Ep. #848: Lisa Nelson – Interdimensional Intervention

Members of Congress are said to have been shown evidence suggesting the existence of interdimensional beings, a term often used by experiencers to describe encounters with non-human intelligences. Jeremy welcomes Lisa Nelson to discuss how she and her partner became vehicles for contact with the extraordinary and the purpose of these visitors.

Episode Transcript

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From the cold our depths of a secret dungeon somewhere
deep in the remote Pacific Northwest. Friends, welcome again to
the program that is somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
I am Jeremy Scott, and it's a pleasures always for
you to be with us as we talk about those
subjects that make you wonder, and we do it on
a nightly basis, and we appreciate you being with us

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far and wide. Update on three I Atlas. October twenty
ninth is the date we should have circled on our calendars,
according to Harvard professor Avi Loeb, who has been tracking
this object and says there's a possibility it's an alien probe,
although a comet seems to be the more likely explanation.

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If it is a comment, it should disintegrate into fragments
as it swings close to the Sun in just under
two weeks now, so we'll be keeping our eye on
three I Atlas, which has been attracting our attention for
what three and a half months now, so we'll see

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what happens. As they say, this journey is to be
continued for those who are non familiar. Three I at
List is the interstellar object, only the third ever to
be discovered, and so it's fascinating to us who get
excited about this kind of stuff, because it's only the

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third and the last two we're much smaller than this
current one, which is currently, as we mentioned, speeding through
our solar system and in a couple of months will
become even more visible to us than it is now.

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If it is some sort of alienship like AVI Lobe
says is possible, and anything is possible, perhaps there could
be interdimensional beings on board. We know them as a
alien's and extraterrestrials, of course, but a common term these
days is interdimensional. There's also non human intelligence, but inter

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dimensional indicates that they have the ability to change dimensions.
For the most part, this is something that has been
discussed for many years now in private, but now these
conversations are happening in public. This is happening on Capitol

(03:34):
Hill and also on podcasts. One of them in particular
who has talked about interdimensional beings of late is Representative
Anna Paulina Luna. We've talked about her hand in hand
with the disclosure efforts that have been going on in
the US Congress, not only with UFOs but with other subjects,

(03:59):
because she's leading task force, the Federal Declassification of Secrets
task Force, and she went on the Joe Rogan podcast
credit where credit is due that lawmakers have seen evidence
of interdimensional beings. Now, she's made several statements of late,

(04:20):
including that there was a UFO experience happened that happened
while she was serving in the Oregon National Guard that
she got privy to. She's also talked about interdimensional beings
and set in the last congressional hearing that they have

(04:40):
also seen advanced technology. So what does she mean when
she says evidence we have a scene evidence of inner
dimensional beings.

Speaker 7 (04:54):
I was actually able to ask some of the witnesses,
you know, what are these things, and they keep saying
inter dimensional. And then when you talk about the interdimensional
aspect of you know, are these things pre existing maybe
outside of what we currently know as our own dimension.
That stuff can kind of all sound crazy. But at
the end of the day, you know, my job as
an investigator is to receive all the information, decipher it,

(05:17):
and then ultimately from a congressional aspect, if you do
have contractors that are withholding information or operating outside of
the purview of the federal government, I mean, there's budgetary issues,
but there's definitely something that I can tell you with
confidence that exists that we don't know how to explain currently.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Interesting that interdimensional beings are coming out of a member
of Congress's mouth as if it's said on the program.
It does certainly appear that she is aware at least
somewhat of what is going on here and isn't just
thinking that these are just lights in the sky that

(05:54):
people are dealing with.

Speaker 7 (05:55):
She goes on, they call them interdimensional beings. I think
that they can actually operate through the time spaces that
we currently have, and that's not something that I came
up with on my own that's based on stuff that
we've seen, that's based on information that we've been told.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
I find it interesting that she's saying, this is not
something I'm making up. This is something that we've seen.
This is something that we have been told. And so
as somebody who is in charge of the declassification of
the federal government's secrets, not only UFOs, but a variety

(06:36):
of other subjects, we need transparency on what our government
knows about this advanced technology and about these inner dimensional beings.
Where are these beings coming from? How long have they
been coming here? What is their purpose here? There are

(06:58):
individuals such as our guests to who will make the
case that they are actually intervening in our affairs. I
will preface the conversation tonight. It is one of the
most in depth stories I think that I have heard,

(07:20):
so multifaceted. We could probably spend many more hours and
we'll have a chance to tonight and still only scratch
the surface. Which makes it very, very fascinating to even
begin to have this conversation with somebody who has had
these experiences firsthand and can tell us exactly what it

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is that they want, not only who they are, how
long they've been here, but what their purpose is here.
These dimensional beings that are seemingly interacting with us and
have been interacting with us for some amount of time.

(08:07):
We don't know if that is less than one hundred
years more than one hundred years, but it does seem
that people have been talking about this for at least
about eighty years or so now, but we can maybe

(08:28):
make the assumption that it's been happening even longer than that.
For tonight's excursion, we will go back at least fifty
years when it all began. Inner dimensionals utilizing a cooperative, willing,
and crazy intelligent teenage boy as their vehicle in the

(08:49):
three dimensional realm, utilizing that boy's girlfriend as a cover
in the process, telling her many things about the universe,
other planetary civilizations, and their interest in developing our technology
for our guests. This contact started in their teenage years
and continues into adulthood. Very very fascinating story to be

(09:14):
told tonight on the program. Somewhere between the Paranormal and
the Abnormal, I'm Jeremy Scott's.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Into the paranormal paranorm.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Of Jeremy. It's got somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
So looking forward to our program tonight with Lisa Nelson.
Lisa has written a book which is run of recent
award Earth Secret Visitors. Are they here to help us?
There's a question mark at the end of that. Maybe
you'll come to some sort of conclusion one way or another.

(10:33):
By the end of our conversation. Lisa had what I
guess we might call an ordinary childhood, but then in
the mid seventies is an early teenager. Well, she caught
the attention of the new kid in town. And as
they say, the rest is history. But that's where the
story gets weird. I suppose one that includes fifteen years

(10:55):
of continuous contact. Is we've come to know it or
not know it. We'll see how her story compares to
the rest. She's completed twenty years in the entertainment industry
and the management of major celebrities, worked as a global
investment banker, and trained to become an energy healer, and
she's also worked with many experiencers. Lisa, Welcome to the program.

(11:20):
It's so great to have you here.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Thank you, Jeremy. It's so nice to spend time with
you today.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Appreciate it. Is there anything you think we should know,
anything you want to preface our conversation with before we
dive in.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Oh, in an hour's time, it is not possible to
provide some of the detail that was very helpful for me,
in particular to decide whether I was dealing with a
great actor and or possibly being gaslet or fraud of

(11:58):
a character. So I realized that, as we speak in
brief terms, it may come across more as a Marvel
Comics plot because it is a very out of this
world sort of story, and probably not many books have
been written about this quantity of contact.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well, Lisa, if you want to go about it this way,
we can take it in however slow you'd like to go,
and if it means we need to bring you back
on another episode, we can do that.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Oh that's a nice invitation. Thank you. Well. As you said,
life did start very normally and beautifully. I had a
wonderful neighborhood to be in. There were twenty eight kids
about my age, so there was it was like the
backyards were playground. And when I began dating Rob, it

(12:53):
was a dream come true and I was really pretty
much head over heels for about the first month, and
then he began to doct to me about some sorrow
that he had had. And it began in talking to
me on a dark night walk where nobody could hear us,

(13:13):
where he was telling me that he needed to let
me know that things weren't exactly as they appeared. He
said that when he was a young boy, about the
age of four or five years old, he and his
real parents had been driving along the highway in Michigan
and were accosted by extremely bright lights which hung over them.

(13:37):
Did stop the car and got out and vanished, and
mom got out of the car and vanished, and he
was left alone, abandoned. And he said that the family
that he was with now was his adopted family, and
I felt very sad for him. He went on to

(13:58):
say that he never knew what happened to his parents,
and that he had received a phone call asking him
to meet with them and that he would find out
what happened to his parents. So he was very on
edge and very sad and somewhat disturbed. And that night

(14:18):
I was looking out the window for something in the
sky and didn't see a thing. But the next day,
when he came to get me from for school because
we always walked to school together, which was about close
to a mile walk. We would talk and he told
me the next day that he had had a meeting

(14:40):
he had been taken on a spaceship, and that he
found out that his parents had passed away in a crash,
and that they wanted to start working with him. And
this was incredulous to me. I began to wonder what

(15:01):
they could want with a high school boy. And as
the story developed, as he began to go to the
craft on a regular basis and tell me about it
the next day, I spent some time wondering if he
was crazy or whether I was crazy to spend time
with him. But as things developed, he began to say

(15:23):
that he was going to be helping with some computer
calculations and developing some systems and things to do with missions.
And they still couldn't understand what they wanted with him,
but he began to tell me that he was going

(15:43):
to go up to the ship while we were supposed
to be at school, and so he was going to
be replaced by a holographic projection from the craft that
would create his image and could create project suggestions to
the mind that what a person was seeing was solid warm.

(16:07):
If you touched it, it had the touch of skin
to it, but it acted very would act not exactly
like him, because the programming wasn't that good yet, he said.
So the first time that this happened, we were walking
to school and I was getting a little frustrated with
him because I was having trouble understanding this situation why

(16:29):
he had to go up there, And in that moment,
he snapped his fingers and suddenly I was with something
completely different but looked identical to him. And the behavior
of the presence was very robotic, didn't speak English that smoothly,

(16:51):
and grabbed my hand and pulled me to school. So
that was the beginning of dealing with holographs who had
different numbered it ors. The first one was pretty crude.
And if I can backtrack a little bit and tell
you that this began to happen in nineteen seventy five,
so for younger people who weren't around at that point

(17:14):
in time, nineteen seventy five was a time when the
Cold War was going on very fiercely. We were all
prepared for nuclear war. The mood in the country had
nothing to do with eufology, because the only thing that

(17:37):
had ever really been out was Lost in Space, which
was a fantasy show, and Star Trek. There had been
no et the extraterrestrial, there had been no close encounters,
there had been no Star Trek yet, and there were
no cell phones, so telephone communication had to happen through

(18:03):
a telephone that was connected to your phone or sitting
on your end table, but you could only go as
far as the cord would let you. So after having
had my first experience with a with Rob being lifted
and being replaced by a holographic replacement, I began to

(18:26):
ask a lot of questions, and the holographs began to
come down and talk to me about what Rob was doing,
who he really was, and what they were doing and
what they had intentions of doing, and even filling me
in on telling me stories about other planetary systems and

(18:48):
other cultures. So I began to begin be immersed in
a very fascinating but very strange situation.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
I think that's a great point, because we do have
to hit our first break, So let's pause and come
back with the Lisa Nelson and we'll pick up our
conversation right there. I'm Jeremy Scott somewhere between the paranormal
and the abnormal again, talking with the Lisa Nelson tonight,
and she is the author of the book Earth's Secret Visitors.

(19:20):
More to come. Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
I'm Jeremy Scott's.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Pair Abnormal News. I'm George Henry, one of several comments
that are traveling through our skies at the moment. Took
a hit from the sun. Solar wind ripped away a
massive section of the tail on Commet Lemon and as
it races toward Earth. An astrophotographer captured the incredible sight.
Images show the comet's glowing green coma and a long

(20:09):
luminous tail stretching through the constellation Leo Minor. A time
lapse captured the moment a colossal section of the tail
was ripped away by charged particles from the sun. Comet
Lemon is getting brighter by the day and is expected
to make its closest approach to Earth on October twenty first,
before swinging back out near the Sun in early November.

(20:33):
Here Pair of Normal News every hour on into the
Pair of Normal, preparing for contact.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Hold on, you're about to land somewhere into the pear
of normal par.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
All right, here's our guest tonight on the program, and
she's about to be immersed in the contact of a
I guess we'll call him boyfriend who she meets as
a sophomore in high school named Rob. He's had these
contact experiences after being accosted by what we'll call a
UFO along with his parents who abandoned him. I believe

(21:26):
as a teenager, she witnesses him being lifted to the
craft and being replaced by this hologram. I think that's
probably close to an accurate summary of what we've heard
so far. So talk about this immersion process and by
all means correct me if I missed anything.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Well, when you said abandoned, I think it might be
worth mentioning that it was an abduction and of his parents,
and that caused him to be very sorrowful and very
concerned about being drawn and to meet with the beings.
But as things developed, we developed a system where if

(22:07):
he was going up that was referred to as either
going up or being lifted. A fingersnap had to occur first,
so that I would know that this was occurring, because
it happened too quickly for my eye to catch it,
which fueled my skepticism because there are some pretty great

(22:29):
actors out there, and I had wondered if he was
playing a joke on me at times. But every time
the finger snap came, either a completely different personality showed up,
something very steely or very lacking personality, or he would
come back full of his zany self and there had

(22:51):
to be an announcement of who I was with, So
that helped a little bit, because it was very confusing
to be I wanted with this sort of process when,
as I mentioned earlier, there was no context for UFOs
in life really at all in society at the time.

(23:15):
I remained skeptical and sometimes began to demand that maybe
I could go up to the ship and have a
look for myself, and I was told that I couldn't
handle it, that it would be too much for my
mind to comprehend. I had started to write everything down
in my diary, which was a tiny little book, and

(23:36):
I wrote microscopically probably, and I kept it very well
hidden because I didn't want anyone to know what I
was writing down. But I was pretty fascinated with what
was happening, and I had been admonished by the holograms
that I should not write things down, I should not

(23:58):
tell anyone. They were very firm about the idea that
if the awareness of my relationship with him got out,
that I might get picked up by the government and
taken away for questioning or something like that. So I
was fearful of being found out, and that's why it

(24:20):
took me fifty nearly fifty years to get this story out.
But there was a point where one day I got
a phone call. It was in Rob's voice. I might
have thought it was him, but he was very terse
in a way I'd never seen. And I was being
yelled at her keeping a diary, which I hadn't told

(24:43):
them at all, or Rob either, and the message was
you should not be writing this stuff down. Your diary
has been taken. And Rob went to go get it,
but don't write this stuff down. So I set the
phone down, I ran to my bedroom and could not
find my diary. It was nowhere to be found. And

(25:08):
the very strange thing was, I couldn't understand how it
could have been stolen, because it was a Saturday and
my family was home all day and We live in
a pretty small house, so it would have been impossible
for someone to sneak in because everybody was there. When

(25:32):
they yelling at me was finished, I got hung up
on and I immediately tried to call Rob's house, and
the phone was busy, so I decided I would run
out the door and run over to the next neighborhood,
which would have taken a few minutes to run over there.
But just as I came out the door, Rob was
standing there with my diary, walking up to my driveway,

(25:55):
and I was floored because there is no way that
he could have been on the phone and on the
way over here, because this interaction was under two minutes
and it would take five to six minutes to get there.
So I was pretty floored that he had my diary.
It was destroyed pretty well, and he gave it back
to me, but he said, Lisa, if I get discovered,

(26:19):
I have to leave, and I don't want to leave here.
So our secrecy became a very important thing. I began
to learn more about what the beings could do. I
saw different methods of them getting on the ground. One
was the lifting as I've described, where there is a

(26:41):
replacement hologram. Another one is allowing either the Guardians, which
are the beings on the craft, were said to have
a sort of peacekeeping mission or protectionism over unevolved planets.
And I will say that according to the Guardians, our

(27:03):
planet is pretty unevolved, largely because of our warlike nature
and because we are so very invested in nuclear weapons,
which poses a threat not only to our own existence,
but can be harmful to other planets as well as

(27:24):
other dimensions. So the Guardians, as they had begun to
communicate me with me, or which was rare when that
would happen, when they came to talk to me, they
would get there a different way, which was I would
consider it to be similar to possibly a channeling. They've
said that they would put Rob in an unconscious box

(27:47):
was their exact term for it, and they would take
control of his body and speak through him. So I
think that was either like a similar to a soul swapping,
or if Rob was channeling, some of the great channels
will let a divine being or a being of a
different form disincarnate take control of their body. Another way

(28:12):
that beings could get down to the ground was through
what they called taking form and I believe that these
beings were not used to being in a body because
of how they acted when they got in a body.
There would be a lot of touching and just kind

(28:33):
of looking themselves over when they showed up in Rob's form,
and that was the idea of I think there was
a way to send a being down and make it
look like Rob, or possibly packaged them in some way.
But I had at least three four interactions with beings

(28:56):
who came to visit me over the years, so there
was lifting, suspending, and form, and as the time went on,
there were conversations about missions that Rob would go on
or calculations that he was doing. I should probably mention
that he was exceptionally intelligent. His father confirmed to me

(29:22):
that he had a.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Wonder We'll continue with Lisa in just a.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Moment into the pair of normal, pair.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Of I'm Jeremy Scott, somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal,
talking with Lisa Nelson tonight her book Earth Secret Visitors.

(29:57):
Are they here to help us? Contact with Rober speaking
about he is a childhood I please continue.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
So we're back in high school by then. As about
a year went by, I was having quite a bit
of contact with the holograms, and Rob was spending a
lot of time away, and I was beginning to become
resentful of having to walk around with something that really
wasn't my boyfriend and really wasn't much of a personality

(30:31):
or good company at all. But I did get tutored
in things, and they would show me things in the sky,
and it became very fascinated. When one example would have
been whether one dark night it was winter time, the
hologram pointed to the sky and told me to notice

(30:53):
three lights that were in a row sitting in the
sky that were never there before, for they were clearly
not satellites because they were not moving, and they were
not stars. I do know that because a they had
never been there before, but beat they were in a
perfect line and sat equidistant from each other, not moving,

(31:18):
but as if parked, and they sat there, probably, as
I recall, about forty five minutes, and we talked about
other things, and eventually the holograms said, look at the
three lights again. They're going to disband. And as soon
as he told, as soon as they spotted them again,
they split off into disparate directions as fast as you

(31:41):
could imagine. So it became clear to me that what
was going on were things that could happen in the
sky were connected with things that were on the ground.
This was not stuff that my boyfriend could come up with.
So I continued to want to know more, and I

(32:04):
did gradually know more. There was points in time where
aircraft would come very very low over our neighborhood, very
large craft, and the hologram at the time would say,
this is one of our craft. We just put illusion
on it so that it'll look like a commercial plane.

(32:26):
But this plane is too big to be flying this
low over your neighborhood. And here's how you can tell
the difference. The sound projects a different way, the light
pattern is different, and they would point out things like that.
So they would describe things that would happen on ships.

(32:49):
They described a ship as being something that could hold
an entire town's worth of people in it, which to
me at the time my town was about thirty five
thousand people. And they talked about what it was like
in a shift, saying that they didn't have lights the
way we do that we used to project light into

(33:13):
a darkened space to light it up. They said that
light would just fill the space. It didn't have to
emanate from any particular source. They said that they could
use space differently inside a craft and use light partitions
as walls, so they could take a wall up or
a wall down very easily. There was one evening after

(33:39):
I had been asked asking to be taken on a craft,
where something happened that I never could have anticipated, which
was that one night, deep in the night, I was
sound asleep and I heard helicopters approaching the neighborhood from
the distance, and as it got closer in the rumble deepened.

(34:01):
I realized it was a number of helicopters and they
were coming right in our direction, which was strange because
there's no reason for helicopters to be in that town
during that day and age. And the closer they got,
the ladder it got. I couldn't believe nobody else was awake.

(34:22):
The helicopters stopped over the front yard and bright lights
were streaming into the windows. I got up out of
my bed, wondering why nobody but me was up. But
I walked out into the front yard, and as soon
as I got outside, the helicopters left, and I realized
that I was under the belly of a very large craft.

(34:46):
It was so low that it was touching, almost touching
the branches of the tree in the front yard. But
it was very low, and I tried to grasp the
size of it by looking to see the back edge
of it, and it covered more than the depths of
the backyard of the neighbors across the street from us,

(35:10):
which told me that this thing was larger than a
football field. That's how I was able to measure it.
And after the helicopters had left, I heard a very
soft hum. I found it a little comforting. But suddenly
I was inside the craft, on my hands and knees,

(35:33):
kneeling on a rounded edge, kind of like the inside
of a bowl, looking at the shingles of my house,
and looking at the branches of the tall tree, and
I heard it being say to me, stand up. So
I turned around and saw a tall one someone who

(35:54):
looked like they wanted to look friendly, but they looked
very odd. Had a wig on, obviously didn't look like
regular people here do, and it looked like it had
been put on, and almost like a clown wake, except
that it was plain brown rather than red or orange

(36:14):
like we often see with clowns. But there was a
smile on the face of this thing, and when it
talked to me, the mouth did not move at all,
so I knew that it was speaking to me telepathically.
And the being who I called smiling denis because he
wore a white jacket and probably black pants, a very

(36:35):
plain sort of outfit, but looked like it was trying
to be reassuring to me. I was strangely calm, which
I don't understand that, but told me that they had
a question for me. And I began to feel a
rifling through all of the memories of my mind, much

(36:58):
as if somebody opened a out came in at drawer
and started flipping through folders or a rolodex, spinning through
the rolodex cards for those who remember what a rolodex is.
And I felt an answer being extracted from my mind,
and I struggled a little bit with that and said, hey,

(37:21):
had out this is my brain kind of objection, and
I was told that they needed to get the answer
directly from my mind because I would convolute it. He
seemed pleased at that point, and I looked over and
saw a console. It was definitely a control console, and

(37:48):
I started to look at it and wanted to take
it in and memorize it, and they told me not
to look at it, and they put up a partition
so that I couldn't see it anymore. It appeared instantaneous.
It was a wall of white light. What happened next
was they asked me to walk into the center of
a space, and a tabletop materialized. As I got close

(38:13):
to it, glyphs that were lit up in either cherry
rad or cobalt blue light lifted up out of the
surface of the table in a few rows, and I
was asked to choose the glyph that meant me. And
I looked at them and somehow had a non English

(38:35):
understanding of what these meant. They resonated or didn't resonate
with me in certain ways, and I passed my eyes
over each one and met my eyes with the light
of the glyph, and eventually I found one that definitely
said this is me. So I told them pointed at

(38:57):
the one that I thought was what they were asking
me to identify. When I had done that, a laser
streamed into my eye myriad images, and I began to
see memories, equations. What appeared to be like sacred geometry.

(39:24):
What appeared to be like designs, kaleidoscopic sort of images,
quite a few things I had forgotten about myself, dreams
I'd had as a little girl, images of happy times.
It was a complete mixture of things. It was quite
a lot of voluminous information.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
And sure, we have to pause because we're at the
end of the hour, but we're going to have an
amazing conversation in the next hour with Lisa Nelson when
we continue somewhere between the paranormal.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Him Can you handle another hour somewhere between the pair
of normal and abnormal into the pair of normal with
Jeremy Scott. We'll be right back.

Speaker 6 (40:28):
There's a parallel universe fail that separations. While we perceived
true reality.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
Over the cap.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Let the truth be known, it small and missed.

Speaker 6 (40:46):
I into the par of no, go into the parent,
Go into the parable.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Hang on for the ride. You're headed into the preb normal.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
I'm Jeremy Scott and our guest tonight on the program,
Lisa Nelson. She is author of Earth Secret Visitors. Are
They here to help us? But as we're hearing from her,
she's also an experiencer and an energy healer, and we're
just really scratching the surface of thus far about her
contact story which first begins with her boyfriend, and then

(41:44):
here she is on board this craft having this interaction,
and please continue.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Back to the craft. After the streaming of the myriad images,
I did my best to hope to recall memorize what
was coming into my mind or out of my mind.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
I don't know what exactly what ascope of images.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
It was a tremendous quantity. It was like a data stream,
only visual, and it was really something to take in.
I was that was the There was also at that
time behind the tall guy were some small beings who

(42:39):
were quite short, stickly and had on brown burlap looking
clothing tied with a rope that looked fairly monk like,
and they were hiding behind the tall one's legs. I
could see that they were trying to hide, if not
even be invisible, but I was able to see them.

(43:01):
So there was this mixture of beings that were interacting
with me. The little guys didn't have anything to say
to me, but the paul one seemed pleased with me.
Once I had selected the right gliph and then had
the stream. After that I was back in my bed,

(43:22):
and I remembered being saying the opposite of what occurred
when I just before I had gotten out of my bed.
When I was in my bed originally and the helicopters
were coming, I had said, I am asleep, but I'm awake,
And when I was back in my bed, I said,
I'm awake but asleep. And it seems to me that

(43:45):
there may have been some sort of calming or hypnotic
suggestion to keep me pretty placid during that whole interaction,
because I hear from unfortunate abductees that they have had
trauma that way, and I would say, I've been pretty
fortunate in not having ship experiences that I can recall

(44:07):
more than once. And it was not terrifying. It was
pretty strangely placid. But back in the neighborhood, we would
all often walk to school and occasionally there would be
very large black birds that would waddle around near us,

(44:28):
and the hoolgrams would tell me that those were monitors
that were being used to protect the area while their
warrior person was on the ground. It had been shared
with me that the reason he was living on Earth
was because his own planet had lost its society to

(44:49):
disease and the planet was no longer viable, so he
had to live on a planet was similar atmosphere. He
woul sometimes expressed homesickness and even for lost members of
family or other marriages that he had had or children

(45:09):
that he had had in other periods of life. As
they began to tell me more about what missions were,
the holograms would tell me that he was said to
have magic. It was a genetic quality, and the reason
that the Guardians wanted to work with him was because

(45:32):
they wanted to meld magic with technology so that they
would have technology that could not be superseded. Because the
way technology develops, if you're not at the forefront, then
you really can't protect the society, the less evolved societies.
So there was talk about other planets that had issues

(45:56):
with piracy, and sometimes the Guardians would go to protect them,
and sometimes Rob as an ancient warrior as I was
being tolled, was going out to take down technology that
was sometimes computers as large as giant buildings skyscrapers. They

(46:18):
would describe and take it out so that the takeover
of different planetary systems could be disallowed. The backstory began
to be that he actually was the owner of his
own house, and that the family was a mix of

(46:41):
biology and technology, that they had androids in place there,
and that they were developing into more of a biological mix.
They talked about being able to create skin and put
it over technology, and that a person really couldn't tell
the difference. There were times I walked over to the

(47:02):
bark like household and.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Not a bit was adopted parents.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Yeah, the story gradually shifted to, well, they're not really
his adopted family, they're really his quote sort of backstory
family where they had to create a setting for someone
to be on the planet. They had told me at
the time that there were seven other people on Earth

(47:31):
that were living secretly on Earth, and they told me
what countries and how many in each and it wasn't
very many. And I don't know if that number is
true or where they did mention the countries. But it

(47:52):
was hard to imagine that it was so easy that
there could be beings from other planets living here greatly
and not being able to tell that they were not human.
But there's so much talk now about different types of ailing,
and especially a lot of talk about Nordics or humanoids

(48:15):
and Rob was a very pale, very very blond person.
His hair was platinum blonde, so he had almost a
ghostly look to him. And in that family, they teased
him quite a bit that he wasn't one of them,
that he was from somewhere else, and they took great

(48:39):
pleasure in teasing him about not being one of them.
Through the years, there were a few different visitors who
came to see me in Rob's form. One was a
military general, one was a female who apparently considered me

(49:02):
to have taken her boyfriend, and I felt a little
threatened by her. And another one was a very wise woman.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
And while he was living, or these are while.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
He was living, they would at one point in time
I got a call that the number two or we
had iterations of the holograms that got more sophisticated with time.
The first one could have been more comparable to Arnold

(49:36):
Schwartzenegger playing the role of Terminator. However, that role I
wouldn't have known to compare it because that movie did
not come for years after this point in time. But
the first one was very crude.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Or a Terminator like appearance. Will continue with Lisa Nelson Tonight,
author of Earth's secret visitors? Are they here to help
us somewhere between in the paranorm And Yeah, I'm Jeremy Scott.

(50:39):
This is a fascinating story tonight. We're taking it as
far as we can, and if we need to do
another program with Lisa Nelson, we'll make sure that we
can schedule that as soon as our calendars allow. All right,
So appearing in multiple forms, you say Rob appeared to
you while he was living, but they were They were
not Rob.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
They were clearly not Rough. And the reason I know
that is because of the situations where two things were
happening at once in different places. The use of the
telephone in Rob's voice when Rob was not at home
and there were no cell phones yet. For example, I

(51:24):
had had visitors. The first one was a general who
was said to be receiving a reward for good service.
And when they brought him, helicopters again came over my house,
and the hologram came to pick me up to walk

(51:45):
to my neighbor's home where we could have privacy because
we were house sitting for them in my family. And
this general was very interested in experiencing being in a body.
He was very confused about what it was like to

(52:07):
see things like typical furniture like nightstand lamp, or sit
on a bed, or handle a doorknob, and things like
that very extremely unfamiliar. There were inappropriate things that happened,
and I made great objections to being exposed to some

(52:33):
of these beings because there were didn't have the same
sort of cultural norms that we have. So there was
some startling kind of interactions with the beings that came.
But also at the time, the guardians and holograms were

(52:56):
talking about things like our our society being dribbled in
information and ideas about other worldly systems. Outer space was
being portrayed in popular music and movies, and there were

(53:17):
more sightings around that time in the Chicago area. I
learned later, much later that that area was one of
the most anomalous areas of the country. During that specific
period of years. Album covers were showing spacecraft, album covers

(53:41):
were showing other planets, like the Roger Dean artwork, So
there was a lot of influence coming in. And they
said that sometimes they would bring recording artists up to
the ship and do concerts with them, and then they
would go back and produce those albums. Of the people
that they talked about taking up was David Boid. For example.

(54:06):
There was music that you could easily guess may have
been influenced by otherworldly concepts such as yes 'riah Heap
and so on, And very slowly movies were beginning to
come into play. One that they were very interested in
was a movie entitled Wizards, and it wasn't a popular movie.

(54:28):
It was animated, but it was really all about the
melding of technology and magic. And this is the reason
that the Guardians gay for wanting to work with Rob
was they had told me that he had a genetic
combination that gave him abilities that were termed to be magic.

(54:50):
I think magic is a term that people use when
something is so beyond their comprehension that they don't know
what to make of it. During those years, Rob was
working on calculations a lot. I heard a lot of
talk about the Cold War and the issue of imminent

(55:14):
nuclear war. They also told me that they were making
UFO appearances at nuclear sites, military bases, launching facilities, storage facilities,
monitoring facilities, saying that they knowingly were causing national security

(55:37):
emergencies and said that they were doing it intentionally to
let them know that they were monitoring, and this was
something I had no way to confirm at the time.
It wasn't until Robert Hastings book UFOs and Nukes came

(55:57):
out that we had the full scale one hundred and
sixty seven interviews from military personnel who were on during
duty at the time of UFO incursions, and that book
didn't come out until two thousand and eight. But what
the Guardians were interested in, there were a couple of

(56:19):
craft that they were highly interested in seeing develop well.
And what they said they were doing was providing telepathic
downloads to aeronautics engineers to give them ideas to move
forward the flood capabilities and maneuverability of certain craft. And

(56:42):
they were very interested in the X twenty nine and
the Stealth, for example, and I heard quite a bit
about the development of that. I later, much later, two
years before the book was released, I was really wishing
that I could meet an engineer from one of those projects,

(57:05):
and I received clarodiantly information that I should go on
a certain social site and within a day it was
actually within hours really I met the person who became
the interviewee from who had BEENISCUMP works in Space program engineer,

(57:28):
and I asked him whether he had seen anything that
might suggest that that engineers had been receiving telepathic downloads
of advances in aviation, and he told me that yes,
he did believe he saw that, although he didn't happen
with him personally. He said that the way things weren't

(57:50):
getting completely drawn out and they just knew how to
build it was something that was very striking to him.
So in the book there is that inner view where
he talks about his belief that telepathic downloads was highly likely.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Would we call rob an interdimensional being or what?

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Well, we could take it farther and say that everybody
is an intradimensional being. And there are beings that can
take a solid form if they can move into a solid,
but they may have a solid that they need to

(58:37):
be able to occupy. And I believe that the Guardians
were able to occupy him. If the Guardians were described
as part of the fabric of the universe, and what
that tells me is that they were non physical. I

(59:01):
believe were physical. Although now I see today so much
stuff in the form of orbs and eggs. I believe
that they're utilizing small packages and even non physical packages
to move around potentially as conveyances, and with the ability
to utilize space on the interior of a craft the

(59:24):
way I saw it, seems to me they could probably
get quite a lot going on in a small amount
of space. But interdimensionally, a human being is a holographic
being as well. I do go into the state of
hologram technology and the state that it was because at

(59:47):
the time, the term hologram was more conceptual in our society,
because it was.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
We got a pause. We'll be right back with Lisa Nelson,
our guest tonight, somewhere between the Paranoi normal and the abnormal.

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Speaker 7 (01:01:24):
They call them interdimensional beings. I think that they can
actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have.
That's based on stuff that we've seen. That's based on
information that we've been told.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
I have met with entities from other dimensions.

Speaker 8 (01:01:45):
We've encountered these beings, and perhaps we're consorting with these
beings and in some way conspiring these beings.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
The truth is far stranger that we'd like to believe.
You're headed somewhere between the pair of normal and abnormal
into the parabnormal.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
So is there some intervention going on here? I mean,
that's the question. We certainly have talked about the nuclear
aspect of this as well, and it's all related. According
to the story being told to us tonight, Earth Secret
Visitors Are they here to help us? Lisa Nelson its
author Lisaelson Healingtouch dot com her website, and I really

(01:02:35):
appreciate her coming on the program tonight. All right, list,
so we're talking about the holograms. That's important to this
because certainly Rob appeared to you many times as a hologram.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
The holograms took different iterations that sequentially evolved into we
left it at number ten, and the swapping out was
something that my brother in law witnessed many times growing up,
and he described it as in one moment, you're with

(01:03:09):
Rob and then the next moment, you're looking into the
eyes of something very, very old, and it terrified him.
But to your question, there is a holographic nature to
humans in general, but also with the inner dimensional aspects.

(01:03:30):
We have our higher selves, and I believe there are
beings that are able to move into different dimensions. They're
not limited to certain ones. It depends on their gifts
of being able to move between vibrations. My hope for
humanity is that we learn how to move into the

(01:03:52):
higher vibrations more intentionally, because we would have such a
more cohesive society if we were able to consider and
feel one another much more better. But the Guardians were
very intentional in terms of saying that they were doing

(01:04:13):
an intervention in the Cold War. They were explicitly saying,
we are moving the United States ahead of Russia. We
are doing that through technology. We are doing that by
helping with technology downloads to aeronautics engineers. That was always
a message. But the overarching additional message was your planet

(01:04:39):
is too warring, it is too violent, and you're not
evolved enough yet to join in the neighborhood of galaxies.
We have to wait, not intervene too much. But when
it comes to nuclear what we are getting involved here

(01:05:03):
with regards to your Cold War, and we are staying
completely invisible. And so the ways that I saw them
coming and going was a testament to the abilities of
their technology. What came next, if we have time for
a quick last story for this session, It was one

(01:05:26):
time I had a visitor who was aggressive with me
and inappropriate, and I was very upset about it. So
Rob was very angry at the Guardians, and the next
day the Holgram came and took me for a walk
and said, we've got a big issue. Rob brought a

(01:05:46):
craft down near his house and people are going to
see it, and if they find out it's connected to him,
he'll have to leave. And I was walked back to
the neighborhood and there was a very large, large apparition
in the sky. I would call it a UAP because
it was not craft like looking. It was rectangular, and

(01:06:10):
I would estimate it to have been about the size
of the world a World Trade Center tower with no doors,
no openings at all. It had immense platinum light extending
from it, and it was nested in a in a

(01:06:31):
circle of extremely deep purple clouds. The rest of the
sky was without clouds at all, and the moon was
behind us. It was a summer night and quite there
were a number of people in the neighborhood who witnessed
this and pointing at it and saying, what is that.

(01:06:51):
There were two groups of neighborhood members there, and I've
named it the fifty nine Street UFO because that was
the street that we were all standing on. The group
at the top of the hill in the bottom of
the hill. But I had been told that if Rob
got found out he would have to move, so I

(01:07:12):
was concerned about that, and I was hoping that nobody
really would report it. And eventually, after what may have
been two hours, it was nearing dusk. But for a
bunch of high school kids, I was surprised at out
drop kind of people got a little tired of watching

(01:07:36):
it and wanted to go home and go to sleep,
and I think everybody kind of wandered off to their homes,
And I thought that was pretty interesting how they decided
to wander away and not really look at it anymore,
because for me, it was another confirmation that what was
happening on the ground was definitely connected to what was

(01:07:58):
happening in the sky.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Forget about what happened afterwards, what we've referred to as
the UFO amnesia effect.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Well, an interesting fact is when I was researching and
checking for witnesses on this event, out of the ten
people that I know were there, five of them told
me that they remembered being there, remembered pointing at the sky,
remember watching it for a while, and they cannot describe

(01:08:28):
it to me. So that is the reason I put
an artist rendering of it on the cover of the book.
It doesn't work out to scale, because the rectangle on
the book is about two inches, not the size of
a World Trade Center tower, but it was really really massive.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
How big would you say.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
Well, the World Trade Center was about one hundred and
five stories tall, and it was sitting in the sky,
floating or in an act of anti gravity. But that
is the best sort of dimensions I could give you.
I've never found anything large enough to compare.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
It to something the size of the World Trade Center
floating in the sky. That would certainly catch the attention
of individuals, whether they remember it as another story. Lisa
Nelson is our guest and will wrap up our conversation
with her Somewhere between the Paranormal and the abnormal when
we come back.

Speaker 9 (01:09:38):
In just a few short minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
Into the Paranormal.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Jeremy Scott Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal, and
with Lisa Nelson tonight, author of Earth's Secret Visitors. Are
they here to help us? Or at leasta, what do
you have to say about that? Are they here to
help us?

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
I want to raise that question. At the time, I
only had one sort of contact. I've never, as far
as I know, had contact with other types of beings
such as grays or reptilions, or manteds, or different Nordics,
the different sorts of types of beings that we hear about.

(01:10:57):
But as far as these beings, I would say that
there was intervention and help. I hope it still exists,
but I haven't had any contact with them since nineteen
the beginning of nineteen ninety. I believe that it was
important to ask that question as part of the title,

(01:11:19):
because as we go into disclosure, everything in the way
of resistance towards giving the public the knowledge that we're
asking for is that it's national security, and they deem
anything that's in the skies a potential threat. And I
want to remind folks that we are well aware that

(01:11:41):
there has been eucological activity ever since the advent of
the nuclear weapons programs that have proliferated nuclear weapons to
the point that I can't even imagine what thirteen thousand
nuclear warheads to this planet or the galaxy. But just

(01:12:03):
because something is in the sky doesn't mean it's hostile.
You have to look at what's being destroyed, which is
very little. And I think when somebody gets harmed, it
comes from exposure, not from malice. I believe that there
is a very neutral stance on the part of visitors.

(01:12:27):
I can't speak to the plans of other types of beings,
but as far as what I witness, I think that
we've been very fortunate to have an entity that would
prevent more powerful entities from taking over, enslaving, or pillaging

(01:12:52):
our resources. For example, our planet could have things that
other places would like to have. And I think I
would like to bring up the topic of evolution. There's
been a lot of concentration on control in our society

(01:13:17):
and less concentration on connection. And so when we say interdimensional,
I think when we think about the holographic nature of
the human being, it is good to foster awareness and
sensitivity to other people touching on us at all times.

(01:13:38):
A human being can feel another human being thinking about them.
A human being can feel another person's depressed from the
other side of the planet. And intuition is our makeup,
and quite a few people don't really have that awareness

(01:13:58):
because they may be a technology distracted or maybe not
have been mentored a little bit in terms of developing intuition,
or they may think it is not them. Although it
is for everyone to be aware of the intuitive capabilities

(01:14:20):
that we have, and we could be a warmer, more
connected planet if we would utilize our intuition and our
heart centeredness. And I just wanted to bring that up
because my feeling is we will not be able to
develop technology beyond a point until we deal with the
kinds of beings that we are, and being heart centered

(01:14:43):
would really help us understand things like some of the
technologies that I've described today which are non physical, the
amount of mind suggestion and illusion use that they're able
to do, where something is able to emanate a signal
to a human mind that says, what you see is
something that looks like a heater, but this is really

(01:15:07):
a piece of technology that monitors the area for dangers
to our people, for example. So we are going non
physical in terms of going wireless, but I would like
to suggest that people be more sensitive and open more

(01:15:28):
to others to feel them in terms of the love
that we ought to all share, because a lot of
us have gotten worried about life. The economy is not easy,
and there are a lot of challenges in the world,

(01:15:49):
and when we get more connected, we're going to find
more answers to things and we can evolve that way,
technology will not make evolved. We all know that technology
is done the down.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Yeah, And are there other ways that the inter dimensionals
have intervened in our affairs that we may not be
so privy to.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
Well, those are kind of some big things. I believe
that there is. There are quite a few people who
have dedicated their lives to bringing information forward as food
for thought for others who may not have considered them
the nature of reality being as broad as it actually is,

(01:16:40):
and there are authors coming forward. There are researchers like
Robert Hastings and other book authors who know that have
known for a very long time that there are a
lot Their place in life was to bring information forward.
I knew from a very young age that I would
write a book, but I didn't know what about until

(01:17:02):
I was in this situation with the contact, and then
I was told not to write about it. Until two
thousand and eight, I was getting telepathic messages that said
that it was time to bring the book forward. And
I know that that was for my own good, because
I did a lot of healing as I started to

(01:17:23):
deal with the store that I had decided to pretend
hadn't happened. I was looking to be as normal as possible.
But as I went through the work of getting the
book ready, it blessed me quite a bit to return
to the memories and deal with the trauma that occurred,

(01:17:44):
especially in the parts we haven't talked about as yet.
There were some aspects that were very difficult to deal with.
And I think when you're well grounded and you are
familiar with your personal power and you develop connection to
divine beings, you know that you're in a good place

(01:18:06):
being on earth. It's actually a safe place to be.
It's a beautiful place to be, and the love that
we get from all over the place in terms of
connections to other people, is really a wonderful way to live.
I will say, I guess I'll bringing in some healers
speak there for the moment. But I think there is

(01:18:31):
probably intervention happening in terms of disclosure. And the reason
I say that is I personally don't believe that disclosure
will come from the government. The people who hold the
secrets don't respect the presidency, they don't respect the lawmakers.

(01:18:51):
They are not coming forward and they probably won't because
it would after threatening people, it would be problematic to
their identity. To come forward and say, oh, this is
our secret project, because they've been doing some pretty criminal things.

(01:19:11):
There is a situation that there is massive spending going
into this, and there is some serious amounts of money
going into back engineering, and I don't believe that there
will be any real disclosure until a turning quit is

(01:19:32):
placed on the giant amount of resources that is being
given to this work. And if it were being done
in the name of humanity, that would be one thing,
but it is being done in the name of war.
That's why it's now a Department of War, and that
is not going to help us get any closer to

(01:19:55):
having contact with the beings that people are so interested
in finding out about. I think it'll kind of put
us on hold for a while. At the time that
I was in continuous contact with the interdimensionals, they were
saying it could be many centuries before we could begin
to have real contact with other planets. And the reason

(01:20:18):
I mentioned heart centeredness is that would be one way
to get us sign appsed in a more high vibrational way,
because maybe it doesn't have to be centuries.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Well, Lisa, let's have you back after a Halloween when
we can get our schedules better and we'll put another
two hours to this. Great look forward to that. What's
your website?

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
My website is Lisa Neelson Healing Touched dot com. It
doesn't discuss the book. I keep those areas separate. So
that is for my healing website. If anyone wants to
email me, it's consciousness or writer at gmail dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
All right, we'll talk next time, Lisa, Thanks best to you.
Good night friends,