"Oodles of Show"

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, this is ultramag seven, the culture clip King. You
are listening to Infinite Banter podcast with my man DJ
sound Wave.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Infinite Banter Podcast. Baby.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Here it is another episode of the Infinite Banter podcast.
What is going On? My name is Mark Child also
known as DJ Soundwave. Really fun episode right here, but
looking forward to this one for a couple of weeks,
The one and only Ultra mag seven is coming on
the show. He does so many things on social media
that I am and definitely have to pay attention to

(01:02):
because he finds ways to take clips and rework them
audio from either videos or songs or someone else's podcast
or his podcast or whatever, and he really finds a
cool way of basically doing in that space of social
media that catches your attention. And you know. He's also,
by the way, featured on the new Chuck D album.

(01:23):
The track is called carry On. You could find it
on the New Chuck D presents Enemy Radio Radio Armageddon. Man,
go get that album if you've not heard it yet.
But yeah, Ultramax seven is on there on the track
carry On. So you got a lot to talk about
stuff he's done with Princess Superstar and podcasts. He's done
in recent episodes he's had with sadat X, so a

(01:44):
lot to go over with the one and only Ultramax seven.
So stay tuned. He'll be coming up shortly. But as
we always do on this show, here before we go forward,
we go back and on my last episode, I had
a returning guest, the one only Rhinoceros Funk. He came on.
He talked about a lot of stuff, but right here
he talks about the idea of buying beats, which is

(02:05):
something he would never do. He makes them. He does
his own but pretty funny Rhinoceros Funk in the last
episode of the Infinite Banter podcast Flashback.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
For Now. It's solid Funk plus one and that's it.
Beat nobody. I'm not wandering with nobody else. Don't ask
me to work with you. Don't ask me to buy
your beats. Fucking bump uh yeah, boy, man, I sell
beats with fifty dollars. I'm like this, like I need
to be dollars. Mother fuck up.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I'm like, yo, man, do your research being wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Did he have a trench coat with you know, like
beats inside of it?

Speaker 5 (02:44):
Man?

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah? He opened up the trench boy with his beats
in his little tick.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I say, and it's a little thing of that. I
gotta go to those kind of beats. I gotta, I
gotta nos tight beats. What kind of beat you want?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Man?

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Isn't that just so fucking corny?

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Old really cool? Talking with Rhinoceros Funk. Every time he
comes on, it's always an interesting conversation because it's not
just about what he's actually working on. It always, you know,
the path changes. We'll start talking about movies or you
know how old Tommy Lee Jones looks, or you know,
wrestling from the eighties and Tony Atlas living in Maine,

(03:20):
all kinds of crazy stuff. So definitely go check him
out and check out his new album with DJ JS
one and Silent Someone Silent Funk three Silence before the
Funk Really Cool album. Definitely go check him out. As
he says, he's very googleble. Speaking of Googleble, my man
Ultra mag seven is on the show today. We made
up some words during the interview that you'll stay tuned for.

(03:43):
You might be writing them down and using them in
everyday life, or you'll be saying, to yourself, what are
these guys talking about? Those are not real words? It's
just stay tuned from Man Ultra Mag seven coming up shortly.
I do want to do a couple of quick things here.
I do want to mention I went to the Fan
Expo here in the Chicago End area comic book convention,
and I go to a lot of these, you know,
two or three a year, and I want to talk
about that on an upcoming episode, more than likely to

(04:05):
be the next one after the one you're listening to now.
I'll do a little overview of my time there, my
experience at the expo, and maybe I'll throw in a
couple of throwback interviews from past guests that are related
to COMPA conventions and that genre. So stay tuned. We'll
do a COMPA convention centric episode coming up on the
Infinite Banter podcast. Definitely want to give a shout out

(04:27):
to my guy Rudy who reminded me because it's my
favorite time of year where pumpkin spice coffee comes back.
I did see it on the news a couple of
weeks ago that Starbucks is bringing it back early. So
all you haters we don't like pumpkin spice, I don't
tell you, but I love it. I'm so happy I
wish there was this year year round. I wish they
didn't have it seasonal, although it doesn't make it special

(04:49):
when it comes back. So I'm ready. I'm ready for
my Pumpkin Spice. Was that one of the spice girls?
Was there one named Pumpkin Spice? I don't remember. My
daughters has playing that What's that Wanna Be?

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Song?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Discovered it and now she plays it all the time.
But I don't know all their names. I don't think
there's a Pumpkin Spice. Is there's an old spice or
a spicy spice or something? I like spice one? But
he definitely is not part of that salute to the
East Bay gangster spice one. But way later in the episode,
here I will talk about my daughter just started a
dance class and had some observations, let's just say, and

(05:24):
they played a song that made me almost walk up
to the counter and say give me a refund. He
can't play this in here if I'm gonna be paying
for her to be doing this. So stay tuned. That's
after the interview with my man Ulter Max Even It's
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(05:46):
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(06:06):
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Infinite Banter Podcast. All right, without further ado, let's get

(06:29):
to it. Ultramax seven is here, got a lot to
talk about. Go ahead and grab your favorite musty seats
and check out this interview coming up here with my
man Ultramag seven. We have a lot of fun talking here,
so stay tuned. Ultramac seven is in the building. But
before we do anything, the show never begins until the
one and Only, the Devastating Might Controller DMC gets on.
He says this, and the show begins. Yo, Yo, what's up?

Speaker 5 (06:50):
This is me DMC to Ki and g the greatest
MC in HISTORYAD And right now you're listening to Infinite
Banter because we will ban to on forever, because this
is the only place for all of y'all to ever be.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
I be Infinite Banter.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
You're tuned into the Infinite Banter Podcast. I am DJ
Soundwave and I'm really hyped to bring on to the show.
I guess who you could hear on multiple podcasts. You
can hear him on the Sea Dock Again show and
the Perspective podcast. He is also featured on the recent
Chuck D project Chuck D presents Enemy Radio Radio Armor Geddon.
Welcome to the show, the One and Only Ultramag seven.

(07:30):
What's up man?

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Oh, thank you for having me on. Thank you, thank
you appreciate this.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
No doubt, man, I know I know my intro is
missing out like thirty years of stuff.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Thirty years of being hidden under a.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Rock, right right. Well, I picked up that rock and
it's like, man, like, what's under here? Let me see
what's going on. So and that rock got heavier, you know,
because I keep finding more and more stuff, the more
you're telling me before we do this officially, everybody listening,
Man Ultramac seven. My introduction to you, as I was
saying right before he started recording, is I bought that
Chuck the album a couple of months ago and I
started playing it. I was like, what is this track

(08:09):
right here? Who is this dude? And then within like
that week, I think my man Dj Rilwan put out
a video and you remixed it, and I was like, man,
this guy is like a social media god. He's doing
the shit I want to do. He's working with Chuck,
he's making great videos of his content. All right, where's
he at? Let me get at this guy.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
It's so weird. Like I think I was telling you
a little bit earlier that.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
When you reached out and I talked to you know,
one of my cohorts, c Doc, and I said, yeah,
it wasn't talk to me about rapping. I was like,
I said, dude, thanks for making me a rapper again,
because I haven't done a song for like twenty years.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
So they go either way, I'm either gonna make you
pick up the pen again or you're like, man, this guy,
this guy has no idea.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, we do have some projects coming, yeah, yeah we can.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
We can talk about that a little bit later. But
we got some you got some some things that are coming.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
But no doubt.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I guess I'm mainly before you picked up this Chuck
D record, I was mainly known for my Instagram page,
which I kind of do what people would call a mashup.
But I will give credit to one of your former guests,
who Kim. He told me said, oh you gotta you

(09:24):
gotta give this thing a name, and so I call
it culture Clips, and it's mixing.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Hip hop culture with pop culture. I'm a child. I'm
a child of the seventies and eighties, so there you go.
I guess it's kind of showing.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
My age, but a man, I just turned that age
this year in April. I'm fifty. I'm exactly fifty years old,
so I'm right there with you.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
You know, my birthday's next month.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
So there it is.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, I'm in that range.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
There it is.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yeah, but yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I do these I guess what people call a mash
and I got known for that during I guess the pandemic.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Even still now, I mean, people have discovered me.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
But I went from like no followers to I think
I'm hovering around sixty thousand or something just from I
always say it to people doing these dumb little videos
and the like, they're not dumb, and I'm like, just
for me, because it was me sitting in the house
just being bored, just bored, and you know, I just

(10:30):
I thought that there was this hip hop I guess
in my mind, I thought there was some hip hop
thing building on social media, and I wanted to be
a part of it.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
But I guess that was just an algorithm with all
the people I was.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Following just there.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
But I felt like I was neglected. I felt like
I wanted to be a part of it.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Right. You found a niche, man, I mean a lot
of people. I think during COVID there's a lot of
positive things that came out of it. Is that people
found like a lane or a lane was created that
you didn't maybe knew existed before, and you're like, man,
I could do this online or I can. I mean,
all of us were stuck. So yeah, we're watching Versus
and all that, you know, to get our entertainment, and
d Nice killed it. You know he was definitely keeping

(11:08):
as saying yeah through a lot of that, and so yeah,
it sounds like that's what happened to you. You you
found something for you to get into and it's blown
up a little bit for you.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, it's crazy because you know, like I just I
just wanted to It's it's kind of weird because I
thought about this for a while, but you never put
it together. But I'm like, I have all this hip
hop knowledge and artistic views and all this type of stuff,
and how do you put all of that together?

Speaker 4 (11:34):
And it's kind of seemed to come together.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
And even you know, I've stepped in you know, I've
stepped in your space, like podcasting, and that's something that
came I wasn't. I didn't even when we first thought
about doing a podcast, I knew nothing about it.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
I listened to them, but I'd like, how do you
do this?

Speaker 1 (11:53):
And we just reverse engineered and figure it out. Me
and my partner Fresh you know when we first started.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
So it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, man, it's I have a radio background, so I
don't want to say I knew what I was getting into,
but I had an idea on how I wanted to
do it where. You know, I'm gonna sound like I'm hating,
but I guess, I guess I am. You know a
lot of people have podcasts out there. I feel like
they obviously have zero training in and you don't have to.
I mean, we're in an area you don't have to
say through music. People put out of a song tomorrow,
they got the equipment in the ouse, whatever, right, But

(12:23):
there is something to it. And I think you're different
because maybe you don't have a background in like radio
or something, right, but you have a background in culture
and music. You bring something to the table where's opposed
somebody that just wants to talk about, you know, whatever,
some opinion they have and turn on a microphone. I
think that's all takes to do a podcast. It's a
lot more complicated than that. And suits a cool Kim.

(12:44):
I don't want to overlook that he's been on this
show twice. Mad respect to him. He's one of those
dudes I had on here. I started this in twenty nineteen.
That kind of made me feel like I was onto something,
like like I was on the right path. I don't
have a lot of people listen, but when I got
him on here, it's like, oh shit, cool Kim said yes,
and you know, like I means saying like that, that
meant something to me. So he knows that, and I'm
in debt to him and obviously helps you with some advice.

(13:05):
It sounds like, so, you know, what's so crazy?

Speaker 4 (13:08):
It was?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
You know, I obviously I had followed him listening to UMCS,
was a fan of his music and all that, and
he was doing like a lot of lives and I
think it was one day he was doing a live
but something he said had resonated with me, and I
just was like, oh, if something had resonated.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
And then he was also on his show, Oh I
Am hip Hop.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
The game show, and then they had kind of recently
asked me to be on the show, so I wanted
to ask him about that experience.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
And everything, and so he was.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Like, yo, just hit me up, and you know, called
him up and we had a great talk. And then
later when he told me about you know, naming what
I do. It was another live and he was like, Yo, Oltra,
I'm gonna introduce you and and bring this up. And
he said, yo, what you got to give this a name.
He's like, you don't want to be five years from now.
Listen to this window of something something nameless right eems

(14:02):
like when somebody else takes it and does it and
flips it around. And I got what he was saying.
I totally got what he was saying. And I think
I brainstorm with my homegirl Jennifer and like, yeah, culture clips,
that's what we're gonna call it coating clips, man.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
And you're just like a perfect example of that is
like yesterday you posted the wrestling one that you tagged
me and the Ken Peter with the Wu Tang song
and everything, and I was like, all right, yeah, yeah,
that's a little taste of what you do.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
After you know, we we were talking behind the scenes
and we were talking some wrestlings.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
I said, oh, I said, it's Wu Tang Wednesday. I
was like, I was like, let me let me throw
this with this his way so he could see this.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
There is man, And you know, yeah, I had this
conversation a lot on here as you as you've heard,
because I heard a couple of my episodes. You know,
I'm a big fan of wrestling, and it's weird that,
like wrestling used to not a word this, it used
to not be I think it's always been cool, but
I think to a lot of people was not cool.
And like I feel like a lot of hip hop people,
you know, especially Griselda, right, they are kind of bringing

(14:58):
that to the forefront, and they're like making it making
it cool, like they're making it like something to talk
about on a rhyme or a song or whatever. And
it's cool to see that. You know, Wu Tang has
been doing that from the jump. We just didn't catch
it at the beginning.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I guess, yeah, as much I you know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Maybe I think there were different times for me where
it was cool. Like I think when I was a
really you know, a young kid and you're watching it
and because then we'd all go outside and try try
to emulate the moves.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Oh my god, you know, I'm this person. I'm this person.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
So maybe maybe it was cool before we started liking girls.
After we started liking girls, and it's like, yo, we
can't that's.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
It, dude. You know what, man, you hit the nail
on the head there because I said this the Rhinoceros
Funk episode I did recently during the like the nineties,
that's when I was in college and all that I
didn't watch. So I don't know when Hogan turned bad.
I didn't watch it. Like I'm aware of it, of course,
but I mean I didn't see it. Like I don't
know about the Monday Night Wars and all that. I
didn't watch any of it. I was in college, dude,

(15:56):
I was doing college stuff. Suck. I didn't care.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
You know what's crazy.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
My cousin he's been a big like wrestling fan, but
he still watches, you know, matches like he'll still get
like the WrestleManias. So I think it was during I
don't know if it was there on basketball season or
football season or something.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
And I'm over there.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
We're you know, I usually watch the games at his house.
He's like, I hope you don't mind if I go
back and forth with WrestleMania. And I was like, you know,
it's your house.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Bro, you do what you do. And then he went
he went to the WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
So I'm like watching it and then I don't know
any of the wrestlers, but then I saw Rhea Ripley, and.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
I'm like, yo, who is she? Who is this? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (16:38):
She's real, She's yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
She was really.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
I think I started follower on Instagram, like who is
this chick? But I'm not I'm not back into it,
but at least I have somebody I could recognize.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, there's a lot. I mean, I still watch it.
I mean, I'll admit that my interest has kind of
waned over the last few years, maybe just because I've
got other things that I got six year olds, like
got my My tension is all over the place sometimes,
but wrestling is one of those things. Just like like
I watch baseball a lot, I just have it onto
the background, like I don't have to be sitting there watching,
you know, intently, right, But yeah, I definitely, like you

(17:14):
said her, she is one of those right now that
I will put on if I see she's wrestling somebody,
you know, I definitely want to pay attention. Jade car
Gill is a beast. She's she's crazy with it. I
love aj styles, but he's kind of older now, so
don't really put him in matches these days. But yeah,
the new stuff is not like there's something about Nicols
with hip hop music too. Man, the stuff he grew
up with, the movies, everything, It just it just hits different.

(17:37):
You know. I'd rather watch a macho man match than
anything that's going on now. And if that makes me
a old you know whatever, fine, I'd rather hear you know,
a Houdini record then you know, whatever is coming out now,
I'm sorry, That's who I am.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's funny because, you know, doing what I do on Instagram,
I'm always trying to come up with new videos and
new songs.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
To flip in two.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
But it's all it's always usually old music unless somebody
like commissions me to, you know, do a video for them,
or you know, it's something I really get caught up
in that want to do now. But it's usually music
from yesteryear. So I always find myself listening to classics
or underappreciated you know music.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
So I figure with that.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
And I think part of that is and it just
goes with age as we get older. You know, if
you're trying to put a piece of something together, you're
trying to make it connect to a time in your life. Well,
I mean, no offense but something came out yesterday is
not exactly going to connect, you know, with you. And
let's say, let's something happened yesterday. You know you heard
that song yesterday, and it works that way. But generally, yes,
stuff from the past is going to reflect on something

(18:43):
and bring it back. And man, I will say this
doing this podcast, This is what helps me from becoming
that old guy who doesn't like anything that's new. I
learned so much independent underground music doing this show because
people I've reached out to they come back on or
they'll reach out to me like I heard you do
the show of come on. So I've learned so much
much stuff that it's keeping me from being the old
head saying it's only good in the eighties and nineties

(19:05):
Like I'm not that I know I sounded like that
dude a minute ago, but I do listen to I mean,
if you listen to this podcast, almost every episode is
somebody's got something out right now. So I'm not not
that dude all the time, thankfully. And I don't know
if you guys hear that same with that with your
podcast that you guys do, do you have that same
kind of feeling to where you're like learning new artists
and songs and maybe you would not have known about
if it wasn't for doing like a podcast or a show.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
It's the same type of thing.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
So going to the show that I'm on, it's Sea
Doc again, So especially Sea Doc and flat Line.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Who are you know?

Speaker 1 (19:37):
At Sea Doc he's the host, and flat Line he's
the co host along with me and Jennifer Is. Flat
Line actually runs like the music division of what Chuck
d Does? You know, rap Station, So he's over there
running everything on rap station.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
And then Sea Doc runs, you know, the record label,
so Spit Slam he's running that. So I'm always hearing
new music.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Between those two, they'll be like, Yo, this person's got
something new that you hear this, This is this, this,
So they're always bombarded me with new stuff, so I'm
never at a loss for new music. And then it's
like they're ready to talk about it. And then sometimes
if I haven't listened, I feel like I'm out of
the conversation.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Right, They keep you plugged in, but sometimes you're not
quite plugged in as you want to be.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, they keep me plugged in, but I got to
stay up to date with them. Because they're like, you know,
they're going back and forth. But I think I think
the only time where I felt like the old guy
it was around I think maybe twenty ten. It was
right when right before Rock Marciano came out with mars Burg,
and at that time all I listened to was ghost

(20:39):
Face the MF to them, I'm gonna everything else. I
was like, that's it. And then I heard and thank
god for my homeboy DJ Soulbuck. He had played he
had sent me like different Rock Marciano tunes like Pete
Rock had done and stuff. But it was finally a
full album I knew. I was like, oh, I like
this guy and that just threw me down the whole
thing because I hadn't heard a cob before.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
It just took me on all this stuff and I'm like, oh,
we're back. So it was. It was a brief time, but.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, man, that brought me back. Well there you go.
I mean, and you even said the exact year twenty ten.
You didn't even think that hard. You're like, oh man,
when was it ten? You know, I'm only got face
and MF doom that's all I like.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
I remember it very well. See it it was a
dark time.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Well you know what I mean. I mean think about
it too. I mean the different eras. I mean, hip
hop is all about, you know it just it changes.
I mean right, it just changed just now as I'm
talking to like, there's always something new, some new style,
some new whatever. And twenty ten I'm trying to think,
like what was hot back then? Right? I mean you're
coming off NAS and jay Z stuff, right, and you
know you're coming out of that the Cameron style. Everything

(21:45):
was changing and you might not have been down for
a lot of that stuff was on the radio, but
Rock got you back and slew to him.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's yeah because like I said, it was
I've always been a big Doom fans. As whatever do
In puts out, I'm going to listen. And then I
was big you know ghost Face. I'm like, okay, but
I was just listening to that stuff on repeat. Actually,
you know what another one because we just had him
on the show the other day. I used to listen
to a lot of Thirst and how the Third so

(22:15):
it's like those were my go to.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, man, I just saw you had him ontil I
got to get to that episode. Man.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Oh yeah, it was fun and I.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Think we both can relate to this, like doing this podcast,
you know, the guests you've had on and the guests
I've had on. It's hard when people ask, like, what's
your favorite one or what's your favorite guests? I have
a hard time saying specific ones. Is there a couple
that stand out? I mean, I heard your sadat X
one a couple of days ago, and man, there's so
many layers to that one that caught me because first
of all, you know, the end of him was talking
about his health and just listening to him talking about,

(22:46):
you know, going through what he's going through all the
in real time, we've lost so many legends, you know,
the health issues and all that, and I'm at an
age where like that kind of thing could happen to
me too, and I'm sick, Like damn, I'm just glass
of adot X is still here and that he did
the right thing and called you know, an ambulance or whatever.
But uh, yeah, you know, it's just it's just hard
because you know, we have so many legends that have

(23:08):
passed away because of health issues and such, and as
we get older, I think that's just part of it.
You know, we're just going to get older, and there's
going to be people who passed, but talk about talking
to dot X and some of the other guests you've
had on. So people listen, they go gravitate to these
episodes and check out, you know these episodes.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
You're done, all right, So yeah, let me let me
let me just frame this real quick, and I want
to get back to that specific moment because there's something
around that moment.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Okay, it's serious.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
But so you're talking about the prospective podcast where you go,
so I do that with my partner Cana Ranks. Shout
out to Coddle Ranks and this I'll just explain briefly.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
This was This was his idea.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
He he came to me and said, yo, I want
to do this live event and he said, you know,
I want to DJ and then I want.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
You to come interview people.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
And I was like it sounded good to me because
I'll tell you this, I have a fear of public speaking.
So I was like, all right, this is going to
help me because I got to sit in front of people,
and you.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Want to tackle the fear you were you were like,
hi from it, Okay.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Oh absolutely, yep.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Matter of fact, if you heard I don't know if
you heard in that episode when so that was talking
about he was talking to the kids at school. I
actually went to my friend Dale's school to kind of
prep for this, to talk to these kids about public enemy.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
So I'm like, I'm fifty something.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
I'm supposed to talk to these teenagers about a group
that they probably don't care about.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
It was the most nerve wracking thing. But and it's
like a room full of kids. It's like fifty kids,
and I'm like, oh my god, I got it. It's
like entertain me.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
But so what are you gonna do for me?

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah? Right, old guy, show me something here, old guy.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Right. So, So, getting back to the podcast, so it
was his idea and I was like, all r, this
will help me conquer that fear. But I just said
to him, I said, well, why don't we record it
and make it a podcast? Because this will be the
com that if they if they hear this, oh, we'll
come to see what they're doing because we heard this.
Because he wasn't even thinking about being a podcast. I'm like,

(25:07):
because I listen, I didn't plan to do another podcast
after the other podcast that they was like, all right,
I'm kind of done. But I was like, oh, well,
this will make it easy. Oh we were doing is
recording what we're doing. I'll just edit in and put
it together. But like getting back to what you said
about sadat X that particular Uh, that's probably that's probably
my favorite episode.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Like you're saying it's we're only four episodes.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
In, right, but with that particular podcast, but that was
my favorite. And I'll give you a little background about
that was so if you listen to the end, he
kind of says, I thought he was just going into
that saying everything I'd heard that you know, he had
some type of setback or illness, But he was really
saying it because of my partner, Cotta Renks, because all

(25:50):
that he said just happened to him a week before.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
So he had the exact same or similar thing.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Zachow.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Actually, the whole time that we were recording the podcast
Cattle Ranks Don't he was in the hospital. We actually
had him on is it called Duo, so we were
showing it to him so he could see it. So
we actually had because he usually DJs. So what the
way the whole thing perspective is, I don't know if
I'm going all in circles. But it's this live event.

(26:21):
It's a live event in Philadelphia. It's in Center City.
It's on this place called the kyber Pass Pub. So
we go every month. We have different guests. So the
first two hours is kind of Rank's playing music of
the guests, and then like the last two hours is
me interviewing the guests, and then we have like a
meet and greet or you know, if they have merch

(26:41):
they want to sell. So it's really an event for
I would say people that want to learn us older heads.
You come in it like in the afternoon, I get
you home before dinner. You can send the kids to that. Yeah,
so we're trying to we're trying to find, you know,
our Alex to try to you know, it's that to them.
But in saying that is like, you know, Coddle Rex

(27:03):
was the guy. He you know, he was supposed to
play the music the first two hours, but then you know,
we I got word a couple of days before that
he was in the hospital. I'm like what And then
so shout out to our buddy bug this is this
is cadle Rek's best friend. He's you know, one of
our partners, and he just went into to action and
he started working on everything, this this, this, he got
a you know, we got a DJ to filling so,

(27:26):
you know, shout out to Jay Ski for filling in.
That was dope, but you know, and and we kept
everything together. Sadda was there, he was there early. That
wouldn't say on time. But everything went without it without
a hitch. But like I said, the same thing that
happened to Saddat happened to kydle Nk. So when you
hear him at the end he's saying it, he's like, yeah,
I'm saying it because I knew that that was what

(27:48):
happened to him, So word had got to Saddat.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
But yeah, it was. It was. That was a powerful episode.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Man. Yeah, it's just beginning part of it as you're
hearing the history of Brand Nubian and how they all
got started and everything, and you yeah, you do talk
about him being a teacher, and you did tell us
a funny story about being in front of the kids,
and yeah, that and that end of it just like
it kind of you kind of take that's the takeaway
for me because maybe because I'm older, I think about
that stuff unfortunately too much. And uh, man, it's and

(28:14):
like I said, we got something that had gotten lost,
and I had no idea that that Rings had the
same issue. I knew that he would. You guys had
mentioned this something was wrong with it, but I didn't
know to the extent. So okay, yeah, did it do perform?
Did the are these performances also where they just kind
of interviews and hang out.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
That is the perfect question. And I'm going to tell
you why.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
I'll tell you why because because Kylle Ranks has hit
me up because the next guest was supposed to have
is uh keV Brown and uh, I think he's So
we're supposed to have keV Brown and hold on, I'm
trying to look at this text right, and he's bringing
I think keV Brown is bringing Ken Starr And he
was like, so he was like, Ken starts to perform.

(28:55):
So as I say to all the guests. So the
first we've had four episodes. First guest was mister Lenn.
I said, Lenn, if you want to get on the
tables and DJ your hey, you can do it.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
He didn't want to. Cool.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Second guest we had was Jazz Soon. I asked Jazz
Soon if he wanted to DJ he declined, but he
gave us some impromptu rhymes on stage, which was dope.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
And then I think we had.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Philmost chill for the third episode that said, Phil, if
you want to perform, he's you.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Know, he declined. It was cool.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
We didn't ask to die because he was doing a
show later that evening in Philadelphia. But I think this
might be our first performance with Ken Starr.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
So so to answer your question, we make it available
to the guests if that's what they wanted to do, like,
you know, because we got a little elevated stage, so
if you want to perform, you can, but it's not required.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
We just want to have a great conversation with you.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
That's that's really cool man. So it's not like there's
any pressure put on, like, oh, you got to come
out here, because you know, I think if they're in
the headspace of performing, they might, you know, do the
interview differently. They might feel like they got to rush
through it or they can't just like sit back and
relax and just kind of open up. And I think
that format is probably better. You know, if they want
to perform, you know, go ahead and grab the mic
for a minute. But you don't have to, Okay, I
like that.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
You know, there's some artists who I'm not saying natural performers,
but some just they're always on.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
They just want to perform. Like it's funny.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I don't know if you follow Jazz Soon, but he's
one of those. He's like, Jazz Soon is just super
New York. So like he's just oozing hip hop in
New York. And so he's just up there and he
just starts busting out in these rhymes. He's the's dope
rhymes and he's like and the funny thing is he
just has these rhymes. He's like, yo, I don't even
write rhymes like that. I'm like, dude, you need to

(30:44):
have more. Like I know, you make beats in your DJ,
but put it all together for a couple of you know,
all these project.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
But let what you can do.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Right.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, but he's so dope.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
But but he's just so super New York. So it
just ooze it out. But some people just want want
to sit up there have a nice conversation and you know,
it's it's like, you know, I try not to ask
these people the same questions. I kind of kind of
bring it in perspective because I know not everybody knows
everybody's history, so I got to talk about some brand

(31:17):
Nubian history and things like that to shape it. But
I hopefully I'm going down or going there in different
pathways that are just not the regular. Hey, So you
a great cool and jam and a lamment.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
I try to put a little bit more of what
I know into it to try to jazz it up
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
It's it's it's definitely a balancing act because I mean,
I have that same thing on here. It's like when
I'm interviewing somebody, especially with somebody that's known, and most
people already know who that person is, It's like, or
how much do we go back into the stuff that
everybody already who's listening or came here for they kind
of know this stuff already, or are we doing it
in a new way, like, you know, in a different
manner of telling that story or creating that that moment.

(31:57):
So yeah, it's definitely hard, man. It's it's very easy
just to be like a bunch of bullet points. You know,
this album came out whatever to this album, and you
know Grand Puba and you guys he was on the
second album. Of course we all want to know that,
but some of us heard that story somewhere else before.
So unless he's got a different, different take on it, Yeah,
it might be like do I tell that story again?
Do I bring that up again? And I'm sure sometimes
they don't want to talk about this same stuff all

(32:18):
the time either, they'd rather talk about Maybe somebody wants
to talk about Rod Strickland, like he was talking about basketball.
Maybe he'd rather talk about sports instead of talking about
you know, the third Brand Nubian album or you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, and that's the thing that I think of because
you know, even as far as doing my homework and
being a fan of these people, I watch their interview.
So I'm watching ones and I know what I don't like,
what bores me. So I'm like, if I got to
be on the stage with this person, I have to
do the balancing act of like you said, what is

(32:50):
going to what? How do I introduce this to somebody
who's new, who doesn't have this seasoned about of information
that I have, but still entertain myself too, Like, hey,
I still got to be up here for an hour
and a half, So how am I going to entertain myself, right,
so even and then how.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
Am I going to entertain him?

Speaker 1 (33:09):
So he does, he get many questions about basketball and
sports and stuff. So that's why I threw that stuff in.
I'm like, let's just divert because we can talk the
minutia of you know, in God we trust and all,
you know, One for all and all this stuff.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
But let's, you know, let's let's talk about your life.
Let's talk about some music. Let's you know.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
And when he brought up that story at the end,
I felt he kind of did the guy because he
was comfortable with us, you know.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
So and then there's moments you just want to keep out.
He say, you know what I I gotta know about
you know, I gotta know about God we trust. I
gotta know what happened here, you know, the different versions
of punks jump up. I need to know about that.
And you guys got into it. So as a fan
of like, oh oh, here we go, we're cooking here,
and I always talk about punks jump up. I know
about it, but maybe there's something more that I never
heard before. So there's there's there's there's that part of

(33:54):
it too, you.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Know, man, you know, let me. Let me just say
this real quick.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I'll when I find this episode, I'll send it to you.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
But shout out to my man Overlord Afresh.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
I used to do a podcast before before all this
other stuff. I know, it sounds like I'm doing a
million things, which I do, But I had a podcast
called People's Distinctive Travels and we interviewed Divine Styler, and
I knew like this was the holy Grail of interviews
for Fresh. So when we were sitting there, we're talking

(34:25):
with Divine, I was like, I kind of just let
him go, you know, because I was like, of course, no,
I love Divine Styler, like I love Divine Styler, but
I knew what this meant to him.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Sides like, I let him carry more.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Of the interview great, and I was just and but
it was, you know, I got my stuff in there
because I'm a big Divine fan. But I was like,
but it's so good to see somebody in that zone.
And I was like, all right, bron, just do your thing.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yeah, man, and he and he had so much.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
He had this minutia questions and Divine actually told us
he was like, Yo, this is the best interview I
ever had, and I he.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Was like, oh his mind was there.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
You go man. And and I'm sure Devine Steller appreciated
because he's coming from a place somebody who actually knows
all his stuff. He's he's researched them, or just because
he's a longtime fan. He's asking questions that a long
time fan would ask, as opposed to someone just last night,
just the one on YouTube and watch a bunch of
clips or vine style. Yeah he did stuff at ever
Last or something, you know whatever, Like there's more to

(35:23):
it than that.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
It's like, come on, yeah, it's yeah, because you know,
you know, I was telling him about like, you know,
because everybody has the I mean, he's not saying he's
an obscure artist, but he and he's really not out
there that much, you know, he's kind of in the cuts.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
So the fact that we even got the interview, you know,
was what was a huge thing.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
But you know, but there was, like I said, there
was so much minutia and I actually I got to
tell him on an episode, this is what was I
think I was in I think I was in eleventh
or twelfth now I had to be twelfth grade.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
It was English class and we had to come up
with all these different poems, so we had to have
like a book of poems. So you know, I'm writing
some stuff and I'm like, you know, I'm this is
like do tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
So I'm like what am I going to do?

Speaker 1 (36:10):
And I started thinking, I'm like, well, she doesn't know
about the vine styles. So I took tongue of Labyrinth
eighteen million doors traditional. I took that and wrote that down.
The teacher was like, oh my god, this is wonderful.
You should publish this.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
I'm a little slow down.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Ladies published a problem, like I think.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Bm I is going to start knocking at road. But
I got like an a on that.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
So I got to tell Divine and like thank you
forgetting me In English.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
It was like no problem, no problems.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
But uh yeah, so it's cool to you know, just
little things that happened to me, like when you're such
an uber fan of somebody that you get to tell them.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Oh my god, man, you just took me back. I
don't remember. I don't remember what class this was. It
might have been like some sort of humanities class or something,
but I think it's like an eighth grade or freshman year.
They wanted us to write something like profound on a
piece of paper and put it in like a bucket,
and they would read all of them. And I wrote down,
money is the key to end all your woes. Nobody

(37:11):
knew where I got it from. You're laughing, because you
know what that's from? Money?

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah I didn't.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I didn't finish. I should have put your ups and downs,
your highs and your low I didn't, but I put
that in and the teachers like, oh my god, well
that's that's that's exactly it. So it's about corporates and
I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's corporations and yeah, the money
agreed and every really everything. Yeah I wrote that.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Whoa. You know what's so funny?

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Back then nobody would know, Like, you know, I couldn't
get caught back then. But it's just like there's so
many like things that you hear in rhymes that are
just profound, and it's like, yeah, man, you know, I
love I love the words and putting it all together
and anyway, I guess I'm back to being a rapper.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, yeah, Well, you know it's funny you're speaking of that,
so you know, I want to bring up the chuck
d you know connection here, but you told me that
that this song you did with him on his latest album,
everybody go check it out. First of all, I love
the concept of his album. It's like a podcast, it's
like a radio station. It's it's just like I think
I commented to this on the podcast here in some
other places that it felt like you were like going

(38:20):
through all the radio stations and Chuck Is happens to
be the DJ host of all the stations you go to.
But there's like a different song and a different feature
on there, and you hear the drops and everything. I
just love it, man, It's such a cool idea, and
everybody's got short attention spans, so like all the songs
are like a minute and a half two minutes, so
everything kind of jumps really quickly. But you had said
that your verse on there was the first time you

(38:42):
wrote something in a long time. Tell us the backstory
of that, and of course you can always get into
like how the hell you get a Chuck Da out
on an album?

Speaker 6 (38:50):
Man?

Speaker 3 (38:50):
How you do it? I can't even say it, how
the hell did you do that?

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Oh well, so as we okay, as we said the
show that I'm on, it's Sea Doc again. So just
real quick, I basically was a fan of the show,
like I would watch the show because one time he
was I believe he was interviewing Chill rob G. I
love Chill rob G. So it just came across me exactly.

(39:15):
It came across on Instagram. So I went to go
watch the show, missed the show, but then after every
week after that, I would check in and so I
would always say what's up to them? And they begin
at Jennifer Seed Doc at the time, this guy named
so Chuckified. So I was always be like, you know,
in the comment section, yo, what's up?

Speaker 4 (39:33):
What's up? And so after enough of that, I'm just
they see me, and I wasn't overbearing. I'm not like, hey,
you know, what's up you guys.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
And then I think they heard that I had the
podcast that I did with Fresh People Just Think to Travel.
So they brought me and me and my homeboy Fresh
show on there to talk about the podcast, and so
we were kind of promoting it and then they called it.
They said come back next week because it was like
the end of the year episode, so they just were
having this wrap up, you know. So I came back
for that, and then maybe about seven eight episodes later,

(40:04):
Sea Doc said, Jo that you know this guy Chuck
is leaving, you want to come on? I think, yeah,
I came on. He said come back next week, next week,
next week. So I just became a part of the
show by being a fan. So leading up into the
album was so sea Doc also, he makes beats, he rhymes,
he DJ's, he makes movies, he renaissance man, he does everything,

(40:25):
so he runs record labels. So he was working on
his music and he said, yo, I want you to
rhyme on the song. Because he knew my rapping history,
he said, so, I want you to get on the song.
So in my mind, I'm paying him back for putting
me on the show.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
So I said, all right, so I think we did.
We did this song.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
It's me and him flat line think so I think
Tyrae Tyrade's on the song too, so it's going to
be on his album.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
But then he liked it.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
So then it was like a couple of weeks later
and you got to understand before he I wrote this rhyme,
he kept on asking me to do the song, and
I'm like, lo, bro, I'm fat, I'm over wait. I
got no breath control. I haven't written rounds for twenty years.
But the only reason I did it was to pay
him back for being on the show. So then he
hits me back, Yo, I got another verse. I'm like

(41:11):
the same thing, bro, I'm fat, I'm over wait, I
haven't written the run. He's like, Yo, it's with Chuck d.
I'm like, oh, you need the verse.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Tomorrow, right right right?

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Where's my pen?

Speaker 4 (41:22):
You need five am? What time do you need this?
So when he said the song was going to be
with Chunk, I was like what.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
He's like, yeah, I'm working on this enemy radio album
and he gave me the whole thing, like it's supposed
to be like this radio stations and you're turning and
it's like this, this, this, and he kind of he
told me he was like, think of like Paul's boutique
and a public maybe like Fear of a Black Planet
with how you know, and then even the Bomb Squad production,

(41:51):
but more kind of like Fear of a Black Planet is.
And I was like, okay, and uh so you know,
as I it's funny because I you know, I did
my rhymes send it to him. He was like cool,
and so you don't hear anything back. So I'm like,
Chuck going to use this or whatever?

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Who knows? And I didn't. I wouldn't. I didn't ask him.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
So then he he sent me an early copy of
the album and there my song was there.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
I'm like okay, I'm like okay, I'm next to Chuck.
I'm like, okay, you know, getting a happy crazy yeah, bro.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
I mean, I mean, you know, I mean it's like,
did they even give you like a concept of like
what to write about or was it just come up
with something and we'll just make it fit? Like how
did that part of it go?

Speaker 4 (42:32):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Chuck's rhymes were already there, so I just had to
fill in this small space. So listening to Chuck lyrics
kind of put me in that mode of what I wrote,
and it was like, you know, obviously what Chuck is.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
There's a little bit of politicism. I don't even know
what the word is that a word politicism?

Speaker 3 (42:51):
It is not it is now next verse put it
in there.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
It's my next My next album is gonna be called politicism. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
I want to hear that.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Hey, we're gonna use We're going to use the piece
for this is going to be the intro to album politicism.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
There it is, say it something, but it just put.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Me in the molde, Like listen to his lyrics. You know,
he always has a little bit of that. So I
took some of that and just you don't want to
overdo it. Listen, I'm not Pharaoh Manch.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
You know what I mean. I can't.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
I'm not Eminem, I'm not Pharaoh Manch. And that the
song doesn't even call for that. You just I basically
said to myself, don't overthink this, just say some stuff,
get out of there.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
And it's funny because.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
I not that I'm not saying you have a favorite
not that you have a favorite line, but it always
people always say to me the musty seat. Like when
I said that, se Doc always says that He's like,
oh I love that let line.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
I'm like, I.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Wasn't even golf or anything like that. It was like,
it's what rhyme must see that, but he loves that
that line. And I've had a bunch of people come
up and say that to me. I'm like, wow, it's
always something that you don't think about.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
That's crazy. I mean that's true because I've had you know,
so many artists on here, and they I'll say, Tom
like a song I like, and they're like, that's not
the song that people always ask about, and I'm surprised
that you like that one, or vice versa, like the
song that they thought people would hit, you know, get
you know, connect with is not the one that people
are liking. So the same thing with the verse. You
never know when you're writing a song like that, you
know that what what's going to connect? Right? I mean

(44:29):
you probably man. I had this opening line and the
way ended, it's like, oh, well this one right now.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
I was My thing was what did I say? Look,
you forget your own rhymes?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
I said about the phone, I said, in my pocket,
there's a weapon that I used.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
For information, y'all just use for texting. That was That's
the one. I'm like, okay, all right, that's deep.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
That's thing.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm being deep. And they
like they talk about the musty.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Seat, probably because like, yeah, we all are guilty that
next you know what you what I heard is what
you said here, which I can't relate to or I
do know about, but it's not me.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, yeah, it just it is funny it took I
guess it takes people back because I guess when I
used to be on a bus and I don't know
what this was for you, but there was always this
like one seat maybe this girl had the cooties and
this got it like and and that was the seat,
like the third row seated, that's the seat.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
That's the musty seat. So that's what I was thinking of.
So maybe that happens to everybody. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
It's right. I'm in the Chicago area here, your CTA.
Our buses are trains. There's always you know, there's a
spot you can tell and you know we're not to.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Go, you know, you know where the musty sea.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah, man, changed cars at the next stop is usually
what I have to do. You know, some guy's gonna
cut it's cut his toenails today on the train. All right,
next stop we get off and get on the next
car and hopefully to be better. Oh because I don't
like feet. Oh wait, hold on, I don't want to
open up that can of worms. But yeah, man, but

(46:04):
yeh man, no, no doubt man that the Chuck deverse
just man salute. I mean, that's that's got to be
like one of the biggest thrills of your I'd say
your hip hop career, right your hip hop life, you know,
to say that, you could just always say, look look
at this, I'm here right here, right after Chuck.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Here's here's the crazy thing. And this is how I
put it.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
The very first record that I bought with my own money,
not you know, not somebody bought it for me, but
at my own money. The first twelve inch I bought
was I Need a Beat by l O COOLJ on
Depth Jam.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
And so to have that, so many years later, I
got a record on Depth Jam and I'm like, Yo,
that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
That's the thing that bugs me out. It's like, Yo,
I have vinyl on.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Depth Jam Full Circle. It's without ever actually going to
Death Jam offices or you know, hanging out with you know,
Russell or Rick or whatever. Yeah, man, you actually have that. Man,
I can't even put that in the words. That's pretty crazy.
That's pretty crazy.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
It's you know, and here here's the crazy thing.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Like this is stuff like you wouldn't know about the album,
but it was supposed to come out on Spit Slam,
so it was Chuck's label.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
So at first, you know, when Sea.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Doc did it, because I have a different version of
the album and so he had he was like okay.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
I was like, oh, this is dope. I like it.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
And he was like, yo, Chuck really really likes the
album and he's thinking about taking it to death Jam.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
I'm like, so you know, once you get.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Into that that you know, major label machine, then it
takes longer. So they put it in that machine and
like yo, and then it's like, we got to clear
some of these samples that you got, so they basically
came with the number. But uh, the genius of Sea
Doc he figured it away. I'm not going to get
into that se Doc figured it out and shout out

(47:53):
to em Rock because he helped with the project too.
But those guys really put something together that it's funny
of me, as I tell him. I told him when
it first when I first heard it, I'm like, dude,
you're a genius, I said. I said, the sound that
you have on this record, people don't do anymore. So
I said to somebody like, so for you, you remember

(48:14):
this sound, so it's like, oh, it's a return to it,
but maybe a little slight different thing. But for somebody
who hasn't heard this it's a new sound to them,
because people don't, you know, because a lot of people
may not go back and listen to Fear of a
Black Planet to Paul's boutiques and know that there were
so many slight switching changes with records or like a

(48:35):
Son of a Zerk record, like it almost sounds like
a change.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Of style, like.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah, man, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
So I just told him, I said, Yo, you did
a great job with this man, and to bring back
this sound or a new sound whatever it is to
hip hop.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
I think, you know, I was very proud of him.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
What's old is news sometimes, man, I mean you know absolutely.
I mean if if you're young and you never heard
these things, as far as you know, they are new, right,
so of course, and then that would fit. And you
know what's crazy is like, so that album was on
deaf Jam. Then Public Enemy actually has an album come
out like a month later, and I got it on
band camp. I don't even know the label, to be honest,
because I just gave it the five bucks or whatever

(49:15):
on band camp and just have it on my app.
But I don't even know if that's considered a deaf
Jam release or if that's whatever.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
I know.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
He moved it out there for the fans, and it
was like basically a free album in a sense. So
that's what flips it to me. It flips on its
head like Public Enemy's got an album that's not on deaf Jam,
but Chuck does. So there you go.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah, he they just put that out there for the fans,
and uh, that's like independent. But I think I think
Doc they're gonna they're doing some vinyl. I think he
just got the test press back for that.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Yeah, I did see that. I need to get on
there because I forgot to. When I did the band
camp thing, I saw there was an option to get vinyl,
and I got lazy and I just I just wanted
to hear the album. I didn't get to the vinyl
three order.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Man. Oh, well, we'll see if we can cook you up.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Oh, don't even trip, all right.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
I'll talk this and listen. I'll try to talk to
Sea Docs see what we can do.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Man, salute the Sea Doc man. And uh, I just
started following him on Instagram too, and he's doing something
that I can't believe I never thought of. He's I'm
assuming it's his son, right, his kids holding records in
all the pictures. Yes, yes, I have a six year
old daughter, and whenever I post pictures of her, all
the likes, all the comments. When I post my shit,

(50:26):
nobody cares. And I was thinking, like, man, I need
to post some pictures with you know, the podcast with
her or maybe people will care. Yeah, And I was like, oh,
he's genius. He's combining his his family with hip hop.
That's ah, It's so simple. And I was like, man,
I am why didn't I think of that?

Speaker 4 (50:44):
You know what's funny.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
That's how I discovered him because when he was promoting
the show, I would see him on there with pictures
with his son Davy, with his son Rocco, and that's
really what caught my eye, Like, Okay, this guy's here
with his kids, and I think I don't know how
old Rocco was then at the time, but Rocco's the
younger one, and he always been like, it's see Doc again,

(51:05):
and it was like it was just cute. So yeah,
he listen, it got me on a Chuck d record.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
That's that's what's up.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
That's that that's the that's really the backstory at all this, right.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Listen him him and his son saying it Sea Doc
again got me on a Chuck d record.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
That's awesome, man, And I had uh Andy Katz on
hear if you're familiar with him, who who does a
lot of the bios about you know, where a lot
of the famous pictures are taken, you know, like the
Glenn Friedman stuff, and he's worked with Chuck in the
past and some stuff. And uh, just him telling me
all this travels and just the sights he's seen. And
that's what I love about doing this podcast. Man. I
know you're you're in the same same boat here, is

(51:47):
that you run into people that you never heard of
before and then you that you go down that rabbit
hole on YouTube or somebody doesn't post on Instagram or something,
and like that's how you know, basically found your stuff.
I'm like, wow, man, this guy's doing some cool ship
with with culture clips. Like I had no idea. I mean,
I knew it. It's one of the heast like I
should have known to do this. I like wrestling white
and I not do this before. What's wrong with me?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Well, it's it's you know, it's so it's so you
know the crazy thing with that is is now I
get asked like artists asked me to do, like I
get paid for.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
It, Like, oh that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
That's what I will give you. A full circle moment.
So when I I so I wrapped.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
We talked about this online offline, but I rapped professionally
with the Princess Superstar. And this is back in the
two thousand and one, two thousand and twos, and she
had a big hit in the UK called Bad Babysitter
and it was produced by the High and Mighty, So
it was Mighty Mind did the beat and mister Eon

(52:51):
ryme on it. And so you know, obviously you can't
take you don't take the people you do songs with
on tour.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
So so I was I.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Was filling in that part of Eons. I would do
EON's rhymes. So now fast forward, they just dropped their
new album. I did one of the videos for their
rollout for that album, a song they did with chub
Rock called It's Dope because it's a song they did
with chub Rock and it's called funkal Mark and it's

(53:20):
a record store because they're from Philly, and I grew
up right across the bridge from Philly and Jersey. Like
fifteen minutes away, so it's a record store. We both
frequented to have that full circle moment.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
I'm like, oh, this is crazy man.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
And they give you an idea, like the concept of
what they wanted or was it just free reign do
what you do? You know, you're the artist here, you create,
or what was the concept behind it?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
It was it was basically kind of do what you do.
But they had a couple pieces they want to throw in, like,
you know, a couple things of Eon Rayman or Milo scratching,
but basically kind of do what you do, which is,
you know, I try to what I tried to bring
what the person is saying to life. So if it's

(54:02):
if you're rhyming, it's like, yo, I threw this guy
down a flight of steps, I'm usually gonna have somebody.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
So when a guy down, there's.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
A movie clip somewhere that has that.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah, but yeah, you know, but I try to keep
it linear, like I don't like to have it like
one's a cartoon, the next ones different strokes, and the
next ones.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Facts of life.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Like I try to keep all the characters kind of
together the best I can.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
But yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Think they they so you know I handed in like
the first version. I think they said just sprinkle a
little more of us in there, and that was it.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Like they were easy to work with.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
That thing is I'm super huge fans of those guys.
I was telling, Uh, I don't know, are you a
High Mighty fan?

Speaker 4 (54:47):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Yeah, man, I definitely. You know B Boy document all
that you know back in the day used to play that.
I mean, i haven't heard anything from him in a minute,
so I'm feeling like I'm missing out that you're telling
me that there's a video, and so it means there's
new music, which means I need to get on to
to hang up with you. I need need to get
on hearing this stuff.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Let me tell you what they did that nobody does.
And they continue the tradition. They do a DJ song,
so there's always they always.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Have a DJ song. So they have a new DJ
song on this album. Like, Oh, I was like, God,
bless you guys. It's like that you're continuing this tradition
that you still do this.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Oh it's a Oh it's a it's a It's a
great album. It sounds they haven't lost the step. It's like, Okay,
this is what High and Mighty record should sound like
in twenty twenty five, they haven't met the step.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
That's perfect man. You know for old heads like us,
you know who remever them, you know, from fifteen, twenty
twenty five years ago. Of course, you know, we don't
want it to sound like you know, drill music or
so you know what we heard him doing something else.
So yeah, if it sounds like I'm mighty, let's get
on it. Let's let's hear it.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Right, Yeah, it sounds it sounds like them, It doesn't
sound like anything else.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
I'm like, okay, this.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Is perfect man. And speaking of music, thanks for sending
me you know, the Princess superstar stuff, you know, because
I've only very very vague, you know, idea of who
she is. But I'm actually like getting like a little
more of an idea, like how dope she is? Like
I don't I don't feel like people talk about her
too much and talk about how you got connected with her.
I mean, I know there's a lot of stuff there,

(56:14):
but this is a great story. Oh here we go,
all right, So.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Uh see, I always I'm sorry if I do this.
I always got to go back a little bit to
bring you up to speed.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
You got to put it in context, man, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Yeah, I gotta put it in context.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
So I was, you know, I started wrapping in high school.
Then I go to college. I'm still there, you know,
wrapping in college with people. And then out of school,
I was friends with this guy named Big Jim Slave,
and so I would go to Slave's house.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
We would work on demos and and things like that.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
So one day we were at his house, uh in
West Philly, and we were going down to South Street,
and you know, it's big street in Philly, a.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
Lot of shops and everything.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
There was a big tower record and this is uh,
this is kind of before I had a cell phone.
So I would read a lot of magazines and know
different CDs and tapes and albums that I wanted to get.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
So I remember seeing Princess Superstar.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Now. I saw it in one of the magazines and
it caught my eye for a couple of things.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Number one, she's on the cover.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
She's painted gold from head to toe in a bikini
and like high heels walking down this Manhattan street.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
And you know, I'm like, okay, I caught my mine.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
But then also she was a white female MC and
I couldn't think of any other white female.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
You could take your one hand and you you would
not finish all your fingers on that hand.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Yeah, I could remember.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
There was Tarry Be and I remember and then I
remember this one lady that on heard one song called
the Natural. That was it, and I the Natural was
like a flash in the pan. I don't remember anybody else.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
So I was like, I.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Gotta get this just to hear what she's what she's
talking about. So I bought the I bought the CD.
We took it back my buddy's house and listened to it.
We were like, Yo, this is kind of dope. We
like this, and he was like, YO, she's kind of different.
We should send her our music. So we had demos
we were working on. I'm like, all right, whatever you
want to do. So he sent her a package of
music that we had and she responded.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
She was like, YO, thanks for sending it.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
She was like, and she had her own record label,
but she was like, thank you, but my label is
really a vehicle to get me off the ground. I'm
not really signing acts. But she's like, I'm working on
a new album. If you you know, so listening beats
if you got anything you know you want to send.
So he sent us some beats and she was like, oh,
I want.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
To use this. So this this.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
So he was telling me like, yo, I'm going up
to New York to track the song. I was like, well,
I'm going with you, and I tell this this. This
may sound crazy, and this is what I had.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
I had this.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
She had done this song called MTV Get Off the
Airpart two with Paul Barman, and I love this song.
I had wanted to do a song with her where
we were going back and forth, but I wanted to
do it where we were going back and forth and
we were battling per rapper the rapper. Now, I don't
know the logistics of how we were going to do.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
This, but this is what.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Good luck with that.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
I don't know how we were going to do.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
It or whatever, but this is just this this grand
eos idea had in my mind.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
So I went with him.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
We went up to New York and you know, he's
tracking a song and she and I just hit it off.
We just became friends, like hey, hey, this we're talking all.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
This music stuff.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
And you know, it was her and Curtis Curtis who
I'm still friends with That was her engineer producer. So
they're working on that, me and her just talking, and
then she's like, yo, I got this song. I need
a hook on it. You think he could come up
some honk And I'm like all right. So I'm like,
I'm like, stand on, hands off, Princell. You know, I
think of something and I'm like all right, Yeah. She's

(59:54):
like all right, we'll go in there and say it.
So I say that and do that. Then I go
to my buddy, you know, after we're finally leaving.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
We did everything. I'm like, yo, we both got placements
on this album. That's crazy. Like we just met her.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
And so so she and I just maintained our friendship.
Like I said, I live, I live in Jersey. She
was in Manhattan at the time. I would come up
hang out with her. She used to have these parakeets.
So we just hang out, eat pizza, talk rhyme's music.
And then so she's working on her album. She's working
on this Princess superstar Is album. So she's like, yeah,
she's telling me, I got cool Keith on it. Cool

(01:00:27):
Key's my favorite rappers. I'm like, okay, So she's got
cool keeps She's got High and Mighty, Jay Zone, Bahamadia,
all these different people that she has on the album,
and I'm like, oh, this is dope. And then you know,
when the album's done, she's you know, she's telling me
rhyme kicking, rhyme's over the phone to me. And then
when it's finally done, she was like, Yo, do you

(01:00:49):
want to go on toward me? Because I'm going to
toward this album. She's like, do you want to do
all their part?

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Oh? Man, I'm like yeah, So this is what's very interesting.
So I'm like, yeah, so I had to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
She was doing a show showcase for her label, which
was a German label, So we're rehearsing. We do this
showcase for this German label, her label K seven Rapster.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Everything's good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
So next we're going to go and do like this
European tour, like this UK tour. But guess so we're
in uh Manhattan practicing on nine ten.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
We know what happened on nine to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
So luckily I got out of Manhattan on the temph
like I went home because she even told me that
you can stay at my crib because we went late
into rehearsing. But I was like, now I got to
go to work tomorrow. Luckily I went home. She got
caught up a bunch of that, but she's out of
She was okay, but we had to Our tour was
to start in October. So this is like a month later.
We're getting on the flight and people were, you know,

(01:01:52):
we're scared to get.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
The same as it was right before, not the same.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
So we fly, you know, we fly over there, we
go to the UK to do do the show, but
a lot of the shows got canceled, so we only
did like a few shows.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
So let's just say I was supposed to make.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
A whole bunch of money and these shows got cancers.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
So I made a whole little bunch of money.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Yeah, and I had finagled a way to get out
of my job for like a month, and so after
that I kind of I told her, I said, yeah,
I gotta quit this band. Man, I can't really do this,
I said, because it's it's not stable.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
So I quit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
No sooner than I quit because Bad Babysitter becoming hit
and we're talking, you know how run says, We're talking
champagne autographs.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
So Larry put her aside the Cadillact.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
To show no Cadillac for you though.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Well, here's the interesting thing. So I'm still paying attention.
I'm happy for my friend. I'm watching her from a
farm like wow, I'm like number one, I'm happy for
my friend, but number two them you dummy. But the
guy who replaced me, he was kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
There doing his own thing. He made music.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
He's selling his own stuff and trying to promote himself
while he's on tour with her. So she called me
up one day and she was like, wod you ever
think about coming back? I was like, I put him
in two weeks, uh tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
I never left.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
So Larry put me inside the care you go.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Then there was one more spot that's spot back off
the musty Sea. Is there for you?

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Yeah? Bro?

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
That was nuts, man.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Bro. We did so many uh dude that we played Coachella,
like the main stage I did. We did.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
I remember we did this festival out and I don't
remember country was like we we did a show with
with David Bowie.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
I mean, obviously he's the headliner, but it was this
big festival. I'm like, I can put that, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
I met like no doubt and because this song was
like huge, Like listen, it was so crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
This song was so huge. But then we come back
the United States and ma get booed in Central Park.
But I'm like, we were stars would.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Be so over there, you know, they were loving it.
That over here was just kind of a shoulder shrug.
You're saying not not not the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Bro, Don't I put it this way, don't ever play
Central Park summer stage with You're on the same bill
with Pharrell bust around the clips? Did he might make
an appearance, but this is a free show. It's a
free show, so they didn't come there to see Princess Superstar.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
They came here to see all those people.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
So when we were out there, they're kind of like,
all right, y'all done, We want.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
You want to see the clips because this is when
grinding is like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Oh so it's huge. You're talking like two and four
or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Yeah, yeah, so he's and this is when they're all together.
So this is all star Trek.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
They're going to bring out Kalis, they might do past
the Cavasia, Like this is huge.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
It's like, are you guys done here playing around?

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Yeah, we want to hear touch it. We want to
touch it. Yeah, exactly, hell out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
But I was given I was getting free food. I
was in the Cadillac with Larry. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Man, oh man, we want the free show that we
paid for to be better. I'm starting right now, and
you guys a gotta go on stage.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Yeah, that's crazy. Man. Hey, you know, and you know
how that is. Man, It's just it's different right over there.
It's a whole different vibe than over here. I feel like,
matter of fat this conversations. So many times American culture
is very disposable and forgettable, and a lot of times
we don't we don't appreciate what's happening now and appreciate
what happened before, and it's just what's the next thing,
what's the next thing, what's the next thing? Hopefully a

(01:05:36):
couple of people were digging what you guys are doing,
and that's all that matters.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
No, it's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
We always it was like we always had our fans,
so like our fans were up in the front, but
like being at a free show in Central Yeah, it
was like, all right, we got this section of people,
but they were like you could see back like I
was parallel with people in these bleacher seats, so I
could see them straight without happening, and I could see
the figures like all right, buddy, they're moving like the

(01:06:03):
Sandman's coming, like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
He came home from Harlow to kick you off the stage.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
But I understood what it was. They didn't, you know,
they didn't listen. We we just did festivals, thousands of people.
But like you said, it's it's very Uh. I always
tell people about that, and because I witnessed it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
You know, obviously you've heard it you or you've seen it.
You witnessed it. Like it's a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Very different feel like overseas, because the way I feel
it is because we're spoiled.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
It's like, oh I rap.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Yeah, my buddies rap, but these and obviously they rap
over there also. But a lot of these artists they
don't get to see regularly, like you know, you could
be walking down the street and see cool keif these
they only get to see cool keif you know, once
every couple of years. Yeah, so they don't see these
artists as regularly as we do. So and it's like

(01:06:54):
when they come over here, it's like, oh, this is great.
And I try to tell a lot of friends and
people that do music. I'm like, bro, if you got stuff,
put it out and let them know, like these people
will welcome you with open arms.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Have shows ready listen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
I don't know if you remember the song I'm Ready
to Penetrate by Sugar Bear. But he you know, he
became a friend of mine just by doing this podcasting. Actually,
I actually it was even crazy. I did videos of him,
like the mashup. Next thing, I know, we had him
on our podcast. Next thing I know, he's on it's
Sea Doc again, and I told him, I said, tell

(01:07:29):
Sea Doc you have your unreleased demos and he'll put
him out.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
He's like, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Next thing I know, he puts out a record ons
Pitsland and now he's being called by some guy in
Spain to perform at his party. I'm like, bro, you've
been sitting on these so it's crazy, man.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
So it bro, you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Just it just takes that little little something man just
to take something door to crack open and then flew
to Sea Doc for doing that too, and then you know,
getting it, getting that going. And man, I was just
going back to the beginning of this what you're talking about.
You know, you had to quit and all those shows
got canceled and everything. I can't even think of all
the countries you probably were looking forward to going to,

(01:08:07):
or cities that you did not end up going to,
or maybe you did because you kind of got a
reset there. It was like the second life of doing
stuff again. But man, there's probably a tour map you had.
It was all set up, and it's like, oh man,
this just got ripped in half.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
No, you know what it was?

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
No, actually, and probably I saw more places on the
on the back end of it, you know, the second
birth because.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
The song blew up and you guys had like it
was a name now, wasn't just some some person?

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Yeah, dude, I will tell you the scariest be the
scariest before I was talking to those kids at that
school was we were in Canada.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
And it was like you remember you remember a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
TRL that used to be an MTV Oh right, yeah, yeah,
So there was like a Canadian TRL. So we were
in this studio with all these kids, like you know,
like Princess Superstar here.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
When I looked at the camera because I'm like, something
went off in my head, like, oh, this camera is
going out to millions of people and something just hit me.
I'm like, I was such like we're started performing. I
think I forgot my rhymes the first couple of bars.
I'm like, oroh, I was just taking aback, like, oh,
this is going out to the world. So I've never

(01:09:20):
I haven't seen that performance again. I don't know if
it's out there somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
It's probably I would love to see that to be like,
I know, I was shook action I was shooting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
I didn't know there was a Canadian verse who's hosting it?
Like Alan Thick, Like I tried to get like two
Canadian stars who would have been hosting it?

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
Bro anybody but bar Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Yeah, you put me onto him yesterday And I didn't
even know who this guy was. Now I kind of
know he's like the where's Waldo Right of Interviews or something?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
So, oh, yeah, he's he's a nut.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Yeah, you've had interactions with him, I'm guessing in person.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Yeah, this was we we were doing the show in
Vancouver and this guy just pops out with this tartan
outfit that little Bobby had and his whole look and his.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Voice is like it sounded like a woman's hell. Princess Superstar.
I'm like, who is this guy?

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
And he starts if you've ever seen any of his videos,
He's just starts pulling out the most obscure stuff and
You're like, what does.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
This guy work for? The fence? Like how does he
know all this stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
And the funny thing is this is twenty five years ago,
so I didn't know, we didn't know who he was.
I think at the time this was probably more like
a Canadian thing, like a Vancouver thing. And as years
went along, I'm like, wait, why do I know that guy?

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
Why did I know that guy? And it hit me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
I'm like, oh, we talked to this guy like twenty
five years ago. So it bugs me out when I see, like,
you know, he's got interviews with like jay Z, Tyland
creator and Pharrell Mauch, like all these different people, and
I'm like, wow, this is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
He found a niche right, I Mean, it's kind of
like goes back to the beginning of you know, when
he came on here. It's like you found a lane.
He found his He's weird though, he looks like a goof,
but for whatever reason, I mean, people are just gravitating
to this guy and they want to talk to him
because he's so out there, and I guess I got
to start looking up some interviews with him. I mean,
it's it's just I googled him when he told me

(01:11:16):
about him, Like, what's a what's a nerd? What does
that even mean? Is that a brand? Is that? Is
it a person? And I looked it up, like, oh, okay,
this guy looks like Burswoldo or something. I don't know
what this guy's doing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
But I think I praised you for not being brainwashed
into all this stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
So like you, you still remain pure, You're still.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Oh good, thank you. Well that's the only thing I'm
pure with. Everything else is tainted.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Man. Yeah, it's like you know, sometimes I maybe I
wish I didn't know no man.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Man, But the speaking of a kind of a small world,
you had mentioned that you know Kevin Beacham who's been
on his podcast before, shout out to him that you
you have some some back back history with him a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
You know what's so crazy, Listen, I did not know
this is how this this is a weird story.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
Kevin.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
I think he must have followed my page and liked
some of my stuff, and I think he probably inboxed me,
and he had said something about doing something for rhyme
sayers like I think they were trying to put out
some old videos or old songs and thinking of a
new way to do them. And there was a song

(01:12:30):
I think by Abstract Rude that he wanted me to do.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
So he had contacted me. It was almost like a
year prior, I think, and then there was just.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
No contacting, you know, whatever, And then it came up
again and he was like, yeah, I think we're going
to do this whatever. But initially when we first started talking,
I remember I was driving in the car and I
was listening to vast Airs album and he had Kevin
had just contacted me, like within the past half an hour.
So I'm listening to vast Airs album and he shouted

(01:13:01):
out this guy named Kevin Beach and I said, So,
when next time I took to Kevin, I said.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
I said, Yo, I really don't know who you are,
but are you the same guy that vast Air shot
at he's a cad. I'm like, yo, this is.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Great way to know who are you? Now.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
I was like, how did the universe work? Like this?
How the universe work?

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
And yeah, so Kevin reached out obviously, and then we
you know, I did this video.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
I don't even know if it's out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
I don't know, I know, abstract rude like inboxed me
the other day.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
I said thank you, and so I didn't even ask him.
I'm like, I'm gonna be like, is it out yet?

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
But yeah, but it's just, uh, I tell you, this
hip hop world is small, man.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
It's like it is, man, Yeah, you know, I put
it this way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
It's small when you're working with good people, like the
good people, like you know, it's big when you got
all these clowns, but when you're working.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
With the good people. Yeah, that's a good way to
put it, you know, because there's so many connections and
you're just hearing you tell all these stories and everything,
like how you ended up here and there and just
like this a small little circumstance, you know, and then
there's like this connection, that connection, and you're right, it
is kind of like a like a small community in
a larger scale, if that makes any sense. And man,

(01:14:13):
that that's that's why we all love hip hop music
and culture. Man, that's why we're all in tune with it.
And that's why I do this podcast. That's why you
do what you do, and we'll keep doing it, man,
because even if new music is not exactly grabbing me,
which it is, though, I don't want to be that
old guy like I said before, but there's always I
think when you do your videos, your style probably works
too because it's kind of timeless, even though using a
lot of older clips and stuff. But I feel like

(01:14:34):
I couldn't tell a video you made yesterday it was
from ten years ago if it's got that same kind
of style, right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
So you know what's so crazy? I don't know. I
guess this is a compliment. I just did Scratch Bring
It Back Part two with the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
EPMD, and basically all I did was use the Big Payback,
you know, the video from EMD to Big pay right.
And then somebody was like, oh, I didn't know they
did a video for this one. I'm like, bro, you
follow my page every day, you know what I do.
But I guess it was so seamless to him that
he thought it was work.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
So that made me feel good.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Like, wow, that's actually a better way what I was
trying to say exactly, you're making something new out of
something old, and it's kind of new at the same time,
and man, I was just bugging out how there was
like a day Las soul video for Oodles and Oodles,
you know, I mean I was like, whoa, how do
they have a video for this? Like this crazy? And
it's like a song from and Nice and Smooth did
this two years ago? Yeah, yep, what's the name of

(01:15:29):
that track? Where they sample prints no delaying? That's it.
And it's like, wait a minute, they look like how
they look now, but this song is from eighty nine,
Like this is crazy. I love it. That's how you
do it, man, you know, whether it's your clips like
you do it or the old school cats. You know,
Ella Coolja has a video for rock the Bells, but
he's not in it, but it's kind of cool how

(01:15:50):
they did it. It's like a black and white thing,
like a bunch of people just you know, doing the lyrics.
Just bring back that old stuff, man, because a lot
of us old heads, you know, maybe they didn't make
videos as much back then. Great songs and like I
would love a lotty dotty video, damn it. But you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Know what's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
The way that I started doing these videos was I
used to do them as exactly a mashup.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
So let's say.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
You s brought up L So let's take ll cool
Ja's I'm Bad and Chub rocks You're Bad Chubs and
obviously you know the choruses like that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
So I would take ll cool Jay's video up.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
To that part and cut it right when it goes uh,
and then go in the Chubs video.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
So I used to do that and people used to
like it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
But then I said to myself, I'm going to run
out of material because all these songs that may have
these common bridges, they all don't have videos, so I'm
going to run out of them. So what I said was,
you know, a friend of mine was saying, Yo, there's
a lot of pop culture.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
References and songs and things like this. So I started
thinking that. I said, I's just make my own videos.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
So part of what you like what you're saying is
there's videos that I wanted to see as a kid,
and now I get to make them or just my
vision of what I think this thing is right. So
and then I know Chuck d is big on this.
He's telling all these artists like, you got all these songs,
do the videos now, Like who cares? Like you know,

(01:17:20):
so they do songs for their back catalog and just
like you said, nice and smooth, and there's all these
people that have these old songs. Nobody knows, especially if
it's going to these younger kids. They don't know if
this song is new old at the time, yes we know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
I was playing the Daylight Joint where they had like
you know in the video they have the the pop
up shop for for donuts and stuff. And you know,
my daughter is around. She knows who Daylight is. You know,
I'm raising it right. She knows what Daylight is and
she has no idea that's you know old. Well, the
song is old, the video's not old, but as far
as she knows that was, that's a brand new song,
brand new everything. So that's what's great, man. Keep. I

(01:18:01):
would love for these old artists to do that because
as long as you're still here and able to do stuff,
I would love to see a lot more of that
because I think that's and what you do is another
way to supplement it. You know, if they don't want
to actually be in a video, fine, let's get some
clips and let's do something and make it creative and
do something fun.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
With it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
It's just about you know, I want to get your
take on this, Like, how do you feel about like
you were just saying about hip hop being disposable, Yeah,
this type of thing, like I feel like we don't
celebrate what we do enough.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
Like oh, man, you know, I hear these people saying, oh,
you're old, you should wrap them on. Like nobody's telling
the Rolling Stones they need to quit.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Ozzie just went out right, he like performed it out there.
He's like, I'm done, Like literally, I'm done. Yeah yeah man, And.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
People are like, like, we're over here and hip hop
telling these guys you're bro, you're you're thirty two, you need.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Thirty You should be thinking about retirement. Arp card Red, man,
what do you want? You're turning something put out music,
But I do.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
I was been talking about this for years. I see
the renaissance coming full bro. I saw this and I
see it in full It's it's like Stet's of Sonic
second album.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
It's in full gear. I could see.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Yeah, man, I mean think about like, just in the
last couple of years, Slick Rick put out an album, right,
you know. Of course you talked about Chuck earlier and
you know Common and Pete Rock put something out together.
Ghost Face is another supreme clientele coming out. And some
of these artists I'm naming are not exactly like slick
Rick is from a different generation and ghost Face, But
to young kids, they're both old as heck, so they
don't care. But man, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Listen, I just brought up stats of Sognic, Like they
just put out an album on Spitzland, the first that's
the first stats of the Sonic album thirty years.

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
Man, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Has it really been thirty years since it album? Man?

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Yeah, because that the third album was nineteen ninety one,
So like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
What that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
There's a lot of years. It's a lot of a
lot of years. But yeah, But getting back to what
you were saying, I feel like, especially the twenty twenty
three with fifty years of hip hop, I feel like
a lot of it kind of rejuvenated a lot of
not just the culture, but I think a lot of
the older artists. And I went to that tour here
in Chicago and it was like LLL Rock Him and
Douget Fresh and slick Rick Common who I'm forgetting somebody

(01:20:24):
is on that stage and it's like watching all this
like just history in front of me. It's just I've
seen all these acts before, but not altogether at the
same time. And I was like, man's got a new
album coming out, This is crazy, you know, rock him
just dropped something. And you know, of course it's never
gonna be the same as it was in eighty six,
eighty seven, eight, whatever. But man, just we gotta we
gotta cherish and and I don't have to say it.

(01:20:46):
Just keep keep these older artists, you know, if they
want to work, I want to watch it. If they
want to put something out, I want to hear it.
And I would never tell somebody to stop making music
if that's in their heart. And I can't relate to
the rock and roll stuff, I don't. I don't really
care about the rollings zones. If they want to perform,
still let them perform. Whatever those dudes are like in
their eighties, good for them. I want to see Chuck

(01:21:06):
perform when he's eighty five, if he's able to. I
want to see Big Daddy Kane if you can still
jump over scoop and scrap when he's in the seventies,
Man do that shit.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
Yeah, but it's just weird to me. It's like it's
I always say this to people. I felt with like
hip hop, we were sold a bill of good that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
When we got to like our thirties, we were like,
especially for me, like I was supposed to listen to
the R and B or something like it was supposed to.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Just oh, you're supposed to switch, right, yeah, when he
got to yeah, a more sophisticated age. Right, you're holding
up a class of champagne and listening to like Luther
Vandrals or something, and yeah, like, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
It was supposed to be some switch.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
And I think that that because the music we are
living in real time and everything was new, I think
people believe that. So when you would have the new rappers,
like even with the whole thing with the you know,
with kids maybe doing now with trap and mumble rap
and all that type of stuff, I felt that especially
with you would get an album or hear a new

(01:22:02):
song from somebody or I'm not saying he did this,
but say there's a new Big Daddy Kane song.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
It's like it's over Trappe and I'm like, Kan, I
don't want to hear this. I don't want to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
You do this, but now I feel like, you know,
you don't have to do that. And I think that
they were competing for the same space as kids, and
like no, like when you hear that Slick Rick album,
like this sounds like Rick, Like I'm happy, like this
is great. So you're competing in your own space. And

(01:22:32):
maybe it took us this long to figure that out.
I don't know what it is. Some people like listen,
Chuck knew it all along. They've never stopped making music,
so he knew it all along. But to get everybody
else to this point, and it's it's been great to
see all these you know, like I said, like you said,
you know, like drop one, ll drop one, Kuarame's coming soon, clips,

(01:22:54):
just drop something.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
You know, I don't forget there's so many yeah artists
from that.

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
I mean not to put NAS in this category, but
Nas dropped six albums in two years. Yeah, and he's
just premiere find the thing people have been crying about
for thirty years were finally getting so you know, hey,
there's nothing to complain about, you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
And I really feel like I'm really happy for NAS
and thankful for NAS because with that mass appeal thing
like a lot of those records like that Slick Rick
Wanners do Mass Appeal.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
It's a Mob Deep one. He's right, that's coming out
on there too.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Mob Deep's come in that the the Ghost Face and
the Ray Kwan both are through mass Appeal.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
It's like it's like seven albums.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
And then you said the one with him in premiere
and uh, it's like it's like a it's like seven
albums that are all coming. But the fact that he's
doing this that we have somebody you know, listen, we
got Nas on the top who everybody knows he's doing this.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
You got ll with Rock the Beells and what he's doing.
You got Chuck d over here.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
He's he's dropping new stuff, he's got a magazine that's
coming and all this type of stuff. And it's like,
this is what we need from the elder statesman now,
not just hiding and hiding your hand.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
This is what we need.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
And hopefully it lights a fire under or maybe motivates
somebody older cats and maybe are kind of reluctant to
come out. You know, yeah, I don't. I don't want
to say this as an exact example, but when I
see Rock Himpuin stuff out I'm like, man, I want
to rock him. Just seeing all this and like, man,
I got what am I doing? Let me get let
me get out there. I don't want to say that that.
I don't want to speak for him. I'm just thinking
like he's one that popped out my brain. I was

(01:24:24):
like for years, I'm like I need a new rock him. Man,
I need a new rock him. And now he's putting
stuff out again. I was like, okay, cool. I wonder
if it's because other older artists and putting stuff out,
or maybe he just felt like this is the right time.
I'll never know. They answered it at and unlet's see
it comes on here, but uh, you know, but I'm
just using him as an example, like I love to
see all these older artists come out, and man, even
if it's just doing tours, you got a catalog for days.

(01:24:47):
You don't have to make new music. Man, I had
cool rock Ski on here. We were talking about there
was a thought of maybe the Fat Boys doing some
before Mark passed that they're big doing like the Show
or something, and I was like, man, you guys got
a catalog. You don't have to worry about trying to
make new music or anything, Just do those those songs
that we all grew up on and we want to hear.
And that's all that, that's all we want to hear. Man,
that's enough for me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Well, you know that resonates with what you're just saying.
Is when I was listening to the episode you did
with Chill Will and he was saying how chub Rock
was down, and he's the one that said, Yo, these
people want to hear this, and he booked them. And
now you see chub Rock all over the place, right like,
see these people want to hear this music.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Yeah, we're not going anywhere. I mean, we're here. I'm
not listening to you know Drake. I mean no, I
don't even know who to say. I don't know who's
the top. I don't have no idea, right whatever, whatever
the person's name is. I mean, and no disrespect, do
your thing, but I'm happy over here. You guys do
your thing over there, and yeah, man, it's it's we

(01:25:47):
can talk about this stuff all day, but let heads
know first of all, where they could find you and
all this stuff you do. I mean, you got two
podcasts and maybe there's another podcast. I forgot to mention,
but you got so much stuff that you're doing. I
know this stuff on you to let let's heads know
where the can follow you on Instagram and all the
places that that you are foundable. There's another word we
made that's.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Gonna be the second album.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
Okay, so uh, I gotta break down all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
So if you're interested in some cool video madshubs, like uh,
something you might have seen in some of some of
you your childhood versus a song that's out, go to
at Ultramag seven which is U L t R A
M A G Number seven kind of like the group
Ultramagnetic but ultramag seven man follow the page. It's a

(01:26:38):
lot of cool stuff. So that's that as far as that.
Every Tuesday on on YouTube on Channel zero, which is
the home of Public Enemy, I'm a co host on
It's Sea Doc again. So it's me Sea Doc, Jennifer,
Jenny Flatline. Sometimes Chuck d pops in and we talk

(01:26:58):
with the who's who of hip hop. Actually I think, uh,
next week is our two hundredth episode and we're supposed
to have iced tea, which is crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, so there's that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
You can watch that every Tuesday and then on Sundays,
my main band, DJ Sobuck. He plays a mix of
the guests that we're going to have on Tuesday, So
you can check out that live mix and uh, you know,
so Sobuck's a dope DJ.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
What else I got?

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
If you go on YouTube, Oh no, let's go, let's
well get If you go on YouTube, you can find
the old podcast I used to do called People's Distinctive Travels.
Hopefully at some point we'll revamp that up, but you
can find that on YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
I took that off streaming, but we've.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Had like there's a you know, we talked about the
episode with Divine Styler, got King of Chill el Gon,
whole bunch of Who's who would rappers?

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
The current podcast to have is The Prospective, which is
a live event in Philadelphia, So if anybody's listening in
the Philadelphia area, Jersey, Delaware, whatever, we're there every month
downtown in Center City at the Cobo Pass Pub and we.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
Interview a who's who you know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
My man Cata Ranks be on the turntables, I interview
the people we recorded and then we put it back
out as the podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
There's food, there's drinks.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
You can you can just like I said, we're trying
to get the older folks in there. You can just
have a nice yeah, bring a lady, bring you, bring
your kids in there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
You know, make a day of the.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Seven o'clock. That's what's up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Man, gets you out of there. Listen, it's like four
fifty eight. The guys look at me like, bro, let's
let's ship this.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Three this man, I gotta go to my Netflix. I
got I gotta get some stuff to shame.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Yeah, well one more thing. I think I got one
more thing coming. And this kind of ties in and
I think way kind of we feel. Chuck d is
revamping his magazine. Uh it's called Wrap cent True Magazine,
and so he's revamping that up with some UK people.
So I have a column that's going to be in

(01:29:07):
that and it's going to be called the ultramag seven brand.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
But it's going to be seven random.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Questions that I am asking artists because like sometimes I
get sick of the same questions over over and over.
So as I always do, I always uh tap my
good friend mister Lenn, and he's always my guinea pig.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
So you know company flow. You know mister Lenn, that's
a buddy of mine, and so he was.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
He was the first episode on The Perspective, our first guest,
so he's going to be the first guest on UH
on the Ultramac seven. So I asked him seven random questions.
So that's going to be in a magazine. Hopefully the
issue comes out before the end of the year. I
also recorded it, so I'm going to put it out
the video on YouTube, and then I'm also going to
put it as an audio podcast. So I'm trying to

(01:29:54):
milk this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Man, I keep it, keep that content, you know, rework
it or reshape it as many ways as you can,
and I'm sure come up the questions for him is
probably gonna be You would think it'd be easy because
you know him, but it might be hard because you're
trying to go against the greve with some probably some
out out of left field questions, right, something that he
doesn't normally hear.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Yeah, yeah, because because like I said, sometimes you know,
these people get bored. So I try to give him
something not too much, but then throw some things out
there but not too crazy, but just to get to
get him thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Man, Man, thanks so much for coming on here.

Speaker 5 (01:30:27):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
You definitely put infinite answer like the name of this
show to the full definition because I'm looking at the counter.
This is an hour thirty three. So take the time
now outside of me too. Man, That's why it's called that.
So I'll be editing this thing and putting it out.
But man, I appreciate you so much for coming on
here and sharing all these stories. And I'm sure that
we barely you know, speaking of ice tea, the iceberg,

(01:30:50):
we barely barely got to tip of the iceberg of
all the stuff you've probably done over the years. Man,
and everybody, make sure you follow you know, my man,
ultramag seven online. Tell me about the name before I
let you go. How'd you come up with that name?

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
Oh, it's as simple as it's as simple as this.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
My buddy Rocky said, Yo, you got to get on
Instagram because there's girls there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
That's it. That was my space when I did it.
That was the same reason why Iah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
So I figured when I got on it, it was
going to be greeted by, you know, a bunch of girls.
But I looked at you.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
You needed a name.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
You had to come up with a name. So my
favorite group is Ultra Magnetic MC. So I did the
ultramag My favorite number is seven. It's as simple as that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
If I had, if I had to redo it over,
I would have not chosen it because you don't know
how many times people see me on social media and
think I'm cool Keith or seid g or t R
Love Love. They think that I'm the ultra magnetic account,
so that I would have rethought it, but I'm stuck
with it now.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
Well hey, maybe that works another way too, where you
get people following you just because they think you're somehow
connected to all that you know, yeah, like, oh there is.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
They find out he must.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Have been like a ghost writer or something. He must
have been a producer behind the scenes. He ran the board,
you know when you're doing ego tripping or something. Yeah,
that's him, critical breakdown. He's a man behind it. Yeah
that's cool. Keith's cussing, Yeah, because Cookie is all those
alter egos, So you could you're Matthew's cousin.

Speaker 4 (01:32:23):
I don't believe you, man, big big.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Salute for coming through on here, man, And uh, I
know you'll You'll remix some audio from this eventually one
day and I'll see it on Instagram like, oh man,
look at look at that he's doing what I should
have been doing forever.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
Big up you name you name the album so it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
Is man, Ultra mag seven. Man, big up for coming
through and I look forward uh chatting you down the
line and staying in touch with you and everything, and
everybody make sure you follow him on social media and
check out the podcast on YouTube and all the stuff
you're doing with Channel zero. Man. Just just mad salute
and I'm glad I got that chucked the album because

(01:33:01):
I got an episode out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
So thank you brother, Thank you for having me on
and listen you ever want to have you back on,
I love to come back on.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
And you got it no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
I noticed, like you know, a million stories, eight million
stories that we haven't even gotten to yet that you
know eventually, yeah, right, barely scratch the surface.

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
All right, man, everybody listening to Infant Banter podcast. You
checking out Ultra Max seven, follow him everywhere and check
out his cool videos and everything. Mad salute to I
appreciate you, big salute to Ultramax seven for coming on
the podcast here. Man. There's a lot of fun talk
with him, and I know that there's way more that
we could have done. That's like ninety minutes right there.
He could have easily done two to three hours of stuff.

(01:33:43):
But there is a lot of stuff that we were
talking about that I started writing notes on and I
want to kind of reflect on a few of them.
We're talking about wrestling and you know, kind of doing
the moves yourself. I used to do this outside, you know,
back in the mid eighties and Rogers Park north side
of Chicago area. There's a couple things we used to do.
Every watch Saturday rest, we go outside. That's kind of
the routine. You watch cartoons, then you watch you know, wrestling,

(01:34:04):
then you watch Soul Train, then you go outside. That
was my thing on Saturdays. So we go outside, and
uh yeah, I would try to do the moves to
these kids, you know. I remember I dedt a kid
that's the Jake, the Snake Roberts move. I ddt and
his head hurt. I was like, Ah, don't tell your mom, man, sorry,
I just shake it off, you know, rub some dirt
on it, and you know whatever. And we used to
like put sticks in like four corners and like tie

(01:34:26):
a rope around it called a ring. It's just nuts, man,
that we're doing this stuff on like grass, and you
know Chicago grass is in like, you know, maintained very well,
so that soil is damned near concrete. I remember we
had like a there's like a ditch in one of
the front lawns of one of the apartment complexes. We
just called it Piper's Pit, so we'd have our fake
little interviews and promos there. So it took me back

(01:34:47):
when he was saying that, it has made me remember
all those days in like eighty six eighty seven doing
that stuff. But that story about the train is real.
I did where I was going to a comic book
convention with my nephew. We got on the Blue lines.
There was a dude cutting his toenails on him, like, man,
we gotta we gotta get off the next stop and
go to the next car. And we did that, and

(01:35:08):
then there was some dude who had, you know, some
kind of New World odor going on, so pubably gonna
be referenced. So I was like, you know what, we
got to get off at the next stop, and you're
playing you're basically playing checkers with the train or chests.
You just try to get off and find it, find
a car that's cleaner and not as as gross and
no musty seats, you know, like like Ultra mag is

(01:35:31):
talking about that's definitely a real thing, man, But they
have big salute to Ultramag seven. Go check out his
videos and everything. And there's one more thing he talked
about what he does is that he'll take Like for instance,
he brought up EPM D and the big payback footage
he was using when he was doing the Scratch Bring
It Back video made me think because I said to him, like,
there's a lot of songs that don't have videos, and

(01:35:53):
a lot of them are from that early era where
videos are not the major thing you're thinking of, or
at the very least, videos were expensive. You didn't know
anybody was gonna play it. MTV wasn't playing hip hop
music back then, So a lot of those early songs
don't have videos. Like I said, Lotti Dotty, that's my
number one. If I could get a video for Lotty Dotty,
that'd be great. I wrote down some other ones that
I would love to see a video for. I always

(01:36:14):
wish there was a Paul Revere Beastie Boys video, So
I think that song definitely merits it. He could probably
easily do it with some sort of like you know,
Western footage or something. But I would love to see
a Paul Revere video. One of my favorite songs of
all time. I would love to see a Houdini five
minutes a funk video. I don't mean for Ultra mag
to be hearing this and taking these down and doing them,

(01:36:35):
but if he did it, you know, I'm not telling
him no either. But these are the songs that I
wish had, you know, some videos with it. There's so
many Public Enemy songs that require a video that don't
have one. I guess Rubble without a Pause be my
number one to think of because its song is so
huge and there is no visual for it, which is crazy.
Tribe called Quest. One of my favorite songs of theirs
is get a Hold, and I think that one would

(01:36:58):
be like really cool. It was like a trippy kind
of like like an illustration style. That would be one
that'd really get you know, hyped out if I saw
it there was a video for that. And last but
not least, do something for my favorite group of all
time Run DMC. But I'm gonna pick a song that
most people unless you're like a hardcore fan, maybe you
don't know this song or it's not one that he's
not at the top of your brain, but I would
love to see a Darryl and Joe Crush Grew three

(01:37:20):
video because it's that's the song that made me like
wish I was jam Master j because the way he
just gets to do his own thing for like a
whole minute or two at the end. A lot of
albums back then, they would let the DJ get like
a track, but this one, Jay just got loose man,
and I just loved that record, and it's one of
my favorite songs of all time, and especially one of
my favorite run DMC songs. So there's a few ideas there.

(01:37:41):
Let me know if you got any songs you wish
had a video as well. But shout out to Ultramax seven.
Definitely follow him, check him out. He does this thing
with videos and he is one of a kind, so
definitely salute to him. Let's go ahead and wrap this
thing up The Infinite Banter Podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
Hey, Yo, what's going on in your man? DJ?

Speaker 6 (01:37:56):
Lord Jazz from the world famous Lords of are underground
right now you're tuned in to the Infinite banc Podcast
with my homie always hitting you one time making it
funky DJ sound Way, Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
It's hard for you to leave assholes. That is Kirkos
of Vado doing what he does. Tell me it's time
to go, and that is exactly what I'm going to do.
But before I get out here, I did want to
bring up real quick, my six year old daughter. You know,
everybody who's a parent knows this thing. You try to
get your kid involved in some kind of extra activity
that's not school related, or something to take them to
that they can do once a week or whatever, just

(01:38:32):
to give them something to do out of the house,
which is not something we did when I was a kid.
I was in Boy Scouts and cub Scouts and stuff,
but that was the extent of my you know, non
school related things. But so I don't even know if
Brownies were girl Scouts and they still exists. I know
they sell cookies all the time, but do they go
do the things that girl Scouts used to do. I
have no idea besides selling cookies in front of like,

(01:38:53):
you know, jewel or whatever. But anyway, so she started
doing a dance class and when I called up and asked,
you know, how does it work and everything, and she's like, well,
kind of dancing does she like to do? Like, well,
she watches these TikTok YouTube videos and she just copies that,
so whatever category that is. And she's like, oh, that's
hip hop. I'm like, is it I get I didn't

(01:39:13):
say that. Sorry, in my brain, I'm thinking, like, what,
it's not hip hop? The songs she's listening to don't
sound like she's not dancing to. I don't hear any
ll records. But they were talking about is like the style.
I guess it's like a hip hop style. So long
story short. We go to the first couple of classes
and you know, yeah, they're playing you know, Doctor Dre
and Naughty by Nature. I'm like, oh cool, all right,

(01:39:33):
all right, this sounds like some hip hop stuff. I
can get into this. But the first time they were
doing it, I noticed they didn't have the radio edit.
So they're playing you know, the next episode Dre and
Snoop or whatever, and I'm like, I'm like, is anybody
gonna walk over to that laptop and click on the
right version because I hear I hear a lot of
stuff in this song. I don't think it should be hearing.
And then they play Juicy by Biggie and you know,

(01:39:54):
I forgot Sometimes you hear these songs have been part
of your life so long, you forget that there are
some bad words in my and Juicy's not not one
of those that pops up my head. It's like, oh,
there's a lot of bad words in it. And she
comes on. I'm like, oh, yeah, now you know parts.
Oh hey, can somebody get over there, hit that laptop,
hit that space bar, whatever you gotta do, move on
to the next one. It didn't last long. Somebody figured

(01:40:15):
it out, but it was like thirty seconds of both
songs playing it, and I was like, come on, guys,
so anyway that that's funny. But then like on another
class she's been to like a few of these already,
they were playing Ice Baby, and I man, people who
know me listen to this podcast, they already know my
feelings about that guy and shout out to Cool Kim.
He's been teasing about Vanilla Ice for years. I almost
wanted to get up, walk over to the desk and

(01:40:37):
be like, hey, refund, give me my money back. You
do not play this around me or my daughter. And
just cannot be called a hip hop class if that
song's playing. Thankfully, they only played it for like a
verse and they moved on from it. But uh, I'm
probably the only one because most of the parents know,
they're like, they don't know any of these songs. They're
just for whatever. They probably have heard the Dre song
before it was so big, but they don't know about

(01:40:59):
you know, the biggie track or hip hop paray. They're
just sitting there like, ugh, whatever. But Ice, Ice Baby,
that's just you know, it brought up all my angst
from nineteen ninety started coming up inside me. It's like, ah,
don't make me break something in here, turn this shit off,
give him my money back. But yeah, they haven't played
it since, and they've been playing a lot of better

(01:41:21):
stuff since then, and they're all radio edits. So definitely,
if you take your kid to a dance class, maybe
make sure that they know they play the radio edits.
I didn't think I had to tell them that. I
thought they were been doing this for years and they
knew already. But to each their own. So all right, man,
thanks for checking out the show. Big salute to Ultra
mag seven. He asked me, like looking up stuff from

(01:41:43):
talking to him, I'm looking up you know this babysitter
joint from Princess Superstar. I'm looking up Sugar Bear ready
to penetrate, Like, man, I don't know about these songs? Man,
what's wrong with me? I should know this stuff. It's
always cool to learn something and to hear about artists
and songs that I'm not familiar with and being introduced
to something that I should like twenty thirty years ago

(01:42:03):
and now I'm like, man, it's like new music to
me because I've never heard these before. So shout out
to Ultramac seven. Go check out that new Chuck d album,
check out that song carry On featuring Ultramax seven, and
check them out on podcasts like It's c Doc Again
and the Perspective podcast. Definitely check out that sadat X episode.
And I gotta go check out the Thurston how one.
He did so much great stories and information in those

(01:42:26):
episodes in those podcasts. Shout out to everybody involved with
those podcasts with doing an only Ultramax seven, but definitely
thanks for checking out the show. You can find it
on all platforms, rate and review it, go on YouTube.
Type in Infinite Banter for Clisstram Past guests from episodes
are on there. The things and stuff review videos I
have on there, check out the sponsorsuperseven dot com slash

(01:42:47):
Infinite Banter podcast, rate and review it, like it, comment,
repost it, tell people to listen to this little show
I do here, and definitely I appreciate all the support.
Big salute to Ultramax seven. I appreciate him coming through
and so I do another one of these. Go grab
myself some pumpkin spice iced coffee. I'm out hey asof
get off the road. Being on the Infinite Banner with

(01:43:19):
my man Mark has been a pleasure.

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