221. Atlanteans & Lemurians w/ Lance Dorrel

Today we continue our conversation with author and Native researcher Lance Dorrel. We dive right into the tie with the natives of various North American tribes with the lost civilizations of the Atlanteans and the Lemurians.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole.
I'm your host Jeremy, and today we're going to jump right back
into the path that we were in last week with our guest Lance
Doral. And we're just going to jump
right into where I cut him off so so rudely at the point where

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he was about to jump in and tellus all about Atlantis and
Memoria. Before we do that, let's go
ahead and bring in my Co host ElHefe.
What is? That do what it do what it do?
How you doing bud? I'm all right, man.
I'm alive. Yeah, Yeah.

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You look FA ish. Thanks man.
Yeah Nah, just a little stiff. My neck has been killing me for
like 3 weeks now so. But other than that, man, I
really can't, can't complain. Nice man.
All right, moving on. Let's go ahead and jump into the

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guest for the night. Lance, how are you doing, man?
Hey guys, I'm doing well. Thanks for having me back of.
Course, absolutely man, we got some good feedback from last
week, really good feedback. We had some people reach out.
I don't know about Jeff, but I had some people who definitely
reach out to me and was like, hey man, that that guest that

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you had last week that was that was good stuff.
We'd love to love to hear him come back at some point.
And I was like, hey, good news, he'll be back in a few days.
So, so you don't have to wait long, we're going to jump right
in to where I rudely cut you offlast time.

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No worries, no worries. So you were you were getting
ready to jump in and talk to us about how Alanis and Lamoria
ties into all of this. So do you have a good spot to
lead off from with all that? Yeah, yeah.
So again, just for if anybody's just joining in real quick,

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again, my whole premises on thiswhole journey was I was trying
to understand what happened at the Little Bighorn.
History's one of history's greatest mysteries, the most
written about battle in U.S. history.
Number one or two, it goes back and forth with Gettysburg.
And just when I thought I had finally the pieces of the untold

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story, what happened there? I, Donovan Taylor and I, who is
a, is a dear, dear friend of mine.
He is my Cheyenne brother. We, we've set out to work on
that project. It took us six years and we were
getting a lot of history from Native American and First
Nations people from Canada. And then we started to run into

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very gracious folks from Mesoamerica who just started
sharing a lot of history about the Native and First Nations
people. And it all went back to when all
were one at one time. No, no linguistic
classifications, no tribal designations.
OK, so that's a good starting point.

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At the same time as those histories were being shared to
us, I started catching a lot of stories about the Atlanteans
from Native folks up in the around the Great Lakes, which
was pretty mind boggling. And then catching a lot of that
history also from people, First Nations people mainly in

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Saskatchewan, the province of Saskatchewan.
And that really took me by shock.
But again, if you don't know, you don't know and you try not
to be static with your research and keeping a very open mind.
And so basically what I was taught was these Atlanteans,

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when they fled out of the Straits of Gibraltar, I believe
that area, there's, there's a whole, all that speculation
about where it is that they cameinto the Northeastern United
States seaboard and developed relationships with the native
people on the Eastern seaboard, OK.

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At the same time, they went intoMesoamerica and South America at
the same time. All that information is coming
started catching glimpses of theLamorians out of the South
Pacific coming into the AmericanWest Coast, Mexico West Coast
and down in Peru. And the story seemed to coincide

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that these two highly advanced races that may have destroyed
themselves have been fled. These areas possibly had a lot
of dealings with the star peopleand star travelers and with

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people from other galaxies. You know, I mean, we have to
keep a very open mind in this. And you guys are that way and
I'm that way. But for the average person,
they're like, you know, that sounds woo woo.
Well, if it's woo woo, then they've all got the same
stories. So I look for a consistency.
And these think these stories just kept coming and coming.
And to wrap this part of it up, look at the Hopi.

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The Hopi talk about those, the Atlanteans, the Mayans have a
lot of history with the Atlanteans.
The Cherokee have history. And so it just kind of morphed
into that. And then once I had that in my
purview, other pieces started coming.
So everywhere I turned, they were somewhere.

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So there's a, there's a lot of lore behind Atlantis and
Lamoria, right? Most of which most of which that
I've heard has to deal with the concepts of hollow Earth.
A lot of them going and, and falling down into the hollows of

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the Earth or, or taking shelter into the hollows of the Earth
back when the, you know, the, the best way I can describe it
is the biblical flood event occurs right now.
Of course, there's cultures all around the world that tell of
many different things. They all have their, their

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flooding events. They all seem to have their
stories of, of advanced civilizations that you can tie
into the Lemoria or, or Atlantis.
Now, what was the general description that the Native
Americans or the Mesoamericans? What did they, what did they

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describe these Alanians as being?
Were they advanced like the the Alanians that we know of that we
hear about, or were they more ofjust equal people to them?
Good question. They, they were highly advanced

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to, compared to the people that were in North America,
Mesoamerica and South America. For instance, the Atlanteans
that came to the Mayans, they, they, they said they came in
some type of crafts and it, it was like one person was in a

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craft and it was like a cylinder, you know?
Oh man, you guys have seen that where it's like a it looks like
an astronaut laying in the the capsule, right?
Yeah, the Mayan relief carving. Yeah, it's like a cryopod.

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Kind of thing. They they talk about coming in
in cylinders like that, that that's never left my memory.
That one is that one's in there.It, it, it talks about the, the
Mayans, excuse me, the Atlanteans infusing the, the,
the, the red people. And that's not me putting a term

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on people. That's from native people and
the, the Lemurians infusing the brown race.
OK, is the brown race people of South America and and
Mesoamerica and the Pacific, thePacific islands?
Yeah, it, it sure seems that way.

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So coming in the in these craftswas one of them, but there was
something that there was a connection with interventions
from the star ancestors, the star people and the star beings
that these people they came to never ever forgot.
So you know that that's that's where this all starts.

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But there's a lot of stuff that we don't even know about that
was so covered up, you guys. And you guys know this.
And I think it goes back to the mound builders because again, we
don't know who the first people in of North America is.
We got a pretty good idea on number 2-3 and four and two is

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the people from South America, Mesoamerica.
But we don't know really who washere, the first group, who these
mound Builders were or who were some of these people said to be
possibly giants. But again, when you're saying a
giant, we, you know, you don't want to go there where it's 10
to 12 feet. It may be somebody who was 6

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foot 6 foot, 66 foot 8, on and on.
OK Yeah. So that's where it gets a little
hard. But you got to remember, too,
like you were saying, Jeremy, there was these floods and
cataclysmic events. And there's a lot of stuff where
these Lemurians and Mayans, excuse me, keep saying Mayans,

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the Lemurians and the Atlanteansseem to have some kind of a
struggle with each other, and they may have started one of
these cataclysmic events, OK. So there's there's a lot of
geological evidence of a flood. And this is something that I've
meant to dive into quite a bit. Jeff has tied in this into what

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was the topic that you did that one time, Jeff?
The younger, driest impact? That's right, the younger driest
impact. But there's a lot of evidence
that that the Earth may just go through cycles of, of flooding.
And they say that there there's more water under the surface of
the planet than there is on the surface of the planet.

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And I heard an interesting fact the other day that I that I just
thought was kind of mind blowing.
And it, it just kind of puts things into perspective for you.
That's if we, we have some, we have some flat earthers that
listen to this. And Jeff, depending on what what
day of the week it is will bounce back and forth on that.

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But if, if you're one of the people who believe that the
Earth is a globe, this one will connect for you.
So there's more depth to the Earth when you go to the core of
the Earth, then there is in distance between New York and
LA. Now think about that.
That's a lot of space, a lot of space.

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And then you take that and you, you include the entire, the
entire innards of, of the planetand you think of all the caverns
that can be in that. That's a lot of places for water
to, to be. Now you, you, you take the, the
planet and you throw it out intoa vacuum of space and you spin

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it. You basically create a
centrifuge, right? What happens in the centrifuge?
I mean, if anybody's ever jumpedin the Gravitron ride at their
local carnival, they know, right?
You, you stick to the wall. I mean, you'd have to think at
some point, sometime water's going to spill out.

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It's going to come to the surface.
Because one of the biggest arguments that I've heard is,
well, against the flood idea is where does all the water come
from? There's not enough ice on the
surface of the planet to create that amount of flooding.
Well, I, I don't believe that the, the water comes from the

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surface of the planet. I believe it comes from
underneath. So there could be these ebbs and
flows sort of like a breathing effect on the planet where water
escapes these gigantic caverns, comes to the surface, wipes,
wipes everything out and civilizations could be inside

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the inner earth. And I, I, I find that absolutely
fascinating. And when I did my deep dive into
the hollow hollow earth concept,this was actually a whole part
of it that I had to cut out justbecause I, I already made it 4
episodes long and I think each episode was almost an hour long
already. So I had to, I had to kind of
cut it out a little bit. But there was this whole concept

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that I dove into where, where I discussed the longest borehole
that that humans have ever drilled was only about a little
over 4 miles deep. And that's in Russia and, and
the hole is literally just the size of, it's about 6 inches
wide. The entire hole is only about

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6-6 inches wide and it's about four miles deep.
That's as far as we've ever drilled.
That's it. There's a lot of stuff
underneath this, this, this planet that, that we don't know
about. So I, I guess I, you know, I, I
went off on a, on a bit of a tangent there because I know the
argument that I'm going to get in my messages about the flood.

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The water, the water this, I think there's just I, I agree
with you to an extent, but I do think that you got to remember,
man, like before the younger driest events, the, all of the
oceans were about 400 feet lower.
OK, So when people say there's not enough water on the surface

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to account for these floods, well, there is.
The entire world's oceans rose 400 feet.
That's the water. And all the coastline that was
submerged, which is a lot, are the lands that were flooded,
right? So and then, you know, you could
add into the cataclysms like theScablands and stuff like that in

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the Northwest of the United States, Like there was
definitely, definitely, definitely massive floods that
washed across the North, like North America, North American
continent, right? And whatever was there was
completely just scratched off the surface of the Earth.
Well, the entire Uinta Basin of Utah was was a giant.

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All of that. Was a giant lake.
All of that and then, you know, I also just want to point
something out too on the Giants thing.
I don't know how real some of the reports are, right, But
there's a book called Giants of America.
And in that book, there's a bunch of articles that were
published like all through like the second-half of the 1800s and

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like the early 1900s. And a lot of those articles were
basically saying that they were digging up some of these, these
burial mounds and they were finding 9/12/14 foot skeletons
in those mounds. So, you know, I, I hear what
you're saying. Like back in those days, 6 foot,
you know, 6 foot 6 was a giant and that they were probably

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finding those two those things too.
And those people were probably revered as giants.
But I also think that there were12 and 14 foot giants walking
around according to those articles.
Yeah, yeah. And and for anybody to be so
narrow minded to say these things can't happen, that
Atlanteans didn't exist, Lemurians didn't exist and there

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were no giants here. Who possibly may have been the
mound builder building culture. That's just not sound reasoning
to close those doors without a thorough investigation.
And I mean, look, go back to theJeremy talking about the
Subalterranean area of the of this planet.

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You've got the Hopi and you've got Lakota.
Talk about emerging after cataclysmic events up from the
ground, right? You know, is that a coincidence?
I don't think so. I think it has a lot of merit to
it based on their oral history. OK, Because they're leaving the

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oral history tradition for theirpeople now.
Did they cover some of this up when they were talking to
ethnographers at the turn of the20th century?
Yeah, that's been proven. But but the bottom line is
you're trying to leave a trail for future generations.
And if if a person wants to takea deep dive into the Hopi, you

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just simply need to read Frank Waters book on the Hopi.
And Waters spent considerable time with those folks in New
Mexico, and he was able to gleanan incredible amount of
information. That book is a treasure trove
that nobody talks about. And you have these stories of
the of the underground tunnels and passages all through the

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American West. I mean, you guys have heard
this, OK. Oh, yeah.
How many times have we also heard in contemporary terms
there? There possibly is a so vast a
network of underground systems and tunnels in our country that
none of us know about either, either put here for military

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purposes to protect us all or possibly for other nefarious
means. I don't know.
I'm not sure we will ever know those things, unfortunately.
But if we're, we have to be pretty damn naive to think that
there's nothing underground herethat hasn't already been here,
that's not being used now, that's just not good common
sense, right? That's just not that.

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That's closing the door on too much stuff.
So yeah, it's, it's this, this, this thing from underground.
It needs to be investigated. And we're always taught to look
up. Well, there's a lot of stories
about Underground as well. I got a question for you, Lance,
because I don't, I only know of like the Hopies, you know,

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stories or traditions through like all I've seen on YouTube
and stuff, right? Like, I've never actually talked
to anybody who's actually lookedinto this.
Do they they reference the Ant people, right?
Isn't that what they say? The Ant people?
Have you ever heard of Phil Schneider?
Phil Schneider. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Phil Schneider, he was a
contractor for I forget which company, and they were part of

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building these giant undergroundnetworks.
And his whole thing was when they were building one of these
underground bunkers or whatever they were, that they broke
through to a cavern that was already there and they
encountered these beings. Now, he didn't say that they
were aliens, but the way he described them were big heads,
big eyes. And I always just kind of link
that to like the Ant people specifically because it was

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underground, right? Yeah.
Yeah, that's it is interesting. Well, you know, that whole story
about Phil Snyder in itself is intriguing because it it sounds
so ex files that he he came online and he was showing his
hand where he had some fingers removed, right.
And he he, he goes down the rabbit hole, so to speak,

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leading us to believe that it all happened down in Dulce in
New Mexico, remember? And then there was some loose
documentation that came out thatthe late great John Lear brought
to out to the public in the early 90s saying that these
special forces guys got in, got into a firefight down there and

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lost many of their men as well. I may be confusing those two
events as one in the same, but the Phil Snyder thing, Jeff, I
think the story is, is right on about the Hopies and the Ant
people. And I have no reason to believe
that they're still not around just because we don't see him.

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But I think Phil Snyder was proven to be not who he said he
was. Agree.
And that's happening to Doctor Steven Greer right now.
But you know, what I tell peopleis that when when these psyops
occur, when you have these agents of disinformation like
Phil Schneider and Doctor Greer,they purposely do sprinkle

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truths into the lies. And that's what gets people, you
know, way down the rabbit hole. So I think there are some truths
to, you know, whether Phil Schneider was exactly who he
said he was or not, right? Those operations were happening.
You're on. You're on it, buddy.
And listen, one of my dearest, dearest friends, you know, I'm

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not going to drop his name, but he's still with us.
He was a intelligence officer during the Vietnam War and I got
to spend a lot of time with thatman and I'm very blessed because
of his knowledge of Native American history.
And he's a Native American and we'll leave it at that.
But he was an intelligence officer, non commissioned

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officer. And a lot of us that know him,
when we have a lot of conversations on the research
trail, we're always saying the old intelligence officer, well,
Jeff, you'll like this. The old intelligence officer
always said the best place to hide the truth is between two
lies. And if, if you know this guy,

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he's right out of central casting.
And man, he's, he's just a beautiful human being.
But he's all business at times. So you're right on it.
You're right on it, Jeff. You're right on it.
Yeah, and you know, that's relevant to what you're talking
about with Atlantis and Lemuria too, because, you know, I run
into this a lot being the conspiracy guy, right?
When you, when you say certain words, words that have been

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psyop to shit, right? Atlantis, Lemuria, Chemtrails,
anything like this, right? People immediately have an image
in their mind of what they thinkthat looks like and it's easy
for them to debunk that as crazy, right?
So when say the word Atlantis orAtlanteans, I know that most
people are thinking of like fantastical like stuff and they

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might have been, but they have this image from like the the
Disney movie, right? Or whatever it might be, or like
the show, like Stargate Atlantisor something, like they have
these preconceived notions of what this is, but it could have
just been, you know, humans thatwere just on another level of

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intelligence that we're not, we're not supposed to believe
they had back then, right? Like they're supposed to be
using copper tools or whatever the hell it is.
Maybe they weren't. Maybe they, they figured out
metallurgy, right? Maybe they figured out other
ways to manipulate, you know, physics and, and stuff like
that, like we're doing now. You know, it doesn't have to be
that they were all flying aroundin UFOs and Cities of Gold and

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all that shit, you know? No, you again, you're on it
because what you said if, if everybody would stop and slow
down and not be so quick to judge a higher form of
consciousness and spirituality sets anybody apart from anybody,
right? So if, if, if they're on that

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level. I mean, look, you remember Edgar
Cayce, Kentucky? Yeah.
Oh yeah. Casey went down that rabbit hole
and did those readings on the Mayans.
He talked about the Atlanteans and Lemurians, and he talked

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about him coming, you know, and people don't talk about Edgar
Casey anymore, but his research is still out there all over the
Internet for people to talk about.
He did a lot of stuff about after Death too, didn't he?
Yes. Yeah.
And what's crazy about that is, is he was a very religious man.
Like in his non meditative states or whatever hypnotic

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state, wherever he was in, he was like, from what I
understand, he was actually disturbed by his own, you know,
recountings of these things. Like, you know, when he would
come to his conscious mind, he was like, whoa, like this is
not. This goes against my faith, but
he still did it. And that's kind of one of the
things that makes me feel like he was on point.

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Yeah, I mean, let's put this in perspective.
The Atlanteans, OK, That if you pick up the research trail and
you're just following this as ifit existed because that's what
you got to do to follow the research trail, in my humble
opinion, OK, You follow that evidence where it takes you.

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So the evidence was told to me in oral history.
It's written extensively. And then if you follow this to
Atlanteans coming into the American E Northeast and
Southeast and into South Americaand Mesoamerica, that means that
they're with these people as they come into Florida and

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Georgia later on, OK. Those people, as we said last
week, are the ancestors to the Catalan speaking people who will
be a Rickera, Pawnee, Wichita tothe Muskogan people.
And the Creek people talk about this all the time.

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They're Muskogan. If I remember right, the Creek
people talk about Atlanteans, Cherokee talk about them Sioux
and speaking people. And those people from
Mesoamericans and and South America are going to be the
predecessors to the Sioux and people.
And remember this, the Hopi are responsible for some tribes

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around America when they rotate around because Frank Waters said
they went four different directions.
OK, The Chickasaw and I believe the Choctaw who are at one time
in Georgia and Tennessee will tell you they're from the Hopi,
as will the NES purse out in Eastern Washington, Eastern
Oregon and Idaho. OK, So the trail is Atlanteans

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to South America. Those people come into the
United States and are the predecessors of many, many
strong linguistic stocks who become the stalwarts of what we
will be brought up on, on TV andin the history books, people who
become the Sioux, right? And they then are called, what

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are they called? It's the Snakes, OK, Now where
this all, where this all collides and where people don't
realize this is, is, that's the second peopling of this
continent. The third peopling comes out of

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the Bering Land Bridge down through Alaska, the Yukon
Territory, all up across all parts of Canada, down into the
Northern Plains, Pacific Northwest.
Those people again are are said to be led by the Lenape.
And then you got the Cree and the Ojibwa off them.

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And then from there you have allof these Algonkin people who are
prodigious warriors who by the way are highly represented at
the Little Bighorn that nobody wants to talk about other than
Cheyenne and a handful Arapaho, which is which is a complete
nonsense. In the oral history.

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The Cheyenne's did the fighting at the Little Bighorn.
There were many Arapaho there, not just five.
There's also many grovant who are close to the Arapaho.
There's Black Feet, Cree and Ojibwa at the Little Bighorn.
Based on oral history that is kept by all these different
tribes that went underground as soon as that battle got over the

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4th peopling seems to be Danae people who become the Apache
Navajo people. OK.
So, so if you put that in perspective and you just keep an
open mind that that's how it goes, before that or during
those migrations, there could have been floods and there was

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some kind of a cataclysmic eventthat Algonquin people up around
the Great Lakes talk about, about a meteor crashing and how
they had to go underground for anumber of years to survive that.
OK, So you know, again, I'm not trying to lead anybody.
I'm not trying to tell everybodythat I have all the answers.

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I'm just telling you the path that I'm what's been told to me
and it's been taught to me that that we need to put all of these
on the table. You work columns and you see how
many get checks you get on the left and right and, and, and you
got to do a lot of a lot of research, a lot of reading
because it's, it's so overwhelming because you forget

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about a lot of it unless you go back and, and copious amounts of
notes. But I, I, we're on the right
trail here And, and this information that's starting to
kind of leak out now. It, it, it's good because it's
making us look at things in a much better open minded
possibility. So, you know, that that's just

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kind of, I wanted to bring the reader back up the OR the
listeners back up to speed, but go ahead.
Oh man. Oh shit.

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Wow. How long ago was this meteor
impact do you know? Well, the way I interpreted it,
the people who are the Ojibwa, also known as the Anishinabe,

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were all around the Great Lakes and in southern Ontario and in
Manitoba. Now we know the Ojibwe and the
Cree are two of the biggest Algonquin linguistic stocks of
people in in all over North America.

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OK. And they talk about this meteor
streaking across and everything became so hot that they had to
go underwater and underground toavoid it.
So. Again, are you talking hundreds,
thousands years, 10,000 years? I don't think it was.

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I don't, I'm, I'm not going to. I wouldn't want to put my eggs
in the basket of 100,000. I think you need to come back up
closer to your 10,000 number, and maybe even less than that.
12,800 to 11,600 years multiple impacts.
That's the younger driest impacttheory.
In between that 1200 year periodthere was multiple impacts from

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a fragmented comet that you knowhas and we still have this, the
torrid meteor shower is fragments of the same comet.
We still pass through this twicea year and that's where you get
the meteor showers once in the spring and once in the fall.
I wonder if there's there's got to be some sort of engine that

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somebody has built, some sort ofsimulation where.
There is. Where, Yeah, but where I think.
Boston University, I think. There's got to be some
simulation where they where theycould have predicted where where
where we would have seen most ofthe impacts at.
I wonder if it was anywhere nearthe Great Lakes.

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It was that's that's right wheremy freaking mind went, man.
Well, if you remember them when I did that younger driest thing,
I mean, that was the, the main bulk of the impacts were in the
North American ice sheet, which again was two 2 1/2 miles thick
of ice, right? So, you know, that's all that
water, that 400 foot of sea level rise, when those comet

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fragments broke up in the atmosphere and pelted all across
the North American ice sheet, right?
It instantaneously melted trillions of gallons of, of ice
right into water. And that's what flooded across
the northern plains. That's what raised the sea
levels. And again, this happened
multiple times over that 1200 years because we go through

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this, this part, this debris field twice a year.
So there was a lot of big impacts, you know, 1012 thousand
years ago, all the way down intoTurkey too, Like I mean across
the whole planet, like Europe got fucking smacked, you know,
all the way down into Turkey where Gobekli Tepe is like, and
and that's been dated to right, right.

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Then what would be buried? Just because my my mind works
like this, just completely off the path here.
I wonder when the Tunguska impact was.
This is interesting to me. All this is super interesting to
me, Lance, for multiple reasons.One, because like we talked
about this last week, right? The, the hidden history, the
alternate history and stuff thatwe're taught.
But really it's because you're telling me things that the

(35:28):
native peoples have told you. And all of these things line up
with all of these other people who are talking about these
other things, right? So it's interesting to me, like
even when we talk about like Atlantis, right?
Like we all know Atlantis comes from the story from Plato and
his uncle Solon, you know, and it was all this stuff, right?
Solon went to Egypt and heard from the Egyptians about

(35:50):
Atlantis, right? So we all think Plato's account
of Atlantis is like the first, you know, that's where it all
comes from. But now you're telling me, no,
all these different people that were here in the Americas have
stories of Atlantis as well. So.
Yeah, let me let me take you down this quick rabbit hole.

(36:11):
So, so again, while I keep, I keep looking down into all of my
notebooks. So bear with me because you
know, I, I love to do this, but I, I, I don't know if I'm just
getting a little bit older and I'm on overload these days.
I'm just not retaining like I used to.
So apologies, bear with me. I'm, I'm going to try to give
you some information that it's been told to me.

(36:35):
And, and all I can say is the only time I'll pat myself on the
back. At least I was smart enough to
write it down. Right.
OK, so so we know roughly, I'm going back in the notes,
somewhere around 11,000 years ago, Atlantis was destroyed.
Is that destroyed because of that comet or that meteor?

(36:55):
I don't know, but I believe it was the Greek.
His name was Solar. So he's the guy that talked
about this because he had gone all over Egypt and Greece before
Socrates and then maybe down to Persia and the Temple of Sias.

(37:20):
And let's see, he was taught by Egyptians priest.
And I guess there was some kind of inscriptions.
It talks about the Earth's entire history.
Yes, I remember this and said there were many, many floods and
fires that had Atlantis history that had that talked about the
Atlanteans being destroyed in their history there and that

(37:42):
Egypt actually came from the Atlanteans and there was many
old worlds that we never knew about and they were destroyed
and had powerful knowledge. Socrates was told this, but
Plato's not even around yet. Plato taught by Socrates then he

(38:02):
told the Atlantis Atlantis story, but he couldn't write it
down. The true Atlantis story he had,
he he had to do it as fiction orhe would be murdered like
Socrates. We don't want to forget that.
OK, Right. OK, so, so let me tie back into
the Native American people here.So I just talked to you about

(38:24):
the Anishinaabe, the Ojibwe. They talk about how they
directly came from the Atlanteans.
OK, I forgot about that. That's why I got to go through
all this stuff again. So here you have Anishinabe
people who say they directly came from the Atlanteans.

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Anishinabe are Algonkins who came out of East Central Asia,
Mongolia, Siberia, islands northof Japan.
So how the hell do they get involved with these Atlanteans
who clear come out of the Straits of Gibraltar?

(39:08):
Well, maybe those Algonkins wentacross Central Asia.
See, you know, again, we have topresent all of this.
And I could have left that out. But I want I want everybody to
hear this. I don't, I don't have an answer.
I'm just telling you, OK. The second thing I want to bring
to your attention real quick is the Sioux people.

(39:29):
The Sioux people, Lakota, DakotaNakota.
Nakota talked about worshipping the serpents, and they talked
about specifically how the serpents are from the
Atlanteans. OK, so you got two major
linguistic stocks suing people, Algonkin people now telling us

(39:51):
that why they battled each other.
They both came from Atlanteans. I, I just, when you put that out
there and you try to understand that and wrap your mind about
that, that is so real. Because they, they don't have to
go that far. And, and, and that's just what
these people are. They have no reason to lie about

(40:13):
these things. So I just wanted to throw those
things out at you. That's super interesting.
Is there a reason why most of this history is like oral
history? Yeah.
Is that like, I mean, I I'm assuming it's done on purpose,
but do you know what that reasonis?

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Well, that's the traditional historical way that they they
recorded their their. No, I understand that.
But like, is there like a fundamental reason, right.
Like, you know, seems like most other cultures have a habit of
like etching shit in the stone or writing it on cowhide or
like, you know, writing this stuff down for future

(40:55):
generations where it seems like,you know, native peoples in the
Americas did a lot more oral passing down.
And I just wonder if if that waslike a way for them to not have
their history fucked with or something.
I don't know, you know well. I mean, again, that's a whole.

(41:17):
So there's a lot of really neat information to add to that,
Jeff. So they they did put this
information down on winter hide counts on Buffalo robes.
OK, but I've yet to see anythingthat would indicate that they're
telling us that they came from the Atlanteans or the Lemurians.

(41:37):
But but again, I I might have missed something, but I feel
pretty confident that we that would have been brought to
light. But let's go back to the Jeremy
talking about oral history. What I what I have been taught
through on my journey is these people, as we talked about in

(41:58):
the last episode, we're so highly advanced up and I don't
want to say up and tell anythinghere because they still are, but
I just want to give the reader and the listener A-frame a
picture here. We know it, the little Bighorn,
the government was chasing thesepeople for these abilities.

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And what I'm trying to articulate here is these
abilities to remember and recallat will and to remember
landmarks that they travelled over and they were trained as
youngsters to recall oral history and that had a direct

(42:42):
impact on keeping knowledge. OK, So these people worked at
oral history, they worked at teaching their young oral
history and they worked at reciting oral history because it
might just come in handy to savethem if they're out somewhere,
some ways out in the middle of nowhere.

(43:02):
But also they were taught and again, I think they had higher,
higher capabilities than will ever know to retain possibly
they have a better abilities to visualize that what they're
retaining. OK, we're probably just going to
scratch the surface on that, Jeff, but yeah, they had things

(43:23):
that we don't have any clue of, man.
That makes sense. I mean, that I, I guess I didn't
even really consider that, right?
Because like you were saying last week, you know, these
people had abilities, right? They were more in tune.
They were probably accessing thespirit world on a level that
none of us are, right. So.
Oh, yeah, that makes more sense to me.
Like, OK, listen, they were ableto call it access the Akashic

(43:45):
records and not just repeat oralhistory, but actually access the
information and then recite it to you, right?
Like that. That's kind of what I'm getting
out of that. Maybe they could do the rituals,
do the thing and access the Akashic records if you believe
in that kind of thing, and that is the information that they're
able to recite. So I've sorry, I, I got caught

(44:10):
up going down my own rabbit holehere.
I had to bring up my, my, my research on hollow Earth here
and look at my old script because I wanted to look at, I
wanted to see if timelines linedup with, with the, the, the
impact that Jeff was talking about and the impact that you

(44:31):
were talking about in the Elanians and everything.
And if my research lined up, andit seems that it does, it's
pretty wild, I'm going to I'm going to read just this
paragraph here from my research.Sounds.
Good from over a year and a halfago now, but still it's the The

(44:51):
research comes from two books. The books are The Hollow Earth
by David by Doctor Raymond Bernard, and From the
Subterranean World to the Sky, Flying Saucers by OC Huguenen
and I wrote. The men describe civilization as

(45:12):
rich, spiritual, scientific, andhaving incredible economic,
civil, social, and cultural developments.
It was Huguenenen who would go on to eventually explain that
the civilizations of the Inner Earth were first created by the
law societies of Atlantis and Lemuria after they found refuge
under the Earth's surface when their continents flooded and

(45:33):
eventually sank. It was the Atlanteans who would
colonize the Inner Earth first roughly 11,500 years ago and
were eventually joined by the people of Lamoria 2500 years
ago. The Atlanteans were considered
to be an extremely technologically advanced
civilization who use energy gathered by the atmosphere to
propel craft, known as Vimanas, which were described as being

(45:55):
identical to the description of flying saucers.
It was these vimanas that aided the safe transportation of all
Atlianians through the cavities of the poles of the earth into
their new subterranean whole home before their surface home
was completely destroyed. Hugin even goes on to explain
that these vimanas were most likely only used for
interplanetary traveling until we in the exterior world

(46:17):
announced our existence with theatomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima in 1945. These vimanas were first
described in the Indian epic Ramayana, where a celestial
crash from the Vedic period 1500to 500 BC referred to as a
vamana, which was a bodily controlled aerial vehicle

(46:38):
capable of traveling great distances in a very short amount
of time. Vamana, super interesting, man.
I definitely want to know more like I want to know more of the
oral history. Oh, Speaking of that, Look,
look, Lance. Yeah, mine hasn't come yet.

(47:02):
Where'd you get yours? I told you I was buying it.
I wasn't lying to you. Oh, you got it off Amazon,
didn't you? Tell me more, Lance.
Tell me more of this oral history, man.
What do they, what do they say about the Atlanteans?
I want to know, man. I'm super interested.
Well, it was. It was just that people needed

(47:25):
to keep an open mind that these new gener the the current
generations of Native people andFirst Nations were not looking
were not didn't even know their history.
And that was the whole genesis of a lot of our research was
sadly, a lot of those folks had,you know, they, they weren't
able to take that journey that their ancestors had been to

(47:48):
learn this oral history because of of all the atrocities
starting with the genocide wagedagainst the people next to the
boarding schools and then shipping, shipping people off in
the work programs where they were trying to get Native
American people out of very rural areas.
And they were shipping them to Chicago, Minneapolis, LA,

(48:11):
Albuquerque, Denver, maybe even Portland.
And, you know, they, they were destroying their culture by
making them go to work. And so, so we, we lost so much
like that. I think the native people talked
about we lost six generations. But the oral history on the

(48:31):
Atlanteans, specifically in the Lemurians, it's, it's just a few
people at best. And again, it was just that the
Atlanteans seem to get in on theeastern side of the of the US,
while the Lemurians came in on the West side of the US and
western South America, the Atlanteans on eastern side of
South America. And from there they worked their

(48:52):
way up with the people. Were they the leaders of the
people? I mean, maybe I don't know, I'm
not sure how far we can take it other than just to constantly go
back into these books by these people.
But this book here Star Ancestors, Extraterrestrial

(49:13):
Contact in the Native American Tradition by Nancy Red Star.
This is an absolutely fascinating book.
Came out in the early 90s, Nancywent on a journey and she was
going around to meet many, many Native people.
And that book is so full of stories about the Atlanteans
from Cherokee people trying to think who else maybe people on

(49:38):
the on the northeast. And she visited with the Hopi a
lot. So you know, that book right
there is, is a very good book. This book has that guy.
I, I don't know TJ. I'd like to meet him someday.
He's got other books out there, but he's done a lot of the

(49:58):
research and he's, he's been down the same path as me And he,
bless his heart and, and credit to him, he took the time to keep
his butt in the chair and right,put that book together.
And if people want an interesting read, get that book.
So on Amazon, I think you can get it for like $19.00.
He takes a deep dive into a lot of that stuff.

(50:18):
So, and, and I think he, TJ followed, he, he walked to the
Americas a lot. I think TJ was, if I remember
right, he was sourcing L Taylor Hanson and her work.
But TJ did a great, he brings out the stuff on Edgar Cayce and
those guys. But I mean, look, the bottom

(50:40):
line is the Native American people, their oral history is
intact. Well, maybe not all of them know
it. They still have vestiges to a
lot, a lot of information and what I find now fascinating, if
you if we transition from the Atlanteans to the Lemurians, any

(51:03):
more contemporary landscape, they they talk about back in the
day having ceremonies with the star people.
Now, you know, I'm not going to sit here and and and tell you
guys or the listeners specific places or specific names told to

(51:24):
me because that's not my my story to tell.
But I may be able to help you meet some of these people that
may do it. And that'll be a hell of an oral
history for you, Jeff. So, but but this stuff is there.
The other oral history talking about their interactions with
the star people and these Atlanteans is, is that there was

(51:46):
a lot of battles like this ongoing conflict with these star
people. And what I was have been made to
understand is that this cosmic battle that was taking place on
Earth that involved native people was much, much more.

(52:07):
And the only word that I can describe to you guys now, it was
much, much more cosmic. And I'm not even sure if that's
even an accurate description. What comes to my mind is to
think of it more in the terms ofStar Wars.

(52:27):
And yeah, we can go there to thetrilogy of George Lucas.
But I had one time a Native American elder.
And this person helped me a tremendous amount open my eyes.
And this person was a tremendoushistorian, very, very spiritual.
And she made, she told me, and she was putting this in

(52:52):
contemporary terms for me, but she said the stuff that was
going on here made that show TheLast Airbender.
When there's some show called The Last Airbender, she talked
about that. She said that made that show
look pedestrian. Now I can't make that up, guys.

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I mean, this is this, this, thisperson, so true, so genuine.
You know, it's just we, we have to throw away all of our
preconceived notions about what was here and how powerful these
people were. And that's the whole genesis of

(53:37):
this conspiracy, if you will, Jeff, that when the people came
over, they had to eradicate not only these people, they had to
eradicate all their forms of culture and you had to cut off
their spirituality. So maybe they couldn't access

(53:58):
that stuff again because the youcan't have the dominant society
being portrayed as Dumber than the ones they killed, right?
It's almost like they're doing that now just with, you know,
technological advances that they're doing it in the in the
6th generational way to us now where, you know, they're, I say
this a lot like it's a spiritualwarfare, right?

(54:19):
And it's seems like it was back then too.
And it makes total sense to me. Wipe all of it off because it's
more powerful than our, you know, industrial age that we
were getting into, right? They, they can't have that shit
competing. You know, it's when you talk
about like, energy and like electricity and like, we were
using all that kind of stuff. Like right around this time,

(54:41):
right, Right in the the end of the 1800s, we start moving into
all this stuff. You have to get rid of all the
holistic shit to make way for this new synthetic world, right?
This new world order? Yeah.
I mean, look, there's, there's oral history shared to me that
talks about the native people fighting these different groups

(55:06):
of star people. Some said, like they said, the
great, like we said last week, the greys that were indigenous
to this continent when they got here or either they were put
here before the the native people get to the ability to
fight them. OK, so that that's one side of
the story. What I found even more

(55:26):
fascinating was a lot of historyshared to me talked about the
natives fighting with these spiritual beings who are their
allies and these spiritual beings.
And I can't tell you any of their names.
I can't tell you exactly where this happened.
And if I, if I could, I wouldn't.

(55:47):
I'd want the native people to come on here and tell you, but I
can't take it back that far. But what there's, there's
stories about what these spiritual beings are and star
people gave the native people tohelp them battle these other

(56:07):
star people. And it's mind boggling the
information they they were, theywere talking about.
There's, there's two things thatI can share.
One has to do with the blood of these spirit, these star people,
these these spirit beings that had to do with that their blood.

(56:31):
And I can't remember exactly allof it, but if something about
their blood could be used to thebenefit of their allies, I'm
sorry, I can't remember all of that.
I should have looked back in my notes.
You're good, man. The second part about this is,

(56:53):
you know how we've been catchinga lot of this stuff about the
the so-called the predator popping up, about people being
out of the woods hunting. Dave Politis brought it to
light. Yeah, the the distorted, the
cloaked creature, Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff

(57:15):
about that, about the the peoplewho are called Bigfoot or
Sasquatch, derogatory term by white America.
Native people will call them theforest people, Big Brother or
the people. And and so they get lumped into
that as well, that pixelation. And, and I don't know what this

(57:36):
pixelation is, but I can tell you that native people from the
star people had a way to do that.
OK, Now I'm not going to tell you the rest of that because
it's not for me to say. And hopefully we can get you
some guesses as as time goes on this summer and next fall that

(58:00):
can elaborate on that. And frankly, it'd be better for
them to tell you because if I told you what had been told to
me, we'll, we'll lose people on this one because it's so simple
of what they were given that they used to do this.
And what's mind boggling about it is, is that the gentleman

(58:25):
that I was telling you about, the old intelligence non
commissioned officer, when I waswith him for a number of years,
kind of a like an apprenticeship, so to speak.
And again, I'm very, very lucky that this man thought enough of
me to share this information andto teach me.

(58:47):
When he and I were discussing that at length, he was showing
me an old documentation how to look for the true names of these
old, old Native American bands. So for instance, he said, look
at the old trapper journals and the old journals from the Jesuit

(59:08):
priest and missionaries. And he was talking about look
for commonalities in a name. OK.
So for instance, one of the onesthat he was showing me and
they're suing people. They had their bands and their

(59:32):
locations always had to do with fish and fish scales.
Now, why that seems kind of boring or pedestrian.
Yeah, it is. But what he was showing me was
that's a telltale sign that theyweren't lying.
OK, because there was a commonality.

(59:55):
Now he then takes it 2 steps further to say, well, what do
you think? Why do you think there's telling
that story? And I, I said, I I wouldn't have
the clueless the clue. Well, that's not the answer he
wanted to hear. He said, think harder and come
back to me on that. So I'd go off and you know.

(01:00:15):
I don't want to sound too clichehere, but you know, like, you
know, like young grasshopper, you know, go study this.
And so I went to him and again, I failed him.
But he so because I was only with him for like short bursts
of time and you know, I didn't have two weeks to go off on my

(01:00:36):
own and learn this. This was like over a 2 hour
period. We're moving on, moving on.
But he was making me understand that those people were the
original bands of the Dakota, the suing people who come from
these snake people who are saying that they're Atlanteans.
OK, follow the trail here, Atlanteans to suing people who

(01:01:01):
who their parent stock is the Dakota.
Dakota, for all those listening,and one of their parent bands in
their name had fish scales, fisheaters, but fish scale was in
those peoples all, all across their information.

(01:01:24):
OK, now the reason I'm bringing that up and taking you on this
rabbit hole, so to speak, is those fish scales relate
directly to what I'm telling youabout the pixelation and the
predator. You follow me.
Yeah. I'll leave it at that for now

(01:01:45):
because the rest of that story needs to come from those people.
And, you know, they can certainly share about that
without giving away too much information.
OK, but but just let's put that in perspective. 1600s, they're
telling us where they came from.And then I'm catching pieces of

(01:02:09):
this from different people that they had the ability to use some
of these gifts given to them from star people or possibly the
Atlanteans, or maybe they're oneand both, right, that helped
them cloak. OK, well, if that's the case,

(01:02:31):
then we all should probably wakethe hell up a little bit and
start trying to visit with the native people because, you know,
yeah, I put a lot of time into this yet.
Yes, it's been my journey. Is it a lot of work and a lot of
travel? Well, yeah.
But it's very, I guess what I'm trying to tell the listener and
people out there is that if I can do it, so could you, Right.

(01:02:56):
There's protocols and proceduresyou got to do, but there's ways
to do this. OK, I don't know where to go
from there. I would be honest with you, man.
I mean, there, there's, there's so many.

(01:03:17):
Gosh, there's so many. I guess there's, there's so many
accounts of, of the predator cloaking, right, man?
It's the best way to describe it.
Yeah, dude, it's that's why I brought it up.
That's it's, it's, it's time to throw this out there, man.

(01:03:37):
You guys need to take this and run with this.
OK, because again, I'm, I'm trying to draw a parallel here
to you star people, Atlanteans to A, to a major group of, of
First Nations and native people,the Sioux and speaking people.

(01:03:59):
And, and one of their parent bands is, is out there telling
the world that they're where, where they camped and, and, and
their different band tribe nameswere had the fish scales in it,
fish eaters, all this different stuff.

(01:04:19):
And then I come along and, oh, by the way, you know, oh, hey,
you know, Lance, they why do youthink they're named like that?
Well, I don't know. Well, it's because those fish
scales, in some way or shape or form, were a gift from the star

(01:04:40):
people that helped their warriors cloak themselves like
the Predator 1617 or 1800s. OK, now the skeptic might ask,
well, then why didn't they use those abilities against the US
Army and defeat the Army with those abilities?

(01:05:02):
And to that I have no, I don't have any answer.
I don't have any recourse. That's a hell of a great
question. And I thought about that many
times myself, right? If you have those abilities, why
did you not use them, right. I think that's an honest
question, don't you guys? Yeah, that's a good question.

(01:05:24):
Yeah, you know, listen, you actually made me think of
something too. I don't know if this is
connected, but I imagine it probably is, and I'm trying to
figure out what this is called. Dagon.
Are you familiar with Dagon? You're talking.
About the go ahead. The people from Africa.
Well, yeah, there's a Dagon, thefish God.

(01:05:48):
Absolutely my friend. That's a great catch on your
part because the the the entity that brings them their
information is a fish. That's the connection.
It's like I got a picture pulledup just for the people who want
to. See.
Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
The light is. Gonna here here I can do it
over. Here, pull it up.

(01:06:09):
But this and some people. Send it to me.
OK, well, let me ramp first and then I'll send it to.
You OK? Hold on.
He's got a picture. There you go.
So some people, you know, like Graham Hancock and and Randall
Carlson and some of these researchers out here that are
looking into like, you know, Younger Dryas and and ancient

(01:06:31):
history stuff. They talk about the idea that
this being which has been shown in cultures all over the world,
right? This and they have different
names form everywhere, but thereseems to be this being who walks
around with what Graham Hancock calls the you know his man bag,

(01:06:54):
right? He's got this satchel in his
hand and he's wearing fish scales or a fish body as his as
his head as his helmet. There you go.
See that black and white relief on the in the middle at the
bottom? Yep.
Click on that. See if you can zoom in.
Right click it and go to open image and new tab.

(01:07:14):
You might have to reshare to show that tab.
But anyways, so the idea is thatthis being, you know, whether it
was before or after the cataclysms 12,000 years ago, was
the beings or group of beings that were going around sharing
the information. They were giving the information
to the Central American tribes and the South American tribes,

(01:07:37):
right? That's that's their idea of it.
But what what you're saying makes me think that these were
literal representations of the star people or whoever they were
that were bringing this stuff. And when they say, hey, look,
the fish, the fish scales, thesethese fish scales were giving us
the ability to cloak. Was it specifically the fish
scales that were making them cloak?
Or was that just like a hint or a reference to this Dagon, the

(01:08:00):
fish God who brought them the information and brought them the
tools that they needed to do what they needed to do?
Yeah, Jeff, you, Jeff, you're onit.
Listen, you guys know you'll getthis one called the serious
mystery was Earth visited by intelligent beings from a planet
in the system of the star of Sirius Robert Cagey Temple and

(01:08:24):
it's the Dogon people of westernAfrica and this this fish this
this I'll call it an entity here.
Let me read to you. He was the amphibious being
mentioned by the astronomer CarlSagan from the Sumerian

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traditions, and was the bringer of civilization to man.
In other words, beings of this type would be a bit like
mermaids or mermen, and might insome reason and might in some
way resemble our intelligent friends the dolphins.
I think that's a hell of a placeto start.

(01:09:11):
Yeah. And it is interesting, you know,
that it's found in all these different cultures and it's not
the exact same depiction of thisbeing, but.
Very. Similar and it's in all of them
have that little man bag, that little satchel, whatever that is
and is that the information or is that the tools?
Is that whatever it is? When you were saying that about,

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you know, them getting this thishelp, that's where my mind went.
Was this right here? I mean, I mean, look, guys, you,
we, we can't make this up. You see how the three of us are
just having a conversation and by the three of us just throwing
out stuff and just talking like friends and, and, and Jeff, you

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took it right to it, man. I mean, see, that's what we
should be doing is having these conversations with no bias, no
preconceived notions and, and, and also not afraid to just
throw it all out there. Maybe we get it wrong, but damn,
you see where that just went? Yeah, that's pretty good.

(01:10:12):
That's a. Rabbit hole, baby.
Yeah. But again, we're not the first
to bring it up. I mean, what's what, what's the,
what's the chances of that, right?
Right. Well, here's the thing that's
interesting to me, Lance, is I've been into this my whole
life, man, right? And I have never, I mean, I
listen, I've gotten a little bitinto like Native American

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stories and, and stuff like that, right?
Like I'm familiar with the Hopi story, right?
I'm familiar with some of these ideas, you know, some of the
locations, the mound builders, like I, I get and I, I got an
idea of it. But I even with all of that, in
the years and years that I've looked into this stuff and I
can, I can tell you Dogon the fish got off the top of my
right. I had no idea that all of these,

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these, you know, real Americans,right, The originals that were
here, like, they also have all these stories.
I had no clue. And it's mind blowing to me.
Yeah. It, it, it was a small world
back then, my friend. And we, we lumped these people
as very static. It's not the case.

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They were moving all over the place.
And so you have to ask yourself,what did they know that we don't
know? How did they transverse the
oceans by just using the stars or maybe even other forms of
navigation that we don't know? Or were they possibly able to do

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this by means that we can't wrapour minds about?
And I firmly believe there's something to that, that they had
these abilities to remote view. Like I told you last week, it's
been made explicitly clear to methat no war party ever went out

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with one of these medicine men who could basically remote view.
So basically, they had the ability to be a drone.
OK, let that sink in. Possibly they had the ability to
telepathically communicate, to talk to each other.

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Then maybe they had the ability to change their bodily form into
the form of an animal that can move much different.
Did they have the ability to seethrough maybe a Raven or a hawk
or an eagle's eyes? Possibly.
That's depicted in a lot of film.

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Right, I'll tell you, I just recently came across this wild
theory man, and this this is this is playing right into it.
And it kind of mixes a little bit about what you're talking
about into something that we hadstarted talking about early last
week. And that was the UFO disclosure
stuff. And I can't remember the source.

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It's going to bother the shit out of me.
But anyways, anyways, going to talk about it any anyways, I was
reading that they're they're because of all the CE5 stuff
that's coming out. You have you heard about the CE5
stuff, the the close encounters of the fifth kind stuff where
you you call out with your mind,you're able to contact UFOs and

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everything. Well, there there's this new
theory that's starting to pop upthat UFOs aren't necessarily
physical at all. That they're they're, they're
more or less along the lines of geez, what?
What the heck are those things called?

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Oh. It's going to bother me shoot
drawing a blank here, but they they come into reality when
needed or when when thought of and basically comes in there.
They're mental drones, if you will, that come into the

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physical space When, when, when,when your mind calls upon them
and they, they, they, they, theybecome a physical property when
the mental mind uses them for things such as remote viewing
purposes. So if you, if you take things,

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and I'm not necessarily saying Ibelieve this at all.
I just think it's an interestingconcept and, and I think it's,
it'd be fun to talk about. You look at the things as such
as the, yeah, skeeter's right. The tulpa.
That's exactly what I was thinking about was the tulpa
concept where. But if you start thinking about

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the way that they move, right, it's very unnatural.
It's, it's, it doesn't abide by our physics, right?
You know, we, we, we go into allthese concepts of, well, in
order for that to work, like Elizondo had talked about and
he, he went into how, how he went to how put Hoff and how put

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Hoff said that the only way for this to work is that you have to
manipulate gravity, right? You have to manipulate gravity
in in a, in a spherical field around this craft to remove all
particulates, even molecules of air around the craft to
literally create a bubble vacuumaround it to to remove any sort

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of G force on the occupants and the material to craft itself so
that they can move in such ways.And that would literally allow
it to go from from one domain such as space into another
domain such as air into another domain such as the water without
ever breaking stride. And you know, we see, we see
evidence of these crafts going from the air into the water

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without making a splash, withoutslowing down, without being
affected at all or affecting itssurroundings.
Now, if these things weren't technically physical and they
were only created as a a physical thing to our point of
view, if you will, and they werebeing used by some remote viewer

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as a sort of let's let's tie, let's tie simulation theory in
into it just for the hell of it,right?
If they were some sort of remotecamera for the sense of out of
body experiences, such as remoteviewing, not out of body

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experiences such as like you dieand your, your soul leaves your
body, but as in, you know, your consciousness leaving your body
and you having control over where you go and what you see.
That's just a, a concept that I came across the other day and I
just thought that it was, it wasweird how that kind of connected

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to what you were, you were just talking about.
It's, it's just like one of those weird synchronicity things
that, you know, I, I don't even know if you can necessarily call
it a synchronicity. It was just weird coincidence.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, super interesting stuff.
I'm actually excited to read this book man, not going to lie.

(01:17:39):
I just read read the little likenotations on the back and I'm
like extra hyped to read this. That almost put Jeff to sleep.
I don't read books very often, you know, I'm more of a, you
know, I like to consume my information visually, but I'll
read this one. Well, that that one will get

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your attention and that man, he's putting it out there and if
anybody has the so-called right to do it, his family has the
lineage to do it. And that that might be a whole

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nother show to possibly help youguys meet him and have him on
eventually sometime down the youknow, because there's no sense
of me sitting on here and regurgitating what's in that
book because it's it's not. I'm a complete novice for me to

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even try to articulate what he is trying to tell us about the
abilities and what to say the other side and a hole in the
powers that these people had andthe world they walked in and how

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it was interchangeable. And that wasn't that long ago.
OK. Yeah.
And yeah, I mean, I mean, look the up until right before the
Korean War, which is 53 to 5050 to 53 on one of the reservations

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every year about coming up to commemorate the Battle of the
Little Bighorn. These these people who were
there and enforce who were part of the group that defeated the
7th Calvary. And they had one atrocity heaped
upon them after another, alcoholism, unemployment,

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terrible schools. I can I can go down and down the
route. But they still got together in a
very remote part of this reservation to commemorate this
battle. OK.
And the reason I'm bringing thisup is because in the same area

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where these people were getting together right up until the
Korean War, I was told that these people who you know, you
might call star people. I don't want to throw out UFO,

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UAP, all that terminology because then, you know, people
take it to a whole nother genera.
I'm not saying these people are coming from the stars.
I I think they are, but they could have always been here.
They may just be coming from another dimension or they may be
coming from underground for all I know, like Jeremy was talking
about. But alls I can tell you is where

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I pick up the story is this stops during the Korean War.
So let's just say from 1890 to 1950, a period, a period of 60
years, they're commemorating their greatest victory, but it
was also their people's defeat in the long run.

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They are having encounters with people from just another world,
right? OK, fine, whatever that that
where this where this becomes sofascinating.
And what I can share without getting into the details, I
won't, is that three different tribes have told me the same

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story about what was going on there.
And they describe these, we'll call them star people.
These star people, they describeall, all of them the same way,
how they moved, what they lookedlike, what they wore.

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And what I found so damn interesting was is that they,
they don't talk about these people coming in any crafts.
They said they kind of moved andwent across the the landscape
kind of like they, they collidedor floated, but they talked
about these sparks coming out ofthe back of their heels.

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Now, were they, were they on some kind of a device?
Hell, I don't know. But you got three different
groups of people telling me the same story because that group of
people were all together at the Little Big Horn.
They had were all intermarried. They had been fighting together
for thousands of years and they were together because all were

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one at one time. And so are these people that are
coming to see them. Were they the good star people
that had helped them for hundreds of thousands of years?
Were they now friends? Have they been foes before?
I don't know. I don't know if we'll ever find
out. But I can tell you that there's
a lot of native people, unfortunately, that don't even

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know that history, OK. And it's so wild because these
people, I probably would not have shared a lot of this
information had it not been for the little Bighorn being the
catalyst for me to be on this trail.
And, you know, I was getting referral after referral to these

(01:23:32):
people, trying to track this back.
And the man who told me this history, he himself was a Korean
War veteran, became an educator,taught for years, very humble,
did 2 combat jumps into Korea. Think about that.

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OK, some serious guts. And we're, we're talking, we're
talking, we're talking about history here, guys of
interacting. And yet we've got all of these
guys running around on contemporary social media,
whether it be YouTube or we got,of course, the famous X, right?

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Well, to me, that story in itself is a hell of a lot better
than these guys throwing out a photo of a UFO.
And I'm not attacking Lou Elizondo, OK?
I mean, we all make mistakes. Shit, I guess what I'm trying to
articulate is this. This stuff makes that look like
baby crap. And it is.

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This isn't about me. Go talk to those people for
God's sakes. But there's a right way to do
it. And, and you got to go into it
on their terms and as, and as, and you know, I've been trying
to articulate to this to you guys and to your listeners, if,
if I can do it in the right way and respectful way.

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And there is a right way and a respectful way to learn this,
have things taught to you that you can share back to the world.
And I'm not getting into the specifics.
You guys realize this, You know,I'm not telling you where
exactly this happened. I'm not dropping names.
I'm just giving you a very broadstroke of this ancient history

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that goes back to the people that fought at the Little
Bighorn, who their descendants are.
And they're still talking about this epic event and up until
1950. And oh, by the way, guess who
comes to see us? Well, I don't know who people

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from the stars. I mean, you know, you just got
to sit there and just like try to get your bearings and shake
your head, get past your ontological shock, you know, and
like focus because it's just, itcan be, you know, it can be

(01:26:09):
rather, I guess, just again, ontologically shocking because
our mind can't go there, right? But once you keep an open mind
and go there and you hear these stories over and over and
they're not stories, they're history, by the way, because
this man is still alive and it'sjust so prevalent.

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Well, yet it's to me, it's just another part of this whitewashed
cover up that again, I'm not attacking these guys that are
trying to do the right thing. I don't know who's good.
I don't know who's bad. Frankly, I don't give a shit.
I don't, I don't. I think Doctor Steven Greer has
done great work to start this. I don't know the man, so I can't
sit here. Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp,

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Lou Elizondo, Chris Mellon, all these guys.
David Grush, Jake Barber. But what do you not hear them
do? They're not talking to Native
people, you know. I'll get off my soapbox on that.
No, I mean it, you know, look, man, they they did a hell of a

(01:27:24):
job at, at a racing history, right?
I've said this for years and, and this whole thing that you're
bringing to us is like just a whole like other chapter for
that, you know, so, and like I said, I've been into this for so
long and you know, I feel like I've got a good grasp on it, but
not on this part of it. So now I got like something that
I'm going to start, I'm going tobe digging it.

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I've already got like 8 pages pulled up in my browser on my
phone. I'm like, yo, let me see, I'm
sorry. I'm gonna have a freaking
conspiracy board with the red fucking yarn.
And you know, I'm about to go deep on this now.
It's it's so it's crazy because every everyday it's like I, I
find new things that I have to research.

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And it's the last two weeks, Lance, it's been like, man,
there's a whole section of history that I've I've I I've
known about, right? I've touched base with I've,
I've visited right, And in the, in the aspect of, you know, I,

(01:28:30):
I've research Skinwalker Ranch, I've researched the, the legend,
the Wendigo and other various aspects, right.
But I haven't dove into the realstuff, the real history, the
real stuff that they're coveringup in the aspects of the Native
Americans. Yeah, I think once you get into

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like mound building cultures too, man, like that's a big
that's a big thing. And and Lance, you know, you
said you will never know about the first peopling, right?
But you know, I can I I'd speculate that it's probably the
mound builders like you said, you know, and when you get into
that and you get into those stories from that giant of
America book and you see some ofthe stuff that they were digging
out of those mounds, not just the giant skeletons, but some of

(01:29:15):
the artifacts and some of the the what's the word?
Like? I don't want to say like
treasures, but you know, the treasures and the things that
were buried in those mounds withthe giants too, and, and not and
the placement too, because and alot of those mounds they were
digging up, they were finding like the giant skeleton in the
center of these mounds. And all of the native peoples

(01:29:37):
that were buried, you know, after them were buried with
their, I believe their heads allfacing inwards towards, you
know, this, this giant. So like they were revered as
something royalty or gods or youknow, the original, I don't
know, whatever it was, they theywere definitely like high up on

(01:29:57):
the food chain, those giant peoples.
And then you get into like all this stuff when I talk about
this, when I talk about dinosaurs are fake, right?
How I think that when they dig up a dinosaur bone, what they're
really doing is digging up giantbones and they can't tell us
that's they got to make up some bullshit about dinosaurs, right?
There's, there's definitely likesomething, call it spooky that

(01:30:23):
they didn't want us to know about, you know, like 100% not
even a shadow of a doubt in my mind about that.
Now I want to know what it is you know.
Now I want to go figure it out and like learn as much as I can.
Well, somebody needs to once andfor all dig into this whole
Grand Canyon thing, you know, follow the trail with that

(01:30:45):
Kincaid that went in there. You know, native people, if you
get to know enough of them, willtell you that it's not a mystery
to them who are down there. They, they talk about the I
think if it was the Phoenicians and Egyptians, the Egyptians
wanted back their contact of theSmithsonian, the story was, and

(01:31:10):
wanted back their material that the Smithsonian think pulled out
of there in the early 1900s. Or they said destroy it.
I mean, that that thing's been so covered up you can't even get
down there anymore. Now, you know, I mean, listen, I
want to do a quick plug out for a guy named Terry L Carter.
I may have said this last week. Terry L Carter, go on Facebook.

(01:31:35):
That man has been doing yeoman'swork, putting out videos, and I
think they're on YouTube. You.
Did. Interviewing people guys who and
ladies who who have tremendous amounts of courage and where it
all and determination not only to be researchers, but to
physically go out into the middle of remote, remote areas

(01:31:59):
of our great West hunting these treasures in Colorado, Arizona,
New Mexico, Utah. He's got some stories on there
about a, there's an older couplewho did some really digging into
the Grand Canyon and they, they basically got harassed.
But I don't want to give away too much on there.

(01:32:20):
But Terry, Terry may be a good guest for you guys to have on
That would be 1 hell of a show. Now that I think about it.
Remind me, Jeremy, when we're done.
We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll talk about it.
But he's a very good guy. He's having a, he's having some,
he has a yearly conference and Ithink it's coming up in August.

(01:32:42):
I think it's out in Utah, Perry L Carter, and I can't remember
what's going on there. That would be a fun one to go
to, but that's a hell of a placeto start.
The Grand Canyon, You know, we've got to get people to get
going and to get on this trail. There's plenty of room for all
of us. There's plenty of ways for all

(01:33:04):
of us to share our research. And you know that the native
people are ready to have their seats at the table, so to speak
and visit on equal footing because they believe we're in
for some very precarious times. And their prophecies talk about

(01:33:27):
this stuff, right? So it's, it's, it's time we
start listening to them to pay attention not only about the
past, but we need to start really focusing on the future
because these stories all go back to a time when there was a

(01:33:48):
civil war on this continent. And they talk about the eagle
and the Condor. Well, the eagle would be people
of North America versus those from Mesoamerica and South
America. And there was a, a truce called
and we have a pretty damn good idea of where this is in the

(01:34:11):
United States where this took place.
You know, I'm not in any way, shape or form any liberty to, to
share that with the folks right now.
But hopefully we are, we will. And we can work on getting that
information out to the public ina big, big drop with all of
these elders together and through your guys's platform and
other platforms to share it all at one time.

(01:34:32):
OK. But the reason I'm bringing that
up is they said that if we are to be all come back, to be in
the medicinal people that we allwere at one time, all races
with, with the native people somehow leading us spiritually
for all of us to be medicinal people, for all of us to be

(01:34:55):
medicinal people again, There has to be a reunification of the
eagle in the Condor. And that can only take place
when we as human beings get on this path of enlightenment.
Now, whatever that path of enlightenment is, I'm not sure.
But I can tell you to finish this up that I would like to

(01:35:18):
think that US 3 here are having a conversation that shows that
we're enlightened a little bit. And I don't mean we're better
than anybody. We're not smarter than anybody.
But what I do mean is that we'reat least having these
conversation with no biases and that we're all listening to each
other with very open minds to learn for our own journeys or to

(01:35:39):
help other people on their journey.
And to me, that's an enlightenedhuman being, right?
You're trying to help another man or mankind or woman or or
youngster. So yeah, I, I this is an
enlightened moment in our lives right here.
So why can't we carry that over and just keep doing it?
Why do we have to have a government?

(01:36:03):
And I love, I love the United States of America, but why I
don't, I don't need them. I don't need the church.
I don't need anybody telling me about where to go on my journey
or what to believe in. Because I've been to places and
I've seen things that are not easily explained.

(01:36:25):
And I'm just a simple novice on there.
You know what I mean? I'm just a seeker and a
searcher, so whatever else is out there for the for people to
learn and to grow from, it's outthere, but we have to go start
finding it. All right, well, I think that's
a a good place to leave. Off we went for about an hour

(01:36:49):
and 45 minutes tonight. I just got off a 14 hour shift.
I'm deadbeat, but it looks like our our buddy Jeff there is is
the Viking dead? But Lance, man, thank you once

(01:37:09):
again. That was a fantastic another
back-to-back killer episode. Man, that's.
For the kind words, but I don't you know, I'm just telling you
guys about the simple journey that I went on and you know,
this stuff is out there. You, you guys I can't I'm, I

(01:37:30):
can't wait to hear back from youon reading some of these books
and digging in. Jeff, thanks for bringing out
the, the, the Dogon people and that maybe that was great.
You jumped right to it and that's what we got to do.
And you know, listen, I'm going to do my damnedest this summer
to hook you guys up with this, some good people that hopefully
we can get on your show that canvisit and take this to a much

(01:37:53):
different level than I can do it.
Because I'm just, I'm just an emissary, man.
I'm just, I'm just trying to help these these, these
histories get out so people willget enlightened on their own.
And don't, don't listen to me, take your own journey.
Well, give yourself a little more credit, Lance, because you

(01:38:14):
know, like I said, I like to think of myself as a pretty
seasoned conspiracy theorist, right?
And and and you've done a hell of a job at like getting me
super interested in like a wholeother path that I hadn't even
been aware of, right? So give yourself a little more
credit. But yeah, that definitely
appreciate you coming back on again, man.

(01:38:35):
No, it's been, it's been fun. I appreciate you guys letting me
go on and on and let's let's do this, man.
Let's get these people on to youguys a show and let's let you
guys visit with them and get it out there to the people and let
everybody else make up their ownmind and have a journey too.
Sound good? Yeah, man.
And you know, later, later on inthe year, we'll we'll touch base
with you again, we'll have you back on and we'll we'll just

(01:38:58):
continue the conversation. You know I mean there there's
plenty of stuff. I got a whole post it note here
worth of stuff that I didn't even get to talk about yet.
So it's, it's, it's been a greatjourney, Lance, thank you so
much. Really do appreciate it.
You've been a phenomenal, phenomenal guest.

(01:39:19):
I can't wait to grab your book. I'm looking forward to it.
I I love reading. It'll, it's, it's going to get
added to the pile. I might, I might go ahead and
throw it up a few tears and and move it up closer to the top
there, just because, you know, I'm so hot onto the topic right

(01:39:39):
now and it's so fresh to my mindthat I just, you know, need to
need to indulge, need to scratch.
And itch everybody. I need it.
Yeah. But before we go ahead and sign
off, go ahead and let everybody know one more time where they
can find all your your content. Where can they?

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Where can they see everything? Lance.
Sure. Well, I have a website, but I
don't I don't post a lot. Just I'm too darn busy doing
constant research. And of course, I work full time
and my wife and I, we, we try todo our part and we've got a

(01:40:21):
small animal shelter here and wedo our part to try to say, I
hate to say the word rescue because these animals really
make us better human beings. So I'll just say that we try to
give some, some, some, some strays a fighting chance.
But our book, Myself and DonovanTaylor, is called The History

(01:40:43):
They Tell. It's available on Amazon for
2499 under Lance J Doral. It's 20 chapters.
And this information has been kept relatively quiet by the
tribes that talk about who was really at the Little Bighorn.
And I made it very simple for readers who aren't into this

(01:41:04):
subject to not only have, I hope, have a very general idea
of what happened there that day,but I went a deep, deep dive
into studying this since 1976 tobring together all the
information out in the written record that talks about if it,
what this current oral history with that was shared to us, how

(01:41:25):
it coincides. And what we found was this
information. It was said on several different
ways and levels, but historians,ethnographers, people in the
movie industry, I can go on and on.
Historians have chosen to ignoreit.
So we just try to put it together.
And then we did a historical dive on the back to see how it

(01:41:45):
compares so that that's out there.
And Donovan and I are still always on the research trail.
We're working on dealing, working with a lot of Native
people right now. We're very blessed for those
folks to bring out some more information about when all were
one at one time. So that's that's really it for

(01:42:06):
me what I do. So thank you sounds.
Good man. All right, well, next week we do
have a different guest on the schedule.
I'm not going to go ahead and put out her name as of yet, but
if you have ever seen the show Sons of Anarchy, you will know

(01:42:28):
her. But I guess you'll have to see
who the mystery guest is next week.
Jeff, you got anything to put out?
Anything. Shadow Band.
Nope, sorry for all the shadow band listeners.
Creamer has been moving so we took two weeks off.

(01:42:48):
We should be back to it this week.
No promises, you know, and. If you ever need a sit in host
man just let me know. No it's alright man with this
neck thing bro. I've just been enjoying those
extra nights of just chilling, to be honest with you so.
I see. I get it.
This was fun. Yeah, no.
It's just you. Actually, I just didn't.
I just didn't want you. I know.

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I know. I get it.
Yeah. All right.
Well, Lance, once again, man, thank you so much.
Really do appreciate it. And mind blowing, man,
absolutely mind blowing. I love it.
I love it when a guest comes on and just sends me down a rabbit
hole that sends me down other rabbit holes, which sends me

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down other rabbit holes, which just takes a week of my life and
just throws it into other rabbitholes, which is what I've been
doing all week so. Thanks.
You like holes? I like rabbit holes, but it's
fine. Well, anyways, until next time,
travelers, we'll see you right here in the next fork in the

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bath of the incentive rabbit hole.
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