"Saga Trilogy'

Episode 206:  In this episode, Mark is joined once again by Hip Hop artist Saga, to talk about his new EP with Mac Montana called "Best Story Ever Told". We also discuss the idea of when to drop a project and working with multiple producers on a project. We also talk about how Saga prefers his lyrics to have substance and how his production helps mold this project and others. 

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Mark also gives a review of the "X" film trilogy series, that includes- "X", "Pearl" and "MaXXXine", and a quick overview of the Disnay Plus series "Daredevil: Born Again"

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Yo, this is Saga and you're listening to DJ
Soundwave from the Infinite Banter podcast, where we banter infinitely
on a podcast, which is perfect for me because I
don't know when to shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Let's go Infinite Banter podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Baby.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Here it is another episode of the Infinite Banter podcast.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
What is going on?

Speaker 4 (00:50):
This right here is Mark Schallaff, also known as DJ Soundwave.
Big up for checking out the show, got a good
one today. My man Saga is back on. It's his
third time on the show. Oh you might remember he
came on in the fall to talk about the Black
Label Volume one and two, and he came on a
couple of years ago to talk about Wisdom Where's the Crown?
So a lot to talk about with Saga. Glad to

(01:10):
have him back on the show here talking about his
new project, this new EP with Mac Montana, Best story
ever told. Really looking forward to talking to Saga and
getting his insight on that EP and much much more
and on.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
The last episode part of the podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
On the third Annual. So you've not heard that episode,
go back and check it out. Check out all the
podcasts that were participating Indie podcast on event at podcast
on dot org, and we had a charity that we
were representing for that episode. Go ahead and check out
the Chuck Jones Center for Creativity Chuck Jonescenter dot org. So,
as we always do, before we go forward, we go

(01:47):
back before we talk to Saga and everything else going on.
Let's go back to the last episode where Grip was on.
He is from the group Grand Official out there in
the LA area. We were talking about his new album Supreme,
and here's a fack to Grip on the last episode
of the Infinite Banter Podcast Flashbacks.

Speaker 6 (02:06):
One of the things that made me go from a
B boy two and them at the time is hearing
My Philosophy by KRS.

Speaker 7 (02:12):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:13):
And you know, I was liking a lot of breakbeats
and original like a Patchie the Mexican stuff like that,
and then hearing someone's fit rhymes like KRS on My Philosophy,
you know, and I was just like, man, that's a
game changer for me, Like I want to do what
he's doing, you know what I mean, right, And for
him to be on the album was truly a blessing

(02:33):
for all of us.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
The feature of the blast Master, you.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Know, definitely go back and check out that episode where
Grip When you get a chance. The group is called
Grand Official out there in La doing Big Things. The
album is called Supreme. You can find it on all platforms.
Definitely love that record. It's for all you boombab heads
out there. You should definitely appreciate it. Go support my
guy Grip and Grand Official doing big things out there

(02:56):
in La, and stay tuned for my guys Saga coming
on the show looking for Order talking about this EP
he has with Mac Montana called Best Story Ever Told.
Definitely an ep you guys need to check out when
you get a chance. It's on band camp. Definitely salute
the Saga's coming up shortly, so stay tuned for that
and later on in the episode, I want to talk
about a trilogy of horror movies that I finally watch.
I've been trying to watch them. I just haven't had

(03:17):
the time or couldn't figure out how to do it.
And it came out a couple of years ago, and
it's taken me a while to get around to it.
It feels like a long time, even though it's only
been out a couple of years. But I feel like
I've been trying to watch these things for a while,
so I definitely want to talk about it at the
end of the episode, so stay tuned for that. I'll
talk about well, I don't want to tease. I'm teasing
it here. I'm not gonna tell you what the movies are.
You want to know what movies I'm talking about, you
gotta keep listening, So stay tuned for Saga and much

(03:40):
more coming up here on the episode. I'm a little
hype because I just got through watching the fourth episode
of Daredevil Born Again as I'm recording this, and I
don't want to say anything about it because some of
you maybe haven't gotten that far yet or want to
watch it. You don't want any spoilers, I won't do
any of that. All I'm gonna say is it's about
time that Marvel got themselves a series that I actually
am excited to wa watch. Thank you, they didn't try

(04:02):
to glam it up.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
You know.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
It's very similar to the Netflix show that came out
some years ago, you know, like the Louke Cage and
the Punisher shows that were on there as well. It
very much feels like the next step to those shows.
So I'm a big fan of Daredevil. I'm a comic
book NERD as some of you know, but Daredevil's one
of my favorites. Anything with Daredevil or Punisher or Moon
Night stuff like that, I'm all over it. And it's

(04:23):
just got that street grime, the law aspect, the politics
of it. The Kingpin is now the mayor and he
kind of acts very similar to wanna be thug mob
boss that happens to be sitting in a high position
in this country'll stay away from that. I want to
talk about that guy in here. So definitely go check
out Daredevil if you haven't seen it yet. Born Again

(04:45):
really great. I'm just excited to see something that I
want to watch, and last few things on Disney Plus
have been kind of kind of whatever about So this
is for me. Thank you for doing a Daredevil show again,
bringing it back. It's been a while since we've had
new dared of a content, except for the cameo we
had on She Hulk. So but yeah, let's get into
the episode here. The Infinite Banter podcast which you're listening to,

(05:07):
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always appreciate on.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Good Pods or Apple podcasts, place like that. I have
a Spotify playlist. I have a poll.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Question on there. You know, what's your favorite B side?
If you listen to the last episode, I brought up
my favorite hip hop B sides.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
I put them on the poll.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Go ahead and answer that and see which song wins.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
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So go ahead and vote on that. Check out the
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Saga is coming on here talk about his new EP
with Mac Montana, Best Story Ever Told. But before we
do anything, we go over to queens, and a man
wears glasses so he can see the one and only
DMC gets on. He says this, and now the show

(06:20):
can begin.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
Yo, Yo, what's up?

Speaker 4 (06:21):
This is me DMC to Ki and g the greatest
MC in history.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
And right now you're listening to.

Speaker 8 (06:28):
Infinite Banter because we will banter on forever, because this
is the only place for all of y'all to ever be.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I be Infinite Banter.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Let's go ahead and kick the show off with a
song from the new EP, Best Story Ever Told, Saga
and mac Montana. And this track might be my favorite
song on the EP. It's called Exported Weapons. I want
you guys to hear this song, So we start with
the interview you kind of have a feel for what
the EP is about and a song that I reference
in the interview, and we talk about this song in there.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
So go ahead and get you guys.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Set up here with this track Exported Weapons from Saga
and mac Montana from the EP Best Story Ever Told.
On the other sided is to talk to the man
himself about this EP and a lot lot more. So
here we go Saga, Mac Montana Exporter Weapons. Here on
the Infinite Banter Podcast let's go.

Speaker 7 (07:17):
On now that you'll go.

Speaker 9 (07:34):
Yeah, blow the wongs on happy you over digging things,
turning on myself second guess and thinking, what the hell
couldn't ask for help? That's how we failed imposition. I'm
it's something we take the granny, turn hawks into granny.
The fidiga vantage a quiet came now. I like the
paint Hyaniya klaim back like the Messiah cane hit him
win the pistol aime fit the beta. They tell me

(07:56):
that this is a human life, still a chot, but
every day it's feeling like it's yo.

Speaker 7 (08:00):
Tell me who really won in this meat.

Speaker 10 (08:02):
I'm going to get it ripped the mic to flow,
terrific on point so specific. Yeh, I don't stand no business.
GMB get money, business me on top. See the difference
on clock we money, get it hip hop. We turned
up with it. Let's go we really win it. You
move in with permission. I'm moving with precision. I see yeah,
they watch it, watching my decisions. See they trying to

(08:22):
catch up. But it's been the man at your piece case.
Shut off the guards where I consisted, beat the odds,
build my lane. I'm taking charge, me pup and that's
on dogs. They can't fuck with us yet. Yeah, and
that's the part. Yeah, yeah, and that's the bar. And
that's the part.

Speaker 9 (08:47):
Huh keeping it arms link, pull a string like it's archery,
project strang act like nothing.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Really bothers me.

Speaker 7 (08:55):
Waste the time breathing and eating.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
What's the meaning?

Speaker 9 (08:58):
Sometimes I feel like crying and screaming.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
But I'm two fatigued and camera trying to play dead.

Speaker 9 (09:04):
Earn what I'm spending the races never and then simper fo.
I'm not trying to pitch your lost see the biggest
picture that turned out to be the biggest lot.

Speaker 7 (09:12):
Get in right. You can't see what I see on me.

Speaker 10 (09:15):
It's a different site that you're trying to see the
whole world in the different light. If I'm being better
than my soul, but God gave me to give to
right always running all of it by myself is a
different site GM before l But you know we really
eat him right, stacking up the paper. That's the only
way I'm sleeping right. That's the only way I'm sleeping right.

Speaker 7 (09:36):
And your peace king.

Speaker 10 (09:37):
Shut off the garage, glaucasist to beat the dogs, build
my lane. I'm taking charge me up and that's on dogs.
They can't fuck with alls yet. Yeah. And that's the part,
yeah yeah, And that's the bar. And that's that you're
on peace King, shut off the garage, Glaucasist to beat
the dogs, build my lane, I'm taking charge me up.

Speaker 7 (09:53):
And that's on dogs they can't fuck with alls yet.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
And that's the part yeah yeah, And that's the ball
as to call on Paine. Now that don.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yo go, no one, no pain.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
See now that you're.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Got your god.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yo yo yo, it's your boy Jamal honesty.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
And you now tuned in to Infinite Answer with my
man DJ Sad Wayne salute.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
You're too into the Infinite Banter podcast. I'm DJ Soundwave
and I'm really hyped to bring up my guests. And
he's been on a couple of times you heard him
with projects like Wisdom, Where's the Crown? And Black Label
Volumes one and two is a new project out now
with Mac Montana called Best Story Ever Told. Welcome back
to the show, MC and producer to One and Only Saga.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
What's up man, Hey man, thank you for having me back.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt man, third time. So I know
in SNL they do this thing where he's like the
five Timers club. So you're you're on your way. There's
no prizes. You don't get a coat. I don't you know,
I don't have anything for you. But hey, you're third time,
so it's you're in the top shelf here.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Hey, man, the love is all over what I need?

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah, man, that's right, right right. Maybe we'll get a
jacket someday. I got to look into the budget, but
I don't think there is.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
Much, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
But man, So, so you were last on for those
listening you're on in the fall, you were talking about
the Black Label Volumes one and two. What you've been
up to since then, and talk about this new project.
Obviously that's the main thing you've been up to, right
this EP.

Speaker 11 (11:56):
Yeah, putting together Since Black Label, I've been putting together
other sort of consolidating all of my projects and starting
to figure out when the drops are going to be
based on EP and full LP, sort of running them
back to back. So I had best I had Best
Story Ever Told, which is out now me and Mac Montana.
I had that sort of done.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
I was.

Speaker 11 (12:16):
I was just in the process of mastering it last
time we talked, So I was like, Okay, let that
be the project out the Gate that I released for
the year, for the New Year, and and then from
there just build built from there. So I have a
lot of projects in the works also, so it's just
sort of coordinating how I'm going to drop.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
When I'm going to drop, you know, what order they
should be in.

Speaker 11 (12:37):
And currently working on a project with my Man Trucks,
who's a producer from Portland. If you don't know him,
he's super dope. He's been in a couple of hes,
done some some big done some big singles. I know
he did work with fifty and a few other people.
Uh So he and I are working on an LP
right now and we are linking up in Miami doing
our studio time documenting it and uh hopefully that will

(13:00):
be released for this sprint Man.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
Sow five, I mean, you're already out the gate, You're
ready to go.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
I always wondered about this. I never asked this question
before that anybody's been on here. When you have something done,
is it hard to decide?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
All right?

Speaker 5 (13:12):
When do I put it out?

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Does it have anything to do with like maybe what
the lyrical content is, if it's timely or not you
know what's what's like the I'm sure it doesn't have
like an exact science, but there's gotta be some kind
of process to you know, when you decide when something
comes out, versus holding something back because you want something
else before it.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Right.

Speaker 11 (13:28):
Yeah, yeah, Like some some projects I would consider space
fillers just to keep things cracking, you know, just to
keep like attention, and then other ones are sort of
like your peak work where you really you know, you're
gonna maximize your attention, you know, like you're gonna get
new people. I make a decision based on who I'm
linked with on the project, so how we can cross promote?

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
So if I have other.

Speaker 11 (13:52):
Mcs and other producers, that plays a role because there's
more got more eyeballs on it, and you got more
push behind it, So those things all play a factor
at the same time. Like these these EPs that aren't
really overly conceptual or you know, just sort of like
flexing either production or lyrics or both, you know, or

(14:13):
just sort of like like the best story you ever told.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
You know, it's my production and sort of my direction
for a project.

Speaker 11 (14:19):
But I want to feature my man mac Montana because
he's part of the crew, and I want to I
want to sort of like create a feedback loop between
everything that we're doing, so what he's doing, what I'm doing.
You know that that's how we grow. We don't have
this big machine behind us, so it's sort of figuring
out who to link with, how to link with them,
and then when to release it.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
I also have to think that when you have another
person that's on an album with you, like for instance,
you know Mac Montana, you want to make sure that
you're not stepping over something maybe they've got right, because
if they're releasing something, you got to have to coordinate
it with their project as well.

Speaker 11 (14:49):
Right, Yeah, there's usually windows between you know, like runs
now are probably like three to three to six weeks
would be like a project run and then before you
you see moment the really start to fade and then
you could pick up more like you can drop something
else to pick up on playlists again, you know, keep
your attention. So it's like you need to drop something
every three to six weeks as a standard model, but

(15:12):
if you're really going gangster, then you really could drop
like a project a month, So we're talking like every
three to four weeks. You're dropping something an EP and album.
It's a big output. It's a big output, so it's
very hard to do LPs. Nobody really does. I don't
know anybody who does full LPs. Monthly vps, yes, but
LPs now it's a little a little more complicated.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yeah, And I think that this era we live in
now where you gu just you know, you're putting stuff
together at your house basically, right, a lot of people
you can put stuff out quicker as opposed to like
waiting for to get you know, engineered and everything fixed up,
you know, by the production and everything from the company
that's behind you, like the big machine like you mentioned before,
where they kind of dictate when things get released, where

(15:53):
you're kind of on your own. You I feel like
it's ready, it's going out, and I can put it
out at my own pace.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (15:59):
Yeah, there's no there's no right or wrong time at
our level, you know, Like you know, some people use
like astronomy, you know they're going to release it on
a full moon or something, you know.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
The blood Moon's out let me put out that record.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, Yeah, that's the night, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
I think there's something happy. Yeah, I think you might
be ready.

Speaker 11 (16:16):
It's a blood moon, yeah, tonight, which is crazy. See,
so we're we're starting this project this evening and for
Piranahead being trucks, So we're starting it on this blood moon,
which is crazy. I mean I usually don't subscribe to
stuff like that, but interesting nonetheless.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Until now, now you're gonna look into it. You're gonna
hang up and you look up. All right, does blood
moon have anything to do with album releases?

Speaker 5 (16:39):
Let me check.

Speaker 11 (16:40):
Well, if something happens, there's something big happens with the project,
if it goes extra extra, then maybe I can attribute
it to that and then do that every time it's
a blood moon. I don't know, right or away from
the clips superstis you know.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
You know what though, when shit goes good, I think
as when you start looking for those signs like Okay,
what happened that day? Or I maybe it on the
flip side, something goes wrong, You're like, what the hell
happened that day?

Speaker 5 (17:03):
What was going on?

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Oh it's a full moon, all right, but it's a
regular full moon. Yeah, no more end of the month. Shit,
I'm done.

Speaker 11 (17:10):
Exactly your belief on every every Thursday instead of Friday
or Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
You know what, though you already know this, man, everybody
out there probably can do this. You can find something
in anything, if you look hard enough, you can find
a bunch of stuff and.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
Like, aha, that's what happened there.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
It is, so I can't do it on this day
anymore because of this at this time, when this moon
and that's you drive yourself crazy with that stuff.

Speaker 11 (17:31):
Yeah, it's called confirmation bias, right, So yeah, we have
a preconceived notion and then we find little fact though
it's to sort of verify and give it credibility.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
I think I do that all the time, you know,
when I'm trying to you know, yeah, they trying to
justify something like I'm doing this because of this even
though this is I know it's bullshit.

Speaker 11 (17:51):
I think it's a natural human tendency though, like when
you when you don't know certain things, you have to
fill the gaps with other things. So you look for
sort of like more rational and logical, even though it
might seem illogical and irrational on some level. You're looking
for these little like space fillers that that help you
to sort of like I don't know, maybe it's more grounding.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
So so it helps you to.

Speaker 11 (18:14):
Keep moving forward, you know, because if this, if you're
unsure about something, then maybe you pause and you don't.
You don't you're not as aggressive on your forward momentum.
So you fill those gaps and that gives you that
little bit of confidence boost to keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
Man, we'll put I see there you go.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
And that's the next time I talk to the wife
about something and like try to convince her, is.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
This this is how it should be?

Speaker 4 (18:35):
And she's like, uh, whatever, dude, you just trying to
make it sound like he's just trying to change into something. So, yeah,
Saga told me, you know recordings, Yeah, right right, So
the Lucy you released what about a month or so ago.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
Who's next?

Speaker 4 (18:52):
So that be kind of one of those songs you're
kind of putting out just to kind of keep things
moving where it's not stagnant.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
And it's a track featuring Tony Kelly here.

Speaker 11 (18:59):
Yes, yeah, So that was just sort of like something
I dropped I had. I wanted to see what it
was going to do, get it, get it on the
playlist and see what the response was.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
And then you know, Best Story of a Toll was
ready to drop. Drop that.

Speaker 11 (19:11):
So now I'm even thinking of dropping another EP in
like two weeks or three weeks, just a bunch of joints,
you know what I'm saying, Like that that I have.
I have a project that came together like two or
three weeks ago, Like I started making a bunch of beats,
and when you get in that flow stage or you're
in that creative space where everything is just it all

(19:31):
works man like, everything sounds proper together, and then all
of a sudden you start writing to it and before
you know it. You know, you don't want to turn
into a full LP, but you have yourself a little
leap five six songs where everything is really like in
tune with each other. So I'm like, why not drop this?
You know what I'm saying as an EP like one
of those like flee or at the end of a run.
So as best story of a toll starts dropping off

(19:53):
a little bit, drop another EP, you know, six songs,
keep them busy while I'm mixing and mastering this project.
But we're recording it now, so this could take like
a week two weeks to record and then and then
in the mixing, mastering phase of that, I'll just drop
this other EP, and then when that run is over,
then I dropped this album, you know, Paranahead.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
And that's kind of what going back to when you
were on Last Time Last Fall, we were talking about
black La, but you were talking about a lot of
those songs were songs you just kind of had. You
were able to make it, make it work into an LP,
as opposed to like just force fitting a bunch of
songs to have enough content right to do an album.
So I can kind of see the science behind what
you're doing here with these EPs and the LPs.

Speaker 11 (20:33):
Yeah, you know the good thing about producing is that
or making beats and then producing, the production part is
really sort of putting everything together nicely so it all
fits and it all works, it's all compatible. So because
I made beats, I could take my beat style and
sort of be the bridge between other producers. Work Like,

(20:54):
if I had multiple producers on the project, I could
take my beats and use them as the bridge between
the producers particular sounds. So I construct an album that
way when I have a multiple producer project as opposed
to a singular producer project. Singular producer project, either if
I produce it entirely or whoever else I'm working with,
Like I'm gonna work with charts now.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's it's cohesive and its own way.

Speaker 11 (21:18):
Because it's that one producer sound man, it's a little easier.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
So there's a lot of formulas.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
And for you, that's definitely like something to have in
your back pocket that you know, a lot of artists
you know, don't have if they're strictly you know, an
MC or something, or they're always having other producers work
on their stuff. They've got to kind of rely on
other people to kind of do that form where your
hands on with all this. So that's definitely something you've
got an advantage with. We'll put these albums together in EPs.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, that's the reason.

Speaker 11 (21:44):
The reason why I was kind of forced to do
that is because sometimes when I would work with a producer,
it would take like, you know, twenty songs to make
a ten to eleven song album, and I'm like, how
would Because the ability to communicate is sometimes or the
ideas that I have the sound that I'm looking for, you.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Know, it was very hard for me to communicate that in.

Speaker 11 (22:05):
Words and have them understand that because a lot of times,
as producers and beat makers, you just kind of want
to be in your vibe and make what happen, you know,
like make magic happen instead of with like sort OF's
sometimes less intention and more art and creativity involved, you know,
like having direct intention? Is it different? Is a different
mastery than sort of just vibing? And I do both,

(22:26):
you know, I do both when I need to.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
You already mentioned you did all the production on this
EP right here, best story ever told. Talk about the
idea that was that something you always thought you were
going to do, or was there a chance maybe somebody
else might have produced one track or two, or you
always set out that you.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
Were going to work on this one production wise.

Speaker 11 (22:41):
I always set out to work on this production wise,
seeing like, you know, to balance my own ideas off
each other and to make it real compatible and see
how see how like how I could play with sounds
and have these sort of like high and low frequency
and tempo changes. You always need to have that contrast sound.
So I like to play with the contrast and sounds.

(23:03):
Something that might be a particular beat that sounds bigger
and then one is a little bit more subdued and
quiet or laid back, and you know, so I like
to play with sounds, and I got and when I
make it an album or an EP, I get to
play with that a bit, you know, like playing with
the effects instead of the sort of the end result,
instead of just trying to like compete with myself, you know, like, Okay,

(23:25):
I made like say, the first track I make is
super dope. Oh now I got to make something doper. No, no,
now I got to make something doper than that. You know,
constantly competing to make something better than the last thing.
But it's not always about making it better. It's about
making it play off each other, you know, and Illmatic
did that for me. Yeah, I would hear like represent
next to New York State of Mind or or you know,

(23:45):
the world is yours And to me in the beginning,
it wasn't as good, but it was beautiful. It was
a beautiful contrast, you know, like it made you appreciate
them both for what they were.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
They weren't competing with each other, they were playing off
each other.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
And the thing about Ellmatic I think still hold up
to this day is that you can't get over how
there's so many different producers on that album, but it
all is cohesive and it kind of goes back to
what you're saying before about it's just one producer. You know,
the sound kind of stays consistent where you got different
people working on it, it's sometimes a challenge to make
sure you're not going too high, too low, you know,
up and down all over the place from track to track.

(24:16):
And ill Matic, I think is just one of those
albums that they just found a way. They all just
kind of it's a good template for how to do
with multiple producers for sure.

Speaker 11 (24:24):
For me, it's the it's like the massive template, Like
it's the one that I try to base everything I
do off of the thing that worked, you know, because
you had multiple beat makers, but you had really the
production was it was orchestrated by q Tip so and
q tip is a massive curator. I mean, I'll buy
his own his own music, you can tell, you know,

(24:44):
like he really knows how to put a whole package together.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
So him curating the entire sound for it.

Speaker 11 (24:49):
On top of the fact that all of the producers
were New York City producers, so they were within the
five bough so they did have a similar sound to
the natural, natural feel to them, right, you know, it's
a New York feel at the time. So taking those elements,
you know, it is like so imagine taking like a
bunch of producers from let's say one region and doing

(25:09):
the same thing, you know, and curating their sounds.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
You know.

Speaker 11 (25:12):
So it's it's an interesting that was an interesting project
all around, you know, for first time out kind of
changed the game. So I would say the world is
Yours is like one of my top top three songs
of all times. Man, And yeah, I kind of based
my whole I based my whole entire career off of
that particular sound.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
I would say, for me, anything with piano in it,
just for some reason, I'm always I'm ready, I'm good
to go. And Pete Rock tens to have a lot
of piano play in his production, and it's like.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Man, that that's a great one.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Man, that's a that's hard for me to argue that's
not a top three song or at the very least
a top ten record, and that whole albums for the
top ten songs you really get down to it. But yes, man,
speaking of sounds, and you know you're you're talking about
cutesip earlier, and this song kind of made me think
a little bit.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Of lyrics to Gogu.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
I love how cutes it did auction on that with
the vocal and exporter weapons. Man, I love that track
the way you had the hook kind of kind of
fade into the beat, man, I was I was sticking
the lyrics to go a little bit. I'm not saying
you're definitely doing that, but it kind of reminded me
of that, how like the vocal kind of comes in,
it kind of fades out and the beat's coming in.
And man, just salute for that track. Man, I really
love that record.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Man, I appreciate it.

Speaker 11 (26:19):
Yeah, you know, like that is definitely in that vein,
in that style, and I definitely took cues from Cute
Tip on that, you know, because it's it's very it's
a lot different than all the other songs.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
So that's what I mean by contrast.

Speaker 11 (26:32):
You know, that was the contrasting project that wasn't as
like wasn't necessarily as like crime, you know, on purpose.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
It stood out I think for that reason too. I mean,
maybe that's why I tend to like that song. I
don't know if it's my favorite, but was one I
kind of went back to a couple more times because
I just liked the sound of it, and it just, yeah,
it sounded different, but it wasn't different towards like, you know,
like an extreme difference. It was just different enough to
where it was like it kind of stood out a
little bit, if that makes any sense.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, but that's yeah, exactly like you said.

Speaker 11 (26:58):
But that that's what made you pay it to it
because it was contrasted between those sandwich between Invisible Walls
and the song before.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I think best story was on the it was the
first or Jones, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 11 (27:13):
It was a contrasted between those songs. So I like
to do stuff like that and all of my projects,
you'll hear that song. You hear that song that. Yeah,
obviously it's still in the vein of what I do
because it's my sound, but it's contrasting enough to stand
out and make you pay attention to it a little
bit more instead of you know, everything being sort of
monotone and one frequency everybody listening.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Make sure you play the CP you know, play all
the tracks on there. But when you get to Export Weapons,
you're going to hear what we're talking about right here
is real dope track. And you know, I don't even
overlook you know, Mac Montana talk about working with him
and this is the first time you guys have done
something together.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Well, we we have.

Speaker 11 (27:49):
We're on two joints together on Black Label, Saga one
and two. We's got one joint on each with me
just he and I on one, and then there's another
song with Iceberg, snub non chalon, Lese and Mac.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
So it's the four of us again.

Speaker 11 (28:04):
So we came together again for Best Story Ever Told,
and we were on Black Label together. So that's that's
where we met. Me and Mac. Me and Mac met
through a Pete Rock post. He had reposted one of
my uh one of my remakes of a sample that
he had done and a song back in the day,
and I.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Flipped it my own way.

Speaker 11 (28:24):
He heard it, he posted it, and then Mac must
have been following him and he heard it on there
and he reached out to me and said, yo, let's work.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
And then that's when we work together.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
You know that's crazy because I mean how many times
you probably get that kind of message where it turns
into nothing right, you know, just like it's not really anything,
And then.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
This actually here we are. We got an EP with
you guys.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Working together, like you mentioned songs on your last album,
and I'm sure you guys gonna do more stuff in
the future. So that's pretty cool that this came out
of a post hit at the beginning of all this.

Speaker 11 (28:50):
It's importance of like staying open, you know, like not
being egotistical or being I don't know, man like introverted
it in any way. Like I'm kind of an extrovert
by name, So I'm not afraid to like give people
a chance, you know, like especially if I think you're nice.
If you're don't, I'll give you a chance. Man, I'm
not like And the crazy thing is, in this industry

(29:11):
you run into a lot of people who are like
this level to this game, right, there's people who have
certain fan bases and attract certain certain level of attention,
And I get like big players not be you know,
maybe being a little standoffish and not being so receptive
you know when that's cool, Like I never take that
to a fence or anything.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
It doesn't bother me.

Speaker 11 (29:28):
But somebody on my level or maybe like even maybe
newer than me who kind of have an attitude like
like I'm too dope, you know what I'm saying, Like
like you know, this weird sort of ego because I've
worked with like people who are like a way above
my rank in this game, and they're cool. They're just
straight up cool, like they're the coolest people. And I'll
tell I'll give you one right off the jump. Rock Marciano.

(29:50):
I work with Rock Marciano. He came to my video shoot.
He was mad cool about everything he was. He and
I even to this day, like if I run into him,
he's cool with me, man, like we're cool. Dap up yo,
how you being blah blah blah you know so, And
then other people who are weigh lesser than his tier
are just dickheads, you know what I'm saying. Just there's
no other way to put it, man, Like I can't

(30:11):
you know, like why what's the purpose? I'm like, I'm
never that way to anybody, So it's always very odd
for me to be like, like who are you? You know,
like stop acting like that. You're not all that man.
Somebody told you wrong, they put the battery in your back.
And you know, because I've been I told with Freddy Gibbs,
he was mad cool man. Like I've been around, I've
been around people who are who were like level leveled

(30:34):
up and.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
You know they're not.

Speaker 11 (30:36):
They don't have those kind of attitudes, and I think
that's part of their success as well. You know, I
think because they have a certain level of like coolness
and openness, it opens doors.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Man.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
I'm trying to think in my head, You're like, what
would cause somebody that's to think? I mean, obviously, like
you said, somebody somebody gassed them up and they thought
they were a ship or something and they can't you know,
they can't be messed with or whatever.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
That's fine.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
You can have an ego, you know, you could have
that kind of swagger, I guess, but you kind of
get to a point where you can't go any further
because you're alienating people. You know, you're not letting people
in with other ideas, and you're kind of stuck in
a lane. If you're if you have the kind of
mindset and you're right like Freddy Gibbs Rock Marciano Man,
talk about Freddy Gibs for a minute. Makes that's one
of my you know, my favorite guys out right now.
What was it like being with him and doing shows

(31:18):
with him?

Speaker 11 (31:18):
Yeah, I did like a little run with him in Canada,
So we did three city run Toronto, Ottawa City and Montreal.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
And Freddy's just for me.

Speaker 11 (31:26):
It's just cool, man, He's not like, it's not raw ra,
he's not like you know, he's not out of pocket.
He's just kind of laid back and its social man.
So he's just a regular dude. Man, You're not like
and how people are supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I get that.

Speaker 11 (31:38):
We have like a media persona, you know, we do
have multiple sides for ourselves depending on the situation, if
things things could get if things get a little heated,
sometimes we have to get rara.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
That's just the way things are, you know. But and
I get that. I get that. I'm not like I'm
not immune from that myself.

Speaker 11 (31:55):
Like I grew up in New York, Like there's a time,
there's a time and place for everything. You know, it's
just of knowing when when it's appropriate. Like that's what
it's all about. Like there's people who appropriate and then
the people inappropriate. You know, so no one to when
to use your gifts or or whatever. Is a skill
set that we learned going through life, right, So we
might use something inappropriately, like being boisterous at the wrong

(32:17):
time or when we're not supposed to or being defensive
when we're not supposed to, and as we get older,
we're supposed to learn from that, you know. Back to
what you were saying, like why why you think people
would be kind of like stand off as an egotistic are,
Like part of me thinks that they might just be
socially awkward.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Maybe they're just a little bit.

Speaker 11 (32:34):
On the antisocial side, so they have that little bit
of social anxiety that keeps them that automatically puts them
in more of a defensive position unnecessarily. You know, that's
not maybe that's not your eye experience with life. Maybe
we're not. It's like, right, you know, I don't know,
I grew up a certain way, so I've recognized certain
things at certain times, like at the complexity of people.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
Probably something to do with people feel like they give
you more cutthroat too, because you're coming up.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
You got to be more. I don't know, you got
to step on people more.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
It's stupid to think that, but you know, you feel
like you've got to make a name for yourself, and
sometimes you do that by taking down somebody else, you
know what I mean, or or shutting someone else down,
and that's you know it's it's not long term gonna
get you anywhere, you know, if that's the mindset.

Speaker 5 (33:15):
But that's crazy, man.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Freddy Gibs sounds like he's just like he is on record,
and what it sounds like to me, he's just cool
and calm as he is on his records.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
Man, shout out to Freddy Gibbs. That's a dude right there.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, he's shows crazy man.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Another track I wanted to bring up in here. I
think this might be my favorite track on Here, Monsters.
I was like, after that song was over, it's like
one of those tracks like you're singing it later, you're
thinking about it afterwards. Man, I got to ask you
about that one. That's definitely, you know, one of my
favorite tracks on here.

Speaker 11 (33:42):
Yeah, though, I mean, yeah, that chorus is pretty catchy,
you know, So that definitely is easy to sort of recite,
even like the Paul where I'm just saying monsters in
between Max lines.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
It's like, so you don't even have to know the line,
you just have to have to repeat.

Speaker 11 (33:54):
Monster becomes monster becomes a mantra, so ultimately you're just
repeating it at the end. And that was kind of
the sleeper man I wasn't expecting that one, but I
got a lot of feedback on that.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
Your your feedback is what I was feeling when I
heard it, Man.

Speaker 11 (34:05):
Yeah, I definitely like it's a hard thing to decide
what tracks are really gonna work the best, you know, Like,
obviously so many times I've had my favorites and then
I released my favorites, and the joints that I kind
of slept on were the ones that hit.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I mean, I've been right more than wrong about.

Speaker 11 (34:25):
My about like my singles about my first joints that
come out on a project. But though bit songs on
each project that kind of go that I didn't expect
to go, man, which is dope?

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Which is dope?

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, because you don't want it to only be like
the same two songs all the time, like the ones
you thought were the ones everybody else like, but the
rest of the album nobody cared about. Right, You don't
want that, it's for sure, exactly. So it probably helps
that there are like two or three songs on every project.
You're like, man, a lot of people are feeling this song,
and you know, I wasn't sure how would be received,
and I'm getting so much good feedback on it. That's
that's got to be gratifying on top of it too,

(34:57):
because man, you can know which that top single is,
but sometimes you don't know what that third or fourth
song is that people actually like and get back to
you on.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
So that's that's pretty cool to hear it now. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
It was easy for me to remember because I'm you know,
I'm not as smart as I used to be, so
I could pick up on that that hook and I
just remember it later on.

Speaker 7 (35:13):
Man.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Man.

Speaker 11 (35:16):
I think it's like it's the kind of thing where
you know, it's a double led sword because part of
part of it makes me like not necessarily trust my
own judgment when it comes to my own music. Sometimes
sometimes that sometimes there's a soul maybe I didn't even
release because I wasn't that confident. I don't think it
was that dope, but that might be the one that's
super hot, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
Like, yeah, and how do you know that's my thing?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
That's my thing?

Speaker 11 (35:39):
I mean, you know that's probably like I'm almost like
just drop it all man, you know, like, just let
it all go.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Man, what's the problem. What do you got to lose
at this point.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
You know, I know there's like an idea of like
a test song where you just like, you just put
it out and just see if I guess I'd be
like a Lucy in the same regard. You put it
out and you see if you know there's any kind
of feedback on it, any kind of traction, and then
if you get nothing out of it, you like, well,
my you know my thoughts are correct. You know this
wasn't the song. So I'm glad I held back on it.
But I'm glad it's out there. Anybody likes it. Good
for you, so you know what I mean. It's it's

(36:07):
gotta be a weird kind of thing to play with
because if you're not so sure on it, you maybe
you feel like you're doubting yourself. Maybe you shouldn't even
put it out because you know, you don't wonder to
have a song that people aren't feeling. But you never
know who's gonna feel. It's such a weird like back
and forth.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
I'm sure it is.

Speaker 11 (36:20):
And I have songs that I haven't released from like
I'm talking years ago, like fifteen years ago, that you know,
obviously I gave to whoever was my crew at the time,
and they still come back to me and be like, Yo,
that song was fire. Yeah, I like I love that
song like They'll still like play it, you know. And
then and then I do have my circle that I
send my songs to like before I released them, to

(36:42):
get feedback, and sometimes they'll tell me, yo, I still
played that song like all the time, it's in their rotation.
So songs I know that haven't haven't released that stay
in my people's rotation.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I kind of get feedback from that.

Speaker 11 (36:55):
And a lot of times those are the songs that
I know we're gonna be there, We're gonna pop, you know,
the most. So it's like I said, I'm getting mixed
signals from my own music.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
You know, what was the track you thought for sure
when you released a CP would be the one that would,
you know, definitely resonate with people.

Speaker 11 (37:12):
I knew best story ever told was gonna resonate. That's why,
that's why it was the single. One of my personal
favorite songs on that whole project is Invisible Walls, and
I thought Invisible Walls would be the bigger one and
it did.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
It did well.

Speaker 11 (37:28):
It was my second single, but Monsters kind of like
in all my metrics. Monsters kind of like took off
on its own without like that promo just by you know,
because we released Invisible Walls as a single as a
second single, but Monster we didn't promo at all, and
that's the one that took off. Dal Jones too, both

(37:49):
of those songs, and I don't know what it is.
Something about those songs are very to me sound wise,
they're kind of like heavy drum but more on the
simple side.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
The description camp for Invisible Walls it says this song
is about the growing surveillance state. So you know, you
always got to thinking when you put out you know,
records and EPs and such, and that was definitely one
that made you think. But sometimes those aren't the ones
that maybe get the most plays because you hear once
and someone like you take it all in and then
you get to the song that you want to sing
along later afterwards, right, So you know, that's a tough one,

(38:20):
but that definitely made me think a lot, of course,
And you know the content there, I mean, you always
you always put out their material with that, you know,
those messages in there, right, that's always important for you,
right to make sure the lyrical content and some of
the things you're trying to say have some substance to it.

Speaker 11 (38:33):
Absolutely, absolutely, Like that's why I thought, like, to me,
that's one of the more conceptual songs on the project
for me, you know, like where I had a real
intention to convey a very specific message about the surveillance
state and you know, artificial intelligence and sort of this
human two.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Point oh that we're moving into.

Speaker 11 (38:54):
So you know, obviously when you have a very specific
message and you feel it's important, then it has a
higher level of importance to you personally, you.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Know, right, And that could be one of those songs
that you know, maybe right now people are still kind
of not sure what even any of this stuff is.
They don't really have a grasp on it. But then
it'll start to affect them in a year or two
and they're like, oh, man.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
Remember that song.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Someone talked about that a couple of years ago, and
you know it has like a new life after we've
lived this, you know this kind of stuff after a
year or two, right, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (39:22):
Yeah, Yeah, that that comes down to timing, you know,
sometimes releasing you have sometimes you hear about artists releasing
music before.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Their time, Like this dude was before his time.

Speaker 11 (39:32):
He was too early, even like for a whole genre
of music or a phase. Right, you hear about an artist,
maybe all the guys before it's time, and then sometimes
people are after that time, so they missed striking at the.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Exact time that would have been.

Speaker 11 (39:46):
That things were most like on the social conscious, you know,
in the front of people's minds, even culturally or or
politically or whatever it might be. You know, it's not
just so it's it's it's hard. It's hard timing, man,
Sometimes it just works out that way for people.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Sometimes their timing is just right.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Yeah, man, And that's a trick. I mean, obviously, if
everybody knew the timing and how to do all this stuff,
we'd all get it right. You know that that's you
got to know when to strike, and that's sometimes it's
hard to know, and you might be too early or
maybe too late. You know, some might be man, that
that album sounds like two years ago. Nobody's doing that anymore.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
What are you doing? You know? So that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
I wanted to talk about the cover, man, I love
the cover with the two ronin like samurais on there.
Talk about the idea the cover. Did you have any
influence on that and who put that together?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, that was that.

Speaker 11 (40:31):
That whole concept was was basically my idea, like I had.
I had this idea to just do to samuraized like
if you if you remember from my project sixteen in Bag,
the cover had that aesthetic as well, right, it had
a It had a sort of a Japanese motif inside
a triangle, and and that was so I kind of
liked that that texturized watercolor. So I I told the

(40:55):
artists his name is Blatant Vision. He's on Instagram. He's
super dope. I sent them in images of concepts that
I like. So I told them, okay, to samurais watercolors.
I gave him the color scheme texturized, make the watercolors
bleed out. So yeah, the idea for both a lot

(41:15):
of my album cover art are my ideas. I just
need them executed by somebody who's super skilled. And that's
the talent in and of itself to be able to
explain that to an artist and then have that artist
actually make it exactly like the way you wanted or better.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
And Blayton Prision actually did that for me.

Speaker 11 (41:33):
He actually made it better than I even expected it
to be he's super dope.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
I like I put the name on the what was
it on the glove or whatever, you know, and it
was just, yeah, it's a super dope man. And I
mean I like comic books and stuff, so he kind of,
you know, felt like I was looking at like, you know,
Frank Miller's Ronin or something like it kind of had
that vibe to it. I was like, oh shit, this
is dope man. This this cover alone got me geeked.
Man talk about where they could find this EP. I
know it's on band camp, any other place as they

(42:00):
could find it.

Speaker 11 (42:01):
All streaming platforms man Spotify, but always the best, the
best is always to go to band camp at this point,
you know that that's where I get the most feedback interaction.
You know, anything I make from it financially just goes
into another project.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
So it's not like, you know, not lining in my
pockets and making me Google.

Speaker 11 (42:18):
Wealthy or anything. You know, it's just it just gets
stumped back into more music. So that yeah, that's basically
where you know, I've really kind of focused this release
on band camp, you know, that was that was my
main thing, even though it's everywhere it's available everywhere and eventually,
like I do make these album arts covers for with
the intention of making into mer turning it into merch

(42:40):
like T shirts and stuff.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
So there you go. That's my other question down the line.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
You got your merch coming out putting them on shirts
or anything like that, or having CDs and records.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
So there.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, yep, we're gonna do. I probably won't do vinyl
for this one.

Speaker 11 (42:53):
I'll do merch though, I'll do like te's and stuff
and uh, but for this project being talks are working
on this will definitely have a vinyl and merch et cetera,
all all the accouterments.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
That's what's up, man, And I know you got something
else you're working on. You kind of tease it a
little bit already talk about what's coming up next for
you and what you're doing actually today, right, you're gonna
go down there and do something down where you're at.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (43:15):
This project I'm working on currently in the moment with
a producer named tracks Portland producer Super Nasty. He and
I is called Piranhahead And we don't know how many
songs it's going to be. It's gonna be what it
is at this point, we're just kind of getting it started.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
It's kind of organic in that way, right, You're just
kind of doing it as you go.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
But it feels complete.

Speaker 11 (43:34):
It's complete, you know, like, Yeah, that's when you know
like you have the right amount of cuts and you
have the right amount of frequencies playing off each other
instead of making something too long or too short, you know.
So yeah, that's basically the next project. Piranhahead in the intrum.
I will have an EP coming out as a working title,
so I'm not even going to give the title the moment,
but I have that. I have another project called iron

(43:54):
Age with my man Noisey eighty two, my boy from Brooklyn.
That's a fourteenth song LP be dropping this summer, and
then myself an Iceberg Snub. I have an EP called
Regatta that's coming out in the summer as well, and
then a couple of things that are coming out in
the fall and then winter. So we're gonna be We're
gonna be busy.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Man. You need to get a good at least ten
to eleven podects this year.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Yeah, you're you're definitely keeping a busy. It's only March,
so your year is almost it seems like you got
to planned out already. Yes, and you mentioned a couple
of people that are on the CP by the way,
Iceberg snub. You know, you go ahead and shout out
everybody who helped you on this current EP best story
ever told.

Speaker 11 (44:29):
Yeah, man, shout out to nonchalant lese Iceberg snub, Mac
Montana and my man, no, he's eighty two.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
That's my squad. That's if I invite you on my
projects then and my people.

Speaker 11 (44:40):
At this point, this isn't like an upward swinging trajectory
for me. It's not like I'm trying. I'm trying to
build a movement at this point. You know, a movement
an artists who are ambitious. So all these cats are
ambitious and they want to put in the work, so
that's all I need.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
And then Nasty, So you put that combination together.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
You can't lose there you go, man, that's what it's
all about.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
And just paranahead. Do you think it'll be what probably
end of the year or something like that. It's going
to be a little bit before we see that one out.

Speaker 11 (45:07):
It really depends because this is going to depend on
when I can get the Finyl house to produce the Vinyl. Right,
so I'm thinking possibly midsummer and the summer.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Okay, so a lot earlyer than I am thinking. Okay,
cool man, Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Man.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Everybody stay tuned, and they need to follow you online
of course, so they can keep up with everything. I
know you're on Instagram, go ahead and shout out where
they could follow you another, social media places and things
like that.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, man, follow me everywhere on social media.

Speaker 11 (45:34):
Facebook's saga seventy one to eight, Instagram, Twitter, Yeah, to
hit me up on everything. And now the new one.
What's that new one? I don't even use it that much,
but I'm on it now.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Blue Sky.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Now what's the one that's now linked to Instagram threads? Threads? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I just jumped.

Speaker 11 (45:53):
I just jumped on threads like two weeks ago, and
it's like, damn, it's overload man.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Like the good thing for me is that because, like
you just said, threads and Instagram are connected. I don't
really go to threads.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
I just know that.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Stuff I post on Instagram automatically links to threads, so
if somebody's on threads, they'll see it. But I have
like almost zero activity over there, Like I don't go
there to go there, Like it's just like, oh yeah, threads.

Speaker 11 (46:17):
It's just Instagram's version of Twitter at this point, So
whatever I kind of post on Twitter, I post on threads,
you know, I'll put them.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I'll jump from one to the other.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
It is too much, man, Because I jumped on Blue
Sky what January whenever it was it was kind of
you know, I don't know Poppin's the right word, but
it felt like that was a place to be, and
I went on there maybe like a day. I kind
of looked around into stuff, But I honestly I haven't
been on there too much at all because I don't
I don't have the time or I don't have the
drive to go to multiple social media.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
Sites and check stuff.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
I'm kind of Instagram's really where I go, and that's
about it.

Speaker 11 (46:52):
I think most people at this point, that's like you
can only have so much bandwidth. I feel like Facebook
has kind of become a dead end for a long
time now. Yeah, it's almost like it feels void of
like interaction. Even even SoundCloud. Like SoundCloud, I would I
would dump more music on, but I feel like SoundCloud
is even kind of flatlined. Like I used to get
a lot more feedback on that, but not anymore so.

(47:14):
All of these platforms are constantly changing their algorithms and
the way they operate. I mean so, I mean, Instagram
has been the only consistent one.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Right, It's the only one that I feel that, like
you just said, it's been consistent. I feel like it's
a place where I post something and I'll get i
don't know, tractions right whereab I'll get some you know, feedback.
Facebook to me is just that's where my aunt can.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
See pictures of the you know, my daughter or something
that's not.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Really I post on there, but nobody gets a shit
about what I'm doing, unless it's oh, your daughter's growing?

Speaker 5 (47:43):
What about the podcast? Is zero? Nothing? They don't give
a fuck.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah. Facebook is boo boomer tech.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
You know, yeah, there you go. That's that's a good
way to put it. Boomer tech. There it is. Man,
always always great having you on here.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Like I said, it's the third time, so you're in
that echalize, Yeah, man, no, it was. It's been cool
having you on here since a couple of years ago.
You came on the first time, and you know, shout
out to Jerry Graham. You always sets these things up
and uh, everybody, make sure you go get that EP
best story ever told. You got some Lucy's out there,
like we talked about, and you've got a lot coming
up in the future. Man, And I gotta get those

(48:18):
shirts too. You know that that cover will look really
cool on a shirt or a hat.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Man, Yes, sir, Yeah, that's that's the move there, it is.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Everybody, make sure you go check out everything sagas up
to and doing. And this Pirana Head sounds like it's
gonna be I like the idea because it sounds like
it's kind of old school, right, you just gonna all
go into the same place and we're just gonna create
something and then just see what happens.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Right.

Speaker 11 (48:37):
That's that's what I was going for. That's the vibe.
I wanted to have everybody the same place to make music.
So it's you know, you when you get that that
feel like and everybody and it becomes like a feedback,
you know, like everybody's amped up and we're all like, you.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Know what I'm saying, We're all feeding off each other.
It's the vibe.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Yeah, you don't get to it anymore, right, I mean,
it's just changed so much.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
I mean for the better. Right.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Technology is so good that you know, you get work
with a cat from another country for that matter. But
I think there's something special about all of you guys
together just putting something together.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Right. Yeah, everything has his pros and cons.

Speaker 11 (49:06):
You know, it's like tools, man, tools are used in
certain situations.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
And we'll do this this way and we'll see what
it is.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
You know, there it is, man.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Everybody, make sure you check out Saga and the EP
Best Story Ever Told. It's out right now on band
camp and all platforms, and being a lookout for pana
Head coming soon along with a lot of other stuff. Man,
big up for coming through on the podcast as always,
and Man, I appreciate you doing this, and you know,
sending me some music because I always like to hear
new stuff, so you know, keep me in that email
thread and get.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Those for sure.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
Man.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
All right, everybody, make sure you check out Saga and
everything he's doing. And big up for coming on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Man, alright, Peace, you know, thanks for having me Sandwich, you.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
Got it, Man, big big thanks to Saga for coming
on the show. Make sure you check out his EP
with Mac Montana, Best Story Ever Told, and it's always
kind of humbling for me when somebody comes on more
than once, because it means that they like the first
time they came on here, and they want to come
back and about it and they enjoy the dumb thing
I do here. So I appreciate him for doing that

(50:05):
coming on. I'm sure he'll be on again, and I
look forward to hearing his new project, Piranhahead that'll be
coming out.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
Soon, so stay tuned for that.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Always cool talk with him because he's got so much
insight and I always kind of come away thinking differently
about something or kind of learning something, and hearing him
talk about how and when to release songs and albums
and EPs and just a lot of that kind of
behind the current stuff that I always like to hear
about because I don't make music, so I like to
hear how this stuff gets made. Man, it's pretty cool

(50:33):
to hear. So speaking of music that he's made, here's
one of those like Lucy tracks. You know, it's not
on the album, it's not on the EP. It's nothing
that you would find on those albums, kind of like
the B sides I was talking about in the last episode,
something you don't find on the main material. But he
has this out there and you can go find it,
you can listen to it, but you canna hear it here,
so you can hear it here.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
First, this track right here is.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Called Who's Next featuring Tone Kelly talked about it in
the interview, and a really cool track. I want to
make sure that this one gets some play. You guys
can hear some other things that he's done and definitely
get the full spectrum of Saga's work. So here we go,
Who's Next Saga Tony Kelly here on the Infinite Banter.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Podcast as.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Its slump.

Speaker 9 (51:17):
Yeah, and she can't be for life, you know when it.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Comes with a high rice.

Speaker 9 (51:26):
They also see Tom Humbles all man man, So I
guess that's on me and Tim having common having got.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
The full of granted memory.

Speaker 9 (51:34):
Never forget my enemies, never forget to face a whole
life entity pays a playing pressure. Cake just can't make
sure the meth head to the man is fucking stand.
It's done that, y'all are really tested. You ain't the
man that's still behind the stead against the man.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
We still want to stay you.

Speaker 9 (51:50):
So you're riding twenty fifth never really resides in your mind.
It's a spiritual warfare. You're already naked demise. We under
new management got the city pan again. It's a banishment.
Your Jimmy hopping, how you vanished? I spoke the demons
like I'm burning some speeds in that house of harvest.
They didn't even see from our page. I should let
him rest in peace, but he wouldn't let me live,

(52:12):
or bring your piece of ship and not least him
from my breast.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
I could take the high.

Speaker 7 (52:16):
Road, keep my head above the breasts.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
I'll take the high crownd and God and ask coach next.

Speaker 7 (52:22):
Yeah, I'm gonna break it down.

Speaker 9 (52:24):
Let him snapping next, help a hit deducted the other
half of try to earn respect, mercenary, catch his kid.
We ain't come to cash checks. We came to trash
reps to snatch up the assets. Yeah, I'm gonna break
it down. Let him snapping next, held it hit the.

Speaker 7 (52:38):
Dected the other half.

Speaker 9 (52:39):
I try to earn respect, mercenary, catch his king.

Speaker 7 (52:42):
We ain't come to cash checks.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
We came to trash reps to snatch.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Up the assets.

Speaker 12 (52:46):
Me down to matter man, local casualties. This putquation. What's
no sister calling an animally that swear you more your head.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
You're sure, don't even.

Speaker 12 (52:54):
Shot you never see how I study what I I'm
tiring beasts, I get nobody and he means I risk
enough from underneath.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
It took everything on the siege.

Speaker 12 (53:05):
There's not holding me a full mcs like Oorda got
me over a six seeds or the odor got me.
Fine that man, I'm only yond seat, been hoping. It's
not me cready or not. I'm here like it or not.
I'm hot, boiling up hot, just watching it for the top.
They stop ship, put him in a figure four and
that clock.

Speaker 7 (53:22):
You didn't wine a piece.

Speaker 12 (53:24):
You did it at us first, pushing through the doors.
Now you're crying and it's a mess. What special type
of nigga? I guess you feeling bumped your head. There
ain't no competition, ain't no one asking who's next.

Speaker 9 (53:35):
Yeah, I'm gonna break it down like I'm snapping next,
helping Hctor. You other half of try to her respect
mercenary cash kid me come to cash checks. We came
to trash reps. Just snatch up the assets. Yeah, I'm
gonna break it down like I'm snapping next, helping hit Dectly.
You other half of try to earn respect mercenary catch
kid me come to cash checks. We came to trash

(53:57):
reps to snatch up the assets.

Speaker 12 (54:05):
Yo, it's good man, your boy minic shoes here with
DJ sound Waves on Infinite Dancing Man checking in.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
It's hard for you to leave assholes.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
That is Kirk Osa Viado doing what he does, which
is kicked me out of here, and I put my
foot in the door. He's not gonna close all the
way because I got a couple of things before I
get out of here.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
So I had teased at.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
The beginning that there's a trilogy of horror movies that
I've been meaning to watch since they came out, and
it's taken me this long to get around to it.
And the trilogy is ex Pearl and Maxine and shout
out to my guy DJ real One, because he definitely
was talking about these movies before and they've been out
on my radar, but for whatever reason, I just couldn't
get around to it. And what I ended up doing

(54:45):
was but I'd done a lot of times, so you know,
I'm very you know, economical with this stuff. I'll watch
stuff on Pluto and TB when I do my infinite
torture segments. You hear me talking about them. And when
I watch a lot of these movies or sometimes I'll
pay a few dollars like I did with The Man
in the White Van on Prime to watch it. So
I'll do that too. But this time I went to
the library. I had to go there for some other
thing unrelated, and I just kind of wandered into the

(55:06):
DVD section. I'm like, you know, there's that movie X
that I didn't watch. Let's see if they have it,
and they had it. And then when I went to
you know, bring it back, Let's see if they have Pearl,
they had that, and then Maxine. So those are the
three movies are all connected. X came out first in
twenty twenty two, and then Pearl and then Maxine. Now
Pearl is a prequel to X, and Maxine is the

(55:27):
third released movie as well as the finishing aspect of
the trilogy. And I would say the way they are
released is probably from my favorite, you know, to the end.
EX is definitely my favorite of the three, but Pearl
was so good that it might be Yeah, I might
be wrong in rating it. Second, I think Pearl might
be number one. But right now, so today, recording this
X definitely was my favorite, and Maxine's really great too.

(55:49):
It's just of the three, it's not the strongest of
the three. Basically, X's set in the seventies, real slasher,
old school. Feel like I say this every time I
do this, you know, I like that slasher vibe that's
from the seventies or eighties, which this is a group
of young people go to make an adult film in
a you know, a farmhouse that's not connected to the

(56:11):
main house, and there's an old couple that rented out
to him. Of course, they have no idea what kind
of movie they're making or what they're doing there, and
you know, stuff goes haywire.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
Things happen, and.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
There's a pretty good cast in there. At Geny Ortega's
in it, although she's not really the star of it.
I would say Mia goth is, because she's in all
three of these movies. You know, Britney Snow is in it.
Kid Cuddy, who I haven't seen in anything, and I
remember her making music. I didn't know that he was acting,
and maybe I'm just not up on things. He's in
it as well, as you know, pretty decent cast it
definitely felt like that era with the look and the

(56:43):
feel and the way was filmed.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
I got to give these horror.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Movies a shout out because of the way that they're
produced and they're made. There's definitely a lot of money
put into it. And there's a cool shot of the
lake where there's an alligator that's swimming in it and
it's almost going to devour one of the characters in
the movie, and just the overhead of it and the.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
Way with Shad is really cool.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
The suspense is really built up, and I think, you know,
horror movies deserve a budget and should have some production value,
and that's what this movie has. So I appreciate it,
and I don't want to say too much about it.
I don't wanna spoil it. You just definitely go check
it out. If you're into these kind of films, you
should like it.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
Now.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Even though Pearl is a prequel to this, I'd rather
watch it how the artists put it out there. So
if they put Pearl out second, I'll watch it second.
In theory, I could have watched Pearl first and then
watched X, but I don't think it would have had
the same impact. So Pearl was basically a prequel to X,
and one of the characters the wife of the old
guy who rented out the farmhouse. It goes back to

(57:42):
when she was young, so you kind of get why
she was like she was an X, and I feel
like that had more impact seeing it that way as
opposed to, like in chronological order. It's kind of like
with Star Wars. I would never tell anybody to watch
the prequels first because I don't think you'll want to
watch anything else because those are not good. It's like,
just watch the original three.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
This.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
This is what I always say.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
Watch the original three and if you give a damn
after that, then go ahead and watch other stuff, but
do not start from what's considered the first one.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
It's no that being.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Said, Pearl is great. It's said in that it kind
of has like a Wizard.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
Of Oz feel.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
So where X had kind of a Texas Chain Saw
Massacre feel, Pearl definitely had like kind of a Wigit
of Oz feel, like a girl on a farm, she's
riding a bike, you know, she wants to be a star.
It had a lot of that. It's like a scarecrow
in it. A lot of that feel in that movie,
So definitely go watch Pearl and X, but in order,

(58:41):
I would recommend watch X first, and then the last
one is Maxine. It's set in the eighties. It's got
all the cool hair and the clothes. And now that
one has a lot more star powering because you've got
gen Carlo Esposito is in it, and Kevin Bacon is
like this sleazy like private Dick in it. He's fucking great.
He's definitely a sleeze ball. And you know, there's a
guy who owns a video shop and there's a lot

(59:04):
of cool stuff that takes you back to the eighties.
So if you're old enough to remember that era, this
will kind of, you know, kick in some memories for you.
And Maxine basically is the character from X. You know,
I'm trying not to spoil it too much, but the
one one of the final girl from X. It's just
what is she doing now? How did her life take.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
On after X?

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Because an X, you wanted to be a big movie star, Well,
where's that movie? And it didn't even get made? Did
it get finished?

Speaker 5 (59:28):
Where is it?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Well?

Speaker 4 (59:29):
In Maxine you kind of find out what happens and
you know what's going on. With her after everything that
happened in X and and she's still trying to be
out there in Hollywood trying to do movies and stuff.
And it's a really cool movie. It's a really a
good way to kind of put a bow on the
whole thing. And like I said, tried my very best
not to spoil too much with these movies, but I
think they're.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
All really well done, and you definitely need.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
To check out X, Pearl and Maxine, hopefully in that order,
because I think that'd be the best way to watch them.
Check them out when you get a chance. Definitely got
my endorsement. It not torture whatsoever. I definitely enjoyed all
three of them.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
But that's it for me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
The Infinite Banter podcast is a wrap big up to
Saga for coming on the show, and make sure you
check out this episode and a lot more on all platforms.
Rate and review it. Go on YouTube check out Infinite
Bancher just type it in to the search bar. You'll
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(01:00:26):
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Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
Big up to Saga.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Go check out his new EP with Mac Montana, Best
Story Ever told.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
And until I do another one of these, I'm out.

Speaker 8 (01:00:40):
Hey as all get off the road.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
Being on the Infinite Banner with my man Mark has
been a pleasure.