August 8, 2023 • 71 mins
Prepare to ignite your creativity and unlock your spiritual intelligence with our special guest, award-winning psychologist and successful entrepreneur, Dr. Robin McKay. In this fascinating exchange, Robin shares her unique insights into how ADHD is a unique gift common among highly creative people. Robyn also helps us understand the often overlooked phenomenon of Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria. For those gifted and coping with ADHD, this is a conversation not to be missed!
Dive into an exploration of the rapidly changing corporate landscape and discover how spiritual entrepreneurs and transformational thought leaders can pave the way for profound change. We examine a different way of working that transcends the traditional obsession with productivity. Learn how embracing intuition can lead to a more significant impact in the corporate matrix and challenge the conventional understanding of 'soft skills' and emotional intelligence.
Finally, we reflect on the immense energy shifts the world has experienced over the past couple of years, and how they have propelled us forward. We discuss the concept of 'being yourself', the power of authenticity, and how having a creative, open personality can be both a blessing and a curse. Experience firsthand how embracing the unknown, like watching a good movie, can turn life into our greatest work of art and discover the spiritual intelligence within.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Your life is your greatest work of art and it all
relates back to thesynchronicity.
Welcome to Integrate Yourself,everybody.
I'm your host, alison Palau,and you can find me at
alisonpalaucom.
You can find my book FinallyThriving there.
(00:40):
That is your first introductionto what I do, what I offer, how
I help my clients and theprocess that I bring my students
through in my Finally Thrivingclass.
So if you're curious about that, pick up a copy of my book.
I also have it available onaudiobook through Audible as
(01:02):
well as any other all the otheraudiobook resources out there.
You can find that as well asanywhere you can find books.
My book is available if youdon't want to go to Amazon.
So I have another class comingup in August August 21st it's
coming.
So the next group it's going tobe amazing.
(01:24):
We're going to tap into ourinner creativity, our inner
wellness, our inner peace All ofthese things.
We're going to bring themtogether to bring true joy and
be able to access that in ourlives, live a heart centered
life where we don't have to bethinking in circles all the time
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and figuring things out.
We can just be and experiencethe joy that is right in front
of us in our lives.
So sometimes we have conflictin our life that really shakes
things up and it brings to ourattention things that we could
be working on within ourselves,and I'm seeing that a lot in
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people lately.
Today happens to be the8-8-Lions Gate Portal.
If you're familiar withastrology, this is an important
day.
It's an important activationday.
So today, get some rest, sitback and receive the messages
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that you're meant to receivetoday, and also just get really
clear today on what you want tocreate, moving forward, not only
what, but how you want to do it, and that's another thing we go
through in the finally thrivingclass is what is your process?
Everybody has a unique creativeprocess, whether you're
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creating your life, whetheryou're creating a project,
whether you are a leader or inthe service industry or a coach
entrepreneur.
All of those things takecreative energy, and the more
we're distracted by our lives ofthinking and trying to figure
things out, then it really takesus off our course of creating
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what we're here to create.
And so, by tapping into yourinner play, you're the love that
you know.
We're learning how to loveourselves through our self-care
practice and our wellnesspractice and our wellness dates,
prioritizing time with yourself, learning how your energy feels
and then creating andcultivating that confidence
(03:37):
within and that calmness withinto really take on whatever life
hands you.
You can do this with grace andease and then that's how we can
experience the true thriving inour lives and get out of that
survival mode.
So that's what I help people do.
We go through a 12-week courseand coaching program where you
have a live coaching sessionwith me every week and you get
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one module every week topractice, to create your daily
wellness practice with.
We go through different thingsthrough.
We start with the mind, then welearn how to connect naturally
to our body and read themessages and listen to the
messages our body tells us, andthen we learn how to tune into
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our spirit.
We create spiritual maturityand spiritual intelligence,
which is something that a lot ofpeople are really curious about
lately and I'm really excitedto share that how you can do
that.
So today's show we do talkabout spiritual intelligence and
we talk about intuition and wetalk about ADHD and it's
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something that is close to myheart because I've experienced
this in my own life.
So because I've experiencedthat, I've created a book and a
program that helps people whoare highly creative, really
direct this energy back intothemselves and then shine the
light for other people.
It's not about us saving otherpeople, it's about us shining
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the light so they can beinspired to do the work
themselves and to show up fullyas themselves too.
So for you to show up fully asyourself is the work.
So that's what we do, and ifyou want to join that program on
August 21st, it starts then.
So if you want to, another weekfor the special waitlist price,
that's discounted and thenafter that it goes back to the
(05:30):
regular price.
So if you want to get in onthat, go ahead and set up a free
call with me by following thelink on the show notes and we
can get you signed up, all right.
So today my guest is Robin, drRobin McKay.
She was an amazing guest and Idid this, recorded this podcast
with her back in the winter time.
(05:52):
So this is why, if you'relooking at the YouTube video,
I'm wearing a sweater and we'retalking about snow and the cold
and stuff.
So sometimes with these shows,I titrate them out to come out
at a certain time Just when,from my experience when I
intuitively know that it's theright time for people to hear
these messages.
And this is the right timebecause, like I said, we are in
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a very big activation dayenergetically, and this is the
time for you to create thatcourage, find that courage
within yourself to really stepout of what you've learned, what
you've been programmed to do,and start to honor yourself.
This is the time.
So today we talk about thegifts that we can find in ADHD
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and how that's related to highlycreative people, which I
thought was so interesting.
In this episode.
Robin shares also how she helpspeople in the corporate sector
who are undercover light workersand are doing this work but not
, maybe not, know it.
And we talk about how to getout of the spiritual closet and
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back into spiritual maturity andbecome in a line.
That's really how you becomealigned with yourself, when you
take in all aspects of your lifeand then you, you discover who
you truly are, the truth of that.
We talk about that today aswell, and you know the well, the
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, the well adjusted life likewe're so well adjusted, we're
taking all this energy.
It takes all this energy justto show up at has someone we
think people want us to be, andthat's that perfection mode,
that's that trying to fit inmode and we we address that
today and how that can reallystifle you from expanding out to
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where you really want to be inyour life and creating the
abundance you want in your lifeas well, becoming a leader as
well.
How that really blocks you fromdoing these things when we're
not showing up fully as ourselfRight.
So we talk about all thesethings.
This was a super, super greatshow and Robin was such an
(08:02):
incredible guest and I reallyconnected with her in this
episode and I'm actually I'veactually signed up to do a
consultation with her as well,cause I feel like her work is
really important.
So if you want to sign up withRobin and do a consultation the
link is in the show notes aswell you can set up a call with
her and check out her work andfollow her too.
(08:23):
So, without further ado, it ismy honor and my pleasure to
introduce you to Dr Robin McKay.
What's going on, dr Vampira?
(08:56):
Thank you so much.
Today I'm here with a veryspecial guest, robin McKay.
She's an award-winningpsychologist, multi-six figure
entrepreneur and an executivecoach on top leaders in Fortune
500 companies and entertainment.
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Dr McKay is also a leadingexpert in the new field of
spiritual intelligence.
She brings bridges betweenreason and intuition, science
and spirit and her clients'heads and hearts.
In her life outside the office,robin loves hiking on the
desert trails near her home inScottsdale, arizona, and
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climbing the red rocks of Sedona.
Sounds like fun.
Thank you so much, robin, forcoming on.
I'm so excited to talk to youtoday.
We're going to talk about somereally fun and interesting
topics.
Before we get started, if you'dlike to share anything about
what led you to this workbecause it's very interesting,
as we'll talk about today and tobringing this field of
(10:03):
psychology more into a spiritualexperience with your clients.
What got you here?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Sure, that's such a great question and thanks for
asking me.
I will not be hiking today onthe trails near my house because
it's not as cold as where youare, but it is a bit chilly down
here.
We'll be staying tucked intoday.
Sounds good.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I'm a.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
STEM girl.
I'm a STEM girl from way backin the day.
I got my first microscope whenI was 10.
As only a 10-year-old girl canbe, I was immensely disappointed
with the light source.
It was a mirror and I just wasdisgusted by that.
I was really quite insultedthat that was the best that they
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could come up with.
Not withstanding that it wasthe early 80s.
I was a child raised by parentswho were teachers Okay, so
there are so many things thatwere sideways with that.
But eventually I did go on tomajor in biology and I worked in
a biosafety level laboratorybiosafety level three laboratory
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for a couple of years early inmy career I was working with
microorganisms and I did get towork with high-powered
microscopes.
That met that need of my10-year-old self, who I suspect
could see into the future evenback then.
In addition to being a STEM girl, I've also been a clear channel
and intuitive since I was well,I just came in that way.
(11:32):
I'll just say, for example,when I was five I knew that I
was going to be a doctor andwrite books and I just would
know things without reallyknowing why I knew them.
I would know when I was havinga pop quiz and math class, I had
an essay completely downloadinto my brain as I was walking
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from my study hall into theprincipal's office to write an
essay for a scholarship, andthat's just kind of how I lived
my life.
My family is intuitive as well.
We didn't have any language forit, though.
When I was growing up we justcould kind of read each other's
thoughts.
We could have entireconversations just
telepathically, and no one wouldthink anything of it.
(12:15):
We would just, all of a sudden,one of us would blurt out well,
what about that guy?
And everyone in the room wouldknow what we were talking about.
So I had all of these earlyexperiences with my intuition
just as a native part of who Iwas, but it wasn't until I was
probably 28.
I had my quarter-life crisiswhen I looked around my life.
I was married to my collegesweetheart.
(12:36):
We were living in Kansas City.
I had a good life.
I was working in biotech at thetime, but I really had this
kind of come-to-Jesus momentwith myself where I was like I
don't think that this is whereI'm supposed to be.
I wasn't in grad school, Iwasn't getting my PhD yet.
It was just one of thoseexistential moments where I was
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like I think I'm living somebodyelse's life because this isn't
what I had seen when I was a kid.
So that moment put me on thistrajectory of leaving my college
sweetheart, getting divorced,going back to school, getting my
PhD in psychology andsimultaneously doing a
seven-year apprenticeship inspiritual intelligence and
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intuition.
So I remember I said I was aSTEM girl, why I became a social
scientist.
Psychology was actually thearea that I could really sink my
teeth into when it came todoing research and to kind of
put a big bow on everything.
A lot of the work that I dotoday still, we can find the
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roots in it, in who I am, how Igrew up, how I came into this
world, but also all of the workthat I did in my graduate
studies as well, around giftedand talented girls and women,
around the psychology ofcreativity, intelligence and
leadership.
I still use those tools andpractices, and even the lens
(14:03):
through which I work with myclients is really founded in my
graduate studies.
And, of course, the ADHD linkas well.
So I know you want to go intothat.
Maybe I'll just take a pausethere and see what comes up,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yes, are you still there?
Hold on a second, robin.
Ah, shit, are you still there?
Okay, you posed for a second.
All right, I was, it's my end,definitely for that one.
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So, yes, definitely want to getan ADHD, because I feel like,
like, as I was telling you inthe very beginning, I've
definitely experienced that inmy life, being a high performer,
as a gymnast and you know,someone that I was interviewing
not too long ago brought this tomy attention because she was a
gymnast too, and she said, yeah,we can focus on things.
(15:03):
We were taught to focus onthings for a brief moment, very
intensely, and then we're on tothe next thing, and so it's kind
of hard to it's always beenhard for me to stay consistent
with one thing throughout mylife.
I always like to do differentthings, you know, and I guess
that's where the creativitycomes in.
But I think that's where thecreativity comes in.
And I think that's where thecreativity comes in, but it's
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it's good to know that otherpeople are experiencing that too
, cause I used to beat myself upa whole bunch about it before
when I was younger, thinking, ohmy gosh, I can't get organized.
I, I, you know, I could barelyyou know, keep it together.
What's wrong with me?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Why can't I?
Why?
Why are other kids able to dothis and I'm not?
Yeah, that is kind of thehallmark of the gifted ADHD Girl
in particular.
You know, I'm Gen X and eventhe millennials, I think, would
say that they experienced thistoo.
A lot of us, as children, wereoverlooked.
(16:01):
I wasn't diagnosed with ADHDuntil I was in graduate school
and I was the one who initiatedthat diagnosis, because I was in
my internship and I wasassessing students who had ADHD
and I started looking at thecriteria and I was like, wait a
minute, that's me.
And then I took a quiz on WebMDand that was like.
(16:23):
Then it was like, okay, I needto go, go get a formal
assessment for this, and so that, to me, was a turning point.
Not everybody likes to identifyas having that diagnosis, but
for me it explained so much ofhow I operated and how I
functioned in the world up untilthat point.
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I was a high performer too.
I ran track in college and Icould do all of these things
really well, but then I wouldlet things drop off and I would
forget about things and mycalendar was a mess, and you
know, and people would labelthat as she's careless, she's
messy and I have an emotionalregulation piece of that too.
(17:08):
So I used to be a golfer inhigh school.
I golfed on the high schoolgolf team and I was a pretty
good golfer.
But even that wasn't an unevenperformance, because when I
would get into a high-stakessituation my brain would
literally freeze up and I wouldget, I would totally lose all of
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my focus and you know, then mygame would go to the pot and you
know the rest of the street.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I've experienced that many times in my life.
Like it's so weird.
I see things that you know, youknow, but you freeze up and you
just you can't think of what todo.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
You know, it's so weird, so just even if you think
about, like for you as agymnast, if you're on the beam
and you get distracted and thenyou fall, or how do you bounce
back from the fall.
I know that in gymnasticsthere's so much mental and
psychological work that goesinto the focus for that, but
that even that's a lot of effortand energy that somebody a girl
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with ADHD has to put forth inorder to focus.
But one of the gifts is we canhyper focus.
Yes, as you know as well.
Right, wait, did you knowsomething else I want to share
this with you.
What's that?
Well, when I startedresearching ADHD, I was
simultaneously looking at thecreative personality.
And there's this woman who wasmy graduate school advisor's
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peer.
Like her colleague, bonnieCramon, she was at the
University of Georgia and backin the mid 90s, I think, she
published up an articlecomparing the diagnostic
criteria for ADHD and thecharacteristics of the creative
personality.
And do you want to knowsomething?
They're the same.
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They're the same.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Wow Really, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So, depending on which lens you're looking
through, am I looking at this aswhat's the problem or am I
looking at what are thestrengths?
If you're looking at one or theother, you're missing a part of
the puzzle that I think isreally important, especially for
high performers, which is it'sa both and and.
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What I came to realize withthat is that, as when I was
practicing and as a psychologistworking with with high
performers, with gifted kids andthe middle school level and up
to the college level, whensomebody would come in and say I
want an evaluation for ADHD, Iwould also say yes, and we're
also going to give an assessmentfor creativity, because chances
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are quite good that we're goingto see both.
I wanted to have the holisticpicture.
Too much of the time in thisworld we pathologize and we make
ourselves wrong for how ourbrains work, when in fact there
are some gifts in that that alot of people, a lot of
neurotypical people, don't haveaccess to that we do.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Wow, that's amazing, that's amazing and it actually
makes it.
It's very cool to know, becauseit's like, wow, okay, because
when you grow up like that andthe reason I was put in
gymnastics was partly because Ihad ADHD there wasn't medication
back then, thank goodness, butgymnastics was a way of helping
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me also.
You know focus, but, yes, ittook an intense amount of energy
to do so, but it's also.
It is also really good to knowthat, you know, because most of
my life I thought my pro, myprocess was wrong or how I did
things was wrong.
I must like learn how to dothis, especially as an
entrepreneur.
You know, you hear all theseother people doing these things
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like it seems so easy, butyou're like I can't do this.
You know this is not.
This is not the way I work.
This is not a process.
So I had to learn throughoutthe years what my process was
and then honor that and then I.
That's what I've been able todo, and I think it's important
because not everybody's going tohave the same process and
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oftentimes they don't.
But it's good to know thatthere is some, some level of
higher creativity within all ofthis.
It makes it does make me feelgood, because it makes me think
okay, well, there is a.
There is a purpose for all ofthis, you know, and I find that
I have much better productivitywhen I have support like people
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helping me and and providing alittle bit of structure for me
to follow through with thingsyou know that are creative, that
I want to create like this.
You saw me playing the ukulele.
I was, you know, talking abouta practice that I do at home
called vocal toning, and this ispartly how that I've got an
album coming out this Friday.
So this is how that all cameout right.
(21:50):
So, but I had to have somepeople in there helping me
structure it.
I had all the ideas to creativeenergy to make it happen, but
as far as the structure goes, Ineed help with that.
So that's kind of that's anexample of how I work and and
how I work Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So I think it's a collaboration you know it is,
and unfortunately, when we'reyoung.
So look at let's look at theintersection of being gifted,
and what I mean by being giftedis very it's very clear, just on
an intellectual level beingable to figure things out
quickly, make sense of thingsand know what to do about them.
The people who find their wayto me often were identified as
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gifted and talented as kids kidsor elevated into advanced
classes, skipped grades.
Before there was.
In my day we didn't have gateprograms.
We had I got advanced readingclasses and things like that.
But when we have that level ofintellectual processing speed
available to us and we have anunderlying neurodiversity like
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ADHD, one of the things thatbright girls will do is to mask
their disabilities, not becausewe're being sneaky or
manipulative or anything likethat, but just because we can.
We figure out workarounds,because this is a brain that we
have and we're going to figureit out one way or the other.
The challenge with that is thatbecause we mask our disability
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I'm calling it a disability, butyou know what I mean Like it
can really get in the way of, itreally can get in the way of
productivity and creativity,even as we develop.
But when we mask our, when wemask these symptoms, the
challenges, that people thendon't believe us when we say
that we have it.
Oh no, you just need to focusmore, robin, you're just too
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sensitive.
Well, I have it's called.
It's a new term RDS rejection.
Rsd rejection sensitivedysphoria.
It's really like it's a feltsensation of fear of rejection
If somebody says no, there'sthis literal.
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Can you relate to this?
Oh yeah, like this painfulthing that you have to work
through.
It's actually a thing that I'veseen more recently in the ADHD
forums and social media.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's fascinating.
I did not know that, okay, so Ido relate to that.
Yeah, so we have worked withthings that we work around,
right, we work around them andI'm just sensitive.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
So I have to steal myself.
When I'm inviting people, likeI'm teaching an Akashic Records
level one certification class inearly March, one of my
approaches is always to tuneinto my intuition and see who I
see in that program and thenreach out to them and invite
them in.
You would think on the surfacethat's a pretty simple protocol,
right, you just invite peoplein.
(24:52):
But when you have ADHD, whenyou've got this sensitivity to
rejection, it's like asysophysian task sometimes.
So you have to work with theenergies of that as well as
you're realizing this aboutyourself.
So the point I want to just goback to the masking just briefly
, because this is something that, unless and until we really
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acknowledge that this is a thingthat's going on in our brains,
I think that when we're tryingto fit in I've said this for a
while now when you're too welladjusted for your own good, it
usually means you're maskingsomething.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You're deploying your intellectual resources to solve
a problem internally withoutasking for help.
You have mastered that inunderstanding that it is a
collaboration and that you doprovide the creative energy and
the flow of it, but there areother people around it who hold
the container for you to be ableto produce something like an
(25:52):
album.
And congratulations, by the way, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That's so interesting too, what you talked about the
rejection factor, because I justassumed it was what I learned
as a child.
But that could be part of ittoo.
But I didn't realize it was apart of ADHD either.
That's so interesting becauseI've been going through this.
I do the same thing.
I will envision who would be inthe class because I teach this
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class.
I also wrote a book which iscalled Finally Thriving and I do
a group program with it aboutthree times a year.
It's a 12-week coaching andcourse program.
I always envision first who Iwould like to ask and invite
into it.
Yes, sometimes people say no,I'm like it does.
I've gotten a lot better withthis, but at first rejection was
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so hard for me and it stillisn't great.
But I would take it personallyfor so many years and I just
really had a hard time.
I just assumed everybodyexperienced it like that, but
maybe not as much, not as much.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Okay, one of the assessments that I give, the
assessment that I give is theNeo5 Factor personality
assessment.
It is the gold standard ofpersonality assessments.
I can give it because of mycredentials.
Personality exists on a normaldistribution curve.
People who have a profoundsensitivity to social exchanges
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have even a social anxiety.
I would say even Most peoplescore about average on that
particular facet.
Then there are those of us whoare over on the tail of the
curve who really have a deepsensitivity to those
interactions and those exchanges.
Yes, to your point, there issome societal, cultural,
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familial influences with theseexperiences.
But we can map it prettyclearly on the personality
profile to that sensitivity tosocial environments.
Being overly anxious aboutsocial exchanges and just having
a general sense of anxiety aswell on top of the ADHD can also
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contribute.
There are a lot of differentinfluences that create the
conditions for the expression ofthat sensitivity in your
business to show up.
Now here's the thing whenyou're also very bright, you can
usually manage that pretty well.
But literally right before I goton this podcast, I was just
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boxering with one of mymastermind buddies, elise, and I
was like what do I do aboutthis?
I'm feeling and I'm fillingthis class and what am I going
to do?
And here's where I landed as Iprocessed through it with her.
Here's the trick when youengage the energy of invitation
first, when you just sit in theenergy of invitation and you
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start sending out invitations,if I say hey to you, you should
do this you're invited.
Even if you say no, it stillactivates the energy of
invitation and those people whoare going to say yes are going
to feel that vibration as well.
So it's not just a one-to-oneexchange.
It's embodying the energeticsof it which shift the
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perspective, doesn't it?
So it's not about you sayingyes or no.
It's just as me being in theenergy of invitation and how
much that my brain just relaxeda whole lot when I even when I
was talking about that.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, that's something I've been practicing
too, but I didn't think of itlike that.
That is a great perspective.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Isn't that good?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
It's not personal no yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
It's so interesting that you also have gone through
that, because you're workingwith a lot of corporations, you
know, and that the corporatesector is very I would think,
very hard to deal with that.
So how have you dealt with thatin that arena?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Well, remember, I'm a STEM girl at heart and so the
organizations that I work withare largely tech and biotech
right.
So I work with execs at Nikeand Intel and you know all the
other big fortune, even Fortune100 companies, caterpillar and
so on.
And because I grew up with them, I went to an engineering
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college at the beginning of myeducation.
I didn't major in engineering,I was one of the science majors
but I went there.
So I grew up around engineersand I just feel like that
particular set of people.
I'm just one of the family.
I'm different from them becauseI'm a psychologist, I'm not an
engineer, but they're my people.
So, for whatever reason, whenthey know I'm quirky, they know
(30:46):
I talk about intuition andenergy and that sometimes
they're like McKay.
Can we like not?
They don't want to talk aboutemotions, even.
But what's changing in corporate?
And one of the reasons why Iwork with spiritual
entrepreneurs andtransformational thought leaders
around bringing their messageinto corporate is because there
really is a call right now amongthe emotionally intelligent in
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the corporate space to dosomething different.
They're tired of the grit,tenacity and hard work.
The last few years especiallyhave just weighed down on people
around.
There has to be a better way ofworking and living.
We've seen the greatresignation and the quiet
quitting, and now there's thiswave of layoffs that's happening
(31:31):
as well, that people like youand me, who are wired for this,
like we've already been throughour transformation.
We're on the other side of itand we a lot of times, can speak
their language.
If you worked in corporate atall, you know the language of
corporate.
You know probably what it waslike to be up at 3 AM emailing
your boss about something thatwas due at 8 AM or whatever,
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like.
There are all of these littlenuances that the spiritual
entrepreneurs have access tobecause of our previous
experiences working in aBiosafety Level 2 lab, working
with the FDA later in my careerbringing a couple of new drugs
to the market, like.
Those kinds of things still arepart of who I am and I've
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integrated those, so I speaktheir language.
But then I can take them beyondthe way that they've been
working in the past and intothis next iteration of how we're
actually meant to be working,which is a lot more creativity
flow, guilt-free work I think isa good way of saying it
Optimism, hope, that kind ofthing, and they're hungry for it
(32:37):
.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Wow, that's good to know.
Yeah, I want to speak a littlemore to this energy that's
coming in, because I've noticedit too and I've been talking to
people about it for some timenow.
This is like we're getting outof the striving, working
ourselves to death energy intomore of a creativity aspect, but
(33:00):
also just showing up in yourown energy being enough, like
you don't have to do anythingelse.
It's just like so liberating.
Also, maybe scary for somepeople, because we're used to
doing, and I would love to hearyour take on what is happening
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energetically, because we bothknow that a lot is going on,
both astrologically and with thehuman residents, the solar
flares we're getting all these.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
The matrix Downloads yeah, all the things In
lightworker language, inlightworker language.
Yeah, that's exactly it.
So this is great.
I love talking about thisbecause I work regularly with
the leaders in tech.
They'll hire me privately even.
They don't even go throughtheir organization.
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They just invest in themselvesand their future because they
know they want somethingdifferent.
And when I talk with them aboutthis new way of living and
working, innovation, creativityflow, optimism, hope all of
those constructs that come outof really positive psychology,
(34:11):
but it's also lightworkerlanguage they're in agreement
with that.
But they also have reallystrong programming around the
grit tenacity, hard work,busyness, productivity those are
a couple of other big things.
Some of them are internal.
They come from family messagesaround work.
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In fact, one of my clientsrecently she's getting ready to
go on sabbatical, so she'soffloading some of her projects
and getting ready to do that,and she said the other day she's
felt this immense wave of guiltshow up, and so we explored
that.
I always look at those emotionsnot as problems to solve but as
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invitations, invitation todeepen into something.
The guilt, for example, wouldbe an invitation to deeper into
the truth of who you are and tolook around and see what's not
in alignment with the truth ofwho you are.
So one of the things that, as Iwas reading, I'm a psychologist
(35:16):
by training, so it's sort ofthrough that lens, but I also
read the Akashic records.
I'm working in the energeticsof my people as well who come in
and sit with me.
So I was looking at it and Ireally recognize that a lot of
the energy around that guiltexperience that she had was
coming actually from the I'llcall it the corporate matrix,
(35:38):
the expectations that the systemhas set up for the people to
prove themselves to beproductive.
You've seen the memes about likemoving your mouse around on
your screen so that somebodythinks you're working Like
exactly yeah, I don't know whatthe F even is that Like I don't
anyway, it makes my eye twitch.
(36:01):
So when we extract her fromthat, from being connected with
that aspect of the corporatematrix, and if she's really
feeling like 80% of that, thatenergy of guilt is coming
externally from her, theexpectations of the organization
, not from her boss, who's veryunderstanding and supportive,
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not from maybe a little bit fromparents like mom said, if
you're not busy or lazy, thatkind of thing but largely it was
actually from the structure,the systems and structure in
place within the corporate.
I'll call it entity.
When you extract from there,then you can just be in that
world, but not of it.
And now you can make decisionsbased on your own personal
(36:45):
sovereignty and the infinitefield of possibilities, rather
than on this limited field ofwhat the industrial complex says
that you should be doing in anygiven moment, on any given day.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, does that make sense, absolutely.
Yeah, it sounds like whatyou're saying is you can be an
observer and not participate inthe program.
Right, you can just see it forwhat it is Because, like you
said, there's layers and layersof programming that we have in
our society that manylightworkers and other people
have been working ondestabilizing, and then it's up
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to the person to realize andbecome aware of the program
they're running on and decide tomake a different choice and to
live a different way.
So that's where the integrationhappens.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, it's something that you can't unknow.
You can't when you start reallydiscerning is this me or is this
outside of me?
And if it's outside of me, thenI can't process it first of all
and I can make a choice todisconnect from it and do the
right thing.
And I said to her she'sactually, she's got a team who
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works for her.
She recognized this.
First she said I have aresponsibility to set a
different tone for my team, toset a different example for my
team and even if I'm not sayingI feel guilty about X, y and Z,
my team will be able to sensethat.
That's how emotionallyintelligent these engineers are.
I'm not like it's so cool tosee this generation, especially
(38:27):
the women engineers who arecoming in, are so emotionally
intelligent.
Many, many of them are actuallyhighly intuitive, even if they
don't identify that way, butthey're recognizing that as
they're learning to name whatthey're experiencing and then
seeing the influences tricklingdown into the ranks, which means
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that she's actually setting atone for the future of
leadership, even in the techspace.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
That's amazing, that's what we need right now.
That's powerful and that givesme hope with the tech industry,
because I wasn't sure where thatwas going and I've talked to a
few people and tried to workwith a few people in the past in
the tech industry and some ofthem just don't have the emotion
(39:15):
.
It just didn't work becausethey weren't able to really
connect with themselves that way.
But it's good to know thatpeople are doing that and then
they're creating that awarenessand emotional intelligence, like
you're saying with that, andI'm guessing that's where you're
bridging the gap with you hadon here.
(39:40):
Why are lightworkers andspiritual entrepreneurs well
suited to serve the peopleincorporated?
And it sounds like this is whyand it can be possible that
people who are even in thatindustry are working as
spiritual or light people-they're undercover.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
They're undercover lightworkers yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
And I was too.
At some point when I was stillearly in my career, when I was
working in the pharmaceuticalindustry, after I had left the
biosafety level three lab, Istarted in pharma as a medical
writer and clinical scientistand doing that kind of work.
But simultaneously I wasgetting my PhD in psychology and
, as any high achieving smartgirl would do, built a house and
(40:25):
also studied spiritualintelligence for seven years.
Because why not do all thethings at once?
And so I would go to work andmy colleagues, my neuroscientist
colleagues, my pharmaceuticalchemist colleagues would come to
(40:46):
me and ask me for a very humanadvice and ask where I was
studying Reiki at the time.
Can I have a Reiki treatment?
So even then, while I was stillin that space, I was still
serving my higher purpose, whichis to anchor in light.
I couldn't have probablyarticulated that way at the time
(41:08):
, but I was really doing thatwork and also working my day job
.
So there are a lot oflightworkers who are still in
the corporate space, who are inthe closet around their
intuition, around the fact thatthey're a lightworker at all,
but they're behind the scenes,reading their Oracle cards and
studying astrology and studyinghuman design and coming to you
(41:30):
and coming to me and askingquestions and the barrier for
them really is.
I don't want anybody to thinkI'm weird.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
That's what I used for a long time.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, and then I was like well, actually being weird,
isn't that bad.
I read recently I don't knowwhere I saw this, but there was
a headline that what made youweird as a kid makes you great
as an adult.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Good, I love it.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I know.
So part of the mission in meworking with the lightworkers
who really are meant to be backin the corporate space doing the
kind of work that I do is thatwe have to get really
comfortable with our own lunasand we have to stop tolerating
the criticism about your tootouchy feeling.
(42:17):
We have to insist that thelanguage changes around.
Emotional intelligence, beingan air quotes soft skill, it's
actually a capability that asmall portion of the population
has immense access to, more thanaverage people do.
And when we stop nodding ourheads along and soothing
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people's anxieties about touchyfeeling, emotional intelligence
or beyond intuition a Kashukrecords, when we get real
comfortable with that languageand bring that into them, that
gives them permission to do thesame.
This has been several years ago.
I was over at Honeywell doing atalk for the Society of Women
Engineers and one of my I loveher.
(43:01):
She was one of my clients for along time and she actually
brought me in.
She was a leader over there andI did my talk I think it was on
burnout and I used the wordenergy at some point.
This was pre-COVID and it'sprobably 2018.
And afterwards she came up tome and she's like so you're
using the energy, word huh.
And she's like yes, I am.
(43:24):
Another time I was over at Inteldoing a talk for another group
of women engineer leaders and Isaid I was doing a meditation
and suddenly I said and breathein love and grace.
And I was like shit.
I just said that and I'm likeno, I'm standing in that and
afterwards a woman came up to meand she said she said you're
(43:45):
intuitive, aren't you?
And I said yeah, I am.
She said I need to work withyou and she hired me and paid in
full.
In a way we went.
So there is something when thepeople who are meant to work
with us, who are in that space,are going to see us because
we're going to speak in somewhatcode, but we have to be able to
speak that other language aswell in order to accommodate
people who are still kind ofbehind the curve in terms of
(44:10):
being able to speak the languageor even recognizing that it's a
capability that is meant to bemaximized.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, do you feel like the energy that, as we went
through this energy shift, thepast couple of years especially,
I feel like it catapulted a lotof people into this, whereas
before they would have been alot more off put by it, and now
they're more open to it, and Ifelt instantly more comfortable
(44:40):
in my own skin talking aboutthis stuff, whereas before I was
in the spiritual closet foryears as a trainer, not really
talking about health and evensometimes.
I remember my early years eventalking about organic food
sounded crazy to people and theywere like what?
That's not even a thing.
I'm like it is Promise, it's athing.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Eat your vegetables.
That aren't straight with DDTLike organic is different than
conventional.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Trust me, they're like no, no way.
They didn't believe me and Iwas like, wow, ok, so, and this
was back before like organic waseven known like it is.
There was no whole foods, butyeah.
And then so I come into thisplace in my life where I've been
doing all these things foryears Energy work and all these
(45:31):
spiritual practices and reallydiving deeply into wellness and
how it bridges with theenergetic and getting into
energy healing and all thosethings too, over the years, and
finally I'm like I'm doing this.
I'm going to start just outingmyself and be just show people
(45:54):
who I am, because I was just sotired of hiding for so many
years.
I felt like that was hidingparts of myself.
And, granted, you meet peoplewhere they're at yes, absolutely
.
And at the same time, like youwere just describing, robin, is
sometimes you just when youchannel that energy and you're
going to say the right things tothe right people and then
(46:15):
building that trust around thatis also key Is learning how to
trust yourself.
right, it is yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
From the time I was a little kid, my mom had this
thing that she would say to mecan you just be yourself?
And I didn't know what shemeant by that, and I'm not sure
that she did actually either,because remember I was talking
about that neo personalityprofile.
There's one aspect ofpersonality that is called
openness to experiences andthat's really the hallmark of
the creative personality.
(46:42):
It's highly imaginative, has alove of beauty and aesthetics,
has a deep connection with herown emotions and the emotions of
other people, can read the room, basically has a great sense of
adventure, challenges thestatus quo as a lifelong learner
.
That's kind of the crux of thatopenness.
(47:03):
So how that looks when you're akid is like I was fascinated by
people from Britain, so anytimeI would hear like a sense and
sensibility, I would pick up onthe accent.
And then I would meet peopleand I would pick up on their
accent.
My best friend moved from SouthDakota to Florida and then
suddenly she had a Floridianaccent and when I was with her I
(47:24):
would sound like her and my momwould always say can you just
be yourself?
Well, what I didn't understandis that I had a very open
personality that could just takethat in.
I was creative, so I could hearthat my language centers were
very active, and so I could justimitate even my French accent.
My French accent is better thanmy French by far, Wow.
(47:47):
So I say this don't ask me todemonstrate, though, because my
French is terrible.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
What does a Floridian sound like?
There's just lots of y'alls inSouthern, like Georgia, georgia,
florida.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, she was in Tallahassee, so it was kind of
that Georgia-Florida kind ofsituation.
But the being yourself rememberI said a while ago, sometimes
you're too well adjusted foryour own good.
When you can mask who you are,you become a chameleon or you
become a shapeshifter, and thatis a gift.
(48:22):
If you're going to be a spy,like in World War II, that's a
really good skill to have.
It's also highly protectivewhen you have we'll call it, I'm
going to call it the witchwound around.
Maybe there was another timelineyou were on that.
You were burned at the stake ortried as a witch and drowned.
(48:44):
You were found innocent andalso dead.
And so all of these experiencesthat women have had across
lifetimes, with our intuition,with our spiritual intelligence,
with our healing capabilitiesthat go beyond Western medicine,
it would be natural for us toprotect ourselves.
But here's the thing is now.
There's never been a safer timefor us to be fully ourselves,
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first of all.
Secondly, I was having thisconversation my guides.
So I'm a clear channel.
So I channel all kinds of workin the Akashic records.
I channel my guides.
And when I walk Cooper, mygolden doodle the guides speak
to me through my voice.
So I'm talking out loud duringmy during my walk with Cooper
and the other day we weretalking about dogs named Cooper,
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cooper, cooper, mac.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
I used to have a dog named Cooper.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, that's a whole nother story.
I'll tell you how he got hisname, if we have time.
So I, with my PhD in psychology, being raised academically by
psychologists, I've still feltmyself distance myself from the,
from the psychology community,because I don't want them to
(49:58):
think I'm crazy, because I don'twant them to judge me, whatever
those stories are that we haveabout what people will think of
us if we actually show up asourselves.
And my guides reminded me ofthis.
They said, robin, how do youthink if you went to your
psychology friends, if you saidI'm a clear channel, what do you
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think they would say to you?
And I said well, they'retrained to affirm my experience.
First of all, if we're going tolook at the DSM, the DSM would
say that hallucinations seeingthings that other people can't
see, hearing things that otherpeople can't hear is is really
only a pathology if it's outsideof a person's worldview.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Wow, okay.
So if it's so, I was raisedcharismatic Catholic, so laying
on of hands, healing, thosekinds of things were always in
my field.
They're part of my worldview.
So if I'm having thisexperience of being a clear
channel and having conversationswith my guides who other people
can't see, it's still in myworldview.
Is this?
(51:08):
I don't know why we're talkingabout this.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
I just like it's like a value that you have, like
yeah, yeah, so it's not crazyfor me to do this.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
It's integrated.
When I say I have a PhD inpsychology and I'm a clear
channel, that's me beingintegrated.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Oh, absolutely.
I think that's the best of bothworlds.
And it's balancing too, becausea lot of people are way over
too far in the other directionand no, but everything you were
talking about is just like.
I feel like you're talking tome, robin.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yes, I am talking to you because if you look at the
witch wound, if you look at,like any time, a woman, there is
a lot of crazy making in this,in this world that we live in.
Let's be honest, and I learneda long time ago that there's a
fine line between being psychicand being psychotic.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yes, I've thought about that too, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
And if you look at the energetics of it, we have to
ask the question what are youchanneling?
So, if you have diffuseboundaries, if your body is in
bad shape, if you haveunprocessed, unresolved trauma,
if you've got a geneticpredisposition for a bipolar
disorder, like there, are all ofthese things that would create
(52:23):
the conditions for a psychosisto arise clinically.
But if you have none of thosethings, if you're healthy, if
your body is fortified, ifyou're eating your organic foods
and having a, if you have aclear channel, the frequencies
that you're going to be able tochannel, like you with your
music, are going to be high,clear and sweet.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Right, because it's coming from a pure place.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Exactly.
It's coming from a pure place,but if your body is, how do I
want to say it?
I was going to use the worddirty and I don't mean it like
pigpen, but if you're not if youhave fields.
Yeah, if there's density, ifthere's holding on emotions or
yeah, and even if you thinkabout it like I've gone through
periods of anxiety anddepression, I'm channeling that
(53:11):
too.
Everything is channelingthrough the field of anxiety and
depression then, and then I'mvery capable of going down worst
case scenarios into the badneighborhoods of my mind.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Right, yeah, and it's a matter of becoming more of
that observer in your life andjust like noticing it come
through like, okay, this iscoming through, all right,
you're not resisting against it,you're allowing it.
And it's more of that feminineaspect of yourself that is just
(53:42):
letting yourself go with theflow of the energy.
And that's how you become theclear channel and you continue
to let go of that density as itcomes through, because it's
coming up for a reason, right, Imean it wants to be, it wants
you to let it move through.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
To transmute it, to alchemize it, to use it as an
invitation.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Rather than being in the problem reaction solution
triad.
Why don't we just look at ifI'm feeling anxious.
What is it an invitation to dowhen I'm feeling bored or
unchallenged?
It's probably an invitation tocontribute, to get creative, to
change my energy up.
Those are the things.
(54:24):
So it's the angle that we'relooking at the experience from,
rather than pathologizingeverything.
So my point to wrap that pieceup about how can we shift things
as light workers going into amore traditional corporate space
is why don't we just ownourselves first and be super
(54:45):
clear about who I am and superclear about what my mission is,
and then it doesn't matter whatyou think about me or what I
have to say.
I'm a truth teller and I'mgoing to tell the truth, and the
truth creates glitches in thematrix.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yes, yes, and it's already happening.
I mean it's interesting ThingsI've noticed and heard people
talk about is like it's likethat, the book I've ever read
the book Truth vs FalsehoodYou're going to see the
falsehoods and everything, orthe truth of it, immediately,
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whereas before it might havebeen masked in a lower density
kind of dimension of realitythat we were in before.
Now the veil like when they saythe veil is getting thinner.
That's because now you're goingto be able to see the truth of
what everything is.
There's no hiding it anymore,and so that's, I feel like what
we're stepping into, right, yes,that's discernment, and there's
(55:48):
a difference between skepticismand discernment, isn't there?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Skepticism actually, in my experience, will block,
and even critical thinking willdo this too, will block my lived
experience.
Skepticism, critical thinking,outsources my inner knowing and
says but what do they think?
What would she say?
What would he say?
What would that person say ifthey knew?
That's the skepticism.
(56:18):
The discernment is.
This is my experience.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Right?
Yeah, it sounds like thediscernment honors your
experience.
The skepticism is concernedwith the judgment of others,
right?
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, and it gaslights your experience.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
There's perspective, exactly, exactly.
It gaslights you and then youcan never really see things for
what they are.
You're always coming from thisdifferent lens, right of seeing
it.
And that's why the self-work isso important, because we want
to be able to come from a verypure perspective, so that we can
kind of come in with more of itUnconditional love for
(56:53):
ourselves, and then you can justspill that out to others, so
like for lightworkers.
Traditionally they've been likethese warriors, these saviors in
the narrative right, but really, like you said, you're nailing
it.
They are not.
It's about you showing up asyourself fully, and it's purity,
(57:16):
and then that spills on toothers and then they are
inspired to be themselves andthen you don't have to rescue
anything.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Exactly, I've got my business coach is Jennifer
Lawnmore and she is she's afounder of a Cashick Records
System, a soldier in the newsmethod.
I've worked with her for fiveyears.
She comes out of forensicsocial work and now she's got
you know, an eight-figure andjust.
She's quite remarkable ineverything that she does.
(57:42):
But one of the things that Ilearned from her over the past
three years, in this littleCOVID era that we've experienced
, I call it the Great Awakening.
She said you can be a life raftor you can be a lighthouse, and
the difference is the angle.
Are you going to still be inthat victim, persecutor, rescuer
triad?
You know, wonder Woman isalways the hero.
(58:04):
But when we position somebodylike Wonder Woman or a light
worker, one of us, as the hero,there's always got to be a
victim then and there's alwaysgot to be a persecutor, a bully.
But when we shift from thatkind of life raft scenario the
hero is the life raft into.
I'm going to be a clear signal,I'm going to be a clear channel
(58:24):
.
I'm going to be a lighthouse,and a lighthouse just shines.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Right, I love that, and if people don't?
Speaker 2 (58:32):
like how bright the lighthouse is, put on some
sunglasses, but don't dim yourlight, because your job is to
shine, and that's actually, Ibelieve, what the light workers,
the light warriors, the lightambassadors are here for is to
just shine.
That shifts things more thananybody else.
It gives other peoplepermission and activations to
(58:53):
shine as well.
So in your upcoming launch ofyour album, that's an
opportunity for you to shine andfor your light to be carried
out across the field and toshift people in some way.
The activations in your music,I sense, are going to be very
powerful for the people who arelistening to the music.
(59:15):
So everybody buy the album andlisten.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
Thank you so much, robin.
I feel that too.
It's a little bit like surreal.
I'm serious, that just camethrough.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
That was channeled.
Wow, you're welcome.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
No, that was channeled, those are activations
.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
Those are activations that are coming through.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
That's what I was.
What kind of?
Speaker 2 (59:32):
music, is it?
Oh it's, I don't even know.
It's like a diff.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
It's like there's frequencies that are put that
are in each song, but it hasspoken word, it's my voice and
it's also some singing and butdifferent, different songs have
different frequency.
I'll send you the link if youwant to check it out.
You do?
Yeah, and it's that's.
What I feel like I'm going intois less of a.
(59:57):
I mean coaching for a long timeand serving people that way,
but I have like hid myselfbehind the coach role and now
I'm like, you know, I just feellike I've worked so much in my
life.
I just feel like being rightnow.
I just feel like can we just bein each other's energy right
now and enjoy that, you know,and that's that's what I'm
bringing to the table, likeinspiring people through play,
(01:00:20):
like how can you, you know, dothis channeling, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
I mean the things that you're channeling.
I want to have you on mypodcast.
Okay, it's called becoming thechannel.
It's called becoming thechannel.
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Yeah, I've been doing a lot of channeling this past
year, for sure.
Yeah, yeah it's.
It's amazing when you can justbe a clear vessel.
What comes through it alwayssurprises me.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
That's how you know, that's how you know is it always
surprises you?
And so, just to come back tothis ADHD link right, we have
these brains that are unusual.
We have these brains that areconnected to higher levels of
consciousness, that have thecapability of tuning in.
(01:01:06):
One of my guides said yourbrain, your nervous system, is
like a radio antenna, and whatfrequency are you tuned to?
Yeah, and so when you have,when you're, a clear channel,
you get to choose.
What am I going to tune intotoday?
Joy, creativity, the field ofinfinite possibilities.
What am I tuning into today?
(01:01:27):
And you just send up the signaland it's right there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Ah, that's, it's so simple, right?
It's just so amazing that wehave access to that.
That's so simple.
Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Yeah, so, yeah.
So, if you know, if we were togive you the Neo, I would guess
that you probably score veryhigh on open, as you're probably
, you know, in a room of ahundred people or even a
thousand people, one of the mostopen people in that space and
you probably, you know, thedistractibility would probably
show up as well, or the daydreaming would show up as well.
It's not diagnostic for ADHD,but we can sure predict it based
(01:02:00):
on how the personality is wired.
And the reason that's importantfor for the those of us, those
of you who are listening to, isthat if you have ADHD and you
haven't been assessed yet or youdon't know for sure what's the
other side of that, the way toget at that in part is by
looking at the personality aswell and looking at what the
strengths of the personality areand why you are the way you are
(01:02:22):
.
A lot of us are called to bechannels.
Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah, so you're you're saying, when I hear you
saying, robin, is that peoplewho have, who are channels, are
more likely to be ADHD.
Is that what you're saying?
I think so.
I think so.
Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
I never, I never think of it.
I don't.
You know the research, I'mstill a scientist and I'm like,
okay, can I say that?
And like this data bear it out.
Well, the the evidence thatI've seen in all of the people
who I've interviewed and testedaround, they identify as I'm
intuitive, I'm a channel, and Ilook at their personalities and
(01:03:02):
then we ask about ADHD and those.
Those things seem to be linked.
So you have to have ADHD.
Do you have to have ADHD inorder to be a channel?
Probably not, but there is aneurodiversity that I think you
would find present.
Also, and one of the keys isrecognizing, like if you're, if
(01:03:23):
you're feeling like you're toowell adjusted for your own good,
if you're masking some of thesesymptoms or some of your
abilities, God forbid.
You mask your abilities, yourcapabilities, your gifts,
because that's what you camehere to share and that's what
needs to come forward now, andI'm glad you're sharing yours.
Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Thank you.
Well said, I love it.
Thank you so much, robin.
If you would please leave mylisteners with a way to find you
, connect with you, whateveryou're offering at the present
moment as well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
So a couple of things .
Usually on podcasts there's oneor two people who just know
that they're meant to work withme and if you're one of those
people, you start the process bybooking a call, just a a
consult with me.
So you go to drrobinmccom,forward slash call and that
takes you to my schedule.
You just get on my calendar forthat.
I'm on Instagram, drrrobinmc,and TikTok is really surprising
(01:04:19):
me with how fun it is to be overthere.
Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Okay, I'll try it then.
So I'm over on TikTok as well.
I've been avoiding it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I know, but there's something I actually just posted
on are you too well adjustedfor your own good?
How to?
How to tell if you're too welladjusted for your own good?
And it is.
I'm not joking, I'm notexaggerating when I say it's
blowing up.
I'm like holy smokes, like whateven is this?
So it's been fun to connectwith people who are raising
their hands and saying, yeah, Iam, I'm intuitive, I'm smart and
(01:04:49):
I'm too well adjusted for myown good.
What do I do about that?
So you can find me on either ofthose platforms.
I'm on Facebook, of course.
Becoming the channel is myFacebook group.
That's the.
That's the official home of thepodcast, and you can find my
podcast becoming the channelwherever you listen to those.
Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
So that's it.
Well, thank you so much, Robin.
This has been an incredibleshow and so amazing to connect
with you.
Thank you for all your insightsand your wisdom that you shared
today.
I appreciate it so much.
Thanks for coming.
Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
You're welcome, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I believe bliss is a spiritual experience and you
can't find this without firstlearning how to play, make
mistakes and have fun, fun.
But it's hard to experiencebliss until you've learned how
to surrender to what you cannotcontrol, control, control,
(01:05:49):
control, control, control,control, control.
It's more fun to roll with lifemost times and, of course,
control what you can, but let goof what you cannot and hand
that over to the universe oryour higher self, self, self,
self, self, self, self, self,self, self, self, self, self,
(01:06:11):
self, self, self, self Self.
Our joy lies in the idea thatmany times, life does not unfold
the way we always expect ourplan, but it does unfold the way
(01:06:34):
that is right for each of us,giving us exactly what we need
without losing anything.
Oftentimes, the result is evenbetter than what we could have
ever imagined, ever imagined,ever imagined Because we opened
ourselves up to infinitepossibility, possible, possible.
Embracing the unknown in yourlife is like watching a good
(01:06:57):
movie and waiting for the nextclue as to what could come next,
with curiosity and excitement.
Curiosity and excitement.
Curiosity and excitement,curiosity and excitement.
What you discover along the wayin your life is important,
important, important, important,important, important, important
, important, important,important, important, important,
important, important, important, and it all relates back to you
(01:07:18):
being able to see the beautyand bringing awareness to the
synchronicities, thesynchronicities.
Your life is your greatest workof art.
We are all artists in that wayand you get to create your life
any way you like.
That's the fun part, and havingfun, I believe, is a spiritual
experience, experience,experience, experience,
(01:07:38):
experience, experience,experience.
Your life is your greatest workof art and it all relates back
to the synchronicities,synchronicities.
Having fun, I believe, is aspiritual experience, experience
, experience, and it all relatesback to the synchronicities,
(01:07:59):
the synchronicities.
Your life is your greatest workof art and it all relates back
(01:08:24):
to the sacred mystics, thesacred mystics.
Your life is your greatest work of art and it all
relates back to thesynchronicity.
Welcome to Integrate Yourself,everybody.
I'm your host, alison Palau,and you can find me at
alisonpalaucom.
You can find my book FinallyThriving there.
(00:40):
That is your first introductionto what I do, what I offer, how
I help my clients and theprocess that I bring my students
through in my Finally Thrivingclass.
So if you're curious about that, pick up a copy of my book.
I also have it available onaudiobook through Audible as
(01:02):
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My book is available if youdon't want to go to Amazon.
So I have another class comingup in August August 21st it's
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So the next group it's going tobe amazing.
(01:24):
We're going to tap into ourinner creativity, our inner
wellness, our inner peace All ofthese things.
We're going to bring themtogether to bring true joy and
be able to access that in ourlives, live a heart centered
life where we don't have to bethinking in circles all the time
(01:46):
and figuring things out.
We can just be and experiencethe joy that is right in front
of us in our lives.
So sometimes we have conflictin our life that really shakes
things up and it brings to ourattention things that we could
be working on within ourselves,and I'm seeing that a lot in
(02:07):
people lately.
Today happens to be the8-8-Lions Gate Portal.
If you're familiar withastrology, this is an important
day.
It's an important activationday.
So today, get some rest, sitback and receive the messages
(02:27):
that you're meant to receivetoday, and also just get really
clear today on what you want tocreate, moving forward, not only
what, but how you want to do it, and that's another thing we go
through in the finally thrivingclass is what is your process?
Everybody has a unique creativeprocess, whether you're
(02:49):
creating your life, whetheryou're creating a project,
whether you are a leader or inthe service industry or a coach
entrepreneur.
All of those things takecreative energy, and the more
we're distracted by our lives ofthinking and trying to figure
things out, then it really takesus off our course of creating
(03:14):
what we're here to create.
And so, by tapping into yourinner play, you're the love that
you know.
We're learning how to loveourselves through our self-care
practice and our wellnesspractice and our wellness dates,
prioritizing time with yourself, learning how your energy feels
and then creating andcultivating that confidence
(03:37):
within and that calmness withinto really take on whatever life
hands you.
You can do this with grace andease and then that's how we can
experience the true thriving inour lives and get out of that
survival mode.
So that's what I help people do.
We go through a 12-week courseand coaching program where you
have a live coaching sessionwith me every week and you get
(04:01):
one module every week topractice, to create your daily
wellness practice with.
We go through different thingsthrough.
We start with the mind, then welearn how to connect naturally
to our body and read themessages and listen to the
messages our body tells us, andthen we learn how to tune into
(04:24):
our spirit.
We create spiritual maturityand spiritual intelligence,
which is something that a lot ofpeople are really curious about
lately and I'm really excitedto share that how you can do
that.
So today's show we do talkabout spiritual intelligence and
we talk about intuition and wetalk about ADHD and it's
(04:45):
something that is close to myheart because I've experienced
this in my own life.
So because I've experiencedthat, I've created a book and a
program that helps people whoare highly creative, really
direct this energy back intothemselves and then shine the
light for other people.
It's not about us saving otherpeople, it's about us shining
(05:07):
the light so they can beinspired to do the work
themselves and to show up fullyas themselves too.
So for you to show up fully asyourself is the work.
So that's what we do, and ifyou want to join that program on
August 21st, it starts then.
So if you want to, another weekfor the special waitlist price,
that's discounted and thenafter that it goes back to the
(05:30):
regular price.
So if you want to get in onthat, go ahead and set up a free
call with me by following thelink on the show notes and we
can get you signed up, all right.
So today my guest is Robin, drRobin McKay.
She was an amazing guest and Idid this, recorded this podcast
with her back in the winter time.
(05:52):
So this is why, if you'relooking at the YouTube video,
I'm wearing a sweater and we'retalking about snow and the cold
and stuff.
So sometimes with these shows,I titrate them out to come out
at a certain time Just when,from my experience when I
intuitively know that it's theright time for people to hear
these messages.
And this is the right timebecause, like I said, we are in
(06:15):
a very big activation dayenergetically, and this is the
time for you to create thatcourage, find that courage
within yourself to really stepout of what you've learned, what
you've been programmed to do,and start to honor yourself.
This is the time.
So today we talk about thegifts that we can find in ADHD
(06:39):
and how that's related to highlycreative people, which I
thought was so interesting.
In this episode.
Robin shares also how she helpspeople in the corporate sector
who are undercover light workersand are doing this work but not
, maybe not, know it.
And we talk about how to getout of the spiritual closet and
(07:00):
back into spiritual maturity andbecome in a line.
That's really how you becomealigned with yourself, when you
take in all aspects of your lifeand then you, you discover who
you truly are, the truth of that.
We talk about that today aswell, and you know the well, the
(07:20):
, the well adjusted life likewe're so well adjusted, we're
taking all this energy.
It takes all this energy justto show up at has someone we
think people want us to be, andthat's that perfection mode,
that's that trying to fit inmode and we we address that
today and how that can reallystifle you from expanding out to
(07:41):
where you really want to be inyour life and creating the
abundance you want in your lifeas well, becoming a leader as
well.
How that really blocks you fromdoing these things when we're
not showing up fully as ourselfRight.
So we talk about all thesethings.
This was a super, super greatshow and Robin was such an
(08:02):
incredible guest and I reallyconnected with her in this
episode and I'm actually I'veactually signed up to do a
consultation with her as well,cause I feel like her work is
really important.
So if you want to sign up withRobin and do a consultation the
link is in the show notes aswell you can set up a call with
her and check out her work andfollow her too.
(08:23):
So, without further ado, it ismy honor and my pleasure to
introduce you to Dr Robin McKay.
What's going on, dr Vampira?
(08:56):
Thank you so much.
Today I'm here with a veryspecial guest, robin McKay.
She's an award-winningpsychologist, multi-six figure
entrepreneur and an executivecoach on top leaders in Fortune
500 companies and entertainment.
(09:16):
Dr McKay is also a leadingexpert in the new field of
spiritual intelligence.
She brings bridges betweenreason and intuition, science
and spirit and her clients'heads and hearts.
In her life outside the office,robin loves hiking on the
desert trails near her home inScottsdale, arizona, and
(09:38):
climbing the red rocks of Sedona.
Sounds like fun.
Thank you so much, robin, forcoming on.
I'm so excited to talk to youtoday.
We're going to talk about somereally fun and interesting
topics.
Before we get started, if you'dlike to share anything about
what led you to this workbecause it's very interesting,
as we'll talk about today and tobringing this field of
(10:03):
psychology more into a spiritualexperience with your clients.
What got you here?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Sure, that's such a great question and thanks for
asking me.
I will not be hiking today onthe trails near my house because
it's not as cold as where youare, but it is a bit chilly down
here.
We'll be staying tucked intoday.
Sounds good.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I'm a.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
STEM girl.
I'm a STEM girl from way backin the day.
I got my first microscope whenI was 10.
As only a 10-year-old girl canbe, I was immensely disappointed
with the light source.
It was a mirror and I just wasdisgusted by that.
I was really quite insultedthat that was the best that they
(10:47):
could come up with.
Not withstanding that it wasthe early 80s.
I was a child raised by parentswho were teachers Okay, so
there are so many things thatwere sideways with that.
But eventually I did go on tomajor in biology and I worked in
a biosafety level laboratorybiosafety level three laboratory
(11:09):
for a couple of years early inmy career I was working with
microorganisms and I did get towork with high-powered
microscopes.
That met that need of my10-year-old self, who I suspect
could see into the future evenback then.
In addition to being a STEM girl, I've also been a clear channel
and intuitive since I was well,I just came in that way.
(11:32):
I'll just say, for example,when I was five I knew that I
was going to be a doctor andwrite books and I just would
know things without reallyknowing why I knew them.
I would know when I was havinga pop quiz and math class, I had
an essay completely downloadinto my brain as I was walking
(11:55):
from my study hall into theprincipal's office to write an
essay for a scholarship, andthat's just kind of how I lived
my life.
My family is intuitive as well.
We didn't have any language forit, though.
When I was growing up we justcould kind of read each other's
thoughts.
We could have entireconversations just
telepathically, and no one wouldthink anything of it.
(12:15):
We would just, all of a sudden,one of us would blurt out well,
what about that guy?
And everyone in the room wouldknow what we were talking about.
So I had all of these earlyexperiences with my intuition
just as a native part of who Iwas, but it wasn't until I was
probably 28.
I had my quarter-life crisiswhen I looked around my life.
I was married to my collegesweetheart.
(12:36):
We were living in Kansas City.
I had a good life.
I was working in biotech at thetime, but I really had this
kind of come-to-Jesus momentwith myself where I was like I
don't think that this is whereI'm supposed to be.
I wasn't in grad school, Iwasn't getting my PhD yet.
It was just one of thoseexistential moments where I was
(12:58):
like I think I'm living somebodyelse's life because this isn't
what I had seen when I was a kid.
So that moment put me on thistrajectory of leaving my college
sweetheart, getting divorced,going back to school, getting my
PhD in psychology andsimultaneously doing a
seven-year apprenticeship inspiritual intelligence and
(13:20):
intuition.
So I remember I said I was aSTEM girl, why I became a social
scientist.
Psychology was actually thearea that I could really sink my
teeth into when it came todoing research and to kind of
put a big bow on everything.
A lot of the work that I dotoday still, we can find the
(13:41):
roots in it, in who I am, how Igrew up, how I came into this
world, but also all of the workthat I did in my graduate
studies as well, around giftedand talented girls and women,
around the psychology ofcreativity, intelligence and
leadership.
I still use those tools andpractices, and even the lens
(14:03):
through which I work with myclients is really founded in my
graduate studies.
And, of course, the ADHD linkas well.
So I know you want to go intothat.
Maybe I'll just take a pausethere and see what comes up,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yes, are you still there?
Hold on a second, robin.
Ah, shit, are you still there?
Okay, you posed for a second.
All right, I was, it's my end,definitely for that one.
(14:43):
So, yes, definitely want to getan ADHD, because I feel like,
like, as I was telling you inthe very beginning, I've
definitely experienced that inmy life, being a high performer,
as a gymnast and you know,someone that I was interviewing
not too long ago brought this tomy attention because she was a
gymnast too, and she said, yeah,we can focus on things.
(15:03):
We were taught to focus onthings for a brief moment, very
intensely, and then we're on tothe next thing, and so it's kind
of hard to it's always beenhard for me to stay consistent
with one thing throughout mylife.
I always like to do differentthings, you know, and I guess
that's where the creativitycomes in.
But I think that's where thecreativity comes in.
And I think that's where thecreativity comes in, but it's
(15:26):
it's good to know that otherpeople are experiencing that too
, cause I used to beat myself upa whole bunch about it before
when I was younger, thinking, ohmy gosh, I can't get organized.
I, I, you know, I could barelyyou know, keep it together.
What's wrong with me?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Why can't I?
Why?
Why are other kids able to dothis and I'm not?
Yeah, that is kind of thehallmark of the gifted ADHD Girl
in particular.
You know, I'm Gen X and eventhe millennials, I think, would
say that they experienced thistoo.
A lot of us, as children, wereoverlooked.
(16:01):
I wasn't diagnosed with ADHDuntil I was in graduate school
and I was the one who initiatedthat diagnosis, because I was in
my internship and I wasassessing students who had ADHD
and I started looking at thecriteria and I was like, wait a
minute, that's me.
And then I took a quiz on WebMDand that was like.
(16:23):
Then it was like, okay, I needto go, go get a formal
assessment for this, and so that, to me, was a turning point.
Not everybody likes to identifyas having that diagnosis, but
for me it explained so much ofhow I operated and how I
functioned in the world up untilthat point.
(16:46):
I was a high performer too.
I ran track in college and Icould do all of these things
really well, but then I wouldlet things drop off and I would
forget about things and mycalendar was a mess, and you
know, and people would labelthat as she's careless, she's
messy and I have an emotionalregulation piece of that too.
(17:08):
So I used to be a golfer inhigh school.
I golfed on the high schoolgolf team and I was a pretty
good golfer.
But even that wasn't an unevenperformance, because when I
would get into a high-stakessituation my brain would
literally freeze up and I wouldget, I would totally lose all of
(17:30):
my focus and you know, then mygame would go to the pot and you
know the rest of the street.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I've experienced that many times in my life.
Like it's so weird.
I see things that you know, youknow, but you freeze up and you
just you can't think of what todo.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
You know, it's so weird, so just even if you think
about, like for you as agymnast, if you're on the beam
and you get distracted and thenyou fall, or how do you bounce
back from the fall.
I know that in gymnasticsthere's so much mental and
psychological work that goesinto the focus for that, but
that even that's a lot of effortand energy that somebody a girl
(18:07):
with ADHD has to put forth inorder to focus.
But one of the gifts is we canhyper focus.
Yes, as you know as well.
Right, wait, did you knowsomething else I want to share
this with you.
What's that?
Well, when I startedresearching ADHD, I was
simultaneously looking at thecreative personality.
And there's this woman who wasmy graduate school advisor's
(18:29):
peer.
Like her colleague, bonnieCramon, she was at the
University of Georgia and backin the mid 90s, I think, she
published up an articlecomparing the diagnostic
criteria for ADHD and thecharacteristics of the creative
personality.
And do you want to knowsomething?
They're the same.
(18:50):
They're the same.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Wow Really, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So, depending on which lens you're looking
through, am I looking at this aswhat's the problem or am I
looking at what are thestrengths?
If you're looking at one or theother, you're missing a part of
the puzzle that I think isreally important, especially for
high performers, which is it'sa both and and.
(19:15):
What I came to realize withthat is that, as when I was
practicing and as a psychologistworking with with high
performers, with gifted kids andthe middle school level and up
to the college level, whensomebody would come in and say I
want an evaluation for ADHD, Iwould also say yes, and we're
also going to give an assessmentfor creativity, because chances
(19:40):
are quite good that we're goingto see both.
I wanted to have the holisticpicture.
Too much of the time in thisworld we pathologize and we make
ourselves wrong for how ourbrains work, when in fact there
are some gifts in that that alot of people, a lot of
neurotypical people, don't haveaccess to that we do.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Wow, that's amazing, that's amazing and it actually
makes it.
It's very cool to know, becauseit's like, wow, okay, because
when you grow up like that andthe reason I was put in
gymnastics was partly because Ihad ADHD there wasn't medication
back then, thank goodness, butgymnastics was a way of helping
(20:23):
me also.
You know focus, but, yes, ittook an intense amount of energy
to do so, but it's also.
It is also really good to knowthat, you know, because most of
my life I thought my pro, myprocess was wrong or how I did
things was wrong.
I must like learn how to dothis, especially as an
entrepreneur.
You know, you hear all theseother people doing these things
(20:45):
like it seems so easy, butyou're like I can't do this.
You know this is not.
This is not the way I work.
This is not a process.
So I had to learn throughoutthe years what my process was
and then honor that and then I.
That's what I've been able todo, and I think it's important
because not everybody's going tohave the same process and
(21:05):
oftentimes they don't.
But it's good to know thatthere is some, some level of
higher creativity within all ofthis.
It makes it does make me feelgood, because it makes me think
okay, well, there is a.
There is a purpose for all ofthis, you know, and I find that
I have much better productivitywhen I have support like people
(21:28):
helping me and and providing alittle bit of structure for me
to follow through with thingsyou know that are creative, that
I want to create like this.
You saw me playing the ukulele.
I was, you know, talking abouta practice that I do at home
called vocal toning, and this ispartly how that I've got an
album coming out this Friday.
So this is how that all cameout right.
(21:50):
So, but I had to have somepeople in there helping me
structure it.
I had all the ideas to creativeenergy to make it happen, but
as far as the structure goes, Ineed help with that.
So that's kind of that's anexample of how I work and and
how I work Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So I think it's a collaboration you know it is,
and unfortunately, when we'reyoung.
So look at let's look at theintersection of being gifted,
and what I mean by being giftedis very it's very clear, just on
an intellectual level beingable to figure things out
quickly, make sense of thingsand know what to do about them.
The people who find their wayto me often were identified as
(22:31):
gifted and talented as kids kidsor elevated into advanced
classes, skipped grades.
Before there was.
In my day we didn't have gateprograms.
We had I got advanced readingclasses and things like that.
But when we have that level ofintellectual processing speed
available to us and we have anunderlying neurodiversity like
(22:55):
ADHD, one of the things thatbright girls will do is to mask
their disabilities, not becausewe're being sneaky or
manipulative or anything likethat, but just because we can.
We figure out workarounds,because this is a brain that we
have and we're going to figureit out one way or the other.
The challenge with that is thatbecause we mask our disability
(23:19):
I'm calling it a disability, butyou know what I mean Like it
can really get in the way of, itreally can get in the way of
productivity and creativity,even as we develop.
But when we mask our, when wemask these symptoms, the
challenges, that people thendon't believe us when we say
that we have it.
Oh no, you just need to focusmore, robin, you're just too
(23:45):
sensitive.
Well, I have it's called.
It's a new term RDS rejection.
Rsd rejection sensitivedysphoria.
It's really like it's a feltsensation of fear of rejection
If somebody says no, there'sthis literal.
(24:07):
Can you relate to this?
Oh yeah, like this painfulthing that you have to work
through.
It's actually a thing that I'veseen more recently in the ADHD
forums and social media.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's fascinating.
I did not know that, okay, so Ido relate to that.
Yeah, so we have worked withthings that we work around,
right, we work around them andI'm just sensitive.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
So I have to steal myself.
When I'm inviting people, likeI'm teaching an Akashic Records
level one certification class inearly March, one of my
approaches is always to tuneinto my intuition and see who I
see in that program and thenreach out to them and invite
them in.
You would think on the surfacethat's a pretty simple protocol,
right, you just invite peoplein.
(24:52):
But when you have ADHD, whenyou've got this sensitivity to
rejection, it's like asysophysian task sometimes.
So you have to work with theenergies of that as well as
you're realizing this aboutyourself.
So the point I want to just goback to the masking just briefly
, because this is something that, unless and until we really
(25:14):
acknowledge that this is a thingthat's going on in our brains,
I think that when we're tryingto fit in I've said this for a
while now when you're too welladjusted for your own good, it
usually means you're maskingsomething.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You're deploying your intellectual resources to solve
a problem internally withoutasking for help.
You have mastered that inunderstanding that it is a
collaboration and that you doprovide the creative energy and
the flow of it, but there areother people around it who hold
the container for you to be ableto produce something like an
(25:52):
album.
And congratulations, by the way, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That's so interesting too, what you talked about the
rejection factor, because I justassumed it was what I learned
as a child.
But that could be part of ittoo.
But I didn't realize it was apart of ADHD either.
That's so interesting becauseI've been going through this.
I do the same thing.
I will envision who would be inthe class because I teach this
(26:22):
class.
I also wrote a book which iscalled Finally Thriving and I do
a group program with it aboutthree times a year.
It's a 12-week coaching andcourse program.
I always envision first who Iwould like to ask and invite
into it.
Yes, sometimes people say no,I'm like it does.
I've gotten a lot better withthis, but at first rejection was
(26:46):
so hard for me and it stillisn't great.
But I would take it personallyfor so many years and I just
really had a hard time.
I just assumed everybodyexperienced it like that, but
maybe not as much, not as much.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Okay, one of the assessments that I give, the
assessment that I give is theNeo5 Factor personality
assessment.
It is the gold standard ofpersonality assessments.
I can give it because of mycredentials.
Personality exists on a normaldistribution curve.
People who have a profoundsensitivity to social exchanges
(27:26):
have even a social anxiety.
I would say even Most peoplescore about average on that
particular facet.
Then there are those of us whoare over on the tail of the
curve who really have a deepsensitivity to those
interactions and those exchanges.
Yes, to your point, there issome societal, cultural,
(27:47):
familial influences with theseexperiences.
But we can map it prettyclearly on the personality
profile to that sensitivity tosocial environments.
Being overly anxious aboutsocial exchanges and just having
a general sense of anxiety aswell on top of the ADHD can also
(28:08):
contribute.
There are a lot of differentinfluences that create the
conditions for the expression ofthat sensitivity in your
business to show up.
Now here's the thing whenyou're also very bright, you can
usually manage that pretty well.
But literally right before I goton this podcast, I was just
(28:30):
boxering with one of mymastermind buddies, elise, and I
was like what do I do aboutthis?
I'm feeling and I'm fillingthis class and what am I going
to do?
And here's where I landed as Iprocessed through it with her.
Here's the trick when youengage the energy of invitation
first, when you just sit in theenergy of invitation and you
(28:54):
start sending out invitations,if I say hey to you, you should
do this you're invited.
Even if you say no, it stillactivates the energy of
invitation and those people whoare going to say yes are going
to feel that vibration as well.
So it's not just a one-to-oneexchange.
It's embodying the energeticsof it which shift the
(29:18):
perspective, doesn't it?
So it's not about you sayingyes or no.
It's just as me being in theenergy of invitation and how
much that my brain just relaxeda whole lot when I even when I
was talking about that.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, that's something I've been practicing
too, but I didn't think of itlike that.
That is a great perspective.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Isn't that good?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
It's not personal no yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
It's so interesting that you also have gone through
that, because you're workingwith a lot of corporations, you
know, and that the corporatesector is very I would think,
very hard to deal with that.
So how have you dealt with thatin that arena?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Well, remember, I'm a STEM girl at heart and so the
organizations that I work withare largely tech and biotech
right.
So I work with execs at Nikeand Intel and you know all the
other big fortune, even Fortune100 companies, caterpillar and
so on.
And because I grew up with them, I went to an engineering
(30:21):
college at the beginning of myeducation.
I didn't major in engineering,I was one of the science majors
but I went there.
So I grew up around engineersand I just feel like that
particular set of people.
I'm just one of the family.
I'm different from them becauseI'm a psychologist, I'm not an
engineer, but they're my people.
So, for whatever reason, whenthey know I'm quirky, they know
(30:46):
I talk about intuition andenergy and that sometimes
they're like McKay.
Can we like not?
They don't want to talk aboutemotions, even.
But what's changing in corporate?
And one of the reasons why Iwork with spiritual
entrepreneurs andtransformational thought leaders
around bringing their messageinto corporate is because there
really is a call right now amongthe emotionally intelligent in
(31:11):
the corporate space to dosomething different.
They're tired of the grit,tenacity and hard work.
The last few years especiallyhave just weighed down on people
around.
There has to be a better way ofworking and living.
We've seen the greatresignation and the quiet
quitting, and now there's thiswave of layoffs that's happening
(31:31):
as well, that people like youand me, who are wired for this,
like we've already been throughour transformation.
We're on the other side of itand we a lot of times, can speak
their language.
If you worked in corporate atall, you know the language of
corporate.
You know probably what it waslike to be up at 3 AM emailing
your boss about something thatwas due at 8 AM or whatever,
(31:55):
like.
There are all of these littlenuances that the spiritual
entrepreneurs have access tobecause of our previous
experiences working in aBiosafety Level 2 lab, working
with the FDA later in my careerbringing a couple of new drugs
to the market, like.
Those kinds of things still arepart of who I am and I've
(32:16):
integrated those, so I speaktheir language.
But then I can take them beyondthe way that they've been
working in the past and intothis next iteration of how we're
actually meant to be working,which is a lot more creativity
flow, guilt-free work I think isa good way of saying it
Optimism, hope, that kind ofthing, and they're hungry for it
(32:37):
.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Wow, that's good to know.
Yeah, I want to speak a littlemore to this energy that's
coming in, because I've noticedit too and I've been talking to
people about it for some timenow.
This is like we're getting outof the striving, working
ourselves to death energy intomore of a creativity aspect, but
(33:00):
also just showing up in yourown energy being enough, like
you don't have to do anythingelse.
It's just like so liberating.
Also, maybe scary for somepeople, because we're used to
doing, and I would love to hearyour take on what is happening
(33:20):
energetically, because we bothknow that a lot is going on,
both astrologically and with thehuman residents, the solar
flares we're getting all these.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
The matrix Downloads yeah, all the things In
lightworker language, inlightworker language.
Yeah, that's exactly it.
So this is great.
I love talking about thisbecause I work regularly with
the leaders in tech.
They'll hire me privately even.
They don't even go throughtheir organization.
(33:51):
They just invest in themselvesand their future because they
know they want somethingdifferent.
And when I talk with them aboutthis new way of living and
working, innovation, creativityflow, optimism, hope all of
those constructs that come outof really positive psychology,
(34:11):
but it's also lightworkerlanguage they're in agreement
with that.
But they also have reallystrong programming around the
grit tenacity, hard work,busyness, productivity those are
a couple of other big things.
Some of them are internal.
They come from family messagesaround work.
(34:33):
In fact, one of my clientsrecently she's getting ready to
go on sabbatical, so she'soffloading some of her projects
and getting ready to do that,and she said the other day she's
felt this immense wave of guiltshow up, and so we explored
that.
I always look at those emotionsnot as problems to solve but as
(34:55):
invitations, invitation todeepen into something.
The guilt, for example, wouldbe an invitation to deeper into
the truth of who you are and tolook around and see what's not
in alignment with the truth ofwho you are.
So one of the things that, as Iwas reading, I'm a psychologist
(35:16):
by training, so it's sort ofthrough that lens, but I also
read the Akashic records.
I'm working in the energeticsof my people as well who come in
and sit with me.
So I was looking at it and Ireally recognize that a lot of
the energy around that guiltexperience that she had was
coming actually from the I'llcall it the corporate matrix,
(35:38):
the expectations that the systemhas set up for the people to
prove themselves to beproductive.
You've seen the memes about likemoving your mouse around on
your screen so that somebodythinks you're working Like
exactly yeah, I don't know whatthe F even is that Like I don't
anyway, it makes my eye twitch.
(36:01):
So when we extract her fromthat, from being connected with
that aspect of the corporatematrix, and if she's really
feeling like 80% of that, thatenergy of guilt is coming
externally from her, theexpectations of the organization
, not from her boss, who's veryunderstanding and supportive,
(36:22):
not from maybe a little bit fromparents like mom said, if
you're not busy or lazy, thatkind of thing but largely it was
actually from the structure,the systems and structure in
place within the corporate.
I'll call it entity.
When you extract from there,then you can just be in that
world, but not of it.
And now you can make decisionsbased on your own personal
(36:45):
sovereignty and the infinitefield of possibilities, rather
than on this limited field ofwhat the industrial complex says
that you should be doing in anygiven moment, on any given day.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, does that make sense, absolutely.
Yeah, it sounds like whatyou're saying is you can be an
observer and not participate inthe program.
Right, you can just see it forwhat it is Because, like you
said, there's layers and layersof programming that we have in
our society that manylightworkers and other people
have been working ondestabilizing, and then it's up
(37:25):
to the person to realize andbecome aware of the program
they're running on and decide tomake a different choice and to
live a different way.
So that's where the integrationhappens.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, it's something that you can't unknow.
You can't when you start reallydiscerning is this me or is this
outside of me?
And if it's outside of me, thenI can't process it first of all
and I can make a choice todisconnect from it and do the
right thing.
And I said to her she'sactually, she's got a team who
(38:01):
works for her.
She recognized this.
First she said I have aresponsibility to set a
different tone for my team, toset a different example for my
team and even if I'm not sayingI feel guilty about X, y and Z,
my team will be able to sensethat.
That's how emotionallyintelligent these engineers are.
I'm not like it's so cool tosee this generation, especially
(38:27):
the women engineers who arecoming in, are so emotionally
intelligent.
Many, many of them are actuallyhighly intuitive, even if they
don't identify that way, butthey're recognizing that as
they're learning to name whatthey're experiencing and then
seeing the influences tricklingdown into the ranks, which means
(38:48):
that she's actually setting atone for the future of
leadership, even in the techspace.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
That's amazing, that's what we need right now.
That's powerful and that givesme hope with the tech industry,
because I wasn't sure where thatwas going and I've talked to a
few people and tried to workwith a few people in the past in
the tech industry and some ofthem just don't have the emotion
(39:15):
.
It just didn't work becausethey weren't able to really
connect with themselves that way.
But it's good to know thatpeople are doing that and then
they're creating that awarenessand emotional intelligence, like
you're saying with that, andI'm guessing that's where you're
bridging the gap with you hadon here.
(39:40):
Why are lightworkers andspiritual entrepreneurs well
suited to serve the peopleincorporated?
And it sounds like this is whyand it can be possible that
people who are even in thatindustry are working as
spiritual or light people-they're undercover.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
They're undercover lightworkers yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
And I was too.
At some point when I was stillearly in my career, when I was
working in the pharmaceuticalindustry, after I had left the
biosafety level three lab, Istarted in pharma as a medical
writer and clinical scientistand doing that kind of work.
But simultaneously I wasgetting my PhD in psychology and
, as any high achieving smartgirl would do, built a house and
(40:25):
also studied spiritualintelligence for seven years.
Because why not do all thethings at once?
And so I would go to work andmy colleagues, my neuroscientist
colleagues, my pharmaceuticalchemist colleagues would come to
(40:46):
me and ask me for a very humanadvice and ask where I was
studying Reiki at the time.
Can I have a Reiki treatment?
So even then, while I was stillin that space, I was still
serving my higher purpose, whichis to anchor in light.
I couldn't have probablyarticulated that way at the time
(41:08):
, but I was really doing thatwork and also working my day job
.
So there are a lot oflightworkers who are still in
the corporate space, who are inthe closet around their
intuition, around the fact thatthey're a lightworker at all,
but they're behind the scenes,reading their Oracle cards and
studying astrology and studyinghuman design and coming to you
(41:30):
and coming to me and askingquestions and the barrier for
them really is.
I don't want anybody to thinkI'm weird.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
That's what I used for a long time.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, and then I was like well, actually being weird,
isn't that bad.
I read recently I don't knowwhere I saw this, but there was
a headline that what made youweird as a kid makes you great
as an adult.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Good, I love it.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I know.
So part of the mission in meworking with the lightworkers
who really are meant to be backin the corporate space doing the
kind of work that I do is thatwe have to get really
comfortable with our own lunasand we have to stop tolerating
the criticism about your tootouchy feeling.
(42:17):
We have to insist that thelanguage changes around.
Emotional intelligence, beingan air quotes soft skill, it's
actually a capability that asmall portion of the population
has immense access to, more thanaverage people do.
And when we stop nodding ourheads along and soothing
(42:40):
people's anxieties about touchyfeeling, emotional intelligence
or beyond intuition a Kashukrecords, when we get real
comfortable with that languageand bring that into them, that
gives them permission to do thesame.
This has been several years ago.
I was over at Honeywell doing atalk for the Society of Women
Engineers and one of my I loveher.
(43:01):
She was one of my clients for along time and she actually
brought me in.
She was a leader over there andI did my talk I think it was on
burnout and I used the wordenergy at some point.
This was pre-COVID and it'sprobably 2018.
And afterwards she came up tome and she's like so you're
using the energy, word huh.
And she's like yes, I am.
(43:24):
Another time I was over at Inteldoing a talk for another group
of women engineer leaders and Isaid I was doing a meditation
and suddenly I said and breathein love and grace.
And I was like shit.
I just said that and I'm likeno, I'm standing in that and
afterwards a woman came up to meand she said she said you're
(43:45):
intuitive, aren't you?
And I said yeah, I am.
She said I need to work withyou and she hired me and paid in
full.
In a way we went.
So there is something when thepeople who are meant to work
with us, who are in that space,are going to see us because
we're going to speak in somewhatcode, but we have to be able to
speak that other language aswell in order to accommodate
people who are still kind ofbehind the curve in terms of
(44:10):
being able to speak the languageor even recognizing that it's a
capability that is meant to bemaximized.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, do you feel like the energy that, as we went
through this energy shift, thepast couple of years especially,
I feel like it catapulted a lotof people into this, whereas
before they would have been alot more off put by it, and now
they're more open to it, and Ifelt instantly more comfortable
(44:40):
in my own skin talking aboutthis stuff, whereas before I was
in the spiritual closet foryears as a trainer, not really
talking about health and evensometimes.
I remember my early years eventalking about organic food
sounded crazy to people and theywere like what?
That's not even a thing.
I'm like it is Promise, it's athing.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Eat your vegetables.
That aren't straight with DDTLike organic is different than
conventional.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Trust me, they're like no, no way.
They didn't believe me and Iwas like, wow, ok, so, and this
was back before like organic waseven known like it is.
There was no whole foods, butyeah.
And then so I come into thisplace in my life where I've been
doing all these things foryears Energy work and all these
(45:31):
spiritual practices and reallydiving deeply into wellness and
how it bridges with theenergetic and getting into
energy healing and all thosethings too, over the years, and
finally I'm like I'm doing this.
I'm going to start just outingmyself and be just show people
(45:54):
who I am, because I was just sotired of hiding for so many
years.
I felt like that was hidingparts of myself.
And, granted, you meet peoplewhere they're at yes, absolutely
.
And at the same time, like youwere just describing, robin, is
sometimes you just when youchannel that energy and you're
going to say the right things tothe right people and then
(46:15):
building that trust around thatis also key Is learning how to
trust yourself.
right, it is yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
From the time I was a little kid, my mom had this
thing that she would say to mecan you just be yourself?
And I didn't know what shemeant by that, and I'm not sure
that she did actually either,because remember I was talking
about that neo personalityprofile.
There's one aspect ofpersonality that is called
openness to experiences andthat's really the hallmark of
the creative personality.
(46:42):
It's highly imaginative, has alove of beauty and aesthetics,
has a deep connection with herown emotions and the emotions of
other people, can read the room, basically has a great sense of
adventure, challenges thestatus quo as a lifelong learner
.
That's kind of the crux of thatopenness.
(47:03):
So how that looks when you're akid is like I was fascinated by
people from Britain, so anytimeI would hear like a sense and
sensibility, I would pick up onthe accent.
And then I would meet peopleand I would pick up on their
accent.
My best friend moved from SouthDakota to Florida and then
suddenly she had a Floridianaccent and when I was with her I
(47:24):
would sound like her and my momwould always say can you just
be yourself?
Well, what I didn't understandis that I had a very open
personality that could just takethat in.
I was creative, so I could hearthat my language centers were
very active, and so I could justimitate even my French accent.
My French accent is better thanmy French by far, Wow.
(47:47):
So I say this don't ask me todemonstrate, though, because my
French is terrible.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
What does a Floridian sound like?
There's just lots of y'alls inSouthern, like Georgia, georgia,
florida.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, she was in Tallahassee, so it was kind of
that Georgia-Florida kind ofsituation.
But the being yourself rememberI said a while ago, sometimes
you're too well adjusted foryour own good.
When you can mask who you are,you become a chameleon or you
become a shapeshifter, and thatis a gift.
(48:22):
If you're going to be a spy,like in World War II, that's a
really good skill to have.
It's also highly protectivewhen you have we'll call it, I'm
going to call it the witchwound around.
Maybe there was another timelineyou were on that.
You were burned at the stake ortried as a witch and drowned.
(48:44):
You were found innocent andalso dead.
And so all of these experiencesthat women have had across
lifetimes, with our intuition,with our spiritual intelligence,
with our healing capabilitiesthat go beyond Western medicine,
it would be natural for us toprotect ourselves.
But here's the thing is now.
There's never been a safer timefor us to be fully ourselves,
(49:09):
first of all.
Secondly, I was having thisconversation my guides.
So I'm a clear channel.
So I channel all kinds of workin the Akashic records.
I channel my guides.
And when I walk Cooper, mygolden doodle the guides speak
to me through my voice.
So I'm talking out loud duringmy during my walk with Cooper
and the other day we weretalking about dogs named Cooper,
(49:31):
cooper, cooper, mac.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
I used to have a dog named Cooper.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, that's a whole nother story.
I'll tell you how he got hisname, if we have time.
So I, with my PhD in psychology, being raised academically by
psychologists, I've still feltmyself distance myself from the,
from the psychology community,because I don't want them to
(49:58):
think I'm crazy, because I don'twant them to judge me, whatever
those stories are that we haveabout what people will think of
us if we actually show up asourselves.
And my guides reminded me ofthis.
They said, robin, how do youthink if you went to your
psychology friends, if you saidI'm a clear channel, what do you
(50:18):
think they would say to you?
And I said well, they'retrained to affirm my experience.
First of all, if we're going tolook at the DSM, the DSM would
say that hallucinations seeingthings that other people can't
see, hearing things that otherpeople can't hear is is really
only a pathology if it's outsideof a person's worldview.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Wow, okay.
So if it's so, I was raisedcharismatic Catholic, so laying
on of hands, healing, thosekinds of things were always in
my field.
They're part of my worldview.
So if I'm having thisexperience of being a clear
channel and having conversationswith my guides who other people
can't see, it's still in myworldview.
Is this?
(51:08):
I don't know why we're talkingabout this.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
I just like it's like a value that you have, like
yeah, yeah, so it's not crazyfor me to do this.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
It's integrated.
When I say I have a PhD inpsychology and I'm a clear
channel, that's me beingintegrated.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Oh, absolutely.
I think that's the best of bothworlds.
And it's balancing too, becausea lot of people are way over
too far in the other directionand no, but everything you were
talking about is just like.
I feel like you're talking tome, robin.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yes, I am talking to you because if you look at the
witch wound, if you look at,like any time, a woman, there is
a lot of crazy making in this,in this world that we live in.
Let's be honest, and I learneda long time ago that there's a
fine line between being psychicand being psychotic.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yes, I've thought about that too, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
And if you look at the energetics of it, we have to
ask the question what are youchanneling?
So, if you have diffuseboundaries, if your body is in
bad shape, if you haveunprocessed, unresolved trauma,
if you've got a geneticpredisposition for a bipolar
disorder, like there, are all ofthese things that would create
(52:23):
the conditions for a psychosisto arise clinically.
But if you have none of thosethings, if you're healthy, if
your body is fortified, ifyou're eating your organic foods
and having a, if you have aclear channel, the frequencies
that you're going to be able tochannel, like you with your
music, are going to be high,clear and sweet.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Right, because it's coming from a pure place.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Exactly.
It's coming from a pure place,but if your body is, how do I
want to say it?
I was going to use the worddirty and I don't mean it like
pigpen, but if you're not if youhave fields.
Yeah, if there's density, ifthere's holding on emotions or
yeah, and even if you thinkabout it like I've gone through
periods of anxiety anddepression, I'm channeling that
(53:11):
too.
Everything is channelingthrough the field of anxiety and
depression then, and then I'mvery capable of going down worst
case scenarios into the badneighborhoods of my mind.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Right, yeah, and it's a matter of becoming more of
that observer in your life andjust like noticing it come
through like, okay, this iscoming through, all right,
you're not resisting against it,you're allowing it.
And it's more of that feminineaspect of yourself that is just
(53:42):
letting yourself go with theflow of the energy.
And that's how you become theclear channel and you continue
to let go of that density as itcomes through, because it's
coming up for a reason, right, Imean it wants to be, it wants
you to let it move through.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
To transmute it, to alchemize it, to use it as an
invitation.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Rather than being in the problem reaction solution
triad.
Why don't we just look at ifI'm feeling anxious.
What is it an invitation to dowhen I'm feeling bored or
unchallenged?
It's probably an invitation tocontribute, to get creative, to
change my energy up.
Those are the things.
(54:24):
So it's the angle that we'relooking at the experience from,
rather than pathologizingeverything.
So my point to wrap that pieceup about how can we shift things
as light workers going into amore traditional corporate space
is why don't we just ownourselves first and be super
(54:45):
clear about who I am and superclear about what my mission is,
and then it doesn't matter whatyou think about me or what I
have to say.
I'm a truth teller and I'mgoing to tell the truth, and the
truth creates glitches in thematrix.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yes, yes, and it's already happening.
I mean it's interesting ThingsI've noticed and heard people
talk about is like it's likethat, the book I've ever read
the book Truth vs FalsehoodYou're going to see the
falsehoods and everything, orthe truth of it, immediately,
(55:23):
whereas before it might havebeen masked in a lower density
kind of dimension of realitythat we were in before.
Now the veil like when they saythe veil is getting thinner.
That's because now you're goingto be able to see the truth of
what everything is.
There's no hiding it anymore,and so that's, I feel like what
we're stepping into, right, yes,that's discernment, and there's
(55:48):
a difference between skepticismand discernment, isn't there?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Skepticism actually, in my experience, will block,
and even critical thinking willdo this too, will block my lived
experience.
Skepticism, critical thinking,outsources my inner knowing and
says but what do they think?
What would she say?
What would he say?
What would that person say ifthey knew?
That's the skepticism.
(56:18):
The discernment is.
This is my experience.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Right?
Yeah, it sounds like thediscernment honors your
experience.
The skepticism is concernedwith the judgment of others,
right?
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, and it gaslights your experience.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
There's perspective, exactly, exactly.
It gaslights you and then youcan never really see things for
what they are.
You're always coming from thisdifferent lens, right of seeing
it.
And that's why the self-work isso important, because we want
to be able to come from a verypure perspective, so that we can
kind of come in with more of itUnconditional love for
(56:53):
ourselves, and then you can justspill that out to others, so
like for lightworkers.
Traditionally they've been likethese warriors, these saviors in
the narrative right, but really, like you said, you're nailing
it.
They are not.
It's about you showing up asyourself fully, and it's purity,
(57:16):
and then that spills on toothers and then they are
inspired to be themselves andthen you don't have to rescue
anything.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Exactly, I've got my business coach is Jennifer
Lawnmore and she is she's afounder of a Cashick Records
System, a soldier in the newsmethod.
I've worked with her for fiveyears.
She comes out of forensicsocial work and now she's got
you know, an eight-figure andjust.
She's quite remarkable ineverything that she does.
(57:42):
But one of the things that Ilearned from her over the past
three years, in this littleCOVID era that we've experienced
, I call it the Great Awakening.
She said you can be a life raftor you can be a lighthouse, and
the difference is the angle.
Are you going to still be inthat victim, persecutor, rescuer
triad?
You know, wonder Woman isalways the hero.
(58:04):
But when we position somebodylike Wonder Woman or a light
worker, one of us, as the hero,there's always got to be a
victim then and there's alwaysgot to be a persecutor, a bully.
But when we shift from thatkind of life raft scenario the
hero is the life raft into.
I'm going to be a clear signal,I'm going to be a clear channel
(58:24):
.
I'm going to be a lighthouse,and a lighthouse just shines.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Right, I love that, and if people don't?
Speaker 2 (58:32):
like how bright the lighthouse is, put on some
sunglasses, but don't dim yourlight, because your job is to
shine, and that's actually, Ibelieve, what the light workers,
the light warriors, the lightambassadors are here for is to
just shine.
That shifts things more thananybody else.
It gives other peoplepermission and activations to
(58:53):
shine as well.
So in your upcoming launch ofyour album, that's an
opportunity for you to shine andfor your light to be carried
out across the field and toshift people in some way.
The activations in your music,I sense, are going to be very
powerful for the people who arelistening to the music.
(59:15):
So everybody buy the album andlisten.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
Thank you so much, robin.
I feel that too.
It's a little bit like surreal.
I'm serious, that just camethrough.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
That was channeled.
Wow, you're welcome.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
No, that was channeled, those are activations
.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
Those are activations that are coming through.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
That's what I was.
What kind of?
Speaker 2 (59:32):
music, is it?
Oh it's, I don't even know.
It's like a diff.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
It's like there's frequencies that are put that
are in each song, but it hasspoken word, it's my voice and
it's also some singing and butdifferent, different songs have
different frequency.
I'll send you the link if youwant to check it out.
You do?
Yeah, and it's that's.
What I feel like I'm going intois less of a.
(59:57):
I mean coaching for a long timeand serving people that way,
but I have like hid myselfbehind the coach role and now
I'm like, you know, I just feellike I've worked so much in my
life.
I just feel like being rightnow.
I just feel like can we just bein each other's energy right
now and enjoy that, you know,and that's that's what I'm
bringing to the table, likeinspiring people through play,
(01:00:20):
like how can you, you know, dothis channeling, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
I mean the things that you're channeling.
I want to have you on mypodcast.
Okay, it's called becoming thechannel.
It's called becoming thechannel.
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Yeah, I've been doing a lot of channeling this past
year, for sure.
Yeah, yeah it's.
It's amazing when you can justbe a clear vessel.
What comes through it alwayssurprises me.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
That's how you know, that's how you know is it always
surprises you?
And so, just to come back tothis ADHD link right, we have
these brains that are unusual.
We have these brains that areconnected to higher levels of
consciousness, that have thecapability of tuning in.
(01:01:06):
One of my guides said yourbrain, your nervous system, is
like a radio antenna, and whatfrequency are you tuned to?
Yeah, and so when you have,when you're, a clear channel,
you get to choose.
What am I going to tune intotoday?
Joy, creativity, the field ofinfinite possibilities.
What am I tuning into today?
(01:01:27):
And you just send up the signaland it's right there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Ah, that's, it's so simple, right?
It's just so amazing that wehave access to that.
That's so simple.
Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Yeah, so, yeah.
So, if you know, if we were togive you the Neo, I would guess
that you probably score veryhigh on open, as you're probably
, you know, in a room of ahundred people or even a
thousand people, one of the mostopen people in that space and
you probably, you know, thedistractibility would probably
show up as well, or the daydreaming would show up as well.
It's not diagnostic for ADHD,but we can sure predict it based
(01:02:00):
on how the personality is wired.
And the reason that's importantfor for the those of us, those
of you who are listening to, isthat if you have ADHD and you
haven't been assessed yet or youdon't know for sure what's the
other side of that, the way toget at that in part is by
looking at the personality aswell and looking at what the
strengths of the personality areand why you are the way you are
(01:02:22):
.
A lot of us are called to bechannels.
Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah, so you're you're saying, when I hear you
saying, robin, is that peoplewho have, who are channels, are
more likely to be ADHD.
Is that what you're saying?
I think so.
I think so.
Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
I never, I never think of it.
I don't.
You know the research, I'mstill a scientist and I'm like,
okay, can I say that?
And like this data bear it out.
Well, the the evidence thatI've seen in all of the people
who I've interviewed and testedaround, they identify as I'm
intuitive, I'm a channel, and Ilook at their personalities and
(01:03:02):
then we ask about ADHD and those.
Those things seem to be linked.
So you have to have ADHD.
Do you have to have ADHD inorder to be a channel?
Probably not, but there is aneurodiversity that I think you
would find present.
Also, and one of the keys isrecognizing, like if you're, if
(01:03:23):
you're feeling like you're toowell adjusted for your own good,
if you're masking some of thesesymptoms or some of your
abilities, God forbid.
You mask your abilities, yourcapabilities, your gifts,
because that's what you camehere to share and that's what
needs to come forward now, andI'm glad you're sharing yours.
Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Thank you.
Well said, I love it.
Thank you so much, robin.
If you would please leave mylisteners with a way to find you
, connect with you, whateveryou're offering at the present
moment as well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
So a couple of things .
Usually on podcasts there's oneor two people who just know
that they're meant to work withme and if you're one of those
people, you start the process bybooking a call, just a a
consult with me.
So you go to drrobinmccom,forward slash call and that
takes you to my schedule.
You just get on my calendar forthat.
I'm on Instagram, drrrobinmc,and TikTok is really surprising
(01:04:19):
me with how fun it is to be overthere.
Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Okay, I'll try it then.
So I'm over on TikTok as well.
I've been avoiding it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I know, but there's something I actually just posted
on are you too well adjustedfor your own good?
How to?
How to tell if you're too welladjusted for your own good?
And it is.
I'm not joking, I'm notexaggerating when I say it's
blowing up.
I'm like holy smokes, like whateven is this?
So it's been fun to connectwith people who are raising
their hands and saying, yeah, Iam, I'm intuitive, I'm smart and
(01:04:49):
I'm too well adjusted for myown good.
What do I do about that?
So you can find me on either ofthose platforms.
I'm on Facebook, of course.
Becoming the channel is myFacebook group.
That's the.
That's the official home of thepodcast, and you can find my
podcast becoming the channelwherever you listen to those.
Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
So that's it.
Well, thank you so much, Robin.
This has been an incredibleshow and so amazing to connect
with you.
Thank you for all your insightsand your wisdom that you shared
today.
I appreciate it so much.
Thanks for coming.
Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
You're welcome, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I believe bliss is a spiritual experience and you
can't find this without firstlearning how to play, make
mistakes and have fun, fun.
But it's hard to experiencebliss until you've learned how
to surrender to what you cannotcontrol, control, control,
(01:05:49):
control, control, control,control, control.
It's more fun to roll with lifemost times and, of course,
control what you can, but let goof what you cannot and hand
that over to the universe oryour higher self, self, self,
self, self, self, self, self,self, self, self, self, self,
(01:06:11):
self, self, self, self Self.
Our joy lies in the idea thatmany times, life does not unfold
the way we always expect ourplan, but it does unfold the way
(01:06:34):
that is right for each of us,giving us exactly what we need
without losing anything.
Oftentimes, the result is evenbetter than what we could have
ever imagined, ever imagined,ever imagined Because we opened
ourselves up to infinitepossibility, possible, possible.
Embracing the unknown in yourlife is like watching a good
(01:06:57):
movie and waiting for the nextclue as to what could come next,
with curiosity and excitement.
Curiosity and excitement.
Curiosity and excitement,curiosity and excitement.
What you discover along the wayin your life is important,
important, important, important,important, important, important
, important, important,important, important, important,
important, important, important, and it all relates back to you
(01:07:18):
being able to see the beautyand bringing awareness to the
synchronicities, thesynchronicities.
Your life is your greatest workof art.
We are all artists in that wayand you get to create your life
any way you like.
That's the fun part, and havingfun, I believe, is a spiritual
experience, experience,experience, experience,
(01:07:38):
experience, experience,experience.
Your life is your greatest workof art and it all relates back
to the synchronicities,synchronicities.
Having fun, I believe, is aspiritual experience, experience
, experience, and it all relatesback to the synchronicities,
(01:07:59):
the synchronicities.
Your life is your greatest workof art and it all relates back
(01:08:24):
to the sacred mystics, thesacred mystics.
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