September 9, 2025 • 48 mins
In this episode of Integrate Yourself, I sit down in person with Adam and Steven from No Easy Feet Gym. We dive into the confusing landscape of the fitness industry, the transformative impact of ATG (Athletic Truth Group) training, and what to look for in a great coach.
We also talk about the value of mentorship, coaching, and keeping curiosity alive in your own training. This conversation is full of insights for anyone looking to feel stronger, prevent injuries and find the right personal trainer or coach
We discussed:
- Our fitness formative years
- Benefits of ATG from a coaches perspective - Less myopic training vs. a more intrinsic minimalist approach
- Getting results from your workout after 50
- How to best navigate gym options and coaching when you're shopping around
- Working on the low hanging fruit first for better gains and lasting results
- The most underrated exercise you're probably not doing enough of
- The right kind of shoe wear and why it matters in your fitness routine
- As coaches we can only help our clients as much as we've helped ourselves
- The value of hiring a great coach even for other coaches
- The significance of the American garage gym experience
- What makes coaching rewarding for coaches who've been coaching for 10+ year
- What's required to be a great coach
- What to factor in when you're shopping for personal training
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome to Integrate Yourself, everybody.
I'm your host, Alison Pillow,and you can find me at
pureenergypdx.com.
Today I'm here with some veryspecial guests, Adam and Steven
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from No Easy Feet Gym.
We both have our own in-homestudios basically, so that's
really cool.
I got connected with Adamthrough the ATG coaching program
and he's phenomenal.
So is Steven.
They're both phenomenal coachesand I'm very excited to
introduce you to them and we'regoing to talk about some really,
really amazing things today.
(00:47):
All right.
So you guys, we are here at allin person, which is what I don't
normally do podcast in person.
So this is actually a real treatfor me today.
So why don't you start, Adam,introduce yourself, tell
everybody a little bit aboutyourself.
Then we'll get into some topicswe're going to talk about today.
SPEAKER_02 (01:07):
Thank you.
It's a treat for me to be here,too, because all I ever want to
do, Allison, is nerd out aboutfitness.
with other coaches, if possible.
So thanks for allowing me to behere.
I've been a coach in Portlandfull-time for 11 years, and I
run a home gym called No EasyFeet Gym in Montevilla area, but
it hasn't always been that way.
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I worked at a gym calledTraining Day before COVID, and
when COVID happened, I startedmy own show.
So I'm very honored to be doingwhat I'm doing, especially
having discovered ATG becauseI've had some serious issues
with my knee.
I've had an ACL tear and repair,and I've also I had a bucket
handle tear and repair, and thisis midway through my coaching
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career.
So discovering ATG has been agoldmine on a personal level and
on a professional level.
So being able to collaboratewith you and nerd out about
that, it's a dream come true.
SPEAKER_00 (01:58):
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
I agree 100%.
It's been so much fun nerdingout together on the ATG stuff.
It's a game changer for fitness.
I know that's such an overusedterm, game changer, but it
really is.
It's changed my entireperspective.
on fitness and the potentialthere so we're gonna we're gonna
get into more of that today butfirst let's introduce steven
SPEAKER_01 (02:21):
hello um i'm currently still working on my
level one atg coachingcertification i've been in the
exercise program here for alittle over a year but yeah i
remember when adam first foundatg and we were doing kind of
our own like zoom trainingsessions with very minimal at
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home equipment like I've justI've seen what it's done for him
and in the past I couldn't youknow I had a very busy work life
but lately in the last year I'vebeen kind of devoting everything
to this so it's been a cooljourney
SPEAKER_02 (02:59):
yeah I feel like I'm still on my way to Mordor in a
positive way
SPEAKER_00 (03:04):
oh yes for sure for sure yeah it's uh it's
interesting you guys and I'venoticed you guys bring such a
different energy into fitnessit's fun in a way where you're
you're actually meeting yourgoals you're getting the things
done you really want to get donebut you're also exploring that
right it's like an a really funexploration and you help people
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dive into their curiosity aroundwhat their potential is there so
um kudos to you guys i'm sohappy that we connected i mean
it's been amazing so
SPEAKER_02 (03:38):
i'm nodding my head vigorously over here nodding my
head vigorously the whole time
SPEAKER_00 (03:42):
let's talk about uh some of the Some of the things
we're going to talk about today,which is first one is navigating
the fitness industry.
Talked about how confusing it isfor people to figure out what's
ideal for them.
We're going to go over thebenefits, coaching styles and
all that.
So how do you want to start thatone off,
SPEAKER_02 (04:05):
Adam?
Yeah, it is.
If you
SPEAKER_00 (04:26):
think about our fitness history, we've been
through so many differentphases, right?
I know I have.
And even as a fitnessprofessional for over 20 years,
there's still so much to learn.
I mean, I feel so humbled bythis entire experience, quite
honestly.
And it's really brought about ana childlike wonder to me from
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both me and my clients.
I think that there are so many,it's marketing really.
There's so many fitness methodsout there and corporations, you
know, you've got Orange Theory,you've got CrossFit, I don't
know.
Big box gyms.
Big box gyms, exactly.
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They're all saying, okay, thisis the exact way you should
exercise.
And this is going to get you toyour goals.
It's going to get you fit.
I think the biggest thing onpeople's mind is losing weight,
right?
You know, there's this thingI've been thinking about a lot
lately is body recomposition.
And I think it's somethingthat's really misunderstood.
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And I've even misunderstood itin the past.
But I think people just thinkthat they need to burn
everything off.
But I think part ofunderstanding, like part of what
we're talking about here, why itgets so confusing is because
people don't understand whatthey really need, right?
They don't understand how toidentify that.
SPEAKER_02 (05:46):
Yeah, I think it's like maybe what you think you
need versus kind of what youknow you need.
And I think that for a lot ofpeople, they have to kind of
find it out experientially.
And I know for me personally, Idefinitely had to find out
experientially through lots ofkind of dead ends.
And I think for me, one of myfirst forays into fitness was
doing a lot of running andalmost no cross training.
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Kind of my college years, I wasdoing a ton of I would go to the
gym and I would spend a And Iwould also do a lot of running
and kind of wonder why my bodycomposition wasn't where I
wanted it to be.
My strength and ability kind ofwasn't where I wanted it to be.
But I've had a crazy formativeexperience being a gym member at
big box gyms, boutique gyms,doing like HIIT CrossFit style
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gyms.
I've done all of them.
And I think that it took kind ofgoing through all those stages
to learn more about what youwere talking about, which is.
your body comp matters so muchbecause your body composition
ultimately is your destiny.
It's your metabolism.
It's your energy.
It's your vitality, your abilityto gain and maintain lean muscle
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mass and connective tissuehealth.
All those different things areso important.
So ATG, you know, is such awonderful conglomeration of so
many of these benefits of,again, people want to have a
healthy body composition.
And so much of ATG is aboutmaintaining And of course, like
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throughout all that.
Getting into positions that aredifficult and challenging and
having those things start tobecome easier and easier and
really seeing this like thisability benefit that comes
alongside the body compositionbenefit, which is, I think, kind
of a rare proposition is likeI'm feeling better.
I have more vitality.
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My body composition is closer towhere I want it to be.
And as a side effect of a lot ofthis stuff, my abilities have
grown and progressed.
And I think it's it's been thiswonderful journey for me.
Coming back to the style oflifting that is very intrinsic
and very almost like prettyminimalistic after having, you
know, done lots of machines andlots of kind of more myopic
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styles of fitness that onlyfocus or home in on just one
aspect of fitness.
I feel like this is just awonderful place to have arrived
to.
SPEAKER_00 (08:11):
Yeah.
And it's like all thesedifferent fitness regimens and
options or they're not bad.
I mean, there's always there'ssomething good from all of them
that you can take away.
Right.
And to be fair, like ATG is verynew and this information wasn't
out when we were starting ourjourney in fitness.
And I've been through a lot ofdifferent phases in fitness
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myself.
I went through a phase where Iwas in back pain a lot.
I was afraid to lift weights atone point.
Had to hire a trainer myself sohe could help me work up the
confidence and figure it out,figure out why I was having so
much back pain.
So he taught me a lot of likeCrossFit stuff and a lot of
barbell work and that kind ofthing it really kind of set up a
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good structure for me but what Ididn't know at the time and I
know now is that my back wouldbe unstable when I was on a flat
surface doing squats because myknee wouldn't bend as much and
my ankle wouldn't bend as muchon the left because that had
been injured a lot too so thestandard system isn't set up for
you to discover those thingsabout yourself and so you can't
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go really any further than thatso that's what I found out and
of course I went through phasesof you know Pilates and the Soma
stuff and Feldenkrais and I wentthrough the Czech Institute and
all of that and I went throughall of that which has really
shaped how I coach now and it'sbeen all very beneficial but
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sometimes I also think that wemake it way too complicated and
I think it's wonderful that wehave so many options but I think
that the best thing to do Iwould say going back to the
Right.
Totally.
Totally.
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that that's just not the case.
Like it can improve even afteryour fifties.
Right.
So I was sure too.
SPEAKER_02 (10:27):
I was sure as well.
I was like, Oh, I think this is,this is as far as I can take it,
but I was, I was dead wrong.
And a lot of that happened wellafter 35 years old.
SPEAKER_00 (10:34):
Yeah.
So
SPEAKER_02 (10:35):
that's very cool.
SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
Yeah, I agree.
It's, it's very cool stuff.
So, um, so I would say, what,what would your, I guess, what
would your, uh, opinion be onhow someone could navigate that
SPEAKER_02 (10:46):
as a customer?
I think one of the coolestthings that you can do when
you're navigating all I've gotall these gyms I can go to.
I've got all these trainers andcoaching services that I can
choose from is find one thatwill truly and honestly
emphasize your weak linksalongside all of the meat and
potatoes, things that you needin a good training session.
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And I think you'll know that youfound a great one.
You won't even need to ask.
You'll just know right away,this coach, this trainer
pinpointed maybe in just an houror two pinpointed just about all
of my major weak links and maybegave me a little bit of coaching
about how we can improve allthose things and in a simple,
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uh, in a, in a structuredroutine kind of a way.
SPEAKER_00 (11:32):
Yeah, definitely.
And in the scope of practice ofstrength training, right.
That was, that's important.
Yeah.
Cause we're not doctors.
We're not physical therapists.
We're trainers.
Weak links
SPEAKER_02 (11:42):
for, for weightlifting and movement.
SPEAKER_00 (11:44):
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Cause it will, I say thatbecause it just seems like the
two have meshed a little Yeah,not to
SPEAKER_02 (11:53):
say that taking wonderful care of your strength
and your mobility and yourathleticism won't have mental
benefits and won't havespiritual benefits.
But you know, scope of practice,definitely focusing on the
physical focusing on the abilitybased.
SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
I kind of agree with everything you said.
But I just wanted to say like,I've also kind of jumped around
with like the styles that I'vebeen I've trained, like, I guess
I started out kind of like whatyou said, like, just like a
structural balance, like typicalbig box gym.
Adam was actually...
Not the first trainer I had, butpretty early on is when I met
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him.
But then eventually I shiftedinto like powerlifting, played
with kettlebells a lot for awhile, started having shoulder
issues.
And that's what kind of got memore interested in the ATG stuff
when after Adam found it andused it to basically fix his
knee problems.
You just got to find what worksfor you.
SPEAKER_00 (12:50):
Let's move into the next topic, how ATG has helped.
That's a It's a
SPEAKER_02 (12:59):
big one, right?
pretty much without skipping abeat train long, rewarding days
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at the gym on crutches for along time.
But yeah, I did not feel thatphysical therapy and traditional
weightlifting got me to a placewhere I was functional.
I was kind of like livingdysfunctionally on the sly
without ever really tellingpeople how much that was
affecting me negatively.
And when I finally started tofeel a little more normal, I got
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a bucket handle tear on the sameknee.
So I think just having to gothrough that process twice of
kind of suffering and silenceand not really ever feeling like
I came back 100% was reallychallenging to me as a coach.
So That's my, that's my why on,on ATG was I think maybe just
finding Ben on Instagram andstarting to follow Ben Patrick,
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the creator of knees over toes,ATG, AKA knees over toes guy on
Instagram, found him and noticedthat he had a pretty similar
story, had some serious kneeproblems and was able to
essentially fix and rehab hisknees doing loaded range of
motion work and very controlledtempo work and basically buying
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back his body's own trust byslowly and patiently regaining
range through things likelunges, getting really strong
ankles and getting really stronghips.
And I think that that's one lowhanging fruit for so many people
that are either a maybe kind ofsuffering from old injuries or
be maybe a little bitunfulfilled in their current
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training regimen.
That's what they need to know isthat really leveraging, you
know, work on your joints andwork on range of motion will
insane benefits for yourvitality, for your strength, for
just being able to get up anddown off the floor like you are
an energetic 12-year-old.
Even though I'm 40, I'm gettingup and down off the floor so
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quickly.
I can't put a price on that.
It's been completelylife-changing for me on a
personal level, but for mycoaching business, it's been
earth-shattering because I'vebeen able to reflect on this
crazy journey that I've been on,but luckily for me, my clients
have witnessed it.
They've seen me go from Adamlimping to work to Adam being
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like a very fast marathon runnerand a very accomplished
weightlifter and having kneesthat can do things that are
frankly scary to watch.
And I'm totally fine.
So I couldn't give more creditto ATG and Ben Patrick and Franz
and Ben from Canada and Keegan,all these people that have just
had my back for five years.
Can't say enough good things.
SPEAKER_00 (15:52):
The coaching community is incredible and
there's so much support there.
It's really great.
I have a similar story i've hada you know i think most of us
have probably had some kind ofknee issue who are in the
coaching community right that'swhat drew us to the atg group
from the start mine started wheni was in high school i was a
gymnast and i blew my knee outin my junior high school year
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and i was trying to get acollege scholarship and so i got
this knee reconstructive surgeryended up doing a rehab for a
year and then got a got thescholarship the crazy thing is i
was able to do gymnastics foranother two years but my knee
never bent the same so it As youcan imagine, it led to a lot of
overcompensation anddiscrepancies in my alignment
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and all that.
Not to mention, I had this anklethat had broken three times and
had three surgeries on it.
SPEAKER_02 (16:39):
Same side as the knee?
SPEAKER_00 (16:41):
It was on the opposite side.
So anyway, 30 years later, Ifind, and after much back
instability and pain afterhaving two children, in the
beginning, I'd never had a backspasm before.
And I was like, what the heck isthis?
I was like, oh my God, am Igoing to walk again?
You know, it was pretty scary.
But over time, you know, I've, Ikind of put the pieces together.
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And then finally when I hired atrainer and one day he put me in
this, this knees over toes splitsquat.
And I was like, what the heck isthis?
And I, and I couldn't bend my, Icouldn't, I could barely do it
on my right side.
I was like, oh, I'm intriguednow because like, this is
something I want to do.
Like, I want to be able to, canI do this?
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And then I listened to Ben'sstory and Ben Patrick and I and
he had worse knee surgery thanme like I don't know how many
surgeries like four or somethingand I was like well if he could
do that then I certainly can tryyou know so I actually got
excited about the potentialthere of being able to bend my
knee fully again I was like ohmy god is this possible right
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I'm like 50 I was 51 at the timeand I said oh my god you know
can this because you knowsometimes you think as you get
older you're like oh I'm justand Even trainers think we're
going to go
SPEAKER_02 (17:59):
older than 51
SPEAKER_00 (18:00):
now.
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feel really much stronger than Idid in my youth.
And so just because I want topoint on point out something you
mentioned, too, is I don't thinkwe actually know what being
strong feels like and actuallymeans because I did.
And even and even this is thisis coming from a personal
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trader.
Right.
And it's it's interestingbecause and I would say the
majority of people could go andfit into this category because
you've learned just to work onthe legs, but we haven't really
learned to work on the lowerlegs.
We haven't learned that thatkind of a foundation, really
building up the lower legs isreally going to prevent injury.
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It's going to help you actuallystabilize your knees so much
better, your hips.
It's going to help with yourcore.
It's basically your foundation,your foot and your lower leg.
But yet you see people in thegym, they hardly ever pay any to
that area, right?
It's an
SPEAKER_02 (19:28):
afterthought.
SPEAKER_00 (19:29):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (19:29):
If that, for most people's regimen, is like, maybe
you'll get one set of calves perweek or something.
And for us, it's like theinverse.
It's like, we're bipedals.
We're not quadrupeds.
We really need these two thingsreal bad.
SPEAKER_00 (19:43):
Exactly.
This is like taking my vitaminsevery day.
I basically do some kind ofvariation of ankle raise and tib
raise just basically almostevery day, really.
SPEAKER_02 (19:54):
And by volume, maybe sports injuries-wise, I know
rotator cuffs are really high upthere, but ankle sprains have
got to be towards top one tothree sports injuries that we
see by volume.
And it's like, why aren't weaddressing that preventatively
and after the fact as part ofour training volume?
Why aren't we emphasizing that?
SPEAKER_00 (20:13):
That's what I'm– I think because it's not a sexy
exercise.
I disagree.
SPEAKER_02 (20:18):
I think ATGers have this mindset of like chicks dig
guys with big tibs and viceversa.
SPEAKER_00 (20:25):
I've heard that joke before.
Yeah.
That's a good one.
So yeah, but I think, yeah, Ithink it's just not, it's not
like, oh, look at these, youknow, calves.
It's more like people want toshow their biceps.
They want to show their chest.
They want to show their legs,you know, their butt.
Like those are the things thatget attention.
But like the lower legs, ifthose aren't strong enough, like
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you really don't have a solidfoundation.
It's made so much of adifference for me and my
clients.
Like some of my clients who weregetting a lot of knee pain,
hiking downhill and stuff.
They don't get that anymorebecause we've been working on
their lower legs.
And it's just so, and it's soobvious, you know, and you think
about also the, I was, you know,my family's a big fan of NBA
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basketball and they're Celticsfans.
And we just watched like threeof the top players tear their
ACL.
I mean, not, not ACL, I'm sorry,Achilles tendons.
And I was like, wow, what would,what would it be like if they
had had atg in their life idon't know i couldn't stop i
could not think about that wheni saw those injuries because
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basketball players yeah they runconstantly they put a lot of
stress in that area in the ankleand so you would think oh yeah
that's that's going to beinjured at some point but i
don't know that that has to beif they've worked it enough you
know i don't know that's aquestion maybe that you can
answer oh my
SPEAKER_02 (21:52):
goodness well i think about the achilles is like
the spring of life yeah and it'slike um I've heard that in a lot
of cases, tearing one soundslike a gunshot going off.
I've had a client who got a tearwhile playing frisbee football.
It's devastating.
I don't know if this is true,but it could be one of the, if
not the hardest sports injuriesto repair.
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It just takes a very long timeto kind of build that trust back
and to actually like repair thatrupture and that tear.
It's at the center of ourability to jump.
It's at the center of ourability to land, absorb forces,
decelerate All these wonderfulthings.
And also have a healthy gaitpattern.
It's just like at the core andthe center of so much of this
stuff.
So...
We wanna make Achilles sexyagain as much as humanly
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possible.
I think that's like my mission.
Foot, lower leg, Achilles, allthis stuff is wonderful.
I don't know if that answeredthe question at all.
SPEAKER_00 (22:45):
Yeah, that answered the question.
I think that we can't, obviouslywe can't make any promises, but
I just had a dream like, oh myGod, like, I think this could
help those guys, you know?
Like, I think this could helpeverybody if we did enough of
that, if we focused enough onthe areas that that are taking
the most force you know
SPEAKER_02 (23:08):
and
SPEAKER_01 (23:09):
yeah i just wanted to touch like just because you
brought up basketball itreminded me um there's two or
three guys in like the programthat i'm in at school right now
that actively play basketballlike a lot and like are trying
to get a scholarship eventuallyand all that kind of stuff and
there was one day when we weredoing like various in my opinion
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random like fitness assessmentstuff and there was a vertical
jump test and I got way higherthan I don't play I don't play
basketball I don't run veryoften I get most of my cardio
from riding a bicycle but likejust all of the different calf
and like you know ankle lowerleg exercises that we do all the
time they were like mad they'relike how are you jump like how'd
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you jump that high and I wasjust like they kind of know the
stuff I do like you know I repthe no easy feet hoodie at
school and like stuff like thatbut it was just funny watching
like good basketball playersjust get really upset that I can
jump higher than them when Idon't play basketball at all.
SPEAKER_02 (24:14):
What a testament to ATG is being like, I love this
term.
I actually got called a sleeperbuild recently, like a sleeper
build or like a sleeper abilitywhere it's like not something
you can see readily, but it'slike, like you start getting
these like hidden skills oflike, oh my God, this person's
very unsuspecting looking, butthey have like this insane
ability that just comes flyingRight out so much of this to
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just a very small side note somuch of this lower leg care so
much of this Achilles healthAchilles wellness comes down to
our choices of footwear and Iknow in the NBA I'm sure there's
a lot of free shoes being handedout by major corporations and
I'm not here to disparage thosemajor corporations everyone has
a mortgage to pay I totallyunderstand that but I just
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simply wanted to state that mylife changed incredibly because
of ATG but it would not havechanged fully were it not me
making the switch over to moreof a minimalist or barefoot shoe
and just going unshod withoutshoes for so much if not all of
my days every day for people whoare just starting out and for me
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it was a little bit of agraduate graduation process
slowly building up to tolerateall of those funky stabilizers
and muscles and tissues that areturning on and coming online
after a lifetime pretty much ofwearing shoes like converse
all-stars nikes that drive yourtoes to a point Nike's that
elevate your heel and put you inthese positions where your body
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is kind of off center, a littlebit unstable, but not to be on
this topic too long, but I justwanted to say how crucial it was
for me personally to embraceminimal slash barefoot shoes as
a part of this whole game.
SPEAKER_00 (25:53):
When your feet are squeezed in a shoe, obviously
they're not going to be able tomove over the ground.
You're stepping over very well.
You're not going to be able tobalance very well.
So all that compression goes upthe leg all the way up to the
hip.
It all goes up the chain, right?
So if we can let our feet spreadwith a wide toe shoe at least
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and let the feet feel the groundyou're walking on, you have a
sensory mechanism in your feetthat tells you what you're
stepping over and it has anelectromagnetic conduction that
goes all the way up the body andcommunicates to the rest of your
body.
So that's what the idea ofgrounding comes from, right?
You're touching, you're as closeto the ground as you can be And
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then your feet and the musclesin the feet and the bones in
your feet can spread out and youcan balance so much better.
And then you don't have to holdall the tension in everything
above it because it's taking allof that in the feet.
It's able, it's strong enough.
That's why, again, the lowerlegs, because the lower legs are
right above the feet.
And that's part of what has tostabilize the load that's above
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it.
So the shoes are so importantbecause if we're walking around
these little shoes, squeezingour toes, it's like we're
walking on of tightrope rightall day long it's going to
reflect in the rest of your bodyso thank you for bringing that
up that's really good point
SPEAKER_02 (27:11):
and maybe one more quick one too on that same
regard indispensable is justthinking about fascia
understanding a little bit aboutfascia on how okay there's the
underside of our foot and thatunderside is our fascia and that
connects up into our Achillestendon and that wraps up our
calf up our hamstring into ourback all the way up to our head
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so we're thinking just like yousaid piggy backing on your
point, there's these electricsignals, there's these nerve
signals, but there's also thisfascial, which is also all part
of the same process.
Under-discussed, under-utilized,but in terms of resiliency and
quote-unquote bulletproofingyour body, this is bullseye
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center of the whole game righthere.
SPEAKER_00 (27:54):
Absolutely.
People don't have a lot of timeor they don't have a lot of
strength in the beginning.
Usually start them from theground up feet lower legs and
then up the chain so that ispart of our our approach right
there so next topic being acustomer of coaching services
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even as a coach
SPEAKER_02 (28:18):
yeah i think um i think one thing that's been
indispensable for me in thejourney of Becoming a better
coach and even more so becominga better practitioner has been
having a second pair of eyes.
I think maybe a lot oftherapists could say the same
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thing.
I think a lot of people in a lotof industries in the medical
profession could say the samething as having a mentor, having
a coach, having an invaluableresource like that.
Should at no point in your lifebecome dispensable, I think that
there should always be an eyetowards How can I find ways to
refine my practice?
(29:01):
How can I continue to ensurethat my practice doesn't get
stagnant?
Obviously, there are ways toprobably do it without hiring a
coach per se, but I think forme, throughout all these years,
mentorship has beenindispensable.
And it takes a lot of hubris, inmy opinion, to get to a point in
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your career where it's like,I've got it all figured out.
This is the end of me learning.
And it's like, well, I think forlearning, I think books are
great.
I think podcasts are great.
I think talking to people isgreat.
But I think having a formalrelationship is, for me
personally, my opinion, ideal.
Because it's formal.
There's accountability.
There's feedback.
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And I think for me personally,having feedback, especially at
this stage in my career,detailed feedback and very
granular feedback isindispensable.
I love serving my clients.
And I serve my clients best whenI feel like I'm on my cutting
edge.
Yeah.
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with many other parts of mygame, including my original
handstand goal, which I used toget my third ATG certification.
Getting a handstand was also acrazy journey for me because
I've had shoulder issues andback issues.
So just wanted to speak to theimportance of, I guess,
regardless of your profession,but for me as a coach,
continuing to have a coach.
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As a consumer or as a customerof fitness, even someone who's
not a coach, having a coach isindispensable.
It's just a great part of thehuman experience, in my opinion.
Allison?
SPEAKER_00 (30:56):
I've had many coaches in my career, and I
really thrive on mentorship aswell.
I don't think I'd be where I amtoday if I hadn't hired coaches
myself because, like you said, Iwant to be the most– I guess,
nuanced version of myself that Ican be for my clients so that I
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can help them.
I can only help them as much asI've helped myself.
And I think it's justinvaluable, especially in this
day and age where we have allthis technology to actually have
a person that you can have arelationship with and that you
can also, someone who can seewhat you're doing and maybe give
you feedback on things maybe youcan't see about yourself, right?
(31:42):
Some things you haven't noticedbefore.
And And so that opens up thewhole exploration curiosity
thing is like, wow, maybe I canget better at this, right?
And I didn't think about it likethat before.
So not only does the coach givefeedback, accountability, but it
also a good coach really showsyou your potential or gives you
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like an entrance into it, right?
And guide you there.
I think you're going to get somuch more out of your fitness
experience if you do in mypersonal opinion, because so
many people, I mean, I guess youcould say they waste a lot of
time, they get injured trying toresearch themselves and figure
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it out or look on YouTube, youknow, and I mean, you can do
that.
That's fine.
You can do it yourself.
But also, if you just even havea coach for a small amount of
time, and you just get some kindof direction on what you need to
be doing, that's going to saveyou a whole lot of time and
energy right there, too.
SPEAKER_01 (32:45):
earlier adam was my trainer years ago and then like
a few years later like when welike reconnected and started
doing all this like he'sdefinitely helped me like he's
you know had a keen eye duringlike my uh atg career i guess so
you could say and like uhprogress franz has helped me um
(33:08):
trying to like get my hamstringsunlocked a lot lately so there's
certain things i wouldn't beable to do now if I didn't have
coaches helping me along theway.
Cause you know, any, anyone canreally like find a program and
follow it, but you could bedoing it wrong the whole time
and making things worse withoutsomeone there to kind of point
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those things out.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (33:32):
Steven and I actually had this exact same
conversation earlier today whenwe were doing our Franz, my
Franz homework.
I pointed to the whiteboardbecause we have all of our
clients' programs written withgood penmanship on the
whiteboard.
And I said, I think I said thisto Steven, I said, coaching
isn't the marker.
Coaching is the white spacebetween the marker.
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And I think that that's what somany customers, consumers,
clients are maybe missing outwhen they're shopping.
Not anyone.
Writing a program requires a tonof understanding of the
individual and a lot of nuance,even if it doesn't Mm-hmm.
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so many things in our cultureare kind of sending us down a
road of disassociation becausethere's so much overstimulation
out there.
What a wonderful time.
What a wonderful opportunity toreconnect with yourself by
feeling yourself.
And I think if you're kind oflike, I think it happens to me
too, like be kind of working outkind of on your phone, kind of
thinking about what's going tohappen later in the day, kind of
reflecting upon what happenedearlier in the day.
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And you're like, your mind isall over the place.
And it's like, when you're withyour coach, like you can kind of
like create this space whereit's like, Oh, pause.
Oh, pause right there.
Do you feel that?
And it's like, maybe they didn'tbefore, but they do now.
That white space.
SPEAKER_00 (35:09):
I love that, Adam.
That was really, really wellsaid and resonated with that so
much.
Yes, it is a chance to connectwith yourself, right?
That's really what it comes downto.
And it's giving, you're allowingyourself space.
You're making yourself importantenough to spend time with
yourself.
And that's what the coachprovides.
It provides, the coach providesthat space that contains
(35:33):
basically for you to do thatright and I think that like you
said it's so valuable these daysbecause we're trying to fly
through everything right andwe're not really taking time you
know we just talked about thissense of urgency we've been
feeling from people lately andthe energy of that and all that
and it is a sense of urgency Ifeel like there's like a low
(35:56):
grade anxiety because we aren'treally spending time with
ourselves right we're notactually taking the time to sit
with ourselves and really justbe with our bodies right that's
what embodiment is is you'rebringing all your energy back
into you into your body andfeeling like you said and so
this is the practice of feelingit's a practice of being able to
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be in the moment which is soimportant like that's a
spiritual practice right therethat you can do in the gym
SPEAKER_02 (36:24):
I feel like the American garage is like such a
character in our zeitgeist yeahMicrosoft was started in the
garage um like cliff bars and Iwant to say now so many of the
biggest podcasts in the worldlike Marc Maron I'm a huge fan
of Tim Heidecker they're intheir garages in many cases so
(36:46):
it's like there's this wonderfulsort of cultural experience
around a garage I think peoplekind of like the American
kitchen the garage is kind of aweird magnet for energy I think
that we love garages and Allisonyou have an amazing garage gym
and I'm going to toot my ownhorn I also have an amazing
garage gym there is some thingthat is really magical about
talking about containers andalso talking about garages
(37:08):
within the realm of containers.
I didn't intend to have a garagegym per se.
COVID sort of created thismagical place partially and my
own intention created itpartially.
But I just wanted to say like,there's something really special
about having a boutique space.
There's something really specialabout having a container that is
a little bit unique and a littlebit, what's the word I would
(37:29):
say?
Not quite sentimental, but it'svery personal.
So Yeah, what a great time tokind of work on creating the
perfect container.
I think a huge part of coachingis doing that in this way.
SPEAKER_00 (37:43):
That was really well said.
All right.
And the last part here, I'mgoing to get you to take the
reins on this one.
SPEAKER_02 (37:52):
What makes coaching rewarding to someone who's been
in an industry for 10 plusyears?
And I think this happensregardless of your industry.
If you've been painting cars for10 years, if you've been doing
agriculture for 10 years, ormaybe 20 years, or maybe 30
years, when the decades startaccumulating, I think that each
individual person in their ownway has to make sure that the
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practice is invigorated.
There's probably a spectrum ofburnout for each industry.
Like every industry kind of haslike their own sort of
propensity to burn out.
I think training is really highup on that list.
I think statistically speaking,I think only because the future
can be uncertain economicallyfor a lot of coaches.
It's kind of, it can be bumpy inthat regard in certain ways.
And I think also you're dealingwith a lot of energies, you
(38:37):
know, cause you're doingcustomer service.
You're also doing really deepwork with people and the amount
of focus and memory that'srequired in this job is, um, I
think a lot of customers and,and, um, um and clients maybe
don't fully understand how muchhard drive space spiritual hard
drive space and mental harddrive space is required to be a
great coach because i think thislittle area between my eyebrows
(38:59):
gets so much work because i'malways focusing and squinting
and um just watching all thesethese wonderful nuanced things
throughout the day and andmemorizing them you have these
these clients that you've hadfor years in certain cases in my
case i've had clients for 10years and it's like you know
them so well so i guess what imean to say for is I am
continually soul-searching andtrying to intellectualize ways
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that I can keep this practiceexciting for myself, keep it as
exciting as possible for mywonderful clients, and also to
continue to make sure that I'mforging into new areas.
And I think this is such animportant thing to do as an
individual practitioner.
So I just kind of wanted tospeak to that a little bit.
And maybe one small example ofhow I'm doing that right now is
(39:46):
working with Franz.
Yeah, absolutely.
(40:17):
what my potential is and I'vecontinued to find that that well
goes a lot deeper than I everthought that it did whatever we
can do to make sure that's stillhappening for us because it
benefits us which is wonderfulbut it benefits our practice
which is more important and itbenefits our community which is
even more important than that
SPEAKER_00 (40:33):
you know of course a lot of coaches we take on
probably more clients than weneed to in the very beginning we
burn ourselves out and then wehave no time for ourselves at
the end of the day we have notime for our own training and so
that's how you get burnt out soyou have to work in time for
yourself.
So you can experiment also withmoves.
I do that all the time.
(40:54):
The gym is like my playground.
I go there to play and toexperiment with different
exercises and to see how theywork, how they feel, how it
changes my body and all of thesethings.
So I can actually take that theninto my practice and help my
clients with that.
But if I hadn't experienced itfirst, I don't know if I would
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be able to honestly give themsomething that I hadn't
experienced myself.
You know, so I feel like this isvery important for each coach to
take care of themselves and tobe able to take care of their
own needs, especially as itrelates to their fitness, right?
You're a fitness coach.
You want to be able to attend toyour own fitness.
(41:38):
That's a top priority.
You have to be what you wantyour clients to be, right?
If you want your clients to showyou certain things that you want
them to show up and beconsistent and get stronger.
You have to be that first.
You really do.
And that's a practice I've beenimplementing a lot lately is
just, okay, if I'm, you know,not seeing something that I want
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to see outside of me, I'm goingto be that.
And so that's a practice initself.
But that means basically thatyou have to just start doing it
yourself, right?
You have to have the love forit, the joy for it.
(42:19):
Keep getting, being curiousabout it and, and, and keep
exploring, you know, like thatis what also will, will bring
people to you because they'regoing to feel that in you.
They're going to feel thatenergy from you.
So I think that's a, I know Igot burned out.
I've gotten burned out many,many times, many phases in my
career.
(42:40):
And now I'm, I give myselfenough space in my week.
I don't overschedule myself andI give myself enough space for
myself so that i can show upfully present for my clients
absolutely allison
SPEAKER_02 (42:53):
yeah it's really important to know um as a
customer because i am a customerof services too that um it's
really important to factor a lotof these things in when you're
shopping because there can be ithink even for me too it can be
a little bit of sticker shockabout oh it maybe seems kind of
expensive but when you start toreel it back and zoom that
camera ones back you're like ohthis is this is my well-being
(43:14):
and in certain cases uh can meanthe difference between maybe
like assisted living versusindependent living so it's it's
these ramifications are huge umbut just wanted to say um Yeah.
Yeah.
(43:57):
your time and money as a humanso much of the human experience
is just being in your body andand being able to feel feel
yourself working as well as youcan
SPEAKER_00 (44:06):
thank you so much for coming on this has been an
incredible conversation I knewit was was gonna be really good
can you guys leave the audiencewith you know your information
where they can find you so
SPEAKER_01 (44:18):
yeah both of us are we're working at no easy feet no
easy feet calm there's a lotmore information about us there
as well.
Um, the Instagram page is alsojust at no easy feet.
Um, there's a, we've got amonthly newsletter as well.
Sorry.
(44:38):
The Instagram is no easy feetgym.
Um, but both of us are featuredon there.
There's a lot of goodinformation.
Adam's got a lot of good, um,reels, um, talking about stuff
almost every day.
So yeah.
And yeah, like Adam mentionedearlier, we're located in a,
like kind of the Montevillaneighborhood of Portland.
in Portland.
(45:00):
Even if you're not in Portland,there's, you know, opportunities
for like virtual coaching aswell.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (45:06):
And how do we find you, Allison?
SPEAKER_00 (45:08):
Thank you.
Thank you.
Well, I am in Southeast Portlandin the Brooklyn neighborhood.
I also have a really beautifulgarage gym and Adam has really
inspired me to upgrade my space.
I mean, oh my God, I got soexcited when I saw his space.
I was like, I want to do this,this and this.
And it's also got the ATGequipment as well.
And you can find me at Ofcourse, pureenergypdx.com.
(45:32):
I do mostly in person.
The online coaching I do isthrough my Finally Thriving
community.
It's a group coaching community,and it's a monthly membership.
So if you want to do online,that's how I do online coaching,
and I give everybody monthlyworkouts there, and we go
through nutrition as well.
But if you want to see me inPortland, you can set up a
(45:56):
consultation with me throughpureenergypdx.com.
So thank you guys so much forcoming on.
This has been a pleasure and anhonor to have you here.
SPEAKER_02 (46:05):
Yeah, thank you.
It's been really great.
Pleasure and an honor.
Thank you, Allison.
Welcome to Integrate Yourself, everybody.
I'm your host, Alison Pillow,and you can find me at
pureenergypdx.com.
Today I'm here with some veryspecial guests, Adam and Steven
(00:21):
from No Easy Feet Gym.
We both have our own in-homestudios basically, so that's
really cool.
I got connected with Adamthrough the ATG coaching program
and he's phenomenal.
So is Steven.
They're both phenomenal coachesand I'm very excited to
introduce you to them and we'regoing to talk about some really,
really amazing things today.
(00:47):
All right.
So you guys, we are here at allin person, which is what I don't
normally do podcast in person.
So this is actually a real treatfor me today.
So why don't you start, Adam,introduce yourself, tell
everybody a little bit aboutyourself.
Then we'll get into some topicswe're going to talk about today.
SPEAKER_02 (01:07):
Thank you.
It's a treat for me to be here,too, because all I ever want to
do, Allison, is nerd out aboutfitness.
with other coaches, if possible.
So thanks for allowing me to behere.
I've been a coach in Portlandfull-time for 11 years, and I
run a home gym called No EasyFeet Gym in Montevilla area, but
it hasn't always been that way.
(01:27):
I worked at a gym calledTraining Day before COVID, and
when COVID happened, I startedmy own show.
So I'm very honored to be doingwhat I'm doing, especially
having discovered ATG becauseI've had some serious issues
with my knee.
I've had an ACL tear and repair,and I've also I had a bucket
handle tear and repair, and thisis midway through my coaching
(01:47):
career.
So discovering ATG has been agoldmine on a personal level and
on a professional level.
So being able to collaboratewith you and nerd out about
that, it's a dream come true.
SPEAKER_00 (01:58):
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
I agree 100%.
It's been so much fun nerdingout together on the ATG stuff.
It's a game changer for fitness.
I know that's such an overusedterm, game changer, but it
really is.
It's changed my entireperspective.
on fitness and the potentialthere so we're gonna we're gonna
get into more of that today butfirst let's introduce steven
SPEAKER_01 (02:21):
hello um i'm currently still working on my
level one atg coachingcertification i've been in the
exercise program here for alittle over a year but yeah i
remember when adam first foundatg and we were doing kind of
our own like zoom trainingsessions with very minimal at
(02:44):
home equipment like I've justI've seen what it's done for him
and in the past I couldn't youknow I had a very busy work life
but lately in the last year I'vebeen kind of devoting everything
to this so it's been a cooljourney
SPEAKER_02 (02:59):
yeah I feel like I'm still on my way to Mordor in a
positive way
SPEAKER_00 (03:04):
oh yes for sure for sure yeah it's uh it's
interesting you guys and I'venoticed you guys bring such a
different energy into fitnessit's fun in a way where you're
you're actually meeting yourgoals you're getting the things
done you really want to get donebut you're also exploring that
right it's like an a really funexploration and you help people
(03:27):
dive into their curiosity aroundwhat their potential is there so
um kudos to you guys i'm sohappy that we connected i mean
it's been amazing so
SPEAKER_02 (03:38):
i'm nodding my head vigorously over here nodding my
head vigorously the whole time
SPEAKER_00 (03:42):
let's talk about uh some of the Some of the things
we're going to talk about today,which is first one is navigating
the fitness industry.
Talked about how confusing it isfor people to figure out what's
ideal for them.
We're going to go over thebenefits, coaching styles and
all that.
So how do you want to start thatone off,
SPEAKER_02 (04:05):
Adam?
Yeah, it is.
If you
SPEAKER_00 (04:26):
think about our fitness history, we've been
through so many differentphases, right?
I know I have.
And even as a fitnessprofessional for over 20 years,
there's still so much to learn.
I mean, I feel so humbled bythis entire experience, quite
honestly.
And it's really brought about ana childlike wonder to me from
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both me and my clients.
I think that there are so many,it's marketing really.
There's so many fitness methodsout there and corporations, you
know, you've got Orange Theory,you've got CrossFit, I don't
know.
Big box gyms.
Big box gyms, exactly.
(05:07):
They're all saying, okay, thisis the exact way you should
exercise.
And this is going to get you toyour goals.
It's going to get you fit.
I think the biggest thing onpeople's mind is losing weight,
right?
You know, there's this thingI've been thinking about a lot
lately is body recomposition.
And I think it's somethingthat's really misunderstood.
(05:28):
And I've even misunderstood itin the past.
But I think people just thinkthat they need to burn
everything off.
But I think part ofunderstanding, like part of what
we're talking about here, why itgets so confusing is because
people don't understand whatthey really need, right?
They don't understand how toidentify that.
SPEAKER_02 (05:46):
Yeah, I think it's like maybe what you think you
need versus kind of what youknow you need.
And I think that for a lot ofpeople, they have to kind of
find it out experientially.
And I know for me personally, Idefinitely had to find out
experientially through lots ofkind of dead ends.
And I think for me, one of myfirst forays into fitness was
doing a lot of running andalmost no cross training.
(06:08):
Kind of my college years, I wasdoing a ton of I would go to the
gym and I would spend a And Iwould also do a lot of running
and kind of wonder why my bodycomposition wasn't where I
wanted it to be.
My strength and ability kind ofwasn't where I wanted it to be.
But I've had a crazy formativeexperience being a gym member at
big box gyms, boutique gyms,doing like HIIT CrossFit style
(06:34):
gyms.
I've done all of them.
And I think that it took kind ofgoing through all those stages
to learn more about what youwere talking about, which is.
your body comp matters so muchbecause your body composition
ultimately is your destiny.
It's your metabolism.
It's your energy.
It's your vitality, your abilityto gain and maintain lean muscle
(06:55):
mass and connective tissuehealth.
All those different things areso important.
So ATG, you know, is such awonderful conglomeration of so
many of these benefits of,again, people want to have a
healthy body composition.
And so much of ATG is aboutmaintaining And of course, like
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throughout all that.
Getting into positions that aredifficult and challenging and
having those things start tobecome easier and easier and
really seeing this like thisability benefit that comes
alongside the body compositionbenefit, which is, I think, kind
of a rare proposition is likeI'm feeling better.
I have more vitality.
(07:39):
My body composition is closer towhere I want it to be.
And as a side effect of a lot ofthis stuff, my abilities have
grown and progressed.
And I think it's it's been thiswonderful journey for me.
Coming back to the style oflifting that is very intrinsic
and very almost like prettyminimalistic after having, you
know, done lots of machines andlots of kind of more myopic
(08:03):
styles of fitness that onlyfocus or home in on just one
aspect of fitness.
I feel like this is just awonderful place to have arrived
to.
SPEAKER_00 (08:11):
Yeah.
And it's like all thesedifferent fitness regimens and
options or they're not bad.
I mean, there's always there'ssomething good from all of them
that you can take away.
Right.
And to be fair, like ATG is verynew and this information wasn't
out when we were starting ourjourney in fitness.
And I've been through a lot ofdifferent phases in fitness
(08:32):
myself.
I went through a phase where Iwas in back pain a lot.
I was afraid to lift weights atone point.
Had to hire a trainer myself sohe could help me work up the
confidence and figure it out,figure out why I was having so
much back pain.
So he taught me a lot of likeCrossFit stuff and a lot of
barbell work and that kind ofthing it really kind of set up a
(08:54):
good structure for me but what Ididn't know at the time and I
know now is that my back wouldbe unstable when I was on a flat
surface doing squats because myknee wouldn't bend as much and
my ankle wouldn't bend as muchon the left because that had
been injured a lot too so thestandard system isn't set up for
you to discover those thingsabout yourself and so you can't
(09:16):
go really any further than thatso that's what I found out and
of course I went through phasesof you know Pilates and the Soma
stuff and Feldenkrais and I wentthrough the Czech Institute and
all of that and I went throughall of that which has really
shaped how I coach now and it'sbeen all very beneficial but
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sometimes I also think that wemake it way too complicated and
I think it's wonderful that wehave so many options but I think
that the best thing to do Iwould say going back to the
Right.
Totally.
Totally.
(10:20):
that that's just not the case.
Like it can improve even afteryour fifties.
Right.
So I was sure too.
SPEAKER_02 (10:27):
I was sure as well.
I was like, Oh, I think this is,this is as far as I can take it,
but I was, I was dead wrong.
And a lot of that happened wellafter 35 years old.
SPEAKER_00 (10:34):
Yeah.
So
SPEAKER_02 (10:35):
that's very cool.
SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
Yeah, I agree.
It's, it's very cool stuff.
So, um, so I would say, what,what would your, I guess, what
would your, uh, opinion be onhow someone could navigate that
SPEAKER_02 (10:46):
as a customer?
I think one of the coolestthings that you can do when
you're navigating all I've gotall these gyms I can go to.
I've got all these trainers andcoaching services that I can
choose from is find one thatwill truly and honestly
emphasize your weak linksalongside all of the meat and
potatoes, things that you needin a good training session.
(11:07):
And I think you'll know that youfound a great one.
You won't even need to ask.
You'll just know right away,this coach, this trainer
pinpointed maybe in just an houror two pinpointed just about all
of my major weak links and maybegave me a little bit of coaching
about how we can improve allthose things and in a simple,
(11:27):
uh, in a, in a structuredroutine kind of a way.
SPEAKER_00 (11:32):
Yeah, definitely.
And in the scope of practice ofstrength training, right.
That was, that's important.
Yeah.
Cause we're not doctors.
We're not physical therapists.
We're trainers.
Weak links
SPEAKER_02 (11:42):
for, for weightlifting and movement.
SPEAKER_00 (11:44):
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Cause it will, I say thatbecause it just seems like the
two have meshed a little Yeah,not to
SPEAKER_02 (11:53):
say that taking wonderful care of your strength
and your mobility and yourathleticism won't have mental
benefits and won't havespiritual benefits.
But you know, scope of practice,definitely focusing on the
physical focusing on the abilitybased.
SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
I kind of agree with everything you said.
But I just wanted to say like,I've also kind of jumped around
with like the styles that I'vebeen I've trained, like, I guess
I started out kind of like whatyou said, like, just like a
structural balance, like typicalbig box gym.
Adam was actually...
Not the first trainer I had, butpretty early on is when I met
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him.
But then eventually I shiftedinto like powerlifting, played
with kettlebells a lot for awhile, started having shoulder
issues.
And that's what kind of got memore interested in the ATG stuff
when after Adam found it andused it to basically fix his
knee problems.
You just got to find what worksfor you.
SPEAKER_00 (12:50):
Let's move into the next topic, how ATG has helped.
That's a It's a
SPEAKER_02 (12:59):
big one, right?
pretty much without skipping abeat train long, rewarding days
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at the gym on crutches for along time.
But yeah, I did not feel thatphysical therapy and traditional
weightlifting got me to a placewhere I was functional.
I was kind of like livingdysfunctionally on the sly
without ever really tellingpeople how much that was
affecting me negatively.
And when I finally started tofeel a little more normal, I got
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a bucket handle tear on the sameknee.
So I think just having to gothrough that process twice of
kind of suffering and silenceand not really ever feeling like
I came back 100% was reallychallenging to me as a coach.
So That's my, that's my why on,on ATG was I think maybe just
finding Ben on Instagram andstarting to follow Ben Patrick,
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the creator of knees over toes,ATG, AKA knees over toes guy on
Instagram, found him and noticedthat he had a pretty similar
story, had some serious kneeproblems and was able to
essentially fix and rehab hisknees doing loaded range of
motion work and very controlledtempo work and basically buying
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back his body's own trust byslowly and patiently regaining
range through things likelunges, getting really strong
ankles and getting really stronghips.
And I think that that's one lowhanging fruit for so many people
that are either a maybe kind ofsuffering from old injuries or
be maybe a little bitunfulfilled in their current
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training regimen.
That's what they need to know isthat really leveraging, you
know, work on your joints andwork on range of motion will
insane benefits for yourvitality, for your strength, for
just being able to get up anddown off the floor like you are
an energetic 12-year-old.
Even though I'm 40, I'm gettingup and down off the floor so
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quickly.
I can't put a price on that.
It's been completelylife-changing for me on a
personal level, but for mycoaching business, it's been
earth-shattering because I'vebeen able to reflect on this
crazy journey that I've been on,but luckily for me, my clients
have witnessed it.
They've seen me go from Adamlimping to work to Adam being
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like a very fast marathon runnerand a very accomplished
weightlifter and having kneesthat can do things that are
frankly scary to watch.
And I'm totally fine.
So I couldn't give more creditto ATG and Ben Patrick and Franz
and Ben from Canada and Keegan,all these people that have just
had my back for five years.
Can't say enough good things.
SPEAKER_00 (15:52):
The coaching community is incredible and
there's so much support there.
It's really great.
I have a similar story i've hada you know i think most of us
have probably had some kind ofknee issue who are in the
coaching community right that'swhat drew us to the atg group
from the start mine started wheni was in high school i was a
gymnast and i blew my knee outin my junior high school year
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and i was trying to get acollege scholarship and so i got
this knee reconstructive surgeryended up doing a rehab for a
year and then got a got thescholarship the crazy thing is i
was able to do gymnastics foranother two years but my knee
never bent the same so it As youcan imagine, it led to a lot of
overcompensation anddiscrepancies in my alignment
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and all that.
Not to mention, I had this anklethat had broken three times and
had three surgeries on it.
SPEAKER_02 (16:39):
Same side as the knee?
SPEAKER_00 (16:41):
It was on the opposite side.
So anyway, 30 years later, Ifind, and after much back
instability and pain afterhaving two children, in the
beginning, I'd never had a backspasm before.
And I was like, what the heck isthis?
I was like, oh my God, am Igoing to walk again?
You know, it was pretty scary.
But over time, you know, I've, Ikind of put the pieces together.
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And then finally when I hired atrainer and one day he put me in
this, this knees over toes splitsquat.
And I was like, what the heck isthis?
And I, and I couldn't bend my, Icouldn't, I could barely do it
on my right side.
I was like, oh, I'm intriguednow because like, this is
something I want to do.
Like, I want to be able to, canI do this?
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And then I listened to Ben'sstory and Ben Patrick and I and
he had worse knee surgery thanme like I don't know how many
surgeries like four or somethingand I was like well if he could
do that then I certainly can tryyou know so I actually got
excited about the potentialthere of being able to bend my
knee fully again I was like ohmy god is this possible right
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I'm like 50 I was 51 at the timeand I said oh my god you know
can this because you knowsometimes you think as you get
older you're like oh I'm justand Even trainers think we're
going to go
SPEAKER_02 (17:59):
older than 51
SPEAKER_00 (18:00):
now.
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feel really much stronger than Idid in my youth.
And so just because I want topoint on point out something you
mentioned, too, is I don't thinkwe actually know what being
strong feels like and actuallymeans because I did.
And even and even this is thisis coming from a personal
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trader.
Right.
And it's it's interestingbecause and I would say the
majority of people could go andfit into this category because
you've learned just to work onthe legs, but we haven't really
learned to work on the lowerlegs.
We haven't learned that thatkind of a foundation, really
building up the lower legs isreally going to prevent injury.
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It's going to help you actuallystabilize your knees so much
better, your hips.
It's going to help with yourcore.
It's basically your foundation,your foot and your lower leg.
But yet you see people in thegym, they hardly ever pay any to
that area, right?
It's an
SPEAKER_02 (19:28):
afterthought.
SPEAKER_00 (19:29):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (19:29):
If that, for most people's regimen, is like, maybe
you'll get one set of calves perweek or something.
And for us, it's like theinverse.
It's like, we're bipedals.
We're not quadrupeds.
We really need these two thingsreal bad.
SPEAKER_00 (19:43):
Exactly.
This is like taking my vitaminsevery day.
I basically do some kind ofvariation of ankle raise and tib
raise just basically almostevery day, really.
SPEAKER_02 (19:54):
And by volume, maybe sports injuries-wise, I know
rotator cuffs are really high upthere, but ankle sprains have
got to be towards top one tothree sports injuries that we
see by volume.
And it's like, why aren't weaddressing that preventatively
and after the fact as part ofour training volume?
Why aren't we emphasizing that?
SPEAKER_00 (20:13):
That's what I'm– I think because it's not a sexy
exercise.
I disagree.
SPEAKER_02 (20:18):
I think ATGers have this mindset of like chicks dig
guys with big tibs and viceversa.
SPEAKER_00 (20:25):
I've heard that joke before.
Yeah.
That's a good one.
So yeah, but I think, yeah, Ithink it's just not, it's not
like, oh, look at these, youknow, calves.
It's more like people want toshow their biceps.
They want to show their chest.
They want to show their legs,you know, their butt.
Like those are the things thatget attention.
But like the lower legs, ifthose aren't strong enough, like
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you really don't have a solidfoundation.
It's made so much of adifference for me and my
clients.
Like some of my clients who weregetting a lot of knee pain,
hiking downhill and stuff.
They don't get that anymorebecause we've been working on
their lower legs.
And it's just so, and it's soobvious, you know, and you think
about also the, I was, you know,my family's a big fan of NBA
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basketball and they're Celticsfans.
And we just watched like threeof the top players tear their
ACL.
I mean, not, not ACL, I'm sorry,Achilles tendons.
And I was like, wow, what would,what would it be like if they
had had atg in their life idon't know i couldn't stop i
could not think about that wheni saw those injuries because
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basketball players yeah they runconstantly they put a lot of
stress in that area in the ankleand so you would think oh yeah
that's that's going to beinjured at some point but i
don't know that that has to beif they've worked it enough you
know i don't know that's aquestion maybe that you can
answer oh my
SPEAKER_02 (21:52):
goodness well i think about the achilles is like
the spring of life yeah and it'slike um I've heard that in a lot
of cases, tearing one soundslike a gunshot going off.
I've had a client who got a tearwhile playing frisbee football.
It's devastating.
I don't know if this is true,but it could be one of the, if
not the hardest sports injuriesto repair.
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It just takes a very long timeto kind of build that trust back
and to actually like repair thatrupture and that tear.
It's at the center of ourability to jump.
It's at the center of ourability to land, absorb forces,
decelerate All these wonderfulthings.
And also have a healthy gaitpattern.
It's just like at the core andthe center of so much of this
stuff.
So...
We wanna make Achilles sexyagain as much as humanly
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possible.
I think that's like my mission.
Foot, lower leg, Achilles, allthis stuff is wonderful.
I don't know if that answeredthe question at all.
SPEAKER_00 (22:45):
Yeah, that answered the question.
I think that we can't, obviouslywe can't make any promises, but
I just had a dream like, oh myGod, like, I think this could
help those guys, you know?
Like, I think this could helpeverybody if we did enough of
that, if we focused enough onthe areas that that are taking
the most force you know
SPEAKER_02 (23:08):
and
SPEAKER_01 (23:09):
yeah i just wanted to touch like just because you
brought up basketball itreminded me um there's two or
three guys in like the programthat i'm in at school right now
that actively play basketballlike a lot and like are trying
to get a scholarship eventuallyand all that kind of stuff and
there was one day when we weredoing like various in my opinion
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random like fitness assessmentstuff and there was a vertical
jump test and I got way higherthan I don't play I don't play
basketball I don't run veryoften I get most of my cardio
from riding a bicycle but likejust all of the different calf
and like you know ankle lowerleg exercises that we do all the
time they were like mad they'relike how are you jump like how'd
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you jump that high and I wasjust like they kind of know the
stuff I do like you know I repthe no easy feet hoodie at
school and like stuff like thatbut it was just funny watching
like good basketball playersjust get really upset that I can
jump higher than them when Idon't play basketball at all.
SPEAKER_02 (24:14):
What a testament to ATG is being like, I love this
term.
I actually got called a sleeperbuild recently, like a sleeper
build or like a sleeper abilitywhere it's like not something
you can see readily, but it'slike, like you start getting
these like hidden skills oflike, oh my God, this person's
very unsuspecting looking, butthey have like this insane
ability that just comes flyingRight out so much of this to
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just a very small side note somuch of this lower leg care so
much of this Achilles healthAchilles wellness comes down to
our choices of footwear and Iknow in the NBA I'm sure there's
a lot of free shoes being handedout by major corporations and
I'm not here to disparage thosemajor corporations everyone has
a mortgage to pay I totallyunderstand that but I just
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simply wanted to state that mylife changed incredibly because
of ATG but it would not havechanged fully were it not me
making the switch over to moreof a minimalist or barefoot shoe
and just going unshod withoutshoes for so much if not all of
my days every day for people whoare just starting out and for me
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it was a little bit of agraduate graduation process
slowly building up to tolerateall of those funky stabilizers
and muscles and tissues that areturning on and coming online
after a lifetime pretty much ofwearing shoes like converse
all-stars nikes that drive yourtoes to a point Nike's that
elevate your heel and put you inthese positions where your body
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is kind of off center, a littlebit unstable, but not to be on
this topic too long, but I justwanted to say how crucial it was
for me personally to embraceminimal slash barefoot shoes as
a part of this whole game.
SPEAKER_00 (25:53):
When your feet are squeezed in a shoe, obviously
they're not going to be able tomove over the ground.
You're stepping over very well.
You're not going to be able tobalance very well.
So all that compression goes upthe leg all the way up to the
hip.
It all goes up the chain, right?
So if we can let our feet spreadwith a wide toe shoe at least
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and let the feet feel the groundyou're walking on, you have a
sensory mechanism in your feetthat tells you what you're
stepping over and it has anelectromagnetic conduction that
goes all the way up the body andcommunicates to the rest of your
body.
So that's what the idea ofgrounding comes from, right?
You're touching, you're as closeto the ground as you can be And
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then your feet and the musclesin the feet and the bones in
your feet can spread out and youcan balance so much better.
And then you don't have to holdall the tension in everything
above it because it's taking allof that in the feet.
It's able, it's strong enough.
That's why, again, the lowerlegs, because the lower legs are
right above the feet.
And that's part of what has tostabilize the load that's above
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it.
So the shoes are so importantbecause if we're walking around
these little shoes, squeezingour toes, it's like we're
walking on of tightrope rightall day long it's going to
reflect in the rest of your bodyso thank you for bringing that
up that's really good point
SPEAKER_02 (27:11):
and maybe one more quick one too on that same
regard indispensable is justthinking about fascia
understanding a little bit aboutfascia on how okay there's the
underside of our foot and thatunderside is our fascia and that
connects up into our Achillestendon and that wraps up our
calf up our hamstring into ourback all the way up to our head
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so we're thinking just like yousaid piggy backing on your
point, there's these electricsignals, there's these nerve
signals, but there's also thisfascial, which is also all part
of the same process.
Under-discussed, under-utilized,but in terms of resiliency and
quote-unquote bulletproofingyour body, this is bullseye
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center of the whole game righthere.
SPEAKER_00 (27:54):
Absolutely.
People don't have a lot of timeor they don't have a lot of
strength in the beginning.
Usually start them from theground up feet lower legs and
then up the chain so that ispart of our our approach right
there so next topic being acustomer of coaching services
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even as a coach
SPEAKER_02 (28:18):
yeah i think um i think one thing that's been
indispensable for me in thejourney of Becoming a better
coach and even more so becominga better practitioner has been
having a second pair of eyes.
I think maybe a lot oftherapists could say the same
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thing.
I think a lot of people in a lotof industries in the medical
profession could say the samething as having a mentor, having
a coach, having an invaluableresource like that.
Should at no point in your lifebecome dispensable, I think that
there should always be an eyetowards How can I find ways to
refine my practice?
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How can I continue to ensurethat my practice doesn't get
stagnant?
Obviously, there are ways toprobably do it without hiring a
coach per se, but I think forme, throughout all these years,
mentorship has beenindispensable.
And it takes a lot of hubris, inmy opinion, to get to a point in
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your career where it's like,I've got it all figured out.
This is the end of me learning.
And it's like, well, I think forlearning, I think books are
great.
I think podcasts are great.
I think talking to people isgreat.
But I think having a formalrelationship is, for me
personally, my opinion, ideal.
Because it's formal.
There's accountability.
There's feedback.
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And I think for me personally,having feedback, especially at
this stage in my career,detailed feedback and very
granular feedback isindispensable.
I love serving my clients.
And I serve my clients best whenI feel like I'm on my cutting
edge.
Yeah.
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with many other parts of mygame, including my original
handstand goal, which I used toget my third ATG certification.
Getting a handstand was also acrazy journey for me because
I've had shoulder issues andback issues.
So just wanted to speak to theimportance of, I guess,
regardless of your profession,but for me as a coach,
continuing to have a coach.
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As a consumer or as a customerof fitness, even someone who's
not a coach, having a coach isindispensable.
It's just a great part of thehuman experience, in my opinion.
Allison?
SPEAKER_00 (30:56):
I've had many coaches in my career, and I
really thrive on mentorship aswell.
I don't think I'd be where I amtoday if I hadn't hired coaches
myself because, like you said, Iwant to be the most– I guess,
nuanced version of myself that Ican be for my clients so that I
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can help them.
I can only help them as much asI've helped myself.
And I think it's justinvaluable, especially in this
day and age where we have allthis technology to actually have
a person that you can have arelationship with and that you
can also, someone who can seewhat you're doing and maybe give
you feedback on things maybe youcan't see about yourself, right?
(31:42):
Some things you haven't noticedbefore.
And And so that opens up thewhole exploration curiosity
thing is like, wow, maybe I canget better at this, right?
And I didn't think about it likethat before.
So not only does the coach givefeedback, accountability, but it
also a good coach really showsyou your potential or gives you
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like an entrance into it, right?
And guide you there.
I think you're going to get somuch more out of your fitness
experience if you do in mypersonal opinion, because so
many people, I mean, I guess youcould say they waste a lot of
time, they get injured trying toresearch themselves and figure
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it out or look on YouTube, youknow, and I mean, you can do
that.
That's fine.
You can do it yourself.
But also, if you just even havea coach for a small amount of
time, and you just get some kindof direction on what you need to
be doing, that's going to saveyou a whole lot of time and
energy right there, too.
SPEAKER_01 (32:45):
earlier adam was my trainer years ago and then like
a few years later like when welike reconnected and started
doing all this like he'sdefinitely helped me like he's
you know had a keen eye duringlike my uh atg career i guess so
you could say and like uhprogress franz has helped me um
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trying to like get my hamstringsunlocked a lot lately so there's
certain things i wouldn't beable to do now if I didn't have
coaches helping me along theway.
Cause you know, any, anyone canreally like find a program and
follow it, but you could bedoing it wrong the whole time
and making things worse withoutsomeone there to kind of point
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those things out.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (33:32):
Steven and I actually had this exact same
conversation earlier today whenwe were doing our Franz, my
Franz homework.
I pointed to the whiteboardbecause we have all of our
clients' programs written withgood penmanship on the
whiteboard.
And I said, I think I said thisto Steven, I said, coaching
isn't the marker.
Coaching is the white spacebetween the marker.
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And I think that that's what somany customers, consumers,
clients are maybe missing outwhen they're shopping.
Not anyone.
Writing a program requires a tonof understanding of the
individual and a lot of nuance,even if it doesn't Mm-hmm.
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so many things in our cultureare kind of sending us down a
road of disassociation becausethere's so much overstimulation
out there.
What a wonderful time.
What a wonderful opportunity toreconnect with yourself by
feeling yourself.
And I think if you're kind oflike, I think it happens to me
too, like be kind of working outkind of on your phone, kind of
thinking about what's going tohappen later in the day, kind of
reflecting upon what happenedearlier in the day.
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And you're like, your mind isall over the place.
And it's like, when you're withyour coach, like you can kind of
like create this space whereit's like, Oh, pause.
Oh, pause right there.
Do you feel that?
And it's like, maybe they didn'tbefore, but they do now.
That white space.
SPEAKER_00 (35:09):
I love that, Adam.
That was really, really wellsaid and resonated with that so
much.
Yes, it is a chance to connectwith yourself, right?
That's really what it comes downto.
And it's giving, you're allowingyourself space.
You're making yourself importantenough to spend time with
yourself.
And that's what the coachprovides.
It provides, the coach providesthat space that contains
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basically for you to do thatright and I think that like you
said it's so valuable these daysbecause we're trying to fly
through everything right andwe're not really taking time you
know we just talked about thissense of urgency we've been
feeling from people lately andthe energy of that and all that
and it is a sense of urgency Ifeel like there's like a low
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grade anxiety because we aren'treally spending time with
ourselves right we're notactually taking the time to sit
with ourselves and really justbe with our bodies right that's
what embodiment is is you'rebringing all your energy back
into you into your body andfeeling like you said and so
this is the practice of feelingit's a practice of being able to
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be in the moment which is soimportant like that's a
spiritual practice right therethat you can do in the gym
SPEAKER_02 (36:24):
I feel like the American garage is like such a
character in our zeitgeist yeahMicrosoft was started in the
garage um like cliff bars and Iwant to say now so many of the
biggest podcasts in the worldlike Marc Maron I'm a huge fan
of Tim Heidecker they're intheir garages in many cases so
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it's like there's this wonderfulsort of cultural experience
around a garage I think peoplekind of like the American
kitchen the garage is kind of aweird magnet for energy I think
that we love garages and Allisonyou have an amazing garage gym
and I'm going to toot my ownhorn I also have an amazing
garage gym there is some thingthat is really magical about
talking about containers andalso talking about garages
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within the realm of containers.
I didn't intend to have a garagegym per se.
COVID sort of created thismagical place partially and my
own intention created itpartially.
But I just wanted to say like,there's something really special
about having a boutique space.
There's something really specialabout having a container that is
a little bit unique and a littlebit, what's the word I would
(37:29):
say?
Not quite sentimental, but it'svery personal.
So Yeah, what a great time tokind of work on creating the
perfect container.
I think a huge part of coachingis doing that in this way.
SPEAKER_00 (37:43):
That was really well said.
All right.
And the last part here, I'mgoing to get you to take the
reins on this one.
SPEAKER_02 (37:52):
What makes coaching rewarding to someone who's been
in an industry for 10 plusyears?
And I think this happensregardless of your industry.
If you've been painting cars for10 years, if you've been doing
agriculture for 10 years, ormaybe 20 years, or maybe 30
years, when the decades startaccumulating, I think that each
individual person in their ownway has to make sure that the
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practice is invigorated.
There's probably a spectrum ofburnout for each industry.
Like every industry kind of haslike their own sort of
propensity to burn out.
I think training is really highup on that list.
I think statistically speaking,I think only because the future
can be uncertain economicallyfor a lot of coaches.
It's kind of, it can be bumpy inthat regard in certain ways.
And I think also you're dealingwith a lot of energies, you
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know, cause you're doingcustomer service.
You're also doing really deepwork with people and the amount
of focus and memory that'srequired in this job is, um, I
think a lot of customers and,and, um, um and clients maybe
don't fully understand how muchhard drive space spiritual hard
drive space and mental harddrive space is required to be a
great coach because i think thislittle area between my eyebrows
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gets so much work because i'malways focusing and squinting
and um just watching all thesethese wonderful nuanced things
throughout the day and andmemorizing them you have these
these clients that you've hadfor years in certain cases in my
case i've had clients for 10years and it's like you know
them so well so i guess what imean to say for is I am
continually soul-searching andtrying to intellectualize ways
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that I can keep this practiceexciting for myself, keep it as
exciting as possible for mywonderful clients, and also to
continue to make sure that I'mforging into new areas.
And I think this is such animportant thing to do as an
individual practitioner.
So I just kind of wanted tospeak to that a little bit.
And maybe one small example ofhow I'm doing that right now is
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working with Franz.
Yeah, absolutely.
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what my potential is and I'vecontinued to find that that well
goes a lot deeper than I everthought that it did whatever we
can do to make sure that's stillhappening for us because it
benefits us which is wonderfulbut it benefits our practice
which is more important and itbenefits our community which is
even more important than that
SPEAKER_00 (40:33):
you know of course a lot of coaches we take on
probably more clients than weneed to in the very beginning we
burn ourselves out and then wehave no time for ourselves at
the end of the day we have notime for our own training and so
that's how you get burnt out soyou have to work in time for
yourself.
So you can experiment also withmoves.
I do that all the time.
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The gym is like my playground.
I go there to play and toexperiment with different
exercises and to see how theywork, how they feel, how it
changes my body and all of thesethings.
So I can actually take that theninto my practice and help my
clients with that.
But if I hadn't experienced itfirst, I don't know if I would
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be able to honestly give themsomething that I hadn't
experienced myself.
You know, so I feel like this isvery important for each coach to
take care of themselves and tobe able to take care of their
own needs, especially as itrelates to their fitness, right?
You're a fitness coach.
You want to be able to attend toyour own fitness.
(41:38):
That's a top priority.
You have to be what you wantyour clients to be, right?
If you want your clients to showyou certain things that you want
them to show up and beconsistent and get stronger.
You have to be that first.
You really do.
And that's a practice I've beenimplementing a lot lately is
just, okay, if I'm, you know,not seeing something that I want
(41:59):
to see outside of me, I'm goingto be that.
And so that's a practice initself.
But that means basically thatyou have to just start doing it
yourself, right?
You have to have the love forit, the joy for it.
(42:19):
Keep getting, being curiousabout it and, and, and keep
exploring, you know, like thatis what also will, will bring
people to you because they'regoing to feel that in you.
They're going to feel thatenergy from you.
So I think that's a, I know Igot burned out.
I've gotten burned out many,many times, many phases in my
career.
(42:40):
And now I'm, I give myselfenough space in my week.
I don't overschedule myself andI give myself enough space for
myself so that i can show upfully present for my clients
absolutely allison
SPEAKER_02 (42:53):
yeah it's really important to know um as a
customer because i am a customerof services too that um it's
really important to factor a lotof these things in when you're
shopping because there can be ithink even for me too it can be
a little bit of sticker shockabout oh it maybe seems kind of
expensive but when you start toreel it back and zoom that
camera ones back you're like ohthis is this is my well-being
(43:14):
and in certain cases uh can meanthe difference between maybe
like assisted living versusindependent living so it's it's
these ramifications are huge umbut just wanted to say um Yeah.
Yeah.
(43:57):
your time and money as a humanso much of the human experience
is just being in your body andand being able to feel feel
yourself working as well as youcan
SPEAKER_00 (44:06):
thank you so much for coming on this has been an
incredible conversation I knewit was was gonna be really good
can you guys leave the audiencewith you know your information
where they can find you so
SPEAKER_01 (44:18):
yeah both of us are we're working at no easy feet no
easy feet calm there's a lotmore information about us there
as well.
Um, the Instagram page is alsojust at no easy feet.
Um, there's a, we've got amonthly newsletter as well.
Sorry.
(44:38):
The Instagram is no easy feetgym.
Um, but both of us are featuredon there.
There's a lot of goodinformation.
Adam's got a lot of good, um,reels, um, talking about stuff
almost every day.
So yeah.
And yeah, like Adam mentionedearlier, we're located in a,
like kind of the Montevillaneighborhood of Portland.
in Portland.
(45:00):
Even if you're not in Portland,there's, you know, opportunities
for like virtual coaching aswell.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (45:06):
And how do we find you, Allison?
SPEAKER_00 (45:08):
Thank you.
Thank you.
Well, I am in Southeast Portlandin the Brooklyn neighborhood.
I also have a really beautifulgarage gym and Adam has really
inspired me to upgrade my space.
I mean, oh my God, I got soexcited when I saw his space.
I was like, I want to do this,this and this.
And it's also got the ATGequipment as well.
And you can find me at Ofcourse, pureenergypdx.com.
(45:32):
I do mostly in person.
The online coaching I do isthrough my Finally Thriving
community.
It's a group coaching community,and it's a monthly membership.
So if you want to do online,that's how I do online coaching,
and I give everybody monthlyworkouts there, and we go
through nutrition as well.
But if you want to see me inPortland, you can set up a
(45:56):
consultation with me throughpureenergypdx.com.
So thank you guys so much forcoming on.
This has been a pleasure and anhonor to have you here.
SPEAKER_02 (46:05):
Yeah, thank you.
It's been really great.
Pleasure and an honor.
Thank you, Allison.
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