219. Nukes are fake?! & Goodbye Jake

Today we say goodbye to our co-host Jake for his last episode on the show and discuss a few aspects of nuclear energy and weapons as well as why Jeff believes that nukes are fake?! Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole!

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Episode Transcript

(00:38):
Yeah, yeah. All right.
You guys ready to get this started?
Sure, yeah. Let's do it, Jake.
Do you want to bring us in one last time?
Nope. Welcome back to the infinite
rabbit hole. I'm your host Jeremy, and today
we're going to say a final goodbye to one of the Co hosts.

(01:02):
I don't know what today's going to bring, but for sure it will
bring a goodbye. Before we do that, before we
start that whole thing, let's goahead and say hello to old.
I tap on my couch, looking all cool and stuff.

(01:23):
Dapper, if you will. Jeffrey, What's up, Jeffrey?
What up? That's it, That's it.
Huh. Such an ass man.
Dude, what up bro? Same shit, different weekend,
you know? Love him.
All right, moving on. That was that was great.

(01:46):
Fucking life story. I went to work all week, my neck
hurts. My neck hurts too.
I fucking didn't do shit this weekend 'cause my neck hurts.
Still poor. Poor as fuck.
He's a poor. You know.
Thanks. Appreciate that.
It's good stuff. Good stuff.

(02:09):
All right, Jake Floor is yours, bud.
How's it going? I also have a hurt neck.
I pulled a muscle somehow being existing I think is how I did
it. Finally busted out the lawn
mower, which I left gas in it all winter long.

(02:30):
So now it really runs rough. It's just like it's just
constantly fluctuating and I'm like, yeah, that might have
killed it. Throw some sea foam in it.
We'll see what happens. I was gone last weekend because
I was flying home to California to see my family and to go to my

(02:52):
grandmother's funeral. It was nice.
And I know we made the joke a couple episodes back that every
other plane crashes. Well, I was on the ones that
didn't crash, so that was good, although I didn't enjoy the
experience at all. And I really don't like flying,
being in a metal tube just waiting for something to go
horribly awry. So.

(03:12):
But I survived back and got a bunch of yard work to do
tomorrow and I don't think I'm going to do it because I'm lazy,
but yeah. I also have a bunch of yard work
I do tomorrow, but I'm going to do it because I want to be my
second MO of the year. Nice.
I got a yard guy. Oh.

(03:36):
Well, we have property, so I mean, yeah, there's that.
I just rent. I'm poor, like I said earlier.
Yeah, you're poor. Yeah.
All right, man, so the title of the episode, I'm sure is going
to revolve around this. I'm sure we'll get into some

(03:56):
other topics as the the night goes, but you're leaving us,
bud. I am.
You're you're. For good this time.
Chucking deuces and unlike the last 20 times, yeah, you're
doing it in front of the live crowd.

(04:16):
Well, see, the whole thing is, Ithink every six months I'm just
gonna announce my departure and it will drum up listens to that
episode and then it'll start tapering back down.
It's like, all right, it's getting a little bit, you know,
getting kind of light in the listens, like, all right, I
guess I'll leave again, you know, type stuff.
And so I'll just keep repeating the same cycle to just kind of.

(04:38):
It's like when you see those fake celebrity news things that
someone died and then everyone'sfreaking out on Twitter and then
finds out it's complete BS. It would be like that.
Yeah. I've been having somewhat of a,
I had to look up this word before we started to make sure I
was using it right, that it meant what I thought it meant.
I was been having an existentialcrisis.

(05:00):
And it's kind of like I've been really struggling in the mental
health department lately, like really bad.
And in that, you know, kind of like trying to figure out what
the heck's wrong with me sort ofthing.
Like, well, I'm completely stagnant in my relationship with
God, and that's probably a big one.

(05:20):
Like I, when I was in Southern California, me and Whitney did
a, you know, we had a couple things going on throughout the
week. We were doing Bible studies and
things like that. And more than just the, you
know, weekly church attendance. And I was in a very good spot.

(05:41):
And since we moved to Wisconsin,I mean, we're completely
detached from our church family and all that sort of stuff.
And I just really miss that. And, you know, I, I talked to
Jeremy off air a few weeks ago and I had, we had found, finally
found a Bible study that works for our schedules and that just

(06:01):
so happens to be 8:00 PM on Sundays.
So it would be, you know, I toldhim I was like, hey, you know,
I, I want to do both. But if one's going to take
president over the other, it's going to be my walk with Christ
instead of, you know, talking about paranormal stuff on a, on
a, you know, live stream. And Jeremy is pretty supportive.

(06:23):
And so, you know, he knows abouta lot of the stuff I've been
struggling with lately. And, you know, just, he's
totally down for it. You know, he wants to see me
better. I certainly want to be better.
But yeah, I kind of had to make a a tough choice was, you know,
what's more important to me And,you know, it's it's that it's my

(06:47):
relationship with God and that affects my relationship with my
wife and my ability to hold myself together at work and all
these sorts of things kind of disseminate down from that.
And that has been incredibly lacking.
I feel like, you know, I'm just not in a good space.
And it's led me to doing things like drinking excessively and,

(07:08):
you know, kind of acting out a little bit.
And so definitely some things need to change and this is the
first step. Now, that's not to say that I'm
not going to be around. You know, Jeff was talking about
me being on Shadow Band, you know, every so often or
whatever. You know, I'm totally down for
that. If you guys go to Elmwood, I'll
still be there. I don't want to bail on Jeremy

(07:28):
for that because I know he's going to be really busy for
that. So I need someone to man the
booth. So I'll be there for Elmwood.
And so Kenzer's actually going to be there too.
So she's going to be flying out and staying in me and Whitney's
guest area downstairs. So so I'll still be picking her
up from the airport and stuff. I'm not going to be like, well,
Deuces sucks to be you guys, youknow, type stuff.

(07:50):
But I my presence on the podcastfor the most part won't be
around anymore. But I'm hoping that you know,
through this process and throughthis next step that I'll get
back to the things that, you know, are really more important
to me than anything else. So hopefully I'll be a, a more

(08:13):
well-rounded and less anxious, less stressed out and pissed off
sort of person. That's the goal anyway.
Yeah, It's, it's weird. You know, I certainly the last
time it was more along the linesif I wanted to start going to to
school and maybe that was going through a like a ministry type
thing and then just didn't work out.
You know, the timing was all off.

(08:33):
And I, I came back, but I put a lot of time into this, you know,
making all the merch for the store and a lot of editing
before Jeremy got on Riverside and it just became just a boop,
boop, boop. And it's done type stuff, you
know, used to spend a week editing episodes and stuff like

(08:55):
that, working on the music and everything.
So it's certainly going to be a different change.
But I don't think it's really a a secret that I've been very
detached from the show lately, you know, not really interested
in doing much of anything. And, you know, I don't want to
continue that line of behavior. Jeremy doesn't deserve it.

(09:17):
Jeff doesn't deserve it. And whoever else, if they get,
you know, guests on or whatever,they don't need to have someone
that's just kind of jaded. And just like I would rather be
doing anything else besides this, you know, type stuff like
we get from Jeff most of the time when we're talking about
cryptids or whatever. But yeah, so I'm going to

(09:37):
announce my departure like this is an airport and go on and
skedaddle and hopefully not get into anything too crazy, like
drugs or something, you know? But we'll see.
You know, there's no river on earth that's long enough that
doesn't contain a bend somewhere.
So, but hopefully that bend doesn't lead into like heroin,
you know, So we'll see. Jeez, man.

(10:02):
I'm saying I won't or I'll try nose.
Eater, I will not be up there. It's messed up man.
Yeah, Jeff doesn't want to come because he's scared of flying.
It's. Actually, it's actually because
I told you guys I was not comingback until you came here,
because I made the last trip andyou guys failed to make the trip
in a whole year. So you.

(10:22):
Said it's because you're scared of flying out of you're a big
Wiener. Out of integrity and I'm an man
and I stick by my word. My word stands.
I will not come back up until you guys come down.
But what event would we come to down there?
You came up here for an event, not just to hang out.
Doesn't. Fucking matter.
Yes, it does. Because otherwise it's just mad.

(10:44):
What are we going to do, Sit around and watch you smoke weed?
And we're just going to be like,OK.
You smoke weed with me bro, we'll go fishing.
I can't. I can't do that.
Not only can I not because of myjob, but I can't because I don't
want to have another problem. Trust me, I don't want to find
out that I really like it and belike, well, another thing I got

(11:06):
to deal with well. If it makes you feel any better,
I haven't actually smoked weed in months.
Just edibles. No I, I, I smoked these pens
that you can get from the vape store, not even the weed store.
They're just disposable like legal, no card required.
Pens. That was like, that's like when
I was in actively in a A and I knew people that were like,

(11:28):
yeah, I've been, you know, I'm dead clean sober, but I smoke
weed all the time. I'm like, well then you're not
sober. That's California.
Sober, that is. That was in like Virginia.
They're like, like, yeah, you know, I've been sober for three
years and smoke weed everyday. I'm like, you're not sober then
I was telling you. That's called California sober.

(11:48):
And by the way, by the way, nobody you know is sober.
Every single person you know drinks caffeine or takes some
sort. Of there's OB level of sobriety,
yeah, it's away from substances,Yes.
I didn't realize. If substance, I didn't realize
that natural God fucking birthing plants were were
substances. Substances.

(12:11):
You know, it's not like, it's not like cocaine where you have
to like, manufacture this shit out of a plant.
It just is. What about poppies?
I like my dream spot process. Is that not a substance?
There's still a manufacturing process in order.
To turn drying it out. Or some crap into her own, I
don't know. I don't want.
To say the word you know and getbanned off to it.

(12:33):
I already said the other words, so I mean if we're not banned.
On ways. I'm going to train wreck the
show and get his ban off twitch on my last episode by saying the
big H word. Great.
You're welcome. Thanks man.
If I can't have this, no one will.
What's the H word Holocaust? No heroin.

(12:55):
Say it again for the for the robots listening in.
Awesome, This is great. This is this is going to be
good. All right, Well, if for some
reason we just stop midstream onTwitch, we're live on YouTube
and X2. YouTube has kick us off.
Before. Oh yeah, definitely.
Hopefully I don't start loading a magazine in front of the

(13:17):
camera. Or we can.
Definitely be banned. We can always go live on X.
They'll never ban us there, so. I'm.
Surprised this show hasn't swapped over to Rumble yet.
I don't even know what that is. It will after this episode gets
banned on everything else. Yeah, yeah.
All right, cool. All right.

(13:38):
So Jake. Jake is gone.
He's leaving us. Yeah, bye.
We got that part. All right, with that being said,
it'll be Jeff and I. We talked a little bit the other
night, had a little little mini.Don't forget about Frank.

(13:58):
Yeah, I mean, there's Frank. Crystal.
Frank doesn't do shit, Crystal still doesn't even have a mic.
Jeff and I had a a mini meeting over text where I I laid out
some some game plans that I had and for the most part Jeff

(14:23):
approved. I'm already kicked out of the
meetings, man. That's bullshit.
Yeah, man. Well, you said you were done.
Oh yeah, that's true. So.
I forgot I'm. Not I'm not going to even bother
bother you with any of it anymore.
Yeah, even if you text me, I, I'm swear to you, if you text me
and you say, hey man, so the show, I'm just going to block

(14:43):
you, block your number and be like, I don't care.
I'm not even a fan. I don't even listen to it.
Like hey man, you want to come over or some some smoked meats?
I'm like, you're just trying to get me to listen to your BS
about the show. I'm out.
Like, ah, got me gotcha. Yeah, he did all.

(15:04):
Right. What did you guys talk about?
No, we just talked about long term plans for the show and this
is going to be kind of a, a, a softer episode.
It's not going to have any real juice to it other than just
plan. So if you're just a fan of the
general show, I guess this wouldbe good for you because you're
going to learn a little bit about what's going to happen
underneath, underneath the sheets of the bed that Jeff and

(15:28):
I are laying in. OK, that was, that was.
Yeah. You guys like?
Lock your mustaches together like Velcro and like.
You don't have to. Feel the move?
See our beards? Our beards get tied.
Together, we definitely don't dothat.
We don't do that. Dude, don't, Don't tell.
Don't. Don't do that to me.

(15:48):
You know, naked pillow fights. We've never done that.
We've never, we've never even discussed doing that.
It's right. We've actually not what happened
when you came to Elmwood? That is not what I.
Walked in on Jeremy and Jeff butt naked, greased up with
their beards locked together. It was crazy.
And I was like what are you guysdoing in here?
They're like drugs and I was like.

(16:11):
I can't. I can't even play along anymore,
man. I can't.
I tried. I tried.
I tried to make Jeff feel uncomfortable.
I can't do it. No.
All right, so basically the gistis spent a long time working

(16:31):
with some outside sources, evaluating the infinite rabbit
hole, trying to get to the bottom of what's wrong with the
show. Found some things that that
could use improvement and through that figured that the
best are the the basically the real issues with the show when

(16:52):
it comes to an analytical standpoint.
Is Jake. Is, is Jake.
But we've already, we've alreadypassed that.
That's gone so that that we don't have to worry about that
anymore. Numbers will be up just from
that. I'm just kidding, Jake, Calm
down. Wow, I feel so loved.
I'm just kidding, but basically because of because of all the

(17:16):
changes that happened with the personnel and stuff.
And it's kind of just funny thatit's happening like this.
There's been so many format changes with the infinite rabbit
hole that the problem with us isthat we're inconsistent with our
episode types. And you can come back every week
and, and hear a, a new episode and then hear a span of 4 to 8

(17:40):
weeks of, of, of a certain type episode.
And then all of a sudden gets switched up into a new type.
And we lose, we lose listeners like that because people get
excited, they start listening and start getting into a flow of
listening to a certain type of episode.
And then all of a sudden bam, new type episode hits or gets
switched into an old type of episode.

(18:00):
And basically inconsistency is, is what we're struggling with.
So basically the gist is Infant Rabbit Hole's going to start
aiming for consistency on this particular platform, and that's
where the whole big movement forthe new show's coming from.

(18:21):
Because I really do love doing the documentaries.
It's been a long time since I put one out.
I have a ton of things written up ready to go and I've been
itching to do it. But if I put them out on
Infinite Rabbit Hole, then it's just introducing documentaries

(18:44):
back into the mix and just creating that that grab bag of
different types of episodes thatare just going to turn certain
people off of the podcast. People who come here just to
listen to U.S. chat. So Infinite Rabbit Hole is going
to be a chatting podcast now just going to be us BS and we'll

(19:04):
have guests on, we'll talk, bring up random topics, just
kind of be, you know, well, Jeffand I now we, we did discuss the
possibility of opening up to 1/3Co host.
It's not it's, it's not concretethat we're going to, it's not
concrete that we're not. We're going to keep the

(19:27):
possibility open for a Co host to come in, but we're not going
to go out of our way to find oneright now.
We're going to see how the two person format works out for a
little while. See if we can get enough of a of
different opinions to still keepthe infinite rabbit hole being

(19:51):
the infinite rabbit hole. If not, then we may have to get
a little bit more aggressive with trying to find somebody
with a new opinion that already has a good setup.
You know, that's podcast ready with a good personality and good
insight and good knowledge on onthese topics with a varying

(20:11):
viewpoint than than Jeff and I. But for the the time being, it's
just going to be Jeff and myselftalking with guests bullshit and
hanging back and talking about random episodes.
That's why the last couple months you've been getting just
these grab bag episodes of random topics.
That's Infinite Rabbit Hole becoming more consistent in what

(20:36):
it's offering the listeners and then everything.
Think of anything that Infinite Rabbit Hole has ever done when
it comes to news episodes. We're even talking about
possibly splitting into a completely different show at
some point down the road, possibly doing a seasonal format

(20:59):
interview show where we talk to bigger names.
If we can get it together 10 episodes at a time.
There there. There's a there's a bunch of
different things that we can do that we've done here on the
infant rabbit hole that we've gotten good feedback from from,
but have never been consistent enough to really see what the

(21:23):
outcome would be with a consistent A consistent episode
drop schedule because we've always just kind of changed it
up too fast. So that's, that's basically the
gist of of where we're at with the infinite rabbit hole right
now. So with the announcement with

(21:44):
Jay leaving, I felt it was a good time to kind of just make
the announcement like this is this is what you're going to get
from the infinite rabbit hole. You're going to get consistency
and any time that I feel like I want to change it up, I'm just
going to create a new podcast. That's that's going to be the
gist. Like Jake had said, whenever we

(22:07):
moved to Riverside, that's our hosting platform now.
Editing, posting, basically the entire process is very easy and
streamline. So production or post production
is very simple and I want to keep it that way.
The documentary episodes are still going to be, it is still

(22:33):
going to be pretty tough becausethose are going to require a lot
of editing, lot of lot of downtime, lot of intricate
detailed work to make them soundgood.
For those of you that did end uphere in the John Teeter episode,
that was my dry run for how I'm going to do this new podcast.

(22:58):
So for those of you that did, those of you that did subscribe
to the Patreon or bought the episode, the the single episode
through the Patreon or through Spotify, that's what it's going
to. It's going to sound like it's
going to be fresh, clean, nice music in the background,

(23:20):
dramatics, all that good stuff. Yeah, not much else to say.
Skeeter had made a mention here in the comments about making an
IRH network. That's that's pretty much the
gist of what we're talking about.
Pretty much it. That's it, Jeffrey.

(23:45):
Anything else? I have of course not.
What's happening bro? I've been telling you to do
exactly that for like 3 1/2 fouryears.
So. Yeah.
Well, if he does it and it fails, then we'll know who to
blame, yeah. It's my fault.
Yeah. And we'll send him, we'll send

(24:06):
Jeff a bill for all the stuff weever bought for infant Rabbit
Hole and be like, thanks. Good, yeah.
So. So that's it.
You know, there could be a a plethora shows popping up all
with different formats that you've seen on the infinite
rabbit hole. First up, like I said, being the

(24:27):
documentary podcast that's now been rebranded as the infinite
rabbit hole archives. Right now I'm we're about a
month and a half away from dropping the first episodes and
I'm still debating on format. Not going to get too far into
that and leave that to be a surprise, but basically I have

(24:52):
the whole first season done. It's going to be a 10 episode
season it's looking like and I just have to knock out some of
the details and make sure that I'm not setting myself up for
failure for season 2. Make sure I have enough time to
get editing and research and writing done in time for season

(25:14):
2. If not, I may have to adjust and
make sure that I make sure I'm not overloading myself with too
much work. So I might have to adjust some
things to kind of make it fit because originally it was going
to be a weekly show. It has, I hate to say it's it,

(25:37):
it is going to be a, a bi weeklyshow.
So every other week. Yep, it has to.
There's, there's no way around it.
I, I just won't be able to stay up with it if I, if I do a
weekly show. So, and then shortly after that,

(25:59):
I'm hoping sometime early 2026, we get the interview show going
and then I want to work on possibly even getting a new show
going, which is which if you guys remember a few months ago,
I fooled around with the IRH news hour or the, the lunch

(26:22):
hour. And that was the dry run for
that idea. That's literally the format for
the the new show that I want to do, which is just going to be,
you know, it's going to be a random show every couple days
where I just jump on at noon anddo a live show for 20 to 30

(26:44):
minutes. Talk about what's what's going
on in the world and that's it. So, so I got a lot of stuff
coming up. I just need some time to get it
all together. All while I'm writing a book,
which I had an I had an interview with a, with an editor
the other day or a meeting. And that was that was really

(27:07):
cool. That was really cool.
Nice. Yeah, I had a meeting with a
black bear. That was not very cool.
Oh yes, tell us about the birds.So last week and I was in
California the weekend prior, itwas like 9:00 PM, almost 9:00 PM

(27:28):
We'd we were going over to our neighbor's house to do a fire
pit and. Our dogs started freaking out.
And Whitney is like, Jake, can you go outside and see what
they're barking at? And I'm sure I was like, yeah,
I'm sure it's like leaves or something, right?
Because they're always barking at everything.

(27:48):
So I go through the door and I close the door and I turn around
and I'm 10 feet away from the biggest black bear I've ever
seen right at the bottom of the steps.
And there's another adult on thelawn and three Cubs.
And I was like, oh, crap. And so I go inside the house and
I close the door. I'm like, Whitney, there's bears
everywhere out there. And she goes and presses her

(28:11):
face up on the the glass. She's like, I can't see them.
And I was like, look for the black blobs.
Whitney here because it was likegetting kind of getting dark,
right? And she was like, Oh my gosh,
they're everywhere. And they started running.
So we had to frantically call our neighbors who are having a
get together outside their houseand say, hey, there's five bears

(28:32):
running towards your house. And I mean, next day was, as to
be expected, Whitney's bird feeder was crushed on the
ground. And our beehive, our bee box,
which had been up for a total of24 hours, was smashed to bits
and frames were everywhere. And there wasn't even any honey
in there. Fortunately, the bees are still

(28:54):
in there or at least hiding. And so underneath the stand I
built for them. So I was able to reassemble the
bee box, put my bee suit on and scrape them off the bottom and
kind of like deposit them in front of their, of their box so
they could go back inside. Next day, same thing.
Frames are, are everywhere. Boxes on its, you know, tipped

(29:15):
over on its top. Bees are completely gone.
And I was like, well that was a fun endeavour.
So we just got a new, it's been 2 weeks and so I think that's
enough time maybe. So we just got a new bee or a
bird feeder out there for Whitney.
And I actually ran into a beekeeper when I was traveling
in one of the. Restaurants I stopped at and he

(29:39):
was like, oh wow, did you excuseme?
He's like, did you have? A an electric bear fence up and
I was like, no, he's like, well,that's a mistake.
Bet you will now play. Yep.
So I'll be before we go get our next our next pack of bees.
We're going to go pick up here in the middle of June.

(30:01):
I'm going to set up a the hive again with a electric bear fence
around it. So hopefully we'll be able to do
the honeybee thing without absolutely an absolute total
loss of everything because we might as well have taken 250
bucks from our original bee box and just our our package of bees

(30:21):
and just crumbled it up and throw it right in the trash
because that's exactly what whathappened with that.
So yeah, but that was crazy because Jeremy's been talking
about bears here for the entire time I've lived here.
He's like, yeah, I don't want togo camping because there's bears
out. And I was like, I, I have never
seen a bear here. I've seen every other type of
animal. I've never seen a bear.

(30:42):
Well, apparently they're here. They are very much here.
It was quite surprising. So yeah, that's the bear story.
So I I found out exactly how rural the area of Wisconsin is
that we live in. Way different from Southern
California or even Norfolk, VA for that matter.
We caught a coyote on our camerathe other night.

(31:05):
Yeah, yeah. That was that was a first,
waiting for them bears to show up.
I saw a a deer that was eyeballing me while I was riding
around in my lawn mower today. Yeah, Yep.
It's going to be a showdown. Yeah, we'll get stopped out by a
big old Joe. So.

(31:27):
Tired dude. So well, let's mix a little bit
of infinite rabbit hole topics in there before we call it a
night. As of right now, I'm doing
research on the Malmstrom Air Force Base nuclear UFO incident
of 67. Incredible stuff.

(31:52):
One of the books that's heavily referred to in the sources that
I have right now is a book by Robert Hastings called UFOs and
Nukes. Look at this thing.
Look at that thing. But that thing's filled with
words. I bet it's filled with psyops.
Oh no, no, not by rapper. Psyops.

(32:14):
I I, I doubt maybe some of them.Literally there's 3 words on the
cover. Two of those words are psyops.
That's right, this is the guy that doesn't believe in nukes.
Damn, this guy's got jokes today.

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He's got jokes and he's, he doesn't have jokes.
He's got like jokes and not jokes.
It's. Hilarious.
Yeah. It's not though.
But anyways, got some really interesting stuff that we'll
talk about later on down the road.
But the, the, this, this the some of the stories that have to

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do with nukes. Do you know that Malmstrom isn't
the only case in which nuclear ICB Ms. were shut off or were
manipulated by a UFO in the United States?
There was, there's, there was 110 years later, almost almost

(33:26):
exactly 10 years later in Ellsworth, South Dakota,
Ellsworth Air Force Base, South Dakota, where something almost
exactly the same happened, but instead of shutting down the the
ICMICBICBMS, they changed the launch codes on them.

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And then a similar situation happened in Russia where instead
of shutting down the noose, theyactivated them.
You want to take a guess as to where they were aimed at.
Elmwood. Odd.
Not so specific Pacific, Not so Pacific.

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But the Atlantic. Not the Atlantic.
Iran. Russia.
They were aimed. The moon.
At the United States. So man.
Yeah, we almost got into a nuclear war because a UFO
activated nuclear ICB Ms. in Russia.
Convenient. Yeah, there was a you know what?

(34:33):
That reminds me of it. Reminds me of that time that
those planes hit those buildingsand they said it was some
fucking dude from a cave in Afghanistan but it really
wasn't. Who was it?
It's kind of like that. Yeah, who was it?
I mean, some say it was just a fucking drone military aircraft,
and others say there was no planes at all, but I don't know.
I wasn't there. I remember talking to a guy that

(34:55):
said that it was, it was like a,it was like one of them, one of
them TV images but without TV. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like almost
like they green screen the fucking planes in there, but
they took the buildings down with Direct Energy weapons or
something. Yeah.
And then and then there wasn't any planes.

(35:16):
It was like it was like ATV screen but without the screen.
But yeah, it sounds it's convenient that the UFOs would
activate the missiles in Russia that were pointed at the US.
It's almost like maybe we were in control of those UFOs and we
needed a reason to go over thereand spread some freedom in
Russia. Well, I don't know about that.

(35:43):
The mutually insured destructionwould have would have kicked in
the place. And aren't real, but.
Everyone knows all those all those submarines we have
everywhere inside of the the missile bays.
It's actually just paper towel tubes painted to look like

(36:05):
missiles. Well, they have big bombs.
Big bombs exist. Did you?
I, I learned while doing all this research because I like to
go down all the different rattles yes, he said it.
He did the thing he did it. I I learned a lot about nuclear

(36:32):
energy and how nuclear energy exists and how we harvest it.
So I got into alpha beta particles and Yammer rays
because. When you're going to become the
Hulk? No, I don't.
I don't know what that means. All right then, This is why I'm

(36:57):
leaving. All my jokes fall flat with you
because you don't watch entertainment like everyone else
does. I don't know.
This is the real reason because I'm so sick of you not getting
movie references. He would.
Actually be Amish if he didn't have this podcast.
I don't know that means either. I'm pretty sure this is like the
only technology that you use is when we talk to each other once

(37:19):
a week on here. Yeah, I, I caught a lot of shit
the other day at work. Somebody, somebody was like, hey
man, I heard you read books. And I'm like, I do.
And they're like, man, I'm, I'm reading this book and it's about
this thing. And I was like, oh man, that's
cool. I like reading books about
things too. And they're like, man, you

(37:41):
should, you should read this book.
Here, let me send you a link. And I was like, OK, cool.
Thinking it's going to be like, you know, a link on Amazon where
I can buy the book at, but it's it's a it's a link so that I can
listen to it. And I'm like, what's this shit?
And they're like, they're like, oh, so you can listen to it.
And I'm like, no, and they're like, what?

(38:05):
And I'm like. Yes, the tale as old as time,
books being read to you. Yeah, no.
And there. And, and he's like, he's like,
but he's like, you actually read, Read.
And I'm like, yeah, he's like, oh, he's like, I feel weird now.
And I'm like, good. I I don't read read because I

(38:30):
don't know how to read read. That's one thing I'm going to
learn in my quest to better myself is how to read I'm.
Trying to find this fucking thing.
Where's the thing at, man? Skeeter we last UFO days.
He said that he would he would watch the Star Wars movies if we

(38:53):
got 150 reviews on Spotify with an average of four 4.8 stars.
I think something like that. 4.9. 4.9 stars so if unless that
happens he refuses to watch any of those movies.
Which is weird because it's all about aliens, which he's super
big into. Yeah, that's conspiracies.

(39:14):
It's literally. Conspiracies.
Aliens and conspiracies and encrypted like creatures.
The whole. Politics.
Yep. Yeah, but if you know, if I if I
did watch it, why would I mean, what would anybody have any
reason to hate me for there's. So many other things you have
you're, I don't know, patchy beard, I guess.

(39:36):
Like oh man, look at that guy's.Beard.
The four billion other cultural references that you have no idea
what the fuck we're talking about.
Any one of them. Oh, here we go.
A treaty was signed by the US and the Soviet Union titled
Agreement on Measures to Reduce the Risk of Outbreak of Nuclear
War between the United States ofAmerica and the Soviet Union

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Socialist Republics or the Unionof Soviet Socialist Republics.
Article 3 of this treaty specifically states quote the
parties undertake to notify eachother immediately in the event
of detection by missile warning systems of unidentified objects
or in the event of signs of interference with these systems

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or with related communications facilities, if such occurrences
could create a risk of outbreak of nuclear war between the two
countries. This was signed in September of
1971. OK, interesting.
So Jeff, what if their definition of nukes was just big

(40:44):
giant missiles? Then you couldn't say that nukes
are fake. See I this is really my argument
for like half of the things thatI say that you guys think are
fucking crazy. Well, that's because you're just
crazy. No.
And when we when in, in nine times out of 10, when we take
the time and we sit down and we drive into it, we come out the
other side and you guys have a different understanding of what

(41:05):
I'm trying to say. What I'm trying to say is it's,
it's generally A semantic problem, right.
So when they say it's nuclear bombs, that's the problem I
have. That's why I said we do have big
ass bombs. Do I think we could drop a a
Moab or a Moab plus plus on someshit and blow it the fuck up?
Of course we can. Do we have what we would
consider a nuclear bomb? I don't think we do.

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And the only reason is because there's never been like actual
proof given to the public of these things.
The only videos we have of nuclear bomb tests are all fake.
They're all models, so I mean, Idon't.
Know. Like the car appearing and
disappearing next to the building that gets like,
incinerated. Yeah, right.
Right. And then there's just a whole
slew of, I don't even know if you want to call it evidence,

(41:47):
but you know, interesting tidbits that make you wonder,
like why they would propagate that lie to the world.
And it all kind of makes sense if you're deep enough down the
rabbit hole. For fear purposes.
Scarcity, fear, control, political, you know,
geopolitical fucking chess boardmaneuvers, you know, like these

(42:09):
types of things. But you know, and I'm not even
saying that like Putin or Trump necessarily know that the nukes
don't exist. They probably think they have
fucking nukes, but there's people out there that know that
they don't. Well, how do we have nuclear
powered? Nuclear power, nuclear power and
nuclear bombs or two different things.

(42:32):
They're not the same. They don't operate the same.
Yeah, they do. No, they don't.
OK, why not? You explained it to me.
So you got the Was it the burdenof proof?
You're the one saying that they don't operate though.
Was they saying that they do? So who really has the burden of
proof? You you made the the claim.
So all right, I'm going to, I'm going to teach you nuclear

(42:57):
physics, I guess. Teach me I'm going to fuck this
up because it's been forever because.
I'm not a nuclear physicist. I'm not, but I'm going to do my
best, right? So the best way to do this is to
really just dummy it down Barneystyle for you.
So radiation, what is it? Radiate.

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OK, getting to the definition ofradiation right, you need to 1st
understand how you get radiationand radioactivity comes from the
offset energy coming from unstable atoms of certain

(43:48):
elements. So an unstable element has to
deal with the nucleus of certainatoms that have unbalanced
neutrons and protons. So everyone knows the
composition of an atom are neutrons, protons, and

(44:10):
electrons. Neutrons are neutral, protons
are positive, electrons are negative.
The neutrons are in the middle. I'm sorry, the nucleus is in the
middle and consist of the protons and neutrons.
And then you have the electrons that are in orbit around the
nucleus with positive charge. Now the internal structure of

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the nucleus, if the the protons and neutrons are not balanced
now it does not mean that they have the same number because the
the protons and electrons need to have the same number, not the
neutrons and protons. But when the atomic weight is
off, they will be they will be considered.

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I agree with Jeff, it's all fake.
No, no, no, no, no. They, they, they will be.
Forgive me, man, I, I don't haveall the, the, the right terms
and stuff, but it's, they're, they're in balance.
They're not Fuck, man. It's right at the tip of my
tongue too. But anyways, unstable atoms,

(45:29):
they, they don't like to be unstable and it creates like a
like a form of friction and it comes off in energy.
OK, the, the energy that's created in unstable elements is
actually more powerful or it's hotter than anything created in

(45:50):
a chemical reaction. You can Google this stuff by the
way. I'm still track nothing that you
said thus far. I do I disagree with.
I just want you to know, but youstill haven't gotten anywhere
near why this means nuclear bombs exist.
Well, so basically, when one of these atoms create so much of

(46:11):
energy inside of it that it can expel little bits and pieces of
it, and it can expel. It's actually funny that I was
just talking about this, but it can expel radiation, right?
Radiation comes in three forms, or three major forms, AA and
beta particles and gamma rays. Alpha and beta particles are

(46:32):
physical and where alpha is basically 2 neutrons and two
protons. Basically the same thing as a
helium nucleus that gets expelled.
These are the largest forms of radiation.
They they don't move very fast. They're they're the most harmful

(46:57):
to a biological person if if coming in contact with
biological tissue or biological cells, but hitting the the
surface of your skin or like AT shirt, you're not going to
really cause too much harm from it.
But the problem with actually any radiation at all, whether it

(47:21):
be alpha particles, beta particles, or gamma rays, is
that they're all ionized. Ionizing is is the problem here.
Now if you remember when I was talking about the
electromagnetic spectrum, when we were doing the Doppler effect
explanation about the lights, the external lights on UFOs and

(47:44):
everything. Ionizing radiation comes from
the this side of the ultravioletside of the the electromagnetic
spectrum. Now ionizing or ionized
radiation, when it comes in contact with atoms of biological

(48:09):
cells such as DNA or basically anything, these ionized cells
are so energized that what it does is it kicks off electrons
in orbit around the atoms that that make the build around these
biological structures and creates shoot, what are they

(48:36):
called? What are they called, man?
What? What are they called?
What's that say the last part again?
When when an atom loses an electron, it's called a isotope.
No, it's not called an isotope. What is it called?

(48:59):
I'm gonna draw a blank, brother.Yeah, I'm gonna draw a blank too
anyways. And it it creates, it creates
another form of imbalance, right?
Which makes the atom unhappy. Basically the gist is is that by
doing so it can set off a chain of action within cells that are

(49:19):
touching each other down at the molecular level or at the atomic
level. Atom atomic and can do can do
some real damage to DNA structures and cause things such
as cancers or other malfunctionsthe worst of the three is gamma

(49:43):
radiation because it basically can penetrate through everything
because it's not a particle it'sit's an energy but.
Can I stop you for a second? I'm going to I'm getting back to
how this turns into weaponry because we're going to take a
take a step back to the, the nucleus of these atoms right

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now. When when the the nucleus is, is
when it's not happy, right? It's unstable.
You can manipulate it, right? Especially when you're working

(50:28):
with highly ionized or high radiation material such as
radium or. Draw more blanks here man.
Plutonium is another one. You can manipulate this by

(50:51):
adding certain materials to it to help with a process called
fission. Fission is the process of
splitting the atom. Now I'm sure everyone's heard
that before, right? Now it was just prior to the
Manhattan Project when it was discovered that the energy

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expelled from an atom that gets split is way stronger than what
is believed to be possible from such a small thing.
Now if we were just to watch energy split our being expelled
from 1 singular atom, from our viewpoint it wouldn't be so
impressive. But the sheer magnitude compared

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to the size of the atom is impressive.
It's it's compounded in in incredibly so.
It's not necessarily that the one atom getting split inside of
the atomic weapon that's causingthis massive explosion.

(51:58):
It's all of the atoms that are in inside of this with the
material that they're using to cause the fission reaction
that's causing a chain reaction of fission causing an atomic
explosion. It's, it's all of the atoms

(52:18):
inside of the atomic bomb or thenuclear bomb or the hydrogen
bomb, whichever evolution you want to go through that's,
that's causing the explosion. It's absolutely possible because
they don't, they don't only theydon't add on to each other.
They actually multiply. It's a, it's a, it's something

(52:40):
you, I mean, we can't test it. We don't have the, the, the
tools to be able to do it. But I mean, there's, there's
plenty of resources that you canwatch.
The problem again, that I have is more that it is a semantic
issue, right? Again, I'm, I understand to a

(53:01):
degree, probably as much as the rest of us on how nuclear energy
works, how a nuclear power plantworks.
And in fact, I do have a generalunderstanding of how they say
nuclear explosions and nuclear bombs work.
You know, I've looked into this enough to, to have a standpoint
to where I say that they're fucking fake, right?
There's no process that I've seen.

(53:22):
Nobody's ever explained how it is that that.
I'll just read it to you verbatim here.
Right. This is this is fission atomic
bomb. OK?
The process releases a tremendous amount of energy as a
small fraction of the mass of the nucleus is converted into
energy. A chain reaction occurs as each
fission event releases more neutrons, triggering additional

(53:46):
fissions in a fraction of a second.
Yes. It's basically the smart way of
saying what I said. Yeah, right.
And. How does and how does that
exponential growth of splitting of neutrons creating more
neutrons and more fission reactions?
How does that taper off and end?That's that's the whole thing,

(54:07):
man, is it doesn't right. I mean.
When? When, when you, when you get
into like the like the atomic bombs that went off in Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, right? You had reports of people
shadows being permanently imprinted into concrete slabs
and stuff, right? And what's interesting about
those cases is that those citieshave been rebuilt and people are

(54:28):
living there. So the 1000 years of dead land
because of the radioactive materials that were fucking
exploded there, What happened? More than 80 years?
Well, you're, you're talking about a a rather small
explosion. Oh, OK.
So you're talking about how thatchain reaction should still be

(54:50):
going on. Is that?
No, but there there that question does remain.
Like, where's the math to show that the the reaction, the
exponential growth of neutrons being split, creating more
fission reactions there? Where's the math showing how
that tapers off and ends #1 and #2 So why is it that the only
two places that we've ever dropped nukes on don't have

(55:12):
radioactive, like lingering radioactive effects on those
places? Well, one, you would think that
that there absolutely would be, there's got to be some sort of
trace radiation there that I I doubt that there isn't.
Japan's a pretty advanced fucking place and they're pretty
strict on their health and and safety standards.
In fact, I'd argue it's probablysafer in those respects.

(55:34):
In the United States, they builtcities back in Hiroshi,
Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. So that tells me that they that
they drop big fucking bombs thatleveled those cities, but they
were not radioactive. Now I say that, but the initial
explosions themselves are radioactive from almost dude, I

(55:56):
could pick up a rock outside andit's radioactive.
So you know, you, you have a mass energy event, just an
explosion from a big fucking bomb.
There will be trace amounts of radioactivity, so.
The interwebs say Hiroshima is not radioactive today.
The city's radiation levels are not nearly indistinguishable

(56:19):
from the natural background radiation found worldwide.
The bombs were detonated high above the ground, dispersing the
most radioactive materials into the atmosphere, where they
decayed rapidly. Oh, OK, so there you go.
Right, so. According to near Safety and my
RA it. Sounds like they were.
They were attempting to try to try to set off an EMP instead of

(56:42):
trying to set off a ground burst.
So this is something that we learned when we're trying to get
our Eaws right, Jake, where we learn about high level

(57:02):
explosions or what do they call them?
Oh, I don't know. It's been too long.
It's been so far going over the AO stuff and then you have to go
through all the ordinance and things like that, different type
of explosions and stuff. They make you go over like the
different altitudes of of nuclear bomb explosions and, and
what the outcomes of them are and radiation dangers and and

(57:28):
such. I believe that air burst
ordinance is way more lethal than ground burst ordinance.
Yeah, but it's. It has to do explosion downward.
Well, I think it has to do with the nuclear fallout.
I think it has to do with the post explosion stuff and not
necessarily due to the initial explosion.
Oh, I don't. I don't mean just like nuclear

(57:49):
stuff. I mean just like just in
general, like air bursts, ordinances more devastating than
ground burst because of physics or something else?
I guess since they think, I guess since they trained you on
these theoretical things in the military, then that must make
them true. Yes, absolutely, 100%.

(58:09):
Yeah, and if you disagree, it's because you're an idiot and
you're not getting your EAWS. Yeah, you're never going to get
your YEAH. You never get to get your wings
maybe your surface maybe. Hey, listen man, maybe I'm just
too jaded with the world, brother, but like I said,
there's no, there's no proof or evidence, at least consumable by

(58:33):
the public of any of any of this.
It's all just handed down to us,just like the space stuff,
right? There's something to be said
about that, but you're rogue, so.
I think, I think that there's I,I don't doubt that there's
nuclear weapons. I think that there is for sure.

(58:54):
I think that it's stupid that wehave them.
That's fair enough. I think.
I agree to disagree, I mean. I think I think one of the
stupidest things ever created was nuclear deterrence.
It's fucking dumb. Nuclear deterrence just creates
a reason for everyone to have nukes on the planet.

(59:15):
Hey man, they say that some of the craziest people in the world
who want nothing more than to wipe the United States off the
map have nukes. That's literally the reason why
nuclear deterrence is stupid. Fucking use them.
No. Obviously not, but you know,
like if, if North Korea, if Kim Jong Un has nukes and he's as
crazy as they make him out to be, what the fuck?

(59:38):
If Iran, if Iran is is as extreme as they're made out to
be and they want us gone as bad as they do and they have nukes,
what the fuck? Yeah, I, I mean, I'm not trying
to defend the government becauseI know the government plays
everybody. You know, I'm, I am not a, you

(59:59):
know, component of. In a.
Boot licker The innocent United States government.
I'm, I, I, I do not at all believe that the United States
government is innocent in any way, shape or form.
But I, I do have to say that, you know, just from the
standpoint of a human being thatif they, if they are evil,

(01:00:23):
right? And they have these that kind of
mindset and they have nukes. They would have to expect
retaliation. And I think that that's what
they would fear, not necessarilythat they, you know, I'm sure if
they if they didn't fear retaliation, they they probably

(01:00:44):
would. Hey.
Maybe that's the case. You know, some of those
cultures, they strap bombs and blow themselves up to take out a
couple of American soldiers. So I don't see why the culture
at large would be afraid of mutually assured destruction.
It's, it's mass martyrdom. You know, if anything, they're
going to be fucking worshipped for that.
And whatever heaven they think they're going to, I.

(01:01:09):
Mean, do they do they really want to die though?
I mean, I don't. Know, I don't know bro, I'm just
saying, you know, it's just likeI you listen, we've, I've been a
part of the show long enough to know, for you guys to know that
my biggest problem is when people believe things that
there's no way to verify right outside of, of things of faith,
for instance, right? Because that's like generally a

(01:01:31):
positive thing. But when you talk start talking
about fear based things that you're just just supposed to
believe in, you know, that's where I have a problem.
And I put my foot down and I demand real evidence, not just
some theoretical fucking equations handed to me from some
dudes in a fucking lab coat, right?

(01:01:53):
I mean, listen, I hate to say I hate to be that guy, but there
was a day there was a time when you guys didn't believe in
chemtrails. Remember that we had this
conversation about chemtrails. I would didn't believe in
chemtrails. I just never heard about Kenya
Charles. I didn't believe in the Navy
putting up chemtrails. That's because the the Navy,

(01:02:16):
we've, we've worked on Navy aircraft that I've never loaded
chemtrails onto a Navy aircraft.I can tell you that right?
Now I'm pretty sure we had like a pretty like one of these back
and forth about chemtrails and that was the thing that spurred
me to do the actual weather modification episode that after
the fact, since then it seems, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems

(01:02:36):
like you guys are pretty on board with the fact that
chemtrails are real. Yes, but here's here's the
thing. Here's the thing right is, is
that a a lot of times, a lot of times, the people making these
arguments are fucking idiots. No arguments with that brother.
I mean, listen, the the people who get picked on to be

(01:02:57):
showcased is like, here's a flatearther, here's a fucking
whatever. They're always the stupidest
person who has no idea how to articulate the argument right.
I've. I've seen I've seen people who
will literally take a picture ofa plane and zoom in on a P dot
probe and be like that is where they're spraying.
Or the static Wicks and it's like.

(01:03:18):
Are you fucking kidding me, guys?
And, and those people aren't doing anything different than
the people just handing down thepsyops from on high.
They just, they're just being ignorant, right?
And This is why you can do things like pull up actual
government websites with actual government documents where they
literally list off the planes, chemicals, dates, times,
locations, and the thing that they're trying to manipulate.

(01:03:42):
And it's like, I don't have to go on this tirade and point
fucking pictures out and be like, look, there it is.
I don't have to make up some crazy fucking theory about
chemtrails. I could just show it to you.
I could just show you the document.
I can show you the bill that Florida just passed to ban
weather modifications and ban all chemicals or substances
being dispersed through aerosolsvia planes into the atmosphere

(01:04:03):
that's quoted in the bill that Florida just passed.
So, and I know I'm going off on a different thing here, but the,
the point I'm trying to make is,you know, don't be so dug in on
something that you don't have anything to back up other than
the theories handed to you from on high.
If there was a a single video ofa nuke going off, I'd be more

(01:04:24):
inclined to believe that they exist, but there aren't any.
I don't know, man. I don't know.
I mean. How many nukes have has the
United States alone set off in testing?

(01:04:46):
No, I have no. Idea.
I'm pretty sure the number, well, the official start, I'm
pretty sure the number is like 10s of thousands, like a
ridiculous number that we've setoff just for testing purposes.
OK, where's the footage? Where's the fucking radioactive
fallout from 10s of thousands ofnukes over the last 60 or 70

(01:05:09):
years? Where's all of those things that
they talk about? Nukes.
Nukes could wipe out the world, man, if, if Russia launched its
5007 thousand nukes, Oh man, we launched our 7000.
We're all fucking dead. OK, well we have launched.
I don't know, let me look up theexact number for you.
But it's an insane number, OK? No, I mean, there's, there's all

(01:05:32):
kinds of treaties that are preventing multiple nations from
testing nuclear weaponry right now.
I know that, but as much has been tested throughout history
and no idea. United States has conducted OK,
so I was a little off. the United States has conducted 1054
nuclear tests from July 1945 to September of 1992.

(01:05:57):
So just from 45 to 92, they tested over 1000.
Where's the footage? 45 makes sense. 92 you said they
tested 92. All that they've done 1000 tests
between the years 1945 to 1992. They they have a number how of

(01:06:18):
how many they they launched thatbikini Atoll alone.
These tests involved at least 1149 nuclear devices and were
primarily conducted at the Nevada Test Site, the Pacific
Proving Grounds, which is Bikiniand and a Wataq Atolls, the
Atoll Islands and other locations like Alaska, Colorado,

(01:06:39):
Mississippi and New Mexico blah blah blah.
Yeah, they've tested them all over the fucking place.
But again, where's, where's the video?
Where's the like the fallout, where's the aftermath?
Like where's all these the shit that they fear monger us with?
We've we've literally bombed ourselves 11149 times so oops.

(01:07:00):
That's one of the better arguments I've heard.
But so I I'd be I'd be more worried about the ones over land
for sure, but that that that is one of the better arguments.
It is have to look at the population density of the areas.
Hit the look and see if if any of those areas are, you know,

(01:07:26):
off limits right now. Apparently Bikini Atoll is still
radioactive, but it gets frequented by eco tourists and
divers and water sport enthusiasts.
Oops, doesn't make a lot of sense.
I agree, Whitney says. Huh, maybe that's why I speak
Funny Nuke too many times. Looks like I might piss somebody

(01:07:49):
off. Let's thank him for a service
everyone. Yeah, thank him for a service T
and Linda service. Are we thinking I?
Don't know. I don't know.
I think that was in reference toJeff talking about them
detonating themselves to kill a couple troops, a couple
soldiers. So thank you for your service,

(01:08:10):
Jeff. Thank you for your service on
Arma. Taking me a second to catch up
with all these comments I see that I I was catching a lot of
shit for out watching movies again.
That's good. Yep.
Danny's Danny's here. What's up, Danny?

(01:08:32):
What up Bud and goodbye for the last time ever unless I pop into
Shadow Band from time to time. Bam.
Without this show though. Yeah, not this one.
Not this one. Not this one.

(01:08:53):
Never. Again, this shows boring, I'm
too used to it. So.
Boring. I know all the arguments
Jeremy's going to make. That's right.
He knows them all. I don't know, man.
I don't know. I think that harnessing nuclear
energy for the sake of weaponry is definitely possible.

(01:09:16):
And I think it's not just possible.
I think it's been done testing. I can see them lying about that
right? Doesn't necessarily mean that
nuclear weapons don't exist. I can also see them lying about
the numbers that we have. I think we're, I think the the

(01:09:40):
most we had at one point was like 18,000 or something along
those lines, 18,000 warheads. Now we're down like 1732 or
something like that. Yeah, we, we had gone through a
couple of rounds of treaties with Russia where we were
reducing them every couple years.

(01:10:01):
That was, that was also a kind of a funny thing too.
We were like self-imposed and self moderated things.
Like we weren't, weren't inspecting each other or
anything like that. We were just like being like,
yeah, man, I, I did it, you know?
There's a lot of funny business that's happened over the last 80

(01:10:23):
years with, you know, geopolitics and, and especially
when you talk about like the newmutually assured destruction and
just the way that that's played with, you know, treaties being
signed and just there's just a lot of funny shit that's
happened because of that, right?And then if you think about the
timing of it, right, like, OK, you can make the argument, you

(01:10:43):
know, World War 2, you know, it was the whole world was fucking
crumbling and like just it was a, it was chaos.
We had to come up with this super weapon in order to end the
war, right? You can make that argument and I
and I understand that, right? But you can make the same
argument to say, hey, look, we have to make this war and we
have to make everybody think we have this fucking super weapon.

(01:11:07):
I got a really good subject for us to talk about next time,
Jeffrey. It's almost just convenient, I
guess is what I'm trying to say,right.
It's convenient that, you know, we, we defeated the Germans in
Europe and we just, we, we disseminate the German
scientists between US and the Soviet Union, right?

(01:11:29):
That wasn't the end of the war. You know, there was still the,
the Asian theater, right? We're still in Japan and Okinawa
and all these places and we werestill having dudes getting
slaughtered. And there was no end insight for
that. That part of the conflict there,
they had no idea what the fuck they were going to do because we
couldn't even take one island efficiently.
It was taking weeks and weeks and weeks to take an island out

(01:11:52):
in the middle of of the Pacific.So going to the Japanese
mainland, dude, like they had noend insight for this thing.
So the only thing that they could do was scare the whole
world and say, bro, we could fuck everybody up with one flip
of a button watch. And they just blew up two
cities. And they were like, yeah, see,
this is this new fucking magic technology, nuclear bombs.

(01:12:14):
And everybody's like, oh. Well, those those were atomic
bombs. Atomic bombs.
Whatever. OK, but and.
Since then it's evolved to hydrogen and then now nuclear,
right? So I don't think, and you know,
I do think that you can probablydo things with some of these

(01:12:34):
elements and create bigger and bigger bombs, right?
It's chemistry again, it's a semantic argument.
I don't think when when you say nuclear bombs, like there's an
image that gets produced in everybody's mind, right?
And that image is huge explosionthat wipes out the old.
Mushroom. Big old mushroom cloud.
Those things are probably legit,but then the radioactive fallout

(01:12:59):
and everybody dying of cancer for the next 1000 years and
you're going to have three arms growing.
And it's like, you know, it's not just blowing up your city,
but it's literally laying waste to the land and no generation
after that will be able to to move in.
That's the part that I have a problem with because we've done
it apparently twice. Not well, unless you want to
count the 11140, whatever it wasthat we've dropped in ourselves,

(01:13:22):
plus however many rushes droppedon themselves, etcetera,
etcetera. I just don't see that
radioactive fallout. Maybe it's more of an argument.
Is radioactive fallout dangerous, right.
What is that guy that used to eat uranium?
He used to go on a tour around the United States and you eat
uranium trying to prove to the world that it wasn't dangerous,

(01:13:42):
right? And the guy lived to be like 100
fucking years old. I've never heard of that, but
that's what. Happened.
You guys remember Fukushima? I Fukushima is still not good.
Is it? Yeah, Fukushima is where the
tsunami hit northeastern Japan. And what's the second part of

(01:14:04):
that? The Fukushima something.
But it was that that nuclear power plant that expelled
radioactive material all over, basically out into the waters
that. That into the Pacific Ocean,
Yeah. And then that the circulation in
the Pacific Ocean was supposed to bring that radiation right
over to California and the West Coast and all that.

(01:14:25):
And I'm just wondering, like, that happened in 2011, bro.
So like, are we just getting bombarded?
Are we eating fish that's just totally fucking radiated and
they're just not saying? A A overview says radioactive
water can continues to leak out.He'll leak at the Fukushima

(01:14:46):
Dashi nuclear power plant. Dashi.
That's it, Dashi. Right.
And I would just. Do that as 11.
I would argue that that piece ofthat article that you just read,
that last little piece, is the PSYOP part.
Radioactive materials are still leaking out at the Pacific.
All right, bro, I don't I I doubt it.
I, I think I radioactive material takes a long time to

(01:15:12):
stabilize. Radioactive material can start
off as uranium and then through the process of radioactivity
can, while it's trying to stabilize, can go, it could
literally change into other elements through the process of
radioactive, right? And it can change into other

(01:15:33):
unstable elements all the way down until it's finally stable.
Wherever it settles in it. It could take a very, very long
time. And it's.
Not longer than 80 years becauseit.
Can it can, it just depends on what the what the original
radioactive material was and andwhat they were like.

(01:15:57):
If there was accelerants added to it.
Like if there was something added to it like a nitrite added
to it to help with the fission process.
It depends. It depends on, on temperature,
pressure. I mean, there's, there's so many
different variables to the equation that you that, that
need to be considered to controlthese, these kinds of things.

(01:16:21):
That's why, you know, like, I mean, nuclear submarines need an
entire staff of people in order to just monitor them, you know,
and they're, they're the only rate in the entire Navy that's
paid better than anybody else. It's, it's like, I mean, people

(01:16:43):
get paid really well to know howto, how to maintain and monitor
nuclear power stuff. Yeah.
And it's interesting that of allthe probably 10s of thousands of
nuclear scientists that work on nuclear power plants, which I do
think exists, I do do think nuclear power exists.

(01:17:03):
I just don't think they've ever found a way to weaponize it.
But it's funny that those 10s ofthousands of nuclear scientists
out there that all work on nuclear reactors I I I'd be
willing to bet that none of themknow the first thing about
making a nuclear bomb. Well, nuclear.
I mean, nobody should know how to make a fucking nuclear bomb.

(01:17:25):
That's first thing, right? That should be top secret and
shouldn't be leaked out of anywhere.
I mean. My point in the Manhattan.
Project was supposed to be something that was like the the
the top secret of top secret. I mean, there, there was only,
you know, there was espionage involved in the leaking of

(01:17:46):
Manhattan Project secrets to Russia.
You know it's. My point in bringing that up was
more so that the the differencesbetween nuclear energy and
nuclear weapons are so there. There's such a gap there that,
like you could explain to me at nauseam how nuclear energy and
how radiation and all these different pieces work, but none

(01:18:09):
of that really tells us how the nuclear bomb works.
But how far off is it from nuclear energy to new nuclear
weaponry? I mean how?
How far is it really different? Far enough that the smartest
people in the world who are nuclear scientists working at
reactors have not the first ideahow to make a nuclear bomb.

(01:18:29):
That's how far off. Who's this?
Who's to say that a nuclear reactor isn't a nuclear bomb?
I've never seen one explode. Chernobyl.
Chernobyl has. Chernobyl didn't explode.
Well, it, it meltdown and a meltdown, sure.
And there was radioactive leakage and they said that it
was dangerous and they evacuatedthe whole city.
But people are there now. People are hanging out, People

(01:18:51):
go on tours and they, they, theyfucking walk around Chernobyl.
There's construction crews at Chernobyl.
They did a whole lot of documentary of them putting that
fucking billion dollar situationover the top of it.
You know, it's just like. It's that they still have to
monitor everything. They, they, they have to limit
their time there. You know, it's, it's still
extremely dangerous to be there.There's still mutations going on

(01:19:12):
with any biologics there, you know, I mean, there's, there's
some really strange things that that occur there.
Sure. You know what?
I'm not denying that. But you know, again, it didn't
explode. There was no nuclear explosion
even at Fukushima. No, no explosion.
I'm sure there's like diesel generators that probably blew up
or whatever the fuck, but you know, no nuclear explosions
happened. And all the meltdowns, the only

(01:19:36):
nuclear explosions that any of us have ever seen were fucking
models, dude. I don't know.
It's the same thing with space man.
Every picture you've seen of a planet was just fucking ones and

(01:19:56):
zeros that an artist created an artist rendition of the data
strips and then they presented that to you.
Nobody here has ever seen a planet other than Earth.
And. I have a telescope.
I've seen stuff, I've seen lights.
I've got nipples, Greg, can you milk me?
Yeah, I'll milk you right now, Jeff.

(01:20:17):
Bust them out, Jeff, Jeff, you've you've brought up some
really good points on the show. OK, man, I don't know about the
nuclear one because here's here's the thing, right?
Is the most common radiation given off by the most powerful

(01:20:39):
powerfully radiated or radioactive materials are gamma
rays. OK, gamma rays themselves are a
weapon. If if we can harness it and and
use it as a tool, it is a weapon.
Going back to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, back when it was just

(01:21:00):
the atomic bomb, these were strong enough to imprint shadows
onto concrete from the, from theimages of the people standing in
front of us at concrete. Right the, the, the shadows were
cast on it from the, the, how bright the blast was from these
gamma rays. Now not not not necessarily that

(01:21:22):
it was visually bright because gamma rays technically can't be
seen by the naked eye because they're so far past the
ultraviolet side of the the electromagnetic spectrum, but
they still are able to imprint ashadow of a human being onto
concrete. There were reports of women

(01:21:44):
wearing kimonos where they had beautiful flower dresses or
flower prints on them with whitesilk flowers on black silk.
Kimonos where the white flower parts were were sunburnt or
radiate like the radiation burn on their bare skin because the

(01:22:09):
white was letting through most of the radiation where the black
was help shielding it. People's skin were melting off
their face to where their skull was showing their jaws were
exposed. I mean, it's the gamma radiation
that was literally melting people's external bodies off of

(01:22:33):
them. Gamma radiation, even in a
meltdown situation such as Fukushima and Chernobyl, can be
weaponized, right? If you mix it with a typical
explosion like what you were talking about, right?

(01:22:53):
If you somehow are able to concoct a hybrid bomb of gamma
rays and a nice big explosion, right you, you can weaponize
that man. And even if the explosion isn't
made by a chain reaction caused by splitting atoms like we how

(01:23:16):
we outlined earlier and it's just made by a, you know, just a
strong explosive, whatever. There are examples of that
though, right? Like as you're saying this, I'm
looking, I'm looking up other examples other than Hiroshima
and Nagasaki where there's been quote UN quote, shadows of
people burned into the ground orburned into the environment.

(01:23:38):
Volcanoes, volcanoes. Listen, the fire bombings in
Dresden, there was reports of this.
OK, So there are, there are things other than the radiation
that could cause this type of thing to happen.
So again, big ass fucking bombs exist.
And did they drop those? Yes.
Did those big ass bombs burn at like the surface of the sun and

(01:24:00):
incinerate people so quickly that it fucking imprinted
silhouettes of them onto the surrounding environment?
Yeah, and it happened 1000 yearsago too, when Vesuvius erupted,
right? But that's natural.
We're talking about man made Sure, show me other man made
examples of others. What's What's Dresden?
Fire bombings of Dresden in World War Two World War 2, some

(01:24:22):
of those fires burned at over 1000° and it caused the same
effect. It was it was burning, it was
burnt. Let me, let me find.
So it had. That means it would have had to
have been a metallic burn. What were the materials?
Allied firebombing of Dresden February 1945 and Tokyo in March
1945 created firestorms with temperatures exceeding 1000°C.

(01:24:42):
In Dresden, incendiary bombs caused asphalt to melt, and in
Tokyo wooden structures were incinerated.
Some reports described burn marks or silhouettes on walls
where people shielded surfaces from heat and flames catch.
Some I'm curious. I'm curious what was the
material that was burned? What what was exploded?
It had to have been metallic because organic material does

(01:25:02):
not burn that hot. It has to be dissimilar metals.
Allied firebombing of Dresden Dres In Dresden, incendiary
bombs caused asphalt to melt, and in Tokyo, wooden structures
were incinerated. Some reports describe burn marks
or silhouettes on walls where people shielded surfaces from

(01:25:25):
heat or flames. So this doesn't specifically
breakdown what was burning at those high heats.
But I mean look up what were thebombs that they were using?
The firebomb Dresden? What were those made out of?
Were those nuclear or were they just fucking hot ass bombs and
they were burning the surrounding environment reading
1073 fires? Tell them about them hot bombs,

(01:25:46):
Jeff. Lightning strikes.
Here's another one. Lightning strikes have done
this. Lightning strikes are also
natural chemical. Explosion with intense.
Flash have done thermite, magnesium, white phosphorus,
those are all within incendiary bombs.

(01:26:10):
Sure, all all metallic. All can be unstable.
Again, I'm not disagreeing with that part.
See, this is where I think we'rewe're talking past each other,
right? What I'm saying is that they
could have indirectly have made a small radioactive bomb without

(01:26:34):
knowing it, especially if they were using a phosphorus.
Sure they could have. OK.

(01:27:19):
No, no, these these would have just been high temperature
chemicals. Incendiary bombs use chemical

(01:27:51):
and metallic substances thermite, napalm, phosphorus,
magnesium, burning at high temperatures to ignite targets.
They rely on chemical reactions for the destructive power.
OK. So there was there is no nuclear
element to those whatsoever? You know, there's also gamma ray

(01:28:14):
Direct Energy weapons. Gamma ray is yes.
So you could theoretically, I'venever seen one of these, I don't
know if they exist, but theoretically there's gamma ray
laser weapons, Direct Energy weapons.
So I mean you you could potentially do this that way as
well. If I fucking fry your ass with a
gamma ray laser, it's probably going to burn a silhouette of

(01:28:37):
your ass on the on the concrete.Well, do you do you know how you
create gamma rays like? How do you?
Specifically create them. No, I don't.
They're high energy electromagnetic radiation.
That is the definition of a gamma ray.

(01:28:57):
That is how gamma rays are produced here.
I'll Google it. I I don't.
I don't think you're wrong. I believe you.
They can be produced by radioactive decay, nuclear
reactions, particle accelerators, annihilation
events, astrophysical processes,and that's it.

(01:29:24):
That's all I that's all I got. Astrophysical supernova.
Black hole activity. Neutron * Collisions,
Annihilation events. What I also find interesting is
a little bit of a little off topic, I guess.
Not really. Kind of People are quick to say,

(01:29:49):
they're quick to laugh when I say nukes are fake, right?
And they'll give me the whole, you know, radiations dangerous,
blah, blah, blah. And then as soon as I say 5 GS
dangerous, they're like, no, no,no, no, that's not dangerous.
But. 5G is dangerous. But you're getting hit, you're
getting hit with non ionized radiation and ionized radiation
from 5G from millimeter waves. So if if you believe that nukes

(01:30:12):
are real, and if you believe that there's a radioactive
danger from that, or just a danger from radioactivity in
general, I guess then you shouldalso believe that 5G is
dangerous. I believe 5G is dangerous.
I'm sure I think you do. I don't think that's one that we

(01:30:33):
would have to debate on. No, 5G is a myth and it's not
dangerous because it's fake A. Lot of milking Jeff conversation
going on in the chat. Yeah, and you know what?
They'll have to stay after the show to find out exactly what
I'm. I mean by that.

(01:30:55):
Oh look, the Moors here, Somebody was going to back me up
for once. Radioactive means radiation.
Radiation comes from all explosives, right?
This is what I was saying earlier, bro.
Like I could go pick a rock up from outside and like it's
radioactive to a degree. I'm radioactive to a degree.
Everything is radioactive to a degree.

(01:31:15):
The bigger your fucking bomb is,the more radioactive it's
probably going to be. Now does that mean that the
bomb, it's the, the, the nuclear, the fission explosion
is creating this nuclear falloutthat's fucking detrimental to
all society? I don't think so.
It's a fear OP bro. Radiation is the term used for

(01:31:36):
the expulsion of of particles orenergy from unstable atoms.
The the radiation itself is veryharmful, especially when it's
ionized. Ionized radiation expels

(01:31:57):
electrons from the structure of atoms, causing those to be
unstable. Depending on what those atoms
are, our structure of those atoms are are building blocks of
many different structures, biological structures.

(01:32:17):
It could be detrimental, especially when you're talking
about DNA strands. Radiation is very harmful,
especially ionizing radiation. There's there's a lot of
experiments with ionizing radiation.
Google it, Jeff. What am I Googling I.

(01:32:46):
Don't know. Yeah, I saw you pull out your
phone, man. I'm I'm interacting with the
chat brother, bored. How are you?
Well, it is, it is. It is 940 Jacob.

(01:33:09):
Yeah. I think it's time for your final
goodbye, buddy. Oh man.
Well, we we tricked you. It's not just a goodbye for me.
It's a goodbye for the show. It's dead.
So that's all true. Get out here now.
Go on. Get.
We don't want you anymore. We don't love you.
Go on. Beat it.

(01:33:32):
It's been fun. It's been real.
It's been real fun at times. Yeah.
Moving on to the next thing. Not a goodbye forever, but
certainly for now I just got to get my priorities together and
get my life back on track because I'm just kind of falling
apart at the seams. And, you know, it's just

(01:33:55):
something I got to do for myselfand for my my wife and mostly
for myself. So I'm going to skedaddle then.
All right, buddy. Well, best of luck to you man,
and thank you for starting infant rabbit hole with me.
That's always been appreciated, always will be.

(01:34:17):
Yeah, for sure, dude. And I'm.
Going to burn all of my infant rabbit hole stuff as soon as I
get off of here. So this and then this awesome
shirt that I did, you know, burning it all so I don't have
to look at it anymore and feel sad.
It's it's probably true. He probably probably will do
that. No, I spent too much money on

(01:34:38):
these shirts. I'm saving them.
He's. Probably going to post pictures
all over the Facebook. Yeah, it's a pile of shirts.
All right, Jeffrey, you got any final words?
Jake, it's been real. It's been fun.

(01:34:59):
It's been real fun. That's what I said.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, just parroting the
same thing. Yeah.
I'll come hang out in shadow band.
You just got to send me an invite.
Tell me, tell me what you and Creamer chatting about, and I'll
come over and gaslight you there.
It'll be fun. Yeah bro, I love it.

(01:35:22):
Fly to Florida and get that milkfrom you.
I'll. Be here, Milk, Jeff.
Yeah, you have a bag of almonds.Yeah.
All right, well, that has been another episode of The Infinite
Rabbit Hole. This has been Jake's last

(01:35:43):
episode of The Infinite Rabbit Hole.
If you are anybody but Jake, we'll see you next week where
we're supposed to have a guest right here.
Don't worry about it. You don't.
You don't have to worry about things like that anymore.
Well, maybe I want to watch, butif you know you're not going to
bring it up, then you. Have to.

(01:36:03):
You have to be surprised like everybody else now.
You don't have time to watch bro.
You got Bible study that's. Right, I was about to say I will
not be watching because I'll be involved in other things.
That's true. You can't even watch.
That's right, as it should be dead to me.
All right, well, that's been another episode of the Infinite

(01:36:25):
Rabbit Hole podcast. I look forward to bringing a lot
of new stuff in the next couple months.
Until next time, travelers, it'sbeen great.
We'll see you next week right here in the next fork in the
path of the Infinite Rabbit Hole.
Bye everybody. Bye.
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