Ep. #851: DEAD AIR 2025 Night 1

"Dead Air" returns with another haunting Halloween audio experience that calls you back year after year. Dare to enter, and you’ll be immersed in true ghost stories, eerie encounters, and spine-tingling sounds that echo from beyond the grave. On night one, Jeremy welcomes a trio of guests: Mark Leslie shares tales of haunted hotspots in Hamilton, Ontario; June Ahern reveals how psychic and paranormal abilities bridge the gap between the living and the dead; and Erin Taylor uncovers the ghostly history of Leadville, Colorado. Plus, short stories and original music. It’s a spectral journey you won’t soon forget that will linger long after the lights go out.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
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A confirmed attack is taking place against the United States.
Aliens from an unknown location have been reported in multiple states.

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There is another world that awaits, far beyond what we
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Step into the song of the first time, know a
cospiracies and cover to the pair. Not a week ago
ago with Charity scuff.

Speaker 8 (01:11):
It is that night each year when the air waves
come alive. Welcome to Dead Air.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yes it is Halloween, friends, well not quite tomorrow Night's Halloween,
but it is the Halloween season. As the veil between
worlds grows thin this October night, the living and the
dead occupy the same breath of midnight air tonight on

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this Dead Air broadcast. These stories are as real as
they get. The sound, well, those are unfiltered, and the
chill that you will feel is not just your imagination.
Don't if you feel any of that, it means we're
doing our job. From the cold, dark depths of a
secret dungeon somewhere deep in the remote Pacific Northwest. I

(02:15):
am Jeremy Scott, this is the show that I look
forward to each and every year. I trust you look
forward to it each and every year. It has well
a variety of meanings. Number One, In radio, dead air
is a very very bad thing, especially when you're on
more than one radio station. When you're on many radio

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stations and they're picking up the feed, it is not
good usually to have dead air, unless, of course, we're
talking about the dead, you know, as in ghosts, spirits,
that kind of thing. Well, then dead air can be
very cool. And so as you listen to the broadcast,

(03:01):
I hope you appreciate how much effort we have put
into the program to make this the Halloween destination on
the radio. I don't know. Compare it against some of
those other shows, and you tell me who puts more
effort into the broadcast. Whether you are listening by candlelight,

(03:22):
and if that is the case, make sure you blow
it out before you drift away tonight. I don't want
anybody telling me, hey, I uh was listening to the
program and then my place burned down. That would be horrible.
So if it is by candlelight, it comes with a warning.
Please blow it out before you drift away listening to

(03:42):
the program tonight. Maybe you're lying in bed already because
it is kind of that hour in some places, or
you're behind the wheel of a truck wherever you may be,
and even if that is, afraid to look behind you,
Prepare yourself for what's going to come across your radio tonight.

(04:05):
If you dare to enter, you'll be immersed in true
got stories, airy encounters, and spine tingling sounds that echo
from beyond the grave. This is dead air, friends, where
silence isn't empty. No, it's actually listening. Somebody sent me

(04:28):
that line. I thought i'd use it. Thank you for
uh that email. We are going to have several guests
who will join us throughout the course of tonight's program
and tomorrow night's program, talking about a variety of haunted locations,
paranormal investigations, contact with spirits, you know, the whole nine yards.
Everything you would expect on a dead Air broadcast. Perhaps

(04:51):
maybe you have headed to a haunted house, you know,
they're big business. I have been to a haunted house
of time or two in my years. I haven't been
since before the pandemic. Not because I'm scared. I just
haven't had the time, and well they were shut down
for a couple of years, and now they have the
social distancing haunted houses. I mean, is that any fun?

(05:12):
Social distancing haunted houses? Yeah, wear your masks. I mean,
it's fine when they wear their masks, But I don't
want to wear my mask, and I certainly don't want
a social distance. I want to be able to hold
whoever I'm with, you know, because it gives me a
little bit more courage as we go through the corners
and the curves of those haunted houses, whether real are staged.

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Though we can think literature film television for the increase
in popularity of haunted houses, those that are taking over
buildings during the Halloween season, but also those that are
legitimately haunted because people have died there and the spirits
haven't moved on, or whatever the case happens to be.
I mean, you think about it. If it is your

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own residence, we think of it as a ref fugeve safety.
Yet when we are invaded by the past, which is
apparently what's happening here, can turn quite terrifying, often through
ghosts carrying unresolved stories that are tied to the place

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from ancient Roman tales to eighteenth century Gothic novels at
its spaces have reflected themes of inheritance, guilt, and retribution.
In the nineteenth century, Gothic fiction moved into ordinary homes.
Victorian ghost stories often examined fears surrounding domesticity, privacy, intrusion,

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and in the twentieth century, with modernism and film, the
haunted house evolved into a psychological and cinematic phenomenon. We
are fascinated and if you run a haunted house, hopefully
you're making lots and lots of money this season. Think
about it. If you're visiting a haunted house and you

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legitimately experience a scare, whether it's again a stage haunted
house where somebody's stepping out and scaring you, or it
is a legitimate haunted house and a spiritence steps out
and scares you, it could actually be good for your health.

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Who would have thought. A study suggests that visiting a
haunted house may temporarily boost the immune system and reduce inflammation. Well,
there's that. Researchers monitored participants with low level inflammation and
none at all before and after a fifty minute haunted
house experience involving intense scares. Three days later, inflammation markers

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had decreased in over eighty percent of them and normalized
entirely in nearly half. Those without prior inflammation also showed
immune changes after the experience, So think about it. The
research actually suggests that controlled fear, like if we're expecting it,

(08:18):
may help rebalance immune activity and reduce inflammation. Now, this
is not medical advice of any kind, So don't go
get scared in a haunted house and have a medical
event and then blame me. I'm just saying what the
research has been saying. They proposed that a system which
draws drives the bodies fight or flight response could be responsible.

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So what that says is apparently, when fight or flight
mode is triggered within our body, which could happen when
we go into a haunted house, it could actually be
good for our health. We do have story glories tonight
to share with you of haunted attractions, locations that appear

(09:10):
to be haunted Tonight on the program it is Dead Air.
It is the broadcast that only comes once a year
or twice a year, somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
I'm Jeremy Scott.

Speaker 8 (09:49):
Into the paranormal parent.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Decide, went up the water down, came the rain and
washed the.

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Side or out, Oh, became the sun and dried all
the rain.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Dead Air, I am Jeremy Scott. Dead areas coming across
the airwaves tonight. Well, we collect a whole bunch of
stories that throughout the year that we find in the news.
We also have those that are as sent to us,

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and we'll have a little bit of both tonight. But
you know, we need special music for an occasion like this.
We have searched high and low for special music, and
so it shall begin with a dead air short story. Friends,

(11:13):
we are going to go to West Virginia. Customers of
Rock City Cake Company in downtown Charleston are talking about
more than its decadent cupcakes. Ever since the current owners
moved into the old building, you see, strange and unsettling
events have unfolded. Like a two by four flying off

(11:36):
a balcony there was no one nearby. Imagine the crashing effect.
We need to we need to sound effects. That's the
the sound of a two by four flying off a
doctor pepper can that happened to be sealed, shooting out
of a painting and crashing on the floor, or a

(12:00):
chair moving on its own. Yeah, all typical paranormal happenings
here at this cake company in Charleston, West Virginia. Employees
also describe cold drafts, the eerie feeling of being watched
when the shop is empty, and flickering lights. It turns

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out there was a fire in this location where a
department store once stood that claimed the lives of seven firefighters.
From what I understand, business is good, with guests seemingly
coming for the haunts as much as to suffice their
sweet tooth. This next one can't find out exactly where

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it took place, so it goes down as an unknown location.
When Sarah's daughter sold the creepy picture of an embroidered
horse online, she thought that was the end of it.
It was sent to the buyer, who left a glowing review.
But here's where it gets weird. The package was returned

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in the mail with the same wrapping, handwriting and picture
inside untouched. People are speculating that the artwork, which was
found in a thrift shop, is cursed and war in
the family about trying to get rid of it again.
What does this say A true case of the paranormal
or was it just a misunderstanding. In Massachusetts, there is

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Old North Church, which is the oldest standing church in Boston,
where beneath its historic steeple lies something far darker. A small,
unmarked package arrived at the church's doorstep earlier this year,
with no name or return address, just a postmark from
San Jose, California, with a short type note under the

(13:58):
shipping label. Inside was a single brick covered in dust.
The note read, my husband took this from the crypt.
We have had a string of bad luck and we
want to return the brick, so of course staff put
it on display for all to see. They call it
the cursed brick. Some say it hums with energy, others

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is swhear They feel a chill when they walk by.
Beneath the wooden pews rest the remains of over eleven
hundred souls, from soldiers to sailors and citizens of old Boston.
Some say their spirits never truly left. So when that

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brick vanished, perhaps taken as a souvenir, well, it did
not go unnoticed. The spirits were watching, friends. We have
all sorts of happenings on the air tonight including a
original music that has been submitted by listeners of the program, including.

Speaker 9 (15:06):
Spooky Greety, this is Monster nick over Here. Happy Halloween
to you and yours. You are listening to dead.

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Hair Here is got to be a dream.

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Warning for my life.

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Straight into a jet Black.

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Knight had the strangest mellow pe dance in my head.

Speaker 8 (15:45):
They just swiped the feels it out.

Speaker 9 (15:47):
How's the monster's growing out? I can favors Deepawk, Brown
and Fieldstead.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I was saved insign my bed.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Now I'm running scared.

Speaker 6 (15:57):
It's that this has got to got.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Monster mic over Mere. Thank you for your contributions to
Dead Air twenty twenty five. If you have original music,
you can send that in. We'd love to play it.
And we've got more coming up on this Dead Air broadcast.
Have you ever thought about what makes a place appear
to be haunted? I actually just had a conversation with

(16:28):
a coworker who I found we have a shared common
interest in that we both appreciate a good ghost story
now and again, and we were talking about going to
locations and then she mentioned, you know, the psychic of
the medium or the tour guide, or maybe a combination
of both. That the energy was as she felt negative

(16:49):
and so didn't want to go back into a particular area.
This coworker out later on her own went into that
area and did experience maybe some of that change in energy,
because really you notice a subtle change in energy, that
is what happens usually in paranormal events. But was it

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because she had been told to expect it. It's kind
of like with an EVP when you're playing electronic voice
phenomenon parent ghostly recordings of interactions with spirits. If you
know what to expect, if you know what you're going
to hear, you may convince yourself that's what you're going

(17:33):
to hear. You may not be hearing that. But I mean,
the causes behind such experiences may have more to do
with psychology and science than this supernatural. A sociologist who
has studied paranormal investigators explains that places with tragic histories
like Alcatraz or Gettysburg tend to heighten visitor's sense and expectations.

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Scientific stuff also show that environmental factors can create sensations
mistaken for hauntings, and psychological influences also play a major role,
but belief in the paranormal often stems from family traditions,
cultural background, and suggestion. If someone grows up here and
ghost stories or believes in spirits, they're more likely to

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perceive them. Human tendencies like paradolia, which is seeing patterns
or faces in random shapes, and the power of suggestion
can make ordinary sights and sounds seem supernatural. While many
people genuinely believe that they have encountered ghosts, most phenomena

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attributed to hauntings can be explained by natural, environmental, or
psychological causes. According to this study, Well, it is not
natural to encounter a ghost unless it's happened so often
that it becomes natural and people have just made it

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a part of their normal life and so they tolerate it.
That may be the case. It just happening so often
we live with it, and not everybody writes a book
about it or goes on television about it. But these
may be more common experiences than we've come to know.
We'll hear plenty of those stories tonight on this dead
Air broadcast, which only comes once a year, on into

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the Pair of Normal I'm Jeremy Scott, Pair of.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Normal News, I'm George Henry, A visitor from deep space
is quite literally making waves of its own sound waves.
That is, astronomers have detected intriguing radio signals coming from
comet twelve p Ponds Brooks, which swings by Earth about
every seventy one years. Their findings are based on data

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from China's tian Mah radio telescope during the comet's closest
approach to the Sun last year. First discovered in eighteen twelve,
it has long been known for dramatic outbursts of light
and energy, but this time science has picked up spikes
in radio emissions tied to hydroxyl, a product of water
vapor broken down by sunlight. The team's models show the

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comet is far more active than others of its kind.
NASA researchers recently confirmed that twelve peas water is nearly
identical to Earth's, strengthening the theory that ancient comets may
have helped deliver the ingredients for life. Here pair of
Normal news every hour on into the pair of Normal.

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Is on it.

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Are there any spirits here that would like to talk? Gmail?

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Hello Dead Air. I am Jeremy Scott. Into the pair
Abnormal the night before Halloween, where we've got that mood

(21:38):
set just right for you, blasting across the USA, somewhere
between the paranormal and the abnormal. We will have several
guests to stop I throughout the program tonight, and the
first to joining us is Mark Leslie, author, professional speaker,
and bookseller with more than thirty years of experience. He
has also researched to locations, hundreds of them in fact,

(22:02):
in paranormal phenomena as well. Mark has published more than
thirty books that include thrillers, in fiction, parormal nonfiction, and anthologies. Tonight,
we're going to discuss Haunted Hamilton, the Ghosts of dunder
and Castle, and other Steel Town shivers. I'm ready, how
about you? Friends on Dead Air, we welcome Mark Leslie. Hello,

(22:25):
Hey Jeremy. Great to be here, Thanks for having me. Yeah,
good to do this. It seems like the time is
right here, the night before Halloween, where we would talk
with someone like you about these paranormal happenings. You know,
an author but also a researcher of the paranormal. How
did these paths cross for you? Well, you know, it's

(22:45):
really funny. I've always written horror stories.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I've always written fiction made up tales, speculative, you know,
the explorations of my fear of the dark. You know,
I've always looked in the dark shadows in the corner
and wondered what might be hiding there, you know, monster
under the bed, all kinds of other things like that.
It wasn't until I was an adult and I went
on a historic ghost walk in Canada's nation's capital, Ottawa,

(23:15):
when I realized for the very first time that history
could actually be interesting and not just a bunch of
boring dates and names that you had to memorize for
a history test, but it can actually be interesting because
you can't tell a good ghost story without without digging
into history. And so when I first moved to Hamilton, Ontario,
it was a city my wife was from. I was

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not familiar with the city and that was her hometown.
So when we moved back to her hometown together, I
thought one of the things I wanted to do to
get to know the city was let's go on some
ghost walks. Let's get a feel for this place. Now, Hamilton, Ontario,
which is the steel capital of Canada, kind of like
I guess Canada's version of maybe Pitts.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Okay, I can we can appreciate that comparison.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, and and so, yeah, it was. It was really
fascinating to me because my perception of Hamilton was, Okay, well,
that's where they manufactured, that's where all the major steel
plants are. And I grew up in a mining community
in northern Ontario, where we know, send the nickel down
to Hamilton for it to be processed, et cetera. But
then I learned. I learned there was a lot more
to the city and I actually fell in love with

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the city while researching the book Haunted Hamilton, which was
my very first book about the paranormal, which comet me
by surprise because I had not been expecting to write
those kinds of books.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
So what kinds of locations are we talking about, maybe
steel mines and whatnot that could have some of this
residual haunted energy or whatever we want to call it.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Well, there's some. There's some fascinating mansions in the city
of Hamilton. One of them actually nicknamed Murder Mansion, which
has since been torn down. You've got Dundurn Castle, which
was one of the first major properties built right on
it's right on Lake Ontario. So it was one of
those as you're coming into the city from the Toronto area,

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coming around the Bay, it was this magnificent mansion on
a hill. You have the Hermitage ruins, which used to
be a stately house, but it's now just a set
of ruins. You can still go visit. But then you've
got the Achmar House, which has a history and even
some film productions have been shot there over the years.

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And yeah, and then ironically they're just some obviously graveyards
as well as the War of eighteen twelve and the
Stony Creek Battlefield. So Hamilton is situated in southern Ontario,
right at the sort of the corner of Lake Ontario
and very close to Niagara, in the Nagara region where

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you know you cross over into New York State and
Buffalo in Rochester and those areas. So that was a
significant battles that took place in that area. And anytime
you have battles like that, of course you're going to
have the spirits of the departed who have never left.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Right, So why do you think that these spirits tend
to stick around in some of these locations.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well, I mean, it's the standard theories of potentially unresolved
unresolved matters that they are sticking around to deal with.
Maybe some of them don't realize they're dead.

Speaker 11 (26:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Some of the theories, of course, when it comes to
ghosts and spirits, maybe that either they are the spirits
of the departed. The bodies have left this mortal they've
shuffled off this mortal coil, and the spirits haven't yet
left the earthly plane. They're still wandering around. Other theories
involved that it's more of like an impression on a

(26:54):
cathode right tube, where it's not actually the spirit of
a soul of a person, but it's actually an impression
that was so significant that it was left, you know,
imprinted in space and time. And that's what we're seeing
is sort of that the film role over and over

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and over again.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
And so as far as the history here, has there
been some investigation that has been going on in some
of these locations, particularly Yeah, particular group I think here
that has been doing some of this work.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, there's actually a group by the name of Haunted
Hamilton and then there's another ghost walk group and both
of them have gotten involved with various paranormal researchers. There's
a number of amazing paranormal research groups in the southern
Ontario region, and so they do work with the paranormal groups.
They do some excursions and they do a lot of

(27:53):
research that's you know, related to these explorations. And I,
as a writer who's a big chicken, actually I tend
to let the brave people go and do the excursions.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
You're like, I'll go on ye, I'll go on out
after I'm not going in first.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, exactly, exactly same thing. I'll listen to their stories.
I'll go in with a larger group because there's more
likeliness if someone's going to pick us off. It's just
a slightliness that I'm going to get.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
But I don't want to be behind either, because from behind,
right in the middle, right in.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
The middle, you've got to be safe there. I've got
this strategy down when even when I go on ghost
walks and stuff like that, I never want to be
on the edges. I just want to be in the midst,
in the midst of the group.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
So we can spoon together hented House in Hamilton, Ontario,
Mark Leslie, our guests. We gotta pause on dead air.
We will be back to continue this into the pair
of normal all hallows Eves broadcast.

Speaker 8 (29:29):
Into the ear of the prah.

Speaker 9 (29:56):
Fo.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
There we are talking with the author of Haunted Hamilton,
the Ghost of Dundurn Castle, another Steel Town Shivers author
and paramormal researcher, Mark Leslie, on Dead Air twenty twenty
five here on the night before Halloween. So there's these

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locations we've already well established that Mark and I would
not go in first, and we would not be in last.
We would be right there in the middle, which is
a safe space to be. Tell us about some of
these locations that you've personally gone into in the southern
Ontario area.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Well, I have gone on tours of Dundurn Castle and
it was really interesting. When I was writing this book,
they did not want to talk about ghosts at all.
Now they've since loosen.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
It wouldn't be dead Air if we didn't lose Mark.
So hopefully he'll come back. Maybe he got sucked into
the portal or something. Mark, we lost you. I don't
know what happened there, but please rewind and start again.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Sorry about that. Yeah, Dundering Castle is one of the
locations that I actually have gone into, gone on tours
there when I was first researching the book Haunted Hamilton.
They did not want to talk about ghosts at all.
They didn't want to dig into the history. They didn't
let me ask any of those questions. Since loosened up,
but you can you can still wander the grounds at night.

(31:40):
It's open to the public. Going to the Hermitage Ruins
in Ancaster on the outskirts of the city. I've gone
on late night October ghost walks, and I have to
tell you that's one of the most terrifying ghost walks
they've ever gone on, because you're in the wilderness as
you as you.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Park just on the ghost walk in the woods, yeah,
in the.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Woods to get these old ruins of the Hermitage Ruins.
It's on a beautiful hike during the day, but that
night it is disturbing and dark, and I remember being
scared just driving into the parking lot and then uh
taking foggy foggy, oh yeah, the fog, the moon. Even
you can hear a coyote in the distance, like all
of these things are just kind of I was terrified,

(32:28):
actually spooky. Yeah, And it's a it's a beautiful old
what you see as you see these gorgeous ruins gorgeous
during the day, but they're very foreboding and they are
lit up at night as well, but still dark and shadowy.
And you know, the stories of this building that the
building itself has been an apparition to some viewers. There

(32:49):
was an architect, a story of an architect going there
years years ago who was coming up over the hill
and as he was coming up over the hill, he
didn't know what to expect because he wanted to a
look at the brick, you know that he had heard
about the ruins, and he saw a gorgeous, beautiful building.
And then he saw a woman who was the last
woman who had owned that building before she passed away,

(33:10):
standing there and she was smiling at the building. She
turned and looked at him, and then she turned back
to look at the building, and that's when the building
faded and he saw the existing ruins. And so the
building itself is an apparition, which is actually quite fascinating. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Interesting. So as far as locations that might have a
little bit of this residual energy here, individual houses, you
mentioned castles, mansions and that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, one of my favorite stories is what I call
the Tombstone Ghost and It's something that was actually in
the Hamilton newspaper in nineteen seventy one when a gentleman
named Norm Balatti woke up in the middle of the
night heard his wife screaming. She's laying in bed staring
at the ceiling, screaming, and he looked at her. He said,
what's going on? She said, Oh, my god, there was

(34:03):
this woman looked like a hag, was floating above the bed,
just a few feet above her, staring down into her face.
Her mouth was moving, but she wasn't saying anything, and
she disappeared off into the corner of the bedroom. And
Norman was like, yeah, he doesn't believe in ghosts. He's like,
it was probably just a weird dream. And then twenty
eight days later, the same thing happened, but it was him.

(34:23):
He woke up and saw this same woman with a
scraggly hair and the deep sunken eyes, mouthing something, and
when he yelled in panic, she took off into that
same wall. Lo and behold. They brought in an exorcist.
They brought in paranormal researchers from the US. They wanted
to know what was going on in that apartment, and

(34:44):
they found that there was apparently the spirit of a
woman there. They couldn't figure out what she was up to,
but it seemed like she was searching for something, and
she wanted them to go to the wall. Now, this
is an apartment they rented, so it's not like they
were going to start tearing things apart. But the coolest
thing is years later, the Spectator, the Hamilton Spectator, picked

(35:04):
up the story again where this building had been destroyed
and in the wall where the apartment was a tombstone
of this woman. They found that the historic remains led
back to a woman whose two children. It was her
two children who had died young, and the tombstones had
been built into the house. It's almost as if she
was trying to tell them to get there and please,

(35:28):
you know, it's part of the you know, the memory
of my children. Please free them, Free these the tombstone
pieces from the wall and from the ruins. And that
was a story that was very fascinating because it kind
of it was a mystery that was unsolved, and then
years later, when the building was taken down, they actually
solved who they believed that woman was and what she

(35:50):
was trying to indicate to them.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Are there other known ghosts that you maybe have been
able to put a name or a face.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Two.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, there's another one that's actually related to a tombstone
from an old library in Dundas, and it's related to
a tombstone that's from the founders of Dundas, and the
elevator would not function properly no matter how many times
they get repaired people to come in, it would operate
on its own. And that was because Marin, who was

(36:25):
the woman one of the founders of the town, her
name was spelled wrong on the tombstone, and so they
believed it was almost like she was wanting to signal
to them to do something about it. So ironically, there
seemed to be some tombstone tales. And I was very
fortunate to experience that myself when I was there one
Halloween doing a talk at the library and talking about
the story, because as we were upstairs on the second floor,

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the library was closed, it was a special event after hours,
and we're all up in the children's section on the
second floor, and as I'm talking about this, the library
things and everyone's upstairs. There's no staff members downstairs, and
the one librarian who could see the library from where
I was. She just looked at me and she nodded
as if to say, Yep, it's happened again. It just happened.

(37:10):
Now the library just came up all on its own,
or the library the elevator came up all on its own, right.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
So maybe not anything special per se about Hamilton, But
much like other cities, I think maybe paranormal activity is
more common than many want to believe. And in some
cases people don't talk about it. It just happens to be.
The places that we do know a lot about people

(37:37):
are more open to talk or there have been more
reports from these areas. What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, for sure, I mean I think it's like any
other city. It is a city that's founded in a
lot of Canada's history, and so there was a lot
of activity in that region, particularly since it's down close
to the border where most of our population lives. So
you know, the further east you go up, you see
you're going to get deeper and deeper into history. But

(38:03):
you know, in Ontario and Hamilton, you're still going to
get quite a few stories, quite a bit of activity
in the founding of our country and all of the
activities that took place there, so there's no surprise that
there's a lot there's a lot of activity afterwards, after
people have moved or has allegedly moved on or passed away,
that they're still going to be wandering these grounds.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Well, Mark, we really appreciate you coming on on Dead
Air tonight. Again. What's your tell You have other books
as well where you talk about paranormal activity. To give
the audience a few of those titles, and then your
website as well.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, of course, Haunted Hospitals is one that includes US
and Canadian locations, so as Tomes of Terror, which is
Haunted Books, tours and libraries in Canada and the US.
I also have a book of Ottawa, Creepy Capital, Spooky Sudbury,
macab Montreal, and coming next year, I'll have a ghost
Stories of the Great Lakes is coming just in time
for Halloween next year. All right. And my website, Mark Leslie. Oh,

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my website is Mark Leslie dot Ca.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
All right, I'll edit that so we don't cut you off. Hey, Mark,
I don't normally do this, but having seeing that you've
had you've written these other books, and I'm fascinated about
the libraries and the bookstores and the hospitals. Why don't
we just book it right now? You'll come back on
Dead Air twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
That sounds like a plan. I would love that.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Thank you all right much, Mark Leslie Mark Leslie dot c.
His website. We'll have more Dead Air on this night
before Halloween. Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. I'm
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Of this the night before Halloween. I'm Jeremy's got somewhere
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It's the show that you can't mistake. You're listening to.
I know it haunts some people in their dreams. We
continue with our broadcast tonight. June Ahearn joining us, who

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has written a book How to Talk with Spirits, Seances, Mediums,
ghost Tons. Her near death experience in the nineteen seventies
shaped her keen psychic and paranormal abilities, and she's worked
with law enforcement to help solve missing persons and murder cases.
From my understanding, June, welcome to dead Air.

Speaker 10 (42:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
When did you first get involved with your inner psychic abilities?
When did you realize these were a thing? When did
they first manifest? I guess that would be shortly after
you had this near death experience.

Speaker 10 (42:49):
Well, yes, things started to happen and such as I
knew when somebody was coming to see me, or I
knew something about somebody that never told me and I
would mention it to him and they get all freaked out.
So I didn't really understand why it was happening. Now.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Was that as a child or was that later in life?

Speaker 10 (43:07):
No, that was when I had my near death experience.
I was almost twenty years.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Old, okay, And so these abilities then came to be
during adulthood, Yes, early yes, all right, So tell us
about how they first manifest. You said to you were
starting to see things happen.

Speaker 10 (43:31):
Yeah, I began to know things about people without them
telling me. You know, I could have known where they
had been. Like one instance where I was able while
I was home to see what was going on at
a party where by at that time boyfriend was and
I could see everything that was happening and who he
talked to and what was going on. And so I

(43:52):
told him the next day. He was upset. He thought
somebody had told me, And it was just one experience.
I began to just be able to who know what
people we had, what they had experienced, something about their
lives that could even be something they kept secret about.
And I would of course not think anything. I thought
they must have told you, so I would just go
ahead and blurt it out. And then I got interested.

(44:16):
Before my accident, I had had a reading from somebody
who told me that I was going to have an accident,
and a lot of particulars about it, and so I
started looking at the Turot cards. Now they weren't real
popular then, you know, it's not like now toureaut is everywhere,
and so I started reading the trot cards for people

(44:38):
practicing on them, and everything that I would read, I
guess you could call it predictions would come to you know,
come to be, and that's why people wanted to start
coming and seeing me.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Okay, so what was the experience? What was your near
death experience?

Speaker 10 (44:58):
Well, I had a near fatal our automobile accident. I
went through the windshield, but I came back inside and
I tore off a lot of my face to have
plastic surgery. And when I went to the others, you know,
it's kind of straight. You can't really tell people you
went to the other side, like you went to heaven,

(45:19):
they say, and I guess you say, yeah, I went
to heaven. And in there I saw you know that
song by Ricky Nelson, the garden party.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Can't say that I do.

Speaker 10 (45:28):
Okay, Well, that came out later after my near death experience.
But I saw a lot of relatives that I only
knew from looking at photo albums, family photo albums, and
I saw them in this beautiful space and they were
all laughing and chatting. It was like a garden party.
I didn't really remember if I saw them eating anything,

(45:51):
but they were all smiling and very happy. And then
my grandparents, who I did know even though I left
them in Scotland at a young age, they came and
they were both by that time, they were both deceased,
and they were smiling and they just said hello to me.
And then they said, now you have to go back.
It's not your time. You have to go back. And

(46:13):
I didn't want to go back. It was pure bliss.
I'm just I have in all the years of meditating,
I have never reached that state again, of the ultimate joyful,
peaceful bliss. And then I came to in the hospital.
When I came back, I was I was getting ready
to go into surgery.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
So you had you were in this world and you
crossed over seemingly to the other side, and then we're
pulled back. I was rejected, okay, you was rejected. They
didn't want you yet.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
No, at the.

Speaker 10 (46:53):
Pearly Gates, I was rejected, and I came back, and
that's when things began to change. It didn't all happen
at one time, you know, as a as a young
woman ready to go to the clubs and have a
good time. I wasn't somebody that was sitting around, you know,
chanting and doing meditating.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
So I mean, do you believe this happened to you,
that you were rejected because you would come back with
these abilities that you could use to help others.

Speaker 10 (47:25):
That's what it seems. That's how it seemed to be
in time. Yes, it seemed like I didn't understand it
for quite a long time, and I couldn't talk to anybody.
You know, nowadays they have actually a worldwide organization about
near death experiences when people get up and they talk
about it openly. Back then, if you said that, people
really thought you were ready for the looney bin Juny

(47:47):
the looney that we'd say, if I started.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
To talk about Juney the looney Oh god, yeah.

Speaker 10 (47:52):
I mean they were thought I was absolutely belonging to
the state mental ward because it wasn't. In the late
seventies a book out and talked about, you know, near
death experiences, and then I felt like, okay, maybe I
can talk about it. It's really absurd, you know, to
think that could I really have went to the other

(48:12):
side and saw dead people? It was very strange.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Okay, so what was the first time you then used
these abilities to help others?

Speaker 10 (48:19):
Well, I started doing it when I took the class
in Touro, so let's say nineteen seventy three, I finally
found a class being offered. You know, we learned it
was through the learning annex, which has changed. And the
woman teaching the class kept me aside after our class
and said, wow, you're really good at this. So I
really think you ought to be, you know, studying more.

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And so I started, as I said, reading for people.
I would collect all my family and friends and everybody
that would let me read for them. So by nineteen
seventy five people started bringing friends to me, like, oh,
you got to go see this lady. And so I
did my first paid reading of five dollars, and I

(49:03):
just people started coming to me. I never advertised for
my readings in all the years, I never advertised. I
only took referrals. And that's what happened. And then it
began to morph into that. I became more confident to
tell people that there were spirits, their spirits, there are
loved ones that already dead had a message for them.

(49:26):
And so I finally came out of the closet, so
to speak. Probably in the late seventies early eighties, I
started to give more medium messages again, not knowing a
whole lot about it, I had to study it. I
went to a what's called the Spiritualist church, and they're
all over the place and learn about what does it
mean to bring messages forward?

Speaker 3 (49:48):
As they say, from the interpretation of this information. We
will continue on Dead Air tonight with June Ahearn. I'm Jeremy.
He's gotten somewhere between the paranormal and the.

Speaker 8 (50:40):
Into the Pharah normal, Pharrah.

Speaker 12 (50:44):
Can you see me? Hello?

Speaker 11 (50:50):
Can you find me?

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Can you find me? Make me?

Speaker 8 (50:56):
I'm here? I love.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Street Dude, I'm Jeremy Scott on the night before Halloween
talking with you and Ahearn How to Talk with spirits.
Sands's medium's Ghost Hunts is the name of her book.
She had a near death experience which opened up these

(51:23):
abilities for her to seemingly communicate with those on the
other side, and she was telling us how she first
came to receive these messages and communicate. I guess with
friends and family members first and then the general public.
So what sort of stuff has come through, June?

Speaker 10 (51:41):
Well, all kinds of information. You know, most people want
to know. Are the dead thinking of me? Are they
out of pain? Are they happy? Or if they feel
have they forgiven me? Did I do enough for them?
These are really general like questions that people want to know.
You know, let me just say that I have always

(52:02):
supported that people can do this on their own. I've
not really support that you have to go to somebody
else that has this ability. The reasons that we do
go and I go is because we're emotionally. Usually we
get too emotional, so it keeps us from having clear communication.
The kind of things that people want to know are

(52:23):
as I said, very general. They usually want to know
something that would identify that this is really the spirit talking.
So I don't know how many times I've said to people, oh,
this person has kind of brown eyes that, and people
will say, oh, let me think, are they brown eyes
or they hazel eyes? You know, they go into the
You have to be exact of what you're talking about.

(52:46):
You could say things like, well, they're wearing they're wearing
an army outfit, they've got a hat on, they've got
a uniform on. Or the one person I said, oh,
this is your grandmother, but she's wearing red heels and
red lipstick. He says, all that's it's not my grandmother.
Then he had to come back and tell me, oh, yeah,
here's a picture my mother gave. My grandmother used to
wear this and that. So people, uh, people ask all

(53:10):
kinds of questions that how is it on the other side,
what are you doing now? I think what I've come
aware of over the years is that we want to
communicate with spirits, but we also want to give them
time to do whatever they're doing on the other side.

Speaker 8 (53:27):
I do.

Speaker 10 (53:28):
I've never advocated that we should stay in touch with
with the spirit over and over again, which made me
very unpopular by the way, on another show.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Oh, it was controversial what you had to say.

Speaker 10 (53:41):
Very controversial. Yeah, because well, people think that you should.
Oh I want to I want to keep my mother
with me forever. I want to keep my very sadly
people with their children. I get it. I am certainly
not in any way making any humor about that. But
when we go to the other if you believe in that,

(54:02):
if you believe there's a heaven or nirvana, however you believe,
you're supposed to want rest from this world. I mean
that's the idea, like, how good I don't have to
put up with this world? And people say things like, well,
I'm not talking to my brother. I really hate him.
What do you think I should do?

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Mom?

Speaker 10 (54:19):
Should I just tell him off?

Speaker 1 (54:20):
On?

Speaker 10 (54:20):
You're on the other side, they're saying, listen, why don't
you guys figure that out? I'm resting right now. People
are funny. We humans are funny. So what I wanted
to say is how we commune? Why was it controversy?
It was controversy because this was a show about communicating
with the dead, and that people believe you should be

(54:42):
able to do it all the time and anytime you
want that, spirits are going to come through and they're
going to talk to you. And that has not been
my experience, and nor is it my belief that we
should stay in constant communication with the dead.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
These are selective experiences, right, yes, Okay, talk about the
veryious entities that you've come in contact with. Uh, bad ones?

Speaker 10 (55:05):
Right, yeah, outside of the good ones. Well, you know
I do. I'm the paranormal investigator with a particular show
that's on YouTube and Amazon, and I've always said, don't
take me anywhere where you absolutely know it's got a
lot of negative entities around it. Well, of course, then

(55:26):
I went to those places and some of the ones,
especially when you come to a murder and you're communicating
with the person on the other side that has been murdered,
I understand that they want judge, you know, they want
to be justified for giving you information, and they begin

(55:46):
to show you how they were murdered. That's mostly very unpleasant.
Let me tell you, you do not want to go
through that experience of being in a position where not
only you're perhaps murder take place, but you begin to
feel the murder. You begin to feel yourself as the victim.

(56:07):
And that has happened to me only very few times,
and I didn't like it at all, you know, so
I kind of got out of working with the police
because it was just too hard for me. And the
other thing is meeting entities, and this is something that
can't happen. Is you meet entities that post as the
person you want to be, but they're very negative and dark,

(56:29):
and they can cause things like nightmares or just feeling
low in energy. We call them the vampires. They just
think it, yeah, you call it. They're like the vampire.
Well they don't really. They suck your life if they
can get into your being, and they want to take

(56:51):
over and live through you in some way. And this
usually only happens to people that either they're they're sick,
they're frail, they're fearful. Fearful people really opened up that channel.
That's why I tell people, don't be so afraid of
all this. You got to deal with it in a
logical like way. And so when I went to do

(57:12):
this one investigation in Hayward, California, in a factory, a
big warehouse, I met entities there that I had never
before experienced, so negative that they attacked me and I
had to I almost fainted. Now I am a pretty
party person, I'm a pretty good medium. Not a lot

(57:34):
scares me. I almost fainted. The camera people had to
hold me up, you know. I had to get out
of there. It was absolutely diabotic bolicle, and not just
that I had experienced it. The reason they called a
paranormal investigation is the workers have been experiencing this really
negative entity. But they didn't tell me that before I went.

(57:56):
Because I never want to know anything. I always say
to the pucer, do not tell me anything until the
night where I'm going. Just give me the address. That's
about the extent where I know. So I didn't know
how badly haunted this was with vampire negative entities. That

(58:17):
was That was one place. So there's different kind of entities.
And I don't know if you've ever heard of the
hat Man. The dark entities. Yeah, there's all. And then
I say to myself, is it we uh manifested from
our own fear and belief. I don't have a lot

(58:40):
of fear and belief in dark forces. I think that
I don't have to have that, you know, I think
the dark forces are what we see living on planet
Earth through human beings. But I have to say, even
to my surprise, because I like to keep things real,
I've experience really evil entities and it does exist, unfortunately,

(59:09):
and I don't like saying it, but it does exist.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Yeah, there are both sides. There are good spirits and
there are bad spirits and certain things that we do
open ourselves up to having that contact.

Speaker 10 (59:23):
Right absolutely. That's why I'm not a big fan of me.
You know, I write about this in my book. You know,
this is not a game when you really start connecting
with spirits, you know, really there traditionally has been a
ritual around it. You only go to certain people that
prepare themselves to meditate, to do a ritual around it.

(59:44):
And most people don't want to do that. They just
want to go out and have fun, go to the
Great Yard. No boy, you know, have a good time.
But I think it's fun. I've done it myself when
I was young and teenagers. We went out there and
did it ourselves. But you have to ask yourself, why
do you want to do this? You know, are you
really ready to open that door?

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Are June? What's your website?

Speaker 10 (01:00:07):
My website is June A h e r. And junaheerd
dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
All right, and the book how to Talk with Spirits, Sances, Mediums,
ghost Sounds. We appreciate you coming on. Thank you Air
all right, more to come into the pair of normal
I'm Jeremy Scott.

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
Welcome Air abnormals do listening to the Dead Air. Happy Halloween.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Well, two of my favorite seasons collide. It's Halloween and Christmas.
In the same song from Kyle.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Counts, do you think that Sanna.

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
Celebrates Halloween?

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Do you think that Sanna.

Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
Celebrates hallowe? Does he watch scary movies or.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
They give him bad dreams?

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
Floody dress like the Grinch to go trip Go Tree
do you think that Sanna celebrates Halloween.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
Dead air?

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
I am Jeremy Scount. It is the night before Halloween,
and you know what this is all about, telling scary stories,
of course, and I wanted to share one that was
actually submitted by a sweet old lady who listens to
the program, and she was okay with me calling her

(01:01:58):
a sweet old lady. I think she's sweet and she
doesn't mind giving us her age. She's seventy five. Her
name is Ellie, and she sends in this I still
sleep on my side of the bed, the right side.
Though Henry's been gone twelve years. This Christmas Eve, it

(01:02:18):
feels wrong to take his half. Two nights ago, just
after midnight, I woke to the smell of tobacco, that sweet,
earthy pipe blend he used to favor. It shouldn't have
been there. I'd given his pipes to our grandson years ago,
and I haven't smoked a day in my life. At first,
I thought it was my mind playing tricks again, but

(01:02:41):
then came the sound of the click of his lighter.
I sat up, heart pounding, and that's when I saw him.
He was standing by the window, looking out. He was
wearing that old flannel robe I'd buried him in. Then
he turned, pointed toward he his old chair in the corner.

(01:03:02):
On the seat lay his wedding band, the one I'd
lost a month after the funeral. When I looked back,
he was gone. I keep the ring on the nightstand now.
Every night, before I turn out the light, I whisper
good night, Henry, and every so often I swear I
hear his voice answer back good night. Elli appreciate that contribution.

(01:03:26):
Wanted to share these stories that we pillaged from the internet,
both from Mexico. A late night movie in MEXICALI ended
with more than just the closing credits. After the showing,
an employee walked into the empty theater lobby and heard
the chilling sound of someone crying. Yeah, just like that filming.

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As he searched for this source, his camera swept past
a pillar and for a split second, a head seemed
to peer out at him before vanishing. The sound of
a galloping horse. Yeah, that is unmistakable. But imagine if
there wasn't anything there, at least anything that you could

(01:04:11):
see before dawn. In a town in Mexico, people heard
just that, the sound of who's racing? Down the street.
They checked their cameras and saw a dark figure on
horseback gliding through the night and disappearing without a trace.
There's speculation that this could be El Charo Negro or
the Black Horseman, the spirit said to ride the roads

(01:04:32):
after midnight searching for souls who have lost their way.
They say, if you ever hear galloping behind you when
the streets are empty, don't look back. I think that's
good advice, especially on a night like tonight. On Dead Air.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Pair Abnormal News, I'm George Henry. A bright green fireball
lit up the skies over Moscow, Russia this week. Shows
the glowing object streaking across the sky with a long,
luminous tail before disappearing from sight. Witnesses in multiple cities
reported seeing the flash. The Russian Academy of Sciences confirms

(01:05:14):
the fireball was most likely space debris burning up in
Earth's atmosphere. NASA data shows that more than two hundred
thousand pounds of cosmic dust and debris enters the atmosphere daily,
most of which evaporates before reaching the ground. A sonic boom,
likely from a meteor, shook the community of Bloomington, Indiana,

(01:05:37):
last weekend with reports of a fireball coming in from
several states. People in Indiana as well as Kentucky, Michigan,
and Ohio reported their sightings to the American meteor Society.
Here paranormal news every hour on into the pair abnormal.

Speaker 8 (01:06:11):
I am right, believe he.

Speaker 6 (01:06:25):
Don't be scared. I just want to play a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Game with you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Dead hair, go into the pair of normal this night
before Halloween. I am Jeremy Scott, somewhere between the pair
of normal and the abnormal. As we've talked about, believe
these are common experiences. And we say common because it's
about but six out of ten people or so. I mean,

(01:07:02):
that's according to a brand new pull out just in
time for Halloween that says sixty percent of Americans say
that they've had a paranormal experience. Now, this could be
feeling or sensing an unknown energy, maybe smelling an unexplained odor,

(01:07:25):
hearing an unexplained sound or music, hearing the voice of
someone who wasn't there, and feeling an unexplained change in temperature. Yeah,
all this stuff really does go on, friends, and it's
twenty four seven, three sixty five. It's not just on Halloween,
but it's always good to talk about it, of course,

(01:07:48):
and to continue our Dead Air Night festivities. Tonight, we
welcome Aaron Taylor, who is a passionate explorer of the unknown,
with the flair for storytelling and a keen understanding of
the human With a lifelong thirst for the paranormal. She
began formally investigating haunted locations across the country in twenty thirteen.

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Her works include Haunted Leadville, Strange Colorado, Unfinished Business, and
Sleeping among Spirits. We welcome her to the program tonight.
Erin So good to have you here, Thanks for having me.
I'm glad to be here, absolutely so. Where is Leadville, Colorado?
On the map?

Speaker 11 (01:08:29):
Ladville is here in my home state of Colorado is
up in the Rocky Mountains about ten thousand feet above
sea level.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
All right, It is a Wild West town, was a
Wild West town known for mining back in the days, correct,
and so all sorts of mining activities went on there.
Would we say that some of those facilities carry a
haunted past, Oh for sure.

Speaker 11 (01:09:02):
There's definitely, you know, really a very rich history in there,
from between the silver mining to the wild West, where
there was some shenanigans that seemed to just still stick around. Yeah,
there's a lot of past and present of something's going

(01:09:23):
on up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
There, shenanigans of what kind anything we could probably imagine
happening back during the during those days probably did go on,
and maybe there might be some remnants of that sticking around.

Speaker 10 (01:09:40):
Correct, there was a road.

Speaker 11 (01:09:42):
Or a section of town in Leadville, State Street or
Chestnut that basically a man had to have a weapon
walking down the street for the mere chance that he
might get shot. It was somewhere that you didn't want
to be after dark. It was also the place where
there was el a hall and the cribs, and you know,

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it was, no nonsense, a tough place, and a lot
of that doesn't stand now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
And that was Is that the focus of some of
the paranormal activity that is going on is where that
activity once took place.

Speaker 11 (01:10:22):
Yeah, it's very possible that the past history, you know,
did it go into the you know, into the ground,
into the materials that built the new houses and neighborhoods
in those areas. That It's hard to say because ghost
stories actually started as far back in the beginning of
the mining town and they seem to just translate throughout

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the current times. I apologize if you hear my cat
by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Oh no, I can't hear your cat whatsoever. And mine
likes to make an appearance from time to two as well.
It likes to get up on the microphone and leave
its hair and whiskers all over. And then as I'm
you know, starting to actually utilize the microphone, which is
what I do, some of those tend to go up
in my nose and it gets really really distracting from

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time to time when you're having to fish cat hairs
and whiskers out of your nose because they got too
close to the microphone. But yeah, no, the kitty hasn't
made an appearance tonight. I will say though, that the
wife I went in out during the break and I'm
just going to mention this because we were talking about
kiddies and it got me thinking about our household I
mentioned earlier in the program. You know, you could be

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listening to this show next to a candle, but make
sure you blow it out right before you go to bed,
just generally a good idea. I walked into the room
and my wife is sound asleep and there's two candles
that are just sitting there going so I blew both
of them out during the break. Just wanted the audience

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to know that all right back to Leadville, Colorado, haunted
former wild West mining town. There were things like gunfights
that took place during the street and may have still
played out the echoes of which along after those took place.

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Is that true?

Speaker 11 (01:12:17):
Correct? Actually, as a fun fact, John Doc Holliday Tombstone Fame,
he had his last shootout on the main street of Leadhill.
Now the man did not die, but it was the
last shooting that he had done before he moved on

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to Glenwood where he died.

Speaker 10 (01:12:40):
But yes, stuels.

Speaker 11 (01:12:41):
Were common, Like I was saying that many men and
women too would carry their own weapons in the event
that they crossed the wrong person.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Were there seances that also took place back in those days.

Speaker 11 (01:13:00):
Absolutely absolutely they had. Spiritualism definitely came in made its
way where they had known mediums come in from all over.
One of them was actually a consultant to Queen Victoria.
There are a couple who were found to be Sham's.

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There are a couple that even the newspapers were like,
I don't even know that that person might be legit.
And I was actually in a building just on Saturday
where the Leadville Occult Society used to convene, and the
whisperings is that it still exists up there, But I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
That's the thing. You never know. It could be with us.
They could be with us. The remnants of days gone
by could be with us at all hours of the
day and night, all around us. How's that for a thought.
We're talking with Aaron Taylor, author of Haunted Leadville, her website,

(01:14:04):
Aaron Taylor, author dot com, and Aaron is E R
I N. Dead Air continues somewhere between the paranormal and
the abnormal. I'm Jeremy Scott.

Speaker 8 (01:14:31):
Into the paranormal dead Air and air Air.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
My goodness, time is a flown by tonight on night
one of Dead Air, night before Halloween, and we're talking
with Aaron Taylor, author of Haunted Leadville, her website, Aaron Taylor,
author dot com, about Leadville, Colorado, and about some of
the haunted locations throughout this what used to be a

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mining town hosted seances, there were gun battles, there were
lots of maybe illegal activities, we could say, Aaron, that
took place, Oh yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:15:31):
Absolutely more or less. Robin murdering, illegal hangings that was
a big fun pastime for people to watch in town,
and thievery bad gambling, prostitution of the like as well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
So what are some of the locations that have a
perception in Leadville of being haunted that we haven't talked
about yet?

Speaker 11 (01:16:01):
Sure, So one of the big ones is the Delaware
Hotel and it is still an active hotel. It was
built in the height of the Leadville silver mining days,
so they were Leadville was a very big silver boomtown,
and so it was built to basically influence the affluent

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the wealthy to come into Leadville and a place for
it to stay. And it is the only building early
hotel in Leadville that was able that has been still
active in active business since its inception. And so there
are multitude spirits that are set to wander throughout its halls.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
And as I was saying earlier, there's this perception that
certain places are more haunted than others. Would you agree
that just there's a lot of this activity around us,
some places just experience it more than others or get
reported and noticed, say more than others.

Speaker 11 (01:17:08):
Absolutely, And there's a lot of those theories between like
is it the type of the place, is it the
type of the person where you know, some people may
be more sensitive or then there's others who are turned
off and they'll say, Nope, I didn't have any thing
haunted there. I've investigated those places elsewhere. But you know,

(01:17:29):
why does energy, you know, energy manifest as it is
that definitely to go back to your.

Speaker 10 (01:17:35):
Question, is it can vary?

Speaker 8 (01:17:38):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Okay, So outside of Leadville, have you explored some of
the other towns and cities that maybe have some of
this activity as well.

Speaker 11 (01:17:49):
Yes. So in my books Strange Colorado, Strang is volume
one and volume two, and actually volume three will be
out probably within the next month.

Speaker 10 (01:18:00):
I've had.

Speaker 11 (01:18:02):
Multiple adventures investigations all throughout just the state of Colorado,
where I'm going over urban legends and lore and investigating
them for myself. That's actually how I stumbled upon Ladville,
was going up there to investigate a particular person, and
then I just fell in love.

Speaker 8 (01:18:22):
With the town.

Speaker 11 (01:18:24):
Outside of Colorado, I've been several states.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
But going into haunted locations is something you enjoy. Absolutely,
has anything ever sent you running and screaming, vowing never
to return, No.

Speaker 11 (01:18:43):
No, because that has always been one of My pet
peeves the running away from activity. And I've had some
activities where I can feel fear or is it like
anxious some thing on me, but I just sit there.
I'm like, well, this is the whole reason that I
run into a dark building for. And you know, just

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to have that, you know, that excitement, that feeling, because
it really doesn't happen a whole lot. And as far
as like to never do it again, I don't ever
want to say never, but you know, I'd love to
be able to do this until Like I'm, you know,
a ninety year old woman, and so I might just

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be different from some people.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
If you're ninety years old and still rocking a way
doing this ghost hunting, more power to you. Yeah, Aaron,
what's your website and tell us about your your other
collection of books.

Speaker 11 (01:19:42):
Yes, so my website is Aaron Taylor author dot com.
Besides Strange Colorado the volume one, two and soon to
be released three, I have three other books. My It
was my very first book, Sleeping among Spirits, sort of
documentaries in fifteen different haunted locations over the course of

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twenty nights, and then I had two books called Unfinished
Business and the second one is number two, where they
are probably the only books out there that are about
haunted restrooms and bathrooms, because yeah, no one ever wants
to have a ghost in those places.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Yeah, haunted restrooms and bathrooms maybe a location that we
don't think about, but we should because individuals, as I've
mentioned before, go to those areas when they're not feeling
well and maybe that's where they spend their end of days.

(01:20:44):
So yeah, there's bound to be a haunted bathroom or two,
or ten or twenty or hundreds or thousands of these
all across the country, wouldn't you say?

Speaker 10 (01:20:55):
Yes? After I wrote the.

Speaker 11 (01:20:57):
First one, I had an outpouring from people you heard
about this one or this one? And I still get
them from time to time where it's, oh, look there's
another haunted bathroom and it is again it's a place
we all know and we all go, and it's just

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no one wants to talk about it. But that's yeah,
goes Thurn there too.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
All right, Well we'll end it there. There's so much
more that we could discuss, but we will keep it
clean there. Aaron, We really appreciate you coming onto the
program and spending a few moments with us here on
dead air.

Speaker 10 (01:21:35):
Yes, thank you so much.

Speaker 11 (01:21:36):
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
A art that's Aaron Taylor. But it does make me wonder,
like what would be the most haunted part of the bathroom,
and that would have to be well, the toilet, right,
I mean, I suppose the I suppose anywhere could be haunted,
but that's where we spend the most time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Am I wrong about that? Am I speaking out of turn?

Speaker 10 (01:22:01):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
I think that is accurate. I think that's where we
spend the most time in the bathroom, I mean women,
and maybe right in front of the mirror. Just don't
stare too hard, because you know there's that weird thing
that happens when you stare into the mirror too long. Actually,
there was a movie called what was it Mirrors? Yeah,
with Keifer Sutherland. Actually, but there is a phenomenon there,

(01:22:24):
So don't stare. I tried to go get the wife
to come in here and so I could scold her
about the leaving the candles out, and she is still
song logs. So maybe tomorrow I'll hauler in here and
I say, hey, babe, you know, if you had listened
to the beginning of the show, you would have heard
me talking about don't leave the candles out as you

(01:22:45):
drift away from the program and not off. You know
what I mentioned the kinds of paranormal phenomena that people
report experiencing. That was by no means an exhaustive list.
I mean it goes on. You could see a demon,
maybe mist or smoke that is common in paranormal experiences,
or you see an angel. What about doors opening and

(01:23:08):
closing on their own, or any object really seeing it
move without explanation, or unexplained orbs of light maybe lights
or other devices turning on and off without explanation. We've
actually had our TV do that once or twice here

(01:23:31):
in the Scott household. Maybe the unexplained change in temperature
that we've discussed, hearing the voice of someone who's not there,
unexplained sounds and music, unexplained odors, a presence or energy
in the list really does go on. People are experiencing

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a wide variety of these paranormal phenomena that just don't
seem very right. Tomorrow night i'll the program. We shall
gather once again for night two of Dead Air. It
is more of the same, but different. We'll have a
different guest, different stories, different music, but I'll be here

(01:24:16):
the same great host and the same station that you
hear this on. The program I hear this program on
is the place to join us tomorrow night, on Halloween Night,
for Night two of Dead Air, And in the meantime,
from the cold dark depths of a secret dungeon somewhere
deep in the remote Pacific Northwest, I'm Jeremy Scott. We'll

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talk to you on all Hallow's Eve. Good night, and
God bless

Speaker 10 (01:25:05):
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