226. Chemtrails, Weather Mods, & The Importance of Questioning Everything

In this episode of the Infinite Rabbit Hole, hosts Jeremy and Jeff discuss a variety of conspiracy related topics including weather modification, chemtrails, and the implications of 5G technology. They reflect on previous episodes, share updates about upcoming events, and delve into the public perception of conspiracy theories in general. The conversation highlights the importance of questioning mainstream narratives and encourages listeners to explore these subjects further. Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole!

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Episode Transcript

(00:38):
Welcome back to the Infinite Rabbit hole.
I'm your host, Jeremy, and tonight we will be chatting
about things here on the Infinite Rabbit Hole like we
always do. Half a buddy.
Exciting. Yeah.
Last week we talked about transhumanism.

(00:58):
That that was pretty fun. I made the clips for that
episode today that that gets posted tomorrow.
That's going to be a a fun episode.
I know a lot of people are goingto reach out to me and tell me
I'm a weird conspiracy theorist now, but this is what it is.
Wear it like a badge of honor. Bro, I will.

(01:19):
That's what I do. I will.
I'll be like, yeah, my, my buddy's name is Jeff.
He's Jeff. And.
It used to be an insult to be a conspiracy theorist.
So many people would call me conspiracy theorists like they
were insulting me. And then 2020 happened and now
it's like it's, it's like trendyand cool to be a conspiracy

(01:42):
theorist. I I think what's really funny is
that when I started this podcast, I can't remember who it
was. It might have been you.
Somebody had said that. They said what's the difference?
Or they asked what's the difference between the truth and

(02:02):
a conspiracy? And I was like, I don't know.
They're like time. And that has proven to be true.
That's. Hilarious.
Yeah, it sounds like something I've said before.
I heard. You say that's, that's hilarious
because that's, that's been pretty much factual since I've
started this podcast. Not always.
You know, there's of course there's a lot of conspiracies

(02:26):
that have yet to come true, right?
And there's a lot of them that are just conspiracy theories and
it's just crazy shit, you know? But yeah, for the most part, for
like a lot of them, yeah, it's kind of crazy.
I mean, we've seen a lot of stuff come out as of lately.
Right. The Kennedy stuff, Kennedy shit,
the chemtrails, I mean. I mean just just what, 2 weeks

(02:52):
ago we had that that kid that came on from the the cloud
seating company for not not herefor the Sean Ryan show.
Yeah, SRS, yeah. Right.
And you know, I hate, I hate to bring it up because it's
literally current events right now, but the, the flooding in

(03:12):
Texas, he was literally down there cloud seating 2 days ago
and he's getting ripped on Twitter or X whatever you want
to call it right now. Literally dragged through the
mud right now because he was down there cloud seating for the
state of Texas in that area, in the exact area.

(03:33):
And he's getting blamed for all this shit right now.
I mean, it's, it's, that's not even a conspiracy theory in my
opinion, right? I, I've been a a long time Sayer
that weather modification and chemtrails are not a conspiracy
theory. It's a fact, right?
And it just takes 5 seconds and you can find the public

(03:55):
information on this stuff. You know, it's not new.
So when that dude went on SRS and I saw like the Internet blew
up was like, oh look, bro chemtrails real.
We told you. And it's like, bro, it was never
hidden. You just never went and looked,
you know? Well, it's, did you listen to
the episode at all? Yeah.

(04:16):
Well, OK, so he specifically talked about chemtrails and
contrails and chemtrails. He he refuted them, right?
He didn't. He specifically talked about
chemtrails in the definition that a lot of conspiracy
theorists will talk about and how he doesn't, he doesn't know
of the proof of those, right? He's not.
He didn't say that, that they don't exist, right?

(04:39):
He just doesn't know of the proof of them because the way
that he does it, he did talk about the silver iodide thing,
right? That does exist.
That's a real thing, that. That's a chemical.
That creates something for the moisture to freeze to.
It creates a physical object forthe moisture to freeze to in the
atmosphere, so it has something to to build to.

(05:02):
He even goes into the science ofhow it's easier to create snow
than it is to create rain. Yeah, the problem with the thing
like chemtrails is that what is the definition of chemtrail,
right? Like now that the, the Internet
and all the conspiracy nerds on the Internet have a trillion

(05:23):
theories of what chemicals they're spraying and what
they're used for, you know, whether it's mind control or
nanobots or, you know, all thesedifferent things, you know, but
the, the fact of the matter is chemicals have been sprayed out
of planes for decades to manipulate and control the

(05:45):
weather period. That is a chemtrail.
That is the original meaning of chemtrail.
And the, the 4 Chan's and the Reddits, they just took it off.
And you know, now chemtrails arecreating, you know, all kinds of
other shit according to these people, right.
And, and some of that might be true.
We won't know for a while, but, you know, chemicals being

(06:10):
sprayed out of plants to controland manipulate the weather is a
fact. It has been a fact.
It was never hidden from people.And so when that guy says, you
know, I don't know about chemtrails, and then in the same
breath says, you know, but we spray chemicals out of the
planes to manipulate the weather, it's like, yeah, you
dickhead, that's a chemtrail, you know?
Well, he specifically uses dronetechnology.

(06:33):
There's a lot of. There's a lot of methodologies
for weather manipulation, for spraying aerosols into the air.
There's ground based systems, there's planes.
They do it with with balloons. You see what I mean?
So this is a semantic argument where you can say chemtrails
don't exist, but clearly they do.
Either way, we'll jump back intothat room here in a minute.

(06:56):
Let's get the front matter out of the way.
Let's talk about the the palate change, right?
So I made an announcement yesterday on the Facebook that
we are officially I mean, it's been it's been a thing for a
long time actually for the wholeyear that we will be making our

(07:21):
return to UFO days in Elmwood, WI the last full weekend in July
of this year. The let's see, I want to say
it's the, of course, here we go,25th, 26th and 27th, the 26th.
This Saturday, starting at 9:30,AMI will be given the

(07:44):
presentation in the auditorium, the same place as it was last
year, minus my help from last year, minus Jeffrey right here
because he's lame and he doesn'twant to go and help me this
year. You look at him, he's all sassy
about it. Look at them all sassy look
giving them sassy eyes. Jeff, give them the sassy eyes.

(08:06):
Yeah, sure. I just don't want to fly up
there again. He's scared.
Yeah, I don't like flying. Look how scared he is.
So at 9:30 I'll be giving the presentation, doing the story
and the history of Elmwood and UFOs to the Elmwood UFO Days,
which is going to be a lot of fun.
I've been writing a book on Elmwood for the past year and

(08:28):
I've got a lot more information,so I hope to see everybody
there. If you're in the area, please
stop by. We'll have a booth all three
days, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
I will also be doing the tours on the bus this year.
That's new for me. Kind of nervous about that, but
it's not like I'm not familiar with it.

(08:50):
I just haven't done that before,but looking forward to it.
With that being said, we came upwith a brand new logo this year
for our UFO Days stuff, and thisis kind of going to be the thing
for every year UFO Days. We turned the Jackalope green
for the little green men. Pretty cool, right?

(09:12):
Come on, Jeff, how cute is that?Cute.
It's pretty cool. Yeah.
No, come on man, Say cute. Say it's cute.
It's cute. You're cute.
It's cute. Isn't it?
And then we did the the blue portal, right the the infinite
symbol. Now, if anybody's familiar with
the story of Elmwood and George Wheeler, George Wheeler got

(09:34):
buzzed by a blue light and was found unconscious.
That ties into the the blue infinite symbol.
Blue is a a big thing when it comes to the story of Elmwood.
So I tied it in easy as that andwe got a cool midnight.
Blue is what we call the, the color of the T-shirt, or that's

(09:57):
the, the, the name of the T-shirt color.
Yeah. But got one more surprise for
you. I showed everybody within the
the IRH family, if you will, yesterday we have a special
T-shirt that's going to be making its debut at UFO Days and
that is a black tie dye shirt. Check that out.

(10:19):
My wife slaved over this, slavedover it.
Everybody slaved. She's slaved.
She was sweating, and she was soclose to dehydration.
And I was like, drink water. And she's like, no, I have to
make it for the people. And I was like, you really care?
And she's like, I do. And she did it.

(10:40):
Look at that. How cool is that?
How cool is that? Oh, yeah, Katie doing cool
stuff. It's cute.
Isn't it cute? And just like this T-shirt.
It's got the UFO Days 2025 logo that we created.
This isn't the official logo of the festival.

(11:02):
It's just the the infinite rabbit hole version of it on the
sleeve. And we're we're also going to
have stickers there too. But if you if you come by the
booth, just like last year, we have the standard infinite
rabbit hole sticker, as you can see on my my Yeti cup here, this

(11:25):
one right here in the our standard colors.
If you stop by the booth, we'll give you a stack of those.
And the kids, we have temporary tattoos for them.
So stop by, say hello. We'll have a pretty much full
group of new faces for you guys to meet.

(11:45):
No Jeff, no Jake. This year we'll have Kenzar.
Skeeter will be around. I have my wife Katie.
Her friend Caitlin will be there.
She was also a guest on the showat one point during the Beast of
Bright Rd. series that we did. So yeah, please stop by the

(12:07):
booth and say hello and let us know what you think of the show
and enjoy yourselves. Get yourself a UFO burger and
get assaulted by cheese at the parade like Jeff and I had the
chance to get assaulted last year.
Yeah. That's the real reason I'm not

(12:28):
going. I don't want to get beaten up by
a block of cheese again. He loved it because he said it
was delicious. The cheese curds were not that
good. I was not impressed with the
cheese curds. We you we didn't get you cooked
once, did we? No, but they threw some at me
and I tried them and they weren't that good.
Now the cheese sticks. Phenomenal, phenomenal cheese

(12:52):
sticks. Cheese curds.
OK, we need to get him some deepfried cheese curds.
Next time he's here, we'll go toMilwaukee Burger.
Just mail it with the box of allmy merch like 8 months after the
fact like you guys did last year.
I think I got all my UFO day shit in like February.
Actually, he's he's not wrong. That's that's that's pretty

(13:14):
accurate. That's pretty accurate.
Do. You like this poster?
That's behind me. Wait, my UFO Day shirt from.
Last year, her UFO Day shirt. Yep, They're going to be getting
one of these. Yeah, I, I got some of these in
a box for you. I'm just waiting for February to
send it out. Sick, sick dude.

(13:35):
Oh yeah bro. Shit.
By then they'll have teleportation down.
You can just teleport it to me. Yeah, with a quantum technology,
what he's waiting for, yeah. But yeah.
So that's it. If you guys are in the area,
Elmwood, Wisconsin, stop by lastfull weekend of July.
Looking forward to it. I loved it.
Loved it last year. It was a lot of fun.

(13:58):
It was fun. Yeah.
That's pretty much it. Oh, last thing, I did have
somebody request that. OK, somebody said I don't, I
don't promote the Patreon other than just mentioning that I have
a Patreon. So that's true.

(14:19):
I don't. And I also have announcements
because we have two, two patronsright now.
I would like to say thank you toKenzar and Skeeter.
Both of them are team members ofthe Infinite Rabbit Hole, but
they are our first two patrons since they've since it's been

(14:40):
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For $1.00 a month, you can subscribe to the Jackalope tier.

(15:00):
No, this is the best way that you can support the podcast as
I've been asked multiple times what they what you can do to
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(15:22):
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(15:44):
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(16:06):
Hole. For $3 a month you can also get
This is the Reticulum tear by the way, a monthly full size 30
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(16:27):
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Prophetic Manga and in three days on when on Wednesday July
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local Bigfoot legend from Louisiana, MO.

(16:54):
Actually a pretty awesome one where the local Bigfoot legend
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Literally the exact same thing that you guys used to get all
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Just pump something out once a aweek for you guys.

(17:18):
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(17:41):
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(18:03):
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(18:25):
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(18:45):
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(19:10):
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(19:35):
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Tatsuki. I was going to do a a whole
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But instead I flip-flopped it with Patreon stuff and now

(20:22):
Archives has been moved to now adoing.
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So there was a lot that went into that topic.
I did a ton of research into it,ton of research into the

(20:42):
National Geo Geological surveys,lot of lot of science, lot of
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Momo the bat, the behind the scenes episode for that
obviously hasn't been released yet because the actual episode

(21:02):
hasn't been released. But that one goes 25 minutes
long and the Momo episode itselfis an hour and 10 minutes long.
So those two episodes will release 2 weeks apart so that
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spread out so you can enjoy them, you know, spread apart.

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That's pretty much it. I don't really know how else to
advertise that for you guys. Like I said, I had somebody ask
me why I don't advertise that onthe show, but that's pretty much
it. I feel stupid doing it.
And that's. Yeah.
Don't worry, I'm going to help him out.

(21:50):
I'm going to make him a little thing.
We're going to put it in the episodes so he doesn't have to
do this every time. I will make it easy for.
You I really don't want to do itevery time, man.
I really don't want to throw it out there this one time and
hopefully just people listen to this one episode and that's
that's it. So there you go.
You can send me money directly. I mean, you can still send me

(22:14):
money directly. I you could just buy me books,
right? I got a whole wish list with I
think 715 books on the Amazon right now that I.
Accept I gotta buy. You can just send me Bitcoin.
We'll we'll accept Bitcoin. Well, let's get back into the
conversation. So we were talking about weather

(22:34):
modifications. We were indeed talking about
weather modification. Can you do me a quick favor?
Yeah. Can you share your screen?
Can I guide you to a spot and just let the travelers see this
real quick? It'll take 2 seconds.
Sure, where? Where do you want me to go?
Go to Google and share your screen and I'll I'm going to
walk everybody right to the thing that's never been hidden

(22:57):
from the public. And we could just put this whole
like it's a conspiracy to fucking bed.
All right, just. Want to go to Google?
Yeah, just go to Google and I'lland I'll show you what to do.
All right, I got you. Let me share the screen.
I got you. I got.
You all right? Next time, next time you guys
are whoever's listening, actually, you're talking to
somebody and you mentioned chemtrails are like, that's a

(23:17):
bullshit conspiracy. You just do this.
OK, So go and I want you to typenoaa.gov, noaa.gov weather
modification reports. It's right there.

(23:38):
It's the third. It's the third one.
Shaboozy. Now click on the link.
Should be Noah Library. I can't really see it from here.
library.noah.gov Shablammo, Scroll down.

(24:00):
There should be a weather modification reports.
I think you have to Scroll down further.
I think it's down, down, down, down, down.
I think it's like at the bottom.Oh, go up, Crystal said.
Go up a little more, a little more.
How do? I file these.

(24:20):
I don't know initial report on weather.
Modification activities, interimactivity reports and final.
Reports. God damn I can't see bro let.
Me see does this help up and? It does, and it doesn't go up to
the top. Weather modification project

(24:55):
reports. OK, Scroll down.
Scroll down. OK, well, first that first
hyperlink, what is weather modification?
Mind you, people, this is the government's website,
thisisnoah.gov. Click on that.
This right here. Yeah, I got a oh, I'll probably

(25:17):
open up another thing. There you go.
All right, so this right here tells you exactly.
We don't have to read it all, but basically, this is the the
law. There's a law in place that when
the government uses your tax dollars to do weather
modification, using aerosols, spraying chemicals into the sky
to modify the weather, they haveto report them to Noah.

(25:40):
And Noah makes that information public by law.
So somewhere on here, I'd have to like be doing it.
Trying to guide Jeremy, who's computer illiterate, to do this
is going to be a little bit moredifficult than I expected, but.
Yeah. In here is all of the reports.
There's literal handwritten documents for every single time
the government does this. OK?

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And it tells you where, when, what chemicals, what planes,
what the results were, what the,you know, what they were trying
to do, increase rainfall, increase snow, whatever the case
might be. It's all listed here on this
website, OK. And you can download each one.
I've literally done this 100 times on here.
So that right there, like anybody who's like controls are

(26:23):
fake, bro, Done. You're done.
You're done. You're done, you're done.
I'll have to find the exact pageI can.
If you talk for a second, I'll find it and I'll just send it to
you because. Well, all right, so if you're
looking at this, this apparentlyis part nine O 8.

(26:44):
This is telling you all about the chemtrails and how to report
them. And I'm talking so that Jeff can
look at stuff on his phone for you because he likes to do
things for you. Oh, go back to that first page

(27:04):
that we were on all. Right.
I'm going to go back go back to the first page for you and.
Scroll down to the very bottom. I'm going to go down to the very
bottom. There you go, right there.
Those are the reports. Pick, just pick one.
Just pick one and notice that there's like 100 pages.
So if you go to the bottom again, you'll see that there's
like 100 pages. Mm hmm. 110 pages, right?

(27:29):
So literally click on any one ofthose little blue links.
Bless you. Why are they not?
What do you look Rainfall enhancement?
There you go. Click on that.

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On the blue, let's click that. Bismarck.
If it opened in a new window, wecan't see it.
Oh yeah, you're right. And then look at that.
Oh wow. The report, the information
where it'll in, in that report, it'll tell you what plane they

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used or whatever aerosol device they used.
It'll tell you who is in charge.It even gives you phone numbers.
Bro go to that top page in the document.
Now I want to see this right here, Right here.
What is this? Spraying dry ice.

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Read it aloud for the class bro.Well, I'm going to find out what
it is and then I'll say what it is for the class silver iodide
specific ratio of iodine to chlorine .8 to .2 combined with

(29:02):
sodium chloride. Oops.
Yeah, we should definitely be spraying that.
Oops. So again, for the people
listening noaa.gov weather modification reports, go to the
bottom 110 pages of reports, click them, read through them.

(29:24):
You know, literally any, anyone,go to the top page, keep going,
keep going. That document right there, they
didn't even fill it out or did they fill it out?
Phone. Number, phone number, you could
call and ask questions. They got names on there.
This is all public information. Now, here's the key.
Here's the kicker, OK, the law that we looked at a minute ago

(29:45):
only dictates that the government using your tax
dollars to do these programs hasto be reported on NOAA, private
corporations. So NASA, you know, Boeing north
of Grundman, all any private, the guy that was on Sean Ryan's
show, they don't have to report them and and it doesn't have to

(30:07):
be publicly known. So all the private shit is, you
know, that's a little harder to find.
But as far as what the government is doing, bam, there
you go. If you happen to be listening on
Spotify or or Apple or whatever you're listening to podcast on,

(30:30):
you should probably be watching.I know that Spotify has video.
You can. You can watch this on Spotify
now. You should probably find a
platform where you can watch this episode on and watch.
They even got little planes on the diagram there on the map.
Did you see that? Yeah, little little planes

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there. And they even use the word
seating, right? Weather Modification LLC OK,
listen, you guys want to hear a fun story?
One time back when I used to useTikTok, I was live on TikTok,
OK? And I don't remember how many
people were in the live. A lot like a couple thousand

(31:12):
people were in the live watchingme rant about this.
And some some nerd got on there and he was like, you're crazy.
I'm a meteorologist, you don't know what you're talking about,
blah, blah, blah. So I invited him to the live.
Now him and I are live together and he's, you know, berating me
in front of thousands of people telling me that I'm a dumb,
dumb. And I was like, bro, do you have

(31:33):
a computer? And he's like, yeah, I go to
computer and he's all confident.And I brought him here and I
showed him this, not this particular report, but just the
110 pages of reports, OK? And I was like, pick one, bro,
Anyone. And he did and he picked it
silence for about two minutes. And he was like, I can't believe
I didn't know about this. OK.

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And he was a meteorologist According to him, right?
So it's just a fun story for youguys.
Oh, and that live got naked in my account, got banned,
permanently banned off TikTok. So that happened.
APA 34 from almost every single site known to ban at this.

(32:18):
Point Yeah, I've been banned from every platform.
It's fine. It's a badge of honor.
I appreciate being banned because that usually means that
I'm right. That's the same agent they were
using in in the other one. What is this one they're trying?
To. Do Yeah, the top page tells you

(32:38):
exactly what it is. Hail mitigation or something?
Hail damage mitigation? Yeah, rainfall increase in hail
damage mitigation. Shabam, somebody call the phone
number and ask questions. It's the same, just just weather
modification LLC. There you go.

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And there's different ones. You know, you're going to find
some of the same ones, some of the same corporations doing this
shit or whatever. But you know, you flip through,
you know, all 110 pages and eachpage has, I don't know, 10/15/20
reports on it. So there's, there's hundreds of
them. You'll find all different stuff,
man. You'll find different chemicals,

(33:20):
different locations, different results, all this stuff.
So yeah, chemtrails are 100% real now.
Are they like, spraying nanobotsto, you know, do mind control
shit? I don't know.
I don't know, maybe some privatecorporations doing something
like that, who knows? But they're definitely,

(33:41):
definitely, definitely manipulating weather.
And here's the key about this, man.
You know, there's this big push and there has been for like the
last 10 years about climate change, OK.
And you know, climate change bad, you know humans bad for
causing climate change. You know you, you're the problem
because you eat meat or you drive a truck, right?
Like, you know, all that type ofstuff.

(34:03):
OK, bullshit dude. Human made climate change is
real, but it's not the way that they frame it.
It's because of this type of stuff, because the government
and private corporations are outthere actively manipulating the
weather. Now, people will say weather and
climate are two different things, sure.

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But if you're doing this on a global scale, because it's not
just the United States doing this and it's not just United
States corporations doing this, it's everywhere in the world.
When you do that all over the place.
For how long? They've been doing weather mod
for like over 100 years. OK, That will slowly start to
change the climate. It's the problem, reaction,

(34:47):
solution. They're creating the problem of
climate change. Waiting for our reaction.
Oh no, climate change bad. We have 12 years to to we're all
dead, blah blah blah. Offer the solution, which is
more totalitarianism, more control, right?
Less freedoms. That's it.
The High Galien dilectic right in your face, bro.

(35:07):
It's, it's, it's tough, man, because.
How are, how are you supposed tofight this shit?
Right? Because let me, let me give you

(35:30):
a brief history on my history, right.
So growing up in Connecticut, I was born in Connecticut and
growing up, I grew up in a family that that didn't give a
flying shit about politics at all, right?

(35:50):
Or science or the environment. They just kind of lived their
lives. My dad was blue collar, my
mother was my mother. My parents were separated and
they each lived their own lives.At some point I moved down to
Florida with my dad and I moved in with my aunt and my uncle and

(36:11):
they were as blue as blue gets. They, they push science, they
push hard work in school, they push the environment.
My, my uncle was a turtle biologist.
That's where I got my love of science and math and everything.
And that's how I got into all ofthis, you know, into physics and

(36:38):
all, all that world, man. That's, that's where it all came
from. I voted for Barack Obama during
the the first time that he wouldhe was up for election and I
really got into the blue side ofthings, right.
Peace, love, all that stuff. Hippie side of things.

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I'm not really, I'm not going togo into my political thoughts
now. All I can say is that the way I
look at the world politically iscompletely different than how I
used to. But when you look at the world
now, right, and you look at the,the views of what people will
call a conspiracy theorist, how,how do you look at them and say

(37:32):
that they're all crazy and wrongand stupid when everything that
they say ends up turning out to be right?
It's a what's the word for it, man?
There's a term for it. I can't think of the term, but
it's it's manipulating the perception, right?
So I'll give you a good example.Well, shit.

(37:59):
I mean, this is a perfect example, right?
Like chemtrails or weather modification, you know, using
the term conspiracy theorist. It has like a certain
connotation to it. OK, just as soon as you label
somebody with that, 50% of the population automatically won't
listen to that person at all, right?

(38:23):
The the the NPC's of the world will automatically be like, oh,
he's a conspiracy theorist, right?
And it's super effective, man. It's like a Pokémon move, bro.
You know, government used conspiracy theorist, it was
super effective, right? Like that's what it is.
It's just a distraction to to make you not pay attention to

(38:45):
what that is. It's, it's incredible, right,
Because I, I, I don't talk aboutpolitics on the show.
I've, I've, I've made it a, a staple, a statement to not do
the politics thing on the show, because that's kind of how I, I
reflect in my life, right, Is I'm not a political guy.

(39:07):
I don't like politics. I, I just, I hate it, right?
You know, I, I have my own political views.
I see myself as a person who does not draw lines, right?
I don't do that. I look at each and every
individual issue as its own thing.

(39:28):
And I don't, I do not look at every single thing as an
umbrella situation, right? I don't look at the entire world
as a red problem or a blue problem.
I look at every single problem as as an individual case, right?
So I I could go one way or the other, or I can go completely

(39:53):
different than both sides view the outcome and on the honestly
that's the case for most of it. I'm the same way with you, but
to be honest with you this didn't happen until So what
you're talking about man. Unfortunately in the height of
COVID conspiracy theorists got lumped in with far right

(40:16):
extremists right? And that was a psyop.
So prior to 2020 being a conspiracy theorist you were not
labeled red or blue. It just wasn't a thing.
OK, there were certain niche conspiracies that you could, you
know, you could label somebody that way, but as a whole, like
if you were just hit with the term, the SIOP term of

(40:38):
conspiracy theorist prior to 2020, you were not thrown in one
of those categories. Well, that's not agreed, right?
But realistically, back in the 70's, the conspiracy theorist,
right before the term was even really put out there by

(40:59):
definition was the hippies. The government exact.
The government's out to get you,man, right?
Correct. And that was by all means, that
was the blue side of things. It was, but it, it wasn't as
politicized, nowhere near as politicized, right?
It maybe it was like 10% politicized, right, because

(41:21):
there was a lot of conspiracies that went both ways, right?
So, you know, you weren't just automatically lumped into a
category, but during COVID specifically because of the
shots, right? And and it, there's two things
that happened. Actually, it wasn't just COVID.
It was, it was also Trump, right?
Trump was an another reason for this.

(41:42):
And and I'm just the same as you, You know, I'm not
necessarily political one way orthe other.
You know, I have my views on things, but like, I'm not like a
Trumper, right? And I'm not a never Trumper
either, right? I'm just a realist and I look at
things for what they are, right?But because, and I'm going to
use the term the deep state. And that's another one that gets

(42:04):
you thrown into the into a category, right?
The lizard people, they they didn't want this dude to be in
charge so bad that they were willing to, you know, create
this narrative. Now, if you, if you questioned
the narrative, what whatever it was, the shots or anything, OK,
you were automatically thrown into that category.

(42:27):
And, and because of Trump and COVID, those two things combined
created the situation where now if you're labeled A conspiracy
theorist, you're automatically afar right extremist.
Period, end of story, right? And and it's sad.
And that was the hardest thing to overcome in the 20 years or
more 25 years that I've been a conspiracy theorist.

(42:49):
OK, that was the hardest thing to overcome.
Not the ostracism, right? Not the people laughing at you
and and having to try to convince people of stuff all the
time. That wasn't the hard part.
The hard part, and still to thisday is calling myself a
conspiracy theorist and not being lumped into the right wing

(43:11):
right. And it was a perfect storm for
that psyop to happen right? And that's where we're at right
now. So in that and even your even
you right now in this episode are saying you're you're saying
the thing. I don't want to be political.
I don't want to make it political.
The show's not political. Well, conspiracies aren't

(43:31):
political, bro. Like weather modification is not
political, right. The dangers from 5G or whatnot
is not political right. The the poisons in the food.
It's a human safety concern. Thank you.
Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a humanissue.
It's it. It's a public safety issue.

(43:52):
You even you're throwing in the disclaimer.
I'm not blaming you or saying that you're the problem.
But because it's been, it's beenpoliticized, right?
They've made it a politic tool. It's a weapon now, right?
But going back to where, like, the reason why I brought up my
whole back story, right, is because I was, I was one of

(44:17):
those people, right, that lookedat conspiracy theorists as weird
people. You know, I, I mean, dude, I, I
went to fucking college because I, I was going to go for
astronomy, you know, I, I, I then I went to for physics, you
know, I, I changed majors a couple times and then I got

(44:38):
kicked out because I partied toohard.
And and then in Panama City, FL,one year, you know, and it's the
real question is how many times do you have to be wrong when you
call somebody a conspiracy theorist?

(45:04):
Before you realize the earth is flat.
No, no, no. But.
Before, before you have to stop and think to yourself, like,
like, should I stop and maybe belike, maybe I'm the stupid one,
you know, because the I've reached that point in my life,

(45:27):
right? There was a point in my life
where I was like, OK, you know, there, maybe I should stop.
And honestly, you know, I've, I've, I've had this long
conversation with my wife before, right?
I've had this where my my biggest growth in my life, and

(45:51):
honestly it it came in my 30s was when I realize when I'm
wrong, when you realize when you're wrong, stop and be like,
Hey, I was fucking wrong about that.
Let me let me take this and turnit into a a learning
opportunity. Grow from it, right, and become

(46:15):
better from this. And don't be wrong again.
Fool me once, right? We've all we've all heard that.
But how many times do people have to have to take that saying
and say, all right, fool me 27 times, you know, shame on me for

(46:37):
for the 27th time, right? But you're still a conspiracy
theorist because you're crazy. Yep.
You know you should get the jab buddy.
Yep. Jab, jab, jab.
And look, man, you know, I know I talk about weather
modification all the time, but there's a reason for that

(46:57):
because it's one of the biggest conspiracy theories.
But, and I, as I just showed everybody here a few minutes
ago, it's not even like it's noteven hidden.
It's not, they don't even hide it at all.
Like it's purely a public and like you could just go find this
in the public information right now.
We could go deep and be like, hey, it's just information given

(47:19):
us to the government. Maybe it's a psyop.
It could be, I don't know. All right, we can go down that
rabbit hole. But you know, that's why I
always hold on to this one so tight because it's so easily
provable. You know, remember when I did
the first weather modification episode, what, 3-4 years ago on
here, right? And I remember specifically

(47:40):
before doing it, and the reason I did that episode was because
you and Jake, and I think CJ at the time as well.
No, CJ was, CJ wasn't here anymore.
You and Jake were like pretty adamant on like, no, I don't
know. Like you weren't saying it
wasn't real, but you guys were. You had reservations.
You were like, I don't know. I don't know.

(48:00):
I don't know, right? And I had to do the whole thing.
And then by the end of it, you guys were like, well, maybe Ro,
maybe right. And then now look, now look
where we are a few years later, right?
I don't think there's any doubt in your mind that there's
spraying chemicals in the sky, right?
What all the reasons for we could debate and theorize all
day, but the fact of the matter that they are doing it, you

(48:23):
know, so that's why I use this one because it's it's right
there, man, It's easy. Yeah.
I mean, they're, they're, they're spraying something,
that's for sure, right. I mean, yeah, I don't know, man.
It's it's. Crazy.
Going back to last week when I said, you know, nobody out there

(48:45):
is doing studies on what those effects are as a whole on the
human body, right? There might be a study, a follow
up study. So they'll spray a chemtrail,
right? And they'll spray silver iodide
mixed with chlorine and sodium. What it was, it's sodium
carbonate or whatever, whatever they're doing.
OK. And they'll do a follow up study

(49:09):
on that particular study, right or or experiment and they'll
say, yeah, there was no harmful effects.
OK, carry on. But they're what they're not
doing is doing a full like macrostudy of what the effects of
that were, plus the thousands ofother things that are happening

(49:31):
at the same time, right. And, and I truly believe that
the lizard people, they right, they're, they're doing this on
purpose, right? They'll, they, what's the word?
Like obfuscate the results of studies and the baselines for
studies to create this weird narrative.

(49:52):
Like, no, it's all good, bro. Like it's all good, bro.
Like, don't worry about it. You know, we, we, we checked it
out. It's fine.
Hey do me a favor, read through the comments real quick.
I got to get a water dude, I'm thirsty.
Yeah, I'll read through some comments.
I saw a few that were in here. Let me go back up.
I'm going to scroll up here a little bit.

(50:17):
Infinite jackalope. Pretty cool shirt.
Yeah, it is. Yeah.
Before that conspiracy theorist was anti government.
Yep. Then we got Trump.
I don't know if you said that when I said that or beforehand.
The more, but we're we're on thesame wavelength here, right?
We're tracking together. A lot of people ask when I get

(50:38):
into these topics, oh, you're a Trump man.
Never got a question about a president before him.
Yeah, that's a big part of the SIOP, right?
And this is one of the big reasons why I'm not, like,
political. This is one reason why I'm not
like a gung ho Trump guy, right?Because of that, because I think
that that's part of the PSYOP. I think he's just another player

(50:59):
in the world theater. He's just another character in
the world stage, right? So it's all part of the PSYOP.
That's just the way it is. Ego deaths.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. First seen The Matrix.
Trinity defies gravity. Neo enters the jump program to
defy gravity. That's interesting.

(51:24):
He doesn't know about The Matrix.
Yeah. Yeah.
We got to keep using these references.
Make him feel left out. Yep.
Jeremy, we're going to keep shaming you until you watch The
Matrix. Yeah, do it.
You got to watch the and the Terminator, Skeeter says.
You got to watch the Matrix and the Terminator.
You do because there's so many little things in there.
You'd be like, I'll watch. The first Back to the Future
today. It's not good enough I.

(51:45):
Watched it while doing somethingelse while working on the
podcast. Hurricane eyes or CGI, because
they have to be. I believe that hurricanes are
vertical storms, very tall clouds, no circling.
I'd have to we, we could probably have a conversation

(52:05):
about that. I'd be interested in hearing
your what you mean by that. You know, there was something
else here I saw a second ago. I want to I want to put out why
you're looking probably going towe'll pick back up on the guests
after UFO days. So the month of July might be

(52:28):
slow on the guests until August.We may, we may start a fairly
big thing halfway through July, depending on depending on how

(52:48):
something works out that Jeff and I are are working on behind
the scenes. Not sure how that how that's
going to go yet. But if you're, if you're
wondering why we haven't had guests yet, it's just I've, I've
been or probably haven't had guests lately, it's just because

(53:10):
I have been working full steam on UFO days trying to get
everything together for that. And I've just been chugging
along on that. So I haven't had a chance to
really reach out, do the get theconnections going with, with

(53:31):
people doing what I normally have to do, you know, shake
hands, kiss babies and stuff. But I will get back on the grind
as soon as UFO days is over. For the time being, though,
you're just going to hear Jeff and I talk about crazy stuff.
That's that. Unless somebody, unless somebody

(53:53):
reaches out to me. Skeeter said.
Something in here about them ceding the hurricane.
Yeah, it was 1940. We're still.
Working working it the more. 1947 I think it was Project
Cirrus. I might be wrong about the year

(54:14):
so don't quote me on the year but it was definitely in the
40s. I think it was 1947 project
series. There was a hurricane off the
coast of Jacksonville, FL. They tried to seed it with dry
ice to manipulate the hurricane.I think they were trying to
weaken the hurricane. If I'm if I'm not mistaken, when
they flew that plane in the inner eye wall and they dropped
this dry ice and it wasn't even that much, if I remember, it was

(54:36):
like 50 lbs of dry ice or something, OK, They dropped in
this eyewall, this hurricane. The hurricane decided to make an
abrupt W left turn, OK, and slammed into the Carolinas and
it caused a whole bunch of damage.
It was a whole thing. Then here's the tricky part.
Here's where they get you. The follow up studies claim that

(55:00):
the seeding had nothing to do with that and that the the
course correction for the hurricane was just a natural
thing that was going to happen anyways.
And then when they did follow upexperiments seeding other things
like silver iodide into hurricanes, the follow up right
studies said, oh, it was ineffective and they just

(55:23):
stopped doing it, quote UN quote.
Well, they never stopped doing it, right?
That was, I think I'm pretty sure, and there's no way to
prove this. It's just my assumption that
that's their way of kind of tucking it under the rug.
Like, oops, we, we, we dumped 50lbs of dry ice in this hurricane
and it slammed into the Carolinas.

(55:43):
It actually killed some people, I think, caused all kinds of
damage. It did.
But they can't say that, right? They have to come out after and
be like, no, no, no, no, no, no,no.
Like our experiments had nothingto do with that.
It's just, you know, we're not capable.
Hurricanes are too powerful. There's too much energy in
hurricanes. We don't have the ability to
manipulate them. Like bullshit.

(56:04):
Dude, you know you just covered your ass is what you did.
Yeah. You just covered your ass, of
course. No.
Yeah, exactly. Nobody wants to go to prison,
you know, but and here's the thing, man, there's a lot of
things that are like this that are like the weather
modification. I'm still trying to get Jeremy

(56:25):
on board with the millimeter waves.
The 5G thing that was a little harder to, I don't want to use
the word convince people becauseto be honest with you, I'm not
here to try to convince people of anything other than that They
need to open their eyes and think for themselves and
question everything, right? Like I'm not here trying to like
give you like, here's what's going on and like, here's the

(56:46):
facts of the mat, you know, likethere are facts that I can show
you. But the conclusion like that's
up to you, man, right? But the 5G thing is another big
one. There has been thousands of
studies showing that the technology in 5G is harmful.
Here's not just to humans, but to plants, to animals, right?

(57:08):
So. Here's the thing.
I, I, I did a little bit of research into this.
Actually I did a little bit of research into this the day after
the last recording, just laying in bed trying to fall asleep
because it was bothering me. What was bothering me was why

(57:31):
you had made mention of them putting a warning in the box
with free phone with new phones saying don't put the phone up to
your ear. So I looked that up to try to
verify that, that I verified that's true.

(57:55):
They do do that. The claim is that they can't
verify that it's not dangerous. That's not that they say it is,
it's that they can't verify it isn't.
That's them covering their ass. That's that's that's what
they're doing. They're covering their ass.

(58:15):
So like I said in that episode, when you look at the
electromagnetic spectrum, radio waves, high frequency radio
waves or low frequency radio waves are not supposed to be
ionizing, OK? They're they're supposed to be

(58:36):
harmless. They're not supposed to do
anything to biological anything.OK?
Why do they even have to cover their ass?
Why is that? Why are they making an attempt
to appease anything? Because the science does say

(59:01):
that there's nothing there. There's nothing wrong with this
whatsoever. There shouldn't even be an
effort is what I'm trying to say, because there shouldn't be
anything to make an effort against.
So I looked into it some more. Apparently there is some studies

(59:28):
coming out that's saying that there could be a potential
danger in radio frequency on biological DNA or DNA, right?
Why I threw biological in front of that but DNA but?

(59:57):
Wait, say that last part again. Sorry.
Say, say what you just said again.
So there is some studies coming out that that says that there
could be evidence of radio frequencies causing damage to
DNA. In what capacity?
It's unclear. I can't find what capacity, how

(01:00:18):
how long it has to be, in what form?
In what you know, are you talking about ultra high
frequency, very high frequency, high frequency?
You know what side of the spectrum of the radio frequency?
The side of the electromagnetic spectrum?
Are you talking about? How long do you have to have it

(01:00:39):
there? What magnitude that's There's a
lot of lot of variables there that I'm unsure of.
Can cell phones even get that right?
Can can they even get to the point where they're being
harmful? Then I started noticing that

(01:01:07):
every single time that you look up a definition of 5G or cell
phone frequencies or radio frequencies and cell phones or
any combination of thereof, theyalways throw in the key term non

(01:01:30):
ionizing. Now, if anybody understands the
term non ionizing, that is a specific term that talks about
basically in layman's terms, fucking up biological matter

(01:01:54):
right at the molecular level. That's what ionizing is.
OK, so why are they? Why are they?
Why are they even putting that in the basic definitions for all
this stuff when you're not asking for that specific
information? It's obfuscation, bro.

(01:02:20):
It's legalese, bro, right? Anybody who's watched like First
Amendment auditors will understand this plan as day,
right? Like the whole I'm not driving,
I'm traveling right. You look up the definitions in
the law and the right, right, technically, it's that type of
thing. OK, while you were looking at

(01:02:41):
that, man, I, I went back, I posted this years ago and I just
found it and it's the New Hampshire Commission to Study
the Environmental and Health Effects of Evolving 5G
Technology, October 31st, 2019. OK, this is a study from NTP

(01:03:05):
National Toxicology program. OK, and in here let me Scroll
down a little bit. It's talking about what they're
looking for, why blah blah blah.NTP, the National Toxicology

(01:03:26):
What is it program, The NT PS study on cell phone RFR radio
frequency radiation is the most comprehensive assessment of
health effects in rats and mice from exposure to 2G and 3G cell
phone RFR. There was clear evidence that
exposure to cell phone RFR caused heart tumors in male

(01:03:48):
rats. There was some evidence that
exposure to cell phone radiation, cell phone RFR caused
tumors in the brain and adrenal gland in male rats.
OK, the final conclusion, blah blah, sent to experts.
I'm sorry, I'm not. I'm trying to like Breeze
because it's a dense document. I don't want to bore everybody.

(01:04:18):
Where was it? Clear evidence of
carcinogenicity? Carcinogenicity.
I don't know what the fuck that is based on increased evidences
of malignant heart tumors, braintumors, adrenal gland tumors.
OK. So.

(01:04:43):
There's more. Yeah, there's a lot more.
So I want to I want to back up and kind of explain why.
Why ionizing or why I find it important that they're putting
that specific terminology into these into these definitions.

(01:05:04):
Now when I say that that they'reputting the term non ionizing
into the the definitions of 5G signals or cell phone signals or
radio frequency signals and I'm connecting that to biological

(01:05:25):
cells or DNA, the connection isn't automatic.
They're OK there. There's a few steps that you
have to take. Ionization is the process of
which a an atom or molecule becomes ionized.

(01:05:46):
OK the process in which an an atom becomes ionized is when the
electrical charge is changed in an atom.
OK, basically when radiation ionization happens, the the

(01:06:10):
radiation causing the effect onto the a biological cell
causes the breakdown of the thisthe the DN as bonding structure.

(01:06:33):
OK, so without the without the the the bonding structure
holding everything together, everything falls apart.
OK. I I think did we go over alpha,
beta and gamma radiation last time?
I think we did right. Yeah.
OK, so basically whenever certain types of radiation

(01:06:54):
touches DNA or any biological cellular structure, it tears it
apart, it just disintegrates it,and it does that by taking apart
the bonds that holds it all together.
OK, that's what ionizing will do.
It changes the charge of the atoms and it falls.

(01:07:18):
It literally disintegrates when gamma radiation goes through
your body because the particles are, you know, the the gamma
radiation is considered energy. It's so small that it literally
shoots through your body. It touches all your cells at

(01:07:40):
once and every every piece of you is affected.
During exposure to gamma radiation, your body literally
melts. OK so why are they telling you

(01:08:00):
that there's non ionizing effects from cell phone usage?
Why are they telling you this that it during?
Why are they saying this in a definition where you're not

(01:08:20):
asking for it? That that's what's driving me
nuts when I'm saying, hey, what are the waves that are being
used in cell phones like? It's for.
It's for liability purposes because I, I don't know which
organizations are responsible for dictating.
It's probably the FDA or some other, OK, but there's certain

(01:08:41):
like thresholds, right, that aredeemed safe and you cannot
produce a product and sell it tothe public if it's not within
those thresholds for whatever itis, OK, When you're talking
about like all this toxicology shit, right?
Whether it's chemicals or radiation or whatever the case
might be, if things are not within a certain threshold, you
can't produce it and sell it to the public.

(01:09:03):
OK, it's the, the legal liability end of things.
So what they do is they'll what you're talking about here is
they again, they obfuscate the truth by saying, hey, look, it's
non ionizing radiation, right? It's only pumping out like X
number of whatevers. You know, that's it's fine, it's
not a big deal. We've done the studies on it,

(01:09:24):
right? But this is going back to what
I'm, I'm always saying where it's like, you know, they're
leaving out truths or they're obfuscating truths so that they
can get away with producing these things in mass and making
trillions of fucking dollars, right?
So that's the reason they're doing that kind of thing, right?
Yeah, sure. The levels of non ionizing
radiation or it is non ionizing radiation, that's their way of

(01:09:48):
getting around the liability when the tumors start to come
out. OK, I just put this document
that I was reading into Grok andI said summarize it for me.
OK, The NTP studied cell phone RFR finding clear evidence of
heart tumors and some evidence of brain and adrenal gland
tumors in male rats, equivocal evidence in mice, DNA damage

(01:10:09):
observed in rat and mouse brains, OK.
So again, there are thousands ofstudies like this that have
shown that the shit is dangerous, OK?
In all different ways. OK, this isn't the one that I

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thought it was. I was actually looking for the
one that said that there was DNAdamage on plants as well.
Not just rats, not just humans, plants.
And you know, they're not going to put that out there.
You know, if that was on the thewarning box when you open your
phone, hey, just so you know, your cell phone's going to

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literally damage the DNA of every living Organism around
you, right? If that was in the warning, they
wouldn't even be able to producethem and sell them to people.
You see what I mean? So they have to go in there and
they have to slap it with some definition that nobody asked
for. Oh, it's non ionizing radiation
bro. It's all good, don't worry about
it. Does that make sense?

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You said that there was damage to plant cells too, huh?
Yep. Plant cells have cell walls.
Cell wall membranes, degradationof cell wall membranes.
I remember that specifically. I remember what study it is.
I'll find it. I swear I'll find it.
But I, I've posted it somewhere because I remember going through
this with, with Creamer and Jadeback in the early shadow band

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days. Remember getting deep into this
and yeah man degradation cell? Wall cell wall membranes are
inside of the cell wall. It's a Think of like a, like a
chicken egg, right? When you crack open a chicken
egg for like for breakfast and then you have that thin membrane
inside of the shell. That's the same thing as what's

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inside of a plant cell, right? That's the the cell wall
membrane. So what's happening is the
membrane is being degraded, which is allowing, whether it's
non ionizing radiation, ionizingradiation or who knows what
else. Because the the membrane is

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being degraded, it's allowing the other frequencies because
that's what they are to come through and cause further
damage, right? This is where you get the the
double and single DNA strand breaks from millimeter wave
technology because the cell wallmembranes have been degraded and
it's allowing these frequencies to penetrate deeper into the

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Organism, right. And again, nobody's doing the
studies on that right there, there.
Well, there are, but you know, not as far as like for, you
know, the production of these things and like public safety
and all that, that they don't even, they're not even looking
that deep. They're just saying, yo, the non

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ionizing radiation is cool, man.It's fine, bro.
It's not a big deal, dude, right?
But they're not looking at like what the compounding effects are
of all these different frequencies, all the freaking
time and what that's doing, right?
So it's like, this is what I said last time, bro.
This is why we have so many sickpeople, right?

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This is why the number, you know, this might get us in
trouble. My opinion is This is why it's
possible that the numbers of like people on the spectrum are
through the roof these days, right?
People are getting sick by the numbers.
We this could lead into a whole conversation of terrain theory

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versus germ theory. Are people getting sick because
they're catching germs, or are they getting sick because
they're being bombarded with frequencies that the body is
not, it has not been created or evolved to withstand, right?
People have done this before where they've gone back and
they've tracked when were all the massive, like major global

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pandemics in the world where they all coincide with the the
production and mass use of new frequencies, right.
So when, like AMI don't, I'm just throwing this out here.
I don't know the full timeline here, but like, just as an
example, like AM radio comes outSpanish flu, right, or whatever

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the fucking thing was at the time, right?
And then, you know, the, the 1G comes out, right?
And it was what was the one backin the day, whatever.
There was a big, you know, global pandemic back then,
right? And it's like every single time,
bro. And all the way up to 5G, they,
they were mass producing 5G and they're putting up all those 5G

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towers in what year 2019-2020? Everybody was getting laid off,
everybody was stuck home. Nobody was working except who
Amazon workers and Verizon workers that were putting up 5G
towers, right. So there's a there is an
argument there to say, hey, lookman, maybe pumping frequencies

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across the planet is the thing that's creating sickness.
The the more said CB radios killed all the pigeons, now
they're all drones. Yeah, that's funny.
I I bought a book a while ago. Birds aren't real.

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Birds aren't real bro. I'm a I'm an official Birds
Aren't Real member. This my membership.
Card. Oh, here it is.
Legitimately one day we'll we'llbe doing I got.
To protect it too. Birds aren't real.
Official Member. That's awesome.

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One day I will. I will do a report on the birds
aren't real. It it, it will be done.
It will be done. I can't wait actually.
That's a whole rabbit hole by itself, man.
You know the terrain theory thing?
You know, the idea also is that basically, look, man, you're not

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getting sick because you're catching something.
Bacterial infections? Sure.
Viral infections? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
What's really happening is your body every so often, and it's
usually cyclical, right? It's building up toxins all year
long, building up toxins. And a lot of those toxins are
frequency based. In fact, everything is frequency

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based, I would argue, right? We live in a holographic
universe, so everything is frequency based.
So your body's building up thesethese toxins, if you will, due
to all these frequencies. And every so often it has to
expel them. And it sucks.
You get sick, you sweat, vomit, diarrhea, whatever the case
might be. And that's really what's

(01:17:03):
happening. It's not that you're catching
some viral load, right? Yeah, I'm going to be honest
with you, man. I don't know much about that.
I'm going to take a word on that.
I'd have to see. I had to see timelines and shit.

(01:17:25):
Let. Me see if I can find it real
quick. Well, we're already at an hour
and a half, bud. Here we are, I'm.
Surprised you're not? Oh, that's because you just took
a nap. I took a nap before the.
Show fucker the more no I haven't.

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I, I've of course touched into the Aleister Crowley stuff, but
that would have technically beenlike a, a CJ thing really when
he was part of the show. I mean, I've got stuff back here
that that references Crowley, but I haven't really dove into

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the world of Crowley very much, to be honest with you.
That's a whole thing too, man. You know, you get into like
that, that's a gateway into FlatEarth or space is fake.
If you want my opinion, you get into the, the occult shenanigans
that Crowley was into and the, you know, the Thelemic beliefs

(01:18:28):
and the people who are involved in that, like Jack Parsons,
right? And all those people that were
part of Aleister Crowley's little cult or his little
religion. They also were the same people
who started NASA and it's super weird.
I'm, I'm familiar with a lot of the connections and stuff.
I think I, I would say one of the, the biggest connections

(01:18:53):
that I know of or that I've really dove into with Aleister
Crowley would have been the connection with the Loch Ness,
right? Kenzar did a series on the Loch
Ness Monster actually, when I took those couple weeks off when
I was moving up here in Menominee, Wisconsin.

(01:19:15):
But I've also done a ton of research into Loch Ness, you
know, prior to, to starting Infinite Rabbit Hole.
And there's this whole theory that Aleister Crowley opened up
some sort of portal or had had some doings to do with with
bringing some creature from the past or from another dimension

(01:19:38):
into the waters of Loch Ness. He used to own a property on the
shores or in in the vicinity. I actually have a book that I
bought a long time ago. Where is it?
It's a good book. I want to recommend it for
anybody who. Who?

(01:20:02):
Who is interested? Where are you Should be right in
this area. Here we go.
Here it is, man. I'm fucking good.
OK? This is from the National
Library of Medicine, the NIH. OK?

(01:20:23):
This is on the NIH website. OK, evidence for a connection
between coronavirus disease 19 and exposure to radio frequency
radiation from wireless communications, including five G
Again, this is on the NI HS website.
All right, I'm just going to read part of the abstract.

(01:20:44):
I know you're not supposed to just read the abstract.
We're going to do it anyways, OK.
Coronavirus disease, COVID-19. Public health policy has focused
on the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, the
virus and its effects on human health.
While environmental factors havebeen largely ignored in
considering the epidemiological triad applicable to all disease,

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we investigated a possible environmental factor in the
COVID-19 pandemic, ambient radiofrequency radiation from
wireless communication systems, including microwaves and
millimeter waves. SARS COVID 2, the virus that
caused the COVID-19 pandemic, surfaced in Wuhan, China,

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shortly after the implementationof citywide 5th generation 5G of
wireless communications radiation and rapidly spread
globally, initially demonstrating a statistical
correlation to international communities with recently
established 5G networks. So if what I'm saying is, I'm

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not saying you Jeremy are sayingthis, but for the listeners, if
what I'm saying sounds ridiculous or crazy or another
conspiracy theory from Jeff, theNIH, the NIH did a whole fucking
study on this. Why would they do a whole study
on this if there was nothing to it, right?

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Maybe because you're crazy. Maybe I'm crazy.
Maybe 'cause you're crazy, man, Maybe just 'cause you're crazy.
I don't know, man. It just goes back to the
question, you know, how, how many times do you got to be

(01:22:36):
wrong for, you know, for you just to realize maybe maybe
you're the one that's wrong. Maybe you're maybe you're the
conspiracy theorist. Yeah, yeah, maybe you were the
conspiracy theorist all along. It's interesting though, right?

(01:22:56):
I mean, look, dude, I'm just saying, bro, like, you know, I
don't know everything. I'm just a regular schmuck,
dude, right? I I literally don't know
anything. But I can tell you right now,
man, when you start looking at stuff with a different lens and
you start thinking about shit this way, you see the whole
world differently, man. Could you, could you imagine,

(01:23:18):
could you imagine that the people who don't believe this
stuff, that's the real conspiracy.
It is. Whoa.
It is. That's, that's the real
conspiracy. That's the real conspiracy.

(01:23:39):
They're creating NPCS, and the people who aren't NPCS, they
just get ostracized and they getlaughed at and it's all good.
Keep laughing bro. Dude, fuck, that's our
conversation for next week. Let's do that.
Next week What? Let's talk.
Let's talk NPCS. I'm writing it down.

(01:24:01):
I'm putting it on a post note. Let's let's do simulation and
NPCS, because I have I have AI don't know.
I've just, I've been running into some fucking weird people
man. And like just just doing some,

(01:24:25):
some good old fashioned people watching lately and I'm
convinced that this world is full of them. 100%. 100% fucking
full of NPCS dude. Yeah, I would argue that most
people walking around are MPCS. Yeah, and I mean, I don't want

(01:24:48):
to get too far into it right nowbecause we're about to wrap up
this episode. But like I've been I've been
trying to push, you know, do being more active on social
medias and stuff. I've been getting a lot of, a
lot of really good feedback lately from about the show and

(01:25:11):
trying to, to get, you know, more active with it and push it
a little bit more to see, you know, if this thing's got legs
and working on TikTok a lot moreand X and Instagram and shit.

(01:25:32):
And you know, we'll, we'll, we'll dive into NPC simulation
dead Internet. We'll, we'll, we'll talk about
all that because I've, I've, I've definitely, definitely run
into some symptoms of, of dead Internet.

(01:25:52):
Oh yeah, dead Internet theory 100% a thing bro.
And it makes perfect sense, you know, because if most people are
NPCS, well, the only way to fillthat out on the Internet is with
bots, dude. Yeah, fake Internet activity.
Yeah, so I'm going to write thatdown.

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Let's lock that in NPC's SIM theory.
Dead Internet. Yeah, And my final thoughts on
tonight's episode for everybody.Just you know, if, if, if
whether you listen to this episode or any of the past
episodes, or you listen to Shadow Band, whatever the case

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is, or you hear any random conspiracy on the Internet,
right? Don't be so quick to just shut
it off, right? Take a few minutes and really
dig into something, right? Like, pick something and just
dig into it for a minute and andyou'll find something, bro.
Look, I did it while we were alive, right?
We were talking about the radio frequencies and all that stuff.

(01:26:55):
And I found the NIH study, right?
So now, of course they're not going to come out and say, yeah,
5G did it right because they have to cover their ass.
But just the fact that they evendid a fucking study, they spent
millions of dollars on doing a study just to find out if is

(01:27:16):
enough. That's, it's the fact that
they're looking into it. Yep.
Yeah, I agree 100%. The fact that the government, I
mean, the government spends money on some really stupid
shit, right? But the fact that they're
they're spending money on something means that there's an

(01:27:36):
inkling there, there's some sortof interest in it.
There's there. There's a reason for it.
Yeah, somebody smarter than you and somebody smarter than me was
like, hey. Yeah, there's reason to believe
for sure. But all right, Yep, next week
we'll go. We'll dive.

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I got my little post it note. Unless something happens to it,
I need someone to remind me whatthe fuck we're talking about.
But next week. Or if, you know, a guest reaches
out. But NP CS SIM theory, Ted
Hairnet theory. The more bro, if you've been to

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a Taylor Swift concert you are an NPC.
Oh, 100% facts, 100% yeah, that's funny.
Yeah. Facts.
Yeah, that's. Funny dude.
I agree. That's a good guy.
That's a funny guy. All right, Well, I appreciate
it, everybody. This was this was another fun
episode. I no longer worry about these

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these conversation episodes. Just sit down, spark up a
conversation and it goes quick. But all right.
Well, like always, everybody, myname is Jeremy.
I'm your host, the infinite Rabbit Hole podcast.
This is my buddy Jeff. We, we like to just come in
here, have a good time, expand our minds, expand yours.

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