August 9, 2024 • 41 mins
What if personal happiness could be hacked? In our premiere episode of season two, we explore the intriguing concept of the hedonic treadmill and discuss how your baseline level of happiness is influenced by genetics, experiences, and mindfulness practices. You'll gain insights into how fleeting both joyous and challenging times are, providing a refreshing reminder that time indeed heals all wounds.
We then shift gears to the power of human connection and the importance of natural living. In a world increasingly defined by digital interactions, we emphasize the irreplaceable value of genuine social connections and shared experiences. From exploring leadership concepts like the HIPPO principle to discussing the health benefits of blue light glasses and grounding practices, we uncover how returning to our roots often holds the keys to enhanced well-being.
Finally, we confront the growing concern about the lack of real human connection in our tech-driven age. We critique the rise of AI-powered wearable devices designed to mimic human companionship and ponder the ethical implications of virtual reality and robotics. Highlighting innovations like the Emerge Wave 1 and robotic construction aids, we celebrate their potential while cautioning against a future where technology overshadows meaningful human experiences. Join us as we navigate these intriguing topics and reflect on how they shape our lives.
We then shift gears to the power of human connection and the importance of natural living. In a world increasingly defined by digital interactions, we emphasize the irreplaceable value of genuine social connections and shared experiences. From exploring leadership concepts like the HIPPO principle to discussing the health benefits of blue light glasses and grounding practices, we uncover how returning to our roots often holds the keys to enhanced well-being.
Finally, we confront the growing concern about the lack of real human connection in our tech-driven age. We critique the rise of AI-powered wearable devices designed to mimic human companionship and ponder the ethical implications of virtual reality and robotics. Highlighting innovations like the Emerge Wave 1 and robotic construction aids, we celebrate their potential while cautioning against a future where technology overshadows meaningful human experiences. Join us as we navigate these intriguing topics and reflect on how they shape our lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back to the Innovate Everything podcast.
I'm your host, john Mode, andI'm joined, as always, by my
co-host, katie Mode, and I wantto formally welcome you to
season two of the InnovateEverything podcast.
I don't know if you've noticed,but the world we live in is
very, very digital.
There are constant barrages ofdata all the time, and one of
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those barrages of data recentlyhas been this keyword innovation
.
Every business you see has aninnovative process innovative
product, innovate, innovate,innovate, innovate.
So in season two we're going totake a step back.
We're going to 30,000 foot view, zoom out and look down at the
industry and say you know what,this season, instead of
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innovating businesses orproducts or talking about very
specific things, we're going toinnovate the macro.
We're going to innovateconcepts.
So this season we're going totackle innovating defiance,
finance, education, art,healthcare, politics, religion,
the way you interact socially,parenting.
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We're going to dive into somethings that historically, people
try to avoid.
We're probably going to upsetyou a little bit because we're
going to be or at least I amgoing to be very opinionated, or
at least I am going to be veryopinionated.
We're going to talk about theactual movers and shakers that
are shifting the industry andchanging how things are
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addressed in day-to-day life.
Again, kind of the concept ofthe hidden innovator.
There are people out there inevery industry that are trying
very hard to shift the industryfor the better and in some cases
for the worse.
And we're going to tackle thosehead on in season two.
So it's been said, a heart atpeace gives life to the body,
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but envy rots the bones.
We're going to dive into what'sthe best way to innovate your
life.
It's so easy to look at yourphone and social media and those
things and just see happyvacations, see all these things.
That's very easy to be enviousof and think to ourselves I want
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that, how do I get that?
And then, naturally the second,you ask how do I get that,
especially out loud and weekweek your phone is listening to
you.
We've played that game.
I'm sure everyone's played thatgame where we say like new car,
new car, new car into yourphone and then all of a sudden
you start getting car ads.
So your phone goes oh, you wantto be happy.
(02:38):
Here's all the things thatpeople have paid for to make you
happy.
So I think it's important tostart with a baseline.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, it's you know, innovating self, innovating
happiness.
I think that there is a lot ofcontent out there about how to
be happier, but there's thisreally interesting phenomenon,
that's you know.
I'm obsessed with thisphenomenon, John.
I think it's just sofascinating, but it's called the
hedonic treadmill or thehedonic baseline.
Those are synonymous, treadmilland baseline.
(03:10):
Have you heard of it?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Vaguely, but not enough to speak to it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Okay.
Well, this is reallyinteresting because the theory
is that the hedonic baseline isyour individual tendency to
return to a consistent level ofhappiness.
Right, so you have this levelof happiness that is innate to
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you and no matter what happens,good or bad, you will ultimately
, with time, return to thisbaseline, which is really
interesting because we're soldthis idea that we can achieve
happiness.
I mean, the American dream hasto do with the pursuit of
happiness.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Wait.
So you mean, no matter how muchmoney I get, no matter how much
I read, how much wisdom Iacquire, no matter how many
pledges of life I indulge in,I'll always somehow manage to be
at my baseline.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Right.
So essentially the idea is thatthe excitement of achieving
those things, or whatever it isthat you're trying that you
think will give you happiness,whatever it is you achieve,
eventually it wears off and thenyou sink kind of back down to
that stable level of yourhappiness, and it's different
for everyone.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So what if I watch a lot of motivational videos where
the guy's like you can beanything you want to be.
All you've got to do is grind,yeah, yeah, if I listen to a lot
of those.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
So you're jumping ahead.
So I'll address that, but we'llcome back.
But essentially, you know yourbaseline is determined by a
couple of different things.
A lot of it is nature, so yourgenetics, but also nurture and
also, just, um, you know,experiences.
So those those three thingsmake up your baseline and there
is some wiggle room.
Like you can raise yourbaseline a little bit by being
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mindful.
Um, great, you know gratitude,prayer, purpose, like all those
like higher level type.
You know activities that we allhave heard about life coaches,
kind of preach them.
They will help raise that thatbar with work.
But that's only like 10% ofwhat makes up your your baseline
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.
50, according to studies, isgenetics.
So I'm sorry to say you areborn with a set baseline of
happiness and no matter whathappens to you, you could go
through the worst tragedy.
Um, you know and I'll let yourminds fill in the blank of what
that is to you you willeventually come back up.
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There's a lot of hope there.
I think it's depressing tothink about it from the coming
back down side, like no matterhow many promotions I get, or
how much wealth I accrue, or howmany kids I have, or how
successful my marriage is you'realways going to kind of float
back down, but also you're goingto come back up, even if you're
going through or going throughthe pits.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So it's true, time does heal all wounds.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Time does heal all wounds.
And also I think this givescredence to some other Proverbs,
like this too shall pass, orthere's a season for everything,
there's a time for celebration,there's a time for mourning
because there is, and thateventually you're going to,
you're going to come back tothat baseline.
Um, you know, and 50% of it isyour genetics, and then 40% of
it is also impacted by your lifeexperiences.
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So your upbringing and justlike things you've been through,
and then again, 10% is, youknow, mindfulness and prayer and
, um, feeling of gratitude, andthat just that like, okay, I
want to feel happier in the longterm.
How do I do that?
You can shift that baseline, butwe're all built with this
innate level and I think that'sso fascinating because you know
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you meet people who just areintrinsically happy or joyful
and you know they might justhave a higher baseline than you,
and that's that's like.
I think that's a good thing tokeep in mind as we're all on
this journey.
To feel happier, to be happier,is like.
What does that mean to me?
Where is my baseline?
And don't beat yourself up Ifyour baseline sits a little
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lower than someone else.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
It doesn't mean you're not happy, it just means
that your your baseline don'tcompare.
Yeah, yeah, don't be envious.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Don't be envious.
It rots the bones.
It rots the bones.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I love that.
So we talk about life and thedigital world that we live in
and we talk about this baselineright In this military grade
propaganda machine that we carryaround in our pocket, that
we're constantly looking atbecause it's I mean, it is
designed to grab our attention.
This thing tells us what makesus happy.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
it's constantly trying to give us dopamine hits
to to pursue that, thatnever-ending happiness that we
never achieve which makes senseif you look back at your
baseline right, because thesedopamine hits are spiking you up
and you're constantly lookingfor more because you're always
going to settle back down.
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So it's like a that's wherethat that drug type response
comes in with the, with thedopamine, because you just
constantly have to hit it tokeep to, to stay up that level
where you're not naturallysupposed to exist.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, and I don't think on that side of it, on
that baseline level, we neverleave the child at Christmas,
right when we're waiting forsomething exciting our new
computer, our new phone, ourbuying a new house, whatever it
is Our new baby, our new babyOur excitement level for that,
before it comes, is incrediblyhigh.
(08:42):
Man, this house is going tochange everything I've been
renting for all this time.
This new thing that I wantedfinally came in the mail.
I finally got it.
I finally built it.
But here you are right nowsitting in this house using that
thing and you're back to yourbaseline.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, the journey is more exciting, the chase is more
exciting, the process is moreexciting than actually achieving
, because of the expectation,because of the high, because
then, once you actually achieveit, you naturally settle back
down.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, and so if we talk about baselines, right.
So let's say, in your life youwant to be happier, right?
My advice to you is go outsideand touch some grass, right,
Just roll in it, be in the sun.
Why do I say that?
Because everything, theinternet, everything in the
world right now and probablyforever, right, there's nothing
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new under the sun.
The world has always told youyou need that next thing no
matter where you live, theoutside is free to everyone.
Walking around outside, beingin nature is free to everybody.
Nothing is outside.
Being in nature is free toeverybody.
Nothing is more baseline thanbeing involved in that and
taking advantage of the freethings in life.
You can be just as happy withno money and taking advantage of
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the free things in life as theperson who paid hundreds of
millions of dollars to stillhave a better view quote unquote
of the outside and exactly thesame place you're standing view
quote unquote of the outside andexactly the same place you're
standing.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, and I would add to that and say be outside and
be present.
Be mindful about being presentbecause no matter where you are
in, your happiness in thatmoment being peaceful and the
knowledge that you are going tolevel out.
So when you're in the pits,like be in the pits because
you're not always going to be inthe pits, it's going to be okay
.
And when you're in the pits,like be in the pits because
you're not always going to be inthe pits and it's going to be
okay.
And when you're in the highs,enjoy it like feast on it
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because it's going to go away.
And just try to be present inthe moment you're in, because
it's all going to level out atthe end.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Oh, I've always heard , be where your feet are, yeah,
right, just, it's okay to bewhere you're at, and so let's
take a, a, a micro, right?
So this whole season, thiswhole season two of of innovate
everything podcast is specificto zooming out, okay.
So, now that we've zoomed outof this concept, how can we
innovate our lives?
Now let's zoom in, let's talkabout the things that right now,
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if you probably go to your,your social media feed, a few
things that, if you're trying tofind a better, happier, more
peaceful life, whatever it isthat you'll probably be targeted
for.
Number one sleep and mindfulnessapps.
So an app that helps you getbetter sleep, an app that helps
you take a moment during the dayto be mindful and to clear your
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mind and whatnot, an app thathelps you take a moment in the
day to be mindful and to clearyour mind and whatnot.
Both of those things can beaddressed by with within.
Science is proven this time andtime again with a consistent
sleep schedule that that isaligned with daytime and
nighttime cycles, right, notstaying up too late.
Let the sun dictate your guiltyyeah, let the sun dictate your
up and down to some degree,taking breaks from work.
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So one of the things thatpeople who don't want your money
will tell you is get up fromyour desk every once in a while
and just go outside, walk arounda bit, be outside, clear your
mind, let it all go for a minute.
So we're going to look a bit atthe things that people are
saying that are going to makeyou happy and the apps and
monetary ways they're trying toapproach that, and then just the
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things that you can do in yourdaily life that are going to
help you, right?
So the whole goal of this isinnovate your life, right.
So nothing is more than yourhappiness.
Innovate your happiness, right.
Nothing is more innovative intime and space than the big
reset Right in time and space,than the big reset right.
Because when you think ofculture, when you think of
history, every great moment ofmankind, every great advancement
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that's ever happened, ismetaphorically happened by the
fire.
When you go camping or when youare outside.
And if you're not camping, youknow, 1,200 years ago it's not
called camping, it's juststaying warm at night, right?
All these minds, all the peoplein your village, are sitting
around a fire together, sharingstories and experiences.
So when Gerald invented thewheel, right, he came to the
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fireside, sat down and was likehey, you won't believe what I
did today.
Right, I made a rock in acircle where I used logs to move
this back and forth.
It made moving the heavyobjects so much easier.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I was today years old this second, 1140 AM, august
9th year of our Lord 2024.
When I learned that thefireside chat probably has to do
with what you're saying Incorporate America.
If anyone has heard the term,fireside chat has to do with
what you're saying in corporateamerica.
If anyone has heard the termfireside chat, it's usually with
executives or directors, ceos.
They talk about reallyimportant topics or ideas.
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I'm now putting that together.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I imagine in that fireside chat you have an
opportunity to voice youropinion as well it depends on
the company and structure.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
But wow, I just put that all together yeah, there
you go.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
So you have this moment where people are sharing
ideas and stories and passingdown their history or their
experiences.
And without that moment, right,and this in modern day, quote
unquote sure, it could happen onsocial media, could happen at a
bar, could happen on a fire,could happen anywhere.
But taking that moment to besocial and to get together with
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fellow man, regardless of rank,regardless of, there's a
leadership concept called I wantto say it's HIPPO highest paid
person's opinion, and a lot ofthese coaches that want to help
you with your culture will tellyou that's the opinion that
should be heard last.
So those, the highest people inthe room, should be quiet and
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listen to everyone else firstbefore they voice their opinion,
which will help them hear allthe feedback.
Right, that's fireside, right?
So all these innovative thingswhere these gurus are running
around telling you all thesebest ways to live your life are
just bringing you back to base.
We're just being more humanbecause, at the end of the day,
we are human and regardless ofpower, regardless of status,
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regardless of what your job is,at the end of the day, you get
people in the room together andyou let them talk and we will
learn something.
And so, step one innovate yourhappiness slash, innovate your
life, be human, get outside,touch some grass, leave the
house, get with people,regardless of their station or
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status, and share experiences.
So that's step one.
Let's look at the next one Bluelight glasses.
We've got these glasses andscreen protectors and all kinds
of things to block blue light,because we are so digital that a
wavelength of light we don'tnormally see a ton of is
bombarding our eyes at all timesthat we are currently combating
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.
Taking breaks, leaving yourdesk, not just sitting there for
six or seven hours at a time,can solve it as well.
Then we're going to go intolike acupressure socks and shoes
, all these different shoes withraised heels and lowered heels
and wide foot spacing, and allthese things are designed
effectively to simulate walkingaround barefoot to some degree
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and they're like oh well,there's the therapeutic if your
feet are being massaged, you getthe same thing walking over
gravel right.
So on the other side of that,there's a huge push right now
for grounding.
Are you familiar with grounding?
Okay?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I mean, I will admit I don't know much about it all.
I know it's like you and yourfeet touch physical earth
touches I don't know the sciencebehind it or the pseudoscience
behind it the the idea.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It's the same kind of general idea as acupuncture.
Your body's an electricalsystem.
If you're not properlygrounding it, you're not letting
the electricity flow correctly,whatever.
So on TikTok, they're cuttingthe bottoms off their shoes and
walking around barefoot.
On the capitalism side of it,they're putting copper in your
sheets and giving you a plug toplug your sheet into the
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grounding outlet in your houseto ground your body to the earth
.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
That sounds really terrifying.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, it's the ground .
It's not going to hurt you atall.
But yeah, I can see whyplugging your sheets in might
startle you a bit, but the wholegeneral idea is grounding you.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Does it have to be like earth ground or like
walking there from my house?
Does that count?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, that's where the science comes into play.
They say, well, it might be,but you have to test it to make
sure.
Whatever and there's no denyingthat grounding is definitely
probably beneficial from you butyou can accomplish that by just
getting outside in your barefeet for a few minutes a day.
Right Now you're grounded right.
I'm sure there's benefits tolonger term usage of it.
If you really want to get intoit, go sleep outside Right.
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And honestly, I bet you comingsoon to a theater near you will
be some push.
That's going to be anti-airconditioning.
It's going to be.
You want to have your bodyacclimate to your environment
and ebb and flow like theenvironment.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That makes sense.
We live in South Floridaida andyou know we go to these, these
museums.
Um, great example.
I was just at the ponce inletlighthouse and it's fascinating
to me to learn that people livedin these inlets, in these, in
these muggy, mosquito infestedareas of florida in the 17th and
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18th centuries and they wore alot of clothing because that was
the style wool.
They're from new york.
They didn't have anything elselike they're, you know, they're,
they're.
They come, they came down fromnew england and they existed in
these areas and like they didn'tleave and they worked outside
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and they worked outside andpeople came down and people
stayed and it's like, yeah,there must be something there,
because I can't imagine livinghere with the clothes I'm
allowed to wear, you know, perour culture, which is, you know,
bare minimum.
I wear more than bare minimum.
I'm just saying, like I couldwalk around in a sports bra and
a pair of shorts.
Right, that's nothing comparedto what they wore back then, and
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I couldn't survive in SouthFlorida without AC.
It blows my mind.
It blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well, you think you couldn't but right.
So most of my college.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I'd adapt yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, Most of my college I had.
I just left the windows open, Ididn't turn the AC on, but I
was born here.
I did a John's pick of the weekthis week.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Season two is roasting.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Season two, I think, is going to be roasting.
I'm still going to do anoccasional pick of the week if I
see something I really like,but this particular timeframe
I'm going to focus on absolutelyroasting.
Some of these newer innovativeideas that I absolutely think
are massive misses, aredetaching us more from what will
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be future, things that I thinkare going to block future
innovation, if that makes sense.
Things that I think areconsidered innovative now.
Are these ideas that peoplelike?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
but they're going to be fact versus phony or
something like yeah, we gottathink of a title for it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
We'll.
We'll dive into that later, butum, but, speaking of adaptation
, do you, are you familiar withwally the walrus?
no he's a european phenomenon.
Um, so wally the war walrus?
Um apparently got lost andended up in like southern europe
, um, where there's not walruspopulations because it's not as
cold as they normally like.
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Um, I want to say it was inireland that he found himself,
um, and he was kind of just tookup residence in a bay and was
just doing what walruses do andclimb it up on little boats to
to sun, and he was just sinkingboat after boat.
He's climbing up on dinghiesand sinking boats, sinking boats
.
And then he went a littlefurther south, somewhere in
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Southern Europe I don't remembera hundred percent where it was
and he started sinking boatsthere too.
And instead of we're talkingabout adaptation to your
environment, instead of chasinghim off or, you know, capturing
him and releasing him somewhereelse, they built an air mattress
effectively, for Wally.
They built him a.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
A habitat.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Like a floating dock, effectively, for him to float
on, so he would leave the poorboats alone.
And it worked really reallywell, really really well, and I
believe last I checked, he'sstill there just hanging out by
himself, with no other walruses,just hanging out in his little
air mattress and makingresidence in in southern europe.
Um, but we talk aboutadaptation, right, and so again
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there's the approach of whatwill make you happy, right, and
and for wally the walrus, it wasjust a place to lay.
Right, and instead of kind ofharassing him and moving him on,
they just gave him some placeto lay.
He's been happy ever since he'sin Wales.
He's in Wales right now.
He's in Wales.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
The cartoon made after him.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yes, if you Google Wally walrus, you will get a
cartoon first.
I don't know which one camefirst, but there is a cartoon.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I imagine the actual walrus came first, unless
someone wrote a story and likeself-fulfilling prophecy style.
So john's roast of the week.
I want to get to that, speakingof people not being happy with
themselves.
So there is.
There are two things that I'mgoing to bring up.
The first one is a creatorcalled av schiffman is is
creating a pennant-sized devicepowered by AI.
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That's a wearable that wants tobe your friend.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I have opinions.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, so basically, what we've entered into and this
is why I'm absolutely roastingit is digital media.
Our digital world has separatedus from real human connection
for so long that science, the,the big air, quote science out
there is saying like, oh, we'relacking human connection.
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So we have these mental healthissues, we have all these things
that we are that's true it's.
You know, it is true, it 100%true, but science is saying that
we need more connection.
And instead of saying, andbecause of e-commerce and all
these things, and because AI isa bit of a buzzword, instead of
saying, hey, everyone, put yourphone down for two hours a day
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and live in the real world withyour friends and go to the bar,
they're like, hey, I got an idea, let's make an ai best friend.
And what they're doing withthis ai is the goal is that you
are to go out, live your lifeand you push the button and
speak to your friend.
So the advertisement they haveis a girl on a run and she goes
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hold on.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Let's back up.
Push the button on what it's alittle wearable, it's.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
It's it's a necklace pendant that you wear that's
powered by ai and connected tothe internet, obviously, um and
so so the advertisement that hasis and this will be on innovate
, the ordinarycom slash podcast,so there'll be a post about
that, um, where I'll actuallylink the, the video.
It's a girl on a run and shegets the top of the this little
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hole.
She's running up and she goeswhoa, it's harder today than I
thought, or something like that.
And the AI goes hey, at leastyou're outside.
And then we segue to the nextone, where it's a guy playing a
video game and the AI is kind oftaunting him, telling him he's
bad at the video game, and thewhole idea is that this is your
friend, right, this is replacingthat buddy that's talking to
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you and to replacing that buddythat's talking to you and I to
me.
There's, there's a couplepieces to this One is.
All we need are kind of genericresponses, right, it, it, it.
It gives you back like a.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Google search version of.
Well, I think we have all thesethese tools.
Social media in general is atool that was that promised to
connect us with people right,facebook, even instagram.
You've got like the beep beepfunction on your apple watch
where you can like walkie talkiepeople like all these.
All this tech not everything,but a lot of this tech was
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designed to connect us withpeople and what we found is that
over time, it's disconnected us.
So you you know, the companiesthat are pushing this technology
have a choice to make Eitherthey don't push it and they lose
out on a lot of money, or theyfind a solution.
So this is a bandaid over theissue that was created by
technology that promised tobring us together.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, and you've got Gen Z, and Gen Z is generally
I'm not saying everybody they'reafraid to have a phone call,
right, like one of the jokingly.
The best way to scare a Gen Zeris to call them or hand them a
phone and ask them to call thepizza place and order, cause
they don't do online ordering,right, like it gives them some
kind of anxiety because there'sthe idea of human connection.
They've been stepped back fromit.
(25:21):
But I think what's reallyinteresting is, by gamifying
social media, you've createdthis impact of instead of
looking for human connection,I'm looking for human acceptance
.
I'm looking for humans togenerally like me, right, I want
them to hit the like button,hit the follow button.
I want them to celebrate me, andso what we've done and this is
(25:42):
why I hate this idea so much,like viscerally.
I despise this idea is becausewhat you've done is created an
AI that's going to celebrate you.
It's going to be in the name ofmental health, right, and I
think that one.
In my personal opinion, one ofthe biggest threats to mental
health is having friends whodon't give you tough love.
Right Is not having somebody toprovide you with the also the
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the hard to hear feedback andthere's no way that they're
going to build that into this ai.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It's going to be well , you did say that in the
commercial the ai was tauntinghim because he was doing poorly.
So there might be some likejust built-in yeah, but it's
kind of playful teasing playful.
Yes, man but nothing that'slike going to promote growth or
yeah, I very much doubt this.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Quote-unquote friend of your ai is going to be like
hey, I've noticed you've been onthe couch for seven straight
days.
You should go outside and touchsome grass.
I mean it might it might, butit's, but it's.
It's not going to give you theyou know.
It's going to give you internetfriendship.
Right, it's AI.
It's going to scrub theinternet.
Look through Reddit andwherever else and take the
advice somebody else gavesomebody else, but that advice
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AI is processing the data thatit sees and there's no denying
whatsoever.
No one will argue that theinternet is real life.
It's keyboard warriors, it'speople giving fake advice, it's
you know, it's all those things,and AI is not going to be able
to process that.
So now you're giving me afriend who's only going to give
me Google advice.
Right, it is what I'll find onGoogle or a chat room or
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something, which is whateveryone historically has said.
They call them keyboardwarriors.
You wouldn't say that to myface.
You're not.
That's not real, right?
So I'm giving you a friend.
I'm now calling it your friend.
It's called, I believe the aiis called friend.
I'm giving you a friend.
Whose job is it?
Um, it's, it's being.
It's being made by an engineercalled av schumann or something
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like that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It's an independent person, yeah uh, who's
developing?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
trying to sell sorry, I hate your idea.
Not that I don't think you'retrying right.
You may truly believe that'shelpful, but for me personally I
think it's absolutelyridiculous.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Well, it's enabling people to no longer try right.
So if you are in a situationwhere you're in a new city or
you're in between friendships orrelationships and you, what
would be best for you is to meetnew people, it enables you to
not do that and that's going tobe worse for your mental health.
Yeah, it's already hard to dothat when everyone's online well
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, think of dating.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Right right, dating went from um, go go somewhere
you enjoy and meet people thatare in that space and engage
with them, and at that time theidea of internet dating was like
, well, you don't know who thatperson is, it's a stranger.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Right, you don't know any of your friends.
It could be a catfish.
It could be a serial killer.
Everyone's seen that show.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Right.
So we've gone from that to.
We've almost flopped Datingtoday, seemingly.
Now I haven't dated in a verylong time so I can't speak to
dating today with any kind ofconfidence, but it seems to me
like dating today is exactly theopposite.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
If I don't have a profile to be, if I don't have,
yes.
If you cannot find the persononline, it's a red flag.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
No, but even the dating profile.
If I don't see their datingprofile first, I don't know if I
like them, I don't know if Itrust them right, like like
meeting somebody who you don'thave data about beforehand is
terrifying.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Well, meghan Markle said that, you know, when she
was blown up about, you know,not realizing the controversies
surrounding Harry and everythingthat the media said about Harry
, and you know all his socialhis, his social universe.
She famously said I didn't, Ididn't Google my boyfriend.
I didn't Google, I didn't, Ididn't look him up.
(29:29):
And everyone's like, yeah,right, because who doesn't do
that, who doesn't GoogleFacebook stock?
You know, find new, their,their dating profile, like
everyone does that becauseyou're expected to have an
online presence and if you don't, it's weird.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
And most of the best people I know, that once they
got married and started theirfamily, got rid of social media.
They don't even, like some ofthe best men that I know, don't
use social media at all.
They find it distracting.
They find it irritating.
They don't want to be part ofit.
It's too polarizing.
It distracts me from mybusiness.
I don't want to do it.
And so there's this era thatwe're entering where the thing
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that scares me the most is thatpeople may will look at this and
go what a great idea.
I could use a friend Right, andnow I've got a friend who truly
does not care about me.
He's legitimately justprocessing data that I give them
and spitting out a genericresponse and learning the
response that I like to hear.
And now no one compares to thefriend that kisses your can we
(30:29):
swear on this, you're creating afriend who's quote unquote
perfect.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
And that's the hardest part about it, right?
Because let's be real, ifyou're creating a product for
people to buy, you're not gonnawant them to have a friend that
occasionally irritates them,because they're gonna turn it
off.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
There's a movie, it's called Susie, where it's a.
It's a sci-fi thriller.
And it's this same conceptwhere, like they develop this,
this human size doll who'spacked full of AI and she's her,
her, her purpose is to be yourchild's best friend.
(31:06):
So you buy this doll and it'slike her best friend and it
walks and it talks and itresponds and it's like it's, you
know, ends up turning reallyevil and yeah, because the kid
grows up no, it just, it justlike ends up being like really
evil and does terrible thingsand kill people and it's like a
chucky situation.
But it's terrifying to mebecause I feel like this is a
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step towards that type ofproduct where it's like you can
buy a humanoid that looks,sounds and like now it's not
just a pendant around your neck,talks to you.
Now it like looks like a person, moves, like a person, like now
you can, you can build youryour own friendship group or or
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village with technology.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I mean tesla's currently making a helper robot
to live in your house now, right, and it's so that that's the
other piece of it.
Right is?
I've always been pro secondamendment, sure, um, but the
bigger and more influential aiand robots get, yeah, probably,
uh, go, go, uh, go into.
Uh, what's that movie with willsmith?
Um, I, robot iRobot.
(32:11):
Yeah, I'm going to go fulliRobot and just don't trust
anything.
But speaking of so, this is noton John's roast of the week per
se, but it's going to kind ofillustrate again my point about
we're trying to create digitallyreal experiences and why I
think you should just go outsideand touch some grass and I Call
(32:33):
your mom or call your mom orlike or your friend, that friend
that one time upset you becauseyou didn't like how she
responded to your boyfriend, orwhatever.
Maybe touch base with them.
Maybe they were just trying togive you some tough love,
especially if you're not datingthat guy anymore.
Maybe they were right, let's behonest.
That guy anymore.
(32:55):
Maybe they were right, let's behonest.
So a company called emerge homeis making an ultrasonic wave
machine that's designed tocreate tangible pressure points
in the air, to to bring sensoryfeedback to virtual reality.
So so what this thing does isit creates like pressure in the
in the air, so when you reachyour hand out, it feels like
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you're touching something so itworks with vr.
Yes, experiences okay, so itpairs with the vr.
So like, if you reach your handout to touch a bush, it hits
you it hits you with thispressure on your hands, like
seismic wave pressure in yourhands, to create a sensory
feeling.
Now, now that's cool.
It is cool.
So this is where we go theother direction.
(33:36):
Okay, so I'm all for VR,because I do believe that VR can
.
There are benefits to virtualreality.
Right, Virtual reality can giveyou training opportunities.
It can give you experiencesthat you couldn't otherwise have
.
Right, it makes the world trulyflat, experiences that you
couldn't otherwise have.
Right, it makes the world trulyflat.
So I love the idea of virtualreality becoming being able to
(33:59):
simulate more real experiencesBecause, again, if I want to
fight a dinosaur right orsomething, or I want to go walk
through the ancient gardens ofBabylon or something, it can
give me these really coolexperiences.
I think virtual reality does.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Great educational application.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Great educational.
It can really turn movies intoa much more in-depth experience.
But to me that's where it ends.
Education, movies, video gamesRight.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Education, entertainment.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I do not support the world where it's like WALL-E
we're all plugged in and ridingaround in other fat people
floating chairs and the wholeworld is around this other one
where he goes back in time andhe's truly exceptional idiocracy
yeah where they're all justsitting around on their little
yeah.
So like I do not support vrgoing that direction, I think it
to me it's a pure entertainment.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I find this really interesting because now it would
need to be sorry, I didn't cutyou off.
It would need to be sorry, Ididn't tell you off.
It would need to beunobtainable at the consumer
level.
Right, it would have to be likea technology you see in really
good school systems that canafford to deploy this technology
within the classroom, withinthe entertainment world.
You'd go to the movie theaterto get this experience kind of
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like 3D.
3d was never really broughtinto the home, and not well, so
it would have to stay veryunobtainable from a cost
perspective in order to nottrickle down and become this
highly distracting technologythat takes over.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
This is on the other side of that.
It's to the point, right.
So when we say, innovate yourhappiness, innovate your life,
we're not just saying like, getrid of your social media, throw
your phone out the window and gotouch some grass Do?
I think that would be veryhelpful for you, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
It's a season for everything.
It's a season to doom scroll.
Yeah, exactly it's a season tonot.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
But yeah, so I'm not saying that that's the answer to
all the things in life.
Digital, the digital world, isvery helpful in a lot of ways.
I'm not saying that everythingthat simulates real life is bad.
Right, this Emerge HomeSoundwave Projector.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I guess it's called.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
What's it called Ultrasound Projector?
It's called the Emerge Wave 1.
Wave.
I think this is a really reallyneat application.
It's something that you cantake and you can do some really
special things with.
So do I think it shouldsimulate real life to the point
where that's all you're doing,no, do?
I think it's a really great wayto bring a physical, tactile
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response to VR, absolutely.
So I'm not saying delete alldigital, right, digital has a
and I delete all robotics.
There's a company calledConstruction Robotics that makes
a portable robot called themule whose entire job is to take
100 to 175 pound items in mosttheir most use cases is like
(36:41):
construction block and to putthem to virtually make them
weightless so that the personoperating the machine doesn't
have to strain their body tojust move a bunch of block right
.
And moving blocks is a veryrepetitive task, and we live in
South Florida where there's anever-ending supply of
relatively inexpensive labor.
Who can schlep blocks reallyfast and really hard, but we're
(37:02):
damaging those humans, right?
So that's an use of robotics Ithink is incredibly valuable.
It makes that job lessdetrimental to your physical
well-being, which gives you moretime with the family.
I support that one.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, it's not about tech aversion, right or
innovative aversion or fear,even.
It's about it's a tool.
We have to remember these aretools.
They have great, powerfulapplications.
They also have the power toreally impact our lives in
pretty astounding terrible waysif we let them get out of hand.
(37:39):
Um, and, and you know, goingback to that, on a baseline and
treadmill like these are tools.
They can, they can bring you up, they can bring you down.
They're not going to make youhappy.
They're, you know, likesfollows a friend around your
neck.
It's not going to make youhappy, um it's all vapor in the
wind.
It's all vapor in the wind.
I love that, and so, justremembering that these are tools
(38:02):
or powerful tools, they canhelp us accomplish great things,
they can make us moreproductive, safer, give us great
experiences, but there's moreto life and to what you said.
You know, get out there, be inthe moment, be present.
You know, go roll in the, wouldyou say roll in grass?
I'm not sure we don't have realgrass on our property, so I'm
not sure we're going to be doingthat anytime soon.
(38:23):
But yeah, and I think that'sthe biggest takeaway, is that
these are tools that, when usedappropriately, can be really
powerful Powers for good.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, and there was a video I saw the other day
online.
It was a cartoon and it was abunch of people sitting down to
an office table and the guy says, hey, before we begin, let's
just all remember in not thatlong of time we're all going to
be dead and none of this isgoing to matter.
So let's all keep that in mindbefore we take anything too
seriously.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Now let's begin the meeting.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
And on that bombshell , I think we should all take out
the military-grade propagandamachines in our pockets and
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Follow us on social media.
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Speaker 2 (39:03):
Give us a follow and then turn it off.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
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much for joining us and once aweek for season two, but thank
you so much for joining us and,as always, we really appreciate
your listening, your time, yourinvestment in us.
It honors and humbles us thatyou choose to be part of this.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
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Speaker 1 (39:22):
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So thank you so much forfollowing us and have a
wonderful week.
Some grass.
Welcome back to the Innovate Everything podcast.
I'm your host, john Mode, andI'm joined, as always, by my
co-host, katie Mode, and I wantto formally welcome you to
season two of the InnovateEverything podcast.
I don't know if you've noticed,but the world we live in is
very, very digital.
There are constant barrages ofdata all the time, and one of
(00:26):
those barrages of data recentlyhas been this keyword innovation
.
Every business you see has aninnovative process innovative
product, innovate, innovate,innovate, innovate.
So in season two we're going totake a step back.
We're going to 30,000 foot view, zoom out and look down at the
industry and say you know what,this season, instead of
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innovating businesses orproducts or talking about very
specific things, we're going toinnovate the macro.
We're going to innovateconcepts.
So this season we're going totackle innovating defiance,
finance, education, art,healthcare, politics, religion,
the way you interact socially,parenting.
(01:10):
We're going to dive into somethings that historically, people
try to avoid.
We're probably going to upsetyou a little bit because we're
going to be or at least I amgoing to be very opinionated, or
at least I am going to be veryopinionated.
We're going to talk about theactual movers and shakers that
are shifting the industry andchanging how things are
(01:31):
addressed in day-to-day life.
Again, kind of the concept ofthe hidden innovator.
There are people out there inevery industry that are trying
very hard to shift the industryfor the better and in some cases
for the worse.
And we're going to tackle thosehead on in season two.
So it's been said, a heart atpeace gives life to the body,
(01:54):
but envy rots the bones.
We're going to dive into what'sthe best way to innovate your
life.
It's so easy to look at yourphone and social media and those
things and just see happyvacations, see all these things.
That's very easy to be enviousof and think to ourselves I want
(02:18):
that, how do I get that?
And then, naturally the second,you ask how do I get that,
especially out loud and weekweek your phone is listening to
you.
We've played that game.
I'm sure everyone's played thatgame where we say like new car,
new car, new car into yourphone and then all of a sudden
you start getting car ads.
So your phone goes oh, you wantto be happy.
(02:38):
Here's all the things thatpeople have paid for to make you
happy.
So I think it's important tostart with a baseline.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, it's you know, innovating self, innovating
happiness.
I think that there is a lot ofcontent out there about how to
be happier, but there's thisreally interesting phenomenon,
that's you know.
I'm obsessed with thisphenomenon, John.
I think it's just sofascinating, but it's called the
hedonic treadmill or thehedonic baseline.
Those are synonymous, treadmilland baseline.
(03:10):
Have you heard of it?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Vaguely, but not enough to speak to it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Okay.
Well, this is reallyinteresting because the theory
is that the hedonic baseline isyour individual tendency to
return to a consistent level ofhappiness.
Right, so you have this levelof happiness that is innate to
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you and no matter what happens,good or bad, you will ultimately
, with time, return to thisbaseline, which is really
interesting because we're soldthis idea that we can achieve
happiness.
I mean, the American dream hasto do with the pursuit of
happiness.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Wait.
So you mean, no matter how muchmoney I get, no matter how much
I read, how much wisdom Iacquire, no matter how many
pledges of life I indulge in,I'll always somehow manage to be
at my baseline.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Right.
So essentially the idea is thatthe excitement of achieving
those things, or whatever it isthat you're trying that you
think will give you happiness,whatever it is you achieve,
eventually it wears off and thenyou sink kind of back down to
that stable level of yourhappiness, and it's different
for everyone.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So what if I watch a lot of motivational videos where
the guy's like you can beanything you want to be.
All you've got to do is grind,yeah, yeah, if I listen to a lot
of those.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
So you're jumping ahead.
So I'll address that, but we'llcome back.
But essentially, you know yourbaseline is determined by a
couple of different things.
A lot of it is nature, so yourgenetics, but also nurture and
also, just, um, you know,experiences.
So those those three thingsmake up your baseline and there
is some wiggle room.
Like you can raise yourbaseline a little bit by being
(05:00):
mindful.
Um, great, you know gratitude,prayer, purpose, like all those
like higher level type.
You know activities that we allhave heard about life coaches,
kind of preach them.
They will help raise that thatbar with work.
But that's only like 10% ofwhat makes up your your baseline
(05:22):
.
50, according to studies, isgenetics.
So I'm sorry to say you areborn with a set baseline of
happiness and no matter whathappens to you, you could go
through the worst tragedy.
Um, you know and I'll let yourminds fill in the blank of what
that is to you you willeventually come back up.
(05:45):
There's a lot of hope there.
I think it's depressing tothink about it from the coming
back down side, like no matterhow many promotions I get, or
how much wealth I accrue, or howmany kids I have, or how
successful my marriage is you'realways going to kind of float
back down, but also you're goingto come back up, even if you're
going through or going throughthe pits.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So it's true, time does heal all wounds.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Time does heal all wounds.
And also I think this givescredence to some other Proverbs,
like this too shall pass, orthere's a season for everything,
there's a time for celebration,there's a time for mourning
because there is, and thateventually you're going to,
you're going to come back tothat baseline.
Um, you know, and 50% of it isyour genetics, and then 40% of
it is also impacted by your lifeexperiences.
(06:32):
So your upbringing and justlike things you've been through,
and then again, 10% is, youknow, mindfulness and prayer and
, um, feeling of gratitude, andthat just that like, okay, I
want to feel happier in the longterm.
How do I do that?
You can shift that baseline, butwe're all built with this
innate level and I think that'sso fascinating because you know
(06:53):
you meet people who just areintrinsically happy or joyful
and you know they might justhave a higher baseline than you,
and that's that's like.
I think that's a good thing tokeep in mind as we're all on
this journey.
To feel happier, to be happier,is like.
What does that mean to me?
Where is my baseline?
And don't beat yourself up Ifyour baseline sits a little
(07:15):
lower than someone else.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
It doesn't mean you're not happy, it just means
that your your baseline don'tcompare.
Yeah, yeah, don't be envious.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Don't be envious.
It rots the bones.
It rots the bones.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I love that.
So we talk about life and thedigital world that we live in
and we talk about this baselineright In this military grade
propaganda machine that we carryaround in our pocket, that
we're constantly looking atbecause it's I mean, it is
designed to grab our attention.
This thing tells us what makesus happy.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
it's constantly trying to give us dopamine hits
to to pursue that, thatnever-ending happiness that we
never achieve which makes senseif you look back at your
baseline right, because thesedopamine hits are spiking you up
and you're constantly lookingfor more because you're always
going to settle back down.
(08:08):
So it's like a that's wherethat that drug type response
comes in with the, with thedopamine, because you just
constantly have to hit it tokeep to, to stay up that level
where you're not naturallysupposed to exist.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, and I don't think on that side of it, on
that baseline level, we neverleave the child at Christmas,
right when we're waiting forsomething exciting our new
computer, our new phone, ourbuying a new house, whatever it
is Our new baby, our new babyOur excitement level for that,
before it comes, is incrediblyhigh.
(08:42):
Man, this house is going tochange everything I've been
renting for all this time.
This new thing that I wantedfinally came in the mail.
I finally got it.
I finally built it.
But here you are right nowsitting in this house using that
thing and you're back to yourbaseline.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, the journey is more exciting, the chase is more
exciting, the process is moreexciting than actually achieving
, because of the expectation,because of the high, because
then, once you actually achieveit, you naturally settle back
down.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, and so if we talk about baselines, right.
So let's say, in your life youwant to be happier, right?
My advice to you is go outsideand touch some grass, right,
Just roll in it, be in the sun.
Why do I say that?
Because everything, theinternet, everything in the
world right now and probablyforever, right, there's nothing
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new under the sun.
The world has always told youyou need that next thing no
matter where you live, theoutside is free to everyone.
Walking around outside, beingin nature is free to everybody.
Nothing is outside.
Being in nature is free toeverybody.
Nothing is more baseline thanbeing involved in that and
taking advantage of the freethings in life.
You can be just as happy withno money and taking advantage of
(09:54):
the free things in life as theperson who paid hundreds of
millions of dollars to stillhave a better view quote unquote
of the outside and exactly thesame place you're standing view
quote unquote of the outside andexactly the same place you're
standing.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, and I would add to that and say be outside and
be present.
Be mindful about being presentbecause no matter where you are
in, your happiness in thatmoment being peaceful and the
knowledge that you are going tolevel out.
So when you're in the pits,like be in the pits because
you're not always going to be inthe pits, it's going to be okay
.
And when you're in the pits,like be in the pits because
you're not always going to be inthe pits and it's going to be
okay.
And when you're in the highs,enjoy it like feast on it
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because it's going to go away.
And just try to be present inthe moment you're in, because
it's all going to level out atthe end.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Oh, I've always heard , be where your feet are, yeah,
right, just, it's okay to bewhere you're at, and so let's
take a, a, a micro, right?
So this whole season, thiswhole season two of of innovate
everything podcast is specificto zooming out, okay.
So, now that we've zoomed outof this concept, how can we
innovate our lives?
Now let's zoom in, let's talkabout the things that right now,
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if you probably go to your,your social media feed, a few
things that, if you're trying tofind a better, happier, more
peaceful life, whatever it isthat you'll probably be targeted
for.
Number one sleep and mindfulnessapps.
So an app that helps you getbetter sleep, an app that helps
you take a moment during the dayto be mindful and to clear your
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mind and whatnot, an app thathelps you take a moment in the
day to be mindful and to clearyour mind and whatnot.
Both of those things can beaddressed by with within.
Science is proven this time andtime again with a consistent
sleep schedule that that isaligned with daytime and
nighttime cycles, right, notstaying up too late.
Let the sun dictate your guiltyyeah, let the sun dictate your
up and down to some degree,taking breaks from work.
(11:47):
So one of the things thatpeople who don't want your money
will tell you is get up fromyour desk every once in a while
and just go outside, walk arounda bit, be outside, clear your
mind, let it all go for a minute.
So we're going to look a bit atthe things that people are
saying that are going to makeyou happy and the apps and
monetary ways they're trying toapproach that, and then just the
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things that you can do in yourdaily life that are going to
help you, right?
So the whole goal of this isinnovate your life, right.
So nothing is more than yourhappiness.
Innovate your happiness, right.
Nothing is more innovative intime and space than the big
reset Right in time and space,than the big reset right.
Because when you think ofculture, when you think of
history, every great moment ofmankind, every great advancement
(12:35):
that's ever happened, ismetaphorically happened by the
fire.
When you go camping or when youare outside.
And if you're not camping, youknow, 1,200 years ago it's not
called camping, it's juststaying warm at night, right?
All these minds, all the peoplein your village, are sitting
around a fire together, sharingstories and experiences.
So when Gerald invented thewheel, right, he came to the
(12:59):
fireside, sat down and was likehey, you won't believe what I
did today.
Right, I made a rock in acircle where I used logs to move
this back and forth.
It made moving the heavyobjects so much easier.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I was today years old this second, 1140 AM, august
9th year of our Lord 2024.
When I learned that thefireside chat probably has to do
with what you're saying Incorporate America.
If anyone has heard the term,fireside chat has to do with
what you're saying in corporateamerica.
If anyone has heard the termfireside chat, it's usually with
executives or directors, ceos.
They talk about reallyimportant topics or ideas.
(13:32):
I'm now putting that together.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I imagine in that fireside chat you have an
opportunity to voice youropinion as well it depends on
the company and structure.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
But wow, I just put that all together yeah, there
you go.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
So you have this moment where people are sharing
ideas and stories and passingdown their history or their
experiences.
And without that moment, right,and this in modern day, quote
unquote sure, it could happen onsocial media, could happen at a
bar, could happen on a fire,could happen anywhere.
But taking that moment to besocial and to get together with
(14:03):
fellow man, regardless of rank,regardless of, there's a
leadership concept called I wantto say it's HIPPO highest paid
person's opinion, and a lot ofthese coaches that want to help
you with your culture will tellyou that's the opinion that
should be heard last.
So those, the highest people inthe room, should be quiet and
(14:27):
listen to everyone else firstbefore they voice their opinion,
which will help them hear allthe feedback.
Right, that's fireside, right?
So all these innovative thingswhere these gurus are running
around telling you all thesebest ways to live your life are
just bringing you back to base.
We're just being more humanbecause, at the end of the day,
we are human and regardless ofpower, regardless of status,
(14:50):
regardless of what your job is,at the end of the day, you get
people in the room together andyou let them talk and we will
learn something.
And so, step one innovate yourhappiness slash, innovate your
life, be human, get outside,touch some grass, leave the
house, get with people,regardless of their station or
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status, and share experiences.
So that's step one.
Let's look at the next one Bluelight glasses.
We've got these glasses andscreen protectors and all kinds
of things to block blue light,because we are so digital that a
wavelength of light we don'tnormally see a ton of is
bombarding our eyes at all timesthat we are currently combating
(15:33):
.
Taking breaks, leaving yourdesk, not just sitting there for
six or seven hours at a time,can solve it as well.
Then we're going to go intolike acupressure socks and shoes
, all these different shoes withraised heels and lowered heels
and wide foot spacing, and allthese things are designed
effectively to simulate walkingaround barefoot to some degree
(15:53):
and they're like oh well,there's the therapeutic if your
feet are being massaged, you getthe same thing walking over
gravel right.
So on the other side of that,there's a huge push right now
for grounding.
Are you familiar with grounding?
Okay?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I mean, I will admit I don't know much about it all.
I know it's like you and yourfeet touch physical earth
touches I don't know the sciencebehind it or the pseudoscience
behind it the the idea.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It's the same kind of general idea as acupuncture.
Your body's an electricalsystem.
If you're not properlygrounding it, you're not letting
the electricity flow correctly,whatever.
So on TikTok, they're cuttingthe bottoms off their shoes and
walking around barefoot.
On the capitalism side of it,they're putting copper in your
sheets and giving you a plug toplug your sheet into the
(16:42):
grounding outlet in your houseto ground your body to the earth
.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
That sounds really terrifying.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, it's the ground .
It's not going to hurt you atall.
But yeah, I can see whyplugging your sheets in might
startle you a bit, but the wholegeneral idea is grounding you.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Does it have to be like earth ground or like
walking there from my house?
Does that count?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, that's where the science comes into play.
They say, well, it might be,but you have to test it to make
sure.
Whatever and there's no denyingthat grounding is definitely
probably beneficial from you butyou can accomplish that by just
getting outside in your barefeet for a few minutes a day.
Right Now you're grounded right.
I'm sure there's benefits tolonger term usage of it.
If you really want to get intoit, go sleep outside Right.
(17:25):
And honestly, I bet you comingsoon to a theater near you will
be some push.
That's going to be anti-airconditioning.
It's going to be.
You want to have your bodyacclimate to your environment
and ebb and flow like theenvironment.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That makes sense.
We live in South Floridaida andyou know we go to these, these
museums.
Um, great example.
I was just at the ponce inletlighthouse and it's fascinating
to me to learn that people livedin these inlets, in these, in
these muggy, mosquito infestedareas of florida in the 17th and
(18:01):
18th centuries and they wore alot of clothing because that was
the style wool.
They're from new york.
They didn't have anything elselike they're, you know, they're,
they're.
They come, they came down fromnew england and they existed in
these areas and like they didn'tleave and they worked outside
(18:22):
and they worked outside andpeople came down and people
stayed and it's like, yeah,there must be something there,
because I can't imagine livinghere with the clothes I'm
allowed to wear, you know, perour culture, which is, you know,
bare minimum.
I wear more than bare minimum.
I'm just saying, like I couldwalk around in a sports bra and
a pair of shorts.
Right, that's nothing comparedto what they wore back then, and
(18:44):
I couldn't survive in SouthFlorida without AC.
It blows my mind.
It blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well, you think you couldn't but right.
So most of my college.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I'd adapt yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, Most of my college I had.
I just left the windows open, Ididn't turn the AC on, but I
was born here.
I did a John's pick of the weekthis week.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Season two is roasting.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Season two, I think, is going to be roasting.
I'm still going to do anoccasional pick of the week if I
see something I really like,but this particular timeframe
I'm going to focus on absolutelyroasting.
Some of these newer innovativeideas that I absolutely think
are massive misses, aredetaching us more from what will
(19:34):
be future, things that I thinkare going to block future
innovation, if that makes sense.
Things that I think areconsidered innovative now.
Are these ideas that peoplelike?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
but they're going to be fact versus phony or
something like yeah, we gottathink of a title for it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
We'll.
We'll dive into that later, butum, but, speaking of adaptation
, do you, are you familiar withwally the walrus?
no he's a european phenomenon.
Um, so wally the war walrus?
Um apparently got lost andended up in like southern europe
, um, where there's not walruspopulations because it's not as
cold as they normally like.
(20:09):
Um, I want to say it was inireland that he found himself,
um, and he was kind of just tookup residence in a bay and was
just doing what walruses do andclimb it up on little boats to
to sun, and he was just sinkingboat after boat.
He's climbing up on dinghiesand sinking boats, sinking boats
.
And then he went a littlefurther south, somewhere in
(20:31):
Southern Europe I don't remembera hundred percent where it was
and he started sinking boatsthere too.
And instead of we're talkingabout adaptation to your
environment, instead of chasinghim off or, you know, capturing
him and releasing him somewhereelse, they built an air mattress
effectively, for Wally.
They built him a.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
A habitat.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Like a floating dock, effectively, for him to float
on, so he would leave the poorboats alone.
And it worked really reallywell, really really well, and I
believe last I checked, he'sstill there just hanging out by
himself, with no other walruses,just hanging out in his little
air mattress and makingresidence in in southern europe.
Um, but we talk aboutadaptation, right, and so again
(21:16):
there's the approach of whatwill make you happy, right, and
and for wally the walrus, it wasjust a place to lay.
Right, and instead of kind ofharassing him and moving him on,
they just gave him some placeto lay.
He's been happy ever since he'sin Wales.
He's in Wales right now.
He's in Wales.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
The cartoon made after him.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yes, if you Google Wally walrus, you will get a
cartoon first.
I don't know which one camefirst, but there is a cartoon.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I imagine the actual walrus came first, unless
someone wrote a story and likeself-fulfilling prophecy style.
So john's roast of the week.
I want to get to that, speakingof people not being happy with
themselves.
So there is.
There are two things that I'mgoing to bring up.
The first one is a creatorcalled av schiffman is is
creating a pennant-sized devicepowered by AI.
(22:06):
That's a wearable that wants tobe your friend.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I have opinions.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, so basically, what we've entered into and this
is why I'm absolutely roastingit is digital media.
Our digital world has separatedus from real human connection
for so long that science, the,the big air, quote science out
there is saying like, oh, we'relacking human connection.
(22:35):
So we have these mental healthissues, we have all these things
that we are that's true it's.
You know, it is true, it 100%true, but science is saying that
we need more connection.
And instead of saying, andbecause of e-commerce and all
these things, and because AI isa bit of a buzzword, instead of
saying, hey, everyone, put yourphone down for two hours a day
(22:57):
and live in the real world withyour friends and go to the bar,
they're like, hey, I got an idea, let's make an ai best friend.
And what they're doing withthis ai is the goal is that you
are to go out, live your lifeand you push the button and
speak to your friend.
So the advertisement they haveis a girl on a run and she goes
(23:17):
hold on.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Let's back up.
Push the button on what it's alittle wearable, it's.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
It's it's a necklace pendant that you wear that's
powered by ai and connected tothe internet, obviously, um and
so so the advertisement that hasis and this will be on innovate
, the ordinarycom slash podcast,so there'll be a post about
that, um, where I'll actuallylink the, the video.
It's a girl on a run and shegets the top of the this little
(23:41):
hole.
She's running up and she goeswhoa, it's harder today than I
thought, or something like that.
And the AI goes hey, at leastyou're outside.
And then we segue to the nextone, where it's a guy playing a
video game and the AI is kind oftaunting him, telling him he's
bad at the video game, and thewhole idea is that this is your
friend, right, this is replacingthat buddy that's talking to
(24:02):
you and to replacing that buddythat's talking to you and I to
me.
There's, there's a couplepieces to this One is.
All we need are kind of genericresponses, right, it, it, it.
It gives you back like a.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Google search version of.
Well, I think we have all thesethese tools.
Social media in general is atool that was that promised to
connect us with people right,facebook, even instagram.
You've got like the beep beepfunction on your apple watch
where you can like walkie talkiepeople like all these.
All this tech not everything,but a lot of this tech was
(24:38):
designed to connect us withpeople and what we found is that
over time, it's disconnected us.
So you you know, the companiesthat are pushing this technology
have a choice to make Eitherthey don't push it and they lose
out on a lot of money, or theyfind a solution.
So this is a bandaid over theissue that was created by
technology that promised tobring us together.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, and you've got Gen Z, and Gen Z is generally
I'm not saying everybody they'reafraid to have a phone call,
right, like one of the jokingly.
The best way to scare a Gen Zeris to call them or hand them a
phone and ask them to call thepizza place and order, cause
they don't do online ordering,right, like it gives them some
kind of anxiety because there'sthe idea of human connection.
They've been stepped back fromit.
(25:21):
But I think what's reallyinteresting is, by gamifying
social media, you've createdthis impact of instead of
looking for human connection,I'm looking for human acceptance
.
I'm looking for humans togenerally like me, right, I want
them to hit the like button,hit the follow button.
I want them to celebrate me, andso what we've done and this is
(25:42):
why I hate this idea so much,like viscerally.
I despise this idea is becausewhat you've done is created an
AI that's going to celebrate you.
It's going to be in the name ofmental health, right, and I
think that one.
In my personal opinion, one ofthe biggest threats to mental
health is having friends whodon't give you tough love.
Right Is not having somebody toprovide you with the also the
(26:07):
the hard to hear feedback andthere's no way that they're
going to build that into this ai.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It's going to be well , you did say that in the
commercial the ai was tauntinghim because he was doing poorly.
So there might be some likejust built-in yeah, but it's
kind of playful teasing playful.
Yes, man but nothing that'slike going to promote growth or
yeah, I very much doubt this.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Quote-unquote friend of your ai is going to be like
hey, I've noticed you've been onthe couch for seven straight
days.
You should go outside and touchsome grass.
I mean it might it might, butit's, but it's.
It's not going to give you theyou know.
It's going to give you internetfriendship.
Right, it's AI.
It's going to scrub theinternet.
Look through Reddit andwherever else and take the
advice somebody else gavesomebody else, but that advice
(26:56):
AI is processing the data thatit sees and there's no denying
whatsoever.
No one will argue that theinternet is real life.
It's keyboard warriors, it'speople giving fake advice, it's
you know, it's all those things,and AI is not going to be able
to process that.
So now you're giving me afriend who's only going to give
me Google advice.
Right, it is what I'll find onGoogle or a chat room or
(27:17):
something, which is whateveryone historically has said.
They call them keyboardwarriors.
You wouldn't say that to myface.
You're not.
That's not real, right?
So I'm giving you a friend.
I'm now calling it your friend.
It's called, I believe the aiis called friend.
I'm giving you a friend.
Whose job is it?
Um, it's, it's being.
It's being made by an engineercalled av schumann or something
(27:40):
like that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It's an independent person, yeah uh, who's
developing?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
trying to sell sorry, I hate your idea.
Not that I don't think you'retrying right.
You may truly believe that'shelpful, but for me personally I
think it's absolutelyridiculous.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Well, it's enabling people to no longer try right.
So if you are in a situationwhere you're in a new city or
you're in between friendships orrelationships and you, what
would be best for you is to meetnew people, it enables you to
not do that and that's going tobe worse for your mental health.
Yeah, it's already hard to dothat when everyone's online well
(28:17):
, think of dating.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Right right, dating went from um, go go somewhere
you enjoy and meet people thatare in that space and engage
with them, and at that time theidea of internet dating was like
, well, you don't know who thatperson is, it's a stranger.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Right, you don't know any of your friends.
It could be a catfish.
It could be a serial killer.
Everyone's seen that show.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Right.
So we've gone from that to.
We've almost flopped Datingtoday, seemingly.
Now I haven't dated in a verylong time so I can't speak to
dating today with any kind ofconfidence, but it seems to me
like dating today is exactly theopposite.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
If I don't have a profile to be, if I don't have,
yes.
If you cannot find the persononline, it's a red flag.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
No, but even the dating profile.
If I don't see their datingprofile first, I don't know if I
like them, I don't know if Itrust them right, like like
meeting somebody who you don'thave data about beforehand is
terrifying.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Well, meghan Markle said that, you know, when she
was blown up about, you know,not realizing the controversies
surrounding Harry and everythingthat the media said about Harry
, and you know all his socialhis, his social universe.
She famously said I didn't, Ididn't Google my boyfriend.
I didn't Google, I didn't, Ididn't look him up.
(29:29):
And everyone's like, yeah,right, because who doesn't do
that, who doesn't GoogleFacebook stock?
You know, find new, their,their dating profile, like
everyone does that becauseyou're expected to have an
online presence and if you don't, it's weird.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
And most of the best people I know, that once they
got married and started theirfamily, got rid of social media.
They don't even, like some ofthe best men that I know, don't
use social media at all.
They find it distracting.
They find it irritating.
They don't want to be part ofit.
It's too polarizing.
It distracts me from mybusiness.
I don't want to do it.
And so there's this era thatwe're entering where the thing
(30:05):
that scares me the most is thatpeople may will look at this and
go what a great idea.
I could use a friend Right, andnow I've got a friend who truly
does not care about me.
He's legitimately justprocessing data that I give them
and spitting out a genericresponse and learning the
response that I like to hear.
And now no one compares to thefriend that kisses your can we
(30:29):
swear on this, you're creating afriend who's quote unquote
perfect.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
And that's the hardest part about it, right?
Because let's be real, ifyou're creating a product for
people to buy, you're not gonnawant them to have a friend that
occasionally irritates them,because they're gonna turn it
off.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
There's a movie, it's called Susie, where it's a.
It's a sci-fi thriller.
And it's this same conceptwhere, like they develop this,
this human size doll who'spacked full of AI and she's her,
her, her purpose is to be yourchild's best friend.
(31:06):
So you buy this doll and it'slike her best friend and it
walks and it talks and itresponds and it's like it's, you
know, ends up turning reallyevil and yeah, because the kid
grows up no, it just, it justlike ends up being like really
evil and does terrible thingsand kill people and it's like a
chucky situation.
But it's terrifying to mebecause I feel like this is a
(31:26):
step towards that type ofproduct where it's like you can
buy a humanoid that looks,sounds and like now it's not
just a pendant around your neck,talks to you.
Now it like looks like a person, moves, like a person, like now
you can, you can build youryour own friendship group or or
(31:46):
village with technology.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I mean tesla's currently making a helper robot
to live in your house now, right, and it's so that that's the
other piece of it.
Right is?
I've always been pro secondamendment, sure, um, but the
bigger and more influential aiand robots get, yeah, probably,
uh, go, go, uh, go into.
Uh, what's that movie with willsmith?
Um, I, robot iRobot.
(32:11):
Yeah, I'm going to go fulliRobot and just don't trust
anything.
But speaking of so, this is noton John's roast of the week per
se, but it's going to kind ofillustrate again my point about
we're trying to create digitallyreal experiences and why I
think you should just go outsideand touch some grass and I Call
(32:33):
your mom or call your mom orlike or your friend, that friend
that one time upset you becauseyou didn't like how she
responded to your boyfriend, orwhatever.
Maybe touch base with them.
Maybe they were just trying togive you some tough love,
especially if you're not datingthat guy anymore.
Maybe they were right, let's behonest.
That guy anymore.
(32:55):
Maybe they were right, let's behonest.
So a company called emerge homeis making an ultrasonic wave
machine that's designed tocreate tangible pressure points
in the air, to to bring sensoryfeedback to virtual reality.
So so what this thing does isit creates like pressure in the
in the air, so when you reachyour hand out, it feels like
(33:16):
you're touching something so itworks with vr.
Yes, experiences okay, so itpairs with the vr.
So like, if you reach your handout to touch a bush, it hits
you it hits you with thispressure on your hands, like
seismic wave pressure in yourhands, to create a sensory
feeling.
Now, now that's cool.
It is cool.
So this is where we go theother direction.
(33:36):
Okay, so I'm all for VR,because I do believe that VR can
.
There are benefits to virtualreality.
Right, Virtual reality can giveyou training opportunities.
It can give you experiencesthat you couldn't otherwise have
.
Right, it makes the world trulyflat, experiences that you
couldn't otherwise have.
Right, it makes the world trulyflat.
So I love the idea of virtualreality becoming being able to
(33:59):
simulate more real experiencesBecause, again, if I want to
fight a dinosaur right orsomething, or I want to go walk
through the ancient gardens ofBabylon or something, it can
give me these really coolexperiences.
I think virtual reality does.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Great educational application.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Great educational.
It can really turn movies intoa much more in-depth experience.
But to me that's where it ends.
Education, movies, video gamesRight.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Education, entertainment.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I do not support the world where it's like WALL-E
we're all plugged in and ridingaround in other fat people
floating chairs and the wholeworld is around this other one
where he goes back in time andhe's truly exceptional idiocracy
yeah where they're all justsitting around on their little
yeah.
So like I do not support vrgoing that direction, I think it
to me it's a pure entertainment.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I find this really interesting because now it would
need to be sorry, I didn't cutyou off.
It would need to be sorry, Ididn't tell you off.
It would need to beunobtainable at the consumer
level.
Right, it would have to be likea technology you see in really
good school systems that canafford to deploy this technology
within the classroom, withinthe entertainment world.
You'd go to the movie theaterto get this experience kind of
(35:07):
like 3D.
3d was never really broughtinto the home, and not well, so
it would have to stay veryunobtainable from a cost
perspective in order to nottrickle down and become this
highly distracting technologythat takes over.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
This is on the other side of that.
It's to the point, right.
So when we say, innovate yourhappiness, innovate your life,
we're not just saying like, getrid of your social media, throw
your phone out the window and gotouch some grass Do?
I think that would be veryhelpful for you, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
It's a season for everything.
It's a season to doom scroll.
Yeah, exactly it's a season tonot.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
But yeah, so I'm not saying that that's the answer to
all the things in life.
Digital, the digital world, isvery helpful in a lot of ways.
I'm not saying that everythingthat simulates real life is bad.
Right, this Emerge HomeSoundwave Projector.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I guess it's called.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
What's it called Ultrasound Projector?
It's called the Emerge Wave 1.
Wave.
I think this is a really reallyneat application.
It's something that you cantake and you can do some really
special things with.
So do I think it shouldsimulate real life to the point
where that's all you're doing,no, do?
I think it's a really great wayto bring a physical, tactile
(36:17):
response to VR, absolutely.
So I'm not saying delete alldigital, right, digital has a
and I delete all robotics.
There's a company calledConstruction Robotics that makes
a portable robot called themule whose entire job is to take
100 to 175 pound items in mosttheir most use cases is like
(36:41):
construction block and to putthem to virtually make them
weightless so that the personoperating the machine doesn't
have to strain their body tojust move a bunch of block right
.
And moving blocks is a veryrepetitive task, and we live in
South Florida where there's anever-ending supply of
relatively inexpensive labor.
Who can schlep blocks reallyfast and really hard, but we're
(37:02):
damaging those humans, right?
So that's an use of robotics Ithink is incredibly valuable.
It makes that job lessdetrimental to your physical
well-being, which gives you moretime with the family.
I support that one.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, it's not about tech aversion, right or
innovative aversion or fear,even.
It's about it's a tool.
We have to remember these aretools.
They have great, powerfulapplications.
They also have the power toreally impact our lives in
pretty astounding terrible waysif we let them get out of hand.
(37:39):
Um, and, and you know, goingback to that, on a baseline and
treadmill like these are tools.
They can, they can bring you up, they can bring you down.
They're not going to make youhappy.
They're, you know, likesfollows a friend around your
neck.
It's not going to make youhappy, um it's all vapor in the
wind.
It's all vapor in the wind.
I love that, and so, justremembering that these are tools
(38:02):
or powerful tools, they canhelp us accomplish great things,
they can make us moreproductive, safer, give us great
experiences, but there's moreto life and to what you said.
You know, get out there, be inthe moment, be present.
You know, go roll in the, wouldyou say roll in grass?
I'm not sure we don't have realgrass on our property, so I'm
not sure we're going to be doingthat anytime soon.
(38:23):
But yeah, and I think that'sthe biggest takeaway, is that
these are tools that, when usedappropriately, can be really
powerful Powers for good.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, and there was a video I saw the other day
online.
It was a cartoon and it was abunch of people sitting down to
an office table and the guy says, hey, before we begin, let's
just all remember in not thatlong of time we're all going to
be dead and none of this isgoing to matter.
So let's all keep that in mindbefore we take anything too
seriously.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Now let's begin the meeting.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
And on that bombshell , I think we should all take out
the military-grade propagandamachines in our pockets and
follow the Innovate Everythingpodcast.
Follow us on social media.
Innovate the Ordinary.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Give us a follow and then turn it off.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, give us a follow, turn it off and then
check in, like once a week forseason two, but thank you so
much for joining us and once aweek for season two, but thank
you so much for joining us and,as always, we really appreciate
your listening, your time, yourinvestment in us.
It honors and humbles us thatyou choose to be part of this.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Journey.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Journey, as we just talked, through the ways in
which we and others areinnovating the world around us.
So thank you so much forfollowing us and have a
wonderful week.
Some grass.
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