, to say the least.

Speaker 33 (01:36:53):
Chubbs you're now listening in the infinite band that you motherfucker.

Speaker 12 (01:36:57):
I'm an Italian, so is my my guinea heritage.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
Yeah, I need to check that one out. Man, that's
on YouTube. You said there's a video for it.

Speaker 12 (01:37:05):
Yeah, there's a video already out for it. Ship.

Speaker 33 (01:37:07):
You see my cousin Tank next to me. He's the
guy with four eyes. Here's four of them and got
your shades though.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
That's awesome.

Speaker 12 (01:37:19):
Chest hair well that you have to Yeah, I was.

Speaker 33 (01:37:21):
We were sitting there eating pasta in the strip club.
It was a glorious day.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Back when you can do that. I don't know if
they're around anymore, but yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:37:30):
We shut down the club. It was just uso there.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
Oh yeah, of course once he saw the hair.

Speaker 12 (01:37:35):
It was us the girls in the pasta because.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
Man, that's a that's a triple threat right there. You
don't need anything else after that.

Speaker 12 (01:37:41):
It got messy. Go look it up, bro, but pay yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Dude, I'm gonna as soon as I hang up, I'm
gonna look at it. Doe, Are you kidding me? And
been to a strip club in like ears bring back
some memories except for the pasta park that's.

Speaker 33 (01:37:55):
The whole thing, because you gotta watch when outside is open.
Next time you come to New York. You haven't been
to New York, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
Yeah, it's been a while, but I've been there a
couple of times.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:38:02):
Next, next time you come to New York, We're gonna
bring you a Long Island.

Speaker 33 (01:38:05):
We're gonna bring you a real, fucking, a real gut
Long Island strip club.

Speaker 12 (01:38:09):
You heard.

Speaker 33 (01:38:10):
Oh shit, We're gonna eat some pasta. We're gonna fucking
drink some fucking Ian Jane Jingirell. All right, we're gonna
pour up, Sam Prey, We're gonna get fucking real nuts.

Speaker 12 (01:38:20):
Bro, We're gonna fucking have.

Speaker 33 (01:38:22):
You meet a girl with five kids in a C
section line and she's gonna give you the best fucking
lap dance you ever had in your light.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
That's the best. He's trying to keep those lights on.
That's why she's working so hard.

Speaker 12 (01:38:30):
That's it, because you gotta do what you gotta do.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna pay for that take care.
That's the dude sitting there. He's gotta pay for it,
damn right.

Speaker 12 (01:38:42):
Damn right, bro.

Speaker 33 (01:38:42):
And they'll bring you fucking pasta a la cart because
all right, and just roll up the cart and thet
a show of your pasta right on your play.

Speaker 12 (01:38:51):
It's just a regular thing.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
That's just crazy to think of. You know, eating food
in that kind of place is just not that's something
you think.

Speaker 12 (01:38:57):
About glorious at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Yeah, I wonder if they got to drive through in
case you can't stick around.

Speaker 12 (01:39:04):
But you get a sweat going sometimes, Yeah, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
You know what I mean, Hey, killing me over here, man,
I'm serious about my pasta too, so that that's kind
of a weird environment to be eating that.

Speaker 33 (01:39:21):
But hey, when you come to New York, we're gonna
show you how to get down good too.

Speaker 12 (01:39:26):
I bet you're gonna be in good fucking quality.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Not that print stuff up the box, right.

Speaker 12 (01:39:31):
Yeah, I know, Chicago's got some ship.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, we don't suck around out here either.

Speaker 33 (01:39:37):
I know because I've had some Chicago Italian food and
I'm like, okay, Chicago.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Yeah, you know, we're always going for pizza, beef, you know,
Italian beef, hot dogs, all that bullshit.

Speaker 12 (01:39:49):
Yeah, I got good food there.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
Yeah, that's why we stay. You know, somemi out of
shape out here. We can't can't get fit out here.

Speaker 33 (01:39:55):
Oh cars, We're like, ah, ben, you know we that
guy sitting at the table there's talking sports.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
My god, uh man. I used to work in sports radio,
so I know those people. I'm I'm aware of their existence.
So yeah, I got you in.

Speaker 12 (01:40:11):
That one, like fucking Nick.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
Yeah, that's fucking Bess. That quarterback is garbage.

Speaker 12 (01:40:22):
Yeah, that's a real fucking that's that Chicago ship.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Where's the backup? They always like the backup out here?

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
When are they gonna play the backup guy? He's got
you look good in the preseason. What's wrong with him?
With the clipboard and a backwards hat?

Speaker 14 (01:40:40):
Where you did?

Speaker 12 (01:40:41):
Where you did?

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
He's at the strip club eating pasta.

Speaker 12 (01:40:46):
He's busy.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
Exactly eatingini with some chick named Diamond.

Speaker 12 (01:40:53):
Yeah, putting, putting strip his kids through college.

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
That's where let me get another plate. They're gonna be
a while, yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:41:02):
Becks and then thirds just bring the third time.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Where's Bambi?

Speaker 12 (01:41:08):
I'm hungry?

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
Yeah, it's hilarious.

Speaker 12 (01:41:12):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Slew to you guys. Man, both of you dudes, and
have a great Friday. Smoked them smoke them joints.

Speaker 12 (01:41:17):
Man.

Speaker 33 (01:41:17):
Oh yeah, you already know, bro when you come here
with smoking joints at the strip club, we're eating fucking
penny alive.

Speaker 12 (01:41:22):
Out Cannibal Club.

Speaker 33 (01:41:24):
Baby, seasy to click Cannibal Club. Shout out to the squad.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
There it is. I can't let the wife hear this one.
She don't listen anyway, but it's the one for sure.
I'm gonna definitely steer her away from Damn.

Speaker 12 (01:41:34):
That's I feel bad.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
No, no, no, no, no, no, trust me, man, I'm
a grown ass man.

Speaker 12 (01:41:39):
Man, I like, you're not going to New York? Why
are you going to your friend? I'll be god. You're
going to eat in the strip club? You piece of ship.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
We're done. I thought we're gonna see the Statue of Liberty,
you piece of ship. You told me we're going to
Les Islands. What happened here?

Speaker 12 (01:42:02):
We're just going to sight saying hun that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
They're the best pasta they get Italian food in the city.
I'll definitely when I come out there, I'll definitely help
hit you guys up and see what's going down with
some pasta.

Speaker 12 (01:42:18):
Let's do it, Bro, push ups on the ball, bro Man.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Yeah, there it is coming back about thirty pounds heavier.

Speaker 12 (01:42:27):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:42:31):
You're checking out the two hundredth episode of the Infinite
Banter podcast. We're gonna wrap up all the flashbacks here
with the final segment, and this group is kind of
basically you know legends in the game. A couple of
them are from an earlier era, a couple of them
are from like the nineties era, and they're still going
to this day. Got four hip hop icons in this grouping.
We got young Z you know him from the Outsiders,

(01:42:53):
and he's done a lot of great work on the
independent scene and worked with Eminem. He's gonna kick it
off here. A lot of fun with him. I remember
he was he was. You could hear it in the interview.
You go back and play it. There's some lighters being
lit throughout that interview. Second, my man Cool Kim been
on the show a couple of times, definitely consider him
a friend and appreciate all that he's done for this

(01:43:15):
podcast and helped me kind of grow it as well.
And you know, his constant ribbing me about how much
I hate Vanilla Ice but kind of making me feel
like I'm so to like him. So salutes a cool
came you'll hear him. Second third is my man Money B.
I remember interviewing him during COVID when we were stuck
in the house. It was crazy. Maybe that's why I
got to interview him, because we're all stuck in the

(01:43:36):
house and we're looking for something to do, and he
was more than gracious and tells a great story about
shock g and Humpty hump Here. And last, but definitely
not least is cool rock Ski from the Fat Boys.
He's been on the show twice, Kou rock Ski and
Cool Kim. They both were guests on my fifty Years
of Hip Hop episode. Definitely go back and check it
out if you've not heard that. But Kuroxi, he's been
on the show a couple of times and definitely a

(01:43:57):
good dude and really was excited to have him on.
One of my favorit episodes I did with him was
early on as well, so this final grouping you can
hear some stuff from the old days and stuff from
not so old days but still old. His young t
talks about Eminem. So stay tuned. Here we go the
final grouping here and the two hundred episode The Infinite
Banter Podcast in order. You're gonna hear young Z, Cool

(01:44:17):
Kim Money B and Cool Rock Ski here on The
Infinite Banter Podcast two hundred damn episodes.

Speaker 34 (01:44:23):
DJ sound Wave, I'm about this huge.

Speaker 14 (01:44:26):
Sound one tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
Let's go, let's.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Play this shit, and it'd be hard for me to,
you know, talk about the old days and not bring
up Eminem. You guys have a long history together. Yeah,
talk about the first time you met that cat and
when you knew this dude was special.

Speaker 34 (01:44:40):
I actually met them when I was on tour with
the Fujis, and you know what I mean, Bizarre played
some shit on the headphones for me. I was like,
bet so, you know, he came out to see me
in Jurors, stayed at my crib, and then you know
it was history. M came out there, stayed at my crib.
We started working, you know what I mean, introduced him
to Paul Rosenberg and we start trying to get him

(01:45:01):
a deal. Then Paulie got the meeting with Dre. It
was a rap over touring everything. That's when it really
turned up to fun because we was having fun with
the outsiders. But it was a whole different kind of fun.
It was like going up fun like on the toys.
It was like top tier fund like you know what
I mean. He's I've been out with like tons of

(01:45:22):
artists on tour, red run, DMC, my fucking ep m D.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
I've been tons of people on tour. This guy is
the only guy.

Speaker 14 (01:45:32):
You go back to his room at like four in
the morning. It's like lobsters, fresh wine, and shampaine everywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:45:42):
He don't even be one. I'll be right, not motherfucker like.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
I'm living that life.

Speaker 15 (01:45:52):
But nah, no fun times.

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
That's great, man, Yeah, that's uh. And he just brought
up a couple of you know, legendary acts. I mean
being on stage DMC, epm D. That's gotta be something.

Speaker 34 (01:46:03):
My friend, bro man, I'm talking about come to my house, chill,
cook shit while I'm doing some other ship.

Speaker 14 (01:46:11):
I go to his house, I go to his studio.
His artist was Joe Sinister back then.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
You remember Joe Sinister, yeah a little bit right.

Speaker 5 (01:46:20):
Yeah, that was his artist.

Speaker 12 (01:46:21):
That was my bro and shit, you know what I mean, right.

Speaker 5 (01:46:24):
So I used to come out there fuck with Joe
in the studio and ship.

Speaker 34 (01:46:28):
Yea Masterday was gonna find Pace because I was already signed,
So he was gonna sign Pace Yo.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
Whatever.

Speaker 15 (01:46:33):
Yo, it's friendly neighborhood fly.

Speaker 23 (01:46:34):
I got cool, Kim, And I wanted to take a
moment to congratulate my brother DJ sound Wave from reaching
two hundred episodes of Infinite Band of podcast, and uh,
I want to I want to keep it real, you know,
first of all, because honestly, if we're being real, it's
not two undred episodes. I was on two of these episodes,
all right, And from the two episodes I did, he
cut them things up and then ran each one of

(01:46:55):
them joints back and over and over and over again
like a chan or eleven repeat, okay, and then called it, uh,
two hundred episodes that reallyre like one hundred and twelve episodes,
because you know, you know what I'm saying, like this guy,
you know, listen.

Speaker 5 (01:47:10):
Man, you know you want to go with it.

Speaker 23 (01:47:11):
Congratulations thing it you know whatever, blah blah, blah but
me and you know what's up, bro? You know big
love all that, you know, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
But all right, whatever, before you're part of the UMCS
and everything, do you remember like some of your earliest
memories of hip hop music culture, anything, something come to
mind when you first start to think about everything that's happened.

Speaker 11 (01:47:31):
I think of dances, Okay, yeah, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 23 (01:47:35):
And I'm gonna tell you why because all right, so
before I'm rapping, I'm breakdancing.

Speaker 15 (01:47:39):
You know what I'm saying. I'm trying to get in
B street.

Speaker 23 (01:47:42):
I went to the big Breakdance contest at the Roxy
Roller Ring and I jumped. I was on the stage
when me and my brother had a routine and I
was on there to break dance and get busy, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 15 (01:47:52):
And I got invited back to do the next thing.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
And we all know you got that move. We see that,
you know with the UMC is the flip leg spin
with you. You still got it, man, you brought it back.
You were showing on.

Speaker 15 (01:48:06):
Instagram that's my street fighter ken Ryu.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
There it is, judge that.

Speaker 12 (01:48:13):
You know what I say.

Speaker 23 (01:48:14):
But I think of that, But I also think of
when I say I think a dancer, to be honest
with you, I think of like the Wop and James
Brown and the Happy Feet and you know, you know,
the Bismarcky and all of those type of dances that
we would do when we would go to the park gyms,
which would be like the summer gams at the city throws,
and we would we would we would perform at those

(01:48:36):
h and like that feeling.

Speaker 8 (01:48:39):
Bro.

Speaker 23 (01:48:40):
I think my bro Derek's cousin Sharon, she was a
dope m ceo.

Speaker 15 (01:48:46):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 23 (01:48:46):
But you know, life ain't make that possible for it
to come out, but as she came out, she would
have been huge.

Speaker 15 (01:48:51):
She was dope, man, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 23 (01:48:53):
Seventeen years old, seventeen with pride, that's my age. She
was nice, nice, right, And I just think of these
beautiful moments that are like, you know, like what's the
sandlot or whatever? Like that the movie where they just
mo yeah, well, you know, you're just like, this is
my story childhood.

Speaker 15 (01:49:14):
And I think of when.

Speaker 23 (01:49:15):
I first got the words to rappers delight, my mother
a police officer.

Speaker 15 (01:49:20):
Back then there was xerox stuff that was viral.

Speaker 23 (01:49:23):
You did something that people xerox and passed around that
you were viral, like the first.

Speaker 15 (01:49:28):
Orsion of viral.

Speaker 22 (01:49:29):
And she came home with.

Speaker 23 (01:49:31):
A folded up copy of Rappers Delight that had been
xerox type and she thought it was funny and you know,
like it was. She brought it on because it was
like a gag, and she put it over for me
to see it. I remember opening up that piece of paper, Bro,
and it was like it just lights shone from off
the paper. The words just rolls up in the ass,

(01:49:52):
you know what I'm saying, like like like it's.

Speaker 8 (01:49:54):
Old or something, you know, Like, Yo.

Speaker 23 (01:49:59):
You know I was just Bro. I was just mystified.
I was taken to an entire different reality. And yo,
I mean it was probably my gift and curse because
you know, on one hand, it was everything you know
what I'm saying, and it's made me the person that
I am at the second. On the other hand, you know,
I was trapped in it, like I can't you know,

(01:50:20):
I couldn't let it.

Speaker 15 (01:50:20):
Go, even at fifty two years old. Man, I can't
let this go. It's it's not something that I have
intended on.

Speaker 23 (01:50:25):
It's my hobby, it's my it's my passion, it's my
talent rests in there or one of them at least,
but the one I love the most. So yeah, man,
those you know, thinking about them Park Jams, I remember
I see the Fat Boys, you know what I'm saying,
had come to stand on and performs, you know what
I'm saying, and you know things like that. Man, was
just like it was amazing, bro, Like I can't I

(01:50:47):
can't adequately.

Speaker 15 (01:50:48):
Describe how the energy that was in the air.

Speaker 23 (01:50:51):
And it wasn't so violent back then, you know either,
So it wasn't like, you know, you have a Park
jam ay time it got shot up, eight time it
got turned out. It wasn't that wow like that like that,
you know what I'm saying. You know, plenty of Park
James is just fun, you know what I'm saying, Just fun.
I remember, Yo, we used to go to Jones beach Man.
That was a big thing for the Greek picnic. Anybody
Greek and I would come out of Jones and then

(01:51:13):
they would have people will perform on the stage. Man,
you know, the best or the best in that time
would be up there rocking.

Speaker 15 (01:51:20):
I mean, Yo, those are a really amazing.

Speaker 23 (01:51:23):
I'll tell you another one I remember from hip hop
and this is one that a lot of people don't remember,
but I remember the Walker Thon. So they used to
have the walker Thon. Was like it was like one
of those type of things where you go jogging and
you get sponsors and those sponsors are gonna paid money
and donated to whatever the causes of the walk or

(01:51:44):
the run or the jog four k jog or whatever.
That was the walker thing, and it would be like
from Lower Manhattan up to Harlem or up to like
one like up deep into Central Park which will lead
you into Harlem.

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of miles there,
long walk.

Speaker 23 (01:52:01):
But see that was where sneaker culture comes in because
sneaker coach and hip hop manifest there. Because everybody was
on set for the Walk of Thon. All the hottest
rap acts would be somewhere in the crowd walking on
the Walk of don instant people be out there with
their little tape thatic boomboxes outside representing and Yo.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
You remember what was like what was some of the
saying the.

Speaker 23 (01:52:27):
Same year whatever year CAMEO came out with that song Candy.

Speaker 11 (01:52:31):
It was more.

Speaker 23 (01:52:32):
Heights of the walk of Don because I remember I
had my first hot hot top.

Speaker 15 (01:52:37):
Fare trend was way up here, man, you know what
I'm saying. I didn't play and had nothing on me.

Speaker 22 (01:52:43):
You heard, and.

Speaker 23 (01:52:46):
When I had the hot top and when that high
at that point though, it was still growing hot. But
I was one of the first people that was wearing
I'm trying to say I was the first person ever,
but I was like when the first people I saw.
And I know how I was because I was at
the walker Don and every time I was walking, everywhere
I walked, everybody was playing that start playing that song
tastes like candy because you know whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
Black men, black singer.

Speaker 15 (01:53:10):
He had that hotsop, so everybody was playing it because.

Speaker 8 (01:53:14):
Of that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 15 (01:53:15):
So any time he played, you knowybody, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 23 (01:53:22):
Whatever, But yeah, man, you know, so when you're out
at the walkathon wherever he was from, he was trying
to get freshly dipped, so that there was like this
great trade, like this great.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
Do you want to look good while you're walking the
right shoes, gear, everything.

Speaker 15 (01:53:39):
Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir. So that's how it
was in the days.

Speaker 23 (01:53:43):
But these things like the city jams that the city
summer fest type of jams, the walka don you know
what I mean, And you know those dances, you know,
those different dances we had like that, I think are
a serious staples in how hip hop.

Speaker 12 (01:54:00):
What Up is your Man?

Speaker 35 (01:54:01):
Money b from Digital Underground, raw Fusion and money being
young Hump representing that day all day and of course
I'm cool out and I'm rocking.

Speaker 11 (01:54:12):
With infinite banter.

Speaker 35 (01:54:13):
If you didn't know, oh Humpty Dance.

Speaker 11 (01:54:17):
It changed all of our lives, right it was.

Speaker 12 (01:54:20):
It was.

Speaker 15 (01:54:22):
It hit the world by storm.

Speaker 8 (01:54:23):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:54:24):
When we made it, we thought it was a great song.

Speaker 35 (01:54:26):
You know, but just because it's a great song doesn't.

Speaker 14 (01:54:28):
Mean it's gonna be a hit record.

Speaker 35 (01:54:29):
You know, in the eyes of the world, you know,
shout out to Tommy Boy. They got it out there
in the way it was supposed to get out there,
and it was just something fresh and new, and it
took the world by storm and it ended up, you know,
selling I don't know where it's at now, but I
know it was by not you know, in the nineteen
ninety it was double platinum.

Speaker 11 (01:54:47):
You know, and that was that kind of put us
on the map.

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
Ye what did you first think of the whole Humpty Hump,
you know, gimmick persona when he started pulling that out,
were You're like, what this is? Bugged out? What are
you doing? You're just like a pimp with like, you know,
the nose glasses. Was it like crazy to you or
did you guys get it right away?

Speaker 35 (01:55:03):
I kind of got it right away because everybody told
you I was introduced to Shot.

Speaker 11 (01:55:08):
He was.

Speaker 35 (01:55:09):
He was a character even in an introduction, and as
soon as you get to know him and you become
part of the group, you're also introduced to these other
characters like blow EMC, Blowfish and Rackadelic, you know, a
few other personas that he had even before Humpty Hump
was invented. And so when he was like, Okay, this

(01:55:29):
is gonna be the guy that does this and he
kind of, you know, mimiced it, I was like, for show,
let's do it.

Speaker 11 (01:55:34):
You know, I wasn't.

Speaker 35 (01:55:35):
I wasn't in no way or shape that I ever
go against the grain of that because I got it.
It was just something new, and I was like, why
not try it?

Speaker 14 (01:55:43):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
And I remember when I first saw that Shock and
Hunty were the same dude. I was like, seriously, I
didn't catch it right away. Were a lot of people
surprised when they found out that it was not two
separate dudes.

Speaker 14 (01:55:53):
Were a lot of people surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
Spoiler, by the way, it's the same dude.

Speaker 14 (01:55:59):
That's what I was gonna say.

Speaker 35 (01:56:00):
You know, even to this day, people still argue that.
And just the fact that we were able to to
kind of string.

Speaker 14 (01:56:06):
People along for so long, this is amazing to me.

Speaker 35 (01:56:09):
So it's kind of like, you know, Humpty Hump is
a character like Batman, right, so we always we always
had someone that that could play it, even.

Speaker 14 (01:56:18):
From day one. Sometimes his SHOT's brother can't play him.

Speaker 35 (01:56:22):
He had to his other friends, you know, in different
eight by tens or photo shoots or even even in
the same song video.

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
I was about to ask about his.

Speaker 35 (01:56:33):
His his brother, and a few scenes his brother is
Humpty up because his brother looks like him. So we
kind of we were it was fun to be able
to like to pull off this this facade that it
was two people. But you know, you either believe in
the character or not. So even when you we know
that Batman is not real.

Speaker 11 (01:56:52):
But Batman is real.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
Wait a minute, are you serious?

Speaker 35 (01:56:58):
But but he is a real meaning, like there's a Batman,
like he exists. So when you see Batman on television,
the cartoon, you'll be like, what's on it's Batman and
it's the character that we believe in.

Speaker 8 (01:57:11):
We know that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
That's when we see.

Speaker 35 (01:57:12):
The cape, that's Batman. So you know, whether it's played
by you know, whoever through the years, or even Double
O seven James Bond, you know, Roger Moore or whoever
else played them back in the day to the guy
who's playing them now he even it looks different every time,
but it's still Double O seven.

Speaker 15 (01:57:31):
It's still James Bond.

Speaker 11 (01:57:32):
We know how he acts, we know what he does.
We know he drinks.

Speaker 35 (01:57:35):
Martini shaking thats third, you know with.

Speaker 14 (01:57:37):
The women, same thing with Humpty Huther.

Speaker 35 (01:57:39):
He's always you know, you see the nose, you see
the clothes and you see the hose.

Speaker 36 (01:57:44):
You know it's yeah, what's something that boy the legend
Debbie Kuroki from the Legend Debbie Fat Boys, I'm here
on infinite Banter and we're going to the house.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
Yes, sir, you know the elements hip hop are so big,
and I feel like the Fat Boys really did a
great job of trying to make sure that, you know,
Buffy Human be Box is a big element of what
you guys put on Wax and of course M seeing
you and Mark and you guys even had DJing and
everything in there. I mean, just talk about how important
was we guys always had those elements involved that the
music you guys are putting.

Speaker 14 (01:58:13):
Out, buff being a huge part of the group.

Speaker 37 (01:58:17):
Of the success of you know, easily, easily without a doubt,
because nobody never seen anything like that.

Speaker 14 (01:58:23):
Nobody never seen nothing.

Speaker 37 (01:58:24):
I mean, we became a burtup stick them as far
as just having the a capella version of it, it
just blew people away. And I always say to this day,
Boff w thresh Is Marketing, may rest in peace, Rozelle
Human jock Box.

Speaker 14 (01:58:39):
These guys they need a lane for themselves.

Speaker 12 (01:58:42):
They made a.

Speaker 37 (01:58:43):
Huge lane for themselves, and they put themselves in the
five elements, which is like a sixth element of hip
hop right now, because deep boxing, it's just it, It's
just it's transferred over to the people in high schools,
in junior high schools doing it. You know, when they
couldn't on the table. They started getting the beat box.
Somebody do the b box for it. So they were

(01:59:03):
a huge influence on the hip hop culture. And like
I said, Boff is just you know, I'm trying to
put together a human beat Box Day and have a
day just for like yeah, definitely, So June tenth is
going to be Human be Box Day. So I'm pushing
to put that out there. But yeah, Boston, you know,
even the DJ you know, you have DJs A grand

(01:59:26):
Master Da Condini and jam Master J. You know, Jazzy
Jeff and the list goes on and on. You know,
these guys just played a huge part. You know, they
played the some of the I mean, in some cases
the biggest part of this hip hop coach.

Speaker 14 (01:59:40):
You know, what would the would rapper be without the DJ?
You know what I'm saying. So the DJ enhances the
rapper and makes him better in a lot of cases.

Speaker 3 (01:59:47):
Yeah, it goes back to what you said at the
very beginning. Man, it was all about the DJs in
the park. So I mean that's the start of it.
So you can't overlook that and forget the foundation, right right,
you can't.

Speaker 14 (01:59:55):
You can't.

Speaker 37 (01:59:56):
And I see these these new waves of rappers now,
they're the kind of excluding the DJ. They don't even
have DJs on stage from anyone those who do have DJs,
he's just he's just there's a crop.

Speaker 14 (02:00:08):
On and I'm like, you know, that's not cool. You
gotta have it.

Speaker 37 (02:00:11):
You gotta have a segment where the DJ just gets
loosed like we did back in the day. You know,
the DJ Jazz and Jeff would just get loose and
Atentive Jab Massa j would just getting loose.

Speaker 14 (02:00:21):
They even have Buss getting loose in the B box.

Speaker 37 (02:00:23):
You know, we don't want to lose the intiate arts
of this hip hop culture.

Speaker 14 (02:00:29):
And and and he built it up, you know, whether
it be the rapper, the DJ, the be box, the
break dancing at the CD. We don't want to lose that,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 37 (02:00:37):
But I think every day we're getting away from it
because I think the new crop is entertaining that's coming along.

Speaker 14 (02:00:43):
They don't abide by. They's losing, you know. They just
rapping just to be rapping.

Speaker 37 (02:00:47):
And a lot of the content has no has no
meaning to it, you know, and they think that's what it's.

Speaker 14 (02:00:53):
About, but it's not about that. They have to do
some studying on this culture. They've gotta do the their
homework and the culture.

Speaker 5 (02:01:01):
It's time for you to leave assholds.

Speaker 3 (02:01:02):
That is Kirk Cosavedo doing what he always does, which
he's done for about I don't know, one hundred and
ninety six of these things. Is telling me to get
the hell out of here, and that is exactly what
I'm going to do. And two hundred episodes is in
the books, So man, so much to say here at
the end, Thank you so much. Everybody's been a part
of this podcast. I can't name all the guests that
have been on, but basically I've only done, you know,

(02:01:23):
maybe three or four solo shows, so there's been a
lot of people have helped contribute to getting this podcast
to two hundred episodes and just keep it going and
going and going. I had joked early if you've been
playing this whole thing, it did a little teaser earlier
that I have done an interview that never aired. Technically,
this is two hundred and one episodes if you really
want to get into the real roots of it. But

(02:01:44):
that interview is in a folder on the computer here.
I can't use it. I kind of feel like Tupac
and that Mechavelli album, that last track caught against all odds.
He's like, he's hinting at who shot him, and he's
trying to, you know, not say the name, and then
you hear him dubbed in. I mean, say his name,
say his name. I know people are like, who is it?
Who did you interview? You can't air it. I'll just
say this. I never thought he was a big dummy

(02:02:06):
because he was called that on something he did in
the past, but he sure acted like one. And I
couldn't play it. And it's just gonna it's gonna rot
and a folder on here. Maybe someday I take something
from it and use it, but I can't.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
It is so bad.

Speaker 3 (02:02:21):
That's the only time I ever did this, and I
thought I was gonna just quit. I'm like, I can't due.
This is ridiculous. This is completely you know nuts. I
don't want to get into that because that's too negative.
So this is two hundred episodes because that one doesn't count,
all right, But I want to thank everybody who has
been on this episode that were guests in the past.
So let's go down the line. Here, got Jason Warner, Smith,
Russell Todd, Pamela Davis, Nolan, Theotis Crane, Nathan Hamill, Rock Sane,

(02:02:44):
Perez b Brian Blair, Kyle Farnsworth, Wordsworth, Acrobatic, Reese, Chill, Will,
DJ Silver Spinner, Spider, D Chubbs, DJ reel one E,
c Illa Young Z, Money Bee, Cool Kim and Cool
rock Ski. Sounded like that. Rhymed a little bit there.
He put a beat under that, And you know, big

(02:03:04):
shout outs everybody's been listening to this show. You know,
big out to my guy DJ Rear when he has
played all of them, even told you that earlier. Shout
out to my guy Rudy. He always hits me back
with feedback on these episodes, So I appreciate everybody's listened
to them, play them back, give me feedback on it,
and let's see what the next one hundred brings, right,
And I definitely appreciate everybody's been a part of this thing.

(02:03:25):
And I couldn't do it without great guests. And because
I can't talk to myself too much, eventually I would
just have quit. If I'm if it was just the
Mark Show, show wouldn't last. It would have been dead
a long time ago, and I'd be doing something else
to take up my time, playing Solitaire on my phone
or something. Who knows. All right, thanks again, everybody's been
checking out the show. The Infinite Banter Podcast two hundred episodes.

(02:03:48):
This episode and all the other one hundred and ninety
nine are all available on all platforms. Find them. You
heard something you liked here, man, I want to hear
more of that acrobatic go find it. You want to
hear more, Kyle Farnsworth, go find it. You want here,
DJ Rewins six times, you can go find them. Maybe
it's seven. You can go find them. There's all kinds
of episodes out there. They're all over the place. Follow
the show on Facebook, Instagram, threads, blue sky at Infinite

(02:04:12):
Banter Podcast, Rate and review the show. I can't ask
you guys, do that enough? That really helps him.

Speaker 2 (02:04:17):
You do that.

Speaker 3 (02:04:18):
Go on a Apple podcasts or wherever you play this show,
rate it, review it, tell him my suck, tell him
I'm good. Whatever. Go to superseven dot com, slash Infinite
Banter Podcast, or a sponsor of the show. Go ahead
and buy some merch from that link and you can
give some kickback to the show. I'll put that money
right back into the podcast. I'll put all those pennies
right back into this thing, and definitely check out Spotify

(02:04:38):
with the playlist and all the poll questions. It's really
been fun doing this show and I can't wait to
do more of it. So big salute to all of you.
Happy New Year's, Merry Christmas, all the holidays that you celebrate,
May they be good to you and all that. As
I said earlier, definitely want to dedicate this episode to
Mark Bean's aka Preach. Definitely thinking about him these last
few weeks, so salute to him and hopefully I did

(02:05:00):
him some service by putting out this episode. All Right,
that's it, So I'll do another one of these two
hundred and one episode and that would be a little less exciting.

Speaker 2 (02:05:08):
Probably.

Speaker 3 (02:05:10):
I'm out, hey, Asa'll get.

Speaker 12 (02:05:11):
Off the road.

Speaker 22 (02:05:25):
Being on the Infinite Fanna with my Man Mark has
been a pleasure.

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