Ep. #837: Stephen Bassett – Task Force UAP Hearing

A congressional hearing this week on unidentified anomalous phenomena held by the Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets centered on government transparency and protections for whistleblowers. Jeremy welcomes Stephen Bassett to discuss what was heard during testimony and the path toward disclosure.

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Episode Transcript

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Speaker 6 (00:57):
For too long, the issue of unidentified and almost been Domanah,
commonly known as UAPs, has been shrouded in secrecy, stigma,
and in some case outright dismissal. Today, I want to
say clearly that this is not science fiction or creating speculation.
This is about national security, government accountability, and the American
people's right to the truth.

Speaker 7 (01:16):
Congresswoman to Anna Pauline A Luna, who is a chairwoman
of the Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets,
opening up a hearing restoring public trust through UAP transparency
and whistleblower protection, and I got to say that I
was more impressed this time around than I have been

(01:39):
with some of the other hearings now going in. I
was only familiar with one of the witnesses. I felt
that what they had to add was significant. I just
wish that Bob Sallas, for one, had been there. We

(01:59):
do have an update on that. He did meet with
Representative Eric Berlson after the hearing, but he was not
part of the actual hearing. From what I understand, Representative
Burlison has at least said he supports having witnesses to
nuclear weapons incidents involving UFOs testifying at public hearing. So

(02:24):
remains to be seen, but the witnesses were US Air
Force veteran Jeffrey Nussatelli Chief Alexandro Wiggins, who, although a
current petty officer in the Navy on active duty, was
there on his own behalf, not speaking on behalf of
the Navy, which should tell you something. UAP journalist of

(02:47):
KLS Television George Knapp, Dylan Borland, a whistleblower who has
been retaliated against a witness, as well US Air Force
veteran Joe spiel Berger, Senior Policy Council of the Project
on Government Oversight. He talked a lot about whistleblowers just
in general, not so much about UAP whistleblowers. I think

(03:13):
one of the most significant things to come was the
former director Sean Kirkpatrick, who we know was very hard
to work with, and whistle blowers did not feel safe
or comfortable coming forward because of how they had been treated.
There was an open spat between he and David Grush,
who's now a staffer on Burlison's office, trying to push

(03:34):
forward this UFO disclosure, And of course the whistleblower who
came forward in twenty twenty three, which led to almost
an immediate UAP hearing based on his claims alone. Shawn
Kirkpatrick I don't feel was the right person for the job.
Many people didn't consider him to be very professional or

(03:56):
even ethical, But in that case, he may have been
the perfect person for the government because their long standing
position has been to discount this phenomenon, and so Sean
Kirkpatrick certainly did stand in the way of this progressing,
which is why they said he was retiring, even though
he went on to another job. And then we had

(04:19):
an interim director in Tim Phillips and other current director
Sean Kazlowski. You bet Kirkpatrick's name came up during the hearing.
In fact, I would say Representative Luna threw him under
the bus.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
Recently, the former ARA director known as Sean Kokpatrick attacked
our witnesses and members on this committee.

Speaker 7 (04:39):
Attacked witnesses and members of the committee this task force.
Is that who she's referring to or is this the
House Oversight Committee.

Speaker 6 (04:49):
It she'd be noted that he's a documented liar and
brings into question what his purpose at AERO really was,
if it was not to follow up on investigations and
disclose his findings to members of Congress.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
Certainly does make you wonder why Kirkpatrick was put in
that position, what his job really was. Was it just
to be a yes man or a no man, to
dodge and deflect and cause in fighting and make the
situation appear to be a mess that nobody would want
to touch it. Congressman Andy Biggs actually goes as far

(05:21):
as to suggest that maybe Kirkpatrick should be brought back
in for one of these hearings.

Speaker 8 (05:27):
Again, I would say, madam, sure, maybe at some point
we need to really dig deep into arrow, and I
would encourage him.

Speaker 6 (05:33):
Oh, I'd be happy to send maybe a subpoena to
mister Kilpatrick.

Speaker 7 (05:40):
It's Kirkpatrick, by the way. Well, we'll see if that happens.
It would certainly be some good television squirming on the
hot seat as he's forced to answer questions under oath.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well.

Speaker 7 (05:54):
First witness, as I mentioned, was Jeffrey Noosatelli, and he
spoke about an incident that happened at Vandenberg Air Force
Base and service members reporting this Siting.

Speaker 9 (06:08):
Between two thousand and three and two thousand and five,
five UAP incidents occurred at Vanderberg Air Force Base, home
to the National Missile Defense Project, a top national security
priority at the time. We were conducting launches deemed by
the National Reconnaissance Office as the most important in twenty
five years. These were historic launches. These facilities were vital,

(06:32):
and they were repeatedly visited by UAP. Each incident was
witnessed by multiple personnel, documented, investigated, and reported up the
chain of command. We sent information up, but we got
no guidance down on how to handle these events. I
personally witnessed one of these events and investigated others as

(06:55):
they occurred. Six other service members have provided me with
the inn that I will share with you today.

Speaker 7 (07:02):
Personally, I think reports from service members are some of
the most credible. I put more weight behind those. And
so here is the former US Air Force veteran who says,
not only did he see a UFO, but you know
a half dozen or so other service members confided in him,

(07:25):
and these were frequent visitations that went on at Vandenberg
Air Force Base in California. Now what you notice about
what he had to say there, and also what Chief
Alexandro Wiggins, again speaking on his own behalf, not on
behalf of the Navy. And also what a representative Anna
Paulina Luna said regarding another incident, that one actually at

(07:52):
Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. There's a connection here
that they all involve members of the military. Here's what
Wiggins said about his sighting on the USS Jackson.

Speaker 10 (08:05):
What I observed in what our crew recorded was not
consistent with conventional aircraft or drones as they appear on
our system. A self luminous tic tax shaped object emerged
from the ocean before linking up with three other similar objects.

(08:25):
The four then disappeared simultaneously with a high synchronized near
instantaneous acceleration. I observed no sonic boom and no conventional propulsion.

Speaker 7 (08:37):
Signatures, and again the sighting off the southern California coast.
In twenty twenty three, Representative Luna talked about speaking with
whistleblowers who saw the events at Egglin Air Force Pace.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
I've spoken now to a number of whistleblowers from the military,
to include the infamous Egglin Air Force Base incident that
occurred when myself and former Representative Matt Gates, as well
as repass Undative Burchett, followed up on a lead from
multiple active duty Air Force pilot whistleblowers that allege that
the United States Air Force was covering up UAP activity
at a Gland Air Force Base. We have heard from
a number of whistleblowers, specifically military pilots, that the reason

(09:13):
for not coming forward publicly is out of fear that
speaking out would cost them their flight status and potentially
their careers. This is unacceptable. We cannot protect our airspaces
if our best trained observers are silenced. We cannot advance
science if we refuse to ask questions, and we cannot
maintain trust in government if we keep the American people
in the dark.

Speaker 7 (09:34):
This is retaliation that we'll here exposed by a former
US Air Force veteran after he saw UFOs and got
access to classified information, and then his own country turned
on him and he could be living on the streets
one day soon. I'm Jeremy Scott, somewhere between the paranormal

(09:57):
and abnormal.

Speaker 11 (09:59):
To of normal.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
As part of the Task Force on the Declassification of
Federal Secrets, a hearing restoring public Trust through UAP Transparency
and Whistleblower Protection was held this week. Stephen Bassett from
the Paradigm Research Group in the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance our
go to after all of these hearings, will be coming

(10:39):
on the program in just a couple of moments, but
there was a couple of other clips that I'd like
to share with you from the hearing and some analysis
to point out. I had mentioned this sad turn of
events involving Dylan Borland, a UAP witness and also US
Air Force veteran, who again I was not familiar with,

(11:03):
but his story is that he saw AUFO along with
others while serving at Langley Air Force Base. Mind you,
his allegations very damning but against our own government, actually
took place within the halls of Congress, and they were

(11:29):
pretty alarming.

Speaker 12 (11:30):
I'm a federal whistleblower, having testified to both the ICIG
and ERA with direct firsthand knowledge of and experience with
craft and technologies that are not ours and are reportedly
operating without congressional oversight. Because of my direct knowledge of
the reality of certain legacy UAP programs, my professional career
was deliberately obstructed, and I have endured sustained reprisals from

(11:54):
government agencies for over a decade.

Speaker 7 (11:57):
He shared later on that he's on unemployment and that
is winding down. Perhaps that might mean he could be homeless.
I don't know what his situation is. I don't want
to overstate it. I don't want to get too personal,
but he did share that, and I think it's very
very sad that because of what he witnessed and what
he has spoken about, he is persona non grata. He

(12:21):
is not welcome here. All of his training is useless.
He can't get a job, he can't make any money.

Speaker 13 (12:29):
Well.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
He explains the lengths that this went to.

Speaker 12 (12:33):
These issues include medical malpractice committed by veterans' affair staff,
denial of work I performed while listening to the United
States Air Force Forge, and manipulated employment documents, workplace harassment,
including colleagues being directed to not speak with me, manipulation
of my security clearance by certain agencies, blocking, delaying, and
ultimately removing my ability to be employed within the IC.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
If Dylan Borland is saying this publicly, you might wonder
how many others are out there, and how many of
them we might still hear from. I would encourage any
of those who are in the same situation to contact
somebody who is on this task force and let them
know that you're out there. We need to do something

(13:20):
for these people. I don't know whether it's they need
to be available, you know, there needs to be some
sort of special benefit that they're entitled to, or maybe
it's going to be up to us to pick these
people up. These people are employable, they're just a liability
because they know too much. And those stories have been

(13:41):
echoed throughout UFO history. You just wonder how many others
are out there. Eric Berlinson, who's been wrapped up in
this whole UAP amendment, which I hope Stephen Bassett will
give us an.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Update on him.

Speaker 7 (13:56):
I'm pretty sure he will brought forth a video in
October of last year, in fact, off the coast of Yemen,
in which a hellfire missile, which we're told it is
impacting with this orb like UFO, an object zipping along
being tracked on radar, and this what they say is

(14:18):
a hellfire missile is shot at this object and it
kind of breaks off a few pieces and its trajectory
has changed, meaning the UFO. But it just keeps on going,
like the missile seemingly has no impact on it. It is
able to continue. Now that certainly is not something we

(14:43):
would expect a normal aircraft to be able to do
if it was a commercial jet and it was hit
by a hellfire missile. I'm sure we could find a
video online which would show us exactly what that would
look like, or we could imagine that in our minds.
In this case, this UFO just keeps on trucking. It's

(15:07):
as if it has no impact on it whatsoever. Like
I said, it does kind of break apart a little bit,
but other than that, it just keeps ongoing. Not sure
what to make of the video. Burlison was questioned afterwards,
you know, even though it hasn't gone through, say a

(15:27):
scientific scrutinization process, he feels it was important to nonetheless
at least release it, to get it out and to
get people analyzing it.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
That certainly is one way to do so.

Speaker 7 (15:41):
Although if you do that, like you know, lou Elizondo,
and you take a picture and you pull it up
in a meeting and it turns out to be bogus,
you'll get called out quite quick, especially today when everything's
available on the internet. There was a I will call
it this a strange moment. I didn't really find any

(16:05):
value in it, So I'm just gonna call out Congressman
Elijah Crane. I don't know if he was trying to
say that because the witnesses had a belief in UFOs,
that their testimony may be tainted, but he basically asked

(16:26):
several of the witnesses exactly that for what reason.

Speaker 8 (16:31):
Mister Nusa Telli, you were in the Air Force, right?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (16:36):
Did you believe in UFOs prior to your encounter?

Speaker 1 (16:39):
I've always been interested.

Speaker 8 (16:41):
Okay, Chief Wiggins, you're in the currently in the Navy.

Speaker 10 (16:44):
Is are correct?

Speaker 8 (16:45):
Correct? Did you believe in UFOs before your encounter?

Speaker 10 (16:49):
I did. I'm from Las Vegas and I've watched towards
NAP that whole life.

Speaker 8 (16:53):
Okay, what about you, mister Borland.

Speaker 12 (16:56):
I have always been open to where facts go.

Speaker 7 (17:00):
Oh so again, I'm not sure at all what the
point in that question was. I don't think it helped
put the football, so to speak, closer to the goal
line here. That may have been the point here, But anyway,
I will say that I thought the questions were much better.

(17:20):
They were pinpointed questions to the right people who could
offer at least a coherent opinion on the topic. So overall,
I thought it went well, even though there was that
one dud, and I wanted to make sure we shared
with you and Representative Luna also talked about advanced technology,

(17:44):
interesting because she also talked about interdimensional beings recently on
the Joe Rogan podcast, saying that apparently lawmakers have been
given evidence of this and that she thinks they can
actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have.
But in the UAP hearing, she also talked about whatever

(18:07):
it is we're dealing with being some sort of advanced technology.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
In recent months, Congress has also been presented with evidence
that points to technologies that, to our knowledge, are beyond
our current capabilities.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
So I wonder if we will get to see what
that advanced technology is. I mean, we've heard it in
an open setting. Hopefully there will be follow up now
if Congress has been provided this evidence of this advanced technology,
if they have evidence of interdimensional beings, which are claims

(18:40):
that she has made, let's hope that we will actually
get to see this. I'm just kind of wondering what
they may actually have in their possession. It makes you
wonder and if they have this in their possession, what
else might we have And what are we hiding from

(19:03):
the people? Because I do believe we can handle the
truth and the time will come where it will all
be revealed. Will it be in your generation and mine?
Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. I'm Jeremy Scott
into the.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Paramormal parubnormal news, I'm George Henry. NASA's perseverance rover may

(19:45):
have brought us closer than ever to discovering life on Mars.
A new study in Nature says a sample collected from
the Jesio Crater contains what scientists call potential biosignatures, a
chemical or structure that could point to past microbi life.
The sample showed mineral patterns similar to those produced by
microbes here on Earth. NASA officials call the discovery groundbreaking,

(20:10):
noting Perseverances instruments, detected clays and organics the kind of
ingredients that could support life.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
We're kind of one step closer to answering humanities one
of their most profound questions, and that is are we
truly alone in the universe.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
While the findings don't prove life existed, researchers say the
chemistry is compelling and worth deeper study. Joel Hurwitz, planetary
scientist at Stonybrook University and lead author of the research paper,
says more evidence is needed.

Speaker 11 (20:42):
So what we need to do from here is to
continue to do additional research and laboratory settings here on
Earth and ultimately bring the sample that we collected from
this rock back home to Earth.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
The sample is one of more than two dozen that
Perseverance has collected since landing on Mars in twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 6 (21:08):
This hearing of the Task Force on Declassification of Federal
Secrets will come to an order. Do you solemnly swear
and or affirm that the testimony that you're about to
give is a truth, the whole truth, and then nothing
but the truth.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
To help you God.

Speaker 9 (21:20):
My name is jeffre NUSA Telly.

Speaker 10 (21:21):
My name is Alexandro Wiggins.

Speaker 8 (21:23):
I'm George Knapp. My name is Dylan Portland.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
Let the record show that the witnesses answered and affirmative
thank you.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
You may take your seat.

Speaker 9 (21:30):
These events profoundly change my life and the lives of
my friends.

Speaker 10 (21:33):
There is something out there, and we should know as
the people what it is.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
These things are real, they're not fictitious.

Speaker 12 (21:40):
Because of my direct knowledge of the reality of certain
legacy UAP programs, my professional career was deliberately obstructed.

Speaker 8 (21:47):
I don't really know what is true.

Speaker 10 (21:50):
I don't know on this subject, but I do know
when we're being lied to, and we are definitely being
lied to.

Speaker 8 (21:57):
There's just no doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Traveling at the speed of light into the pair of
normal air of normal, air of normal.

Speaker 7 (22:05):
Are yeah, we sent through the two and a half
hour UAP hearings so you don't have to. I'm Jeremy Scott.
Stephen Bassett's executive director of the Paradigm Research Group and
the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance joins us tonight. I mean, who
else would we have after the UAP hearing than Stephen
who's been navigating us through this entire disclosure process from

(22:27):
when it began many many decades ago. The truth in
Bargo is We've been calling it, he has been calling
it for many, many decades. And now we have historic
UAP hearings that are happening in Congress, and whistleblowers are
coming forth to tell their truth. And some of that
truth includes acts of retaliation by our own government. Surprise, Steven,

(22:52):
welcome back to the program. So good to have you.

Speaker 14 (22:54):
Here happening back.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
It's interesting times, absolutely.

Speaker 7 (22:59):
I mean the title of the hearing, Restoring Public Trust
through UAP Transparency and whistle Blower Protection, does say a lot.
It alludes to the fact that they haven't been transparent,
that they don't protect whistleblowers, that they don't have the
public's trust because they're attempting to restore it.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Yeah, everything about this conference has an agenda, and first
and foremost, I invite all of your listeners to go
and watch it at least one more time, maybe twice,
keeping in mind some of the things that we'll talk
about here, and then go to that Oversight page. It's

(23:39):
easy to find. It's part of the Oversight Committee site
where they have the written statements there for all five
of these people, and you can read those, and by
doing this you will be able to pick up some
subtle things about this.

Speaker 14 (23:56):
So perhaps the least subtle is this.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
One of the number one problems that the Task Force
and to some degree the Subcommittee which was holding the
hearings previously, has had is that while we've made a
lot of progress and there's more openness than ever, when
it comes to NDAs and classification, that's still a very

(24:23):
substantial issue. And it's complicated because you could have five
people with an NDA, and depending on the subject, one
of those might be able to just kind of talk
and maybe even get out of line.

Speaker 14 (24:37):
It's not a big deal.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
And now at the other end of the scale, you'd
better not say anything, or really awful things would happen
to you.

Speaker 14 (24:45):
So, in other words, the degree restriction on individuals.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Obviously that are security clearances, it varies dramatically, not just
the basis of the level of classification, but what is
it that they're being asked to talk about. And so
what's happened is as this thing got running and going.
People started looking for witnesses more aggressively than ever, approaching

(25:11):
more people. Some were coming forward, and clearly there was
pushback from what we'll call the military intelligence complex. The
DoD would be the focus, meaning well, this is getting
out of hand, and so phone calls were made and
so forth. Discussions were had, and the committee discovered this.

(25:32):
Suddenly people just weren't available. So they had planned another
relatively quick hearing and while carrying back in May, yeah
it was May, it didn't happen. Then they said moment June, okay,
it didn't happen, and we were hearing various things, but
really what was happening is this, And they basically have

(25:53):
said this in so many words, they cannot get the
strong witnesses they want to agree to come, but without
saying anything, they would prefer not to subpoena them, all right,
that it sounds no problem you subpoena them. Just because
you subpoenaed them doesn't mean that then now they can talk.
And so you subpoena somebody and you may just get nothing.

(26:14):
But I'm sorry, I can't discuss that in open setting
over and over again, and that nobody wins there, so
they they don't want to subpoena. They need them be
willing to come and assuming uh it's okay, all right,
and it's not happening. So they could not get the
witnesses they wanted. They kept delaying the hearing, so finally
they have a hearing. So if you go through this hearing,

(26:35):
what you will hopefully pick up is that this hearing
is primarily about whistleblowers, with some odd thing here in,
little extra there and some extra sauce. It's about they're
approaching it from several angles, but it's about whistleblowers, things
that they've had to deal with, the risk are trying
to face, and that.

Speaker 14 (26:55):
Is that is how they are. That is what they
needed to do.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
They feel to step forward to maybely improve their prospect
for getting witnesses. They're showing through this hearing they care
about the witnesses, They're concerned about the problems they may face,
they're trying to deal with it. There's legislation sort of
in the works, so it's obviously not slam dunkit, but
it's going to get better. And it was just as
their way of sort of reaching out at the same time,

(27:20):
holding a hearing with interesting material, but whistleblower is the
key reason they find decide to hold this hearing.

Speaker 14 (27:27):
So that's the first thing.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Now, there are little tidbits embedded in here, which you've
already I know discussed a little bit in the lead.
But I'm sitting there and two or three things got
me to raise my head up right, Just.

Speaker 14 (27:43):
What what were those?

Speaker 1 (27:43):
You hear that?

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Well?

Speaker 14 (27:45):
The first and foremost happens right out of the big gate.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Again, everything is deliberate here, Okay, trust me, Everything is
being done for a reason. It's not just you know,
spitballing it. So Luna, in her introduction very early refers
to Kirkpatrick as a certified liar. Okay, not just liar,

(28:08):
certified liar. All right, meeting you lied, We've proven you've lied.
And why is she doing that? Well, the best answer
I can give is this, we know that they pushed
back on these efforts. The d D has started to
dig their heels in. We know that, we know that
they gutted the first submission of the AAP Disclosure Act

(28:33):
and cut it in half as pushback. We know there's
other examples of how they're trying to push back and
slow things down. Recently, there was a grotesque article that
THEDOD just dished up for the Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 14 (28:48):
And I don't think the Wall Street Journal necessarily was,
you know.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Implicated here. I think that the DoD offered them a
chance to talk with a bunch of insiders, get a
great article, and they signed to Relatively, I don't think
highly experienced national security reporters want had just been hired.
I actually interviewed with this person for an hour, and
I had misgivings, there's no question, and then they write
this article up about hazing and a lot of the

(29:17):
stuff you're saying is to us.

Speaker 7 (29:18):
Gotta pause with Stephen Bassett, but will continue in just
a short moment.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
To the.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
Recently, the former ERA director known as Sean Kokpatrick attacked
our witnesses and members on this committee. It should be
noted that he's a documented liar and brings into question
what his purpose at Arrow really was if it was
not to follow up on investigations and disclose his findings
to members of Congress.

Speaker 7 (29:59):
Begin It's Kirkpatrick, But things happen when you're live. I
know that, perhaps more more than everybody broadcasting out live
across the USA, things happened. But it's Kirkpatrick, and that's
a representative Anna Paulina Luna at the UAP hearing. There
she is calling him a liar. Do you think anything's

(30:20):
going to happen of this? I mean, the term subpoena
has been thrown around.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
What do you think, Stephen, Well, there's going to be
some By the way, it is documented liar, not certified,
and documented is actually one notch above certified in terms of.

Speaker 14 (30:35):
How serious it is.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
But the reason I brought it up is the pushback
I guess you could say, the pushback to the relatively
substantial progress that was being made on this issue moving
towards hearings and disclosure, really starts with Kirkpatrick when Grush
came out.

Speaker 14 (30:53):
When Grush came out, this was a major issue, huge
problem for the d O D.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
And he was one of the instruments of the pushback
and he immediately attack attacked Grush in a letter. Somehow
as CRUSH's medical files turned up, and then it went
downhill from there, Kirkpatrick said he was going to quit
and then they whipped together the Aero study got into
sign it. That's a complete lie, the whole thing, and
so he was part of the beginning of the cover up,

(31:19):
which is a pushback which is now manifested into a
major article in the Wall Street Journal, which hopefully somebody
is going to repudiate at some point. If I were
the authors of that, I would be leading that charge.
And so this they're trying to now wreck. They're trying
to tell the people, we wreck, we get this, we

(31:40):
know they're doing this, and so the first thing they
do is attack Kirkpatrick, basically saying to them, look that
stuff you're hearing from them, dismiss it. It's it's basically propaganda.
It's an attempt to slow down the truth process, and
we're not going to be going along with that. I
believe he does. It's some point mentioned the Wall Street Journal.

(32:01):
I could be wrong, but I think she did, and
it wasn't in a favorable way saying thing. So this,
this was an opportunity for them to let the public know,
because this is going to be seen by a lot
of people that they're not stupid and they know the
d D is trying to push back. By time whatever,
maybe even save themselves not going to happen, and they're

(32:22):
gonna they're acknowledging that, which also is saying we're not
we're not stopping. We're going to keep going until we
get what we want, whether you like it or not.
And so that that raised my head right right away.
Another instance, and let's talk about George Knapp. George Knapp's
inclusion in this hearing, which I congratulated on a lot

(32:45):
of people are going, oh, it's another journalist, not a
first hand witness. What has he got to say? And
he was involved in this or that, and I didn't
like that and.

Speaker 14 (32:54):
What have you. Yeah, right, I get it. He's a
public figure like I am.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
So what did she do? She made an exception with
respect to all five of the witnesses and had the
representative from his district introduce him.

Speaker 14 (33:10):
I forget her name.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Very nice lady, and she introduces him much more of
a flourish on this and she mentions the Peabody Award,
edwar a Mirror Award twenty some what do you call
local Emmys, or she's going out of a way to
make sure people understand this is no trivial witnesses. This
is probably the single most experienced reporter on this subject.

(33:34):
And he did it all while working a mainstream job.
As an investigative reporter for a very vigorous station in
La at Las, Vegas, and he did all this on
top of that, and no, it's part of his work too,
but he did other things. So his experience knowledge the
people he has interviewed over the years probably is unsurpassed.
All right, And so yeah, he needed to be there, Okay, fine,

(33:57):
all right, Well what would be something that he might
do that would really be cool for me?

Speaker 14 (34:02):
Right?

Speaker 4 (34:03):
And I'm thinking, okay, because I know I know a
lot about George Nappan what he knows, and I'm thinking,
what's he going to come up with. I'm dying to
find out. I know what I'd like to hear. And
by god, I heard it.

Speaker 14 (34:13):
Rushia.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Go back. Yeah, if you go back and watch her
interviewing him, she's going down through the whole thing because
he you know, he read well, I mean, first of all,
he read his statement. It's a very long statement, and
he was about to get to Russia and she cut
him off to show a film and it mostly is
because you know, she can't have him read a fifteen
minute statement. I said, oh, was that intentional? No problem?
And so then we go to the Q and A

(34:36):
and the Q and A.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah, it wasn't his film. It was Wiggins, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
And they and I think, I think for whatever reason,
but let's not go there. He didn't get it out.
But what comes to Q and A time? And so
I'm thinking it could very well happen. But just in case,
I did send a text to Congressman Burlison. I't have
his number, and I basically said, the Congress, when please

(35:00):
consider bringing up with George Knapp the matter of the
Russian nukes. And he did, and so for the first
time ever in the Congress under oath, the matter of
a nuclear shutdown of missiles or a nuclear turn on
of missiles was raised under oath. Now again some people think,

(35:23):
so what, I'm sorry, it's massive, and so essentially that
is in play. And of course what's interesting about the
Russian thing is that it isn't a turnoff, it's a turn.
It's turned down. It's a turnoff. I'm sorry, it's a
turn And so he goes through the whole thing. It's
happened here as well. Okay, though I don't know if

(35:43):
there's witnesses to there's documentation, but there were witnesses to
the Russian event, he got some of the documents. Suddenly
in one of the one of their bases, the RMBN bases,
the missiles going to launch mode. There's nothing they can do.
It goes right up to the point of launch, which
is ballgame, and it shuts down and drops right back
down to normal status. Obviously a lot of upset Russian

(36:06):
silo guys at that point. So that has put it
in play, all right. And that and by the way,
that comes from his NAP's unbelievable work and going to
Russia several couple of times to get documents that to
some degree he had smuggled out.

Speaker 14 (36:22):
He talks about the fact that the way he.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Got him out as it was, it was during you know,
the post Soviet period and things are kind of chill,
and so I just put the pages with his top
sigarette on it and slid them in the bottom and
walked out the door. If that could have gone badly,
and he did it. And then he went back again.
And so again a lot of people have forgotten that
he did this work. This is incredibly significant Pulitzer Prize stuff.

Speaker 14 (36:47):
Where's the pulletzer for George?

Speaker 4 (36:49):
And so now he has put that in play. Now
I'm sitting back in the audience, and who's sitting this
to me, Robert Sallas, who for months and months I
have been working to get him into a hearing, along
with at least three or four other nuclear shutdown or
a tampon. All all officers except for one. I think

(37:10):
they're all officers. And I have provided all the affid
David's and documents and video to every single member of
the House Subcommittee, the task Force, and just for the
hell of it, the Senate Intel Committee. And I haven't
bugged him too much, but they've got multiple hard copies,
they got electronic copies. So my my job this time

(37:30):
was to see if I could get Bob sallis a
meeting with Congressman Bullerson, who is a key member of
that panel. I think he's number two on that secret panel,
to be honest with you, and so.

Speaker 14 (37:43):
Burlison got into that, he got into that, he came up.
That's good.

Speaker 12 (37:48):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
And then I should mention that after the after the hearing,
we all went over to Congress from Burlson's office.

Speaker 14 (38:00):
There was about twelve of us in the room, and.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Eric and Bob Salas sat down for a forty minute
interview filmed in six K three camera high quality lighting,
which apparently Congressman Burglson keeps in his office for all
such occasions. And Danny, she was there. Lord, there were
so many.

Speaker 14 (38:23):
And it's kind of an audience and.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Concluding a Captain Solace's wife, and that interview is going
to be heavily put out by a new paradim institute.

Speaker 14 (38:35):
It's going to be heavily put out.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
By Tyler Roberts right and the padcasting work that he
is doing, and some of them's going to get put
out on me. And so now what does that mean?
And this is all tied to the internet. Was you
don't have the hearing, you don't have this happening. This
means that Bob the story of the nuke shutdown witnesses
is now going to get out in the world, not

(38:57):
as just another book or some but he going on
a podcast or something. It's going to go out as
part of an interview with one of the top people
of the Secrets Task Force who was very publicly backing
this this process, backing the truth of this matter. And
that's going to have significant impact and it may be
the key to getting Bob Sallas very possible, very possibly,

(39:22):
David Captain Shindelli, and of course Professor.

Speaker 14 (39:27):
Jacobs, Robert Jacobs. And we've got two other new.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Witnesses Shindelli Shandalay, getting them in for the next hearing.
We want the new people to be the next hearing.
And finally below this story out to the world, which
the Department of Defense has been absolutely terrified to happen.

Speaker 7 (39:47):
Right, So I'm good glad to hear that you were
part of the effort to get the meeting between Burlison
and Robert Sallis.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
I did see that he posted a picture.

Speaker 7 (39:55):
Seems like progress was made and perhaps nuclear weapons UAP
witnesses in coming u A P hearings.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
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Speaker 7 (41:13):
Normal, the first UAP hearing of twenty twenty five, held
as part of the Federal Declassification of Secrets task Force.

(41:37):
Representative Anna Paulina Luna is the chairwoman of the task force,
brings together whistleblowers to Congress to talk about their UFO truths.
You heard many of them say, you know, they believe
this to be the case, and they're here because the
American people can handle the truth, and it's going to

(41:58):
take proceedings just like this. We have to advance the argument,
keep moving the ball further down the court, and one
of these hearings perhaps will include witnesses of incidents involving
nuclear weapons and UFO, such as a Commander Bob Sallis,

(42:19):
who has had a meeting with Representative Eric Berlinson following
the UAP hearing, and Stephen Bassett was present for that.
I find it very significant that this is happening, but
again we have to get it to the next step.
We have to get him to an actual hearing. The
significance of this is because it would be under oath well.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Yeah, to say the least, and film to the world,
as this hearing was quality film too is well done,
So that's going to be out there and watched by millions.
And what I was pointing out at the break was
the new powerim Institute is going.

Speaker 14 (42:55):
To be doing this. I'm sure I'm going to be
doing it. So if you're looking for a.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
To bite down on, start contacting your members of Congress,
doesn't matter who they are, and simply say look the
next hit in the next hearing, we want to see
those tact based officers tell us the story of how
our nukes are shut down with a huge glowing UH
craft of some kind directly over the base, scaring the

(43:24):
hell out of the uh the security men up there,
and after one of these events when they came out
to reset the missiles and so forth, some of these
men were literally off in a corner, balled up. I
mean they were literally terrified. You know, these are not
guys that easily terrify, and so we want those witnesses.

(43:46):
That's what we want the nuke tampering hearing next. So
I'm going to be pushing that, Danny Sheene, a new
paradimistitute dot org is going to be doing that.

Speaker 14 (43:56):
Don't be surprised. And there's a lot more coming now.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Obviously, the video of that meeting is going to be
out there and spread far and wide cleaning X.

Speaker 14 (44:06):
That's good, But I should also mention that we've.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Gotten I spoke briefly to Congress and Burchette Burchette rather
and he's open to having a meeting. We're trying to
arrange that, hopefully right the next day or two, but
if not later. And I have also reached out to
the office of Vanna Polina Luna, so my goal. And
by the way, Tyler Roberts was also key in setting

(44:31):
up that meeting and he actually started the ball rolling.
I got Bob Sallas out from California so he could
get it whatever. But Tyler has been a major player
in this all along. He is dealing with a pretty
nasty virus. Now let's wish him well. Hopefully'd be back
in the saddle. So uh, Burchette, I think is the
possibility that we might get Bob to meet him before

(44:52):
he leaves on Friday. If not, I think eventually and
then and a plane Luna and so all four what
I call them, the four Horsemen and Women of the
Truth Acalypse Representative Mace, Luna, Birchitt, and Berberson were all
present for this hearing. All right, virtually the entire time,

(45:16):
and at least another eight or nine members were there,
so it was a very established hearing. And I should
also mention that with each of these hearings one, two, three, right,
the room got bigger, higher, and more fancy, and this
one was huge. If you watch a video, you may

(45:36):
not appreciate how big this room is. It's capable. I
think of something like seventy members sitting up there to
deal with the witnesses. It's held in the cavernous Capital
Visitor Center on the Senate side, and most people don't
even know this is there. But there's also the middle

(45:57):
part for the tourist. But then there is where they
do the rooms. This is a.

Speaker 14 (45:59):
Massive meeting room.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
So it's just it's just another indication that this issue
is elevating and getting more and more important. So my
job is to get Bob in front of the distinguished
Congresswoman Luna, and of course UH in front of uh.
Tim Burchett, by the way, he's a very likable guy,

(46:22):
as as as all of them, but certainly Burlist is
very likely. But Tim is is one of the coolest,
funniest guys in this In this UH rain in that
right now in this issue.

Speaker 10 (46:32):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (46:32):
And his trademark statement is bad gum.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
I think you when I when I hear him speak,
I'm thinking, is this going to be a three or
five bag gum?

Speaker 14 (46:40):
Uh? You know presentation.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
I think he is a d g U M.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yes, I believe that if that gum dog gum. It
depends on what part of Tennessee you're from. But these
are the full majia players. Yeah, and they were all there,
and they are the leaders of this issue now, Schumer
in rounds. They are absolutely important, but they're not. It's
something they've done, but they have a lot of things

(47:08):
to deal with in the Senate, as you probably know,
big stuff going on, and they've kind of relegated the
you know, the roadwork here to the house and the
houses doing a great job. Since I brought up Schumer,
let me update you on the UAP Disclosure Act. It's
having an interesting run this time.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
They ran it in the front door and kind of
got stopped, so they ran it in the back door
and it kind of got stopped.

Speaker 14 (47:32):
Again, so they put it in a new box.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Submitted it.

Speaker 14 (47:37):
So where they are.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
Now is they tried, They they gotta and they got
the bill as an amendment I think, submitted into the Senate,
but they also submitted in the House. Their hope was
that they both would be approved and they could vote
uh and or Congressman Burlson again he he was willing to.

Speaker 14 (48:00):
Sponsor the bill.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
I don't think there was another co sponsor, but whatever,
he sponsored the build maning I'm introducing into the House. Well,
the bill process is brutal. It got clobbered in markup.
But we're not talking of reconciliation. We're talking markup. It's
all these clerks in there that are having to go
through one thousand amendments to the NDAA.

Speaker 14 (48:21):
Would you like a job?

Speaker 4 (48:24):
And they just went through it and marked this and
marked that and said that is won't work. And so
it wasn't going to get a vote. So what happens next,
because apparently they're going to go to level three? Is
there then going to submit the bill and get it
into the NDA in the Senate and which they did
once before, right, And if they do that, then it's

(48:47):
in the bill. It doesn't go through the markup process
that the amendments go through, and it goes over towards
the House. But if the House is not particularly happy
with any part of that NDAA. All those parts they're
not happy about, we'll go into reconciliation, which is exactly
where we were three years ago, in twenty twenty three,
almost three years ago, which means that we have we

(49:10):
could see another process in which lobbyists go to the
members of the Committee, the Oversight Committee, and possibly even
the Task Force and start putting heavy pressure. No, they
go to certain members of the House to put pressure
on the Reconciliation Committee to gut the thing again, because

(49:31):
the bill they're submitting is the same one they submitted
twenty three and twenty four, which kind of is a
message that they're sending. All right, it's not that they're
stupid and they're well, they're just going to do it again.
Maybe they do do it again, but by doing it
this way, they're forcing them to pushback three times in
a row.

Speaker 7 (49:51):
Well, and perhaps the tide is turning. Certainly got the
message towards the end of the UAP hearing, where I
believe it was a Representative Burlison who was encouraging his
fellow congressmen and women, Look, we have to pass this.
So if it comes up for a vote. It may
be different this time. I wonder if Stephen Bassett has
any thoughts on that will continue with him in just

(50:12):
a moment.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Into the Parado.

Speaker 7 (50:35):
Stephen Bassett of the Paradigm Research Group in the Hollywood
Disclosure Alliance tonight too is a present for the UAP
hearing on Capitol Hill this week is with us recapping
it and telling us where disclosure stands. Looking at the
UAP Disclosure Act part of the NDA, that's the National
Defense Authorization Act.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Stephen, please continue.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
So here is why we might hold out some optimism
on this because one, if it actually does get to
go to reconciliation and it's pretty much the same bill
that was submitted, they're going to have to go go
do the whole the same thing again, pull out all
of the powers of pain of power, take out the

(51:18):
review committee, a review panel, and of course eminent domain.
And we've already been down that road. It's going to
be so obvious, it's going to be really really awkward,
and it's going to be more embarrassing for the politicians.
They're going to have to lobby on this, and so
there's that. Secondly, uh, it's clear that these these very

(51:40):
important people in the House really wanted to pass. Now,
I mean Burblison has not put that out there, so
he may be joined in the next weeks or so
by other people saying yeah, yeah, yeah, we want this
thing to pass.

Speaker 14 (51:53):
And that's pretty significant.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
And then of course this this hearing is going to
be seen by a lot of people. They're going to
get a good picture of where things are. And you
pile that all together and it's very possible that it passes,
which would be very important. Why it's not just the
wind to be to win something. This is, as I've

(52:18):
said many times, in order to get over this and
move on the civilization, we've got to have confirmation from
the heads of state. Until we have confirmations from the
heads of state, which in every case they are the
commander in chief of the military, they have the clearance
for anything, right and so when they confirm it, that's confirmed,

(52:40):
and thus all immediately thereafter, a whole range of possibilities
and actions and so forth, including aggressive bringing forward of
information into the public domain, can proceed. Until we get that,
we're still basically stemy and having to you Disclosure Act

(53:00):
as it was conceived, maybe without the Eminent Domain, which
is not necessary. It's not the most important thing of
the bill, right, and it was put in there probably
for strategic purposes. That having the UAP Disclosure Act as
we have it was envisioned and initially written a past
and law is incredibly helpful for a president, any president,

(53:25):
to make the decision Okay, let's end this, all right,
that's that's good. So that's one of the reasons that
is not just a we got a new bill, but
it's a powerful well it's probably the last barrier frankly
to the president being able to step forward.

Speaker 14 (53:42):
Frankly, but the president could do that. You could have
you know that our president could.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Come out next week and he certainly has no barrier
to doing so. There's plenty that's been done to prepare
the public for that. He could come out next week,
say we're not alone, and what would follow probably is
the UAP Disclosure Act would be passed pretty damn quick.
So By and Lars, the outcome is about the same,
but thin let's get if we can get that act passed,

(54:07):
let's do it. So that is the kind of picture
of where that is at. Getting back to the the hearing,
one of the key witnesses was Borland. This was a toughie,
Dylan Borlan Is, was you at the US Air Force.

Speaker 14 (54:30):
High level tech position? Okay?

Speaker 4 (54:33):
And and I didn't know about him, And I do
not know exactly what he was trying to bring out,
at least the details of it. But in his case,
they barbecued him.

Speaker 14 (54:50):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
I mean Drush got attacked a little bit, and he
has the threats.

Speaker 14 (54:56):
He had a rough time, but Borland was crushed.

Speaker 13 (54:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (54:59):
These issues in medical malpractice committed by veterans' affair staff,
denial of work I performed while listening to the United
States Air Force forge and manipulated employment documents, workplace harassment
including colleagues being directed to not speak with me, manipulation
of my security clearance by certain agencies, blocking, delaying, and
ultimately removing my ability to be employed within the IC.

Speaker 7 (55:21):
He's only got a couple of weeks of unemployment benefits left.
This is a guy who says he had access to
classified information on legacy UFO crash retrieval programs, saw UFO
at Langley Air Force Base and was retaliated against and
now maybe on the streets in just weeks.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
So I don't know the timing of this, but I
know the Grush comes forward twenty twenty three, two and
half years ago, and basically he had information on legacy programs,
but he couldn't go into the specifics, but he made
it clear that the information confirmed non human present non
human tech.

Speaker 14 (55:57):
So what's the difference in Grush and Moorland.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Well, for one thing, Borland brought this out apparently, and
the general process and so forth, not in a hearing.
He didn't have an interview to be published worldwide with
Ross's cole Fart. There wasn't an article by esteemed reporters
Leslie Kane and RALP.

Speaker 14 (56:18):
Blumenthal and the debris. He didn't have that, and so
he was vulnerable.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
And so they decided to make an exception, and not
an exception, but an example.

Speaker 14 (56:27):
And they do this right so they don't.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Have to crush ten, you know, patriot individuals doing eye
level work in the government. They'll just crush one so
the other nine get the message.

Speaker 14 (56:41):
So a lot of people, there were people crying in
the audience. I would I would.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Like to think that somebody out there, somebody this gout
you know, knows what they're doing, has got some means,
would put together a quality GoFundMe, with the proper information
in light and what have you in contact right.

Speaker 14 (57:00):
And a race maybe forty fifty thousand fellas fellow.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
It would be a wonderful thing, not only for him,
but it would be a tremendous message to the general
public and to the government and to the politicians how
we care and the extent that they know we really care.
Let me tell you that motivates some big time and
will also put a little, you know, a statement into
the DoD Look, you want to play this game, fine,

(57:27):
but we're not down with it. We know you're doing it,
and so we're going to help this guy. I don't
I'm not in a position to set that up. I
wouldn't be able to do it properly. I know about GoFundMe,
but just some people out there that you know how
to do it perfectly.

Speaker 14 (57:40):
Needs to also be promoted nationally.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
But it would be a tremendous message if we were
to give this man all the fun. And I think
he has a family enough financial substance that he can,
you know, keep it together until he ended the truth
embargo it which time I suggest he gets hired back
in a top position, all right, all right, so we'll

(58:02):
see and the jeudn barb will get in at any time.
In the meantime, you got to eat and so forth.
So that was an important and distinctive part of this hearing.
Wiggins was impressive. Uh, Navy nuts and bolts, no nonsense.
You're listening to this fellow's talking about uh and the

(58:26):
things that he has seen and heard. And so I
was sup pressed, and I would invite people to go
and read read the statement and also listen to his testimony.
But I was definitely impressed with him. Let me see,
I want to pull this back up here. Where is it? No, Nope, nope,
here it is there. It is no, there it is Yes,
that is Wiggins.

Speaker 12 (58:46):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
And let's see what was the well the other testimonies
are also They're all important, all right, but it was borlin.
I think Wiggins and Knapp that I think generated quite
a bit of material that's going to have impact, right,

(59:08):
But the rest of the testimonies were well. And then
in terms of the questioning, it was solid thorough. Anapline
Aluna is really grown into this job and she really
knows how to do it. She knows how to address
the witnesses and how to present it well.

Speaker 7 (59:31):
The questions are certainly more on point than they were
in more and directed to the right individuals. I would
say she has been studying this subject, that is for certain.
I believe she's probably the right person to be heading this.
More to come with Stephen Bassett tonight the Paradigm Research
Group and the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance talking about the UAP hearing.

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Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
For too long, the issue of unidentified anomalous phenomena, commonly
known as UAPs, has been shrouded in secrecy, stigma, and
in some case outright dismissal. Today, I want to stay
clearly that this is not science fiction or creating speculation.
This is about national security, government accountability, and the American
people's right to the truth.

Speaker 8 (01:01:59):
The government has something and they need to turn it
over to Do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
You think that any of this is a psyop by
the US government? Entirely possible.

Speaker 8 (01:02:08):
I mean, our government and other governments have.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
Admitted that they've tried to use UFOs to cover secret projects.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
But I think they.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Also do some reverse engineering of those claims.

Speaker 9 (01:02:18):
I'm here today because the American people have both the
right and the responsibility to know the truth about unidentified
aero phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
The truth is far more abnormal than we want to believe.
You were hitted somewhere between abnormal and para normal into
the para normal.

Speaker 7 (01:02:39):
Talking about the UAP hearing tonight with Stephen Bassett, Steve
and I had said before the break, it does seem
like Anna Paulina Luna is well versed on this subject.
It's certainly asking the right questions and directing others to
ask pointed questions as well.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Yeah, her opening statement was eloquence, it was powerful. I
mean some effort went into that. Uh, it was perfect
in a lot of ways, and so that that that matters.

Speaker 14 (01:03:08):
It's that opening statement is her message to the rest
of the House.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
Uh, certainly even the Senate and also the d O
D where they are, what they expect, where they're going, and.

Speaker 14 (01:03:22):
It's all it's exactly what we want.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
So and she's doing this in spite of the fact
that she's the chair of the Secrets Task Force, which
has a few other things on its plate, not including
which he also includes something the matter with the gentleman
at Stein I forget his name, And she's having to
deal with all our trool. Right, But of all the things, well,
of all the things that they're dealing with, the five things,

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uh jfk r f k m l k epstein U
A P is by far the most important, by far
the most positive. The other stuff, and it's kind of
a drag, it's pretty negative, uh, what have you. But
this is not that way. It's it's transcendent, it's positive,
it's about the future. And so I think she is

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correctly definitely trying to stay on top of this and
make sure it doesn't get lost with his other things.

Speaker 14 (01:04:15):
And it's not going to And I can say the
same thing for burls Do.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
He made some excellent statements and commentary and in the
during the hearing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Absolutely, Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:04:27):
Do you think that we will get another hearing before
the end of the year. I mean this is maybe
a little bit of speculation, but probably maybe a little
bit of inside baseball as well. Or do you think
they'll take their time and we you know, might not
be till next year.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
And the year next year. No, no, no, uh, I
think that they could hold a hearing in a month.

Speaker 14 (01:04:50):
All right, there's a time frame on this.

Speaker 10 (01:04:52):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
The thing is is there is there stuff to do.
So the biggest problem they had was getting witnesses that
would come forward that had something important. So what they're learning, okay,
you know, I've been up on the hill about this
for a good while, but now we're really making progress.
What they're hearing is there are Air Force officers retired

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who weren't just high quality. They were so high quality
that they were given the responsibility of each having a
key down sixty feet in a silo and if the
code came through, they were going to turn those keys
and launch ten nuclear warheads, most of which probably had
multiple warheads, and blow up a lot of very big

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cities as part of what would be the war to
end all wars.

Speaker 14 (01:05:41):
That's how responsible they were.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
And now we were made it clear that we have
a number of such men ready and wanting to testify
for thirty years. There may be some NDA's not an issue. Obviously,
it wouldn't be an issue that there have been out
the open. There's been books, there's been documentaries, there's tons
of documents that can back this up and so enough

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to do it. Put four or five witnesses on just
that subject. We got it. They don't have to, you know,
if they want to go into a skiff first, no problem.
They're you know, they're also having trouble getting people going
to a skiff, not these gentlemen. And so they have
the ability to put together the hearing to end all
hearings on this next week technically, but no, let's go

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out a month. Absolutely, they're ready to come at any time.
And so given that, all it takes is the desire,
let's do this, and it's done now. Could they try
to have another hearing between now and then? Yeah, But
if they're going to have to pull teeth and dance

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and dance around with individuals that don't know, I'm not sure.
I'm worried. Why why dance do that dance for two
three months when you're going to have a major hearing
maybe next month. And and the thing about this is
that the new witness hearing is going to be so powerful,
so extraordinary, it's going to rock people's world and it

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may just break through in terms of other people coming forward.
And one of the reasons why the d o DS,
you know, put that article in the you know what,
they gave an article to the Washington I mean the
Wall Street Journal, which is completely bogus, which tries to
explain away all the shutdowns never tried before, but here
they come out. It was an MP M E MP

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thing that nobody believed, including the experts, is that this
this is this is huge for them because this hearing
and in the minds of some well utterly convince them
they are are Department of Defense is a masculated It
can't protect us. Obviously not we already know that from ets,
but it really drives the point home and they just

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can't be people feeling that and they think it'll destabilize
the world and all that nonsense. We already know we
cannot defend against these ets. But then they don't blow
our missiles up, they just turn them off. But they're
not thrilled about it, okay, And so this hearing is
what changes all that. And so once they've gotten over

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this and this extraordinary information about what ets do, which
is turn our missiles off, which could easily be coupled
with a witness or to who has done research on
what contactees are receiving as messages and others warning us
of a future of destruction almost certainly brought on by

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nuclear events, and so forth, the story being told there
is not evil, awful ets that want to eat us,
but rather ets that think destroying our civilization and of
sheer stupidity is a waste of good civilization. And so
it might open the door, so suddenly they can get
all the witnesses they want. And so I'm going to
make and I'm making this case right now in case
you were wondering, I'm going to do all like him

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to make the case to the United States Congress and
that committee that this needs to be the next hearing.
And these men, these men who are in their eighties,
we've already lost a number of them, okay, but to
drive the point home further. And one of the reasons
the DD is worried is because even in the case
of Robert Jacobs, he didn't directly see it, but he

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filmed it with a high tech camera. Then he saw
the film of it back at the office, which was
then taken away by the men in black. The nuke
guys were down below. Now they clearly had confirmation was happening,
and obviously when they.

Speaker 14 (01:09:44):
Came up they had all the evidence they could need
that something profound happened. But it's the security men up
top that secured this facility.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
They're the ones that saw the craft and in one case,
a craft came down crushed the fence.

Speaker 7 (01:09:58):
Well, Stephen, hope you're right. We've been saying this for
a while. Let's hope it happens next time. And again,
thank you for your efforts to try to get this
to happen with Bomba, Sallace and the other witnesses.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
You are welcome, sir.

Speaker 7 (01:10:10):
All right, more to come. We'll talk with Steven again
before too long.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
I'm into the paradormal.

Speaker 13 (01:10:16):
Pair of.

Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. I am Jeremy
Scott our post UAP hearing wrap up. Stephen had to
jet over onto another podcast. He is a busy guy,
so I wanted to make sure we got out so
he could get to where he needed to be, because
that's just the kind of person I am. I want
him on as many shows as possible because he is

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so knowledgeable about the subject of disclosure, and this is
a very significant time that we're living in. I mean
we're talking about now three or four. I've lost count
UAP hearings in just the past couple of years, and
prior to twenty twenty three there had not been any,

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or actually twenty twenty two, excuse me, there had not
been any within my lifetime. And I will say I'm
excited to see what the future holds. It's nice to
know that there's these meetings happening behind closed doors, that
this is not a partisan issue. It's a bipartisan issue.
People on both sides want UFO disclosure and they are

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fighting for it and even having behind closed door meetings
which will hopefully lead to events actually happening out in
public in front of God and everybody to see. Because
these are significant times we're living in and the revelations
that are to come. I am excited to know that

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that is in the works. Sometimes we get a little impatient.
I will say, I've gone through that saying, you know,
give it to me, and give it to me now.
But it is a process, and there's a lot going
on behind the scenes, and still whistleblowers do not feel
safe about coming forward, And that's the overall gist of it.

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We still have a lot of work to do to
shatter the ceiling and encourage more whistleblowers to come forward.
So Representative Anna Paulina Luna actually has a lot more
of an interest in this topic than you may or

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may not know. This is not just something that she's
heard about from constituents and is interested in and is
actually your job as a politician, but actually has some
interest in this dating back to a sighting while she
served in the National Guard here in my state, which

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I didn't know until very very recently, but yeah, she
served in the Oregon Air National Guard and told Joe
Rogan a great place for whistleblowers to feel comfortable coming forward,
whatever the platform, I support it because this information gets
out there. But an incursion that happened with what she

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believes was a UFO actually while at the Portland Air
National Guard Base, which is also in my city, an
unauthorized object entered the airspace and when she tried to
ask the pilots what they saw it was, then they
clambered up. So while she didn't personally witnessed it, she

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did have a UFO story from her time in the
National Guard and perhaps maybe has been interested in this
subject ever since. And then she talks about interdimensional beings
as well in that conversation, and it's not something that

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she says she came up with on her own. It's
based on stuff that she says we've seen, assuming she
means Congress or fellow lawmakers, and that's based on information
that they've been told that interdimensional beings can operate through
the time spaces that we currently have. And what I

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can tell you without getting into classified conversation, she goes
on to say, is that there have been incidences that
I believe were very credible. People have reported that there
have been movement outside of time and space. While she's
never seen a portal or a spaceship herself, she certainly

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does have an interest in searching for more evidence of
life somewhere else out there. And again, it could go
back to what she saw or what she heard about
during her time in the National Guard, but it could
go back further than that. The current administration, the Trump administration,

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has a couple of members who are also interested in
the UFO subject. Tulci Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence,
has said that she might have a lot of classified
information on aliens, but is forced to remain tight lipped

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due to her job, but is vowed to share the
truth somehow, some way. When asked on a podcast recently
whether she believes in aliens and UFO, she answered in
the affirmative.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Well, that's not what she said.

Speaker 7 (01:15:57):
She said, yes, but he is going to not say
much more than that, saying when the time comes, America
will know the truth. So it sounds like she knows
more than what she is letting onto or she's certainly
telling us she knows more than what she is going

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to tell us, that is for sure, which is a
classic move by politicians when they don't want to get
into trouble, when they don't want to tread into muck.
But interesting that she should say that around the time
that Jadie Vance, the Vice President, was talking on a

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podcast as well about UFOs. In fact, he said he
was obsessed with the whole UFO thing and particularly some
videos that had been released. So a couple members of
the Trump cabinet addressing UFOs res and a Pauline a

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Luna as well, waiting into the territory of inner dimensional
beings and out talking about advanced technology. I mean with
her at the helm. I don't know that there's necessarily
been a time limit put on this. There could be
more hearings. I mean, I think there was initially a
time limit, but I think that they have even exceeded

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that now, so maybe there is no time limit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 (01:17:27):
But if this task force is able to continue their work,
and even if the task force dissolves, you know, the
first couple of hearings that happened without a task force
being formed, So there will be more hearings, whether part
of this task force or not, and perhaps who will
actually get into the reverse engineering, into the technology aspect

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of this. But I think we have to have the
conversation about the nuclear weapons first. I really honestly feel
strong about that, and I have for quite some time,
and I've stated that on the program. I'm not just
saying it now because you know it's in the news
with Bob Sallis having this meeting with Representative Eric Berlison

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and at least coming to some sort of agreement that
these witnesses may be part of future UAP hearings. So
as they say, time will tell, hopefully there will be
another hearing. Stephen Bassett optimistic that there could be one tomorrow.
Of course, there's not going to be one. I mean

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the earliest there could be is probably next week. Feasibly.
We're very optimistic in that, but the reality that is
it's probably going to be a month or two or more,
hopefully by the end of the year, but you never know.
If not, we will look forward to the next one.
The important part is that they are well organized. If

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they're not well organized and they don't come off well
and we have the wrong people in the wrong chairs,
it is not going to help the situation if we continue.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
And I think this was a.

Speaker 7 (01:19:07):
Positive step in that direction, and I'm hoping it's not
just because it's part of the task Force, because the
task Force is going to eventually disband, and if it
just goes back to the committee, I still hope Representative
Luna will be there. If she's involved in some way,
I'm confident that this issue will progress. If it's a

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you know, different individuals and different committees and different chambers
heading these meetings, it seems like there's going to be
a lot of back treading and stepping over each other
and again going back to elementary school and not moving forward,
but moving backward. I hope that is not the case,
but I was at least inspired somewhat with what took

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place with these most recent proceedings in Washington, DC. Friends,
keep your eyes to the sky. That's the only way
you're gonna see one of these objects. If you do,
make sure you capture it however you can, and make
a report. People are seeing these things all over the place,
not just members of the military, not just these whistleblowers,

(01:20:19):
but ordinary people just like yourself. From the cold, dark
depths of a secret dungeon somewhere deep in the remote
Pacific Northwest, I'm Jeremy Scott. If you haven't reached out
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Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Good night, Tim, God does