228. Dead Internet Theory, NPCS, & Simulation Theory

Is there a narrative in the real world that is being pushed by bot accounts on social media websites throughout the web? Well, there is a really good possibility that many of the strange events that have been plaguing recent history has stemmed from certain storylines placed by these bot accounts dating back decades now. Bots arguing with bots. Which are arguing with bots, witch in turn have real humans enraged about false storylines that have no actual basis in reality other than just to create turmoil in the public. Oh! and we dabble in the concept of non-playable characters in the "real-world" and proof that we live in a simulation. Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole!

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Episode Transcript

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What? That's all right, All right,
man. So let's talk about what we were
supposed to talk about last night.
What were we talking about last night?
What? We were supposed to talk about
last night. I got sidetracked because you
wanted to talk about stupid shit.
What? Were we supposed to talk about
last night? To be or not to be?

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NP CS Simulation theory and deadInternet.
Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, yeah.
So do we. Do we feel obliged to define
these terms first? Should we do it?

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I, I feel like we should do it anyways, right?
NPCS? Let's start off with let's start
off with SIM theory because I think that's the best place to
start off with SIM theory, AKA the simulation theory is
something that we've covered multiple times here on the
channel. We've actually had Reswan Verk

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who actually showed up on on JoeRogan.
That was pretty cool to see him show up on Joe Rogan on the show
and talk to us about his book the simulation Hypothesis, which
actually just had it second edition drop trying to get him

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to come back on and and talk to us again.
And he he dies into a lot of evidence that he's uncovered.
He's an MIT graduate and Stanford graphic graduate and
he's he's done a lot of work in Silicon Valley on games that's

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done a lot of other work too. But this is just what you know,
stuff that's specific to the simulation theory and his
specialty within that. So he has uncovered a lot of
evidence that points to us living within a simulation.

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Now, there are a ton of people out there that have done a lot
of research into whether or not we live in a simulation.
Nick Bostrom is another really big name when it comes to the
entire encapsulation of the simulation theory.

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Basically the gist is is that everything around you is a
simulation and you yourself are a simulation.
You live within a simulation. We are not Reality prime if you
will, right? That's a good way to put it.
Reality prime. From that, if you look at the

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definition of a simulation, you can compare that to something
that we use or most people use nowadays on a daily basis.
Video game, OK, or a computer simulation.
In a computer game or a computersimulation, there are these

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characters called NPCS, non playable characters.
This is another concept that we'll talk about today.
NPCS are basically filler bodieswithin the simulation or video
game that really just provide bodies.
They're there. They're there to fill up space,

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to create a false sense of population.
Right. They are basically blank books
in the form of human beings. OK, they have very minimal
language skills, they have very minimal mechanical skills, and

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they just kind of serve one purpose and they do very little
NPCS, non playable characters, basically soulless pawns if you
will. Pre programmed characters.
There you go. Right now, the last bit is
probably the one that's most disconnected from these two

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terms. The dead Internet theory.
This one, this I think is probably this is this is pretty
interesting. I mean, the other two are are
really interesting as well, but in its own way.
Now, I don't remember exactly when this started.
We haven't really dove into thisin depth before, We've touched

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on it before in the show, but the gist is I believe it was
Reddit that that this entire theory started on.
But somewhere in the 90s, I believe, or maybe in the early
2000s, a study came out that found that somewhere up upwards

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of 40 to 50% of all of interactions that happened on
Reddit were done by bots. Bot accounts that there was a a
script being played out by an unknown hand by these bot

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accounts that real people were falling victim to to their
manipulation. They would go on to these Reddit
pages, post comments that were getting reactions from real
people. Not only were they getting

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reactions from real people, but they were getting reactions from
other bot accounts that were reacting to other bot accounts
that were getting reactions fromother body counts that were
getting reactions from other body counts that were getting
reactions from real people. They were being reacted to from
body counts that were then again, getting reacted to from

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other body counts that are getting reacted to from other
people. So they're just started this
whole thing of of people reacting with fake Internet
accounts but getting real feelings such as rage and
aggression towards these fake accounts.

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Now it's thought that on Reddit and other like websites that
these bot accounts can be anywhere upwards of 75 to 90% of
all interactions. And that's including websites
like X Instagram, Reddit itself,Discord, a lot of these Telegram

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I think is one that that's that's really big right now for.
The dead It's not just the interactions, it also content
creation on the Internet. Content creation, but it's the
the real concern about it is that now AI is becoming, you
know, we're starting to see the intelligence side of AI, right?

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And the concern is how much is AI playing into this?
And are we living a script that AI is is pull is writing through
altercations that are happening through the dead Internet that
we're seeing played out in real life?

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Are people really pissed off in real life over things that
they're seeing on the Internet that are really just bought
accounts that are pissed off, that are pissed off about things
that real people aren't even pissed off about?
I'm going to just say yes. And I'm also going to say it's,
I don't think it's the AI that'sdoing this like by itself.

(09:07):
I think it's nowadays, it's justwhat you have is a combination
of things. There are bot farms, right?
We, if you don't know about the bot farms, then you just haven't
been paying attention, right? Because we dealt with this
through like the last couple of elections with the Twitter
Files, all this stuff. OK, there are literal bot farms

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where whether it's Ng OS or billionaires or whatever, right,
they fund a small group of people to run and manage giant
bot farms, literally like like building skyscrapers just full
of servers and computers, just running bot accounts, right?

(09:53):
That's a real thing. I think those setups are
utilizing AI, especially in the content creation side of things,
right? So if you ever scroll through
YouTube to just find like randomvideos to watch, everybody's
probably seen this by now. Half of your algorithm is you
click on the video that the thumbnail's interesting, the,

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the captions interesting. So you click on the video and
next thing you know, you realizethat it's an AI overdubbed
voice, voice over. It's just a compilation of
pictures and stock footage on the video.
And you know, these videos just talk about whatever and they'll
have like 8 million views, right?

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That's one side of it. So there is like an active push
to to run these facilities. And what that's doing is it's
clouding the information on the Internet in my opinion right
now, you know, there are people behind that.
So it's not like 100% dead Internet situation, but it's

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like it's in there, you know what I mean?
That's a big portion of it. The other part of the dead
Internet side is that the algorithms themselves are just
re, you know, what's the word like, kind of like what you were
saying, like they're they're commenting on videos or posts

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trying to stir up engagement. Now, the unfortunate thing is,
is through all of the studies they've done over the last 20
years of us using smartphones and the Internet and all this
shit, the thing that gets the most engagement is negative
stuff, right? Like nobody ever comments about
how awesome something was. They always comment about how
pissed they are that red team dothis or blue team do that or

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whatever The thing is, right. So that side of it I believe is
unmanned, you know, call it AI, call it just the algorithm, you
know, whatever it is, that's what's happening.
But yeah, probably 90% of all ofthe shit on the Internet content

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creation wise and interaction wise is not actual people
engaging. I must say 90%.
Yeah, it's, it's pretty scary ifyou if you stop and think about
it for a while, right. And you line up events, major

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events, right with with the rapid growth of technology,
right. You see some of the really wild
shit that's been going on as of recently just current event
wise. And you look at the parallel

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growth with technology, it's neck and neck, man.
It's right there. It's it's all designed to be
distractions in my opinion. Like it's not.
I don't think it necessarily hasmuch to do with like simulation
theory, right, as much as it hasto do with just distractions.

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You know, they, they don't want you to know the truth about
pretty much anything. And the easiest way to cover up
the truth, especially with the Internet is to just muddy the
waters to just have this, you know, you, you open up a post on
something that you find interesting and you see that
there's 50,000 comments and eachone of those comments has 400

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replies and, and likes and dislikes and all this stuff.
It's just to kind of get our, because our, our, our, our
attention spans have already been shortened drastically just
since we've gotten smartphones, right, Which wasn't that long
ago, 2009. So since 2009, our attention
spans have plummeted. And nobody really takes the time

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to sift through like all the information about anything or
all the comments about anything.But people are really quick to
just react to the top comment orreact to the top three comments,
right? And then just move along.
And that just, it's a snowball effect that happens.
And the next person that shows up on the video or whatever, you

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know, they see your human reaction mixed in with 87 bot
reactions. And it, you know, it almost kind
of like creates this want or need to be a part of something.
So then people start chiming in,you know, and it's just, yeah,
it's just a giant distraction game, I feel like.

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So I brought up I, I just went to grok, right?
And I say, hey, Grok, what is the dead, dead Internet theory?
And I thought it'd be interesting to just kind of read
off what Grok defines it as cool, turn it up a little bit.
Cool that. Yeah, I did.
That too, by the way. Oh, did you?

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Yeah. So I, I think it's funny that
it, it starts off with our favorite term, right?
And this will tell you right nowthat there's truth to it.
The dead Internet theory is a conspiracy theory right there,

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right? What's the difference between a
conspiracy theory and the truth?Just a.
Little. Bit of time The Dead Internet
theory is a conspiracy theory that suggests the Internet as we
know it has been largely overtaken by bots, artificial
intelligence in automated systems, resulting in a

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significant decline in genuine human interaction online.
According to this theory, much the content, engagement, likes,
comments and shares, and even user accounts on social media
platforms and websites are generated by algorithms or bots
rather than real people. The theory posits that this

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shift began around the mid twenty 10's and has since made
the Internet feel quote UN quotedead or inauthentic, with human
users being drowned out by by automatic systems.
Key points of the dead Internet theory include bot dominance,
manipulation of engagement, declining organic content,

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corporate and government control, erosion of human
connection. Yeah, that pretty much sums it
up, right? The gist is because when I.
Asked Grok. It didn't say it was a
conspiracy theory. Really.
Nope. Well, it knows your flavor it.
Does. It does.

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How you get, like, personalized results.
And that's not the first time that's happened.
You and I have done this before where you've searched something.
I searched the same thing on Grok.
Same exact words, same exact phrasing.
And like, we get slightly different.
Yeah, you know. That's hilarious.
It is pretty funny. It's like.

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That's. That's great us shit.
Sorry, still still feel a littleunderweather, but feel a little
bit better. I think it's, it's, it's hard to
say that, that this, that there's no truth to this because

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it doesn't matter what social media you go on or any website
for that matter, right? If you're dealing with a website
with profiles, shit, you can go to Amazon and look at some of
the, the, the reviews that are on there and you're like, what
the fuck? Who's writing some of this shit,
right? Like some of this shit is just

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the most generic crappy reviews,like copy and pasted bullshit.
Like, OK, you know, some people on here probably paid per review
probably. But this is obviously a picture
of, you know, something, somebody off of Google, right?

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And those are pictures of peopleoff Google on Facebook that are,
are flooding, you know, people'sinboxes with spam messages and
shit, right? I mean, I, I've got a spam
folder on Facebook. I mean, I, I would believe that
a lot of people do. And every once in a while I open

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up that spam folder and, and it's full of disgusting shit,
right? That are obviously bots, man.
Same thing with X, right? Some of the interactions that
that happened on post X will literally filter those things
out. They'll put them, you open up
the comment section on X and you'll scroll all the way down

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to the the comments all the way down and it'll filter them out
at the bottom and say, hey, there's some questionable
comments down here. Do you want to see them?
Anyways, yes, you look at them and most of those are going to
be bot comments. Great.
And you'd be surprised how many are down there sometimes.
The real question is why? And I have two answers for the

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why. The.
First answer it's pretty easy toto understand as social media or
or really any websites or whatever started to gain
popularity, especially with the advent of the smartphone, it
became extremely lucrative for the CE OS of these companies,
Facebook, Twitter, whatever, right?

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It, it became extremely lucrative for them to make it
appear as if they had X amount of users, right?
The more users, the more lucrative, especially in the
advertising age that we live in right now.
So if I have a platform, let's use X for, for an example, I
have a platform and there's you know, whatever 2 billion people

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using this platform and I go to the advertisers and I say, hey,
look, there's 2 billion people here.
Like let's work out how much perview.
You know, I'm going to make and then the content creators are
going to make as well, right? And because there's 2 billion
people on this platform, the advertisers way more inclined to
give more money because they're going to get more views on their

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ads and in turn, potentially sell more of whatever they're
selling, right? So you're thinking that they're
planted there? Yeah.
Well, they are this, this, that.What?
My example with XI did that on purpose because that's exactly
what happened when Elon bought X.
That was one of the big scandalswas they went through and they
they started looking at how manyof the ex user accounts were

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bought accounts and it was a huge percentage right, and
that's why. So that's like base layer
reality reason for the dead Internet right up the numbers
get more money. You want to get into a little
bit more of a woo answer of why I'd say that they right the

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lizard people, they're very muchinterested in creating this idea
of scarcity. There is not 8 billion people in
the world. I wholeheartedly believe that
the number that we have of humanbeings walking around on Earth
is extremely inflated. I don't think there's 8 billion

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people. And the dead Internet, the
algorithms in the bots help to portray that there are that many
people. So I, I don't know about that,

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right. I can see, I can see where
you're coming from. I think most of the population
you, you got to take into account rural populations and
and low tech populations, right That won't have access to this
stuff. I'll just and I I base this,

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this thought that there's not that many people.
I used to drive a truck. I drove all over the country,
lower 48. OK, I went coast to coast every
single day. All right.
Well, you know, it takes like 3 or 4 days to but you know, you
get what I'm saying all day long.
I'm telling you right now, bro, there is no way that there's 350
million people living in the United States.

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There is so much empty land. And even when I drove that truck
through the densest, the densestpopulated areas in the country,
New York, Chicago, LA, right? These these places, right?
I could tell you for sure that the number that they tell us,
oh, 20 million people live in LA?
I don't think so, brother. Yeah, the traffic sucks.

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There's a lot of fucking people there, but not 20 million.
That number is so vast, you wantto realize it.
You know what I mean? I think.
I think. You'd be surprised at how much a
million people would look like from the sky.
Do I think that there's 8 billion people on this planet?

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I'm going to be honest with you,man, I don't have that opinion.
Do I agree with you that the United States is sparsely
populated? Absolutely.
And that is one thing that I have tried to explain to a lot
of people, right. There's a reason why they're

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called fly over states, man. You know, I've, I've spent a
decent amount of my early time in the Navy, you know, the first
two or three years flying over from the East Coast to West
Coast multiple times in the first two or three years in C
one 30s in Natos and in HH60 helicopters from Pax River,

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Maryland or Norfolk, VA over to Point Magoo, California or
Whidbey Island, Washington, right?
Flying over states where you're not seeing shit from 20,000 feet
in the sky, right? And I've got Clearview.

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I mean, this isn't, they're not passenger airlines.
I mean, I've got a better view than I would on a 747, right?
When you're going over the Rockies, man, it's wild.
There's nothing there. When you're going over some of
these Midwest states, there's nothing there.

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Shit, you'd be surprised. Like even in spots of Virginia,
West Virginia, Kentucky, spots of Ohio, like there's a lot of
space out there that a lot of people don't understand.
Like that, you know, there's a lot of area outside of of your,
your hometown and cities that's just not taken up.

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So totally in agreeance, right? I have a decent idea.
I can't tell you that I know forsure what a million people look
like from the sky. I have a decent idea what a
million people look like from the sky.
I can give you, I think when they say 20 million people live

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in Lai think it's pretty close. I do see.
The thing is, is like, you think, you know what a million
people looks like from the sky because you've been told, hey,
look, there's a million people that live in this this town or
whatever. So you fly over it and you're
like, oh, that's what a million people in a town looks like.
But I don't think that there's amillion people in that town.

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Not to say that there's no townswith a million people, right?
I, I live in the greater Orlandoarea.
There's definitely a million people running around for sure,
right? Like traffic's fucking crazy
sometimes. There's a lot of people here.
But like that #1 million, it's abig ass number now.
We, we've been desensitized to numbers, I think, right?

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You know, when, when we think about like $1,000,000 or a
million people or a million anything, like it's a lot, but
we're like, it's not that many, right?
Because we're also given numbersof billions and trillions and
this type of thing, right? So we're desensitized to the
idea of a million of anything. In fact, I'd argue that nobody,
I would argue that every single person who listens to this

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episode, not a single one of them has ever held a million
anything in their hands, right? So like, there's no way to like,
comprehend that number really. Does that make sense?
Yeah, yes and no. So.
I, you know, I always go back tolike the Georgia Guidestones
thing, right? You know, on the Georgia

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Guidestones, remember it said that they were going to maintain
a population of 500 million globally, right?
I would argue that that might actually be closer to the real
number than 8 billion. I don't know man.
I don't know. I don't know.
There there would have to be some heavy duty fuckery. 80 to

(27:38):
90% of the Internet being fake. There's.
No other, There's no other way for us to, you know, like
conceivably to see that many people.
Like, you know, we go online andwe see all these infinite
accounts and all this action that's happening on the
Internet. So it's kind of easy for us to
be like, yeah, there's got to bebillions of people look at all
this shit that's happening on the Internet all day long.

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But if you come to realize like,hey, like 90% of that is just
fake. It's like.
Yeah. But that's, is that, is that a
direct representation of, of, ofphysical reality?
I don't think so, no. No, no, no.
That that's why I was saying I think that the, the dead
Internet bots are just like another way for them to kind of

(28:19):
inflate the perception of how many people there are, right?
I mean, like, let's let's use for example, like the doge
thing, right? They were going through and they
found like all these people thatwere over 100 years old
collecting Social Security, right?
Some people were 200 years old. I think there was even somebody
that was like 250, like from thestart of the United States,

(28:41):
right. There's a 250 year old person
just collecting Social Security,right?
That to me is a good example. Like in those numbers, you know,
you've got thousands and thousands of people who just are
either dead or like long since dead.
Think about like the voting situation, right?
There's been all this talk aboutlike dead people voting, like

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double votes, triple votes, quadruple votes, all this stuff.
The census, right? The way that they collect census
data. I don't know.
There's just a lot of fishy business there.
I really don't think it I you'd be hard pressed to convince me
that there's 88 and a half billion people walking around,
dude. Just from my own personal
experience of driving around this country and seeing how
empty it was. Now I I could definitely get on

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board with there being less than8 billion I 500,000.
That's not that's not enough 5. 100 million well 5:00. 100
million sorry, it's still same II don't think that's enough.
I think you want to shave a billor two off maybe right?

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They're definitely counting deadpeople for sure. 100 percent,
100% I I, I governments around the world, including ours, is
corrupt as fuck and they're inflating numbers to benefit
certain programs for some shady business.
Absolutely 100% dude. 100% and numbers help causes. 100% agree

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with you there. Yeah.
And one of the ideas also for that, you know, like one of the
reasons of why why would they dothis could also be to hide the
depopulation programs that are happening, right?
So if they keep telling us everyyear, like, hey, you know, the
population numbers are going up or whatever, there's 8 billion
people. Like it's hard for us to think,

(30:38):
hey, if there's 8 billion people.
Here's a good example. Just the other night, me and
Crystal and Creamer, we looked it up.
How many people go missing everyyear?
Do you know the number of peoplewho go missing just in the
United States every year? Fuck, actually it's a shit ton.
How many was it? Babe 600. 1000. 600,000 people

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just in the United States every year, yeah, I believe.
It and. It said globally, millions,
multiple millions of people globally go missing every year,
Yeah. Right A.
Billion is 1000 millions. Yep, right.
So according to the numbers, there's 8000 million people in

(31:19):
the world. If a million, 2310 million
people just go missing every year, that doesn't even put a
dent that's .0001% or whatever, right?
Like, so there, there could be massive population depopulation

(31:40):
programs happening and we just don't even realize it because
they tell us there's 8 billion people.
You see what I mean? So there's like a little, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't look like a lot of
people that are going missing. Yeah, right.
No, absolutely. And and but the the same thing,
right? You also can inflate those

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numbers too. I'm not saying that there aren't
600,000 people going missing in the United States a year.
There very well could be, but numbers create funds.
Same way for for shady black government programs.

(32:27):
Numbers also create funds for other programs too right?
So you know, most programs that are looking for missing people
are good and they deserve money.They deserve funds.
But there are programs out therethat are taking advantage of
people in bad situations that are actually missing people that

(32:51):
are counting that person twice. Sure.
And and they're taking the moneythat is supposed to be going to
them. They're taking half of it and
saying, yeah, well, we're also looking for that person.
Sure, right. But and we're looking for that
person twice, right. So that happens.
So yeah, it's. I'm going to look something up

(33:17):
real quick. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, fuck dude, we've we've talked about missing people
quite a bit. You know, we talked about the
missing 4 on one phenomenon. We've which you know, now that
like I said, probably going to be kicking the the Patreon out

(33:41):
the door and and focusing on archives, getting back into the
solo documentary thing for everybody because I'm really
missing that and getting the feedback from people jumping
back into the missing form one eventually.

(34:02):
We can. Dive back into The Cave system
here in the United States. Dive back into the birth of the
National Park System. Dive back into theories of how
that system was built. We could talk about how Theodore
Roosevelt built or created the Ozarks.

(34:24):
You know, when we when we talkedabout the Ozark Howler, we
talked about the creation or thethe time spent with the order of
The Who, who and the protection of the Ozark Howler and what
that meant to the creation of the National Park system.

(34:46):
And then when people went missing and what that signified
to secret societies within the United States and presidents
that were involved in said secret societies such as the
order of the Hulu. There's a lot that we can talk
about when it comes to missing people and secret funds and

(35:12):
inflated population counts. There's a lot here, Tanya.
Kind of interested what you're Googling here though my friend
SO. Google this Google, Google
1,000,000 people in a place. Just Google that 1,000,000
people in a place. 1,000,000 people in a place.

(35:33):
Yep, look at an image. I'm guessing Yeah, like.
An image, there's been a couple of events in history where
1,000,000 people showed up. A Metallica concert, pretty sure
like Obama's inauguration, therewas about a million people.
OK, So there should be pictures that you can find that just, you

(35:57):
know, and who knows if it's exactly 1,000,000 or whatever.
There you go. OK, boom.
Perfect. Click on that.
This one, yeah. Any of them.
Whatever. OK, that is a literal or maybe
even the first picture on all ofall the pictures.
The very first picture go up. I said the 1st and he scrolls
down like a Dick head. Look at that.

(36:18):
OK, that is people basically from horizon to horizon.
That's a million people. OK, packed shoulder to shoulder
right now. I want you to think they're
telling us that 2025 million people, so 20 to 25, that many
people. Yeah, live.

(36:39):
In LA County, yeah, but do. You know how big LA County is?
Yeah, it's in LA. It's huge.
It's huge. It is.
Absolutely huge and people are packed in there like sardines.
It's. Not that big though, right?
And the what I googled initiallywas how many people live in
Florida? There's 20.
There's 23. What?

(37:00):
If I if I could draw a square right here, how many people are
in this square? I don't know, maybe fucking 20
or 50 probably. 15 to 20. OK.
Yeah, and it it ends right here.There's a line of RV's right

(37:22):
here. OK.
And yeah, it probably does extend out a little bit right
here. And you know this, this may not
be an accurate representation ofexactly 1,000,000 people.
This could be a little bit more,it could be a little less just
to. Give you an idea though, right?
Just gives you an idea, right? But you also got to understand
that this in reality, you have what?

(37:48):
So where my mouse is right now coming down here, That's one
normal town block with four houses on it.
Here's a. Better picture Google 1991
Metallica concert 1,000,000 people.
That was more than 1,000,000 people though, wasn't it?
There was about. A million people there according

(38:10):
to the you know what they say. Here's what I googled though.
I googled how many people live in the state of Florida and I
got 23.3 million people. I can tell you right now, I can
tell you right now, bro, becauseme and Crystal just did this the
other day. her and I drove literally like almost the whole

(38:32):
fucking length almost to Georgia.
We almost drove the whole fucking length of Florida, OK.
And I'm telling you that there is not 23 times that many people
living here. It was most of most of Florida
is rural. Right, most.

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Of the population in Florida is on the coast.
Sure. Where?
Where? Were you driving we.
Drove from the coast up to northern Central Florida, Yes.
So you you drove through rural Florida?
No, we drove from the coast where most people live, through

(39:13):
Orlando, where most people live up to, you know, rural areas.
As soon as you got through Orlando, you're in bum fuck
nowhere Florida, right? But that kind of is my point.
There's not that many people here, and it didn't take us that
long to drive that far. Yeah, it's big, but it's not
that fucking big, bro. I drove around this country a

(39:35):
lot, bro. It's not as big as people think.
Yeah, you got. I mean, man, population density
got to pay attention to that, right?
It's, it's a, it's a critical statistic.
I. Understand.
All right. Certain areas have different
population density than others. Like where I grew up in St.

(39:57):
Petersburg, FL, I want to say the population density when I
was living there was like 1400 people per square mile.
It sucked, right? So let's see, there was God,
what was the name of that fucking website?
It was like best places. I think it was bestplaces.com.

(40:18):
Let's see. Nope.
Good places. Let me see.
Oh. I'll find it.
I'll find it best. Place I.
Think this is it. Let's see.

(40:47):
Just. Trying to get.
Oh. Hot.
That's funny. Let's see here Let.

(41:09):
Me share. So this.
Is this is the town I live in right?
Menominee, Wisconsin. Beautiful.
Place, by the way, people stats should have right here it's got
116 people per square mile. OK, it's yeah, it's got 25,000

(41:36):
people here living here. But this is this is the the
important statistic. 116 people per square mile.
Now I of course it's doing some weird shit.
Why is it doing it? What's going on with this?

(42:00):
OK. Let's see 33710 I think it was
Saint Piers Rd., Florida. What the hell?
Happened there. 3. 23713 there you go Saint Petersburg.

(42:21):
So this is where I grew up in Saint Pete, right?
This was a coastal town or coastal city in Saint Piers in
Florida and people's stats. Why is this website doing this?
This is stupid. He's really annoying Google.
Says that 37.7 million people live in just Tokyo.

(42:46):
I don't doubt it. I don't doubt that.
Why is this stupid? Was I doing this?
I doubt it. So.
Tiny. This is.

(43:07):
Annoying. Well, all.
Right. I guess we're just going to have
to look at the. Tokyo's population density is
16,300 people per square mile. I don't believe it yet.

(43:32):
So St. Petersburg FL has 4178.7.
Tokyo literally has people living in 4 by 4 pods stacked 20
people tall. Dude that make like have you
ever seen that shit? Like.
That's a legitimate thing 16. 1000 people per square mile.

(43:55):
Dude. A square mile is not that big.
It's not that big. It's not, man it's not, but
that's a legitimate thing in Tokyo.
Like people legitimately live inthat shit.
I'm not saying that it's not densely populated.
I'm just, I'm, I'm just saying that the numbers, they they're
inflated is what I'm saying. Is Tokyo one of the dense,
densest populated areas in the fucking world?

(44:17):
Sure, sure. But it's probably not 16,000
people per square mile. That's an average.
Look at this average This is NewYork City.
Sure, 20. 9 K per square mile. That's that's absurd.

(44:39):
That's an absurd amount of people in one tiny little spot.
Yeah. That's, I mean, it's there's,
there's highly populated places,man that.
I'm not arguing. I'm not arguing that it.

(45:00):
Is I've been to some sickly populated places.
I've been. I've been to Chicago, I've been
to New York City. They're sick.
It's disgusting. I've never been to LA.
I've flown over to Lai was surprised at how big LA is.
It's fucking huge. I never want to go to LA.

(45:22):
I'll be fine dying and ever stepping foot in LA.
Yeah, like I'll be good, but mm,hmm, so AM.
I not getting. Any of these comments on my
twitch? I don't.

(45:42):
Know is your. Video paused.
Yeah, yeah. I don't know, bro.
I'm just saying, you know, But, you know, I have a feeling that
a lot of the dead Internet is tocover up for the fact that there
aren't as many people as they tell us that there are, right?
Like, we, we could pull up thesenumbers, right?
We're Googling these numbers. But like, I don't believe the

(46:05):
numbers, right? I don't believe the census.
I don't think that that shit's legit.
So even though Google's telling me, hey, man, there's fucking 40
million people living in Tokyo, I just don't believe it, bro.
You know, I understand that that's what they say.
I understand that we can find pictures that show beautifully
colored little, you know, population density charts and

(46:27):
this and that. But, you know, I can make that
shit. I can make that shit right now.
So I just don't believe that thenumbers are accurate at all.
Manila in the Philippines highest dense density
population. Manila has 43K per square mile.

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The average human being walks like 3 to 4 mph.
That means if you go out for a walk and you're an average human
being and you walk for an hour, you're going to cover like 3 to
4 miles. That means in a 15 minute walk
in One Direction, and then you turn and you walk 15 minutes in

(47:14):
another direction, that little square that you just created has
how many people? Yeah, I don't.
Believe it. When you're in one of these
cities, on average, it should have in like in Manila, because

(47:36):
you got to remember a lot of these cities don't don't pack
people wide. They pack people tall.
I. Understand, right?
So you got to remember that. Let me ask you this, do you
think the dead Internet theory, like there's any validity to it?
I, I do, but I, I, I don't disagree.
Like I could see where you're coming from when it, when it,

(47:58):
when you say that this has basisin in.
Social. Media websites buffer buffing
their numbers and these could bejust remnant accounts you know
from when they were trying to start out.

(48:19):
Makes sense, right? But could these bots be creating
other accounts? Could they be multiplying?
They are. And that's, you know, could
could these be, you know, the offspring of the remnants of of
the original bots that were created in order to inflate
numbers to try to get the sponsorships that they wanted?

(48:42):
That makes sense, right? But that's, that's what what
we're dealing with now. That's.
So let me ask you this. This is why I asked if you have,
if you think there's any validity to the dead Internet
theory, right? Like what if you had to put in
number, what percentage of the Internet do you think is is dead
Internet? Because I'm going to say 90%
eighty to 90. I was.

(49:03):
Going to say 70 ish. So you are comfortable saying
that 70% of the Internet is deadInternet, but you're not as
comfortable saying that that same amount of discrepancy
applies to the actual physical population?
You see where I'm? You see where we're going with

(49:27):
this? Yeah, no, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm in
agreeance. Yeah.
No, I, I don't, I don't think that that that translates.
I don't, I think that I, I can definitely see the numbers being
inflated. I just don't think that that
they correlate the same. I don't, I think when you're

(49:49):
looking at. Correlation.
I'm not, I'm not trying to implythat there is a direct
correlation between the amount of dead Internet versus the
amount of fake population. I'm just asking you personally,
like if you're OK with acceptingthat 70% of the Internet is bots
and algorithms and AI and it's just not real interactions, it's
just fake, it's just all fake 70%.

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How come you're not willing to put a bigger number on the
amount of people not correlated to that?
But I'm just the only correlation.
Are you? Talking NPCS?
Are you just talking about fake numbers?
What's the difference? Like, are you talking about like
legitimate people that you can put eyes on that just aren't

(50:31):
real? No.
No, no, I'm just saying like. Are you talking about fake
Social Security numbers? Fake Social Security number?
Sure, that's a good way to put it I guess.
Like I said, man, I, I could totally see 8,000,000 being a

(50:54):
number, but I, I mean, our 8 billion totally not being a real
number, but 500 million just seems too small.
There's, there's way more than that on this planet.
I just. Think that it's closer to that
number than to 8 billion. I don't.
Think so, right? So, so saying that 3 1/2 billion

(51:16):
people is closer to 500 million than it is to 8 billion.
You see, 3 billion is closer to 500 million than 8 billion.
Anything less than 4 billion is closer to 500 million.
In fact, anything close, anything less than 4 1/2
billion. So if it's 4.49 billion people,

(51:40):
that's closer to 500 million than 8 billion.
I'm just saying that the 500,000,000 number is closer to
the real number than the number that they tell us.
Does that make sense? I mean, I, I get what you're
saying. I just don't think it's that far
off. I don't, I don't think that
we're, we're cutting it by 50% or or more.

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I just don't fair enough. I think that if, if we can get a
million people to go see a Metallica concert in 1991, I
think that there's at least, I think that there's at least a
good amount of people in here, right?

(52:29):
I, I'm population's on, on decline.
Now that's a thing. It you know, you may, you may be
closer to the actual number herein the next 10 years, right?
I think we're going to see some real drastic number deductions
coming up soon. Maybe I just have a problem with

(52:51):
the numbers that they, the experts tell us for everything,
right? No matter what it is, when they
tell us a number, I'm always usually like that they're,
they're totally inflating that number, whether it's population
or whether it's efficacy percentages or whether it's
whatever it is, right? Like they're always overshooting
the number for good reason. You know, for for good.
Reason. Right, for good reason you

(53:12):
should. Like you have good reason to not
trust the fucking experts man. Right?
You do. And honestly, you could be
absolutely correct and I could be dead fucked wrong and I would
not be surprised. There's no way.
For us to know, because none of us can count that high.
Right, right, right. I mean, dude, I'm absolutely

(53:35):
would not be surprised. I'm not a professional fucking
counter, man. I'm not a fucking mathematician,
not a population petition, whatever.
You know, I, I don't know, man, dude, I, I don't do this shit
for a fucking for a living. I'm not out there doing the
census, not a census specialist.I don't do this shit right, but

(53:56):
just with what what I've seen flying over crowds of people, I
don't know, man, I I know what abutt fuck ton of people look
like from the from the sky flying around in the 860
helicopter and you know, flying over like Panama City Beach in

(54:18):
spring break. I know that looks like a butt
ton of fucking people. That's got to be pretty damn
close to, to, to a shit ton of people.
And that's, that's only, you know, a bunch of kids on spring
break. So I just know that there's a

(54:40):
lot more mother fuckers out there in the United States.
And yeah, I, I know there's a lot of people here.
That's all I got to say. If they're, if they say it's 8
million or 8 billion, sure, whatever.
I, I don't really care about numbers.

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I don't really, you know, I don't know, man.
Doesn't bother me. I don't fucking care.
It bothers me that people will make money off of it, you know,
or certain stupid shadow programs will make money off of
it. That's stupid.
And I'll, I, you know, if I knewwhich ones were, I'd fight it.

(55:23):
I'd probably take it more seriously then.
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, the only reason I really
brought it up was because I feellike there is a connection there
from dead Internet. You know, it is interesting to
me that so much of the Internet is fake and it's obviously fake.
You know? I mean, fuck, dude, I used to

(55:44):
joke about this before I came upthere and actually met you in
person. I remember I used to be like, I
don't even know if you got to bereal and.
We may not be. And that was.
Half the reason that I, that I went up there, obviously I
wanted to meet you guys because we've been doing this podcast
for a couple years. But the other half of me was
like, man, I got to check if these motherfuckers are actually
real. Am I living in the Truman Show?
You know, yeah. Well, I mean, we may not be.

(56:06):
I could be an NPC. You could.
Be I could be. I could just be, I could be an
AI, you know that doesn't know what the fuck he's talking
about, right? Well, I would say that we're all
technically AI because I do believe that we live in a
holographic simulated universe, so.
I mean, could be. I mean, we didn't even get to

(56:27):
talk about that. So yeah, we opened up with with
NPCS and SIM theory and never got talked about it, but well.
We haven't hung up yet, so don'tbe so sad.
No, no, we haven't. Well, how do we connect these

(56:53):
two? Let's see.
I. Used to be a warrior like you
and then I took an arrow to the knee.
Name that reference. First person to name that
reference gets a prize if it's. From a movie bro, I'm not going
to It's not a. Fucking movie Jeremy whole Oh my

(57:13):
God I got to get another beverage real quick.
Give me 30 seconds while the while somebody puts the
reference in the chat. Yeah, somebody, somebody chat
that reference chat it do the thing chat.
They're not they're not doing the thing.
Jeffrey I. Used to be an adventurer like

(57:35):
you and I took an arrow in the knee.
I don't know what he's talking about.
It's probably. A movie.
Nobody didn't. You just say.
It's not a movie, nobody. It's not a movie.
It's. Probably.
A movie. I'll give you a hint, it's a
video game. Oh, Elder Scrolls.

(58:02):
Which? 1.
Yeah, I didn't know there was more than one.
You're almost. There we're so.
Close. Skyrim.
Jesus Christ, Skyrim. First MPC that you come across
when you, like, start playing the game, Yeah.

(58:23):
The guy in the cart, no. It's not the guy in the cart,
it's after that little scene. So maybe it's not the first MPC,
it's the first MPC you see once you have access to just free
roaming the world. Fun.
Story I have tried to start thatgame four times and have not got
past the cart. Why?

(58:45):
I don't know man, it's such a. Good game.
It's like one of the greatest games of all time.
I've. Heard it's a good game.
I don't know, man. I just, I, I, I don't.
I don't. Know I don't know.
Fun fact. I've made it through the cart
part probably 20 times. I've played that game so many
times, made so many different characters and played so many
different lives in that in that world, that I've could literally

(59:05):
fucking play that entire first scene with my eyes closed.
Man, I've I've seen clips of that game and it does it looks
fun. Like I'm totally into Dragons
and stuff. Man, it looks looks like a
blast. Like, look, I got, I got the
Stanley Gaster right here, little dragon lighting guy right
there. You played.
Fallout, right? Yeah.

(59:27):
Did you know? Did you know that's the same
universe? Fallout and Skyrim, yeah, no.
Some people would have automatically hear that and
think that Skyrim was the past and Fallout was the future.
It's opposite. Fallout was the past after the
nuclear Armageddon happened. You have all the ghouls and all
the the mutants and all that stuff.

(59:48):
Thousands of years later you have the Dragons and the Wizards
and all that shit. The mutations just kept going
and you know, it's like you wentback in time, but it's forward
in time. It's interesting.
I'll Google. This later?
Go ahead, I'll Google it later. Fallout always seemed like a

(01:00:09):
cool game. Man.
I've played Fallout a little bit.
You know you can do like Cryptidhunting and and fallout.
And that's, you know, like that's Fallout 76, right?
That's the one in West Virginia.That one, like I, I really did
try to get into that game. I just, I don't know, man.
I I just, I can't get into the video games very much.

(01:00:30):
I got. Attacked by Mothman in that game
and it terrified me. I was like what the fuck is
that? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. It sounds like a fun game.
It sounds like if I, if I invested time into it, I'd be
able to do it. But you know, I was like, you
know what, I started playing. I was like, I'm just going to go
read a book, kid. Says they are the same universe

(01:00:52):
and she's playing Fallout 4 right now.
Good for you kid. Fallout 5's coming out.
They just greenlit Fallout 5. Did they?
Yep. Maybe I'll play Fallout 5.
This fucking guy What? What's wrong with that?
Just going to miss. You're just going to skip six
games of lore? Yeah, I watched.

(01:01:14):
I watched the TV show. It was cool.
No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, it was.
Good show that's like. Me telling you the three body
problem show was incredible and then you'd be like, you have to
read the book bro, like. Bro the book was good.
The books were good. The.
Other 6 Fallout games were good.Well, the show.
Was good. The show was good.

(01:01:35):
The show was really good. So yeah, MPCS, man, I know a
few. I know a few.
I run into them a lot. Man, I'll tell you, I think, I

(01:01:57):
think out of the entire concept of the simulation theory, the
best evidence for it. Is the.
Concept of NPCS. I really do, because I think
that like once you start paying attention to NPCS and you're

(01:02:18):
aware of them and the possibility of them existing and
what to look for, you start noticing.
There was this video, and I don't know if it's a fake video
or not, but it was, it's a few years old.
There was a chick sitting in hercar and she was looking in her
rear view mirror and I think shewas in her driveway or

(01:02:39):
something. And she pointed out it was like
a red car or something drove by,right?
It might have been a dude, I don't remember.
It was a long time ago. Anyways, somebody was sitting in
their car and they're like, look, they're, they were like,
watch, there's going to be a redcar that goes by.
And then a red car went by and he was like, now there's going
to be a dude jogging going the other way, Dude jogging.

(01:03:01):
There's going to be an old lady with a stroller, old lady with a
stroller. And he just kept and he's like,
I've been sitting in my car for X amount of time just watching
this. What the fuck is going on?
I would have lost my fucking shit, dude.
I would have lost it, man. No, no, no, no, no, no.

(01:03:23):
Nobody pays. Attention to that kind of stuff
anymore because we're all so distracted by everything, right?
So, but yeah, I, I would like todo that one day.
I would like to make that like an experiment that I do go, go
find a place and sit down and just really take note of like
who and what is happening and just see like if there is this
cyclical pattern of these MPCS just doing their thing.

(01:03:49):
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Mike is an MPC. There's an MPC in our
neighborhood, this guy that justwalks around every time I look
outside. You got to understand that
there's a difference between NPCS and people who just did a
lot of drugs when they were young.
OK. Yeah, I did that, but I'm not an
MPC, all right? There's.

(01:04:10):
A. There's a difference.
We all, we all know that. That person that just fried
their fucking brain out kid. Says, Have you ever seen your
neighbors bring in their groceries?
No, no, no, I haven't. But.
Oh shit, so there's another one too, right?
That that's a. That's a good point, kid.
That's a good point. Have you ever seen your fucking

(01:04:30):
neighbors bring in their groceries?
No, not ever. Have I ever.
Nope. But.
There's another one and I saw, Isaw a fucking a video of
somebody. De fucking.
Whatever in this right, debunking debunking this and it

(01:04:53):
didn't make fucking sense, but like in the comments, they're
like, yeah, good, because I I knew this was bullshit.
You ever fucking you ever fucking heard the the thing
about the the buses? The.
Width of buses. It's like a portal.

(01:05:16):
Dude, look at the look at the width of the lane on the road
right? A two way or two lane St. 4
lanes total 2 going this way, 2 going the other way.
Now stand in the middle of that one of those lanes in the road.

(01:05:38):
Put your arms out. OK, You're like OK cool, I could
probably go from the white dotted line to the yellow solid
line right now. Put yourself in a fucking bus
and do the same thing. Could your fingers come anywhere
close to those walls, you know? I have first hand experience
with this. I don't know if you remember

(01:05:58):
this, Jeremy, but when you and Imet online here and I started
being in this podcast with you, I was living in an RV.
Yes. And I, I can tell you for sure
that when I was inside that RV's, you think about this all
the time, like bro, how does this thing fit on the road?
And then I drive around town andI'm behind an RV and I'm like,

(01:06:21):
it's, it's not much wider than my car, which I can easily touch
both doors of inside of. Yeah.
But when I was inside the RV, I'd be like, what the fuck,
dude? Like, yeah.
This guy, this guy who was debunking this, took a fucking
tape measure, went inside. He's like, look, man, it's
fucking, it's fucking 8 feet, blah, blah, blah.
And he goes outside. He's like, look, man, it's

(01:06:43):
fucking 9 feet. Look, you guys are just fucking
idiots. And I'm like, dude, fuck you,
OK? That's that's fucking with your
perception. You're a fucking you're a
dipshit. The.
Simulation is, is tweaking its programming.
When somebody goes to measure it, it's like, it's like the,
the, the, what do you call it? A fucking like some
Schrodinger's cat type thing or something.

(01:07:04):
You know it's it's. Some fucked up shit, man.
Like I, I got goosebumps right now just talking about this
shit, man. Like I seriously do.
And like, think about it, man. Some, some buses, OK, if you're
sitting in a fucking car or a truck or a fucking Blazer,
right? One fucking Tahoes or whatever,

(01:07:24):
you're sitting a person in a bucket seat up front and a
person in a bucket seat in the passenger seat, and usually have
enough room if there was a seat to sit in, like one of those
captain chairs in the middle, right?
And if it was a bench. But some of those buses can sit
3 fucking people on one seat andthen an aisle with three more

(01:07:46):
people in another fucking seat on the other side of the aisle.
How the fuck is that? How the fuck does that happen?
Man? You really?
Want your mind blown? Go next time.
You're like, no, I don't. Next time.
No, next time, next time you're scrolling through random videos
on the Internet, like specifically search RV's, OK,

(01:08:07):
because I'm telling you bro, they've been coming up on my
feet a lot because I'm actually thinking about trying to get one
soon right. I'm going to use that Bitcoin to
get one get wrecked. But some of these RV's, bro,
they have like full size kitchens with residential size
refrigerators, dishwashers, hugefucking farmhouse sinks, an
island in the middle in the kitchen right?

(01:08:30):
A king size bed in the bedroom with enough room to walk around
it and a closet and a washer dryer in there.
And I'm thinking that doesn't fit.
That does not fit 10 yet. Just watch some of those videos
and look at the insides when they're like walking around like
look how beautiful this RV is and just look at it.
Just when you look at it and you'll be like no way, no way.

(01:08:55):
Yeah, man, I, I, I don't know, man.
I just got a comment. Crystal and Ken's are having,
they're conversating about the OUS and stuff.
Just so you know, that's British.
That's like English. I I only know that because I had
to look it up because I wrote, Iread a whole series of books

(01:09:17):
from auk author that did a wholebunch of shit like that and all
that. Is that like?
Aluminium I just. Forgot that Canadians do it too.
Is that like? Aluminium versus aluminium.
I don't know this is. Why we won the war, Just saying.
Yeah, but yes, one of my favorite Rick and Morty episodes

(01:09:40):
is the Parmesian universe. So funny.
Love it. You guys don't watch Rick and
Morty? No, I've.
I've watched some of it. Parmesian.
Well, there's 11 weird thing about this universe.
What's that they say? Parmesan.
Weird. What do they say?
Parmesan. Oh fuck, Rick.

(01:10:00):
Really. I love it.
Kinzer says yeah, as Canadians use British English.
Well, here's your fucking problem.
Fucking communists. Anyways, Parmesian didn't land
anyways. Yeah, no, the the bust thing,

(01:10:21):
the bust thing I think is that'slike one of the big mind
blowers, man. It just whenever I think about
it and then people like when, when I, when I see that every
once in a while I'll see it posted on like X or something
and I'll read to the comments and then I'll see people, people
will, will post comments being like, you guys are fucking

(01:10:42):
idiots and be like, that's dead Internet right there, right
there. That's dead Internet trying to
start shit right there, right there.
Motherfucker found you. And then all the people that are
like, yeah, dude, fuck that shit.
That shit's fucking wild. Those are all real people.
All of them. Any fucking motherfucker in

(01:11:04):
there that's like, no, all you guys are just fucking dumb,
that's all. Dead Internet trying to start
shit. Yep.
Yep, literally I believe that fuck.
Them. Fuck them.
Fuck them, that's. Funny, dude.
That's funny, dude. Yeah.
Now that guy, he took a fucking tape measure in there and he's

(01:11:25):
like, look, man, I'm going to measure this for you.
And I was like, dude, I was like, this guy's going to go in
there with the fucking tape measure.
Are you fucking kidding me? Like stop it probably.
You probably got a broken tape measure dude.
Like do. You not, do you not understand
that you're stepping into a whole world inside that bus that
is, that is like outside of yourperception of understanding,

(01:11:49):
Like, do you not understand? Like, yeah.
Another crazy one is trains. You're.
You're seeing the inside of a train.
Like I've been in trains. But hold on, let me let me see
where you're going with this. It's the same.
Concept. When you look at the size of the
train tracks, they're not that wide when you look in when you

(01:12:13):
go inside a train, dude, they got fucking rooms with beds in
there. Same thing where you could have
four to six people easily sitting across with an aisle,
you know? But they hangover like they they
hangover not. By much.
True. I mean, I I can't say that I'm
too familiar with that though. The bus.

(01:12:34):
One's easier to comprehend because we all drive around on
roads. Not everybody gets on trains,
you know, but. That that's an everyday thing
that's in your fucking face. Like that's you can't get around
that shit. But the same thing applies for
trains. Like I'm telling you, you know,
every time you see a train or you're like near a train track,
just like walk up to the train track and just look at it for a
second and then like think aboutit.

(01:12:54):
It's. Got to be a.
Compulsory. Apartment thing, like you're
inside of something and it's kind of mess up, like some sort
of perception. I don't know man.
Train center, like hotels that have a room on one side, the
whole estate room on one side like a hotel room, a big ass
aisle and then another one on the other side.
Yeah, it's. Like a.
Two person suite with a full king size bed?

(01:13:15):
Yep. And you still have room where
you can't reach wall to wall. Yep.
So how does that math math? How does that math math?
Literally, yeah. No, it's a portal.
You're stepping into a portal ofsome kind.
I don't know what the deal is with it, but yeah, it's.
It's weird, man, you know, and it's it, it's like, I don't

(01:13:42):
know, man. The, the people who who take a
tape measure and they're like, look, we're going to measure the
outside of this bus and it's like, bam, it's 8 feet.
And then they go in the inside and they're like, look, dumbass,
it's also 8 feet. And you're like, listen dumbass,
you're just not understanding what I'm talking about.
You know, like, don't be stupid So because.

(01:14:07):
There's got to be that layering in the inside for safety
features. Yeah, I'm telling you, you're
stepping through a portal or something.
If it's, if it's. 8 feet on the outside.
It's physically impossible for it to be 8 feet on the inside
because you have material. I mean it's.
It's, you know, on a bus, it's pretty thin, right?
It's it's sheet metal. It's not like the world's

(01:14:29):
thickest insulated material, right?
RV yeah, there's probably some pretty good insulation there on
ARV. And and the difference isn't
crazy big, right? We're not talking 10 feet, but
it's, it's enough to be perceived, right?
So whoever designed the simulation fucked up, right?

(01:14:55):
It's it's definitely a design flaw.
It's a pocket dimension bro. Buses are pocket dimensions.
It's a that's a good way to to look at it.
Yeah. That's, that's a, that's not a
bad, that's not not a bad person.
That's not that, that's a good, good one.
I like that, yeah. You're welcome.

(01:15:17):
Yeah. Totally the lamest pocket
dimension ever. But yeah, like, come on man,
let's jump in my pocket dimension.
Let's get high. I got black lights in my pocket
dimension. Go look.
At tiny house bus conversions same thing.
You're going to be like how the fuck is there a whole kitchen in

(01:15:39):
here? King size bed bro like I've.
Seen some cool ass fucking bus conversions.
Katie's friend, Katie's, my wife's childhood friend, did a
bus conversion and I've caught pictures of it a couple times in
our relationship, like on Katie's Facebook and stuff, and
that was pretty cool. That fits.
In a lane, apparently. Yeah, I don't, I don't know if

(01:16:01):
it's mobile. I think I, I think it's
stationary. I'm not sure it's.
Definitely stuff at the point, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. If it was, yeah.
But anyways, the reason why I wanted to bring up the SIM
theory wasn't necessarily because of buses, but it was
more along the lines of NPCS, right?
It's just sometimes, man, I can't remember what it was.

(01:16:27):
I should have wrote it down. I got to get better at this.
But I had, I had a run in with somebody that I remember it had
to do it. I was at Walmart.
And where else would you have a fucking run in with an NPC?
Of course it'd be at Walmart. I can't remember exactly what it
was. I just remember like I was at
Walmart and I was there to get AI was just I was specifically

(01:16:55):
there to get a. Side cut, yeah.
I was getting getting cleaner for my tractor's battery
terminals and I was like, I, I had some, some sort of something
with somebody and I was like, that's a fucking NPC and.
What was it they were like? I used to be an adventurer like

(01:17:16):
you. Oh yeah, that's right.
So I, I went to the, the car battery section because I was
looking for battery terminal cleaner or like, you know,
something I could spray on it and kind of clean it with a,
with a, a steel brush. And this guy who had a, a

(01:17:37):
Walmart vest on or whatever. He was just standing there
looking at, he was like right inthe corner in the auto section
where the batteries are. And there were these pegs on the
wall where, you know, there was just a bunch of different little
things having to deal with cars,you know, Gator clips for

(01:18:01):
multimeters and stuff. And there was a couple cans of
spray that were right, right there in front of them.
And I was like, I bet you one ofthose sprays is what I need
'cause they're right there next to the batteries.
And I'm like, excuse me, Sir. Excuse me, Sir.
Excuse me. Hey, hey, bud.

(01:18:24):
Hey, hey, man. Hey.
All right. Fuck.
OK. So I'm like looking around them,
I'm like, shit, I'm like, are you all right?
Hey. And I'm like looking around.
I'm like, is there anybody else here?
Like what the fuck is going on here?
There's nobody else around me. And I'm like, holy shit.

(01:18:48):
And I'm like, I'm looking aroundfor just any signs of anything
moving. Like anything like this is like
the moment where like if I was outside, I was looking at the
trees to see the see if the leaves are moving.
Like it was like that kind of moment in my life, like in my
did time freeze, like like what's going on here?

(01:19:08):
And I'm like, shit. So I walked out like towards the
electronic section and then I seen a woman at the the counter
in electronic section and she was doing inventory or
something. I was like, oh, OK, OK, good,
good. So then I walked back and he was
gone. I was like, that's fucking

(01:19:29):
weird, dude, that was weird 'cause I, I like started yelling
like trying to get his attentionlike hey man, you, you good, are
we all right here? Like then he.
Turns to look at you slowly and he says you must walk the 10,000
steps of high Wrath God to meet with the grey beards.
And I was like, is that from a movie?

(01:19:51):
Skyrim. It's also from Skyrim.
Jesus Christ and. I had to be like, 'cause I don't
watch movies, man. I don't, I don't watch movies.
And he'd be like, yeah, it's from a movie.
I don't, I'm like, all right, yeah, I didn't get that, but my
name's Jeremy. Nice meeting you, but I need to
see what's in front of you. Sure enough, where he was
standing was exactly what I needed.

(01:20:14):
So I was pretty damn convinced that I had a run in with an PC
or he. Was maybe he was deaf?
But but you know how like you come across those those moments
in games where it's like, man, you can't, you can't get past
this part until you unlock another portion of the game that

(01:20:35):
you have to achieve this other thing, right.
Maybe I just needed to see that Lady count counting the the pop
it things for the back of their phone like these things right
could. Have been it was just like pre
programmed right? Maybe.
Maybe I needed that achievement.So I got I got my pop it
achievement and then I, I walkedback and that path is clear and

(01:20:57):
I got my shit and I checked out and I was able to find out that
it wasn't my battery that was myproblem.
I'm a tracker. Or maybe he just hated his job
and he heard you and he was justlike, fuck this guy girl.
Like I'm not. It's like I don't.
If I don't move, he can't see me.
If I don't move, it won't see me, you know?

(01:21:18):
Man, I, I, I thought of a bunch of different things, Like the
dude did have long hair. And like, part of me was
thinking like, part of me was like, maybe he just had Earpods
in, man. And he just didn't hear me.
Like, maybe I should have tappedhim on the shoulder.
But I was like, man, maybe I don't want to do that because
maybe this dude's going to turn around and punch me in the face.
I don't know, right. So I was like, so I didn't do

(01:21:39):
it. But then again, maybe I was just
trapped in my little spot in thevideo game where I was supposed
to go do something different so.It's funny.
Yeah, that's pretty funny. I'm.
I'm happy I remember that though, but that's why that's
I'm happy. I remembered that because that
was that was a few couple coupleweeks ago and I wanted to talk

(01:22:02):
about that. I'm happy we got that out.
That was good. Most of the.
Guys I work with are MPCS. Yeah.
Oh yeah, 100% Or they're just retarded.
I don't know but. Mostly, most of the guys I work
with are actually good dudes. Fan, you can see, you can see
the gears ticking when they're when they're thinking.

(01:22:24):
That's good, man. I can't.
Say that for all my interactionsthat I have in life, but the
guys I work with, the guys that I'm responsible for at least
great well. When you meet kid, I need
verification that kid is a real human.

(01:22:45):
I will let you know I can verifySkeeter Skeeter's a real.
I was there. I.
Met Skeeter. Oh yeah.
You did. You did OK.
Yeah. Skeeter's.
Skeeter's a real human. I will let you know about kid.
I'll let you know if you that's if you believe that I'm a really
human. Well, I.
Mean I came up there and met you.
You met me. You met my avatar here.

(01:23:12):
God, I was blue. I had a tail and I lived on
Pandora. You know that.
But you I. Knew it.
I knew it because I have kids and I was forced to watch the
movie. Well, force your kids to watch
Star Wars. No, because I also fell asleep
during Avatar God. Jeremy.

(01:23:36):
Yeah. Why don't you just put on Star
Wars and put the subtitles on? It's like reading a book.
No, because I'll just read a book and work on the podcast.
All right, well, I tried everybody, dude.
I don't I like man, I wish, I wish that I had the attention
span to sit and watch a sci-fi movie that didn't have to deal

(01:23:59):
with horror. I wish I did, but I I like
horror movies, man, and that's what I what I watch.
I watch sci-fi horror or I watchsomething, some kind of mind
fuckery movies. I like that kind of stuff.
I can watch that stuff. It keeps my attention.
I can't, I can't just watch, youknow, sci-fi adventure, you

(01:24:23):
know, brother, fuck sister kind of thing out in the middle of
space. I can't.
I can't watch that someone. 'S attention.
It's. Jeremy, we're talking about
here. We sat in the.
Living room like a year and a half ago and watched all of them
yeah we. Did Yeah, Succession.
We watched all of them. Yeah, I'd probably, I'd sleep
through all of them. I could do it.

(01:24:45):
I could probably do it. I just.
Jack you up with a bunch of caffeine and then put one of the
movies on. That way you can't fall asleep.
Yeah, waking you. Up and you start to fall asleep.
We're going to. Pin your eyes, we're going to
stick you in the Montauk chair and we're going to fucking peel
your eyelids back. And then you're going to give me
coke and then my eyes are going to be peeled open and then I'm
start snoring and be like. Because if you if you let

(01:25:13):
yourself relax, you can't breathe, so you have to stay
like this. Pro Strain Chair I I.
Got I got sleep out. Get you a jail.
Chair, you'll stay awake. Oh, did I ever tell you I was in
the Navy? And we'll put a spit mask on him
too, bro. I've slept in some weird fucking
places. You've.
Slept in a pro strain chair. I've slept in some weird fucking

(01:25:36):
places. I've I also have sleep apnea so
I sleep with a mask on my face. I can sleep in some weird
situations. You'd be surprised you won't let
you fall. Asleep.
I'm a champ. Champ.
You. Are Darth Vader.
Yeah. Oh, dude, you have no idea.
It's awesome. It is awesome.

(01:25:57):
I die without my mask and I still sleep.
Yeah. Jesus Christ.
Yep. Even.
While fully entertained by Star Wars and all of the sparks in
the world, how would. You know you've not watched
them. That's.
True. That's true.

(01:26:20):
I can't with this guy. I want a milkshake.
Dude, I would also like a milkshake.
I got to go back to work tonight.
Gross. That suck.
And I got to go back to work fora few hours.
But all right, let's, let's hangher up so that we can hammer out
some details with what we have lined up and try to get some

(01:26:44):
things worked out so that all ofour listeners can also enjoy the
things that we've been enjoying.OK all.
Right, everybody? Well, this was a special live
broadcast of Friday night, Infinite Rabbit Hole, which will

(01:27:07):
be brought to you on Monday morning.
Brought to you by Pfizer. Not brought to you by Pfizer.
Brought to you by Portal buses everywhere.
Take that as you will. Could be kinky, could not be.
It's up to you. How do you want it?
I like mine with black lights. You take yours how you want.

(01:27:33):
Anyways, I'm Jeremy. This is the infinite rabbit
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He has a headphone on his forehead.
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