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March 23, 2025 • 80 mins
On the road from the 13th annual Oregon Ghost Conference in Seaside, Oregon, Jeremy welcomes Amanda Paulson to discuss paranormal investigations including that of a haunted lake, Pete Orbea shares the rich history of the town of Port Gamble, Michael Cain explores the use of hypnotherapy in past life regression, Tammy Conrad offers insights on counseling those with paranormal experiences, Shana Madsen delves into the concept of thinning the veil, and Rocky Smith talks about the haunted history of Oregon.
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Speaker 3 (01:02):
We are live from the Oregon Ghost Conference in Seaside.
Kind of a drastic change weatherwise from our last time
we sat at this table. Of course, it is the
coast and we're used to a little bit of rain
and wind here in the Pacific Northwest, but boy, it
was really whipping and there's just kind of that chill
in the air. I don't know if it's the weather

(01:23):
or if it's the ghost, or it's a combination of both.
So I'm going to do this if you're okay with
my coat on, because I feel more comfortable than that
doing it that way. I want to welcome our first
guest of the day, Amanda Paulson, a paranormal investigator who
was based in the Pacific Northwest. She got her start
with traditional ghost hunning in two thousand and eight, and

(01:44):
in twenty nineteen created the blog pretty ef and Spooky.
She has traveled across the US and Europe investigating reports
of paranormal phenomena, and has been featured on numerous filming projects,
including Lady of the Lake, which premiered here at the
Ghost Conference in Seaside. Amanda, Welcome to the program. Good
to have you sit in here.

Speaker 8 (02:03):
Hi, thank you so much for having me. I'm so
excited to be here.

Speaker 9 (02:06):
And I'm also wearing my coat because it is crazy outside.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
It is chill in the air in March here in
the Ring and it hasn't yet turned. Seasons. We have
these mock seasons where you go winter and then winter
lasts a little longer and we're waiting for spring, and
then it finally arrives here. But that doesn't matter to
the ghosts and to the paranormal because they are seemingly
with us all hours of the day and night, twelve

(02:30):
months a year, three hundred and sixty five days a year.
Would you agree with that.

Speaker 9 (02:34):
I would totally agree with that. Absolutely. They are here
with us all the time. When we know it, when
we don't know it. Maybe not in the bathroom though,
I don't know, you know what. I think I'm wrong
about that though, because I watched the Luxury yesterday that
was about bathroom ghosts, right, so they're there too.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Sorry, Yeah, yeah, I mean we think about it the bathroom. Listen,
you know where people go when they're not feeling well,
and so what makes sense. The rest, as they say,
is history. So, prior to getting involved in ghost hunting,
did you have ghostly or paranormal experiences?

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (03:07):
I started having paranormal experiences when I was about seven
or eight years old. It followed me throughout my entire life.
Even though I was terrified of it. I hated it.
I did not want it to happen when I was
eight years old. By the time I was eighteen, I
decided to join a ghost hunting team and figure out
why it was happening to me, why I was afflicted
by paranormal activity. Took a break from it throughout my twenties,

(03:29):
party had fun, as we do in our twenties, and
then in twofferent kind of spirits, different kind of spirit then,
and then in twenty nineteen started pretty ugh and spooky,
and now this is what I do all the time.

Speaker 8 (03:41):
It's my passion.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
So what happened when you were eight years old?

Speaker 9 (03:44):
When I was eight, I lived in what I call
a haunted duplex. And in this haunted duplex, when I
first moved in, I had a feeling it was haunted.
I had a feeling there was somebody else there. And
I wasn't predisposed to any paranormal media. There was no
reason why I should be feeling that way. But then
things started moving around at night. My dolls would move.
I had a vase move on my dresser from one

(04:06):
end to the other. I started having nightmares. It was
just very like traditionally haunted in this duplex. And then
when we eventually moved, I thought it would stop, but
it didn't. I continue to have paranormal experiences and realized
that this was just something I was going to experience
my whole life.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Did others experience much the same.

Speaker 8 (04:24):
So a little bit in the haunted duplex.

Speaker 9 (04:27):
My mom did agree that there was some weird stuff
going on, but my mom was also sorry. Totally dark,
dark topic to get right into. But my mom was
an addict as well, so she who knows what she
was experiencing. I make light of that, but but she
had some stuff happening, and then later on it was

(04:47):
mostly just me.

Speaker 8 (04:48):
My family was religious.

Speaker 9 (04:49):
I grew up Baptists, and so they were like, it's
demons or it's nothing. Uh so, yeah, I don't know
if they were experiencing anything, but if they were, they
didn't tell me. Okay, ye, I had to experience it alone.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Ever speak about what you were experiencing.

Speaker 8 (05:02):
I did.

Speaker 9 (05:02):
Once I got into my teen years, I decided to
start talking about it more openly. And then when I
joined the ghost hunting team, of course I spoke very
openly about it, but not when I was a kid. No.
I did make my mom switch me rooms though, in
that haunted duplex because I was afraid. Well no, no,
it continued happening, which I think was really just indicative

(05:24):
of the fact that I was sensitive. As people say,
I'm doing air quotes for people listening, but I think
I was pretty sensitive from an early age.

Speaker 8 (05:33):
And then, like I said, it followed me my whole life.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
So it's followed you. So from the duplex it went
to another residence after.

Speaker 9 (05:40):
That, Yeah, And I say followed like I used the
word followed very loosely, because it's not like one entity
was following me. But I believe the phenomena as a
whole followed me, or rather was always with me. So
I don't think that that specific ghost at at this
haunted duplex followed me to the other places that I lived,

(06:01):
But I think that the phenomena continued journeying with me
throughout the rest of my life. And now I'm into
much more things than just go some into all of it.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
So did it escalate.

Speaker 9 (06:13):
It has had periods of escalation throughout my life.

Speaker 8 (06:18):
But I wouldn't say it escalated.

Speaker 9 (06:20):
To like some huge level until I started really focusing
my intent and my work on the paranormal in twenty nineteen,
and then especially in twenty twenty, when I start exploring
high strangeness phenomena on the Olympic Peninsula as part of
a documentary project that I did, And that is when
the paranormal experience activity that I've experienced really kind of

(06:41):
exploded for me. Is when I started opening myself up
to all high strangeness and the full spectrum of paranormal phenomena.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
So what kinds of objects would move or be manipulated.

Speaker 9 (06:55):
Well, when I was a kid, it was a couple
dolls that I had, But I don't think that the
dolls were haunted, and I think that's important to say.
I think that whatever was haunting me or this duplex
decided to move the dolls to get my attention, But
I don't think that the dolls were haunted.

Speaker 8 (07:10):
A vase that I had moved.

Speaker 9 (07:12):
And then now I do have some haunted objects, now
that I.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
I certified haunted objects.

Speaker 9 (07:18):
Certified by me, whatever that means. But yeah, I do
have some haunted objects. Though I think that actual haunted
objects are rare and kind of few and far between.

Speaker 8 (07:27):
I think people are.

Speaker 9 (07:28):
Very quick to say that they have a haunted object,
but maybe they are just haunted in themselves, and the
ghosts like to use the objects to.

Speaker 8 (07:35):
Get their attention.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
You're talking about noisy ghosts. Maybe poulter geist activity. It
sounds like a little bit maybe.

Speaker 9 (07:41):
Yeah, I mean poulter guysed activity is typically a little
less intelligent and less easy to communicate with, because polter
guy's activity is like.

Speaker 8 (07:51):
Just moving things.

Speaker 9 (07:52):
But I think that these spirits were and that also
pulter guised activity typically happens that's actually an apt compare
so though, because when I was a teenager, that would
have been about the age that I would be experiencing
Poulter gas activity. Yeah, adolescence and like very liminal times,
like when you're going through change, that's when you experience
Poulter gas activity. But I do also think I've been

(08:13):
experiencing and interacting with intelligent spirits too that are less
like poulter Geist and more like an actual intelligence spirit.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
So we're talking about apparitions, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (08:24):
I have actually never really seen a full bodied apparition myself.

Speaker 8 (08:29):
I'll be honest, and I've seen things with my minds.

Speaker 9 (08:33):
I have seen things in my head, but then later
was able to corroborate that and know that it was
real because of what I said out loud and I
was able to prove it.

Speaker 8 (08:42):
But as far as with my.

Speaker 9 (08:43):
Eyes and seeing a full bodied apparition, I've seen some shadows,
but I've never seen like a full fledged, full bodied
apparition myself. I have some friends, some trusted people who
have but I haven't. And I'm starting to think at
this point, I turned thirty five next month.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
I may never see that.

Speaker 9 (08:58):
Like that might not be on that might not be
my journey, you know that that might not be something
uncapable of seeing.

Speaker 8 (09:03):
I see things in a different way.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Right, And you're also part of a movie that premiered
here at the Oregon Ghost Conference. What's the name of that?
Where is it streaming?

Speaker 8 (09:10):
Yeah, so we showed The Lady of the Lake.

Speaker 9 (09:14):
The Lady of the Lake is a documentary that I
filmed over the course of the last four years, based
out of the Olympic Peninsula. It's about a story surrounding
helly Ellingworth, a woman who was murdered and then thrown
into Lake Crescent on the Olympic Peninsula. And it kind
of follows my journey learning the history of Halle Illingworth,
the history of that crime story, and then also the

(09:34):
paranormal phenomena that Circle's circle.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Let's get into more of that and the history as
well when we come back from the Oregon Ghost Conference.
Speaking with Amanda Paulson into the Pair of Normal.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Into the pair of Pair of.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
Have you ever heard the story of the Lady of
the Lake?

Speaker 3 (10:11):
I think it's a sign I'm here.

Speaker 10 (10:14):
You would have scared the hill out of me seeing
a hand stick it up on the water, hands.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Sticking up out of the water. Welcome to the Oregon
Ghost Conference in Seaside. We're here with Amanda Paulson. That's
from the Lady or Lady of the Lake. I don't
think it's the Lady of the Lake. It's just Lady
of the Lake. And it's streaming where it is.

Speaker 8 (10:33):
The Lady of the Lake.

Speaker 9 (10:34):
Oh okay, The Lady of the Lake is streaming on Amazon,
it's on iTunes, it's on Google Play, it's everywhere, vod
anywhere that you can rent movies, all right.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, and it takes place you said on Lake Crescent,
which is up in the Olympic Peninsula. Kind of described
the area for us.

Speaker 9 (10:55):
Yeah, so when you go onto the Olympic Peninsula from Seattle,
you kind of enter onto the Olympic Peninsula and you
go onto this highway that brings you all the way
around the peninsula. And on that highway off of it
is Lake Crescent, which is this.

Speaker 8 (11:09):
Huge, beautiful lake.

Speaker 9 (11:11):
It's a very twilight askt for any vampire fans out there.
It's very beautiful, very rainy, rainiest place in the US.

Speaker 8 (11:20):
So yeah, it's very spooky out there.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
It's very cool, and so that creates kind of a
mystical backdrop I guess for this story.

Speaker 8 (11:27):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 9 (11:28):
There's a lot of phenomena that happens on the Olympic
Peninsula that isn't just ghost related. So I focus on
the ghost of Halle Illingworth, like I mentioned before, but
the Olympic Peninsula is also has a lot of high
strangest claims. It has sasquatch, as batsquatch sightings, as UFO sidings,
some of the highest UFO sidings in the country.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
So are all of those phenomena involved in the story
told in The Lady of the Lake.

Speaker 9 (11:51):
No. I mentioned it briefly in the documentary. I mention
the high strangest claims, but I do not get to
venture into that side of the peninsula, hopefully one day, so.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
You focus more on what the hauntings.

Speaker 9 (12:04):
I focus entirely on the haunting of Halle Illingworth and
her archetype The Lady of the Lake is. So people
have reported seeing the Lady of the Lake at Lake Crescent.

Speaker 8 (12:14):
In different areas doing different things.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
As we said, like what popping up out of the water.

Speaker 8 (12:19):
Well, that is actually how her body was found.

Speaker 9 (12:21):
So she was murdered in nineteen thirty seven and her
body floated to the top of the water in nineteen
forty because her body had supontified, which means her fat
turned to soap, a soap like texture, and it made
her float to the top of the water and two
fishermen found her by a hand sticking.

Speaker 8 (12:37):
Out of the water.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Interesting and so are people saying that they encounter her
spirit on the lake.

Speaker 8 (12:44):
Yeah, many people have encountered her spirit.

Speaker 9 (12:47):
They've either seen her on the side of the highway,
they've seen her standing on the lake, They've seen her
floating on the lake, and they've seen her in Lake
Crescent Lodge as well, which is where she used to work.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Interesting. So you joined a ghost hunting group. Why did
you do that? And tell us about those experiences. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (13:09):
In two thousand and eight I joined a ghost hunting
team in Montana to try to figure out why I
was experiencing paranormal activity my entire life, and that experience
taught me how to run very professional paranormal investigations. I
learned all about tech, I learned all about doing private
residences and businesses, and it was a very valuable experience.
But then later on, now as I've been pretty up

(13:29):
and spooky, I do everything entirely on my own.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
So what does a professional investigation look like or what
doesn't it look like?

Speaker 9 (13:37):
Well, I am somebody who does not think that there
are really any rules to any of this, but of
course looks very respectful, and a professional investigation will typically
look like keeping a log or a data log of
the activity happening, looking up the history of the location,
in the history of the paranormal claims, and so when

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you're doing a parent normal investigation versus like a ghost hunt.
A ghost hunt is more thrill seeking, and a paranormal
investigation typically comes from a place of wanting to solve
something or wanting to really present some evidence of something happening.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Use a technique known as automatic drawing. Is that correct?

Speaker 8 (14:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (14:17):
Yeah, So I also do psychic channel drawings that I
saw on my website, and I utilize automatic drawing doing that,
and in a lot of my investigations.

Speaker 8 (14:25):
It's something I'm super passionate about.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
And how did you come across that?

Speaker 9 (14:29):
So I've been an artist for about a decade and
I realized in my art that I was also.

Speaker 8 (14:35):
Kind of channeling and letting my hand.

Speaker 9 (14:37):
Sort of freely draw around the paper sometimes and I
realized that I could use that as a channeling method
to contact spirits and let them draw through my own.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Hand, so they take control kind of yeah.

Speaker 8 (14:50):
Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 9 (14:50):
I would say I still remain some autonomy while drawing,
but I also kind of interer a state of trance
and just let it happen. So I would say it's
half spirit led and half led by myself.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
So these drawings are have some sort of influence absolutely, yeah, yeah,
and that comes out in what you're actually in the
artwork itself.

Speaker 9 (15:11):
Yeah, so it'll come out kind of like scribbles and
a sort of weird and abstract looking. But I also
use scribe like I also use scrying. Excuse me to
look in the scribbles and look in the mess and
find other images that are in there as well. So
I love using that as a technique to bring forward
more detailed messages.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
How would you explain psychic channeling for me?

Speaker 9 (15:33):
Psychic channeling involves entering into a state of trance, so
that's just a different state than we're typically living in,
like right now, and then bringing forward messages from the
other side and letting them kind of use me as
a way to speak and communicate.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
And is this something that you help others, say, to
speak with the loved ones, to see departed loved ones
kind of.

Speaker 9 (15:56):
But I do it a little bit differently, and I
will oftentimes use these techniques to be able to read
situations similar to how Taro reading does. So I don't
always contact spirits of loved ones or even the dead
at all, but I will journey through the subconscious of
the living to try to pull out messages that they
need to hear at the time, and that's not always
from somebody who's died.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
You've talked about synchronicities right here at the ghost conferences.

Speaker 8 (16:20):
That correct, Yeah, that's what my lecture was about.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
You found you found some synchronicities between some of these
high strangeness events. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (16:27):
Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (16:28):
I feel that synchronicity is a language in itself, and
it's often trying to communicate to us how all high
strangeness claims are actually interconnected?

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Interesting and how do you think they're connected?

Speaker 9 (16:38):
Or I think personally I believe that phenomena, so that
being UFO phenomena, cryptive phenomena, and ghost phenomena, I think
they're interconnected. I often think that we are interacting with
phenomena that is maybe multiple things at once. For instance,
if you're experiencing sasquatch on the Olympic Peninsula, sometimes I
think that that's maybe actually the ghost of a being

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that was once on the Olympic Peninsula and not a
flesh like, actual animalistic thing.

Speaker 8 (17:08):
But I know a lot of.

Speaker 9 (17:09):
Sasquatch people will hate that, and there's a lot of
opinions on that in the hys Strange and It's community.

Speaker 8 (17:13):
It's just something I'm supervacing.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Hat all they want, but they haven't presented a body,
so we have to think outside the box. And one
of the popular terms these days is non human intelligence,
and Ahi, it kind of sounds like you're thinking a
little bit about something that's not entirely human.

Speaker 8 (17:29):
Yes, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 (17:31):
And I'm that's just something I always like to bring
up because I was a ghost hunter back in two
thousand and eight, and I still definitely am a ghost hunter,
but now I'm more interested in bringing all of the
phenomena together and also observing how the community observes the
phenomena and how we can all come together to try
to find some answers, because I think that we've been

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kind of found a discord or been at odds for
too long and that's why we haven't found more.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Right, So, what kind of research has been done into
the synchronicity of para events?

Speaker 9 (18:01):
So my research about synchronicity, yeah, or other research yeah.

Speaker 8 (18:06):
So a lot of it starts.

Speaker 9 (18:08):
With Carl Jung, who is the person who coined the
synchronicity term. And then a lot of people have done
a lot of projects regarding synchronicity. A really popular documentary
series as Hellier, who talks about synchronicity and its intersection
with high strangeness. And then my own research around synchronicity
is around manufacturing synchronicity on QUE. So I'll do a
lot of experiments where I will try to create synchronicities

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for other people on que so that then we can
use those experience to help charge or offer like a
soft spot to the other side and make it easier.

Speaker 8 (18:40):
For us to communicate.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Excellent. I met to tell the audience where they can
find you.

Speaker 9 (18:43):
I can be found at pretty f and spooky on
all social media platforms and prettyfnspooky dot com.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
And The Lady of the Lake is streaming where.

Speaker 8 (18:50):
Amazon Prime, Google Play, and iTunes.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Fantastic Thanks for joining us live here from the Oregon
Ghost Conference in Cside. She is Amanda Paulson. I'm Jeremy
Scott and will continue right after this.

Speaker 10 (19:55):
There's a hallway here at the convention center that we
were always told was haunted.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
We had some motion lights that would go off. We
were getting told to get the NFL groups that come
in and provoke.

Speaker 8 (20:16):
They get the spirits all worked up and.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Then they leave.

Speaker 9 (20:19):
But the people who have to go and work in
those locations now have to deal with angry spirits.

Speaker 10 (20:27):
The bola pretzels lifted up off the bar, dumped on
the head of one of the guys oh tackling her,
and a beer in front of the other guy lifted
off the bar and poured it on his lap.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
She's a ghost that shows up once in a while
and kind of scares people.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
We often on.

Speaker 8 (20:42):
Our FAsMA boxes or spirit boxes.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Will hear train whistles and it'll usually say his name.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
After that, they will hear people moving around in the
basement spaces, or somebody is down there changing.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Somebody lock on the door. We'll open the door. There's
nobody there.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
The truth is far a stranger that we'd like to believe.
You're headed somewhere between the pair of normal and abnormal
into the pair abnormal.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Those are some of the sounds from the Oregon Ghost
Conference that we had last year. We talked with so
many wonderful people. We take a snippet from each of one,
so you'll become a SoundBite to next year. Petereor Beazma
right here from Port Gamble up in Washington, he actually
leaves their Ghost Walks and Investigations, the coordinator for the

(21:32):
Port Gamble Ghost Conference, member of the extended research Team
of pri Paranormal Research and Investigations as a researcher and investigator,
and of course you work with other teams and investigators
as well, but you're also a psychic medium. Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (21:47):
That's what That's what they tell me. That's what the
universe tells.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Me, right, And so was it the Open Oregon Ghost
Conference way back when, in another lifetime that really started
this journey for you?

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yes, the orient Ghosts Conference did start my journey into
this psychic work, and the journey was in twenty thirteen.
I went back when the conference was in Oregon City,
which was really fun doing the tours around there and
walking around and feeling that place out. So ye had
started in twenty thirteen. When I had my first psychic

(22:20):
reading ever, I walked by a gentleman's booth. I see
him standing right over here, Seth Michael, and he had
a conference special for readings, and I thought, what the heck,
got nothing to lose, let's give it a try. I
was pretty skeptical of getting a reading in the first place,
and so I sat down with Seth and he pretty

(22:41):
much blew my mind and changed my world.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Were you working for port Gamble at that time?

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Yeah, I started working for the Tan of Port Gamble
in twenty eleven, and so I was at the Oregon
Ghost Conference too. Was my first time there to promote
the poor Gamble Ghost Conference, and so that's why I
was going there and didn't really realize I was about
to enter a new part of journey in my life.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
So did you start the ghost conference before you had
a paranormal experience?

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Well, I didn't start the ghost conference. It started a
year before I started working there. Okay, from one of
our former town managers was very interested in the paranormal,
and she had herself lived there for many years and
experienced many things, and so that's kind of how it
got started. There were so many people reporting experiences all
over the town, and she said, hey, let's get some

(23:28):
people to come in and talk about it. And so
they brought in some speakers and I started working for
the town and kind of came into it the second year.
I had already had plenty of paranormal experiences in my life,
so I was an open skeptic at that point in
my life, joining that ghost conference and then came to
the Oregon Ghost Conference and left a changed person. Where

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is Port Gamble? Port Gamble is directly across Puget Sound
from Seattle, so we're in Kitsap County, where more specifically
in North Kitts County, right near the Hood Canal Bridge.
Most people have heard of Paulsbo or Port Townsend, and
we're kind of in between those.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Is the town haunted?

Speaker 5 (24:10):
Well, if you ask me, I'm gonna say yes, okay,
And if you ask most people, they're going to say yes.
I think most tourism maps I ever see of Washington
there's a little ghost icon over Port Gamble on all
the maps, So yes, I think people think it's haunted.
There's reports in the vast majority of the buildings that
are there. The Walker Ames Walker Ames House is probably

(24:34):
the most notable, most notable. I was going to say, yeah,
the most notable house. It's definitely the most unique looking
house in the town. Built in eighteen eighty eight, finished
in eighteen eighty nine, it has probably the most reports
of activity. But I'll say it's probably because we have
the most access to that place. Nobody lives there.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
We pissed off the ghosts of time or two and
they make themselves known on a regular.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yeah, we call them our long term ten or a
long term residence. But specifically in that house, nobody lives
there because it needs you know, full plumbing, rework and everything.
There's no certificate of occupancy, so we have the most
access to that one because it's not rented, right.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
What kinds of things have happened there, Well, you name it.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
We've I've personally witnessed full bodied apparitions, footsteps, voices. I've
been slapped on the rear end a few times. We
to leave a mark, No, never never left a mark.
So I've never been scratched or pushed on the stairs
or anything like that. I've run into somebody that I
couldn't see. I've had communicate direct communication with spirits where

(25:43):
they're answering questions directly to me. But yeah, you name it,
it's happened. The house is probably most well known for
the amount of audio that comes out of it. Are
these coherent conversations some of them, yes, I would say
there's there's definitely a mix of a haunting of where
you're at, somebody just saying something and not really aware

(26:05):
that we're there. But in a lot of cases they
will say my name. A lot of spirits there ask
for me specifically, so you can end up having a conversation.
So it's a case of pete and repeat totally and
three pete.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
I love it. I love it. Any threats. Have you
ever felt intimidated or scared or run out of it?

Speaker 5 (26:28):
I'm an area for your life. I have been freaked
out in there. Most of the time. I feel pretty
comfortable in the house or really anywhere in the town.
I'll say that one evening I was in the attic
by myself. It was this little after midnight. I was
doing a Facebook live to promote the ghost conference, and
I just had that all the sudden feeling of somebody's

(26:51):
watching me and I should not be here right now.
And when I turned to look at where the exit
of the attic was, there was a pair of bright
red eye looking at me. And as soon as I
saw those, I had that rushing feeling of I am
not supposed to be here right now.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Why is it always red eyes?

Speaker 5 (27:09):
I have no idea, I really don't unless it's like
they know, red triggers fear in the living or something maybe,
And that's what the two blood. The color of blood. Yeah,
I don't know what it is, but it freaked me out.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah. Absolutely. I was walking by you last night, you
were doing one of your your tours here in Seaside,
and you were playing some EVP clips. What have you
captured on audio up in my gamble? Well, I mean I've.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Captured a pretty good gambit of types of audio from
I've captured. There's a guy in poor gamble that I
kind of call him.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
He's the Jabberer.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
I don't know. He sounds very jowy. You can never
tell what he says, but it's it's kind of what
he sounds like. I've got from that, I've got clear.
One of the clips I was playing last night was
I asked a question if somebody used to live across
the street, and somebody straight up answered me, yes, pete,
very clear. And so you get very clear things we've got.

(28:12):
I've gotten whistles, you know, low, We've gotten foreign language voice,
you know, voices coming through in foreign language. So kind
of the whole gambit from there's been you know, class
a lot of Class A vps, very clear, loud. There's
also been a lot of really garbly stuff that's really quiet.
But there's something there to it, all.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Right, So in your childhood you had experiences, right, Yes, Yes,
My mother waited until a few years after I discovered
psychic mediumship to tell me that I used to talk
about a tall shadow man in the corner of my
bedroom when I was real little.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
And do you remember that. I do not really quite
remember that. I can see a visualization of it, but
I think I have associated that now with my great
grandfather being very tall and lanky. When I was seven
years old, driving through northern Arizona heading to Sedona for
the summer, my grandfather was driving, I was sitting in

(29:14):
the middle, my grandfather was or my grandmother was taking
a nap next to me. We're driving along and all
of a sudden, two Native American warriors appeared in the
middle of the highway. My grandfather slammed his brakes on
and as soon as we got to them, they just vanished, poof,
they were gone. My grandpa looked at me, and he's
from a different generation, says, did you see them old

(29:34):
Indians in the road? And I said yes, And that's
when I thought, oh my gosh, it wasn't just me
that saw it, all right.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
When is the port Gamble Ghost Conference coming up?

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Ghost Conference is November seventh through ninth this year, so
it's Veterans Day weekend and port gamble dot com. Porgamble
dot COM's where you can find it.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Thanks Pete. That's Peter's Jeremy from the Oregon Ghost Conference
in Seaside.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Into the paraph.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Live from the Oregon Ghost Conference here in the blustery Seaside,
Oregon for the thirteenth Daniel. I'm Jeremy Scott joined by
Michael Caine now as a hypnotist, hypnotherapist, registered nurse who
has studied the occult and religion and has experience of
both stage and practical magic. In addition to a successful

(30:56):
hypnotherapy practice. Michael has also performed from major cruise lines
and been a headliner in Las Vegas. You know, Michael,
I used to be a magician once. Okay. I used
to do the cups and balls and the cut the
rope in the half. I used to have a dove pan. Yeah,
used the light things on fire. It wasn't my calling.

(31:17):
How do you get involved in it?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Though?

Speaker 3 (31:18):
So as a kid, I.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Was very much I got into doing exactly what you're
talking about, doing the stage magic and all the things.
And as time went on, I was an avid reader.
I had come across a book on hypnosis in the
public library back in the days when you used a
card catalog, and that always stuck with me. And I've

(31:41):
dabbled in all sorts of things over the years. And
about twenty six, twenty seven years ago, friend of mine
became a hypnotherapist. Was a little nervous about actually performing
as a therapist. Needed a guinea pig. I said, well,
I don't think I could be hypnotized, but sure we'll
give it a shot, and woke up an hour later.

(32:01):
I'm apologizing because I think I've slept. She's like you
were talking the entire time. I'm like no, I was not.
She goes look at that picture, and I look at
the picture and I swear the lips on the picture moved.
I was actually supposed to hear an audible sound, but
I didn't. But I saw the lips move, and I'm like,
I must learn to do this thing. So I became
a hypnotherapist after that. Right, So you did stage magic? Yeah, yeah,

(32:25):
I did that as a kid. I up and through
my teens, I did stage and then what do you
do now? My main job, I'm a psychiatric nurse. Okay
at Oregon State Hospital. Probably shouldn't say that.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Okay, at a hospital, at a hospital in the state. Yeah,
all right, thank you for that clarification. Is that place haunted?

Speaker 4 (32:47):
That's the rumor. I have not personally experienced anything. I've
had people tell me that they've had strange going ons.
A lot of our buildings are newer, but some of
the old buildings on campus. There are some stories out
of including a nurse who retired that said, I'm really
going to miss seeing that gal at six pm doing

(33:09):
rounds when everybody else is in the nurses station and
there would be nobody on the floor in that moment.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
So is it more of a case that the people
are hunted, that possessed. Well, I wouldn't say possessed, but yeah,
there's there. There's a number of things and the energy there.
It can be very, very strange at times, but for
the most part it's pretty quiet. How did your fascination
with the paranormal begin? Oh, goodness, I've always thought it

(33:38):
was cool. Yeah, ever since, even as a child.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
It's Holtzer's books were available in my school library in
grade school, of all things. So I've always had an
interest and I've always thought any anything that was new, different, strange.
I was never that kid that just you know, football
and all that. If it was odd, I was into it.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Who's Bridie Murphy? So Bridy Murphy's out of the fifties.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
It was a case of accidental past life for aggression.
And as the story goes, and there's some people that
claim it's been debunked, but as the story goes, the
guy accidentally regresses this woman. She says she's from Ireland
from several hundred years ago before her name was Bridie Murphy.

(34:30):
She talks about her life and it's a serious of
sessions that were done exploring this person's life, and many
of the details of this person's life were able to
be verified. There is a question as to whether or
not the person had pre knowledge now, but back in
the day, everybody just assumed it was what it was,
and that's really kind of what kicked off the whole

(34:52):
past life for regression through hypnosis. Are you personally a
believer of past lives? I am a agnostic. I don't
know if I believe it or not. I do know
that every time I've done one, it has been therapeutic
for the person I work with.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Now, when you say done one, what is that?

Speaker 2 (35:06):
So?

Speaker 4 (35:06):
I do past life regressions either as individuals or as groups.
We've even done come as you were parties where we
take everybody, hypnotize them, bring out their past life and
let those personalities interact. And it's always been some sort
of benefit. And I've seen enough strange coincidences to really

(35:29):
make me wonder what's going on where somebody will tell
me this happened just the other night here they told
me that they have a physical condition where they can't burp,
And I said, do you know what that's from? And
he's like, no, idea. Doctors just say it's this thing,
blah blah blah. We do the past life for regression
and he comes back, he goes, you know, my past life,

(35:50):
I had stomach cancer and I'm like, okay, that's interesting something.
Or people will have birthmarks and then in a past
life that's where they had a wad of some sort,
and again is it probative. It's interesting, it's fun and people,
like I said, people usually walk away with a improvement

(36:14):
in their life.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Certainly, So you use hypno regression.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Yeah, hypnosis, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
In order to tap into someone's past lives.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Correct. Yeah, you take them back through time, you take
them back before they're born and see where they land.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
And how does that work.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
It's using your imagination, using your sense of focus. It's
an altered state of consciousness. And just like doing any
other kind of therapy or doing what I do on
stage where you cluck like a chicken, bark like a dog.
And the real key for any of this is to
work what we call clean where I do not accidentally

(36:54):
lead or suggest to you what it is you're going
to need to experience. I let you come up with it,
not me.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
And this is not something that's set up like a
planted audience member for a magic trick. This is spontaneous,
This comes from somewhere correct.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah, it would be very, very difficult to do this
as a plant because I do it with an entire
room full. So here at the conference, we'd have fifteen
twenty people in the room. We do it with everybody
all at once. So no, it's does.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Everybody experience some sort of result?

Speaker 4 (37:31):
No, some people just get very relaxed. A few people
won't go under, and that's usually my fault because I
haven't made them comfortable enough to go under. Anybody can
be hypnotized. It's really a matter of making them feel
comfortable and safe enough to allow the experience to happen.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
What's the wildest thing that's happened on stage during one
of these events? Oh?

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Wow, I have had Yeah, I think I think the
weirdest one was I did a come as you were
a party and had several people that did not know
each other, and they were interacting and calling each other.
They hadn't actually said their name, their previous name, but

(38:17):
they're calling each other out, and they had known each
other in that past life and did not know each
other in the current current world, And that was just bizarre.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Well, they may have left here as new best friends.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Do you think that this can help with individuals trauma
that they may carry over bagg and sort of speak
from a previous life? Yes.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
I had a client who was terrified of water, and
we did a I was very frustrated because I couldn't
solve the problem, so I kind of went for broke
and did a past life with her. And in her
past life she had passed away from drowning. And when
I brought her back to the here and now, she's like, oh, okay,

(39:01):
well that explains it and leaves. And four years later
I get an email from her going, oh, by the way,
I'm on the women's sailing team in college and I'm
trying out for the Olympics and she was terrified of
water prior to walking into my office.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
It sounds like it can put people a little bit
out peace. Yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
And whether that is something that actually happened back then
and they are brought forward, or if it's just they're
subconscious saying here's how I'm going to rationalize this so
I can move forward. I don't know. And I'll be
honest kind of don't care because it's beneficial.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
How do we get in contact with you?

Speaker 4 (39:39):
You can get The easiest way to get a con
through me is through Facebook for our note page, which
is our paranormal group, Northern Oregon Paranormal Explorers, or through
gig masters for and just look for doctor feel good.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Sounds good, But thank kay, thank you so much for
joining us here live from the Oregon GO Conference in Seaside.
I'm Jeremy Scout.

Speaker 6 (40:11):
Don't venture too far.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
You might not make it back into the pair of normal.

Speaker 11 (40:24):
There's a parallel universe. Fil there's separations.

Speaker 7 (40:31):
While we perceived true reality.

Speaker 12 (40:37):
Over the case.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Let the truth be known.

Speaker 11 (40:40):
It's all a mister Ille into the pair of dome,
Go into the parent doll, go into the parent.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
No cross.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
It's okay to hold hands.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
You never know what might come up from behind, even
if you don't tear it.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Our broadcast continues from the OREGONOS conference here in Seaside
for the thirteen annual I'm Jerviy Scott. We're joined next
by Timmy Conrad, who has over twenty seven years of
experience in helping people understand and resolve issues surrounding paranormal
activity and also a lifetime of experience of issues surrounding
paranormal activity. She has been a counselor and coach officially

(41:39):
for almost three decades. We talked a little bit about
trauma in the last segment, and there are people who
suffer trauma from paranormal events. Correct, That is correct.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I haven't met a lot of people with paranormal events
who have not had a.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
History of trauma.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
And what are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (41:57):
It could be anything, because the perception trauma is how
the person's body responds to what they went through. So
it can be a slight from when they were a child.
It could be something big from sexual assault or abuse,
or it could be bullying from school. There are so

(42:20):
many different avenues for some children who come to adults.
It could have just been something that was spoken to
them at an impressiable time in their life and they
held that negative self talk and allowed it to limit
and sabotage the rest of their life.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Have you experienced trauma from the paranormal yourself?

Speaker 13 (42:41):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (42:42):
What happened to you? When I was.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Four and I kind of touched on it Friday when
I was four years old, I was asleep in bed
at night and our house was very haunted. I was
asleep in bed and I had to get up and
go to the bathroom. And it's one of the earliest
memories that I have. I was trying to get out
of the bed and I couldn't. All four sides were blocked.
It was like there were.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Walls around the sleep paralysis. Probably.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
So what I've learned since then is a lot of
people who have those experiences, whether they've seen shadow people,
sleep paralysis, touched by a ghosts, whatever that paranormal experience
may be, they develop OCD patterns. And so for me,
my OCD pattern that manifested was pathways. I absolutely have

(43:30):
to have my pathways clear at all times, even now
at fifty seven. When you bring a packaging and you
don't put it in the floor, you put it by
the wall, you can't flock my pathways. And I was
probably forty five before I realized that those are picked up.
And as the more I talk to people who have
had those experiences as children, I find these little OCD
tendencies with them. I have a friend who washes their

(43:54):
hands three times every single time, and when I got
talking to her, which she was about five, she had
the experience of a ghost or an energy grab her
hand and when she pulled it back and screamed, her
hand to her felt slimy. So from that moment on
she washes her hands three times every time. And so

(44:16):
we're looking, especially as parents watching our children, when they
start developing an OCD pattern and they're telling you they're
experiencing things, then that might be the time to look
into getting some investigative assistance.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
So is that where you might help out? Yes, And
what is a session I guess entail for particularly someone
who's inexperienced paranormal So we have two pathways.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
We have secular nonsecular. And so because I am state licensed,
I have to keep those boundaries exceptionally clear, and so
when people are talking to me at those experiences, I
have to really put that disclaimer out. I'm not talking
to you as a licensed professional counselor. I'm talking to
you as someone who has experienced these other things and
has a lot of training in this area. So the

(45:12):
first things we start ruling out mundane. I mean I'm
always going to rule out the mundane. You know, if
you're hearing things run across your ceiling, do you have mice,
you have squirrels in your attic, those kinds of things.
We're always going to if you're just moved into a
new building and you're hearing voices or having hallucinations, we're gonna,

(45:33):
you know, have have you run the emf uh the
MP through your house because a lot of like older
houses and trailers always put the electrical box above the bed,
and so you're going to experience those kind of things
if you have EMP sensitivity. So we want to rule
out the mundane first and then move forward and see what's.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Left interesting because not everything is paranormal. Correct, you find
that some of this can be explained with a rational explanation.
A lot of times it can, right.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
And then when we also look at other experiences, all
of the energy that we put out, when we look
at hauntings that resemble like Poultric Eister stuff, we always
have you know, teenagers or negative energy or drama or
trauma or things like that going on in the household,
and you've got all that energy building up. Essentially, it

(46:30):
has no place to go, and it can manifest into
its own kind of identity, and there are ways to
clear that out without necessarily going through mental health professionals.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
At all times.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Sometimes you do need to, so you have to look
at what's going on and how to clear up that manifestation.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Would you say that true paranormal cases are rare? I
think they're or the minority. Maybe I don't think that
they're rare. I think that they are mis represented many times.
Because if you are having a true paranormal experience and

(47:09):
you don't understand what is going on, and your friends
and family are not experiencing the same things, most likely
you're just going to be referred to mental health and
they are not going to be able to take into
consideration any kind of paranormal events. Right, So can humans

(47:31):
can we be the targets of ghosts? I mean, do
they do they go after people? I believe they do
in certain situations. I find that.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
With the people that I have encountered, most of it
they've kind of brought on themselves by doing unsafe practices
without proper knowledge, skill, or experience with them.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
So how do they interact with us or maybe interfere
with us?

Speaker 1 (48:06):
The interference can be it can resemble mental health illnesses
such as bipolar or schizophrena, and it can also cause
medical and physical concerns. So if you have a loved
one who has passed and they don't mean any ill
harm towards you, but just say, for example, they had

(48:29):
arthritis in their knees and they're attaching to you because
they miss you and they know that you miss them,
or you're holding them somehow because you're not able to
get through that grief.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
You might find.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yourself having those need problems, those manifestations. The same with
like drug and alcohol concerns.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Sure, so how can someone contact you if they want
to know and maybe they're in the market for talking
with somebody about what's happened to them from somebody who's
experienced it themselves. That was a ghost by the way.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
For right now, I'm just really on Facebook and so
just through my personal page. I don't have a website
at this time.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Do you take consultations through that method or.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I do sometimes And I have a lot of referrals,
you know, friends who know friends, because I do work
a job that's eight to five and I have to
keep those clear lines because.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Yeah, all right, Timmy Conrad, thank you so much for
joining us here from the Oregon Ghost Conference. I'm Jeremy Scott,
and we will continue our broadcast live here from Seaside
at the thirteenth Daniel Oregon Ghost Conference. Right after this.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Into the para Normal.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
From the Oregon Ghost Conference in Seaside, I am Jeremy
Scott's Shannon Madson joining us Raiki master hypnotist, energy medicine practitioner,
lifelong affinity to the paranormal. I understand, how'd that begin
for you?

Speaker 13 (50:54):
Very accurate. I was raised in a very haunted house.
It never really stopped. I ended up working for the
medical Examiner and I realized I still had gifts at
that point in my life. Uh, and then I had
I lost my brother and I had an experience with
him where I decided I really needed to be able

(51:15):
to talk to him whenever and hear him when he
talked to me whenever. So and also for my healing,
I started out with reiki, then I went to hypnosis school,
shamanic school, many many different adventures on my on my
healing journey, and it just turned into I wanted to

(51:36):
help other people with the things that had helped me.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
And so what does that entail. Someone reaches out to you,
they say they've had a paranormal experience. What is your
role for that.

Speaker 13 (51:47):
I have done a documentary called Parasons the Naked Experiments.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Oh, you were involved in Ross and the Jets. Yeah
so you You didn't so I brought your clothes off,
did you? I mean that will never be aired or
talked about. Oh, it won't be talked about or okay,
so that's a yes.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 13 (52:06):
Just I took one for the team because if I'm
asking other people to undergo experiments like that, I felt
like I should know what it felt like. But it
wasn't anything that would ever be aired.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Right, Are you willing to tell us like what happened?

Speaker 13 (52:22):
Yeah, we were in the Shanghai Tunnels in San Francisco,
and there was actually another psychic down there with me,
and I didn't It's not like I had the full
experience of being alone in the room by myself. I
think it would have been way more intense if that

(52:42):
had happened. I didn't personally have any real experiences other
than just vibes while I was down there. But it
was kind of short and it wasn't like a true
experiment like what we were doing with other people. I
wouldn't say, but the other experiments I was involved in,
I would add or a photography to so they would
be on my sensor, which has a simulation around their body,

(53:04):
and they would say, oh, something touched my stomach, and
you would literally see black holes appear. And every time
someone had an experience, their aura would drop from whatever
their baseline color was down to red, which is fight
or flight. So and you could just see these instantaneous
results that also aligned with other sensors, say sonar or

(53:24):
whatever else we had going on around them. So it
was so interesting. I feel like we really did prove touch.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Yeah. Was there a feeling that came along with this experience?

Speaker 13 (53:37):
Oh definitely. We went to some very very haunted places
Bushy Mountain State Penitentiary and Tennessee. Those walls talk like
no other I've ever been to. And we actually that's
where we caught the scratch from the scientists that worked
on this case. When he talked rudely to the spirits.
He didn't really believe in this stuff, and then it

(53:57):
scratch scratched him. Yeah, and I was the one there
with him when that happened.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
I actually heard it, and.

Speaker 13 (54:04):
I've had many experiences in my life, but it's just like,
can we go now right? Yeah, it was really intense.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
And are these continual experiences.

Speaker 13 (54:15):
I still do some investigating. I don't like investigating. It's
not like I'm trying to like hunt ghosts. I more
like to clear the energy, especially if there's kids in
the home. I don't like to leave babies in a
terrified state, for sure, or even adult adults. I like
to just make everything better. I don't like to think

(54:35):
about energy being stuck or trapped anywhere. I want to
get it home. I send everything home with love. So
if I am involved with something, parisons was to prove
touch and validate experiences for others that can make you
feel crazy. And then when I'm involved in anything through
my own work, it's more to clear energy, put everything

(54:56):
back where it's supposed to go. You know, the longer
it's trapped on the other side, the less energy a
source it has to make it there. So I like
to create that channel and then I send it home
with love.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Is there process? I mean you've kind of just described it,
but you know, any sort of ritual that you go through,
any you know, special potions that you carry or anything.

Speaker 13 (55:17):
Like that, you don't need anything but your heart, so
you don't need safe I do well it's kind of
whatever I feel drawn to do. For each particular case.
I do some mental imagery. The reason that that is
so cool to me is that you can use air, earth, water, fire,
or spirit. Spirit is this realm of ideas, imagination, the

(55:41):
heavenly realms and your imagination. Your imagination is your sixth sense.
So if you're clearing energy and something comes to you
as like, oh do that, mental imagery is an element.
I'm actually using that to shift energy. So I do
mental imagery, I do stage crystals, whatever, But I just

(56:02):
you don't need anything technically. It's whatever makes you feel better,
whatever helps you believe in it more that will give
more power to it.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
So when we talk about thinning the veil, how would
you describe that? Is it like a doorway from this
world to say, the afterlife or what.

Speaker 13 (56:20):
I think of it? As we come into this world
and usually children are pretty intuitive, and then this life
just starts throwing wet blankets on us, and it's peeling
back those layers to where there's seven billion bits of
information hitting your brain every second and you can't possibly
consciously grasp all of that. So your brain goes for

(56:41):
what helps you survive essentially, and then you can tell
your brain it's a supercomputer. You can tell your brain, hey,
I don't want to see a scary, burned up apparition.
Show me like a flash of light or ether, or
just let me know or have a knowing of this
presence here with me. You can tell your brain how
you want to receive information and turn it back on.

(57:02):
You can create new neural pathways, so when something happens,
you say yes, thank you brain, more of that, show
me more of that, and you can kind of fake
it till you make it too, Pretend like you saw it.
Thank your brain, and it'll start building those neural pathways,
and it's in your imagination. You're doing this, and then
pretty soon it starts taking you for riots.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Interesting. So how do we go about contacting a deceased
loved one?

Speaker 13 (57:31):
I would imagine just talking to them. I think that
they can hear you. I've had a lot of validation
from the other side that my brother is not only
hearing me when I talk, but that he's talking to
me often like he loves ghost con.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
And on my way here, I'll get like fifty.

Speaker 13 (57:52):
Confirmations that he's riding shotgun like he'll just hit me
with it one after another, like you know. So on
my special weekends, he shows up for sure and tells
me he's there and he loves me, and I know
he's watching and he's proud of me.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Is he just an observer? No, I think he is
very involved.

Speaker 13 (58:10):
I actually think he's the one who got that or
a photography system going for.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Me interesting, So he set you up for success.

Speaker 13 (58:18):
Yeah, and he was very into all of this too.
I think when I went to hypnosis school as well,
we would read psychology books when we were a little
and like diagnose ourselves with OCD and whatnot. So he's
always been very into that stuff. So I think when
I went to hypnosis school. Actually was funny when I
turned on the street to go meet with the teacher
to see if it was a good fit. The last

(58:39):
road is like a mile long, and as I turned
on it, a flock of geese descended upon my car
and put me in the v and I could literally
reach out and touch the goose outside of my window,
and he was like looking me dead in my soul,
and they led me right to that hypnosis school driveway
and they flew off to the right and I turned

(59:00):
into the left.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
That's an amazing story. Yeah, so she had to tell
us about how the audience can find you.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
I have a website.

Speaker 13 (59:08):
It's Aura about you dot com with hyphens in between,
because I didn't want to buy the other one without him.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Okay, so somebody else has the other one.

Speaker 13 (59:17):
Yeah, I don't think it's in use. They're just good guessers.
And then I am on Facebook under Aura about You.
I'm on Instagram. I think you can find it under
or about you, but it's naughty shaman k n O
T T y shaman all one word. And then any
way that they can find online to get a hold
of me is good with me phone number.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Email Shina Madsen at the Oregon Ghost Conference. We appreciate
it so much, Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (59:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Will be back with our director Rocky Smith coming up next.

Speaker 12 (01:00:28):
I don't want no one's sack into that room.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
Into the arab normal Abnormal enter at your own risk.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
All right, we are back with the man responsible for
this all. We all love him and we can't wait
to do it again next year. Rocky Smith, director of
the Oregon Ghost Conference. Yeah, you can apply, thank you, thankfully.
We can't applaud so rocky. How was it this year?
I know I'm asking you to, on very little sleep
recount the events of the weekend, but I can. I

(01:01:19):
can safely say here it looks like another successful Ghost
conference here on a blustery weekend in late March in Oregon.

Speaker 10 (01:01:29):
Yeah, so people ask me how the weekend went. It's
still going and haven't looked at any of the financials,
still working on all the wrap ups that you do
on the last day, but it feels like this year
went smooth. Every year we have improve on things, we

(01:01:49):
do better on things, we add things, so it's a
learning experience. And every time you do an event, you
hope it gets closer to the vision that you have
of what it's going to be. And most of my
life I've planned a lot of events, and I've always
had a vision in my head what the event's going
to look like the weekend of and it usually never

(01:02:11):
does meet that, but no one knows that because they
don't know the vision in my head.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Every year, the vision gets.

Speaker 10 (01:02:19):
Closer to where it's supposed to be and what I
want it and to and this year is no exception.
It's better and better every year it's so close to
the event that I have been envisioned and want it
to be. But we're still going to improve it and
we're going to still continue to learn from it and
grow this event.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
It's amazing how many people locally in the Pacific Northwest region, Oregon, Washington,
even up maybe British Columbia, California, but people really come
from all over the place.

Speaker 10 (01:02:49):
Yes, we had a pair of people I met that
actually flew from the UK to be here this weekend.
So I'm shocked, and in fact I went to meet them.
I took photos with them. And as a director and
person in charge of an event like this, you don't
get to have a lot of time to talk to people.

(01:03:10):
Like on the last couple of days, I tried to
make an effort to talk to some of the vendors
and talk to people. But on some of the investigations
last night and events where I got a chance to
kind of sit off the side and watch, I asked people, so,
you know, where are you from, what brought you here? Oh,
this is my first time or this is my second time.
What did you think of it? Because I hardly ever

(01:03:32):
get that opportunity, and so having a conversation with people
off the side to say what brought you here. I
don't get to do that enough. And I tried to
really make an effort at doing that yesterday, and I
was just so excited to hear from people. I've talked
about this many times. When you plan an event, it's

(01:03:52):
such a structured kind of plan thing, and you think
in your mind, I'm planning this event. You never realize
until later talk to people how much that it actually
affects people like I mean literally, and you know, we're
talking to Pete where he said, you know, going to
the ghost conference, had this experience that kind of changed
his life, and it happens to so many people. That's

(01:04:14):
not something that you think about when you start planning
a vendor conference or a speaker conference or an event,
but it happens, and so it's built a community that
has had a ripple effect that we really didn't I
don't think have fully ever understood, and still don't. And
I think that is pretty incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
I almost think of you as the gatekeeper of all
things paranormal in the Pacific Northwest. I mean, there really
is no seriously, is a.

Speaker 10 (01:04:45):
Huge compliment and I don't even think I could accept
that compliment. I mean, there is nobody else that that
on snap of a finger can riddle off story after
story after story. Like if I said, look across the
street at that building right there, you would probably be
able to tell me a story that app I go,

(01:05:06):
but I don't think I'm going to tell you this
story about the holiday in But there is a story
and I do know it, So yeah, that's true. I mean,
you should have written a book by now, but with
what time exactly? So I have two or three books
in my head. Of course, one of them or two
of them or three of them are Oregon City alone.

(01:05:28):
I would like to write a book about the Ermit
Tanger House, which is really the house that in Oregon
City that started this whole thing. So the best I
have done is I've also found out that I hope
people don't be aren't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Offended by this.

Speaker 10 (01:05:43):
But a lot of authors they write books that include
other people's stories and put their name on it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Maybe I need to do that.

Speaker 10 (01:05:52):
So I haven't written my own book, but I've contributed
to a lot of other author's books with my stories,
and so there's a couple of books that I am in.
But I do really want to write my own book
or to at some point, but you know, I have
three or four jobs and writing a book is not
something I'm going to get to right away.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Yeah. I mean, we're talking about hundreds of stories just
from I mean Oregon City, right.

Speaker 10 (01:06:17):
I actually kind of say this frequently, and people think
I'm joking. I just by jotting down, sitting and jotting
down to every place in Oregon City that I know
a ghost story. It's it's probably one hundred hundred locations
in Oregon City that I have and it's not more
that it's more than just oh we heard a couple
of noises. There's real stories that I know. And to

(01:06:39):
take a town of the size of Oregon City and
say a hundred places are haunted, I mean, I don't
think people believe it when I say that. But I
can write the list, and I've done this, and so
going back and trying to document and write all those
and keep track of all the stories, A lot of
them are in my head. Sometimes I write them onto
paper to keep them notes and stuff. But trying to

(01:07:02):
organize all the all the things that I have researched
over the years is a lot of time. I mean,
when you look at Oregon City, we're talking about a very,
very rich history. This was the first city the end
of the Oregon Trail, and I say this a lot,
and people here at Seaside are like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
He talks a lot about Oregon City. That's where it started.
But it started.

Speaker 10 (01:07:22):
And I said, I'm lucky to have grown up in
Oregon City because I learneder Oregon City's history.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
And guess what.

Speaker 10 (01:07:28):
By knowing Oregon City's history, I know Sea high Side's history,
right because when I started, when the conference was asked
to move here by the city, they said, well, do
you know the history here? I said, well, no, I want.
I need to learn some of it, and you know
what haunted places and build a relationship with the community,
because people don't tell you ghost stories unless they feel
like they can trust you and you're part of the community.

(01:07:49):
This town now is telling me their stories because I'm
part of this town almost like I.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Am Oregon City.

Speaker 10 (01:07:56):
But what happens is kind of build that over time.
And now I've lost Trasca. What I was thinking, the
darn it of the history of Oregon City, Well, well yeah,
thank you. The history of Oregon City. I've got two
hours of sleep the last two nights. Learning the history

(01:08:17):
of Oregon City gives you the connection. So when I
started looking up Seaside, while Seaside was founded, essentially not founded,
but Ben Holiday built a seaside home. Ben Holiday was
kind of the barren of the railroad transportation system which
was started in a competition to build the railroads from
Portland Oregon City and Ben Holiday, when we say built

(01:08:39):
the railroads, didn't The Chinese laborers built the railroads and
Ben Holiday made a fortune. And the two companies, two
railroad companies were competing to build a railroad line essentially
connecting Oregon City in Portland. And as you probably know,
Oregon City was the big city, not Portland. So basically

(01:09:00):
the two companies said, well, whoever reaches Oregon City with
the railroad line first takes over the railroad, and that
was Ben Holiday. He made a fortune, so he builds
a massive house here in Seaside, which he turns into
a hotel or seaside home, which is what gives Seaside
its name. And so therefore, knowing Oregon City's history and

(01:09:22):
making that connection, I know Seaside's history and how to
start that, and so knowing Oregon City's history is essentially
knowing the entire West coast history.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Yeah, there is a direct correlation there. We're going to
pause for just a short moment and we'll be back
with Rocky Smith, director of the Oregon Ghost Conference.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Into the Paranormal.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
All right, we are back live at the Oregon Ghost Conference,
Rocky Smith, director with us talking about all things paranormal
here in the seaside and also in Oregon City. You
actually took a night off from doing a ghost tour
to teach a class about some of these mysteries as well.

Speaker 6 (01:11:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:11:00):
Actually, so Friday night, I did a main event. It
wasn't just a class, I mean, it was a.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
I'm sorry, main event. Yeah, because you are you're a star.
I did a class and you're the gatekeeper of the
Pacific Northwest when it comes to the paranormal.

Speaker 10 (01:11:16):
Or it was too cheap to pay a headliner for Friday.

Speaker 8 (01:11:18):
Night, so I took it on myself.

Speaker 10 (01:11:22):
An so I had a talk on presentation on Friday
night and I did a class on Saturday. My main
event presentation on Friday night was histories and mysteries the
first city. Well, you know people are like, why do
you talk about organ cities so much? We talked about
why Orgon City is where the Ghost Conference was born,

(01:11:46):
and it's where most of my knowledges and researches, even
though I know quite a bit about Seaside now. So
I wanted to be able to talk about some of
the ghost stories and not just ghost stories when people
come on my tour, and when I go on a tour,
I don't want to hear people say, well, they heard
some creepy noises and sometimes they see things. Okay, I

(01:12:09):
mean that's interesting, but right I want to know who
is it it is? If we're talking ghost stories, why
is this happening? Who is it and why are they
still there? But taking an entire city's history, narrowing it
down to one building and connecting that activity to a
specific person and their name isn't almost impossible, right, But

(01:12:35):
I've done it and other people have done it, and
it helps if you live in the same town for
twenty thirty forty years and you develop a relationship where
Popeia tell you tell you those stories and you can
make the connections. So last night or Friday night, I
was talking about here are the ones that I've solved. Yes,

(01:12:55):
we know at the ermit Tinger House that there was
actually a steamboat captain. We know his name. And not
only do we know his name. Once we found his name,
we looked up his name in the newspapers, and the
newspaper articles basically fit right in with the folklore of
the house, of him hosting these parties at the house.
I mean, that's almost impossible to do. I'm still trying

(01:13:17):
to figure out who the little girl in houses is.
So last night or I keep saying that Friday night
it was. Really here's the mysteries I've solved in Oregon
City in my mind of who's connected to what in
this right, and here's the ones I'm working on in
an update on those, And here's the ones that I
am just starting and still trying to open up the

(01:13:39):
door to the real truth of it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
And then when you get people on the tours or
here at the ghost conference or really anywhere that you
come across anybody who's had a paranormal event and they're
telling you a story, sometimes yes, a light bulb goes on,
right because it is a connection, And people say, well,
I get the question a lot, do you believe in ghosts,
and I have a whole answer for that. But other
people will constantly tell me ghost stories. If we're at

(01:14:05):
a booth, like doing a convention and it says goes,
I'll be standing and you know, those people start talking
to you. People will tell me these stories, and some
of them are just incredible, and then but you know,
before you know that, an hour's gone by. And when
I listen to people's ghost stories, I'm a skeptic from

(01:14:27):
right off the start, right I mean, I have to
take their story and listen to their perspective and understanding,
because wow, that's a cool story, but I don't give
it a lot of credit. I kind of register it
in my head as a thought, and then maybe a
year goes by. Sometimes I drop these things down, especially
if it's an Oregon city where I'm on a touring

(01:14:48):
people that experienced things, and I'll make little notes.

Speaker 10 (01:14:52):
That's the worst part. I do little notes on pieces
of paper. Sometimes I record things on my phone, but
I'm horrible at keeping that organized. But it's import to
try that because what happens is five years later, someone
will tell you the same story about the same house
and they had no connection and you're like, oh my gosh,
that can't be coincidental. I have students over the years

(01:15:14):
that I've been teaching twenty eight years that have told
me stories about the house they live in, and I
can say, you know what, five years ago another one
of my students lived in that same house and said
the same thing. Now, that's amazing. And so that goes
then from just someone's generic story that could be anything,
to there's something more to this, right, And so that

(01:15:36):
is what I'm fascinating about. I'm fascinated about. I can't
stop it, like, I am so intrigued by that. You know,
respect in life goes a long way.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
We should consider the same when we're talking about ghosts.
I know you're very passionate about that. Absolutely give you
an example. So the respect thing to me of the
time and the place and the people. I'm a passionate
preservationist of historic buildings. I you know, when the buildings

(01:16:12):
are gone, the stories are gone, and those buildings represent
people and their stories. And so when we start demolishing
old buildings, we start losing that history. That really bothers me.

Speaker 10 (01:16:28):
I come to the ghost conference typically dressed in period costume,
as I do on my tours, and people sometimes ask
as we go on ghost tours around the world, some
tour guides do that as a gimmick. They're dressed as
a vampire or very gothic or whatever. That's not what
it is for me. I dress to the period. I

(01:16:48):
dress to respect the history of that time and the
place that I'm talking about, and I'm of that time
when I'm telling the stories. I've never believed that it
is okay to do a ghost tour in a T
shirt and on a loud speaker and a microphone. And
it's similar when I do investigations. I don't go and

(01:17:12):
I'm not discounting people that do this, because the equipment
that we use in paranormal investigations is worthy to weed
out all these kind of things that may not be paranormal.
But I prefer to just use my gut. And that's
also respecting sticking technology in if we believe these are

(01:17:33):
spirits of people in their face, especially kid ghosts, what's
your name, What's what? And all this equipment of flashing lights,
especially I've found with kid ghosts that seem to connect
with me as a teacher in my whole life. Any
haunted place I can teach art. I teach art or
Oregon City High School. I've been there twenty eight years.

(01:17:57):
So if I go into a haunted place, I feel
that if there are kid ghosts in any haunted place,
they come to me. And especially if we're an investigation
where everyone has all this equipment and cameras and I'm
standing in the you know, side of Preston Castle was
an example of California. I was with a bunch of
paranormal investigators for an amazing event and they all had

(01:18:19):
all their equipment.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
I was sitting.

Speaker 10 (01:18:20):
It was in part of the hospital ward of the
old school, and I was sitting in a wheelchair kind
of off the side, you know, that was what was
there to sit on, and I felt something next to me.
I felt there was a little kid standing next to me,
and I felt it was like he felt he was
comfortable being there, you know, William Becker or absolutely so,

(01:18:41):
this little boy was standing next to me by this wheelchair.
Because I felt that everyone else was kind of doing
the questions and you know, lights and sound and everything,
I finally said, Okay, I think there's someone standing next
to me, which immediately got everyone that had their gadgets
standing near me, and I said, you guys, back off,
because not only is it making this little kid ghost,

(01:19:02):
I think uncomfortable, it's bothering me because and I said,
you know, once I tap into something, I'm not going
to claim I a psychic, but I have an ability
to kind of say that I think there's someone there,
and then once I acknowledge that I think there really
is someone there, I can get kind of a generic
feeling of what they're feeling. So all of a sudden,
I thought, okay, he's there. I got overwhelmed and I said,

(01:19:26):
I have to get out of this room. I went
immediately out the room to the second floor. I go
up the staircase and by chance, William is my friend
Williams sitting on the bench at the top of the stairs.
As soon as I reached the top of the stairs,
he said, who's the little boy with you?

Speaker 6 (01:19:41):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Wow?

Speaker 10 (01:19:42):
I was like, okay, so I guess there is right.
But can I tell you who the little boy is
or or what his story is? No, I can't do that.
Maybe I could if I practice that ability at some point,
but with a minute left, rock So well, anybody you
want to thank any announcements, you want to make anything
you want to side, don't do that to me. I
have such an amazing crew of people. Kristin Gray, who's

(01:20:04):
sitting over there, cry Kristin. Kristin, she's the co director
of this thing. She is an amazing person and does
so much work. My mom and my best friend Holly
has been doing a lot of work. They run the
ticket booth. My other good friend, Michelle runs the merch booth.

(01:20:24):
They work day and night on everything, and between us
we put this whole event on together. They don't take breaks,
they don't do anything. They work day and night. They
go to sleep around you know, ten or eleven or whatever,
They get done and then get here early in the
morning and they're still going and they're still my friends.

(01:20:45):
And it's a lot to put people through, but I
love them.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
So we'll talk to you March twenty seventh through twenty
ninth next year, Ladies and gentlemen from the Oregon Ghost Conference.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Good night, God bless
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