247. Coco Sianne Ryder 2: Magic & Mind-Control

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Imagine that this line here in the past the
timeline commute into this tangent, creating an alternate
1985 alternate. You need an Einstein reality for

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everyone else. Welcome back to the Infinite
Rabbit Hole. Last time we pulled a thread
with our guest Coco CN Ryder, and what we uncovered was more
chilling than we could ever predict it.

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That episode, Hidden Shadows of a Secret World, posed a sliver
of the truth behind the occult practices, mind control, and
celebrity lineage with the deepest, darkest corners of the
entertainment system. The reaction was seismic.
Since then, Coco has continued her mission to expose this
systematic darkness, appearing on platforms like the Gareth Ike

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Show to connect her personal trauma to the larger
architecture of global control, censorship, and powerful elites.
Tonight, we're going to dive into the audience questions you,
the listeners have been demanding answers to get ready
to go deeper than ever before. Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit
Hole and welcome back Coco. How you doing today?

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Hello, very good. Thank you.
Good, good. So you have been busy, very
busy. Well at least with with Gareth.
Like Gareth, Like how was that experience?
I don't know. It's, you know, I get so nervous
around these things that I kind of go into an autopilot mode and
I just just just go for it, try not to think about it too much.

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I just imagining what Jeff wouldsay to that Jeff.
Jeff loves that he he calls it the flow state and he it's
what's what he claims he he performs the best in.
So but Gareth height that is a humongous platform and I know
that our numbers ticked quite quite well after your episode

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came out on on his show. What was the overall response by
the public to that? Show it from your point of view.
A lot of people seem to really like the way that I express
myself. They said that the way that I
spoke was eloquent and that I had a sort of balanced point of

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view on all of these very difficult topics.
So that's that was what I I got mostly from the comment.
Yeah, that's pretty much what the feedback I had too from our
show. A lot of people sending a lot of
respectful comments, a lot of lot of messages from people
sending me questions to ask you for a follow up episode because

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we had discussed at the end of our last episode that you would
come back on and talk to us. Unfortunately, today it's just
me. Jeff had something pop up pretty
much last minute so he is not able to make this, but I've got
a ton of questions to go throughthat we can easily fill up all
this time with. So, and it all comes from from

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either the comment section on some of our platforms, with most
of them actually coming from private direct messages from
people who have listened to either our episode with you or
Gareth's episode with you. There's a lot of people that
even made mention in their messages to me that they haven't
listened to our episode yet at this time, but that you were

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absolutely amazing on Gareth's episode and they had questions
to for me to ask you. I'm guessing that they they just
had a feeling that you'd be coming on this show again before
going back on Garrett's, which Iwould assume you would.
I watched that episode myself and it was phenomenal.
You did great. You did.
Thank you. You're, you're going to be a
natural podcaster. So actually before we get on

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that or before we get on to someof the questions, let's talk
about tracing the circle. How's that journey going for
you? Well, I actually wrote up the
first episode months ago when I was thinking about writing a
book and and then I kind of turnit into this whole doing a
podcast thing because I decided to just come out with my story

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through this platform. So I might as well do it in that
way. And it's a good way to reach
people. But finished writing it like
last week and I'd like to being more spontaneous, but the
writing kind of helps me to, to get into this whole new journey.
And the podcast itself is more about kind of positive growth

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and self exploration and trying to inspire and and motivate
people. So I'm talking less about the
kind of stuff that I'll talk about in interviews with other
people because I don't want to make that dark stuff like my,
the center of my life, you know,I want to make this simple of my

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life something that that inspires goodness, you know, And
it's a good thing to expose the,the dark things that I'm talking
about, but it shouldn't necessarily be the center of my
focus, you know? Yeah, we're going to, we're
going to kind of dive into a little bit of dark stuff tonight

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too. A lot of questions, lot of
questions from people that are very interested in some of this
darker stuff. And by all means, if, if I ask
you a question tonight that you're not comfortable
answering, which some of these are going to, you know, they're
going to, they're going to dig pretty deep, Just let me know
and, and we'll move on to the next one.
I did when I first started gathering these questions after

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our first episode, I would ask everybody, hey, if I use your
question on the show, would you like me to attach your name to
it or anything like that? And overwhelmingly people said
no. So I, I left all of this without
any names attached to it. That way I can I can ask your
questions and people can still remain anonymous with the
questions. There were one or two of them I

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pulled out of Gareth Ikes comment section and I'll I'll
notate which one of those are ifI end up reading them off
tonight just so that and we can send people to the right place.
But like I said, most of these are from my own DMS or comment
section on our episode together.Anything that you got before we

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move into the questions? No, I just.
Well, yes, I do have a a list here of things that I'd like to
go through. Perfect.
About the black magic and the magic and the various things
that go on there. But we have plenty of time to go

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through all of that start to finish.
Take like an hour. So I'm ready now to go through
all of these questions answering, you know, So.
Yeah. Well, good, good.
All right. So one of them, I've already
kind of asked the first Part 2, so I'll just read the question

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in full. And then the second part is
really where the question will be, because the first part I've
already pretty much asked, like I said.
But how has the public response been since your first
appearance? We've talked about that.
And have you received any validation or any pushback on
the claims you made about the hidden shadows you discussed?
Not really. The only criticism that I saw

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come up a couple of times was that I was a bit vague and that
I was not really saying. I was saying a lot, but not
really saying anything, which isperfectly fine.
I think it was more to do with the nature of the questions
being asked that I was happy to answer and the style of
interview. Because he's a he was a radio

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host. They have a very particular way
of going about things, and I think he understood that in that
interview he was sort of gathering information so that
maybe for another interview he would have more questions to
ask. So that's the only criticism
that I really got from that. We had a, we had a few comments

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that aligned pretty close with that right?
The the vagueness even in our show.
And I felt like you were way more open on our show, but.
Yeah. A little bit right, But I, you
know, I would just like to remind people, you know, you got
to put yourself in her place, right?
This is the first. Time coming.
Out about this. Stuff.
So I have a good, I have something to say about about

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that People want details of events.
They want me to recollect certain events and name names
and say this is where that happened and this is the date.
And while I can do that, and I'msure in some instances I will do
that, that's not necessary. I don't need to do that.

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That's not what I'm here for. I'm trying to convey for 112
years of experience of fighting against the Dark Network, which
is 12 years. That's a long time.
You learn a lot. So just repeating events,
regurgitating events, that's useless when I have gathered so

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much valuable insight into how it works.
That's where the valuable information is.
And then of course, I have my entire life, 31 years of
experience of being born into this particular world.
What's more valuable is the things that I've learned, not
repeating things that have happened.

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So I'll just say that one. No, it's a.
It's a good point. It really is.
It's not what, what would the, Iguess my follow up question to
anybody leaving those kind of comments would be what would
they do with that information anyways?

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I don't, I don't see what it what, what it would do.
It's the fact that we have somebody on record putting pen
to paper and saying this is happening.
I think that's in my point of view more important, right.
We have somebody that's that's taking a step forward.
And. Being brave about it.
All right. So the second question that I

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had here, so you spoke about mind control within the
entertainment industry. Can you elaborate on what you
meant by lineage of celebrity? And I guess a follow up part,
and this is strictly mine here. This is something I'm curious
about. Do you believe that it was your
lineage that made you a target for this particularly?

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Well, this is interesting because actually it's the very
first thing that I wrote down onmine.
This is to talk about how do they select individuals.
So there's multiple reasons and it really depends on what kind
of interest they have in you. It is to do.

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It can be to do with bloodline and lineage.
In my case, I think it's probably less to do with
bloodline, though there might besomething there that I'm not
really aware of and more to do with, you know, when I say less
to do with bloodline, I'm talking about the elite
bloodlines. So that's a whole other thing.
But the fact that my grandfatheris Donovan, my father is Sean

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Ryder, there is obviously something unique and special
about my family to have all of this energy, all of this
creative energy, and all of these individuals that have had
a voice on the world stage in some way or another.
And the fact that my great grandfather was a Freemason
might have something to do with it.

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So the fact that all of that is there, I'm exposed, right?
So I'm born into this world where there are occultists,
there is military and there is intelligence involved and they
notice children that have been born.

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Now sometimes you get lower level individuals who see
certain children that have been born and they go this, this
could be a good cash cow just because of who their their
parents are. But then you have much more
interesting side, which is you have people who are into
astrology and they can tell justby your birth chart or even your

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birth date or even your life path number in numerology that
you are a powerful individual and can have a very successful
future in certain things. And they can figure out how you
might be useful. And then you have people who are
literally just able to see your energy, see your spark.

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They can look at you and they just know this one is special,
this one is useful. And obviously there are
different purposes. There are different kinds of
usefulness. There are usefulness in the
sense of just harvesting energy,and then there's usefulness in
the sense of we can put this person into the entertainment

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sphere or the political sphere and we can groom them and train
them for a particular career path.
And that happens in military as well, politics and even in the
criminal world in different ways.
So the fact that I'm born into this world means that I'm
surrounded by people who are paying attention to these
things. I'm surrounded by individuals

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who have already this kind of lifestyle, this kind of mindset,
you know? So, all right, let's move, let's
move into one because I think, Ifeel like this is, it's not a
direct segue, but it's a, it's apretty good one.
This is probably the most asked question that I got.
And this is one that I, I also grabbed from Gareth's comment

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section, but also from my comment section, also from
multiple DMS. What's next?
So after revealing such profoundsecrets, right?
What is your personal focus now?What are your next steps in this
whole endeavor? Well, I've only just begun to
reveal how the magic works and the mind control works, and then

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there's a technological aspect that I'll get to not in this
interview fully. Looks like we've lost her.
In another line, there's a lot of very important thing the.
Government doesn't want us. Talking about because it doesn't
just concern me, it concerns. Bono.
The human race. Give her a second to come back

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on. Because as I said.
On the previous that we had tests people on YouTube.
That's cool. We don't get a ton.
Of everything they do to their. Targets especially done so shout
out to the people on YouTube. So all of the.
Appreciate you checking in. Warfare that I've.
If you guys have questions for please.
Happening send them. Into.
The comments. Section has a.
Particular long term purpose, soI would like.

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She'll be right back, hopefully.Learn how to reveal to the best
of my ability. Somebody's in the comment
section. Let me know if you're still
getting the stream. And these methods and these
practices, and that's something that's going to take a while for
me to, to get good at 1:00 because I, I'm not used to

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talking about this stuff. It's like, you know?
Maybe not. Imagine not being able to speak
your whole life and then suddenly you have to learn how
to speak. You know, it's, I'm not used to
talking about this stuff. I've hardly even write about it
in my own journals. So going to try my very best to
articulate the magic and the mind control.

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That's very important. But I guess I said it before
that my goal is to try and inspire and and move people and
to help. People shift.
Into a service. Of you that are.
Perspective of life that helps them transcend fear and division
and polarization to be able to be more at peace with things so

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that you can more effectively. Act.
In the world around you, becauseso many people are thinking and
acting and behaving from a placeof fear and panic because of
everything that's going on in the world.
And it's not, it's not helpful. In order for us to make the most

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effective change, we have to 1stbe in the place of peace.
And I'm learning how to do that myself.
And I hope that on my journey and learning how to do that, I
can share it with others. Almost the entirety of my
listeners on Twitch looks like everybody wants to hear from.

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Sorry, anybody who's who's stillwatching on YouTube.
Here she comes, she's coming in.There she is.
I'm not sure. Well, if you don't mind, we
could just jump right back to the beginning of that that
question. You asked me a question about my
my goal. So was that just a quick, was

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that a technical issue on on your end or?
No idea. No.
Looks like we're we're talking about things people don't want
us talking about. Hopefully it was just a
technical problem. Let's see, I got I did get
somebody while you while you were away there for a second
saying that I should introduce you to Paul from Understanding

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conspiracy. I'm guessing it's a podcast.
So definitely look into that. See if.
It's a. Route you want to go down?
Understanding conspiracy. Understanding conspiracy.
Yep. All right.
So the question that I had for you was see, yes, what, what's
the next steps in all of this? What are you, where are you

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going with with the next phase of of this kind of stepping out
into the lime way? OK, I did have a very very good
answer. I hope I can repeat it.
Sorry. So the next step is obviously to
go into a lot more detail about the mind control and the magic,

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because there is so much there. I'm definitely not answering it
as best as I did last time. Yeah.
The next step is to, to the bestof my ability, go into as much
detail as I possibly can about how the magic works and how the
mind control works. It's very important that I do

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that because as I mentioned in the last episode with you, that
everything that they do to theirtargets and and the people in
their immediate life, they eventually do on the masses.
And so the spiritual, the spiritual warfare applies to
mankind and then the mind control aspect that comes with

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it and after it also is applied to mankind.
So I feel it's a very important thing, a very important time to
try and articulate as best as I can.
Are you still there? Uh oh.
Loser again, Coco No. Hello.
Looks like we we got you back. That was just for a second,

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right? Yeah, that wasn't that wasn't.
OK, yeah. So basically, give me a minute.
That's OK. It's trust me, I understand.
When the flow state gets interrupted, it's pretty tough
to recover. It's annoying.
I'll be fine. I'm sorry.
Don't be sorry. So yeah, this is where I was

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going with that. My ability to communicate these
things is not great because I kept all of this to myself for
so many years. Imagine not speaking your whole
life and then suddenly being expected to know how to speak.
That's how I feel right now. And I've written a lot in my own
journals and Diaries and it's talked to myself a lot.

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But talking to other people about these things, it's, it's a
learning process and I would like to learn as best as I can
how to describe and explain all of these things so that it can
maybe help mankind. And then in the long run, the
really the long term goal is to,is to help shift people's

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perspectives in a way in what I'm going through myself, which
is to shift my perspective out of a, a fear based mindset and
go into a mindset of peace and acceptance, which is what I'm
learning to do right now. Because if you're in a, a place
of fear and panic and and overwhelming sadness and pain,

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you cannot act to the best of your ability to effect change.
So in order for you to change the things to the best of our
ability, we have to 1st be at peace.
And we can only find peace with all the horror in the world if
we first accept it. And that's something that we all
really refuse to do. Why would I accept all this

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horror? I have to be in panic.
I have to be afraid, I have to be angry.
And of course, these are all natural responses, but it clouds
the mind. It clouds the vision.
And so I'm hoping that sharing my own journey in overcoming
these obstacles, these mental obstacles will help others to

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shift their perspective and be more compassionate and more
peaceful and more courageous in the way that they approach the
problems going on in the world. Well, good stuff.
I like the way that you're approaching all of this.
It's I know a lot of people work.
We're kind of leaving comments about the the whole vagueness

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and everything, but there's a lot of safety that you that has
to be kept in mind with the withreleasing a lot of this stuff.
Before we jump into some more stuff, I just want to give a
shout out to YouTube. There's a ton of people that are
chiming in on YouTube right now,or at least on the the watcher
count. I have a couple comments coming
through. This is not our normal recording
time. We're actually about 3 hours

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early trying to help Coco out. So that's just not doing the
interview at 3:00 AM again. So should be a little cognitive.
So I just want to give a shout out to people on YouTube.
We don't. We usually don't get a huge
watcher list from from YouTube. So we're live.
We're live on YouTube right now as well.
Yep, Yeah. Oh yeah.

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We're, we're live on all of my sofos right now.
Yep. So we, we typically go live
everywhere. Oh, my Valium is lower than
Coco. Oh.
What's up? Can you hear me tapping?
Yeah, looks like we got, we got a couple, couple podcasts that

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that I've talked talked about you recently.
Really. Yep, Nights of the Storm on
Rumble and then we got somebody else.
Karen Carpenter said that she shared a clip from Coco on on
her podcast yesterday too. So Karen, if you can drop the
name of your podcast, I'll go ahead and give you guys a shout
out too. So.

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That's awesome. All right, so you're you're
getting like getting a lot of play time right now getting out
there and I'm happy to be able to do that for you and I
appreciate you coming on this show.
That's awesome. But you're really reaching a lot
of people right now. How do you feel about that?
How do you feel about the whole just generally reaching more

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people with with this this information?
You know, in a very kind of likecalm, unbalanced way terrifies
me. As I said, beginning, I'm
terrified of, of success becauseit means that once you succeed
in something, you have to keep going because you've got all of
this encouragement and it's goodencouragement.

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And I'm so used to being so stagnant in my life and then
being connected to all of these people, so many people that are
inspired by you. And there's always that, that
idea of that, that notion that if they had entered into the

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wrong pocket of your mind and got to know you better, they
might not actually like you. And so is any of this really
genuine? There's that.
I don't know if I'm overthinking.
I probably am overthinking it because I'm very, I feel things
very deeply and I get attached to people.
I really feel deep connections and attachments to people.

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And it's very strange to connectwith so many strangers all at
once. There's, there's a whole
philosophical conundrum there that's just running through my
my whole being. So I don't know how to answer
that question. Well, I, I think that it's, I
think it's that it's legit, right?

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People definitely are very interested in what you have to
say. They have a lot of respect for
what you have to say. People are showing up to to this
episode right now just to hear you talk.
I could tell you right now, I don't usually have these numbers
on YouTube when I talk. So it's it's definitely there's
a lot showing here for the respect that people have for
you. And it looks like the Knights of
the Storm was the name of that podcast.
So I don't know if we have two people from the same podcast

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here or if it's one person, but I do apologize.
Knights of the storm. Check that out if you guys want
to hear a clip from Coco and andhear their takes on it.
But all right, you ready for another question?
Yeah. All right, let's see, protective
measures. We've talked a lot about
vagueness and, and everything, right?
What are some other protective measures that that you are are

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utilizing in order to make sure that you're not necessarily
putting out too much informationor putting out the wrong
information or any information that's going to get you
necessarily in trouble? I think the last 12 years of my
silence was my protective measure because the last 12
years of my silence, I've been figuring out how best I've been

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figuring out I've been figuring out.
I mean, after 12 years of silence, I only now have come to
the conclusion of what's of the best value to share.
What will help people? The fact that I held my tongue
for 12 years and allowed myself to develop and grow and to get a
better grasp on what's going on.The fact that I have, the last

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12 years, mostly learnt the things that I've learnt through
my intuitive capacity, my clear cognitive and clear cognizance
and Clair sentience. Those capacities that I have
that have caught the attention of some very dangerous and
powerful occultists, Those capacities have allowed me to

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uncover and reveal all of these secrets without actually being
deeply involved in all of these things.
I think I mentioned before that I'm the kind of person, yes, in
the last podcast, I'm the kind of person that's not supposed to
know any of these things that are going on.
But I do because I just pay a lot of attention.

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And it's pissed off a lot of people who invested a lot in me
to go down a certain roads that say yellow brick roads that they
had paved for me so many times Ididn't go down it.
And that's upset people. So the protective measure is
really the fact that I don't really have any information that

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could put me in any immediate danger because of the way I came
about the information. Now, I could be really stupid
and start saying a lot of names and places and times and things
that I don't really have evidence for, but could
definitely upset a few people. And that's to do with the the

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aspect of the criminal network that utilizes children.
But I don't have anything that Ican say that could make any
difference there. All it could do is is bring
problems into my life. It's not going to help anyone.
So there's, if I wasn't being smart that could you know,

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focusing the energy on the wrongarea, right?
So the main protective measure is my energy at the moment,
staying out of fear frequency and having an ideal and a goal,
which is to the benefit of myself and everyone that I can

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reach something that is positiveand good.
That is my protective measure. And again, that might sound
vague because I'm not going into, you know, all these
physical things that I can do, but none of those physical
things that you can do to protect yourself really matter
if you're not on the right energy wavelength and frequency
of peace, acceptance and lookingtoward upliftment and and growth

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and goodness in my life. So have you had any discussions
with your grandfather or even your father about stepping out
about your appearances on eithermy show or on Gareth Ike's show?
Have you talked to them about any of this shit?
I don't really talk to my fathera lot.
I still haven't sent them their Christmas gifts from last year.

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My grandfather. I really hope that no one in my
family sees any of these interviews.
They probably will and I'm prepared for that.
But really, no, I, I don't, I, you know, I don't think me
sharing any of this stuff is going to make them very happy
because for one, I don't think they really understand why I'm
doing it. And that's fine.
But no, I mentioned on Gareth like that if I try to talk to my

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grandparents about these things,they have these protective
self-defense barriers where theycan't really talk about the dark
things going on around them in their lives.
They have to focus on the good things.
And I think that's perfectly fine for people their age coming
from the world that they came from the 60s and everything that
that's their path. And it's my path to unravel all

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of the darkness. And that's not an easy thing to
take on. Well, that question came live
off of one of our YouTube watchers, MK Icky.
So I just wanted to make sure I give credit to to to them.
I added a little bit about your,your grandfather, but just thank
you for posting your questions in the comments.
Please have them have them keep coming and I'll, I'll fit them

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in when I can for sure. Something that I'm pretty
curious about. Has there been any censorship
push towards you in this at all,from either the entities that
have originally done any of thisto or with you, or from
mainstream media entities? Anything at all?
Has there been any any effort totry to censor you?

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I think the effort to try to censor me, as you know, been
ongoing for the last 12 years. They were more preventative
measures. And I'm at this point I realized
that most of what they do is an illusion.
They're masters of illusion. So I'm here, I'm talking maybe
in the last couple of weeks, some things have popped up here

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and there, but nothing that I don't really want to talk about
that or focus my energy on that because I don't, I don't want to
feed into that. You know, I don't want to feed
into that. Let's just say I'm, I'm fine,
everything's fine. I'm going to keep going ahead
and nothing's stalking me. So I got another question that

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just came through. This is from that podcast and
Nights of the Storm we have, looks like we have the two hosts
in here right now. One of those hosts wants to
know, did you know immediately that COVID was a trauma mind
control agenda? Well, I mean, I've been
following people like David Ickeand Alex Jones since I was 16.

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They've been talking about the, the, the, the huge, what are
they, those huge facilities where they have body bags and
stuff since I was 16, you know, so they've been talking about
they're going to do this big thing for so many years.
And that was the big thing. So yes, I, I, I knew immediately
that that was the big thing. Did I was, the question is, did

(32:55):
I think that the virus was real,like was a real threat from the
beginning? And honestly, I, I don't think I
did. I don't think I ever took it
seriously at all. Because for one, like in the
history of mankind, when, if we locked down the entire planet
all at once for a, for a virus, we're going to die.
Let us let's fucking die. This guy is going to die.

(33:16):
And you can't stop an airborne, not an airborne, that kind of
transmissible virus. You can slow it down slightly,
but you can't stop it from reaching its end goal.
You can't. So there's no point in shutting
down the whole world. So for me it was this is all
performative from the first moment.

(33:36):
I just want to share a little bit of information that so
recently we've been kicked off aTikTok and it's it, I just, I
think the whole TikTok and, and how that's been influenced or
the influence that it's had on just the, the global script, if
you will, when COVID first started.

(33:58):
And I'm probably going to get some sort of message from
YouTube or some other socials that we're on right now about
how I shouldn't say naughty words like COVID, but when when
COVID first started, I remember we could.
Say lockdowns instead of COVID. Oh, I don't, I don't care.
I personally couldn't, couldn't care less.

(34:20):
Yeah, I, I do AI do a podcast onconspiracies and it's, it is
what it is. It's the, it is what it is.
There you go. So I, I remember when the whole
COVID thing first started, I wasstill in the Navy at the time.
And I remember 2 specific clips on news channels, pretty much,

(34:40):
you know, anywhere where I, where I was, because I want to
say I was traveling back and forth between Virginia and
California to do some detachments during that time
frame. And it was, I believe France was
one of them. There was a hospital in France
or many clips coming out of France where they were showing
the, the body bags that you had just talked about right?

(35:01):
Where they were just lining themup outside of the, the hospital.
But I think the, the, the real mistake that they made was that
they also were showing clips from hospitals in New York City
and people were flooding to TikTok, you know, nurses and
other practitioners and the, themedical field that are around or
in these hospitals. We're sending clips of them

(35:23):
unloading these body bags out ofshipping containers and
truckloads of them instead of taking them away from the the
hospital. They were loading them up
outside to basically what like they were staging this and it
was it was really eye opening tomyself at that time that, you
know, this is kind of like my aha moment.

(35:45):
My Co host, Jeff, that would typically be here with us
tonight is, you know, he's, he understands how this stuff goes
already. But this was kind of like my, my
introduction to Hey, everything you see is not how it actually
is, but you're, you're, you're being controlled.
And you know, when you come on, you talk about the, the stuff
that you went through and you'veseen a lot of parallels, right?

(36:08):
You're just seeing it on a, on asmaller scale, you're seeing it
happen to one person. And we, we specifically talked
about a gathering that that you attended last time we talked,
right? That's a, that's a smaller
scale. And then of course, there wasn't
body bags, but there's still a lot of parallels there.
I just want, I just thought thatwas interesting.
And I also wanted to just say fuck you TikTok, because, you
know, whatever, it just doesn't like some of the things that we

(36:31):
talk about here on the show, butwhatever it's, it is what it is.
So, but no, no current censorship or anything like
that. Nothing since the the the two
episodes have come out where people are like, Hey, don't you
talk about that. Look, the way it works is that
they do it symbolically. You go for a walk and maybe

(36:55):
someone next to you will say something and it'll sound like
it's to someone else, but it will be like a threat.
Or maybe there's just things that I really just don't want to
mention because they're just so negative and I don't want to put
that out there. But the those kinds of things

(37:17):
would be symbolic. It would have to be in a
symbolic way around me because that's how they get away with
what they do all the time. And then of course, I have a big
interview coming up on the and for some reason on the 11th,
that's the day that the people are coming to take the Internet

(37:37):
away because we cancelled it because I don't want Internet
and the house anymore. And I just find it funny that
they've chosen that particular day when I'm going to view a
very big interview. And I don't have any other way
to to use the Internet right nowbecause my partner's away for a
few weeks, so a couple of weeks.So I'm in the countryside and

(38:00):
all I've got is my phone Internet and the landline
Internet. So hopefully it will work out on
the day of the big interview. So I'm more like looking out for
things like, you know, is the Internet going to work, that
kind of thing. I think, I think it will be
fine. I think if anything, there'll be
a few moments here and there will go out.

(38:21):
You know, again, it's it's aboutillusion more than anything
else. Yeah, I've been doing this
podcast for five years now, and I can tell you one thing from
experience with it. It's when you start getting into
the really deep, deep topics that Internet just randomly cuts
out. It's it's it's crazy.
And I know a lot of people. There'll be messages in my DMS

(38:43):
after this. This episode goes live where,
you know, because when, when youhad broken off there for a
minute, the interruption that wehad, I'd said, oh, somebody
doesn't want us talking about this.
And I, I make mention of that pretty much every time that it
happens and somebody wants to message me and say, Ah, man, you
know, you stop getting full of yourself.
You know, nobody cares about your little podcast or whatever.

(39:05):
It's like, well, it's pretty convenient that every time it
happens, it's specifically when we're diving into some really
dark stuff. We never get this when we talk
about like, let's say cryptids, like if we're talking about
Bigfoot with a Bigfoot researcher, we don't get
interrupted. But when we're talking about
like some of the really deep, dark, twisted truce of the

(39:26):
underbelly of the celebrity lifestyle and and world, yeah,
it then the Internet goes out, you know?
Most of these people are under surveillance all the time.
Oh yeah, so and. Of course, of course.
Yeah, cool. Let's try to try and keep it

(39:51):
going. I have a bad habit of
sidetracking into other things. I do it all the time.
That's why it's called. Well, let me know when we get to
like a bit, just a bit over an hour because I would eventually
like to get into some of these things.
Well, how about this, let's let's dive into what you're
wanting to get into so we can make sure we get that.
And then with any time at the end, if you want to answer some

(40:13):
more questions, then we'll we'lldive into that.
And if not, I mean, you're always welcome to come back on
the show. We've talked about possibly
doing a third already. So there'll be questions for
next time too. Well, something that my
grandparents taught me. You know, my grandfather was one
of the most famous people on theplanet for quite a few years and

(40:34):
that does something. You know, that's a lot.
He could have spent the rest of his life in very influential and
powerful circles. But for whatever reason, and
there's good reasons and bad reasons, he decided to live a
more low profile life, sold his mansion and bought houses in
more normal residential areas and went to theaters or clubs

(40:58):
that were more intimate rather than doing large tours and
things like that. And whenever we stayed in nice
hotels, we wouldn't stay in like, oh, it's one of those big
ones like The Four Seasons and stuff like that.
We wouldn't stay in those huge, massive fancy hotels we had the
money to, but we'd stay in the the more intimate ones.

(41:19):
And instead of buying Gucci and Prada, they would buy, you know,
things from boutiques that were handmade.
And so I had this live this kindof life where my family had all
of the potential to go in all ofthese big directions.
But they decided to keep things small and intimate.
And I'm very glad that I had that subtle influence in the

(41:42):
background because now I'm doingthis thing.
I'd rather build a good relationship with a few people
and build a solid following thanjust, you know, just charge
ahead and just get the next big thing and the next big thing and
the next big thing. I don't need that.
I don't, I don't need it. So coming back and doing more

(42:04):
thorough interviews and doing things slowly and building
things up and it's more real, it's more authentic and it's
more effective in my opinion. No.
And I, I couldn't agree with youmore.
I mean, it's, it's a nice controlled release of of what
you've been through and the information that you want to put
out there. I respect it for sure.

(42:24):
So what else do you got? What would you like to talk
about tonight? So we already went into a little
bit one of those first questionson how they select.
I guess we could talk a bit moreabout that.
Honestly, it was better when when we did this interview when
it was 3/5 in the morning because I was.
You were you were fully lucid. Yes, I was way more relaxed like

(42:48):
anyway. So how do they select people?
Yeah, let's talk about that. Birth charts proximity, meaning,
you know, are there certain clusters of cults or military or
various aspects of the criminal network and they there's someone

(43:10):
in the nearby neighborhood that might spark interest.
And then obviously you have the energetic aspect.
These people, they can see someone's energy and actually
someone mentioned on your podcast on under under our
episode on YouTube of the movie Doctor sleep.
And it's incredibly realistic. It's terrifyingly realistic.

(43:34):
It was very hard for me to watchit.
I've watched it a few times. It's a great movie, but the way
that the the group of magicians or whatever they are selected
the children to to feed on theirsoul, to give them immortal life
and all of these various spiritual powers is very

(43:54):
accurate. They sense, they think they can
go around and sense energetically the people around
them. And then of course, you have
bloodline aspect of if you're within a certain family, it
doesn't matter if you have a special occult power or not,
you're still somewhat targeted for specific usefulness and

(44:18):
purposes. In my case, just the fact that I
was born into a famous family, I'm already exposed to all of
these kinds of people who are looking out for these kinds of
people. And then I would say that if you
have a particular birth chart, they look into your birth
charts, they look into your potential future and potential
power that you have and the potential money that you can

(44:38):
generate. If you're a child, they'll
invest in you and they don't need the permission of your
parents. They'll just invest in you.
They'll put you on a little listand be like, this person is
going to be useful and we're going to groom this person to to
grow up a certain way and we're going to lead them down a
certain path. And then they're going to get

(45:01):
introduced to this person, introduce that person either
music wise or entertainment wise.
I'm just focusing on the entertainment aspect, but it
applies to many different walks of life, but it's focused on the
entertainment aspect. So they lead you into that world
and, and that's an investment, that investment of time and
energy and thought of leading this person down this path

(45:23):
because eventually I can profit off of this person, whether it's
financially or energetically. It's both really.
And then they do obviously the mind control aspect of it.
So they'll have you taken at a certain, at certain points
during your childhood, they'll have you taken and drugged and

(45:44):
put through various trauma basedmind control scenarios.
I would say people like Lady Gaga and Ariana Grande were put
through these types of trauma based mind control things and it
creates sort of dissociative abilities so that they can use
trigger words to send you into these dissociative states to

(46:06):
tell you exactly what to where to go and stuff like that.
And because I didn't have a lot of exposure to the mind control
aspect was never, I never got tothat point of that type of
manipulation and control. I went through certain things,
but I never went through a complete program.

(46:27):
So I'm not, I don't have those dissociative capacities.
I cannot be LED, not how they would like me to be LED anyway.
So that's how they select peopleand, and the reason why they
select people for their various motives.

(46:47):
And then do you have any questions on that?
Yeah. What aspects of the birth chart
are they looking at? Do you do you know?
Well, I'm not an astrologer. It really helps.
If it had anything to do with astrology periods.
It really, really, really helps if you have a birth time of the
individual, because if you have the birth time, you can more or

(47:08):
less accurately predict at what time in their life they'll be
successful. But even without that, the birth
time, you can have an idea of ifsomeone has strong creative
capacity or strong community, community communication

(47:29):
abilities and whether or not they are very attractive to
others. All the things you would want in
someone in entertainment. So I can't give you specific
signs or placements or anything like that.
I'm not an astrologer, but an astrologer crew.
That's as much as I can say about that.

(47:50):
Yeah, I just wrote down because I don't have too much knowledge
in the astrology world either, but it's something that I've
always been interested in. I mean, I've always kind of
been, I've, I've been in the thought space, if you will, that
if a subject has enough followers, there's a reason
behind it, right? Just because I don't see

(48:11):
personally a lot of connections to astrology and that kind of
aspect of of interest that people have.
There's got to be something to it.
Because a lot of these people that are claimed were thought to
be within these networks, right?As especially in the celebrity
side of things and the politicalside of things, we know that

(48:32):
they are very heavily into astrology and other similar
practices. So I actually just wrote down
here, look for a good astrologer.
To see everything is based off of astrology.
Everything. All of the sacred books, all of
the big world events in history,everything.
When they do various ceremonies like bringing in a new queen or

(48:56):
a new king or a new Pope or a new emperor or a new politician
for thousands of years, everything is based off of
astrology. Everything.
I need to find a good guest thatcan really break that down.
I had, I had somebody come on orwas was going to come on who I,

(49:17):
I thought was going to be able to break this down very well for
us. But they blew us off 3 times in
a row. Yeah.
And it was, it was. It was the day of recording,
too. No, that's terrible.
Looks like we got our first chatfrom Twitch.
Looks like Twitch is starting tobuild back up.

(49:37):
Spectrum Assassin. Long time listener to the shows
but it comes in and and checks us out all the time.
Says it's numerology. It can be used to determine your
type. Sorry, it could be used.
It could be used to determine your type.
Yes, yes, yes. So that would be your your like
birth, pass your life, pass all of that stuff, which is very

(50:02):
useful. Now I'll go into that.
The point of astrology and numerology and everything the
entire universe is this vast web, this vast web of of cogs
and wheels and every single thing is connected everything.
And if you are in TuneIn the right way, you can make

(50:27):
connections between everything and reveal pretty much anything
about any. If you, if you're in tune, if
you can TuneIn onto that web, that vast universal web,
everything is there. It's mathematics.
And of course you have to have certain kind of mind to be an
astrologer or a numerologist. You have to have a certain kind

(50:50):
of mind. You can't just be a
mathematician or a physicist. You have to be open to emotion
to to shifts within human consciousness, to shifts within
the human race at large and the various ages and cycles that we
that we go through. You have to pay attention to

(51:10):
things. And then from a very personal
point of view, in one outer bodyexperience that I had many years
ago, not many years ago, like 767 years ago, I went back in
time, thousands of years, and I met these people that were
living in a sort of desert landscape in these sort of huts
made out of leaves, like dried leaves and reeds and things.

(51:33):
And they had pitch black skin and they were painted in this
fluorescent blue paint and they were making jewellery and bags
and things. And the person that I was
watching looked at me in a way and told me without moving his
lips while speaking, he told me that a long time ago people

(51:56):
could talk to the stars as easily as people talk to each
other today as easily as that. And this might sound a bit nuts,
but going into that aspect of making connections and figuring
things out and this kind of ideaof physics that there is no
space between anything, there isno distance between anything,

(52:17):
how does the Internet work? How does information travel
halfway across the planet instantaneously?
It's the same system that information can travel across an
entire Galaxy instantaneously. There's a lot to unfold here.
There's a lot to unfold in this one because there's there's a
lot of parallels. There's a lot of parallels.

(52:37):
We had a, a gentleman that came on and specifically told us
about his research into the starpeople from Native American
more, right? And they had a lot of mind speak
and nonverbal communication between various Native American
tribes throughout the United States and these star people or
star children that they would call them, right?
Depending on what the regional area of the the country was,

(53:00):
they had different names for them.
And then you also have this, this whole sector of science,
especially like psychologists who it's it's kind of a
emergent, if you will, of like apsychologist and anthropologist,
right, who believe that verbal communication was built because

(53:22):
of population, right? Because of the density of people
with population density OK. Right.
How many people you can fit? So basically the.
The need for verbal communication became it became a
need eventually. It became and there there's so
many different theories about this too.

(53:42):
I I've seen theories on this that go along the the the route
of it's more calorically efficient to use verbal
communication then it would be Helena mind power.
Helena Blavatsky in her Secret Doctrine goes into all of this
very, very well on how the humanrace developed and how we went

(54:06):
from a species that communicatedthrough the mind at a time when
the earth was covered in a thickmist, watery mist and everything
was dark. So we didn't really have need to
see when our physical eyes. So we we saw etherically and we
spoke etherically and we didn't really use our vocal cords and

(54:27):
slowly over time things develop.Helena Levatsky is where I I go
to for that that kind of that kind of information.
Be interested to look into what what you're the people you're
talking about. There's there's two more aspects
of the show that we've covered at one point or another.
We had a huge and this might be way, way outside of the box here

(54:47):
on this particular episode, but we have had this one guest on a
couple of times. His name's Carter Bush Hard, and
he does specific research into acommunications of Bigfoot,
Sasquatch, right, and other bipedal apes hidden in plain
sight that utilize mindspeak. He has an entire series of books
dedicated to the study of this and his experiences with this.

(55:11):
And now we're also seeing this other aspect in which we've
talked a little bit on this. I'm actually going to be a part
of a panel in Fond du Lac, WI onMother's Day to 2026.
So if anybody's interested in that, come check me out there.
I'll be with the the Caps team out in Fond du Lac where we're

(55:32):
going to be talking about CE5, close Encounters of the Fifth
Kind. That's making a huge headway
right now with how people are non verbally or mind
communicating with UFOs. They're able to control them or
at least pull them into their local vicinity simply by
utilizing this exercise known widely as CE5 now.

(55:55):
So it there seems to be an aspect of this making its way
back into the world that we know.
Because if you look at all the news stations at least over like
let's say the last year specifically, we've seen more
UFO topics break the headlines than we've ever seen in the
history of humankind, at least into in since 1952 when we had

(56:18):
that huge flap of UFO spotted over the United States Capitol
in Washington, DC. So there, there's a lot to be
said about this nonverbal communication.
Well, in the United States between the 70s and the 90s,
there was a particular program, I think Stargate program, where
they funded millions and millions of dollars into this

(56:41):
program about remote viewing. They don't spend 2 decades
spending millions on a program that doesn't work.
And the whole point was that people could travel with their
mind to any point, not just on this earth, but in the universe.
So that that was government money.

(57:01):
So we really officially know that these things are possible.
And honestly, I would say that alot about technology and
Internet communications came from the studies, the early
studies that they did with remote viewing and this type of
this, where you can communicate with people across the globe or

(57:27):
offload, you know, the government knows about these
things. The government definitely knows
about it. We had somebody in the chat on
YouTube mentioned the minister of Goats, right?
That is a Hollywood movie based off of the project Stargate and
what they did, right? And you had a lot of major

(57:47):
people like McDougal or McDougal.
But there's a yeah, it's a greatmovie.
It's hilarious actually, too. It's really.
Funny, but they are. The Jedi references was just
amazing because I don't know if you've seen the the prequels of
Star Wars. Obi Wan Kenobi was a Jedi in the

(58:10):
prequels and then he's the like the main character in then
hysteric codes and he like makesreferences to the Jedi like 4
times. It's just oh it's hilarious.
It's so. I wish, I wish actually, it
might be a blessing that I don'thave any of my Co hosts with me
tonight because I catch crap allthe time because I've never seen
Star Wars so. You're not a movie guy, though.

(58:31):
You're not a movie. Guy, I'm not, I'm not.
I have seen my stare at Goats, though.
I have actually. I did a whole pot, a whole
podcast on another show called the, the title of the show that
or the podcast that we did with them was Podcasters Who Stare at
Goats. It was all about that, that
movie. So I had to watch it for that,
for that. But I just want to make mention

(58:51):
because I love books. OK, if anybody's watching
Infinite Rabbit Hole for the first time, you'll know I love
books. But there is a book out there
called out there. See that by Howard Bloom.
And he actually goes into a lot of the really deep back history
of Project Stargate and where itstarted.
So it originally started off as a project called Scanning, which

(59:14):
is a combination word, a compound word combining the word
scanning and coordinate, right? So project scanning was the
original project. And he goes into a lot of
specific events that happened inWashington DC where they were
testing all this out. Like this one sailor who was

(59:35):
picked for the project scanning program, who was in a in a lead
case room and he had to find 9 different submarines around the
base are around around the planet.
And he he was able to find them perfectly.
And this is actually where project scanning split into two
different programs, one of them being the Stargate program that

(59:58):
we all know about. Now that's been declassified and
apparently Bunnier quotes shut down, right?
That's been discontinued. But then the other one, which is
Project Aquarius, which there's a lot of.
Theories about what project Aquarius potentially could have
been or is one of which being highly I I would say the real

(01:00:19):
project blue book, right. So project blue book came out by
the Air Force and it was a wholeresearch program.
It was shit really what it was it was it was crap.
But it's thought that project Aquarius was a real reason
behind that because when they were testing all these people
and project scanning and gettingDC to to pitched the funding for

(01:00:41):
all of this. These people who were subject to
the testing in front of congressman and other big named
or bigwig people in the government.
They discovered that a lot of these nuclear submarines that
they had at the time were actually being followed by UFOs,
which gave birth to the whole project Aquarius.

(01:01:01):
It's a great book. I highly recommend it.
Never heard. Of never heard that part of the
story before. Yes, it's, it's very
interesting. I do.
While we're on the subject of books, I bought a book last time
we talked like I do with a lot of my guests.
I buy books all the time at the astral body and other astral
phenomena. You recommended this book to me.

(01:01:21):
Does this cover any of the stuffthat you were just talking about
when it comes to like astrology and the birth charts and stuff?
Is that, is that all covered in this?
I haven't read it yet. No, it's not.
It's not an astrology book. It's, it's one of, I think 5
books about the various spiritual bodies of man.
And it just tries to give a verydetailed and thorough

(01:01:45):
understanding of the function and anatomy, let's say, of each
of these bodies. So it's a very, what do you call
it, like a very clinical kind ofbook, you know, very specific.
Well, all right, I didn't mean to derail us down that whole
rabbit hole. I do that a lot.
Sorry. Well, that's what these long

(01:02:06):
form podcasts are about. It's it's like a conversation
between friends. So perfectly.
It's great. Good.
Yeah, what else? What else did you have for us
tonight? I know you said you had a list
of things. Oh, man, I love the
participation by YouTube. Right now their chat is is
blowing up. It's, it's amazing because we
don't like I said, we don't get a lot of people watching on

(01:02:28):
YouTube, especially the live shows, but we do get a lot of
people watching the, the reruns or the, you know, the on demand
stuff where they could just click on an episode and watch
it. But I mean, we are.
Yeah, no, I noticed your subscriber amount went up a lot
since the interviews, so they probably.
Yeah, the the the the Gareth Ikeepisode are where you were on

(01:02:50):
with him really propelled our YouTube presence.
It's been great. By the way, your episode with us
has over 1500 viewing hours attached to it now, which is
amazing. So thank you for that.
Oh, no. Are you frozen?
She was going to the list. Everybody, I have you double on

(01:03:13):
here now, is that going to kick over to?
What? There's two of them.
I see two of you on on my screenon Riverside at least.
I can hear your voice double as well.
I don't know why it's. Oh no, whatever looks like looks
like. It's still working.
OK, All right. I do have a lot.

(01:03:33):
I have a lot to talk about and I'm like looking at everything
and I'm like overwhelmed. OK, so I just got to like #1 on
the list, which is how do they select targets?
I hope that that was concise enough.
If anyone has any questions about that, please go ahead.
And now very briefly on how theydo rituals on these individuals.

(01:03:58):
Now, of course you have. This isn't my case, but you have
people being physically brought into rituals that can be in
underground facilities, it can be at people's private homes,
and it can even be done in hotels.
They'll have specific hotels where things like this can can
be done, and it's usually in a kind of quiet hotel.

(01:04:18):
And they often have a certain kind of paintings on the walls
that might be reminiscent of either the occult or sexual
abuse and things like that, or mind control symbolism, stuff
like that. So we'll have specific hotels
where the, the person running the hotel knows what's going on
and they'll do rituals in these hotels.

(01:04:38):
Some of the people like me, the targets, depending on, you know,
their particular situation, theycan be sent either into a trance
or they can be drugged, or they can be basically unconscious or
sent into a dissociative state. So they have no memory of what's
going on. And they can be brought into

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these rituals and used within these rituals for their for
their energy, let's say. But when you bring in someone
who has a very powerful spirit, soul or energy, it's useful for
their ceremonies and rituals. And in my personal opinion, most
of the groups that do these rituals, they're all full of
shit. They think they're doing some

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kind of high special magic, but they're all just a bunch of
assholes. And it's very few occult groups
that are actually doing very serious high magic.
A lot of these people are just bored, perverted old fucks who
just want something to do. And yes, there is energy and

(01:05:42):
spirituality and there are. There's magic going on, but it's
not of a high order. It's a very lowly order,
especially when you find these sort of these sort of cult like
groups in these small villages in the middle of nowhere because
they're everywhere. These cults, they're, it can be
in a, in a village, up a mountain in the middle of

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nowhere where you would least expect it, but there'll be
signs, you know, there'll be signs.
So there's that aspect. But then on someone like me who
I don't, I don't have the dissociative aspect.
Maybe there was one or two timesin my life where I was taking
without my knowledge. But if they're going to do
rituals on me, it's either been in like an apartment that I was

(01:06:25):
staying at, They'll rent out theapartment next door and they'll
do a ritual next to me or withina hotel, I'll be staying at a
hotel. And they would have planned this
in advance and they would have brought people into the hotel to
do the ritual in another room with me close.
But then, of course, you don't actually need to be in physical

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proximity when you're asleep. They can call to you, they can
call to you, and they can summonyour consciousness within a
ritual and utilize your energy for their particular ritual.
So another aspect that we spoke about in the previous podcast

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with you was how the network functions and where they get
various practitioners and occultists.
So you'll have very important, powerful occult groups who
really know what they're doing and they're sort of at the
centre and there's more than oneacross the world, but they're

(01:07:30):
sort of at the centre of wherever they are.
And then you have a lot of various occult groups and
schools and groups and where, you know, even in my local town,
they'll have my local city, they'll have, you'll find these
pamphlets around that are like inviting young students to come

(01:07:50):
and try gnosis and Gnostic magicand stuff like that.
We'll invite you and, and then they have a lot of useful
people, useful people that they can say, OK, we're, we're
learning how to do gnosis or we're learning how to do magic.
We're learning how to do psychicabilities and stuff like that in
our little course. It's all very innocent, but the

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person within the, within the course or within a group or the
teacher or the master, they're connected to this network.
And if some higher up within thenetwork needs to utilize
someone, some individual for some lower kind of work to say,
for example, magically groom an individual in a certain way,
they can contact one of the people within one of these

(01:08:33):
groups where they're learning how to develop psychic power.
And the teacher will go, hey, I want you to do a exercise, a
particular exercise. I'd like you to go to the bridge
and I'd like you at, at this specific hour and I'd like you
to tune in to this specific person and they'll give them a
name and or they'll give a photograph.

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I'd like you to tune in on this particular person and I'd like
you to call them to you. And they'll send their student
off to the bridge and the student will go there and
they'll go into their, whatever it is, meditation or trance or
imaginative process. And they'll start calling this
person energetically. And sometimes it can work and
sometimes it cannot work. If the target is someone who's

(01:09:17):
very psychically in tune, they'll go there.
They'll think, huh, I want to walk to the bridge.
I'm I don't know why, I just want to walk to the bridge.
They're basically, it's thought transference basically.
So they can use useful idiots for exercises like that on
targets that they want to keep up with on a regular basis.

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But the people, the higher ups who are interested in that
person don't obviously they havelives, you know, So I hope this
is making sense. But to give an idea of how Avast
the network is and how that those aspects work.
And then you have different levels of practitioners, right?

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You have the higher ups who are are very well versed in magic
and know exactly what they're doing.
And then you have various skilled witches, psychics and
seers and things like that that they can use for various
purposes who are outside of the higher group.
They don't take part in rituals,they don't show up to the

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meetings, but they're important contacts.
And then the lower level people would be the ones like I
mentioned the the student that was sent on a certain task.
And then the kinds of people that they use, they have low
vibratory people and they have high vibratory people depending
on what kind of outcome they want.

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So they can use mentally ill people and they can use disabled
people because these people generate a lot of negative
energy. They use them for generating
negative energy. They use them for attracting
demonic and low vibratory entities.
They use them either within rituals or within targeting

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certain individuals energetically and spiritually.
And then they can have people who are very high vibratory
people who are actually very beautiful, wonderful,
incredible, amazing psychics andseers.
And they use them when they wantto inspire something within
someone. And usually this high vibratory

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practitioner does not realize they are working for the
network. They are think they are doing a
favour for a friend. So different levels of useful
individuals for a hierarchy within the network.
And then they have different, you have the different methods

(01:11:45):
of magic, you have things sort of like voodoo.
I won't say it's voodoo, but it's what we associate voodoo
with, you know, like shrines, candles, animal sacrifice, pins
and things like that and all of that.
You can have individuals who focus on doing that type of
magic. Then you have individuals who do

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ceremonial magic, which is usually more than one person,
but can be one person on their own.
The ceremonial magic is the kindof classic, what you would
consider Crowley and magic, where they draw the circle and
they have a dagger and they havecertain words that they chant to
certain gobs and things like that.
And then you have trance and meditation where a person is

(01:12:30):
either on their own or in a group and they just go into a
trance. They go into meditation.
Every group, every practitioner has their own thing.
And then of course, you have theastral travel, which can happen
when you lay down and you leave your body or you have the remote
viewing. And the remote viewing is very
interesting because when you're seeking to, to target someone

(01:12:52):
energetically and, and magically.
But before I go into that, one of the training methods for
remote viewing, well, just for building up spiritual abilities
in general, is learning how to transfer your consciousness into
objects or animals. So you'll go into meditation and
you'll, you'll learn how to, you'll focus on transferring

(01:13:14):
your consciousness into this, into this jar of honey.
And you'll imagine seeing the room around you from that jar of
honey's perspective. And you'll do that with things
around you. And then you can do it with a
tree. And then you'll move up to
practicing with animals to transfer your consciousness into

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animals, which is something that's well known with
mythology. You know, the witch who
transfers her consciousness intoa crow?
Yeah, a lot of a lot of birds, alot of them.
Yeah, birds. And then you have the whole
thing about werewolves where it was some dark sorcerers
transferring their consciousnessinto wolves so that they could

(01:13:55):
go and satiate their desire to munch on that.
That particular I took from thisparticular kind of story I've
taken from the book that you've got.
There's a section in there aboutwerewolves that you might find
fun. Anyway, so where was it going?
Transferring the consciousness into objects, into things to

(01:14:16):
build up your spiritual abilities and awareness and your
psychic abilities. Now, when you're targeting an
individual to either gain control over them spiritually or
to harvest their energy or turn them into a battery, you can use
that kind of remote viewing or transferable consciousness going
into their body. You want to transfer your

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consciousness into into. You can't take over someone's
body, not without very hardcore,serious, continuous work.
It's a lot of work because you have to breakthrough all of the
barriers, all of the spiritual bodies.
You have to put holes through them.
You have to bring them down lower.
Vibratory. We have natural defense

(01:15:00):
mechanisms around us, but they can get to a certain stage of
degradation through this processwhere they can transfer their
consciousness into certain organs of yours and certain
chakras within your body. And those would be exercises to
slowly, eventually the goal is to have as much control over you

(01:15:20):
as possible and to disconnect your human consciousness from
your soul consciousness. And this goes back into the idea
of selling your soul, because human being is supposed to be
more or less guided by their soul, which is guided by God.

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And if you can muck up all of the various things that we have
in place to connect us to our soul, that guidance is not so
easily given. So they want to replace the
guidance from your soul with theguidance from the occultist.
That's the closest thing you canget to selling your soul.
Your soul is still there, but they've pushed it down into this

(01:16:06):
as far away from your physical consciousness as possible.
And then they've taken that thatrole of guidance.
So now occultly and magically, they can send you, they can send
you ideas, they can, they can tell you where to go and tell
you what to think through magical means.

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Now, of course you can do this with mind control technology as
well, but I think the mind control stuff, if it's done to a
real extent, that it's doing allof those things as well.
It's breaking you down spiritually.
And I don't think that the mind control really works without the
degradation of the spirit bodies.

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Any questions? Yes, it got a bunch.
Let's see, just working from thebottom up.
One from YouTube. Can you ask her if they use
drugs and addicts for harvestingand as conduits or portals?
I think of people who use methamphetamine and the shadow
people they commonly see. It's actually a great question.

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Well, yes, that could be very possible because drug addiction
you generate a lot of chaotic energy and they utilize this
chaotic energy and their own magic.
So yes, that's that's very possible.
As I said that they use mentallyill people, There could be drugs

(01:17:33):
involved as well. When I say they use mentally ill
people, I mean really they'll they'll bring in someone who's
very mentally ill into a cult like setting.
They'll teach them spiritual practices, ceremonial magic and,
and things like that, knowing that that person is deeply
disturbed and that they will generate a lot of negative

(01:17:58):
energy. And it's like you have a, a
toolkit. You're, you're one of these
elites. You have a toolkit.
Who do I need to use today? This very mentally disturbed
individual with very negative things surrounding them who's
also has knowledge of magic? Or do I need a, a very high

(01:18:20):
vibratory, spiritually sound individual for the work that I
wish to achieve in this particular goal?
So they have this vast toolkit of different kinds of
individuals that they can utilize for their occult
purposes, which is just, it's nuts.
Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of connections made here.
Last time you were on, we talkedheavily or briefly but heavily

(01:18:43):
on the concept of the chakra andhow the sexual chakra was often
manipulated by some of these people within the network in
order to gain control. So I'm seeing a lot of
connections there and. So the chakra, the lower chakra,

(01:19:04):
it's the animal nature of the human being.
And our purpose as human beings is to transcend out of our
animal nature into a higher consciousness.
What is our animal nature? Our animal nature is our
immediate pleasures. Thirsts, hungers, desires are in
the immediate things that we canto get to satiate ourselves.

(01:19:27):
Those are our lower animal desires and natures.
And the sex proper is is that isprecisely that.
Or it could be the one. Maybe the sexual is the second
one. I don't know, I can't remember.
So like a like a primitive kind of thing, the basic ones.
Yeah, OK. The animal nature within man.
Eat. Yeah, fuck, drink and be merry,

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right? And we are supposed to transcend
that, to have higher experiencesand be more intellectual and
more compassionate, more spiritual.
We're supposed to stop and thinkbefore we act and not just act
and be like, I'm going to take that because I need that now.
I want it. I want that food now.
You know, you have to think 1st and you have to be conscious of

(01:20:09):
what you're doing. So the lower lower chakra.
That's where they get into your animal nature, because it's the
easiest point of attack. You know, everyone wants sex.
You know everyone wants food, everyone enjoys food and sex.
So can we distort and twist and pervert their sexual nature, and

(01:20:34):
then through that perversion anddistortion that we've instilled
in them, manipulate them and guide them towards even more
perverse and corrupt things? And that's the point of a lot of
the abuse. Introducing a lot of this abuse
at a young age perverts the mindso that you have more perverted
desires and needs and a way to control you through that.

(01:20:58):
So all connected. I do have a question here that I
believe was asked twice. Are the locations used for
programming on certain Ley lines?
Are you familiar with Ley lines?I haven't thought about this but
I would say absolutely yes. Absolutely yes.

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Because it's not just Ley lines,it's any, any place that
generates some kind of power. Maybe Ley lines have a
particular use or purpose. My grandparents house is on a
Ley line and well it's very hardto sleep there.
You're woken up. You're woken up throughout the
night and you're woken up like multiple times throughout the

(01:21:42):
night. It's a nightmare.
So I guess depending on what purpose the ceremony is for,
they'll use it on Ley lines or various energetic places.
Very interesting. And I do apologize if I'm if I'm
getting away from some people's questions here at chats going
pretty quick and I'm waiting foropen times to ask questions.
So I apologize if I skipped overa few.

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Coco, do you have anything else that you would like to put out
today? How far along are we?
We're at an hour and 45 minutes.Wow.
So the usefulness of the targets, we talked about the
usefulness of the practitioners.We didn't talk about the
usefulness of the targets, and not in detail.

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So some targets have a high vibratory energy.
So say you have a child who's born into a family of occultists
and the cult aspect is secret, it's not known to the child and
that child was born special witha very powerful soul and energy,

(01:22:50):
very beautiful shining light inside them.
That child will be brought into the ceremonies and rituals to
connect them to the divine and utilise the divine energy within
the child for their rituals. Not just a child, but as they
grow older and depending on how things go, the child can be the

(01:23:12):
adult can consciously join the cult or they can continue to be
used against their knowledge. So that's the purpose of high
vibratory soul. And then you have low vibratory
souls, low vibratory people targets.
They can be utilized for specific purposes as well

(01:23:33):
depending on what they need. Usefulness aspect is also the
mind control aspect kind of already spoke about that, I
guess, where they get into your mind and are able to direct you
and depending on, you know, if if you're in their entertainment
or if you're in politics or there's something useful about
you. And then there's the aspect of

(01:23:54):
being a battery. Now this is my personal
experience. I have a lot of energy and I can
be used as a as a battery. And this is going into another
very interesting thing, consciousness Agrigore.
So there's this whole aspect of the cult group where they can

(01:24:16):
create what is known as an Agrigore.
You can look up Mark Stavish wrote a book on this.
And Agrigore is basically a sortof living entity that's created
from the combined thoughts of a group of people.
Now these are created naturally,organically, but they are also
created consciously by occult groups.

(01:24:38):
So they'll have this sort of this realm of consciousness
where they all connect. So within the movie Doctor
Sleep, when these people enteredinto the minds of the other
person, when they were astral projecting or yeah, astral
projecting, they go into their mind world, their dream world,

(01:24:59):
and everyone has a different mind world, dream world that
relates to them, right? It looks different and it holds
your memories and it holds your experiences and your feelings.
And the occult group, what they do is they, they basically open
up this portal and all of the people connected to the group,

(01:25:23):
they jump through this portal and they leave behind their old
sort of astral realms, dream realms, and enter into this new
one where it's a combination of all of theirs.
And there's a lot of demonic activity, a lot of entities
involved in that, in creating this group mind, this group

(01:25:46):
consciousness. And So what they can do with the
target over time, eventually, isthat they can call that target
through astral projection or entering your dreams in through
that portal into their realm of consciousness.
So basically, you leave behind what your dream realm has been

(01:26:09):
your entire life and you enter into theirs.
And once you enter into that realm, it's, if it's a group of
deranged, let's say satanic occultists, it's horrific.
It's a horrific realm to enter into because the imagination
knows no bounds, you know? So when you get into the

(01:26:32):
imagination of sick, perverted, demented people and astral
projection and outer body experience feels just as real as
this right now. It's a different experience, but
it feels just as real. So imagine.
Imagine going into that realm ofconsciousness in an outer body
experience or astral projection,and experiencing that realm of a

(01:26:54):
pure diversity and horror and being caught up in that realm.
And within that realm, they're obviously generating a lot of
chaotic energy. And when you bring someone who
has a very powerful electromagnetic, magnetic energy

(01:27:16):
about them into your egregore ofconsciousness, you're feeding
that group's occult palace. And that's precisely what they
did to me. And then there's another aspect
of you can puppeteer someone's astral body.
You can puppeteer someone etheric.
So basically you can program their astral body to carry out

(01:27:41):
certain tasks within the astral realm.
You can, I don't know, say, I don't know if I can give an
example right now. I think that's enough what I
just said there. OK.
The realm that you were referring to is this similar to
let's say like something where people would visit during a
psychedelic trip such as like DMT or?

(01:28:02):
I know psilocybin technically isn't along the same lines, no.
No, not really. OK.
Because you see the actual realm, it's an incredibly vast
realm and there's so many different layers to it and so
many different pockets within it.
And you can, within the astral realm, build a world.
You can build a house in the astral realm through your

(01:28:26):
imagination, if you have a powerful enough imagination.
And if you have knowledge of magic, knowledge of how to use
the elements to accumulate energy within the
interdimensional realms, you canbuild houses and palaces.
You can build worlds within worlds within worlds, depending
on how skilled you are. And we do this naturally with

(01:28:48):
our own imagination and our own dreams.
We do this naturally, we create these realms, we create these
worlds. And if you're astral projecting,
you can enter into other people's worlds and see them
consciously. Consciously you can create these
realms. And now going into trips, you
know, either with, with or without drugs, going into these

(01:29:08):
trips where you're transcending into different dimensions.
I like to think that most peopleare entering into a more general
dimension where they're where they're seeing the inner
workings of the universe and nature.
And because the astral realm is so infinitely vast, you could

(01:29:29):
really enter anywhere. You could enter into any being's
astral realm or something like that.
I'd say to get into these realmsthat are created specifically by
occult groups. It's something very hard to do
because they're guarded and protected and gated.
And then to get into how what are the methods for creating

(01:29:49):
these realms within the astral, they have to understand that the
imagination isn't something arbitrary.
The imagination is a powerful tool, and that's not something
that you just see on a bumper sticker.
It's literally the source of allmagic.
Imagine the universe as one big imagination.

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Imagine God as one big imagination that thought
everything into existence through its imaginative
capacity. That would mean that our
imagination holds the same poweras the creator of all things in
the universe. Imagine the universe as one big

(01:30:30):
massive mind, and that this physical realm is the furthest
thing from the truth, and that to get closer to that true realm
where everything comes from, enter into the mind.
Enter into the imagination. Very, very interesting concepts.
We've, we've talked a lot, a lotabout similar things.

(01:30:51):
We're I'm going to, I'm going tostay away from that because we
would have another two hour conversation on that alone, I
think. That's I think I've said enough.
I mean whatever you want to ask.Well, I got.
I got, I got a question from somebody on Twitch, a spectrum
assassin who wants to know what about someone who's been able to
travel and dream since a young age, having wild dreams that

(01:31:13):
have never been seen before. So it couldn't be a conjuring of
the subconscious. It means that when he traveled
in his dreams, he's seen places that he'd never seen before, so
it has to be something coming from someone, somewhere else.
Is that what he's trying to say?Spectrum if you could clarify

(01:31:34):
the question I could I could re re ask or if you could answer
her question I got somebody fromYouTube asking was your
grandfather a victim of the program again if you're not
comfortable answering certain things just.
Well, you know. Perfectly fine.
I I want to respect my grandparents privacy in a way.
I haven't even spoken about these things with them.

(01:31:57):
I think I've mentioned enough that I've seen things done
around them and I have to reallythink properly about about that
before I say anything else on it.
Yeah, no problem, No problem. I I understand it.
I'm sure they do too. Let's see, Spectrum on Twitch

(01:32:20):
got back to us. Like I had a dream of Cthulhu
off in the distance of a cityscape.
Had never heard of Cthulhu before then or seen anything on
TV of it. So Cthulhu would be that.
If he's talking about the same thing, it'd be that the creature
thought up by HP Lovecraft. Well, HP Lovecraft was

(01:32:42):
definitely a magician and he wasdefinitely astral projecting.
He was definitely, he was definitely going to other
routes. Percent that those are not just
stories what that guy is talkingabout.
Yeah. As for the names, now, maybe the
name is really coming from interdimensional realm and it's

(01:33:03):
come out and he's heard the name, but As for most entities,
they have multiple names. They have many names and it
comes from differently dependingon who the entity is talking to,
but it can use the same name andthat realm.
If HP Lovecraft had tuned in on that realm and seen this

(01:33:24):
creature and heard this creatureand then wrote about it,
Obviously the power of the imagination of all of the people
that read it contribute to the graphic nature of what you're
going to see. If you're able to tune in on
that. And this is going back to the
CIA military programs in the United States of remote viewing.

(01:33:48):
They want to see inside a safe inside a top secret location.
They can. You want to see inside an
interdimensional realm to A to ainterdimensional entity that's
thousands of years old, you can.We all have that capacity.
So it would be let's just use the example of the safe for a

(01:34:09):
second. And because a lot of people in
the chat over in YouTube are saying connections with like the
upside down from the show Stranger Things.
So if we were to use that as theexample, who, what do you got
there? We call these Dum Dums.
There's there's thousands of them and we don't know what to
do about it. They're little beetles.
They're just everywhere all the time.

(01:34:29):
I think we, I think we have those in Wisconsin too.
But let's say like if you, the government or whatever entity
wanted to see inside of a insideof a safe, right, they would
project into the astral realm, physically move about, which

(01:34:50):
would correlate to the physical realm that we're in now.
And then at will pop in and out between the two realms.
So let's say if they know, what do you got?
In those programs, for those specific purposes, they're not
going into the astral realm. The astral realm, isn't it

(01:35:10):
crazy? It's a crazy realm where
anything, anything can appear toyou and it can appear in all
kinds of crazy ways. They're doing remote viewing,
which is using the mental body, not the astral body, the mental
body. So they're going to see things

(01:35:31):
in a way that correlates to the physical realm.
If you use the astral body, sure, you could achieve it if
you're skilled, but you never really know if what you're
seeing in the astral realm is what you're actually seeing in
in the real world. You would want to use your your
mental vehicle. We have a mind body, we have an

(01:35:51):
astral body, we have a spirit body.
You have various bodies. The mind bodies is the closest
thing to your. So your soul doesn't really feel
feelings. It's moral.
The soul is moral, but it doesn't really feel feelings.
It doesn't feel pleasure or pain.
It's more of a real mind, a realintellect.
It's where the reason comes from, the soul.

(01:36:15):
So when you're remote viewing, you're using this mind, you're
using the lower mind that's connected to me to the Earth.
So different ways of perceiving.Interesting.
We're going to dive into that more when you come back.
Does I think Jeff is going to have a lot of really good
questions for you on that one. That's more of Jeff's realm.

(01:36:35):
That's the whole purpose of thispodcast, right?
We all specialize in certain things and and Jeff is the guy
to really dive into that one. Yeah, I miss.
I miss Jeff. We we miss you, Jeff.
So we'll, we'll, we'll get Jeff back on for the next 1.
He was supposed to be here tonight, but something came up
and you know, we're all human. Well, I hope he's having fun
whatever, wherever he is. I'm sure, I'm sure he is.

(01:36:59):
I I hope he's getting tired. This is most of his bedtime.
So OK, he he wouldn't be able tolast at 3:00 in the morning.
He'd he'd be done done. No, it's.
But before we close out, was there anything else that you
wanted to put out? Not that I can think about.
I mean, everything that I said, we could go into way more detail

(01:37:23):
about every single aspect, right?
I just don't know how to do thateffectively yet.
I'm just, I'm doing my best. I'm trying to go into as much
detail as I can, but I'm nervousand I don't know what the fuck
I'm doing. So I try.
I don't know, I'm trying my best.
One step at a time, one step at a time.

(01:37:43):
I think you're, you're on the right path.
You're doing a lot of really cool things.
You're, you're taking it slow, which I, I respect it.
There's, there's a lot to lot tounravel here and it doesn't need
to be hasteful. Just take your time.
But you're always welcome to come back on the show, always
welcome. And I'd, I, I hope to see you
back on here again so we can delve into this astral body

(01:38:07):
stuff because I think there's, there's a whole another episode
just just in that alone. It's very fascinating.
Now we should spend a full episode talking about mind
control. Yes.
Not the spiritual aspect. The.
You know the hardcore mind control aspect and technology.

(01:38:28):
Because I have some pretty big shit to reveal.
Good about that. That that's honestly that's,
that's more or less the route that I thought we were going
down tonight. But that's yes.
I wanted to start with the magic.
I wanted to start with the magic.
I wanted to go into more detail about the magic because as I

(01:38:48):
said before, the magic has to happen.
So the technology stuff and mindcontrol stuff to work.
So cool. In following that line of
reasoning, we figure out the magic stuff first together, and
then we talk about the mind control stuff and the technology
stuff. Perfect, perfect.
All right, cool. You're all good then.

(01:39:11):
Yeah, I'm good. All right, you had you brought
the crowd tonight. Good stuff.
Thanks, Coco. If you could just hang out just
for a few minutes after we, we, we cut off the recording.
That way I could just make sure I have your stuff uploaded and
then I'll let you go to bed because it's what, 2:00 in the

(01:39:31):
morning there now. Well, I've got so much
adrenaline right now, I'm talking a little bad.
You also drink a whole pot of tea too.
Oh, it's not caffeinate caffeinated tea.
It's I. Was going to say.
It's a type of red flower and it's nettle, stinging nettle and
oregano. Oh man, I see.
I've seen you taking swigs thereand I'm like, oh man, she's
never going to go to sleep. It's not caffeine, no.

(01:39:56):
Well, it's it's always a pleasure, Coco.
It really is. And I love unraveling more of
your story, more of your knowledge, more of your
understanding of the world. It's absolutely fascinating
stuff. It's difficult to be a podcast
host when you're here because I like to just sit here and listen
to you, you know, like, well, itwas nice to be able to hear you
on Gareth Ike show because I gotto kind of sit in the passenger

(01:40:19):
seat there and just go along forthe ride.
So you're fascinating and I loveit.
I love it. Well, I love.
I love your energy and I love Jeff's energy.
I like talking with you guys. I feel, you know, very
comfortable. You guys are very cool.
So I appreciate, appreciate that.
Good stuff. Whoa, Ditto.
I like seriously amazing stuff All right, well that has been

(01:40:41):
another episode of the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast.
Just a few quick announcements. We have episode 250 coming up
here pretty soon, which I do have a special surprise for
everybody. I will be unveiling more
information and a project that I've been working on for over a
year now for episode 250. Thank you to everybody that took
the time to come out and listen to this episode.

(01:41:03):
Thank you to everybody who came out just solely for Coco.
I can. I can almost guarantee that a
majority of you did just that, and I appreciate you coming by
and asking. The questions More of his
episodes. There's almost 250 of them if
you want to, but they're not allas high quality as Coco.
There are some good ones, don't get me wrong, there's some
amazing ones, but Coco really brings the house.

(01:41:24):
Anyways, thank you everybody, and until next time, we'll see
you in the next fork in the pathof the Infinite Rabbit hole.
Bye everybody. Hey everybody, thanks for
checking out the Infinite RabbitHole podcast.
If you're looking for more of our stuff, head on over to
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(01:41:45):
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we'll see you right here in the next fork in the path of the
Infinite Rabbit hole. Bye.

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