Ep. #753: Stephen Sakellarios – Proof of Reincarnation

Reincarnation, the belief that a soul continues its journey in a new body after death, might be real according to a U.S. Army study in the 1980's that has recently resurfaced. Jeremy welcomes Stephen Sakellarios to discuss his research on reincarnation and past life regression.

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Episode Transcript

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A post take expiracies and cover to the pair red
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Maybe it makes you wonder if the drone sidings have
anything to do with what played out in New Orleans
and in Las Vegas, and perhaps attempts in other locations.
Because we had been talking about the possibility that the

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drone sidings were on some sort of mission, some sort
of intelligence mission, searching for something that may pose a
threat within and certainly we have seen some of that
manifest I hate to think about that, but I can

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only wonder if there was any sort of connection there.
Will we ever know? Probably not, probably not. And of
course you certainly have to be careful what you read
out there these days on all fronts, because there is
a lot of clickbait there's lots of recycled content. You know,

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if it did well once, it's going to get reposted again,
and who knows how relevant that is to the now.
And you know, we get all sorts of notifications from
people who have my back, and they're always sending me
wonderful subject material. I have a folder in my email
that's called show Ideas, and that's where I put information

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that I think would make for a good show. And
of course, if it's a guest, we usually reach out
to them to try to see what kinds of material
they have to offer and if it's relevant to the program,
and then we book them and they come on the program.
And that's usually how it works. In the case of
tonight's guest actually comes at a recommendation of a previous

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guest on the program. I know it's a little bit
behind the scenes, but you know, I want to let
you know how it all works here because certainly we
take recommendations highly certainly from a past guess. And so
that's how our guest tonight comes to us, and it
went into a folder and now it becomes absolutely relevant

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to discuss, which is usually my hook. I try to
make this program as relevant and topical and timely as possible,
and well just a couple of weeks ago. In fact,
there was a story that was sent to me, and
then others started to send it to me, and so

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at that point I certainly began to pay attention. And
here's what it was basically saying. A declassified US Army
study in nineteen eighty three known as the Gateway Process
explore the potential of expanding consciousness beyond any perceived physical limitations.

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I personally I had not heard of this. I immediately
clicked on it. I thought this was new. Just because
it is something that has been declassified now twenty years
and was a document from over forty years ago does
not make it any less relevant today. In my opinion,

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twenty nine pages the Analysis and Assessment of the Gateway
Process suggests that consciousness may continue after death. Consciousness is
one of the most fascinating subjects that we discuss on
the program. In my opinion, I've always tried to understand it.

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I think I somewhat understand it, but sometimes you hear
about a new interesting angle, and of course then you
have to reevaluate everything. But for the most part, I
agree that consciousness does continue after we pass on. In
this specific study, Lieutenant Colonel Wayne M. McDonald McDonald that

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is conducted the study by examining techniques like hypnosis and
transcendental meditation. Research went on at the Monroe Institute, and
it found that consciousness could access realms beyond space time,
therefore implying the possibility of something like reincarnation is real.

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That is the belief or concept that after death, a
person's soul or consciousness is reborn in the form of
a new body. Usually. Now, as I mentioned, this report
came out in nineteen eighty three. It was declassified by
the CIA in two thousand and three, and of course

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because somebody posted about it on the Internet and it
went viral. There have now been several stories in regards
to this. So it could just be because of that,
or it could be part of the process in which
to make us more aware of really what is the

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reality of the situation. Either way, it certainly has restarted
the conversation. So the report goes on to state that
consciousness is energy and it exists outside of our understanding

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of reality and energy never dies. It says this as
study in particular was done at the time to better
understand what Army intelligence officials were doing, sending personnel to

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a small institute in Charlottesville, Virginia that happened to be
working on something that at that time was a secret
known as the Gateway experience, essentially a training program on
ways in which to alter or even shift consciousness. From

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the report, it says, outside the physical sphere, so as
to ultimately escape even the restrictions of time and space.
So is it possible? I mean, that really is the question.
And if it's possible, what's the proof of something like

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this being possible? Is this it right here? Macaul says
the discoveries about reincarnation were profound. That consciousness brings with
it all the memories it has accumulated through experience. In
reality translation, it means that the memories that we have

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from one life to the next are passed on through reincarnation. Now,
many of the cases of reincarnation or past lives involve children.
Children have claimed to remember previous lives on multiple occasions.

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In fact, they may be the majority of the past
life phenomenon. They may make up for the majority of
the stories. It certainly says something to me, because how
does a child know what life is, let alone death

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unless they've experienced it, and then do they really understand it?
I mean I didn't understand it when I was first
approached with the situation. So how would they think it's
possible to have lived before their current life, or even

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that a life could exist after death. I'm Jeremy Scott.
Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. We'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Into the paranormal par.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
I mean, at what point do you start to understand
life and death? And at which point would you actually
start remembering such an event? Maybe you have a thought
on that five oh three five oh six zero three
nine six in the United States and Canada five oh
three five oh six zero three nine six. I certainly

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don't think it's as young as three or four. When
we hear about some of these stories of children talking
about past lives, I mean, how would you even think
to say, you know, I mean, this is your life
and you're a young child. I mean, unless it is
that you have indeed lived a past life, how would

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you know when that that's a thing, or it's possible
that it could be a thing. How would you know
to discuss that? And you know, as they say, kids
say the darnedest thing. For example, I just want to
share one with you the story of a mother who
had previously miscarried a child, very very sad thing. But

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one day her child, who I believe was four, said this,
I lived in your tummy. I was there, but then
I died, he said. I came to your tummy, and
then I died. I went looking for you, but I
couldn't find you. I went to your house, I went everywhere,

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but you couldn't hear me when I called you. So
then I was sad. But then I became an angel.
I missed you, so I wanted to come back to you.
So then I was a baby in your tummy again,
and then I was born again. I mean, how does

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a child four years old even think to say something
like that? So if we're gonna say that it's just
all made up and the kid, you know, doesn't know
what it's talking about and it's just babbling, how does

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it come up with something like that? How does it
know that that's a possibility that it could have lived
in a previous life that is just that is something else.
I mean, how does a four year old know that
or understand it? Or maybe they maybe they don't understand it,

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but they have that knowledge because they have lived in
a previous life. Those memories have been handed down and
so they're acting upon those memories, and that's maybe why
it doesn't make sense. It seems uh, well, it seems

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very advanced. Some would say it seems a little bit
like like like a fantasyland. Others would say, you know,
it could be proof of reincarnation. I think most of us, though,
we really want to just know what happens after we die.
Maybe not the physical part, I certainly don't recommend it

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having to deal with that. You'll just have to take
my word for it, but the spiritual part and what
happens to the soul, because you know, we know that
the body is no more when we die, but what
about our consciousness? One more case Sarah Man who claims

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to have one of the highest IQ's in history. Name
is Chris Langan, seventy two years old, an American horse rancher.
He has developed a hypothesis called the cognitive theoretic model
of the universe. He says it explains the connection between

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mind and reality. He believes that when we die, we
transition from one form or being to another, and so
our consciousness or soul then moves to another dimension or
plane of existence. He says that we are provided with

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a substitute body that allows us to keep on existing.
And of course that leads me to believe or to
wonder if our departed loved ones perhaps could return in
another body, and if they did, would they come back

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for reason in which to comfort us about our loss
or perhaps maybe assist us through this life, maybe pick
us up and dust us off, and you know, get
us to get our act back together after such a loss,
whatever the case happens to be. I mean, I have

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so many questions, and after hearing about what the US
Army was studying and coming to the conclusion that look,
consciousness is most likely real, which means so is reincarnation,
and maybe some of these other paranormal things that we
talk about are as well. But tonight we're gonna narrow

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it down. We're going to focus on reincarnation on past lives.
But in order to do so, I knew we had
to get somebody on the program who has researched reincarnation,
somebody has been through a past life regression referably, and
also somebody who even believes that they have been reincarnated

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and are living in another body. Well, we found just
that person. His name is Stephen Sacularius. He has studied
metaphysics and reincarnation in particular for fifty years. He is
a Masters in Counseling. He is the filmmaker of the
documentary in Another Life Reincarnation in America, which is based

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on his research and also his discovery that he had
his own past life. As an author, his research papers
are heavily read online and also author of several books,
one of them being reincarnation can be proved and here
he is to try to do so tonight. Welcome to
the program, Steven. It's good to have you here.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Thank you for inviting me on Jeremy.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Absolutely. So what do you say about the whole thought
that we can survive death in some form, most likely
our soul, which then can move on and occupy another
living being after we pass. When did you become open

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to that possibility?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Well, I started reading the bagavad Gida, like right out
of high school, so it's in there. It's a central
part of the bagavad Gita, the Hindu scriptures. So I
picked it up there, and I don't recall having any
resistance to it at all at that time. But I
kind of went from there. I started studying all of
the major religions and some more contemporary teachers with the

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idea that at the esoteric level, at the spiritual level,
they were all talking about the same thing. So I
took that as my premise to start with, and it
kind of went from there. But reincarnation is basically in
all of those teachings at that level, at the spiritual level.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
It is a spiritual thing.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
You would say, yeah, because I mean it's not necessarily
part of the rules and rigs you know, of the
traditional religion, but when you get into the mystics, the
mystical side of each of these religions, it's all in.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
There, absolutely. And for the audience joining us tonight, you
also believe that you yourself have had a previous life.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, I mean, according to the teachings I've studied, we've
all had like hundreds of thousands, you know, so every
single person on the planet has been reincarnated, you know,
more times than you can even imagine.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Hundreds of thousands, one hundred thousands.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, ultimately like eight point four million is what I understand,
you know. So it's per person collectively, Yeah, for each person, Yeah,
a vast number of incarnations. That's the teachings I've studied
so well.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
We got to take a break. We'll come back. Stephen
Saclarius with us tonight. I'm Jeremy Scott talking about reincarnation
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Speaker 2 (20:35):
Reincarnation incarnation the concept that the non physical essence of
a living being begins a new life any different physical
body of the biological death.

Speaker 7 (20:45):
Thousands of case studies support the idea that these kind
of past life experiences are vividly remembered and are even
correlated with some kind of physical birthmark.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
I started to wonder, is.

Speaker 8 (21:03):
She remembering her past life?

Speaker 6 (21:06):
It was around the age of three that kid started
talking about that he remembers die.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
The young children with spontaneous memories of past lives.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
The truth is far more abnormal than we want to believe.
You're headed somewhere between abnormal and verah normal.

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In't you the para normal?

Speaker 3 (21:36):
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how
a child three, four, five, whatever the case happens to be,
knows what life is, knows what death is, knows that
it's possible, at least in their mind, that they could
have had a previous life or a life after their

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current one. I just think it's a lot for a
kid to comprehend, unless, of course, they've lived a past
life talking tonight with the author of reincarnation can be proved.
Stephen Sacularius, who was telling us before the break that

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there is evidence to support that we have all, in
some capacity had hundreds of thousands, or in some case
millions of previous lives.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Well, this is from the teachings I've read. I don't
know that we've got evidence for that many. You know,
we have evidence for a few.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
But the teachings say that it's well, what do they
say specifically regarding those numbers.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Well, that the idea is that this is something where
the soul comes up through the evolutionary excuse me, through
the evolutionary process. So you know, everybody's gone through being
insects and birds and you know, and mammals, and then
finally you reach the human form. And at that point
you still have like, you know, millions to go, a

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few million to go, and then eventually you come back
to where you started, but with full consciousness. So the
whole point of the thing is to develop consciousness. That's
like the entire universe is like a mechanism to develop consciousness.
And then once you hit the human form, you've got
full consciousness. But then you have all of the mental

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impressions that you required getting there, and those you have
to kind of work through and eventually thin out until
you can directly perceive your own essence without all those impressions,
and at that point you realize the truth, the ultimate truth.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
So you would say, this is an evolution of different forms,
many different forms of existence.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, right, you have to go through all of them.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Is there a demotion?

Speaker 2 (24:05):
If there is, it's extremely rare, but the usual procedure
is not. Then that's right. Yeah, once you hit the
human form, you stay there. There could be very very
rare exceptions, you know, possibly.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Have you heard of any of those?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
I heard of, but I've never you know, investigated them,
you know. I mean, I don't even know what the
circumstances would be, honestly.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
So what was the research back when you got started
in this, What was the research like on reincarnation?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, of course I had studied the teachings for many years,
but I didn't start studying the research that had been
done until I started my documentary, and I didn't know
anything about it. I had no idea that it had
been researched in Western society. So I learned about doctor
Ian Stevenson his colleagues who studied the children as you
talked about, and they were also so hypnosis, there's past

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life regression, and there's cases of people under hypnosis that
remembered things that could be proved. So there's that whole group.
There's people like myself who seem to have stumbled on
one of their own past lives and they have certain
motives to try to solve that case. Jenny Kockel, for example,
wanted to find her children because in her past life

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she had had several children and she'd been separated from them,
so in this life she was trying to find them.
She had a strong motivation to do that. In my case,
there's a literary legacy that I'm trying to reclaim, so
I had a strong reason to come back and straighten
that out. So there's cases like that as well, where
somebody has their own case, and sometimes hypnosis is used,

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sometimes it's not used, So there's different methods.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
In order to bring the memories back to the forefront, right.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
I Mean, what I found in my own case is
that if you can be confronted with things that you
knew in the past life, and if there's a lot
of very strong emotions connected with it. Those two things.
First off, it has to be pretty much like it
was in the past life. You know, it hasn't it
hadn't been changed, it hadn't been remodeled, you know, whatever.

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It has to be the same. And then there has
to be this strong emotional component. And if those two
things are together, you can get what they call a flashback,
so that you suddenly re experience something. And typically from
my experience in other people's experience that I've read about,
it's just a snippet. It's like a I call it,
like a few frames of a film, you know, and

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it's always the same, it never changes. It's always the
same glimpse, you know. And there are people who have
tried to kind of get into it and stretch it
out and imagine what, you know, the rest of it was,
and sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't, but those
that glimpse is usually pretty pretty accurate.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
So how has the research of evolved, would you say
over the years?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, I mean doctor Stevenson was kind of the benchmark,
you know, he was the guy that really put it
on the map. And he's a psychiatrist's children psychiatrist, and
he got interested in this phenomenon and he decided to
apply the scientific method to it. And you know, so
there's that. I mean. His method was to interview everybody,

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the parents and the children, and get it all written down,
and then he tried to substantiate, you know, the things
that they said. So sometimes they would, for example, if
a child in Indias seemed to have memories of being
in some other village one hundred miles away, they would
take the child there. So the child immediately says, oh,
I know where I am and leads them to the
house and tells them, you know so and so over

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the store and you know, this is where, this is
my past life aunt, and this is my sister and
so on, and not only that, but reacts emotionally to
them the way the appropriate way, you know. And some
of these cases, the child would say, oh, I've scratched
my name in the back of the door, and they
go look and there's his name, or the child says, well,
I buried that, you know, the money, you know, in

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the corner here in the dirt, you know, and they
look and there's nothing there. But then they said, oh,
well there was money there. We found it. You know,
you know, sometimes these things are just absolutely proved. There
was one that doctor Jim Tucker, who was the successor
of doctor Stevenson, told me about when I interviewed him
back in two thousand and seven. He said, there was

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a little girl who accurately remembered twenty five first names
from her past life. You know. So I feel like,
when you get up the twenty five, there's no question,
you know, unless somebody's really cheating and like, you know,
training her to memorize twenty five. You know, a little
kid can't even memorize twenty five names, you know.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Right, and ask him to do it again, and then
they repeated, it's miraculous. More to come. Stephen Saclarius our
guest tonight, I'm Jeremy scott On into the pair of.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
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Speaker 3 (29:33):
So how does this girl remember all of these different names?
And are these names an indicator of previous lives? Talking
with us Stephen Saccularius tonight to Stephen that story of
the girl remembering all of these different names, she was
able to recite those right time and time again.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, and they all checked out from her previous lifetime.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
So there had been research or she was able to
provide enough information that that could be what matched against
historical data.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, because I mean, you know, they have to find
the past life. You know, they have to what they
call solve the case in the sense of figuring out
who this person was and verifying that. And once they
do that, you know, she tells them, you know, gives
them a list of twenty five names and they check
it out. They go see whether those people actually were
known to her.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Interesting, so how do you explain that?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Well, I mean it's literally that was heard her past
life and she remembers it. So then the question is,
you know, how is it that some people remember and
other people don't. And I have my own theories about that,
but I think there's two causes personally. One of them
is if the person did not go into the normal
process of going to the other side, the astral realm

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and then coming back in, if they like stayed near
the earth and didn't go through that, then they might
not have gone through the forgetting process because normally you
go to the astroalm or what they call a bardo,
and then when you come back, you go through a
process of forgetting you know, everything, and that kind of
makes it possible for you to focus on this lifetime

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and kind of get a fresh start. You know, if
you don't remember everything, you get a fresh start. Well,
some people don't go through that normal process, and I
think they tend to remember more. And then there's also
people I think that are just more spiritually advanced and
because of that they remember. So it's like two different
causes in my personal opinion.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
So this would be typically what we hear about what
when individuals are describing a near death experience.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Well, it's similar in the sense the experience. Yeah, And
the thing is that people are not just their bodies.
They're really actually a series of bodies nested inside each other,
kind of like the Russian dolls, where one's inside the
other and one's inside the other. That's the way a
human being is constructed. And the physical body is just
the big doll on the outside, you know, but we're
all you know, and that one is disposable, So the

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big doll on the outside you can get rid of
and get another one, but the rest of the person
remains the same and doesn't die. So you have the
astral or energy body or subtle body, and then the
higher still is the mental body, and then on top
of all of that is the soul, right, and then
those things don't die, none of them do. So basically

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reincarnation is just you've got, you know, the outermost doll
breaks and you get another one. That's all. The rest
of the person is the same all the way through.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
So what part of a person actually reincournings?

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well, that's a good question, and that's something I feel
like my particular research addresses it. Apparently, of course, you
don't have the same physical body, and you don't have
the same personality what I call a physical personality, you know,
not exactly anyway, it's kind of similar. But the personality
is based on all the experiences you had growing up
and your parents, and you know, to some extent your genes,

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and you know, your culture, the time, that era that
you all. That's personality, So that's different. But the emotions
are exactly the same there as I can tell, and accessible.
Everybody's experiencing their past life emotions. They just don't know it.
That's my conclusion. And what I call the higher mind
is the same, which is your attitudes, your worldview, your values,

(33:23):
your sense of humor, your the way your mind works,
all of that remains exactly the same, and that I
can prove in my study how so well, because I
have a whole bunch of my past life writing. And
he was a philosopher as well as being a humorist,
so I have a lot of his philosophical thoughts, so
that you know, his sense of humor, all those things

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are embedded in these writings, his philosophy, his worldview, all
of his values, you know. And I've got that in
my diary from before I found this person, you know,
so I can compare, you know, the two, and I
can see that I'm basically the same, all.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Right, As far as you know, what part of a
person reincarnates, Does someone's voice live on, because that would
be kind of creepy.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Well, I don't know, because I don't have recordings from
you know, this person from the eighteen hundred, so I
can't say, you know, I don't know of any that
I don't. I mean, there's more, you know, there's people
who are more recently alive, but I don't know of
any that have voice recordings. It's a very good point.
I'd love to hear that. My guess is it's probably similar.
It's like the personality. It's similar, but not identical.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Sure, because if you keep the same personality, you might
have also the same talents.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Right, but the personality is not identical, it's it's somewhat similar.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, you may also smell the same.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Possibly, Yeah, you know, I mean that's that's that's something
I wouldn't know how to verify, you know, but right, yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Possible, certainly interesting. So early I look.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Very much similar, as you know, you know, it's the
physical face is maybe not identical, but pretty darn close.
And I don't know if that's one hundred percent, but
in my case and in other cases I'm aware of
that's true.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
What that there's a striking similarity.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, exactly, far beyond chance, I would.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Say, interesting, especially over dozens or hundreds of years, right.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Well, that I don't know. I would guess that it
gradually changes, you know, and the most recent ones, I
think within two three lifetimes. You know, there's not going
to be that much change.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Interesting, So tell the audience how you came upon your
past life. It was actually during your research, right.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Well, of course, I researched for the documentary and it
took me five years to complete it. I finally released
it in two thousand and three, and then in two
thousand and five, I stumbled upon engraving online on a
website of Matthew Franklin Whittier, and I felt, as soon
as I say, I felt, I was just looking at myself,

(36:02):
you know. And then my research kind of went on
from there. But the way I found it was I
was actually looking for some other past life that I'd
been told about in a psychic reading and stumbled upon
a website and I said, boy, this feels familiar. I
think I think that I had something to do with this.
And I sent it to a friend of mine who'd
been in my documentary, and he sent back the page

(36:23):
that had this person's picture, and I looked at that
picture and I said, that's me, you know, And I
felt that very deeply, especially looking into the eyes of
the portrait. So then I wanted to see, you know,
I want to find out who this person was and
see if I mean, the whole point is, can I
remember anything about his life that I had no way
of knowing and then check it out in the historical

(36:44):
record and find out that I can verify it.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
And that was the case.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, several times you know, some of them were stronger
than others, but there was maybe five or six of
them that were close enough. Matches and things I couldn't
possibly we have known that I feel proofs that the
case is genuine.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
And this individual has a name.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, Matthew Franklin Whittier was his name. He was the
younger brother of the Quaker poet John Greenleaf Whittier, who
wrote a poem called Snowbound. He was famous, especially in
New England. He's still famous in New England, but elsewhere
I think people have kind of forgotten about him. But
he was famous there for a while in the nineteenth century.
And Matthew was his younger brother who hardly anybody knew

(37:28):
except he had one satirical series that he's known for.
Was kind of he had grassroots fame, you know, I
would say, for a while. Everybody's forgotten about him.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Now, all right, So what did he write about? Well,
like I said, he was a philosopher first and foremost.
But here's the thing, I found a whole bunch more
work that he wrote than the John Greenleaf Whittier people
are aware of. They only know about this one satirical
series with this guy from the backwoods in Maine named

(37:58):
Ethan Spike. You know, I know about that one. But
I found a whole bunch more.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I found that he was a child prodigy at age twelve,
and that he had a literary career that went for
fifty four years, and he wrote in every genre you know,
you can think of novels, poetry, humorous poetry, humorous writing, everything,
short stories, novels, So ran the whole gamut.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
What are the chances of finding yourself in a previous
life on the internet.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Well, it's a good question. I mean, the problem is
how do you know for sure? You know? And in
this case, okay, I felt that strong sense of recognition,
but how do I prove it? So? You know, again,
first off, this is somebody that had a lot of
information about him. I mean I found over three thousand
of his published works now like fifteen years later, but
it was all hidden because he wrote anonymously. So there's

(38:51):
this vast amount of material, but nobody's ever seen it
because he wrote underseudonyms and he hid it. So you know,
it's absolutely ideal for me because what I want is
a lot of material that I could never have possibly seen,
you know, So what I start out with, is can
I get memories?

Speaker 5 (39:11):
You know?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
And so the way I get memories? First off, I
tried hypnosis. I got some from there. I had a
couple psychic readings and got some information from that. And
then I just started following the clues and exposing myself
to things that were connected with his life, like a
picture of somebody. I can give you an example of that.
And did I get any memories that you know that

(39:31):
I had to look up that I wouldn't possibly have known.
So I was able to do that, but it took
a long time. It took years, all.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Right, Now more to come on our program tonight. I'm
Jeremy Scott, somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal, talking
with Stephen Sacularius tonight, and we'll be back in the
next hour.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
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Speaker 2 (40:53):
And.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
What about it?

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Does our consciousness live on after death? Is reincarnation possible?
Talking about the possibilities of this or of the proof
In the case of Stephen Sacilarius his website reincarnationproof dot com,
his book Reincarnation can be proved in his documentary in
Another Life Reincarnation in America. So in your case, Matthew

(41:26):
Franklin Whittier, obscure nineteenth century author, you received information on
him in a variety of ways. What about the psychic readings?
Can you tell us about those?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, Basically, what I was trying to do with them
was to connect with Matthew's wife, who I felt was
still my soulmate and was trying to contact me. So
I tried to get in touch with her through these
psychics who acted as mediums, and it was pretty successful.
And basically I took real time notes. I didn't have recordings,

(42:02):
but I took real time notes, and over the years
I was able to find evidence for the things that
they said, and it's like way beyond chance. So both
of them were extremely accurate, and in some cases they
overlapped and talked about the same things. So it's you know,
it's its own particular kind of proof.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
So these psychic readings, you got a hold of Matthews
or your wife? Was she still living?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
No, she had died in eighteen forty one and as
so far as I know, had not reincarnated since then
that we know of. Yeah, I don't. I'm pretty sure,
you know. I mean, I can't say one hundred percent
because we have developed a sort of communication. But I
can't say it's one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
You know. And how have you initiated this communication?

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Well, I feel like she taught me, and there was
two methods. One of them was just like yes and no.
And I would say it was kind of like dowsing,
except I would hold my hand as limp as I
possibly could, and then you know, my ring finger going
down would be like yes and up would be no.
You know that kind of thing. And then there was
just like I just use it for prompting. So for example,

(43:18):
we would go to pick out, you know, a movie,
and she would use the movies to tell me something
about our relationship. So I would, you know, just sit
there and look at them and say this one, this one,
this one, and then I'd get a prompt Oh, this one,
you know, and I'd pick it out and sure enough
it would be, you know, right on target, you know,
about the some particular topic like the lake house, you know,

(43:40):
for example, or the notebook, or something that had to
do with the relationships somewhere in time. That kind of
thing had to do with a relationship that was with
somebody in another dimension or another time, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Okay, so how did Matthew die?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
He died, Well, officially it was like cistiitis or rheumatar arthritis,
things like that. But I think what I experienced under
hypnosis was like an ulcer, you know, really sharp stomach pain.
So I think he had a lot of things going on,
but I really think it was the ulcer that did
him in. He was seventy seventy years old, you know

(44:16):
at that time.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah, that'll, that'll do it.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Well. He had he had stomach problems all his life,
you know, what they called dyspepsia. So he had that
ever since he was a child, but it finally caught
up with him.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Okay, So there obviously was some time before between you know,
when he passed away and when you were born. So
did Matthew go on to enter other souls during this time.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I think there was at least one other incarnation.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Soul to enter other bodies.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Rather, yeah, I think there was at least one, as
this was the one I was looking for when I
got online that you know, I accidentally stumbled, you know,
across him. And I think it was a woman, a
young woman who lived around like nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties,
and she was reporter and a photographer. And I have
a lot of information, I think, but I can't locater her,

(45:06):
you know, I can't identify her, So I can't prove
that one.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
If you're pretty sure that somebody didn't have that was
truly their end, that they did not have another life,
why does it continue for some and end for others?

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Well, I think it's just sometimes it's a long time.
People can live in the astra world for long periods
of time. A comeback. Well, eventually everybody realizes their true self,
which is said to be the same thing as God.
So the capital s self is the soul is the
same thing as God. And eventually the consciousness gets turned

(45:44):
to that and realizes itself instead of experiencing the world.
So that's the end of it. Then there's no more
reincarnation up to that point.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Basically everybody keeps on incarnating, but sometimes there's some people
who have earned long stay on the other side, you know.
So I think that was Abbey's situation.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
So Abby has communicated what telepathically with you.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Well, that's the second method that she taught me, was
was telepathic, And I'm not very psychic, so really it's
just based on our being soulmates, because as far as
I can tell, all soulmates are telepathic to a point,
you know, they finish each other's sentences and they know
when they're in trouble and you know that kind of thing.
So that's what it's based on. And what I get

(46:28):
are what I call thought bursts, and other people have
talked about this also. It's like she's at such a
high level of vibration. Her thoughts are so fast that
what I get is like a whole paragraph or a
whole page bang and one, you know, one real quick burst,
and then I have to unpack that, and of course
I have to figure out, you know, what's my own

(46:49):
mind and what's hers. And the best way I know
to do that is that her thought comes in before
I even have a chance to think of anything. You know,
it's that fast. So I look for something that's kind
of not what I would be thinking, and it came
like really really quick before I had a chance to
even think about it.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
So this information is learned. It's almost like a download experience.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah, very much like a download.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Okay. And then you mentioned pictures as well, so you've
compared yourself as you are in this existence to Matthew
what back in the eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, he was about forty five when the image that
I have was was done, and I've got a comparison picture,
which I think you used for your promotions here where
I was thirty five and he's forty five, and it's
pretty close match. There's some younger pictures of him, but
that one is pretty close.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Can you describe for the radio audience the similarities.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, you know, you don't like to describe yourself, but
I think I have kind of sharp features. Both of
us have a long nose. His was a little longer.
It's really the only difference. Kind of deep set eyes
and kind of a chiseled face. The hair. You know,
if I had hair now, it would be quite similar,

(48:11):
you know, you really kind of have to see it.
It's it's pretty impressive.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
So did Matthew lose his hair as well? I think
he was starting to. Yeah, I think he was starting
Happens to the best of us, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah. I don't have an image of him, you know,
from like his later years. Forty five I think is
about as old as I have.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Stephen, we're gonna get ready to take a break here.
Can you tell the audience your website where they can
find out where they can get your book and your
is your documentary streaming online?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
It's on YouTube? Yeah, so just in Another Life Reincarnation
in America and you'll get it for free on YouTube
and the doc and the website is reincarnationproof dot com.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
All right, fantastic, we'll continue our conversation. I don't know,
maybe you've had a past life. You just have that feeling.
You can join us and we'll be the judge. I
guess I'm Jerremany. He's got somewhere between the paranormal and
the abnormal. Stephen Sacularius is our guest tonight. We'll take

(49:15):
a break and come right.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
Back into the para.

Speaker 9 (49:42):
Just a primitive myth or an actual phenomenon. Is it
a belief reserved for a small, misguided minority, or do
many Americans.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Believe in the incarnation keeping silence for.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
Fear of ridicule?

Speaker 9 (49:56):
And how many of these people are having actual experiences?
But talking about that, is anyone investigating reincarnation? And are
any of these studies scientific? Is there any proof of reincarnation?
And if so, what are the implications indescribable?

Speaker 2 (50:14):
The joint was just so complete and so profoundly shared.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
By everyone, and then it was over. If you could
take the saddest you've ever been and magnified that about
about a thousand times, it was.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
That I felt that a grief and anger.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
This is a real phenomenon. Whatever's causing this.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
There really are children who are just learning to speak
who seem obsessed for some reason about the life of
a complete stranger.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Not only is it rational to believe in reincarnation, but
all the counter arguments seem to fail.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
There's no good reason to disbelieve it.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
I'm Jeremy Scott's in Another Life Reincarnation in America. The
name of the documentary. You'll fight it up on YouTube
and we'll put it out on our social media as
well it's up there for free. Stephen, you were trying
to get this played on the public broadcast television stations
and it was rejected, wasn't it largely?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Well I got one to play it in Denver, you know,
good old Denver, Colorado is a little more open minded,
I think than anybody else. So that station manager took it.
I wrote to like every single you know PBS station individually,
about two hundred of them, and some of them asked
for copies, but they all turned it down. One of
them said, you know, we do not intend to air this,

(51:39):
you know, the reactions like that. But things were, things
were different. Lets is twenty five years ago, you know,
so things were different then. You know, for example, if
you know, if I put the website or anything about
reincarnation online back in that day, the comments would be
all cynical, you know, all everybody making fun of it. Nowadays,

(51:59):
it's totally different story. You've got like twenty five people
that are you know, parents that are talking about how
their child said that. You know, when I was big,
you know, I used to change your diaperses like that.
You know, so it's really changed a lot in that
couple two and a half decades.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
People are more open to it. I mean when we
seems like yeah, and apparently so was the army or
at least an army intelligence who carried out this study.
Were you aware of that one?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
No, I had no idea. And that goes back a ways, right,
So I had no idea that was going on.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Yes, but what does it tell you? It tells you
that obviously there is some credence to this if we
were studying it many many years ago.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Well, doctor Ian Stevenson would never say that he had
proved reincarnation. You know, he would say it was suggestive
was the term that he used. And you know, I
always felt like he did that kind of because he
didn't want his fellow scientists to jump all over him.
But really speaking, and this is something the philosopher doctor
Allmeter that I interviewed. You played a clip from him

(53:07):
that he said, you know, the evidence really is much
stronger than suggested. He basically proved it. So you know,
we've got doctor Stevenson proving this with the scientific method.
So of course, the military, to the extent that it
was relevant to them at all, I'm not sure how
relevant it is for them, but of course they would
pay attention because they take these they take things seriously

(53:27):
that they tell us not to take seriously, you know.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Right, so your past self, mister Whittier, did you say
that he wrote of previous lives?

Speaker 2 (53:41):
He did, Actually, there there is one little essay that
he wrote about pre existence, and in my blog, I
had somebody videotape this for me. I sat or neeled
right in front of Matthew Franklin Whittier's tombstone on his
grave and read his essay about preexistence and remember having

(54:06):
past life memories. You know, that's that's on my blog.
So yeah, he did, but it took him a while. Basically,
it wasn't until about eighteen fifty that he started taking
that seriously.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Were Matthew's parents alive at any point during your research,
I'm guessing not, no, no, right, so we can't ask
them about whether or not their baby boy looks like
you were, right.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Right, yeah, right, yeah, But I mean it's I think
it's fairly self evident.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
You know, as you've heard from many parents throughout your research.
You know, if they have lost a child and now
they've you know, given birth again, the mother's given birth again,
and they believe that this is their reincarnated child. They
may be able to tell.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Harold Bowman, who's a reincarnation researcher, wrote a book called
Return from Heaven, and specifically that's about same family cases
people reincarnating back into their family, and some of those
cases have evidence in them. So, for example, there's one
I don't remember specifically, but there's one where the child
is shown the photograph album, you know of people she's

(55:27):
never seen before, you know, like grandparents and stuff, and
she says, well, that's me, you know, it's like her grandmother.
He said, well, that's me, and that's so and so,
and that's aunt so and so, and she knew them.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Well, you know you can't. That's not chance. It's way
beyond coincidence. And the kid had never seen these people.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Would you say that the memories of children experiencing these
past life memories are the most powerful.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Well, I think that children all have past life memories
up until around age seven or so, but in our
culture kind of they're stretched out of it, you know.
I seem to remember. I'm not sure, but I think
I remember my father was in the Merchant Marine, and
as a little kid, I said, oh, I used to
be in ships too, you know, and he says, no,
you haven't, You've never been in ships, and you know.

(56:14):
And so at that point I sort of clammed up
and never talked about it again. But if the kid
is encouraged and listened to, they come out and start
talking about it. Now there's cases like the James Liningher case,
where the kid is having nightmares of something very traumatic,
like in his case, he went down in World War
Two in an airplane, you know, caught fire and he
was having horrible nightmares as a little boy, and so

(56:36):
you know, in that case, they kind of have to
pay attention to it.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
So as far as reincarnation is concerned, we mentioned this
spiritual aspect of it previously. It's viewed quite differently amongst
different religions.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Right, well, it is in the traditional religions, but if
you go back again to the original teachings, the esoteric teachings,
it was in the even in Christianity, it was apparently taught,
so you know, but you have to go back to
you know, the early sources to find it. It's it's
got lost, you know, either nefariously or by accident or

(57:17):
you know, copying and editing and whatever, so it got lost,
but it was in there originally.

Speaker 7 (57:23):
And in.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Judaism there's guildel they call it, which is reincarnation, and
the Sufis have reincarnation in Islam, so and then of
course in Hinduism and Buddhism you have it. So it's
it's and the reason for that is that the original
teachers all were experiencing the same things, and they all
knew the same things. So since it's real, they all

(57:49):
knew about it.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
They all knew that it's possible to live multiple existences.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah, it's inevitable.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
All right, we'll continue our conversation. Got to take a
news break. We'll come back. Our guest tonight on the
program is Stephen Sacularius. He is author of Reincarnation Can
Be Proved and the documentary, which is available to watch
on YouTube in Another Life Reincarnation in America. We'll make
sure we put that link out on social media for
those who want to check that out. From the cold

(58:20):
dark depths of a secret dungeon somewhere deep in the
remote Pacific Northwest, I am Jeremy Scott. Stick with us.
We'll have more to come somewhere between the paranormal and abnormal.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
This is parabnormal news. Wouldn't it be nice to know
in an ask might rain down on us with more
than a few hours notice. A physicist in Spain has
developed an equation for calculating, apparently with a high accuracy,
the gravitational bending of light, which affects how we perceive
the positions of celestial objects. This breakthrough could improve the

(59:17):
tracking of asteroids, comets, and dwarf planets. Knowing how light
bends around the Sun and other massive objects means we
can more accurately track smaller objects in space that are
heading towards Earth. The hope is that these objects are
discovered well enough in advance that we could do something
about it or be at peace with our demise should

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He was two years old.

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He source a lady on TV and he said, how
was it one of those when hours ago?

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Many people believe in pass lives and reincarnation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Reincarnation and it's not a new con center.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
The ancient Greece and the Celtic Druids to believe that
when they died they would come back.

Speaker 8 (01:00:18):
Now, what we do in aggression is in diagnosis, would
take our lives back to the emotional trauma, traumas that
are connected to causing that problems.

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
This emotional release then helps them to.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Heal into the arabnormal or enter at your own risk.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
The Gateway experience or the Gateway projects was something that
the US Army was investigating and actually studied. There was
a report twenty nine pages that was published this that
was declassified by the CIA. So we're talking about research

(01:01:11):
from forty years ago about the potential of expanding consciousness
beyond any perceived physical limitations. We have to expand our
horizons and remove some of those limitations, otherwise none of

(01:01:33):
it is possible. Talking tonight about whether or not reincarnation
is possible with Stephen Saclarius, who has written a book
and put together a documentary and also believes that he
has had a past life in the case of an
author Matthew Franklin Whittier. So Stephen, any literary works that

(01:01:58):
we would recognize by mister.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Yeah, and now we're going to get into the abnormal
part as opposed to the paronormal part. But I became
convinced and feel that I have proved that Matthew was,
for example, the real author of the poem The Raven,
and that Edgar Allan Poe had nothing whatsoever to do
with it. He just it was just a scam that
he claimed it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Well, there's a bunch more. Yeah, I thought that might
be enough. But yeah, I also feel that I have
proved that Matthew and his wife Abby were the original authors.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Of a Christmas Carol Carol, and there's others.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah, there's other ones as well that aren't quite as
well known.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
But all right, so these would be things that would
later be adopted into plays and movies, right right, Yeah,
both of them have had the case you should be
a very rich man just based on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
What well, I don't know that it works that way,
but it certainly would be nice. Yeah, I somehow, I
don't don't think they would like even answer my letter
if I you know, Yeah, do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
You carry any sort of emotion from your previous death?

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
I experienced it under hypnosis, and like I said, it
was extremely sharp pain in my stomach is what I remembered.
And then then I remembered that when he died and
left his body, as we all do, that it was
a huge relief that he said, you know, well, it
was what I've been reading is really true. He wasn't sure.

(01:03:38):
He was kind of a skeptical guy, you know, so
when when he did leave his body, he was you know,
it was like, man, they got it was it was.
It was real what I was reading, you know. So
I remembered that. But yes, it was, I mean, apparently
it was, you know, horrific pain. But like I said,
he'd had that problem all his life. And now I

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went to the location where he died, which is in
East Boston, and it's called Maverick Square now, but there
was a Maverick House which was a big, four story
hotel at the time, and it's been torn down and
a health center has been put up in its place.
It's roughly the same dimensions, and it wasn't to see.

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If it had been exactly the way it was, it
might have triggered a flashback for me. It didn't, but
I do remember that as I was walking toward the building,
my stomach felt kind of funny, you know, like a
little bit of a stomach ache or something, not very much,
just a little bit, and I'd forgotten all about the
past life regression. I had, So I think that just
being there gave me just a little bit because that's

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where he died, in that Maverick House hotel, and gave
me just a little bit of it, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Yeah, So you do definitely carry over the trauma should
you carry on in another body.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Yeah, it stays with you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Yeah, and you probably never did get over it, much
like the trauma that we experience from grief on earth
or certainly it takes a while to get over that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Well, the past life therapists, the past life therapists say
that if they bring you through it emotionally, especially if
all the emotions are there and they bring you through
the experience, that you can then let it go. And
there's cases where people had, you know, serious illnesses and
the illness was a result of these strong emotions and

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memories and when they had those, when they re experience
these things, the physical problems just like disappear.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Interesting, So tell us about these regressions you had them?
What about a year apart? Where were those who did
those regressions.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Well, it was a friend of mine who's a therapist
and it isn't her main thing, but she knew how
to do it. And I didn't have money to pay
for it, so I did a trade out with her.
She was doing a self help CD with the Monroe
Institute and she needed background music. And I had a
Mac computer and an iMac and just I knew enough

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about garage band to create space music. So I created
the space music for her, and she did the regression
sessions for me. And I didn't really go into a
deep trance. It was just kind of a light trance
where I was relaxed and I was kind of in
the zone, and then every once in a while some
memory would come bubbling up, you know. It was like that.

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It wasn't like I was totally zonk out or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
And what did you experience during the regression?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Well, I had a lot of things I seemed to experience.
Meeting Edgar Allan Poe in a private reading, which is,
you know, no way to prove that if indeed Matthew
was the original author of The Raven, and that pretty
much proves they must have met, because Matthew shared that
with him. But I also had a few things that
I could definitely prove. And I know we're kind of

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type for time on these segments, but for example, the
therapist asked me, what did the place that you worked at,
the Boston Custom House, what did that look like? And
I had never seen I'm sure that I had never
seen a picture of this thing. And I laughed. I
thought it was funny, and I said it was long,
two stories, ugly and plain, you know, and I think

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I didn't like it very much, you know, So I
laughed about that. So I afterwards I found a picture
of it, and it's definitely long, it's definitely two stories,
it's arguably ugly, but you to look at it, you
wouldn't think it was plain. So it was like I
hit on three and missed on one. But then when
I went and actually went to the place, it's now
like a Sheraton hotel, I think, or something like that.

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And we're only talking like the bottom part, not the
big tower that was stuck in the you know, in
the early nineteen hundreds they built a big tower, But
when you're up close to it, it just looks like
a plain building that they'd stuck ornamentation onto, you know,
it doesn't look fancy up close.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
All right, hold that thought right where we are. We'll
come back in a continue with Stephen secularius, because we've
got to take a break. I'm Jeremy Scott. Into the
pair of.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
Normal, into the pair of normal, pair of normal.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
I'm Jeremy Scott. Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
We're talking about reincarnation, about past life regression, and as Stephen,
you were telling us about your past life regressions.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Right, so there. I mean, you know, it's beyond chance
that I would just pretty much nail what this building
looked like, never having seen it. But there was another
instance that was stronger and had nothing to do with
the hypnosis. I knew that Matthew had written for a
paper called The Boston Chronotype, which was an anti slavery,

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you know paper, And so I was looking up online,
searching for any information on this newspaper, and I saw
a thumbnail of a man in profile, and I clicked
on it, and up came an image of a fellow
named George Bradburne, who had been an editor for that

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paper toward the end of its run around eighteen forty nine.
And when I looked at that enlarged picture, it came
alive for me, you know, subjectively, and turned toward me
and a big smile broke out on his face, and
I had the feeling, you know, that this was a
really close friend, right, And I had the thought like

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his smile was like a warm hearth on a cold day.
Was the thought that came into my mind. And I
didn't know. But turns out that wasn't actual expression back
then in the nineteenth century. So I said, let's see
if I can prove this, you know, because I've got
this emotion. I had this experience of the guy, you know,
the picture coming alive.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
So I found a memorial written by his wife, Francis,
after he died, and as I'm reading down, it says
that he was close friends with Matthew's brother, So you know,
we've got a connection, but that's not really as close
as what I felt. You know, you don't feel that
way about your you know, older brother's friend.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
So then I read further down and I found out
that they were co workers and a small group of
men for like fourteen years at the Boston custom House.
So and I found out they had a whole bunch
of things in common. So that got a lot stronger.
And it's not one hundred percent. I mean, they could
have worked for fourteen years in the same place and
not liked each other, you know, technically, but you know,

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they had a lot of things in common, and they
were both spiritualists, they both had been abolitionists, and they
both had a sarcastic sense of humor. And you know,
so probably probably, you know, I was right on the money,
and they were very very close friends, and I had
no way of knowing that, So that one was fairly strong.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
All right, Steven, give your contact information out for those
who might be interested into following your research, please sure.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
So the website is reincarnationproof dot com. And then that
documentary is in Another Life colon Reincarnation in America, and
you can get that on YouTube, all right, and the
books are on the website. You can get all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
What about the military and the government. Do you think
that they have any interest in this? And when we
talk about what the US Army was doing forty years ago,
they may have had some interest at it at one point.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Well, I kind of hope they don't. I don't want
I'm showing up and taking my computer away and stuff
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
I've never heard that they had a particular interest in reincarnation.
But I know they were very interested in remote viewing
for obvious reasons, because they can, you know, get in
Chinese files and you know, Russian files, and you know,
look at equipment and all kinds of things with remote viewing.
And I did have an experience of remote viewing sort of.
I had an illustrator that was working on a book

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about me and Abbey, right, and he was going to
make an outdoor scene and I said, well, just anything
is okay, just as long as it's outdoors. And I
had on my desktop on my computer a scene that
I took in Denver, Colorado when I was there, of
the mountain and you know, and everything, and the outdoor
scene that he gave me as a preliminary was like

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almost an exact match for what I had on my desktop.
It was absolutely weird, you know. And this was a
guy that didn't want to be doing anything paranormal. He
was like, that wasn't part of his religion. He wasn't
allowed to do it, you know, but he apparently was psychic.
So remote viewing is real, no question about it. And
I could see that the military be very interested in that,

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but exactly why they'd be interested in reincarnation. I really
haven't been able to figure out.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Well, Steven, we appreciate you coming on the program so
very much. Again your website reincarnationproof dot com and they
can find all the information there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Yeah, thank you very much for inviting me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Absolutely, it was my pleasure talking with you. Stephen Saclarius
on the program tonight. Appreciate him coming on board the show.
Another thing that people have been sending me information about
is this fog. And the first thing I was thinking
about is the movie The Fog came out in nineteen

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eighty just for those who are not familiar with it.
But no, there are reports apparently in multiple states, and
not only this thick fog, which of course we should
expect in January in winter in most places. I mean
it particularly has really started to get cold out here
in the Pacific Northwest and along with that goes the fog.

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But this is thicker than normal, and people are saying, boy,
there's an awful smell. It sounds like there's burning chemicals.
And so there's videos and reports that have taken to
social media of what looks like stuff raining down on

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communities and swirling in the air. And then some witnesses
actually saying that that has caused them to get sick,
to start to develop symptoms similar to respiratory illnesses. So
if there's a spraying going on, or if you're starting

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to see weird particles, I guess there is no other
way to describe them raining down on your community, Take
cover and to go inside, make sure you lock up
the windows. Are the spraying here, is that what's causing
the thick fog, is that fog is really chemicals being sprayed.

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I mean, I don't mean to get all conspiracy theorists
on you, but these are the reports out there that
people are getting sick. And there have been reports from
what now Texas, Wisconsin, Iowa, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Nebraska,
Kansas and Oklahoma, North Dakota, Florida, and Minnesota. Also getting

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reports from Canada and the UK. So I don't know
what's going on here. Is this some sort of chemical
weapon attack? It certainly seems like there is some targeted
operation going on. Whether or not everything that has happened
over the last couple of days is connected. And I'm

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talking about, you know, the attacks on multiple levels and
even the the near attacks, the individuals who have almost
caused because there have been some copycats out there as well.
I hate to say it. Just know that there may
be some sort of targeted spring going on, and if

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it is a targeted spring, you have to wonder what
is going to come next. And when you start to
hear reports we're gonna be having an outbreak of a
disease or some scenario like that, or there's chemical warfare
out there. Well, just know that we were one of

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the first people to talk about that, and it's thanks
to people like you who email in and let me know. Jeremy,
I'm seeing this fog out there. So if you're seeing
the thick fog, the burning chemical smell, maybe you've gotten sick.
You can drop me the line. It into the pairbnormal
at gmail dot com. That's into the pair of normal
gmail dot com. We'll talk to you next week. Friends

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from the cold, dark depths of a secret dungeon somewhere
deep in the remote Pacific Northwest, take care of the one.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Good night, Hey, God bless