June 16, 2025 • 28 mins
Today, we welcome an accomplished actress, screenwriter, and director known for her roles in films like While You Were Sleeping, Universal Soldier, and Happy Texas, as well as her lead role as Dr. Samantha Waters in the NBC crime drama Profiler, which earned her a Saturn Award nomination for Best Actress. Many of you, like me, may know her best as the villainous Agent June Stahl in the FX crime drama Sons of Anarchy. Today, we're thrilled to discuss Ally's latest venture: her debut as an author with The Light Runner, a thrilling novel filled with twists, turns, and journeys into parallel worlds—perfect for our show. Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole!
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Today, we welcome an accomplished actress,
screenwriter, and director knownfor her roles in films like
While You Were Sleeping, Universal Soldier, and Happy
Texas, as well as her lead role as Doctor Samantha Waters in the
NBC crime drama Profiler, which earned her a Saturn Award
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nomination for Best Actress. Many of you, like me, may know
her best as the villainous agentJune Stahl in the FX crime drama
Sons of Anarchy, a role so iconic I named one of my sons
after a character from the series.
Today, we're thrilled to discussAlly's latest venture, her debut
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as an author with The Light Runner, a thrilling novel filled
with twists, turns, and journeysinto parallel worlds, perfect
for our show. Please join me in welcoming Ally
Walker to Infinite Rabbit Hole. Welcome, Ally.
Yeah, Thank you. Thank you for having me.
It's nice to be here. How are you today?
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I'm doing OK. I flew back from New York
yesterday where I did a couple things for the book and I'm
excited. You know, it's, it's cool to, to
start this whole journey. It's pretty, pretty different
than what I'm used to. So it's exciting.
Yeah, I saw you were on Good Morning America.
Yeah, yeah, I went on Good Morning America.
They were super nice. It was really nice to be there
and talk about the book and you know how I'm changing things up
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and just, you know, continuing to create and have fun.
I. Was like, wow, she's going to
she's going to come from Good Morning America to Infinite
Rabbit. Like come.
On. Come on.
What is this? It's a corporate takeover.
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We've we've introduced ourselvesmultiple times.
Jeff, you good with skipping us?Yeah, everybody knows me all.
Right, Ally, we're going to jumpright in because we don't have
you all night, so we're just going to jump right into it.
Light runner, you're an author now.
Congratulations. Two days, 2 days ago, right on
the 6th. Yeah, yeah.
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Thank you. Yeah.
That's that's exciting. So where you know what, let's
start off with with a can you give us a brief synopsis?
What is your book about? So the book is, well, it's about
a lot of things actually, but itbasically is metaphysical
thriller and it centers around the character of Doctor Ella
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Kramer, who's a young psychiatrist working at a
psychiatric hospital. And she's treating a pretty high
profile patient, Captain Oliver Haskell, whose wife's just been
murdered. And he's checked himself into
Bainbridge Psychiatric Hospital because he's distraught and
Ella's supposed to treat him. And, and as she kind of sort of
untangles, you know, what he's been through and what's going
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on, her whole reality, her reality starts to sort of
unravel. And it's, it's very twisted,
very, you know, kind of crazy. But she starts to trust, learn
to trust her gut and define reality in the way that she
knows what it is. And she finds out the truth
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about the murder. And it's just, you know, it's,
it's you go down a rabbit hole because it's a really
interesting, I think it's interesting the, the characters
in the psychiatric ward begin totell her the truth about how
reality really works. You know how, how energy really
works. And she starts to listen to them
because they're warning her. And, you know, she feels like
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she's going mad, but she ultimately prevails and figures
things out. So.
That's pretty awesome. So this is going to be a series.
I have three books in that series.
Yeah, Yeah, That's awesome. Yeah.
It's called the reality series because, I mean, I was always
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really interested in the question of reality.
Like, why do you know things youdon't know how you know?
You know, why, why do you get why are some people psychic?
Why can astrology? You know, it's just things that
I've always been around in my life and just kind of wondering
if you really listen to your gut.
You know, as an actor, you always, I always trusted my gut
because I wasn't educated as an actress.
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I was educated as a scientist and I had to really, and there
were things in science that didn't make sense to me and I
always wondered and I kind of kept them in the back of my mind
and kind of used them in this book.
And but as an actress, I really,I, I trained, I trained a lot,
but I was working and I, I just trusted my gut.
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I really learned to trust my gut.
And so it's sort of always this constant battle between your
senses and, and sort of your mind in this world.
And I just said, well, you know,why is why is all that we see?
You know, it's the unseen that was kind of interesting to me.
That's interesting. What type of like science were
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you? Well, I degree, I got my degree
in biology, but it was actually biochemistry.
I worked at a genetic engineering company and I, I
sequenced DNA. I was a grunt, you know, because
I was just a BAI, had my bachelor's and I was working for
the PhDs. But it's cool because when I was
there, this is like a million years ago, you guys, but we
worked on the enzyme TPA, which they used in hospitals to break
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up blood clots in heart attack patients.
So I sequenced a lot of that. Shame.
I mean, they told me what to do,but I did the grunt work.
So it was pretty fun, pretty interesting.
That is pretty interesting. Honestly, I could probably talk
to you for hours about that kindof stuff.
You know, I'm the conspiracy guy, right?
So when when I hear the words like gene editing and stuff,
like I'm like, bro, OK, here we go, you know, let's go.
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But. Telomeres guys.
Just watch Tell. Me.
That's what I'm. Saying looks like Skeeter.
Skeeter from the chat is buying the books now.
I just go. I just went ahead and posted
your link. Oh.
Cool and looks like. Skittle, your name is in my
book. I hope this is an offensive to
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you, but my horse's name as a kid was Skeeter.
You know, my my grandparents hadhorses and southern New Mexico.
I grew up in New Mexico, and that is still funny.
Skeeter, I hope you enjoy the book.
I was like, whoa, enjoy the book.
He was a big old babe, a great horse.
Yeah. That's awesome.
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Good stuff. So that's cool DNA sequencing
there. We've we've talked about
sequencing quite a, quite a bit here on the show.
We had talked about, I don't know if you're, if you're into
Bigfoot at all, but Doctor Melvin Ketchum, she was leading
this whole, this whole push about sequencing Bigfoot DNA
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and, and trying trying to, to prove the existence of, of a, an
upright walking primate in the, the woods of North America
through sequencing of unknown DNA through hair and scat
samples found throughout the, the, the, the through North
America. Yeah, because we do have a
collection of scat and hair thatwe don't, we can't align with
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anything. We we can somewhat correlate it
to primate, but we can't what wewe can't match it to anything.
Oh wow that's so weird, I've never even heard of that.
That's great. Yeah, her, her name's Doctor
Melba Ketchum. She's kind of controversial in
in some circles, but it is it issome very interesting stuff.
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But yeah. So I could also talk to you for
hours about just sequencing as well.
I don't. Know if I could?
Talk to you guys. Have you ever, have you ever
looked into like the CRISPR cast9 stuff and everything?
No. OK.
Well, then we'll just stick to parallel worlds then, OK?
Yeah. And that's something I'm, I'm
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kind of interested in. Like, so like I know your novels
kind of about, you know, realities and like these types
of things, especially when, you know, when I hear you talk, I
obviously haven't read the book yet.
But you know, when you talk about these people, like the
schizophrenics and these people with multiple personality
disorders and like they're explaining to the character in
the book, you know, how reality is actually working.
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Like what, what got you thinkingthat way?
Like what are you interested in?That type of thing?
Yeah, no, I, I, So I have, one of my father's sisters was
bipolar and she'd gone through electric shock therapy and, you
know, back in the day and it, you know, it was not a pretty
thing. I, I don't think.
And at least I'm this, I'm getting this from, you know, my,
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my, my cousin and my mother had told me some things.
And then his brother was mentally retarded and had to be
institutionalized as he was older.
And I, I've always, I worked with some foster kids who were,
had some issues that were in, you know, group homes for
special needs kids. And I've often wondered because
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you know, so many people that I've I've met who are
neurodivergent or autistic or who they know things and you can
feel like their intelligence andthe love they have a lot of
love. I know that sounds really weird.
They're very loving. So they can be very loving souls
and these people. So these ideas that they have
and these things that they say, you know, one of the characters
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in the book, I think Malachi puts it best.
And he says just because they'rehearing things that you can't
access, just because they see things that you can't understand
doesn't make them any less real.And I kind of always, you know,
sort of went with that. I mean, reality is what you make
of it, isn't it? So I kind of.
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There's so many fascinating things, especially when it comes
to like the human mind. I don't know, have you ever
looked into testing on all the? Things that I wouldn't think
about. No.
No. Have you ever looked into like
the the split brain stuff? Doctor Michael Gazzaniga looked
into it back I believe in the 80s about how the the right
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hemisphere seems to have had hasits own separate consciousness
and patients of epilepsy were getting their corpus callosum
that little bridge of. Yeah, I know what the corpus
callosum is. I there.
It's very interesting because the left anterior insulin is
supposed to be the seat of consciousness.
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And I use that in the book as well, you know, because they
found, I mean, yeah, one of one of the one of the tenants of the
book is that there's a there's an energy that's swept through
the universe basically. And it's, it takes out life.
It's not death because death is actually part of life.
It's entire life. And it's a shadow verse
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descending in the time of Aquarius as everything becomes
1. And I found it really
interesting. I don't know about you guys, but
I'm in, I'm in a business with alot of, you know, some would say
very narcissistic people and some very cool, you know, and
you look at the top of the food chain in this country and other,
you know, in the world and you and you can see a lot of people
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who have no empathy or 0 empathy.
And it's it's corruptible greed and they, they consume.
And so I use the parts of the brain.
It's kind of interesting in the book that these people are
actually almost like aliens, youknow, walking around destroying
life itself. So it's interesting that you
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brought that up. Yeah, you have to read the book.
You have to. I'm excited.
I'm excited too. I mean, I touched base on a lot
of things, you know, in service to the story that I've created.
And that's one of the things because, you know, I mean,
psychopaths brains are usually pretty messed up.
I don't mean that in any disrespectful way, but they've
usually been abused so badly or they've had such bad drug
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addiction problems. They're very different.
The brain's where it's at if youwant to try to figure out, I
think, what's going on with. People I The brain is so
mysterious, it really. Is it's amazing.
Before we started recording, we were all just kind of chatting a
little bit and and if it, if it gives too much away from the
book, please feel free to not not dive into it.
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But we started talking a little bit about quantum and do you do
you mind expanding into how yourbook ties into quantum physics
or quantum mechanics at all? I don't want to get too much
into it. There's a mad physicist who
quote UN quote mad, right physicist in the hospital who,
who starts to explain time and starts to explain what's really
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going on. And I, I, I will tell you from
my own experience that I've had,like, have you ever had a gut
feeling or a premonition? And at different points, I've
felt like it's me telling me things.
You know, one of my very good friends is a psychic in New
York. My other one of my best friends
is an astrologer. And the things they say really
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resonate and they happen. And I was, that was so weird.
Or I would think about somebody and they'd call me 5 seconds
later, or I would, you know, have an image of someone when
someone just said their name andI'd have an image of that
person. And there's little things that
people have all the time or how,you know, somebody's not on the
up and up or how, you know, somebody's going to try to get,
you know, or they're great, you know.
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And so I kind of incorporated that.
I'm sorry I'm kind of diverging out, but I've.
Always. I've always thought that that
there are several levels that human beings could be playing on
it. At least this is my writer
brain. And that, you know, perhaps that
gut feeling is you further down the road looking back and
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telling you where you are now. Yeah, what's going on?
So when it gets into quanta, I'ma bit book is a bit
deterministic. I think at the end you have to
really read it because I don't want to give too much away
because I, I feel like I I'll start rant, you know, I'll start
going somewhere I shouldn't. And I, I did a spoiler in a
panel. I did and I was like, oh, wait a
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minute, you know, so, but it's interesting.
I'm in quantum mechanics. My dad was a nuclear physicist
and I, I never studied physics beyond, you know, a college
level. But it's pretty interesting, you
know, that it's everything that actually observing something
makes it real. And I found that kind of
fascinating. The observation effect is wild.
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I mean, it's just, it's, it's just insane, you know, in my
book, I, I, I deal basically with simple things like the
Heisenberg principle or something like that.
You know, it's very simple. But but yeah, it's they're
really, they're really finding some really cool stuff.
You know, it really is, it's just kind of amazing, actually.
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And black holes. I'm very interested in those,
you know, and, and how they, youknow, I never really understood
certain concepts and, and then you see them applied to these
these systems and it's kind of fascinating.
There's another one I was listening to about how, I mean,
how the, The Big Bang is actually the end of expansion of
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the universe and it's just suddenly stopped expanding and
now it's contract. It's just interesting, you know,
just anyway, I, I like, I'm sortof a dilettante.
I like all kinds of things, you know, I like to read all kinds
of things. And it was really fun to do
that. And yeah.
But you fit, you fit well into the infinite rabbit hole then,
because, yeah, well, it's. Funny, because a rabbit hole is
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a very prominent feature of my book too.
So yeah, I really hope you read it.
Yeah. Go ahead, Jeff.
Sorry man. I was just going to say this is
something I tend to ask people who are in your industry,
especially ones who have been inyour industry for a long time,
right. And you kind of alluded to it a
little bit ago, you know, you, what is your experience with
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some of these people? You don't have to say names or
anything, obviously. But as the conspiracy minded
person that I am, you know, I tend to think that a lot of the
people in like film and and all these things like there's
something else going on, right? Whether it's like a cult beliefs
or they're aliens, you know, whatever it is.
I mean, do you have anything that you've come across that
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you're like? You know, I get no, I, I know a
lot of really nice people in this industry.
I mean, you have to realize you're talking about artists who
are some of the strongest, most free thinking people you'll ever
meet, you know, So no, I don't, I don't prescribe to Illuminati.
I don't prescribe to any of that.
I think people and it look, I'm not saying it can't, you know,
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whatever. I don't know everything, but I
was a working class actress, youknow, and I mean, I know a lot
of people, but no, I did my job.You know, it was more like, I
bet nothing but great people. But you know, there's some
gnarly people too. Sure.
And you know, I tend, I tend to listen to my gut and not get
involved gnarly people. And so I was very lucky.
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And but most of the people I know in the business are good
people, really good people, hardworking people.
You know who you know, when you're especially for women, you
know, you're an actress, you make it, you know, you're, you
know, every audition I went on, there were a hundred, a minimum
of 100 other people down on thataudition, right.
So you, you're slugging it out. And I think sometimes when I get
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get hear too much of the cult stuff or anything like that, it
discredits the hard work people.Do you know what I'm saying?
It's it, it, it kind of takes away from, you know, sleeping on
floors, sleeping on couches, waiting tables.
That's what we did what we did, you know, and like, and, and
working hard. So I don't, I don't, I don't go
hey. Fair enough.
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I figured I'd ask, you know, hadthe opportunity to ask, ask a
lot of. People have a lot of look,
people have a lot of interest inthings like that and they see a
lot more than I probably do. You know, I'm, I'm pretty
insulated in my world, but I know for myself and for the
people that I've worked with andI've had pretty good
experiences. I've had bad experiences with
some people. Absolutely.
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But, and, you know, I mean, I think you can boil it all down
to greed, you know, I think it'swhat we're seeing in the world.
I mean, everything can be boileddown to the seven deathly sins,
you know? And it's like, basically it's
greed, you know, when, when people get greedy, things get
bad, you know? For sure.
But I'm really lucky, so I'm very grateful.
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Yeah, well, it's, it's good. It's good that you know.
Yeah, we. Get a positive take on that
it's. Yeah, I just, I, you know, I've
never, I'm not saying it doesn'texist, I just haven't seen it.
So, you know, I, I only speak from my experience and that's
all I can speak from. So where did the interest in the
whole parallel world's concept come from?
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Is there is there a point of origin where you're like, you
know, this is this is very interesting, did well.
You know, there were just, I think a lot of little things
along the way. I think, I, I think knowing
things that I didn't know how I knew, I think was a big one.
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And I, you know, I kind of had this, this weird.
I have had some weird dreams andthey've, you know, kind of come
true. And I've had situations where I
really did feel like I was looking down at myself and
making sure, you know, like it was like I knew this like Deja,
a lot of Deja Vu, right? And I, you know, and I thought
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I. Who's to say that, you know,
I'm, I'm not so arrogant as to say that this is all there is,
you know, and, and not at least prescribe to the notion that
there's several ways, you know, I mean, you'll read the book,
you'll see what I'm saying, but there's several ways to getting
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to the end result. I mean, I, I do believe that
things are sort of deterministicoverall, but I do believe
there's several ways and severaloutcomes and not outcomes, but
several paths to get there. And, and that's kind of what I'm
putting forward, you know, and I, I, you know, I just had, I
think sometimes if you're quiet,you can get information or you
can, you can understand things in a different way.
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And, and I, I mean, you know, now there's no matter now, you
know, I mean, it's like really interesting, right?
Everything's constantly changing.
So who's, you know, if you look at like 1 of the things I use is
the Heisenberg principle, uncertainty principle, you know,
like you, you can tell where a particle is or you can tell it's
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momentum, but you can't tell both at the same time, right?
Well, from that I went, well, that's because they're in
different dimensions, you know what I mean?
So it's like I'm I'm when you'relooking at its point, it was,
and now it's here, you know, butit's in front and you can't find
it. So I thought, well, we just
extrapolate that to us, you know, and I thought that was
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interesting. So I don't know, I just, I think
there's a lot we don't understand.
I think there's a lot we don't. I think if, if I were to just
take a peek under the curtain ofthe future, I think we're going
to find that that, you know, andthis is, this is kind of me
getting a little bit more woo than than typically would.
But I, I think that we're going to find that we're more quantum
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than than we typically believe that we that we are.
And I believe that our consciousness is more of a
quantum thing than than. Typical.
Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that.
I think, you know, to be, you know, I think we're all energy.
You know, that's how I look at everything.
Everything is energy. And I think when energy, you
know, we're just talking about what is observable.
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So sometimes energy, I think, wants to observe itself right
through us. You know what I mean?
We were, we had just done an episode.
We were talking about the law ofconservation of mass and the law
of conservation of energy and how neither can be created nor
destroyed, but they can only change forms.
Energy could turn into mass overlong periods of times and, and,
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and mass can change in the energy and that happens quickly.
So we were talking about the concept of death and where does
the conscious go consciousness go after death?
Well, if, if everything that we know of as of right now is
made-up as either energy or matter, your body is, is
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obviously a matter, what, what would your consciousness be?
You can't hold your consciousness right.
So you would think that your, your consciousness would fall
underneath the energy side of, of, of the things.
So does your energy fall away and then does that and does that
kind of explain the concept of near death experiences that
people report, you know, where they they can look down?
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And see, I think that's right. And I think I've, I have, you
know, a different a couple points in my life.
Felt like I was watching myself in life kind of like that.
And right. I was like, how do I know that?
How am I seeing, you know, when I you know, and it was crazy
actually. And and I think that's, I think
that's valid. I do.
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And I think, you know, it's the one of the greatest quotes.
Who the heck said this? You guys will probably know,
said you don't. What is it?
You don't have a soul. You are a soul.
You have a body. I think that kind of explains
it, you know? Yeah, I, I don't know who said
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it, but I, I understand it. I definitely.
You know what I mean? It's like, it's like, yeah,
yeah, this is matter, you know? So yeah.
Well, it's interesting. I, you know, I've always said
this. I mean, you're, you're an
artist. I'm an artist, I'm a musician.
And I think that being in that flow state, whether you're
writing music or you're writing,you know, you get in that flow
state. And to me, that's when most of
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that call it fringe information,whatever you want to say, that's
when it comes to me, Right. So yeah.
It's like creativity, you know? It's just your creativity.
You're just, you know, I always,I always kind of refer to it as
channeling when I write because I'm just like, I don't know
what, you know, I'm just kind ofgetting all the information out
of my whatever onto the page, you know?
And I, I, when they asked, well,how did you do that?
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Did you research what you? No, I just kind of did it, you
know, I just kind of got quiet and it kind of came forward, you
know, And I think a lot of writers and artists feel that
way, you know? Awesome.
Well, Ally, I know that we don'thave you all night, so why don't
you go ahead and let everybody know where they can find
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everything? Allie Walker?
Where can they follow you? Where can they come visit all of
your work? Website handles.
All that good stuff. OK, yeah, go to
alliewalkerofficial.com and you can go to Amazon and look up the
Light Runner. 3 words, The LightRunner by Allie Walker.
And I hope, I hope you guys likeit.
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Oh, it's. On one to no clue.
Oh, I pinned the Amazon link in the twitch chat for anybody
who's listening right now. I know that you've I've already
got confirmation that there's been a few purchases tonight.
So I think you're. Crazy.
What are these people saying? No, I don't.
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No shadow band, I don't. I really don't.
I'm cool with whatever I've beenaround a long time.
I'm really, it's not my first, you know, but you gotta just
gotta be Love is the number one energy.
Love, love is the frequency we we all need to be on.
That's the frequency everybody needs to get on. 100% no we we
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just we like to give each other crap in the in the chat.
So please, you know. This is honestly, this was a
very tame episode. This is very nice.
Sorry, no. No, Mom, what do you want from
me? Ali, this was an absolute
pleasure. I really do appreciate you
taking the time and visiting us.This was great.
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I can't wait. I got my my copy showing up
tomorrow in in the mail and I I'll write you a nice review and
oh, you're so. Sweet.
Thank you so much. OK this.
This episode will go live next Monday, not tomorrow, but the
Monday after that, and we'll post it on all our socials and
tag you once the recording is done.
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If you could just hang back for just a second so I can make sure
I have all the audio downloaded.OK.
Jeff, you have anything to put out before we go?
No, I appreciate you coming on, Allie.
It's like I said, it's it's an honor to meet you.
So this is pretty. Sick you guys to have me.
Thank you so much. Absolutely.
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Today, we welcome an accomplished actress,
screenwriter, and director knownfor her roles in films like
While You Were Sleeping, Universal Soldier, and Happy
Texas, as well as her lead role as Doctor Samantha Waters in the
NBC crime drama Profiler, which earned her a Saturn Award
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nomination for Best Actress. Many of you, like me, may know
her best as the villainous agentJune Stahl in the FX crime drama
Sons of Anarchy, a role so iconic I named one of my sons
after a character from the series.
Today, we're thrilled to discussAlly's latest venture, her debut
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as an author with The Light Runner, a thrilling novel filled
with twists, turns, and journeysinto parallel worlds, perfect
for our show. Please join me in welcoming Ally
Walker to Infinite Rabbit Hole. Welcome, Ally.
Yeah, Thank you. Thank you for having me.
It's nice to be here. How are you today?
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I'm doing OK. I flew back from New York
yesterday where I did a couple things for the book and I'm
excited. You know, it's, it's cool to, to
start this whole journey. It's pretty, pretty different
than what I'm used to. So it's exciting.
Yeah, I saw you were on Good Morning America.
Yeah, yeah, I went on Good Morning America.
They were super nice. It was really nice to be there
and talk about the book and you know how I'm changing things up
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and just, you know, continuing to create and have fun.
I. Was like, wow, she's going to
she's going to come from Good Morning America to Infinite
Rabbit. Like come.
On. Come on.
What is this? It's a corporate takeover.
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We've we've introduced ourselvesmultiple times.
Jeff, you good with skipping us?Yeah, everybody knows me all.
Right, Ally, we're going to jumpright in because we don't have
you all night, so we're just going to jump right into it.
Light runner, you're an author now.
Congratulations. Two days, 2 days ago, right on
the 6th. Yeah, yeah.
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Thank you. Yeah.
That's that's exciting. So where you know what, let's
start off with with a can you give us a brief synopsis?
What is your book about? So the book is, well, it's about
a lot of things actually, but itbasically is metaphysical
thriller and it centers around the character of Doctor Ella
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Kramer, who's a young psychiatrist working at a
psychiatric hospital. And she's treating a pretty high
profile patient, Captain Oliver Haskell, whose wife's just been
murdered. And he's checked himself into
Bainbridge Psychiatric Hospital because he's distraught and
Ella's supposed to treat him. And, and as she kind of sort of
untangles, you know, what he's been through and what's going
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on, her whole reality, her reality starts to sort of
unravel. And it's, it's very twisted,
very, you know, kind of crazy. But she starts to trust, learn
to trust her gut and define reality in the way that she
knows what it is. And she finds out the truth
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about the murder. And it's just, you know, it's,
it's you go down a rabbit hole because it's a really
interesting, I think it's interesting the, the characters
in the psychiatric ward begin totell her the truth about how
reality really works. You know how, how energy really
works. And she starts to listen to them
because they're warning her. And, you know, she feels like
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she's going mad, but she ultimately prevails and figures
things out. So.
That's pretty awesome. So this is going to be a series.
I have three books in that series.
Yeah, Yeah, That's awesome. Yeah.
It's called the reality series because, I mean, I was always
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really interested in the question of reality.
Like, why do you know things youdon't know how you know?
You know, why, why do you get why are some people psychic?
Why can astrology? You know, it's just things that
I've always been around in my life and just kind of wondering
if you really listen to your gut.
You know, as an actor, you always, I always trusted my gut
because I wasn't educated as an actress.
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I was educated as a scientist and I had to really, and there
were things in science that didn't make sense to me and I
always wondered and I kind of kept them in the back of my mind
and kind of used them in this book.
And but as an actress, I really,I, I trained, I trained a lot,
but I was working and I, I just trusted my gut.
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I really learned to trust my gut.
And so it's sort of always this constant battle between your
senses and, and sort of your mind in this world.
And I just said, well, you know,why is why is all that we see?
You know, it's the unseen that was kind of interesting to me.
That's interesting. What type of like science were
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you? Well, I degree, I got my degree
in biology, but it was actually biochemistry.
I worked at a genetic engineering company and I, I
sequenced DNA. I was a grunt, you know, because
I was just a BAI, had my bachelor's and I was working for
the PhDs. But it's cool because when I was
there, this is like a million years ago, you guys, but we
worked on the enzyme TPA, which they used in hospitals to break
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up blood clots in heart attack patients.
So I sequenced a lot of that. Shame.
I mean, they told me what to do,but I did the grunt work.
So it was pretty fun, pretty interesting.
That is pretty interesting. Honestly, I could probably talk
to you for hours about that kindof stuff.
You know, I'm the conspiracy guy, right?
So when when I hear the words like gene editing and stuff,
like I'm like, bro, OK, here we go, you know, let's go.
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But. Telomeres guys.
Just watch Tell. Me.
That's what I'm. Saying looks like Skeeter.
Skeeter from the chat is buying the books now.
I just go. I just went ahead and posted
your link. Oh.
Cool and looks like. Skittle, your name is in my
book. I hope this is an offensive to
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you, but my horse's name as a kid was Skeeter.
You know, my my grandparents hadhorses and southern New Mexico.
I grew up in New Mexico, and that is still funny.
Skeeter, I hope you enjoy the book.
I was like, whoa, enjoy the book.
He was a big old babe, a great horse.
Yeah. That's awesome.
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Good stuff. So that's cool DNA sequencing
there. We've we've talked about
sequencing quite a, quite a bit here on the show.
We had talked about, I don't know if you're, if you're into
Bigfoot at all, but Doctor Melvin Ketchum, she was leading
this whole, this whole push about sequencing Bigfoot DNA
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and, and trying trying to, to prove the existence of, of a, an
upright walking primate in the, the woods of North America
through sequencing of unknown DNA through hair and scat
samples found throughout the, the, the, the through North
America. Yeah, because we do have a
collection of scat and hair thatwe don't, we can't align with
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anything. We we can somewhat correlate it
to primate, but we can't what wewe can't match it to anything.
Oh wow that's so weird, I've never even heard of that.
That's great. Yeah, her, her name's Doctor
Melba Ketchum. She's kind of controversial in
in some circles, but it is it issome very interesting stuff.
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But yeah. So I could also talk to you for
hours about just sequencing as well.
I don't. Know if I could?
Talk to you guys. Have you ever, have you ever
looked into like the CRISPR cast9 stuff and everything?
No. OK.
Well, then we'll just stick to parallel worlds then, OK?
Yeah. And that's something I'm, I'm
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kind of interested in. Like, so like I know your novels
kind of about, you know, realities and like these types
of things, especially when, you know, when I hear you talk, I
obviously haven't read the book yet.
But you know, when you talk about these people, like the
schizophrenics and these people with multiple personality
disorders and like they're explaining to the character in
the book, you know, how reality is actually working.
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Like what, what got you thinkingthat way?
Like what are you interested in?That type of thing?
Yeah, no, I, I, So I have, one of my father's sisters was
bipolar and she'd gone through electric shock therapy and, you
know, back in the day and it, you know, it was not a pretty
thing. I, I don't think.
And at least I'm this, I'm getting this from, you know, my,
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my, my cousin and my mother had told me some things.
And then his brother was mentally retarded and had to be
institutionalized as he was older.
And I, I've always, I worked with some foster kids who were,
had some issues that were in, you know, group homes for
special needs kids. And I've often wondered because
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you know, so many people that I've I've met who are
neurodivergent or autistic or who they know things and you can
feel like their intelligence andthe love they have a lot of
love. I know that sounds really weird.
They're very loving. So they can be very loving souls
and these people. So these ideas that they have
and these things that they say, you know, one of the characters
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in the book, I think Malachi puts it best.
And he says just because they'rehearing things that you can't
access, just because they see things that you can't understand
doesn't make them any less real.And I kind of always, you know,
sort of went with that. I mean, reality is what you make
of it, isn't it? So I kind of.
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There's so many fascinating things, especially when it comes
to like the human mind. I don't know, have you ever
looked into testing on all the? Things that I wouldn't think
about. No.
No. Have you ever looked into like
the the split brain stuff? Doctor Michael Gazzaniga looked
into it back I believe in the 80s about how the the right
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hemisphere seems to have had hasits own separate consciousness
and patients of epilepsy were getting their corpus callosum
that little bridge of. Yeah, I know what the corpus
callosum is. I there.
It's very interesting because the left anterior insulin is
supposed to be the seat of consciousness.
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And I use that in the book as well, you know, because they
found, I mean, yeah, one of one of the one of the tenants of the
book is that there's a there's an energy that's swept through
the universe basically. And it's, it takes out life.
It's not death because death is actually part of life.
It's entire life. And it's a shadow verse
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descending in the time of Aquarius as everything becomes
1. And I found it really
interesting. I don't know about you guys, but
I'm in, I'm in a business with alot of, you know, some would say
very narcissistic people and some very cool, you know, and
you look at the top of the food chain in this country and other,
you know, in the world and you and you can see a lot of people
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who have no empathy or 0 empathy.
And it's it's corruptible greed and they, they consume.
And so I use the parts of the brain.
It's kind of interesting in the book that these people are
actually almost like aliens, youknow, walking around destroying
life itself. So it's interesting that you
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brought that up. Yeah, you have to read the book.
You have to. I'm excited.
I'm excited too. I mean, I touched base on a lot
of things, you know, in service to the story that I've created.
And that's one of the things because, you know, I mean,
psychopaths brains are usually pretty messed up.
I don't mean that in any disrespectful way, but they've
usually been abused so badly or they've had such bad drug
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addiction problems. They're very different.
The brain's where it's at if youwant to try to figure out, I
think, what's going on with. People I The brain is so
mysterious, it really. Is it's amazing.
Before we started recording, we were all just kind of chatting a
little bit and and if it, if it gives too much away from the
book, please feel free to not not dive into it.
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But we started talking a little bit about quantum and do you do
you mind expanding into how yourbook ties into quantum physics
or quantum mechanics at all? I don't want to get too much
into it. There's a mad physicist who
quote UN quote mad, right physicist in the hospital who,
who starts to explain time and starts to explain what's really
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going on. And I, I, I will tell you from
my own experience that I've had,like, have you ever had a gut
feeling or a premonition? And at different points, I've
felt like it's me telling me things.
You know, one of my very good friends is a psychic in New
York. My other one of my best friends
is an astrologer. And the things they say really
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resonate and they happen. And I was, that was so weird.
Or I would think about somebody and they'd call me 5 seconds
later, or I would, you know, have an image of someone when
someone just said their name andI'd have an image of that
person. And there's little things that
people have all the time or how,you know, somebody's not on the
up and up or how, you know, somebody's going to try to get,
you know, or they're great, you know.
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And so I kind of incorporated that.
I'm sorry I'm kind of diverging out, but I've.
Always. I've always thought that that
there are several levels that human beings could be playing on
it. At least this is my writer
brain. And that, you know, perhaps that
gut feeling is you further down the road looking back and
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telling you where you are now. Yeah, what's going on?
So when it gets into quanta, I'ma bit book is a bit
deterministic. I think at the end you have to
really read it because I don't want to give too much away
because I, I feel like I I'll start rant, you know, I'll start
going somewhere I shouldn't. And I, I did a spoiler in a
panel. I did and I was like, oh, wait a
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minute, you know, so, but it's interesting.
I'm in quantum mechanics. My dad was a nuclear physicist
and I, I never studied physics beyond, you know, a college
level. But it's pretty interesting, you
know, that it's everything that actually observing something
makes it real. And I found that kind of
fascinating. The observation effect is wild.
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I mean, it's just, it's, it's just insane, you know, in my
book, I, I, I deal basically with simple things like the
Heisenberg principle or something like that.
You know, it's very simple. But but yeah, it's they're
really, they're really finding some really cool stuff.
You know, it really is, it's just kind of amazing, actually.
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And black holes. I'm very interested in those,
you know, and, and how they, youknow, I never really understood
certain concepts and, and then you see them applied to these
these systems and it's kind of fascinating.
There's another one I was listening to about how, I mean,
how the, The Big Bang is actually the end of expansion of
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the universe and it's just suddenly stopped expanding and
now it's contract. It's just interesting, you know,
just anyway, I, I like, I'm sortof a dilettante.
I like all kinds of things, you know, I like to read all kinds
of things. And it was really fun to do
that. And yeah.
But you fit, you fit well into the infinite rabbit hole then,
because, yeah, well, it's. Funny, because a rabbit hole is
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a very prominent feature of my book too.
So yeah, I really hope you read it.
Yeah. Go ahead, Jeff.
Sorry man. I was just going to say this is
something I tend to ask people who are in your industry,
especially ones who have been inyour industry for a long time,
right. And you kind of alluded to it a
little bit ago, you know, you, what is your experience with
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some of these people? You don't have to say names or
anything, obviously. But as the conspiracy minded
person that I am, you know, I tend to think that a lot of the
people in like film and and all these things like there's
something else going on, right? Whether it's like a cult beliefs
or they're aliens, you know, whatever it is.
I mean, do you have anything that you've come across that
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you're like? You know, I get no, I, I know a
lot of really nice people in this industry.
I mean, you have to realize you're talking about artists who
are some of the strongest, most free thinking people you'll ever
meet, you know, So no, I don't, I don't prescribe to Illuminati.
I don't prescribe to any of that.
I think people and it look, I'm not saying it can't, you know,
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whatever. I don't know everything, but I
was a working class actress, youknow, and I mean, I know a lot
of people, but no, I did my job.You know, it was more like, I
bet nothing but great people. But you know, there's some
gnarly people too. Sure.
And you know, I tend, I tend to listen to my gut and not get
involved gnarly people. And so I was very lucky.
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And but most of the people I know in the business are good
people, really good people, hardworking people.
You know who you know, when you're especially for women, you
know, you're an actress, you make it, you know, you're, you
know, every audition I went on, there were a hundred, a minimum
of 100 other people down on thataudition, right.
So you, you're slugging it out. And I think sometimes when I get
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get hear too much of the cult stuff or anything like that, it
discredits the hard work people.Do you know what I'm saying?
It's it, it, it kind of takes away from, you know, sleeping on
floors, sleeping on couches, waiting tables.
That's what we did what we did, you know, and like, and, and
working hard. So I don't, I don't, I don't go
hey. Fair enough.
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I figured I'd ask, you know, hadthe opportunity to ask, ask a
lot of. People have a lot of look,
people have a lot of interest inthings like that and they see a
lot more than I probably do. You know, I'm, I'm pretty
insulated in my world, but I know for myself and for the
people that I've worked with andI've had pretty good
experiences. I've had bad experiences with
some people. Absolutely.
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But, and, you know, I mean, I think you can boil it all down
to greed, you know, I think it'swhat we're seeing in the world.
I mean, everything can be boileddown to the seven deathly sins,
you know? And it's like, basically it's
greed, you know, when, when people get greedy, things get
bad, you know? For sure.
But I'm really lucky, so I'm very grateful.
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Yeah, well, it's, it's good. It's good that you know.
Yeah, we. Get a positive take on that
it's. Yeah, I just, I, you know, I've
never, I'm not saying it doesn'texist, I just haven't seen it.
So, you know, I, I only speak from my experience and that's
all I can speak from. So where did the interest in the
whole parallel world's concept come from?
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Is there is there a point of origin where you're like, you
know, this is this is very interesting, did well.
You know, there were just, I think a lot of little things
along the way. I think, I, I think knowing
things that I didn't know how I knew, I think was a big one.
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And I, you know, I kind of had this, this weird.
I have had some weird dreams andthey've, you know, kind of come
true. And I've had situations where I
really did feel like I was looking down at myself and
making sure, you know, like it was like I knew this like Deja,
a lot of Deja Vu, right? And I, you know, and I thought
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I. Who's to say that, you know,
I'm, I'm not so arrogant as to say that this is all there is,
you know, and, and not at least prescribe to the notion that
there's several ways, you know, I mean, you'll read the book,
you'll see what I'm saying, but there's several ways to getting
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to the end result. I mean, I, I do believe that
things are sort of deterministicoverall, but I do believe
there's several ways and severaloutcomes and not outcomes, but
several paths to get there. And, and that's kind of what I'm
putting forward, you know, and I, I, you know, I just had, I
think sometimes if you're quiet,you can get information or you
can, you can understand things in a different way.
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And, and I, I mean, you know, now there's no matter now, you
know, I mean, it's like really interesting, right?
Everything's constantly changing.
So who's, you know, if you look at like 1 of the things I use is
the Heisenberg principle, uncertainty principle, you know,
like you, you can tell where a particle is or you can tell it's
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momentum, but you can't tell both at the same time, right?
Well, from that I went, well, that's because they're in
different dimensions, you know what I mean?
So it's like I'm I'm when you'relooking at its point, it was,
and now it's here, you know, butit's in front and you can't find
it. So I thought, well, we just
extrapolate that to us, you know, and I thought that was
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interesting. So I don't know, I just, I think
there's a lot we don't understand.
I think there's a lot we don't. I think if, if I were to just
take a peek under the curtain ofthe future, I think we're going
to find that that, you know, andthis is, this is kind of me
getting a little bit more woo than than typically would.
But I, I think that we're going to find that we're more quantum
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than than we typically believe that we that we are.
And I believe that our consciousness is more of a
quantum thing than than. Typical.
Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that.
I think, you know, to be, you know, I think we're all energy.
You know, that's how I look at everything.
Everything is energy. And I think when energy, you
know, we're just talking about what is observable.
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So sometimes energy, I think, wants to observe itself right
through us. You know what I mean?
We were, we had just done an episode.
We were talking about the law ofconservation of mass and the law
of conservation of energy and how neither can be created nor
destroyed, but they can only change forms.
Energy could turn into mass overlong periods of times and, and,
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and mass can change in the energy and that happens quickly.
So we were talking about the concept of death and where does
the conscious go consciousness go after death?
Well, if, if everything that we know of as of right now is
made-up as either energy or matter, your body is, is
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obviously a matter, what, what would your consciousness be?
You can't hold your consciousness right.
So you would think that your, your consciousness would fall
underneath the energy side of, of, of the things.
So does your energy fall away and then does that and does that
kind of explain the concept of near death experiences that
people report, you know, where they they can look down?
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And see, I think that's right. And I think I've, I have, you
know, a different a couple points in my life.
Felt like I was watching myself in life kind of like that.
And right. I was like, how do I know that?
How am I seeing, you know, when I you know, and it was crazy
actually. And and I think that's, I think
that's valid. I do.
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And I think, you know, it's the one of the greatest quotes.
Who the heck said this? You guys will probably know,
said you don't. What is it?
You don't have a soul. You are a soul.
You have a body. I think that kind of explains
it, you know? Yeah, I, I don't know who said
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it, but I, I understand it. I definitely.
You know what I mean? It's like, it's like, yeah,
yeah, this is matter, you know? So yeah.
Well, it's interesting. I, you know, I've always said
this. I mean, you're, you're an
artist. I'm an artist, I'm a musician.
And I think that being in that flow state, whether you're
writing music or you're writing,you know, you get in that flow
state. And to me, that's when most of
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that call it fringe information,whatever you want to say, that's
when it comes to me, Right. So yeah.
It's like creativity, you know? It's just your creativity.
You're just, you know, I always,I always kind of refer to it as
channeling when I write because I'm just like, I don't know
what, you know, I'm just kind ofgetting all the information out
of my whatever onto the page, you know?
And I, I, when they asked, well,how did you do that?
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Did you research what you? No, I just kind of did it, you
know, I just kind of got quiet and it kind of came forward, you
know, And I think a lot of writers and artists feel that
way, you know? Awesome.
Well, Ally, I know that we don'thave you all night, so why don't
you go ahead and let everybody know where they can find
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everything? Allie Walker?
Where can they follow you? Where can they come visit all of
your work? Website handles.
All that good stuff. OK, yeah, go to
alliewalkerofficial.com and you can go to Amazon and look up the
Light Runner. 3 words, The LightRunner by Allie Walker.
And I hope, I hope you guys likeit.
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Oh, it's. On one to no clue.
Oh, I pinned the Amazon link in the twitch chat for anybody
who's listening right now. I know that you've I've already
got confirmation that there's been a few purchases tonight.
So I think you're. Crazy.
What are these people saying? No, I don't.
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No shadow band, I don't. I really don't.
I'm cool with whatever I've beenaround a long time.
I'm really, it's not my first, you know, but you gotta just
gotta be Love is the number one energy.
Love, love is the frequency we we all need to be on.
That's the frequency everybody needs to get on. 100% no we we
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just we like to give each other crap in the in the chat.
So please, you know. This is honestly, this was a
very tame episode. This is very nice.
Sorry, no. No, Mom, what do you want from
me? Ali, this was an absolute
pleasure. I really do appreciate you
taking the time and visiting us.This was great.
(26:46):
I can't wait. I got my my copy showing up
tomorrow in in the mail and I I'll write you a nice review and
oh, you're so. Sweet.
Thank you so much. OK this.
This episode will go live next Monday, not tomorrow, but the
Monday after that, and we'll post it on all our socials and
tag you once the recording is done.
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If you could just hang back for just a second so I can make sure
I have all the audio downloaded.OK.
Jeff, you have anything to put out before we go?
No, I appreciate you coming on, Allie.
It's like I said, it's it's an honor to meet you.
So this is pretty. Sick you guys to have me.
Thank you so much. Absolutely.
For those of you that are subscribed to our Patreon, the
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