What do you do when you're expected to be the moral compass and the legal expert - and you’re neither a therapist nor a lawyer?
In this real-talk episode of Inside the C-Suite, Christy sits down with Jocelyn King, the founder and CEO of Virgil HR, who went from overwhelmed HR exec to startup founder by asking a simple but powerful question: Isn’t there a better way?
Together, they unpack the messy middle of leadership - where pressure, purpose, and people all collide.
Tune in to hear:
Why Jocelyn swears by grit, grace, and Google (yes, really)
The communication skill that almost derailed her career - and how she turned it into her superpower
The hidden weight of sitting in the C-suite (and how to carry it without crumbling)
What HR leaders are really facing in a post-COVID, multi-state world
And the moment that made her say: If the tool doesn’t exist... I’ll build it myself
Whether you’re leading a team, building something from scratch, or just trying to keep your head above water - this episode is your reminder that there is always a way forward.
And if you can’t find one?
Make one.
Chapters:
00:01:52 - Why HR keeps saying “I’m not a lawyer”
00:02:22 - What grit and resilience really look like in a startup
00:03:44 - The people who shaped Jocelyn’s leadership
00:05:28 - Building a team you can trust
00:05:42 - Leading through chaos without rituals
00:07:12 - Traits that helped Jocelyn succeed
00:08:01 - Turning communication into a leadership superpower
00:09:15 - Jocelyn’s mantra for overcoming obstacles
00:10:22 - What Jocelyn would tell her younger self
00:11:51 - A startup failure that turned into growth
00:15:01 - The biggest compliance issues HR leaders face
00:17:51 - Why HR carries more weight than people realize
00:18:38 - Where to meet Jocelyn at upcoming events
00:19:14 - Jocelyn’s personal outlets and self-care habits
00:22:08 - What makes Virgil HR different
00:22:54 - What no one tells you about the C-suite
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Learn more about VirgilHR:
https://virgilhr.com/
Follow Jocelyn King:
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jocelynanneking/
(She's the real deal: CEO of VirgilHR, HR Compliance Expert and Technology Innovator, & A Proud Dog Mom)
Meet Jocelyn IRL at Upcoming Conferences:
SHRM Annual Conference - San Diego 2025
HRTech Conference - Las Vegas 2025
Transform (Already attended, but one of her favs!)
HRWest (Already attended, but she may return next year!)
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