March 22, 2024 • 43 mins
Imagine a sporting world where the unexpected twists of WWE storylines slam into the NFL and other major leagues. Chris and I tackle this concept head-on, questioning the integrity of sports in an era dominated by entertainment. We're peeling back the curtain to reveal how changes in rules and rumored manipulations could be steering games toward preordained outcomes. From whispers of doctored baseballs to eyebrow-raising calls on the football field, join us for a thought-provoking look at the blurred lines between pure competition and orchestrated drama.
Be ready to rumble with our comparison of the NFL's scheduling tactics to the WWE's narrative-driven showdowns. We playfully assign wrestling personas to NFL teams, sparking a debate on whether these character arcs could predict future gridiron glories or flops. The heart of sports lies in its uncertainty; we explore how this unpredictability mirrors the WWE's tension, keeping fans riveted to their screens, eager for the next chapter in these athletic epics.
Our finale zeroes in on the Dallas Cowboys, the NFL's own wrestling heavyweight, whose narrative weight can boost the prestige of any team that topples them. Just like in the ring, where defeating a titan raises a wrestler's profile, we dissect how the 'Cowboys' effect' shapes the league's dynamics. Strap in for a full-contact discussion where sports, storytelling, and spectacle collide, challenging what you thought you knew about the games we love. Chris and I are your tag team for this wild ride through the theatrics of sports—no script necessary.
Be ready to rumble with our comparison of the NFL's scheduling tactics to the WWE's narrative-driven showdowns. We playfully assign wrestling personas to NFL teams, sparking a debate on whether these character arcs could predict future gridiron glories or flops. The heart of sports lies in its uncertainty; we explore how this unpredictability mirrors the WWE's tension, keeping fans riveted to their screens, eager for the next chapter in these athletic epics.
Our finale zeroes in on the Dallas Cowboys, the NFL's own wrestling heavyweight, whose narrative weight can boost the prestige of any team that topples them. Just like in the ring, where defeating a titan raises a wrestler's profile, we dissect how the 'Cowboys' effect' shapes the league's dynamics. Strap in for a full-contact discussion where sports, storytelling, and spectacle collide, challenging what you thought you knew about the games we love. Chris and I are your tag team for this wild ride through the theatrics of sports—no script necessary.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I want you to imagine a world where the outcome of
every sports game, everybreathtaking match, every
thrilling championship bout ispredetermined.
And if you're not a sports fan,stay with me, because this is a
mental pretzel that we're goingto get ourselves into.
That's not about sports.
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It's about scripting.
It's about the idea that ascenario is predetermined.
It's not about the athlete'sskill or strategy or the
unpredictability that makessports so captivating to us.
Instead, it's about control.
It's about scripts writtenbehind closed doors.
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It's about the victors and thevanquished.
It's about being able topredetermine that outcome.
And in sports, our joy comesfrom witnessing human endeavor,
unpredictability, competitionand the unity that it brings
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amongst fans.
Similar to a marketplace.
That would be almost purecapitalism, where there's
genuine choice.
That's what we expect out ofsports, and if you've listened
to the radio or Barstool sportsor any of those things, you may
have heard people say well, thescript is leaked, the NFL is
scripted and it's a joke that'sprevailed through the league.
(01:30):
But if there's a chance thatthat's true, if there's a chance
that there's, big corporationshave found these billion dollar
enterprises in college football,the NFL, major sports across
the landscape and used some ofthe philosophies that have been
popularized in things like theWWE slash, wwf.
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What if the script was leaked?
What if the control andpredictability made it a product
that was so dynamic and so wideand watchable?
And there were storylines, andso that's what we're going to
unpack today is if that's true?
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If that's the case, should wedemand inconsistency?
Should we demand the abilityfor the marketplace to decide
itself?
And part of what makesinnovators and part of what
makes coming up with innovativeideas what they are, is being
able to step back and take alook and say, hey, let's think
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of something in a slightlydifferent way, and that's one of
the things that we're going totry and practice.
So today, what we're going to dois something a little bit
different.
We're going to make anassumption that this idea of the
NFL script, the scripting ofthe NFL season we're going to
assume it's true and we're goingto say what would they do?
(02:58):
How would they approach this?
And we're going to make theassumption that the WWE, wwf
have lent their script writersto the NFL to create parody.
We've already got a productthat we know fans will watch and
fans will enjoy, so we aregoing to dive in today.
If we were those people?
What would we do?
(03:18):
And I'm joined today by Chrisand we're going to talk a little
bit about.
Let's assume, let's make someassumptions here, that there is
a predetermined nature tosporting events similar to the
corporate world.
So if we're making thoseassumptions, let's create a
hypothetical into how we couldsee that, how it would be
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visualized, and then go fromthere into if you were a
corporation and you were goingto make some predetermined
outcomes to popular sports.
A big part of what we do asinnovative thinkers is assume
that the answer is probablysimpler than people think.
Anytime I've been in bigcorporate meetings or big
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decision meetings.
A lot of times you'rereferencing something else that
you see, and so there may besome examples where
predetermined outcomes haveworked.
So let's assume the NFL has setup not every single game, but
some of these big storylinedefining games are predetermined
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.
They've started to take thosethings into account.
So if that's the case 2021, whenthe NFL opened the door to
gambling and start allowingsports gambling if you had a
five year plan saying we'regoing to open our doors to
gambling four to five yearsbefore, you may start changing
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some rules.
And so if you look back to 2017,2017 was the year where the NFL
started saying okay, a receivercan be a defensive defenseless
player, so if you hit a receiverin open field while they're in
the process of catching the ball, that you can get a 15 yard
penalty and or be ejected,depending on how hard the hit
was.
They enacted additional rulesfor low hits against the
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quarterback.
They enacted additional rulesfor contact downfield from
between receivers and defendersand you started hearing a lot of
NFL defensive playerscomplaining about these rules
and how almost impossible it isto stop an offensive play.
So if we're saying that 2017we're making these decisions
2021, we're now opening the doorto gambling and to the
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possibility that 2021 is theintroduction of this
predetermined outcome to games.
2017 would be the year after wemade our decision for our five
year plan to move forward.
So not saying that's the case,I'm just saying it happens to be
convenient.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And, chris, I think you were talking about you had
some other examples in thebaseball world as well, yeah,
there's examples kind ofeverywhere where people put on
their tin foil hats and they say, man, I've got this conspiracy
theory in baseball.
The conspiracy theory is thatwhen big pitchers come up for
free agency, you juice the ball,so there's more home runs the
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year before the season before abig pitcher comes up on free
agency.
Same with hitters.
So if a bunch of hitters likeAaron Judge are coming up on
free agencies, you deaden theball, so there are less home
runs.
And you know, you're AaronJudge who used to hit.
I think he just hit 60 oneseason.
Recently he's now hitting 45and he's grounding into double
plays.
Same with pitchers.
You know they used to have a,you know, sub two ERA and now
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the ERA is pushing forwardbecause the balls are juiced and
they're giving up more homeruns.
I think there's, you know, someother examples too.
You know, last night, orwhenever you listen to, this UK
just lost in the SEC tournamentto Texas A&M and they just, you
know, came out and they're likewell, the SEC makes a million
dollars for every game and SECteam wins in the NCAA tournament
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.
So it's financially good forKentucky to lose because the SEC
gets another team in MarchMadness.
So you're seeing a million moredollars go to the SEC now
because you've made a favoritelose.
So there's examples and I thinkif you're a fan of any sport
where you can look at it and goI don't know, I don't want to
say it's predetermined, butthere's a pretty good business
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case if it is.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, and I know, as fans, obviously, you know, for
me and the Miami Dolphins thereare times where I say, oh man,
you know Dolphins were thisclose to winning.
But in the case of last year,two a tongue of ILO was injured,
so you had Skyler Thompsonstarting in a playoff game and
two had no intentions comingback before, before any
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predetermined amount of time,and so the Dolphins were, I mean
, within a play of beating theBills in that, in that playoff
game.
And as a Dolphins fan, you lookat that and you say, holy cow,
our team is awesome.
And then you start looking atthe pass interferences that
weren't called and that kind ofstuff.
So as a fan it is easy to sayit was definitely the refs or
that was.
You know that game was, quoteunquote, fixed right, and you
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get frustrated with with theprocess.
But what if you're right?
Right, and again, I'm notsaying that.
I think that every sports, youknow, every sports game is
predetermined.
We're talking just about thepotential of those historic
storyline setting games right,the games that get Patrick
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Mahomes in the Super Bowlagainst Brock Hardy, those type
of games where Taylor Swift isable to attend the Super Bowl,
those are the games we'retalking about, where the things
that define those and I remembertoward the end of the season
there were there were some statsabout there hadn't been a
single holding call against thechiefs for so many quarters
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leading up to the Super Bowl,and data like that.
And so let's put on our tinfoilhats for a second, let's put on
our corporate ties and let's say, hey, we're going to
predetermine some games tomaximize revenue.
And what better place to lookand to assess those things than
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the WWE, wwf, professionalwrestling a world in which you
already have predeterminedoutcomes and you already have
storylines and pieces and partsof that entire franchise are
built around really, really goodstories that get fans really,
really dialed in, and it'sproven that, even knowing that
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it's predetermined outcomes andit's, it's kind of like a soap
opera.
We already know it's anathletic show more than it is
two people actually trying tosee who can best each other, but
we're so dialed in as fans.
So, chris, I know you have alot of knowledge on the WWE.
Can you give us a quick rundownof how that all works?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, I mean, you know I don't want to say I'm a
huge fan, but I am a fan.
I've been watching it forever.
It's kind of what you do ifyou're from Kentucky is on
Monday night.
You turn on Monday night Rawand see what's up.
But at its core, wrestling isnothing more than a soap opera
or a movie that you go see.
Right, people will go Well, howdo you watch it?
Because it's, it's fake and youknow, generally speaking, you
can look at that person and go,hey man, did you see Avengers
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Endgame?
And they go Absolutely greatestmovie all time.
You go hey man, that was alsofake and predetermined, but you
enjoyed it, right?
So the WWE is is all abouttaking you on a story.
So we're going to look for afew things when we think about
the NFL in relation to the WWE.
You're absolutely right, john,we're going to look for big
storyline.
So what is the overarchingstories of the year?
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A good one last year can TaylorSwift go to the Super Bowl?
If Taylor Swift goes to theSuper Bowl, there is a dollar
sign attached to that.
I don't know how much it is,but if she's in the stands, more
people.
I think it was like the mostwatched Super Bowl of all time,
if I'm not mistaken, right.
And then you, you also have.
You want good games.
You want every game to matter.
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Now, I know, at the end of theseason some games don't matter,
but we want to minimize how manygames don't matter.
We don't want, you know, thetwo worst teams in the league.
We don't want two teams likethe Cardinals and the Rams going
at it in week 16.
If it doesn't matter at all, wewant as many teams to have
playoff hopes as absolutelypossible throughout the season
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and we want to try to find somereason to either root for or
root against everyone.
At its core, wrestling isliterally a good guy in a white
hat versus the bad guy in theblack hat.
And can the good guy overcomethe bad guy?
So you, the bad, the bad guywill generally have some
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advantage, be it like otherpeople in the corner when
they're in wrestling, or theref's back is turned so they can
hit a legal move or whatever.
So can the good guy overcomeand come out on top ultimately
at the Super Bowl.
So again, everyone.
The golden rule of wrestling iseveryone goes home happy, so
can we send as many people homehappy as possible with writing
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the best storylines and tellingthe best story we can.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
It's interesting because you think of the WWE and
what you're saying, as far aseveryone goes home happy.
And the NFL just started doingflex games where they'll move a
Sunday to a Thursday.
And some of that is just tomake Amazon happy, right, you
need Amazon just paid a fortunefor Thursday Night Football.
You've got to make sure there'sa good game on.
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So the NFL started doing thisflex option where there's I
think it's 12 games a year.
They can flex, where they canmove that game from a Monday to
a Sunday or from Sundayafternoon to Sunday night and
they can pick and choose whatgames they want to put into what
holes.
And a lot of the Jets last yearwere supposed to be in
primetime games because of AaronRodgers joining the team and
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they moved a lot of those gamesout once they got hurt.
When you think of things likeand if you've been in and around
Barstool sports, you even kindof watched the NFL you've
probably heard oh, the scriptwas leaked.
And there's people that aresaying oh, the colors of the
Super Bowl logo, down to thatlevel that's announced like
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halfway through the season, thelast so many years the logo
colors have happened to be theteams that are playing in the
Super Bowl and this year theyactually changed the Super Bowl
logo colors about six weeksbefore the season ended and
everyone kind of looks at thatand says that's the sign.
I want to do an experiment.
I want to open a little bit ofa can of worms here and run an
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experiment where you and I, nextNFL season, we do a gambling
test of our hypothesis.
Let's talk about if we were totake 32 NFL teams and assign
them WOWE alter egos, whetherpast or present.
I'll leave that up to you andsay, okay, if these two people
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were facing off, how would thatgo?
I think, if we take those alteregos and we assign them to 32
NFL teams, do you think we canget any kind of success out of
that model?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Absolutely.
I think it's pretty funny.
We can probably do that.
So we can try, definitely,right?
So the quick answer is yes, wecan absolutely try it and see if
it works.
And there's things that we haveto think about, right.
So we're going to assign themall WWF personas is what I'll
call them and see what happenshere.
So we're going to assign someteams kind of at the bottom of
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the barrel.
For example, maybe the Bearswill be a wrestler you know and
probably ever heard of, like aHarvey Whimpleman.
His only job is to be a 150pound dude who walks out and
gets destroyed by your Andre theGiants.
Right, because his job is tomake Andre look unbeatable.
So say and I don't know whowe're going to assign to who yet
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but say the Chiefs play theBears, right?
Well, if I'm scripting that, Iwant the Chiefs to win by 50.
I want the Chiefs to look justabsolutely just bulletproof, but
also kind of in the background,we're going to be doing
something else, right, likewe're going to also understand
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that we don't want people to dothings like go undefeated,
because if someone goesundefeated every year, it's not
fun.
If someone sets records everyyear, it's not fun.
And if someone sets a record,we want it to be attainable.
One thing that you may not knowabout wrestling is the guy who
holds the record for most daysis WWF champion, is a guy named
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Bruto San Martino from like the50s, and his record is like
almost 5000 days, if not more.
I think it's somewhere like the4800 day range.
I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but theproblem with that record is the
way the world works.
Now the current guy has had itfor like 1000 days and that's
just unheard of.
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So there's no way he is goingto break the Bruto San Martino
record.
So when we think about recordsand personas, we also don't want
to think about like well, whatif Patrick Mahomes throws for
20,000 yards this year?
That would get everyone ontheir feet.
It might.
It would be unbelievable.
But if you're the NFL, youactually don't want that because
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you can't have that ever again,right?
So things need to be in decentparity.
We want you know we don't wantblowouts between two juggernauts
.
We do want them to be closejust in case they meet back up
again in the NFC championship orthe Super Bowl game.
We're going to have some pretty.
We're going to have some funhere and at its core, if we just
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the way I'm doing this is I'mkind of taking offline chats
with you some ratings fromMadden and I'm going OK, here's
the good teams, here's the badteams, you know, pulling the
sheet back a little bit, pullingthe curtain back a little bit.
You know, the good teams areprobably going to beat the bad
teams, right?
You know spoiler alerts.
So I do think we'll be somewhatsuccessful, because if the
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chiefs play the Rams, I'm goingto go.
Well, I'm going to expectchiefs to win, and I would say
nine times out of 10, that'sprobably true, right?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, and well, the thing that we want to think
about is we're going to assumebecause it is professional
sports and there is no way ofreally controlling everything
we're going to assume that it'sjust the marquee matchups.
Because, as you were talking,I'm thinking back to seasons
past.
Right, so you've got this.
Even last year, this seeminglyunbeatable Dolphins team right
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and the narrative and MikeMcDaniel said it several times
if we go to Buffalo and we lose,the narrative will be well,
they can't be good teams.
The Dolphins, I mean absolutely, we hung 70 something points on
the Denver Broncos and then wego and we lose to the Ravens we
lose to which the year beforehad been a wild come from behind
, absolute victory.
So I think there is some, somenatural parody in the NFL.
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I want to focus heavily on thebig marquee games because when I
think back to seasons past, italways seems to be that
quarterback that is on track tothrow for the most yards in NFL
history or whatever in a season.
It's always that guy last year,Tyra Kill, on track for 2000
yards.
It's always that team thatsomehow manages to like, I mean
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absolutely, just beat the doorsoff of everyone and then somehow
gets hard slowdowns toward theend of the year.
The reason I want to focus onmarquee games is because there's
a lot that you can do in those.
So if I'm the corporate, youknow, faceless corporation
that's trying to predeterminesome of these games, I can't.
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I know I can't touch everythingright, Because fans are, you
know, it's short for fanatic,they're paying attention,
they're micromanaging everylittle thing.
I mean, after any major lossyou've got fans breaking down.
You know on Reddit the exactway that this, this breath, has
called pass interference allyear long, and this game was
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different.
And if you're the NFL and youhave to kind of protect your
image to a degree, because theNFL is all about the shield,
right, Protect the shield, butmake sure that everyone sees
this perfect face of the NFL,we're trying to do everything
right.
If you see a one-off game, youcan just go eh, things happen.
Sorry, If there's patterns andit's obvious, then it makes it a
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lot harder to defend.
So I think it's the marqueematchups that we look for.
Let's take an idea, Okay, sowhat defines a good guy and a
bad guy in the WWE?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah.
So the good guy is always goingto be chasing right.
So there's a couple of thingsthat define a good guy.
A good guy obviously hasintegrity, right.
They're not going to break therules.
They're going to come out.
Obviously, the people run acheer form.
They make it easy to cheer forthem.
There's some story there.
So you know, maybe you knowthey're from a certain town or
they grew up in, you know, ruralMontana.
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Now they're chasing their dreambeing the WWF superstar.
Right now it's Cody Rhodes, isthe big baby face.
So he's the big good guy rightnow.
He's, you know, the son of DustyRhodes, who never got the WWF
championship.
He had all the otherchampionships in the 60s when he
was fighting.
He had the NWA championship buthe never got the WWF
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championship.
And now his son, cody Rhodes,came into the WWF, probably 10
years ago now and just bouncedaround in the low tier of the
WWF.
So he actually quit the WWF,went and started his own
wrestling organization, which isactually still going AEW.
Became headliner of AEW,obviously started.
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It.
Comes back, you know, becomesfree agent, doesn't want to keep
doing that thing.
Comes back to the WWF, wwb, andnow he's challenging for the
belt he's challenging for thebelt that his dad never had.
And who's he got to beat forthe belt?
A guy named Roman Reigns.
Roman Reigns is the bad guywho's had the belt for a
thousand days and no one canbeat him.
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And when you get close tobeating him, the thing that
makes him the bad guy is one ofhis posse, like he has a couple
of his cousins hang out with himand they're always at ringside.
And when he gets close tolosing, oh, one of his cousins
distracts the ref so he doesn'tsee Roman Reigns lose, or
punches the good guy behind theback of the ref to make sure
that Roman Reigns gets the upperhand just to the end, to just
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win.
And then you do it all overagain next month with whoever
the new hot babyface is right.
Yeah, everybody's predictingCody's coming back.
He's gonna win WrestleManiathis year, wrestlemania April
7th, so about a month away.
It's the biggest show, it's asuper bowl of wrestling and
we'll see if Cody Rhodes canbeat Roman Reigns this year in
WrestleMania.
The Rock is in Roman Reigns'corner, so you can already see
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they've brought back the Rock.
Who is this legend to be inRoman Reigns' corner to make it
seem like Cody Rhodes has thisunclimable mountain ahead of him
and now, you see, can he win?
So the good guys, people youwanna root for, people who are
gonna abide by the rules, peoplewho don't get those slimy wins
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they don't win because of infootball.
They wouldn't win just becauseof a last second holding call or
a last second PI call.
They come out there and theyjust win.
They are just better.
And if they lose they come backbetter the next week.
Right, your bad guys.
If they win, they're alwaysmaking excuses.
If they win, they could win bycheating.
For example, if there was a badguy really in NFL, they would
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win every game because they gaveup a last second touchdown but
then a flag was thrown and itwas offensive pass interference
or something, so they would winby losing the game, but a last
second call would turn it aroundso that they would win A bad
guy would have the worst fans inthe world throwing stuff at the
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opposing bench during the gameto get their heads out of the
game, things like that.
So that's what we're gonna lookforward to see if they're a
good guy or a face, or a bad guyor a hill.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
First things.
First, you described thePhiladelphia Eagles for a second
.
There, I mean, famously, thereare NFL players who won't bring
their family to Eagles gamesbecause the Eagles fans are just
mean and they're very, verypassionate, they're very, very
pro their team but they're justkind of a mean fan base.
But okay, so let's talk thehero's journey, because when you
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say last second passinterference call, I mean that
happens all the time.
So let's use the New OrleansSaints as an example.
So the New Orleans Saints havehad two AFC championship games
that I can remember where theylost the game on like blatant
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fouls.
I wanna say it was against theRams, where the defender
absolutely just tackled thereceiver but would have been
blatant offensive passinterference, no call, saints
lose the game.
That happens a fair amount inthe NFL where there's a call or
a no call which would leantowards our thought process.
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Right, hypothetically speaking,kansas City Chiefs are a hero,
their Taylor Swift team, theyjust won two back to back.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, so they could be doing.
There's a couple of things thatyou could do with the Kansas
City Chiefs this year if I was aWWF script writer, right?
So we kind of gotta make somedecisions because there's a
writer's room and everybody hasa shelf life.
So you can do one of two thingswith the Kansas City Chiefs.
Can they three Pete?
Because has there been a threePete in NFL history?
John?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
If anyone did, it was Tom Brady, but I don't think
Tom Brady did it.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
So there's never been a three Pete.
So you could have two stories.
One is can they three Pete?
And if Taylor Swift is in thestands, you don't know if they
break up or whatever.
This year, kind of, I'm hopingTravis breaks up with her
because I'm single, you neverknow right.
So maybe if she's still in thestands you wanna see them three
Pete because you know that shebrings eyes and money in a way
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that no other team can.
So she's in the stands.
I want them to be the dominantgood guy champion where they
just go through the season andit's like can they three Pete?
And that's the whole story,right?
If you get that payoff.
I don't know, but maybe, yeah,maybe, you do do that payoff.
Maybe they do get engaged afterthe Super Bowl, after Travis
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Kelsey catches the final pass.
If you choose not to have thestory, be the three Pete.
Another great story that, likethe Kansas City Chiefs could go
through, is one that builds upother teams, right?
So if you're in the business,you don't want just one guy to
be unbeatable.
You wanna, like bring more andmore teams up.
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So you kind of wanna rotatewho's the top good guy in any
given year, right?
So if you're over the Chiefsand you're like I don't want the
Chiefs in the Super Bowlanymore, what you could do is
you could say, okay, what I'mgonna do this year with them is
I'm actually gonna let a lot ofteams beat them so they have
like an eight and eight season.
And by that eight and eightseason, what you've done is
maybe they make a wild card gameso you do get them in the
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playoffs.
But now you've made, like, say,the Jaguars beat the Chiefs and
their playoffs contenders.
Now, now you've got eyes on theJaguars, you take the bills.
They beat them.
Now you got eyes on the bills.
It's called like giving otherpeople the shine.
So it's like they're taking allof your fans and all the eyes
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that were on you and you showother people that they're a good
team.
Right, like, imagine the billsand the Chiefs are tied, you
know, 14-14.
Going into the fourth quarterand last second drive, the bills
throw a hell of a marrying winthe game.
Because it was over the Chiefs,you had more eyes watching the
bills and now, because of thatmajor play, you have more eyes
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going with the bills goingforward.
So that's two ways their journeycould look.
Their journey could either beone of can the three p happen,
and that's the way I'm gonnalook at it, or another heroes
journey could be just can theyreach a goal?
So let's take it, take thechiefs away from it.
Let's look at somebody maybelike I Don't know the Browns,
like they're, they're good guysin our list here.
(26:58):
They Kind of outside looking inon the playoffs.
Their fans have been throughabsolutely everything, starting
with my boy, tim couch, in thewhat 2000, 2001.
They've had a new quarterbackevery year.
Well, their story is just canthey overcome?
you know can.
Can the Browns Squeak it out?
Can the Browns win by just onepoint over the Ravens?
(27:21):
Can the Browns just figure outa way and find a way to win
against the Vikings?
I Don't know, but that would betheir story, right it's?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
okay, so let's, let's assume it's the 3p, right, is
there value to?
Because obviously in the WWEthese are individual humans.
In an NFL team there's multiplecomponents to the organization.
So for script writers we'regonna say, okay, they can't be
too good, right, so they can'tbe too much of a good guy,
otherwise we can't let them win.
(27:53):
They can't be too much of a badguy or they can be too much of
that guy.
So I think back to Tom Brady.
Most of the middle of TomBrady's career, while he was
winning five of his seven titles, were Bill Belichick Is the
greatest coach of all time andhe's not letting Tom Brady shine
.
It's to flake gate, it's spygate, it's Tom.
(28:14):
You know, perry, trouble inparadise.
Tom Brady and Bill Belichickgonna break up.
And then it's Tom Brady andBill Belichick are breaking up.
Tom Brady's going off the Tampa.
And now it's is Bill Belichickanything at all without Tom
Brady, right?
Those are like the NFL versionsof the LeBron versus Jordan
conversation.
Every single year you wouldhear about it.
And.
And now you've got TravisKelsey Screaming in the face of
(28:38):
his head coach on the sidelineof the Super Bowl and everyone's
like, yeah, it's okay, it'sjust.
You know, let's just Travis bein Travis.
And you've got Jason Kelsey inthe stands, you know, howling
and taking a shirt off it's.
You've got some some villainhood kind of getting developed
right.
You're almost painting JasonKelsey the hero of the Eagles.
(28:59):
You're painting him as the goodguy and Painting his brother is
a bit of a bit of a jerk, right.
So when you think of it in thatterm, are we?
Are we adding some a little bitof villain to our superheroes
here or to our heroes here tomake them kind of turn?
Are we turning them bad?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, yeah you could absolutely do that and that's
actually.
That's a Something that happensI won't say often, but does
happen, you know, semifrequently is I would say, if
you had a champion win three ina row, where it's like man he
like, who can beat this guy?
Well, you don't want that to bea good guy, because the whole
point of a good guy is toovercome something.
So if you're the, if you're thebest of the best and you're the
(29:39):
good guy, well, who'sovercoming that?
Right, like you, another goodguy, like you don't want to good
guys fighting for thechampionship.
You want a good guy and a badguy.
That's what tells the story.
So what do you do?
You take somebody like thechiefs and you make them a bad
guy, right?
So if the chiefs won the thirdone this year, you know.
And then you know Travis Kelseyis seen outside, like you know.
(30:01):
You know flipping birds to thePhiladelphia fans or whatever
that could do.
It matter of fact, one of themost famous things that ever
happened in wrestling was StoneCold, steve Austin and Bret Hart
.
They had a famous match wherethey did what was called a
double turn, and what that meansis Bret Hart was a started the
match as a good guy and StoneCold Steve Austin started the
match as a bad guy and by theend of the match they did it so
(30:24):
well, stone Cold Steve Austin,everybody's rooting for him and
he's the good guy and Bret Hartis the bad guy moving forward.
So you could even havesomething like that where you
know if you really wanted to gocrazy, john and we won't go here
.
But could you imagine like thechiefs are just dominating and
like, you know, middle fingersto everybody and just slowly
turning into this bad guy andthen all of a sudden the Eagles
(30:46):
have an injury and here comesJason Kelsey to, you know,
halfway through the season,suiting back up to see if he can
make one more run.
I Don't know that that, likethe whole country just wouldn't
get behind Jason Kelsey, nomatter if he's on the Eagles or
not, right?
So you took a famously bad teamin the Eagles through, you know
, jason Kelsey strapping thepads on for one more time to
(31:08):
make this comeback, to see if hecan win a super Well over his
brother who is all of a suddennow the bad guy.
That's prime time TV, right, andyou don't want a good guy to,
and also throughout the season.
We don't want the chiefs to goundefeated.
We want them to look like theycan get beat because no one's
gonna watch the Super Bowl.
If it's like I have, the chiefsare going by 70, right, like,
(31:28):
if we believe the chiefs aregoing by 60, 70, we're not even
gonna turn it on or we don'teven stay past half time.
You want it to be a close day.
You know just two Titans goingat it where they.
You know the, you know thespreads like three points.
So to answer your question,sorry, long story long.
Yes, you could absolutely turna good guy into a bad guy If you
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can't find a bad guy for thegood guy to overcome.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So we're gonna start off this journey.
Looking at the landscape of theNFL right now, I've got two
people in mind.
I love actually do love yourEagles.
Take right, because you've gotJason Kelsey's wife who says I
love the Eagles so much I willnot wear another team's colors.
I don't care who's playing orwhere he goes, any of that stuff
(32:13):
, I don't care if his brothersin the Super Bowl, I'm not going
to wear another team's gear,I'm just a diehard Philadelphia
fan instantly and dearing her tothe world of the NFL.
So you've got that storylinealready.
You've got Jason Kelsey, who'sjust this lovable human being.
And and now, as you talk aboutthat, I think of Travis Kelsey
(32:33):
screaming in his coach's face.
I think of before the AFCchampionship.
Think at the game.
I think it was of Travis Kelseyand Patrick Mahomes moving the
the kicker for the the kickerfor the other kicker, for the
Justin Tucker's.
Yeah, I remember that, yeah,throwing his stuff right.
So you've got, you've got somebad guy stuff already, building
(32:54):
a little bit Kind of a littlebit of a bad boy vibe there.
They do trick plays againstteams.
They're gonna smoke.
So let's, let's make anassumption that we're turning
the, the Kansas City Chiefs, bad, which, if I'm understanding
this, this logic correctlybehind the WWE, means they would
have a strong season thisseason coming up.
(33:16):
Yeah, they're gonna look,they're gonna look good, they're
gonna look unbeatable.
And so I, we're gonna startthis off by making two bets way,
way early, way too early,prediction bets.
We're gonna bet thePhiladelphia Eagles to win the
Super Bowl.
I.
And then we're gonna bet theCincinnati Bengals to win the
Super Bowl.
And here's why Joe Burrow issuch a hero, loved by everybody.
(33:42):
All the women think he'sbeautiful.
He plays for the Bengals, whichis kind of like an easy
underdog team, all the potentialin the world, but he just keeps
getting hurt.
And right now they're talkingabout Justin Jefferson possibly
being traded to Cincinnati.
So the whole theme going intothis year, if Justin Jefferson
goes to the Cincinnati Bengals,will be can Joe Burrow stay
(34:04):
healthy, which was the theme oftwo last year.
Can he just stay healthythrough a season?
If yes, they're gonna beincredible.
So they're gonna go out thereand they're gonna have a really,
really good season.
They're gonna meet up with theChiefs midseason.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Oh, he's gotta win that game.
If you're saying Chiefs for thebad, yeah, they're gonna meet
up with midseason Chiefs forgoing by 14.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
If the Chiefs beat the Bengals like that, like, and
Joe Burrow has a horrible game,and then Joe Burrow goes off,
Joe Burrow's gonna have ahorrible game and Jeffries is
gonna get injured and come backlike two or three weeks later.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Perfect perfect so, but then they finish the year
really strong and then they lookreally dominant going into the
Super Bowl.
So we'll make two bets, way tooearly bets.
We'll bet the CincinnatiBengals and separate bet the
Philadelphia Eagles to win theSuper Bowl next year.
Unfortunately for MiamiDolphins.
If we assume this is the case,Miami should have a very good
(35:00):
year this year because they'reheroes, but they're gonna lose
in like tragic fashion in theAFC Championship or something.
They're gonna get beat or whatyou actually well know, because
you'd have to have the Bengalsplaying the Chiefs in the AFC
Championship so they'd have tolose the game before that.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah.
Well, what you have, though,also is like in WWF, while
predetermined people actuallyget hurt doing this stuff, right
, they are, they're being veryathletic.
Some guys you know the famous,you know mankind going off the
sell through the Undertaker 98,where he like fell 30 feet or
whatever Like Dude, ruptured hiskidney when he did that, like
it.
You don't just like land onpads and walk out.
(35:39):
You know you're doing this 200nights a year, falling on your
back 12 times a night, right,these guys have like, like, if
you, if you want to homeworksilent, go look at Hulk Hogan
spine.
It looks like the letter S,like it's so, because he his big
move was the leg drop, where hejust fell on his butt.
You know, once a night, 200nights a year for 20 years,
right, but the good news here,john, is in the way that
(36:02):
injuries happen in the WWF, wb.
They can happen in the NFL,unexpectedly, right, so we can
also do that.
So if we see an injury that seesan ending injury that we didn't
expect happens in WWF all thetime, so what do you do?
You scramble to rewrite thestory, and I think we should.
We should get the the abilityto do that.
So Joe Burrow goes down with anACL injury.
(36:24):
You know it may not be horriblenews for the dolphins, but it
may be the ones that can liketake that place of of the baby
face that just unfortunately gotinjured even though it was his
year.
There's so many stories of that.
William Regal, supposed to beWWE champion and then the night
before like he got caught onlike drugs.
(36:44):
They didn't let him win thematch tonight next night, so he
wasn't WWE, got suspended forsix months.
So these things can happen andwe are going to have the ability
throughout the year to changecourse as unexpected things
happen.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Okay, I'm with that.
Well, and if you want to talkstorylines, the Miami Dolphins
year three of 1972 perfectseason, year three of the new
head coach is the year they didit and this is Mike Pantanal's
year three.
So we're expecting, anyway,just big things from the
dolphins this year because MikePantanal's is the third year of
(37:18):
his new system.
He's absolutely brilliant inplay design and if we're talking
storylines, you don't get abetter storyline than the guy
who basically came in as thesavior of the franchise, just
like how it happened in 1972.
I mean, this beautiful mirrorof the dolphins perfect season.
And.
But I think you have a pointthere is.
(37:39):
The perfect season thing is Idon't think you're going to have
one.
You may have one at some point,but it probably won't be
anytime soon because, you'reright, it paints too too hard of
a target on one team to beabsolutely incredible all the
time, which doesn't make greatparody, and the NFL is all about
parody.
(37:59):
I mean the focus on parody inthe NFL is palpable, down to how
they do the draft and the tradedeadlines and teller cap and
all that stuff.
So it's going to be reallyinteresting.
So the next time we talk wewill have assigned 32 wrestlers
to 32 teams.
We'll have kind of a basicoutline of how we would write
(38:22):
this script.
Put our WWE season writers haton and say, ok, this is how we
would write this season.
We'll talk through that andthen next football season we'll
have a few more episodes on itas we kind of prove the concept
where we are actually recordingand betting in a way that would
line up with the WWE.
(38:43):
Assuming this, our hypothesis,is correct until proven
otherwise.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah we're going to make.
This isn't betting advice, it'snot gambling advice, it's
definitely not free money, butit's a great experience and
hopefully, you know what I wouldhope is other people do it as
well.
Say, well, actually, if it wasme, I would make you know the
Niners, be that team who cameback from quarterback or
whatever.
So you know, the cool thingabout storylines is there's an
(39:08):
infinite number of them.
We're just going to pick onethat sounds good to us,
something else sounds good toyou.
Go, do that, chase it down, seeif it works, and if it does,
congratulations.
And if it doesn't, we told younot to do it, right?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I view it kind of similar to if it works right, we
don't know if it's going towork, we don't know if it's not
going to work.
I'm leaning towards it'sprobably not going to work, but
it's our working hypothesis, sowe're going to try it.
But I would align it to kind ofthe people who are out there
that buy stocks like NancyPelosi trends right, there's no
(39:43):
guarantee that's going to makeyou money, but if it works, it
works.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think it's going to beexciting.
You know, I've got a fewwrestlers in mind I want to
assign to teams.
You've given me some greatratings.
We're going to come in here,we're going to have John Cena's
of the world, we're going tohave the Rocks of the world.
But we're also going to go downdownstream, right, Because,
like you know, we don't want theCardinals to be a great design
with a great wrestler, we don'twant the Cardinals to be Hulk
Hogan, we don't want the Rams tobe Andre the Giant.
(40:10):
So it's fun for me because wegot to go down downstream and
find the goon thers of the world, or the doink, the clowns of
the world that just you knowthey're good, they're there, but
there, you know, there's nochance that they win the Super
Bowl, right?
There's no chance that theyeven make playoffs.
They're just there to makeother teams look good.
So we get to identify thoseguys and go oh well, how do we
do this?
Right?
So I'm excited.
Maybe next time we write a fewstorylines out, we assign some
(40:33):
wrestlers and then we, you know,see how it goes in my perfect
world.
You know, the community, thecommissioner, is like sleeping
with you know, Taylor Swift orsomething like this is what I
want to have happen.
It won't be, but you know thisis how wild we could get with
WWE stuff.
I'm going to rein it in alittle bit, but I look forward
to a good year.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
The only opinion I'll have is making sure.
The Dallas Cowboys are arguablythe most hateable human that
you can find.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Well, actually, it's really interesting before we go.
That's a very good point,though, right?
When was the last time theyreally like, made a playoff run
like 93?
Yeah, I think it was 92, 93.
So like, even like, but theyhad this perception of being
good.
Every year is the Cowboys yearright?
So the Cowboys are a greatexample for a wrestler I was
(41:20):
talking about, or thinking about, because it's like they may not
win it, but they make like.
If you beat the Cowboys, that'sone thing.
Like, you know you're theVikings, you know you beat the
Cowboys.
What are they saying at the endof the season?
Well, they beat the Cowboys.
You know, even though theCowboys have like an 0 and 12
record, they're like well, theybeat the Cowboys.
So it means something to beatthe Cowboys, for whatever reason
(41:40):
.
So I'm really excited to haveteams like that there.
That may not be as like thatchoke every year Sorry, cowboys
fans, but they choke every yearbut it means something to beat
them and that is the weirdlyenough.
That's the foundation ofwrestling, right?
You can look at people who youperceive is really good and you
can look at something like agood guy and go well, they beat
(42:00):
them.
So that must mean they are good, right?
They're giving that, thatCowboys are giving that shine to
the good guys.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Well, on that note, we're going to end it for today.
Thank you so much for joiningus, and we will be back with
some personalities and someanalysis on our next show
together.
I want you to imagine a world where the outcome of
every sports game, everybreathtaking match, every
thrilling championship bout ispredetermined.
And if you're not a sports fan,stay with me, because this is a
mental pretzel that we're goingto get ourselves into.
That's not about sports.
(00:21):
It's about scripting.
It's about the idea that ascenario is predetermined.
It's not about the athlete'sskill or strategy or the
unpredictability that makessports so captivating to us.
Instead, it's about control.
It's about scripts writtenbehind closed doors.
(00:45):
It's about the victors and thevanquished.
It's about being able topredetermine that outcome.
And in sports, our joy comesfrom witnessing human endeavor,
unpredictability, competitionand the unity that it brings
(01:06):
amongst fans.
Similar to a marketplace.
That would be almost purecapitalism, where there's
genuine choice.
That's what we expect out ofsports, and if you've listened
to the radio or Barstool sportsor any of those things, you may
have heard people say well, thescript is leaked, the NFL is
scripted and it's a joke that'sprevailed through the league.
(01:30):
But if there's a chance thatthat's true, if there's a chance
that there's, big corporationshave found these billion dollar
enterprises in college football,the NFL, major sports across
the landscape and used some ofthe philosophies that have been
popularized in things like theWWE slash, wwf.
(01:53):
What if the script was leaked?
What if the control andpredictability made it a product
that was so dynamic and so wideand watchable?
And there were storylines, andso that's what we're going to
unpack today is if that's true?
(02:14):
If that's the case, should wedemand inconsistency?
Should we demand the abilityfor the marketplace to decide
itself?
And part of what makesinnovators and part of what
makes coming up with innovativeideas what they are, is being
able to step back and take alook and say, hey, let's think
(02:35):
of something in a slightlydifferent way, and that's one of
the things that we're going totry and practice.
So today, what we're going to dois something a little bit
different.
We're going to make anassumption that this idea of the
NFL script, the scripting ofthe NFL season we're going to
assume it's true and we're goingto say what would they do?
(02:58):
How would they approach this?
And we're going to make theassumption that the WWE, wwf
have lent their script writersto the NFL to create parody.
We've already got a productthat we know fans will watch and
fans will enjoy, so we aregoing to dive in today.
If we were those people?
What would we do?
(03:18):
And I'm joined today by Chrisand we're going to talk a little
bit about.
Let's assume, let's make someassumptions here, that there is
a predetermined nature tosporting events similar to the
corporate world.
So if we're making thoseassumptions, let's create a
hypothetical into how we couldsee that, how it would be
(03:40):
visualized, and then go fromthere into if you were a
corporation and you were goingto make some predetermined
outcomes to popular sports.
A big part of what we do asinnovative thinkers is assume
that the answer is probablysimpler than people think.
Anytime I've been in bigcorporate meetings or big
(04:04):
decision meetings.
A lot of times you'rereferencing something else that
you see, and so there may besome examples where
predetermined outcomes haveworked.
So let's assume the NFL has setup not every single game, but
some of these big storylinedefining games are predetermined
(04:25):
.
They've started to take thosethings into account.
So if that's the case 2021, whenthe NFL opened the door to
gambling and start allowingsports gambling if you had a
five year plan saying we'regoing to open our doors to
gambling four to five yearsbefore, you may start changing
(04:46):
some rules.
And so if you look back to 2017,2017 was the year where the NFL
started saying okay, a receivercan be a defensive defenseless
player, so if you hit a receiverin open field while they're in
the process of catching the ball, that you can get a 15 yard
penalty and or be ejected,depending on how hard the hit
was.
They enacted additional rulesfor low hits against the
(05:09):
quarterback.
They enacted additional rulesfor contact downfield from
between receivers and defendersand you started hearing a lot of
NFL defensive playerscomplaining about these rules
and how almost impossible it isto stop an offensive play.
So if we're saying that 2017we're making these decisions
2021, we're now opening the doorto gambling and to the
(05:35):
possibility that 2021 is theintroduction of this
predetermined outcome to games.
2017 would be the year after wemade our decision for our five
year plan to move forward.
So not saying that's the case,I'm just saying it happens to be
convenient.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And, chris, I think you were talking about you had
some other examples in thebaseball world as well, yeah,
there's examples kind ofeverywhere where people put on
their tin foil hats and they say, man, I've got this conspiracy
theory in baseball.
The conspiracy theory is thatwhen big pitchers come up for
free agency, you juice the ball,so there's more home runs the
(06:14):
year before the season before abig pitcher comes up on free
agency.
Same with hitters.
So if a bunch of hitters likeAaron Judge are coming up on
free agencies, you deaden theball, so there are less home
runs.
And you know, you're AaronJudge who used to hit.
I think he just hit 60 oneseason.
Recently he's now hitting 45and he's grounding into double
plays.
Same with pitchers.
You know they used to have a,you know, sub two ERA and now
(06:36):
the ERA is pushing forwardbecause the balls are juiced and
they're giving up more homeruns.
I think there's, you know, someother examples too.
You know, last night, orwhenever you listen to, this UK
just lost in the SEC tournamentto Texas A&M and they just, you
know, came out and they're likewell, the SEC makes a million
dollars for every game and SECteam wins in the NCAA tournament
(06:58):
.
So it's financially good forKentucky to lose because the SEC
gets another team in MarchMadness.
So you're seeing a million moredollars go to the SEC now
because you've made a favoritelose.
So there's examples and I thinkif you're a fan of any sport
where you can look at it and goI don't know, I don't want to
say it's predetermined, butthere's a pretty good business
(07:19):
case if it is.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, and I know, as fans, obviously, you know, for
me and the Miami Dolphins thereare times where I say, oh man,
you know Dolphins were thisclose to winning.
But in the case of last year,two a tongue of ILO was injured,
so you had Skyler Thompsonstarting in a playoff game and
two had no intentions comingback before, before any
(07:40):
predetermined amount of time,and so the Dolphins were, I mean
, within a play of beating theBills in that, in that playoff
game.
And as a Dolphins fan, you lookat that and you say, holy cow,
our team is awesome.
And then you start looking atthe pass interferences that
weren't called and that kind ofstuff.
So as a fan it is easy to sayit was definitely the refs or
that was.
You know that game was, quoteunquote, fixed right, and you
(08:03):
get frustrated with with theprocess.
But what if you're right?
Right, and again, I'm notsaying that.
I think that every sports, youknow, every sports game is
predetermined.
We're talking just about thepotential of those historic
storyline setting games right,the games that get Patrick
(08:23):
Mahomes in the Super Bowlagainst Brock Hardy, those type
of games where Taylor Swift isable to attend the Super Bowl,
those are the games we'retalking about, where the things
that define those and I remembertoward the end of the season
there were there were some statsabout there hadn't been a
single holding call against thechiefs for so many quarters
(08:44):
leading up to the Super Bowl,and data like that.
And so let's put on our tinfoilhats for a second, let's put on
our corporate ties and let's say, hey, we're going to
predetermine some games tomaximize revenue.
And what better place to lookand to assess those things than
(09:05):
the WWE, wwf, professionalwrestling a world in which you
already have predeterminedoutcomes and you already have
storylines and pieces and partsof that entire franchise are
built around really, really goodstories that get fans really,
really dialed in, and it'sproven that, even knowing that
(09:27):
it's predetermined outcomes andit's, it's kind of like a soap
opera.
We already know it's anathletic show more than it is
two people actually trying tosee who can best each other, but
we're so dialed in as fans.
So, chris, I know you have alot of knowledge on the WWE.
Can you give us a quick rundownof how that all works?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, I mean, you know I don't want to say I'm a
huge fan, but I am a fan.
I've been watching it forever.
It's kind of what you do ifyou're from Kentucky is on
Monday night.
You turn on Monday night Rawand see what's up.
But at its core, wrestling isnothing more than a soap opera
or a movie that you go see.
Right, people will go Well, howdo you watch it?
Because it's, it's fake and youknow, generally speaking, you
can look at that person and go,hey man, did you see Avengers
(10:09):
Endgame?
And they go Absolutely greatestmovie all time.
You go hey man, that was alsofake and predetermined, but you
enjoyed it, right?
So the WWE is is all abouttaking you on a story.
So we're going to look for afew things when we think about
the NFL in relation to the WWE.
You're absolutely right, john,we're going to look for big
storyline.
So what is the overarchingstories of the year?
(10:33):
A good one last year can TaylorSwift go to the Super Bowl?
If Taylor Swift goes to theSuper Bowl, there is a dollar
sign attached to that.
I don't know how much it is,but if she's in the stands, more
people.
I think it was like the mostwatched Super Bowl of all time,
if I'm not mistaken, right.
And then you, you also have.
You want good games.
You want every game to matter.
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Now, I know, at the end of theseason some games don't matter,
but we want to minimize how manygames don't matter.
We don't want, you know, thetwo worst teams in the league.
We don't want two teams likethe Cardinals and the Rams going
at it in week 16.
If it doesn't matter at all, wewant as many teams to have
playoff hopes as absolutelypossible throughout the season
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and we want to try to find somereason to either root for or
root against everyone.
At its core, wrestling isliterally a good guy in a white
hat versus the bad guy in theblack hat.
And can the good guy overcomethe bad guy?
So you, the bad, the bad guywill generally have some
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advantage, be it like otherpeople in the corner when
they're in wrestling, or theref's back is turned so they can
hit a legal move or whatever.
So can the good guy overcomeand come out on top ultimately
at the Super Bowl.
So again, everyone.
The golden rule of wrestling iseveryone goes home happy, so
can we send as many people homehappy as possible with writing
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the best storylines and tellingthe best story we can.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
It's interesting because you think of the WWE and
what you're saying, as far aseveryone goes home happy.
And the NFL just started doingflex games where they'll move a
Sunday to a Thursday.
And some of that is just tomake Amazon happy, right, you
need Amazon just paid a fortunefor Thursday Night Football.
You've got to make sure there'sa good game on.
(12:26):
So the NFL started doing thisflex option where there's I
think it's 12 games a year.
They can flex, where they canmove that game from a Monday to
a Sunday or from Sundayafternoon to Sunday night and
they can pick and choose whatgames they want to put into what
holes.
And a lot of the Jets last yearwere supposed to be in
primetime games because of AaronRodgers joining the team and
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they moved a lot of those gamesout once they got hurt.
When you think of things likeand if you've been in and around
Barstool sports, you even kindof watched the NFL you've
probably heard oh, the scriptwas leaked.
And there's people that aresaying oh, the colors of the
Super Bowl logo, down to thatlevel that's announced like
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halfway through the season, thelast so many years the logo
colors have happened to be theteams that are playing in the
Super Bowl and this year theyactually changed the Super Bowl
logo colors about six weeksbefore the season ended and
everyone kind of looks at thatand says that's the sign.
I want to do an experiment.
I want to open a little bit ofa can of worms here and run an
(13:32):
experiment where you and I, nextNFL season, we do a gambling
test of our hypothesis.
Let's talk about if we were totake 32 NFL teams and assign
them WOWE alter egos, whetherpast or present.
I'll leave that up to you andsay, okay, if these two people
(13:53):
were facing off, how would thatgo?
I think, if we take those alteregos and we assign them to 32
NFL teams, do you think we canget any kind of success out of
that model?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Absolutely.
I think it's pretty funny.
We can probably do that.
So we can try, definitely,right?
So the quick answer is yes, wecan absolutely try it and see if
it works.
And there's things that we haveto think about, right.
So we're going to assign themall WWF personas is what I'll
call them and see what happenshere.
So we're going to assign someteams kind of at the bottom of
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the barrel.
For example, maybe the Bearswill be a wrestler you know and
probably ever heard of, like aHarvey Whimpleman.
His only job is to be a 150pound dude who walks out and
gets destroyed by your Andre theGiants.
Right, because his job is tomake Andre look unbeatable.
So say and I don't know whowe're going to assign to who yet
(14:50):
but say the Chiefs play theBears, right?
Well, if I'm scripting that, Iwant the Chiefs to win by 50.
I want the Chiefs to look justabsolutely just bulletproof, but
also kind of in the background,we're going to be doing
something else, right, likewe're going to also understand
(15:11):
that we don't want people to dothings like go undefeated,
because if someone goesundefeated every year, it's not
fun.
If someone sets records everyyear, it's not fun.
And if someone sets a record,we want it to be attainable.
One thing that you may not knowabout wrestling is the guy who
holds the record for most daysis WWF champion, is a guy named
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Bruto San Martino from like the50s, and his record is like
almost 5000 days, if not more.
I think it's somewhere like the4800 day range.
I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but theproblem with that record is the
way the world works.
Now the current guy has had itfor like 1000 days and that's
just unheard of.
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So there's no way he is goingto break the Bruto San Martino
record.
So when we think about recordsand personas, we also don't want
to think about like well, whatif Patrick Mahomes throws for
20,000 yards this year?
That would get everyone ontheir feet.
It might.
It would be unbelievable.
But if you're the NFL, youactually don't want that because
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you can't have that ever again,right?
So things need to be in decentparity.
We want you know we don't wantblowouts between two juggernauts
.
We do want them to be closejust in case they meet back up
again in the NFC championship orthe Super Bowl game.
We're going to have some pretty.
We're going to have some funhere and at its core, if we just
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the way I'm doing this is I'mkind of taking offline chats
with you some ratings fromMadden and I'm going OK, here's
the good teams, here's the badteams, you know, pulling the
sheet back a little bit, pullingthe curtain back a little bit.
You know, the good teams areprobably going to beat the bad
teams, right?
You know spoiler alerts.
So I do think we'll be somewhatsuccessful, because if the
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chiefs play the Rams, I'm goingto go.
Well, I'm going to expectchiefs to win, and I would say
nine times out of 10, that'sprobably true, right?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, and well, the thing that we want to think
about is we're going to assumebecause it is professional
sports and there is no way ofreally controlling everything
we're going to assume that it'sjust the marquee matchups.
Because, as you were talking,I'm thinking back to seasons
past.
Right, so you've got this.
Even last year, this seeminglyunbeatable Dolphins team right
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and the narrative and MikeMcDaniel said it several times
if we go to Buffalo and we lose,the narrative will be well,
they can't be good teams.
The Dolphins, I mean absolutely, we hung 70 something points on
the Denver Broncos and then wego and we lose to the Ravens we
lose to which the year beforehad been a wild come from behind
, absolute victory.
So I think there is some, somenatural parody in the NFL.
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I want to focus heavily on thebig marquee games because when I
think back to seasons past, italways seems to be that
quarterback that is on track tothrow for the most yards in NFL
history or whatever in a season.
It's always that guy last year,Tyra Kill, on track for 2000
yards.
It's always that team thatsomehow manages to like, I mean
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absolutely, just beat the doorsoff of everyone and then somehow
gets hard slowdowns toward theend of the year.
The reason I want to focus onmarquee games is because there's
a lot that you can do in those.
So if I'm the corporate, youknow, faceless corporation
that's trying to predeterminesome of these games, I can't.
(18:35):
I know I can't touch everythingright, Because fans are, you
know, it's short for fanatic,they're paying attention,
they're micromanaging everylittle thing.
I mean, after any major lossyou've got fans breaking down.
You know on Reddit the exactway that this, this breath, has
called pass interference allyear long, and this game was
(18:56):
different.
And if you're the NFL and youhave to kind of protect your
image to a degree, because theNFL is all about the shield,
right, Protect the shield, butmake sure that everyone sees
this perfect face of the NFL,we're trying to do everything
right.
If you see a one-off game, youcan just go eh, things happen.
Sorry, If there's patterns andit's obvious, then it makes it a
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lot harder to defend.
So I think it's the marqueematchups that we look for.
Let's take an idea, Okay, sowhat defines a good guy and a
bad guy in the WWE?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah.
So the good guy is always goingto be chasing right.
So there's a couple of thingsthat define a good guy.
A good guy obviously hasintegrity, right.
They're not going to break therules.
They're going to come out.
Obviously, the people run acheer form.
They make it easy to cheer forthem.
There's some story there.
So you know, maybe you knowthey're from a certain town or
they grew up in, you know, ruralMontana.
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Now they're chasing their dreambeing the WWF superstar.
Right now it's Cody Rhodes, isthe big baby face.
So he's the big good guy rightnow.
He's, you know, the son of DustyRhodes, who never got the WWF
championship.
He had all the otherchampionships in the 60s when he
was fighting.
He had the NWA championship buthe never got the WWF
(20:08):
championship.
And now his son, cody Rhodes,came into the WWF, probably 10
years ago now and just bouncedaround in the low tier of the
WWF.
So he actually quit the WWF,went and started his own
wrestling organization, which isactually still going AEW.
Became headliner of AEW,obviously started.
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It.
Comes back, you know, becomesfree agent, doesn't want to keep
doing that thing.
Comes back to the WWF, wwb, andnow he's challenging for the
belt he's challenging for thebelt that his dad never had.
And who's he got to beat forthe belt?
A guy named Roman Reigns.
Roman Reigns is the bad guywho's had the belt for a
thousand days and no one canbeat him.
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And when you get close tobeating him, the thing that
makes him the bad guy is one ofhis posse, like he has a couple
of his cousins hang out with himand they're always at ringside.
And when he gets close tolosing, oh, one of his cousins
distracts the ref so he doesn'tsee Roman Reigns lose, or
punches the good guy behind theback of the ref to make sure
that Roman Reigns gets the upperhand just to the end, to just
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win.
And then you do it all overagain next month with whoever
the new hot babyface is right.
Yeah, everybody's predictingCody's coming back.
He's gonna win WrestleManiathis year, wrestlemania April
7th, so about a month away.
It's the biggest show, it's asuper bowl of wrestling and
we'll see if Cody Rhodes canbeat Roman Reigns this year in
WrestleMania.
The Rock is in Roman Reigns'corner, so you can already see
(21:35):
they've brought back the Rock.
Who is this legend to be inRoman Reigns' corner to make it
seem like Cody Rhodes has thisunclimable mountain ahead of him
and now, you see, can he win?
So the good guys, people youwanna root for, people who are
gonna abide by the rules, peoplewho don't get those slimy wins
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they don't win because of infootball.
They wouldn't win just becauseof a last second holding call or
a last second PI call.
They come out there and theyjust win.
They are just better.
And if they lose they come backbetter the next week.
Right, your bad guys.
If they win, they're alwaysmaking excuses.
If they win, they could win bycheating.
For example, if there was a badguy really in NFL, they would
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win every game because they gaveup a last second touchdown but
then a flag was thrown and itwas offensive pass interference
or something, so they would winby losing the game, but a last
second call would turn it aroundso that they would win A bad
guy would have the worst fans inthe world throwing stuff at the
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opposing bench during the gameto get their heads out of the
game, things like that.
So that's what we're gonna lookforward to see if they're a
good guy or a face, or a bad guyor a hill.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
First things.
First, you described thePhiladelphia Eagles for a second
.
There, I mean, famously, thereare NFL players who won't bring
their family to Eagles gamesbecause the Eagles fans are just
mean and they're very, verypassionate, they're very, very
pro their team but they're justkind of a mean fan base.
But okay, so let's talk thehero's journey, because when you
(23:15):
say last second passinterference call, I mean that
happens all the time.
So let's use the New OrleansSaints as an example.
So the New Orleans Saints havehad two AFC championship games
that I can remember where theylost the game on like blatant
(23:36):
fouls.
I wanna say it was against theRams, where the defender
absolutely just tackled thereceiver but would have been
blatant offensive passinterference, no call, saints
lose the game.
That happens a fair amount inthe NFL where there's a call or
a no call which would leantowards our thought process.
(23:58):
Right, hypothetically speaking,kansas City Chiefs are a hero,
their Taylor Swift team, theyjust won two back to back.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, so they could be doing.
There's a couple of things thatyou could do with the Kansas
City Chiefs this year if I was aWWF script writer, right?
So we kind of gotta make somedecisions because there's a
writer's room and everybody hasa shelf life.
So you can do one of two thingswith the Kansas City Chiefs.
Can they three Pete?
Because has there been a threePete in NFL history?
John?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
If anyone did, it was Tom Brady, but I don't think
Tom Brady did it.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
So there's never been a three Pete.
So you could have two stories.
One is can they three Pete?
And if Taylor Swift is in thestands, you don't know if they
break up or whatever.
This year, kind of, I'm hopingTravis breaks up with her
because I'm single, you neverknow right.
So maybe if she's still in thestands you wanna see them three
Pete because you know that shebrings eyes and money in a way
(24:49):
that no other team can.
So she's in the stands.
I want them to be the dominantgood guy champion where they
just go through the season andit's like can they three Pete?
And that's the whole story,right?
If you get that payoff.
I don't know, but maybe, yeah,maybe, you do do that payoff.
Maybe they do get engaged afterthe Super Bowl, after Travis
(25:11):
Kelsey catches the final pass.
If you choose not to have thestory, be the three Pete.
Another great story that, likethe Kansas City Chiefs could go
through, is one that builds upother teams, right?
So if you're in the business,you don't want just one guy to
be unbeatable.
You wanna, like bring more andmore teams up.
(25:34):
So you kind of wanna rotatewho's the top good guy in any
given year, right?
So if you're over the Chiefsand you're like I don't want the
Chiefs in the Super Bowlanymore, what you could do is
you could say, okay, what I'mgonna do this year with them is
I'm actually gonna let a lot ofteams beat them so they have
like an eight and eight season.
And by that eight and eightseason, what you've done is
maybe they make a wild card gameso you do get them in the
(25:56):
playoffs.
But now you've made, like, say,the Jaguars beat the Chiefs and
their playoffs contenders.
Now, now you've got eyes on theJaguars, you take the bills.
They beat them.
Now you got eyes on the bills.
It's called like giving otherpeople the shine.
So it's like they're taking allof your fans and all the eyes
(26:16):
that were on you and you showother people that they're a good
team.
Right, like, imagine the billsand the Chiefs are tied, you
know, 14-14.
Going into the fourth quarterand last second drive, the bills
throw a hell of a marrying winthe game.
Because it was over the Chiefs,you had more eyes watching the
bills and now, because of thatmajor play, you have more eyes
(26:36):
going with the bills goingforward.
So that's two ways their journeycould look.
Their journey could either beone of can the three p happen,
and that's the way I'm gonnalook at it, or another heroes
journey could be just can theyreach a goal?
So let's take it, take thechiefs away from it.
Let's look at somebody maybelike I Don't know the Browns,
like they're, they're good guysin our list here.
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They Kind of outside looking inon the playoffs.
Their fans have been throughabsolutely everything, starting
with my boy, tim couch, in thewhat 2000, 2001.
They've had a new quarterbackevery year.
Well, their story is just canthey overcome?
you know can.
Can the Browns Squeak it out?
Can the Browns win by just onepoint over the Ravens?
(27:21):
Can the Browns just figure outa way and find a way to win
against the Vikings?
I Don't know, but that would betheir story, right it's?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
okay, so let's, let's assume it's the 3p, right, is
there value to?
Because obviously in the WWEthese are individual humans.
In an NFL team there's multiplecomponents to the organization.
So for script writers we'regonna say, okay, they can't be
too good, right, so they can'tbe too much of a good guy,
otherwise we can't let them win.
(27:53):
They can't be too much of a badguy or they can be too much of
that guy.
So I think back to Tom Brady.
Most of the middle of TomBrady's career, while he was
winning five of his seven titles, were Bill Belichick Is the
greatest coach of all time andhe's not letting Tom Brady shine
.
It's to flake gate, it's spygate, it's Tom.
(28:14):
You know, perry, trouble inparadise.
Tom Brady and Bill Belichickgonna break up.
And then it's Tom Brady andBill Belichick are breaking up.
Tom Brady's going off the Tampa.
And now it's is Bill Belichickanything at all without Tom
Brady, right?
Those are like the NFL versionsof the LeBron versus Jordan
conversation.
Every single year you wouldhear about it.
And.
And now you've got TravisKelsey Screaming in the face of
(28:38):
his head coach on the sidelineof the Super Bowl and everyone's
like, yeah, it's okay, it'sjust.
You know, let's just Travis bein Travis.
And you've got Jason Kelsey inthe stands, you know, howling
and taking a shirt off it's.
You've got some some villainhood kind of getting developed
right.
You're almost painting JasonKelsey the hero of the Eagles.
(28:59):
You're painting him as the goodguy and Painting his brother is
a bit of a bit of a jerk, right.
So when you think of it in thatterm, are we?
Are we adding some a little bitof villain to our superheroes
here or to our heroes here tomake them kind of turn?
Are we turning them bad?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, yeah you could absolutely do that and that's
actually.
That's a Something that happensI won't say often, but does
happen, you know, semifrequently is I would say, if
you had a champion win three ina row, where it's like man he
like, who can beat this guy?
Well, you don't want that to bea good guy, because the whole
point of a good guy is toovercome something.
So if you're the, if you're thebest of the best and you're the
(29:39):
good guy, well, who'sovercoming that?
Right, like you, another goodguy, like you don't want to good
guys fighting for thechampionship.
You want a good guy and a badguy.
That's what tells the story.
So what do you do?
You take somebody like thechiefs and you make them a bad
guy, right?
So if the chiefs won the thirdone this year, you know.
And then you know Travis Kelseyis seen outside, like you know.
(30:01):
You know flipping birds to thePhiladelphia fans or whatever
that could do.
It matter of fact, one of themost famous things that ever
happened in wrestling was StoneCold, steve Austin and Bret Hart
.
They had a famous match wherethey did what was called a
double turn, and what that meansis Bret Hart was a started the
match as a good guy and StoneCold Steve Austin started the
match as a bad guy and by theend of the match they did it so
(30:24):
well, stone Cold Steve Austin,everybody's rooting for him and
he's the good guy and Bret Hartis the bad guy moving forward.
So you could even havesomething like that where you
know if you really wanted to gocrazy, john and we won't go here
.
But could you imagine like thechiefs are just dominating and
like, you know, middle fingersto everybody and just slowly
turning into this bad guy andthen all of a sudden the Eagles
(30:46):
have an injury and here comesJason Kelsey to, you know,
halfway through the season,suiting back up to see if he can
make one more run.
I Don't know that that, likethe whole country just wouldn't
get behind Jason Kelsey, nomatter if he's on the Eagles or
not, right?
So you took a famously bad teamin the Eagles through, you know
, jason Kelsey strapping thepads on for one more time to
(31:08):
make this comeback, to see if hecan win a super Well over his
brother who is all of a suddennow the bad guy.
That's prime time TV, right, andyou don't want a good guy to,
and also throughout the season.
We don't want the chiefs to goundefeated.
We want them to look like theycan get beat because no one's
gonna watch the Super Bowl.
If it's like I have, the chiefsare going by 70, right, like,
(31:28):
if we believe the chiefs aregoing by 60, 70, we're not even
gonna turn it on or we don'teven stay past half time.
You want it to be a close day.
You know just two Titans goingat it where they.
You know the, you know thespreads like three points.
So to answer your question,sorry, long story long.
Yes, you could absolutely turna good guy into a bad guy If you
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can't find a bad guy for thegood guy to overcome.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So we're gonna start off this journey.
Looking at the landscape of theNFL right now, I've got two
people in mind.
I love actually do love yourEagles.
Take right, because you've gotJason Kelsey's wife who says I
love the Eagles so much I willnot wear another team's colors.
I don't care who's playing orwhere he goes, any of that stuff
(32:13):
, I don't care if his brothersin the Super Bowl, I'm not going
to wear another team's gear,I'm just a diehard Philadelphia
fan instantly and dearing her tothe world of the NFL.
So you've got that storylinealready.
You've got Jason Kelsey, who'sjust this lovable human being.
And and now, as you talk aboutthat, I think of Travis Kelsey
(32:33):
screaming in his coach's face.
I think of before the AFCchampionship.
Think at the game.
I think it was of Travis Kelseyand Patrick Mahomes moving the
the kicker for the the kickerfor the other kicker, for the
Justin Tucker's.
Yeah, I remember that, yeah,throwing his stuff right.
So you've got, you've got somebad guy stuff already, building
(32:54):
a little bit Kind of a littlebit of a bad boy vibe there.
They do trick plays againstteams.
They're gonna smoke.
So let's, let's make anassumption that we're turning
the, the Kansas City Chiefs, bad, which, if I'm understanding
this, this logic correctlybehind the WWE, means they would
have a strong season thisseason coming up.
(33:16):
Yeah, they're gonna look,they're gonna look good, they're
gonna look unbeatable.
And so I, we're gonna startthis off by making two bets way,
way early, way too early,prediction bets.
We're gonna bet thePhiladelphia Eagles to win the
Super Bowl.
I.
And then we're gonna bet theCincinnati Bengals to win the
Super Bowl.
And here's why Joe Burrow issuch a hero, loved by everybody.
(33:42):
All the women think he'sbeautiful.
He plays for the Bengals, whichis kind of like an easy
underdog team, all the potentialin the world, but he just keeps
getting hurt.
And right now they're talkingabout Justin Jefferson possibly
being traded to Cincinnati.
So the whole theme going intothis year, if Justin Jefferson
goes to the Cincinnati Bengals,will be can Joe Burrow stay
(34:04):
healthy, which was the theme oftwo last year.
Can he just stay healthythrough a season?
If yes, they're gonna beincredible.
So they're gonna go out thereand they're gonna have a really,
really good season.
They're gonna meet up with theChiefs midseason.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Oh, he's gotta win that game.
If you're saying Chiefs for thebad, yeah, they're gonna meet
up with midseason Chiefs forgoing by 14.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
If the Chiefs beat the Bengals like that, like, and
Joe Burrow has a horrible game,and then Joe Burrow goes off,
Joe Burrow's gonna have ahorrible game and Jeffries is
gonna get injured and come backlike two or three weeks later.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Perfect perfect so, but then they finish the year
really strong and then they lookreally dominant going into the
Super Bowl.
So we'll make two bets, way tooearly bets.
We'll bet the CincinnatiBengals and separate bet the
Philadelphia Eagles to win theSuper Bowl next year.
Unfortunately for MiamiDolphins.
If we assume this is the case,Miami should have a very good
(35:00):
year this year because they'reheroes, but they're gonna lose
in like tragic fashion in theAFC Championship or something.
They're gonna get beat or whatyou actually well know, because
you'd have to have the Bengalsplaying the Chiefs in the AFC
Championship so they'd have tolose the game before that.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah.
Well, what you have, though,also is like in WWF, while
predetermined people actuallyget hurt doing this stuff, right
, they are, they're being veryathletic.
Some guys you know the famous,you know mankind going off the
sell through the Undertaker 98,where he like fell 30 feet or
whatever Like Dude, ruptured hiskidney when he did that, like
it.
You don't just like land onpads and walk out.
(35:39):
You know you're doing this 200nights a year, falling on your
back 12 times a night, right,these guys have like, like, if
you, if you want to homeworksilent, go look at Hulk Hogan
spine.
It looks like the letter S,like it's so, because he his big
move was the leg drop, where hejust fell on his butt.
You know, once a night, 200nights a year for 20 years,
right, but the good news here,john, is in the way that
(36:02):
injuries happen in the WWF, wb.
They can happen in the NFL,unexpectedly, right, so we can
also do that.
So if we see an injury that seesan ending injury that we didn't
expect happens in WWF all thetime, so what do you do?
You scramble to rewrite thestory, and I think we should.
We should get the the abilityto do that.
So Joe Burrow goes down with anACL injury.
(36:24):
You know it may not be horriblenews for the dolphins, but it
may be the ones that can liketake that place of of the baby
face that just unfortunately gotinjured even though it was his
year.
There's so many stories of that.
William Regal, supposed to beWWE champion and then the night
before like he got caught onlike drugs.
(36:44):
They didn't let him win thematch tonight next night, so he
wasn't WWE, got suspended forsix months.
So these things can happen andwe are going to have the ability
throughout the year to changecourse as unexpected things
happen.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Okay, I'm with that.
Well, and if you want to talkstorylines, the Miami Dolphins
year three of 1972 perfectseason, year three of the new
head coach is the year they didit and this is Mike Pantanal's
year three.
So we're expecting, anyway,just big things from the
dolphins this year because MikePantanal's is the third year of
(37:18):
his new system.
He's absolutely brilliant inplay design and if we're talking
storylines, you don't get abetter storyline than the guy
who basically came in as thesavior of the franchise, just
like how it happened in 1972.
I mean, this beautiful mirrorof the dolphins perfect season.
And.
But I think you have a pointthere is.
(37:39):
The perfect season thing is Idon't think you're going to have
one.
You may have one at some point,but it probably won't be
anytime soon because, you'reright, it paints too too hard of
a target on one team to beabsolutely incredible all the
time, which doesn't make greatparody, and the NFL is all about
parody.
(37:59):
I mean the focus on parody inthe NFL is palpable, down to how
they do the draft and the tradedeadlines and teller cap and
all that stuff.
So it's going to be reallyinteresting.
So the next time we talk wewill have assigned 32 wrestlers
to 32 teams.
We'll have kind of a basicoutline of how we would write
(38:22):
this script.
Put our WWE season writers haton and say, ok, this is how we
would write this season.
We'll talk through that andthen next football season we'll
have a few more episodes on itas we kind of prove the concept
where we are actually recordingand betting in a way that would
line up with the WWE.
(38:43):
Assuming this, our hypothesis,is correct until proven
otherwise.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah we're going to make.
This isn't betting advice, it'snot gambling advice, it's
definitely not free money, butit's a great experience and
hopefully, you know what I wouldhope is other people do it as
well.
Say, well, actually, if it wasme, I would make you know the
Niners, be that team who cameback from quarterback or
whatever.
So you know, the cool thingabout storylines is there's an
(39:08):
infinite number of them.
We're just going to pick onethat sounds good to us,
something else sounds good toyou.
Go, do that, chase it down, seeif it works, and if it does,
congratulations.
And if it doesn't, we told younot to do it, right?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I view it kind of similar to if it works right, we
don't know if it's going towork, we don't know if it's not
going to work.
I'm leaning towards it'sprobably not going to work, but
it's our working hypothesis, sowe're going to try it.
But I would align it to kind ofthe people who are out there
that buy stocks like NancyPelosi trends right, there's no
(39:43):
guarantee that's going to makeyou money, but if it works, it
works.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think it's going to beexciting.
You know, I've got a fewwrestlers in mind I want to
assign to teams.
You've given me some greatratings.
We're going to come in here,we're going to have John Cena's
of the world, we're going tohave the Rocks of the world.
But we're also going to go downdownstream, right, Because,
like you know, we don't want theCardinals to be a great design
with a great wrestler, we don'twant the Cardinals to be Hulk
Hogan, we don't want the Rams tobe Andre the Giant.
(40:10):
So it's fun for me because wegot to go down downstream and
find the goon thers of the world, or the doink, the clowns of
the world that just you knowthey're good, they're there, but
there, you know, there's nochance that they win the Super
Bowl, right?
There's no chance that theyeven make playoffs.
They're just there to makeother teams look good.
So we get to identify thoseguys and go oh well, how do we
do this?
Right?
So I'm excited.
Maybe next time we write a fewstorylines out, we assign some
(40:33):
wrestlers and then we, you know,see how it goes in my perfect
world.
You know, the community, thecommissioner, is like sleeping
with you know, Taylor Swift orsomething like this is what I
want to have happen.
It won't be, but you know thisis how wild we could get with
WWE stuff.
I'm going to rein it in alittle bit, but I look forward
to a good year.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
The only opinion I'll have is making sure.
The Dallas Cowboys are arguablythe most hateable human that
you can find.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Well, actually, it's really interesting before we go.
That's a very good point,though, right?
When was the last time theyreally like, made a playoff run
like 93?
Yeah, I think it was 92, 93.
So like, even like, but theyhad this perception of being
good.
Every year is the Cowboys yearright?
So the Cowboys are a greatexample for a wrestler I was
(41:20):
talking about, or thinking about, because it's like they may not
win it, but they make like.
If you beat the Cowboys, that'sone thing.
Like, you know you're theVikings, you know you beat the
Cowboys.
What are they saying at the endof the season?
Well, they beat the Cowboys.
You know, even though theCowboys have like an 0 and 12
record, they're like well, theybeat the Cowboys.
So it means something to beatthe Cowboys, for whatever reason
(41:40):
.
So I'm really excited to haveteams like that there.
That may not be as like thatchoke every year Sorry, cowboys
fans, but they choke every yearbut it means something to beat
them and that is the weirdlyenough.
That's the foundation ofwrestling, right?
You can look at people who youperceive is really good and you
can look at something like agood guy and go well, they beat
(42:00):
them.
So that must mean they are good, right?
They're giving that, thatCowboys are giving that shine to
the good guys.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Well, on that note, we're going to end it for today.
Thank you so much for joiningus, and we will be back with
some personalities and someanalysis on our next show
together.
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