233. Coco Sian Ryder: Hidden Shadows of a Secret World

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Welcome back to The Infinite Rabbit Hole.
I'm your host, Jeremy, and tonight we have a special guest,
somebody who is going to break open her story, let us see
beneath the covers what went on and what goes on in her life and
her family's. I like to introduce everybody

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today to Coco Sayon writer, our guest coming in all the way from
halfway across the world. How are you today, Coco?
How am I this morning at 3:30 AM?
I'm half decent, thank you. So so tell us, tell us a story.

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You you took a three hour nap ish.
No, I tried to take a nap and I couldn't sleep at all.
I took a nap around 2:00 today, 2:00 PM and and that didn't
really satiate my my need for sleep at all.
I've been like suffering from severe insomnia for like 3 days

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so I'm surprised I am functioning at all, but it might
actually work to our benefit that I'm slightly tired.
Slightly tired. I also got a little shot of
adrenaline just before recordingthis.
Evening. Or she's she's in the Theta,
she's got Theta brain waves going on right now since she's
like, so she's going to be locked in.

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She's going to be in that flow state the whole time.
Watch. I hope so.
I hope so. I really hope.
So, so Jeff, do you have anything before we get into
this? No, not really.
As Spectrum Assassin has noticed, I have achieved matter

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displacement. I am no longer on the couch, I
am here at the desk. So teleportation confirmed.
Yeah, she, the boss of the house, let him move off the
couch. That's good.
Yeah, honestly, the couch is cool and it's a it's a good
frame, but it's not comfortable to sit on for an hour, 2 hours,

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whatever. So I just moved back to the game
chair. It's just more comfortable.
Feels more professional to sit at the desk now.
Yeah, but you know, I'm not a professional guy.
Look at me. You know, like sleep.
On camera all the time. Yeah, I fall asleep on the couch
midstream like you. Look, you look pretty
professional to me. Thanks I appreciate it.
Shout out the tesseract by the way I got all the tesseract

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merch on I'm tesseract now and Iwas like.
What is going on here? Fanboyed out.
My partner specifically works with all those kinds of shapes
in his artwork. Awesome.
That is awesome. Yeah.
So Coco, you are here to tell usa a bit of a story today, story

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of your life. You come from quite the lineage,
lineage of celebrity right artists, specifically your
father and grandfather, your father.
Now most of our our listeners are US based.

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We do have some from overseas aswell, but for our our US based
listenership, just to kind of explain who your father is.
Your father is Shawn, writer, lead singer of the Happy
Mondays. Now, not a lot of us over here

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are familiar with the Happy Mondays, but a lot of people
over there are very familiar with.
Yeah, his fame, his mainly his success is in the UK.
He was one of The Pioneers of the late 80s, early 90s rave
music scene in Manchester and London.

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And they formed kind of particular music called Mad
Chester or baggy music, which was rave music but done with
like real life instruments like drums and bass and Todd stuff
like that. And they used to throw out bags
of ecstasy to the crowd and stuff.

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And so, yeah, he was quite famous in Japan for a while.
And I'm sure there's maybe one or two other countries where he
got quite famous, like probably Brazil.
But yeah, he's now more of a television personality in the
UK. He does a lot of TV shows and

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comedy shows and stuff like that.
My grandfather, on the other hand, is the global, you know,
worldwide famous guy. Yeah, your your grandfather is
incredibly famous. Donovan.
When I, I, so I, I, I called my dad the other day and I was

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like, hey, just just off a whim,I was like, hey, Dad, do you, do
you know of a, of a, of a Scottish singer-songwriter folk
music artist named Donovan? He's like, yeah, yeah.
I, I went and saw him at Wesleyan University in 1970
something. And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah.
And it's like, yeah, yeah. Donovan.

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He goes mellow yellow man. Yeah, of course I know, I know
Donovan. Yeah.
And he's like, he's like, hell yeah, Your Uncle Joe Donovan
too. And I'm like, yeah, well, I'm,
I'm interviewing his granddaughter tomorrow and and
he's like, no fucking way, man. It's like, I was like, yeah, I
was like, so that's it's, it's really cool.

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That's really cool. Donovan is wow.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always really enjoy when I see
people's face light up when theyfind out who my grandfather is
because they're really fans of the music and it obviously
really moved them in a big way. And I love, I love seeing that.

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And he just got. Abducted into the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame too, didn't he? I think that was like 2014,
yeah. Yeah, something like that.
I can't remember, but it wasn't it wasn't that long ago, it.
Wasn't that long? Just awesome.
Just awesome stuff. But wait, I'm so I'm sorry, I
don't mean to just like jump in here on this for a second.

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So his backing musicians were John Bonham, Jimmy Page and John
Paul Jones. Well, he worked with so many
musicians. I mean, he's a, he's a folk
singer, so he's got his guitar, he's got his harmonica, and it's
usually him alone up on stage. But then he does a lot of work

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where he gets together with a lot of other musicians and
session musicians and they make these incredible albums.
And he rarely does concerts where he has other musicians
join him on stage, so. Yeah, Jeff, Jeff, he had a
really strong tie with the the founding members of Led
Zeppelin, dude. Yeah, that's, that's what I'm
saying. That's pretty cool because I did

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see that there was like something somewhere about him
teaching John Lennon the finger picking guitar style, which is
insane, right? I'm not like the biggest Beatles
fan. I mean, I got respect.
I'm a musician as well, so like,obviously I respect the legends
for being the legends, but I'm ahuge Led Zeppelin fan, so like.

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That's Oh yeah, me too. I got to meet Jimmy Page.
Is it Jimmy Page? Yeah.
Jimmy Page? Yeah, the guitar player.
Yeah, I got to meet him a coupleof times and his daughter.
They did a concert in the Royal Albert Hall several years ago
where they performed The Hurdy Gurdy Man together and a couple

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of other songs. So I think The Hurdy Gurdy Man
was originally that song was being designed for the upcoming
band Led Zeppelin, but they gaveit to Don and then he wrote the
lyrics for it and it was like new for him to go in the sort of
rock'n'roll direction. And Jimmy Page originally did

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the guitars on that. He also, which is very unknown,
that I kind of only found out recently, he did the vocals on
Alice Cooper's Million Dollar Baby.
Yeah. So that was really interesting
to find that out. They were, they were both in the
same studio. And Alice Cooper had like some

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backing singers, like some ladies, and they weren't quite
getting what he was going for. And he went into the studio and
he said, Don, I want you to comein here and I want you to sing
this for me. And I want to show you, show
these ladies what I'm looking for.
And he did it and they decided to keep it.
And he was never credited for it. $1,000,000 Baby.

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Hate to see that, but yeah, that's cool.
That's pretty awesome. That.
Is phenomenal. So I could sit here and talk
about this stuff all night long or morning long in your case,
right? We can have a cup of cup of
coffee and or tea and just talk about it and trust me, I I

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could, but you're here to tell astory.
Uh huh. And this is where I'm going to
basically hand over the mic and Jeff and I will just kind of
jump in whenever you know something pops up.
But This is why you're here, right?
This is your platform. This is this is your opportunity

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and you tell it in any way that you want anyway whatsoever and.
I've been preparing all these notes and gathered all my books
together and all this stuff liketrying to prepare on what to
say. And in the end, I just kind of
was like, just go with the flow and whatever comes out comes

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out, you know, all the books here and everything.
That's the best way. Yeah.
Yeah, we're. Here, we're here.
Fortunately, I'm slightly cognitively impaired because I'm
like, I don't even know how I'm functioning right now, but I am.

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But yeah, I think I can more or less get the story out.
Honestly, I don't really know why I'm doing this.
I don't know what's possessed meto be suddenly like, OK, I'm
going to, I'm going to tell the world or the world my my story.
I just feel like, you know, I'd rather live a normal life and,

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you know, have some babies and raise some chickens and, you
know, dance to The Bloodhound Gang in my room half naked in
the middle of nowhere and have fun and enjoy myself.
But the reality is that I've hadthese insane experiences and
I've learned a lot of things that I should not have learned,

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and I could go the rest of my life not sharing them.
But what was What's the point ofgoing through these things if
you don't, If you don't share all this knowledge?
Yeah. Like it would be a waste, you
know, I got to start at some point, so.
Well, you're, you're telling thestory to two friends.

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That's all you're doing, all right.
Thanks, I appreciate that. Yeah, just pretend there's not 8
million people watching live right now.
There's. Definitely.
Not. We can all push there was, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now that might be different on
the next show that you go to that.
Well, I don't know. They don't, They don't have a

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lot of followers. They don't have that many
followers, so. They got more than this one.
I mean it may be like 100,000 people will see.
Oh yeah, No, that's it. No big deal yeah 100,000 yeah.

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Easy money, yeah yeah. Jeez.
Well, you. Know I, I, I don't really want
to do it, but as I said, I, I think I should.
So here I am. I'm also starting my own podcast
and I, you know, like to get fewpeople that are interested in

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that. I'm not really going to talk
about what I'm going to share here on my podcast.
I'm going to talk about the occult, magic and mysticism to
try and demystify, let's say no,It's got a really bad name for
itself in recent years because of all of the sort of satanic

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imagery and all of the crazy shit going on these days in the
music industry, the entertainment industry in
general. There's a lot of weird shit
going on all over the world. And so the occult has gotten a
bad Rep and rightfully so, because it's being used in such
sick and twisted ways to manipulate the people across the

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world. But in reality, it's it's a tool
that can be used for good or it can be used for bad.
And it's just basically the architectural makeup of the
universe that we live in. So I kind of want to, I don't
want to talk about that, but right now we're going to talk

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about my story, which I guess isthe use of magic and mind
control within the entertainment, which is from my
personal point of view and perspective because of the world
that I was born into and grew upin.
But in reality, these kinds of systems of control and magic are

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used by occult groups on anyone or towards anyone that they find
useful or interesting. So it could be politicians or it
could be literally just say likeyou got a Freemason and he has a
daughter who has, who is born gifted or has a very powerful

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astrology chart. And they'll notice that and see
that and they'll this, this person might never do anything
in their life that influences the world in any way.
They might not become a politician or a singer or
whatever, but they have a certain energetic power about
them. And these cult like groups,
especially Freemasons, they surround these people and they

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harvest their energy and they use their energy.
And this is where the unbelievable aspect comes in is
because we're talking about energy and we're talking about
magic. And not everyone's going to
believe that magic is real. And I don't, I'm not trying to
prove anything, but that's the direction.

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That's the direction of the conversation.
I'm not going to get into like, oh, I, I was part of a ritual
and I saw all this weird stuff happening.
There's plenty of people out there who are talking about the
stuff that they've seen happening.
But in my experience, I was never brought into all of that
because they only bring people into that stuff that they can

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corrupt or control or people that are disposable.
I, it's very hard talking about this stuff because I've
basically kept it a secret for 10 years.
Well, I'm 31 now and I kind of stumbled upon all of these

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secrets when I was 19 by accident in a sort of Eyes Wide
Shut kind of style. Completely different scenario,
but the same kind of story in the sense that it wasn't, you
know, big fancy mansions and stuff like that.
It was more in a nightclub sceneand stuff like that.

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Or I was hanging out in a certain place and I noticed all
of these things around, all of these symbols and all of these
things going on. And I was young, I was 19, and I
was a bit arrogant. And I considered myself like I
was going through the my kind ofspiritual awakening where I was
noticing things and feeling things.
And I thought that I was smart and interesting and I thought

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I'd go and investigate this place.
And I did. I investigated and I asked
questions. And my life was never the same
after that. From that point onwards, it was
just an escalation of insane events.

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So that was like my lifting of the veil basically when I
started asking these questions, because at the time I was always
into, you know, conspiracy theories and stuff.
So I was reading about Freemasonry and symbolism and
all of the occult stuff and going on in the entertainment
industry and I was spending a lot of time in the Internet and

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I see this stuff in this place and I'm like, hmm, I recognize
this stuff. I bet you something strange is
going on here. And then the Eyes Wide Shut kind
of stuff happened. You know, people start following
you and people start asking you questions and all of these
unusual things start happening. And then after that, we'll go

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more into detail about that in alittle bit.
But after that, I kind of discovered this whole world
around me where I was living. And then it started to trigger a
lot of things, like started making connections about myself
and my family and realizing thatthis kind of stuff has been

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happening to me and my family for a very long time.
This isn't just something I've stumbled upon.
This is something that we've been involved in my whole life.
Do you have any questions? Jeff.

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Not yet. I mean, obviously like I'm
curious at what some of these experiences are and and some of
these stuff, you know, I'm personally the conspiracy guy on
this show too, so I can relate to you on that.
So I'm sure when you start kind of getting into it, it's going
to probably like it's going to hit so.
No, I'm again, feel free to, youknow, just deny answers

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perfectly. OK.
Do you mind expanding upon what some of these things that caught
your interests were? Yeah.
So within the club there was quite about a lot of symbolism

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around. You had the black and white
tiled floors that were specifically centered in the in
the center of the venue in a sort of square that went down on
a couple of steps. And then you had these
sculptures around. It's kind of like Bacchanalian

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Greek sculptures with the grapesand things like that.
And I noticed within and around the property, all of the female
sculptures had had their noses taken off.
And these are new sculptures, you know, they're not ancient
sculptures. All of the noses had been taken
off. And the nose for the woman is a

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symbol of, of their ability and capacity to sense a correct
mate. And this kind of place is the
kind of place where people go tomeet and, you know, have fun and
maybe end up having sex with someone, right?

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It's a it's a nightlife kind of place.
And so I found that interesting.And I noticed that the visuals
that they played on the on the wall when the music was playing
were all really dark and twistedfucking things.
I remember just kind of dancing and looking up and thinking what

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the fuck am I watching and looking around at the people
completely oblivious to this. And then I kind of like looked
at the corners and the kind of people standing around and I
started asking some some questions to the people around
and they all had the same kind of reaction.
And what else can I tell you? Even the name of the place,

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which I'm not going to say is a reference to an old myth about
some kind of monster in a cave that ate these three young
women. And eventually over the years,

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I, I noticed something about thenightlife scene specifically
where I grew up, that they use alot of Mayan symbolism and
there's just a lot of dark stuff, 'cause you got to
understand that the, the nightlife scene, it's all to do

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with the criminal networks and the whole thing.
It's all connected. Cults, criminal networks,
politicians, military, it's all one big network.
So yeah, at a certain point I decided, and I have no fucking

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idea why I decided I would ask aparticular person who's like the
main face of this place what wasgoing on.
So after an event I went up to him and I asked him what's going
on. And of course he said I have no
idea what you're talking about. And then like 2 days later, I

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was followed by a blue car. And this has never happened to
me before in my life, never experienced any kind of
following or stalking or anything like that.
And they use specific colors like blue and red, things like
that to capture your attention Isuppose.
And then I thought, well, that'sa bit odd, that's a bit strange.

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And a few days later, I'm walking up towards the church or
down from the church, and I noticed someone, like, really
like, following me. And I stopped, and I looked
behind, and they stopped. And they made it really obvious
that they were following me, like, overly trying to show me
that they were following me. This was done on purpose.

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Yeah. They want you to know that we're
following you and then at a certain point, this is when
things after like a couple of months like this of all of these
strange things happening. This is something that they put
a lot of, let's say, initiates through people like celebrities

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and stuff like that. It's the classic symbolism of
the devil at the crossroads where they meet you at the
crossroads. And you'll notice in a lot of
films what they do is they they,they'll get, they'll get in the
car with this devil that they meet at the the crossroads and
this devil will drive the car really fast in a very kind of

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scary way to freak the person out there.
There's a few films, there's oneincredible film where Samuel
Jackson plays the devil and he does exactly that.
I can't think of any other filmsat the moment, but yeah, I was
hanging out on my balcony when this guy parks a car out front

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my apartment and asked me to come downstairs.
So I do, and I get in the car with him.
We talked for a while and I get in the car with him and he
starts driving like a madman, obviously.
And he takes me to this apartment complex.
And the apartment complex is brand new and it's very luxury
and it doesn't have anyone living in it yet.

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And we, it's just him in this huge luxury apartment complex by
the sea. We go in, we sit down, we talk,
we roll a joint. And there's a few things in the
room, symbolic things like some kind of wooden, wooden kind of

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sculpture with a kind of phallicsymbolism.
And then there's a box in the center of the table with some
batteries in it and a few other strange kind of symbolic things.
We start talking and stuff and Inotice at a certain point a
light comes on in the apartment complex that's in front of us

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and we can see it out the the windows.
It's like, not windows, it's a glass doors that goes on to the
balcony and the light comes on and you can see it's what kind
of lighting is that when it's from the back.
So the, the person, it just looks like a shadow.
And the light is, yeah, like a silhouette.
And he's there sitting at the table like this, and he's

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looking down at us from this apartment.
And this is where things startedto get really weird.
I can't remember exactly the details of the conversation.
I had been smoking weed for manyyears, never had any problems.
But after this day, I was never,I've never been able to smoke

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weed again because of the paranoia that it induces.
At a certain point, we leave, we're walking through the
hallway and there's a cricket inthe hallway.
And he goes to step on it to kill it.
And I'm like, I'm going to kill this little thing.
And I'm like, don't fucking killthat.

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It's a symbol of the conscience,right?
He turns around to me and he says, by the way, they're all
pedophiles randomly. And then when we get to the
exit, he says we get to the exitof this luxury complex.
He, he says, if you ever need me, if you ever need anything,

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if you want to live in an apartment like this and you want
to get a good job, you come hereand you put this code inside the
keypad to get inside the luxury complex.
It was in the shape of an Li can't remember which numbers it
was said. I can help you.

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I can help you get a find a niceapartment get a nice job and all
that stuff. Obviously I can't understood
what's going on. I don't know if you guys this is
making any sense to you guys because I hope I'm making enough
sense. I'm.

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Actually, go ahead and Jeremy. No, I was just going to say, I
mean, it's, it's making sense. I'm following the story, but I
don't, I don't think we're meantto be put in the position where
we're supposed to feel like we're, we're fully, I don't

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know, like feeling like we're first person because this isn't,
this isn't something that's going to happen to us or
something that has happened to us.
This is an incredible story so far.
Yeah, yeah. I am.
I am locked in. Very interested by the way.
Well, it's just a a little introduction to the rest to, to,

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to tell you where it kind of allbegan and what opened my eyes to
all of this strange stuff, Jeff.You were saying?
Oh, I was just going to say it'sjust interesting because I've,
I've spoken to one other person on my show before and they have
a similar story thus far, right.Obviously, like a lot of details

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weren't exactly the same, but like when you're talking about
somebody following them, you talked about like some of the
symbolism. Obviously, I'm familiar with
some of that symbolism just in my conspiratorial, you know,
studies, if you will. But I spoke to somebody else who
also was followed and then had that whole Devil on the

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crossroads experience. And then, you know, that person
ended up going on to being in a couple of different secret
societies later on in his life. So pretty interesting.
Well, me being a retarded 19 year old, having no fucking idea
what I was doing, just just having fun, seeing what I'm
capable of and and proving to myself that my intuition is

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correct. That's basically all I was
doing. I had no interest in joining
these people. None whatsoever.
The next day I woke up and I took my time.
I oh the guy gave me his phone number on a piece of paper.
He said you can call me as well.I went to the beach.

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I went to the beach and I sat down on a bench and I waited.
I waited. I waited, I waited and
eventually someone showed up. And these people, these kinds of
goon people, they all have the same kind of look, kind of like
the character from what's that Quentin Tarantino movie with the

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the car, Death Proof. You seen that movie with Kurt
Russell? I don't watch a lot of movies.
Karen He's never seen a single movie in his life.
I'm not the guy for movies. You're not a movie guy.
All right, that's, that's interesting.
ANYWAYS, this guy shows up and he sits behind me and he has he

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makes it very evident that he has an eagle tattooed on his
neck, which is obviously the sign of being watched.
I took out my piece of paper andI made it very clear that it had
the number of this guy on it. And I did a little prayer and I

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burnt it. And then I lit some sage and I
burnt it. And I made it clear that, you
know, I'm not interested in any of this.
And then that's when the following became more like
harassment. And I went from this very fun,

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happy kind of hippie ish teenager over the next few years
to being more. Well, there was a certain point
where I just didn't leave my apartment because people were
breaking into my apartment, moving stuff around, leaving
shit there. And it got weird.
And few things happened that were very traumatic that I don't

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know if I really want to mentionbecause I don't want to give,
don't even give anyone any ideas.
But yeah, there was a few thingsthat happened that were really
sick and traumatic that made make you go through what is
called like the silence programming.
When you discover these things, they put you through a series of

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traumatic things that basically tell you keep your mouth shut,
you know? And so I did.
I kept my mouth shut for 10 years, but it obviously wasn't
enough because every time these people showed up, I would make
it very clear that I understood what was going on.

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And that obviously wasn't a verysmart move.
I should have just pretended like I noticed nothing, and I
probably would have gotten a lotless attention.
Where am I going with this? Yeah.
So after that dweller on the threshold experience with the
guy in the car on the crossroads, things got dark.

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And that's when I started to puta lot of pieces together about
my family, my grandfather's father.
Donovan's father is a Freemason and on my grandmother's side.
So that's Donovan's wife. The family worked for the queen,
and if there's anything I've learned in the last 10 years is

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that you don't have people like that in your family without some
kind of weird trouble going on. You know, help me out here.
Where am I going with this? You were just saying, you were

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talking briefly about your, I guess, your great grandmother.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Donovan's parents.
So I started to put a lot of pieces together about my my
family and things like that. And I started to put together
some memories that I had as a child in Los Angeles.

(35:27):
I lived in Laurel Canyon. If you guys are conspiracy guys,
you should know about Laurel Canyon, right?
Very. Familiar.
Yeah. OK, so I lived in Oro Canyon for
a while when I was six years old, and I have some strange
memories. I I was only in Los Angeles for
about a year and a half maybe. And I always thought that these

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memories must have been something that I made-up or
something that I watched in a movie, because they're like
impossible things. They don't make any sense.
But once you learn about monarchprogramming and stuff like that,
they all start to make a lot of sense.
So there was obviously. Yeah.

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I've never, never spoken about this stuff openly before.
And every time I, I have attempted to, I've been really
unable to speak. You know, you get shaky.
I'm actually like shaking right now but I'm doing pretty well

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which is really annoying for me because I'm a very honest and
open person so keeping all this.Is tough stuff to talk about.
I'm used to talking about tough stuff, man.
I get it. My mother, she's like borderline
alcoholic and she's been just talking about tough stuff since

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I was born. So I'm used to talking about
tough stuff and being surroundedby tough stuff.
You know, I had the Slim Shady LP when I was like 8 years old.
I did too. You know, I'm, I'm fine with
tough stuff, but this is anotherlevel of like, I shouldn't be

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talking about this stuff. You know, I shouldn't be, I
shouldn't be saying this stuff. But that's kind of the point.
Half the stuff that they put youthrough is to, to, to get you to
not talk about stuff. That's why there's not a lot of
people out there sharing their experience because it's network.

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It is a network. It's a network, as I said, of
criminals, of cults, politicians, military, churches,
schools, pedophiles. It's a it's a huge network of
people doing favors for each other.
So there's a lot of people, a lot of people involved that you
wouldn't even think would be involved, you know, like postmen

(38:05):
and the police officers and justpeople in your local village are
involved in this stuff. And a lot of them are afraid.
A lot of them want to talk aboutit, but we're all too afraid to
to talk about it. So where was I was talking about
Monarch? You guys know about Monarch?

(38:29):
I was familiar with Laurel Cane.Not.
Laurel Cane. So the MK Ultra is part of the
Monarch, Monarch program that I'm familiar with you.
There's various, there's a lot of other things to it, but like,
I know you're familiar with MK Ultra and like that's under the
umbrella of Monarch from what I understand.

(38:50):
Right. So and Kilter came first,
Monarch came second. Monarch is a type of trauma
based mind control where it's supposed to be an undetectable
kind of mind control where they do it on these these people and
a lot of the celebrities that you see today are all monarch

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children. So they basically put them
through various traumas when they're very young and split
their mind. And it's not necessarily about
creating split personalities. If you can achieve that, great
for them. It's not necessarily about that.
It's more about dissociative capacities and what that how

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that can be useful for them. So with monarch programming,
there's various themes. So you've got like Alice in
Wonderland and Wizard of Oz and stuff like this.
And this is all you can Google this.
It's all very well it it used tobe.
Google has become quite useless in the last few years.

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So I went through the Wizard of Oz Monarch programming.
Where I was I can only imagine Iwas kidnapped as a child and
given drugs and put through various strange situations.
At Laurel Canyon specifically, there is a house which Jared

(40:18):
Leto bought and has recently sold, which had a bunker
underneath where the CIA used tofilm secret propaganda movies.
And this is just something that's out in the open, but they
have a lot of these facilities where they have the secret like
places to do film sets and they have all of these props and they

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set up all of these things. And then they put children on
drugs and then they traumatize them and they set send them into
these these rooms with all of these strange and surreal things
around and fuck with their head basically.
And I'm not supposed to rememberany of those things.
You know, I'm not, I'm not supposed to have any memory of

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these things. I'm not supposed to know any of
the things that I know because people like me, we are not
supposed to be brought into the inner circle.
We're supposed to be just used and manipulated and kept
ignorant of what's actually going on.
That's why it upsets me when youget all of these Youtubers and

(41:25):
stuff, you know, saying that I don't know, Sabrina Carpenter is
the devil and you know, Lady Gaga is the devil and these
people are terrible, Satan worshipping.
It's like, no, they're probably not.
They're probably just traumatized children under mind
control. So where am I going with this?

(41:52):
It's already 46 minutes I haven't gotten.
Well, I just want to say. Yeah. 100% believable, by the
way 100. Percent this, this stuff, yeah,
this stuff is believable because, I mean, you've got the
MK Ultra history and we know what the government's capable of

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and all of that stuff, but the the unbelievable's go on.
Yeah, I apologize when you said the the fear based mind control
that brings a bell. I just didn't connect the
Project Monarch with it. Trauma.
Based. Sorry, trauma based.
Totally. I want to say that even.

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Was that even part of project paper clip?
Jeff, do you remember? Wasn't that brought over with
with Nazi scientists? Some of those scientists were
the guys who developed the techniques.
I forget the specific guy's name, but yeah, one of those
paper clip scientists was part of the group who came up with
the techniques for doing all of the trauma based mind control

(43:00):
stuff. Yeah.
Yeah, I want to. I want to say that that's got
some really deep roots. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so the trauma based mind control stuff, what they do on
their targets and their victims,all of this stuff is eventually
used on on the globe, on the population, on the whole

(43:24):
population. Like the lockdowns, for example.
It's all trauma based mind control.
Lock someone in a room, flash fear based imaging in their face
24/7 constantly and drug them. That's trauma based mind

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control. So what they did to me and what
they've done to many other people within the system,
they've pretty much did to everybody on a global scale
during the lockdown. So you know, there's the
esoteric and the exoteric, right?
So you got the microcosm and themacrocosm.
You've got the up close and personal stuff, like my personal

(44:05):
experiences and then these people on the political side or
not. So the political side, on the
geopolitical side, they're kind of like controlling world
events. They're using all of this
information and all of these things that they've done on
their own family members on the rest of the world.

(44:28):
So yeah. That's.
Interesting. Yeah, I, I've been saying this
the whole time, man. Like there's so much not just
like the, the isolation part of it, but like, you know, this the
six feet spacing, right? Like that's part of it.
They're the, you know, in some of these rituals or whatever you
want to call them, right? Like wearing masks and standing

(44:50):
6 feet apart and like all that. Like all of that is, is like
symbolic. Not just symbolic, but like they
were actually doing these thingsto us without us really knowing.
Those are all designed off of their knowledge of trauma based
mind control. So the mask thing, it's about
dissociation, It's about disconnecting from the people

(45:12):
around you. And you can see that the world
today is everyone is deeply traumatized.
People have forgotten how to socialize.
People have forgotten how to work.
You know, you know, can't can't find a fucking plumber anymore.
No one knows what the fuck they're doing anymore.
No one wants to work. Everyone's a bit of a mess.

(45:34):
So yeah. So yeah, I went through all that
stuff. The the real unbelievable stuff,
which I was mentioning to you inprivate before our before the
show. The unbelievable stuff is the
magic. Not everyone's going to believe
that magic is real. And that's perfectly, perfectly
fine. You know, you can understand

(45:59):
that the elites, you know, they believe in the magic and they're
doing all this weird, creepy, sick stuff.
But that's why I've got all these notes around me because
I'd like to explain how the magic works and what they put
their initiates through. Like all of these celebrities
that people say have sold their soul to the devil.

(46:21):
And all of the, I'm sure you guys are aware of all the
stories, you know, like Kanye, Connie West and Lady Gaga and
all of these people who sold their souls and all the people
who were ritually sacrificed andhow their family members were
ritually sacrificed. You know, like Kanye, for
example, his mother, I think died and people say that he

(46:45):
ritually sacrificed her. That's not how it works.
These people don't just come in and are like, I'm going to
initiate myself and I'm going todo all the things that they want
me to do. No, they do it without your
permission. They do it without your
permission. They do it to you and around you
without telling you. They come at you from a a

(47:07):
symbolic and a psychic and astral point of view where they
start to manipulate the world around you so that something
deeper inside of you accepts what's happening.
And I know because I've experienced it myself.

(47:29):
They put me through this whole this whole thing.
So I'm going to read something to you guys to give a basic
understanding of how the magic works, right?
That's what I really want to explain.
And if you guys have any questions about Monarch specific

(47:50):
things that I was, I'll put through memories that I have,
you can ask me. Don't.
Don't worry about that. Monarch questions are good.
We could do that. OK.
Yep, fine with that. Yeah.
I mean, to be honest with you, because there's so much just
there, right? Yeah.

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I could probably ask you a million questions and have 10
conversations about that. So, you know, depending on like
how long we go tonight, I don't know if it's something that
you'd be up to, but maybe we do like another one of these at
some point where we can get intolike that specifically because
that's interesting. That is a whole another separate
episode, yeah. There's really there is a lot.

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That's why I was trying to prepare and getting all my
notes, because I had to decide what I'm going to say, what I'm
not going to say, what do I wantto achieve with this?
And I have a lot of interesting,cool, cool, horrific stuff to
share. But what I really want to
achieve, I think, is helping people understand how the magic

(48:57):
works, what it's for, because there's a lot of vagueness
surrounding it. You know, the Astro World
incident with that rapper where all these one guy died and
people got crushed and there wasall this frequency stuff going
on like everyone was talking. About Travis Scott.

(49:19):
Travis Scott, everyone's talkingabout that, right?
And they're all very vague about, you know, it's a
sacrifice, but what is actually going on there?
What why, what are they gaining from that?
What kind of magic is being used?
What kind of military technologyis being used?
Because basically both, it's both military technology and

(49:40):
occult stuff going on. It's literally Astro world,
which is astral world, which is where all of the manipulation
goes on is in the astral dimension.
And I'll explain why. So the point is, I want people
to have more understanding and more information on how all of
that stuff works rather than just going, oh, they're devil

(50:01):
worshippers and you know, there's rituals going on.
It's like, what? What is actually going on,
right? So there, let's say there are
several dimensions that are all existing on top of each other
all the time. And the human being has several

(50:21):
bodies. We have the physical body, we
have the etheric body, we have the astral body, the mental
body, the lower mental body and the higher mental body.
And then we have the causal body, which is the ego, which is
the higher self. And then you have another
spiritual body, which is like the the furthest thing from us,
which is the closest thing to God or the source or whatever

(50:44):
the fuck you want to call it. So the etheric body, it's like a
protoplasmic thing that's very much connected to the physical
body. The etheric body, also called
the life body or energy body, provides life force and a
vibrational blueprint for the physical body.

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The astral body, on the other hand, also known as the
emotional body, is the seat of emotions, desires and feelings.
It's also called the desire bodyand it's used within astral
projection now. It's a luminous fluid shape
shifting form that carries emotional impressions.

(51:33):
It it's acted during dreams, meditation, astral projection,
blah blah blah blah blah blah. I have this book here and I'm
going to give sort of brief description because for you to
understand the magic, and we'll go into the magic in a little

(51:56):
bit, you got to understand what dimension the magic is happening
on. Is that all right with you guys?
Yeah, absolutely. Go for it.
So briefly, the astral body of man is a vehicle to clairvoyant
sight, not unlike the physical body, surrounded by an aura of
flashing colors composed of matter, of an order of fineness

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higher than that of physical matter, in which feelings,
passions, desires and emotions are expressed, and which act,
which acts as a bridge or a medium of transmission between
the physical brain and the mind.The mind is part of the mental
body, which is more closer to the soul, the latter operating
in the still higher vehicle, themind body.

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While every man possesses and uses an astral body,
comparatively few are conscious of his existence, or can control
and function in it in full consciousness.
In the case of large numbers of persons it is scarcely more than
an incohate mass of astral matter, the movements and
activities of which are little under the control of the man

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himself, the ego, which is the true man.
With others, however, the astralbody is a well developed and
thoroughly organized vehicle, possessing a life of its own and
conferring on its owner many useful powers.
During the sleep of the physicalbody, an undeveloped man leads a

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dreamy, vague existence in his relatively primitive astral
body, remembering little or nothing.
In the case of a development, this is Astral body and other
Astral Phenomenon by Arthur E Powell.
It was published in 1920. Something in the case of a

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developed man, however, the lifein the astral body, whilst the
physical body is wrapped in slumber, is active, interesting
and useful, and the memory of itmay, under certain conditions,
be brought down into the physical brain.
The life of such a man ceases tobe a series of days of
consciousness and nights of oblivion, becoming instead a
continuous life of unbroken consciousness, alternating

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between the physical and the astral planes or worlds.
One of the first things a man learns to do in his astral body
is to travel in it being it being possible for the astral
body to move with great rapidityand to great distances from the
sleeping physical body. An understanding of this
phenomenon throws much light on a large number of so-called

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occult phenomenon such as apparitions.
The astral body being par excellence, the vehicle of
feelings and emotions, an understanding of its composition
and the ways in which it operates is of considerable
value in understanding blah blahblah blah blah.
And this is all very important because the astral body being

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the body of desire and emotion, meaning that within the astral
realm our emotions and our desires have a huge effect on
it. Also our our mind body and our
mental matter. Because the mental sorry, my dog

(55:16):
is my dog is having a dream. Sorry.
We're pet. We're pet.
Friendly. Probably right?
You said the book was The AstralBody and Other Astral Phenomena
by AE Powell. Yes.

(55:37):
All right, I just bought it. Good.
The astral body is veritably a bridge between our physical and
our mental life, serving as a transmitter of vibrations both
from physical to mental and frommental to physical, and is in
fact principally developed by this constant passage, all
vibrations to and fro. Then when a man goes to sleep,

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his ego withdraws further withinhimself and leaves his various
bodies more free than usual to go their own way.
These separate bodies are much more susceptible of impressions
from without than at other times, and have a very
rudimentary consciousness of their own.
Consequently, there is ample reason for the production of
dreams as well As for confused recollections.

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There is one more important bit here.
The astral body is at times susceptible to the influences of
passing thought currents, and when the mind is not actively
controlling it, it is perpetually receiving these
stimuli from without and eagerlyresponding to them.

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During sleep it is even more readily influenced.
So there's something called thought forms which I completely
forgot to make notes on. Just go off memory.
So the thought forms, the thought forms, as we're walking
down the street through the day,we're thinking, we have this

(57:17):
sort of bubble around us and thethought forms are kind of coming
out and the things that we're thinking about and we're
imagining kind of create. So everything is everything has
a sort of kind of matter. Our thoughts, our feelings are
all existing on, on different dimensions and levels of

(57:39):
consciousness. So thought forms, you create
them and you can pass them on toother people and you can pick up
on other people's thought forms.And this is something that
happens to us every day as we'rewalking down the street.
You might feel suddenly something or think suddenly of

(57:59):
something, and that's because someone has passed you.
And that's just kind of how it naturally works if you believe
in this stuff. So obviously with magic, you can
utilize these these laws of these interdimensional realms.
And so a magician, what they'll do is they'll sit and they will

(58:25):
obviously take many years to master their astral body,
leaving their body astrally or etherically even, or just doing
astral projection or what's called remote viewing where you
just sit there and with your mind you travel.
So these magicians and occultists and there's various

(58:48):
levels of them trained to do these things.
And so when you want to manipulate someone or lead
someone who is, everyone is susceptible to psychic
information. But some people more than
others. I think I'm doing all right.

(59:17):
I think you did great. Good.
So where was I going with this? Trying to describe how.
You're getting into it. Yep, go ahead.
Gave a brief description on astral body, astral round
thought forms so that gives you an idea of how the magic will

(59:39):
work when we do a follow up video which I would like to
after I do. I might do an interview with a
very big podcast in the next couple of weeks and I'll come
back and hopefully with more information and well rested, we
can go into more detail about all of that because I would

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really like to how the astral world's work and the various
dimensions that we're existing on.
I'm just. Saying you're doing great, by
the way. I appreciate that.
Fuck it, I am exhausted. This is all stuff too, because
like there's going to obviously there's people who when they

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hear these things, like they're all that, they're like, oh,
that's woo, right. That's too woo.
That's crazy. Like that's not real.
Of course there's those people out there.
So and we've me and Jeremy and and our other Co host, our prior
Co host, we've talked about thistype of stuff before in a
slightly different context. So just for anybody who might be
watching or listening who thinksthis is woo, I just want to

(01:00:45):
remind you guys that we did go over the gateway process.
So if you want to get into a more analytical version of this,
right the here, I'll just share.I got it pulled up right here
real quick. But just as a reminder, the
United States government, let mego up to Page 1 here, just so
you guys remember this, the analysis and assessment of

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gateway process, right, on the Army Operational group, right
along with the US Army Intelligence and Security
Command. They went through all this and
there are published declassifieddocuments on them doing all of
this remote viewing, out of bodymovement, right?

(01:01:29):
Literally time travel. There's look, here's the remote
viewing section, and they break it down in a more like
analytical, scientific way and they explain how you can do
these kinds of things using frequency technologies, right,
like by. Neural beats.
And stuff like that. So if you think this is just woo
or crazy or whatever, like be reminded that it's not.

(01:01:52):
This is real stuff. And, and The thing is that all
of this occult stuff is deeply, deeply wound up with the
military stuff 100. Percent.
Very absolutely. And that's why I wanted to bring
up the Astro world thing because100% there was a ceremony going
on. There was a deliberate

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conscious, let's say meditation going on with occultists working
in the background. It's not Travis Scott.
There are occultists in the background who are doing either
ceremonies, rituals, but I wouldsay more like going into a
trance and going into the astralrealm and working with the

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various beings and entities thatexist within the astral realm.
And I would just assume, I'd suggest, I'm guessing that
during these concerts like this,they are opening people's astral

(01:03:01):
bodies and etheric bodies up to the influence of various beings,
entities. They could even be.
So within the astral realm, you got to imagine it's populated by
billions of different species and you have elemental kind of
classifications. So you might have beings that

(01:03:22):
look and behave a lot like the beings that we have in the water
in the ocean, like jellyfish, oryou might have beings like
spiders and things like that. And each one of these beings can
be taken and used and turned into a kind of astral machinery
that can be attached to a person's astral body.

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So like they use these kind of jellyfish entities and they
attach them to people's heads orspines.
And these jellyfish entities actas a kind of transmitter of
information. So you got all this astral magic
weirdness going on, but then youalso have the military aspect,

(01:04:07):
because what I'm starting to understand is that they cannot,
and this is the point, they wantto mind control the entire
planet basically. They cannot turn you into a mind
control slave without breaking down your spiritual barriers
first. So we have a number of spiritual

(01:04:30):
protective layers around our body, our auric fields and stuff
like that. And they can't just implant you
and inject you and turn you intoa mind control slave without
slowly deconstructing and weakening your spiritual forces.
So events like Astro World are tests to see how they can break

(01:04:54):
down spiritually people in massive crowds and at the same
time link them to military technology that is used for
tracking and mind control. Where was it going before I got
gone to the astral thing? Astral world thing was talking
about? We were kind of explaining, I

(01:05:18):
think, just how, or let's just say like the basics of the magic
side of things, right? Yeah, yeah.
Got where I was. That's right.
Why you think I also found something else that's
interesting. You guys might like this here.
Let me close this ad real quick.Just take a quick back step.

(01:05:40):
When we're talking about ProjectMonarch, I found this and I
found this pretty interesting here.
So King Charles the third portrait.
You guys notice anything in the portrait?
This this just happened. Yeah, see that monarch butterfly
right there? Yeah.

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Right. So the symbolism is definitely
out there. It's hidden in plain sight, as
always. As always, yes, exactly.
That's what they do. And they it's the revelation of
the method and it really works. And here's another interesting
thing of going off a little bit and then I'll get back onto

(01:06:24):
where I was going because I remember now the revolution of
the method thing. When you're watching movies
about a dystopia, right? Your brain perceives it as 100%
real, right? Your brain perceives what you're
watching as real, period. But then a part of you, your
consciousness is enjoying it andsaying, oh, this is a great

(01:06:48):
movie. I'm enjoying this, this, this is
fun. So it's a kind of energetic
manipulation to get you to go. I accept this reality and I'm
happy with this reality. Right.
Woken up my neighbors fine. They they knew that I was doing

(01:07:09):
a interview at 3:00 in the morning.
I'll try and lower my voice a bit.
So that's, that's an interestingsegue into the, the magic
because that's part that's that's part of the the, the
manipulation of the mind. So for example, let's let's go
into it now. Let's talk about celebrities,

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musicians, singers, pop stars. When they bring in someone into
into the network right in like they initiate someone into this
celebrity around, you're going to be one of us and you're going

(01:07:52):
to work for us and you're going to sing our propaganda and all
of this stuff. They put you through this series
of, of rituals and they're, theydon't look like rituals.
Like I went through this situation with the guy at the
crossroads and many of these people who go through that, but
they'll have no idea that they're going through that.

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It's speaking to the subconscious mind and speaking
to the spirit body because the spirit body is the intuitive
body and the spirit body knows what's going on, but our
consciousness doesn't really know what's going on.
And So what they do is these magicians, and it's really hard

(01:08:36):
to organize my thoughts. I've been trying to write stuff
down because there's just so many different aspects to this,
it's nuts. But I want to like go into the
network part really quick. How does the network work?
Where do they find all of these magicians and all of these
people? So even just where I live in the
nearest city to me, there's a dozen different schools like

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Ordo Templi Orientis or Rosicrucian or even churches,
you know, specific churches or the scientologies or there's
loads of them. There's loads of these groups.
And you even have like new age kind of hippie groups where
people meet and hang out and stuff like that.
So you've got all of these people interested in magic and

(01:09:19):
interested in stuff and they go and they join these, these
groups or even they think it's like a weekly fun thing that
they do. And then they get brought deeper
and deeper into it. And they basically give them
assignments and say, we're goingto teach you how to do this
today and we're going to learn how to do this.
And they send, they send them off and they, they have them do

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psychic tests and experiments to, to prove, prove to
themselves that they're capable of these things.
So you've got various levels of useful psychic spiritual
individuals. And because it's a network,
they've got their fingers in allof these different cults and
groups and fraternities and brotherhoods and stuff like

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that. And then of course on the non
magical side, you have criminal network.
You have like the pedophiles. And this is another very
interesting thing because we nowhave the Internet and we have
access. They have access to all of the
pedophiles on the Internet, all of them.
So if they need someone to do some street theater or follow

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you or do something break into your house, they can just go on
their little network online and,and they'll go, oh, there's a
pedophile living there. We'll go there, we'll take them
and we'll blackmail them and they'll do whatever the fuck we
want them to do, right. So you've got different types of
useful people within the network.

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You have ones that you can blackmail, you have ones that
you can fool, you can ones that you can trick.
You have ones that are corruptible.
So when it comes to the magic side, you've got all these
different levels of people. You have the interesting, nice,
beautiful, spiritual people who think they're doing something
for a good cause. And then you have people who
join like hardcore, like cults like Ordo Tempe Orientis, you

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know, which was I think was the Aleister Crowley thing.
And that's deep into gnosis and astral travel and ritual and
stuff like that. So they've got all of these
useful people that through theirnetwork of favors, you know how
the Freemasons work, the networkof favors that they give each
other, you, you find all of these people rather easily to do

(01:11:38):
to carry out these magical things.
So let's say we're in Los Angeles, for example, and you
have a coven of witches, you know, and you know, they, they,
they have their, their thing. And then someone comes in and
says, I want you to do a ritual for me.
And I want you to do this ritualbased towards this particular

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person. And they'll do it.
They'll do this ritual or they'll do this meditation and
they'll do this trance towards this particular person.
And this is what they do. So you have your chakra system
and your energy body system. They'll start by targeting your
lowest chakra, which is your sexchakra, which also ties into

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monarch programming because the children are all sexually
abused. So the first wound is in the sex
chakra, it's in the lowest chakra, right?
And this all ties in with the with the magic and stuff.
So what they do is they will tryto create an energetic wound in

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your lowest chakra so that they can control you through your
animal nature, your animal desire and sex.
And then slowly they'll move on up the kundalini system and
they'll breakthrough each one ofyour chakras protective
barriers. And the most important one is

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the heart. The heart is basically more
powerful than our brain, right? It functions as a brain.
It's basically it's its own brain.
It carries its own memories. This is all new science.
You can Google the stuff that the heart carries memories and
it's basically a second brain like they're saying.
Stomach is also another kind of brain.

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So that the energetic field around the heart is probably the
most important part. And when if they can
breakthrough the energetic fieldin your heart and start to
channel these, their, their magic and their thoughts and the
kind of manipulation towards into your heart, they can

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manipulate the memories of the heart.
And this is something that demons do right?
A demon or a sleep paralysis demon, which a lot of people
have experienced with, but they don't believe it's an actual
demon. The demon shows up and it's
wearing the face of your mother or your brother or your friend
or a cat, right? That you know, and it's wearing

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this face. And that's the trick of the the
heart memories. So if they can get inside the
heart, they can make you believein, in this sort of subconscious
interdimensional realm, make youbelieve that the manipulation
and the dark magic that they're doing is coming from a place of

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love and familiarity. It's coming from your family and
your friends. And the dreams that you're
having now are about your mothermurdering someone, for example,
you know, like you believe that it's your your mother, but it's
not. It's someone else wearing the
face of your mother. And then after they penetrate

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the heart chakra, they'll go up to the throat chakra.
And this is a very important part because they like to
instill demonic entities inside their targets.
You know, you get like all of this conspiracy stuff about
Beyoncé having an alter ego or Lady Gaga having an alter ego
and like there's demonic phenomenon around.

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I don't know if you guys have heard any of those things.
So they do, they actually put demonic entities inside or
around the target. And they can only achieve this
by breaking through all of the protective barriers around the

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chakras. And the most the second most
important one for the control aspect is to go up through the
throat and into the tongue. And the tongue is a very
important thing when it comes todemonic symbolism, right?
You notice a lot of the symbolism when it comes to

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demons. They have these tongues coming
out then and stuff like that. And that's a way of taking
control over what you say and how you say it.
And then obviously the final step is to get up into the third
eye and the brain region, which means that the, this demonic

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entity or the black magic being used by the occultists have
succeeded in entering in your mind.
And from this point, they can really direct you and lead you
anywhere they want you to go. And you'd think, you know,
what's, what's the point of doing all of this magic mind

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control stuff when you can just mind control people with, I
don't know, technology. I guess they enjoy it.
I don't know. I don't know.
They like doing magic. It's interesting for them.
But as I said before, I think that the magic and the
technology goes hand in hand together.

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And then while all of this is happening, when these occultists
are going into their trances andmeditations, leaving their
astral body and focusing their energy into disintegrating your
spiritual barriers, there's all this other stuff going on.
For example, they'll target someone close to you in your

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life and they'll kill them. That's Yep.
Fucking heavy shit. Oh man, it's really fucked up.

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Like I, I don't, I don't know ifwe broke out from you, but right
when you said that really, really heavy part, you broke
out. Now, the good thing about all
this is that you get recorded locally.
So this will record on your sideand my system will pull that

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off. So the audio recording will be
perfectly fine. But it is, it is kind of odd
that we're talking about this really heavy stuff and you broke
out right at that critical moment.
Very, very interesting. I wonder why It's kind of a.
You know, I've always said to you kind of alluded to this a

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second ago, people always ask like, why do they do these types
of things? And I always say because it's,
it's their beliefs, it's their religion.
It's, you know, like you said, they're in a cult there.
It doesn't have to be a logical reason that any of us could
figure out why they do this. Just like if somebody is like,
you know, hardcore, whatever religion you are, right?

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Like if you're a Christian or a Catholic and you believe what
you believe and you do the things that you do because you
have those beliefs, they operatethe same way.
And we don't have to understand it, but they're definitely doing
it, you know? Yeah, well, people are driven
towards meaning. They want to have a meaningful
life. And then of course you got the
aspects of power and lust and all that.

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But I think it's meaning. People want to feel special and
they want meaning in their life.And you know, if you, if you're
someone who starts having psychic experiences as a young
child, it's like, wow, it's exciting.
You know, you start noticing allof these, these things and
having outer body experiences and stuff like that.
And so you go in that direction because it's fascinating.

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It is absolutely fascinating. And the darker stuff is way more
interesting, way more interesting than the the lighter
stuff, you know? Yeah, that's man, I'll tell you,
I don't get AI don't get into mymy personal feelings on a lot of

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things in this podcast. I, I tend to try to stay away
from like my personal beliefs, especially on like the the side
of politics and, and such right But.
One thing that I'll, I'll never shy away from is my, my feelings
against pedophilia. And it's just, I, I got, I have

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4 kids and it's just something that doesn't sit well with me.
And you know, I've had, I've hada multitude of guests on here
and we've talked about chakras, we've talked about the astral
body, we've talked about all kinds of stuff.
We've, and this is the first time that we've really dove into
warfare on that level and manipulation on that level and

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talking about the levels of chakra and attacking the lowest
level being sex and attacking these children in their lowest
level and hitting them to where you can control them utilizing
that method of warfare. It's absolutely it's disgusting

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is what it is. It's.
And I've I've. Just like when she was talking
about earlier, like how they didthis on the masses with like
COVID and stuff like they do that.
Like you can look at just the, the explosion of like
pornography and those types of things.
Like all of that stuff is being weaponized against all of us at
this point using the technology,right?

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Like, you know, if you went back50 years ago, it was, you know,
it was like a case by case or a person by person situation.
Some of the music and, and stufflike that was helping.
But now, like we're all carryingaround what's interesting is the
little black cubes that we all stare into that, you know, with
that, like they're, they're attacking all those levels that

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she's talking about and we just,we accept that.
And we're, and it's a, it's a fucking onslaught 24/7, yeah.
It's, it's difficult to contend with that this technology and
then the purpose of the technology and why it was
developed is, you know, to control the human race.

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But then also as a Mystic, I accept that all of this is part
of humanity's growth and learning.
And that might sound like a horrible thing, but it is, it is
what it is. You know, this technology is

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here and it's being created in abad way.
My mentor, sort of a Neoplatonist kind of guy, he
told me that from every good comes a good and from every evil
eventually comes a good because the universe comes from good and
put out itself to go out to the universe to experience itself

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and then come back to the good. So everything that came out into
existence is now on a return journey towards the good.
So let's say in the law of physics, in that perspective,
everything has to return to the good.
So all of the evil things that have happened in the world in
some way or another produced something that was useful for

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humanity. So, for example, technology is
being used in horrific ways, butit is also connected us and
taught us so much. And that's the thing about being
in this physical realm. We experience these polarities,
we experience separateness and good and evil.

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That's the point. That's why we're here.
But yeah, the, the the paedophile stuff is something I,
I've seen these children, I don't know if they did this to
me on purpose. I feel like a lot of the
programming they put people through targets through, they

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surround them with certain situations to desensitize them
to these situations. Like, for example, I don't know
you, you go and join a a communewith your hippie friends and
they slowly desensitize you to being surrounded by a bunch of
fucking perverts so that you're not capable of discerning or

(01:24:27):
intuiting whether you're surrounded by perverts or not.
But I have seen a lot of these children involved in the network
and I have called the police a couple of times, but I just get
frozen in fear and I don't know,I don't know what to do in these
situations. But I've I've seen seen it.

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And that that's an area that I don't really want to talk about
because we can talk, we can talkabout magic.
And, you know, maybe 200 years ago someone would kill me for
that. Not anymore.
The only thing that would get you dead these days is if you
talk about that stuff. And I'm more useful alive than I
am dead. So for sure the.
Plus side is from, at least frommy perspective, I think a lot of

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that stuff is it's being corrected.
It's it's out in the zeitgeist now, like you said, with the
technology, like a lot of peopleare talking about this kind of
thing. And like, I mean, you have like
all these movements now, right? Like Save the Children and
everything. So like I do think that they're
like you said, like things are kind of tracking back the way
that they should. Who knows how long that takes.

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Maybe it takes 1000 years, I don't know.
But like it's definitely moving back that way.
I think just with the amount of people that are aware of these
types of things, right, everybody's up in arms because
where's the Epstein list? You know, it's like, yeah, that
that that wasn't a thing not toolong ago.
So. I think the whole Epstein thing
has always been a distraction. The whole Weinstein thing has

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always been a distraction because these are the things
that they do were horrible, but they don't pale in comparison to
the really horrible stuff. I was going to say that it
agreed it's. The concepts are out there,

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right? Like regular people are thinking
about these kinds of things, notas deeply as we're talking about
now, but it's in the the mainstream zeitgeist now.
It is, yes, it is. It is.
People are thinking about it andthis is what I want to do.
Rather than trying to expose that aspect of the criminal
network which will do nothing but get me dead.

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I can give some pieces of adviceon how to protect children and
how to spot this type of activity because they'll focus
themselves in certain towns, certain towns where they'll be

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this network where they basically use the town as a
place to harvest. Can you hear me?
Says I'm reconnecting. Whatever I'm moving.
It's the Fed beginning. It's the fucking feds.
This is the stuff I don't want to talk about, but I'll say they
don't. Want you to talk about either.

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Yeah, yeah. I'll just say a few small
things. You know, they'll use certain
towns as places for harvesting and creating abusable children.
And these are not always like disposable children, but

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children within families, and the families have no idea that
their children are being targeted.
You want to watch out for what kind of graffiti is around that
town or that village. What kind of sculptures do they
have in the square? Are they sculptures like with
monarch symbolism like rainbows or butterflies, or are there

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images where people are missing their heads or covering their
eye or things like that? The graffiti or even not just
graffiti but also in the symbolism like sculptures and
stuff. Is there a spiral?
If there's a lot of spirals around, something weird is going
on. If there's spiral graffitis or
spiral sculptures, especially ifit's a blue spiral.

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These are known CIA or was it FBI pedophile symbols as the the
spirals and they use they use these really you can spot them
in certain places. They use them to let people know
this is this is a place where this stuff is happening.
So you want to keep an eye out for that kind of stuff.
And you want to go to the squares and you want to sit down

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at the bench and you want to watch how observe how people are
interacting with their children.So how it works is they'll
target multiple children and they'll groom them by slowly
touching them in inappropriate ways right in front of their
parents, but behind their back in a way.

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Like, for example, if a child ishere and the groomer is next to
them and the parent is in front,the groomer will put their hand
behind the child and slip their hand down and touch them
inappropriately right in front of them.
And nobody notices these things because we think we trust.

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We trust people are normal, The world is normal.
We can't possibly be looking forstuff like that all the time.
But I do, because I've seen a lot of it.
So I notice it. I notice it every single fucking
time. I notice it a lot.
So you want to always watch where people's hands are going?
Even if you don't have children,go to your square, pay attention

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if you notice that one guy is lifting up the child that
they're playing with that they're related to or friends of
the parents of, and they're turning the child upside down so
they can have a peek inside their skirt and the father is
over there watching and doing nothing about it.
Maybe something strange is goingon in this town or village.

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So I think that the best way that we can protect and expose
is by learning how groomers and networks target children.
So yeah, I think that's all I'll, I think that's all I'll

(01:30:44):
say on that. Aspect may I tell you this is
definitely the this is this is definitely a milestone for this
show. I'll tell you this is.
I'm sorry. No, no, no, no.
This is I I'm beyond honored, honestly, beyond this is this is

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a tough subject, but I, yeah, I,I'm, I, I don't even know what
to say, but I'm beyond myself that, that I had the opportunity
to, to, to interview you. Cool.

(01:31:27):
Yeah, I mean, I, like I said earlier, I, if you're up for it,
I would like to have another conversation.
You know, we can go like further, you know, down
different roads or whatever. We don't have to keep talking
about this stuff. This stuff is pretty dark, you
know. But yeah, yeah, you know, I
would like to do like a follow up just to go monarch and stuff.

(01:31:47):
Yeah, Monarch, you know, learn more about the magic and the
symbolism and stuff like that. You know what we need to do,
Jeff. We need to get CJ on here.
So CJ is one of our old Co hosts.
The way that this show was builtis that, well, we've had this
rotational cast. Yeah, I saw.

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And CJ was our cult magic guy and, and he he'd be right on par
with everything you're saying. I've got so much more to say
about that. I'm I'm just because I'm so
tired and I'm not really well prepared.
Well, maybe. I haven't gone into half of.

(01:32:33):
Maybe it was. Maybe we can set up a special
day and time. Yeah, I'm not opposed to doing
it like earlier for us so that it's not so late for you one
day, you know what I mean? I mean, I have to get up early
for work. So like, literally, if I go to
bed right now, I'm going to get not enough sleep, you know what
I mean? So I don't want to be in the
same boat as you tomorrow at work, so.

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But yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to like trying to do something
earlier just so that we're all like fresh and have time and,
you know, all that good stuff. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. So you.
Yeah. But you, Coco, we'll talk more
about that possibility, the invites out there if you want to
come back the answer. 'S yes for sure, for sure.

(01:33:18):
You are more than more than welcome.
And we will, we'll work this outso that it's on a friendlier
time for you. We'll get CJ here so that he can
kind of, you know, be on the same level as you, right,
because you're you're very intelligent in everything that
you're saying right now and it'sit's very impressive I.

(01:33:41):
Appreciate that. I know that you said you did a
lot of studying and a lot of prep work for this and, and
honestly, I'm surprised that youhad to because it's, it's coming
off very, very fluently and, andyou're doing great.
I appreciate that. I, I wanted to make it rather
structured so that I wouldn't gooff on loads of different

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tangents because there's so manythings that I could talk about.
But it's been kind of hard to dothat this time around,
especially with being a bit lateand a bit of a chaos and stuff.
So I, I didn't have it as a structured direction as I wanted
to go in with the magic. But all of the stuff that I, I
spoke about were things that I gave myself permission to speak

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about. So I didn't go off.
Yeah. Well.
Like I said earlier, in my experience, when you're doing a
podcast, like the the more fluidit is, usually the better it
comes off, right? And now that you've kind of at
least gotten over like the basics and like we, we know what

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you're about and like, you know,the topics and stuff like that.
The next time around we can comein and like style in and go
through like a structured thing.It'll probably be easier to do
it that way, if that makes sense.
Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah.
Did you have anything else that you wanted to say tonight?

(01:35:09):
Well, yeah, there is so many things that even certain things
I was Jeff when I was. Did you need to go bud?
I mean, yeah, but I mean, I got a couple minutes.
I mean, I'm not like going to hang up on you guys, you know,
but. No, go ahead.
Go, go. I'm sorry.
No, it's all right. Yeah.

(01:35:31):
It was more about how the magic works and how they're doing it
and stuff. And I think that I was way more
vague than I would have liked tohave been.
But if if you guys think this was a really good solid
foundation of information that'sI'm happy with that.

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I'm happy with that. Like I said, if you want to come
back on and dive deeper into it,you're more than welcome to.
Absolutely. Is the, the, the magic aspect
and then the network aspect of how they get various people who
are interested in, in magic and practicing magic and then use

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those people to go through various stages of initiation.
There's so much there, like so many interesting things, like
the, the thing about signing contract, signing the contract,
you know, like signing your nameover to the devil or whatever.
So they do this with these celebrities and these various

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people, but they do it through dreams.
So you'll have the magician who's like an astral worker, an
astral traveler. And within this astral realm,
because it's the, it's a realm that's hugely influenced by your
imagination and your desires andyour thoughts, you can create
anything that you want. So you they create these sort of

(01:37:01):
castles and these houses and these buildings and then they
sort of bring in the targets consciousness into this castle
that they've created, this building that they've created in
the astral realm so that they are trapping a part of your
consciousness there. And then what they'll do is

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they'll go inside your consciousness and they'll start
to build a whole new structure, a whole new structure within
your consciousness. So if you have your regular
dreams, forget about it. They're going to completely blow
that apart. And what they'll do is they'll
they'll come in eventually and they'll come in with a piece of
paper in your dreams and they'llask you to sign your name on

(01:37:44):
this, this piece of paper. And they'll keep doing that and
keep doing that and they'll keepdoing that and they'll keep
making your dreams more and moreconfusing and incoherent to be
able to to trick you into signing yourself over to them.
And this is something that I really want people to understand
that so many of these celebrities that people think

(01:38:07):
are devil, devil worshippers that sold their soul, they had
no fucking idea. They had no fucking idea on a
certain level. On some level they had an idea.
And don't get me wrong, some of them do.
Some of them know exactly what they're doing and doing horrible
things. But even though some of the ones

(01:38:29):
that kind of know what's going on, like who's that new Doji cat
chick, she gives the impression that she kind of knows what's
going on. But believe me, she doesn't know
everything, not even. This much about movies, and I
know even less than that about pop.
Pop music. Right, so Doji Cat is a new pop

(01:38:54):
singer. Yeah.
She's a black woman, just kind of got shaved head.
And she's done a lot of music videos with like, seriously
demonic stuff going on, like outer body, the sleep paralysis
demons and all of this creepy. Like, so obvious, so clear.

(01:39:16):
So clear. Yes.
And then, of course, years ago you had Katy Perry doing that
song about Jeffrey Dahmer and the pyramids.
What was it? Make me your Aphrodite.
I knew you were. I've heard it.

(01:39:38):
Make your enemy. I've heard it can't tell.
You what, you know, like a lot of these artists too, they say,
and this happens to me, right? Like when I'm writing music, you
know, you get into a flow state,your brain goes into those Theta
wave, that Theta brain state where you people say, like the
information just comes to me, right?
So I think what you're saying isright, Like a lot of these
people, they, they sell themselves subconsciously, if

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you will. They don't even realize that
they've done so. Then when their brain goes into
that Theta state and they're in that flow state and the
information comes to them, it's that, right?
So like, she may have wrote those lyrics without even really
putting much weight behind them,but that information was coming
through subconsciously because she had signed the contract

(01:40:22):
subconsciously. Yeah, it's, it goes into the
idea of mediumship, you know, when you pick up on spirit and
you start translating for the spirit, stuff like that.
But all true occultists know that mediumship is a condition.
It's an illness. It's not a superpower, it's not
a psychic ability. It's an illness.

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You're not supposed to give up your body to another entity or
another being to speak through you.
And that's kind of what's kind of what's happening there
apparently. This is Doja Cat.
That is Doja Cat. That doesn't look.
Well, listen, man, the black andred is this is more symbolism,

(01:41:06):
right? There's a lot to there's so much
man, like I never really got into the pop culture side of the
all the symbols and stuff like that.
I mean, it's always been in my peripheral, but I know enough to
know it when I see it, right? Like we're talking about with
the black and white checkered floors and stuff like, you know,
like I know enough when I see it.

(01:41:27):
I'm like, you know, you could ask Crystal, I pointed out.
Sometimes we're driving around and I'm like, that's an occult
symbol right there. And she's like, what do you
mean? I'm like, I don't know.
I just know that that's one of the symbols, right?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I couldn't tell you much
about pop culture, but folk culture like Donovan, I can tell
you all about it because my dad raise me in it.

(01:41:52):
Well, the interesting thing about my grandfather is that,
you know, he was used during the60s psychedelic revolution, and
he was talking about the soul and past lives and reincarnation
and love and all of this mysticism and stuff.
And then once the CIA was done with their little psychedelic

(01:42:13):
revolution experiment, they had no interest or use for Donovan
anymore, so they kind of kept him kind of distance.
Yeah, that's that would have been in the 70s, right, Because
that's the 60s. Well, I mean, he fell out

(01:42:37):
around, yeah, like 6970. So that's when it became all
about Rock'n'roll and no longer about the soul and.
Sex, drugs and rock and. Roll, that's exactly that's
exactly when the Intel agencies started picking up on all this
stuff, right? Because if you go back to that
gateway process that that document was released in 1984

(01:43:01):
and in there it says that over the last 20 years they had been,
you know, researching all these things, which puts it right in
the mid 60s. So.
Man, that's fucking wild. That's wild.
If you, if you light up the, theyou know what the governments
are, are are studying and the programs that they're running
and you, you lining up with pop culture at the time.

(01:43:22):
The timelines are the timelines are like perfect, like bone left
once the Intel agencies and stuff kind of figured out how it
all worked or or their versions of it I guess.
I don't really know. But once they picked up on it to
a certain level, they didn't need, like she said, all of the
artists from the, the late 50s and the early 60s that were like

(01:43:42):
doing this, you know, like they,you know, they were on that
occult side of things. They were doing this stuff, you
know, more magically, if you will.
And then the Intel agencies werelike, hey, we could do this like
systematically, and they picked it up from there.
Shit. Oh, man, Oh, we this episode

(01:44:07):
could go another three hours right now.
We're not going to do that, but.That's what I'm saying, man.
Well, there's so much more, dude.
Like we can't just like, hang this up and be like, OK, nice
talking to you. Like, hey, you're like, no, we
have to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, man, yeah, 'cause we couldget into all kinds of shit right
now. Oh man.
It's an infinite rabbit hole. It is.

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Hey, she said it. All right, All right.
What do you think, Coco? We're good.
Yeah, I think, I think we're good.
All right. Yeah, Jeff, you got anything
else, Ben? No, no, I'm excited to do
another one. I wish I didn't have to get up
and go to work like every other slave in the world tomorrow.

(01:44:51):
But. Not this going to do.
You got to make that fake money to pay those bills, you know
what I mean? Yeah, it's just the way it is.
So yeah, if you guys, you know, you guys will have time to go
over some of the things that I've said that I could have gone
into more detail and you can askme questions and you can follow

(01:45:13):
up. So many things to look up.
I made a a list of things. Well, that's great.
That's good. And I bought a book so.
Yeah, yeah. But.
If you really want to know how the magic works without me going
into my ridiculous way of explaining things, this guy.
This is everything right here. Franz Barden.

(01:45:37):
Franz Bardon Initiation into Hermetics that will teach you
how to become a magician 100%. Hermeticism and Gnosticism, like
if you get into that dude, like it's that's a whole rabbit hole
in itself man. This is the.
This is the only published work that explains in the most

(01:45:57):
simple, straightforward terms, practical exercises to become a
magician. It's the only thing, the only
one. I like.
I like books. I don't know if you could tell,
but I like them. Yeah.
This is only one library. I have another one upstairs.
Another interesting one if you're interested in symbolism
is The Sacred Tarot by CC Zane. So the.

(01:46:24):
Sacred Tarot. Every tarot card goes into just
going to real quick. You've got the astrological
side, the numerological side, the Masonic side, the biblical
side, the alchemical side, and the initiation side, the magic

(01:46:47):
side. And is there one more occult
science? And it gives you all of the
different explanations because the tarot is basically the key
to all occult symbolism. It's not some stupid card deck
of cards that you read the future.
It's actually way more importantthan that.
So Oh yeah, that's another book for your library.

(01:47:09):
Cool. I appreciate.
That tarot deck and I've only ever looked at the cards for the
symbolism. I've never use them, you know,
it's just yeah, yeah, yeah. Coco, why don't you share with
everybody? This is usually the time of the

(01:47:31):
episode where I let my guests share anything that they have
going on. I know you're an artist.
I don't, I don't know what kind of public life you have, persona
you might have. Plug your shit, you know.
Yeah, plug it all. I, I'm starting a podcast called

(01:47:51):
Tracing the Circle where I'll betalking about magic and
occultism and all of that good stuff going into as much detail
as I possibly can with a lot of very interesting sources and
books and magazines from the past.
So the the right now I've got a YouTube page up and an Instagram
page up, which is under tracing the circle Coco Cyan rider, but

(01:48:17):
I haven't got any episodes up yet.
I'm preparing them right now. Perfect.
I'll be out soon in a couple of weeks.
I. Think this and my.
Art, my art. I've decided I'm not going to
become a professional artist because I don't want to be used
in that way by the systems that utilize artists, if you know

(01:48:39):
what I mean. Yeah, my art will always be just
a gift, you know, I give it to people.
I'm not going to sell it in any way, shape or form.
So. That's awesome.
That's awesome. And you do that with your
grandfather too, don't you? Yeah, yeah, we've we've done a
few things together. That's beautiful.
I love it. Yeah, we'll.
Talk more about him next time, yes?

(01:49:00):
Please, please. My, my, my, my.
My. Dad would love that.
He'll love that. Well, do you have anything else
to plug? No, I don't think so.
Do you want to talk about the other podcasts that you're going
on? You're more than welcome to.
Buy this camera. No, I don't know.

(01:49:23):
No, I don't have anything else think of right.
Now, all righty well, Coco, thank you so much.
I really do appreciate you again, honored to have you here.
I don't know. Well, I do know how I I got this
lucky, but you know, again, thank you.
This was just lucky to have it. Honestly.

(01:49:47):
This is amazing. You're welcome back 100%.
We we will adjust our schedule next time.
We're not going to put you through hell, OK?
All right. Sorry, it was worth.
It it was no, it was worth it. Well, I worth it.
I really do appreciate you and. Thank you, guys.
Thank you very much. Once we cut off live, if you can

(01:50:11):
just hang out for just a minute,that way I can load your audio.
It usually only takes about two to three minutes and that's
about it. OK.
I'm going to have to run and go get the charger.
Hold on a second. Yep, I'm on 2%.
You're good. Thank you for watching
everybody. All right, that's been another

(01:50:31):
episode of the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast.
Until next time, everybody, Bye.Bye.
Hey everybody, thanks for checking out the Infinite Rabbit

(01:50:53):
Hole podcast. If you're looking for more of
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And until next time, travelers, we'll see you right here in the

(01:51:17):
next fork in the path of the Infinite Rabbit hole.
Bye.

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