EP: 184 - Heal the spine heal the mind with Dr. Cliff Oliver - Integrate Yourself | Discover Yourself & Reclaim Your Health

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Your life is your greatest work of art, and it all
relates back to thesynchronicity of the sun.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome to Integrate Yourself, everybody.
I'm your host, alison Palau,and you can find me at
FinelyThrivingProgramcom andalisonpalaucom.
I've been teaching wellness,holistic health.
I've been a holistic personaltrainer for almost 20 years now
and I've brought all this wisdomover the years into a book

(00:52):
called Finally Thriving, andwhat I do in this book is I take
you on a journey of aligningthe mind, connecting with the
body and then learning how tolisten to your spirit.
I really wanted to giveeverybody a holistic journey of
health, of all the things andall the aspects I've learned
about health over the years, andbring it into a holistic

(01:15):
journey for each person, andI've been pleasantly surprised
by people's response to the book.
It has been a joy and a delightto hear what people get from it
.
So if you're really interestedin checking out my book, you can
head over to the link in myshow notes or you can go to
amazoncom.
You can get the paper back, andI also have an audiobook that's

(01:38):
available with my voice,because, you know, I'm really
just planting seeds for people.
I am sharing the wisdom thatI've taken in over the years.
You know through experience,because that's what wisdom is
and I think we forget.
We get that really confusedwith taking in information.
We take so much information ona daily basis through AI,

(02:03):
through social media, throughmedia in general watching TV,
watching news, all of thesethings and we forget about
wisdom.
Wisdom is lived experience, andthat is actually more important
than just information, you know, because wisdom is information

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that has been applied and hastherefore been experienced.
So when you can have wisdom inyour life, it's really wonderful
when you're able to share thatwith other people.
And so that's what I've donethrough the years with holistic
wellness, holistic personaltraining, fitness and nutrition

(02:49):
and lifestyle healthy lifestylestoo, you know.
And that's even spilled intospirituality, as I've really
been diving deeper into that inmy life, really mostly this past
five years, pretty deep, andthen, with the, what I'm

(03:09):
learning about spirituality is,it all comes back and relates to
your emotional health, youremotional wellness.
How well are we regulating ouremotions?
How well are we really just, orhow often not even well?
How often are we feeling ouremotions?
What are we suppressing, whatare we hiding from ourselves?
And emotions are actually awonderful gift for us to

(03:35):
calibrate and and give us someawareness on where we are, you
know, in this whole thing, andso moving emotions through can
sometimes be tough.
It can sometimes be an art initself.
You can express your emotionsand I think that's one of the

(03:55):
healthiest things to do insteadof hold it in your body, because
we know when we hold emotionsin our body, they tend to stay
there and they tend to createresistance and inflexibility in
our physical bodies too.
So that's why it's important tolearn how to allow these to

(04:15):
move through.
In today's episode, I have DrCliff Oliver back on the show
again and we're talking aboutthe mind spine connection here,
because he's a chiropractor.
He's been a chiropractorholistically for years now and
he's got so much wisdom to shareabout the mind spine connection

(04:37):
.
And we get into one of hismentors too today and he shares
what he had learned from her,and we're going to be also
sharing her research and how.
It's really pretty amazing thatnow we're putting it together I
guess the mainstream maybe ismore putting it together that

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actually chiropractic does work,you know, because there is a
real connection between yourspine and your brain, and so
when your spine is healthy, yourbrain is healthy, your body is
healthy, and so these are thethings that we really talk about
today.
We get into that and it wassuch a fun conversation.

(05:19):
So I hope you enjoy today'sconversation as much as I did In
today's episode.
We just got right into theconversation.
I didn't even get a chance toreally introduce Dr Cliff Oliver
, but he has been a realinfluence in my own life because
I remember meeting him yearsago at the Czech Institute and

(05:39):
he was one of the teachers andhe taught us about functional
health and all kinds of stufflow tech, testing and these
kinds of things.
It was really cool and I alwaysloved his approach to teaching
and I think that's because hereally doesn't take life so
seriously.
He looks at life as a greatexploration and I love his

(06:00):
playfulness, his openness tocreativity and understanding
that it's sometimes things cometo us when we're not thinking so
hard about them and when we cango off and do something else
and then maybe the answers come.
So he really opened me up tomusic.
He was the first person toreally open me up to learning

(06:24):
how to play music.
I never thought of myself as acreative person before and when
I saw him playing the DizardDizard, I think, is that's how
you say it it's one of those big, long instruments that they
play in Australia.
I was like, wow, and he wouldplay the flute as well and he

(06:44):
would sell flutes.
And one time I bought a flutefrom him and I think we talked
about this on the last show whenI had him on is he?
It was a beautiful handmadewalnut flute that one of his
good friends made and I boughtit from him.
And his friend passed away acouple of years ago and he was
asking around if anybody stillhad one of those flutes.

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And I'm like I have that flute.
I bought it from you years agoand he asked if he could buy it
back for me because his friendhad passed away and there was no
way of being able to getanother flute like that again,
because his friend made thoseand there was none he didn't
have and he had lost his and hedidn't have any any way to get

(07:29):
another one.
So he asked me if he could havemine and I said, sure, I'm not
really using it, so please do.
And first, whatever reason,that just kind of sparked my
first of all sparked ourconnection again and we started
becoming friends.
And secondly, it really sparkedmy curiosity about creativity

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and getting back into musicagain and so I started playing
the ukulele, I started singingagain, and so these things are
part of health.
The all this stuff is isintegral to your health journey.
It's it's very important to beable to be creative and to do
other things.
Instead of just thinking aboutthe food and the fitness aspect
all the time.
Although those are veryimportant, you need to also move

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into other creative endeavorsin your life, things that you'd
really love to do, so that youcan play.
Play is something that wereally don't think is very
important in our life, but it'svery important, so I talk about
this in my book.
I share this concept.
In my class, finally thriving,we have another one coming up

(08:37):
January 25.
You can register until February8.
I'm going to keep registrationopen till then.
It's a three month course andcoaching program that I lead
every week with a live coachingsession.
It's a live session.
It's online and if you miss thesession, you can always go back
and watch it because it'srecorded.

(08:58):
And then it a course comes withit the finally thriving course,
and you can.
You'll get one module a weekand we're going to go through
that together with a loving,supported group.
We always have a loving andsupportive group in those
classes, and so this is probablygoing to be no different.
So I'd love for you to join ifyou want.
If you'd like, I'm going toleave the link in the show notes

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and you can join or set up afree discovery call with me too.
But I just wanted to share thatstory because I you know, cliff
is so dear to my heart, becausehe really inspired me with his
wisdom, and so I'm going to, Iwant to take that and inspire
others with my wisdom, and Ihope you'll do that too, because

(09:42):
I think that's what we're hereto do.
I think that's what we're hereto do is to inspire each other
with the wisdom and not holdback, not hide it, just share it
.
So I'll leave you all with thattoday and I want to send you
all so much love and I want tothank you from the bottom of my
heart for listening today.

(10:02):
Enjoy this show Without furtherado.
It's my honor and my pleasureto introduce you to Dr Cliff
Oliver Enjoy.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Your life is your greatest work of art, and it all
relates back to thesynchronicity.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, oh, my God, yeah, I was.
So much has happened since Ilast talked to you, so yeah,
what's going on?
Time to connect again.
Yeah, I mean, you know, gosh,what's going on a lot.
There's like a spiritual wargoing on, cliff.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
I do, I do.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
So I've just got this calling to just bring people
back into their bodies, becauseI feel like there is a, there is
something going on that is justjust deliberately disconnecting
people from their bodies.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
So I totally agree.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, and it's mainly fear.
So the more fear you can getabout anything elections,
climate, anything, hurricane,hillary, whatever it is the more
you're going to be locked intoa pattern in the brain where you
can't function Exactly.
Functions get turned down.
You end up being free.

(11:47):
Finally, you lose all that.
You end up back in your limbicsystem and just responding to
the fears and you see it.
You see it in the people.
You see it in how peoplerespond to each other.
It's pretty dramatic and it'sapparently fairly worldwide.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, it really puts you in a state of an illusion of
like, with almost like blinders, where you can't really see any
solutions or any otherperspectives or views on what's
happening.
You know, you just feel likeyou're almost, it's like a
virtual reality, basically, inmy opinion, and yeah, and so I

(12:25):
wanted to have you on today,cliff, because we you sit well,
first of all, I'll go back.
You sent me this clip of one ofyour teachers, heidi Havoc, and
she was on Russell Brand, andis that how you say her name,
heidi Havoc?

Speaker 3 (12:42):
She pronounces a little different.
How about it's pronounced?
She's Norwegian, it's anNorwegian name, so it's
pronounced a little different.
But I think Havoc is prettygood.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Okay, I'll do the.
You know the southern you knowthe.
Georgia accent, but yeah, so shewas talking with Russell Brand
about chiropractic and how itthere's this she did this study
of her own and she did it tofind out the kind of prove that

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spine brain connection and howchiropractic can really change
our perspective quite literallyand open us up to a new way of
perceiving both our body and ourlives and, in my opinion, it
brings us to a higher state ofconsciousness as well.
So anytime you have moreawareness in your life, this

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will expand your consciousness.
So, meaning like, just likewe've been talking, get you out
of that small, limited space ofbeing in fear mode and out into
more opportunity, more more lovein your life, greater
understanding of yourself andothers and the world that we
live in, because it's it'sstarting to break down, like

(13:57):
those foundations that we justtook, that we just took for
granted that we're always goingto be there or not there anymore
and they're falling apart.
So I think it all starts withyour body, as we were talking
before, and that's what I'vebeen on a path of doing is
helping people get back intotheir bodies, really find the
empowerment within being in abody and then, once you find

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that and you know how to takecare of your body and you.
You open yourself up to allthese different ways of healing,
and then what this does is itthen you can begin to take in
and embody higher aspects ofyourself and live that way.
So I think it all starts there.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Right.
I mean with what's going on inthe world is people getting up
in their head more and more andthey're being quite disconnected
.
It's one of the reasons I likethings like somatic,
experiencing pula veins workcoming back into the body.
I often tell my clients get outof your head, get into your
body, go for a walk, getgrounded, put your feet on the

(15:03):
ground, because we get so woundup.
We get so wound up in our headsthat their story goes back to
Byron Katie.
Their story becomes what welive.
And is the story really true?
And frequently we could sayit's not true.
It's our perception and thoseperceptions get changed and
modified by our input, from oursensory input, and that sensory

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input can be impacted, whichHeidi, dr Heidi shows by clearly
from our spine, our spinealignment, our movement, our
motions.
Those things affect all thatand can be changed.
I love it.
So, yeah, it's pretty wicked.
We see a lot of biohackinggoing on online and people

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trying to do things to theirbrain and take different
supplements and methylene bluesand go and get hyperbaric
chambers or whatever, and ifthey got their spinal aligned or
spinal aligned, they might findit a little easier than going
out and doing all this otherstuff I used to like to tell my

(16:12):
students.
They said you want to changeyourself the most dramatically
quickest?
Just lie in bed in the morningand laugh for 10 minutes.
Yeah.
Right, so that takes you out ofyour mind, because it's a little
hard to think about all thefear based things you're going
to face during the day ofobligations or past experience

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or whatever.
If you're laughing for 10minutes and I'd say the number
of people who actually did thatthousands of clients and
students and stuff was minimalIf I can count them on two hands
, it's just not that many sothey're out chasing around and
then they're being directed andpropagandized to be in a fear

(16:54):
state constantly.
So, yeah, getting out of thehead into the body is a great
one, and I think she points outclearly in that video that you
can enhance that, you can createthat with some spinal
adjustments, which I think iswicked.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
It's so funny because when I watched that, I watched
that the video of her in theinterview with Russell and it
just in Russell's response,reminded me of people, general
public's response tochiropractic medicine still to
this day.
It's like there's thisdisconnect that actually works

(17:37):
and I'm looking at that sayingno judgment.
It's because we have beendisconnected severely from even
our bodies, just knowing thevessel that we are living in
right now.
But just think about how yourspine is literally connected to

(17:58):
your brain and it's all aboutelectromagnetic conduction of
energy going through and it'slike and just think of anything
you know, any wires that havebeen pinched off or redirected.
That's going to be the samething that happens in your body,
you know.
So it's funny to me that peoplehave such a hard time wrapping
their heads around this conceptthat chiropractic is is really

(18:24):
amazing for healing.
It actually promotes healing inthe body and better thinking,
you know, and better, betterlives, you know, just a higher
quality of life.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, I mean, you know it's been embedded again
for the public, general public,to fear chiropractic because the
AMA, the medical associations,have been on a 100% war path
against chiropractic since the1920s and they've suppressed it,
interfered with the boards andappeared with the ability for

(18:59):
people to get licenses topractice, restricting scope to
practice.
I mean it's pretty wicked.
And finally, in the 70s there'sa big lawsuit and the
chiropractors won it for youknow, the AMA particularly, but
the medical profession ingeneral, of suppressing it.
But the lawsuit winning itdidn't change anything.

(19:21):
They got like I think they gotlike a $10 fine or something
like that After years of beingin court, proving that you know
here's a valid modality forhealth.
Some countries around the world,like Italy for instance, I had
friends who graduated fromschool and they went to Italy
and people got to get their 10visits a year, no matter what,

(19:42):
paying whatever, and they got togo get adjusted.
And friends of mine were seeinghundreds of people a day
because people lined up to getfreed up and get their spine
moving, keep their spine aligned, you know, having a whole
change in their outlook on lifeand how they were interfacing

(20:02):
with other people.
So, unfortunately, in our statehere in the US and Western
world.
That hasn't happened so much,so I was really excited to see
that interview with RussellBrand.
I was like.
That's why I tagged you in it.
It's so exciting.
It's like, wow, maybe we'regonna get out there.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Finally, after all these years, you know it's
almost like and I think part ofit is that until you have
experienced it it's hard forpeople also to understand how
that works.
But you know, and you and Ihave been in this in the
business of healing bodies forsome time now, so in different

(20:47):
ways, so we understand thelittle differently.
But for the average person ithas been, you know, fed
information that like out.
You know you need to outsource,you know your healing it
doesn't come from within, butthe reality is your body heals
itself.
You're just using tool,different tools, for that.
And so you know, in my opinionchiropractic is one of the most

(21:08):
natural ways that the body canheal, because it promotes
circulation and you know itclears way for the right signals
to get in through your body and, you know, prevents accidents
and those kinds of things.
You know.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, I think part of the problem kind of arose on
the premise of the start of itwith Palmer.
Just did somebody T3 and thehearing came back.
And the medical establishmentcannot buy into that.
How could you adjust thethoracic spine in their hearing
come back and then they labeledthat the subluxation, meaning

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that wherever the problem was,that he fixed was a subluxation.
So was it dislocated, it wasjust minorly displaced and those
two things I think set thewhole profession on this fight
to try and be recognized and bemodality.
But that's changing.

(22:10):
In her work, dr Heidi's work isso big because it shows that
it's not a little subluxation,it's just not a bone out of
place, but it's really an impactinto the brain and you're
really affecting the brain inquite conclusive ways.
And it changes the brain, itchanges the pre-clumped cortex,
it changes how you perceive allyour senses.

(22:32):
You get adjusted.
Wow, things look clearer.
How cool is that?
Things sound different and Ican tell you from personal
experience that I had.
I was surfing.
I was quite into surfing incollege and made surfboards,
made thousands of them, but Iwas surfing in, of all places,
malia, lahaina, where they justhad that huge fire and my

(22:54):
parents were members of theLahaina Yacht Club so I'd go
over there and I was surfing andI got this radical ear
infection because in those daysthe hotels kind of dumped a lot
of it sewage wasn't processedvery well, the water was fairly
polluted got a massive earinfection, lost the hearing 100%
in my right ear.
I came back to the US, saw allthese specialists.

(23:16):
They went oh wow, this is likeso sorry, so sad.
You know your toast, it waspretty weird having hearing in
one side of your body and not inthe other.
It's pretty disorienting.
There's lots of stuff you kindof count on, especially with
hearing.
As far as traffic, I meansimple things you wouldn't

(23:38):
expect.
So about eight months later, 10months later, I've just seen all
these specialists.
I'm sitting at the couchwatching a football game which
was off to my left.
So I'm sitting on the couch myhead's turned to the left and
I'm kind of watching thisfootball game, something
exciting happens.
They go wow, am I hearing?
Pop back in and it like came in.

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I was like what?
How is this possible?
This is like it was an infectedear lost all my hearing and I
turn my head back.
I'm like I'm telling all thepeople around me oh, you won't
believe this, am I hearing?
Just came back and then itfaded fairly quickly within an
hour.
But I knew at that moment thatit had something different than
due than a localized injury andwe can say the same thing with

(24:23):
localized back problems and allsorts of things.
But hearing pretty catches yourattention and so I go holy
smokes and so I dove deeper intowhy that might have occurred
and came out like certainadjustments, all these different
things I did that.
I got 80, almost 85% of myhearing path.
Wow, I'm doing that.

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So that was a big aha momentfor me.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
And again, what got you into?

Speaker 3 (24:50):
chiropractic.
It was part of it, so that waspart of it definitely lead in
one of the big things that gotme into it.
I attended the first holistichealth conferences in the world
in San Diego in the mid 70s,called the Mandala conferences,
and at the time I was getting mydegree at San Diego State and I

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ended up getting it in switchedmajors from Naval architecture
because of calculus didn't quiteagree with my Constitution and
so I went from a naval architectand I went to San Diego State
to be on the sailing team.
So I thought, well, yeah,that's well too on design boats,
but midway through calculus andit funny little funny aside on

(25:33):
that my grandfather was anengineer at Caltech and he
designed the Mount Palomartelescope, the base supports for
it, and he oversaw the grindingof the mirror.
He is very German engineer guy.
Wow, yeah, and I see him forcalculus and you go, oh see,
it's so simple.
But he was really big onposture.

(25:54):
He's really big on, you know,you have to have this good
posture and balance and stufflike that.
You know, being a teenager andlittle bit old where you're kind
of like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,I can just hang out.
But that leaves this wholething with technique and we'll
get into that, but so in, yeah.
So I changed careers, went tonursing I was thinking of
becoming a psychiatrist at thetime and I went to the first

(26:16):
Mandala conference and some ofthe presenters became lifetime
friends.
One of them was Paul Brenner,brilliant medical doctor, obgyn
surgeon, later became a PhD,wonderful guy.
And but another one was John Feeand he developed touch for
health oh yeah and so I wastotally captured by that,

(26:39):
because here you are gettingpeople healthy each other like,
right, you're not like being ona high plain, unapproachable
medical doctor in a white coat,you're like learning skill sets
to share with each other tobecome healthier, and they all
based on reflex points andbalance and neural lymphatics

(27:02):
and all this different stuff.
So I was like, well, that ispretty much since I decided to
go visiting at his office and Ihad no idea at the time he was a
chiropractor, so I go up tovisiting.
He was in pasty and altitude inarea.
I go up there.
I go to his office, got a bigoffice, couple stories with a
basement, all these doctorsrunning around, patients running

(27:24):
around.
Next story, yet another buildingfor a bookstore.
Other side was a building for aclassroom.
I'm going well, how cool isthis?
You can teach people how to behealthy and you got books and
stuff people can study a bookperson.
So that was like a hot moment.
I go in and I realized on thedoor that he's actually a

(27:45):
chiropractor and.
I'm like blown away.
And there's all these otherchiropractors work I think at
four or five working for him atthe time, but they were seeing
clients who wanted to be.
Well, there was a couple ofdodger players in the other day
was spent today.
There was like some famoustrack stars, the high jumper, a
couple runners, and they'rewalking around like not because

(28:06):
they're injured, they're walkingaround because they want to be
better.
So I'm like blown away withthat.
And then I go upstairs to hisoffice and his office is like
four tables in a room, open roomwith mirrors, and the patients
are sitting there adjusting eachother with like reflex points
and doing muscle testing andthey're checking points and

(28:27):
going what and his clients hadto learn this touch for health
to become a client and goinghe's on to something pretty good
and then he'd take them afterthey did their balancing each
other.
You take them in the other roomwith private room and he
adjusts his spine and so I wastalking to him as well.
This is pretty amazing.
I really liked your course.
I liked your presentation atthe mandala conference.

(28:51):
He says, well, you need to go tochiropractic school.
Well, that was like okay, andsure enough, he said oh, you got
to go to my school.
I went to Los Angeleschiropractic chiropractic
college.
You know, I give you areference, you gotta go check it
out.
So I did and that careerchanged from a psychiatrist kind

(29:11):
of situation to that and just alittle side on that, when I was
in my nursing program in SanDiego state you had to do a
rotation in the mental healthdepartment.
Mine was at Mercy hospital andthey were in there literally
doing electroshock therapy to 16year olds 14 year olds.
That dazed them for days.
They had no idea where theywere and I went oh, this is much

(29:34):
better, I can do some pointsagainst it replace.
I get some energy flowing.
People fill it in their hands,their eyes light up, they're
like happy.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yay, yeah, so that's what got me into chiropractic
that's so cool I did yeah thatwe could use that right now.
More of that, don't you thinkturn people on, you know, light
them up, you know exactly andagain going back to Heidi's work
.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Dr Heidi, she's showing that when you do turn
them on, their brain changes,and not only does it change, it
like functions better, they seethings differently, their
hearing becomes better, theirbalance changes, a lot of
different things happen, and shewrote a wonderful book.
That's how, when I saw her, shejust finished her book and she

(30:21):
was, you know, doing workshopson what she had found out.
So I'd highly recommendwhoever's listening to this
watch that Russell brandinterview.
She has lots of interviewsonline on YouTube, but the
Russell brand one is just sweet.
It's just concise, it's 30minutes, it's not been take up
all day and if you don't evenspired you might as well be.

(30:44):
Well, I'm gonna say dad, butyou are partly dead.
So and then her books a reallygood book.
It's a short book, it's notvery long.
It's called the reality check.
Yeah website based off of ityeah, she's got little videos
embedded in the book.
It's electronic, but you knowit's an ebook.
I don't know if there's a hardcopy there might be, but I'd get

(31:05):
the electronic version becauseshe has embedded tags that take
you to videos that she's made ofdifferent aspects.
So pretty exciting.
So, yeah, let me give one morething that she did.
That's really fascinating.
That I love is she did a studywith this other person and they
study people about.

(31:26):
You know the concept of play itforward or feedback, feed
forward loops.
So our body runs basically onfeedback loops.
When our thyrids too high,because the feedback loop and it
goes down our temperatures toohigh, right back we cool down.
Well, there's a feed for loopand the feed for loop is that if

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we're going to raise our handsup, the feed for it is is before
we ever raise them, we send asignal to our core and we
stabilize our spine right sostabilizing our core, feed for
right.
We're gonna move our arms andour body knows that before, does
it.
It says this quick message toour core to stabilize, to

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activate, to get, you know,turned on.
And so they took 90 young menand they measured them.
If, when they raise their arms,if they turned on their core,
you know, just, emg is justsimple little test and 17 of
this of the 90 did not.
Now these were, nobody haddiscomfort, nobody had pain,

(32:34):
nobody had to ensure they'reyoung, healthy, you know, young
men.
So six months later theymeasure them again and the same
17, still dysfunctional.
So now, if you think about this,if I have dysfunctional core
and I'm doing these motionsmovements, maybe I get involved
with some sports or golf, that'sa good one.

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And what am I gonna be doing ifI can't, if I activate my core
till after the fact, I'm goingto blow out a back, I'm gonna
blow out a disc, I'm gonna getchanges, I'm gonna get weird
tear, much more dramatic.
And then that's about how manypeople get back problems right,
17 out of 90, severe backproblems, changes, et cetera.
So what they did in this testwas they had the chiropractor

(33:20):
again measure sacred iliac jointmotion movement.
You can do that really easywith lifting up the leg or
pushing on the SI joint and theywere dysfunctional.
So they gave an adjustment,boom, and there was a 40%
improvement after one adjustment40% improvement.

(33:40):
So I'm going wow, all theseteams, these pop born teams.
They do these physicals if youcan play it, if you can play
football, physicals to play anysports in high school and
college, all these sorts ofthings.
Are they checking that, arethey looking at?
Are they activating their coreor are they just making them do

(34:01):
sit ups all day?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
That's what I was gonna say.
It's the extreme right Becausewe have too much core work over
doing it, which also shuts itoff in a way right.
And if they're not?

Speaker 3 (34:15):
activating it, they can do all the core work they
wanna do.
Six months later they're gonnacheck them again and they'll
lift their arms up and, oh, butman, I'm cut.
I got my six pack, yeah, butit's not functional.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, it's not functioning the way core is
supposed to function andactually you're supposed to
relax your core most of the time, right?
People don't know that.
They feel like they have tohold them in, and what that does
is it puts you in a perpetualstate of your rib cage being
flared out like a blowfish,right, and you don't ever relax

(34:48):
that rib cage down.
So that actually puts you inmore of a sympathetic fight, or?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
flight mode right.
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty amazing.
So, I know everybody should runout and get their adjustment
today.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
I feel like it should be part of a healthcare plan,
like that's the real healthcare.
And it's so weird how themedications have taken over.
It's not weird, I mean, I knowwhy, but it's the moneymaker
right.
But if people had empoweredwellness and knew that they
could heal themselves and hadthe skills to do that, then you

(35:27):
wouldn't be able to make as muchmoney in healthcare as they are
doing with the pharmaceuticals.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
That's another thing she brought up was our
perception is our reality.
So our reality is not reallyreal.
In a sense, it's our perceptionof it and that's based on what
we've learned, what we'veexperienced, what we expect to
see and stuff like that.
And John Kevin Zinn was big onthat.
So when I saw him speak, he wasreal big on showing a

(35:55):
presentation of things thatweren't really happening.
So there was a couple hundredpeople that had hit one of his
presentations and he shows uspeople standing in front of an
elevator and a gorilla walksthrough bouncing a ball, and
then he asked the audience howmany times and he told us count
how many times the gorillabounces the ball.
And he asked the audience andthe audience went from 14 to 20,

(36:16):
how many times did he bouncethe ball?
The perception of two hundredpeople was like very few people
got the exact number, which, asI recall, is something like 17.
I'm like, oh man, that'sdisgusting.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, which makes you think, wow, what a big
difference, right, yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:31):
yeah.
So she's showing, and there arestudies that this thing with
this pre-channel cortex and thebrain changes is one of them is
how we perceive pain, and sowe've got this whole epidemic of
pain going on now and we've gotthis whole opioid problem in
the country, and I think that'sone of the things that's going

(36:53):
to bring chiropractic more tothe front, because most people
realize that it helps with backpain, not realizing it helps
with almost every kind of pain,because it alters your
perception of what that pain is.
So I think that opioid crisis Idon't know if anybody watched
the movie Pain Killer or thePharmacist, but you should watch

(37:16):
both those because they're likehorrifying.
But that's what's going on andnow, instead of that, which was
in 2000 to 2015 or so, and nowit's fit and all and it's about
people trying to change theirperception, when maybe they
could just get their spine andtheir function going better,

(37:37):
which she shows absolutelychanges the brain interpretation
of events.
Wow, how cool would that be?
Doctor goes to the pain clinic.
Well, did you get your 20adjustments already?
Pretty adjustments.
No, I'm here for my script,right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, yeah.
And then with the adjustmentsgoes the program that you do on
your own to keep thoseadjustments right, so there has
to be.
There's a level ofself-responsibility and then, as
that continues, the higherlevel of understanding of what's
happening in your body.
Because, working with clientsover the years who are coming

(38:15):
off injuries, they're verydepressed in the beginning.
They feel like this issomething that cannot change,
that they're gonna be like thisfor the rest of their lives.
And what I tell them is no,like, this is just the beginning
of your journey.
Here it's you're taking it onestep at a time and you're going
to improve.
You just gotta start seeing thelight at the end of the tunnel

(38:36):
and just take it one step at atime, you know, and gradually
they, you know, as your bodystarts to align itself, you
start to feel stronger, morestable.
Your brain feels that, you know, like that is literally what.
You start to embody that energy.
But, like for you know, yeah, wehave tons of medications to

(38:58):
just take the pain away or thedepression, you know, but that's
never.
It never seems to be a solutionfor people because it's not an
empowered way to do it.
You're searching the solutionfrom outside yourself instead of
from within, and I'm tellingpeople a lot lately, like it's,

(39:18):
you can't find the answersoutside yourself.
You know you can find support.
You can find, you know,guidance and those kinds of
things, but you first have to goin to find the right kind of
guidance, the right kind ofsupport right, right yeah.
When you're in pain.
It's different, though, too, soyou know that's a.
It is.
You need support in those, yeah, in those times.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
You can see the arrow which magnifies the pain.
Yeah, so it makes itchallenging.
I found early on in my careerthat two types of people I
didn't like working with so muchthose with unworked comp and
people who had auto accidents.
And I'm just saying that likeworking with them was so well,
because if a guy went out therea week and wore your hurt
himself, same kind of injuryright, nick injury fell off his

(39:59):
motorbike, whatever, surfinghead plant, whatever they were
motivated to get out back and doit, but the auto injured the
work comp.
They didn't want to go back towork and so this they didn't
seem to get better till the casesettled.
And then it was so long gatedthat they now implanted the
pattern they have changed theirbrain literally was that the

(40:22):
Buddhist brain.
The neural pathways towardsdisease, disablement, were in
place.
I'm going whoa, you got tobreak that.
It's not worth the whateveryou're trying to get out of this
settlement to change your lifeover right.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
And change your.
Is that a learned helplessnessstate in your opinion?
Is that what that is?

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Secondary gains oftentimes right.
So their secondary gain wasmaybe not working economic
settlement, maybe they didn'thave to work around the house or
whatever you know, they didn'thave to perform for their spouse
.
So lots of secondary gainthings out there.
And which brings up kind ofJohn Sarno.
He's another one I reallyadmired, john Sarno medical

(41:08):
doctor we have a specialist outof I think might have been
Columbia University.
He goes well, like all theseproblems that he was seeing was
back problems.
We have specialists, all theseback problems.
And then when MRIs were inventedhe noticed on MRIs of the GI
tract people's spines weremissed, they had herniated disc,

(41:30):
they had arthritis and they hadno complaints.
He's going wait a minute.
Why do some people havecomplaints and none?
And the ones with no complaintsare often worse and we're
diagnosing and treating based onan X-ray or an MRI in this case
, and we're saying, well, yougot to take out the disc, you
got to do this, you got to dothat, and yet this other one has

(41:51):
the same issues, no complaint.
What's different on this?
So he did a deep dive into thatand came up with it.
That is TMS, tension, musclesyndrome, tension around the
area.
Now they would say what's tight, trying to prevent them being
injured.
He goes no, it's becausethey're in rage that isn't being

(42:12):
expressed, it's in their brain,telling their body that they're
totally in, you know,unresolved rage, and it's
tightening up all this area.
Once the play goes down inthere, they'll have all this
pain, but they're getting cut on, they're getting medicated.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah, and then he expanded that over the years
Each book came out with well,maybe that could be related to
oh, neck tension shoulders.
Then it was like, oh, asthmamight be related to that.
Oh yeah, it could be.
Oh, so yeah you got to love it.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, because it is about the fascia too.
So the fascia stores theemotions, it stores the energy
right, and if it doesn't getexpressed or released, then it's
going to create that tension inthe body.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, and you have all these weird pain symptoms.
You have people on medicationfor life, bringing their lives
and whoo, it doesn't make anysense.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
It doesn't make any sense.
We just have to start waking upon an individual level to
realize that this isn't workingand we got to stop doing this.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Get adjusted.
Yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
It seems to me to be the easiest path, like I feel
like I'm all you know.
I get weekly adjustments andit's mainly because I was a
gymnast and I was unwinding allthat stuff and I have had many,
many tailbone injuries and Irealized that that was something
I needed to also look at andwork on.
And the tailbone injury I feellike initially resulted in a

(43:42):
knee injury which was resultedin reconstructive knee surgery.
So I've been just kind ofunwinding all that and it's been
amazing.
I just feel I feel better nowthan I did in my 20s, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
And so you know, I want to talk a little bit about
that too, because this issomething I've been thinking
about with the tailbone.
For many people, I know this isa common injury to land on your
tailbone, right?

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Right, right Very common.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah.
So what does that do to aperson?
It's almost like a head injurywhen we injure our tailbone
right.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
So one of my favorite people who I got to study with
for a few years before it passedaway was Major Dejanette.
Then he discovered histechnique was sacral occipital
technique Sacrum occipitalthey're connected to the spine.
If there's any interferencealong the way where the coccyx
sits on the tailbone, that sitson the sacrum and there's

(44:36):
ligaments, there's coccyxialligaments in there and there's a
whole branch of chiropracticthat's based on releasing those
ligaments related to the coccyx.
You just got to love this stuff.
So the problem is it's a littleawkward to be treating that.
So a lot of people kind ofsteered away from it.
But some of them didn't andthey got really good at

(44:56):
releasing this.
But a lot of injuries.
I had one myself when I wentover to a friend's office.
He had his couch in his mainpart of his office.
I went to sit down and I justwent boom right to the board on
the bottom of the couch.
He didn't tell me about it andthere was just a soft couch with
no support and I injure mytailbone for like three years.

(45:17):
After that considered a movietheater.
You know it's pretty painful.
And then I started working onit, releasing it, doing
diathermy on it, bringing energyback to the area, doing this
sacroloxipital type of techniqueto it to get that function.
But it is, it's common.
I saw a lot of those entrieswhen different sports got in

(45:38):
effect, it was for skateboarding, then it was rollerblading.
That was a big one.
And then what was the next one?
Rollerblading, landing on yourtailbone.
Oh, I know snowboarding.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I was going to say snowboarding.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, I've done that.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
I've injured my tailbone on that.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Yeah, In the beginning it's just boom on your
butt, right, yeah, yeah,exactly.
And when you're learning you'reon the hard stuff, You're not
on the soft powder, you're onthe Right yeah so a lot of them,
and it's the lack of being ableto steer Like.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
I couldn't steer it, so I had to fall because I was
like I don't want to run into atree.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
So you know, Right right.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
But also gymnastics too.
I had some pretty bad tailboneinjuries, like one time I landed
on the on my tailbone, on theedge of the beam where the metal
part comes out.
You know, that was really and I.
That was so bad that I totallyforgot about it.
And later my dad said don't youremember that injury?
I'm like oh yeah, I totallyforgot about that.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Yeah, no, I just associated with it.
It was so painful.
I was headed out of bodyexperience, Exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
So, but it really relates to everything though,
because, again, it's the otherend of the spine right.
So we tend to focus up here alot.
But also, you know, and I feellike there's a spiritual
component to it as well, becauseI remember hearing something I
don't know if you've heard thisbefore, but I know that they
talked about in some in peoplewho were really like ascended

(47:10):
masters or people who werereally studying to be fully.
You know, spiritually ascendedwould work on their like they
might have.
If their tailbone was out ofalignment, they would have to
readjust it or they would haveto break it to put it back into
place.
You know, have you ever heardanything like that in a
spiritual community?

Speaker 3 (47:29):
I haven't quite heard that.
I mean it's the whole thingwith Kundalini and I think all
of us are sort of studied thatat some point trying to get the
release of the.
Kundalini.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Did you say Elvis?

Speaker 3 (47:42):
No, no, we all delved into it.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Oh delved.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yeah, I don't know about Elvis.
He may have, I don't know.
I don't think so, though, butwe all sort of dove into it,
right, we wanted Kundalini.
You look at the caduces inmedicine.
They got the snakes crossinggoing up the caduces.
That's all related to thatenergy coming from the tailbone
area up through the spine andcoming to the top.

(48:06):
But it's that inner plane ofthe energy.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
I haven't heard of breaking it to change it, but I
have To put it back into placebecause maybe, yeah, to realign
it, yeah, exactly.
But I was like that seemsextreme, like I would not want
to do that yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
No, but a lot of people have misshapen tailbones.
The tailbone's been burnt,falls particularly and it gets
tucked up under and it can causeproblems with constipation.
A lot of neurological input.
There's a lot of nerves in thatarea that can affect sexuality.
A lot of different things.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
And you can adjust it .
It can be hyperactivity as well, right, Because the nervous
system's heightened Like anykind of spinal misalignment.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
I feel like it could create that too, yeah.
Right, yeah, there's a greatone.
Who is that Kind of think?
Not Russell Grand, but oh, whois that guy?
He'll come to me.
He has a presentation out thereon ADD in Young Boys and in the
presentation he shows who's thepsychologist in Canada who's

(49:13):
being canceled.
Who is that guy?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Oh, Jordan Peterson.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
That's it.
Good one, I knew you'd catchthat.
Yeah, george, you see there'sthis grand deal of a I don't
know a young 10-year-old kid,something 18-year-old, and he's
on a jungle gym doing hand,pulls across and he's going down
and he gets off and he'sjumping on these different tops
of these logs, boom, boom, boom,boom, boom, boom.
He does it again over and overand he's going.

(49:42):
Jordan Peterson's going.
Add is a construct because boysaren't getting enough exercise
and you gotta give them enoughexercise till they're exhausted
or you're gonna get like ADD.
It's just that fake guide tohouses.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
And I'm going wow, is that not true, right?
Yeah, so you talk about allthese kids on these drugs now
you know, my girlfriend's aprofessor and the kids coming
into college now, like so manyof them, on medications, and
they start off on thesemedications when they're young
and they're like speedmedications, but when they're

(50:20):
young it acts in a contrarianway, so it seems to calm them
down, and then they get to acertain age and then they start
acting more like speed and nowthey're all training these drugs
to stay awake in college.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Oh my gosh, that's terrible.
Yeah, it's weird because I'm soglad they didn't have the drugs
when I was younger because,exactly, I was like I'm.
You know, I was on allergymedicine and that was bad enough
, but you know it.
Just Kids are meant to move andlike the way that we're putting
them in school it's just notconducive, it's not natural, to

(50:55):
what they're supposed to have alot of energy, they're supposed
to be able to do a lot ofphysical activity but yet we're
making them into like miniatureadults or something and having
them, you know, sit for longerAdult discussions.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, I remember when I first oh, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I just was listening over hearing a gentleman.
He was walking his son I don'tknow his son was probably like
five just home from school, andthen the conversation that they
were having.
I was just like you're talkingto your kid like an adult, like
what you need Exactly, likewhat's happening right now, like
he doesn't understand whatyou're saying, like no, no, it's

(51:38):
so true.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
So true, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
But what?

Speaker 3 (51:45):
were you gonna say before tumor birth?
I got into what you were sayingwith this adult, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Well, yeah, just we don't and I thought about this
too like no wonder so manyadults feel like there's so much
suppression and their emotionsand their expression.
Because we, you know, as we, asmore people become adults, like
in these, these generationsthat we're having, you know, be
so restricted and with schooland then with what they're doing

(52:15):
and keeping them safe in thename of keeping them safe or
whatever it is, you know, it'slike there's not any room to
play, and so when you become anadult and you're not, you
weren't allowed to play as achild what do you think is gonna
happen?
You know you're gonna blow upbecause you know you have no way
, no outlet.
You know no way to.

(52:35):
I mean, you know what youtalked about in the beginning.
Cliff was like people, thepeople who actually did the
laughing in the morning, foundall the success, but so many
people would not be open to thatbecause they have never really
opened themselves to play.
And that's play right there,you know, and as an adult it's

(52:57):
different, you know, than whenyou're a kid, but you have to be
able to do it.
When you're a kid, you have tobe able to play, you have to
have some freedom there toexplore yourself on the physical
level too.
It's just like to me, it's just.
But also there are kids thatare doing physical stuff but
they're in more organized sportsand stuff like that.
So they're over-scheduled,overworked, you know, and it's

(53:20):
just sad, it's like what are wedoing right now, you know?

Speaker 3 (53:26):
I remember what I was gonna say, but like, I remember
the first time a client came into me, a patient, and they said
that they no longer were gonnahave PE because they didn't want
to take showers.
And I went wait, you're nothaving PE because you don't want
to take a shower after PE.
Yeah, I can only do it if I'min the last class of the day.

(53:49):
That's six period or somethinglike that.
And I went what?
So nobody's going to PE exceptsix period because they can't
take showers.
And so, since they can't takeshowers, they want to be
smelling class.
So they just cancel PE.
So like there's no physicaleducation, there's no getting
out there and running around.

(54:10):
I was like blown away.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Well then, that what happens, Cliff, is when you
become an adult.
You don't value physicalexercise, right?
And so guess what happens, Iknow, and your brain's being
seduced with these devices.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yeah, and these devices are just causing us to
our ability to have awareness intheir early, focusing it to the
exclusion of other things.
I have a queen's who steppedoff a curb in front of a car and
got killed because she was sofocused on her device.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
And that's not rare.
I remember when I first was inAustralia I think it was around
2005, went out with the studentsand they go out and they were
like on their phones textingimmediately since classes, as we
walked over to a restaurant and, looking around me, I'm the
only one without a devicebecause texting hadn't caught on
in the US.
It was like an added expense,but their talking was expensive

(55:09):
and texting was cheap.
So everybody's on their devicetexting.
I'm like, I'm all like this.
You know they're just down andgoing oh, this isn't a good look
, this is problematic from theget go.
So I started taking pictures.
I had this huge collection ofpictures of people all done to
death.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
That's a great idea.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Yeah, technically, tex-nik, tex-nik.
And so you got this 10 pound,12 pound bullying ball that's
going forward, compressing itinto the spine.
Yeah, and it's at a young age.
It's like five year olds, it'ssix year olds.
You can't go anywhere, youcan't go to a restaurant, you
can't go to the beach, you can'tgo anywhere where people are

(55:50):
life path and it's dramaticallychanging.
You're seeing people puttingchanges in their necks at 16 or
three changes in the neck at 16,wear and tear, so talking about
what that does at prefrontalagain and the whole brain and
the circulation and the spinalfluid and it's just a disaster

(56:10):
just rolling down the highwaywithout any apparent way of
changing it.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah, because the signal will stop if your head's
too forward.
And it won't.
The brain will almost be cutoff from the body, which is so
interesting, right?
And?

Speaker 3 (56:26):
these muscles at the base of the skull become tighter
and tighter and more restricted, to the point where you can't
drop your head down and can'tlet you out?

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah, kyphosis used to be just something that
happened to older people.
Right now it's like youngpeople are experiencing it.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Dramatically?
Not even slightly.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, so it's crazy.
I saw one day I've seen thisactually more than once somebody
on their phone on their bike,looking down at their phone on
their bike.
I'm like that is insane.
What are we doing right now,like we're just.
It's just such a disconnect.
So I did this thing where and Ithink I'm gonna do this more

(57:07):
often I feel like everybodycould do this and see what they
get from this.
But a week detox off of socialmedia, at least you know, just a
week.
Just give yourself a week andjust try it and just see how you
feel after that.
And I was like this was lovely,like I felt, like I was and I

(57:30):
don't really I don't feel likeI'm on my phone all the time,
but still the amount of socialmedia that I was consuming was
having effect on my reality andI felt the shift of reality when
I stopped for that week.
And from now and so, now I'mgonna recalibrate how I'm gonna
use it, because I just, you know, I can't take that

(57:54):
disconnection like that.
That's not.
I don't feel like it really, itdoesn't serve me at all to be
feeling like I'm always focusingon this, consuming other
people's information, because itagain it's like these aren't
people, like some people I knowpersonally, but some people I
don't, and so does that reallymatter to my life.

(58:16):
And so getting back to peoplethat you know, who your friends
with, who were in your life, whowere in your community, I think
is really important for us tostep back into like okay, you
know, because this mental healththing is a big thing right now
and I feel like this is part ofit is because we're in our heads
, like you said in the verybeginning, and we're on our

(58:38):
phones and we're disconnectingour brain from our body and it's
like we need to get back.
Exactly very narrow.
So I feel like the only way wecan do that is to just almost
like a detox is gonna be.
The word detox is gonna becompletely different from now.
Right, we need to.
We need to detox, because Iremember when I first met you I

(59:00):
don't even think that, I meansocial media was just starting
to come in.
But it wasn't like it is now andwe weren't using it like we do
now, and so I mean, I wasstarting to feel like, oh, wow,
this is what it felt like beforeall this came in, like, and
this is, this is not something Ireally need.
I didn't even really miss itand I was like, wow, this is

(59:24):
having an effect on me.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
You know my well, there's something to be said,
for ignorance is bliss right.
Yeah, there is I mean, there'san old saying, there's a story
about Tick Nautan.
You know he wrote like 100books and Buddhist meditation,
teacher peace, you know, tryingto get peace in the world.

(59:46):
And there's an old story abouthim walking into somebody's
house and he walks in and in thecorner of the house they have a
nice big TV.
There's a box TV back then andon the top there is the picture
of Buddha and it gets kind ofupset with a guy's house.
He's going why do you have theBuddha on this box?

(01:00:07):
That brings all this awfulnessinto your house.
Oh wow, I'm thinking who we are,this little device that brings
in all the troubles of the world.
Right, if we stop and take offthe device and we look around
our office, it doesn't appear tobe happening, right, it doesn't

(01:00:29):
appear to be all this chaos andhorribleness and fear.
Let me just somebody's tryingto send me a little bit of a
step, don't accept.
Okay, we'll just keep talking.
Can you hear me, okay?

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Is it fear?
And acronym for what is anacronym for?

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
False, false evidence that appears real Right.
So who you are, you're beingdriven by this thing.
You know you got the Buddha bysitting on this box that's
bringing in the worlds, and theydon't show you good news on
those.
No, they don't show youanything that's happy.
I noticed that my dreams changea lot if I connect to social

(01:01:09):
media during the evening.
So I'm a big fan of dreamingand looking at your dreams and
trying to get a little bearingon them, and they change enough
for the better.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Yeah, no, I noticed that too.
I was actually thinking aboutthat this morning.
Yeah, about how my dreams if Ieven also if I watch a show
before I go to bed, you know, oryeah, or if I get on social
media yeah, it does affect that.
Yeah, yeah, pretty radical.
What have you noticed with yourdreams?
So how it affects it?
Do you feel like?

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
There's more uncertainty, there's more fear
in them, there's more thingsthat aren't clearly happening in
a positive way.
So I like dreaming.
I have tons of dream dreams Igot, I don't know a lot of them.
Yeah, I look back on them.
And if there's repetitivedreams and they're going to do a

(01:02:04):
dream process, that I learnedfrom Robert Johnson, but now
they're not, they're not,there's not repetitive again,
going back to social media, andthen, if I'm away from it, I'm
traveling, I'm in Canada atHolly Hawk, one of those places.
They're completely different,right.
So there's a certain thingabout there's a certain degree

(01:02:24):
of your dreams are molded byyour experiences of that day.
Right, if that day is watchinga Netflix movie, it's not so
happy.
And then looking at socialmedia, oh, wow, whoa he hot.
And then, oh, night night, allyour subconscious is working
away in there, wow, processingthat thing, clearing that bridge

(01:02:48):
out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Absolutely.
And the thing is like, do weneed to?
You know, I'm not saying Ialways tell people like I don't
think it's great to bedelusional about reality, but I
also think that you can't reallydo anything about that outside
fear, porn or whatever is beingput out to you.

(01:03:12):
What you can do is work onyourself and your own shadows,
your own stuff around that youknow like.
So if you know your somethingcomes up from all of that and
you're feeling like it needs tomove through, then that's what
you work on.
You know, like we talked aboutin the beginning with the fascia
, it holds all these memories.

(01:03:33):
It holds all these you knowtraumas and experiences and even
like stuff you watch.
I think I feel like that youhold that kind of stuff in there
too.
Right, so it's.
The detox is really aboutdetoxing information.
You know, not outsourcing yourown insight and perception and
way of seeing things out toother people.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
That includes your intuition.
Yeah, like, how about as aparent?
So you're a parent and youalways tell your kids I want you
to hang out with the good kids.
I don't want you to hang it outwith the bums and that you know
whatever, so it's the same withyour thoughts, right, hang out
with.
You know good people, goodthoughts, good.
You know people who can besupportive and, you know,

(01:04:18):
enhance your life, don't hangout with the fear-faced people.
I mean, there's so many people,you know, the conspiracy
theorists.
Unfortunately, conspiraciesseem to be real these days, but
they do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Yeah, but you can get really wound up in it.
I mean, I've got friends hereso wound up into them that
they're.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
You know they're altering their lives and you
know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Well, it's because we're creating our reality.
We are doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Right, that's it.
That's it so many times.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Everybody there's.
That's been said many times,but I don't.
Yeah, that's the thing like ifyou have the blinders on, it
gets pretty trippy, honestly.
But I think that that's whereyou have to start with yourself,
because you have to, you know,start discovering what is there,
you know?

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
I mean, that's what I like about, like open focus
brain and Trisnimi's work, thegreat folk, open focus brain,
and then they're described well,how we have awareness, how we
pay attention and we have, likethese four degrees of paying
attention, one's very narrowobjective.
Well, that's can be very fearbased, it's very stressful, and
then we shift from one thing toanother, which is concept

(01:05:28):
shifting, which is verystressful on the brain, on the
body on the tension, your neckboom, boom, boom.
And then the other end of thatis to be immersely diffused in
the moment.
That's like, oh, it's likebeing on the stream of your life
, oh, trying to fly fish orsomething.
Ah, you know, it's like, wow,it's all here.

(01:05:51):
We're all immersed in themoment, we're totally spirit
that.
We're not like, oh, my back iskilling me.
Oh, jesus Well, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
It's limiting because you're limiting yourself to
that small space you knowinstead of realizing we actually
are infinite within our energyand we there's no, there's no,
like there's no ending to it, Isuppose.
So if you think about that,that feels really expansive.
You know, you're just like, wow, okay, I don't really need to

(01:06:22):
do anything right now and I canjust be here right now, in the
moment, and then this will leadme to the next moment.
You know and that's really inmy opinion, how time actually
works, but we've been led tobelieve that it's linear.
You know that we have to dokind of do sequential this to
this, to this.
It's like no, like that's justan illusion in a way.

(01:06:43):
That's kind of what keeps us inthis, this perpetual suffering.
You know, kind, of mode.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Yeah, I mean, you think about it.
When you're passionate aboutsomething, when you're involved,
when you're in love, yeah, Timechanges, yes, it does.
The passage of time.
When you're bored, when you'relike in fear, you're on linear
time, literally.
Yeah, oh man, another minutegoes by.
Wait.
I need my pain meds, oh, no, mypsychotropic meds.

(01:07:10):
Oh, is it time for my prose?

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Exactly, exactly, yeah.
Yeah, we're afraid to let go.
We're afraid to let go and do,and I can be.
I can attest to that my life.
You know, everybody's beenthere.
We all are afraid to let go,but again, it's like it takes
just you practicing.
Like I said with the stuff Iteach, it's about prioritizing

(01:07:38):
the time with yourself, reallylike being with yourself and
finding out what is there.
You know what is there infinding the right support along
the way as well, of course, withthe right people.
But we have to all start withour own insight, our own
guidance, you know, and how wewant to do things and stop
outsourcing it to the media,including social media.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
You know, I think it was Bradshaw that said we've
been great young, we're startingour life and we get our
experience and we're giving asack and in this sack we put all
of our issues, our challenges,our troubles.
By a time where young teenagersthe sack's getting a little
bigger but we're still carryingit because we're not letting go.
By a time where a young adult,late teenager the sack's getting

(01:08:24):
bigger.
By a time where an actual youngadult the sack's so big we can
barely get in an elevator andwe're still carrying it.
We carry it to the end and thethings we're eating is down and
man letting go is such a skill.
I put a list together.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Well and that's why your back hurts.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Yeah, about eight exercises of letting go.
And I tell my clients, justpick one of them, One of these
exercises about letting go, justpick one or two or three and
just practice letting go and getthat sack to start unloading,
free yourself up, you know.
Laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Exactly.
Yeah because it's like when wetake life too seriously, it's
just it becomes really heavy.
Right, it becomes really heavyQuickly.
Yeah, this has been an amazingconversation, Cliff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Yeah, so glad we hooked up.
I'm glad you liked Heidi DrHeidi's presentation with
Russell Bram.
That was great.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Yeah, and I'm going to get her book for sure.
Yeah, it's highly recommended.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
It's a fairly easy read.
Get the electronic, like I said, because there's embedded links
to her videos that she's puttogether.
That are nice, simple videos.
Reacquair me and hopefully youraudience can all dive in and
get her book, support her work.
She's in New Zealand and worksout of chiropractic college

(01:09:46):
there Great stuff and it'sinspiring stuff.
Yeah, you want to get inspired.
Read this stuff.
Look at her little videos ago.
Well, I can do that.
I can get that.
I can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Yeah, because it's empowering to know we can heal
ourselves, right yeah exactly.
I mean, it's all here.
Nature wouldn't have done itany other way, right?
I mean this is, it's a fullpackage, right?
We just don't know how tonavigate.
It's like I've said this beforeit's like stepping into this
high tech like spaceship orspace vehicle and just being

(01:10:18):
like not even know, not evenbeing able to understand what
the controls are, because it'sintuitive, right?
So that's how our body workstoo.
It's like we're in this, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
So first time went to Byron Bay, Australia.
I got to go out to the Steinerschool.
Here they call it Waldorf's,but the Rudolph Steiner school
in.
Bale.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Bay so.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
I sit there and the people I was staying with,
they're kids in the school.
So I'm hanging out and watchingthe school and doing the stuff.
And then I see the olderstudents and I realize that the
primary teacher goes all the waythrough with them, right?
So they go from kindergarten to12th grade the same teacher I'm
going.
Well, this teacher knows a lotabout these people.

(01:10:57):
What if we started a book onthe kids and it was going to be
their owner's manual?
Now wouldn't that be cool.
We started a little owner'smanual.
Wow, how I responded.
I felt down, I got hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
That would be such a good idea, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
I just tried this thing.
I had these dreams.
I had this, an owner's manual.
I thought, wow, we should dothis, we should, everybody
should get their owner's manualgoing.
So when they hit 30, 40 andgoing through the divorce or
whatever they go oh wait, aminute.
I had resiliency back when Ifell off that bicycle.
I needed stitches but I washanging in there or whatever,

(01:11:34):
right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Right yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
That's genius.
I love that idea You'll have totake it out and get it out now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yeah, definitely your next project, right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
No, no, I'll give it to you.
I'm passing the torch.
Oh boy it's quite a project.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
We didn't even talk about your musical career.
Your photography You're amazing.
You're my inspiration for notjust having one identity but
many different ones, and tryingthem on and showing people that
they can do that too.
So yeah, thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Well, we'll do it another time.
I appreciate the flute.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
You are so welcome.
It's my pleasure.
I'm glad you're enjoying it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Oh yeah, well, good chatting and we'll meet up again
down the road.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yeah, Do you want to leave anybody without?
What are you offering thesedays?
What do you want?

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
to offer the audience .
I'm just mainly doing onlineconsulting People who want to
dive a little deeper into theirlives, find tools, techniques
that they might help straightenthem out.
They might need some help withlab tests interpretations, so I
do more like coaching work.
I would call it now Okay.
Yeah, you know, coaching themthrough their rough spots.

(01:12:57):
They're.
Hopefully they want to just bea better human being.
Maybe they don't want to changeat all and they just have some
issues that they need to talkabout.
So that's what I do.
So I do that two days a week,monday and Wednesday.
I can contact my office8-5-8-272-2333, or they can sit

(01:13:19):
in email.
My staff's in Monday.
Wednesday she's on vacationthis week for the doTERRA
conference in Utah.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Yeah, they can come to see Yellowstone.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
We're excited about that.
But otherwise, yeah, they cancall, they can leave an email,
they can post office email, justdrccoliburthattnet Wonderful.
Yeah, I'm happy to chat withpeople and help them on their
journey.
All right, we'll talk about allthis stuff we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Exactly, yeah, empowered and true and proud
wellness is when your body, youknow how to use the tools that
your body provides, in myopinion, and read it too.
So thank you so much, cliff,it's been a pleasure.
Thank you.
And I hope to get out there andvisit you sometime soon again.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
All right Hope to see you All right, see you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Thank you and we'll see you in the next video.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Thanks for watching.
Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,
bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

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