204. Sacred Geometry, Numbers, & Conspiracy w/ Special Guest Themor76

Today, the hosts and their guest dive into conspiracy theories from 9/11 to Epstein and Diddy, examining media's role and the need for evidence. They explore fame, numerology, and sacred geometry, linking these to events like Kobe Bryant's death. The discussion extends into quantum physics, discussing light's nature, reality, and cosmic mysteries. Thank you to Themor76 for coming on and sharing some killer knowledge! Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole!

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Episode Transcript

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Imagine that this slide higher this point in time somewhere in
the. Past the timeline you put into
this tangent, creating an alternate 1985.
Fortunate to you here, Einstein.For everyone else.

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Welcome back to the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast.
I'm your host, Jeremy, and todaywe got special guests in the
house. We are going to dive down the
conspiracy side of the infinite Rabbit hole today.
We do not have Jacob with us. He from what I understand as a
Boo Boo, I don't know exactly what it is, something with his

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back. Hopefully he's all right.
But we do have old EF free here with us.
Jeffrey, what's going on, dude? Just gelling bro kind of full
right now. I just had big old fat slice of
fresh baked bread and I covered it with olive oil and fresh.
That was my snack. It was did.
You toast it. No, it was fucking fresh baked.

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You don't have to. You took you took fresh baked
bread and you drizzled olive oilon it.
You didn't make it soggy. No, no, no, dude, I got the the
butt piece so it's like nice crispy.
It was fucking perfect bro. Don't question dude.
I'm I'm a fucking gourmet chef, dude.
You don't know about me. You don't know me.
Gourmet. That's a big word.

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Anyways, the more is our guest today, the more what's up dude?
Hello hello hello, welcome to conspiracy land.
Rabbit hole, huh? Hell yeah, man.
Infinite rabbit hole. Let's go.
Let's see how deep this infinitereally is.
But the people from the chat will know you, you've hung out
in the chat quite a few Times Now and you definitely see that

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you're you're absent from the chat tonight, used to seeing
your name over there, throwing up some love for Jeff.
Today's going to be a a good one.
Today's going to be fun. I'm not as deep as these two
guys are into the conspiracy things, but I I'm versed in it,
Jeff. Jeff said I was well versed in
it, but you know, I don't know. I I I wouldn't necessarily

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describe myself as well versed in conspiracy, but I can hold my
own. You know, you know, The thing
is, is like, you know enough, you know, there's The thing is,
if I to me, a true conspiracy theorist, right?
And I take that term honestly with like a badge of honor.
I know some people try to like push themselves away from that
term or whatever. I wear it like a badge of honor.

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Now, I think a real true conspiracy theorist is not one
who believes any of these crazy things necessarily, but at least
is open to entertaining the ideas.
And, you know, we could go down the list and at least like name
the project or name the organization or name the person
and like, you know who these people are and shit.

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Right? Like you can kind of, you can
see the web. So yeah, you're, you're well
versed. You see the web.
I. Wouldn't I?
I think I'm versed. We'll test.
We'll test me today. We'll see if I'm well versed,
possibly we'll get a we'll get aconspiracy grade from Jeff and
the more today see possibly. Man, and you know, you asked
about like talking about 911 or anything in particular.

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And I, you know, I don't like toput myself in a box necessarily
doing these shows on my show. I usually just kind of shoot
from the hip, right? So I think that's a good idea.
So I guess really what I would ask is does anybody here know of
anything that's happened recently in the last week that
or anything has been on your mind in particular that is like
something you want to talk about?
So I think it's official. Jeff wants to talk about the

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fires. That's what he's trying to push
right now. You can see through his lies.
Everybody look at them. Look at them.
I haven't even been, I haven't even been paying attention to
the fires. However, I did talk to Old Scary
World last night for two hours about about the fires and like
smart city initiatives and all the Great Reset and all that
shit. It was pretty, pretty good
conversation. Yeah, Were you on a show?
Now he came on. We did a impromptu live last

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night. Oh, no shit, man.
Cool. Well, why don't we?
Why don't we leave it up to the guest, man?
Let's see what? See what our guest wants to talk
about. Guess the more.
What do you want to talk about, Dean?
Yeah, thanks, man. So the first thing that comes to
mind when you guys were talking there is the idea of the I want
to Believe poster in the back, right?

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Like a good conspiracy theorist understands that you're going to
have a bias, right? You want to believe.
Not that, you know, that's not saying I know something back
there. That's saying I want to believe.
Meaning give me all the information available and let's
evaluate it. We'll go from there, right?
You know, put all your cards on the table.
Let's see what they are. Then maybe we can piece this

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together. We can figure out what happened,
right? Like a good, good story or a
good book. There's lots of parts to it.
You skip to page 58. You missed the beginning, the
middle, and now you're trying tofigure out what happened.
You're not going to know, right?You're on page 58.
You have to read what happened before or to, you know, give it
context to give it understanding, right.
So I think for conspiracy theorists in general, there's

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something that usually happens when they recognize that they're
no longer in a state of believing they've grown up and
they're able to prove something,right.
So I think it starts with all ofus like Santa Claus, right?
It's a very obvious and straightforward example.
Santa Claus. Well, I always wanted to believe
in Santa Claus, therefore I believed in Santa Claus.

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But we knew that that want wasn't enough.
We had to have proof or evidenceof Santa for Santa to be real.
And we're disappointed, right? So we have come across these
stories, these ideas that are being given to us.
We evaluate them, you know, we take them at take them at face
value. We try to get other people's
opinions, other sources, more information, then we try to draw

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some sort of conclusion. But if you're in the game long
enough, you're going to come across something that you can
actually demonstrably, empirically prove, and you're
going to go, oh, wait, this is no longer about belief.
There are people lying. I know they're lying.
They're lying straight face to me and they're taking my money

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for these lies. And then you feel a little
different about it, right? And you can brush that off to,
to say, you know, that's just the way the world works.
You know, that's just the way itis, You know, deal with it where
you can go, well, this, this is wrong, right?
And then you can take it upon yourself to have a moral issue
with the way things are being done.

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And then you're in a different position then, right?
You're almost in a confrontational situation where
you're at war, right? The Alex Jones, you know,
they're turning the frogs gay. You know, the idea is that
they're literally trying to attack you all the time.
And one of the things that came up and we were talking before we
launched the show was this George Soros, right?

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Who is this character George Soros?
How long has he been doing what he does?
And why do we as conspiracy theorists associate his name
with not so good things? On the other hand, he's in the
White House getting what the theMedal of Freedom.
Yeah. What are your guys's thoughts on
George Soros? Is this a a character of legend?

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You know, what do we know about?I mean, his his name.
If you pulled up George Soros, you'd find 10s of thousands of
different articles written over the last 20 years about this
guy. Yeah.
This guy is like Sam. Yes, like a very popular name to
be thrown around at a lot of different events.
So what? What are your thoughts on George
Soros? Jeff, you want to go first, man?

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Well, so I probably probably know about as much about George
Soros as the next mother fucker,to be completely honest with
you. Now, I've heard a lot of really
shitty things about George Soros.
Now I'm the first one to question all the narratives.
So, you know, I don't really buyinto the draw.

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I lie. I joke about it a lot, right?
Like, I'll, it's like the thanksObama thing, right?
Like everybody does that when you're walking around and the
milk's fucking $27.00. Like thanks Obama.
You know, so I do like the, the Soros thing because it's kind of
like laughing at both sides of the, the issue.
However, I do think that there is something to the moving of
the of the money to like fuck around with like countries and

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like these like these refugees and fucking around with that
kind of stuff like global turmoil thing.
But again, I don't really know much.
I've only heard these types of things, so I'm open.
I think on the surface, George Soros is a douchebag.

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That's, that's a, that's my surface answer, right?
He controls the world's narrative.
It seems he he owns every media outlet that you can think of,
CNN probably being the biggest one.
But I'm going to be honest with you, I, I don't, I don't know if
he's actually the guy. I think he might just be a

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figurehead. There we go.
So that's got to give me some conspiracy points, right?
I'm, I'm looking behind the guy,the guy, right?
Everyone believes that the, the,the president is the actual
president of the United States, right?
He's the guy that does all the all the things and he makes all
the decisions and changes all the other things and makes other

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decisions. But really, like, once you Start
learning about the stuff like the more was talking about and
you start seeing things for whatthey are, you start realizing
that the president really doesn't do shit right.
They're they're, they're a controller, right?
They're they're a controller foryour favorite gaming console, if
you will. Somebody is is putting the
inputs into the controller and they're getting the outputs on

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their screen and they're gettingexactly what they want.
A lot of people think that that that controller is George Soros.
I don't think it is. I think George Soros is just
another, you know, video game controller.
I don't, I don't think he's really the guy.
I mean, look at him. He's I mean, you know, I'm not
trying to talk shit about old people, but I know that the

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guy's Uber rich. But he, I just don't, I don't, I
just don't see how he's got thatmuch power to do what he does.
I don't know. Does that make sense?
Yeah, I think what you're what you're trying to digest is the
amount of narratives that have been put out with his name.
Yeah, it's it's really like you're saying he controls the

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media. The media, he's frontline
center. As far as his name in the media,
they use it all the time. He's like 9394 years old right
now. So let's be real about his
capacity at this point in his life, right?
But we know that he has a a history of being a financial
success, right? Made a lot of money.

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It's not very clear how he did that.
You know, was it really, you know, like a Warren Buffett
story kind of thing? It's not as well documented, so
to speak, on how George Soros made all his money.
But we know he's super wealthy. Like you're saying he gets
identified most within conspiracy circles of crisis

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actors. If you say crisis crisis actors,
you're saying, oh, that's a Soros funded program, right?
That's like what everybody will like commonly say because that's
what mainstream narrative is, right?
Like it's out there so much thatmost people have this feeling
about George Soros of negativity, but they're not
sure. Like they can't tell you what

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what he did. Like, he's a bad dude, but what
did he do? You have any proof that he's
paying people to lie? Like, I mean, that's a bold
claim that even mainstream mediais spinning.
So you recognize it. Like, there's a whole lot of
different stories about this guy, and they're creating a
boogeyman, someone to hate, right?

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Yeah. It's not the CIA.
It's not Central Intelligence. It's George Soros, a banker that
has to his own agenda, manipulating the politics and
politicians funding fake events to support one political agenda
or another. Like Black lives Matter, George,

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throw us his name will be attached, right?
These these social economic kindof movements, you know, the Wall
Street one that seemed very suspicious, right?
Occupy Wall Street seemed a verysuspicious kind of, you know,
narrative as well as involvementby the community.
Like, what do you mean, Occupy Wall Street?

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This doesn't even make any sense.
How are you going to Occupy WallStreet?
What are you talking about here?What are we going to do?
Soros, right? That must have been a Soros
thing. Yeah.
LGBTQ. That must be a Soros thing,
right? Sponsoring these social
narrative movements of division anytime we're, we're trying to
look at dividing people. He would be a name associated

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with doing this. So we have someone to blame that
it's not a bigger agenda, It's an individual, right?
Like it's a way to contain the, the, the, the responsibility
for, for a massive program, right?
I mean, they're basically sayingthat he's a next level MK Ultra
operative, right? Like this guy is out there to
fuck with your mind and he's putting his money actively

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towards doing it. How is he making money towards
doing that right? Yeah, well, you know, if you ask
me, my, my opinion would be thatit would be something like same
thing with Epstein where you have the figurehead Epstein,
Soros and the money is actually intelligence money that's being
funneled through. And they are just like a either

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a honey pot or a psyop or like, you know, if there is, The thing
is, I'm sure somebody has done the tracking of the money,
right? To be like, oh, look, this money
did come from Soros or Soros's foundations and into these like
programs on some level, right? That doesn't necessarily mean
that he's like in on this big agenda do that, right?

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Because he's got a lot of money and it's moon in a lot of
places. But somebody's done that and
they've at least connected a fewof those dots.
So then I'm questioning like, OK, is this like CIA feeding
money through him to 'cause thisshit to happen so that the blame
doesn't fall on CIA? But I don't know.
That would make sense, right? I mean, it's logical to to
assume that there is no personalbenefit for this individual to

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be involved in all these different narratives, right?
Like what? How?
Why is he making money? How is he making anything money
off of crisis actors? Like how?
The only way that I can think ofis through advertisements on his
networks, right? Because the guy owns a lot of a

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lot of networks, from what I understand.
I'm trying to find it, trying tofind a list of all the networks
that he owns. I just can't find it.
Google's failing me today. Just.
Pull up George Soros wiki page. It'll give you everything I.
Probably should, huh? That makes sense.
I, I, if you go by, I don't know, man, investments, I have

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no idea because he's, he, he's not making enough money to do
what he does off of advertisements on CNN, right?
And there has to be some kind ofreal push behind the reason why
he's drawing up the narratives that he does, right?

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The, the narratives of the worldare all controlled by by the
news networks for the most part,right?
Somebody is, is writing up theirscripts and and making them say
things or having them say things, paying them to say these
things, which we it seems like the world's becoming more and
more aware of it, but we know isn't necessarily true.

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In fact, we know a good portion of what comes out of the
figureheads mouths or talking the talking heads on on most
mainstream news networks is complete bullshit.
But somebody's making them say that.
And by making them say that, youcan see that there is a
absolutely shit ton of people that will eat every single word

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out of these people's hands. And I don't know, I don't know
if the money's maybe the money'scoming from, you know, multiple
different parties that are trying to push agendas.
And he's just like, hey, give mean agenda to push and it'll go
to the to the highest bidder. Right.
It's like he's a money manager, but like his, whatever his

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portfolio, I guess that he's managing his chaos.
Right. And he's like, hey, George Bush,
you want to go to war with Afghanistan and Middle East,
bro? He goes.
You know that. Could be, I'm with that.
I mean that could be, but the more what are you?
What are you? What are you thinking?
Because I know you're like leading us down some path here.
So I'm curious, like I know I'm intrigued.

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Yeah, I think, I think we can try to understand it, but we'll
never know, right? This is a person that's been
made to be in the public profile.
So what you're going to find is nothing but contradictions,
nothing but innuendo and assumptions.
You're not going to find any concrete evidence of anything,

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only conjecture. And I think that's the key here.
And that's what I think is the transition to Epstein is
actually kind of smooth because I feel it's a case of the same
situation. Like understand, you know,
Epstein, what do we know? Well, we've been given a whole
bunch of narratives, but no proof, right?

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There's no, if they actually caught them doing this stuff,
there would be people in the mass in jail, from the
transportation to accommodationsto eyewitnesses to like, people
would be getting rounded up likebig time if they had any
evidence whatsoever. But we're given a narrative that

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all this stuff happened, that heended up in a jail cell and then
he hung himself. And it's a lot to buy, right?
Like, for how little you're given.
But it's so believable because, yeah, of course, you know, the
evil, corrupt powers that be aresick, well, worshipping
monsters, right? Constantly the narrative when it

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comes to these people. So any story that reinforces it,
you have to like seriously question it.
And I think Epstein's one that alot of so-called conspiracy
theorists. Oh yeah, Epstein, you know, of
course, like Podesta, you know, these people are disgusting.
You know, like we can go throughthe laundry list of people that
were sort of incriminated in that situation, but none of them

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got charges. Yeah, Galaine is sitting in
prison for procuring underage children to nobody.
Yeah, what kind of prison is shesitting in?
It's probably. I think this is going to be to
the Moore's point, is she actually sitting in prison?
Because there's no proof of that.
Like we didn't see, we didn't even see her in the court

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hearing, right? Because it was all just, they
didn't allow cameras in there. It was just artist drawing shit.
If you ask me. Some of the drawings didn't even
look like her, right? So it's like, you know, I think
that's probably kind of what theMoores getting at here is like,
none of this even fucking happened.
I think I think we can all agreeand I think this would this
probably go for, I would assume hope or at least hope that this

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would go for basically everybodyin this fucking world is that it
is absolutely incredible the amount of protection that these
people have because the Epstein thing, the ditty thing, the
Pizzagate thing. I mean, if if anybody in you
know, else that wasn't a celebrity or a politician did

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any of this shit, they would've been locked away a long ass time
ago. But like, how long has the Diddy
thing been out now? That came out what, a year ago
now? Six months, 8 months, something
like that. Why are why do we not have the
list of everybody that's been tothese fucking parties and why
are they not put away? We know it was full of fucking

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celebrities. We know that it was full of some
really big fucking names. What?
We don't know that. Oh yeah, we do.
Fuck that. Yeah, we do stop.
Well, come on. I think that it is an important
distinction of what we do know in the ditty thing.
I I am once again of the the Epstein cloth that these

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narratives are being spun so ridiculously often.
We know that they're proven sellers.
People buy them because it's believable narrative, you know,
especially sexually explicit content like this is, this is up
everybody's alley, everybody's buyer, this.
And it's selling. It in six ways from Sunday Man,
podcast, mainstream, you name it.

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Yeah, it's the rich man and and this is something that old Scary
World was talking to me about last night.
He kind of, it made sense to me.It's like you see it with the
fires, right? It's like there's this and and
you saw it with the Luigi Mangione thing.
It's like there's this sentimentout there, you know, eat the
rich, right? And it's like, I think there's
an element of that to these typeto this type of thing too,
right? When we talk about the Diddy,

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the Diddy situation, I'm not saying nothing happened.
I'm just saying, you know, there's got to be at least some
level of feeding the eat the rich narrative with all that.
Yeah. So the P Diddy thing, is it Sean
Combs, is it Puff Daddy or is itP Diddy?
It's all. Is it none of or is it none of
the above like so again, if you're recording artists, you,

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the labels have proven time again that they own you and your
likeness and your image and the music, right?
So the a lot of these people wasTupac really, was that really
his name? No.
No. So a lot of these characters are
created. A lot of these characters are

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created. They have a story arc that, you
know, and they go out with a bang, right?
The Puff Daddy, more people knowhis name now than they ever
have. Like, that's just the bottom
line. And people are going to be
playing his music forever, even if it's just to look for clues
of whether he did something nefarious or if it plays into

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this, you know, idea that's being spun of this character,
right? And it's very easy to vanish if
people don't know your real name, right?
They don't call you that. Yeah, that's true.
So do you. I don't think I think it's.
Easy being famous as people. Sure.

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Do you think or do you put any stock behind like the I don't
know how you explain this stuff,but like there's the idea in the
conspiracy world of like, hey, you know, like when Kobe, when
Kobe died, like hey, there was like the Black Mamba thing going
around. It was like, hey, look at the
day that he died and like there's like numerology involved
in gematria involved and like this was a symbol, like a
symbolic event. So like, maybe he is alive or

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isn't like, do you put any weight behind like the symbology
of of these events? Like, hey, P Diddy, The whole
thing broke about P Diddy on like this day.
There's something there. You asking me?
I was asking the more because I I don't know that you, I know
you don't. Yeah, you were looking to

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gematria rabbit hole. Has gematria ever been something
you looked into? I have.
I mean, again, only in passing on the show, right?
Like I've had people come on here and like break stuff down
for me and it's interest me for long enough till the next guest
came on and I was able, you knowwhat I mean?
Like yes and no. I personally think it's too easy
to. Draw lines between numbers.

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I think if you if you look at something, you make a number out
of it. It's too easy to just pick
anything in this world to draw aline to, you know, be like 911.
Well, that's exactly eight months and three days away from
my birthday. So that must mean that I have,

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you know, some kind of connection to this because eight
and three is 11:00 and 11:00, one plus one, the two digits and
11 = 2. But really, if you look at it as
one number. No, but there's one.
There's like equations that are that are stuck to.
It's not random, but I get what you're saying.
I mean, I guess, I guess I got to know it a little bit better,

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but. About to get wrecked I want.
To hear this, holy shit, you're the reincarnation of Lucifer,
aren't you? As if these numbers mean
something, right? Like I'm with you guys, like
let's not make too big a deal out of this.
But obviously there are communicating in numbers because
numbers is a language and there's very intelligent people

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that see the world in numbers. That's just how they see the
world, right? And we've come across them.
They're like math gurus or math geniuses.
They apply numbers to everything.
And this is just how the world who works for them.
You know, other people are artistic, you know, other people
have no common sense, but they might be professional, you know,
ping pong player or something. You know, it's like we we all

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have different sets of skill sets and, and they try to
communicate to all the differentprofound individuals.
Here's a simple language that you'll understand, right.
So the mathematics people that are very intelligent, yes, they
want to keep them in the loop. They'll put their numerology or
the basic numbers within the story within the information

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that that is being presented sometimes visually and sometimes
in in text, right. So, so yes, there is numerology
being used to communicate very specific message whether they're
taking credit for something or something else.
I remember when I come across probably the most prolific code
that they use is 19. So code 19, it's mentioned in

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the Quran, but I think everybodyidentifies it because these are
all the real numbers, one through 9, right?
So 0 is not a real number. You cannot have nothing.
Either there is something or there is nothing.
In order to count, you have to have something, right?
So you skip 0 and you have one through 9 and it basically is

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your beginning and your end, right?
This is the Alpha and the Omega,the beginning and the end.
So this number is represented innature as the flower of life
with 19 circles, right? So you draw 19 circles and you
end up with the flower of life. So it's also a numerical thing
that points to the grand architect, right?

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The idea that, OK, what is the 19th?
I think it's G anyway. No, it's not GT.
Anyway, the idea, I don't know why that came to my mind.
I looked into it. S the infinite, the S So yeah,

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code 19. Obviously, we know Rona 19.
We know 19 hijackers on 9/11. And some of these are some of
the bigger, more obvious events that we can late 19 with.
But the 19 turns into 33 when you turn those 19 into a cube,
33 circles makes the cube or thesquaring of the circle.

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So when I came across this was like, oh, OK, so we're using 19
and 30 threes as part of understanding nature in reality
and imprinting. OK, a higher level of knowledge
is being conveyed here. Like, yes, we the most
intelligent people here on earthare well aware of what this is

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and what it isn't, and we're communicating that.
So as you become more familiar with how these numbers associate
with reality, you'll start to see that, OK, they're putting
their fingerprint on this information too to to say, OK,
you guys, you know, you more intelligent people, don't worry
about it. You guys that are believing any
of this nonsense, you know you won't see it.

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It's, you know, the idea that the truth in plain sight.
Well, not everybody can see, right?
You can show a picture to somebody and you go, yeah,
that's that's proof of Flat Earth.
And somebody else will say, whatare you talking about?
It's nothing, right? The same picture, right.
So the I'm going to. Ask you about one day.

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So the idea that, you know, we have to be aware of the
different ways they're communicating in order to
identify them. And as you learn more about the
sun, the moon, the stars, the cycles of those, you know, the,
the year, I think the sun is on a 3332 year cycle or something.
That's where you're 30 twos comein, you're 28 days on the lunar

(29:41):
cycle. There's a 13 months cycle.
You know, all these numbers are how, how we've created our
clocks, right? How we've structured time and
our reality. So I don't want to like be
little numbers, but I do think that people get a little crazy
with them too. Yeah, I mean, I'm super

(30:02):
fascinated by that kind of stuff.
Are you familiar with Micah Dank?
No. What is?
We should get Micah on the show.We can for sure.
Jake would hate that. He would fucking rage quit so
hard. So Micah talks a lot about Astro
theology, right? And how like the, the, the sky
clock is what I call it right? For the dummies, the smooth

(30:24):
brains out there, like me, the sky clock basically is, you
know, the zodiacs and the the dates and the times and like all
of the secret knowledge that waspassed on through generations
and through religions and, and all these stories and shit.
That was all just ways for them to kind of keep track of the sky
clock. And only like the Super elite
really know and understand the sky clock and, and the things

(30:46):
that happen on certain intervalsand like they're still doing it
today, in my opinion, right? That So when this shit happens,
it's it's kind of like what you're saying.
It's like they're, I don't know,I just kind of lost my train of
thought, but. So from the from the eclipses,
knowing exactly when eclipses are going to happen right to

(31:08):
other phenomena like comments, Haley's comment, other, other to
meteor showers, feeding meteor showers, other meteor showers.
This stuff is happening in a pattern and the pattern is
identified numerically. And yes, they're well aware of
these things that are unique to our sky, and the rare ones are

(31:28):
celebrated. And yes, these events will
correlate with the celebration of these changes, right?
One of the major changes Age of Aquarius into the age of
whatever, right? So your ages will be celebrated
in different ways. Your lunar and solar events will
be celebrated in different ways.Are you a believer in the sky

(31:50):
clock at all? Astro Theology.
I don't know how far Astro theology goes.
Yeah, this. Everything in the sky is doing
incredible patterns, geometric patterns, perfect circles for
all the stars around Polaris and24 hours a little bit less,
never changing. And you know, like I was saying,
the moon is clock, 28 day cycle,perfect cycle.

(32:12):
Sun is a clock, you know, does the exact same thing all the
time. So the precision of the sky and
the reliability of the sky is obviously how we've constructed
our whole idea of time. It's all, it's all based on
that, whether it's months, days,years, minutes, seconds, all of
it. Yeah, it's interesting to me

(32:34):
because, you know, back in in ancient days, they would use
that knowledge, just like you said, of a comet that is super
rare, whatever it is, to controlpopulations, as I would say,
right? Like, you know, generals or
emperors or whatever. They would send the armies to go
wait, you know, over the hill for months because they knew
that, you know, a comet was going to come through that only

(32:54):
comes once every whatever. And then once that comic came,
like they knew, hey, like that would symbol to the enemy that
their gods were angry or some shit, right?
Like, you know, you get what I'msaying.
Like they would utilize these events or like for for human
sacrifice events, right? They would wait.
Not all cultures. Some cultures would do this shit
all the time, but some cultures would wait till like blood moons
or whatever the case was to do these sacrificial rituals.

(33:17):
Because the people who had no idea that these events were
about to happen, when it did happen right after a sacrificial
ritual, they'd be like, Oh my God, it's real.
So I think that the the elites are still using it today.
But since we know more about time now as a civilized culture,
they're doing it in other ways. Like they're just communicating
that, hey, we still carry this knowledge by example.

(33:41):
Taking out Kobe on such and sucha day with helicopter number
whatever, right? Kobe knew about all this stuff
too. He was.
He was definitely well aware. Yeah, Kobe faked his death.
There is no helicopter crash in Calabasas that didn't happen.
There's no bodies, there's no helicopter, there's nothing
there. Just look at the crash site for
sure. Man, I don't know.

(34:02):
I've seen pictures, man. I know.
I know pictures are getting faked.
I know, I know. But I've seen fucked up shit
from that. But back to numbers.
I find numbers fascinating, but I definitely don't find them
fascinating in the same way thatyou guys look at them.
I look at them from, you know, ascientific point of view.
And I look at things like my the19th circle thing, the flower of

(34:24):
life. I've heard of the flower of
life. I have no idea that it was, it
was a combination of 19 circles.It's very interesting.
That is a that is a very predominant pattern in a lot of
like geometric studies. I guess that's the best way that

(34:44):
I can explain that. But one of one of my absolute
favorite things in the world is the golden ratio, right?
Some people know it as the golden spiral and it is 1.618.
And if anybody, if you ever seenlike a conch shell or anything
that makes a spiral in nature, they all follow this, this, It's

(35:05):
incredible how they all follow the same spiral pattern with the
same degree of bend OR change. I'll bring it up for for anybody
who doesn't know what the the golden ratio is, this is the.
Flower of life right here. Yeah, it is that that was pretty
interesting. But I'm going to be honest with

(35:26):
you, man, I don't, I personally don't believe that the puppet
masters of this world are following anything to do with
numbers. I know that there's this, you
know, the big theory about, you know, like Satanic cults and how
they need to tell you before they do it or they need to tell
you what they're doing because that's part of their belief
systems and that they, they follow, you know, specific

(35:48):
dates. Everything's symbolized down to
dates times, the amount of people that are doing something,
the amount of countries that signed this tree or whatever,
right? I don't personally see that as
important. I think that if you look at
something like the golden ratio,I wish I'll bring up here in a
minute. And I'm not, I'm not a religious

(36:09):
person, but I look at things like the golden ratio and how
well numbers and math works out,especially, you know, as we
unravel the, the, the script of nature, if you will.
I find those numbers extremely interesting.
And if they were, let's say if if the the bad people were were

(36:31):
working off of numbers on the same line as nature, I think it
would make more sense. But from everything that I've
heard, it just doesn't seem to line up except for what you said
there with the moon phases. I thought that was pretty
interesting. And I actually.
I'm sorry, can you just repeat what you said you thought about
the the flower of life? What do you think it was you

(36:54):
said? Some of you were like, I didn't
think it. I don't.
I don't know, I, I feel like, I feel like I lost something
there, but go ahead. Sorry.
OK, damn it, now I don't know where I was.
My bad bro, I'm sorry. I'm sorry man.
I lost track of what you were saying and I was trying to.
Catch me too. Oh, oh, that's what I wanted to
talk about the moon phases. While you guys were talking and

(37:16):
you had brought up the number 19.
I had to look into the number 19just, you know, whenever
somebody brings anything up thatthat sounds interesting, like
when you say, hey, there's a, there's a thing with the number
19, the 19, right? And then you brought up the 19
circles and the flower of life and I was like, oh, wow, I've
seen that before. That's a geometric pattern that
I'm familiar with. It's very cool.

(37:38):
Let me look into this nineteen thing.
And then you said something about the moon phase has taken
28 days, right? 19 days one way, 19 days the
other way. And I thought that that was very
interesting. So I specifically looked up to
get information or to basically Fact Check, right, and see if
that was true. And I came across another

(37:58):
interesting moon fact with the number 19.
According to the fax site.com, it takes approximately 19 years
for the lunar phases of the moonto appear again on the same day
of this of the year. For example, the moon was full
on August 15th in both the years2000 and 2019.

(38:22):
That's interesting. See, that's that's where numbers
line up with nature, and I thinkthat that's very cool.
There you go, another 19. So I'm, can you hear me OK?
I'm not lighting up very well. Am I lagging?
Am I lagging? I think you're hearing me lag a
little bit. No, we can hear you fine.

(38:45):
OK, I'm not hearing. OK, cool.
I just want to make sure that I'm I'm good to talk.
So, yeah, definitely with the numbers and, and nature is the
path we need to take to understand how they're using
these numbers to communicate their belief system or their
association of knowledge, right?This is this is what sacred
geometry is really all about. We talked about the 19 circles

(39:08):
and the flower of life. What you'll find is Jeff, your
your little pendant thing. There was a great example.
One of the most predominant forms of nature and the
strongest geometric form is the hexagon.
And what the 19 flowers, 19 circles ends up showing you is a
hexagon, right? So this hexagon shape is found
all over nature, honeycomb, right?

(39:31):
Basalt formations, turtles backs, flies, eyes, perfect
geometric shape, right? So the idea that, OK, this
flower of life is giving you information about reality,
right? And with the Fibonacci sequence,
where the golden ratio is another very significant one,

(39:51):
right? So we see the spiral of life or
the idea of the Fibonacci sequence showing itself all over
nature like you're saying with flowers, plant life, animals.
It's represented in in the humanbody as well.
You want to look into the numberof vertebrae in your spine.
But this is also correlation to numerology numbers and what
you'll find. But the Fibonacci sequence is

(40:14):
interesting because this is where I was going going with the
letter G The letter G or God or the big G is a letter that is
telling you. This is the Fibonacci sequence.
If you draw AG, you're drawing the Fibonacci sequence, the
spiral of life and and where do you find this?

(40:34):
G predominant? The Freemasons, right?
What are they giving you? The tool, the square and the
compass to draw circles and straight lines, squaring the
circle. What's at the middle of this?
The fingerprint of God himself, the Creator, the Fibonacci

(40:55):
sequence, right? That's right at the center.
So understanding the symbolism behind what they're showing you,
a lot of people look at that andgo, yeah, yeah, whatever.
They're architects or something,they're just tradesmen.
But if you understand how their tools are used to identify real

(41:17):
things in nature, replicate them, recreate them, you
understand. Well, that's they're giving you
knowledge right there that they're showing you.
Here's the Fibonacci sequence, here's the square in the
compass, your vectors, your measurements, and how you
identify that this place is created.
That I think that underlying, weall know that this place

(41:38):
probably has some sort of purpose.
We're not all buying into The Big Bang of nothingness to
something to random, you know, single cells turning into us,
right? We are the most intelligent life
form on this place, this creation, and we're able to

(41:59):
figure these things out. We're able to observe, measure
and test and prove things like this cannot be by chance that a
fly's eyes have perfect hexagons.
It's not by chance, right? It's not by chance that all of
our senses work in harmony. We can't identify how they work,
right? But we know they do.

(42:21):
We can observe, measure, and test to prove that they are
real, that our eyes work the waythey work, our hearing works the
way it sound works, the way it works.
Light works the way it works. And then when you recognize, oh,
OK, so some of these symbols tell you more than what
mainstream tells you. Like mainstream is lying to you

(42:41):
about all this shit. You're like, oh, wait.
But if I look into what they're telling me, then it's a
completely different story, right?
Like what is light? Is light a wave or a particle?
This duality of light. They can't even tell you what
light is, but they say that light has a speed.
Well, how does light have a speed if you can't tell me what
it is? Right?

(43:03):
They tell you, OK, a virus is real.
Well, if you can't isolate a virus and you can't show it to
me, then how's it real? We have to be able to use the
tools we're given to observe, measure and test reality.
And a lot of that is communicated through math.
It's like, OK, here's here's, here's mathematical
interpretation. And that means that we're able

(43:23):
to count it. And if we're able to count it,
that means it exists, right? So it's a way of it's a, it's a
language of saying, you know, weknow some shit and they encode
it with, you know, hey, we know some shit. 666 You think that
has anything to do with the devil?
Or does it have to do with knowing some shit?

(43:43):
Right? And what's interesting to me is
that things like the flower of life, that if you believe that
the narrative it was found in, Ithink the oldest one was found
in Egypt in one of the ancient temples. 56000 years old
according to their dating, right?
I would say that's probably morelike 30,000 or something, or
300,000. But they say at least 6000 years

(44:07):
ago, You know. What the fuck did they know?
I just bought 3 books on sacred geometry.
Thank you, because it's something that I haven't looked
into and it's a new subject to me and of course I had to do
that. Well, this is going to turn him
man, because you know what, man,I'm not going to lie to you,
dude. This is one of the things that
actually got me like like kind of broke my me out of the matrix

(44:30):
is the best way. Well, was getting into like
sacred geometry and like that kind of thing.
I like the way that he's approaching this stuff, right.
You get a lot of people who comeon or people that I've talked to
in the past that will will put something in front of you and
say, you know, I'm and I'm not trying to to use this against

(44:50):
you. The more I'm just using this as
an example. But like they'll come on and be
like 911 was a hologram, right? And I'll be like, OK, cool, How
do you know that? And they'll be like, well, just
because it look, man, look, that's a hologram and it's like,
man, it doesn't do it for me. But when you break it down into,
into its smallest bits, right, and you start to build it up.

(45:12):
This is this is going back to what the more was saying very,
very early in, in the episode when he was talking about the
poster up here, like you want tobelieve, break it down into the
smallest things. And that's how my mind works,
right? So when you start talking about
things such as secret geometry, when you're talking about how
the, the, the shapes of a, of a,of a family's eye, and then you
start thinking about a whole bunch of other things too,

(45:34):
right? The flower of life just happens
to be a hexagon. What else happens to be a
hexagon that we see in nature, right?
What about the, the poles of, ofSaturn or poles of Mars, right?
We, we've, we've talked about this a couple times here on that
this podcast before. And Jeff, can you bring up a
picture of that of? What?

(45:54):
The poles of I can't remember ifit was Mars or if it was Saturn.
I think it was Saturn, right? The poles of Saturn, the clouds
or whatever they are, they make this perfect hexagon.
It's it's, it's, it's incrediblyinteresting how they do it or
how it's like that. And you know, I know we've,
we've talked about multiple times how look at that thing,

(46:15):
look at it. That's fucking incredible.
Disclaimer, these are artists renditions.
They are. This is paint by numbers.
This is not real pictures of space.
Correct. But right, they, they, they do
the paint by numbers thing. That's exactly what I was just
about to get into, is that, you know, we've talked about this
multiple times here on the show about how, you know, space is

(46:39):
fake. And and, you know, it's not
necessarily something that I believe, but I do know, I do
know that NASA takes informationthat they, they're not actually
feeding you pictures, right? They're they're feeding you
information. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
And they're they're faking gay. They're they're doing the paint
by numbers thing and they're putting it out as official
pictures, but it's really not right.

(47:01):
And we've talked about the Van Allen.
But back to the hexagon. Back to the hexagon.
Let's not go down there. Listen, man, yes, you know, and,
and like, I like, I like talkingto Jake sometimes.
I mean, I like talking to Jake all the time and you know, he's,
he's been trying to, to get me to, to read the Bible and stuff.

(47:22):
And, and, and one day I, one dayI do want to read it, right?
It's, it's, it's part of my curiosity.
I am curious of what it says and, and how I'll interpret it.
But you know, it's, it's when you, when you show me things
like this, where there's mathematics or, you know, these,

(47:42):
these equations in nature that create these shapes and you know
what, what, what's 1 of the, the, the one rules of nature,
one of the one laws of well, not, I wouldn't say a law, but
the thing that you hear from when you're a kid, right?
There's no straight lines in nature.
But yet, you know, you see like,like the more was talking about

(48:05):
the eyes of, of fly, right. Well, there is straight lines of
nature there. There's your, your example.
I feel like that is a better piece of evidence for a creator
than someone telling me there's a creator or somebody telling me
like, Hey, you should believe this conspiracy theories or this

(48:25):
conspiracy theory because there's a, there's this whole
ocean of people that also believe it, right?
I mean, I, I don't know, explainthat very well.
I'm very eloquent on how you, you know your position and, and
what you're looking for in your journey, right?
All of us are looking for different things in our journey
and when we come across proof ora mind melting like hits you in

(48:46):
the face like, well, isn't that obvious?
It changes the foundation in which you stand, the ideas that
you build off of, right? You're like, OK, so if this is
true about water or this is trueabout light, therefore I can
apply it to everything I know about water and light, right?
And it changes fundamentally howyou see the nature of your

(49:09):
reality and what it, what it is and how it works.
So definitely looking into the geometry, you know, so the
hexagon is, is an awesome one because it really is everywhere.
And I think it's so fundamental that the actual fabric of
reality is built off of it. This formation, the it's the
so-called ether. So they say that the bees can

(49:31):
start at any three points and make perfect straight perfect
hexagons. Now, if you've ever tried to
build anything using three different reference points, this
is nearly impossible to map out and project exactly where it's
going to be without using tools to sort of mark where to start
right in, in three-dimensional space.

(49:52):
So they can still can't figure out how they do it.
Another thing they can't figure out with bees is how they
actually fly in a straight line back to the hive.
It's, it's, you know, they can track the, these bees, no matter
where they get, where they go, as soon as they're done, they
make a bee line to the hive. That's where we get that
terminology bee line from. They, they take a perfectly

(50:14):
straight line. The Quran actually comments on
this and they say the bees take God's roads.
So we have, we have a what's called an electrical nature.
I don't want to call it an electric universe.
That terminology sort of goes too far.
But the electric grid on Earth is well known.
We know that the higher you go, the atmosphere becomes more and

(50:37):
more charged. But the increase in voltage and
ampage, the higher we go, we measure it directly, right?
And the ground is actually a ground or a negative.
So you have everything above earth is positive, everything
below it is a negative. This is the electrical nature of
reality. But how does that grid actually
exist? I think it's through hexagons.

(50:59):
Because some of the most fundamental things like you see
with the salt flats, we the, theBolivian salt flats are
something like 4000 square milesof flat land.
Some of the most amazing photography you've ever seen in
your life has been taken in the Bolivian salt flats.
And what you'll notice is when it dries up, the salt is forming

(51:19):
perfect hexagons on the ground. The rocks, the salt formations
are forming perfect hexagon in rock like I was talking about
with turtles backs. It's also there.
So what is a pentagram? What is what is at the center of
a pentagram? The center of a pentagram or a
star is a perfect hexagon, right?

(51:42):
So I think that what the NASA was sort of alluding to is I
believe it's Saturn who actually, over the course of its
journey throughout the sky throughout the year, like the
Sun and Alema, I think it's called, makes an Infinity
symbol. Have you seen that?
The path of the sun over years time and you mark it every day
at the same time and it ends up creating an Infinity symbol.

(52:03):
Yeah. If you do that with Saturn, I
believe it creates a Pentagon shape so that.
Yeah, I think I've seen that, yeah.
The tracing of that the the the movement of it ends up forming a
hexagon at its core. You guys know about some?
Yeah, patterns developed by sound waves.

(52:24):
Right, Jeremy, you're familiar with this?
Yeah. We, we've, we've talked about
this a couple times, I think. I think this is very interesting
too. So the thing that's interesting
to me just to kind of, I want tojust bridge it back to like the
ancient, like our ancestors, right?
Because I think there's something really important about
like what they knew that it seems like we don't now, right?
Well, some of us do, but not generally speaking.

(52:45):
You know, when you if Jake was here, you know, he would verify
this. But like in the Bible it says,
and I don't know the exact quote, but you know, God spoke,
right? And he spoke this the universe
or life or whatever the words are creation into existence,
right? So in my opinion, that would be
a version of a vibration, like asound vibration, right?

(53:06):
And then when you think about what here I Googled this just as
well, what does the ohm mean in Hinduism, right?
When that's the symbol that you see?
I don't have my screen shared, but it's this other symbol on
this other pendant I have. It's it's the classic ohm symbol
everybody knows about. That is the sacred sound of the
universe, right? It's a vibrational sound of the

(53:29):
universe. And then when you look at like
the hexagon on top of Saturn, right, And you look at cymatics
here, let me just share this real quick because when I when I
flip between the two, it just makes sense.
It clicks. I'm probably going to like, you
see the the hexagon, right? And then if I switch, it doesn't

(53:52):
let you switch immediately. That's so lame.
Yeah. And then Cymatics right here,
boom, it's the same thing, right?
It's a lot of. What you see when you look at
the stars for sure. Yeah, when you.
Yeah, exactly when people are like zooming in on stars with
telescopes or whatever, cameras and shit like that, that you're

(54:12):
getting like that weird plasma thing that everybody talks
about, it's a cymatic vibration.And when you look into what a
hologram is, this is where, likeyou get into holographic
universe stuff. When you look at like just how
we make holograms, it's just light and sound, right?
And they, they focus the light beam and the sound and like, I

(54:33):
don't know, I'm not smart enoughto know exactly how it's done.
But that's pretty much all it is.
And that's what the ancient people, our ancestors believed,
that the universe was created through sound, right?
And then light, right, let therebe light.
Like light and sound were the two functions that created all
things in this universe. So that's kind of like what I've

(54:53):
been believing for the last 10 years of my life, I guess.
I resonate with that. I definitely, I definitely feel
once you look in the light, you get into a couple interesting
phenomena, right? Is light a waiver, a particle?
Is it physical or non physical? So does it we measure it, does

(55:14):
it have a size, a shape or is itnon physical?
Does it exist as a frequency, a wave, Right.
So you know, when you say sound,I think frequencies.
So the the light thing, that's along time ago.
There was an experiment called the double slick experiment.
We talked about it here in the show a couple times when we
covered the simulation theory when we talked with Grayson on

(55:38):
the first one, then we talked towith Rizwan Verk on the second
one. The double slick experiment
basically was a I'm going to fudge up that the times and
everything's I don't have it in front of me, but it was from a
very long not very while ago. Basically it was a way of
proving the existence of superposition the more.

(55:59):
Are you familiar with the superposition?
Yeah, yeah. So basically for, for people
that are listening that aren't familiar with superposition, is
there? It is a, a quantum term and
it's, it basically says that at the quantum level because you
were talking about light, whether or not it's an energy or
matter at the quantum level, things exist in in multiple

(56:21):
forms at one time. And this is where you get the
the Schrodinger cat example right?
You put a cat in a box with a vial of poison.
You leave the room, come back. Is the cat dead or alive?
The cat not hold the bottle. Did the bottle break?
Did it poison the cat? Is the cat dead Until you open
the box and you look inside the box and you observe whether or

(56:42):
not the cat is alive or dead. That cat lives in a position of
superposition or lives in superposition.
It is both dead and alive until observed differently.
This is this is kind of where I'm, you know, I'm, I'm going
with I'm, I'm pushing back against you a little bit here
because light apparently due to quantum physics or you know what

(57:10):
smart people say, right? Light lives in in, in, in, in,
in superposition, right? It is, it is both a a physical,
it's made of matter and it's made of energy.
But it's not until it's observedthat it chooses one of those

(57:30):
paths. And if you look at the double
slit experiment, this is how they proved this.
When you I should just bring up a picture of it because I
probably feel explain it better that way.
See, this doesn't refute anything really.
It's it's. No, no, no.
I know. I know.
It's perfectly with with the idea.
I mean, like, you know, if, if Italked about this before where

(57:51):
like it's funny that they just now discovered what the photon
looks like, right? And it happens to look exactly
like your eyeball. It looks like the thing that is
used to observe the thing, right?
Without 1, you can't have the other.
It's like what came first, the chicken or the egg.
It's literally like this paradoxthat seems to have occurred
where they discovered what the fucking photon looks like look
like an eyeball. So like to me when I say that

(58:13):
like sound in light is what created the universe, light may
just be the consciousness, lightmight be the the observing,
right. So us observing is the light and
the sound is just that superposition that the
possibility, all possibilities in a wave, right?
So that's a philosophical take on it, I guess, but.

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Basically, the experiment is best proven through this picture
right here. OK, Now for people that are
watching this, this is, this is a laser pointer basically,
right? And you have a sheet of whatever

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material we'll call paper and there's two slits in it.
Now if, if light was an energy, which is what we believed it to
be for a very long time, if you shine the, the light through
these slits, you should only get2 pictures on the next the next

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sheet, right? Because there's no physical
anything to it. There's no matter to it.
So there is no bouncing, there is no reflecting, there's no
nothing. But in fact, when you shoot a
laser, which is all it is, is condensed light, right?
It's nicely tightly bundled beamof light shined at these slits.

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You do get some reflecting and bouncing that happens and that's
how you get the multiple bars over on the back sheet.
So this is how they proved that light is actually both a, an

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energy and matter. I know I kind of, I, I just
wanted to get that out. I wanted to explain that to
people. The more I know I I kind of went
down. A different path in you there,
and I apologize for that, but I just wanted to get that out.
No, I, I think that the questionwas, you know, what is light and

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understanding what light is is abig clue, right.
So I'm going to agree with most almost everything you what you
said, maybe except for your conclusion on this is how we
know what it is and it's both. So I'm not going to say that
it's both. I think we have, we have an
understanding of light in a frequency capacity.

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This is how on the spectrum of frequencies we can identify
which ones are the light from infrared to near infrared to
green spectrum, Blues, every spectrum of color has its own
frequency and this is how we create LEDs.
We use frequency to to manifest light, to create light.

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Now the LE DS are not emitting anything physical whatsoever.
There's nothing coming out of them except for a frequency.
And a frequency is considered non physical right?
So the double slit gives us 2 patterns.
One pattern is of a non physicaland one pattern is of physical,
right? Is light a wave or a particle?

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That's the question we're tryingto answer because we do the same
thing and we get two different patterns.
So I wouldn't say that the laseris emitting anything physical
whatsoever. It shows you that it can be one
or the other based on observation is what the double
slit says. The double slit says that it can

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come out of the laser as a photon or a wave, a physical or
a non physical thing based on how you observe it or when you
observe it, right? Yep.
So they took this thing a littlebit further.
But before we go there, the ramifications of that are just

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fucking mind blowing. Do you understand how to apply
that to anything you see in the sky?
Yeah. Could does that mean that
everything in the sky could exist in a non physical form
until I observe it? Well, that's basically the gist
of superposition, right? And, and superposition is, is a
term for the quantum level of things, right?

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And that's, that's the, that's basically, there's a, there's
these theories that are out there that if anything happens
in the quantum realm, it could also how it happened in the
micro and macro as well. We just don't know how to yet.
Or this could be one of those things which would align with
more or less what you guys thinkabout, you know, certain things

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such as holograms and stuff. The manipulation of
superposition could create something along the lines of a
Project Bluebeam kind of scenario that that would be
interesting to look and see whatthe implications are.
One superposition. Yeah, definitely.

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On the macro level. The quantum ideas, the ideas
sold to people, the public as quantum, the quantum realm, that
terminology becomes really confusing because we're trying
to figure out like, well, why doyou say that?
I mean, you can come up with a term that it does magic things,
and that's basically what a lot of the quantum terms do, like

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superposition. That's magic.
I mean, basically what that means is that it exists
everywhere at the same time. It's like, well, but it doesn't.
Like nothing exists everywhere at the same time.
If it did, then we wouldn't exist, right?
Like it would fill space if you can't have that thing existing
everywhere at once, because I'm here and I wouldn't be here if

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that thing was filling that. Space but superposition is also
one of the best arguments for the multi universe theory or the
multiple universe theory where you know every decision that we
make splits off into into dual dual existences right where you
know to answer your what you said, if if we can live in a in

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a state of superposition, we would both be here and not be
here which. Should remind like, like we have
no, we have no reference frame to understand.
Like what? Like that's a that's an idea.
And I love, you know, philosophy, right?
It's, it's a thought experiment.It's like, OK, you know, what

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came before God? How did he get here?
You know, there's infinite reductions in situations.
Like you just come across paradoxes and stuff like that.
And I'm not trying to dismiss any of this terminology.
I'm just trying to say that it'svery foreign to us and we need
to think of analogies to be ableto describe it in reality, or
even better, show it the actual phenomena that exists where this

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terminology came from. So the quantum realm really
starts with the double slit experiment.
They get into trying to figure out how how is this possible?
How is it possible that our observation can manifest
reality, can turn something froma non physical state into a
physical state and actually manifest light like this is
magic. So what the quantum realm did is

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they said, OK, let's take this one step further and let's find
out if it's the actual observer that's collapsing the wave
function and creating the mass or the matter, the existence of
a physical thing or is it something else?
So what they came up with this experiment called the delayed
choice quantum eraser. I'll explain the term.
I'll. Explain the terminology first,
just so it simplifies. They're giving the light a

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choice, a delayed choice, meaning at different intervals
of time they're going to be recording this light, right?
So there's a choice and it's delayed.
So multiple options, delayed quantum means to count.
Don't make it any more complicated than that.
Either you can count it or you can't, right?
0 does not exist, right? So if you're not counting

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anything, it doesn't exist. So we're counting and then
eraser, we can no longer count. It's saying a paradox.
OK, I'm on one hand, I'm counting and now I can no longer
count. So another paradox arise.
So this paradox is explained by a demonstration.
It's not really an experiment because we're not manipulating

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the variables, right? And an actual experiment, you
got to manipulate independent and dependent variables to
understand the cause and effect relationship.
We're not even able to go that far.
All we can do is demonstrate or observe, measure and test.
And this is square one of the scientific method.
I'm not going to discount it, but an actual experiment, you
have to actually manipulate the variables in order to determine

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the cause. And we can't do that.
We can only observe the effect. So we're not even trying to
figure out how what this is doing.
We're just trying to understand what the effect is and how that
works. And what two other two other
terms come out of this demonstration that are also in
line with your super positioningand they call it quantum
entanglement. So the idea that, OK, your

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superposition could be a real thing if something way over
there knows what something way over here is doing without a
physical connection between themor physical way for them to
communicate this information, right?
How do they know at the same time, right, so that they're
entangled, meaning whatever one does, the other one knows that

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it did it and vice versa. And instantaneous action at a
distance, right? This is another idea.
If it's in line with super positioning, the idea that
everything is everywhere, so instantaneous action at a
distance is pretty straightforward.
It's meaning, you know, how muchtime is it actually taking for

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something to be communicated from point A to point B?
And can we measure it? And what quantum Eraser says is
no, you can't measure it how fast it's going because it
breaks down time barriers, right?
We're seeing something happen inthis demonstration that goes
back in time or something that knows prior to something

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accomplishing its doing. So how does we measure at one
station prior and other stationslater?
The first station that gets measured says this result, and
the only way it knew that resultis by the completion of the
entangled photon going where it was going.
So is this really like coming down to like, OK, because I'm a

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smooth brain, right? So I am.
Is this just like because to me I'm just thinking like fate or
no fate, right? Is fate a thing?
Is this one pre designed universe with AI mean times not
linear, but you know, like a timeline, I guess, and the
things that happened happened. Or is it like multiverse and

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we're like peering and merging and you know, infinite universes
Thing is, it is that what we're saying here?
It's like it's going to be one or the other?
Is that what this experiment is kind of designed for?
I think it more points out to the nature of our reality and
how physical things can exist innon physical forms until we

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experience them. So I'll give you a great example
of how this information applies directly to a solution that I
have a hard time with. So I know the earth is flat,
without question. It observes, measures and tests
to be level. But it works like a cylinder.
It works like a ball east to West.

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If you go on a straight line, you ended up the same place.
And this is a paradox, a paradigm, how this cannot
happen. Einstein provides one solution.
He says it's the bending of warping of space and time, not
the physical reality that's bending and warping.
OK, I'm cool with that. But we're also talking about.
General Relativity. We're also talking about the

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idea of manifestation. We live in a world that is full
of information, and the delayed choice Quantum Eraser
demonstrates that it's the information that collapses the
wave function and not the observation.
They remove the observer from the equation.
So this information exists in a way that we can observe,

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measure, test, but we know it's there because we observe the
effects of it. We can't locate it.
We don't know where the sun, themoon, and the stars actually
exist in reality, but we observethe effect of the moon, the sun,
and the stars in our reality, right?
The the frequencies that are generated, we don't know where

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they come from or how they exist, but they're omnipresent,
right? Like the idea of how a radio in
your car works. So these invisible frequencies
are carrying this information toyour car.
Well, those frequencies on that dial exist in nature.
We didn't make them. We're not broadcasting them.

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We didn't create them. They exist in nature. 91 point
592.8 all these exist within nature.
All we do is piggyback them. We don't know where they come
from. We pig, we piggyback those
signals, those frequencies that exist.
We boost them, give them more energy and release them on their

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you know back and load it up with our information and our
antenna brings it to our radio where it interpret the signal.
So all these frequencies exist everywhere all the time.
Our Wi-Fi is broadcasting. We don't, we don't feel it, we
don't experience it. We know that these phenomena are
affecting things, but we don't manifest the reality or the

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knowledge manifests the reality.So where's this information
being stored? And back to your other question,
with multiple dimensions and then with multiple realities, I
think if we can prove that this place is created, it's a purpose
of reason, has mathematical precision, then you can create
as many as you want. What's what's the limit?

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So do I think this place is special?
Hell yeah. This is what?
It's magnificent. It's beautiful, it's
spectacular. It's amazing.
But who knows? Maybe there are these alien
places that people dream of, that people just can't.
You know, that's their reality. They live in that world.
Maybe that's coming from a real place.
I can't dismiss that because I don't know what's outside this

(01:12:40):
realm, this place. I like that.
That was very good. Very.
Good. You guys hear the Akashic
Records? You ever hear those?
Yeah, man. Oh yeah.
So it's not a new idea that thisinformation is somewhere like,
and we can tap into it, that we're, we're kind of receivers.
We don't even know how our memories are imprinted in our

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brains. Like we can do this on a disk,
right? With ones and zeros?
Fuck, we're about to go down a whole hole right now.
We don't know where we go when we dream, when we dream
consciousness experiments are very fascinating and
understanding just who we are isreally a journey that I think

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the lies are kind of like one part of it.
But the truth is like, wow, thisplace really is magic.
It really is supernatural. It really is magnificent, you
know, and they kind of hide it with all this infighting and
bickering and fear. You know, the asteroids are
going to blow up Earth, the sun's going to explode.
You know, the moon's getting tooclose, too far away.
You know, super volcanoes, nuclear weapons, mass outbreaks

(01:13:46):
of pandemics, pandemics, you know, everything is distracting
you from how magnificent this place really is.
And they're, they're getting people to the point where
they're hooked on drugs trying to escape this reality.
It's like, dude, dude, fuck, just appreciate how magnificent
it is. I'm cool with drugs, but, you
know, try mushrooms or something.
Just chill out. Like you don't have to get on

(01:14:06):
that pharma shit, you don't haveto be taking just fentanyl and
fucking methamphetamines and allthat.
It exists in nature bro. Just go find some good plants
and plant some good plants and you'll be good.
It's all right, man. Yeah, it's interesting that
they, you know, it's called a flow state for a reason, right?
When you get in a flow state in whatever you're doing and it's

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because you're riding those, those frequencies, man.
And like, the information comes to you from what some people
call the Akashic records, right?Like when I'm writing music,
when I'm playing guitar, man, and like, if I'm sitting there
for an hour and I'm just, that'sall I'm thinking about.
I'm not thinking about bills. I'm not thinking about anything
else in the world, man, in the universe except that thing.
And the information just comes to me and the things get created

(01:14:49):
and I'm like, I'm blowing my ownmind.
I'm like, holy shit, this is so sick, right?
And it's like, you know, and then you can put, you can apply
that towards anything. And it's just interesting to me
that that it's called the flow state.
And I know that it's called the flow state for that reason, but
you know, it's all, there's definitely some connection to a
creator of some kind. Now, you know, you can get weird

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with it and say, are we at base level creation, right?
Because then you got people likeDavid Ike who talk about the
hacking of reality, the hacking of the information of light.
So the information that we're consuming in in decoding our
reality could be just hacked from a higher being an alien,
right? So that's always interesting to

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think about too. Yeah, Adam and Eve, two people
started all this. That's that's a bit of a fairy
tale in my mind. But, you know, the creation of
this place, so many questions when it comes to how, you know,
we're given a lot of stories. And I'm not saying that they're
wrong or right. I'm just saying if you can
actually prove some things, these questions become even more

(01:15:54):
dynamic, right? You have an actual foundation
like, well, how the hell did he pull off the sun or she?
In my mind, I think it takes allof our spirits to manifest this
reality, all of our energy. And that gets into some of the
population questions. I don't know if you guys have
ever questioned the population of Earth and how that works.

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There's an agenda behind the population that.
And. What if the?
Same amount of guide What? About what if the same amount of
people have always been on earth?
Same amount? All of them you.
Mean like they just recycle consciousness.
No, like actual populations likethat.
There's not 8 billion people here.

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There never has been. Well, we, we, OK, Yeah, we
talked about that. Wait, is that what you're
saying? I'm just saying, what if about
the same number of people die that are born every day?
Or that there's just always been8 billion people here?
Yeah. You know, I'm just curious like.
Well, I guess I never thought about it that way.
I have thought about, you know, the, there was those theories

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going around a while back. I used to get into it.
Yeah. There's not 8 billion people
here, right? There's only 500 million people
here. And it's like all the censuses
around the world are just fucking fake.
And they do that for, you know, so they can carry on with their
fake money schemes and their fucking scarcity schemes and all
that bullshit. And there's really not that many
of us out there. It's all bots and shit.

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Dead Internet. I think that was what was going
around, the dead Internet theoryshit.
Internet and PCs. Yeah, PCs and shit.
Yeah, population is an interesting one because I come
from one of the most densely populated places on Earth, LA,
right? So I get where when you have a
lot of people in one area, what that looks like.
And then I get on Google Maps orwhatever.

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And I, you know, some of these cities in China, like they built
the whole freaking city. There's nobody in them.
Like they're ghost cities, right?
And ghost towns. And, you know, we're starting to
have a homeless like epidemic inthe United States here.
A lot of people out on the streets in some of these major
cities for sure. And I'm just curious, you know,
as far as how many people there are actually, how do we know

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like the numbers are real like you're talking about?
Yeah, man, I like that. That's the shit I get.
Should we start counting houses?No, you can't do that because
they just pop up whole neighborhoods, man.
I've noticed that especially around here in Central Florida,
man, you know, they're knocking down whole areas of woods, man,
and putting whole neighborhoods there.
And I know part of it's like, you know, the whole Black Rock

(01:18:29):
buying up the land and all that type of shit, but dude, there's
not that many more people like moving here.
It's just doesn't make sense to me that they're building as much
housing as they are unless some smart city shit's coming and
they're going to start forcing people.
I don't know, but it's just weird.
It's weird. So you could go.
My point is like, you can go counting doors, but like, how

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many of those doors are just there?
It's just doors, right? For the facade, it's The Truman
Show. Yeah, it could be rabbit hole.
I hear you. You're pigeon around a little
bit there. Your your name brings back a
memory of discovering the moon for myself.
And I found out that the rabbit,the white rabbit is the face of

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the moon. Face the moon.
You can trace the white rabbit, and as it goes through its
phases, it goes down the rabbit hole.
So this idea of the moon being your white rabbit going down the
rabbit hole. And really it's the only thing
in the sky that looks physical, right?
Looks like a rock. Everything else we see doesn't
look physical. So it's the the one thing that

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you can know for sure what it isjust through observation
yourself throughout your lifetime and asking questions.
So many nations flags depict theCrescent moon and the star start
within it. Pakistan, Turkey, Singapore,
like a lot of countries do it. And it's been recorded by

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astronomers that you can see through it, stars through the
moon. When we see the moon during the
day in the Crescent phases, and it looks like sky blue behind it
and like we can see the blue through the crater sometimes it
presents its transparent situation, right?
And then we have the moon duringits new moon phase when it's no

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longer there, not blocking out any stars.
Where there should be a physicalobstruction, there isn't one as
we trace the path in the moon inthe location where it should be.
The lunar phenomena themselves, it's one of my favorite studies
because there's so much information and if you
understand how your eyes work and how hard it is to see

(01:20:37):
something in focus at distance. My eyes are getting worse.
I see Jeff up there wearing glasses.
Jeff, can you read a newspaper from across the street?
My vision's actually impervious.These are blue blockers, believe
it or not. People, but I bet you still
can't read a newspaper from across the street.
No, probably not. Like, that's just not how our
eyes work, right? The further something is away,

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the harder it is to resolve, thesmaller it gets.
Until we can no longer resolve that information, we cannot see
it and. That's 230 something 1000 miles
away. Yeah, if you think you can see
the detail on something 237,000 miles away or you can see
something, you don't understand how your eyes work.
It's that simple. You don't understand how your

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eyes work, and that's what the Illuminati symbol is.
The Illuminati is saying, look, man, we know how our eyes work.
That's why there's an eye on thepyramid.
That's why there's a triangle. The triangle, what does it
represent? Represents science of
perspective, the hallway science, the train tracks
converging into one and then disappearing at a distance,
right? The tunneling effect, the idea

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that as we look out, the horizonis formed by the convergence of
the sides, the floor and the ceiling.
They come to a point, the floor rises up to your eye level, the
ceiling drops down to your eye level, and the sides converge in
until you can no longer resolve the information.
And this is at specific distances based on, you know,

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environmental factors, how good your eyes are.
But every single person on Earthsees that moon in perfect focus
on the horizon and sees the craters and the details with
their own eyes, glasses on or off, doesn't matter.
The other quite telling thing isthat when it goes above you, you

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know, perfect focus. I can see it perfectly.
Then it goes above you and now it's no no longer in focus and
you can't see any of the detail and it's smaller.
Why is the moon always larger onthe horizon when it's rising and
setting than one above you? I almost hate to say it, but
that's the general relativity from Einstein at work.

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I know you don't like that, but.Well, if you think that explains
this optical illusion of something looking closer and
looking further away, that's OK.But I would say general
relativity doesn't have anythingto do with anything you see,
because Einstein didn't base anyof his information on
observations. No, I would say the argument
against what the Moore is sayingmight be just perspective in

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general, right. And maybe that is what you're
saying, Jeremy, but there's nothing, no reference, right,
So. Yeah, it's all theoretical
physics. Right.
When the moon is straight above you, there's no there.
There's no reference point for size.
Like something out on the ocean,right?
It's kind of hard to determine how big it is or how far away it
is. That's when it's on the horizon.
You have like trees and shit. You have like a reference in

(01:23:31):
your peripheral. Yeah, yeah, OK.
So how are your? But the moon's a hologram, so.
Go ahead then. Yeah, I.
Was just saying how your eyes work is proven science.
You can all do the experiments yourself.
You can take a stick and, you know, walk as far as you want to

(01:23:53):
walk and understand how that information is consolidating,
how you no longer see the guy's feet.
He shrinks, he condenses. That information is lost.
So are you familiar with how faryou can resolve that
information? Are you familiar with Crow 777?
Yeah, yeah, crew. Yeah, I had, I had Crow on the

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show 1 time. He talked a lot about this kind
of stuff. Man, it was mind blowing to me
then. It's mind blowing to me now.
Yeah, yeah. The phenomena that we experience
every day that we haven't taken the time to ask the questions
about, right? Like, why does the moon appear
10 times larger or more during asuper moon phase, Right?

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That'll give you a scientific explanation for this.
It'll tell you why they can't tell you why Because it was of a
magnification. Magnification effect on the
horizon. Then why isn't anything else
magnified? You know the stars are
magnified. Nothing else is magnified on the
horizon. I can't tell you it's getting 10
times closer because there's a direct correlation between
distance and size. I just totally fucked things up,

(01:24:58):
right? They basically leave you saying
it's an illusion in your mind. OK, we got, we got to start
wrapping this up. We're already over an hour and a
half. I hate to do it.
Is what happens bro. This is what happens, man.
The more hang out for a minute. Thanks for having me on your

(01:25:19):
show. Do your thing, wrap it up.
Do do what you got to do. Yeah.
Do you do you have any social links or anything that you want
to announce? No, no, just follow Shadow Band
Podcast and Infinite Rabbit Hole.
I like to hang out in their chats and shoot the shit talk
about topics. Good people.
Thanks for having me on. I've been on both shows now.
It's been a pleasure, you know, hanging out, shooting the show
with you guys, talking about these fun stuff that we've

(01:25:40):
looked into. Good stuff.
Yeah, we're going to do this again.
Yeah, I'm done anytime. It's going to have to happen,
Jeff. You got anything, man?
I mean, obviously thanks for coming on this show.
And you know, this is my second time having like an actual
conversation with you outside ofthe live chats.
So it's you're an you're an interesting gentleman and yeah,

(01:26:04):
I would definitely talk to you anytime.
So appreciate you coming on. Yeah, the more Good show, good
show. Round of applause this.
Is. This was a lot of fun.
This was a lot of fun. This is I don't even know like

(01:26:25):
where where to begin. This is what happened to me when
we talked about 911 and shit in the second-half of the on my
show or last week where I like Igot off and I have to listen,
message Cramer. And I was like, fuck, bro, did
you hear what he was saying? And he's like, yeah.
And I was like I. Bought I bought 8 books since
the beginning of this episode, just so you know.

(01:26:47):
God damn Jeremy fucking donate aBitcoin to me or something.
Jesus Christ, no. Fuck off.
I bought 8 books, man. I gotta you know, I I didn't
know which ones were the good ones, so I just bought them all.
OK, All right, the more thanks man.
Really, I like the way that you present information.

(01:27:08):
I like the way that you think about information.
I like the way that you that youthat you you break it down and I
need to have more conversations with you.
I don't know how else to say that other than just being
straightforward with it. I think, I think we, we need to
have some more, some more conversations for sure.

(01:27:31):
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members of the $5 tier. Also we have a $5 tier for
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the John Teeter episode next month, February.
I have 50 something pages worth of Skinwalker branch information
for you which I took the old script of 21 pages and exploded
it. There is a ton of really, really
cool information where we dive into the history of OSAP and the
BAS, as well as a lot of other information that was completely

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skipped over with the first series that we did.
That will be a Patreon exclusivefor February and absolutely none
of it comes from the television show.
So if you got all your Skinwalker Ranch information
from the television show, guess what?
You're about to learn a shit tonmore.
So hang tight. All right, that's been another

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episode of the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast.
Once again, some more. Thank you very much for coming
on the show. It's been a pleasure.
You're welcome back anytime. In fact, we are going to have to
talk about getting you back on at some point, because I really
do want to pick your brains more.
Until next time, travelers, we'll see you in the next fork

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in the path of the infinite rabbit hole.
Goodbye. Bye.
See you, Sir. Thank you.
Hey everybody, thanks for checking out the Infinite Rabbit
Hole podcast. If you're looking for more of
our stuff, head on over to infiniterabbithole.com where you
can find links to all the podcast players that we are

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And until next time, travelers, we'll see you right here in the
next fork in the path of the Infinite Rabbit hole.
Bye.