February 11, 2024 • 60 mins
Today Greg shares his archetype-based healing program, a transformative journey toward self-discovery and healing that synthesizes the teachings of Paul Chek and Caroline Myss.
Greg's own story of overcoming mental and physical health has refined his holistic coaching methods, empowering listeners to chart their own course toward personal freedom.
Have you ever wondered how deep-seated archetypal patterns influence your self-worth, your ability to set boundaries, or your survival instincts in times of stress? Our dialogue ventures into the intricate dance of survival archetypes, particularly the 'prostitute' archetype, and its role in life's high-stakes negotiations.
Greg shares his insights on navigating life transitions, recognizing childhood dependencies, and embracing the transformation from dependency to self-assured autonomy. He explains how these archetypal energies play out in real-world scenarios, from the coaching industry's unique negotiation challenges to the broader quest for empowerment.
We discuss how these foundational forces mold our perceptions, affect our relationships, and intersect with our spiritual beliefs. Greg offers a pathway toward resolving divine misconceptions and forging a more fulfilling connection with our personal image of God. With a blend of personal insights and archetypal wisdom, this episode is not just a conversation; it's an invitation to a deeper understanding of the forces that shape us.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Your life is your greatest work of art, and it all
relates back to the synchronouspeace.
Welcome to Integrate Yourself.
I'm your host, alison Pillow,and you can find me at
alisonpillowcom.
Today I'm here with a veryspecial guest, greg Schmouse,
who is on my show for the thirdtime, and I'm very honored to
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have him on again for the thirdtime on my show Yay.
And so he is coming out with anew program, a new course, and
we're going to talk about thattoday.
He's the CEO of Healing 4D, aholistic health practitioner.
He's a shamanic energy healer,a massage therapist, and he is
the creator of Healing the Mind,a 21-day holistic mental health
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program, and he has a newprogram that, again, we're going
to talk about.
That involves the archetypesand learning about that and
using those archetypes to healyourself.
With a fully integratedapproach to physical and mental
health, greg supports studentsacross the world in gaining
understanding and meaning totheir healing journey.
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Through his online programs andpersonal client coaching, greg
guides students and clientstowards higher awareness,
empowerment and freedom in theirlives through authentic
lifestyle practices.
Over the past decade, greg hascoached countless clients with
various physical and mentalhealth challenges, integrating
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the lessons of many of his greatteachers and mentors, including
Paul Czech and Alberto ViloVilido, I think, is how you say
it I think I had trouble withthat name last time too and his
professional journey began withthe Czech Institute in 2013,
studying holistic health andcorrective exercise.
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In 2017, greg was inspired toearn credentials as a licensed
clinical massage therapist andbody worker through the
Institute for TherapeuticMassage.
Following his studies with ITM,he enrolled and completed the
four wins Light Body School,studying shamanic energy
medicine in 2020.
Greg believes that we are allon a unique healing journey that
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paves the way back home towholeness.
Greg's personal journey,healing from various physical
and mental health challenges, isthe foundation of each one of
his coaching programs.
With this foundation, greg isable to coach and teach his
students and clients from aplace of authentic, embodied
experience.
Greg, thank you so much forbeing on the show again.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
You're so welcome.
It's an honor to have you here,and today we are going to talk
about your new program and,please, I know it's an archetype
program, but I can't rememberIs it seven archetypes?
I've been studying, I startedthe course and it's really
amazing.
So, yeah, we're going to getinto that, but first I wanted to
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have you reintroduce everybody,just in case they didn't listen
to the last couple of shows youwere on on Integrate Yourself,
and then also give everybody anupdate on what you're doing now
and what you've done since.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
And yeah, just, and then we'll weave in some stuff
in there as well.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I know you're going to read the full bio.
I, like you know, I have thisthing about knowing, especially
in this day and age.
You know where there are a lotof imposters.
I want to know how people gotto where they are, where they
are in life and why they'reteaching things.
I want to know their backgroundand I'm also just curious about
their stories.
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So that's why I like to give afull bio for people, so that
people can get an idea of whothey're talking to and where
they've been.
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, I won't share my backgrounds in a way that
just repeats what you justshared, so I'll share it in
another way.
You know my journey intoholistic health and healing has
always been inspired by my ownhealing, you know.
For me that started I would sayit started back in college, but
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obviously that's not truebecause we're on a healing
journey that's pretty muchinfinite and eternal, like we're
um.
But a lot of my challenges inthis lifetime started more
towards the end of high schooland into college when I started
having a lot of anxiety and OCDand gut issues.
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So, like my health was startingto break down from an early age
.
I was kind of going into like myown crisis and that was kind of
like my initiation into thisworld of healing and I always
felt driven and guided by my ownjourney and everything that I
decided to explore whether itwas nutrition and lifestyle,
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coaching, massage therapy,energy, medicine, archetypes all
of it was really inspired by mewanting to get a job and I was
really inspired by my ownjourney.
I was inspired by me wanting toreally heal internally for me,
wanting to come to a greaterunderstanding of myself and the
healing journey and then usethat as a foundation or platform
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to help others.
So I've always looked at mychallenges as an opportunity to
discover more about myself, butthen to use that as an
opportunity to serve the world.
And that's really what's kindof been my guiding light getting
me up until this point wherenow it's kind of ventured off
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into writing, podcasting, coursecreation, coaching, clients, so
kind of dabbling in a littlebit of all of that.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, that's amazing.
So you're writing a book nowtoo, and that's incredible.
You and I've talked about that,and that's just a big next step
to write a book for sure.
I wanted to ask about thearchetypes because I know when I
took your course, you gave abackground on how you came to
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build this course and whoinfluenced you on your journey
there.
And two of the people well, oneof the people, of course, is
Paul Check, but two other peoplethat I was really curious about
is Caroline Miss and Matt Kahn,who I haven't seen Matt Kahn in
a long time, but I was justcurious in how you got connected
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with both of them and what ledyou to really study their work
and what you learned from them,and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, so Paul Check was my first mentor, who was the
first person to introduce me toarchetypes.
So I was a client of his goingback almost 10 years ago and so
I started to explore archetypesand I work with him and
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obviously the Check Instituteteaches some of the archetypes
as well.
But it wasn't until about fourto five years ago that I really
became more interested inCaroline Miss's version of the
archetypes.
My partner introduced me toCaroline Miss and some of her
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deeper explorations of thesurvival archetypes which we'll
get into.
So I ended up taking a deepdive and actually doing some of
her certification training onbeing an archetypal consultant
and being able to work withwhat's called the archetype
wheel, which combines astrologyand archetypes altogether into
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one which is pretty unique.
So I spent many years studyingCaroline's work to really
understand the essence of thefour survival archetypes.
And then Matt Kahn has been oneof my favorite spiritual
teachers.
Really, I would say in the lastfive plus years I followed his
work very closely and done somehealing sessions with him, went
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to some workshops with him, soI've just really enjoyed the way
that he works energetically andso I've applied in this course
some of his energetic healingprinciples and some of the
techniques that I use workingwith the archetypes, and I've
also included some of RichardSchwartz's work from IFS, which
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is Internal Family Systems,which is working with the
different parts of the psychewhich are really archetypes.
So a lot of that work is kindof repurposed archetype work.
So I just kind of drew on a lotof these different teachers and
modalities and kind of put ittogether as one working system
and that's what this coursebecame.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, and you did such a great job with it and
articulating it as well, as it'svery clear and easy to follow
but profoundly life-changing insome ways when people realize
that they're playing out thesepersonalities, and it can be
really empowering to step out ofthat and know who you are,
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aside from those characters thatyou're playing in your life.
Right, because sometimes wedon't realize we're playing
those characters, but we are,and what that does is it just
takes us out of that kind of 3Dmatrix realities that we step
out of it.
We become the observers of ourreality, more so than in it, and
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not being able to see anythingelse.
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, A lot of the beauty of the archetype of work
is a couple of things.
Number one when you understandthe archetypes, you put yourself
to create a little spacebetween you and the patterns
that you play out.
So it allows you to kind ofself-reflect with a little bit
more space and also realize thatyou know archetypes aren't
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personal.
Things like the archetypesaren't unique to you.
We all tap into thesecollective archetypes and we're
just expressing them in our ownindividual way.
So when you kind of exploreyour saboteur or your victim or
your prostitute, like, yourealize that, hey look, everyone
has an inner victim, Everyonehas an inner prostitute.
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So it's nothing unique to me,it's just my own way of
expressing it.
So it becomes almost like moreuser-friendly to explore the
parts of yourself that otherwisemight be hard to look at.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, less criticism, too, and judgment about it,
right, because everybody'sexperiencing it, we all have
that in us, and so, yeah, Ithink the it really takes a lot
of the pressure off of peopleyou know and realizing, oh, I'm
playing this out.
Okay, I don't need to beplaying this out, but I do like
how you put it in your courseand how like we tend to think of
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these some of the survivalarchetypes, as you know, as
shadows, you know, and like thesaboteur and the victim.
But there are light sides ofthose as well, and I love how
you put that in that course.
That was like, oh yeah, I neverthought about it like that
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actually, but you do get, youknow, the light side of you
getting some needs met, but thenyou move into the dark side
when you're using it too much,right, and you're lying on it
too much.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So, yeah, maybe we can talk more about that.
Yeah, also, before I get to that, it's also important to realize
that this is great work to doin relationships.
Yeah, because when you can seerelationships through the lens
of archetypes, it becomes lesspersonal, like when you're
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engaging relationships and youcan see the archetypal dynamics
of it.
You don't take things aspersonally.
You realize, oh, this is so andso is victim archetype or so
and so saboteur or whatever itmight be, or my victim and my
saboteur showing up.
So it allows you to look atrelationship dynamics with less
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defensiveness, without takingthings personally.
So it's really a beautifulapproach to explore yourself and
it gives you a nice language tounderstand yourself.
When it comes to the, you know,the archetypes are always 50%
light and 50% shadow.
You know there's no archetypethat has more light and shadow
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or more shadow than light.
You know they all play theirown role and they're all held in
balance, like, for example, thevictim archetype, you know, and
a lot of like the personaldevelopment world.
There's so much like almostlike vilifying the victim, like
playing the victim and likevictim hood and victim
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consciousness, like we're alwayslike kind of like downplaying
or kind of vilifying thatarchetype but not realizing that
there's a difference betweenbeing a victim and playing the
victim.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Right, playing the victim is how you're using the
victim to get your emotionalneeds met and you know, etc.
Etc.
But the truth is the victim hasa light side, which is to
protect you when you're beingvictimized.
So the victim inside of youacknowledges hey look, I'm a
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victim here and I need to eitherset a boundary or make some
sort of change and take action.
So the light side of the victimis empowering yourself to set
boundaries against anything thatfeels like it's a threat to you
.
Right, it would be silly to bein an abusive relationship and
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say, oh no, I don't play thevictim.
It's like you're literallybeing abused, like you should
either set a boundary here orget out of the relationship.
That's the light side of thatarchetype is to empower yourself
to set boundaries.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, and I didn't think about it like that, but
that's so true.
And it does push people to setboundaries when they're feeling
like the uncomfortable shadowside of the victim.
Right, yeah, and you're right,it's like it is.
There's a lot in theself-improvement realm about
like don't be a victim, and youknow, because I think we've been
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inundated with victimhood forthe last two or three years,
right, and people don't reallyknow how to move over to the
light side of it.
But this is brilliant, I loveit.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, and you know.
Another example of that mightbe the prostitute.
You know, the prostitute is thearchetype of self-compromise,
right, where we might compromiseourselves or step out of
alignment with our values orintegrity, all for whether it's
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like financial gain, security orsome sort of guarantee, right.
So the shadow side would be thecompromising of oneself.
But the light side of theprostitute is knowing the power
of negotiation.
Yeah, like knowing when and howto negotiate, but doing it from
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a place of empowerment, notfrom a place of self-compromise.
You know.
An example of that might be,you know, let's say you say you
asked me for a coaching sessionand I'm like sure, I'd love to
support you with a coachingsession.
When would you like to do it?
And you say, how, abouttomorrow at 2.30 am?
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I would say no, because myvalue relate to being asleep at
that time, right?
So then you come back and say,well, I'll give you $40,000 for
the session.
Well, I would say I'll see youat 2.15.
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Right, yeah, that's an exampleof the prostitute, which is.
I know my worth, I know what Ihave to offer and I value it.
And this is a situation inwhich I'm willing to negotiate,
I'm willing to compromise avalue because I feel like the
return that I get is worth it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, that's a great way to look at it, yeah because
usually the way I look at it yes, I'm not really.
I'm working on negotiationmyself.
I don't feel like I have a lotof experience with that in my
life.
I feel like I don't really Ihaven't dove into that greatly.
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But yeah, I love looking at itlike that, because there are
times well, I mean, I guess Ihave negotiated in my life and
I've done that, yeah.
But I think sometimes I feelbad about those times where I
negotiate and it's a fairnegotiation, it's a good balance
and I've agreed to it, but I'mlike, did I compromise myself?
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But I think you have to findthe, you know, because I'm like,
oh, I've compromised my values,but in the past, you know, and
then, but I don't know, I thinkI'm going to need to play around
with that a little bit and justthink about how that applies to
my life as well, because that'sa good one, that's a really
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good one, greg.
I didn't think about it likethat though.
Yeah, yeah it's.
In your experience do you know alot of people that are very
comfortable with negotiation,especially in the coaching
community.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Not in the coaching community.
I think, most coaches areterrible business negotiators.
We're too sensitive and tooempathic.
It's actually kind of pathetic.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
That's what I was thinking too.
Yes, it's a problem, right itis.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Totally.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I've fallen into that for sure in my life.
Oh, my goodness, that's so good.
I'm going to pause for just onesecond.
Hold on a second, greg.
I'm sweating, I'm having hotflashes, I'm going to menopause,
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but that's okay.
I'm doing great, I'm gettingbetter.
I've had to really hone in onmy self-care, really get even
better at it and more focused.
That's been really helpful.
But still, menopause is not themost comfortable thing.
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Sometimes we're talking aboutthe four survival archetypes.
Have we started talking aboutthat yet?
I don't know.
I kind of lost track of wherewe were, but have we started?
Oh yeah, we started.
We talked about the prostitute,the victim.
I think we got to theprostitute and I don't think we
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went further.
Yeah, we can explore more ofthose archetypes, though I like
the inner child stuff that youshare too, especially as it
relates to the survivalarchetypes, then I never thought
about it like four survivalarchetypes before, but it makes
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so much sense to put it that waybecause we do have those.
That's what creates oursurvival mode in life.
And so interesting.
Yeah, that wasn't a question.
Sorry, greg, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
The four survival archetypes are like four legs of
the table that hold you up.
They're what support you intimes of stress, in times of
essentially any time your senseof safety, security or survival
feels threatened.
You're going to move into oneor any combination of those
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archetypes.
One thing that's reallyimportant for people to
understand with those is anytimeyou move into a sympathetic,
fight or flight state in yournervous system, you're
technically now in survival mode.
If you're in survival mode,you're then going to start
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acting out the survivalarchetypes because your nervous
system and psyche are just wiredthat way.
The child archetype is kind oflike the nucleus.
It's kind of like the firstarchetype that in this lifetime
you start to step into and body,because you're totally
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dependent and helpless.
When you're born, through yourearly years, you're dependent on
a mother and father, parentalauthority figure for your own
survival.
You're not able to fully takecare of yourself yet you will
literally do anything that youpossibly can to maintain a sense
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of safety, connection and loveto those caretakers.
Sometimes that means sabotagingyourself, sometimes that means
prostituting yourself.
Sometimes that meansvictimizing yourself.
You realize that a lot of thehealing journey, especially with
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these archetypes, is aboutrewriting the contracts that you
wrote with those archetypes.
Initially, the contract is thisis what I have to do to feel
safe and secure, to get my needsmet.
Eventually, you rewrite thecontract into this is how I want
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to live, to experience freedomand empowerment.
For example, you may have hadto be a people pleaser as a
child to get your needs met,because if I pleased everybody,
everyone was happy with me, theywere less stressed and I felt
like they were more fit andwilling to take care of me.
That serves you for a period oftime, bringing you safety and
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security.
Then, now, as you get into yourteens, 20s, adulthood, and
you're still acting out thepeople pleaser.
Well, now you're exhaustingyourself, you're experiencing
fatigue, overwhelm, your nervoussystem stressed and you're
giving your energy away all thetime saying yes to everybody.
Now you realize, oh shit, myhealth crisis is literally just
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asking me to rewrite this oldcontract.
That said, I have to pleaseeverybody for my own survival,
which now I'm very capable oftaking care of myself.
Now I need to create somethingnew which is more aligned with
what feels free, what feelsempowering.
A lot of these survivalarchetypes are essentially what
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you have to do to survive, butnot necessarily thrive.
Yeah, yep, each archetype isthere to protect the child.
The saboteur is there toprotect the child.
The prostitute is there toprotect the child.
These go back very, very farinto our childhood and usually
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develop within the first sevento 10 years of our life.
I remember very clear memoriesof being quite young where my
mom would take me to my dad'sdoctor's office.
He was a doctor anytime I wasin pain and when my mom would
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take me there, I would get thebest treatment from my dad and
the nurses and the partners.
The victim in me says oh, whenI'm in pain, I get more love
from dad.
Now there's a contract therethat says if I need more love,
empathy or compassion, then painor illness is how I get that
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emotional need map.
There's a contract there withthe victim archetype.
Another one might be when Ispeak my truth, I get yelled at.
The saboteur says don't speakyour truth, it's not safe to do
so.
You start sabotaging your voice.
You see the victim, thesaboteur, the prostitute they're
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all there to protect the innerchild that's just trying to
survive and get its needs met.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yes, that makes so much sense.
So much sense, yeah, because Iwas just going to ask you at the
saboteur how does that pan out?
How is that protective?
But that makes sense.
Yeah, because that's also a bigthing Speaking your truth.
A lot of people are afraid todo that.
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Even now it's a big thing.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
The saboteur is a very interesting one.
It's the one that most peoplecan relate to, because they can
all look at their lives and belike, oh yeah, I sabotaged
myself in these areas.
Sometimes it's harder forpeople to look at the victim or
the prostitute just because ofthe connotation of them.
Everyone demonizes the victimand no one wants to look at the
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prostitute just because of theterm prostitute.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Right, yeah, they tend to think of sex instead of
self-compact.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
But it's just where we sell ourselves.
But the saboteur, on a deeperlevel, really represents our
relationship with truth and ourrelationship with power.
The saboteur tries to protectyou from truth and tries to
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protect you from your own power,because it knows that if you
acknowledge a certain truth oryou step into your power, then
everything in your life is goingto change.
If we take the people-pleasingexample the saboteur and you
knows that most of the peoplethat you're in a relationship
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with are getting their needs metby you being a people-pleaser.
Yeah that's what when you change, people are like wait a minute,
yeah, but as soon as you stepinto your power, all of a sudden
they're not getting their needsmet anymore and all your
relationships blow up in yourface.
So you see how the saboteur isactually protecting you from the
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inconvenience of truth andpower.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Ah, yes.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It could be the truth that you don't enjoy your job,
but you sabotage yourself anywaybecause you're getting a steady
paycheck, yeah.
Or you're not happy in yourrelationship, but you're afraid
of being alone, or you're afraidof X, y and Z.
So you protect yourself fromthat truth and you sabotage
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yourself in the process.
So the saboteur is alwaysprotecting you from truth and
power, because it feels asthough if you step into your
power or you embrace some sortof truth, it's going to be very
inconvenient.
Right, things are going tochange.
That's a big one right now.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah especially because it's all about
convenience.
Right, we're all aboutconvenience in our lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And there's no room and no time for blowing things
up, right, I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
or even slowing down at this point.
It's protecting you, yeah, it'sprotecting you from what's
unfamiliar, the unknown.
The savature is alwaysprotecting you from the unknown?
Yeah Right, so that makes sense.
If you find yourself sabotagingyourself, what you can ask
yourself is the best questionyou can always ask yourself is
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what part of me is benefitingfrom doing so?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Right.
And with the saboteur, there'sa term called secondary gain,
right.
Secondary gain is the part ofyou that benefits from either
pain or patterns ofself-sabotage, right?
That's the essence of thesaboteur is there's a part of
you that's benefiting from doingso, right?
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So if you take a look at yourpatterns of self-sabotage, a lot
of people almost like guilt,blame and shame themselves for
doing it.
Like gosh, why am I alwayssabotaging myself?
Well, instead of trying toanswer that question, first,
answer the question how am Ibenefiting from doing so?
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Yeah, and then you arrive at ananswer which allows you to
potentially make a differentchoice or get that need met in a
different way.
And there's a lot of very simpleexamples that can show up in
people's lives.
For example, I might get aclient with chronic back pain
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who comes to me for help sayingthey want to get out of pain,
but you realize that they'regetting medical leave and pay
time off from the job that theydon't enjoy.
Oh, yeah.
So the secondary gain is usingpain to get out of something
that they don't enjoy doing, andright now they're getting paid
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to do so.
So the saboteur being whatprotects you from truth, what's
the truth there that I don'tenjoy my career.
Yes, that.
I'm doing something that I don'tlike to do.
Right, so you can see howsecondary gain and the
protection from truth is reallywhere the saboteur shows up.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's just really that firstlevel of self-awareness about,
yeah, really being honest in ourlife about what we really want
to be doing.
And, like you said, if thepayoff is high for that behavior
or playing that role, thenyou're not going to see the
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value in changing it right Untilyou see that there's a bigger
payoff on the other side.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It's almost like you have to tip the scales where
you're never going to change.
If there's still more benefitin not changing, yeah, then
actually making the change.
And once your awareness startsto perceive more benefit from
the change than from the illnessor pain, then that's when
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change starts to happen.
So it's almost like the scalesjust need to tip.
And a lot of the self-sabotageis when we're still kind of
leaning towards the side of I'mbenefiting more from the pain
than I am from making the change, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's a big.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Which can be a hard thing to look at for people.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Oh very much, yeah, very much, because we don't want
to.
I mean, ultimately, people Ingeneral, I feel like it's hard
for them to take responsibility.
It's like we're getting backinto that victim thing, right,
like because we're not takingresponsibility for what we're
actually creating on many levelsand I think it's number one.
(33:09):
Taking responsibility andsaying, hey, just open the door
to curiosity with that Like,what could this be about?
And reflecting on that is whereI would say, most people start
and that feels like it might bea little bit better than just
jumping in and trying to analyzeyourself, just asking a
question and saying, hey, whatis this all about?
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And then most people I feellike, do know, if you're not
happy with your job, you knowthis, you know this is the
underlying current, but most ofus don't want to really look at
that because it's like thatprostitute archetype we're
negotiating our values, so whatwe're getting paid is going to
be higher in value than what weyou know, than honoring our
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values, you know our time orhappiness or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, the prostitute is also what competes with your
intuition.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That makes sense.
So let's say, your intuitionsays it's time for you to leave
your job as an accountant and gobe an artist.
Well, the prostitute then comesin and says that's a terrible
idea, because you're getting asteady paycheck as an accountant
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and you realize that theprostitute's job is to always
try and ensure a guaranteedoutcome.
Right, like a guaranteedpaycheck.
Or when I was a child and mymom would give me money to go to
the movies with friends, Iwould find myself buying my
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friends movie tickets.
Now at the time I was like, oh,I'm being a nice guy.
Well, what was I doing?
I was buying their loyalty.
Yes, I was buying a guaranteelike an insurance policy.
And the sabbat, not thesabbatore, the prostitute, is
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really related to yourself-worth.
All right if you don't haveself-worth or trust yourself,
like in that situation.
I didn't trust or have theself-worth that they would want
to be friends with me, just forme.
So I figured I would buy aguarantee, all right.
So you see how the prostituteall relates to self-worth and it
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relates to trying to ensuresome guaranteed outcome because
it doesn't trust.
And that's where it competesagainst intuition, because
intuition a lot of times is.
A lot of times, intuition isguiding you into something that
goes against your fears ofsecurity, of losing security,
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like not being an accountantanymore and going and being an
artist.
That goes against your fears oflosing security and not having
guaranteed income as an example.
So a lot of times, whatintuition is guiding us into is
in competition with what theprostitute is trying to ensure
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for us.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
So there's conflict there on those times With your
coaching, how do you help peoplewhen they're in that I mean,
I'm not laughing, I'm justsaying yes, and I'm kind of just
laughing because I'veexperienced everything you're
talking about.
I've lived it, and especiallywith a prostitute.
(36:50):
The self-compromise I've didthat for years and it's so
interesting.
The lights I think I rememberPaul talked about that too the
light side being intuition, andthat is something I've just now
come to be able to really makepeace with.
But I struggle with that forsuch a long time.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Me too.
It's hard, especially whenyou've been taught to not trust
yourself.
Yes, a lot of people have beentaught from a young age to not
trust their intuition, and I'mone of those people who has had
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a really hard time trusting hisintuition and constant patterns
of second guessing or alwaysreverting back to what feels
safe, secure and familiar.
So that's really the I callthis course Healing your Core
Archetypes A Journey ofEmpowerment is because these are
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all the ways in which wenegotiate or give our power away
.
These archetypes reallyrepresent your relationship with
your own power and what yougive your power away to whether
it's other people, beliefsystems, finances, certain life
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circumstances, things we feelvictimized by, ways we sabotage
ourselves, ways we prostituteourselves.
This is all your relationshipwith your own power, your own
empowerment, and healing thearchetypes is really the journey
of reclaiming your power, andwhere you give your power away
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is also where your energy goes.
Yes, so, if you're, for example,if you're struggling with your
own health, your health ishiding in the power that you
gave away.
That's really where your healthis to be reclaimed.
It's the power that needs to bereclaimed.
It could be as simple as sayingno to things that you used to
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say yes to, but you were sayingyes out of obligation.
I was just working with aclient before we got on today.
She was telling me about herfamily situation and certain
relationships and how so manychoices are made out of
obligation and what isobligation?
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Obligation is a choice made outof fear and avoidance.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Right, fear of triggering someone else's
disappointment, unmetexpectations, et cetera, et
cetera.
So you could see how patternsof self-sabotage are showing up
there and someone like that hasleft feeling exhausted, feeling
angry and resentful, and nowtheir health is starting to be
compromised.
(39:55):
So one of the first ways inwhich we reclaim our health is
by reclaiming our power, andthese archetypes are really the
ways in which we can do that.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Absolutely.
Yeah, that's wonderful.
I think of them as energy orChi leaks.
Our energy is going in thisdirection we're not crazy about,
but we still let it go and itjust stays unresolved.
It siphons our energy after awhile and then we're like ah, I
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remember when I first startedgetting into the fitness
coaching industry, I worked withso many women who had
fibromyalgia.
It was a big thing.
I noticed that it was justbecause they couldn't do it.
That's what they were doing.
They were leaking their energyinto all these situations and
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thinking about things way toomuch and worrying about things
and it was having an effect ontheir body.
It was creating pain.
So these things can surfacephysically.
Everything energetic surfacesphysically eventually if it
stays there long enough.
So this is why it's really goodfor your health to just look at
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these archetypes and see, okay,where can I balance these out?
Because I like the 50-50 thing,because it can always be
balanced and there's no right orwrong.
It's just how you're playing itout in your life and we all
feel those times where they'reout of balance in our life and
we can feel that in our bodies,we can feel that in our low
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energy state, and so it's goodto have a check-in, to be able
to rebalance those roles thatyou're playing in your life.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah, a lot of it is just self-reflection, exploring
your day and saying was thereany time during the day in which
I felt victimized, felt likelife was just happening to me
rather than for me?
Did I fall into any patterns ofblame or self-pity?
(42:10):
Or were there any patterns ofself-soothing rather than
self-care?
That's another big thing.
Is anytime we fall intopatterns of self-soothing we
know we've moved into the victimarchetype?
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Would, that be like addictions or something, or
would that fall under thatcategory?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, Addictions yeah , overeating, checking out
whatever it is.
But patterns of self-soothingare an expression of the victim
and usually the victim andself-soothing is related to
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pointing outside of you as tosomeone or something as the
cause of your experience.
Right, it could be.
You know I'm doing for everyoneelse at the expense of myself.
I never have enough time orenergy for myself.
Then we go home and we don'tengage in self care.
After that we engage in selfsoothing.
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So that's another example ofwhere you can explore the victim
archetype or patterns of selfsoothing.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
That's a big differentiation there.
Yeah, to make good discernmentthere.
I like that.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah, because the truth is, you know, the victim
is.
You know I remember a quoteonce that said victimhood is
anything less than 100% selfresponsibility.
Yeah, so anytime we're nottaking 100% ownership for our
lives, that's technicallyvictimhood, you know.
(43:56):
So that's a big one weobviously can take a look at.
You know patterns of selfsabotage throughout the day but
we're not taking care ofourselves, areas in life that
we're not speaking our truth orbeing honest or authentic.
You know, maybe, ways in whichwe're procrastinating or not
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like taking action on things,patterns of stagnation.
So, you know, with the saboteur,you know, the big question,
like I shared earlier, is whatpart of me is benefiting by
sabotaging.
That opens the door for, like,a deeper exploration which then
can clear the path for you tomake a new choice.
Now, in the course, I take youthrough specific meditations and
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energetic clearings andintegration work to really
explore these archetypes prettydeeply and understand the
origins of them.
But a lot of it is kind of likethe self reflection practice
and inner exploration each day,and in the course I kind of take
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you through exactly how to dothat but also take you through
specific practices to build arelationship with each archetype
.
I think that's the biggestthing is learning how to
cultivate a relationship withthe archetypes.
You can create enough spaceinside of yourself to begin to
understand the pattern.
(45:23):
And once you can kind ofcultivate that relationship with
it.
Now you have the space to makea different choice.
You know, because you're also,you're not identified as it
anymore when you're inrelationship with it.
Yeah, like I'm in relationshipwith Allison because I don't
identify as her.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Right, yeah, that's a great way to put it.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
If I'm in relationship with my inner
victim, I don't identify as thevictim anymore, because now
there's a me, separate from thevictim, that can now have the
space to make a new choice.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, and that expression of the victim becomes
a part of you and you integratethat right into your whole
being.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, yeah, the the victim too, I think, is there
was something I was going tobring up about.
The victim is.
It's a big thing right now,especially with the younger
generations, and I, I feel likealso, just I wanted to ask you a
question about the victim is it?
Would it also with a light sideof that?
(46:31):
You're saying settingboundaries but also just saying
I don't want to participate withthat.
You know, that would be a wayof setting boundaries as well.
I'm thinking to boundary.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, anytime you say no, you're setting a boundary.
Yeah, the word no is a boundarylike imagine, you know, the
first time you said a boundarywas when you said no, like you
were, you know, you were in yourhigh chair and your mom was
coming in with the food and youpushed it away.
Right, that's your body sayingno by setting a boundary, right?
(47:10):
So the word no is basically thegreatest boundary or simplest
boundary that you can set.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah, it's pretty powerful.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Well, that is wonderful.
Thanks so much, greg.
This has been in a veryenlightening conversation, so
thanks for coming on, and Iwould love for you to share
where they can find your course.
Thanks, or anything andanything else you can.
You want to share about thattoo.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, so you know.
The course outlines sevenarchetypes.
We touched upon the foursurvivals.
Today, in addition to the foursurvivals, we go into the mother
, the father and the Amago day.
Right.
So the mother and father areyour relationship with the
masculine and feminine, whichstarts with your relationship
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with mom and dad, right.
So mom represents yourrelationship with your feminine,
also the feminine of others,and the masculine dad represents
your relationship with yourinner masculine, the masculine
of others and other men.
So these are also like deepformative forces that develop
early on in our lifetime.
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And the mother archetypeessentially sets the stage for
how you mother yourself, for howyou receive yourself, how you
relate to your inner life.
And the father archetype, whichis more externalized, sets the
stage for how you're going to bereceived by the world, how you
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think you're going to bereceived by the world.
Like if your dad was like asuper macho guy, not emotional
or very intellectual, like youthink you're going to be
received by the world in thatway.
So you might compartmentalizeyour emotional stuff, because
you don't think the world'sgoing to be able to receive that
because your dad wasn't able toRight.
(49:08):
So a lot of it is kind ofrewriting the script as to the
way the world is going toreceive me might not be a
reflection of how my fatherreceived me and how I relate to
my inner life.
How is that a mirror of how mymother received me and what
shifts do I need to make there?
It's a lot of inner parenting.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Right, and kind of like exploring how mom and dad
still live inside of you and inthe course I take you through a
lot of different practices,meditations, clearings, just to
kind of work with mom, dad andeven their lineage, right.
So a lot of those patterns areinherited patterns from previous
generations, right.
And then the last, the lastarchetype that we go into is the
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Amago day, which is your imageof God.
Yeah, whatever you'reperception of God is yeah, yeah.
So that's a big one, that's areally powerful archetype.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Because that excuse me, that archetype informs all
other archetypes.
Right the Amago day will informthe child, the victim, the
saboteur, the prostitute and,for example, if you always see
God as the father, that mightkeep you in the child.
Oh yeah, if you feel like Godis going to reward you for all
(50:28):
the good things and punish youfor all the bad things, that
actually sets you up for thevictim.
If you have ideas as to whatGod wants or needs or what
you're supposed to do, thatmight set you up for
self-sabotage.
Or the prostitute is a reallyinteresting one, where how much
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of people's prayer is an act ofnegotiation, oh my.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
God, I never thought about it like this Most people's
prostitute archetype is the onethat's praying.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah, it is, that's true.
It is a negotiation sometimesyeah.
I want this outcome, I wantthis guaranteed outcome and I
promise, if you give me thisguaranteed outcome, I won't do
this anymore.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Right, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
That's literally the prostitute that's showing up
like in your prayer.
Love, which I've seen this inmyself like tremendously.
And then also the mother andfather, where we project mom and
dad qualities onto the AmagoDay, onto God, right?
So you see, all thesearchetypes are so interwoven,
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but the Amago Day informs all ofthe other ones Also.
You know, the Amago Day canrelate to your relationship with
death and if you think aboutthe four survival archetypes, it
relates to survival.
So if your beliefs around deathare reincarnation, that's going
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to inform your survivalarchetypes much differently than
if you think it's just lightsout, right?
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Right yeah.
So when you sabotage yourself,prostitute yourself or if you
feel victimized, For example, alot of people who only identify
with this physical realm mightfeel victimized by something
where someone else who has moreof a connection to spirit or
soul might not feel asvictimized by it.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yes, ok, yeah.
Or like I was saying if you,have that connection to spirit,
but if you don't and you're morein the physical, you're saying
you're going to be more feelinglike a victim as it relates to
the afterlife right or death.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Or if you think about , like, how many times we set up
this like spiritual equation,that, like I was saying earlier,
do something good, get a reward, do something bad, get a
punishment.
Well, what happens when you dosomething good and you don't get
the reward you were looking for?
Or what happens if you get anundesirable outcome but you
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can't find something wrong thatyou did to deserve it?
That all sets the stage for thevictim archetype.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Oh, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah, so you could see how your beliefs around God,
religion, spirituality, all ofit are constantly informing all
of your other archetypes.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Oh, that makes sense.
It's a source.
It is the source of everything,right, yeah, yeah.
What would be the light side ofthat?
Like that expression.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
The Imago Day.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Well, just having a healthy relationship with God,
yeah, Having a healthyrelationship with source and
healing a lot of your oldprograms around it.
I've had to heal a lot of myprograms around projecting
parental qualities onto God.
(54:19):
You know aspects of my motheror father.
Like you know, my mom was veryloving, but to her unconditional
love was just like saying yesto everything, Right?
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
So I had this idea that, oh, unconditional love is
saying yes to everything.
Well, all of a sudden I becomea people pleaser in the name of
spirituality.
Yeah.
Or you know my dad it was, yeah,yeah, or my dad, you know, it
was always very like performanceand achievement driven yeah,
(54:58):
where I probably have justturned spirituality into a
performance, into a competition.
Yeah, and I'm not worthy of myfather's love, I'm not worthy of
God's love until I've doneenough, until I've, you know,
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produced enough or shared enough, or worked enough or loved
enough, or it's always likenever enough.
Yeah, I know that feeling thatcomes from.
Yeah, so you could see they'reall intertwined, they're all
informing one another.
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But the light side of the AmagoDay is just really having a
healthy relationship with source.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
When that serves you.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, I think that's beautiful.
Well, thank you, greg, that wasincredible.
I would highly recommend youguys go do this course because
it is going to really help youget balanced in all those areas
of your life.
So definitely, and it's a veryaffordable course.
And I mean you just are soclear and you just take
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everybody with so much supportstep by step through the process
.
So thank you, greg, foroffering this and do it.
They go to their, do they go toyour website to find the course
?
How do they?
I will leave a link to underthe show notes for it, a direct
one, but is there any anywhereelse?
You want to direct people asfar as websites, social media,
(56:33):
that kind of thing?
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Yeah, so my website is healing4dcom and that's where
that's kind of like my homebase, where everything's really
located.
They want one on one coachingmy programs and we'll have your
link to the course in the shownotes so people can use that
link and then for a discountthey can use the code podcast 20
(57:00):
, which will allow them to save20% off.
So to get to the coursedirectly, just use Allison's
link in the show notes.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
All right, I will provide that.
Thank you, greg, appreciate itso much.
Thanks for coming on today.
Thank you for having me.
It was an honor.
Thank you, thank you.
Your life is your greatest work of art, and it all
relates back to the synchronouspeace.
Welcome to Integrate Yourself.
I'm your host, alison Pillow,and you can find me at
alisonpillowcom.
Today I'm here with a veryspecial guest, greg Schmouse,
who is on my show for the thirdtime, and I'm very honored to
(00:40):
have him on again for the thirdtime on my show Yay.
And so he is coming out with anew program, a new course, and
we're going to talk about thattoday.
He's the CEO of Healing 4D, aholistic health practitioner.
He's a shamanic energy healer,a massage therapist, and he is
the creator of Healing the Mind,a 21-day holistic mental health
(01:04):
program, and he has a newprogram that, again, we're going
to talk about.
That involves the archetypesand learning about that and
using those archetypes to healyourself.
With a fully integratedapproach to physical and mental
health, greg supports studentsacross the world in gaining
understanding and meaning totheir healing journey.
(01:25):
Through his online programs andpersonal client coaching, greg
guides students and clientstowards higher awareness,
empowerment and freedom in theirlives through authentic
lifestyle practices.
Over the past decade, greg hascoached countless clients with
various physical and mentalhealth challenges, integrating
(01:47):
the lessons of many of his greatteachers and mentors, including
Paul Czech and Alberto ViloVilido, I think, is how you say
it I think I had trouble withthat name last time too and his
professional journey began withthe Czech Institute in 2013,
studying holistic health andcorrective exercise.
(02:08):
In 2017, greg was inspired toearn credentials as a licensed
clinical massage therapist andbody worker through the
Institute for TherapeuticMassage.
Following his studies with ITM,he enrolled and completed the
four wins Light Body School,studying shamanic energy
medicine in 2020.
Greg believes that we are allon a unique healing journey that
(02:31):
paves the way back home towholeness.
Greg's personal journey,healing from various physical
and mental health challenges, isthe foundation of each one of
his coaching programs.
With this foundation, greg isable to coach and teach his
students and clients from aplace of authentic, embodied
experience.
Greg, thank you so much forbeing on the show again.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
You're so welcome.
It's an honor to have you here,and today we are going to talk
about your new program and,please, I know it's an archetype
program, but I can't rememberIs it seven archetypes?
I've been studying, I startedthe course and it's really
amazing.
So, yeah, we're going to getinto that, but first I wanted to
(03:18):
have you reintroduce everybody,just in case they didn't listen
to the last couple of shows youwere on on Integrate Yourself,
and then also give everybody anupdate on what you're doing now
and what you've done since.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
And yeah, just, and then we'll weave in some stuff
in there as well.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I know you're going to read the full bio.
I, like you know, I have thisthing about knowing, especially
in this day and age.
You know where there are a lotof imposters.
I want to know how people gotto where they are, where they
are in life and why they'reteaching things.
I want to know their backgroundand I'm also just curious about
their stories.
(03:59):
So that's why I like to give afull bio for people, so that
people can get an idea of whothey're talking to and where
they've been.
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, I won't share my backgrounds in a way that
just repeats what you justshared, so I'll share it in
another way.
You know my journey intoholistic health and healing has
always been inspired by my ownhealing, you know.
For me that started I would sayit started back in college, but
(04:30):
obviously that's not truebecause we're on a healing
journey that's pretty muchinfinite and eternal, like we're
um.
But a lot of my challenges inthis lifetime started more
towards the end of high schooland into college when I started
having a lot of anxiety and OCDand gut issues.
(04:52):
So, like my health was startingto break down from an early age
.
I was kind of going into like myown crisis and that was kind of
like my initiation into thisworld of healing and I always
felt driven and guided by my ownjourney and everything that I
decided to explore whether itwas nutrition and lifestyle,
(05:16):
coaching, massage therapy,energy, medicine, archetypes all
of it was really inspired by mewanting to get a job and I was
really inspired by my ownjourney.
I was inspired by me wanting toreally heal internally for me,
wanting to come to a greaterunderstanding of myself and the
healing journey and then usethat as a foundation or platform
(05:41):
to help others.
So I've always looked at mychallenges as an opportunity to
discover more about myself, butthen to use that as an
opportunity to serve the world.
And that's really what's kindof been my guiding light getting
me up until this point wherenow it's kind of ventured off
(06:03):
into writing, podcasting, coursecreation, coaching, clients, so
kind of dabbling in a littlebit of all of that.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, that's amazing.
So you're writing a book nowtoo, and that's incredible.
You and I've talked about that,and that's just a big next step
to write a book for sure.
I wanted to ask about thearchetypes because I know when I
took your course, you gave abackground on how you came to
(06:33):
build this course and whoinfluenced you on your journey
there.
And two of the people well, oneof the people, of course, is
Paul Check, but two other peoplethat I was really curious about
is Caroline Miss and Matt Kahn,who I haven't seen Matt Kahn in
a long time, but I was justcurious in how you got connected
(06:55):
with both of them and what ledyou to really study their work
and what you learned from them,and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, so Paul Check was my first mentor, who was the
first person to introduce me toarchetypes.
So I was a client of his goingback almost 10 years ago and so
I started to explore archetypesand I work with him and
(07:25):
obviously the Check Instituteteaches some of the archetypes
as well.
But it wasn't until about fourto five years ago that I really
became more interested inCaroline Miss's version of the
archetypes.
My partner introduced me toCaroline Miss and some of her
(07:46):
deeper explorations of thesurvival archetypes which we'll
get into.
So I ended up taking a deepdive and actually doing some of
her certification training onbeing an archetypal consultant
and being able to work withwhat's called the archetype
wheel, which combines astrologyand archetypes altogether into
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one which is pretty unique.
So I spent many years studyingCaroline's work to really
understand the essence of thefour survival archetypes.
And then Matt Kahn has been oneof my favorite spiritual
teachers.
Really, I would say in the lastfive plus years I followed his
work very closely and done somehealing sessions with him, went
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to some workshops with him, soI've just really enjoyed the way
that he works energetically andso I've applied in this course
some of his energetic healingprinciples and some of the
techniques that I use workingwith the archetypes, and I've
also included some of RichardSchwartz's work from IFS, which
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is Internal Family Systems,which is working with the
different parts of the psychewhich are really archetypes.
So a lot of that work is kindof repurposed archetype work.
So I just kind of drew on a lotof these different teachers and
modalities and kind of put ittogether as one working system
and that's what this coursebecame.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, and you did such a great job with it and
articulating it as well, as it'svery clear and easy to follow
but profoundly life-changing insome ways when people realize
that they're playing out thesepersonalities, and it can be
really empowering to step out ofthat and know who you are,
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aside from those characters thatyou're playing in your life.
Right, because sometimes wedon't realize we're playing
those characters, but we are,and what that does is it just
takes us out of that kind of 3Dmatrix realities that we step
out of it.
We become the observers of ourreality, more so than in it, and
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not being able to see anythingelse.
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, A lot of the beauty of the archetype of work
is a couple of things.
Number one when you understandthe archetypes, you put yourself
to create a little spacebetween you and the patterns
that you play out.
So it allows you to kind ofself-reflect with a little bit
more space and also realize thatyou know archetypes aren't
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personal.
Things like the archetypesaren't unique to you.
We all tap into thesecollective archetypes and we're
just expressing them in our ownindividual way.
So when you kind of exploreyour saboteur or your victim or
your prostitute, like, yourealize that, hey look, everyone
has an inner victim, Everyonehas an inner prostitute.
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So it's nothing unique to me,it's just my own way of
expressing it.
So it becomes almost like moreuser-friendly to explore the
parts of yourself that otherwisemight be hard to look at.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, less criticism, too, and judgment about it,
right, because everybody'sexperiencing it, we all have
that in us, and so, yeah, Ithink the it really takes a lot
of the pressure off of peopleyou know and realizing, oh, I'm
playing this out.
Okay, I don't need to beplaying this out, but I do like
how you put it in your courseand how like we tend to think of
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these some of the survivalarchetypes, as you know, as
shadows, you know, and like thesaboteur and the victim.
But there are light sides ofthose as well, and I love how
you put that in that course.
That was like, oh yeah, I neverthought about it like that
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actually, but you do get, youknow, the light side of you
getting some needs met, but thenyou move into the dark side
when you're using it too much,right, and you're lying on it
too much.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So, yeah, maybe we can talk more about that.
Yeah, also, before I get to that, it's also important to realize
that this is great work to doin relationships.
Yeah, because when you can seerelationships through the lens
of archetypes, it becomes lesspersonal, like when you're
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engaging relationships and youcan see the archetypal dynamics
of it.
You don't take things aspersonally.
You realize, oh, this is so andso is victim archetype or so
and so saboteur or whatever itmight be, or my victim and my
saboteur showing up.
So it allows you to look atrelationship dynamics with less
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defensiveness, without takingthings personally.
So it's really a beautifulapproach to explore yourself and
it gives you a nice language tounderstand yourself.
When it comes to the, you know,the archetypes are always 50%
light and 50% shadow.
You know there's no archetypethat has more light and shadow
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or more shadow than light.
You know they all play theirown role and they're all held in
balance, like, for example, thevictim archetype, you know, and
a lot of like the personaldevelopment world.
There's so much like almostlike vilifying the victim, like
playing the victim and likevictim hood and victim
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consciousness, like we're alwayslike kind of like downplaying
or kind of vilifying thatarchetype but not realizing that
there's a difference betweenbeing a victim and playing the
victim.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Right, playing the victim is how you're using the
victim to get your emotionalneeds met and you know, etc.
Etc.
But the truth is the victim hasa light side, which is to
protect you when you're beingvictimized.
So the victim inside of youacknowledges hey look, I'm a
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victim here and I need to eitherset a boundary or make some
sort of change and take action.
So the light side of the victimis empowering yourself to set
boundaries against anything thatfeels like it's a threat to you
.
Right, it would be silly to bein an abusive relationship and
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say, oh no, I don't play thevictim.
It's like you're literallybeing abused, like you should
either set a boundary here orget out of the relationship.
That's the light side of thatarchetype is to empower yourself
to set boundaries.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, and I didn't think about it like that, but
that's so true.
And it does push people to setboundaries when they're feeling
like the uncomfortable shadowside of the victim.
Right, yeah, and you're right,it's like it is.
There's a lot in theself-improvement realm about
like don't be a victim, and youknow, because I think we've been
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inundated with victimhood forthe last two or three years,
right, and people don't reallyknow how to move over to the
light side of it.
But this is brilliant, I loveit.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, and you know.
Another example of that mightbe the prostitute.
You know, the prostitute is thearchetype of self-compromise,
right, where we might compromiseourselves or step out of
alignment with our values orintegrity, all for whether it's
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like financial gain, security orsome sort of guarantee, right.
So the shadow side would be thecompromising of oneself.
But the light side of theprostitute is knowing the power
of negotiation.
Yeah, like knowing when and howto negotiate, but doing it from
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a place of empowerment, notfrom a place of self-compromise.
You know.
An example of that might be,you know, let's say you say you
asked me for a coaching sessionand I'm like sure, I'd love to
support you with a coachingsession.
When would you like to do it?
And you say, how, abouttomorrow at 2.30 am?
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I would say no, because myvalue relate to being asleep at
that time, right?
So then you come back and say,well, I'll give you $40,000 for
the session.
Well, I would say I'll see youat 2.15.
(16:55):
Right, yeah, that's an exampleof the prostitute, which is.
I know my worth, I know what Ihave to offer and I value it.
And this is a situation inwhich I'm willing to negotiate,
I'm willing to compromise avalue because I feel like the
return that I get is worth it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, that's a great way to look at it, yeah because
usually the way I look at it yes, I'm not really.
I'm working on negotiationmyself.
I don't feel like I have a lotof experience with that in my
life.
I feel like I don't really Ihaven't dove into that greatly.
(17:39):
But yeah, I love looking at itlike that, because there are
times well, I mean, I guess Ihave negotiated in my life and
I've done that, yeah.
But I think sometimes I feelbad about those times where I
negotiate and it's a fairnegotiation, it's a good balance
and I've agreed to it, but I'mlike, did I compromise myself?
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But I think you have to findthe, you know, because I'm like,
oh, I've compromised my values,but in the past, you know, and
then, but I don't know, I thinkI'm going to need to play around
with that a little bit and justthink about how that applies to
my life as well, because that'sa good one, that's a really
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good one, greg.
I didn't think about it likethat though.
Yeah, yeah it's.
In your experience do you know alot of people that are very
comfortable with negotiation,especially in the coaching
community.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Not in the coaching community.
I think, most coaches areterrible business negotiators.
We're too sensitive and tooempathic.
It's actually kind of pathetic.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
That's what I was thinking too.
Yes, it's a problem, right itis.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Totally.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I've fallen into that for sure in my life.
Oh, my goodness, that's so good.
I'm going to pause for just onesecond.
Hold on a second, greg.
I'm sweating, I'm having hotflashes, I'm going to menopause,
(19:28):
but that's okay.
I'm doing great, I'm gettingbetter.
I've had to really hone in onmy self-care, really get even
better at it and more focused.
That's been really helpful.
But still, menopause is not themost comfortable thing.
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Sometimes we're talking aboutthe four survival archetypes.
Have we started talking aboutthat yet?
I don't know.
I kind of lost track of wherewe were, but have we started?
Oh yeah, we started.
We talked about the prostitute,the victim.
I think we got to theprostitute and I don't think we
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went further.
Yeah, we can explore more ofthose archetypes, though I like
the inner child stuff that youshare too, especially as it
relates to the survivalarchetypes, then I never thought
about it like four survivalarchetypes before, but it makes
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so much sense to put it that waybecause we do have those.
That's what creates oursurvival mode in life.
And so interesting.
Yeah, that wasn't a question.
Sorry, greg, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
The four survival archetypes are like four legs of
the table that hold you up.
They're what support you intimes of stress, in times of
essentially any time your senseof safety, security or survival
feels threatened.
You're going to move into oneor any combination of those
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archetypes.
One thing that's reallyimportant for people to
understand with those is anytimeyou move into a sympathetic,
fight or flight state in yournervous system, you're
technically now in survival mode.
If you're in survival mode,you're then going to start
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acting out the survivalarchetypes because your nervous
system and psyche are just wiredthat way.
The child archetype is kind oflike the nucleus.
It's kind of like the firstarchetype that in this lifetime
you start to step into and body,because you're totally
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dependent and helpless.
When you're born, through yourearly years, you're dependent on
a mother and father, parentalauthority figure for your own
survival.
You're not able to fully takecare of yourself yet you will
literally do anything that youpossibly can to maintain a sense
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of safety, connection and loveto those caretakers.
Sometimes that means sabotagingyourself, sometimes that means
prostituting yourself.
Sometimes that meansvictimizing yourself.
You realize that a lot of thehealing journey, especially with
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these archetypes, is aboutrewriting the contracts that you
wrote with those archetypes.
Initially, the contract is thisis what I have to do to feel
safe and secure, to get my needsmet.
Eventually, you rewrite thecontract into this is how I want
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to live, to experience freedomand empowerment.
For example, you may have hadto be a people pleaser as a
child to get your needs met,because if I pleased everybody,
everyone was happy with me, theywere less stressed and I felt
like they were more fit andwilling to take care of me.
That serves you for a period oftime, bringing you safety and
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security.
Then, now, as you get into yourteens, 20s, adulthood, and
you're still acting out thepeople pleaser.
Well, now you're exhaustingyourself, you're experiencing
fatigue, overwhelm, your nervoussystem stressed and you're
giving your energy away all thetime saying yes to everybody.
Now you realize, oh shit, myhealth crisis is literally just
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asking me to rewrite this oldcontract.
That said, I have to pleaseeverybody for my own survival,
which now I'm very capable oftaking care of myself.
Now I need to create somethingnew which is more aligned with
what feels free, what feelsempowering.
A lot of these survivalarchetypes are essentially what
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you have to do to survive, butnot necessarily thrive.
Yeah, yep, each archetype isthere to protect the child.
The saboteur is there toprotect the child.
The prostitute is there toprotect the child.
These go back very, very farinto our childhood and usually
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develop within the first sevento 10 years of our life.
I remember very clear memoriesof being quite young where my
mom would take me to my dad'sdoctor's office.
He was a doctor anytime I wasin pain and when my mom would
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take me there, I would get thebest treatment from my dad and
the nurses and the partners.
The victim in me says oh, whenI'm in pain, I get more love
from dad.
Now there's a contract therethat says if I need more love,
empathy or compassion, then painor illness is how I get that
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emotional need map.
There's a contract there withthe victim archetype.
Another one might be when Ispeak my truth, I get yelled at.
The saboteur says don't speakyour truth, it's not safe to do
so.
You start sabotaging your voice.
You see the victim, thesaboteur, the prostitute they're
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all there to protect the innerchild that's just trying to
survive and get its needs met.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yes, that makes so much sense.
So much sense, yeah, because Iwas just going to ask you at the
saboteur how does that pan out?
How is that protective?
But that makes sense.
Yeah, because that's also a bigthing Speaking your truth.
A lot of people are afraid todo that.
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Even now it's a big thing.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
The saboteur is a very interesting one.
It's the one that most peoplecan relate to, because they can
all look at their lives and belike, oh yeah, I sabotaged
myself in these areas.
Sometimes it's harder forpeople to look at the victim or
the prostitute just because ofthe connotation of them.
Everyone demonizes the victimand no one wants to look at the
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prostitute just because of theterm prostitute.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Right, yeah, they tend to think of sex instead of
self-compact.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
But it's just where we sell ourselves.
But the saboteur, on a deeperlevel, really represents our
relationship with truth and ourrelationship with power.
The saboteur tries to protectyou from truth and tries to
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protect you from your own power,because it knows that if you
acknowledge a certain truth oryou step into your power, then
everything in your life is goingto change.
If we take the people-pleasingexample the saboteur and you
knows that most of the peoplethat you're in a relationship
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with are getting their needs metby you being a people-pleaser.
Yeah that's what when you change, people are like wait a minute,
yeah, but as soon as you stepinto your power, all of a sudden
they're not getting their needsmet anymore and all your
relationships blow up in yourface.
So you see how the saboteur isactually protecting you from the
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inconvenience of truth andpower.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Ah, yes.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It could be the truth that you don't enjoy your job,
but you sabotage yourself anywaybecause you're getting a steady
paycheck, yeah.
Or you're not happy in yourrelationship, but you're afraid
of being alone, or you're afraidof X, y and Z.
So you protect yourself fromthat truth and you sabotage
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yourself in the process.
So the saboteur is alwaysprotecting you from truth and
power, because it feels asthough if you step into your
power or you embrace some sortof truth, it's going to be very
inconvenient.
Right, things are going tochange.
That's a big one right now.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah especially because it's all about
convenience.
Right, we're all aboutconvenience in our lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And there's no room and no time for blowing things
up, right, I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
or even slowing down at this point.
It's protecting you, yeah, it'sprotecting you from what's
unfamiliar, the unknown.
The savature is alwaysprotecting you from the unknown?
Yeah Right, so that makes sense.
If you find yourself sabotagingyourself, what you can ask
yourself is the best questionyou can always ask yourself is
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what part of me is benefitingfrom doing so?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Right.
And with the saboteur, there'sa term called secondary gain,
right.
Secondary gain is the part ofyou that benefits from either
pain or patterns ofself-sabotage, right?
That's the essence of thesaboteur is there's a part of
you that's benefiting from doingso, right?
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So if you take a look at yourpatterns of self-sabotage, a lot
of people almost like guilt,blame and shame themselves for
doing it.
Like gosh, why am I alwayssabotaging myself?
Well, instead of trying toanswer that question, first,
answer the question how am Ibenefiting from doing so?
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Yeah, and then you arrive at ananswer which allows you to
potentially make a differentchoice or get that need met in a
different way.
And there's a lot of very simpleexamples that can show up in
people's lives.
For example, I might get aclient with chronic back pain
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who comes to me for help sayingthey want to get out of pain,
but you realize that they'regetting medical leave and pay
time off from the job that theydon't enjoy.
Oh, yeah.
So the secondary gain is usingpain to get out of something
that they don't enjoy doing, andright now they're getting paid
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to do so.
So the saboteur being whatprotects you from truth, what's
the truth there that I don'tenjoy my career.
Yes, that.
I'm doing something that I don'tlike to do.
Right, so you can see howsecondary gain and the
protection from truth is reallywhere the saboteur shows up.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's just really that firstlevel of self-awareness about,
yeah, really being honest in ourlife about what we really want
to be doing.
And, like you said, if thepayoff is high for that behavior
or playing that role, thenyou're not going to see the
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value in changing it right Untilyou see that there's a bigger
payoff on the other side.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It's almost like you have to tip the scales where
you're never going to change.
If there's still more benefitin not changing, yeah, then
actually making the change.
And once your awareness startsto perceive more benefit from
the change than from the illnessor pain, then that's when
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change starts to happen.
So it's almost like the scalesjust need to tip.
And a lot of the self-sabotageis when we're still kind of
leaning towards the side of I'mbenefiting more from the pain
than I am from making the change, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's a big.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Which can be a hard thing to look at for people.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Oh very much, yeah, very much, because we don't want
to.
I mean, ultimately, people Ingeneral, I feel like it's hard
for them to take responsibility.
It's like we're getting backinto that victim thing, right,
like because we're not takingresponsibility for what we're
actually creating on many levelsand I think it's number one.
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Taking responsibility andsaying, hey, just open the door
to curiosity with that Like,what could this be about?
And reflecting on that is whereI would say, most people start
and that feels like it might bea little bit better than just
jumping in and trying to analyzeyourself, just asking a
question and saying, hey, whatis this all about?
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And then most people I feellike, do know, if you're not
happy with your job, you knowthis, you know this is the
underlying current, but most ofus don't want to really look at
that because it's like thatprostitute archetype we're
negotiating our values, so whatwe're getting paid is going to
be higher in value than what weyou know, than honoring our
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values, you know our time orhappiness or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, the prostitute is also what competes with your
intuition.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That makes sense.
So let's say, your intuitionsays it's time for you to leave
your job as an accountant and gobe an artist.
Well, the prostitute then comesin and says that's a terrible
idea, because you're getting asteady paycheck as an accountant
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and you realize that theprostitute's job is to always
try and ensure a guaranteedoutcome.
Right, like a guaranteedpaycheck.
Or when I was a child and mymom would give me money to go to
the movies with friends, Iwould find myself buying my
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friends movie tickets.
Now at the time I was like, oh,I'm being a nice guy.
Well, what was I doing?
I was buying their loyalty.
Yes, I was buying a guaranteelike an insurance policy.
And the sabbat, not thesabbatore, the prostitute, is
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really related to yourself-worth.
All right if you don't haveself-worth or trust yourself,
like in that situation.
I didn't trust or have theself-worth that they would want
to be friends with me, just forme.
So I figured I would buy aguarantee, all right.
So you see how the prostituteall relates to self-worth and it
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relates to trying to ensuresome guaranteed outcome because
it doesn't trust.
And that's where it competesagainst intuition, because
intuition a lot of times is.
A lot of times, intuition isguiding you into something that
goes against your fears ofsecurity, of losing security,
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like not being an accountantanymore and going and being an
artist.
That goes against your fears oflosing security and not having
guaranteed income as an example.
So a lot of times, whatintuition is guiding us into is
in competition with what theprostitute is trying to ensure
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for us.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
So there's conflict there on those times With your
coaching, how do you help peoplewhen they're in that I mean,
I'm not laughing, I'm justsaying yes, and I'm kind of just
laughing because I'veexperienced everything you're
talking about.
I've lived it, and especiallywith a prostitute.
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The self-compromise I've didthat for years and it's so
interesting.
The lights I think I rememberPaul talked about that too the
light side being intuition, andthat is something I've just now
come to be able to really makepeace with.
But I struggle with that forsuch a long time.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Me too.
It's hard, especially whenyou've been taught to not trust
yourself.
Yes, a lot of people have beentaught from a young age to not
trust their intuition, and I'mone of those people who has had
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a really hard time trusting hisintuition and constant patterns
of second guessing or alwaysreverting back to what feels
safe, secure and familiar.
So that's really the I callthis course Healing your Core
Archetypes A Journey ofEmpowerment is because these are
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all the ways in which wenegotiate or give our power away
.
These archetypes reallyrepresent your relationship with
your own power and what yougive your power away to whether
it's other people, beliefsystems, finances, certain life
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circumstances, things we feelvictimized by, ways we sabotage
ourselves, ways we prostituteourselves.
This is all your relationshipwith your own power, your own
empowerment, and healing thearchetypes is really the journey
of reclaiming your power, andwhere you give your power away
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is also where your energy goes.
Yes, so, if you're, for example,if you're struggling with your
own health, your health ishiding in the power that you
gave away.
That's really where your healthis to be reclaimed.
It's the power that needs to bereclaimed.
It could be as simple as sayingno to things that you used to
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say yes to, but you were sayingyes out of obligation.
I was just working with aclient before we got on today.
She was telling me about herfamily situation and certain
relationships and how so manychoices are made out of
obligation and what isobligation?
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Obligation is a choice made outof fear and avoidance.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Right, fear of triggering someone else's
disappointment, unmetexpectations, et cetera, et
cetera.
So you could see how patternsof self-sabotage are showing up
there and someone like that hasleft feeling exhausted, feeling
angry and resentful, and nowtheir health is starting to be
compromised.
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So one of the first ways inwhich we reclaim our health is
by reclaiming our power, andthese archetypes are really the
ways in which we can do that.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Absolutely.
Yeah, that's wonderful.
I think of them as energy orChi leaks.
Our energy is going in thisdirection we're not crazy about,
but we still let it go and itjust stays unresolved.
It siphons our energy after awhile and then we're like ah, I
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remember when I first startedgetting into the fitness
coaching industry, I worked withso many women who had
fibromyalgia.
It was a big thing.
I noticed that it was justbecause they couldn't do it.
That's what they were doing.
They were leaking their energyinto all these situations and
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thinking about things way toomuch and worrying about things
and it was having an effect ontheir body.
It was creating pain.
So these things can surfacephysically.
Everything energetic surfacesphysically eventually if it
stays there long enough.
So this is why it's really goodfor your health to just look at
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these archetypes and see, okay,where can I balance these out?
Because I like the 50-50 thing,because it can always be
balanced and there's no right orwrong.
It's just how you're playing itout in your life and we all
feel those times where they'reout of balance in our life and
we can feel that in our bodies,we can feel that in our low
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energy state, and so it's goodto have a check-in, to be able
to rebalance those roles thatyou're playing in your life.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah, a lot of it is just self-reflection, exploring
your day and saying was thereany time during the day in which
I felt victimized, felt likelife was just happening to me
rather than for me?
Did I fall into any patterns ofblame or self-pity?
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Or were there any patterns ofself-soothing rather than
self-care?
That's another big thing.
Is anytime we fall intopatterns of self-soothing we
know we've moved into the victimarchetype?
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Would, that be like addictions or something, or
would that fall under thatcategory?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, Addictions yeah , overeating, checking out
whatever it is.
But patterns of self-soothingare an expression of the victim
and usually the victim andself-soothing is related to
(42:54):
pointing outside of you as tosomeone or something as the
cause of your experience.
Right, it could be.
You know I'm doing for everyoneelse at the expense of myself.
I never have enough time orenergy for myself.
Then we go home and we don'tengage in self care.
After that we engage in selfsoothing.
(43:15):
So that's another example ofwhere you can explore the victim
archetype or patterns of selfsoothing.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
That's a big differentiation there.
Yeah, to make good discernmentthere.
I like that.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah, because the truth is, you know, the victim
is.
You know I remember a quoteonce that said victimhood is
anything less than 100% selfresponsibility.
Yeah, so anytime we're nottaking 100% ownership for our
lives, that's technicallyvictimhood, you know.
(43:56):
So that's a big one weobviously can take a look at.
You know patterns of selfsabotage throughout the day but
we're not taking care ofourselves, areas in life that
we're not speaking our truth orbeing honest or authentic.
You know, maybe, ways in whichwe're procrastinating or not
(44:18):
like taking action on things,patterns of stagnation.
So, you know, with the saboteur,you know, the big question,
like I shared earlier, is whatpart of me is benefiting by
sabotaging.
That opens the door for, like,a deeper exploration which then
can clear the path for you tomake a new choice.
Now, in the course, I take youthrough specific meditations and
(44:42):
energetic clearings andintegration work to really
explore these archetypes prettydeeply and understand the
origins of them.
But a lot of it is kind of likethe self reflection practice
and inner exploration each day,and in the course I kind of take
(45:02):
you through exactly how to dothat but also take you through
specific practices to build arelationship with each archetype
.
I think that's the biggestthing is learning how to
cultivate a relationship withthe archetypes.
You can create enough spaceinside of yourself to begin to
understand the pattern.
(45:23):
And once you can kind ofcultivate that relationship with
it.
Now you have the space to makea different choice.
You know, because you're also,you're not identified as it
anymore when you're inrelationship with it.
Yeah, like I'm in relationshipwith Allison because I don't
identify as her.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Right, yeah, that's a great way to put it.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
If I'm in relationship with my inner
victim, I don't identify as thevictim anymore, because now
there's a me, separate from thevictim, that can now have the
space to make a new choice.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, and that expression of the victim becomes
a part of you and you integratethat right into your whole
being.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, yeah, the the victim too, I think, is there
was something I was going tobring up about.
The victim is.
It's a big thing right now,especially with the younger
generations, and I, I feel likealso, just I wanted to ask you a
question about the victim is it?
Would it also with a light sideof that?
(46:31):
You're saying settingboundaries but also just saying
I don't want to participate withthat.
You know, that would be a wayof setting boundaries as well.
I'm thinking to boundary.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, anytime you say no, you're setting a boundary.
Yeah, the word no is a boundarylike imagine, you know, the
first time you said a boundarywas when you said no, like you
were, you know, you were in yourhigh chair and your mom was
coming in with the food and youpushed it away.
Right, that's your body sayingno by setting a boundary, right?
(47:10):
So the word no is basically thegreatest boundary or simplest
boundary that you can set.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah, it's pretty powerful.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Well, that is wonderful.
Thanks so much, greg.
This has been in a veryenlightening conversation, so
thanks for coming on, and Iwould love for you to share
where they can find your course.
Thanks, or anything andanything else you can.
You want to share about thattoo.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, so you know.
The course outlines sevenarchetypes.
We touched upon the foursurvivals.
Today, in addition to the foursurvivals, we go into the mother
, the father and the Amago day.
Right.
So the mother and father areyour relationship with the
masculine and feminine, whichstarts with your relationship
(48:03):
with mom and dad, right.
So mom represents yourrelationship with your feminine,
also the feminine of others,and the masculine dad represents
your relationship with yourinner masculine, the masculine
of others and other men.
So these are also like deepformative forces that develop
early on in our lifetime.
(48:25):
And the mother archetypeessentially sets the stage for
how you mother yourself, for howyou receive yourself, how you
relate to your inner life.
And the father archetype, whichis more externalized, sets the
stage for how you're going to bereceived by the world, how you
(48:46):
think you're going to bereceived by the world.
Like if your dad was like asuper macho guy, not emotional
or very intellectual, like youthink you're going to be
received by the world in thatway.
So you might compartmentalizeyour emotional stuff, because
you don't think the world'sgoing to be able to receive that
because your dad wasn't able toRight.
(49:08):
So a lot of it is kind ofrewriting the script as to the
way the world is going toreceive me might not be a
reflection of how my fatherreceived me and how I relate to
my inner life.
How is that a mirror of how mymother received me and what
shifts do I need to make there?
It's a lot of inner parenting.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Right, and kind of like exploring how mom and dad
still live inside of you and inthe course I take you through a
lot of different practices,meditations, clearings, just to
kind of work with mom, dad andeven their lineage, right.
So a lot of those patterns areinherited patterns from previous
generations, right.
And then the last, the lastarchetype that we go into is the
(49:51):
Amago day, which is your imageof God.
Yeah, whatever you'reperception of God is yeah, yeah.
So that's a big one, that's areally powerful archetype.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Because that excuse me, that archetype informs all
other archetypes.
Right the Amago day will informthe child, the victim, the
saboteur, the prostitute and,for example, if you always see
God as the father, that mightkeep you in the child.
Oh yeah, if you feel like Godis going to reward you for all
(50:28):
the good things and punish youfor all the bad things, that
actually sets you up for thevictim.
If you have ideas as to whatGod wants or needs or what
you're supposed to do, thatmight set you up for
self-sabotage.
Or the prostitute is a reallyinteresting one, where how much
(50:51):
of people's prayer is an act ofnegotiation, oh my.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
God, I never thought about it like this Most people's
prostitute archetype is the onethat's praying.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah, it is, that's true.
It is a negotiation sometimesyeah.
I want this outcome, I wantthis guaranteed outcome and I
promise, if you give me thisguaranteed outcome, I won't do
this anymore.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Right, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
That's literally the prostitute that's showing up
like in your prayer.
Love, which I've seen this inmyself like tremendously.
And then also the mother andfather, where we project mom and
dad qualities onto the AmagoDay, onto God, right?
So you see, all thesearchetypes are so interwoven,
(51:42):
but the Amago Day informs all ofthe other ones Also.
You know, the Amago Day canrelate to your relationship with
death and if you think aboutthe four survival archetypes, it
relates to survival.
So if your beliefs around deathare reincarnation, that's going
(52:06):
to inform your survivalarchetypes much differently than
if you think it's just lightsout, right?
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Right yeah.
So when you sabotage yourself,prostitute yourself or if you
feel victimized, For example, alot of people who only identify
with this physical realm mightfeel victimized by something
where someone else who has moreof a connection to spirit or
soul might not feel asvictimized by it.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yes, ok, yeah.
Or like I was saying if you,have that connection to spirit,
but if you don't and you're morein the physical, you're saying
you're going to be more feelinglike a victim as it relates to
the afterlife right or death.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Or if you think about , like, how many times we set up
this like spiritual equation,that, like I was saying earlier,
do something good, get a reward, do something bad, get a
punishment.
Well, what happens when you dosomething good and you don't get
the reward you were looking for?
Or what happens if you get anundesirable outcome but you
(53:21):
can't find something wrong thatyou did to deserve it?
That all sets the stage for thevictim archetype.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Oh, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah, so you could see how your beliefs around God,
religion, spirituality, all ofit are constantly informing all
of your other archetypes.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Oh, that makes sense.
It's a source.
It is the source of everything,right, yeah, yeah.
What would be the light side ofthat?
Like that expression.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
The Imago Day.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Well, just having a healthy relationship with God,
yeah, Having a healthyrelationship with source and
healing a lot of your oldprograms around it.
I've had to heal a lot of myprograms around projecting
parental qualities onto God.
(54:19):
You know aspects of my motheror father.
Like you know, my mom was veryloving, but to her unconditional
love was just like saying yesto everything, Right?
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
So I had this idea that, oh, unconditional love is
saying yes to everything.
Well, all of a sudden I becomea people pleaser in the name of
spirituality.
Yeah.
Or you know my dad it was, yeah,yeah, or my dad, you know, it
was always very like performanceand achievement driven yeah,
(54:58):
where I probably have justturned spirituality into a
performance, into a competition.
Yeah, and I'm not worthy of myfather's love, I'm not worthy of
God's love until I've doneenough, until I've, you know,
(55:18):
produced enough or shared enough, or worked enough or loved
enough, or it's always likenever enough.
Yeah, I know that feeling thatcomes from.
Yeah, so you could see they'reall intertwined, they're all
informing one another.
(55:38):
But the light side of the AmagoDay is just really having a
healthy relationship with source.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
When that serves you.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, I think that's beautiful.
Well, thank you, greg, that wasincredible.
I would highly recommend youguys go do this course because
it is going to really help youget balanced in all those areas
of your life.
So definitely, and it's a veryaffordable course.
And I mean you just are soclear and you just take
(56:10):
everybody with so much supportstep by step through the process
.
So thank you, greg, foroffering this and do it.
They go to their, do they go toyour website to find the course
?
How do they?
I will leave a link to underthe show notes for it, a direct
one, but is there any anywhereelse?
You want to direct people asfar as websites, social media,
(56:33):
that kind of thing?
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Yeah, so my website is healing4dcom and that's where
that's kind of like my homebase, where everything's really
located.
They want one on one coachingmy programs and we'll have your
link to the course in the shownotes so people can use that
link and then for a discountthey can use the code podcast 20
(57:00):
, which will allow them to save20% off.
So to get to the coursedirectly, just use Allison's
link in the show notes.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
All right, I will provide that.
Thank you, greg, appreciate itso much.
Thanks for coming on today.
Thank you for having me.
It was an honor.
Thank you, thank you.
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