April 29, 2025 • 33 mins
In this nourishing instalment of our "Soulful Chats" series, host Tatiana welcomes clinical psychologist Aphrodite Papageorgiou to explore the powerful intersection of psychology and spirituality. With over 18 years of experience across public, private, and forensic sectors, Aphrodite shares her journey of integrating spiritual practices into both her personal life and professional practice. Discover how motherhood became a catalyst for deeper spiritual exploration and how embracing spirituality has transformed her approach to mental health treatment.
Key Topics
- The evolution from religious upbringing to personal spiritual practice
- How cultural concepts like the "evil eye" formed early spiritual awareness
- The transformative impact of motherhood on spiritual awakening
- Evidence-based approaches to integrating spirituality into clinical psychology
- The concept of "SoulCare" versus traditional self-care practices
- Breaking generational cycles through personal spiritual healing
Guest Spotlight: Aphrodite Papageorgiou
Aphrodite is a clinical psychologist, certified EMDR therapist, licensed Creatrix® facilitator, and founder of She Reigns Collective. Her work focuses on trauma recovery, women's mental health, and empowerment, with a special emphasis on supporting women through motherhood. After recognizing the lack of support for "the woman behind the mother," Aphrodite created She Reigns Collective to help women redefine modern motherhood while maintaining their authentic selves.
Notable Insights
- The limitation of traditional religion versus personal spiritual connection
- How cultural practices around energy (like the evil eye) provide tangible examples of spiritual concepts
- The freedom that comes from practicing psychology from a place of wholeness
- Why motherhood often catalyzes spiritual transformation
- The importance of consistent spiritual practice, even in small daily moments
Resource Recommendation
Book: "The Key to Self-Liberation: Encyclopedia of Psychosomatics" by Christian Beerlandt A comprehensive reference exploring the psychological and spiritual origins of physical and mental conditions.
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Tatiana (00:00):
Before we dive into today's episode, I wanted to
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share something special withyou.
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screw trial into therapy, youmight be wondering where to
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Now, today's episode.
Welcome to the Integrated WisdomPodcast.
I'm your host, Tatiana DaSilva.
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Join me as we discuss what itmeans to live an integrated life
and explore ways for you tocreate a life filled with
greater meaning, peace andconnection by integrating the
wisdom of spirituality,psychology.
Neuroscience, epigenetics andenergy psychology.
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I hope to empower you to createdeeper and more loving
connections with yourself andothers, whilst also paving the
way for humanity at large to bereimagined and inspired to
become the very best version ofit.
Hello and welcome to theIntegrated Wisdom Podcast.
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Thank you so much for joining mefor yet another week.
I'm very excited to bringanother installment of the very
popular soulful Chats segment,and today I have the absolute
pleasure Of being joined by mydear friend and colleague,
Aphrodite Papageorgiou.
Aphrodite is a clinicalpsychologist, certified EMDR
therapist, licensed Cfacilitator, and the founder of
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Shires Collective.
With over 18 years of experiencein mental health across the
public, private, and forensicsectors, she brings their wealth
of expertise in helpingindividuals heal from trauma,
overcome adversity, and breakfree from ingrained emotional
patterns to lead more meaningfulintentional lives.
She has a particular focus andinterest in trauma recovery,
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women's mental health andempowerment.
After becoming a mother herself,Aphrodite realized that while
there was no shortage ofparenting advice, there was very
little support for the womanbehind the mother.
This inspired her to create Shereigns collective, a dedicated
space and movement, blending herown lived experience,
psychology, mind, body, soulpractices, and female centered
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transformational methods to helpwomen redefine modern
motherhood, reclaim theirwholeness and live lives of
authenticity, purpose and joy indoing so, breaking generational
cycles, and creatingtransformative ripple effects
for future generations.
When she's not working, aroenjoys immersing herself in
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nature, family, adventure, andtravel.
She treasures her quiet momentsand saving simple pleasures like
good coffee and chocolate.
Welcome af.
Thank you so much for joining metoday.
I,
Aphrodite (03:35):
Thank you for having me here, Tatiana.
It's been a pleasure.
Tatiana (03:41):
oh, wonderful.
before we dive into thequestions, why don't you tell
people a little bit aboutyourself and what you do in the
world,
Aphrodite (03:48):
I guess I was a pretty much summed it all up,
but I am a clinicalpsychologist.
I've been a psychologist foralmost 20 years now.
I started off working with youthoffenders.
In that forensic space.
And, uh, after I had my girls Iworked in private practice
again, uh, with a trauma focusand, uh, and a particular
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interest in helping women and inwomen's mental health.
And through my own journey ofbecoming a mom, I and I guess
like so many of us were.
We meet ourselves for the firsttime through motherhood, and he
cracked me wide open.
And, uh, I guess I started myown.
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It was the catalyst of my owntransformation journey, my own
healing.
And from there I developed this.
Special, passionate interest tohelp other moms through the same
journey.
And she Rains Collective wasborn'cause I, there is a whole
heap of parenting advice and howto raise children, but not
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enough around, I guess the womenand the mom beyond Parenthood.
Tatiana (05:04):
It can be so hard for so many women, can't just to
kind of straddle both aspects ofthemselves and not lose that
sense of identity.
Aphrodite (05:13):
Absolutely.
And I guess for it wasinteresting because for me there
was it, like I knew there had tobe this, it couldn't be just
what I was experiencing.
There had to be more, but then alot of.
The other mums around me didn'tfeel that way.
So it was almost like I wouldquestion myself as, is something
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wrong with me?
Is, am I weird to even befeeling this way?
Is, am I selfish?
Am I just taking things forgranted?
And not just counting myblessings the way I should?
So there's going my mind at themoment.
Sorry, that was my dog justshaking.
So, yeah.
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But I.
There, it was something that wasmissing that I, I needed to
follow through for my ownjourney and my own awakening.
Uh.
Tatiana (06:04):
Yeah, it's really interesting, and I don't know if
this will come up as we starttalking about your journey with
spirituality specifically, but alot of the ladies that I've had
through here have also mentionedthat the transition to
motherhood became such anintegral, pivotal point for
their spiritual.
Transformational spiritualjourney.
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So I'll be interested to hearif, you know, you found the same
for yourself as we go throughthis, so maybe that's a good
place for us to start.
Like what do you think sparkedyour interest in spirituality
when in the very beginning.
Aphrodite (06:39):
I always grew up with religion, so religion was a big
part of our household.
And my upbringing also the, inparticular Christianity, in the
Greek Orthodox religion, but itwas also, uh, very much, in our
family in terms of, mygrandfather was a Greek Orthodox
priest.
My uncle was a Greek Orthodoxpriest, so I was very present in
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our household.
But I never quite connected withit.
I knew there was, I always feltI was connected to some higher
source or God.
But the rules around thereligion I never quite connected
to.
So there was always somethingmissing for me and I felt I
needed something else thatreligion didn't quite give me,
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uh, at the time.
And other than I guess that itwas always a one sort of
one-on-one kind of connection.
So it was my connection to Godthrough prayer.
And putting aside all the othersort of doctrines and rules and
around it.
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But then I always was pulled anddrawn to other types of sort of
what I know now, other spiritualkind of concepts and practices.
So I would always be, you know,the child that was.
The inter crystals and Oraclecards and, uh, goddess cards and
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angel numbers and all that.
And, uh, but it was sort of apart of me.
I kept hidden, I guess.
And even going to a psychic thefew times that I did go to a
psychic, I wouldn't tell anybodybecause.
It was against our religion todo so.
The other aspect of also growingup with this concept of the evil
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eye that was more culturalrather than religious.
So we very much grew up withthat sort of phenomenon of this
evil eye.
And a very, that very muchresonated with me as well.
So spirituality has always beenpart of me.
In some way or in one way oranother.
But I think it wasn't, I wasn'treally consistently practicing
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any particular spiritual, uh, orpractice, I guess, or, uh, or
connected to anything specific.
And it wasn't until I became amom where I felt I needed more.
I, there was something missingand.
My soul was yearning for more atthat deep soul level, and I
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just, I was on this search totry and find what that thing
was.
And the first I guess other thanthe, you know, the more
traditional practices like yourmindfulness and breath work and
meditation and, being out innature and anything that was
going to fill my carb, the firstthing I came across, which was
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so powerful, was this method ofcreatrix, which was really about
targeting those wounds, all thatconditioning, all the inherited
patterns, those generational.
Patterns at that deep core levelin a way that was quick.
It was easy.
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I didn't, it didn't require meto go into any past memories or
traumas.
And uh, it was just somethingthat just blew my mind.
'cause it was so different fromthe traditional psychology
methods that I was using.
And that was my first experienceof something alternative and
healing.
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So healing and deeply moretransformative,
Tatiana (10:27):
Yeah.
So what would you say was thevery first spiritual concept
that be you began your journeywith
Aphrodite (10:35):
I would say the concept of the evil eye.
Tatiana (10:38):
the evil eye?
Yeah.
Aphrodite (10:40):
That just this concept that of energy and
people's negative energy in theform of.
Whether intentionally orunintentionally that comes out
as envy in some way.
Uh, was, yeah that, that wassomething that has always, and
still is something that I trulybelieve in and or, and also my
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grandmother and my auntie havingpractices to what we know to be
able to remove that evil eye andseeing how they do it.
It was, yeah, that wasdefinitely a, I was very much
exposed to that from a young ageand knowing that there is
something beyond what we canphysically see.
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There is, uh, there is oursouls, our soul and energy and
something Yeah.
Beyond what we are cognitivelyand physically and emotionally.
Tatiana (11:40):
Yeah, it's so funny 'cause I mean obviously there's
that concept of evil eye, itchanges culturally, but it's
still the same in a lot ofMediterranean cultures, Italian,
you know, Greeks obviously.
I think the Turks also have aversion of this.
And like my great grandmother.
Who was Italian, she very muchlike I was born in Brazil as you
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know, but of, I have mixedEuropean and other ethnicities
mixed up and my.
Italian great-grandmother, shevery much believed in the
concept of evil eye in theirversion of that.
And she also did these blessingsand things to, you know, to
cleanse us.
I remember being like a child.
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My mom would take us to mygreat-grandmother for that
reason.
And so there's these intuitiveof spiritual cultural wisdom,
right, in so many differentcultures that.
It's just being, it's an ancientunderstanding that we have this
energetic impact on each
Aphrodite (12:41):
Absolutely.
Tatiana (12:42):
On an emotional, and even like, it's, it starts with
thought form, right?
Like the person might have anegative thought form or an
envious thought form as youmentioned, and the, that, that
generates some type of energeticimprint that can then have con
like an impact on the person onthe receiving end of that
thought
Aphrodite (13:01):
Oh, absolutely.
You would get these like when Iwould, what we call, when I
would have the evil eye, you.
Uh, really intense migraineslike, and you just dunno where
they've come from.
And so, and then every time thatthese prayers or what, whatever
was done to remove the evil eye,usually it was either through
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prayers or through this methodof putting oil and water
together.
And if it formed it notable, itwould, it was a way of removing
it.
Tatiana (13:33):
Oh
Aphrodite (13:34):
but then it would just, this migraine would just.
Disappear.
I don't call it placebo, I don'tknow, but it was just, yeah, it,
but what you just said, this youknow, we are energy, so it's,
there is definitely a basis toit that we absorb a lot of, you
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know, other people's with a goodor bad energy and the impact
that it can have on a person.
Their thoughts are not pure.
Tatiana (14:06):
Absolutely.
And like you said, sometimesit's unintentional, right?
But yeah, but we have, it canhave these impacts, so it's,
yeah, it's fascinating.
so once you started then, Iguess diving more deeply into
spiritual concepts, whatbenefits have you observed that
has had in your life personally,like on a personal level?
Aphrodite (14:26):
I think for me it's just being able to integrate
different parts of myself andjust getting.
Back to this sense of wholeness,uh, but not just at a, not just
at a surface level, but at thisreal soul level.
And knowing that I am held andguided by something bigger than
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me.
So, and just being able to trustthat whatever's happening in my
life, there's.
It is.
It is what it is.
My life is just, you know, I'mon this journey and.
And it is unfolding in the waythat it's meant to.
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And just having that trust andbeing able to just surrender and
let go rather than always havingto try and control and fix.
'cause for me, for a long timeit was all about trying to
control, trying to fix things,trying to get it right, trying
to, yeah, just really not.
Uh, just not being able to justsort of let go and let my life
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unfold the way it's meant to andjust even be, and finding more
peace in that.
Now through this, throughspirituality and practices that
I have been able to, I guess,maintain consistently.
Tatiana (15:51):
Yeah.
Fabulous.
And what about on a professionallevel?
Have you found that it hasenhanced your practice, your
psychological practice?
Aphrodite (15:59):
Absolutely.
And I think I, I mean, I'vealways been quite intuitive with
my clients I, That clinicalframework, but I've always I
never quite knew how to.
Bring that spiritual orconfidently speak about
spirituality or introducepractices in, uh, in the
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therapeutic space.
And it, and through your course,Tatiana.
It just gave me so much moreconfidence to be able to do that
in a way with integrity ratherthan feeling like I'm imposing.
And it's just been a gamechanger.
It really has.
And even just seeing how I wasmissing such an integral part of
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even not exploring a client'sspirituality.
And now that's coming to thepicture, able to approach it
from this more holisticperspective.
And honoring them, not honoringthe client as well.
I think it, it definitely helpswith their own healing and it's,
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and it moves beyond that symptomlevel.
It allows for that deeperhealing and deeper deeper work
to occur more naturally.
Tatiana (17:18):
Oh, it makes my heart very happy to hear that's what
you've been experiencing.
Aphrodite (17:21):
wonderful.
Thank you for what you do.
Tatiana (17:26):
Oh, thank you.
I always embarrassed aboutthese, but thank you.
That's very kind.
Aphrodite (17:32):
I think you're I don't know you, I dunno if
you're underestimating the powerof what you do, but it's just so
valuable and so powerful.
Tatiana (17:41):
Thank you.
But I imagine that maybe you hadsome fears around inco, like, I
guess blending the psychologicaland the spiritual on a
professional level.
Like as you know, I had a lot offears around this and I found so
many people also did.
But how did you transcend someof that?
'cause you've, it sounds likeyou've been incorporating it in
some ways throughout your work.
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How what helped you be able todo that?
Aphrodite (18:05):
Just to be able to have that evidence-based.
You know, basis for it that youbring, uh, through your
teachings and and to know andjust even knowing that we are
not just our physical mentor andemotional, there is, we do have
a soul that we need to honor.
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There is that part of us that wecan't neglect and even just.
Being able to hear some of thatevidence-based and that bridge
that you bring to the scienceand the spirituality has really
helped me, again, feel moreconfident, but also do it in a
way where I can back it up.
Now, I don't have to be, it'snot something I'm not doing
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anything wrong that I need to befearful of or there's
repercussions around.
I am honoring the whole person.
And that's been just reallyliberating to be able to do
that.
Tatiana (19:02):
yeah.
Yeah, I feel the same way as youknow, and it's so exciting to
see that there is such a body ofevidence, you know, like it's
not talked about enough.
But that the evidence has beenthere for a while, just in
hiding.
And so, yeah, it's verycomforting to know that we can
talk about these things to, toour clients and give them
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permission to do the same, totalk about, you know, their
soul.
Needs and perspectives.
Uh, and in fact that's a, anintegral part of helping them
heal and navigate life, right?
Aphrodite (19:36):
And I guess beforehand I would tend to do
it, for example, through acultural lens or or.
Where it was more obvious whenit was related to grief and loss
in some way.
But now just to be able to bringit up more comfortably and
seeing the response I get from alot of the, a lot of my clients
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really warms my heart.
It's just, it's.
It, and it just makes it so muchmore exciting as well, just to
be able to talk about all thatstuff that I find Fascinat, that
I'm fascinated with as well.
It just brings a new dimensionto therapy.
Tatiana (20:19):
It really does.
I remember for a period of timewhen I wasn't quite that
confident to do it, I alwaysfelt like I was working with my
hands tied behind my back.
You know, like these insightswould come into my mind and I
didn't feel like I could sharethem.
So yeah, it definitely creates asense of freedom,
Aphrodite (20:35):
Absolutely.
Tatiana (20:36):
And depth.
Yeah.
And
Aphrodite (20:37):
And freedom.
Absolutely.
Tatiana (20:40):
So I think we've already kind of answered this
next question, but, and startedmaking a bit of a case for it.
But from your perspective, whatvalue do you see for other
psychologists and therapists inparticular to embrace their
spiritual selves?
Or at least start being curiousabout spirituality?
Aphrodite (20:58):
I think.
You are practicing from a placeof wholeness, and I think, I
believe that you can only reallymeet your clients where they're
at when you coming from the mostauthentic place of yourself, uh,
and I guess the most healedplace of yourself.
So just even being able to comefrom that place of wholeness and
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hold that space for yourclients.
Tatiana (21:24):
Okay.
Aphrodite (21:25):
And approaching it with curiosity and integrity
Again, rather than imposing anyviews.
Not that we do that anyway, butit just allows, I guess, more
expansiveness in our sessions,more freedom, as you said, you
know, more depth that goesbeyond just coping and symptom
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relief.
It deeper.
That's where the magic happens.
I, I believe,
Tatiana (21:56):
Fantastic.
And so what would you say if youhad to pick one, one
transformative aspect ofembracing spirituality more
fully, but both on a personaland a professional level for
you, what would you say thatwould be?
Aphrodite (22:16):
I am all about this concept of SoulCare, not just
self-care, anything that's goingto nourish your soul, whether
it's sitting.
Like for me could just literallyjust being in silence and
stillness.
I'm not necessarily meditating,but even just sitting in
stillness and silence surroundedby the most beautiful ocean
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view, I'm like, it's that aweand wonder that you speak of.
Like, that just nourishes mysoul.
That just fuels my soul.
Any big or small moments thattruly connect at that deeper.
Soul level.
I think even just startingthere, whatever that looks like
for people, whether it's aminute a day, whether it's an
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hour, what, whatever time atwhat, you know, however many,
much time you have, just to beable to really connect with
yourself.
Tatiana (23:11):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's more about the consistency,isn't it?
Like you can start with thetiniest step, but as long as
it's every day and build there.
Yeah.
Oh, how wonderful.
Aphrodite (23:22):
into what that looks like for, you know, for each
person because everyone's gotthat something.
Tatiana (23:28):
Yeah.
Aphrodite (23:29):
so I would say just as a practice, just even
starting there, that's been myconsistent, I guess that would
be the most consistent practicefor me that I've.
You amongst motherhood andrunning a household and you
know, it's sometimes the chaosof it all.
Just finding those moments.
Tatiana (23:50):
On that.
Can I ask you has motherhood hadany impact on your relationship
with spirituality?
And it's okay if it hasn't.
I'm just curious.
Aphrodite (24:02):
It has, I don't know motherhood per se, but obviously
the experience of motherhood asa catalyst for me to be more
connect, connected to myspiritual, my sp that spiritual
part of me.
Uh, because when, especiallywhen I.
I did have to surrender.
I couldn't control everything.
I, there, all I, all thestruggles in all the
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overwhelming, what felt likechaos and where I felt like I've
lost so much of my, of theperson that I knew.
Spirituality did help ground meand reconnect to myself again.
And I, and it's exactly what Ineeded to be able to I guess
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heal at that.
Heal my wounds, meet my needs,meet those needs that were unmet
for a long time, and also breakthe cycles for my girls because.
For many of us moms, we feellike, you know, we're the worst
moms in the world and we don'twanna damage our children.
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Uh, but it all starts fromourselves.
And also seeing that when Iworked with youth offenders and
working in broken systems wherethe mental health of the mother
was so important, uh, and.
I guess the support of the mo,uh, being able to support the
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mother so she can be the bestfor her own children.
Seeing that through that lens,but also through my own
experience of motherhood aswell, and with and in therapy as
well, with the women, I workedwith the men, the wellbeing of
the mum is key, and I dideverything I could.
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I didn't just settle in anothersort of broken system.
Or that we are in thatmotherhood system, that we are
in that patriarchal system.
I just couldn't settle for that.
I knew there had to be more andfinding ways, whatever way I
could to help myself, but alsohelp, uh, other women.
I think that's where Spirituspirituality played such a big
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part in my journey and my own, Iguess, awakening.
Tatiana (26:22):
Yeah.
Oh, that's so beautiful.
Thank you for sharing that.
I, you know, like I said at thestart, I think for so many women
that motherhood is atransformative experience,
right?
On so many levels.
I mean, not for so many, for, Ithink for all women, but the
degree to which it leads to trato transformation changes,
obviously.
But it can be, uh.
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It can be a deeply spiritualprocess, right?
Because you're right, itconnects you with yourself or at
least starts to spot shinespotlights on aspects of
yourself that maybe you weren'teven aware were there that
Aphrodite (26:59):
bypassing that shame and the guilt that's attached
to, you know, the judgment.
If you, there's this notion thatwe just, you know, we just go
into motherhood knowing thatbeing these naturally perfect
moms and knowing what to do, butthere's so much shame.
Around around the strugglebecause that's not consistent
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with this image of the nurturingmother, I guess.
But being able to question thatand know that, and I guess feel
that I couldn't just settle forthat.
There had to be another way.
There had to be more and.
And I think that's where, again,spirituality played a big part
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in that journey.
For me,
Tatiana (27:45):
And the recognition, right, that, like that too, to
be able to nurture into love.
You have to start from a placeof self-love and self nurture.
Yeah.
It starts with us, right?
Aphrodite (27:56):
totally starts with us and affect.
Tatiana (27:59):
Oh, absolutely.
Well, thank you so much forsharing your experience and your
insights with us.
It's been such a lovely andnourishing conversation.
Aphrodite (28:10):
Just wanna say thank you as well.
It's I just do be able to havethis conversation with you and
especially that connection withspirituality.
It means a lot.
Tatiana (28:21):
And you know, before I let you go, I always have my
guests recommend a book thatthey find transformational in
the realm of spirituality to, tosuggest to those listening who
might want to be.
Tapping into the like feedingtheir curiosity and learning a
little bit more, exploring alittle bit more about these
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concepts.
So what book for you would be aperfect place to start?
Aphrodite (28:47):
A book for, uh, I don't know if it's a perfect
place to start, but a book thathas always really caught my
attention.
It's called'tThe key to selfliberation', so it's.
It's an encyclopedia ofpsychosomatics, so it's looking
at all the psychological ororigins of our physical mental
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conditions.
Tatiana (29:10):
Oh wow.
Aphrodite (29:12):
but there's such, yeah, so it does bring in a lot
of, sort of more of thosespiritual concepts as well and
psychological basis to sufferingphysical ailments and or mental
conditions.
So it's been.
It's been like a, uh, when Ifirst came across it, and it was
through Creatrix, one of the CXfacilitators brought it up.
(29:33):
It's just been, uh, wonderfuljust to be able to have as more
of a reference rather than anactual Yeah.
Book per se, but it's more likea reference book
Tatiana (29:46):
Oh, how fantastic.
Aphrodite (29:47):
by Christian.
Oh, I can't even pronounce hername.
Christian Bland.
B double E-R-L-A-N-D-T.
Tatiana (29:57):
Okay, fantastic.
I'm gonna put a link to thatbook in the notes.
Find it.
Aphrodite (30:03):
it was that.
It was out of print for a longtime, but I believe you can get
it again.
You find it.
Tatiana (30:08):
It now.
I mean, it sounds like it sharevery similar concepts to the
work of Louise Hay.
Right.
With the, that you can heal yourlife and it talks about the
emotional basis for ailments.
Obviously that looks like it'smuch more comprehensive, just
even by the size of that.
Aphrodite (30:25):
yes.
Tatiana (30:25):
Oh, so that sounds phenomenal.
I'll definitely add that to theshow notes, so anyone who's
interested can have a look atit.
Aphrodite (30:31):
definitely.
Tatiana (30:32):
But why don't you tell everybody a little bit about, I
guess, where they can find youif they wanna work with you.
You've got some incrediblethings coming up in your remains
collective sphere or universe.
Aphrodite (30:45):
so I do, uh, the best way to find me is, I guess
through, through social.
So either through Instagram orFacebook.
Uh, and I can give you the linksfor those if you like.
Uh, but I do have, uh, a groupprogram coming up, uh, later in
the year just, and I guess I'mjust finalizing dates now, but
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I'm.
For anyone that's interested inthat, they definitely get in
touch and also very much justI've, I'll have a, an opt-in
coming out very soon around.
It's a guide to.
To, to cycle sinking.
So working with your, thefeminine your feminine wisdom
and rhythm, and to be more inflow with your day to day in
(31:34):
areas of productivity,self-care, nutrition, exercise.
So that's something that'sprobably coming out a lot
sooner.
So I'll, uh, I can also passthat on to you as well.
Tatiana (31:47):
Yes, that sounds fantastic.
I'll put a link to all of these,your socials, to the book you
recommended.
And when you have, when theopt-in is available, I'll update
the show notes as well foranyone who's interested.
But obviously going into yoursocials, it's probably going to
be the best place to, to stay todate with where you're at.
Aphrodite (32:06):
For sure and I look forward to connecting with
anyone that has an interest.
I'd love to have a chat.
Tatiana (32:15):
I mean, I highly recommend anything that you that
you produce because you are themama of mamas,
Aphrodite (32:20):
Oh, thank you.
Thank you.
Tatiana (32:22):
but the most soothing, nurturing energy, and I know
that they'll be in veryexcellent
Aphrodite (32:28):
Oh, thank you.
Appreciate you saying that.
Tatiana (32:31):
Uh, well thank you so much for this conversation and
for joining me again.
Thank you all for listening, andwe'll see you all next time.
Aphrodite (32:40):
Thanks.
Bye everyone.
Tatiana (32:45):
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Hello and welcome to theIntegrated Wisdom Podcast.
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Thank you so much for joining mefor yet another week.
I'm very excited to bringanother installment of the very
popular soulful Chats segment,and today I have the absolute
pleasure Of being joined by mydear friend and colleague,
Aphrodite Papageorgiou.
Aphrodite is a clinicalpsychologist, certified EMDR
therapist, licensed Cfacilitator, and the founder of
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Shires Collective.
With over 18 years of experiencein mental health across the
public, private, and forensicsectors, she brings their wealth
of expertise in helpingindividuals heal from trauma,
overcome adversity, and breakfree from ingrained emotional
patterns to lead more meaningfulintentional lives.
She has a particular focus andinterest in trauma recovery,
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women's mental health andempowerment.
After becoming a mother herself,Aphrodite realized that while
there was no shortage ofparenting advice, there was very
little support for the womanbehind the mother.
This inspired her to create Shereigns collective, a dedicated
space and movement, blending herown lived experience,
psychology, mind, body, soulpractices, and female centered
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transformational methods to helpwomen redefine modern
motherhood, reclaim theirwholeness and live lives of
authenticity, purpose and joy indoing so, breaking generational
cycles, and creatingtransformative ripple effects
for future generations.
When she's not working, aroenjoys immersing herself in
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nature, family, adventure, andtravel.
She treasures her quiet momentsand saving simple pleasures like
good coffee and chocolate.
Welcome af.
Thank you so much for joining metoday.
I,
Aphrodite (03:35):
Thank you for having me here, Tatiana.
It's been a pleasure.
Tatiana (03:41):
oh, wonderful.
before we dive into thequestions, why don't you tell
people a little bit aboutyourself and what you do in the
world,
Aphrodite (03:48):
I guess I was a pretty much summed it all up,
but I am a clinicalpsychologist.
I've been a psychologist foralmost 20 years now.
I started off working with youthoffenders.
In that forensic space.
And, uh, after I had my girls Iworked in private practice
again, uh, with a trauma focusand, uh, and a particular
(04:11):
interest in helping women and inwomen's mental health.
And through my own journey ofbecoming a mom, I and I guess
like so many of us were.
We meet ourselves for the firsttime through motherhood, and he
cracked me wide open.
And, uh, I guess I started myown.
(04:35):
It was the catalyst of my owntransformation journey, my own
healing.
And from there I developed this.
Special, passionate interest tohelp other moms through the same
journey.
And she Rains Collective wasborn'cause I, there is a whole
heap of parenting advice and howto raise children, but not
(04:55):
enough around, I guess the womenand the mom beyond Parenthood.
Tatiana (05:04):
It can be so hard for so many women, can't just to
kind of straddle both aspects ofthemselves and not lose that
sense of identity.
Aphrodite (05:13):
Absolutely.
And I guess for it wasinteresting because for me there
was it, like I knew there had tobe this, it couldn't be just
what I was experiencing.
There had to be more, but then alot of.
The other mums around me didn'tfeel that way.
So it was almost like I wouldquestion myself as, is something
(05:33):
wrong with me?
Is, am I weird to even befeeling this way?
Is, am I selfish?
Am I just taking things forgranted?
And not just counting myblessings the way I should?
So there's going my mind at themoment.
Sorry, that was my dog justshaking.
So, yeah.
(05:54):
But I.
There, it was something that wasmissing that I, I needed to
follow through for my ownjourney and my own awakening.
Uh.
Tatiana (06:04):
Yeah, it's really interesting, and I don't know if
this will come up as we starttalking about your journey with
spirituality specifically, but alot of the ladies that I've had
through here have also mentionedthat the transition to
motherhood became such anintegral, pivotal point for
their spiritual.
Transformational spiritualjourney.
(06:25):
So I'll be interested to hearif, you know, you found the same
for yourself as we go throughthis, so maybe that's a good
place for us to start.
Like what do you think sparkedyour interest in spirituality
when in the very beginning.
Aphrodite (06:39):
I always grew up with religion, so religion was a big
part of our household.
And my upbringing also the, inparticular Christianity, in the
Greek Orthodox religion, but itwas also, uh, very much, in our
family in terms of, mygrandfather was a Greek Orthodox
priest.
My uncle was a Greek Orthodoxpriest, so I was very present in
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our household.
But I never quite connected withit.
I knew there was, I always feltI was connected to some higher
source or God.
But the rules around thereligion I never quite connected
to.
So there was always somethingmissing for me and I felt I
needed something else thatreligion didn't quite give me,
(07:28):
uh, at the time.
And other than I guess that itwas always a one sort of
one-on-one kind of connection.
So it was my connection to Godthrough prayer.
And putting aside all the othersort of doctrines and rules and
around it.
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But then I always was pulled anddrawn to other types of sort of
what I know now, other spiritualkind of concepts and practices.
So I would always be, you know,the child that was.
The inter crystals and Oraclecards and, uh, goddess cards and
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angel numbers and all that.
And, uh, but it was sort of apart of me.
I kept hidden, I guess.
And even going to a psychic thefew times that I did go to a
psychic, I wouldn't tell anybodybecause.
It was against our religion todo so.
The other aspect of also growingup with this concept of the evil
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eye that was more culturalrather than religious.
So we very much grew up withthat sort of phenomenon of this
evil eye.
And a very, that very muchresonated with me as well.
So spirituality has always beenpart of me.
In some way or in one way oranother.
But I think it wasn't, I wasn'treally consistently practicing
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any particular spiritual, uh, orpractice, I guess, or, uh, or
connected to anything specific.
And it wasn't until I became amom where I felt I needed more.
I, there was something missingand.
My soul was yearning for more atthat deep soul level, and I
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just, I was on this search totry and find what that thing
was.
And the first I guess other thanthe, you know, the more
traditional practices like yourmindfulness and breath work and
meditation and, being out innature and anything that was
going to fill my carb, the firstthing I came across, which was
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so powerful, was this method ofcreatrix, which was really about
targeting those wounds, all thatconditioning, all the inherited
patterns, those generational.
Patterns at that deep core levelin a way that was quick.
It was easy.
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I didn't, it didn't require meto go into any past memories or
traumas.
And uh, it was just somethingthat just blew my mind.
'cause it was so different fromthe traditional psychology
methods that I was using.
And that was my first experienceof something alternative and
healing.
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So healing and deeply moretransformative,
Tatiana (10:27):
Yeah.
So what would you say was thevery first spiritual concept
that be you began your journeywith
Aphrodite (10:35):
I would say the concept of the evil eye.
Tatiana (10:38):
the evil eye?
Yeah.
Aphrodite (10:40):
That just this concept that of energy and
people's negative energy in theform of.
Whether intentionally orunintentionally that comes out
as envy in some way.
Uh, was, yeah that, that wassomething that has always, and
still is something that I trulybelieve in and or, and also my
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grandmother and my auntie havingpractices to what we know to be
able to remove that evil eye andseeing how they do it.
It was, yeah, that wasdefinitely a, I was very much
exposed to that from a young ageand knowing that there is
something beyond what we canphysically see.
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There is, uh, there is oursouls, our soul and energy and
something Yeah.
Beyond what we are cognitivelyand physically and emotionally.
Tatiana (11:40):
Yeah, it's so funny 'cause I mean obviously there's
that concept of evil eye, itchanges culturally, but it's
still the same in a lot ofMediterranean cultures, Italian,
you know, Greeks obviously.
I think the Turks also have aversion of this.
And like my great grandmother.
Who was Italian, she very muchlike I was born in Brazil as you
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know, but of, I have mixedEuropean and other ethnicities
mixed up and my.
Italian great-grandmother, shevery much believed in the
concept of evil eye in theirversion of that.
And she also did these blessingsand things to, you know, to
cleanse us.
I remember being like a child.
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My mom would take us to mygreat-grandmother for that
reason.
And so there's these intuitiveof spiritual cultural wisdom,
right, in so many differentcultures that.
It's just being, it's an ancientunderstanding that we have this
energetic impact on each
Aphrodite (12:41):
Absolutely.
Tatiana (12:42):
On an emotional, and even like, it's, it starts with
thought form, right?
Like the person might have anegative thought form or an
envious thought form as youmentioned, and the, that, that
generates some type of energeticimprint that can then have con
like an impact on the person onthe receiving end of that
thought
Aphrodite (13:01):
Oh, absolutely.
You would get these like when Iwould, what we call, when I
would have the evil eye, you.
Uh, really intense migraineslike, and you just dunno where
they've come from.
And so, and then every time thatthese prayers or what, whatever
was done to remove the evil eye,usually it was either through
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prayers or through this methodof putting oil and water
together.
And if it formed it notable, itwould, it was a way of removing
it.
Tatiana (13:33):
Oh
Aphrodite (13:34):
but then it would just, this migraine would just.
Disappear.
I don't call it placebo, I don'tknow, but it was just, yeah, it,
but what you just said, this youknow, we are energy, so it's,
there is definitely a basis toit that we absorb a lot of, you
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know, other people's with a goodor bad energy and the impact
that it can have on a person.
Their thoughts are not pure.
Tatiana (14:06):
Absolutely.
And like you said, sometimesit's unintentional, right?
But yeah, but we have, it canhave these impacts, so it's,
yeah, it's fascinating.
so once you started then, Iguess diving more deeply into
spiritual concepts, whatbenefits have you observed that
has had in your life personally,like on a personal level?
Aphrodite (14:26):
I think for me it's just being able to integrate
different parts of myself andjust getting.
Back to this sense of wholeness,uh, but not just at a, not just
at a surface level, but at thisreal soul level.
And knowing that I am held andguided by something bigger than
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me.
So, and just being able to trustthat whatever's happening in my
life, there's.
It is.
It is what it is.
My life is just, you know, I'mon this journey and.
And it is unfolding in the waythat it's meant to.
(15:13):
And just having that trust andbeing able to just surrender and
let go rather than always havingto try and control and fix.
'cause for me, for a long timeit was all about trying to
control, trying to fix things,trying to get it right, trying
to, yeah, just really not.
Uh, just not being able to justsort of let go and let my life
(15:36):
unfold the way it's meant to andjust even be, and finding more
peace in that.
Now through this, throughspirituality and practices that
I have been able to, I guess,maintain consistently.
Tatiana (15:51):
Yeah.
Fabulous.
And what about on a professionallevel?
Have you found that it hasenhanced your practice, your
psychological practice?
Aphrodite (15:59):
Absolutely.
And I think I, I mean, I'vealways been quite intuitive with
my clients I, That clinicalframework, but I've always I
never quite knew how to.
Bring that spiritual orconfidently speak about
spirituality or introducepractices in, uh, in the
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therapeutic space.
And it, and through your course,Tatiana.
It just gave me so much moreconfidence to be able to do that
in a way with integrity ratherthan feeling like I'm imposing.
And it's just been a gamechanger.
It really has.
And even just seeing how I wasmissing such an integral part of
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even not exploring a client'sspirituality.
And now that's coming to thepicture, able to approach it
from this more holisticperspective.
And honoring them, not honoringthe client as well.
I think it, it definitely helpswith their own healing and it's,
(17:07):
and it moves beyond that symptomlevel.
It allows for that deeperhealing and deeper deeper work
to occur more naturally.
Tatiana (17:18):
Oh, it makes my heart very happy to hear that's what
you've been experiencing.
Aphrodite (17:21):
wonderful.
Thank you for what you do.
Tatiana (17:26):
Oh, thank you.
I always embarrassed aboutthese, but thank you.
That's very kind.
Aphrodite (17:32):
I think you're I don't know you, I dunno if
you're underestimating the powerof what you do, but it's just so
valuable and so powerful.
Tatiana (17:41):
Thank you.
But I imagine that maybe you hadsome fears around inco, like, I
guess blending the psychologicaland the spiritual on a
professional level.
Like as you know, I had a lot offears around this and I found so
many people also did.
But how did you transcend someof that?
'cause you've, it sounds likeyou've been incorporating it in
some ways throughout your work.
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How what helped you be able todo that?
Aphrodite (18:05):
Just to be able to have that evidence-based.
You know, basis for it that youbring, uh, through your
teachings and and to know andjust even knowing that we are
not just our physical mentor andemotional, there is, we do have
a soul that we need to honor.
(18:25):
There is that part of us that wecan't neglect and even just.
Being able to hear some of thatevidence-based and that bridge
that you bring to the scienceand the spirituality has really
helped me, again, feel moreconfident, but also do it in a
way where I can back it up.
Now, I don't have to be, it'snot something I'm not doing
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anything wrong that I need to befearful of or there's
repercussions around.
I am honoring the whole person.
And that's been just reallyliberating to be able to do
that.
Tatiana (19:02):
yeah.
Yeah, I feel the same way as youknow, and it's so exciting to
see that there is such a body ofevidence, you know, like it's
not talked about enough.
But that the evidence has beenthere for a while, just in
hiding.
And so, yeah, it's verycomforting to know that we can
talk about these things to, toour clients and give them
(19:23):
permission to do the same, totalk about, you know, their
soul.
Needs and perspectives.
Uh, and in fact that's a, anintegral part of helping them
heal and navigate life, right?
Aphrodite (19:36):
And I guess beforehand I would tend to do
it, for example, through acultural lens or or.
Where it was more obvious whenit was related to grief and loss
in some way.
But now just to be able to bringit up more comfortably and
seeing the response I get from alot of the, a lot of my clients
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really warms my heart.
It's just, it's.
It, and it just makes it so muchmore exciting as well, just to
be able to talk about all thatstuff that I find Fascinat, that
I'm fascinated with as well.
It just brings a new dimensionto therapy.
Tatiana (20:19):
It really does.
I remember for a period of timewhen I wasn't quite that
confident to do it, I alwaysfelt like I was working with my
hands tied behind my back.
You know, like these insightswould come into my mind and I
didn't feel like I could sharethem.
So yeah, it definitely creates asense of freedom,
Aphrodite (20:35):
Absolutely.
Tatiana (20:36):
And depth.
Yeah.
And
Aphrodite (20:37):
And freedom.
Absolutely.
Tatiana (20:40):
So I think we've already kind of answered this
next question, but, and startedmaking a bit of a case for it.
But from your perspective, whatvalue do you see for other
psychologists and therapists inparticular to embrace their
spiritual selves?
Or at least start being curiousabout spirituality?
Aphrodite (20:58):
I think.
You are practicing from a placeof wholeness, and I think, I
believe that you can only reallymeet your clients where they're
at when you coming from the mostauthentic place of yourself, uh,
and I guess the most healedplace of yourself.
So just even being able to comefrom that place of wholeness and
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hold that space for yourclients.
Tatiana (21:24):
Okay.
Aphrodite (21:25):
And approaching it with curiosity and integrity
Again, rather than imposing anyviews.
Not that we do that anyway, butit just allows, I guess, more
expansiveness in our sessions,more freedom, as you said, you
know, more depth that goesbeyond just coping and symptom
(21:48):
relief.
It deeper.
That's where the magic happens.
I, I believe,
Tatiana (21:56):
Fantastic.
And so what would you say if youhad to pick one, one
transformative aspect ofembracing spirituality more
fully, but both on a personaland a professional level for
you, what would you say thatwould be?
Aphrodite (22:16):
I am all about this concept of SoulCare, not just
self-care, anything that's goingto nourish your soul, whether
it's sitting.
Like for me could just literallyjust being in silence and
stillness.
I'm not necessarily meditating,but even just sitting in
stillness and silence surroundedby the most beautiful ocean
(22:39):
view, I'm like, it's that aweand wonder that you speak of.
Like, that just nourishes mysoul.
That just fuels my soul.
Any big or small moments thattruly connect at that deeper.
Soul level.
I think even just startingthere, whatever that looks like
for people, whether it's aminute a day, whether it's an
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hour, what, whatever time atwhat, you know, however many,
much time you have, just to beable to really connect with
yourself.
Tatiana (23:11):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's more about the consistency,isn't it?
Like you can start with thetiniest step, but as long as
it's every day and build there.
Yeah.
Oh, how wonderful.
Aphrodite (23:22):
into what that looks like for, you know, for each
person because everyone's gotthat something.
Tatiana (23:28):
Yeah.
Aphrodite (23:29):
so I would say just as a practice, just even
starting there, that's been myconsistent, I guess that would
be the most consistent practicefor me that I've.
You amongst motherhood andrunning a household and you
know, it's sometimes the chaosof it all.
Just finding those moments.
Tatiana (23:50):
On that.
Can I ask you has motherhood hadany impact on your relationship
with spirituality?
And it's okay if it hasn't.
I'm just curious.
Aphrodite (24:02):
It has, I don't know motherhood per se, but obviously
the experience of motherhood asa catalyst for me to be more
connect, connected to myspiritual, my sp that spiritual
part of me.
Uh, because when, especiallywhen I.
I did have to surrender.
I couldn't control everything.
I, there, all I, all thestruggles in all the
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overwhelming, what felt likechaos and where I felt like I've
lost so much of my, of theperson that I knew.
Spirituality did help ground meand reconnect to myself again.
And I, and it's exactly what Ineeded to be able to I guess
(24:48):
heal at that.
Heal my wounds, meet my needs,meet those needs that were unmet
for a long time, and also breakthe cycles for my girls because.
For many of us moms, we feellike, you know, we're the worst
moms in the world and we don'twanna damage our children.
(25:08):
Uh, but it all starts fromourselves.
And also seeing that when Iworked with youth offenders and
working in broken systems wherethe mental health of the mother
was so important, uh, and.
I guess the support of the mo,uh, being able to support the
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mother so she can be the bestfor her own children.
Seeing that through that lens,but also through my own
experience of motherhood aswell, and with and in therapy as
well, with the women, I workedwith the men, the wellbeing of
the mum is key, and I dideverything I could.
(25:51):
I didn't just settle in anothersort of broken system.
Or that we are in thatmotherhood system, that we are
in that patriarchal system.
I just couldn't settle for that.
I knew there had to be more andfinding ways, whatever way I
could to help myself, but alsohelp, uh, other women.
I think that's where Spirituspirituality played such a big
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part in my journey and my own, Iguess, awakening.
Tatiana (26:22):
Yeah.
Oh, that's so beautiful.
Thank you for sharing that.
I, you know, like I said at thestart, I think for so many women
that motherhood is atransformative experience,
right?
On so many levels.
I mean, not for so many, for, Ithink for all women, but the
degree to which it leads to trato transformation changes,
obviously.
But it can be, uh.
(26:45):
It can be a deeply spiritualprocess, right?
Because you're right, itconnects you with yourself or at
least starts to spot shinespotlights on aspects of
yourself that maybe you weren'teven aware were there that
Aphrodite (26:59):
bypassing that shame and the guilt that's attached
to, you know, the judgment.
If you, there's this notion thatwe just, you know, we just go
into motherhood knowing thatbeing these naturally perfect
moms and knowing what to do, butthere's so much shame.
Around around the strugglebecause that's not consistent
(27:21):
with this image of the nurturingmother, I guess.
But being able to question thatand know that, and I guess feel
that I couldn't just settle forthat.
There had to be another way.
There had to be more and.
And I think that's where, again,spirituality played a big part
(27:42):
in that journey.
For me,
Tatiana (27:45):
And the recognition, right, that, like that too, to
be able to nurture into love.
You have to start from a placeof self-love and self nurture.
Yeah.
It starts with us, right?
Aphrodite (27:56):
totally starts with us and affect.
Tatiana (27:59):
Oh, absolutely.
Well, thank you so much forsharing your experience and your
insights with us.
It's been such a lovely andnourishing conversation.
Aphrodite (28:10):
Just wanna say thank you as well.
It's I just do be able to havethis conversation with you and
especially that connection withspirituality.
It means a lot.
Tatiana (28:21):
And you know, before I let you go, I always have my
guests recommend a book thatthey find transformational in
the realm of spirituality to, tosuggest to those listening who
might want to be.
Tapping into the like feedingtheir curiosity and learning a
little bit more, exploring alittle bit more about these
(28:41):
concepts.
So what book for you would be aperfect place to start?
Aphrodite (28:47):
A book for, uh, I don't know if it's a perfect
place to start, but a book thathas always really caught my
attention.
It's called'tThe key to selfliberation', so it's.
It's an encyclopedia ofpsychosomatics, so it's looking
at all the psychological ororigins of our physical mental
(29:09):
conditions.
Tatiana (29:10):
Oh wow.
Aphrodite (29:12):
but there's such, yeah, so it does bring in a lot
of, sort of more of thosespiritual concepts as well and
psychological basis to sufferingphysical ailments and or mental
conditions.
So it's been.
It's been like a, uh, when Ifirst came across it, and it was
through Creatrix, one of the CXfacilitators brought it up.
(29:33):
It's just been, uh, wonderfuljust to be able to have as more
of a reference rather than anactual Yeah.
Book per se, but it's more likea reference book
Tatiana (29:46):
Oh, how fantastic.
Aphrodite (29:47):
by Christian.
Oh, I can't even pronounce hername.
Christian Bland.
B double E-R-L-A-N-D-T.
Tatiana (29:57):
Okay, fantastic.
I'm gonna put a link to thatbook in the notes.
Find it.
Aphrodite (30:03):
it was that.
It was out of print for a longtime, but I believe you can get
it again.
You find it.
Tatiana (30:08):
It now.
I mean, it sounds like it sharevery similar concepts to the
work of Louise Hay.
Right.
With the, that you can heal yourlife and it talks about the
emotional basis for ailments.
Obviously that looks like it'smuch more comprehensive, just
even by the size of that.
Aphrodite (30:25):
yes.
Tatiana (30:25):
Oh, so that sounds phenomenal.
I'll definitely add that to theshow notes, so anyone who's
interested can have a look atit.
Aphrodite (30:31):
definitely.
Tatiana (30:32):
But why don't you tell everybody a little bit about, I
guess, where they can find youif they wanna work with you.
You've got some incrediblethings coming up in your remains
collective sphere or universe.
Aphrodite (30:45):
so I do, uh, the best way to find me is, I guess
through, through social.
So either through Instagram orFacebook.
Uh, and I can give you the linksfor those if you like.
Uh, but I do have, uh, a groupprogram coming up, uh, later in
the year just, and I guess I'mjust finalizing dates now, but
(31:09):
I'm.
For anyone that's interested inthat, they definitely get in
touch and also very much justI've, I'll have a, an opt-in
coming out very soon around.
It's a guide to.
To, to cycle sinking.
So working with your, thefeminine your feminine wisdom
and rhythm, and to be more inflow with your day to day in
(31:34):
areas of productivity,self-care, nutrition, exercise.
So that's something that'sprobably coming out a lot
sooner.
So I'll, uh, I can also passthat on to you as well.
Tatiana (31:47):
Yes, that sounds fantastic.
I'll put a link to all of these,your socials, to the book you
recommended.
And when you have, when theopt-in is available, I'll update
the show notes as well foranyone who's interested.
But obviously going into yoursocials, it's probably going to
be the best place to, to stay todate with where you're at.
Aphrodite (32:06):
For sure and I look forward to connecting with
anyone that has an interest.
I'd love to have a chat.
Tatiana (32:15):
I mean, I highly recommend anything that you that
you produce because you are themama of mamas,
Aphrodite (32:20):
Oh, thank you.
Thank you.
Tatiana (32:22):
but the most soothing, nurturing energy, and I know
that they'll be in veryexcellent
Aphrodite (32:28):
Oh, thank you.
Appreciate you saying that.
Tatiana (32:31):
Uh, well thank you so much for this conversation and
for joining me again.
Thank you all for listening, andwe'll see you all next time.
Aphrodite (32:40):
Thanks.
Bye everyone.
Tatiana (32:45):
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