March 11, 2024 • 71 mins
Sasha Armstrong is a world-renowned canine behaviorist and Dog Shaman. She's an industry leader and innovator who optimizes the human-to-canine relationship through her proprietary process, The Inner Alpha Method™. Serving as an experienced educator, she guides us into a more intimate, holistic and natural relationship with our canines by helping us embody the essence of an Alpha.
Through observing wolves and researching the ancestry of the domesticated dog, Sasha discovered her innate ability to both understand their language and create deep connection. Mastering her craft for more than twenty years, Sasha has helped thousands of humans meet the needs of their dogs by bridging the communication gap, restoring healthy modern pack dynamics and uncovering details about both dog and human energies.
She helps all ages of two and four legged friends by opening the door to deeper connection between human and animal and has been featured in Reader’s Digest, USA Today and as an expert on top podcasts and television shows. Sasha lives on a 60-acre farm in Northwest Illinois with her family of a pack of six dogs and six horses.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Your life is your greatest work of art.
It all relates back to thesickness of the past.
Welcome to Integrate Yourself,everybody.
I'm your host, Alison Pillow,and you can find me at
FinallyThrivingProgramcom andAlisonPillowcom.
Today I'm here with a veryspecial guest, Sasha Armstrong.
(00:24):
She is founder of Canine Stateof Mind and a renowned Canine
behaviorist and dog shaman.
She's an industry leader andinnovator who optimizes the
human-to-Canine relationshipthrough her proprietary process,
the inner alpha method.
Serving as an experiencededucator, she guides us into
(00:45):
more intimate, holistic andnatural relationship with our
canines by helping us embody theessence of an alpha.
Sasha, thank you so much forcoming on the show.
I'm so excited you're heretoday.
We're going to have so much funtalking about our pets and
animals in general, because Ihaven't really had this on my
(01:05):
show yet, this topic.
I think it's really importantbecause our relationship with
our animals really is whatbrings us in, in a way, to the
present moment in our lives.
It also teaches us how to loveunconditionally.
In many ways, I think this isan important topic for people to
bring in as it relates tohealth and wellness and their,
(01:26):
of course, well-being.
Thank you for coming to theshow.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's an honor to be here, Alison.
It's a profound gift that wehave to be in connection with
animals.
Yeah, they teach us so muchright.
The gifts are endless andlimitless.
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It's our time as humans tostart giving back to them.
It's time to really create ashift in the way that we
understand them for exactly whoand what they are.
(02:13):
Right when we talk about dogsspecifically, of course, I find
that everybody is very aware ofthe beauties and the magic and
the gifts that our dogs give tous.
I think that even then, there'sso much more that we're not
(02:36):
aware of.
Right, there's so much more toexplore in that relationship and
by truly taking ourselves andour human wants and needs
outside of what we think ourdogs are experiencing, living so
(02:56):
closely with us is ultimatelywhat returns the gifts that they
give to us.
So by us removing our humannessfrom the relationship, we're
actually able to step into themost magnificent role and
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presence with our animals.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, yeah.
So by humanness, I'm guessingyou're meaning, like, our human
projections, our humanpreferences, our emotional
preferences, how we feel safeand secure ourselves.
Many of us project that ontoour pets, right?
Is that what you're sayingabout that Exactly?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Exactly and even looking at how we speak of them.
This is something where I talka lot in my work and with
clients.
How we verbalize, how we word,how we describe our animals and
the relationship that we havewith them is so powerful.
(04:03):
Word holds a lot of power andso when we use words like they
are our pets, or we are theirowners or their masters, or the
dog needs to be trained orcurved or controlled, well, this
(04:24):
does a huge disservice to therelationship to the animal that
we adore so much and it almosttakes on a minimizing or a
demeaning approach.
So, as we think about the waythat we speak, the way that we
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verbally acknowledge our animalsand the relationship that
actually defines it, it's whatcreates it.
So I invite everybody and when Isay everybody, it's because
we're programmed we don't eventhink about how we refer to our
animals.
Everybody says train your dog.
(05:08):
The dog's the owner, they areour pets.
So we really have to bring amindfulness and awareness around
that so that we can startmolding and shaping and creating
the relationship to exactlywhat we ideally want it to be.
(05:30):
And it starts really.
It starts there because itholds so much energy, and the
energy is the language that wespeak first and foremost, and
it's the language that animalsspeak first and foremost, and
that's where we come together inthat universal way.
(05:50):
Right, that we all that'ssomething that we all have in
common is that we communicatethrough our energy.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Absolutely.
Yeah, that really resonateswith me because what I hear you
saying is you're setting theenergy tone with your and the
relationship of that energy withyour.
We used to call our pets ourcompanions right Years ago, and
that term isn't used as muchanymore.
Yeah, yeah, it's true.
(06:21):
Yeah, you.
Just you just sparked that inme.
I was like, wow, yeah, that's,we really don't use that term
anymore.
That's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, Well and even more Allison.
It's.
It's a testament to how, in myperspective, we have not evolved
in our relationship withanimals, but we have grown more
and more disconnected fromnature and from the teachings
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and the connection that we gainfrom animals.
And currently, sadly, which iswhat I hope, to lead a movement
to change, and that's what we'redoing is to reconnect and
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remember that divine union, theregarding animals as the
grandmaster teachers that theyare.
We don't own them, we're nothere to train them.
If anything, we're here to bein humble observation of the
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masterful teacher teachings thatthey have to teach us.
So, right now, it's it's veryreverse and we need to bring the
relationship, bring the dynamicback into a balanced state,
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because we have been inpartnership with canines for 25,
30,000 years, maybe longer.
Right, this is an ancient,profound, deeply.
I think it is the deepestrelationship and connection, the
most powerful, that humansexperience, because it takes us
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to a spiritual, source-connectedway of being that we otherwise
lose track of and getdisconnected from in our day to
day kind of unconscious survival.
(08:46):
So, yeah, it's such a profoundrelationship and it always, just
, you know, just inspires mebeyond to talk about it Every
time I talk about it.
I get emotional, I get full bodychills.
(09:07):
It's like it's just sobeautiful.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's.
It's so interesting what you'resaying, sasha, because, yeah,
we have had this relationshipwith animals for so long and I
think part of it is that we havelost or disconnected from the
energy of ourselves, right?
So therefore, it's going to behard to connect with the energy
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of other beings when we're, whenwe're in that state, and so it
almost seems like you're notjust working with the animal,
you're also working with theperson in the relationship there
and the interdependence withthat relationship.
And the other thing that cameup as you were talking was the
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word intelligence and naturalintelligence.
And what we tend to think ofisn't as intelligence in our
society is something that comesfrom the brain, something that
is is learned or gone to.
We go to school forintelligence, but really natural
intelligence is found in nature, it's found in animals, and if
we can slow down to even feelinto that, that's going to be
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different than what we havelearned.
Intelligence is, it's going tobe, it's going to open us up to
a whole new world, right?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Completely yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So I want to.
I want to get back to whatsomething we were talking about
before, which is you weretelling me that you were.
You got to a place where youjust were so emotionally
invested in your work.
You had to take a step back,and I would love to hear more
about that, because I'veexperienced that in the fitness
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industry.
I was really getting frustratedat one point where I was kind
of I felt like I was going overthe same thing over and over
again and it just wasn'tsticking or landing with people
and it was starting to get alittle bit frustrating in some
ways, and so I had to take astep back and kind of separate
myself from being in it so muchand identifying with this you
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know, being this person who's afitness trainer and helping
people with their health andwellness and take a step back
and look and see okay, there ismy center point in all of this
and what is really happening.
So I would love to hear yourexperience with what you're
doing as well and how you didthat.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So I've been doing my work since I was a child and I
have gotten to numerous pointsthroughout my journey where
exactly my emotional investmentand commitment to creating the
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most optimized existenceexperience for dogs and their
humans.
It became so draining for me tosee that people and this kind
of goes back to where we'recurrently at in the state of
affairs with our animals, wherewe are at in relationship with
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them, which, of course, is agreater reflection of what's
going on with the disconnectionthat we have with ourselves.
Is that the unwillingness andresistance that I was met with
for people to look at how theyshow up, take accountability and
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start to be a certain way.
That required stepping outsideof what was easy for them, even
if that meant that theycompromised the quality of life
of the animal that they calltheir best friend.
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So throughout my process, I hadto step back and recalibrate
and take what I now think of asa sabbatical.
I really had to take time awayto disconnect and work and
(13:37):
recalibrate in order to comeback and reconnect in a way that
truly, as you just said alittle bit ago, that I can show
up for my human clients the bestversion of myself, because
ultimately, ali, algae Flightofueprints when we want to
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transform and create the bestpossible relationship with our
dogs, it has nothing to do withthem, it has nothing to do with
changing their behavior orcorrecting anything or fixing
anything.
It all comes back to us always.
(14:24):
What I'm finding now is a moreexpansive openness and a
different vibration, that moreand more people are starting to
step into something deeper andmore meaningful and they're
starting to see that theoutdated, old ways of being
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don't work.
Not only do they not work,they're not functional.
They don't help us to createdream affirmative relationships
with ourselves, with the peoplearound us, our family and, of
course, our animals.
I'm seeing this now more thanever, that openness, that
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willingness, and it's veryinspiring and it's very exciting
for me After all these years.
Right, and I always laugh it'slike you know, I've been doing
my work for 25 years in thislifetime, but that doesn't
include all the lifetimes before.
(15:33):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, you kind of arrived with a purpose here,
knowing what you're going to bedoing and stepping into.
We talked also before the showstarted about how this is a
different time.
2024 is going to be more ofthat kind of energy coming in
and people stepping into theseroles that we've been working on
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for so long and it's been sohard and frustrating in the past
and now it's going to, I feel,going to become easier Because
people's consciousness is rising.
We are, I think, people as awhole, even if they're not
trying that hard.
It's happening naturally justbecause of the earth changes
that are happening and the solarflares and all of these things
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that we're connected to.
We don't realize we'reconnected to and how
interdependent that is as well,so that's really good news.
So I think that's part of whywe're going to be looking at our
animals differently too, in awhole new relationship as well.
Like you say, are you finding itstill challenging to get people
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out of that training my animalor my pet mindset into having a
different kind of relationshipwith the animal?
Because a lot of people youknow I see this on the trail all
the time People really try tocontrol their dog or they get
really anxious with their dog asanother dog goes by, and I'm
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seeing this happen more and moreover the years, and it's so
interesting to me because Ithink, you know, many people
personalize their dog so muchit's like they become their
child, you know, and we can getinto the conversation of that
too.
With children it's a similarthing, but I think it's about
control, and so maybe you canget into that aspect and what
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you're seeing and then thattrend and what you're doing to
help people with that as well.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I would say it is very challenging for people to
let go of the control and let goof these very programmed ways
of and really miss amisperception it's.
(18:07):
I think most people don't evenunderstand where they got what
they've gotten in regards to howthey relate to their dog or how
they speak of it.
But because the dog's presencein our life is so deep, it's so
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present, a dog is a reflectionof us, yeah, and what we think
and how we feel, and ourwounding and our small ego,
right.
So, as what is behind control,the need to control fear, a fear
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of not being able to be this orthat or that something bad is
going to happen, or that our egois bruised or all of the things
, and the dog is the extensionof that.
And so again, it goes back toif we are not full and actively
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working to develop ourselves andtake charge of ourselves and be
the masters of ourselves, thenultimately that dysfunction and
imbalance will be taken out andprojected onto the dog.
And the dog, as I say, forbetter or for worse, is stuck
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with the human Right.
People don't really want tothink about that.
They have a perception and abelief that their dog loves them
.
I would disagree, and that'snot my opinion.
It's what the dogs tell me,right?
So I want to get into that howyou communicate with them too.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, that was beautiful.
I love that because I've alwaysthink of animals as energy
receivers.
They receive our energy, theytake it and they absorb it.
They sometimes absorb a lot ofnegative energy from people as
well, but they're it's such a,they are a gift in that way, as
you were talking.
It just got me thinking abouthow much, what a gift they are
(20:29):
as a reflection for us, if wecan see that in our lives.
Right, and they are, it's true,unconditional love in so many
ways, because they're notjudging it, they're just taking
it in for you.
You know, it's so interesting.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Well, when you think about it, the vast majority of
the dog training industry isaround tactics and tricks and
obedience techniques that onlyexacerbate a disconnection and a
stress, anxiety, nervousresponse from the animal.
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So all of my clients, I wouldsay, have gone that route right,
only to spiral down the funnelof dysfunction and
dissatisfaction Right.
And so they.
They come to me and when westart actually aligning what is
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most important, which is thehuman thoughts and the humans
energy, we actually never evenhave to do anything to address
the dog's behavior.
It all comes in to properalignment Because dogs are
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divine channels from source.
They are pure, right.
They don't have goes.
They don't have, you knowthey're.
They don't have desires andagendas.
You know their.
Their existence is about beingsuccessful and surviving and
carrying on lineage.
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That is their purpose.
Nothing more, nothing less,right.
So when we, when we create thisfoundational, when we start
really addressing, as you talkedabout this, this conduit, like
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we're, we are everything thatgoes on within us the dog is
experiencing unfold.
So to be going outside ofourselves and to put the energy
and the focus on how the dogneeds to be different or how the
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dog needs to show up this wayand the dog needs to be obedient
and the dog needs to do this.
We're completely losing sightand focus of the most important
component and ingredient for theharmonious nature of that
(23:20):
relationship.
It will never be that if ourfocus is outside of ourselves
and quite frankly that appliesto any area and aspect of a
human's life Right, and we're.
We're always looking for thefix, we're always looking for
the pill, we're looking for thenext craze and fad.
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When you know to to solve the,you know the void, to heal the
void and and the wounding, when,ultimately, everything that is
inside of us, we have everythingthat we need inside of us, and
so my clients that really startto go in and they start to
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explore their inner world andthe inner mechanics of how they
show up.
It's like that the dog is likeready and waiting and willing to
start.
I mean, they're just, they'rejust there, ready, ready to
respond.
They're just literally likewaiting for the human to get it
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together.
Come on now.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
When's it going to happen?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So that's that's with such patience and grace.
However, we also are dealingwith relationships that are
pretty dysfunctional and brokendown.
I talk to a lot of people everyday.
I get really an overwhelmingreach out from dog parents
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across the globe that aresuffering.
They're disempowered todiffering degrees within their
relationship, and so we have tounderstand that something needs
to be.
The approach needs to bedifferent, right, and we really
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need to start Happing into this,this paradigm shift right where
we're letting go of the stuffthat once was, that never had a
function, and it definitelydoesn't now.
So it's really exciting thatpeople are Stepping into this
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whole new world because,ultimately, their lives change
for the greater good, along witheverybody that comes in contact
with them.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I love that.
Yes, that makes so much senseto me too.
But, yeah, it's until someonebrings that out for you to think
about it like that, it's, it's,it's hidden, right, it's hidden
.
But I want to get also intosomething you mentioned earlier
about the animals will tell aretelling you something different,
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right, you say it's not comingfrom you, it's coming from the
animals.
I want to really hear moreabout how you communicate with
the, with the animals, because Ithink that's so fascinating.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I would love to talk about it.
It's one of my favoritefavorite topics.
So you said it earlier, allison.
There's so much of our bondwith our dogs, so so much time
has spent in relationship withdogs, humanly projecting onto
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them right?
So it would literally, allison,be like me saying, or me
feeling, a certain way about youand regardless of what was
going on for you, how you feltabout me, I would already have
assumed and expect andabsolutely know that you feel
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the same way about me because ofhow I feel about you.
So I would say that it's one ofthe most crucial.
If there's anything that I canrole and inspire humans to do,
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is to step outside of themselvesand learn how to listen and
maybe be okay with the fact thatour dogs don't love us.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
As much as we think we do right.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
They teach us unconditional love, but that's
acceptance.
So for me, you might notunconditionally love someone or
something, but from the teachingof the dog, it's an acceptance
of what is, and dogs don't knowhow to be anything other than
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that.
It's hardwired into them as aspecies, it's in their way of
being, and so we translate itand perceive it as one thing,
but for them it's totallydifferent.
They don't feel it or see itlike we do.
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I see that this humanprojection is definitely one of
the most dysfunctional aspectsof the human-to-canine
relationship.
To allow our dogs to be who andwhat they are, as autonomous
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beings, honoring and respectingtheir language and their space,
is exactly what they need.
It's not a desire or a want,it's a need.
It's a need when we can providethat to our dogs.
That's when we see them shine.
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That's when we see the idealversions, the optimized versions
of our dogs emerge and bepresent all the time, and I
don't see many dogs that havethe opportunity to shine.
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Most clients haven't even seenthe ideal, true spirit of their
dogs because it's shadowed andburdened down by stress and
anxiety and nervousness.
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And we as the humans, with allof the best intentions I believe
that most humans have all ofthe best intentions for our dogs
, it doesn't mean that theyunderstand their dogs for who
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and what they are and thatthey're able to take actual
steps and show up in a way everyday that honors that.
So how do we and again, this isnot my opinion right, this is
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not something that I made up,this is coming straight from the
wolf's mouth, right?
So that's what our dogs needfrom us.
Now, how do we do that?
How do we provide the bestpossible life experience, the
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most harmonized experience withour dogs, allowing them to
believe in trust in us as theirleaders?
Well, we first have tounderstand them.
We have to learn how to speaktheir language.
We have to make sure that we'redoing the work on ourselves so
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that we can regulate our nervoussystem.
Canine picks up a human pulserate 100 times more intensely
than we feel it ourselves.
They detect epileptic seizures24 hours before they happen.
They can sniff out any kind ofcancer known to man.
These animals and their sensorysystems and abilities to path
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any kind of human technology bylight years.
So we need to be in humbleappreciation of them.
So these are the ways that wecan start showing up for them,
and a lot of times, what thatactually looks like is that we
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have to set our codependenthuman emotional needs aside in
order to meet our dogs, because,ultimately, we want them to
thrive, we want them to trust us, because what comes way before
love, what do you have to havebefore love?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Trust yes.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
And I don't see many dogs that trust their humans.
In fact I see the opposite.
I see animals that have takenon a job description within
their relationship with theirhuman that must be fulfilled.
But a dog is not capable offulfilling a leadership role in
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a world that they don'tunderstand.
But somebody has to do it inorder for the pack to be
successful and survive and forthe lineage, the bloodlines, to
carry on.
Remember, that's their goal,that's surprise, that's what
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they live for.
So when our dogs take on thisrole because they know they're
not fit for it, it causes such asense of this regulation and
stress and anxiety andnervousness and it shows up and
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manifests in all of the manyways.
I'm sure even at times you'veseen it show up with your dog.
Everybody deals with it.
This is not specific or uniqueto individual people.
All dogs are dealing with thisacross the board and it
manifests in different ways andit expresses itself to differing
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degrees of intensity.
So fulfilling this mostimportant, essential role in our
relationship with our dogs isthe golden expression of love.
It's the greatest gift that wecan give to them.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I love that.
Oh man, yeah, yeah.
So there's such a gift and inmany ways that we don't even
realize they're teaching us howto unconditionally love, if we
can pay attention to that, andit sounds like the journey
really is coming back toyourself and doing the inner
work and there's teaching usthat as well.
(35:30):
That's so interesting and I'mguessing that and thank you for
that was beautiful.
I just love how you expressedthat and articulated that, your
experience and how youcommunicate with animals, and I
was just curious, like I'm justcurious, are you and I feel this
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too like we all probablyexperience a telepathic
communication, whether pets arefeeling right, but we sometimes
don't always pay attention to itor give much merit to it.
But that is what I feel like ishappening.
Hmm, Completely.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Isn't it funny right there, allison, did you catch
yourself saying pet?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Oh, I did, I didn't even notice.
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
There we go.
So that's so.
Obviously this takes such a aswe speak, because what we speak
we become, and so that awarenessit's like we have to start.
It's like creating a newpattern, a new behavior, right,
it's so.
It's wild how we just like,unconsciously, these are the
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words that we use, right, it'salmost.
You know, I mean, it's almostlike saying it's like a negative
self talk, like if you caughtyourself, right, oh, allison,
don't do that.
Or, you know, it's like it'sjust going to like, almost like,
exacerbate and continue thatthought pattern and then it
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becomes something more.
So it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
That's yeah.
I need to be attention to thatfor sure now, absolutely, and
you will.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, and you will.
And I love that you touch onthis telepathic communication,
because that is the intuition,that's our higher self, that is
the heart, coherent space, right, that is where we can, when we
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can communicate through ourheart centered energy, which
then is connected to our brain.
Obviously, our heart is thebiggest brain, the smartest
brain, and when this getsconnected, we don't have to say
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words, we don't have to control,we don't have to manipulate, we
don't have to correct, wecorrect, we don't have to fix,
we don't have to micromanage andconstantly be involved in
helicoptering and hands on.
And I mean this is what we dowith our animals.
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And when people realize thatthey can communicate with their
dog from a heart centered,energetic, telepathic, intuitive
space, that is flow space, thatis remembering what it was,
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that's going back into thesacred divine connection, the
honoring of these animals and ofour self, that we have
experience but we've lost it.
It still is there, the fibers,the tapestry.
I look at it like a tapestryit's still, it hasn't unwoven,
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but it's getting quite frayed.
So we have to go back to thatand that's where, if we can just
go there and trust in thattelepathic, intuitive
communication, we're going tothrive.
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Our dogs are going to thrive.
I mean, it's beautiful and it'sreally working.
I love that quote like worksmarter, not harder, and it's
not even about the work, it'sabout a way of being, so to be a
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martyr, you don't have to behard.
The more that your peoplerealize this, my clients realize
this, that so much of whatthey've been told through all
the misinformation that existsout in the dog industry and the
(40:18):
training industry and I'm sureyou experience this in your line
of work in the fitness andhealth industry it's all this
push, push, push, do this, this,this, and it's just rigid.
(40:40):
It puts so much pressure andresistance on ourselves and on
the relationship and especiallyon a free thinking animal that
is essentially like reliant onus and forced to live with us.
Most of our dogs don't chooseto live with the people they
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live with, that's true, yeah.
That's a good thing to thinkabout.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
It's an interesting thing to think about.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I don't think a lot of people want to think about
this?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, probably not.
You have to face yourself.
That's the scary part.
It's so interesting becausefirst time we talked over the
phone before this interview, Iremember I'm going to bring up
something that came to mindbecause this changed my view on
animals a little bit when Istarted to read some of Dolores
(41:39):
Cannon's work and you'refamiliar with her and she has a
series called ConvolutedUniverses.
I don't even know how manyvolumes of that is there is, but
in one of the volumes I wasreading it talked about so she
does quantum healing, or she didwhen she was alive quantum
healing hypnosis technique.
So she puts people in hypnosisand then they will recall other
(42:07):
lifetimes.
It could be further back thanwe even know that exists.
And one of the things I thoughtwas interesting in one of the
stories was this person wasrecalling a time where we have
this story of, if you know,about light workers and how
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we've come down many timesbefore to change humanity and
then somewhere along the linewe've abused the power of that
and then things didn't reallywork out very well.
So what this person wasrecalling was animals then tried
to come down.
The beings came down as animalsto teach people how to
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unconditionally love, withoutlike having to use words or
trying to teach people in theconventional way that light
workers are trying to teachpeople.
And I thought that was sointeresting that these beings
that are around us all the time,that are basically
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interdimensional beings thathave this amazing healing
ability, and just they're so andthey're just incredible
teachers for us too and we andit's like they must be so
frustrated right now, you know,or excited, I don't know, but
they've been here for a longtime trying to teach us these
(43:31):
things through their being,which is really interesting.
I thought that was sointeresting to learn about, so
it really changed my perceptionof what a relationship is to
animals, you know, and what wethink of now.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
So, yeah, I love that so much.
It just really brings homeeverything that we're talking
about.
You know, it's, it's exactlythat.
They are here not to serve us.
I mean, in essence, they areserving us, but they're here to
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teach us how we can serveourselves at the highest level,
which then also they get to bethe beneficiaries of that.
But they do it without ego,without an agenda right, without
(44:30):
something in return, and so itreally is this pure.
You know, we see Dogs that arein service, dogs that lead the
blind, dogs that serve veterans,dogs that detect epileptic
(44:51):
seizures, dogs that search andrescue, dogs that pull people
off of them, off of mountainsand, and you know, pull people
out of the sea.
I mean, you know, like, can Ikeep going?
I mean, it's like, who and whatelse is capable of doing what
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they do?
It's otherworldly, exactly whatyou're saying.
It's pure magic.
And so we get to humbleourselves and it's our
responsibility to show up in thevery best ways that we can,
(45:36):
with great awareness andsensitivity and an allowance for
them to be independent,autonomous beings.
So we're just, you know, in aweof to be able to live with them
and share.
I mean, you know just thestudies that are done with women
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that sleep with their dogs orchildren.
You know, like, the percentageof, like their REM sleep that
they get, or how much they morethey feel protected than even if
they were laying next to theirspouse, right, like I mean, it's
just the dog is there.
They feel that they, theyrevere the dog as their ultimate
(46:25):
source of comfort and security.
Children that couldn't you know, that can't read or that are,
you know, stuck in a certaindevelopmental phase, and you put
them in front of a dog or ahorse and all of a sudden, boom,
it blows it.
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Just they are self expressed,it's like, okay.
So, with all that being said,now the focus is on us.
How can we show up to the bestof our abilities to honor these
sacred beings the way that theydeserve?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
That's it.
I love that.
That's.
That's perfect.
And and I want to also pointout that you we focus a lot on
dogs, but you work with allanimals too.
It's it.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
I do.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah, I do, especially horses too, right,
yeah, yes, yes, and I've becomelike the crazy cat lady.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
It's interesting, I've really developed this
fascinating relationship withcats.
Really, yeah, yes, yeah, it'ssomething newer.
It's something new and, wow,I've been.
It's honestly, it's opening meup to this whole new, whole new
(47:55):
world.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah, yeah, well, quickly, I'd love to hear what
you're finding out about cats.
I've never, I've never.
I'm allergic to cats, so I'venever had a cat in my home or.
But I love, I love cats, I lovelooking at them.
They're beautiful, they alwaysare drawn to me, and so I just
thought I always think that'sinteresting and that's fine.
(48:19):
I'm not like afraid of cats oranything, but it's, yeah,
animals that I haven't.
I don't really have a close, asclose of a relationship as I do
with dogs, so I just I'mcurious to hear what you're
learning about cats, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
They are very like, like extreme mystical beings.
But what… it hurts me because Isee the way that our cats and
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our dogs live the environmentsthat we put them in and they
live the most hoxed lives.
My cats.
They live outside, they'recompletely outdoors.
They dig, they run up trees,they scratch, bark, they kill
rabbits and squirrels and miceand they get fed raw food.
(49:26):
They're living their primal,instinctual life.
They are living their best life.
I connect to cats all over,almost in an overwhelming that
they're suffering.
So they're suffering so acutefrom being stuck indoors.
(49:51):
They get their claws torn outso that they don't destroy
people's furniture.
They get fed biologicallyspecies inappropriate food.
They poop and pee in toxiclitter.
They get pumped up withvaccinations and flea and tick
(50:13):
preventative.
The list goes on and on and on.
This doesn't just go for cats.
This is the lives that ourdomesticated animals live.
It really is an invitation forhumans to completely up level
(50:39):
and overhaul their homeenvironment and what is being
consumed on every level, fromevery angle and every aspect.
What kind of environment are weliving in?
What?
And then, therefore, ouranimals are also in that
environment, experiencing it aswell.
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I feel like this is a wholeother podcast that there's so
much to dig into in this area.
There's a lot of pain andsuffering around, not just only
(51:25):
as humans not showing up for ouranimals in the way that they
need, but it's also the toxicityin how we infiltrate them in
every aspect of their life.
It's literally like I think inthe 70s the lifespan of a golden
(51:49):
retriever was between like 17and 20 years old.
Now it's between like eight and10.
Oh, really, I did not know that.
Yeah, that's just one sliver.
It's one example of what'sgoing on.
(52:09):
How should be living into their30s saying with cats Everybody
wants longevity and vitality fortheir animals.
How do we do that?
What do we need to do to createthat, to manifest that?
(52:32):
I mean, there's a blueprint,for sure.
But the most important thing toset our awareness on now is
what are we feeding our animals?
What kind of a vet do we go to?
How many vaccinations yearlyare we giving our animals?
(52:53):
What kind of preventativemedication are we giving them,
and do we need to be doing that,and what kinds are the best?
What is the least damning ontheir systems?
What kind of products do we useto clean our home?
What kind of products do we useto clean our animals?
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What do we use on our lawns?
What kind of water are wedrinking?
What kind of animals just gettap?
Speaker 1 (53:32):
water.
That's true.
I give my dog structured water.
I started doing that recentlywhen I got this structured water
device Because I poured it intomy plants and they were
thriving.
I was like, of course, yes,it's just thinking about it's
(53:54):
actually, and I honestly think,sasha, if someone isn't doing
that for themselves, it's goingto be hard for them to do it for
their animals.
So it's like you have to startdoing that for you first.
How are you taking the steps tobe healthy?
And then you extend that, ofcourse, to your animal, and
(54:15):
obviously, like animals, I hopeyou and I know that they should
be eating raw meat.
They're meant to eat whatthey're going to find in the
wild and that's going to beideal.
But a lot of this food thatdogs and cats eat is very highly
processed, much like humans areeating right now, and this is a
whole other topic too.
(54:37):
It's like they're presentingwith all these human diseases
now.
I can't even it's unfathomableto me to see pets with cancer
and having to go to radiationand chemo treatments.
I'm like what is happeningright now?
This is nuts, it's just crazyyeah.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yeah, and it's interesting, allison, I've had a
lot of clients over the yearscompletely transform their
personal health by way of doingit for their dog first.
Yet another beautiful gift.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Absolutely.
That is a great way to do ittoo.
I love that.
Yes, yes, I love it.
Well, I'm like, yeah, and I'min a lot of peace.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Oh sorry, I can keep going.
No, go ahead, no, no pleasekeep going, yeah, yeah.
Well, a lot of the, as you said,the conditions and disease,
this disease that we're seeingin our animals.
Of course we can correlate thatdirectly with their diet and
their environment and everythingthat they consume.
(55:53):
But then we're also looking atthe stress, the high, stressful
environments that they areexposed to in direct
relationship with their humans,and that's where we're seeing
the leading killers of dogs are,I mean, I am, diabetes and
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cancer and, as you said, everysingle kind of human cancer
we're seeing now in dogs.
And so you know, this iswithout going down a whole other
rabbit hole of genetics andepigenetics and you know
(56:36):
physical conditions that arecaused by unresolved traumas and
generational, you know,dysfunction and whatnot.
But ultimately we are giving,we are infusing our dogs with
our disease, and that's whywe're seeing all of these human
(57:04):
like.
What we typically know of islike, oh, dogs don't get that,
but humans do, but now they are.
So it's not just about changingthe food, changing the
environment changing.
It's about changing theenvironment from a psychological
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and a behavioral and anemotional standpoint, just all
of these factors weavingtogether to make a masterpiece
right?
That's what this is about, andif we leave one of those aspects
, one of those components out ofour blueprint.
(57:48):
We're missing out, yeah, we'remissing out for our dogs, our
animals and for ourselves.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
It's a holistic view point of it.
Yeah, I wanted to Do you have acouple, five or ten more
minutes I do.
Okay, great, because I wantedto share a story about my dog.
I had a dog before that almostlooked exactly like the dog I
(58:19):
have now.
I had a dream one night thiswas after my other dog, cooper,
had passed away and had a dreamone night that this dog was
running full force up to me andjumped up into my arms.
I was like, oh, that's Cooper,is that Cooper?
I wasn't sure.
And not too long after that myhusband's like I really want
(58:45):
another dog, let's get anotherdog.
And I'm like, okay, sure, andso we went to adopt a dog.
There's an organization inPortland that takes dogs off the
street, gives them a new home,from Mexico, and then you can
(59:07):
adopt those dogs.
And Cooper was a Chawini iswhat we called him, because we
weren't really sure.
He's a different breed mixed in.
So this dog we saw a picture ofthis dog and it looked bigger
than he is In person.
(59:28):
It looked like a completelydifferent dog.
It was really weird.
And then when we go to meet him, he looks almost exactly like
Cooper and the other thing is,he had some kind of infection in
his eye, so they had taken hiseye out before we got him, so he
only has one eye, but he is sospecial and it was really
(59:51):
interesting that I feel like Ireally feel like I saw him in my
dreams.
He came to me in my dreamsbefore real life, because it was
weird, because we saw thispicture and we're like, yeah,
we're going to adopt him, but itwasn't the same dog in the
picture, which was reallyinteresting, so he wanted to.
I feel like he was meant to bein our lives and he's just been
(01:00:14):
such a special, special animalin our lives ever since.
I mean, he's really incredible.
And, yeah, I just feel likethere is this, this, this
connection if we can really payattention that it transcends all
of these dogmatic beliefs, soto speak that we are learned,
(01:00:36):
that we get you know that we, welearn in our society about dogs
, and so I just thought that wasreally interesting.
And I also want to point out tomy audience that what I'm
picking up with you, sasha, is,as you share, what you have
learned about animals.
These aren't judgments aboutwhat other people are doing.
(01:00:57):
It's what you are picking upfrom what the animals are
communicating to you.
And so we can all do this right.
We can all do this.
If you just feel into yourheart and you can, you can start
picking up on those telepathiccommunications too, just like
you do when you live withsomeone, like a partner, for so
(01:01:18):
long.
You can almost guess what theirthoughts are.
You know in that moment, likeour husband, my husband and I
have that kind of relationship.
It's really interesting, and sothat can be the same way with I
just said pets again, didn't I?
That can be the same thing withyour animals, yeah, so I'm
learning too.
Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
That's beautiful.
That's such a beautiful story.
Oh my gosh, I got I got thefull body chills hearing that
and and I just want to quicklytouch on it because, as I said
earlier, you know, our dogs arestuck with us right, for better
or for worse.
There are.
(01:01:59):
I have encountered personallyand with you and with others,
many others over the years,stories of these very deep soul
connections and bonds, and Ialways have a pack, a big pack,
(01:02:23):
and I feel like I've had some ofthe most incredible animals in
my life and teachers, and I feelthat when the new ones come in,
they are gifts from the onesthat are have passed on in a
physical world but are everpresent and more closely linked
(01:02:47):
and connected to me than ever.
I believe in the ones they'vepassed on.
I almost sounds kind of strangefor some, maybe not for me,
maybe not for you, but I feeleven a deeper connection with
their spirit once they'vetranscended.
But I absolutely know, withoutquestion I got the validation
(01:03:12):
that that dog was a gift from.
Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Cooper.
Yeah, cooper was with us for 20years Wow see, that's beautiful
.
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
And Adam is the one who came in, so he came in with
that name, which I thought wasso cute.
It is, it, is it is adorable.
Yeah, and we love him so much.
So, yeah, that makes sense.
Oh my God, and it almost.
It's funny because thatresonates.
I get the goosebumps when yousay that, because he looks
(01:03:46):
almost just like Cooper.
So it's like, of course it's agift from Cooper, right yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Yeah, and even noticing too the nuance, the
difference I know when I've beenjust reunited with a soul, a
canine soul, in this lifetime.
As a matter of fact, I have onethat's sleeping right behind me
100%.
(01:04:13):
This dog and I have beentogether for many lifetimes, but
there's that presence, thatkind of connection.
And then there are the dogsthat I know are reincarnated.
Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
They're coming back.
They're coming back as anotherdog, even as different human
features in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
It's yeah again a whole other podcast.
Oh my God, we'll have to dothis again, so you can talk
about that.
That sounds really interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
It is it is.
Yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Oh, my God, yes absolutely Alison.
Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Everybody can access this, Everybody can do it.
It's just.
All it takes is an awarenessand an openness and a
willingness and a desire, and italso takes a level of will and
(01:05:16):
discipline because we have toevaporate.
Most people have very deeplycodependent relationships with
their dogs.
I mean, we're literallybreeding dogs that we want to be
codependent with.
That's the whole nature ofdoodle.
Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
That's so true, I didn't even think about it like
that.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Yeah, that's the doodle breed is that we're
breeding animals to look and actlike teddy bears.
But what's a teddy bear to achild?
Something that they can cry on,that they can smother, that
they can fall asleep with, thatthey can lay all of their
(01:06:04):
emotional burden on, theircomfort, their security?
Now imagine how overwhelmingand what a burden that causes, I
mean that is for the dog.
Imagine how much stress thatputs on the dog.
(01:06:26):
Going back to this idea ofbalance, we need to ensure that
both species have their needsmet and are balanced and
harmonious in this profoundpartnership.
Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
That's lovely.
Thank you so much, sasha, and Iwould love for you to leave my
audience with a way to get intouch with you if they want to
work with you.
This has been such a beautifulconversation, so thank you so
much for being here and sharingyour wisdom.
Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Thank you.
I love connecting with you and,of course, always talking about
this.
You can find me at my website,caninestateofmindcom, and that's
canine spelled out C-A-N-I-N-Ecaninestateofmindcom.
(01:07:30):
And then I'm also on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Wonderful.
Thank you so much.
And, oh my gosh, we're going todo this again.
We're going to have a part two.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Yes, yes, we will.
Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
We will Volume one, that's right, because there's
more to talk about.
Wow, we just opened up so much.
So thank you, sasha, and yeah,thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Thank you, Allison.
Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Thanks for having me on the show.
Yeah Nice, so much fun.
Your life is your greatest work of art.
It all relates back to thesickness of the past.
Welcome to Integrate Yourself,everybody.
I'm your host, Alison Pillow,and you can find me at
FinallyThrivingProgramcom andAlisonPillowcom.
Today I'm here with a veryspecial guest, Sasha Armstrong.
(00:24):
She is founder of Canine Stateof Mind and a renowned Canine
behaviorist and dog shaman.
She's an industry leader andinnovator who optimizes the
human-to-Canine relationshipthrough her proprietary process,
the inner alpha method.
Serving as an experiencededucator, she guides us into
(00:45):
more intimate, holistic andnatural relationship with our
canines by helping us embody theessence of an alpha.
Sasha, thank you so much forcoming on the show.
I'm so excited you're heretoday.
We're going to have so much funtalking about our pets and
animals in general, because Ihaven't really had this on my
(01:05):
show yet, this topic.
I think it's really importantbecause our relationship with
our animals really is whatbrings us in, in a way, to the
present moment in our lives.
It also teaches us how to loveunconditionally.
In many ways, I think this isan important topic for people to
bring in as it relates tohealth and wellness and their,
(01:26):
of course, well-being.
Thank you for coming to theshow.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's an honor to be here, Alison.
It's a profound gift that wehave to be in connection with
animals.
Yeah, they teach us so muchright.
The gifts are endless andlimitless.
(01:52):
It's our time as humans tostart giving back to them.
It's time to really create ashift in the way that we
understand them for exactly whoand what they are.
(02:13):
Right when we talk about dogsspecifically, of course, I find
that everybody is very aware ofthe beauties and the magic and
the gifts that our dogs give tous.
I think that even then, there'sso much more that we're not
(02:36):
aware of.
Right, there's so much more toexplore in that relationship and
by truly taking ourselves andour human wants and needs
outside of what we think ourdogs are experiencing, living so
(02:56):
closely with us is ultimatelywhat returns the gifts that they
give to us.
So by us removing our humannessfrom the relationship, we're
actually able to step into themost magnificent role and
(03:19):
presence with our animals.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, yeah.
So by humanness, I'm guessingyou're meaning, like, our human
projections, our humanpreferences, our emotional
preferences, how we feel safeand secure ourselves.
Many of us project that ontoour pets, right?
Is that what you're sayingabout that Exactly?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Exactly and even looking at how we speak of them.
This is something where I talka lot in my work and with
clients.
How we verbalize, how we word,how we describe our animals and
the relationship that we havewith them is so powerful.
(04:03):
Word holds a lot of power andso when we use words like they
are our pets, or we are theirowners or their masters, or the
dog needs to be trained orcurved or controlled, well, this
(04:24):
does a huge disservice to therelationship to the animal that
we adore so much and it almosttakes on a minimizing or a
demeaning approach.
So, as we think about the waythat we speak, the way that we
(04:46):
verbally acknowledge our animalsand the relationship that
actually defines it, it's whatcreates it.
So I invite everybody and when Isay everybody, it's because
we're programmed we don't eventhink about how we refer to our
animals.
Everybody says train your dog.
(05:08):
The dog's the owner, they areour pets.
So we really have to bring amindfulness and awareness around
that so that we can startmolding and shaping and creating
the relationship to exactlywhat we ideally want it to be.
(05:30):
And it starts really.
It starts there because itholds so much energy, and the
energy is the language that wespeak first and foremost, and
it's the language that animalsspeak first and foremost, and
that's where we come together inthat universal way.
(05:50):
Right, that we all that'ssomething that we all have in
common is that we communicatethrough our energy.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Absolutely.
Yeah, that really resonateswith me because what I hear you
saying is you're setting theenergy tone with your and the
relationship of that energy withyour.
We used to call our pets ourcompanions right Years ago, and
that term isn't used as muchanymore.
Yeah, yeah, it's true.
(06:21):
Yeah, you.
Just you just sparked that inme.
I was like, wow, yeah, that's,we really don't use that term
anymore.
That's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, Well and even more Allison.
It's.
It's a testament to how, in myperspective, we have not evolved
in our relationship withanimals, but we have grown more
and more disconnected fromnature and from the teachings
(06:55):
and the connection that we gainfrom animals.
And currently, sadly, which iswhat I hope, to lead a movement
to change, and that's what we'redoing is to reconnect and
(07:17):
remember that divine union, theregarding animals as the
grandmaster teachers that theyare.
We don't own them, we're nothere to train them.
If anything, we're here to bein humble observation of the
(07:37):
masterful teacher teachings thatthey have to teach us.
So, right now, it's it's veryreverse and we need to bring the
relationship, bring the dynamicback into a balanced state,
(07:59):
because we have been inpartnership with canines for 25,
30,000 years, maybe longer.
Right, this is an ancient,profound, deeply.
I think it is the deepestrelationship and connection, the
most powerful, that humansexperience, because it takes us
(08:25):
to a spiritual, source-connectedway of being that we otherwise
lose track of and getdisconnected from in our day to
day kind of unconscious survival.
(08:46):
So, yeah, it's such a profoundrelationship and it always, just
, you know, just inspires mebeyond to talk about it Every
time I talk about it.
I get emotional, I get full bodychills.
(09:07):
It's like it's just sobeautiful.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's.
It's so interesting what you'resaying, sasha, because, yeah,
we have had this relationshipwith animals for so long and I
think part of it is that we havelost or disconnected from the
energy of ourselves, right?
So therefore, it's going to behard to connect with the energy
(09:33):
of other beings when we're, whenwe're in that state, and so it
almost seems like you're notjust working with the animal,
you're also working with theperson in the relationship there
and the interdependence withthat relationship.
And the other thing that cameup as you were talking was the
(09:53):
word intelligence and naturalintelligence.
And what we tend to think ofisn't as intelligence in our
society is something that comesfrom the brain, something that
is is learned or gone to.
We go to school forintelligence, but really natural
intelligence is found in nature, it's found in animals, and if
we can slow down to even feelinto that, that's going to be
(10:19):
different than what we havelearned.
Intelligence is, it's going tobe, it's going to open us up to
a whole new world, right?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Completely yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So I want to.
I want to get back to whatsomething we were talking about
before, which is you weretelling me that you were.
You got to a place where youjust were so emotionally
invested in your work.
You had to take a step back,and I would love to hear more
about that, because I'veexperienced that in the fitness
(10:54):
industry.
I was really getting frustratedat one point where I was kind
of I felt like I was going overthe same thing over and over
again and it just wasn'tsticking or landing with people
and it was starting to get alittle bit frustrating in some
ways, and so I had to take astep back and kind of separate
myself from being in it so muchand identifying with this you
(11:18):
know, being this person who's afitness trainer and helping
people with their health andwellness and take a step back
and look and see okay, there ismy center point in all of this
and what is really happening.
So I would love to hear yourexperience with what you're
doing as well and how you didthat.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So I've been doing my work since I was a child and I
have gotten to numerous pointsthroughout my journey where
exactly my emotional investmentand commitment to creating the
(12:06):
most optimized existenceexperience for dogs and their
humans.
It became so draining for me tosee that people and this kind
of goes back to where we'recurrently at in the state of
affairs with our animals, wherewe are at in relationship with
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them, which, of course, is agreater reflection of what's
going on with the disconnectionthat we have with ourselves.
Is that the unwillingness andresistance that I was met with
for people to look at how theyshow up, take accountability and
(12:54):
start to be a certain way.
That required stepping outsideof what was easy for them, even
if that meant that theycompromised the quality of life
of the animal that they calltheir best friend.
(13:15):
So throughout my process, I hadto step back and recalibrate
and take what I now think of asa sabbatical.
I really had to take time awayto disconnect and work and
(13:37):
recalibrate in order to comeback and reconnect in a way that
truly, as you just said alittle bit ago, that I can show
up for my human clients the bestversion of myself, because
ultimately, ali, algae Flightofueprints when we want to
(14:01):
transform and create the bestpossible relationship with our
dogs, it has nothing to do withthem, it has nothing to do with
changing their behavior orcorrecting anything or fixing
anything.
It all comes back to us always.
(14:24):
What I'm finding now is a moreexpansive openness and a
different vibration, that moreand more people are starting to
step into something deeper andmore meaningful and they're
starting to see that theoutdated, old ways of being
(14:52):
don't work.
Not only do they not work,they're not functional.
They don't help us to createdream affirmative relationships
with ourselves, with the peoplearound us, our family and, of
course, our animals.
I'm seeing this now more thanever, that openness, that
(15:13):
willingness, and it's veryinspiring and it's very exciting
for me After all these years.
Right, and I always laugh it'slike you know, I've been doing
my work for 25 years in thislifetime, but that doesn't
include all the lifetimes before.
(15:33):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, you kind of arrived with a purpose here,
knowing what you're going to bedoing and stepping into.
We talked also before the showstarted about how this is a
different time.
2024 is going to be more ofthat kind of energy coming in
and people stepping into theseroles that we've been working on
(15:59):
for so long and it's been sohard and frustrating in the past
and now it's going to, I feel,going to become easier Because
people's consciousness is rising.
We are, I think, people as awhole, even if they're not
trying that hard.
It's happening naturally justbecause of the earth changes
that are happening and the solarflares and all of these things
(16:24):
that we're connected to.
We don't realize we'reconnected to and how
interdependent that is as well,so that's really good news.
So I think that's part of whywe're going to be looking at our
animals differently too, in awhole new relationship as well.
Like you say, are you finding itstill challenging to get people
(16:45):
out of that training my animalor my pet mindset into having a
different kind of relationshipwith the animal?
Because a lot of people youknow I see this on the trail all
the time People really try tocontrol their dog or they get
really anxious with their dog asanother dog goes by, and I'm
(17:06):
seeing this happen more and moreover the years, and it's so
interesting to me because Ithink, you know, many people
personalize their dog so muchit's like they become their
child, you know, and we can getinto the conversation of that
too.
With children it's a similarthing, but I think it's about
control, and so maybe you canget into that aspect and what
(17:30):
you're seeing and then thattrend and what you're doing to
help people with that as well.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I would say it is very challenging for people to
let go of the control and let goof these very programmed ways
of and really miss amisperception it's.
(18:07):
I think most people don't evenunderstand where they got what
they've gotten in regards to howthey relate to their dog or how
they speak of it.
But because the dog's presencein our life is so deep, it's so
(18:28):
present, a dog is a reflectionof us, yeah, and what we think
and how we feel, and ourwounding and our small ego,
right.
So, as what is behind control,the need to control fear, a fear
(18:54):
of not being able to be this orthat or that something bad is
going to happen, or that our egois bruised or all of the things
, and the dog is the extensionof that.
And so again, it goes back toif we are not full and actively
(19:18):
working to develop ourselves andtake charge of ourselves and be
the masters of ourselves, thenultimately that dysfunction and
imbalance will be taken out andprojected onto the dog.
And the dog, as I say, forbetter or for worse, is stuck
(19:43):
with the human Right.
People don't really want tothink about that.
They have a perception and abelief that their dog loves them
.
I would disagree, and that'snot my opinion.
It's what the dogs tell me,right?
So I want to get into that howyou communicate with them too.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, that was beautiful.
I love that because I've alwaysthink of animals as energy
receivers.
They receive our energy, theytake it and they absorb it.
They sometimes absorb a lot ofnegative energy from people as
well, but they're it's such a,they are a gift in that way, as
you were talking.
It just got me thinking abouthow much, what a gift they are
(20:29):
as a reflection for us, if wecan see that in our lives.
Right, and they are, it's true,unconditional love in so many
ways, because they're notjudging it, they're just taking
it in for you.
You know, it's so interesting.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Well, when you think about it, the vast majority of
the dog training industry isaround tactics and tricks and
obedience techniques that onlyexacerbate a disconnection and a
stress, anxiety, nervousresponse from the animal.
(21:12):
So all of my clients, I wouldsay, have gone that route right,
only to spiral down the funnelof dysfunction and
dissatisfaction Right.
And so they.
They come to me and when westart actually aligning what is
(21:35):
most important, which is thehuman thoughts and the humans
energy, we actually never evenhave to do anything to address
the dog's behavior.
It all comes in to properalignment Because dogs are
(21:56):
divine channels from source.
They are pure, right.
They don't have goes.
They don't have, you knowthey're.
They don't have desires andagendas.
You know their.
Their existence is about beingsuccessful and surviving and
carrying on lineage.
(22:17):
That is their purpose.
Nothing more, nothing less,right.
So when we, when we create thisfoundational, when we start
really addressing, as you talkedabout this, this conduit, like
(22:38):
we're, we are everything thatgoes on within us the dog is
experiencing unfold.
So to be going outside ofourselves and to put the energy
and the focus on how the dogneeds to be different or how the
(23:00):
dog needs to show up this wayand the dog needs to be obedient
and the dog needs to do this.
We're completely losing sightand focus of the most important
component and ingredient for theharmonious nature of that
(23:20):
relationship.
It will never be that if ourfocus is outside of ourselves
and quite frankly that appliesto any area and aspect of a
human's life Right, and we're.
We're always looking for thefix, we're always looking for
the pill, we're looking for thenext craze and fad.
(23:42):
When you know to to solve the,you know the void, to heal the
void and and the wounding, when,ultimately, everything that is
inside of us, we have everythingthat we need inside of us, and
so my clients that really startto go in and they start to
(24:06):
explore their inner world andthe inner mechanics of how they
show up.
It's like that the dog is likeready and waiting and willing to
start.
I mean, they're just, they'rejust there, ready, ready to
respond.
They're just literally likewaiting for the human to get it
(24:28):
together.
Come on now.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
When's it going to happen?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So that's that's with such patience and grace.
However, we also are dealingwith relationships that are
pretty dysfunctional and brokendown.
I talk to a lot of people everyday.
I get really an overwhelmingreach out from dog parents
(25:08):
across the globe that aresuffering.
They're disempowered todiffering degrees within their
relationship, and so we have tounderstand that something needs
to be.
The approach needs to bedifferent, right, and we really
(25:28):
need to start Happing into this,this paradigm shift right where
we're letting go of the stuffthat once was, that never had a
function, and it definitelydoesn't now.
So it's really exciting thatpeople are Stepping into this
(25:51):
whole new world because,ultimately, their lives change
for the greater good, along witheverybody that comes in contact
with them.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I love that.
Yes, that makes so much senseto me too.
But, yeah, it's until someonebrings that out for you to think
about it like that, it's, it's,it's hidden, right, it's hidden
.
But I want to get also intosomething you mentioned earlier
about the animals will tell aretelling you something different,
(26:23):
right, you say it's not comingfrom you, it's coming from the
animals.
I want to really hear moreabout how you communicate with
the, with the animals, because Ithink that's so fascinating.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I would love to talk about it.
It's one of my favoritefavorite topics.
So you said it earlier, allison.
There's so much of our bondwith our dogs, so so much time
has spent in relationship withdogs, humanly projecting onto
(27:03):
them right?
So it would literally, allison,be like me saying, or me
feeling, a certain way about youand regardless of what was
going on for you, how you feltabout me, I would already have
assumed and expect andabsolutely know that you feel
(27:26):
the same way about me because ofhow I feel about you.
So I would say that it's one ofthe most crucial.
If there's anything that I canrole and inspire humans to do,
(27:49):
is to step outside of themselvesand learn how to listen and
maybe be okay with the fact thatour dogs don't love us.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
As much as we think we do right.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
They teach us unconditional love, but that's
acceptance.
So for me, you might notunconditionally love someone or
something, but from the teachingof the dog, it's an acceptance
of what is, and dogs don't knowhow to be anything other than
(28:39):
that.
It's hardwired into them as aspecies, it's in their way of
being, and so we translate itand perceive it as one thing,
but for them it's totallydifferent.
They don't feel it or see itlike we do.
(29:01):
I see that this humanprojection is definitely one of
the most dysfunctional aspectsof the human-to-canine
relationship.
To allow our dogs to be who andwhat they are, as autonomous
(29:28):
beings, honoring and respectingtheir language and their space,
is exactly what they need.
It's not a desire or a want,it's a need.
It's a need when we can providethat to our dogs.
That's when we see them shine.
(29:51):
That's when we see the idealversions, the optimized versions
of our dogs emerge and bepresent all the time, and I
don't see many dogs that havethe opportunity to shine.
(30:13):
Most clients haven't even seenthe ideal, true spirit of their
dogs because it's shadowed andburdened down by stress and
anxiety and nervousness.
(30:35):
And we as the humans, with allof the best intentions I believe
that most humans have all ofthe best intentions for our dogs
, it doesn't mean that theyunderstand their dogs for who
(30:56):
and what they are and thatthey're able to take actual
steps and show up in a way everyday that honors that.
So how do we and again, this isnot my opinion right, this is
(31:20):
not something that I made up,this is coming straight from the
wolf's mouth, right?
So that's what our dogs needfrom us.
Now, how do we do that?
How do we provide the bestpossible life experience, the
(31:42):
most harmonized experience withour dogs, allowing them to
believe in trust in us as theirleaders?
Well, we first have tounderstand them.
We have to learn how to speaktheir language.
We have to make sure that we'redoing the work on ourselves so
(32:04):
that we can regulate our nervoussystem.
Canine picks up a human pulserate 100 times more intensely
than we feel it ourselves.
They detect epileptic seizures24 hours before they happen.
They can sniff out any kind ofcancer known to man.
These animals and their sensorysystems and abilities to path
(32:24):
any kind of human technology bylight years.
So we need to be in humbleappreciation of them.
So these are the ways that wecan start showing up for them,
and a lot of times, what thatactually looks like is that we
(32:45):
have to set our codependenthuman emotional needs aside in
order to meet our dogs, because,ultimately, we want them to
thrive, we want them to trust us, because what comes way before
love, what do you have to havebefore love?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Trust yes.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
And I don't see many dogs that trust their humans.
In fact I see the opposite.
I see animals that have takenon a job description within
their relationship with theirhuman that must be fulfilled.
But a dog is not capable offulfilling a leadership role in
(33:38):
a world that they don'tunderstand.
But somebody has to do it inorder for the pack to be
successful and survive and forthe lineage, the bloodlines, to
carry on.
Remember, that's their goal,that's surprise, that's what
(33:59):
they live for.
So when our dogs take on thisrole because they know they're
not fit for it, it causes such asense of this regulation and
stress and anxiety andnervousness and it shows up and
(34:19):
manifests in all of the manyways.
I'm sure even at times you'veseen it show up with your dog.
Everybody deals with it.
This is not specific or uniqueto individual people.
All dogs are dealing with thisacross the board and it
manifests in different ways andit expresses itself to differing
(34:44):
degrees of intensity.
So fulfilling this mostimportant, essential role in our
relationship with our dogs isthe golden expression of love.
It's the greatest gift that wecan give to them.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I love that.
Oh man, yeah, yeah.
So there's such a gift and inmany ways that we don't even
realize they're teaching us howto unconditionally love, if we
can pay attention to that, andit sounds like the journey
really is coming back toyourself and doing the inner
work and there's teaching usthat as well.
(35:30):
That's so interesting and I'mguessing that and thank you for
that was beautiful.
I just love how you expressedthat and articulated that, your
experience and how youcommunicate with animals, and I
was just curious, like I'm justcurious, are you and I feel this
(35:52):
too like we all probablyexperience a telepathic
communication, whether pets arefeeling right, but we sometimes
don't always pay attention to itor give much merit to it.
But that is what I feel like ishappening.
Hmm, Completely.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Isn't it funny right there, allison, did you catch
yourself saying pet?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Oh, I did, I didn't even notice.
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
There we go.
So that's so.
Obviously this takes such a aswe speak, because what we speak
we become, and so that awarenessit's like we have to start.
It's like creating a newpattern, a new behavior, right,
it's so.
It's wild how we just like,unconsciously, these are the
(36:43):
words that we use, right, it'salmost.
You know, I mean, it's almostlike saying it's like a negative
self talk, like if you caughtyourself, right, oh, allison,
don't do that.
Or, you know, it's like it'sjust going to like, almost like,
exacerbate and continue thatthought pattern and then it
(37:04):
becomes something more.
So it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
That's yeah.
I need to be attention to thatfor sure now, absolutely, and
you will.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, and you will.
And I love that you touch onthis telepathic communication,
because that is the intuition,that's our higher self, that is
the heart, coherent space, right, that is where we can, when we
(37:39):
can communicate through ourheart centered energy, which
then is connected to our brain.
Obviously, our heart is thebiggest brain, the smartest
brain, and when this getsconnected, we don't have to say
(38:00):
words, we don't have to control,we don't have to manipulate, we
don't have to correct, wecorrect, we don't have to fix,
we don't have to micromanage andconstantly be involved in
helicoptering and hands on.
And I mean this is what we dowith our animals.
(38:21):
And when people realize thatthey can communicate with their
dog from a heart centered,energetic, telepathic, intuitive
space, that is flow space, thatis remembering what it was,
(38:45):
that's going back into thesacred divine connection, the
honoring of these animals and ofour self, that we have
experience but we've lost it.
It still is there, the fibers,the tapestry.
I look at it like a tapestryit's still, it hasn't unwoven,
(39:10):
but it's getting quite frayed.
So we have to go back to thatand that's where, if we can just
go there and trust in thattelepathic, intuitive
communication, we're going tothrive.
(39:35):
Our dogs are going to thrive.
I mean, it's beautiful and it'sreally working.
I love that quote like worksmarter, not harder, and it's
not even about the work, it'sabout a way of being, so to be a
(39:56):
martyr, you don't have to behard.
The more that your peoplerealize this, my clients realize
this, that so much of whatthey've been told through all
the misinformation that existsout in the dog industry and the
(40:18):
training industry and I'm sureyou experience this in your line
of work in the fitness andhealth industry it's all this
push, push, push, do this, this,this, and it's just rigid.
(40:40):
It puts so much pressure andresistance on ourselves and on
the relationship and especiallyon a free thinking animal that
is essentially like reliant onus and forced to live with us.
Most of our dogs don't chooseto live with the people they
(41:07):
live with, that's true, yeah.
That's a good thing to thinkabout.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
It's an interesting thing to think about.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I don't think a lot of people want to think about
this?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, probably not.
You have to face yourself.
That's the scary part.
It's so interesting becausefirst time we talked over the
phone before this interview, Iremember I'm going to bring up
something that came to mindbecause this changed my view on
animals a little bit when Istarted to read some of Dolores
(41:39):
Cannon's work and you'refamiliar with her and she has a
series called ConvolutedUniverses.
I don't even know how manyvolumes of that is there is, but
in one of the volumes I wasreading it talked about so she
does quantum healing, or she didwhen she was alive quantum
healing hypnosis technique.
So she puts people in hypnosisand then they will recall other
(42:07):
lifetimes.
It could be further back thanwe even know that exists.
And one of the things I thoughtwas interesting in one of the
stories was this person wasrecalling a time where we have
this story of, if you know,about light workers and how
(42:27):
we've come down many timesbefore to change humanity and
then somewhere along the linewe've abused the power of that
and then things didn't reallywork out very well.
So what this person wasrecalling was animals then tried
to come down.
The beings came down as animalsto teach people how to
(42:47):
unconditionally love, withoutlike having to use words or
trying to teach people in theconventional way that light
workers are trying to teachpeople.
And I thought that was sointeresting that these beings
that are around us all the time,that are basically
(43:08):
interdimensional beings thathave this amazing healing
ability, and just they're so andthey're just incredible
teachers for us too and we andit's like they must be so
frustrated right now, you know,or excited, I don't know, but
they've been here for a longtime trying to teach us these
(43:31):
things through their being,which is really interesting.
I thought that was sointeresting to learn about, so
it really changed my perceptionof what a relationship is to
animals, you know, and what wethink of now.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
So, yeah, I love that so much.
It just really brings homeeverything that we're talking
about.
You know, it's, it's exactlythat.
They are here not to serve us.
I mean, in essence, they areserving us, but they're here to
(44:10):
teach us how we can serveourselves at the highest level,
which then also they get to bethe beneficiaries of that.
But they do it without ego,without an agenda right, without
(44:30):
something in return, and so itreally is this pure.
You know, we see Dogs that arein service, dogs that lead the
blind, dogs that serve veterans,dogs that detect epileptic
(44:51):
seizures, dogs that search andrescue, dogs that pull people
off of them, off of mountainsand, and you know, pull people
out of the sea.
I mean, you know, like, can Ikeep going?
I mean, it's like, who and whatelse is capable of doing what
(45:13):
they do?
It's otherworldly, exactly whatyou're saying.
It's pure magic.
And so we get to humbleourselves and it's our
responsibility to show up in thevery best ways that we can,
(45:36):
with great awareness andsensitivity and an allowance for
them to be independent,autonomous beings.
So we're just, you know, in aweof to be able to live with them
and share.
I mean, you know just thestudies that are done with women
(46:00):
that sleep with their dogs orchildren.
You know, like, the percentageof, like their REM sleep that
they get, or how much they morethey feel protected than even if
they were laying next to theirspouse, right, like I mean, it's
just the dog is there.
They feel that they, theyrevere the dog as their ultimate
(46:25):
source of comfort and security.
Children that couldn't you know, that can't read or that are,
you know, stuck in a certaindevelopmental phase, and you put
them in front of a dog or ahorse and all of a sudden, boom,
it blows it.
(46:46):
Just they are self expressed,it's like, okay.
So, with all that being said,now the focus is on us.
How can we show up to the bestof our abilities to honor these
sacred beings the way that theydeserve?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
That's it.
I love that.
That's.
That's perfect.
And and I want to also pointout that you we focus a lot on
dogs, but you work with allanimals too.
It's it.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
I do.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah, I do, especially horses too, right,
yeah, yes, yes, and I've becomelike the crazy cat lady.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
It's interesting, I've really developed this
fascinating relationship withcats.
Really, yeah, yes, yeah, it'ssomething newer.
It's something new and, wow,I've been.
It's honestly, it's opening meup to this whole new, whole new
(47:55):
world.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah, yeah, well, quickly, I'd love to hear what
you're finding out about cats.
I've never, I've never.
I'm allergic to cats, so I'venever had a cat in my home or.
But I love, I love cats, I lovelooking at them.
They're beautiful, they alwaysare drawn to me, and so I just
thought I always think that'sinteresting and that's fine.
(48:19):
I'm not like afraid of cats oranything, but it's, yeah,
animals that I haven't.
I don't really have a close, asclose of a relationship as I do
with dogs, so I just I'mcurious to hear what you're
learning about cats, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
They are very like, like extreme mystical beings.
But what… it hurts me because Isee the way that our cats and
(49:00):
our dogs live the environmentsthat we put them in and they
live the most hoxed lives.
My cats.
They live outside, they'recompletely outdoors.
They dig, they run up trees,they scratch, bark, they kill
rabbits and squirrels and miceand they get fed raw food.
(49:26):
They're living their primal,instinctual life.
They are living their best life.
I connect to cats all over,almost in an overwhelming that
they're suffering.
So they're suffering so acutefrom being stuck indoors.
(49:51):
They get their claws torn outso that they don't destroy
people's furniture.
They get fed biologicallyspecies inappropriate food.
They poop and pee in toxiclitter.
They get pumped up withvaccinations and flea and tick
(50:13):
preventative.
The list goes on and on and on.
This doesn't just go for cats.
This is the lives that ourdomesticated animals live.
It really is an invitation forhumans to completely up level
(50:39):
and overhaul their homeenvironment and what is being
consumed on every level, fromevery angle and every aspect.
What kind of environment are weliving in?
What?
And then, therefore, ouranimals are also in that
environment, experiencing it aswell.
(51:02):
I feel like this is a wholeother podcast that there's so
much to dig into in this area.
There's a lot of pain andsuffering around, not just only
(51:25):
as humans not showing up for ouranimals in the way that they
need, but it's also the toxicityin how we infiltrate them in
every aspect of their life.
It's literally like I think inthe 70s the lifespan of a golden
(51:49):
retriever was between like 17and 20 years old.
Now it's between like eight and10.
Oh, really, I did not know that.
Yeah, that's just one sliver.
It's one example of what'sgoing on.
(52:09):
How should be living into their30s saying with cats Everybody
wants longevity and vitality fortheir animals.
How do we do that?
What do we need to do to createthat, to manifest that?
(52:32):
I mean, there's a blueprint,for sure.
But the most important thing toset our awareness on now is
what are we feeding our animals?
What kind of a vet do we go to?
How many vaccinations yearlyare we giving our animals?
(52:53):
What kind of preventativemedication are we giving them,
and do we need to be doing that,and what kinds are the best?
What is the least damning ontheir systems?
What kind of products do we useto clean our home?
What kind of products do we useto clean our animals?
(53:14):
What do we use on our lawns?
What kind of water are wedrinking?
What kind of animals just gettap?
Speaker 1 (53:32):
water.
That's true.
I give my dog structured water.
I started doing that recentlywhen I got this structured water
device Because I poured it intomy plants and they were
thriving.
I was like, of course, yes,it's just thinking about it's
(53:54):
actually, and I honestly think,sasha, if someone isn't doing
that for themselves, it's goingto be hard for them to do it for
their animals.
So it's like you have to startdoing that for you first.
How are you taking the steps tobe healthy?
And then you extend that, ofcourse, to your animal, and
(54:15):
obviously, like animals, I hopeyou and I know that they should
be eating raw meat.
They're meant to eat whatthey're going to find in the
wild and that's going to beideal.
But a lot of this food thatdogs and cats eat is very highly
processed, much like humans areeating right now, and this is a
whole other topic too.
(54:37):
It's like they're presentingwith all these human diseases
now.
I can't even it's unfathomableto me to see pets with cancer
and having to go to radiationand chemo treatments.
I'm like what is happeningright now?
This is nuts, it's just crazyyeah.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yeah, and it's interesting, allison, I've had a
lot of clients over the yearscompletely transform their
personal health by way of doingit for their dog first.
Yet another beautiful gift.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Absolutely.
That is a great way to do ittoo.
I love that.
Yes, yes, I love it.
Well, I'm like, yeah, and I'min a lot of peace.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Oh sorry, I can keep going.
No, go ahead, no, no pleasekeep going, yeah, yeah.
Well, a lot of the, as you said,the conditions and disease,
this disease that we're seeingin our animals.
Of course we can correlate thatdirectly with their diet and
their environment and everythingthat they consume.
(55:53):
But then we're also looking atthe stress, the high, stressful
environments that they areexposed to in direct
relationship with their humans,and that's where we're seeing
the leading killers of dogs are,I mean, I am, diabetes and
(56:15):
cancer and, as you said, everysingle kind of human cancer
we're seeing now in dogs.
And so you know, this iswithout going down a whole other
rabbit hole of genetics andepigenetics and you know
(56:36):
physical conditions that arecaused by unresolved traumas and
generational, you know,dysfunction and whatnot.
But ultimately we are giving,we are infusing our dogs with
our disease, and that's whywe're seeing all of these human
(57:04):
like.
What we typically know of islike, oh, dogs don't get that,
but humans do, but now they are.
So it's not just about changingthe food, changing the
environment changing.
It's about changing theenvironment from a psychological
(57:24):
and a behavioral and anemotional standpoint, just all
of these factors weavingtogether to make a masterpiece
right?
That's what this is about, andif we leave one of those aspects
, one of those components out ofour blueprint.
(57:48):
We're missing out, yeah, we'remissing out for our dogs, our
animals and for ourselves.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
It's a holistic view point of it.
Yeah, I wanted to Do you have acouple, five or ten more
minutes I do.
Okay, great, because I wantedto share a story about my dog.
I had a dog before that almostlooked exactly like the dog I
(58:19):
have now.
I had a dream one night thiswas after my other dog, cooper,
had passed away and had a dreamone night that this dog was
running full force up to me andjumped up into my arms.
I was like, oh, that's Cooper,is that Cooper?
I wasn't sure.
And not too long after that myhusband's like I really want
(58:45):
another dog, let's get anotherdog.
And I'm like, okay, sure, andso we went to adopt a dog.
There's an organization inPortland that takes dogs off the
street, gives them a new home,from Mexico, and then you can
(59:07):
adopt those dogs.
And Cooper was a Chawini iswhat we called him, because we
weren't really sure.
He's a different breed mixed in.
So this dog we saw a picture ofthis dog and it looked bigger
than he is In person.
(59:28):
It looked like a completelydifferent dog.
It was really weird.
And then when we go to meet him, he looks almost exactly like
Cooper and the other thing is,he had some kind of infection in
his eye, so they had taken hiseye out before we got him, so he
only has one eye, but he is sospecial and it was really
(59:51):
interesting that I feel like Ireally feel like I saw him in my
dreams.
He came to me in my dreamsbefore real life, because it was
weird, because we saw thispicture and we're like, yeah,
we're going to adopt him, but itwasn't the same dog in the
picture, which was reallyinteresting, so he wanted to.
I feel like he was meant to bein our lives and he's just been
(01:00:14):
such a special, special animalin our lives ever since.
I mean, he's really incredible.
And, yeah, I just feel likethere is this, this, this
connection if we can really payattention that it transcends all
of these dogmatic beliefs, soto speak that we are learned,
(01:00:36):
that we get you know that we, welearn in our society about dogs
, and so I just thought that wasreally interesting.
And I also want to point out tomy audience that what I'm
picking up with you, sasha, is,as you share, what you have
learned about animals.
These aren't judgments aboutwhat other people are doing.
(01:00:57):
It's what you are picking upfrom what the animals are
communicating to you.
And so we can all do this right.
We can all do this.
If you just feel into yourheart and you can, you can start
picking up on those telepathiccommunications too, just like
you do when you live withsomeone, like a partner, for so
(01:01:18):
long.
You can almost guess what theirthoughts are.
You know in that moment, likeour husband, my husband and I
have that kind of relationship.
It's really interesting, and sothat can be the same way with I
just said pets again, didn't I?
That can be the same thing withyour animals, yeah, so I'm
learning too.
Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
That's beautiful.
That's such a beautiful story.
Oh my gosh, I got I got thefull body chills hearing that
and and I just want to quicklytouch on it because, as I said
earlier, you know, our dogs arestuck with us right, for better
or for worse.
There are.
(01:01:59):
I have encountered personallyand with you and with others,
many others over the years,stories of these very deep soul
connections and bonds, and Ialways have a pack, a big pack,
(01:02:23):
and I feel like I've had some ofthe most incredible animals in
my life and teachers, and I feelthat when the new ones come in,
they are gifts from the onesthat are have passed on in a
physical world but are everpresent and more closely linked
(01:02:47):
and connected to me than ever.
I believe in the ones they'vepassed on.
I almost sounds kind of strangefor some, maybe not for me,
maybe not for you, but I feeleven a deeper connection with
their spirit once they'vetranscended.
But I absolutely know, withoutquestion I got the validation
(01:03:12):
that that dog was a gift from.
Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Cooper.
Yeah, cooper was with us for 20years Wow see, that's beautiful
.
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
And Adam is the one who came in, so he came in with
that name, which I thought wasso cute.
It is, it, is it is adorable.
Yeah, and we love him so much.
So, yeah, that makes sense.
Oh my God, and it almost.
It's funny because thatresonates.
I get the goosebumps when yousay that, because he looks
(01:03:46):
almost just like Cooper.
So it's like, of course it's agift from Cooper, right yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Yeah, and even noticing too the nuance, the
difference I know when I've beenjust reunited with a soul, a
canine soul, in this lifetime.
As a matter of fact, I have onethat's sleeping right behind me
100%.
(01:04:13):
This dog and I have beentogether for many lifetimes, but
there's that presence, thatkind of connection.
And then there are the dogsthat I know are reincarnated.
Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
They're coming back.
They're coming back as anotherdog, even as different human
features in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
It's yeah again a whole other podcast.
Oh my God, we'll have to dothis again, so you can talk
about that.
That sounds really interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
It is it is.
Yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Oh, my God, yes absolutely Alison.
Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Everybody can access this, Everybody can do it.
It's just.
All it takes is an awarenessand an openness and a
willingness and a desire, and italso takes a level of will and
(01:05:16):
discipline because we have toevaporate.
Most people have very deeplycodependent relationships with
their dogs.
I mean, we're literallybreeding dogs that we want to be
codependent with.
That's the whole nature ofdoodle.
Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
That's so true, I didn't even think about it like
that.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Yeah, that's the doodle breed is that we're
breeding animals to look and actlike teddy bears.
But what's a teddy bear to achild?
Something that they can cry on,that they can smother, that
they can fall asleep with, thatthey can lay all of their
(01:06:04):
emotional burden on, theircomfort, their security?
Now imagine how overwhelmingand what a burden that causes, I
mean that is for the dog.
Imagine how much stress thatputs on the dog.
(01:06:26):
Going back to this idea ofbalance, we need to ensure that
both species have their needsmet and are balanced and
harmonious in this profoundpartnership.
Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
That's lovely.
Thank you so much, sasha, and Iwould love for you to leave my
audience with a way to get intouch with you if they want to
work with you.
This has been such a beautifulconversation, so thank you so
much for being here and sharingyour wisdom.
Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Thank you.
I love connecting with you and,of course, always talking about
this.
You can find me at my website,caninestateofmindcom, and that's
canine spelled out C-A-N-I-N-Ecaninestateofmindcom.
(01:07:30):
And then I'm also on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Wonderful.
Thank you so much.
And, oh my gosh, we're going todo this again.
We're going to have a part two.
Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Yes, yes, we will.
Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
We will Volume one, that's right, because there's
more to talk about.
Wow, we just opened up so much.
So thank you, sasha, and yeah,thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Thank you, Allison.
Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Thanks for having me on the show.
Yeah Nice, so much fun.
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