224. Alien Farm Animals?, Fermi Paradox, & AI UFOs

What if humans were planted on Earth as a sort of farm animal? Separated by the vastness of space on purpose in order to ensure that we never make contact with another pasture populated by our extraterrestrial farmers who make routine trips to check in on their prized stock. Could this be an answer to the famed Fermi Paradox? Could the farmers be Artificial Intelligence created by an ancient advanced alien species that has already taken over their creators? Today, we talk about it all. Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole!

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Episode Transcript

(00:38):
Welcome back to the Infinite Rabbit Hole.
I'm your host, Jeremy. I am not a Nickelback fan.
Today we're going to lead right into where we left off last
weekend, which I don't remember where exactly we were.
I don't even remember the entirethe entire conversation.

(00:59):
I had just had some very vague notes.
Sorry, I had a whole week go by and I don't really remember the
conversation. But before we do that, let's
let's go ahead and touch base with Jeff.
Jeff, how you doing bud? Doing pretty good.
I like Nickelback. See, you got the wrong guy.

(01:20):
Hey, it wasn't even me. Look, man, that shit slapped
when when I was in, in like middle school, bro.
You know, it's got a nostalgic flavor to it now, you know, now
you're going to catch me playingit with other people around.
Fuck no. But, you know, once in a while
in my car, I might slap on a little playlist from the, you
know, early 2000s and Nickelbackcomes on.
I'm in there singing it. I'm not going to lie to you, you

(01:41):
know. He's, he's going to be, he's
gonna be singing about a photograph.
Listen, it's not the hits that'sthat hit, OK?
It's the ones that nobody knows about.
But I just, I'm the I'm the fucking obscure guy.
I like the songs that nobody knows, OK?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, man.

(02:06):
Yeah, yeah. No, no, whatever.
Man, I, I don't know. I, I'm gonna be honest with you,
man, I I never really dug in theNickelback like that.
I didn't either. I'm just fucking with you
honestly. Creed.
Now Creed on the other hand, Creed is my shit.
OK, we're late. Try to open.

(02:27):
OK? Jesus Christ.
Jesus. Christ, oh man, I don't know
man, I I can't do the creed thing either.
Anyways, let's let's, let's movelet's move fast to music.

(02:47):
We we, we've wasted a ton of time on music in the pre show.
So let's let's let's get caught up on some good stuff.
UFO days is right around the corner.
I know last year we we spent a lot of time on the run up on UFO
Days and we haven't really done it so much this year, but UFO

(03:14):
Days is right around the corner.We have about a month left until
we are in Elmwood. Jeff is not with us this year
because he hates us. I don't care what he says, he
could say whatever he wants. Truth is, is that he just
doesn't like us. Whatever.

(03:36):
Couldn't have sent it better myself.
See, there it is. But we will have our old Co host
Kenzar there. Jake says he's still going to be
there. We're going to have Skeeter
there. We are going to be the
headlining and opening presentation this year doing

(03:57):
we're going to prove presenting the story of Elmwood to Elmwood
again. I'll be the the tour bus guy
this year. We'll have the booth open again.
I was supposed to have the T-shirt today was going to
supposed to be wearing the the UFO days T-shirt that didn't

(04:18):
have it you. Better send me one of.
Those. Oh yeah, you're going to get
one, dude. I got AI got a box getting ready
that I'm going to send out to you guys.
Probably get it in about 6 to 8 months.
We'll see something like that ifyou're lucky.
I just answered a questionnaire for a newspaper.

(04:39):
Sent that out last night. People still read those?
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I got a couple
newspaper and magazine articles framed up over there from last
year's UFO days, so I'm excited to get a couple more.
Signed. My first autograph last year on
a newspaper, that was pretty cool.

(05:00):
Maybe I'll get to sign another autograph this year.
That'd be cool. Let's see not much else when it
comes to UFO days. I mean, it's UFO days.
It's exciting. You know, a lot of a lot of
really cool things happened lastyear.
We met a lot of fans that we didn't know we had.

(05:22):
There's a lot more people that listen to the show than we
thought actually listened to theshow, which is cool.
People just came up and were like, yo, we love, we love the
show and it's like, cool, that'sawesome.
Or, you know, people came up and, you know, we were still
setting up and they came and they're like, yo, I came all the
way out here because I heard youguys were going to be here and

(05:43):
then and shook our hands. And we had, you know, like one
guy came up and he, he was messaging me on Facebook and.
And he's like, yeah, you know, Ijust wanted to make sure you
guys were still going to be here.
He hit me up. He's like, I'm going to be there
in an hour. Just make sure you're still
there. And I was like, yes, you came up
and hung out with us for a little while on on Saturday last

(06:05):
year. I.
Want to know what the percentageof those people are that were
just full of shit? Oh, probably all of them except
for except. For nice people up there, you
know, and and you know, I'm thatkind of guy, I'll walk by and be
like, God, bro, you guys are great.
Fuck, that is you know. But yeah, I mean, it's cool,
man. You know, we got some pretty

(06:27):
cool stories last year. We missed out on the Saturday
night party. I don't think we're going to
miss out this year. Yeah, it was fun.
We got assaulted by cheese. It was a good time.
Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did.
That was cool. I'm actively working on the
Elmwood book, so I'm going to betaking notes and everything this
year. Try to add some more chapters to

(06:47):
that book. By next year the book will be
out. Let's see, that's pretty much it
for Elmwood. Hopefully by next weekend I'll
have the T-shirt for everybody to see.
Sick bro. Yeah, by next weekend I should
have two more songs uploaded to my SoundCloud, so check it out.

(07:10):
Nice, nice, nice. All right, Well, you ready to
jump into the conversation? Yep.
Where my Tactus watch shirt today?
I have the same shirt. Do you you have the one with the
the little thing on the sleeve? Yep.
Yeah. The Grunt Style one, yeah.
Is it? That's not grunt style.

(07:31):
Yeah, I mean kind of that's that's what I call all the
shirts with the with the, you know, the arm fucking.
Stereotyping. Yeah, whatever.
Yeah, sue me. All right.
Well, I don't remember where we left off.
Yes, Yesterday or yester week. But I do remember that there was

(07:53):
something that I wanted to bringto your attention and that was
during the conversation about whether or not UFOs were simply
AI from the future. There was a a point that I
wanted to make about a particular UFO that was really

(08:17):
hot in the in the news a while back.
The jellyfish UFO. Are you familiar with them?
With this particular UFOI want to say it was.
I don't know Afghanistan. Or Iraq or something.
You'd have to pull up like a thing so I can see it.
Here. I Yeah, I got you here.
It's right here. No, I'm good right now, babe.

(08:38):
Thanks. But I, I am familiar with
jellyfish UFOs. This wouldn't be the first one
because I've, I remember hearingabout this like 10 years ago.
So Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So not don't don't worry about the colored ones up here, but
I'm more worried like this guy right here and this one here.
So for those that are just listening on Spotify or Apple,

(09:00):
the one that I'm talking about it's a black and white Fleer
video. It's in a military base in Iraq
and the flare video recorded this object cruising over the
military base from the right side to the left side of the

(09:25):
video. And I'll, I'll, I'll find the
video as well. But I wanted to talk about this
because we, we, I can't rememberif we tow heavily or not into
this, but I want to talk about AI in general, right?

(09:45):
So right now and I understand that in the future we're going
to get much better AI. But if you think about AI and
kind of an argument that I was making last time about AI is
that if we're looking or if we're being visited by let's

(10:06):
just like I think I used the word drones last time talking
about AI from the from the future, using UFOs as a drone
like piece of equipment to visitus and learn from us as some

(10:29):
sort of knowledge gathering piece of equipment.
We have to stay away from the human based.
We we we got to stay away from putting the human fingerprint on
things, right? So it's not going to look like a

(10:52):
camera. It's not going to look like a
quadcopter. It's not going to look like a
drone that we would assign to it.
OK. It would look something like AI
would create. Now if you look at what AI
originally created and the firstthing that comes to mind is Will

(11:13):
Smith eating spaghetti. Remember that video, Jeff?
Yep. I mean, it was an absolutely
horrendous video and we could pull that up here in a minute,
but it was an absolutely just, it's it's fucking nightmares,
man. It was horrible, right?

(11:35):
But this is, this was how AI made people eating spaghetti.
Then, you know, we started getting these horrible AI
pictures of people with seven fingers and just weirdly placed
buttons on shirts and just AI isnot perfect at things.

(11:59):
And it's getting better. Yeah.
So let's say AI is also now whatever it's sending back, It's
just learning how to do this. OK, What would what would these
objects look like? Would it look like a perfect

(12:23):
sphere? Would it look like a flying
saucer? Would it look like?
I don't know, giant cigar shapedUFO?
Maybe not. It could look like a clop of
shit like this Could just look like crap like your proverbial

(12:46):
Will Smith eating a bullish spaghetti.
Right? That's what I see here.
I think this is one of the best examples of the possibility of
of a UFO being something sent orthe physical embodiment of AI.

(13:15):
This looks like that to do that or bird shit on Lent.
It's one of the two now. There's been a lot of dissection
on this video and one thing it seems to not be is Birch it on
lens. Doesn't seem to be a smudge of,

(13:35):
you know, like a dead bug or whatever.
This does seem to be an actual artifact in the environment,
doesn't seem to be something that's stuck on the lens.
So what is it? You're not.

(13:58):
You're not going to like this. Good, I'm going to try to find
the video. I don't think that any of these
craft flying over military installations are anything other
than craft that we are making. The reason I say that is because

(14:20):
they would have shot that motherfucker down.
And don't give me the all the Taco John's.
We have a higher standard of flame.
Fucking had really chicken. Oh, you missed the sauce and.
Always hot potato olets. I'll wait for the That's what we
call I. Can't get at the stop?
Try. Our freshest lineup yet with a
new Jesus Christ. The reason is they would have

(14:41):
shot it down and you can't tell me like, Oh, well, they you
know, they can't track it or loglock on to it or whatever the
case might be because they do track these things, man.
Look at it. It's being tracked right now.
OK, It's being tracked right now.
And the one, the videos that we got a few years ago from the
what was it from the Nimitz? Was it from the Nimitz?

(15:04):
Depends on which one you're talking about.
You're talking about the go fastand gimbal?
Or are you talking about the OR the tic tac?
The go fast and the gimbal. That one's from the Roosevelt.
Which one was from the Nimitz? That one's the Tic Tac.

(15:25):
Those were the pilots that saw it though, right?
I mean, both of them were pilotsthat.
That's another, that's a side tangent I could go on because
the Nimitz is brought back up inthe conspiracy world with all
the Iran stuff, but that's another thing.
But anyways, the point is, is with the Go Fast and the gimbal,
they were tracking it right? I remember in the videos, those
things were like being tracked, OK, and they look like TR3BS to

(15:47):
me, or some variations of the TR3BS and the Tic Tac one.
They, it was being tracked too. This is how they know like that
it was able to perform certain maneuvers and go from whatever
20,000 feet to 20 feet in a second, right?
Like, well, the only reason thatthey could tell those fucking
altitudes because it had to havebeen tracked on some level by
our technology. We would not let this fly,

(16:08):
right? We would have shot these things
down. So that tells me that somebody
gave the green light to do a test flight at this military
installation. And they they send it up to
whoever to say, hey, look, don'tlet the boys shoot this down.
It's ours now. They met.
They probably didn't tell everybody that, of course,
right? But somebody there knew that

(16:29):
this was going down and that's why it didn't get shot down.
So. Look, there's people just
walking right there, bro, like. Yeah, but I don't think this was
US. Anywhere.
Anywhere. If I'm if I'm correct, I don't
think this was this was over AUSfacility.
Any facility bro. In fact the fact that it's not

(16:53):
US even more so, they would haveshot it down because at least in
the US they might have hesitatedand been like what?
Wait, we will calm down because there's all kinds of legal
implications and so on and so forth if we just shoot something
down over our own fucking air base and it causes this problem.
This says U.S. military base andthis is from ET but from what I

(17:14):
understand is that this I don't know if this was AUS military
base from what I. Heard wasn't like I said, I
would expect it to be shot down even faster because like if
you're flying some object over some Russian military base or
some, you know, wherever now I you're not going to fuck around.
I do agree right if if it was inbroad daylight, you're right.

(17:40):
Easily tracked just like that, you would think yeah they
probably would shoot that bitch down. 100% agree, very sketchy
there there. There is a lot of red flags in
this and you know, I just brought that up as as an example
of something that could be potentially something AI
created. Sure.
And I I agree with that part of what you're saying.

(18:02):
I mean, for me personally, whether you're talking about
AIUFOS or you know, extraterrestrial UFOs or inner
whatever, they are like some advanced shit that's beyond us.
You know, I could see it being more likely an organic, like an
organic shape of some kind, right?
Like a jellyfish or you know, even maybe like a plasma or

(18:26):
something, right? Like I don't see why super
intelligence or aliens would make like a metallic saucer
shape, right? Or something that we could kind
of like understand on some level, if that makes sense,
right? Like it would probably be.
Have you ever seen Oats Studios on Netflix?

(18:47):
Yeah, did. You watch that very first
episode where it was like the reptilians.
Yeah. And you noticed like the
reptilians, they were covered inthe black goo and it was like
constantly moving like like the,the ships that they came in were
like organic in some way like that.
That is a a representation of something I could see as like an
advanced, you know, craft. Not a rigid craft, but more of a

(19:12):
fluid craft. I don't know.
I don't know, because you'd haveto, you'd have to think that you

(19:35):
that physics would just have to work differently.
And then the way that elements work in the way that they build,
the way that they react together, the way the way that

(19:55):
they, I mean, alchemy would haveto work differently on other
planets, right? I mean, work differently is
like, we could get into this, right?
This is going to be another one of my like, weird semantic
arguments. You know, I'll just say it right
out. Physics is fake, OK?

(20:18):
You know what I'm saying when I say that, OK, There's just
things that we misunderstand andthere's things that have been
put into boxes and, and especially for the general
public that we understand a certain set of physics because
that's what we're told. And I have a problem with that.
I think that there's other shit,right?
When you talk about even things like when you hear these crazy

(20:38):
stories like, oh, how did the Egyptians build the pyramids?
Oh, they used sound frequency technology or, you know, they
whatever, like they melted the stone using some unknown
technology. Like, I think that those things
are possible. We're just not allowed to really
know about it. And they, they, they fucked with
the understanding of how the universe works a long time ago

(21:00):
so that we can't really get to that understanding.
I think, I think that there's a lot of a lot on the basis of
physics that we have wrong, right The the the base that we
build off of is incorrect. Sure.

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And I don't think that's necessarily what physicists
today are guilty of, right? They're they're, they're
building off of, off of false bases.
And it's not necessarily their fault.
And this is this is where we we had that conversation about the

(21:42):
auditing of having that branch of science that that audits
other sciences, right and goes back and basically confirms that
the most elementary principles of those sciences are actually

(22:03):
correct. Correct.
Yeah. And this is what I say when I
say gravity's fake, I'll just use that as a quick example,
right? Like of course there's a thing
that's happening. There is a force or, or whatever
that that you could call it gravity if you want, with the
understanding. And then the fact that we've
labeled it that way. And like you said, like modern
day physicists, you know, most of their calculations are being

(22:24):
done using this faulty foundation of what what what we
think gravity is, right. So that that's like a good
example. Yeah, I I think there's more to
gravity. The thing, the thing about
gravity, man, is that something exists that that pulls mass

(22:52):
towards other mass, right? That exists whether it's,
whether it's gravity by textbook, because there's you
got to remember there's no necessarial necessarily.
There's no textbook definition of what gravity is.
Right, theoretical. Yeah, but you also have to be

(23:13):
careful with that too, OK? It's still technically a
hypothesis. It's not even a a theory.
A theory is a law that cannot betested, correct?
So a hypothesis is an idea, right?
Gravity is still just somebody'sidea.

(23:38):
It it's, it's the same concept as dark matter, right?
Dark matter is something, it, itfits into the equation, right?
There's an equation of how everything works and dark matter
fits all It is is is. It's a piece of the equation
that makes the equation make sense.

(24:00):
Right. And that that's the problem,
right, is that they, they, it's essentially A placeholder piece
of the equation, right? Nobody's ever created, seen,
replicated, tested dark matter, right?
Because it, it's when they were doing the math problem, OK,
everybody knows what I'm talkingabout.
The giant fucking math problem on a chalkboard.

(24:22):
OK, somewhere in there they had to they, they couldn't figure it
out. They were like something is
wrong. And then they kind of like
reverse engineered it in a way, if you will.
And they were like, well, we canmake it work if we add this
little placeholder here. Now the the whole equation
works. And we'll call this placeholder

(24:44):
dark matter. I think something similar, maybe
not exactly the same, but something similar has happened
with gravity, with with a lot ofthe things in physics like
you're saying. Like I think that the
foundations that they're workingoff of are just altered.
Correct, right, correct and. So when you say, I don't know,

(25:10):
like the physics would have to be different on another planet
if they're going to make some weird, you know, organic craft,
blah, blah, blah. Is that the case or do we just
not have a proper understanding of how the universe works?
That's a big problem too, because I think that in today's
day and age with the Internet and the technology that we have,

(25:32):
we like to think that we know everything, or at least we're on
track to know everything. You know, the like, we're
getting there, right? Like that's what we all think.
We're at the pinnacle of, of discovery and civilization.
And I, I don't necessarily buy into that.
I think that we live in a a veryfucking synthetic version of
manufactured version of that. Fuck, I didn't think I was going

(26:05):
to have this problem today man. What problem you have?
The problem of Jeff and I had had quite the experience today.
Yes, we did. Yes, we did.
And without getting into it at all, we.

(26:28):
Can't. We can't.
We can't, of course, but you know, like some of that was
happening today, right, with some of the information and it
was kind of like, OK, maybe there is a little something
something's been tweaked here or, or the information is not
quite what we think it is, you know, and.
That's exactly where I want to go right now and I can't do
that. I can't do it.
I'm with you. I want to too.

(26:48):
I want to so bad I but we can't fuck OK?
We have to shift gears because we can't do that.
The more has has entered the chat, the more always brings up

(27:11):
some some good stuff. Mass attracting mass has
dismissed was dismissed by Einstein.
There are 0 experiments showing mass attracts mass.
Well OK, maybe Einstein was was famous for working off of

(27:36):
mathematics and and proving through mathematics.
Einstein never had a big enough of a vacuum to be able to
actually run the experiment. That's why he his relativity,
his general and special relativities are theories.

(27:58):
They can't be tested, so they never made it to laws.
So the theory of general relativity and theory of special
relativity, they're they can only be verified mathematically.
It can never be verified physically.
Right, With everything from the way light reacts around black

(28:20):
holes and how gravity effects light, it all works and doesn't
work mathematically. And Jeff and I even had what,
what was the term that we were talking about today?

(28:41):
Einstein's biggest failure in his own mind was that he was
unable to ever come up with a unified field theory, right?
Or a unified field. Yeah, that's it.
Unified was it? Yep, basically the explanation

(29:04):
for everything. He his big goal in life was to
come up with with an equation orsomehow some way to explain the
physics of literally everything in life.
And he just, he, he never reached it.
And he saw that as his. His biggest failure and and This

(29:26):
is why it took somebody like Stephen Hawking, who I also
think is a shill, it it took somebody like Stephen Hawking to
come up with some other theoriesusing faulty foundational
physics to plug the gaps to comeup with other theory.
You know what I mean? So it's like we're just living
in this long like strung out thing in in the sciences, right,

(29:53):
where they're just doing that. They're like, we don't know the
answer, but the public expects an answer.
The government's expect an answer.
So what we can do is we can justplug these holes with equations
that we can make work. But that's what they're doing.
So, Newton, one of Newton's lawsis mass attracting mass, right

(30:21):
Again, yes. But have we ever been out to
space and actually tested this? I, I honestly don't know.
I don't know if we ever actuallywent out there and tested
whether or not. We haven't.
We've never been to space, Jeremy.
We've gone through this. OK, true.

(30:44):
But regardless, we we've never been to a point in space where
there is no gravitational pull by some scientific definition,
by some scientific organization,by their definition, no, no

(31:09):
gravitational influence. And you know, far past the orc
cloud of this solar system, in between galaxies where there's
absolutely no gravitational influence, and took two bodies

(31:30):
and tested gravitational influences between 2:00 bodies
of different masses. Right.
We never do. I mean, like, honestly, you'd
have to. You'd have to go outside of the
solar system, out of the reach of the sun.
If that's even a real fucking thing, I'm not convinced.
But if it is, you'd have to go way beyond like the Kuiper belt

(31:55):
in order to completely escape gravitational forces to do these
experiments. And we just, we can't do that,
even if says Israel. That's why we rely on theories,
right? Because we have to rely on the
mathematics of it to prove it. And that's where Einstein came
in. He was really good at creating

(32:16):
these theories, OK, He was. He came up with all these
mathematical equations that proved all of this stuff.
Now, I'm not going to sit here and say that all of his
equations prove things, OK? There was a point in my life
where, yeah, I believed it. Jeff helped me out of that hole

(32:38):
in multiple different scenarios and multiple different cases.
You're welcome. Thanks man.
Not going to go over each and every one of those, but I do
look at these differently now, but I still look at them as we

(33:00):
have to, we have to start somewhere, right?
If we can't just start nowhere, OK, we can't just build off of
nothing. So we have to, we have to start
somewhere if we're going to, if we're going to build anything,
we have to do something. So, so where are we going to

(33:24):
start from? If we're going to progress with
anything, what, what can, what can we agree on?
Well, I, I don't know, right? I don't know the answers either.
I'm not, I don't claim to know the answers.
I just, you know, I'm, I'm very firm on questioning everything
and that literally means everything.
But I, you know, Jake's voice ispopping into my head here.

(33:45):
And what you're saying is true if you're living in a secular
worldview, right? If if you're living in a, in a
non secular worldview, you know,you would attribute all of these
things to your God, right? So I and I understand both sides
of this enough to be like, OK, I'm, I'm kind of with, I'm in
the middle, right? I'm a fence sitter.
Everybody hates that, but I'm kind of a fence sitter on that.

(34:08):
But I want to tie this back to AI for a second, right?
So like this is the problem thatwe have with AI as well.
All of the information that you're getting from AI and will
get from AI is being pulled fromthe Internet, and the Internet
is full of faulty information. So moving forward in time, 100

(34:30):
years or 1000 years, when AI is super intelligent and all this,
it's still going to be based on a flawed foundation because that
information is not anywhere for it to be trained on, right?
Oh, maybe somebody somewhere hasthe real information and they're
training in AI with that. That's a different story, but we

(34:50):
don't know, right? But you know, right now you can
go ask Rock a question and you know, it's just pulling
information off the Internet, which is a bunch of fucking
nerds who put shit on the Internet.
So, you know, how fantastic is it really?
To me, it's just really quick atfinding things and compiling it
into a digestible format for human beings.

(35:12):
It's not really doing the thing that I think people think it's
doing, right? Intelligent.
It's just super fast. Yeah, I we're getting off track
here. I.
Was trying to pull it back into AIA little bit, you know?

(35:32):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's we were. I have all my notes here from
last weekend that we were getting.
We were going to be talking about aliens being the hidden
class. Do you remember where we were
going with that? No, I don't think we got into
that. What?

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What were we talking about? Well, we had a lot, like half of
last week's episode was literally about time travelling
AI. Yeah, right.
And we went through all that andthen we went into our we AI and
we didn't really get too deep into that 'cause I think we got
sidetracked in the conversation,to be honest with you.

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Yeah, I need to take better notes.
I don't take any fucking notes, bro.
You're good man. You're doing.
You're doing more than me. I know, I know.
And then I wrote down the Fermi paradox.
What were you talking about withthe Fermi paradox?
We didn't even talk about that. You might have had.
Maybe the thought popped into your head and you wrote it down,
but we didn't talk about it. But but what did I want to talk

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about with it? Wait, is that the three body
problem? No, no.
No, no, that's not right. What is the Fermi paradox?
If if there's life out there, why haven't you seen it?
Type of thing. Yeah, like.
Mathematics. Yeah, we didn't really talk
about that. The Fermi paradox, I mean,
there, there's a lot of cool things.
I mean the, there's a, there's alot of answers to the Fermi

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paradox, right? Oh, that's what we're going to
talk about. The what was it?
Jeremy Corbell brought up TechnoTerrestrials and how we could be

(37:24):
seated here by AI, right? Yeah.
And then we went on a long tangent and I was talking about
AI in the future pulling time towards itself to create itself,
using us as the the tool to do that.
Correct, and how we are nothing but a is tools to just be
information gatherers. The sex organs of the machine

(37:46):
world. Yeah.
And how? OK.
So with the theory, the zoo theory, we could be just
basically or not, not necessarily the zoo theory, but
the farm theory, we could just be cattle, right?

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We are, we were put on this earth or on this planet to to,
you know, kind of just gather information about, you know,
everything and anything, mostly natural resources and how to
utilize them. Come up with our our own
understanding of of physics, various math and scientific

(38:30):
fields. Not, not, not necessarily so
much on history, but maybe reading, writing,
communications, you know, that kind of stuff.
They gather up all of our information once once we create
AI or they plant technologies because there is a theory that

(38:54):
UFO crashes were planted by whatever it is that that pilots
them, right. If you look at where UF OS have
crashed and where they have beensupposedly recovered from like
Roswell, right. It seems that, and I want to say
it was actually off the Sean Ryan show that I I heard this,

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that supposedly it seems that every major nation that has
that's kind of been in the game when it comes to reverse
engineering of UFOs and gravitate gravitational

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manipulation and even into nuclear sciences has recovered
UFO, some sort of UFO. And it seems that they may have
been planted purposefully crashed in certain areas of the
world to be recovered by certainnations.

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As kind of like a hey, here's some free technology for as a
boost, do what you will with it.Let's see what you got kind of
thing. Maybe.
I mean, maybe I don't really have an argument against that at
all I guess. So strange, strange question,

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right? What if one day we do end up
making contact with, with another planet?
Because as of right now, the reality of it is, well, we'll
talk about reality from a, from a point of view of what the,
what Earth majority of Earth believes from a scientific point

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of view is that there's a ton ofplanets out there with, you
know, when you, when you look atthe Drake equation, right, The
Drake equation is the way of calculating how many intelligent
species there are here in the Milky Way, right?

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That alone is telling you that science.
Well, believers in the Drake Equation believe that there are
other intelligent species in theMilky Way alone.
Not in other galaxies, just in the Milky Way.
So let's say that those other intelligent species were also

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planted. They're so far away, even if
they were in Alpha Centauri, right?
They're still so far away that within the lifetime of our
species here on this planet, before our star goes supernova,
we still probably don't have enough time here to be able to

(41:57):
make contact with them, to communicate, right?
OK, So if an AI or some superiorrace were to have planted us
here to to bead information gatherers for them as a farm
animal of sorts or some sort of minor like a crypto minor,

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right? We could be that's another thing
that you can look at us as like a as biological crypto miners,
they never really have to worry about us talking to other farm
animals or other crypto miners, right?
They don't have to worry about that.

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That's not a thing. There's an answer to the Fermi
paradox right there. What if if there are other
intelligent species out there? One of the reasons why is
because they have places so far away so that we purposely can
never make contact with each other.

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I mean, I mean, when we talk about this stuff, it just it
really just makes me think aboutthe space is fake thing a lot,
man. Because you know, I got to be
honest, man. You know, according to the, the
experts, right, you know, we've laid our eyes on hundreds and
billions of, of stars and planets out there, right?

(43:32):
And we've not detected any form of light or life, rather.
We've been shooting fucking radio signals out for for like
100 years, man. And like nothing really has
communicated back. We have light information
technology, right? Lasers which travel much faster

(43:52):
than radio waves. We're we're shooting those out
trying to get a signal right. And nobody's responding.
And to me, that's just, it's like further proof that all of
the shit that we're told about space and how big it is and how
vast it is and how much shit there is out there is just a

(44:14):
lie. Because like you said, if it is
the way that they say there would be, I don't know the
number. We could probably ask Grok, you
know what the Drake equation says?
How many intelligent light civilizations should there be in
the Milky Way? And it's a big number, right?
I remember seeing this somewhere.
Is it? It's a big number?

(44:34):
It's more than a few. And then you calculate all the
galaxies and such and it's just like, man, it, it's got to be
either We're the only thing out there, which is just absurd,
right? Unless you are taking like a
religious viewpoint on this and you think we're special, which

(44:55):
I'm, I'm fine with that argument.
But if not, to me, it's just like a way to promote scarcity.
It's a way to promote the idea that we are stuck here and we
have to fight over these resources because this is all we
got. You know, I want to say the
Drake equation has to do with hypothetical inputs.

(45:19):
That's the other problem too, right?
Like just kind of like what we were talking about earlier with
physics. It's like, you know, all this
stuff is tainted by human beings, right?
The the inputs for the Drake equates some schmuck came up
with this and put in the, you know, the parameters and and

(45:40):
stuff that you need to, you know, calculate.
It just doesn't make a whole lotof sense to me to be honest.
You know, give you give you guysall a little sneak peek at a
blog I was writing. Doesn't make a lot of sense to
me. And unless you get into, like I
said, like religious stuff, you know, we were created here
purposely by the architect or byGod.

(46:01):
OK, Can't really argue against that.
You know, if that's the case, that's the case.
Or ancient astronaut theory thatthere is actually shit going on.
They came here, they DNA manipulated, you know, hominids
that were here and created us out of something else and then

(46:23):
left. And then perhaps if space is
real, all the space agencies know that there's stuff out
there and they just won't tell us, right?
And this is what when we were talking about breakaway
civilizations last week, You know, I personally think that if
space is real, that we probably are out there and this is just a
farm, like you said, but it's not quite the way you explained

(46:45):
it. It's more so like, well, you
never seen Star Wars, but this would be like, this would be
like Tatooine, right? Or to put it in some, you might.
The whole earth is North Korea, right?
Like people who live in North Korea, not all of them, but a
lot of people who live in North Korea, they really think North
Korea is the shit. And they really think that
that's the pinnacle of human civilization over there, some of

(47:08):
those people. And I think that that's kind of
the position we're in here. And we just have no idea that
there's, you know, human beings out there doing stuff, you know
what I mean? And they're farming us for
whether it's information or, or most likely DNA for cloning, you
know, 'cause if you have a massive space fleet out there
exploring the Galaxy, you know, you need a lot of bodies for

(47:29):
that. And the best way to do that is
to collect DNA from a farm and clone humans and send them out.
So this was this was a blog I was writing.
I got a ton of them. So you guys are getting a free

(47:51):
look at fucking nerd. Yep, this one is on our UF OS
extraterrestrial. This is just page three of
eight. So you guys are just getting a
little glimpse, but this is particularly on the Drake
equation. I'll read it off for you guys
here. I'll skip the the section OnStar
systems, Galaxies and universes,but I'll read off the Drake

(48:15):
equation just to kind of answer the question on what that is for
anybody that's curious. So of course life exists on
other planets. I am personally not arguing
that. In fact, I think most of the
scientific and non scientific communities on this planet will
agree that it is more likely that there is another form of

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life somewhere out there in the vastness of space.
In 1961, the American astrophysicist and
astrobiologist Frank Drake formulated the famous Drake
Equation, which, when filling inthe variables with data points,
will give you a proposed number of commutative extraterrestrial
civilizations in the Milky Way Galaxy.

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This equation reads N = R * F I'm not going to read all this
yet, I'm just going to give you the the values right FNFFFL with
the equation broken down like this.

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OK, so N equals the number of civilizations with which humans
could communicate. This variable stands as the
outcome to the equation. So this is your answer, R
multiplied. This is the your mean rate of *
formation. F to lower P equals fraction of

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stars that have planets and to lower E This is the mean number
of planets that could support life per star with planets.
F to the lower L fraction of life supporting planets that
develop life. F to lower I fraction of planets
with life where life develops intelligence, F to lower C

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fraction of intelligent civilizations that develop
communication. And finally L which stands for
the mean length of time that civilization can communicate.
But we're not done here to dive too far into the Drake equation.
I'm not just simply explaining that there is a well known and

(50:23):
of course the beta equation in the scientific community for the
estimation of intelligence or intelligent and communicative
extra extraterrestrial life in the Milky Way Galaxy.
While we're here, let's take a moment to discuss a few commonly
misused terms. OK.
Yeah, that we'll stop there. I asked Brock for the answer.

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Oh yeah, what do you say? Estimates range from 1 to
1,000,000. Due to uncertain parameters,
current consensus leans toward alow number, possibly 10 to 100,
but it's highly speculative. That's how many civilizations
are in the Milky Way. Intelligent civilizations in the

(51:05):
Milky Way between between 1:00 to millions.
Consensus being 10 to 100. Right?
Again, look, we we got telescopes that are apparently
pairing out way beyond the MilkyWay, right?
Like we've seen other galaxies and shit.

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So how is it that that's possible and we haven't seen or
heard from any other civilizations in our own Galaxy?
It's just not. It's just not possible.
Correct. So that just leads me to think
that there either is none or what they tell us about the

(51:47):
infinite fucking space in the hundreds of trillions of stars.
Like that's all. That's just bullshit.
One of the two can't be both. Or it could be both I guess.
But. Well, I think it's important to
at least ask the question how they get that answer right.

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I would love to be able to hear somebody out that's at least
give them the soapbox and say, OK, how'd you get this?
Show me how you got it right. Convince me that this is real
and if they if they can show me like, hey, all right, you gave

(52:31):
me enough to where it's like, OK, maybe this is legit because
I'm I'm the same right on on theoutside looking in from the
surface, this looks like horseshit, right?
But who knows, there could be technology out there.
There's there's got to be there.I'm not going to say that

(52:52):
there's got to be, but there could be a variable that we're
not seeing. Sure.
That's that's all I've got to say, right?
For sure, I don't argue with that at all.
I mean, you know, I would just say, you know, when we talk
about things like AI and like, you know, is the future AI like
sending back stuff through time or like, is it, is that the UFOs

(53:15):
that we're seeing? Are they using these drones, if
you will, to collect information, whatever.
I don't know, man. Maybe it's just because I have
certain beliefs, if you will. I don't even know if that's the
right word. But like holographic universe is
a good example. And just because it's fresh in
my mind because I looked some stuff up earlier.
But you know, are you, are you familiar like with the

(53:38):
holographic principle and holographic universe?
I'm not completely. I have a book on it right over
here that I haven't read yet, but yeah.
The the I'll give you the quick synopsis of it, right?
Basically all information is or how do I phrase this?
The universe is more than likelyA2 dimensional plane and that

(54:04):
two think of a sheet of paper, right?
Or or a hologram. It's a 2 dimensional surface
that has all the information needed to project A3 dimensional
hologram OK and each you could take any little piece of that
hologram out and you can inspectit and it has all the

(54:25):
information for the entire hologram.
So when you start talking about like quantum physics and stuff
like that, right, when you get into like particle physics and
like they're, they're discovering the secrets of the
vastness of the universe by, youknow, doing experiments on
particles. And you're like, how the fuck
does that work? Well, because the part encodes
the whole, right. So to me, if AI in the future

(54:46):
gets to a point that it could dothese crazy, crazy things, it's
more than likely that it would create a simulation, It would
create a holographic universe. And everything within that is
actually a product of the AI, you, me, all the particles, all
the light, everything. And what we might be seeing if,

(55:08):
if the UFOs, well, not if, because if that's the case, then
everything is part of the AI simulation, including the UFOs
right? Now, why is that anomaly
happening? I don't know.
But that would be like my broadview of that, right?
Yes. AI is everything literally in

(55:30):
the holographic universe. It's just a simulation.
And if AI gets that advanced in the future, you know, if we, if
we do become like a type 2 civilization and we're
harnessing all of the power of the star right of our sun to
power our civilization, right? And, and we're using that amount
of energy to create AI and it's creating simulations with that

(55:52):
amount of power. Shit, bro, we might be living in
one of these holographic simulations, you know, And it
could be infinite numbers of them running it all at the same
time. And then you get into parallel
realities, alternate dimensions.All of that could kind of fit
into this if you really kind of wrap your mind around the

(56:16):
holographic principle. I think, I think every day that
goes by, I think that that there's a better chance that we
live in a simulation. Dude, the the smartest people in
the room. I've been saying this for like
20 years now, right? I've seen so many Ted talks and,

(56:39):
and stuff like that where these guys come out and they say like
the chances that we live in basereality are slim to none.
It's more than likely that we live in some form of a simulated
universe, right? And this is the smartest people
in the world that are saying this shit right now.
And it just leads me to think like, yeah, yeah, you're
starting to figure it out, guys.You're starting to figure it

(57:01):
out. Yeah, it's, it's, it's crazy how
small we are. And you start thinking about how
big things really are, and then you start thinking about stuff
on the quantum level and how physics change as you go down.

(57:30):
I wonder how physics changes as you go up, right?
Because it's got to change when you go up too.
Like we've had this discussion before as well.
What is the universe expanding into, Right.
We've had this this talk about The Big Bang.
And, you know, we've had variousconversations and we've looked

(57:52):
at it at it from various angles before and talked about various
ideas about whether or not that The Big Bang even happened or
it's even true conceptually and whether or not the universe is

(58:13):
actually expanding. We've talked about the Doppler
effect and redshift blue shift and, and everything.
And, you know, we've, we've talked about the expanding
universe and the contracting universe and we've, we've
dissected this pretty good, right?
But one thing we've we've kind of fallen short on, but we've

(58:34):
asked the question is if the universe is expanding, what is
it expanding into? And is it going to get to a
point where it can't expand anymore?
Like is it expanding in some sort of container?

(58:54):
Is it expanding against something else that also is
expanding? You know, is it is it a bubble?
Will it pop? Unfortunately, we could.
It's impossible if if you take the experts at their word, it's
impossible for us to ever know that answer because the rate of
expansion exceeds the speed of light, which I don't understand

(59:16):
how that fucking works. But anyways, I'll digress from
that. But I think that that's a clever
way for them to not have to answer the hard questions when
I. Don't.
I don't I don't think that's their answer.
I think. I think that the expansion is at
the speed of light, but because we've we can't see the expansion

(59:36):
horizon, we will never be able to see it.
We'll never be able to catch up to it because we can't ever
break the speed of light. Some version of that, right?
I don't know. Yeah, but you get what I'm
saying. Like, we'll never know.
Even if we build a, a, a light, a machine that can travel the
speed of light, we'll never get there in time.
So, you know, and again, I thinkthat that's a clever way for

(59:59):
them to kind of mask the flaws in their math where they can
just say, oh. Yeah, we just, we can't see any
further than 13.7 billion light years, man.
Unfortunately it's just that's it.
That's the, that's the boundary.And it's just like, that's
convenient, bro. Going back to the the forbidden

(01:00:20):
topic, fuck. That's going to be a good one,
man, because all it. Really is, bro.
And like, you know, yeah, peopleare like, what the fuck are you
guys talking about? We got something coming for you.
Don't worry, all right? Just hold, hold on to your
fucking britches. Coming coming in hot soon.

(01:00:42):
Shit, yeah. I don't know.
It's, it's, it's an interesting thought experiment at least,
right? I mean, and, and This is why
this is kind of one of the big things that leads me to the
spaces fake thing, right? Going back to that, it's just
like, man, there's just so many unanswered questions and there's
so many questions that we just won't ever answer.

(01:01:04):
And it's just like a real nice box they put us into, you know,
just a real nice little, cute little box.
Well. What else you got on your notes,
bud? That's it.

(01:01:29):
Aliens, hidden class, Fermi paradox and jellyfish UFO.
I, I mean, I don't know. I just, I really, I, I guess I,
I just never really thought about whether or not physics

(01:01:50):
changes once you get to the bigger side of things.
Like we and I, I wonder, I mean,like right now we theorize that
physics really does change at the quantum level, right?
Because of superposition and theobservation effect and a

(01:02:15):
multitude of other things. But I wonder if it also changes
on the other side of that spectrum.
I, I, I would say it probably does.
I mean, if you, the further you go down into the quantum, things
get more complicated, it seems, right?
It's probably the opposite. This is like one of the

(01:02:37):
universal laws, right? The, The, the duality of things,
right? If you're going down to quantum
and it's getting more complicated and that when you go
up, it must be getting simpler. You think so?
Yeah. Man, I don't know.

(01:02:58):
Or I wonder if it just gets morecomplicated from our point of
view, maybe, maybe it is more simpler from, you know, just a
general sense of things. But from our point of view, like
in our, I don't know. I don't know if you, if you look

(01:03:20):
at, at like the, the size of things as like a spectrum, our
point on the spectrum, you know,our point of view, you know,
we're used to this. That's why it's, you know, our
physics, our understanding of how the world works.

(01:03:42):
We understand it a little bit better, you know, but you know,
if we lived as quantum beings, something small that would under
that would make sense to us. Right.
And this whole world, that's a good thought experiment too, if
you are a quantum being, right? And you were used to that, those
physics, whatever, OK, you're used to that.

(01:04:04):
As you went up to our level, where we're at now, it's much
simpler than when we look down into the quantum.
Right. But what it but you would be
used to the quantum world, right?
You'd you would understand that you'd live it every day when you
when let's say you moved into a macro body, right, or micro body

(01:04:32):
from the quantum to the micro. It may be very foreign and it
may be of course, strange. Of course it definitely would.
I mean, like everything from my perspective, everything in the
universe follows like certain patterns, right?
Whether you're talking about quantum micro macro, right?

(01:04:55):
And I'll use like stock market as a quick example for this,
right? If you're anybody who's
listening to this, I'm sure somebody who's like a, a day
trader, for instance, when you're looking at like a chart,
like a day trading chart for a stock, OK, you're kind of, let's
just say you're in like the micro environment, OK, You are
honing in on something smaller and it's, it's more complicated.

(01:05:19):
There's a lot more things you have to constantly be aware of
in order to do these day trades and be on time and like blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah. As you start to look out at the
macro economics of things, at least for me, it seems more,
it's more complicated in the sense that there's more inputs
for the macro economy than for like a micro economy.

(01:05:42):
However, when you look at it from a macro view, it's much
easier to understand what's happening on that small day
trading chart, right? If I'm staring at the small day
trading chart, like I said, it'smoving.
There's a lot of lot of variables, any little thing,
blah, blah, blah. It's going up and down, up and
down, up and down. When you zoom out and look at
the macro of everything in the world markets, right?

(01:06:04):
You just have to look at a few things, you know, the the
world's liquidity, the money supply, you know, is there a
fucking war happening? You know, what is the policy
that the United States just it'sjust it's almost simplified as
you go up to the macro. So I think that once we get up
to a certain point in the macro,if we could look, if we could
step outside of the universe andlook at it right, as a full

(01:06:27):
macro thing, I think it's something probably as simple as
a holographic universe where every part encodes the
information for the whole, right?
And as you go deeper and deeper into it, things get more
complicated because you're not able to see the whole picture.
Does that make sense? You know, if you're looking at a

(01:06:51):
hologram on a table, you're looking at the hologram.
That's pretty cool, right? If you were in the hologram, you
would have you'd be like overwhelmed with the amount of
information that's inside each part, right?
Because again, the part encodes the whole.
So like, if you're in the part, you're going to be like, there's
a little much fucking for me. But if you look, if you take a
step back and look at it, it's just simplified.

(01:07:13):
So I wonder if, you know, it's something like that as you get
higher and this and and I could go a little woo on you here, a
little hippie on you here. You know, this is probably what
the what what people are talkingabout, what the ancients talked
about when you talk about thingslike lowering and raising your
vibration, right? Lowering your energy, right?

(01:07:35):
Or raising your energy. Or you could even put it in a
religious context, you know, if you're on, if you're on a low
vibrational field and you end upgoing to hell, OK, It's probably
pretty chaotic. It's hectic.
There's a lot of shit going on, a lot of moving parts down
there. It probably sucks.
But if you end up going to Valhalla, it's pretty fucking
simple, man. You're chilling at the table and
you're feasting with the gods, you know what I mean?

(01:07:58):
So it's, you know, you can kind of put this into a lot of
different things. I'm getting a little esoteric
and a little like philosophical with this.
But like somebody out there is like, yeah, that makes sense,
you know? Somebody.
It makes sense to me. So I know somebody else is
probably tracking with me right now.
The Moors probably tracking. Yeah, yeah, the Moore's got you.
The Moore's tracking. Yeah, I don't know, man.

(01:08:25):
I don't know. It's like, maybe I should just
stick with Bigfoot. The Moore says the Moore says
always he's always tracking and and I'm looking at the comments
for the first time since my little rant here and he's saying
exactly what I'm saying. The pattern in the macro is
clear. Stocks go up with the increase
in money supply. Like I said, just like the price

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of a candy bar, prices go up micro any company can go out of
biz and anyone can put a companyout of biz.
It's more complicated, right? So, and and you can you can
apply this. This is just the law of nature,
right? This is just the way it is for
everything. You ever seen this where they
have this, I, I forget what it'scalled, but it's like a, a

(01:09:09):
little table with like pegs all in it.
And in the bottom there's like abell curve and there's all these
little beads. And when they flip it over, all
the beads fall randomly. They just randomly fall through
the pegs, but they always fall into the bell curve and they
create a predictable pattern right out of order, out of chaos
and right. And, and when you get into like

(01:09:31):
esoteric shit and like, you know, secret societies, like
that's one of the big like foundational things that all of
them hold on to order out of chaos, you know what I mean?
So it's it's that's like a another representation of what
I'm talking about. Fancy.

(01:09:54):
Well, have you heard any? Any.
Any cool or strange answers to the Fermi Paradox?
No, no. I think I brought it up last

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week, but there's a fiction trilogy by a Chinese writer
called his name 6IN Yu. The the trilogy's most famous
book is the first book. It's called 3 Body problem.
The trilogy itself is called TheRemembrance of Earth's Past.

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It's since been made into a Netflix series.
And then there's a movie in China that's that's been made.
This the Netflix series is really rushed.
It's not as good as the the the trilogy of books.
There was a fourth book made by a a separate author that tried

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to tie it all together and it's really not that good.
But it ended up tying everythingtogether and it was OK how he
did it. I really wish I didn't read it,
to be honest with you. But the second book in the
series is called The Dark Forestand the Dark Forest. 6IN you the

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author titled the book after hisown theory to the answer in the
storyline for the Fermi paradox,which is the Dark Dark Forest

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answer. And the way that he answers the
Fermi paradox is that the universe is like a dark forest
full of hunters. OK, every species is in the Dark

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Forest, all represented by a hunter.
Each hunter is out in the Dark Forest fighting for their
survival. The best way to survive is to
stay hidden from the other hunters.

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The worst way to survive is to make yourself known.
To make your presence known, because every other hunter in
the Dark Forest will eliminate another hunter.
To ensure their own survival. Because no other hunter can

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trust another hunter. Yeah, I've heard this before.
I think you might have actually brought this up before.
Maybe, man. But that's just another that's
just like another representationof scarcity, right?
I don't really buy into that, tobe honest with you don't really

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buy into that too much. What I would say is it's
probably more so like, what is it?
What did Andy from the deep share call it like the enemy of
progress or something like that,right?
I think that progress is most likely the reason that we don't
come in contact with anything, right?
Like the idea that civilizationsjust advance to the point to the

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destroy themselves, right, or something like that, You know,
kind of tying in what we talked about with Lance, right?
He was talking about like the what term did he use?
Not the medicine men, Damn it. He he was talking about how like
the natives, they were way more in tune with like natural law

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and these types of things, right?
And because of that, they were the abilities that they had were
just, I'm not even going to say better than what we have.
It was just different, right andI think that because of
progress, we've eradicated all of that and now we're we're at
right now and if you track that out into the future because of
progress, you know eventually humans won't be humans anymore.

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We'll be transhuman, right? Because of AI and all these
other things, right? And if you keep going beyond
that, there probably won't even be that anymore, right?
So I think that the real, the real enemy, I guess, if you
will, of humanity is progress. And it's probably the same with
any other advanced civilization in the universe.

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They just progressed their way into oblivion.
So I have at some point will be doing an episode on the Fermi
paradox. There's a book, it's called The

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Universe is Teeming with Aliens,Where is Everybody?
75 Solutions to the Fermi Paradox and a Problem with
Extraterrestrial Life by Steven Webb.
And it is an absolutely phenomenal book.
It actually reads more like a textbook than anything.

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It's extremely dense. It took me about six months to
get through It's it's it's a very, very dense book, but there
is some really, really cool answers to the Fermi paradox.
I just I thought the the dark forest was an interesting one.

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It is because if you look at what humans do right, if if you
look at the dark forest theory that 6IN you applies to his book
series, he points out that humans are one of the only

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hunters in the dark forest that lights a fire.
We're that stupid, you know, we're, we're sending signals
out. We're, we're having nuclear war,
we're doing all this stupid shit, you know, we're sending

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radio signals and, and everything just Willy nilly,
just, you know, not really caring about what we're doing
and not trying to hide that we are here.
And yet we have the UFO. See, we're coming full circle.
We have these UFOs in our skies.Something potentially could have

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spotted us, could be observing us, could be watching us, could
be monitoring us observing couldbe from afar, could be from a
distance in time, not just space, right.

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So I think that the dark forest theory that 6 and you an author,
a fiction author who actually isa very brilliant guy.
If you ever get a chance, I highly recommend reading his
books. They're absolutely amazing,
very, very thick books. They're like 400 pages of piece,

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405 hundred pages of piece, very, very good.
I just I, I, I just find the parallels are are just mind
blowing. You know, it's just, it's very
interesting what we do. And then we look up in the skies

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and we get these reports of, of UF OS.
And then the first thing that wedo is we say these must be
extraterrestrial. They must be from Zeta Reticuli.
They must be from another star system.
They must be from outer space. But how does that explain, like

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ancient peoples having these experiences as well?
Because as far as we're told, I don't know if I believe it, but
as far as I'm told, you know, ancient, our ancestors, they
weren't beaming signals out intospace, right?
They weren't radioing out looking for others.
Not that we know of. Not that we know of.

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Not that we know of, but they very well could have.
Yeah, that's a whole other episode right there.
Just history of it all and, and stuff like that, you know?
But yeah, it's, it's interesting, man.
But, you know, maybe it's just because I don't like things that

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that are like scarcity related, you know?
And that is what that is, right?So I just don't, I don't like
that. It just kind of it bothers me,
right? It should bother you.
It does bother me. I'd much rather, I'd much rather
like to think that it's not the case.
You know, you know, even things like simulation theory and I

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know the more said something about it being like a form of
psychosis, and I understand that.
But it's somewhat more comforting than thinking that
like we're just sitting ducks waiting for a predator to come
get us, right. I mean, if the shoe fits, man.

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Could be. You know, it's, there's
potential there. You know, the, the scary thing
is, is that there is definitely potential there for, for that to
be the case. You know, and even I, I hate to

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say it, but you know, even even if, if we are in a simulation,
the potential for something likethat is still there.
Could be. I mean, I if if we're in a
simulation, then the potential for literally anything exists.

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For sure, that's the point of simulations, right?
To throw in random variables to see how the simulation reacts.
Yes, so and if we start getting into the the the conversation of
what is the creator of the simulation, then I think we get
back into the AI conversation and I don't think shit man, you

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start talking about what does base reality look like?
I don't think you can even. I don't think we can even fathom
what base reality looks like. No, and you know what's
interesting too is make me thinkof you ever watch Love Death and
Robots? Yep, I love that show.
You see. Well, I love half of that show.
Most of those, most of those episodes.

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Are stupid. Some of them suck, but some of
them are super interesting. You see the one where the, the
guy, his ship gets fucking stranded in that space station
hundreds of light years away from where he's supposed to be
seen. That one he like, runs into like
the blonde chick that he knew and like they're banging.
You know, she's like naked half the time.

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It's in the new season. Anyways, him and his crew, they
go into cryo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and they, they wake up andthe alarms are going off.
They're like, what the fuck happened, right?
And then the lady steps out and she's like, oh, you know, we
found your ship stranded. You're 1000 light years away
from your fucking course. And they're like, fuck, right?

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And then he's, he's banging thislady, right 'cause they knew
each other from the past and then and all this.
And then he starts to realize like something's not right.
And then he asks her to like, tell him the truth.
And she's like, Are you sure? And he's like, yeah, tell me the
truth. And what happens is he wakes up
from cryofreeze and he realizes that he's stuck in like, I don't

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even know what you want to call it.
Like a a fucking giant space spider web thing, right?
And it's like, you know, it's just like this creature that's
like controlling his mind while he's in cryo, right?
You know, but when he's in cryo,he's comfortable, you know what
I mean? And it's like, I wonder if
that's kind of something that's happening too sometimes, right?

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If there is a breakaway civilization, if there are
humans out there exploring the Galaxy, even if we are moving at
the speed of light out there, you know, maybe we are plugged
in to a simulation in our cryopods right now, just
experiencing life on the mythical planet we called Earth.
Our ancestors came from this planet we called Earth, and we

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have the simulation of Earth that we all just exist in for
10,000 years and we're constantly reincarnated inside
this simulation until we get to our destination.
Or perhaps the destination is Earth.

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Maybe, I don't know, It's a pretty good simulation.
There was something else, too. You ever heard or read the book
Who Built the Moon? No, but I think I have it in my
Amazon wishlist. The idea is that, I mean, and
there are ancient stories of a time before the moon existed,
right? Yeah.

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But the idea is that something at some point in the past built
the moon. It's an artificial object, and
it placed it into this perfect orbit around the Earth, right?
And if you look at the orbits ofall the other moons around all
the other bodies that we know of, our moon operates
differently than all of them. OK.
And there's a whole list of reasons why it's different.

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But, you know, did they put the moon here to terraform the
Earth, to make it habitable? Because that's one of the ways
that you could terraform a planet, put a moon around it,
put it in the perfect orbit, wait 20 million years or
whatever, however long it takes,and you know, the the tides and
all the things that happen. You could terraform a planet

(01:25:04):
that way. Are we on the mothership moon
plugged into a simulation preparing us to be dropped off
on the Earth? And we're running through the
simulation over and over and over again.
We nuke ourselves away, We AI ourselves away, we virus
manipulation ourselves away. Whatever the case is, we just

(01:25:25):
keep doing this until the simulation decides you guys
figured it out as a collective. Now it's OK to go and habit this
this planet that we've been terraforming for X eons.
Those are just some fun theoriesthat I think about sometimes.

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And. It could all be controlled by
AI, and it would be because no human being is going to stand
around on that ship for 20 million years waiting for this
to happen, right? They're going to put us all in
cryo, and the AI systems are just going to run the
simulations back, run the simulations back.

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I don't know, man, I don't know.We never will until we wake up
one day in the ship and we're like.
We pull. The what the fuck?
Bro, you know all right man. What do you think?

(01:26:33):
I think it's my bedtime. Yeah, I think it's your bedtime
too. I think it's your bedtime too.
All right, I ordered that book of.
Course you did. I did.
I'd be surprised if you didn't order a book.
I just ordered it. Which one who built the moon?
Who Built the Moon? By Christopher Knight and Allen
Butler. There you go.

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Also watch that video I sent in the in that little group chat we
have the Thunderbolts project. Symbols of an of an alien sky.
Watch that anybody listening. Super interesting stuff.
Might be bullshit, I don't know.Thunderbolts project symbols of
an alien sky. It'll blow your fucking mind.

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The Moore says Jeremy's like Cypher.
I don't know what Cypher is, just wants to stick.
What does that mean? Tell me what that means, Jeff.
What? Was Cypher.
Oh, from the matrix. Oh yeah, I'll get it.
You never seen the matrix? No.
Oh my. God.

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Bro we went over this already. Come on dude, can we have a
watch party? Can we just like do a thing
where like I make you sit down and watch some of these movies
one day? Terminator The Matrix.
We'll do it on the Patreon. Please, how do we do that
without getting copper? We got to look into that.
Patreon, ain't nobody like nobody's going to check the

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Patreon. We'll do it on the lowest tier,
charge people a dollar. Yeah, they're still going to.
The algorithms are still going to hit us somehow.
No they won't. No.
They won't. Well, there's some really good
stuff in there, even though it'slike fiction movies and science
fiction. Like there's just like little
Nuggets in those films that are like, you know, we talk about

(01:28:24):
them like every episode. That's why we're always bringing
up these references. And it's like, man, you got.
Yeah but I'm I can guarantee youpeople only listen to the show
to to talk shit about me not watching movies.
I don't read books. I bought a book.
That I mean, nobody's touched. Nobody gives a fuck about that.
Nobody cares. You're right. 90% of of the

(01:28:48):
population of this planet doesn't read.
Yeah, you're. I can read, right?
Let that be known. So but like it's, it's the other
way around. It's like 99% of the population,
99.9% of the population watches movies.

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I did just finish Fall the Houseof Usher because I thought it
was going to be like the Edgar Allan Poe book, but it's not.
But it was good. That's another good example of
the enemy of progression. Because of the progress, nobody
reads anymore. We just watched the films.

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Pretty soon we won't even be watching man made films, we
watching fucking AI films. I do have apparently I do have
the book for the Matrix but I haven't read it yet.
I am currently. I'm currently reading.
What am I reading? What is the fiction book I'm

(01:29:54):
reading? I can't remember what it's
called. It has to do with what are those
mushrooms that take over the bodies of bugs.
What the fuck are they called? You know what I'm talking.
About I know what you're talkingabout.
I just. But it's a so the I'm on the

(01:30:18):
second book, the first book, thefirst book is was a kind of like
a, like a parody of the Fall of the House of Usher.
And that's why I wanted to watchthis show.

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And the second book is just the sequel.
But yeah. Here's a good little nugget from
The Matrix. The The movie came out in 1999
and neo Keanu Reeves. There's a scene in the movie
where they show his his driver'slicense, his ID.

(01:31:02):
His birthday was 9/11, 2001. Really.
Yep. That's cool.
And the whole idea of the movie is that he's learning the truths
and waking up and unplugging from the Matrix.
And it's just interesting because if you, for most people,

(01:31:25):
conspiracy minded people who break out of the Matrix, if you
will, 9/11 is usually like the first thing or one of the first
things that wake you up, right? You, you, you become reborn
through that in a way. And it's interesting.
And that's just like 1 little piece I'll give you, you know,
because it's like stuff like that all through not just The

(01:31:48):
Matrix, but like I said, Terminator, you know, even in
Star Wars, right? Like Order 66, like there's just
so much in these films and probably in the books too.
I don't know. But it's definitely some shit
you got to watch sometime. This is this is a series I'm
reading right now. I'm on this one with feast at
night and then I'll read pictures.

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No, but this is this is like a aparody of his.
Passport. Excuse me?
Not his ID, his passport. Thank you.
What? The more he corrected me, it
wasn't his driver's license, it was his passport that showed
9/11/2001. Ah, yes, But yeah.

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So then after I'm done reading these, I'm going to read The
Light Runner from Allie Walker, and then I may read the the book
that's supposedly The Matrix. What's it called again?

(01:32:55):
The book I don't fucking know. What's the matrix book?
Skeeter? What's the matrix book?
I have it. I don't fucking know.
And you know the new matrix thatcame out, everybody hated it,
including me. Just it didn't, it didn't hit
the vibe right, but it was interesting because spoiler

(01:33:16):
alert, Keanu Reeves the entire time, he's just a video game
coder. She's a fucking video game and
he's like the architect. He's the coder for the game, for
the simulation. It's interesting, man.
It's all interesting shit. I don't know the Moore says.

(01:33:39):
I think it's called The Matrix. That's awesome.
Yeah, it's fucking hilarious. Dude got his ass.
Yeah, I don't I. Don't know, it's past my fucking
bedtime. Wrap this thing up bud.
Yeah. So it's past your bedtime.

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We've been working behind the scenes, getting getting
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And if you don't, we'll tell youthat this is it.
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