Ep. #858: Marc D’Antonio – Skywatching 3I/ATLAS

New images of an interstellar object that’s passing through our solar system have been released by NASA while the agency is downplaying speculation that 3I/ATLAS is anything more than a comet. Jeremy welcomes Marc D’Antonio to discuss why this object is almost certainly natural in origin, the unique scientific opportunities it presents, and how we can best search for celestial bodies.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five four three two one.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
You interrupt our program to bring you this important message.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
A confirmed attack is taking place against the United States.
Aliens from an unknown location have been reported in multiple states.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
We are controlling transmission.

Speaker 5 (00:24):
There is another world that awaits, far beyond what we
can see and feel, of a place that's anything but ordinate.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Would you believe.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I nothing.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Step into the song?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
How the first time?

Speaker 6 (00:41):
No expiracies and cover to the pair red not a
week ago with charity stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, three Ialysts is not an alien probe. No, it's
a comet. Just ask NASA.

Speaker 7 (01:06):
This object is a comet. It looks and behaves like
a comet, and has and all evidence points to it
being a comet. But this one came from outside the
Solar system, which makes it fascinating, exciting and scientifically very important.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, I'm glad that one is settled and we can
move on with our lives. Oh wait, this object is
going to come back around in about a month, and
some are speculating that that is when we will see
it reveal itself as an alien probe. It just continues
to be the gift that keeps on giving. Three IAT

(01:42):
lists the interstellar comet and only the third interstellar visitor,
which means an object from outside our solar system to
come and visit us for length of time. The two
previous ones really did not give us much of an
opportunity to view them or collect much data. We were
more prepared this time, and that is allowed spacecraft telescopes,
those who do this for a living, and those who

(02:03):
are amateurs to get in place to image this, and
that is exactly what NASA released this week. They released
images that were delayed for about seven weeks due to
the government shutdown. We knew that there were images out there.
We were hoping somebody could upload them to a website,
even on their own time. Maybe they're restricted from doing that.

(02:27):
I don't know. I know some government workers were working
still despite not getting paid. But NASA spacecraft were certainly
in position to catch these images, which were released at
a press conference this week.

Speaker 8 (02:43):
Everything we're learning about the comment is possible because of
the distribution of all of the different instruments on our
spacecraft with different capabilities, and I'll note that for some
of them, we've even pushed our scientific instruments beyond their
normal capabilities, beyond the things that were designed to achieve
to allow us to capture this amazing glimpse at this

(03:06):
interstellar traveler.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
They certainly wanted to also put to rest rumors that
the object might be an alien spacecraft. In case you
hadn't heard, a professor by the name of Avi Lobe
had made that claim, and we'll get to that, and
that was getting a lot of attention. The fact that
the agency went dark during the government shutdown didn't help.

(03:29):
They explained that the recent silence was due to the
US government shutdown and that the comets position behind the
Sun was not a cover up. It was that the
government shutdown was happening and it just happened to be
at the same time that three Eye Atlas was going
behind the Sun. It was not a cover up, and
they have reaffirmed that all evidence shows three I Atlas

(03:51):
is a natural comet and it couldn't be anything else
like an alien probe.

Speaker 7 (03:59):
A little bit more about the rumors. I think it's
I think it's very important, and I'm actually very excited
that a lot of the world was speculating about the
comment while NASA was in a period where we couldn't
speak about it due to the recent government shutdown. I
think what I what I what I took away from
that whole experience and watching that as we were working
during the shutdown, was just how interested and how excited

(04:22):
people were about the possibility of what this comment could be.
There was a lot of speculation about what it could be.
But what I what I think is really awesome is
that folks were interested in this incredible finding that we
observed and that we have that kind that came from
the heavens, and what that what that means, what it
could mean about how magical the universe could be. It
expanded people's brains to think about what how magical the

(04:44):
universe could be. And I'll tell you here at NASA
we think that every day, and so it's really great
that we you were able to join us while we
were you know, not able to comment during because of
the shutdown constraints about what that comment is. Because we
think the universe is a magical place, and we spend
the ear tre measure and we spend all of our
time trying to make sure that we explore that and
share with you as much as we can. In fact,

(05:06):
we want very much to find signs of life in
the universe.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Of course, that you might chuckle when you hear that,
would NASA really let us know? Are they really open
to their being life somewhere else out there in the universe.
I'm not among the crowd that thinks that every time
NASA talks they're lying to us. I will admit that
they have well fabricated things before, lost evidence not been forthcoming.

(05:34):
So when some say, well, if NASA knew about a signal,
would they tell us? If this was an alien probe,
would they tell us? Or are they hoping that by
saying this is just a comment that by the time
mid mid December rather rolls around, people are no longer
interested in this, and they're just focused on Christmas and

(05:54):
the hustle and bustle of the season, and they forget
about this. So there's a generally people out there who
are never going to take anything NASA says as a
being fact. And so even with these images and even
with the claims that this is just a comet, that
will never be good enough for some, And I can

(06:15):
accept that. I'm not one of those that believes that
everything NASA says is a lie. I believe that they
certainly have been caught with their pants down before, But
sometimes liars actually tell the truth if it benefits them.
These new images come from multiple spacecraft, including close range
shots from the Mars Reconnaissance orbiter and ultraviolet views from Maven,

(06:40):
along with observations from Stereo Psyche and Lucy, to name
a few. The debunkers the conspiracy theorists would say, we'll
see it in that seven weeks. They've doctored the images. Well,
NASA always doctor's images. They don't give them to us raw.
They never have, so I'll give you that one. But
that's like a no brain because they do that with

(07:01):
every single one of these images, and that they had
all this time to release them, and they were just
pontificating because they were trying to give us an explanation
that might cover up the obvious, which is that this
is an alien spacecraft. I'm trying to see it from
both sides here. But we didn't need to wait for
NASA to release them because there were several that were

(07:23):
taken even before the shutdown. As we reported on in
the news, a European space agency released some Also amateur
astronomers captured images of three I Atlas. Recently, there was
a new image brought to light came out just days
before NASA held this press conference, captured by astro photographer

(07:45):
Sitoru Marata of New Mexico, showing three eye atlas passing
in front of a distant galaxy, revealing its bright green
coma long eyeon tail, shorter dust anti tail, and several
outgassing jets. It was taken with a telescope. Really a
once in a lifetime discovery. You never know when you

(08:07):
might have the opportunity to capture one of these, but
hopefully there will be more opportunities over the coming days, weeks,
and months now that it is not going away from
Earth and behind the Sun, but will actually be coming,
oh within about one hundred and seventy million miles of Earth.

(08:29):
I mean that's still relatively far away. But these instruments
have some pretty sick capabilities. I will say these days.
These are not nineteen seventies or eighties or nineties technology.
I mean this is twenty first century technology, and you
would be amazed what you can capture even from vast

(08:52):
distances across space and time. So I'm looking forward to
additional images that will come out hopleus. It won't take
so long if they're captured by NASA instruments, and again
we'll see other agencies, the European Space Agency and amateur
astronomers and others at observatories, members of universities, faculty, that

(09:16):
sort of thing, who hopefully will be releasing images of
their own as well. Tonight we're talking we'll be talking
about three iyatlists with Mark Dantonio from Mouffon, who's the
photo and video analyst, so we'll get his opinion of
what he thinks about these images that have been released
by NASA of three iatlests somewhere between the paranormal and

(09:39):
the abnormal. I'm Jeremy Scott.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Into the pair of normal.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Par I'm Jeremy Scott into the pair of normal. Our
website pairbnormal radio dot com we've got an article up

(10:16):
about these three i AT lists images. You'll find that
in the news section and you can share if you
find any value in that. We post news updates on
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free option and you'll get those updates as we send
out news, so in that article you can see the images. Also,
we link to the NASA press conference in case you
want to watch the thing. It's about an hour, includes
introductory statements from four officials, and then they proceed into
questions and of course reveal several images during that period.

(11:01):
This is exciting, though it's going to be taking place
over the next month or so, because we don't get
this opportunity very often. As I mentioned, this is only
the third interstellar object to ever come through our solar
system that we've been able to track. Now, it is
very likely that there have been many more of these

(11:23):
objects over time that we haven't been able to track.
We didn't have the techno technology in which to do so,
the know how, and certainly there weren't as many citizen
scientists as there are now all across the world with
the telescopes and other gear that are trained to the
skies to catch these objects as they usually unexpectedly come

(11:49):
through and then are discovered and hopefully we can then
track them, which is what is going to be happening
over the coming weeks. I said months earlier, we really
don't have months, we have days and weeks, and after
that it is on to Jupiter, and then it is
seemingly not going to return in our lifetime. As we

(12:12):
understand things now, researchers have sharply improved their predictions of
where three I Atlas will go as it heads out
of the Solar System, and they've been able to do
so by analyzing data from the close flyby with Mars

(12:32):
that happened back on October third. There were images that
were released from the European Space Agency's Exo Mars Trace
gas orbner, and using those images, scientists were able to
refine the object's trajectory by a factor of ten. So

(12:54):
these are the most precise measurements yet and it's enabled
astronomy to target future observations more effectively based on what
they've done here. The Mars based observations mark the first
time that data from a planetary orbiter has been accepted

(13:16):
into the IAU's Minor Planet Center. IAU being the International
Astronomical Union for those who are not familiar. So this
is quite a feat from what I understand, because imaging
space objects from such orbiters is exceptionally difficult, I am told.

(13:39):
But now the comet is going to make its closest
approach to Earth as mentioned, about one hundred and seventy
million miles. It will come with us, So I mean
it's not a close pass. We are not at any
sort of risk of their being some collision. Later in
the program, actually we'll have some news that you might

(14:02):
want to hear from George Henry about exactly where one
of these collisions might happen. As we predict, there will
be more interstellar objects discovered over time. Those are likely
to take some sort of pass path through the Solar
System by several planets and other astronomical bodies, and those

(14:25):
will be tracked as well, just like three I Atlas
is after that three iyatlases onto Jupiter. It will pass
by the planet in March of twenty twenty six at
what I understand is about thirty three million miles. Compare

(14:48):
that to its trip around Mars. It came within about
eighteen and a half million miles and then within about
one hundred and thirty million miles of the Sun. After
it goes past Jupiter, it will leave the Solar System
and never to return as we understand it, So the

(15:11):
time is now to make these observations. It will be interesting,
what a instruments which spacecraft capture further imagery and what
those will reveal. If you ask Professor Avi Lobe, Harvard
astronomer who we have talked to, so not putting words
in his mouth, I'm sure he would be wanting additional

(15:33):
images that prove that this could possibly not be a
familiar comment. The astronomer who has floated the idea of
being an alien probe actually did so on our show
not too long after the discovery of three I at lis.
He of course, has pushed back on his blog, criticizing

(15:56):
NASA for emphasizing familiar behavior instead of acknowledging uncertainties and
unresolved anomalies surrounding three I Atlas. He argues that NASA
should remain open to unconventional interpretations and consider some of
the amateur imagery that has been collected. He also urges

(16:21):
NASA to search for any accompanying objects or fragments, and
calls for a more evidence driven approach to studying interstellar visitors.
So he points out the anomalies such as its unusually
large mass the improbable alignment of its trajectory with the

(16:42):
Solar System's planetary plane. In fact, he outlines about to
twelve different anomalies that, in his opinion, point towards some
artificial origin. I will say. Auviy Loeb on the show
says he thinks that we should do this with all

(17:02):
interstellar objects that being proposed, that there is some sort
of extraterrestrial origin, not because it necessarily is the truth,
but that we should consider an alternative hypothesis. And in
that case I agree with him. He's kind of, you know,

(17:22):
sticking to his guns here, but he also did say that, look,
it's overwhelmingly going to be a comment, but let's just
consider the possibilities that it is not. He has been very,
very vocal on this, and there's no doubt that he's
actually who NASA was referring to when they addressed the rumors.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
A little bit more about the rumors, I think it's
I think it's very important, and I'm actually very excited
that a lot of the world was speculating about the
comment while NASA was in a period where we couldn't
speak about it due to the recent garment down.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Well, NASA, it was at least excited that people were
speculating that this might not be a natural object. Like
I say, whether it happens to be a comet or not.
And it's I'm going to say it's probably a comet.
I mean, unless it does something spectacular in the next
month and with all eyes on it come around December nineteenth,

(18:22):
it puts on a show. Yet, probably is a comet,
and we'll and we'll stick with that. NASA certainly isn't
going to speculate whether it has any sort of artificial origin.
They're going to stick to the mainstream point of view,
which is that is a natural comet and it's behaving
as a natural comment even though it does some strange

(18:43):
things at times, it is still within the realm of
possibility for normal commentary activity. As they say, well, tonight
we're going to be discussing this at much more detail
than we have thus far. With the photo and video
and list for Moufon. Mark Antonio has looked at a
lot of videos and pictures of all sorts of objects

(19:09):
in the sky, probably thousands, tens of thousands of hours.
We'll have to ask him how long he's been looking
at the sky through sophisticated or maybe not so sophisticated equipment,
because you can use both and it would surprise you
maybe how clear you can capture and what you can

(19:29):
see with some of this technology. Tonight on the program
Sky Watching, three Eye Atlas into the pair of Normal,
I'm Jeremy Scout.

Speaker 8 (19:47):
Three IYE Atlas is an interstellar comics discovered on July first,
twenty twenty five by the NASA funded Atlas Observatory in Chila.

Speaker 9 (19:55):
Three iye Atlas, that mysterious interstellar object racing through our
solar system.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Right now, it looks as if it's a natural comment.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
It looks like a comment, acts.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Like a comment.

Speaker 9 (20:07):
Maybe it is a common I.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Suggest that whoever says this is their familiar comment, it
would write a paper explaining all of these anomalies.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
From the cold dark depths of a secret dungeon somewhere
deep in the remote Pacific, the Northwest. You're traveling into
your part north with Jeraldy Scott.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Maybe there's some of you like me out there. We
get it really kind of geek out when we see
some of this NASA imagery. You do get a fair
amount of criticism as well. That comes along with it.
That's a I guess to be expected anytime NASA releases
anything and people are wondering why it took so long,
but here we are. The images have been released of

(20:57):
the interstellar object three I Atlas. Maybe not so much
of a debate anymore about whether this is a comment.
I think NASA settled that in the press conference this
is a comment, but others are not so sure. Tonight,
we welcome back to the program. I think the perfect

(21:17):
person to have. I mean, he is the mutual UFO
Networks chief photo and video analyst, and of course the
creator and host of the sky Tour live stream, which
if you have not checked out, maybe you'll be checking
out as long as we get right conditions for that.
He's Mark D'Antonio, who has a degree as well in astronomy,

(21:41):
so we welcome him back into the pair of normal.

Speaker 9 (21:43):
How have you been, Mark, I am fine. Thank you,
so nice to see you. Jeremy, thank you so much
for having me.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
We first heard about this image back in July, and
you were mentioning right before we started you started tracking
it with some of your equipment, Is that correct? Shortly thereafter, yes,
in August.

Speaker 9 (22:06):
We have two remote observatories out in the desertative of Arizona,
which is part of our sky to a Livestream, nonprofit
organization that we run, and we have one that's a
wide field system, and then we have one that's a
narrow field system. And the narrow field system is perfectly
suited for looking at comment three iatls and noticed I

(22:27):
call it a comet. Now, I'm aware of people and
know the people that suggested maybe this wasn't a comet,
and it worked with them. But one of the things
that I have to say is that the comment has
been giving off anomalies. For sure, there's been an anomalistic behavior,

(22:49):
but I will say that this thing was showing signs
of being a comic rate from the start. So we
took our narrow field system, did it where the comment
was supposed to be because it was very faint at
the time, and we took a time exposure. It was
in the Sagittarius Mooki Way. Now you can imagine the

(23:10):
Milky Way towards the center of our galaxy is really
really dense, lots of stars everywhere. However, if you're focused
on just the stars, anything that's moving ever so slightly,
we'll leave a little line on your image and that
will be something moving amongst the stars. And that's something
that we caught was three iyallans, So I measured the

(23:32):
amount of movement and it corresponded to exactly how much
movement this object was making at the time. Now, when
we photographed it, it was out as far as the planet Jupiter,
all right, So that's five astronomical units away from the Sun,
all right. So that being said, we did capture it

(23:54):
with the telescope and I thought that was pretty cool,
and we're planning on doing it again. It's an early
morning object now it's to come around the Sun, which
means it'll be in our early morning sky for a while,
so we're gonna be photographing it when it's clear.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Now.

Speaker 9 (24:11):
The only reason we're not going live in Arizona is
because it's not clear. It's actually rarely cloudy there, which
is why we picked it. You know, we have one
observatory at thirty five hundred feet in altitude, one of
eighteen hundred feet and altitude, and then they run two
hundred miles apart from each other, so if one's clouded out,
we usually have clarity at the other one. But this

(24:32):
time there's a full precipitation system going through Arizona, so
we have to wait just a little longer. But you
know that's that's skyterlife dot org.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
For you, right. So you're hoping that in the coming
weeks as we approach December nineteenth, when it makes its
closest approaching, you know, at one hundred and seventy million
miles close, that you can be able to track during
that time period.

Speaker 9 (25:02):
Yeah, and during that time period it's gonna be a
lot more obvious than it was when we took the
picture back in August. So we're looking forward to that, Yeah,
and the telescope will do a fine job of being
able to see it.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
So tell us about what you saw with the images
that NASA has released here. I mean, it took a
while people were wondering what's up with that. We can
get into that later on, but here we have a
set of images and your reaction to those as a
photo and video analyst, you you look at this, you know,
with a skeptical eye, with a critical eye, with a

(25:36):
scientific eye, and and what do you have to say
about these?

Speaker 9 (25:41):
You're right, I have three eyes? What they do in
a sense? I mean, and I used my third eye. No.
The the thing that's interesting is that in looking at
the images, they are exactly what I expect. Now, you
know the comment was out gassing. They didn't use that

(26:01):
term because you know, they're told when they're doing a
press conference to the world, they're supposed to speak at
a lower grade level. Word like outgassing us forbidden on
the air because.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
People think you're going to talk about farting or something
or something.

Speaker 9 (26:15):
Maybe I don't know right exactly, but it's it. That's
why they they said they talked about the spectra. They
called it wiggles. They call them wiggles. They're actually spectral
response lines that they're looking at when they looked at
the contents the composition of the comets, and and and
they show composition that in some ways we understand for comets,

(26:38):
and then other ways we don't. Because this comic comes
from another place. And so just like if you're used to,
you know, hot chocolate from say one place, and then
you go to a new place, you know, one hundred
miles away, it might taste different because it's not the
hot chocolate you're used to. So if something's outside the

(26:58):
solar system, well it might come in looking a little
bit differently than what we're used to because all the
other comets are from our Solar system. Now other than
one Eye, which was a rock that came through that
we've you know, missed until it was almost heading out,
and two eye Borius off, which was another interstellar comet

(27:21):
that came through prior to that you're after, and prior
to three Eyeatlis. So three Aalyis is the third and
only three so far that we've tracked with the Atlas system.
The Atlas System is a series of telescopes around around
the world actually that cracks small objects that could be
a threat to the Earth or possibly come new the Earth.

(27:45):
And this is not one of.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Them, thankfully, I I guess we can say. And so
based on these images they have, this has features of
being commet in many ways, right coact.

Speaker 9 (28:03):
There's a couple of things that were odd. Number one, uh,
it had it seemed to have an excess of carbon dioxide. Well,
you know you exhale carbon dioxide when you breathe, but
carb dioxide is also in space in the universe. It's
a it's a molecule found in the universe made of
carbon and oxygen, right, two oxygens and one carbon. Well, well,

(28:24):
that material is in abundance on this particular commet. Now
we see carbon dioxide on commets, we do, but not
as much as this one. But as I said, this
comic comes from the other side of the railroad tracks,
and we don't know what happens over there. We don't
know the compositions of where it formed, nor do we

(28:44):
know why it was objected from its star that it
was surrounding. That's a whole nother thing. That's a whole
other process. That was probably due to some type of
stellar near miss with two stars and may have each other.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
All right, we gotta pause. Marked Antonio with us is
a mouf on chief video and photo analyst talking about
three I at lists and the images that have been
released by NASA. Nowa this interstellar object somewhere between the
paranormal and the abnormal. I'm Jeremy Scott. We will be
right back.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Into the pair of normal.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
P I'm sure he's got somewhere between the paranormal and
the abnormal. Talking about three I at list tonight, this

(30:06):
object has now passed the Sun and it's headed for
a I mean, not that close of a pass, but
we'll call it a pass by Earth that is headed
for mid December, and so telescopes will be pinpointing it
in the coming weeks and months, hoping to get some
even clear images. We're talking with Moufund's photo and video

(30:26):
analysts tonight, Mark d Antonio of a sky twour livestream
as well. Who looks at the skies? I mean, how
many hours do you say that you're looking through these
telescopes and all of these anomalies and ordinary objects in
the sky.

Speaker 9 (30:46):
That's actually a very good question, you know. I hadn't
sort of tally on it at first, but then I
realize on our YouTube channel skyter live stream with Marked Antonio,
we have like five hundred and fifty streams, and every
one of them are more than two or to three hours,
maybe sometimes four and five hours long. So that's a

(31:10):
lot of hours. And that doesn't count the time I
just spent doing it myself, because there's when it's a
clear night and I'm not streaming, I will be taking
photographs using these observatories, and so I would have to
say there's got to be thousands upon thousands of hours
overall that I've looked into it, you know, just since

(31:31):
the inception of Skyterer live stream, and that's twenty seventeen
twenty sixteen or so, so it's been going for quite
a while. And you know, we're on all the social
media platforms. It just you know, I don't really probe
on it too much, and I think I probably should,
you know, because I could use the subscriber.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
All right, Well, we've got the link up. If folks
go to the episode page, you'll be able to just
click there and if they want to subscribe, they can
do so. It's free to you know, you've got these
observatories again. There two of these telescopes, is that correct
in Arizona.

Speaker 9 (32:06):
Yeah, I've got one out in the Sonoran Desert west
of Phoenix, by about eighty five miles out in the desert.
I've got one on the Benson Plateau, and that one
is at thirty five hundred feet in altitude, which makes
the sky a little bit clearer darker, And I share
that with nine or ten other professional astronomers along with myself,

(32:31):
and I don't share the telescope. They each have their
own buildings and their own observatories. So we have these
little cubes on top of this mountain, and all the
roofs slide off these mountain top observatories and you see
telescopes sticking up and looking all over the place at night.
So all over the country people are using this particular
facility to actually do their research. And we are too.

(32:52):
We're adding to the building room, we're adding more instrumentation.
And again I don't take a salary. I get nothing
for this. I just do it because I want to.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Because you're looking at a particular region of the sky particularly.

Speaker 9 (33:06):
I mean, see what happens is the people watching are
from all over the world. People watching in Japan, China,
you know, our people in Australia, people in Bulgaria, people
in England. You know, it's hilly all over the world,
and they're watching and you know what they want to
see is it's almost like a television show. They want

(33:26):
to see cool things on the screen, but they also
want to learn about them. So I'll look at galaxies
and then we'll switch over to stellar nurseries where stars
are born. Okay, look at these dark clouds of dust
in the middle of space, and we can image those
very nicely with our white field system, and you know,
this is where life began, like on the Earth, began

(33:48):
in these dark recesses of the universe. So basically they're
learning about astronomy and the night sky space there oreg jes,
the origins of the planets, the origin of Earth, what
it means to us, where'd our atmosphere come from? How
does it affect this? How can other alien civilizations potentially

(34:09):
see us? Why do they see us? All these questions
and more I get on a nightly basis, and you know,
we we answer them, you know, And it's really an
effective tool for teaching long distance astronomy. I talk classes
in the overseas with this telscope already, you know, just
because I did a night session with a group of

(34:31):
people out in Thailand. It's incredible.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
But have we been able to see the other interstellar
objects Omua and Borisov the way we've been able to
see three I Atlas well see.

Speaker 9 (34:46):
Borislaw was found by Kannadi Borisov, who was a Russian
civilian just looking for comments in the sky, much like
our own famous David leeby Okay, David's a very prolific
common their great guy, and so do Nadi Borisa found
this comet and he found it with his amateur equipment. Basically, well,

(35:10):
that one they imaged and they of course other telescopes
picked up on it. It was already on its way
out of the Solar System when it was actually seen.
We weren't ready for these types of interstellar interlopers. Now,
how do we know their interstellar How do you even
know where to look? Well, we don't know where to look.

(35:32):
We didn't know where to look for pre i Atlis.
It was by chance that it was caught on some
previous imagery. The first time it was caught was actually
by a NASA telescope, and they didn't even know they
had covied and that was long before it was even
known by the rest of the world. All right, So
all these fines are accidental. It's not like you're going

(35:55):
to say, okay, we're going to go find an interstellar
commet tonight. Your point your telescope at a certain spot
in the sky. In narratives, that's not how it works.
So there's a lot of sky in every direction. So
how do you cover that. You cover that where you
have a lot of eyes looking, And that's the Atlas telescopes.
They look and they take a frame and they move on.
They take a frame and they move on. They scan

(36:16):
the night sky all over three hundred and sixty degrees
all around you, and so as best they can within
their limit, because they can't image us below their feet obviously,
because they're just in the way. So that's why telescopes
else around the planet do that job as well. So
the more telescopes we have looking up, the better chance
we will have of finding that object that could eventually

(36:38):
hit us, you know. So that's an issue there. So
we're not perfect yet. Atlases. They're adding telescopes to the
ANTLYTS system, which is good, you know. And individuals like
myself and other people we have seen once in the
lifetime things happen, okay, like we caught there in the
middle of a stream in twenty nineteen in January, there

(36:59):
was a loose clips the moon was blood red on
our screen and everyone watching were five thousand people watching
at that time that moment, like forty eight changing. Well,
at that moment, everybody saw this white flash on the Moon.
We and only five other groups on the planet had
caught a meteor hitting the Moon at the height of

(37:21):
the lunar eclipse. And when it hit the Moon, it vaporized,
and of course all that energy of motion, kinetic energy
that this thing had was converted to heat, and that
heat was quite hot for a second everybody saw hit
the Moon. So it's like wow. So the universe is
a very dynamic place. So you know, again, we couldn't
predict that was going to happen. So we just have

(37:44):
to keep looking. As long as you look, eventually you'll
see something.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Right, You've been looking, as you say, many many hours,
and you've seen strange things, but not yet interstellar objects
until now. Talk about the NASA instruments as much as
we know about them that were involved in collecting these images.

Speaker 9 (38:08):
Oh gosh, they use Lucy that he used high rise.
They used James Webspace telescope. Just to start. Lucy is
an asteroid near Earth, a pirogein asteroid is near Earth
asteroid hunter and imager and they trained it on three
A Atlis and they got a really good image of it.
And it was about two hundred million miles right, but

(38:30):
they got a nice image of it. James Webb was
out which is a million miles from us, by the way,
and sitting out of what's called the almost like a
parking spot in space. It's called the Groange Point where
all the gravitational fields sort of add up to zero
from the tugs from everything, so it's just a little
bit of thrust. You can hold yourself in position there.
And that's what James web is and they had that

(38:51):
looking at it initially and those images are available. But
that looks in the infrared. It looks tom where you know,
we see visible light. So if the width of the
if the width of the person's screen on their computer
is say fifteen inches, well the infrared, if the red

(39:13):
is to the left, the infrared is like that, the
James websites is like fifty feet further to the left.
It's way way out there outside the visible range. And
so by looking out there they can actually see or
what we just call characterized atmospheres of exoplanets that can
characterize what comments are made of in that region of

(39:35):
the spectrum, and it tells us an awful lot about
their composition and what's going on there, because certain molecules
in a comment, for instance, give off signatures in their
spectrum when you open their light up and spread it
around sput out the light. Basically with our systems and
no spectra can tell us the compositions of things. It's

(39:57):
really cool.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
We don't have to take a break here talking with
Mark Antonio, who is mofon's chief video and photo analyst, astronomer,
host of sky to our livestream. Skytourlive dot com is
the website, and we'll continue talking about three I Atlas
and about the skywatching and what other objects we might
find in the skies.

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Speaker 3 (41:25):
So the government shutdown, of course has ended, and NASA
was not in operation, was not funded. There was nobody
there manning uh the ship, and so the images that
had come in with three I at lists right after
the government shutdown began were not released for seven weeks.

(41:45):
That came this week as several images released from NASA missions.
I was asking Mark d Antonio about the missions, the
instruments that have collected some of these objects, and that's
where we were before the break. I believe you were
talking about the Lucy Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 9 (42:05):
Saying that James Webspace Telescope took images of it and
that far infrared, which is way out past any of
the light we can see with our eyes, and then
Lucy imaged it with a black and white camera, but
it was like two hundred million miles away from it
at the time. It looks like a comet, right, James
Webb image, it looks like a comment. And then the
Mars High Rise did a spectral analysis, meaning it broke

(42:29):
the light up into components and you were able to
see the differences in the light. You could see that
it captured the atomic hydrogen that was in the in
the Martian atmosphere, then an interstellar space, and then in
the comet itself, so you can actually see a little
bit of that. And then there was a couple other

(42:49):
soho the the Sun Orbiting Observatory that we have up there,
that one has imaged it as well. So there's a
lot of good footage. But unfortunately you're right when the
government shut down, we couldn't see it, you know, we
couldn't see it. It was it was just sort of waiting
there on the drive to be downloaded in process. And

(43:11):
that's unfortunate, but that's that's what happened, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, I mean there were some other i mean non
governmental entities that released images during that time which were
somewhat helpful, right, Yeah, I mean I mean like a
European space agency and.

Speaker 9 (43:31):
Yeah, there were some other space agencies that released images,
uh and they were very helpful and uh so, but
the thing is one of the problems we had, and
it kind of the shutdown came along. It's sort of
a good time is they're going to shut down because
it went behind the Sun and no Earth based telescopes

(43:53):
could see it. Now some of whom could still see it,
and they started those images and I Rise imaged it already,
so that was okay back then. So when it was
behind the Sun, we couldn't see it from Earth, and
then it had when it came out from behind the Sun,
it had to come out far enough so we can
actually catch it. Uh and with a space based telescope

(44:16):
we could. And we're not pointing to James Webb at
this thing, because if we point to James web at
this commet, now it'll be looking too close to the Sun.
And that means it's infrared system which has been very
very carefully shielded from the Sun's radiation, would be in
full view and we can't allow that to happen. We

(44:36):
have to keep the James Web super cool. No, so
you know when it comes, when it gets higher in
the skies and moves further away, that James Webb will
be perfectly suited to see it better. So that'll come later.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
What do you you think that there, Look, there's some
conspiracy theories out there that you know, these aren't the
real images, and NASA's hiding some those I think come
with any NASA discovery. There's that crowd out there that
will just discount to anything that NASA provides, particularly though
because it took this long, and I guess because they

(45:12):
had to quote process the images. NASA processes all images,
and I mean as a video and photo analyst for moufon,
are there anything that any signs that you can look
at in these images to tell if something has been
processed or digitized or altered And is that becoming a problem?

Speaker 9 (45:38):
Technically it could be a problem, but guess what, every
single image is going to be altered to some degree.
And the reason is because, for instance, when Lucy took
that image it was actually facing more toward the Sun,
and so there was some glare that was on the
sensor as well, and so there were some streets and

(46:00):
Mars from Sunblair. Now in the release image you don't
see that, but in the secret image, the raw image,
you do. Oh no, NASA is hiding something. Yes, they're
hiding Sunblair from the Sun, so you can just see
the comet and not see these streaks of light elsewhere. That.
Of course, once the conspiracy community gets a whole of that,

(46:20):
they're going to invent and fabricate all kinds of things. Now,
so in this case, I've been calling it a count
since day one because I felt that the composition was
such that it was a comment. Now, I know other
people were saying, you know, this is a very strange trajectory,
and it is no doubt it's like a point zero

(46:42):
zero five percent chance of this particular trajectory of something
coming into our solar system. I get it. And that's
also very true. So it is something that's coming in.
And it went by Mars first, and it went by Venus,
all right, and then it's going to pass by Jupiter,
and we see it passed by We mean millions of
miles away, but still it's gonna pass by Jupiter run

(47:04):
the way out. So it's gonna it goes by three
of our nine planets. And yes, I say nine, because
I do believe Pluto is a planet. Okay, I think
that was wrong for them to degrade it. But then
again I knew Claye Tom Bob and found Bluto, so
I was like, okay, maybe maybe I'm biased, but anyway,
so it's going to pass three of our nine planets

(47:26):
as it leaves, you know, by time it leaves, So
that's kind of rare. We don't expect that kind of
thing to happen. So that's why the initial fervor was about, hey,
maybe this thing is an extraterrestrial alien pro and you know,
on the scale of zero to ten, ten being its
alien for sure guarantee. I had it as high as

(47:49):
a four, and I dropped it to a two, and
then I dropped it to a zero. Okay, I don't
think there's any chance now that it's an extra trustrial shift.
Maybe let's say, because I could never be absolute, right,
I'll say zero point five. Just leave that little tiny,
you know, uncertainty. Because everything in science is measured with

(48:11):
an uncertainty. There's no absolute numbers. So that said, it's
it's interesting that this thing has, you know, pass by
like this. That was strange. It came in along the
plane of our solar system. That was also strange. Okay,
we didn't expect it to come from that direction. Now,
when we say it came by the plane of our
solar system, you have to understand if you imagine a

(48:34):
horizontal circular disc in front of you, our solar systems
at a sixty two degree angle to that disc. Okay,
and that sixty two degree angle, you know, you say, well, wait,
how can something go along our solar system come in
along our solar system that way? Well, if you turn
to the solar system sideways, you could see that it
could cross along the plane of our solar system along

(48:56):
that direction. So it is something that could come in
parallel to all the planes of operation and orbits of
these planets in our solar system. So that it wasn't
on That was something unexpected. The carbon dioxide was unexpected.
The ratial of nickel to iron was very unexpected. Why

(49:18):
were we seeing nickel, you know, showing up? We usually
see nickel and an element in our periodic table with
iron all the time. They're right near each other in
the periodic table. So why didn't we see the iron two? Well,
that's still a mystery. But there is a working theory
which I have also proposed out there, and that is

(49:40):
that the nickel was combined with carbon monoxide molecules, which
is a carbon in an oxygen atom. So nickel carbonyl,
nickel with four carbon monoxide molecules attached to it, right,
could be out there along with iron pentic carbonyl. That's
iron with five carbon monoxide groups on. Now, why would
even talk about this because that nickel cardinal would not

(50:04):
be visible until the nichols free, and that happens at
one hundred degree stair at height. The iron is freed
at two hundred. So that's why nickel came first.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
All right, we gotta pause with Mark Dantonio and we'll
continue into the pair.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Of normalackness, into the pair of normal, pair of.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
I'm jeremy' SKay with Mark Antonio talking about three i als.
The third interstellar visitor moving through our Solar system will
come within Earth one hundred and seventy million miles of
US in mid December has already completed its trip past this.
There was a rumor that this thing imploded, that it
had broken up into pieces, and that turns out not

(51:09):
to be the case. There have been some fabrications with
this and also AI is not helping. Would you agree, Mark,
Oh my.

Speaker 9 (51:20):
Gosh, yeah, it's so funny. When this first came out
and I became an all star contributor on the three
Iatlis group in social media because people were saying, here's
the most recent photograph of three ialyists, and it showed
the planet Killer from the episode of the Doomsday Machine

(51:42):
in Star Trek, the original series, you know, and they said, oh, yeah, wow,
this is it fantastic. It looks like the Doomsday Machine,
you know. So, yes, you're right. Then there have been
the ones that showed this ship with lights on it
and some of the images really very nice renderings, you know,
but they're still lies. There's still untruths, and so you know,

(52:06):
I I like to basically destroy when you when people
say that this is the Atlas, I like to destroy
that because people deserve to know what's really going on,
not be lied to. So I had a little bit
of a pet peeve about that.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Yeah, the truth is the truth, and is somebody who's
who actually has a degree in this stuff. I mean
you probably feel you have a certain amount of responsibility
to correct this misinformation.

Speaker 9 (52:37):
In a sense. Yeah. And the other thing too, is
and now we say this, people come along and they
speak on social media with such authority you know it's this,
it's this, This is definitely what it is. Oh, I
know for sure that this is.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
What it is.

Speaker 9 (52:55):
And my response, you know, is like, well, how do
you know that? And they said, well, because I know.
I mean, they don't even give you any really good
foundation or any reason why that. And I said, did
you get your degree on Google or did you get
a degree in the credited program? I mean, I reediately
want to know because you're not showing critical thinking, which

(53:16):
to get a real degree you're going to have to show,
and critical thinking is very important. It kind of turns
you into a bit of a skeptic. And if you're
just accepting this because you watched a video on YouTube,
then that's not good enough. You know, that's really not
good enough. I mean it's preponderance of evidence, you know,

(53:37):
And the evidence isn't there for this being a spacecraft.
It never was there never was other than these anomalies
we talked about earlier, which looked like an interesting coincidence.
I hate to say so as.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Far as you know, the time that it took NASA
to release these images, I mean, any reason to suspect
that these you know that they are hiding something. You
know that and if this wasn't an alien spacecraft or
a probe that they would even tell us, Well, my question.

Speaker 9 (54:13):
Is why would they hide it? You know? I mean,
what's the purpose in that? What's the endgame? Why hide it?
I mean every single mission we've sent out the Solar
System all right, has as one of its tenets ostensibly
to look for evidence of past or present life. Well,
if it finds it, and do you think we're going

(54:35):
to say hide that? No, I mean one of the
mission goals is to see look for evidence of past
the present life. That's why the Europa Clipper is on
its way to Europa right now, because we're going to
land on Europa Europa Lander mission and we're going to
go down and we can figure out a way to
drill into the ice and look at the ocean that's
beneath the icy crust of Europa and look for life

(55:00):
in this region. Now, why would we go down there?
Isn't it frozen? Well know, the planet's being needed like
bread dough by Jupiter and the other moons of Jupiter
that are going around it, tugging and pulling on it,
keeping the interior warm. It's actually quite balmy in there.
It's probably anywhere from you know, thirty two degrees near

(55:22):
the surface area to maybe seventy degrees fahrenheit and down
in the depths of the ocean. So there's certainly temperatures
that are suitable for life. There's certainly the slurry of
chemistry down there that's suitable for life. We're seeing it
spew out of the geysers. So if that's happening, then

(55:43):
it needs and maybe life there. Now we're going there
because we see life in our deep ocean vents where
there's never any light. Okay, So clearly life can begin
in the dark and take hold. Now, chemosynthesis, chemical engineering
used to further life is used. But we see it.

(56:04):
So is NASA hiding anything? Why would they hide it?
I mean, to what end if there was a spacecraft
coming towards the Earth. I suspect that we would have
been told by now I do. I don't think it
would be hidden. I don't think there's you know, a
vast power in the United States that's sort of hiding

(56:25):
this information from us at all. I just don't think
that's true. And my reasons for that are that you
can't silence all of science. Yes, let's say NaSTA was
hiding something, Jerry, Let's say that. Let's say they were
hiding something directly with the French, Would the European Union,
would the would the Chilean Telescope people? Would they hide it? No?

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Probably not so.

Speaker 9 (56:50):
In other words, they'd have to silence everybody, you know,
and that's something that is impossible. You can't do it.
So they wouldn't hide it. It. Probably group together and
make a group announcement. That's my feeling.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
So what does it say that we haven't found any
sort of alien probe or alien signal in the solar
system yet?

Speaker 9 (57:18):
Well, there's a lot of things that says. You know,
you remember the famous Fermi paradox. It was the paradox
wrongly attributed to Enrico Fermi actually, and basically the question
was where are they? If they're out there, then why
aren't they here? Well, how do we know that they're
not here? How do we know they haven't been here?

(57:41):
I do this lecture where I put the entire history
of the Earth on a roll of toilet paper, and
I do it out in the audience, and it's one
hundred and seventeen feet long. And everything that exists on
our planet now in our current lifespan is the width
of a human hair. At the very end of that
role dinosaurs and that scale diet eighteen inches ago. Okay,

(58:02):
So anywhere from there, all the way to the front
to the all the way to the back is where
alien race could have found us, you know, and visited us,
and who knows, maybe helped life along. For all we know,
maybe the DNA that's here was brought here who knows?
Pan sperm as the concept that has long been thought about,

(58:22):
So you know, maybe they are here now. One of
my most popular lectures that I give is on interdimensional travel,
and it's one that you know, other physicists and astronomers
you know, are well aware and talk about actually as
a possibility, and that is that maybe aliens travel interdimensionally,
which means that you wouldn't always be able to detect them.

(58:43):
You wouldn't always be able to see them because they'd
be flipping in and out of our four dimensions with
your X, Y, and Z moving through time. Yeah, I
know it gets dense and it gets deep, but it's
all theory and conjecture that it's all possible.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Anything else you want to clear up on three, I
at Lis.

Speaker 9 (59:05):
Well, at the moment, I think that we know right
now without I'd say ninety nine point nine percent. We
can say that it's a common it has some strange
anomalies associated with it. But then again, it came from
outside the Solar system, and it's been the longest observed
object that we've been able to observe, and it's come
into our solar system from somewhere else. So it's been

(59:28):
here coming through our solar system for quite a while,
for a number of months, and it's going to be
a few more months before it leaves, so we're going
to get a chance to study even more so these
interstellar objects. We can't expect them to look like the
objects like them in our own solar system.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
So yeah, now, first time you discover something, it looks
a little odd. The more you discover it, it may
not look so odd. And so why mark his scale
of probability that this could be an alien spacecraft. Actually,
the chances of that lowered over time with observations. Talking
three Ialys tonight with Mark D'Antonio into the pair of

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Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Of Normal News, I'm George Henry. Astronomers say interstellar visitors
to our Solar system may pose a small but real
impact risk to Earth, and new research is helping define
what that threat looks like. While there have only been
three confirmed interstellar objects so far, scientists believe a countless
number of them have passed through and some may have

(01:00:45):
struck Earth, leaving behind ancient craters. Simulations by researchers at
Michigan State University found that Earth impacting ISOs are most
likely to come from two directions, the solar apex and
the galact plane. Models show that while most travel fast,
the ones that could actually hit Earth tend to be slower,

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that impacts are slightly more likely in winter, and that
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Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Hang on for the ride.

Speaker 10 (01:01:47):
You're headed into the pair abnormal.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
There is a lot out there. You've got to actually
look up in which to see them. It's good opportunity
to do so. Three Iyatlis, although not visible with the
naked eye, will be headed past Earth from one hundred
and seventy million miles away and then on to Jupiter
after that in the spring of twenty twenty six, likely

(01:02:17):
never to return. Is that accurate or at least in
our lifetimes we're talking with Mark D'Antonio.

Speaker 9 (01:02:24):
Is that correct, Yeah, that's correct. That's what we call
a hyperbolic trajectory, and that's a path that is a
gentle curve around the Sun, basically not much of one,
because it's moving so fast that the Sun's gravity can't
restrain it enough to keep it in orbit around it's

(01:02:45):
around the Sun. So it's going to leave the Solar
system and never ever come back. So this is a
once in a lifetime event that's happening in our solar
system right now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
And perhaps you may catch a glimpse of this object
on a free on a future a live stream there
at the.

Speaker 9 (01:03:04):
YEP. We're going to be doing a specific sets live
streams on three a Alis. We're gonna show it to
your live You're going to see it in the sky,
and it's going to be unlike anything people have ever
seen before, because they're going to be looking at something
that will never ever be coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
What other things are out there? Objects in the sky
that you show folks on the live.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Streams, Tunny is.

Speaker 9 (01:03:33):
We look at objects, namely galaxies and nebul Nebula are
clouds of gas and dust. Many times you're illuminated by
the stars within them, so we can see them. Otherwise
they'd be dark, we wouldn't see them. So stars illuminate
these nebuley and we end up looking at those. These

(01:03:54):
are birthplaces of other stars, sanets, potentially worlds like our own,
and so these are places that we look at all
the time. We look at certain stars too. We look
at stars that have exploded, supernovas that occur in other
galaxies or our own galaxy, and if it's in our view,

(01:04:14):
we look at it and we check it out. And
so these objects are what we see on a nightly adventure.
We have an all sky camera that picks up really
strange things. Sometimes we looked like a satellite until it
made a forty five degree turn in the sky, and
we don't know why it did this. It's definitely not

(01:04:35):
an aircraft. I can tell that for sure, And having
seen tens of thousands of purported UFO photos that are
actually aircraft, I know what aircraft looked like, and this
was not an aircraft. There was a single dot moved
to the sky and then boom, it turned off at
a forty five degree angle. And I don't know why.

(01:04:59):
We saw something a circular path way up high in
the sky and it was very faintly caught it and
over a period of twenty four seconds and actually made
a complete circle. And we couldn't explain this light circle
in the sky. And it's on one frame, then the
next frame, but the next grame had the other half
of it, so we knew it was really there. So

(01:05:22):
that's weird. Can't be explained. You know, we thought fighter aircraft,
you know, but no jet exhaust will only be visible
on half of that run. As it was facing away
from you or you know, facing you know, was facing
away going around in a circle. When it was coming
towards you, you wouldn't see the nozzle, so it wouldn't
be bright wouldn't actually be there at all, and then

(01:05:43):
what so we didn't know what it was. So we
see lots of really strange things in the universe from
the all sky and from our telescopes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
And I'm always telling people, if you're not looking for
this stuff, you're not going to find it. So you
will occasionally accidentally see objects that you're not even looking for.

Speaker 9 (01:06:02):
That's right. Astronomy is serendipity. I mean we find things
that are out there that we didn't expect to see.
Like when we looked at the Moon during that lunar
clips and we saw a meteor hit the moon. Boom,
there was a bright flash of light on the surface
of the Moon. Who expected to see that? Nobody, and

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there was. It's in our stream. Actually, if people go
to skyter live stream on YouTube, they can actually look
up the Moon's lunar clips and see the actual strike
in real time, not real time, but you know, recorded
from when it happened in real time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Sure, So meteors are those common occurrence?

Speaker 9 (01:06:45):
Oh yeah, we get millions of tons of stuff hitting
the Earth every year. Right behind me, I have several
meteors that I've collected over the years. One of them
is you know, a thousand is a size of your hand.
It's a thousand, and it weighs quite a bit. And
it came from Argentina where it fell.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:07:06):
And then I have several other meteors smaller uh and meteors,
so you know, and when it hit the ground that
we call meteorites their meteors when they're there. Okay, terminot
who But the point is, you know, we we find
meteors Metea writes all the time on our planet. People
find them all the time, and uh, they pick them

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up and they think, hey, that's a cool rock and
they don't even realize it came from from out in
the universe, you know, and it could be as old
as the Earth itself.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Absolutely. So what kinds of telescopes do you have? Obviously
these are the probably the big fancy ones, and these
probably cost a lot of money, and maybe as amateurs
don't need something so fancy to at least to start
our sky watching journey. What would you recommend?

Speaker 9 (01:07:56):
Yeah, our scopes are we have a ten inch diameter system.
Then we have eleven inch diameter system, so now you know,
big gigantic telescopes. We do have a little bit more
sophisticated equipment on them, right. But if people want to
start out, I actually recommend a company called Celestron okay

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C E L E S t R O N Celestron,
And I recommend a telescope called the six S as
in Sierra Echo SEU. The Celestron six S E. That's
a great starter telescope. It's just hundred one thousand dollars,
you know, and it pretty much does everything for you.

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You set up, you take care of a couple of
things up front, and it has a handset and you
say what do you want to see today? And it'll
show you the objects you're going to go to, and
you say go, and it points the telescope automatically shows
you really cool stuff in the IPS. No. So that's
that's a wonderful telescope for someone that's gone a little

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pas as the very very beginning, if you want to
go to the very very beginning. And Celesteron has not
paid me, by the way, for anything, They don't sponsor
me in any way. But a Celestron also makes a
reflecting telescope that's out there, and it's called the Star
Sense reflector. I think it's like a six inch reflecting

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telescope and we give those away in our stream. By
the way, we give away binoculars Quind Stanley from Night's
Celester as well, and we give away telescopes on our stream.
So when people come in now we have contests while
the streams going on, and the winners of the contest
are announced at the end of the stream, and wow,

(01:09:46):
you know we have winners and people really enjoy winning equipment. Yes,
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Actually putting this into people's hands and giving them a
starting point, which is which is important. We all want
to know where to start and what we should use
and how we should use it. Talking with Mark d Antonio,
he is with a skytourt live streams. It's a skytour
Live dot com and also move On's chief photo and

(01:10:14):
video analyst. More to come into the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
Para normal, into the pair of Norman.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
I'm Jeremy Scott, somewhere between the Paranormal and the Abnormal.
Our website Paradormal Radio dot com and if you missed
any part of the show, you can find it free
on podcast. Talking with Mark Dantonio, website, Skytourlive dot com.
They've got a utube channel and you can join their
live streams, maybe even win some gear to help on
your sky watching journey. So what do you recommend when

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folks maybe get a hold of some of this not
so expensive gear, but at least something that they can
start their sky watching journey with. What do they do
with it, what do they look for, where do they
position it? Give them some tips to get started.

Speaker 9 (01:11:28):
Sure, the first thing that people will generally want to
look at is the Moon, and when they see the
Moon in binoculars, it's an amazing sight. For the first time.
If they see it in a telescope, it makes people
drop their jaws because they don't realize what they're really
looking at. When they look at it with binoculars, you

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can't really see the full I guess splendor of the Moon.
That impact scarred satellite of ours has so many features
on it that they are just incredible. And beyond the Moon,
then people are going to say, well, I want to
see Saturn, I want to see Jupiter. And so the

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nice thing about the night sky is that it's always changing,
with the same things coming back into view over the
course of a full season meaning a full year around
the sun actually, and so right now Jupiter rises around
I think nine or ten pm tonight, you know, each
to night in the northern hemisphere, and rises above the
northeastern hemisphere gets a high in the sky. It might

(01:12:35):
already be out when sunsets I checked. But anyway, looking
at Jupiter, it's a very bright object. It's only eclipsed
by the brightness of Venus, which is in the early
morning sky right now. And so people can look at
these planets. If they look at Jupiter with binoculars, well,

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they'll see that there's four dots around. Say hey, what're
those dots? And moons around Jupiter? Just like we have
planets around our sun, Jupiter has moons around. It's like
a little mini solar system in its own, you know,
and it's got gosh, got at least one hundred moons
of all sizes around it, including a ring or like Saturn.

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But it's not as visible as Saturn. So people can
look at Jupiter, they can look at Saturn. Looking at
Mars is really an amazing first time view because rather
than just seeing a red dot in the sky with
a eyepiece and has magnification to it, you might actually
glimpse a polar cap on Mars. It might you'll definitely
see the orange surface, and you'll see potentially some black

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marks like Surchus Major, which is a large black mark
on Mars, and Mars rotates around the same rotation rate
as the Earth, so it's not there. In one hour
you might be crusting around here as a planet. A
couple hours later, you know you or no. And then
so the planets and the moon are the first places

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to go. And then if you want to see some
of the cooler things, there's double stars, stars that are
so close to each other that are actually orbiting each other,
and double star systems are very common, and you can
look up online and say you can go to a
like Google and you can literally type in what beautiful
double stars are there for me to see tonight in

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and you put your talent in, and we'll tell you
the double stars that are over your head tonight and
when and what constellation, and it'll tell you what they are,
so you can actually enter them by finding their name
in the database inside of your celestron if you're using it,
or any other system that may be able to look
at it. So there's a lot of ways you can

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look at the night sky and really start enjoying it.
Right now in the night sky, there's the most beautiful
double star that I looked at ever since I was
a child, and that's a star called Alberio. It's in
Signus the Swan, which is directly overhead at nine pm
in the evening in the northern hemisphere right now. And

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it actually it's the head of the swan. Of the
Swan and Signess looks like a northern cross. You have
a very bright star called DANEB at one end. That's
the net beans rear there's the bed end of the
of the of the Swan. Then you have the wings
until you'll see the two stars, so the wings a
central star. You'll see DANEV at the top and it

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way down the other end you'll see another star finishing
out that northern cross. And that the star that's out
at the end a little bit fainter than the rest,
is Alberio. And when you look at that one and
a telescope, your jaw will drop because one of the
stars is orange and one of the stars is blue.

(01:15:51):
And you see these two stars right next to each
other in your eyepiece, it almost looks like it looks
like it shouldn't be there, but they're just stunning, and
it goes on and on from there. You know you
can you can if you have a telescope like the
success E for instance, you can tell to then look
at all manner of objects in the night sky. Double

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stars Galora probably has thousands in this database, so you
can see all manner of things and you learn an
awful lot about this stuff about astronomy by just looking
in the sky.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
What do you would you say there's a best time
of year to view some of these events or does
it depend? I mean each season could provide some pluses
and minufit minuses.

Speaker 9 (01:16:37):
Yeah, we uh my favorite time of the year. Okay,
it's hard to pin down.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 9 (01:16:43):
The summer sky, we have sagittaries, we have a sudden
lookie way. We have a beautiful uh panalty of nebulae
that we can look at and stolen nurseries where life
maybe now forming for all we know available to us.
It's towards the center of the galaxy. The Mookie weight
band over your head just stunning, and in our observatory sites,
the Milky Way goes horizon and horizon. Okay, it's very

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dark now. Most people don't have that ability. That's why
we offer that people can come see it without there's
no charge for any of us. And so when you
look at the summer sky, it's gorgeous. Now moving into
the fall sky, well, now you have other things. The
northern constellations have some really neat stuff. In the constellation

(01:17:26):
of Cassiopeia and Cephius, you have all these really interesting
objects up there. You have the remains of the summer
sky and signeys to swan Okay, tons and tons of
objects there, vast dark nebula that you can see in
your telescope kind of indirectly by looking at the bright
spots behind them, bright nebuli. And then after we go

(01:17:50):
into the winter, we have Orion. Now the stars of Orion.
People know bettle Juice. Bettle Juice is gonna be going
super nova soon. We don't know when soon. For an astronomer,
it could be ten thousand years. OK, So we're not
gonna be around, but it could happen, you know anytime
now where that's really expected. Now, uh and Oriyan. Now

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those stars are bright, all of them, and the reason
is because Oriyan is relatively close to us. Now that
means that these stars and the Sun are kind of
near each other in space. Currently, as we're going around
the galaxy and you know, we're about fifteen hundred miles
fifteen hundred years from the belt of Orion. That means

(01:18:36):
the light left that area fifteen hundred years ago, right,
But Ryan is coming up to and there's just this
immense mouth of lobjects that are beautiful there. Then we
have one season where it's galaxy season. Literally thousands and
thousands of galaxies visible to us at any one time,
looking in the particular constellation of Virgo and the night

(01:18:58):
sky and Coma, which is again beautiful locations in the sky.
All this you learn about with Stride through live stream,
but you can learn about it on your own.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Two.

Speaker 9 (01:19:09):
In some of these galaxies you can see in your binoculars.
The Drama Galaxy you can see easily, but with your
eye and with binoculars, it's just a stunning galaxy. And
that one is two point four million light years away,
so you're seeing it as it was two point four
million years ago. O. Guess what, in about two and

(01:19:29):
a half to three billion years, you're gonna see it
a lot closer because it's gonna collide with the Milky Way.
Now what that means is it's the star's just gonna mingle,
mix and create some new type of galactic form. No
stars are gonna actually hit. Okay, nothing's gonna change life,
won't be extinguished, won't be a major extermination event for
the galaxy. The galaxy will carry on as if nothing happened.

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It'll just have a new shape.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Wow, fantastic stuff. So the bottom line here is it
seems like there's almost always something cool happening in the sky.

Speaker 9 (01:20:03):
You just got to look up exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
So Mark tell us again. The website, the YouTube channel,
How do folks find you?

Speaker 9 (01:20:11):
Yeah, sure, I mean our skypter live stream with Mark
Antonio YouTube rumble kick to which trogo Facebook. We have
a Facebook group by the same name. You can find
us at our portal site, which is skyterlive dot org
for our nonprofit or skyterlive dot com which is our

(01:20:32):
yeah dot com website. You know. And if folks want
to know donate to our cause, they can do that too.
I mean, for a twenty five dollars donation, we'll send
them a really cool T shirt it says I need
my Space and shows all the planets including Pluto on
the back and has our skyter logo on the front.
It's really it hot shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
M Joy.

Speaker 9 (01:20:52):
Thank you guys for having me on.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Absolutely my pleasure, Mark d Antonio. Look forward to talking
to him once again from the cool, dark depths of
a secret dungeon somewhere deep in the remote Pacific Northwest.
I'm Jeremy Scott. Until next time, good night, and God
bless