November 11, 2023 • 67 mins
Imagine being a billion-dollar portfolio manager and partner to hedge fund legend Paul Tudor Jones but feeling something was missing from your life. That's the crossroads my guest, Jason Pickard, found himself at.
Jason shares his transformational odyssey from the adrenaline-rush of Wall Street to a more balanced existence. Today we delve into his unique approach to wealth and wellbeing through his Abundance Archetype Method.
What if I told you that there's more to life than just the monetary success?
Jason who was once a dedicated advisor on Wall Street certainly thinks so.
Jason shares...
- How he redefined abundance beyond a fat bank account to overall life fulfillment and career satisfaction.
- Unearth the profound intelligence inherent in nature, our bodies, and the concept of abundance.
- How to turn life's curveballs into stepping stones to our inner growth.
- In the realm of wealth though practical rituals, discover how aligning with your true nature can nurture your inner abundance.
Ready to unlock your unique abundance?
Jason guides us through his ingenious eight-step model that begins with understanding unconscious belief systems and ends with exploring ways to access flow states. He also reveals the secrets behind his mentorship program that focuses on living in alignment with your true self.
Lastly, we dive into the profound concept of surrender and joy in spiritual experiences, embracing the unknown, and finding beauty in everyday life. Get set to be inspired, enlightened, and start living out your fullest potential.
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Hello everybody, welcome to theshow.
I'm so excited you're here.
We have a wonderful guest today,jason Picard, and I know him
through Paul Check and otherpeople in the Check group as
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well and other various groups,that he's just been in my circle
for quite some time now, so I'mso excited to have him on the
show.
He is amazing at what he does.
He's very wise, as he'llexplain it today's show.
He has dove deep into his owninner work because he you
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started out in the financialdistrict on Wall Street and he
shares his story today and howhe started putting together the
pieces of the puzzle in his lifethat brought him to a place of
really valuing his health in away that went beyond just eating
right and exercising, becausehe ended up losing a ton of
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weight and really got healthy.
But he took it beyond thatbecause he was feeling, like he
explains today avoid in his life, which many of us do.
When we change our bodies soquickly and then we're like what
you know, then you kind of fallinto patterns, old patterns,
because it feels like there's avoid there.
There's nothing to fill thevoid with a new thing that
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you're stepping into, the newversion of yourself as he
explains it.
So he went into this deep diveof spirituality and many, many
different ancient healingmodalities as well, and so he
brings a very interesting andunique flavor to the mix with
today's show and how he putstogether the holistic
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perspective on wealth and health.
And so he's experienced, as heteaches people how to do this in
his class, the abundancearchetype, and he's going to
share more about that in today'sshow.
So, without further ado, it ismy honor and my pleasure to
introduce you to Jason Picard.
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Everybody enjoy your life isyour greatest work of art.
Welcome to integrate yourself.
Everybody.
I'm your host, alison Palau,and you can find me at Alison
Palau dot com and, finally,thriving book dot com.
Today I am here with JasonPicard.
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He became a billion dollarportfolio manager and partner to
hedge fund legend Paul TudorJones at Tudor Investment by the
age of 26.
He was recognized as one of thetop 30 traders under 30 years
old in the world.
Yet his health was an absolutein absolute decline and he was
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330 pounds and suffered from amental and physical health
crisis.
On a quest to become a masterof both his inner and outer
worlds, he decided to travel theworld, spending thousands of
dollars and studying forthousands of hours, learning
directly from the greatestmasters of a wide variety of
healing arts, martial arts,holistic nutrition and movement,
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cutting edge psychology andwisdom traditions of the East
and West, ancient, indigenousand contemporary.
He has now integrated thewisdom gained on his journey by
creating the abundance archetypemethod to help you discover and
actualize your supernaturalcapabilities to create wealth
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and well being in your life, tothrive at work while also
feeling your best.
This, in turn, will give you agreater sense of your reason for
being alive at this pivotalmoment in human history.
Jason, welcome to the show.
I am so excited you're here.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
It's so good to be here.
Thank you for that beautiful,warm welcome.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You are so welcome.
You have such an incrediblebackground and experience in
life and I'm very excited foryou to share that with my
audience today.
I'd love to get started on yourstory and just share more about
how you got here.
You've been on many podcaststalking about this, especially
Paul's podcast.
(06:54):
I know you worked with Paulone-on-one for years and you
still do and you still do yeah.
So it's so interesting, comingfrom a background of Wall Street
, if I'm not mistaken and thenbringing and realizing your
health is in a crisis and thentaking the steps to really heal
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yourself and balance it all out.
So I'd love for you to shareyour story of how you got to
where you are now.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah Well, you touched a little bit about that.
But just to go a little bitdeeper, I thought I was living
my dream life.
I was 26 years old and I hadthis dream from when I was a
young child to be this big WallStreet legend.
And here I was, 26, ranked top30 under 30 in the world.
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When I was about 12 years old,I set my sights on wanting to
work for Paul Tudor Jones andhere I was, becoming the
youngest partner ever to him andhis firm.
And despite all of that,despite all of that financial
success and accomplishment, Istill really felt quite broken
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and broke on the inside.
I was 330 pounds.
I was in a state of mental,emotional, physical, spiritual
crisis and at 26 years old Irealized I'm not going to live
very long if I keep this up.
And there was a deep emptinessthat I had.
And around that time I met aCzech professional in New York
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City, just by the grace ofdestiny.
Really I didn't know anythingabout Paul Tsecker's work.
This was 2006.
And I started exercising likecrazy, really what you would
imagine would be sort of a 24seven CrossFit lifestyle, just
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grinding it out, you know,sweating, and just real hard
work, which, for better or forworse, was what I needed at that
time, and I just drove theweight off over a two year
period just by working really,really hard.
It was a very challenging twoyears, but it started to really
grow and feed on itself and Isaw the momentum and I'm like
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all right, I got this thing andover the period of two years I
lost 170 something pounds.
And then I was there, I was 160pounds and I look in the mirror
.
I didn't even recognize theperson that I was.
I didn't even know who I waslooking at, which was a really
interesting thing, because themind goes much slower, I found,
than the body my body was nowwas now looking lean, but I
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still imagine myself probably,you know, 30 or 40 pounds on a
lag from where I was.
But here I am and despite nowhaving the financial success and
actually the body that I alwayswanted, I still felt an
emptiness.
And so I had this really deeprealization that this sense of
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fulfillment, this deep innerpeace, this fulfillment, this
real success on all levels thatI was seeking didn't come solely
from my financial bank accountor my professional success.
It didn't even come only frommy body.
So what was this thing that Iwas looking for and where can I
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find it?
And that's when I met PaulCheck in about 2008 or 2009 and
realized that this missing piecewas the inner journey.
The inner journey into my heart, into my spiritual practices,
into my emotions, into my mindand really learning and
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embracing.
Despite all of the success andall of the education that I had
which was quite phenomenal Istill hadn't learned any of
those things.
I didn't know how to eat rightfor my body type.
I didn't really even know howto move my body in a sustainable
way.
I had lost 170 pounds but I wastotally fried.
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I had stage three or fouradrenal fatigue after that
because I didn't know how.
I hadn't had no sense ofbalance, I had no sense of
really how to have play orcreativity or joy in my life,
and I hadn't learned any of thatalong the way, despite being
educated at a top university andbeing very successful on Wall
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Street.
So that really started about a15-year journey of my inner
world and it started with Pauland I ventured out into all
sorts of fields where I studiedextensively and I integrated
that into my Wall Streetexperience for about 10 years,
becoming a very sustainable,successful, highly optimized,
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high performer and was able todo it in a way where I could
still nourish my body, myrelationships and my other
passions outside of work and bea big influence on others within
that space.
And this all kind of came to ahead for me in 2019 where I just
realized that I already kind ofclimbed that mountain.
I wanted to see if I could dosomething else.
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I wanted to sort of see if Icould be successful in another
field.
So I really kind of pushed thattrader aside, that Wall Street
guy.
I said, you know, I don't wantto be him anymore, I don't want
to know him, I don't want toeven want to think about his
skillset.
I want to go full on intocoaching and, you know,
therapeutic work.
And I spent another couple ofyears, you know, gaining
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certifications and going deeperinto all the things that I had
already done, but now exploringthem on a professional level,
only to find that my real talent, my real gift that I could
bring the world where I could beof the most service and where
there was the highest demand formy skills and talents, was
actually integrating.
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Both of those worlds wasbringing together the trader,
the wealth generator, with thehealer, with the well-being and
with the spirituality, and Irecognize that that's actually
what is missing in society.
We have a divorce betweenscience and religion and we have
a divorce between wealth andwell-being, or wealth and
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spirituality.
They don't seem to go togetherfor most people.
You know, we have people thatare really wealthy that don't
have very good relationships orhave crappy health or they're
not making a big impact on theworld in a positive way, and
then we have people that are,you know, deeply into the
spiritual world and have reallydeep well-being practices and
may have good diets andmeditative practices, but they
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don't really have wealth andhave a way to really express
that or make that big impact.
So I realized that by puttingboth of those parts of myself
back together, that that'sactually what I needed to teach
and that was sort of the impetusfor creating the abundance
archetype, which is now themethod that I've put together,
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where I teach my students how todo both of those things.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
That is so powerful.
And, yeah, I love how you pointout that there's so much
imbalance throughout people'slifestyles and well-being and
practices there, because, yeah,they're all important and it's
really just finding that balancewithin.
And that's so amazing that youdiscovered that after you
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started losing the weight,because so many people will kind
of go back to what they were,you know what they were doing
before, and they'll kind ofslide back and because they'll
feel that void and then they'llbe like, well, I'm just going to
start going into my oldpatterns that got me here and
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overweight again, you know.
So, instead of, like, lookingin the inner parts of themselves
and discovering and exploringthat.
So kudos to you for going inthat direction, because that
takes a lot of courage, you knowit really does, and I'm also
helping people with those kindsof things through, you know,
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bridging the gap between thephysical and the spiritual
connection, because I'mrealizing over the last three
years how important it is toreally bridge that gap and
create a spiritual relationshipwith yourself, but not get so
out of body that you're, youknow, trapped in that spiritual
world, but coming back down toembody that abundance in your
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life and living right.
So that is amazing that you'reable to bring those two together
and help people and thenrealize that you know it's now.
I want to just be of service topeople.
You know, and it's a hard thing, I think, for most people to
step away from a job that'screating a ton of money for them
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, right.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, it was.
It was challenging, but Ireally felt like I knew it was
possible to generate a lot ofmoney again and do it in a way
that was more dream affirmativefor me and more in a way that
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was reciprocal.
I wanted to put my money wheremy mouth was, so to speak.
And so, you know, my quest wasto say, ok, yeah, I'm in this
career that's generating a lotof money, but it's I'm not.
I'm not into it anymore.
And with that I also recognizethat when you're not fully into
something, it was going to behard to generate that money.
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Because, you know, wall Streetis a career.
It's not like you make partnerat a firm and then you have this
salary that just costs you intoperpetuity right.
Every day I woke up I had toessentially go hunting for my
lunch, and so you know to theextent that I wanted to be
involved in other things and myfocus wasn't there.
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I had so much respect for thehigh level of competitiveness
and focus that it takes to doanything well, including that
job.
Then I knew that if I was kindof half in and half out, I'd
probably just be wasting my time, and I kind of had this idea.
I said, all right, I can dothis job for maybe another X
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number of years.
Right, I mean, being a WallStreet trader in some ways is
sort of being like aprofessional athlete, and that
there is like an expiration date.
Yeah, right, you know, maybeit's 35, maybe it's 40, maybe
it's 45.
Very few people are able tomake a lifetime out of that
career, just like you know manythere's not that many Tom
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Brady's we could say.
Right, that can perform wellinto their later stages of their
career.
So I had this crazy idea.
I said, okay, yeah, I'm givingup money here in the short run,
possibly.
But what if I'm actuallybeginning to work on the career
that I can have sustainably forthe next 50 years?
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What if I'm getting a jumpstarton that and I'm looking at my
earning potential over the next25, 40, 50 year time horizon?
Am I really giving up money oram I beginning to work on that
now so that when all of my peersstopped doing their jobs you
know, 5, 10 years from now, at45, 46, 47, 50, they don't have
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anything to fall back on?
Yeah, maybe they've made somemore money than me over the next
couple of years, you know, andyou could argue at the expense
of what you know heart attacks,strokes, divorces, etc.
But you know, putting all thataside, even just from a monetary
perspective, I started to lookat this long term view that I
wanted to get started on acareer that I could do to the
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day I die and do it well, bepaid for it, make an impact and
enjoy it, and I didn't want towait any longer to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
That's amazing, yeah, it is.
I love how you seem to besustainable because, yes, at
some point you just get tiredand it's fatiguing and it sounds
like it's really stressful.
And again, what is trueabundance, anyway?
And so that's where I was goingwith this, like, what is in
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your opinion, jason and I'vebeen thinking about this a lot
myself is what really isabundance?
Because, yes, part of it ismoney, yes, but there's so much
more to it.
You know, it's about our lifeand how much we're really in the
moment and enjoying it in somerespects, and if we're doing
something that fulfills us inour life and we're honoring
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ourselves and we're actuallybeing able to notice all the
abundance that's already there,instead of feeling like not
enough or consuming more andmore and more, you know.
So that's what I'm feeling intoa lot more lately is just
acknowledging and appreciatewhat I have now and then
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creating more of that throughthat gratitude and that feeling
and inspired action it takes tocreate more of that in my life.
What is abundance to you nowthat you've gone through all
this?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That's the $64,000 question here of creating a
course on abundance, right, andyou know, I think you hit on
some really beautiful pointsbecause there's a lot of
research that shows that onceyou have your survival needs met
Now we're not talking about,you know, the 2 billion people
out there that don't have accessto clean food and water, right,
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or shelter or safety but onceyou have your survival needs met
, you have enough money to payfor food and water and shelter,
and you have safety and securityin your life and you, let's
just say, you have a stablepaycheck of some sort.
More money does not equate tolife fulfillment.
At that point, right, and weall have seen this, we've all
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seen the.
You know the archetypal Scroogeout there, you know, made
famous by the movies, but, like,we know people that have a lot
of money that don't seem happyor don't seem fulfilled, and we
see people that don't have a lotthat have a big smile on their
face.
So obviously those things arenot correlated.
Right, once you have yoursurvival needs met we're not
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talking about people that can'tcan't pay for their dinner
tonight or they don't know ifthey're going to be safe but
once you have that met, which isa large part of the Western
world.
Here, then you know, more moneydoes not actually equate to
that feeling of fulfillment thatwe're all searching for.
So when I was looking at thisword abundance, I always go to
etymological dictionaries that'sthis new habit of mine of being
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a word detective to reallybreak down what is the hidden
meaning, what are the realmessages in the word.
So abundance comes from theroot word under UNDA, and so you
could say that the first clueis that abundance is under us,
it's under us, it's in us, right, and abundance or under also
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comes from the Sanskrit wordVaruna, which basically equates
to the intelligence of water, orwe might say the water spirits.
In yoga it would be the deva ofwater.
But this idea that there'sintelligence behind nature Most
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of us have been really cut offfrom this intelligence.
We live in a world that wethink is quite mechanical and
random and purposeless, but thereality is there's so much
intelligence behind everythingthat we see and experience.
Even you know the intelligenceof our bodies.
Think about the trillions ofchemical reactions, or even the
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intelligence in a body symptom,or the intelligence in dreams,
or the intelligence insynchronicities, the
intelligence in the planets andthe stars, and the sun and the
moon and the way it's allorbiting each other with like
exquisite precision, theintelligence in the seasons,
intelligence in the plants andthe animals and the elements.
It can go on and on and on.
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And you know, we look at ournormal waking life and we
recognize that corporations, wewould think, have intelligence.
And we recognize that there aredepartments of intelligence.
There's a human resourcesdepartment, a marketing
department, a finance departmentand so forth.
And if we walked into abeautiful art gallery, we
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wouldn't think that the art justlike randomly got slapped on
the wall.
We would recognize that therewas some kind of intelligence
that curated and created this.
But we wake up and we look outat the world in the most
beautiful art gallery there is,which is our Earth, and we don't
recognize that there'sintelligence behind everything.
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And so abundance is linked tothe intelligence of water.
And, as you know and most ofthe people listening probably
know, we are water-based beings,right?
I mean, some people say we're70% water, other people say
we're something like 99% waterby molecular count.
But whatever way you look at it, we're mostly water and our
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earth is mostly water.
And so when we connect to thewater, the fluidity, the flow
that is within us that begins tolead towards affluence, being
able to be fluid in life.
And where that led me to is thatit's not about always being
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happy.
Happy comes from the wordhappenstance, which means to be
lucky.
If you study Buddhism or Taoism, you know that there's
polarities in everything andthat to have a momentary
happiness must mean that at somepoint, some sadness is coming
to have, given that any kind ofvalue right, the dark and the
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light go together, the night andthe day, the winter and the
summer, and so forth, that we'reliving in a world of polarity.
So it's not like striving foranyone's state oh, I'm going to
always be an ecstasy or I'malways going to be happy.
But what it is to me now isthat, no matter what life throws
at you, no matter what happensto you because there's things
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that are going to happen to youin your life that are out of
your control we can't controlall of life's events.
We can't control the parentsthat we had, we can't control
the bodies we had.
We can't control, you know, theCOVIDs happening or so forth.
You know all of these differentevents that are outside of us
Each day.
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There's things that we cancontrol and actions we can take,
and then we can't control ifthere's going to be, like an
accident on the highway in frontof us on our way to work, right
, I mean, the list goes on.
There's things that areuncontrollable with our karma
and uncontrollable with the waythe planets are grabbing us, you
know, through astrology and soforth.
But how we respond to those,how we respond to life, to the
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circumstances of life, knowingwho we truly are, knowing what
we stand for, knowing what islife affirmative to us, and
waking up each day and kind ofattuning to that resonance and
that frequency and making todaya day that I'm going to create
more beauty and harmony in theworld and really standing for my
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truth, no matter what lifethrows at me.
That's abundance, that, nomatter what you do to me, you
can't affect my mood or my vibe.
And one of the most beautifulways that you know you know this
because you express this isthrough music, right, and that's
why, through the practice ofchanting or mantras, it's waking
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up each day and like brushingoff the goo from the night
before and starting to lock into that frequency, that harmony,
when there's almost no betterway to do it than by singing and
by playing music and bycultivating that frequency and
then letting that be your guidefor the day.
And just one more example thatI've told before, but it's so
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powerful that I think I want tomention it, is that in Victor
Frankl's book A Man's Search forMeaning, he talks about being
in a Holocaust concentrationcamp and seeing Jews and likely
others from various faiths.
But you know a lot of Jewishpeople being marched into the
gas chamber and as they're beingled to their death they're
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singing songs of life that hetranslated, that their songs
were saying yes to life, andthis really shook him to his
core.
Admittedly, you know from hisviewpoint in the book, but also
me too oh my gosh, I would be somad, I would be screaming and
just in so much pain and likebeing such a victim mentality
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I'm imagining of like this is sounfair.
But the ability to say yes tolife in even the worst of
circumstances, that no matterwhat you do to me, you can even
take away my body, but you can'ttake away my soul, you can't
take away my spirit or myattitude to life, and I think
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that that's a long journey and avery kind of high state or high
ideal archetype.
You know this organizing motifor this source code or this
North Star, but that's what I'vegeared my abundance meter
towards.
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Is that?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Wow, that's amazing, yeah, and it's and that's what I
, in my opinion what the flowstate is.
You know, when you say water,it's like, yeah, this is we are
taking in that, taking on thatelement of water in our being in
life, and attaining that Idon't know if attaining is the
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right word, but just getting tothat place of you know, new
neutrality first, and thenbecoming loving unconditionally
to whatever comes our way andbeing able to, just like you say
, really appreciate life withthe abundance of life and be for
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life and stand in integrity inyourself.
That's that's so big, that'slike everything I feel like you
know.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, and with that I found that it's the connection
between wealth and well being.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I not either, or.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Right, I feel like we've been programmed to think
of wealth in a very scarcitymindset way, yeah, and so it
sounds like you're reprogrammingpeople to see it in a different
way.
And I love that because, yes,you look around the world and
you see people that don't havevery much, but they, they're
very content, they're very happy, they, they actually have an
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experience, more abundance thansome people with lots of money.
And I've always thought aboutthat like, wow, what is that
about?
And, yeah, now, realizing that,you know, as I got into my
holistic health journey andrealized that there's so much
abundance that we have accesswith our own healing, with our
own body, it's incredible, youknow, like you said, looking out
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at nature and seeing everything, all the symbiotic
relationships, and how it justkeeps going and and it doesn't
really, it only takes as much asit needs, you know, and then
it's, it's, it's fine, it alllike works together in all these
different relationships andit's kind of it's really amazing
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to watch.
And, yes, it's.
So it's us turning back into,like, what's natural.
You know what we have to reallylearn again what is natural,
because I think we've beenlearning for years what's
unnatural and thinking that'swhat's natural.
Right, and so it's coming backto what, what's organic, you
know what's true for the humanbeing.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
This is such an interesting.
Interesting point because ifyou look at nature, you
recognize, if you have a pulse,that nature, that nature left
alone, is naturally abundant.
You know, we all know, we'veread these reports that during
COVID, when we were all lockedup around the world into our
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homes, that and when nature hadtime to breathe, that all of
these particular areas werehealing itself naturally, right,
I mean, dolphins were comingback to places where they hadn't
seen, dolphins and wolves werereentering various places, and
you could probably breathe inBeijing, you know, and things
like that, like all, justbecause we weren't kind of
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mucking it up, you know.
So part of the problem is notthat nature is an abundance,
just that we're not distrdistributing the resources
appropriately.
But this whole concept ofrituals I find interesting,
because many of us, in ourfields, we wake up and we do a
lot of rituals each day, right,you know we have to work out, we
have to meditate, we have totake our cold shower or, you
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know, whatever it is.
I mean, we have a long list ofthings, right, that we have to
do each day.
But the question that you haveto ask is why am I doing these
things?
What's the point of them, like,what's the ultimate goal of all
these rituals?
And when you look at the wordritual, it comes from the root
word re, r-i and the re gives uscreativity and ritual and
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reading and writing andarithmetic and rhythm and also
rich r-i-c-h.
And this re is attached to therit-tom and Sanskrit, or the
laws of nature, and so the wholeidea of properly doing rituals
is to align ourselves withnature so that we can become
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abundant.
Like her, the sun is naturallyabundant, so when we have a
ritual of waking up with the sunand going to sleep with the sun
, we become like that, we startglowing like a sun.
When we connect with water,when we have a ritual around our
water, we can become water-like, abundant like water, and so
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forth.
And when you look at the wordwealth, it's quite an
interesting thing because, yes,the scarcity mindset and all of
our belief systems about wealthare quite disempowering a lot of
the times for various reasonsSocietally, culturally, our
parents, our early childhoodexperiences trauma around money
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and so forth, this idea thatmoney is inherently bad, money
is the root of all evil.
No, money is a tool of energyand how you use it, you can just
like artificial intelligence.
You can use it to create bondsor to cure cancer.
We could say right, and it goeson and on.
The same thing with moneythere's been great people with
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money, great leaders that havemade huge world change and have
been very terrible dictatorsthat have had a lot of money,
that have made a lot ofsuffering.
So it's really just a tool andthe more you have, the more
responsibility you have becausethe more impact you can have on
others with it.
But when you look at the wordwealth, it's quite fascinating
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because part of the problem withthe scarcity mindset is that
we're looking for this wealth inall the wrong places, that
we're looking for it on theoutside.
But in my course we firstrecognize that this wealth is an
inside job, it's an inside outexperience, and one of the first
lessons in my course we talkabout divesting.
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What do you need to let go of?
What police do you need todivest?
It's not about taking in more.
You already have it.
It's about scraping away theunnecessary stuff and getting
down to the root of it, and theroot of it's inside of you.
And when you track the wordwealth, it comes from the root
word of well-being, andwell-being comes from wheel and
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wheel comes from chakras.
So you mentioned thisembodiment.
So real wealth begins in deepembodiment in the body, in the
chakra system, recognizing theseenergy centers and having them
all turned on and being healthy.
And then, once these wheels areturning, we can then engage
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with the wheel of life andbecome naturally abundant and
reciprocal, like nature, andcyclical like nature, and we can
focus on net impact, giving andtaking equally, and when we do
that we have well-being.
And when we experience realwell-being on the inside, then
we can actually create wealth.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yes, I love that.
That resonates so much with me.
And when you say that, whatcomes to mind is you know, I
talk about this a lot is thatpeople tend to separate
themselves from nature.
But we are nature, we're partof it.
And when we start to realizethat more and more, then we
start to tap into what you'retalking about, like that balance
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, that harmony within us, toconnect the nature that is, our
bodies and our soul, you know tothe nature that we see outside
of ourselves, or that we theillusion of that it's outside of
ourselves.
But getting into the rhythm ofthat is true abundance.
And then, like you say, money isjust.
In my opinion, it isn't good orbad, it's just a tool of
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creation.
So you can create distortedlyor you can create purely, you
know, with money.
So it's just up to theindividual and their intention
behind that, I think.
So that is another way to lookat it, for sure, because, yeah,
people tend to blame money forall the problems in the world,
but it's not money's fault, it'sjust an energy, and the energy
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of wealth and health are verysimilar.
Like from my, what I've lookedat is you know, it's a very
similar energy and that's why alot of times I will, you know,
place health as like also a way.
When you build your health, youcan also build the wealth like
you're talking about too,because you have a better
relationship with the energy ofmoney too.
(38:03):
So, yeah, I love everythingthat you said was just spot on.
Yeah, it's just, that's great.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Thank you.
You know it's interestingbecause, from my understanding,
all of the great world religionswere all founded on money.
Research that Paul showed mewas that Jesus was given the
equivalent in today's value offour million dollars of
frankincense, myrrh and goldwhen he was born by the you know
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, visited by like kings andmagi's from across the land.
Moses was a prince, buddha wasa prince, arjuna was a prince,
muhammad was a very wealthybusinessman, married a very
wealthy businesswoman who was amerchant and became a
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businessman himself.
So where did this distortionhappen that in order to follow
these faiths or these spiritualpractices, we couldn't do it
with money?
When they all began with moneythemselves?
All of these great movementsbegan founded on wealth, but
somewhere along the line wepicked up this distortion that
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they can't go together, and Ithink that part of my work is
bringing that back together forpeople and making them more
aware of that.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, that's a great point to make, and do you think
that that distortion is meant todisempower people in a way?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
as it relates to that .
Yeah, I don't know exactly, butI would imagine it's sort of
the corporatizing of religion.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, where you know, like the difference between
Jesus and the church, or Buddhaand Buddhism and so forth.
And so yeah, along the way,we've developed these
institutions around thesemystical ideas and practices and
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we've made them sort of morefundamentally rule-based, and a
lot of them, I think, becamefunded by having the people give
money back to the institution.
I mean, the Catholic Church isone of the wealthiest
organizations in the world,right, and many of the other
religions are probably the same,so they're certainly not
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adverse to money.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
That's true Good point.
Well, there's this thing calledyeah, I think, as it relates to
religion.
Religion has been a very, verymuch created as a divinity
scarcity tool for people.
That don't, you know, itprevents people from realizing
that it comes from within, andthey're again led to believe,
(40:53):
just like with money, that it'sall outside of themselves, that
they have to access it outsideof themselves, and so it's kind
of all.
It is very similar, it's a verysimilar energy, that whole
scarcity thing.
You know, it's just like it canlook like many different things
for people depending on wherethey're at.
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It happens in spirituality allthe time, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
You know, carl Jung says that the purpose of
religion is to protect one fromthe true experience of God.
And that could be looked at in afew different ways.
In one way, what you're saying,but in that it's sort of a
distortion.
But in another way, there'sactually like a purpose to it in
(41:40):
that, like most people aren'treally actually ready to take on
the responsibility that, likethey are God, like that they are
the creators themselves, thatthey have to take responsibility
, that the buck stops here,fully individuating and having a
direct experience and nothaving a middleman or a middle
(42:02):
woman mediating their experiencewith divinity, but taking full
responsibility for it.
That it actually serves apurpose because most people
aren't ready for that.
That's a full on yes to lifethat most people aren't ready to
take.
And so if you're not at thatstage, it serves a purpose
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protecting you from that directexperience.
But then, as you progress andevolve, you may get to a point
where you have that directexperience or you're ready for
that direct experience and youmay no longer need the
institution anymore.
You become it.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I love that perspective.
I haven't thought about it likethat before, but that makes so
much sense because, yeah, torealize that it's coming from
within is very powerful andsometimes can be too much and
overwhelming for some people ifthey haven't done enough inner
work right.
So that makes sense.
That religion would be thatkind of step to that next thing,
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until you don't need it anymore.
That makes so much sense to me,yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, and there's all these different stages of
religion, right, there's likethe magical, magical, mythical
stage.
There's the modern andpostmodern, and we move up
through these different stagesuntil we get to an integral
stage where we may believe in aparticular style or lens of
religion.
We may have been grown up as aTaoist or a Buddhist or a Hindu
(43:26):
or a Jew or whatever, and we mayactually still feel an affinity
for that particular flavor, butwe see it as part of a great
world religion that is allcollaborating together to make
this whole big.
You know, maybe religion with acapital R, right, is we see the
(43:47):
piece of the puzzle and we'reactually bringing that piece up
and supporting that one piece,but only as part of a whole,
knowing that all of us need toshare our truths together, from
all religions and from allcultures, from all races, from
all perspectives, and that onlywhen we do all of that can we
actually find out the truth,because each one of us holds a
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part of it.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yes, yes, resonates so much for the day.
Thank you, oh my goodness.
Okay, so I do not want to endthe show without you talking
about your eight abundancearchetypes today.
I really want to cover thatbecause those are important and
it sounds like very foundationalto the class that you teach.
You're offering a new class,like you've been talking about
(44:35):
teaching, but what we're talkingabout is this class that you
have been teaching this year,and I don't know what class
you're on, but it's been verysuccessful, from what I hear,
and congratulations, by the way.
That's a really big deal andyou're and it sounds like you're
really attracting somewonderful students for that, and
(44:58):
I'd love to hear more aboutwhat your experience has been
with that too.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, thank you so much.
I mean, yeah, it's been reallyamazing to leave Wall Street and
to not know what I wanted to doreally, and to be exploring all
these things and having a fewdark nights at the soul, being
like what is my real purposehere?
Why am I here?
What am I trying to do withthis?
Am I crazy for leaving thiscareer and staying on that path
(45:25):
and, like you know, slayingthose inner dragons and meeting
various mentors and allies andovercoming obstacles and then,
yeah, now circling back withthis inner elixir that I've
cultivated on this hero'sjourney and now spiraling back
up and now offering that andit's just the biggest blessing
to be rewarded for that too, youknow, be rewarded for that
(45:46):
faith in the universe.
So, yeah, I created this coursecalled the abundance archetype
with freedom builders, who Ithink you know quite well.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
I actually I use them for my course as well.
Yeah, they're great.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Shout out to Mike.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Gonzalez.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Mike Schwartz and the rest of the team.
So, yeah, I love those guys andgirls.
They're amazing.
My wife, kara, is actuallydoing a course with a known on
amazing the energetics ofcooking and making very cool
easy for people.
But yeah, back to my course.
So I created the abundancearchetype and it's really my
journey in Wall Street and myjourney in in well being and the
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combination of those two.
So one huge part of the courseis developing a process to
defining your competitive edgeand finding what you're really
good at and developing a systemfor you to bring that out, but
not also professionally, butalso in relationships and in
your personal life.
And then we go through my eightkeys to greater wealth and well
being, or my eight keys tomastery, which are essentially
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the eight things that I foundthrough my years of study that
are essential to create flowstates and the ways that I got
to.
That was really it's a kind ofa long story but, in short,
studying yoga, and when Istarted studying astanga yoga
and the eight limbs to astangayoga, I recognized that what
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yogis were calling Samadhi, orthe ultimate stage, was
basically what we're callingflow and that people have been
cultivating this scientificallyfor thousands and tens of
thousands of years, ubiquitousin cultures across the world,
but particularly India, thatthey were creating flow state.
(47:31):
So I based my model essentiallyafter this, like tried and true
experiment that yogis weredoing sitting in caves, to
developing perfection in any onearea.
And so the first step in mymodel is really working on your
unconscious and your beliefsystems and finding out what you
really love to do, and I takepeople through a whole process
(47:53):
of doing that.
Once you do that and you knowwe do that by working on your
earliest childhood memories andyour earliest childhood dreams
and your earliest memories ofmoney and working through
visualizations and meditationsand belief system practices Then
we move into Paul Chex fordoctors.
Because once you, once you knowwhat you love to do and what you
have your dream and you've andyou've gotten out of the way of
(48:17):
your disempowering beliefs.
Now you have to actually fuelthat and take care of that body,
you know, but you have a reasonto do that now.
So now you're going throughPaul Chex for doctors, you're
moving your body appropriatelyfor your needs, you're eating
right, you're getting enoughsleep and you know all this
stuff and you're finding ways tocreate play in your life.
And then I focus on theimportance of posture, because
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in the third step of a strongeryoga, this is what they called
asana.
Now that's what we call yogaNow is basically we think of
yoga in the West as we go to ayoga studio and we do, we're
going to like how long can Ihold this plank?
Or how hot can I make the roomwhere?
Speaker 1 (49:00):
it's very competitive , right yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:02):
it's very competitive .
It's all about.
It's all about the posture and,oh, I'm going to do this longer
and stronger.
I mean it's not all like that.
But you know, the whole idea isthat the focus is not about the
belief systems, it's not aboutbeing in right relationship to
yourself and others.
It's.
I don't really hear much aboutdiet or balance of movement or
sleep or play and creativity andthings like that.
(49:24):
I mean, yeah, of course there'samazing yoga teachers out there
, but in a nutshell, it's reallyjust focusing on really just a
fitness aspect.
But that was what was taught inancient India to children in
kindergarten.
It's like, look, this is, thisis elementary school.
You got you got to know who youare.
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You got to know that you arethey call it an atma, or a soul
living in a particular body, andyou have to learn why you're
here, what you're naturally goodat, what do you love to do, and
we're going to create youreducation system around that.
Once you do that, you have torecognize that you're in a
unique body and know what kindof foods does your body like and
(50:06):
need, how much sleep do youneed.
You know how much movement andwhat type do you need.
You know what are your goalsfor that and what brings you
authentic joy.
And then, once you do that, youneed to be able to learn to do
whatever you're doing, but sitin a way that isn't going to
hurt your back, isn't going tosap your productivity, isn't
going to take your mind out ofthe flow state because you're
(50:28):
like your back's killing you,your legs are falling asleep,
your foot's in pain or whateverit is, and you can create
optimal breathing.
And that's three.
And so, once we do that, nowwe're in this state where we're
regulating our breathing andwe're beginning to move into a
state of coherence where we canharmonize our right and our left
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brain.
And so many of us in thebusiness world are really only
focusing on this left brain.
But there's so much moreinformation that I could go on
forever about and I think it'smore essential than ever in this
world of artificialintelligence.
That's literally a left braintool to access the potentials of
our right brain, listening tothe signals of our body,
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listening to the dreams ordreams at night, and accessing
the intelligence of our heart,and I take you through a whole
series there as well.
Then five we're moving up intothe throat.
It's essentially learning whatto say no to eliminating
distractions.
Where's your time going?
Where's your money going?
What do you need to eliminateand delegate?
What are your values?
What do you stand for?
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Six we learn how to have atension, flexibility, where now
we're learning how to focus onthings, but also how to have
open focus and to take in moreinformation.
All of these are really keys toflow states.
Finally, we're seven.
We're learning how to alter ourstate.
We all know, you know a lot ofpeople in this world know about
(51:51):
the benefits of altered states,whether or not it's through,
like drumming or plant medicinesor meditation or whatever
hypnosis.
I mean, there's a long list ofstuff.
But how do we do this?
In little mini, what I callmicro dose meditations at work,
ways to engage with the creativeprocess and alter ourselves
slightly so that we can accessthe information that exists in
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non-ordinary states ofconsciousness and then bring
them back in into our life.
And then, once we do that, we'rein eight.
We're in the flow.
We're moving into the archetype.
We're in the archetype of theinvestor.
We are becoming abundance.
We've gone from doing ceremonyto becoming ceremony.
We're in the archetype of themother, the father, the trader,
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the teacher, whatever it is.
And when we get into this stage, we recognize our importance in
the larger wheel of life andthe importance of using our rank
and power to empower otherpeople, to leave a seven
generational impact and toreally participate in the cycle
of life in a positive way.
And so that's it.
(52:57):
And then so the course is that,and then you know much, much
more that I can't even talkabout.
But in addition, I'm offeringpeople this mentorship program.
That is where I'm seeing hugetransformation, where all of the
people that take my course jumpinto two weekly, two calls per
week with me and other specialguest speakers from a variety of
(53:18):
fields.
I've had some amazing guestspeakers come in and we work
live through the material andmuch, much more in a community
of abundant seekers.
So I've created a little tribeof people.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
So that's so incredible.
Oh my God, I love everythingthat you're doing and it really
makes sense.
It's literally a flow state.
You're moving to the next thingwith flow, and just the energy
of it is so wonderful.
I had a question about, likeyou see, how long is the program
(53:51):
?
Is it three months?
Is it a year?
How long does it last?
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Yeah, so the program itself is an eight week program,
but I honestly I've beentelling people because you have
access to the material for life,you have lifetime access to the
course.
So really I encourage you to goat your own pace.
The information unlocks to youin over eight week period.
But you know, everyone hastheir own life circumstances.
(54:16):
They people have kids,relationships, jobs and stuff.
So I just encourage them to goat a pace that they can actually
integrate and enjoy.
But it's designed for eightweeks.
But some people can go throughit all in eight weeks and some
people might need, you know, 15weeks, 20 weeks or a year or 10
years I don't know depending onwhat pace they want to go at.
But you have lifetime access.
(54:37):
Anytime I update it, you getthat information and the
mentorship program is lastingfor one year.
So you have one year of about12 hours of live group coaching
potential a month in thiscommunity and we also share a
Facebook group together where wehave a lot of shared
experiences and you can hearwhat's coming up for people and
(54:59):
I post in there all the time andjust you know, prompting people
on different questions andreflections and things like that
.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
That's amazing, Wow.
Thank you so much, Jason.
That's just incredible servicefor people and I know that it's
going to help them so muchreally reach their own potential
and really get to that nextphase of their life where they
are in that flow state but alsojust enjoying their life.
I think that's so importantthat people miss, you know.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
I think it is so important because, honestly, our
flow follows our focus and ourfocus is following what we love
to do.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
You know.
So I mean, if you really wantto be great at something, you
have to truly love it.
And I think if anybodyauthentically, you know, looked
at some of the great masters ofany field, it's hard to find
people in any walk of life thatwere truly great at what they
did, that it wasn't their life'slove.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, I agree.
I agree you really have to loveit to be able to focus on it
and devote your life to it.
It's got to be, you got to havethat love for it, you know,
even though you might go throughsome stuff and learning curves
and that kind of thing.
But yeah, ultimately it's gotto be one of your first love,
there for sure.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, and each one of us has this unique fingerprint,
this unique expression of whatthat looks like for us.
And really getting to thebottom of that is really the key
to my course is recognizingthat we all have an individual
process, we all have individualdreams you know, not two of us
are alike in any way and reallyfinding what is that for you,
(56:54):
what is you know what?
What do you really love to doand what are you really good at
and what does the world needfrom you.
And then aligning all of thoseand doing it, not because you
know you're expected to do it orbecause your mom and dad told
you that you had to do this, orbecause you think this is the
way that things need to go, butbecause you truly you couldn't
live your life without doing it.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's called living in integrity.
I think, yeah, oh my gosh.
So please, before we go, jaysaid first of all, I want to
thank you so much for coming on.
This has been an amazinginterview and show today.
I really got so much out of itand hope my audience does too.
(57:39):
I'm sure they will.
I wanted you to just leaveeverybody with where they can
find it, find your course, whatyou're offering, as well as when
it's being offered again.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's quite easy.
You can just go to my website,jasonpicardorg, or on my
Instagram, jasonpicardofficialthe link is up in my bio as well
and when you get there, you cancheck out all of the different
things that we talked aboutabout my course and some other
things as well.
But the opportunity is that ifyou really feel called to this,
(58:15):
you can book a discovery callwith me for free, where you get
on a call with me on a Zoom for30 minutes and we just chat
about your life and yourexperiences and you can ask
questions about the course.
And if it feels good to you andin residence with your life and
it feels good to me becausethat's one of the things that I
learned is that I'm reallylooking for people that I feel a
(58:36):
strong connection to as well,or it becomes a headache that I
don't want either.
But yeah, if we feel a reallygood, strong connection, which
most likely we will, if you'recoming, if you're listening to
this podcast and you feel calledto checking me out on the
website and booking a call withme, then I'd love to have you
and I would be honored andprivileged to take you through
(58:56):
this experience and once we'reon that call.
We could talk about all theparticulars but how to make it
work best for you, and it'sessentially ongoing right now.
So I have people that are stilljoining into this.
You know, first cohort, andit's becoming sort of like a
mentorship program.
You know my kids go to likeWaldorf schools and sometimes
(59:17):
the there's kids three or fouryears older in the same group
and so, like, the older onesbecome the mentors of the
younger ones, and then theyounger ones eventually move up
and then they could, you know,have the perspective to help the
others.
And so I have people coming inat different stages and now
people that are have alreadyprogressed through can help the
others, and then you know oneday that then you'll become the
(59:38):
mentor and it creates like acommunity effect.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
I love that.
So the people who have alreadytaken it can just do it again
and support the people who arenew.
Is that how it works?
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Well, just because you know, people that started,
you know, two months ago, youknow, have made it through the
eight weeks, let's say, but theystill have 10 months left to go
on their mentorship program.
So somebody will just jump intothe existing calls and we
revisit stuff and we recyclethings as well.
But yeah, they're just a littlebit farther along in the
material.
(01:00:09):
But you know, we're basicallyall on this journey together and
everything, all of the callsthat I've done have all been
recorded in place in ourFacebook group so anyone can go
on there and actually access allthe old calls and have all the
guest speakers and all of thematerial that I brought in there
as well.
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
So very cool.
Well, gosh.
Thank you so much, jason.
This has been a delight to talkto you more, get to know you
more and for you to shareeverything that you're doing,
which is just so spectacular.
I'm just so happy to hear itand I'm happy for you, and you
(01:00:45):
know I just love seeing yourprogress and your success and
it's just it's fun for me to seethat and inspires me greatly.
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Yeah, and same to you , and just thank you for this
amazing energy.
I don't know it's hard to putwords to it, but you've created
a very sacred container to allowme to feel very calm and
comfortable and really enterquickly into a flow state with
you where I forgot that we wereeven doing a podcast and we're
just having a conversation, andso it's been very fun.
(01:01:18):
I think you you know you'redoing a great job too, so thank,
you for everything that you do.
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Thank you, jason.
I really appreciate that.
Thank you so much.
I believe bliss is a spiritualexperience and you can't find
this without first learning howto play, make mistakes and have
(01:01:44):
fun.
But it's hard to experiencebliss until you've learned how
to surrender to what you cannotcontrol.
It's more fun to roll with lifemost times and, of course,
control what you can, but let goof what you cannot and hand
that over to the universe oryour higher self.
(01:02:07):
Our joy lies in the idea thatmany times life does not unfold
the way we always expect ourplan, but it does unfold the way
(01:02:38):
that is right for each of us,giving us exactly what we need
without losing anything.
Oftentimes the result is evenbetter than what we could have
ever imagined.
Ever imagined Ever imaginedBecause we opened ourselves up
to infinite possibility.
Embracing the unknown in yourlife is like watching a good
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movie and waiting for the nextclue as to what could come next,
with curiosity and excitement.
What you discover along the wayin your life is important, and
it all relates back to you beingable to see the beauty and
(01:03:22):
bringing awareness to the sacredmystiques.
Your life is your greatest workof art.
We are all artists in that wayand you get to create your life
any way you like.
That's the fun part, and havingfun, I believe, is a spiritual
experience.
Experience, experience,experience, experience.
(01:03:44):
Your life is your greatest workof art and it all relates back
to the synchronicities.
And having fun, I believe, is aspiritual experience.
Experience, experience, and itall relates back to the
synchronicities and thesynchronicities.
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Your life is your greatest workof art and it all relates back
to the synchronicities.
The Synchronicities.
Welcome to Integrate Yourself,everybody.
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Hello everybody, welcome to theshow.
I'm so excited you're here.
We have a wonderful guest today,jason Picard, and I know him
through Paul Check and otherpeople in the Check group as
(02:49):
well and other various groups,that he's just been in my circle
for quite some time now, so I'mso excited to have him on the
show.
He is amazing at what he does.
He's very wise, as he'llexplain it today's show.
He has dove deep into his owninner work because he you
(03:10):
started out in the financialdistrict on Wall Street and he
shares his story today and howhe started putting together the
pieces of the puzzle in his lifethat brought him to a place of
really valuing his health in away that went beyond just eating
right and exercising, becausehe ended up losing a ton of
(03:35):
weight and really got healthy.
But he took it beyond thatbecause he was feeling, like he
explains today avoid in his life, which many of us do.
When we change our bodies soquickly and then we're like what
you know, then you kind of fallinto patterns, old patterns,
because it feels like there's avoid there.
There's nothing to fill thevoid with a new thing that
(03:58):
you're stepping into, the newversion of yourself as he
explains it.
So he went into this deep diveof spirituality and many, many
different ancient healingmodalities as well, and so he
brings a very interesting andunique flavor to the mix with
today's show and how he putstogether the holistic
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perspective on wealth and health.
And so he's experienced, as heteaches people how to do this in
his class, the abundancearchetype, and he's going to
share more about that in today'sshow.
So, without further ado, it ismy honor and my pleasure to
introduce you to Jason Picard.
(04:44):
Everybody enjoy your life isyour greatest work of art.
Welcome to integrate yourself.
Everybody.
I'm your host, alison Palau,and you can find me at Alison
Palau dot com and, finally,thriving book dot com.
Today I am here with JasonPicard.
(05:05):
He became a billion dollarportfolio manager and partner to
hedge fund legend Paul TudorJones at Tudor Investment by the
age of 26.
He was recognized as one of thetop 30 traders under 30 years
old in the world.
Yet his health was an absolutein absolute decline and he was
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330 pounds and suffered from amental and physical health
crisis.
On a quest to become a masterof both his inner and outer
worlds, he decided to travel theworld, spending thousands of
dollars and studying forthousands of hours, learning
directly from the greatestmasters of a wide variety of
healing arts, martial arts,holistic nutrition and movement,
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cutting edge psychology andwisdom traditions of the East
and West, ancient, indigenousand contemporary.
He has now integrated thewisdom gained on his journey by
creating the abundance archetypemethod to help you discover and
actualize your supernaturalcapabilities to create wealth
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and well being in your life, tothrive at work while also
feeling your best.
This, in turn, will give you agreater sense of your reason for
being alive at this pivotalmoment in human history.
Jason, welcome to the show.
I am so excited you're here.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
It's so good to be here.
Thank you for that beautiful,warm welcome.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You are so welcome.
You have such an incrediblebackground and experience in
life and I'm very excited foryou to share that with my
audience today.
I'd love to get started on yourstory and just share more about
how you got here.
You've been on many podcaststalking about this, especially
Paul's podcast.
(06:54):
I know you worked with Paulone-on-one for years and you
still do and you still do yeah.
So it's so interesting, comingfrom a background of Wall Street
, if I'm not mistaken and thenbringing and realizing your
health is in a crisis and thentaking the steps to really heal
(07:18):
yourself and balance it all out.
So I'd love for you to shareyour story of how you got to
where you are now.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah Well, you touched a little bit about that.
But just to go a little bitdeeper, I thought I was living
my dream life.
I was 26 years old and I hadthis dream from when I was a
young child to be this big WallStreet legend.
And here I was, 26, ranked top30 under 30 in the world.
(07:49):
When I was about 12 years old,I set my sights on wanting to
work for Paul Tudor Jones andhere I was, becoming the
youngest partner ever to him andhis firm.
And despite all of that,despite all of that financial
success and accomplishment, Istill really felt quite broken
(08:10):
and broke on the inside.
I was 330 pounds.
I was in a state of mental,emotional, physical, spiritual
crisis and at 26 years old Irealized I'm not going to live
very long if I keep this up.
And there was a deep emptinessthat I had.
And around that time I met aCzech professional in New York
(08:33):
City, just by the grace ofdestiny.
Really I didn't know anythingabout Paul Tsecker's work.
This was 2006.
And I started exercising likecrazy, really what you would
imagine would be sort of a 24seven CrossFit lifestyle, just
(08:54):
grinding it out, you know,sweating, and just real hard
work, which, for better or forworse, was what I needed at that
time, and I just drove theweight off over a two year
period just by working really,really hard.
It was a very challenging twoyears, but it started to really
grow and feed on itself and Isaw the momentum and I'm like
(09:18):
all right, I got this thing andover the period of two years I
lost 170 something pounds.
And then I was there, I was 160pounds and I look in the mirror
.
I didn't even recognize theperson that I was.
I didn't even know who I waslooking at, which was a really
interesting thing, because themind goes much slower, I found,
than the body my body was nowwas now looking lean, but I
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still imagine myself probably,you know, 30 or 40 pounds on a
lag from where I was.
But here I am and despite nowhaving the financial success and
actually the body that I alwayswanted, I still felt an
emptiness.
And so I had this really deeprealization that this sense of
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fulfillment, this deep innerpeace, this fulfillment, this
real success on all levels thatI was seeking didn't come solely
from my financial bank accountor my professional success.
It didn't even come only frommy body.
So what was this thing that Iwas looking for and where can I
(10:28):
find it?
And that's when I met PaulCheck in about 2008 or 2009 and
realized that this missing piecewas the inner journey.
The inner journey into my heart, into my spiritual practices,
into my emotions, into my mindand really learning and
(10:50):
embracing.
Despite all of the success andall of the education that I had
which was quite phenomenal Istill hadn't learned any of
those things.
I didn't know how to eat rightfor my body type.
I didn't really even know howto move my body in a sustainable
way.
I had lost 170 pounds but I wastotally fried.
(11:14):
I had stage three or fouradrenal fatigue after that
because I didn't know how.
I hadn't had no sense ofbalance, I had no sense of
really how to have play orcreativity or joy in my life,
and I hadn't learned any of thatalong the way, despite being
educated at a top university andbeing very successful on Wall
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Street.
So that really started about a15-year journey of my inner
world and it started with Pauland I ventured out into all
sorts of fields where I studiedextensively and I integrated
that into my Wall Streetexperience for about 10 years,
becoming a very sustainable,successful, highly optimized,
(12:01):
high performer and was able todo it in a way where I could
still nourish my body, myrelationships and my other
passions outside of work and bea big influence on others within
that space.
And this all kind of came to ahead for me in 2019 where I just
realized that I already kind ofclimbed that mountain.
I wanted to see if I could dosomething else.
(12:23):
I wanted to sort of see if Icould be successful in another
field.
So I really kind of pushed thattrader aside, that Wall Street
guy.
I said, you know, I don't wantto be him anymore, I don't want
to know him, I don't want toeven want to think about his
skillset.
I want to go full on intocoaching and, you know,
therapeutic work.
And I spent another couple ofyears, you know, gaining
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certifications and going deeperinto all the things that I had
already done, but now exploringthem on a professional level,
only to find that my real talent, my real gift that I could
bring the world where I could beof the most service and where
there was the highest demand formy skills and talents, was
actually integrating.
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Both of those worlds wasbringing together the trader,
the wealth generator, with thehealer, with the well-being and
with the spirituality, and Irecognize that that's actually
what is missing in society.
We have a divorce betweenscience and religion and we have
a divorce between wealth andwell-being, or wealth and
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spirituality.
They don't seem to go togetherfor most people.
You know, we have people thatare really wealthy that don't
have very good relationships orhave crappy health or they're
not making a big impact on theworld in a positive way, and
then we have people that are,you know, deeply into the
spiritual world and have reallydeep well-being practices and
may have good diets andmeditative practices, but they
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don't really have wealth andhave a way to really express
that or make that big impact.
So I realized that by puttingboth of those parts of myself
back together, that that'sactually what I needed to teach
and that was sort of the impetusfor creating the abundance
archetype, which is now themethod that I've put together,
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where I teach my students how todo both of those things.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
That is so powerful.
And, yeah, I love how you pointout that there's so much
imbalance throughout people'slifestyles and well-being and
practices there, because, yeah,they're all important and it's
really just finding that balancewithin.
And that's so amazing that youdiscovered that after you
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started losing the weight,because so many people will kind
of go back to what they were,you know what they were doing
before, and they'll kind ofslide back and because they'll
feel that void and then they'llbe like, well, I'm just going to
start going into my oldpatterns that got me here and
(14:59):
overweight again, you know.
So, instead of, like, lookingin the inner parts of themselves
and discovering and exploringthat.
So kudos to you for going inthat direction, because that
takes a lot of courage, you knowit really does, and I'm also
helping people with those kindsof things through, you know,
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bridging the gap between thephysical and the spiritual
connection, because I'mrealizing over the last three
years how important it is toreally bridge that gap and
create a spiritual relationshipwith yourself, but not get so
out of body that you're, youknow, trapped in that spiritual
world, but coming back down toembody that abundance in your
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life and living right.
So that is amazing that you'reable to bring those two together
and help people and thenrealize that you know it's now.
I want to just be of service topeople.
You know, and it's a hard thing, I think, for most people to
step away from a job that'screating a ton of money for them
(16:09):
, right.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, it was.
It was challenging, but Ireally felt like I knew it was
possible to generate a lot ofmoney again and do it in a way
that was more dream affirmativefor me and more in a way that
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was reciprocal.
I wanted to put my money wheremy mouth was, so to speak.
And so, you know, my quest wasto say, ok, yeah, I'm in this
career that's generating a lotof money, but it's I'm not.
I'm not into it anymore.
And with that I also recognizethat when you're not fully into
something, it was going to behard to generate that money.
(16:55):
Because, you know, wall Streetis a career.
It's not like you make partnerat a firm and then you have this
salary that just costs you intoperpetuity right.
Every day I woke up I had toessentially go hunting for my
lunch, and so you know to theextent that I wanted to be
involved in other things and myfocus wasn't there.
(17:17):
I had so much respect for thehigh level of competitiveness
and focus that it takes to doanything well, including that
job.
Then I knew that if I was kindof half in and half out, I'd
probably just be wasting my time, and I kind of had this idea.
I said, all right, I can dothis job for maybe another X
(17:40):
number of years.
Right, I mean, being a WallStreet trader in some ways is
sort of being like aprofessional athlete, and that
there is like an expiration date.
Yeah, right, you know, maybeit's 35, maybe it's 40, maybe
it's 45.
Very few people are able tomake a lifetime out of that
career, just like you know manythere's not that many Tom
(18:03):
Brady's we could say.
Right, that can perform wellinto their later stages of their
career.
So I had this crazy idea.
I said, okay, yeah, I'm givingup money here in the short run,
possibly.
But what if I'm actuallybeginning to work on the career
that I can have sustainably forthe next 50 years?
(18:25):
What if I'm getting a jumpstarton that and I'm looking at my
earning potential over the next25, 40, 50 year time horizon?
Am I really giving up money oram I beginning to work on that
now so that when all of my peersstopped doing their jobs you
know, 5, 10 years from now, at45, 46, 47, 50, they don't have
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anything to fall back on?
Yeah, maybe they've made somemore money than me over the next
couple of years, you know, andyou could argue at the expense
of what you know heart attacks,strokes, divorces, etc.
But you know, putting all thataside, even just from a monetary
perspective, I started to lookat this long term view that I
wanted to get started on acareer that I could do to the
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day I die and do it well, bepaid for it, make an impact and
enjoy it, and I didn't want towait any longer to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
That's amazing, yeah, it is.
I love how you seem to besustainable because, yes, at
some point you just get tiredand it's fatiguing and it sounds
like it's really stressful.
And again, what is trueabundance, anyway?
And so that's where I was goingwith this, like, what is in
(19:36):
your opinion, jason and I'vebeen thinking about this a lot
myself is what really isabundance?
Because, yes, part of it ismoney, yes, but there's so much
more to it.
You know, it's about our lifeand how much we're really in the
moment and enjoying it in somerespects, and if we're doing
something that fulfills us inour life and we're honoring
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ourselves and we're actuallybeing able to notice all the
abundance that's already there,instead of feeling like not
enough or consuming more andmore and more, you know.
So that's what I'm feeling intoa lot more lately is just
acknowledging and appreciatewhat I have now and then
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creating more of that throughthat gratitude and that feeling
and inspired action it takes tocreate more of that in my life.
What is abundance to you nowthat you've gone through all
this?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That's the $64,000 question here of creating a
course on abundance, right, andyou know, I think you hit on
some really beautiful pointsbecause there's a lot of
research that shows that onceyou have your survival needs met
Now we're not talking about,you know, the 2 billion people
out there that don't have accessto clean food and water, right,
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or shelter or safety but onceyou have your survival needs met
, you have enough money to payfor food and water and shelter,
and you have safety and securityin your life and you, let's
just say, you have a stablepaycheck of some sort.
More money does not equate tolife fulfillment.
At that point, right, and weall have seen this, we've all
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seen the.
You know the archetypal Scroogeout there, you know, made
famous by the movies, but, like,we know people that have a lot
of money that don't seem happyor don't seem fulfilled, and we
see people that don't have a lotthat have a big smile on their
face.
So obviously those things arenot correlated.
Right, once you have yoursurvival needs met we're not
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talking about people that can'tcan't pay for their dinner
tonight or they don't know ifthey're going to be safe but
once you have that met, which isa large part of the Western
world.
Here, then you know, more moneydoes not actually equate to
that feeling of fulfillment thatwe're all searching for.
So when I was looking at thisword abundance, I always go to
etymological dictionaries that'sthis new habit of mine of being
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a word detective to reallybreak down what is the hidden
meaning, what are the realmessages in the word.
So abundance comes from theroot word under UNDA, and so you
could say that the first clueis that abundance is under us,
it's under us, it's in us, right, and abundance or under also
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comes from the Sanskrit wordVaruna, which basically equates
to the intelligence of water, orwe might say the water spirits.
In yoga it would be the deva ofwater.
But this idea that there'sintelligence behind nature Most
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of us have been really cut offfrom this intelligence.
We live in a world that wethink is quite mechanical and
random and purposeless, but thereality is there's so much
intelligence behind everythingthat we see and experience.
Even you know the intelligenceof our bodies.
Think about the trillions ofchemical reactions, or even the
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intelligence in a body symptom,or the intelligence in dreams,
or the intelligence insynchronicities, the
intelligence in the planets andthe stars, and the sun and the
moon and the way it's allorbiting each other with like
exquisite precision, theintelligence in the seasons,
intelligence in the plants andthe animals and the elements.
It can go on and on and on.
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And you know, we look at ournormal waking life and we
recognize that corporations, wewould think, have intelligence.
And we recognize that there aredepartments of intelligence.
There's a human resourcesdepartment, a marketing
department, a finance departmentand so forth.
And if we walked into abeautiful art gallery, we
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wouldn't think that the art justlike randomly got slapped on
the wall.
We would recognize that therewas some kind of intelligence
that curated and created this.
But we wake up and we look outat the world in the most
beautiful art gallery there is,which is our Earth, and we don't
recognize that there'sintelligence behind everything.
(24:09):
And so abundance is linked tothe intelligence of water.
And, as you know and most ofthe people listening probably
know, we are water-based beings,right?
I mean, some people say we're70% water, other people say
we're something like 99% waterby molecular count.
But whatever way you look at it, we're mostly water and our
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earth is mostly water.
And so when we connect to thewater, the fluidity, the flow
that is within us that begins tolead towards affluence, being
able to be fluid in life.
And where that led me to is thatit's not about always being
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happy.
Happy comes from the wordhappenstance, which means to be
lucky.
If you study Buddhism or Taoism, you know that there's
polarities in everything andthat to have a momentary
happiness must mean that at somepoint, some sadness is coming
to have, given that any kind ofvalue right, the dark and the
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light go together, the night andthe day, the winter and the
summer, and so forth, that we'reliving in a world of polarity.
So it's not like striving foranyone's state oh, I'm going to
always be an ecstasy or I'malways going to be happy.
But what it is to me now isthat, no matter what life throws
at you, no matter what happensto you because there's things
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that are going to happen to youin your life that are out of
your control we can't controlall of life's events.
We can't control the parentsthat we had, we can't control
the bodies we had.
We can't control, you know, theCOVIDs happening or so forth.
You know all of these differentevents that are outside of us
Each day.
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There's things that we cancontrol and actions we can take,
and then we can't control ifthere's going to be, like an
accident on the highway in frontof us on our way to work, right
, I mean, the list goes on.
There's things that areuncontrollable with our karma
and uncontrollable with the waythe planets are grabbing us, you
know, through astrology and soforth.
But how we respond to those,how we respond to life, to the
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circumstances of life, knowingwho we truly are, knowing what
we stand for, knowing what islife affirmative to us, and
waking up each day and kind ofattuning to that resonance and
that frequency and making todaya day that I'm going to create
more beauty and harmony in theworld and really standing for my
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truth, no matter what lifethrows at me.
That's abundance, that, nomatter what you do to me, you
can't affect my mood or my vibe.
And one of the most beautifulways that you know you know this
because you express this isthrough music, right, and that's
why, through the practice ofchanting or mantras, it's waking
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up each day and like brushingoff the goo from the night
before and starting to lock into that frequency, that harmony,
when there's almost no betterway to do it than by singing and
by playing music and bycultivating that frequency and
then letting that be your guidefor the day.
And just one more example thatI've told before, but it's so
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powerful that I think I want tomention it, is that in Victor
Frankl's book A Man's Search forMeaning, he talks about being
in a Holocaust concentrationcamp and seeing Jews and likely
others from various faiths.
But you know a lot of Jewishpeople being marched into the
gas chamber and as they're beingled to their death they're
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singing songs of life that hetranslated, that their songs
were saying yes to life, andthis really shook him to his
core.
Admittedly, you know from hisviewpoint in the book, but also
me too oh my gosh, I would be somad, I would be screaming and
just in so much pain and likebeing such a victim mentality
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I'm imagining of like this is sounfair.
But the ability to say yes tolife in even the worst of
circumstances, that no matterwhat you do to me, you can even
take away my body, but you can'ttake away my soul, you can't
take away my spirit or myattitude to life, and I think
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that that's a long journey and avery kind of high state or high
ideal archetype.
You know this organizing motifor this source code or this
North Star, but that's what I'vegeared my abundance meter
towards.
(28:55):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Wow, that's amazing, yeah, and it's and that's what I
, in my opinion what the flowstate is.
You know, when you say water,it's like, yeah, this is we are
taking in that, taking on thatelement of water in our being in
life, and attaining that Idon't know if attaining is the
(29:20):
right word, but just getting tothat place of you know, new
neutrality first, and thenbecoming loving unconditionally
to whatever comes our way andbeing able to, just like you say
, really appreciate life withthe abundance of life and be for
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life and stand in integrity inyourself.
That's that's so big, that'slike everything I feel like you
know.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, and with that I found that it's the connection
between wealth and well being.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I not either, or.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Right, I feel like we've been programmed to think
of wealth in a very scarcitymindset way, yeah, and so it
sounds like you're reprogrammingpeople to see it in a different
way.
And I love that because, yes,you look around the world and
you see people that don't havevery much, but they, they're
very content, they're very happy, they, they actually have an
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experience, more abundance thansome people with lots of money.
And I've always thought aboutthat like, wow, what is that
about?
And, yeah, now, realizing that,you know, as I got into my
holistic health journey andrealized that there's so much
abundance that we have accesswith our own healing, with our
own body, it's incredible, youknow, like you said, looking out
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at nature and seeing everything, all the symbiotic
relationships, and how it justkeeps going and and it doesn't
really, it only takes as much asit needs, you know, and then
it's, it's, it's fine, it alllike works together in all these
different relationships andit's kind of it's really amazing
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to watch.
And, yes, it's.
So it's us turning back into,like, what's natural.
You know what we have to reallylearn again what is natural,
because I think we've beenlearning for years what's
unnatural and thinking that'swhat's natural.
Right, and so it's coming backto what, what's organic, you
know what's true for the humanbeing.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
This is such an interesting.
Interesting point because ifyou look at nature, you
recognize, if you have a pulse,that nature, that nature left
alone, is naturally abundant.
You know, we all know, we'veread these reports that during
COVID, when we were all lockedup around the world into our
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homes, that and when nature hadtime to breathe, that all of
these particular areas werehealing itself naturally, right,
I mean, dolphins were comingback to places where they hadn't
seen, dolphins and wolves werereentering various places, and
you could probably breathe inBeijing, you know, and things
like that, like all, justbecause we weren't kind of
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mucking it up, you know.
So part of the problem is notthat nature is an abundance,
just that we're not distrdistributing the resources
appropriately.
But this whole concept ofrituals I find interesting,
because many of us, in ourfields, we wake up and we do a
lot of rituals each day, right,you know we have to work out, we
have to meditate, we have totake our cold shower or, you
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know, whatever it is.
I mean, we have a long list ofthings, right, that we have to
do each day.
But the question that you haveto ask is why am I doing these
things?
What's the point of them, like,what's the ultimate goal of all
these rituals?
And when you look at the wordritual, it comes from the root
word re, r-i and the re gives uscreativity and ritual and
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reading and writing andarithmetic and rhythm and also
rich r-i-c-h.
And this re is attached to therit-tom and Sanskrit, or the
laws of nature, and so the wholeidea of properly doing rituals
is to align ourselves withnature so that we can become
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abundant.
Like her, the sun is naturallyabundant, so when we have a
ritual of waking up with the sunand going to sleep with the sun
, we become like that, we startglowing like a sun.
When we connect with water,when we have a ritual around our
water, we can become water-like, abundant like water, and so
(34:02):
forth.
And when you look at the wordwealth, it's quite an
interesting thing because, yes,the scarcity mindset and all of
our belief systems about wealthare quite disempowering a lot of
the times for various reasonsSocietally, culturally, our
parents, our early childhoodexperiences trauma around money
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and so forth, this idea thatmoney is inherently bad, money
is the root of all evil.
No, money is a tool of energyand how you use it, you can just
like artificial intelligence.
You can use it to create bondsor to cure cancer.
We could say right, and it goeson and on.
The same thing with moneythere's been great people with
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money, great leaders that havemade huge world change and have
been very terrible dictatorsthat have had a lot of money,
that have made a lot ofsuffering.
So it's really just a tool andthe more you have, the more
responsibility you have becausethe more impact you can have on
others with it.
But when you look at the wordwealth, it's quite fascinating
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because part of the problem withthe scarcity mindset is that
we're looking for this wealth inall the wrong places, that
we're looking for it on theoutside.
But in my course we firstrecognize that this wealth is an
inside job, it's an inside outexperience, and one of the first
lessons in my course we talkabout divesting.
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What do you need to let go of?
What police do you need todivest?
It's not about taking in more.
You already have it.
It's about scraping away theunnecessary stuff and getting
down to the root of it, and theroot of it's inside of you.
And when you track the wordwealth, it comes from the root
word of well-being, andwell-being comes from wheel and
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wheel comes from chakras.
So you mentioned thisembodiment.
So real wealth begins in deepembodiment in the body, in the
chakra system, recognizing theseenergy centers and having them
all turned on and being healthy.
And then, once these wheels areturning, we can then engage
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with the wheel of life andbecome naturally abundant and
reciprocal, like nature, andcyclical like nature, and we can
focus on net impact, giving andtaking equally, and when we do
that we have well-being.
And when we experience realwell-being on the inside, then
we can actually create wealth.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yes, I love that.
That resonates so much with me.
And when you say that, whatcomes to mind is you know, I
talk about this a lot is thatpeople tend to separate
themselves from nature.
But we are nature, we're partof it.
And when we start to realizethat more and more, then we
start to tap into what you'retalking about, like that balance
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, that harmony within us, toconnect the nature that is, our
bodies and our soul, you know tothe nature that we see outside
of ourselves, or that we theillusion of that it's outside of
ourselves.
But getting into the rhythm ofthat is true abundance.
And then, like you say, money isjust.
In my opinion, it isn't good orbad, it's just a tool of
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creation.
So you can create distortedlyor you can create purely, you
know, with money.
So it's just up to theindividual and their intention
behind that, I think.
So that is another way to lookat it, for sure, because, yeah,
people tend to blame money forall the problems in the world,
but it's not money's fault, it'sjust an energy, and the energy
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of wealth and health are verysimilar.
Like from my, what I've lookedat is you know, it's a very
similar energy and that's why alot of times I will, you know,
place health as like also a way.
When you build your health, youcan also build the wealth like
you're talking about too,because you have a better
relationship with the energy ofmoney too.
(38:03):
So, yeah, I love everythingthat you said was just spot on.
Yeah, it's just, that's great.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Thank you.
You know it's interestingbecause, from my understanding,
all of the great world religionswere all founded on money.
Research that Paul showed mewas that Jesus was given the
equivalent in today's value offour million dollars of
frankincense, myrrh and goldwhen he was born by the you know
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, visited by like kings andmagi's from across the land.
Moses was a prince, buddha wasa prince, arjuna was a prince,
muhammad was a very wealthybusinessman, married a very
wealthy businesswoman who was amerchant and became a
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businessman himself.
So where did this distortionhappen that in order to follow
these faiths or these spiritualpractices, we couldn't do it
with money?
When they all began with moneythemselves?
All of these great movementsbegan founded on wealth, but
somewhere along the line wepicked up this distortion that
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they can't go together, and Ithink that part of my work is
bringing that back together forpeople and making them more
aware of that.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, that's a great point to make, and do you think
that that distortion is meant todisempower people in a way?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
as it relates to that .
Yeah, I don't know exactly, butI would imagine it's sort of
the corporatizing of religion.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, where you know, like the difference between
Jesus and the church, or Buddhaand Buddhism and so forth.
And so yeah, along the way,we've developed these
institutions around thesemystical ideas and practices and
(40:07):
we've made them sort of morefundamentally rule-based, and a
lot of them, I think, becamefunded by having the people give
money back to the institution.
I mean, the Catholic Church isone of the wealthiest
organizations in the world,right, and many of the other
religions are probably the same,so they're certainly not
(40:28):
adverse to money.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
That's true Good point.
Well, there's this thing calledyeah, I think, as it relates to
religion.
Religion has been a very, verymuch created as a divinity
scarcity tool for people.
That don't, you know, itprevents people from realizing
that it comes from within, andthey're again led to believe,
(40:53):
just like with money, that it'sall outside of themselves, that
they have to access it outsideof themselves, and so it's kind
of all.
It is very similar, it's a verysimilar energy, that whole
scarcity thing.
You know, it's just like it canlook like many different things
for people depending on wherethey're at.
(41:15):
It happens in spirituality allthe time, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
You know, carl Jung says that the purpose of
religion is to protect one fromthe true experience of God.
And that could be looked at in afew different ways.
In one way, what you're saying,but in that it's sort of a
distortion.
But in another way, there'sactually like a purpose to it in
(41:40):
that, like most people aren'treally actually ready to take on
the responsibility that, likethey are God, like that they are
the creators themselves, thatthey have to take responsibility
, that the buck stops here,fully individuating and having a
direct experience and nothaving a middleman or a middle
(42:02):
woman mediating their experiencewith divinity, but taking full
responsibility for it.
That it actually serves apurpose because most people
aren't ready for that.
That's a full on yes to lifethat most people aren't ready to
take.
And so if you're not at thatstage, it serves a purpose
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protecting you from that directexperience.
But then, as you progress andevolve, you may get to a point
where you have that directexperience or you're ready for
that direct experience and youmay no longer need the
institution anymore.
You become it.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I love that perspective.
I haven't thought about it likethat before, but that makes so
much sense because, yeah, torealize that it's coming from
within is very powerful andsometimes can be too much and
overwhelming for some people ifthey haven't done enough inner
work right.
So that makes sense.
That religion would be thatkind of step to that next thing,
(42:59):
until you don't need it anymore.
That makes so much sense to me,yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, and there's all these different stages of
religion, right, there's likethe magical, magical, mythical
stage.
There's the modern andpostmodern, and we move up
through these different stagesuntil we get to an integral
stage where we may believe in aparticular style or lens of
religion.
We may have been grown up as aTaoist or a Buddhist or a Hindu
(43:26):
or a Jew or whatever, and we mayactually still feel an affinity
for that particular flavor, butwe see it as part of a great
world religion that is allcollaborating together to make
this whole big.
You know, maybe religion with acapital R, right, is we see the
(43:47):
piece of the puzzle and we'reactually bringing that piece up
and supporting that one piece,but only as part of a whole,
knowing that all of us need toshare our truths together, from
all religions and from allcultures, from all races, from
all perspectives, and that onlywhen we do all of that can we
actually find out the truth,because each one of us holds a
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part of it.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yes, yes, resonates so much for the day.
Thank you, oh my goodness.
Okay, so I do not want to endthe show without you talking
about your eight abundancearchetypes today.
I really want to cover thatbecause those are important and
it sounds like very foundationalto the class that you teach.
You're offering a new class,like you've been talking about
(44:35):
teaching, but what we're talkingabout is this class that you
have been teaching this year,and I don't know what class
you're on, but it's been verysuccessful, from what I hear,
and congratulations, by the way.
That's a really big deal andyou're and it sounds like you're
really attracting somewonderful students for that, and
(44:58):
I'd love to hear more aboutwhat your experience has been
with that too.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, thank you so much.
I mean, yeah, it's been reallyamazing to leave Wall Street and
to not know what I wanted to doreally, and to be exploring all
these things and having a fewdark nights at the soul, being
like what is my real purposehere?
Why am I here?
What am I trying to do withthis?
Am I crazy for leaving thiscareer and staying on that path
(45:25):
and, like you know, slayingthose inner dragons and meeting
various mentors and allies andovercoming obstacles and then,
yeah, now circling back withthis inner elixir that I've
cultivated on this hero'sjourney and now spiraling back
up and now offering that andit's just the biggest blessing
to be rewarded for that too, youknow, be rewarded for that
(45:46):
faith in the universe.
So, yeah, I created this coursecalled the abundance archetype
with freedom builders, who Ithink you know quite well.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
I actually I use them for my course as well.
Yeah, they're great.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Shout out to Mike.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Gonzalez.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Mike Schwartz and the rest of the team.
So, yeah, I love those guys andgirls.
They're amazing.
My wife, kara, is actuallydoing a course with a known on
amazing the energetics ofcooking and making very cool
easy for people.
But yeah, back to my course.
So I created the abundancearchetype and it's really my
journey in Wall Street and myjourney in in well being and the
(46:26):
combination of those two.
So one huge part of the courseis developing a process to
defining your competitive edgeand finding what you're really
good at and developing a systemfor you to bring that out, but
not also professionally, butalso in relationships and in
your personal life.
And then we go through my eightkeys to greater wealth and well
being, or my eight keys tomastery, which are essentially
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the eight things that I foundthrough my years of study that
are essential to create flowstates and the ways that I got
to.
That was really it's a kind ofa long story but, in short,
studying yoga, and when Istarted studying astanga yoga
and the eight limbs to astangayoga, I recognized that what
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yogis were calling Samadhi, orthe ultimate stage, was
basically what we're callingflow and that people have been
cultivating this scientificallyfor thousands and tens of
thousands of years, ubiquitousin cultures across the world,
but particularly India, thatthey were creating flow state.
(47:31):
So I based my model essentiallyafter this, like tried and true
experiment that yogis weredoing sitting in caves, to
developing perfection in any onearea.
And so the first step in mymodel is really working on your
unconscious and your beliefsystems and finding out what you
really love to do, and I takepeople through a whole process
(47:53):
of doing that.
Once you do that and you knowwe do that by working on your
earliest childhood memories andyour earliest childhood dreams
and your earliest memories ofmoney and working through
visualizations and meditationsand belief system practices Then
we move into Paul Chex fordoctors.
Because once you, once you knowwhat you love to do and what you
have your dream and you've andyou've gotten out of the way of
(48:17):
your disempowering beliefs.
Now you have to actually fuelthat and take care of that body,
you know, but you have a reasonto do that now.
So now you're going throughPaul Chex for doctors, you're
moving your body appropriatelyfor your needs, you're eating
right, you're getting enoughsleep and you know all this
stuff and you're finding ways tocreate play in your life.
And then I focus on theimportance of posture, because
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in the third step of a strongeryoga, this is what they called
asana.
Now that's what we call yogaNow is basically we think of
yoga in the West as we go to ayoga studio and we do, we're
going to like how long can Ihold this plank?
Or how hot can I make the roomwhere?
Speaker 1 (49:00):
it's very competitive , right yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:02):
it's very competitive .
It's all about.
It's all about the posture and,oh, I'm going to do this longer
and stronger.
I mean it's not all like that.
But you know, the whole idea isthat the focus is not about the
belief systems, it's not aboutbeing in right relationship to
yourself and others.
It's.
I don't really hear much aboutdiet or balance of movement or
sleep or play and creativity andthings like that.
(49:24):
I mean, yeah, of course there'samazing yoga teachers out there
, but in a nutshell, it's reallyjust focusing on really just a
fitness aspect.
But that was what was taught inancient India to children in
kindergarten.
It's like, look, this is, thisis elementary school.
You got you got to know who youare.
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You got to know that you arethey call it an atma, or a soul
living in a particular body, andyou have to learn why you're
here, what you're naturally goodat, what do you love to do, and
we're going to create youreducation system around that.
Once you do that, you have torecognize that you're in a
unique body and know what kindof foods does your body like and
(50:06):
need, how much sleep do youneed.
You know how much movement andwhat type do you need.
You know what are your goalsfor that and what brings you
authentic joy.
And then, once you do that, youneed to be able to learn to do
whatever you're doing, but sitin a way that isn't going to
hurt your back, isn't going tosap your productivity, isn't
going to take your mind out ofthe flow state because you're
(50:28):
like your back's killing you,your legs are falling asleep,
your foot's in pain or whateverit is, and you can create
optimal breathing.
And that's three.
And so, once we do that, nowwe're in this state where we're
regulating our breathing andwe're beginning to move into a
state of coherence where we canharmonize our right and our left
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brain.
And so many of us in thebusiness world are really only
focusing on this left brain.
But there's so much moreinformation that I could go on
forever about and I think it'smore essential than ever in this
world of artificialintelligence.
That's literally a left braintool to access the potentials of
our right brain, listening tothe signals of our body,
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listening to the dreams ordreams at night, and accessing
the intelligence of our heart,and I take you through a whole
series there as well.
Then five we're moving up intothe throat.
It's essentially learning whatto say no to eliminating
distractions.
Where's your time going?
Where's your money going?
What do you need to eliminateand delegate?
What are your values?
What do you stand for?
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Six we learn how to have atension, flexibility, where now
we're learning how to focus onthings, but also how to have
open focus and to take in moreinformation.
All of these are really keys toflow states.
Finally, we're seven.
We're learning how to alter ourstate.
We all know, you know a lot ofpeople in this world know about
(51:51):
the benefits of altered states,whether or not it's through,
like drumming or plant medicinesor meditation or whatever
hypnosis.
I mean, there's a long list ofstuff.
But how do we do this?
In little mini, what I callmicro dose meditations at work,
ways to engage with the creativeprocess and alter ourselves
slightly so that we can accessthe information that exists in
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non-ordinary states ofconsciousness and then bring
them back in into our life.
And then, once we do that, we'rein eight.
We're in the flow.
We're moving into the archetype.
We're in the archetype of theinvestor.
We are becoming abundance.
We've gone from doing ceremonyto becoming ceremony.
We're in the archetype of themother, the father, the trader,
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the teacher, whatever it is.
And when we get into this stage, we recognize our importance in
the larger wheel of life andthe importance of using our rank
and power to empower otherpeople, to leave a seven
generational impact and toreally participate in the cycle
of life in a positive way.
And so that's it.
(52:57):
And then so the course is that,and then you know much, much
more that I can't even talkabout.
But in addition, I'm offeringpeople this mentorship program.
That is where I'm seeing hugetransformation, where all of the
people that take my course jumpinto two weekly, two calls per
week with me and other specialguest speakers from a variety of
(53:18):
fields.
I've had some amazing guestspeakers come in and we work
live through the material andmuch, much more in a community
of abundant seekers.
So I've created a little tribeof people.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
So that's so incredible.
Oh my God, I love everythingthat you're doing and it really
makes sense.
It's literally a flow state.
You're moving to the next thingwith flow, and just the energy
of it is so wonderful.
I had a question about, likeyou see, how long is the program
(53:51):
?
Is it three months?
Is it a year?
How long does it last?
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Yeah, so the program itself is an eight week program,
but I honestly I've beentelling people because you have
access to the material for life,you have lifetime access to the
course.
So really I encourage you to goat your own pace.
The information unlocks to youin over eight week period.
But you know, everyone hastheir own life circumstances.
(54:16):
They people have kids,relationships, jobs and stuff.
So I just encourage them to goat a pace that they can actually
integrate and enjoy.
But it's designed for eightweeks.
But some people can go throughit all in eight weeks and some
people might need, you know, 15weeks, 20 weeks or a year or 10
years I don't know depending onwhat pace they want to go at.
But you have lifetime access.
(54:37):
Anytime I update it, you getthat information and the
mentorship program is lastingfor one year.
So you have one year of about12 hours of live group coaching
potential a month in thiscommunity and we also share a
Facebook group together where wehave a lot of shared
experiences and you can hearwhat's coming up for people and
(54:59):
I post in there all the time andjust you know, prompting people
on different questions andreflections and things like that
.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
That's amazing, Wow.
Thank you so much, Jason.
That's just incredible servicefor people and I know that it's
going to help them so muchreally reach their own potential
and really get to that nextphase of their life where they
are in that flow state but alsojust enjoying their life.
I think that's so importantthat people miss, you know.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
I think it is so important because, honestly, our
flow follows our focus and ourfocus is following what we love
to do.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
You know.
So I mean, if you really wantto be great at something, you
have to truly love it.
And I think if anybodyauthentically, you know, looked
at some of the great masters ofany field, it's hard to find
people in any walk of life thatwere truly great at what they
did, that it wasn't their life'slove.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, I agree.
I agree you really have to loveit to be able to focus on it
and devote your life to it.
It's got to be, you got to havethat love for it, you know,
even though you might go throughsome stuff and learning curves
and that kind of thing.
But yeah, ultimately it's gotto be one of your first love,
there for sure.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, and each one of us has this unique fingerprint,
this unique expression of whatthat looks like for us.
And really getting to thebottom of that is really the key
to my course is recognizingthat we all have an individual
process, we all have individualdreams you know, not two of us
are alike in any way and reallyfinding what is that for you,
(56:54):
what is you know what?
What do you really love to doand what are you really good at
and what does the world needfrom you.
And then aligning all of thoseand doing it, not because you
know you're expected to do it orbecause your mom and dad told
you that you had to do this, orbecause you think this is the
way that things need to go, butbecause you truly you couldn't
live your life without doing it.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's called living in integrity.
I think, yeah, oh my gosh.
So please, before we go, jaysaid first of all, I want to
thank you so much for coming on.
This has been an amazinginterview and show today.
I really got so much out of itand hope my audience does too.
(57:39):
I'm sure they will.
I wanted you to just leaveeverybody with where they can
find it, find your course, whatyou're offering, as well as when
it's being offered again.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's quite easy.
You can just go to my website,jasonpicardorg, or on my
Instagram, jasonpicardofficialthe link is up in my bio as well
and when you get there, you cancheck out all of the different
things that we talked aboutabout my course and some other
things as well.
But the opportunity is that ifyou really feel called to this,
(58:15):
you can book a discovery callwith me for free, where you get
on a call with me on a Zoom for30 minutes and we just chat
about your life and yourexperiences and you can ask
questions about the course.
And if it feels good to you andin residence with your life and
it feels good to me becausethat's one of the things that I
learned is that I'm reallylooking for people that I feel a
(58:36):
strong connection to as well,or it becomes a headache that I
don't want either.
But yeah, if we feel a reallygood, strong connection, which
most likely we will, if you'recoming, if you're listening to
this podcast and you feel calledto checking me out on the
website and booking a call withme, then I'd love to have you
and I would be honored andprivileged to take you through
(58:56):
this experience and once we'reon that call.
We could talk about all theparticulars but how to make it
work best for you, and it'sessentially ongoing right now.
So I have people that are stilljoining into this.
You know, first cohort, andit's becoming sort of like a
mentorship program.
You know my kids go to likeWaldorf schools and sometimes
(59:17):
the there's kids three or fouryears older in the same group
and so, like, the older onesbecome the mentors of the
younger ones, and then theyounger ones eventually move up
and then they could, you know,have the perspective to help the
others.
And so I have people coming inat different stages and now
people that are have alreadyprogressed through can help the
others, and then you know oneday that then you'll become the
(59:38):
mentor and it creates like acommunity effect.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
I love that.
So the people who have alreadytaken it can just do it again
and support the people who arenew.
Is that how it works?
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Well, just because you know, people that started,
you know, two months ago, youknow, have made it through the
eight weeks, let's say, but theystill have 10 months left to go
on their mentorship program.
So somebody will just jump intothe existing calls and we
revisit stuff and we recyclethings as well.
But yeah, they're just a littlebit farther along in the
material.
(01:00:09):
But you know, we're basicallyall on this journey together and
everything, all of the callsthat I've done have all been
recorded in place in ourFacebook group so anyone can go
on there and actually access allthe old calls and have all the
guest speakers and all of thematerial that I brought in there
as well.
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
So very cool.
Well, gosh.
Thank you so much, jason.
This has been a delight to talkto you more, get to know you
more and for you to shareeverything that you're doing,
which is just so spectacular.
I'm just so happy to hear itand I'm happy for you, and you
(01:00:45):
know I just love seeing yourprogress and your success and
it's just it's fun for me to seethat and inspires me greatly.
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Yeah, and same to you , and just thank you for this
amazing energy.
I don't know it's hard to putwords to it, but you've created
a very sacred container to allowme to feel very calm and
comfortable and really enterquickly into a flow state with
you where I forgot that we wereeven doing a podcast and we're
just having a conversation, andso it's been very fun.
(01:01:18):
I think you you know you'redoing a great job too, so thank,
you for everything that you do.
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Thank you, jason.
I really appreciate that.
Thank you so much.
I believe bliss is a spiritualexperience and you can't find
this without first learning howto play, make mistakes and have
(01:01:44):
fun.
But it's hard to experiencebliss until you've learned how
to surrender to what you cannotcontrol.
It's more fun to roll with lifemost times and, of course,
control what you can, but let goof what you cannot and hand
that over to the universe oryour higher self.
(01:02:07):
Our joy lies in the idea thatmany times life does not unfold
the way we always expect ourplan, but it does unfold the way
(01:02:38):
that is right for each of us,giving us exactly what we need
without losing anything.
Oftentimes the result is evenbetter than what we could have
ever imagined.
Ever imagined Ever imaginedBecause we opened ourselves up
to infinite possibility.
Embracing the unknown in yourlife is like watching a good
(01:03:02):
movie and waiting for the nextclue as to what could come next,
with curiosity and excitement.
What you discover along the wayin your life is important, and
it all relates back to you beingable to see the beauty and
(01:03:22):
bringing awareness to the sacredmystiques.
Your life is your greatest workof art.
We are all artists in that wayand you get to create your life
any way you like.
That's the fun part, and havingfun, I believe, is a spiritual
experience.
Experience, experience,experience, experience.
(01:03:44):
Your life is your greatest workof art and it all relates back
to the synchronicities.
And having fun, I believe, is aspiritual experience.
Experience, experience, and itall relates back to the
synchronicities and thesynchronicities.
(01:04:21):
Your life is your greatest workof art and it all relates back
to the synchronicities.
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