Ep. #859: David DuByne – Think Outside The Food Box

Access to food being cut off for millions during the government shutdown was a stark reminder of how quickly a crisis can unfold. The disruption underscored the fragility of a system in which tens of millions rely on. Jeremy welcomes David DuByne to discuss whether the SNAP disruption may have been a trial run for a prolonged scenario, society’s dependence on government food programs, and the growing push toward synthetic foods.

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Scot I must say we do have quite a bit
to be thankful for as we gather here this night
before Thanksgiving. A very relevant discussion will be had tonight
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subjects with you for a couple of hours, the subjects
that are somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. Of course,
we are going to have David Dubainan back on the program,

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very knowledgeable when it comes to food cycles about everything
that's going on with the food situation, because food is
on many people's minds this night before Thanksgiving. Food has
become such an integral part of the celebration, of course,

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throughout the years, as with many American holidays that are celebrated,
food is a very, very big deal, and primarily it's
a turkey that we enjoy. Those who do not enjoy
the meat can't enjoy the meat. I'm not exactly sure

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what they eat, but to each their own. And we
just hope that you have food on the table this Thanksgiving,
because it has been in doubt for many many people
over the past few weeks. And quite a bit of money,
as you might expect, is spent on filling our Thanksgiving

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table with food and our bellies. One hundred and seventy
five dollars per household according to a new pull and
that is just the food, not to say the beverages,
which on average one hundred and ten dollars per household.
Some are much highigher so much lower. But really it

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was in doubt. People were thankful, I guess for what
they had had in the past, but worried that they
may not have much in the future, And of course
we're talking about the government shutdown which affected food stamps
otherwise known as SNAP Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. And also

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from what I understand, those who get cash in which
to spend on food. Some just get funds that they
can only spend on food, and then there are restrictions
on what you can buy with that. Others get cash
and can also buy that on food and use that

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for food, and maybe there aren't as many restrictions. Sometimes
families need that because they've got to buy baby formula
and other things that you couldn't buy with food stamps.
Now there has been once in my life that I
have needed this and it didn't offer me actually much assistance.

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I think I made ten dollars too much. So I
cannot speak from personal experience, but I know that there's
those who rely on this. It is a lifeline. Without it,
they would starve or they would have to leave their
home and go to a food bank or to a
shelter on a nightly basis. And so this really relied

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on the politicians to get their act together and to
get on the same page. And it took several weeks,
well over a month. A month and a half or
so until there was an agreement, and so the funds
were restored. Actually, the state of Oregon for the most

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part paid out their funds even before the shutdown ended,
because I'm not exactly sure how, but access was secured
to those funds and it was said that they would
not be going back and taking away money from those
who they had paid out. So my state was somehow

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going to bat I guess for the residents here and
protecting their funds so people could just a few days delayed,
still get food. So that's what I with The impact
was as far as I understand it here in my state,
but it was different in other places, and not everybody

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got their funds back right away because there's a period
of dispersal. Not everybody gets them on the same day,
so sometimes you may have to even though funds have
been restored, you may have to wait another week or
beyond to wait because they don't disperse it all at once.
But in addition to the legislation that reopened the government,

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there was also legislation that included provisions that would actually
have an impact on food safety, which is another big thing,
especially around Thanksgiving time. Be careful how you cook stuff
and who you allow to cook stuff and what methods
they are using. We don't want anybody getting any of
these food born illnesses and having to take a trip

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to the bathroom or the hospital or some other worse
place than that. But this provisions. These provisions would temporarily
prevent states from setting their own rules for which foods
can be labeled healthy, and also pause the implementation of
new liesteria regulations for low risk ready to eat foods. Yeah,

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who wants some lyesteria with your meal? Meanwhile, Health and
Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy's new dietary guidelines are
expected to be released next month that will end the
quote war on saturated fats and also stress the importance
of protein. We've also seen companies like Cheetos and Doritos

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and Pepsi remove the artificial dyes from their products. So
I mean it sounds like both of those things are
good things, removing saturated fats and artificial dyes from our diet,
especially if they have adverse health effects. But here's one
that will turn your stomach. Actually, in Canada, mutant meat

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may soon enter Canadian grocery stores. Apparently it can be
sold the products will soon well, they've been allowed to
be sold, but now there's a change in policy, so
these products can soon be sold without mandatory safety reviews
or labeling, and that may be coming to a store

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near you up in Canada. So forget about pre market
safety assessments and disclosure. They do not have to tell
you whether or not this is real or fake meat.
Consider that, especially if you are buying a meat for
Thanksgiving or Christmas or any other celebration, or just as

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a part of a regular diet. So with the access
being shut off to millions during this government shutdown, it
was a pretty stark reminder of how quickly a situation
like this could get out of control. I mean, talk
about something that just went on a couple of weeks.

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If this goes on much longer, and there should be
a revolt, people saying give me food, and give me
food now, they may go to places and can emit acts,
criminal acts, violent acts against others who have food, breaking
into homes, breaking into pantries, storage facilities, robbing drivers. I mean,

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the list goes on and on. Sadly, it is the
estate that we live in, somewhere between the paranormal and
the abnormal. I'm Jeremy Scott's tonight we think outside the food.

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Box into the pair of normal.

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Param wants to discuss tonight.

Speaker 7 (10:12):
Perhaps you're doing final preparations, getting ready to a stuff
the bird put it in the oven. Whatever the case
happens to be, whatever your job is, I usually like
doing the mashed potatoes. That's just my kind of thing.
But anyway, everybody's got a role to play in this.
Unless you're somebody who just is invited over for Thanksgiving

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dinner and you don't have to do much, you don't
even have to bring anything, well, then you come out
ahead in the whole situation. But whether whatever the case
happens to be a timely program that we'll discuss tonight.
Glad to have back on David Dubaine if you've not
heard him before. He has a studied food cycles throughout
history and how they affect food production. The host of

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the Adapt twenty three channel, also the Civilization Cycle podcast,
and author of Climate Revolution, The Grand Solar Minimum. Very
timely that we should have him on. David, welcome back.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Appreciate you having me back on, especially just before Thanksgiving
in this time where everybody celebrates food and harvest. You know,
through history we always celebrate the whole world celebrated, at
least in the northern hemisphere this time of the year
because food was coming in, it was abundant. They could
see how much food they had to take them through
the winter, and this is a very special time for humanity.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
We just take food for granted right now, but it
shouldn't be.

Speaker 7 (11:32):
And people didn't know two weeks ago, even maybe a
week ago, whether or not they were going to have
food on the table for Thanksgiving or where they were
going to go to get food.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, I don't know if that was just to bring
light to the abuses in the fraud and the waste
and also make everybody reapply for EBT benefits and then
really shake out the shysters for a better term and
get them back on more healthy foods, and you know,
cutting a lot of what was available purchased before, like
these junk foods and highly processed foods. And was it

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a wake up call for those paying attention that the
things you guaranteed supermarkets to have your food might not
be now. Perhaps they were targeting a segment of the
population to say, hey, it's not as stable as you
think it would be. But those with eyes and ears
to hear might take that as a more general message.
Maybe your supermarket just won't have everything all the time.

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Maybe that's the message also moving into twenty twenty six.

Speaker 7 (12:31):
So I mean, what's your read then on the shutdown?
There was some agenda to behind it, or it could
have been a test for something that you know, much larger,
much more prolonged, that could come at a later time.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Well, I think it's a soft messaging.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Is that digital ID is here for everybody that you're
the abuser of the EBT system guaranteed, we got to
put digital IDs in to stop those fraudsters. And most
people will go, yeah, applaud that we need digital ideas
for that. But at the same time, if we do
come to some sort of low food production time where
there would a war would do it. It doesn't have

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to be jet streams going out of their flows and
you know our precipitation patterns disturbed and our crop yields
globally down ten or twenty percent of a year.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
What if there was a war and that would bring
us back to let me hear the bell ding ding
ding dying.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
World War two fiftionados of history rationing. But this time
they're not going to give you a little paper cupon
book with your ration for two pounds of butter with
your stamp.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
It's going to be all digital.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
And is this what they were trying to get as
a larger messaging A your food and night might not
be a stable at the point where we freely can
go in and purchase if we have funds, but moving through.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
You're gonna need IDs and it might be tightly controlled.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
That's kind of some of the messaging, at least on
the wider scope they were trying to broadcast out because
they never start everything the same exact day to get
people into a new system.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
It's too much of a shock. I mean, COVID, it
was it, It did it. People were forced trained so quickly.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
But since COVID had run its course and they trained
everybody on instantly, how to you know, move all after
move right, stand in line, do this, jump back six feet,
it would be much more easy to implement a digital
rationing card or some sort of food rationing or this
type of stipend system because people just stand in line
again so quickly and be like, okay.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
I just need to eat. That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
People will do anything to feed their families. You saw
those insane videos saying we're going to rob your food
out in the supermarket parking lot if we can't go
in and buy it. My family needs to eat. And
that was such like a wake up call right there too,
that people will do anything to feed their families, anything.

Speaker 7 (14:39):
Robbing people as they come out of the store with
their goods, as they leave a food bank, as they're
just trying to enjoy a holiday with their family because
maybe they were fortunate to, you know, come upon the
means to do so. And here's someone desperate hanging out
in the parking lot. Who's going to take advantage of
the situation. That is a scary thought.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
That's just history in itself.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
We are so blessed and so thankful to be in
this period of quote unquote stability, like when you left
your village before. That's why people always traveled in bands
of five six men with the couple of children or women.
They just couldn't go by themselves anywhere. I mean, there
were bandits routinely everywhere. I mean, the chances of you
not getting robbed were so low at that point that's

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why law and order, and that's why you locked up
the house at nice.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
People didn't go playing around in the evenings.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
When you traveled from village to village, town to town back,
I say as little as four hundred years ago, three
hundred years ago, you took extreme caution. The forest far larger,
the animals were far more numerous, and the bandits were
also in and out so fast. Like banditry on the
roads and the trails and the networks of that was
a real thing, a real thing. So at a friend Craig,

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who he served in some and he was telling me
that they would establish zones, safe zones to go distribute food.
But as soon as the people that came in to
procure the food, once they left, they couldn't patrol the
roads where these people were going back to their villages,
and they were pounced on pretty much all the time.
After they were about a quarter mile a half mile
maybe sometimes a little more if they had line of

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site out. But as soon as they got past that
line of sight zone, they were.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Literally on their own.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
And the bandits are everywhere out there trying to pick
off their food that they just received from the US
government donations whatever that was that even happens today, So
would not happened here?

Speaker 4 (16:35):
I mean, could it not happen here?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well?

Speaker 7 (16:38):
I mean, you think about it, this was only two weeks.
Imagine if it did scretch into things giving. We certainly
have many people who are still food insecure because maybe
it took them a couple of weeks to get their
snap benefits or whatever the case happens to be. But
people would resort to such desperate measures if they needed to.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Well, wouldn't you jeremy serious?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
If you were starving to death, you had to get
food or steal from somebody or your family and one
of your family members going to die, you would you
not go the same direction?

Speaker 7 (17:13):
I mean, that's a that's a tough one, because the
tough one I know it is for all of us.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Hear it please?

Speaker 7 (17:20):
Morally, I mean, you're putting me up against the rock
in a hard place. But I appreciate it morally. Morally,
I couldn't know. I couldn't bring myself to do it.
But we would have to be thinking in a different mindset,
would we not?

Speaker 2 (17:35):
We would I'm gonna have to push you against a
rare earth rock right there by the way, and uh, yeah,
but I would ask that question out there that really,
how far and how hungry would you get? Because through history,
I'll tell you a story about World War two. There
was a girl that was working with the Allied forces
after World War Two and during the bread rationing at
this time in Germany. Uh, people would bring in jewelry

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and diamond ring and gold, gold necklaces, anything just to
trade for pieces of bread extra. And she had this
box that was probably about twice the size and the
regular height of a cigar box. And she called her
her like, you know, a dirty secret box, or she
had some name for it that didn't quite translate exactly
into English. But she never As she died and her

(18:20):
she her kids had found this, she left the note
with it.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
She's like, I was so guilty.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I could never ever sell any of this jewelry, even
if I needed the money, because the hardship those people
went through to trade diamond rings and gold just to
get a slice of bread. She's like, I couldn't do
it because the jewelry she got was over and above
what the ration cards were. So she was doing something
illegal semi by taking extra jewelry to give away extra bread.

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But she's like, these people needed that extra I knew
their families, I knew the kids that were there. They
needed that bread and they you know, I mean think
about this. History is just yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
No history is riddled with this. It is the norm,
not the exception.

Speaker 7 (19:02):
And it's not just people who are on food stamps,
as they say, on these snap benefits. Once the supply
chain is impeded and there's now a threat, anybody bringing
in food may decide their lives are in danger doing
so because it is so scarce. We are thinking outside

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the food box, that is for certain. Tonight, David Dubain
from adapt To twenty thirty and the Civilization Cycle podcast
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Speaker 7 (21:00):
Food assistants, benefits could.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Run out for roughly forty million Americans.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Millions of Americans who rely on government assistance living in limbo.
It's very emotional when you don't know how you're going
to feed yourself.

Speaker 9 (21:12):
Compared to last year, overall grocery prices have risen nearly
three percent.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Prices are up forty percent.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
America's food supply it may.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
Be at risk.

Speaker 9 (21:23):
Another piece of legislation eliminates rules created to prevent food contaminations,
food borne illness, and limit rules that regulate ultra processed foods.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
We are on the precipice of a global food crisis,
global food crisis crisis.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
When the lights go down, the strange comes out into
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Speaker 7 (21:46):
Well, in this case, you might go out at night,
as they say, to fend for yourself. In this situation
where a food box has never it's in more well
treated like gold, especially in today's climate. Talking with David Dubain,

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hosted The Damn twenty thirty channel and The Civilization Cycle podcast,
author of Climate Revolution, The Grand Solar Minimum. His website
to oilseedcromps dot org. You get more information there. But
a damning thought as we went to the break, which
was that, Okay, it's not just people hanging out at
food banks who are looking for a handout. Imagine that

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delivery drivers are now facing a threat to people hanging
out outside their vehicle wanting the goods, maybe wanting to
rob them for those goods. This could get very dire,
could be very dire quick, especially if it goes on three, four,
five weeks or longer.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I hate to say, David, your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Well, it depends on how long something like that. That
chaos that was created in ABT. It was a message
to everybody that something could go wrong.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
So you know it did stop.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
They partially funded, you know, next month in December first
everybody will get their full benefits minus those who had
to reapply because of the fraud. But if it were
too allowed to be going much longer, then we get
into the Okay, the exercise is real because at some
point they're going to require you to get a digital

(23:23):
ID to access food. Now you were talking about just
banditry on the road Venezuela. If you go back, say
three years or so, they had some real difficulty with
currency and people were robbing chickens on the highways. Literally,
they would stop a truck. You know, you've ever seen
one of those going down our highways. They got chickens
in small plastic cages. They're stacked up, probably a couple
thousand in the truck. But they were just stopping people

(23:45):
on highways. And you know when they did, like hundreds
and hundreds, multiple hundreds of people just like literally came
out of the woodwork, ripped the tarps off and just
started pulling those chickens out of the cages, just leaving everywhere.
They're like it was one of the most insane things
I've ever seen, and I was thinking, they're not really
even starving at the point of you know what we've
read about in World War Two with different sieges like

(24:06):
Lineningrad and stylin Grad, these types of you know where
they were actually eating the wallpaper paste off the back
of their wallpaper to stay alive and trading recipes on
how to boil leather belts at the time, like that's
the kind of desperation that went to we don't have
that luxury anymore. We can't even eat the paste off
of our wallpaper because it's so chemical these days. But

(24:27):
you know, the point being, if you're in the messaging
is food is going to get well strangered again. So
I would say grow your own, learn how to garden,
learn how to work with others, know where your farmers are,
because when it comes down to it, a food is
really that difficult to procure.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
The only one that's going to save yourself is yourself.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
And your famili's maintaining gardens to continue to be able
to eat and also trade your extra for something else
you're not growing. And it's been like that again through history.
We are just in this such lovely, amazing time where
we have supply chains now at the point where it's
nearly just in time first time in human history for
say twelve thousand years since the Younger Driest impact. And

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you know, if that were to disintegrate, then we're going to.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Go back to a pioneering lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
And the pioneers grew most of that stuff and they
traded what they couldn't grow themselves.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
So the barter system, basically.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
It was and it wasn't so much about a thing
for a thing.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
It was a skill for one hour traded for a
skill for another hour. So yeah, you got to think
about also your skill sets. What would you be able
to trade for a skill set for somebody in terms
of getting a physical good or the other way around.
Does not always have to be a thing for a thing.
It could be knowledge for an actual physical item.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Paying it forward.

Speaker 7 (25:50):
Your work could then say, if you were growing food,
feed x amount of people and then you are rewarded
with a little bit of food for you, your efforts
and on and on.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Could be with the community gardens. Then if they understand
how to save seed and then separate that seed, then
suddenly what you were growing just to eat becomes a
value product in itself, you know, so with the overage
of whatever is produced, and then they're going to be
working from one community to another community, maybe not just
your neighbor, but you know the other segments of neighborhoods
that are overproducing as well.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
And this is how this current system we have today
evolved out of. After we had better stability, more law
and order, and then through the late eighteen hundreds, all
those towns along the railways and newly established roads which
were horse carts and you know, horse tracks before those
people started to trade amongst each other on a more
frequent basis. And then it's just why don't we set

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up a factory here, and then we'll do it on
a you know, on a centralized level, and then.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
We'll distribute out.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
But just before we hit that factory production level, we
were at the point where if we would have stayed there,
pretty much every thing could have been handled.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Except for some high text and you know this sort
of thing.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
But forty percent of all vegetable all food produced in
America forty percent four zero that we ate during the
World War two was produced at the home garden level.
So you got to look at realize that HM forty percent,
that's quite the large number. That would alleviate a lot
of stress. And where's my food coming from? If we
were producing forty percent of everything we ate today in

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America in local gardens, community gardens. I mean, it's a
different way to think about the trajectory we're going. I
hate the way the government just says your food's in jeopardy,
but they give us no training.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
They give these people to the EBT, to food stamps,
but they.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Don't give them any training on even how to grow lettuce,
the simplest thing ever to grow. They don't teach them
how to grow micro greens or do anything with a
hand to seed. You can buy those beans at anyplace,
black eyed peas. You get them for like a dollar
for a pound. You can grow a heap of microgreens
out of that and they're super tasty. That not even
the most basic training on what you can get in
a supermarket and sprouted out and turned it into micro

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greens for nutritious foods.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
That's not even they're not even giving that base.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
You could give it to them in a pamphlet and
if somebody wanted to do training for neighborhoods. Perhaps you
have to do the training before you can get the
reup on the cards. But none of this is you
just got to rely on the system. Rely on the system.

Speaker 7 (28:18):
Yeah, I mean, how have we come to get to
this point of forty two million people in the US
twenty two million households and you know, no disrespect to
those who rely on this, but but how have we
come to you know, the point we are?

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Well, I have to think it's part schooling system. Uh,
the way that you.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Know, if you're older, if you're going to say fifty
years or older, then you understood a completely different world
of work ethic and what was the respected expected of
you of just for like the base operation of how
you had to exist in our world is very very
different than it is today. If people just don't want
to work, I don't want to work, well that was
unacceptable when I was growing up.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
You just did.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
You could not even say that.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
People would look at you like you got purple heads,
and they would scream you get to work, like there's
none of this, Oh be kind and DEI and everybody
equhile and look about their feelings. Now that was like you, oh,
you don't want to work. You're crazy, you're going to work.
You know people would just that wasn't really a thought
to tell people I'm too lazy, I don't want to work.
You go to work for me because you're paying taxes,
and your taxes are going to feed me and my kids.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Like that was kind of that was unacceptable.

Speaker 7 (29:23):
Gotta pause. Heavid do buying our guest tonight into the
pair of normal. I'm Jeremy Scott.

Speaker 8 (29:38):
Into the pair of the pair of.

Speaker 7 (29:49):
H I mean, personally, I don't like to see anybody
be without. I don't want anybody to be starving. It
does break my heart. I've been in line over the

(30:10):
past couple of weeks because you know, I have to
get goods too, coming to the store and seeing individuals
not being able to pay for their goods. I don't
wish that on anybody, but it is the state that
we are on. And so a situation where I mean,
say the internet is down and you can't access those funds.

(30:32):
The power is out, so the stores can't open, you
can't buy the goods. The system is a shutdown because
of a government shutdown. There's no funding for it. I mean,
the list goes on and on and now panic starts
to set in when the first of the month comes.

(30:52):
People get their their food and benefits and they can
go to the store and purchase those items, feed the
themselves in their families, and especially with holidays coming up. Yeah,
it's just not a good position for anybody to be in.
But we're trying to get you to think outside the
box tonight. Not everybody can be self sufficient. There are

(31:18):
many who rely on this, and we've been talking about
it with David to Baying tonight. So this could have
been a test for a much larger situation here, whether
this was orchestrated or not, to see how the public responds.
In many cases, communities were stepping forward, so while people

(31:44):
on food stamps weren't able to go to the store
and buy food. And by the way, we were seeing
less meat available, not because people were buying it. Stores
were just not purchasing as much because customers weren't coming
in and buy that because many of them did so.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
On food stamps. So there was a ripple effect to this.

Speaker 7 (32:05):
And then you talk about community organizations and people who
are well off stepping forward to feed the needy and donating.
They would then use those resources by going to the
store and purchasing items that may have they made it
not of ordinarily purchased, but doing it for somebody who
was in need. So a different cycle of food. And

(32:30):
you've studied these food cycles, David, So your thoughts on
the impact of the food cycles just based on the
shutdown itself, Well.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
You call that corporate welfare where some of these companies'
bottom lines have been hit because unbeknownst to me, until
I started to do a few videos and do some
research on all of this, I didn't realize a company
like Walmart and Target, Amazon, through Whole Foods, Kroger are
some of the largest recipients of EBT purchase. So that

(33:03):
in itself funnels money into certain corporations where most of
these people would then go in and buy.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
And I didn't know that you could buy online.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
You could get lobster online delivered from my Whole Foods
because it was EBT eligible. And I'm looking at this
going wait a second, You're allowed to get all of
this and you can order online and.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Get it delivered to your home.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
That's just far over you know, your way over the
range on that one where it was acceptable verse that stuff.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Delivered your house. I can't even do that.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
You know, I'm not paying somebody to come up to
my house and give that extra money for them to
go shop around the storm pick up my cart full
of stuff and bring it up.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
That's insane.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
And you could do that on EBT though, And you
know they kind of lost the plot on that.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
You know what, what's it?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
You know, before the break you were talking about what's acceptable,
and I was just going backtrap for a second in
my day and age, that was unacceptable for you to
say I don't want to work. It is acceptable now,
And I'm wondering, uh, moving forward then?

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Where or do as it go? It's kind of like
a sine wave.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
You know, we're at the top there it's unacceptable, and
now we're at the bottom of the wave where it's, oh,
it's totally acceptable, you can do.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
And then I'm wondering where it moves from here.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Because something the visuals or the visualization or the awareness
caused most of that system to break. So the old
system as it was a few weeks ago or a
few months ago is a humpty dumpty. It's not going
to come back in its exact same form again. You
could maybe super glosen pieces together. But there are going
to be so many changes with the program. It alerted

(34:31):
so many people to the abuse and fraud.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Now there's just so many more people looking around and
you know the things you can't buy.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
So if you can't buy potato chips and sodas and
just sort of heavily processed food, then take me down
the corporate ladder who's producing a lot of that. Who's
the main producer of that type of food?

Speaker 4 (34:50):
General Mills?

Speaker 2 (34:50):
You know, you got to go through a few of these,
and will their shareholders be hit because the EBT recipients
aren't allowed to buy that type of food anymore because
they were or percentage of that type of purchase of
ultra processed foods. Now, if that you know, leg of
the whole food pyramid gets knocked over, then how do
corporate earnings get hit because the government's not subsidizing that,

(35:12):
but they're still subsidizing you know, fresh food vegs, bake
at home things from Walmart, get a pound of flour
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
They don't even give cooking classes to the people that
receive benefits.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I know, if you're going to get it and you're hungry,
you should be buying in bulks you can prepare at home.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
You should be preparing home cooked meals.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Where you know you buy a pound of this, a
pound of that, you can make several meals out of it,
not get one microwaved dinner that costs three times as much.
Like there's got There's massive shifts to the system going on,
and I.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Just don't know how.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
The recipients are going to be able to respond to
that and adjust to it. But I think we're also
just being soft set up to accept different ways for
us to access food in the general public, even if
you can afford it or not. I see that your
direction going everybody, But he's talking digital ID. They're curtailing
what we can and how we can move around the planet.

(36:06):
They're starting carbon credits for the amount of input into
your food, Like in the UK they put how many
kilograms of carbon on the packaging now on the product,
Like they had a sandwich nice like ham sandwhich it
was eight kilograms And they're like, your whole allotment for
a whole day is one hundred right, so you bought
almost ten percent of your full allotment in the future

(36:26):
of one hundred kg per day. Of CO two that
one sand which was eight kilograms. So they're starting to
mark this up and we're getting into the system here
of why is it going to be so tightly controlled?

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Is my question.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I know we could see the end result, we see
where it's going, but why is it going to be
so tightly controlled?

Speaker 4 (36:44):
That is my main number one question.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
What is the event that is going to happen that
it's going to cause so much disruption that food is
going to be that controlled. We're not there yet, but
we're creeping quickly toward it. But why why do we
need that much controller for food?

Speaker 5 (37:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (37:02):
And what would that actually look like? I mean, would
it be armed guards at some of these locations, like
say the National Guard or something like that, you know,
checking cards? I mean you've talked about, you know, food
rationing and ID cards for many years now.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Yeah, Well, how far did it go out of control?

Speaker 2 (37:24):
That was in the news for everybody to see around
different supermarkets, walmarts, targets, this sort of thing just generally
in the United States during that time, with thousands of
those videos coming out encouraging others to go steal and
flash mob at certain stores at certain times, you know,
was that was that a psychological test to see how
many people would really go to that level even though

(37:46):
their benefits just went down for a two week period,
to see what to what the participan patient rate might
have been, and then they could gauge that out as
some sort of you know, sociological experiment.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Okay, if we let it run for three weeks, that'll
reach this percent.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
If we're let it go for a full month, it'll
it'll reach this based on what their data flow was
from that two week event and the number of videos
and the number of people and arrests and that sort
of there has to be some sort of ratio with that.
They learned a lot from this, and not only that,
but the people who would stand up, like the regular
law abiding citizen, Like how many of them actually had

(38:20):
altercations in the store, Like, bro.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
You're not leaving with that? You got to put that back.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
A lot of store employees had that, a lot of
just regular people that I've seen some videos had interaction
in that same level there. So again, it's all information
that be gleaned about how much of the law abiding
citizen population would stand up, how much of the thuggery
population would continue their nefariousness and theft and that sort

(38:46):
of thing, and just the general participation rate on both
sides of that in this event, even though it didn't
go as far as it could, it just went on.
That's like just barely dip the toe in the water.
I mean, how much information could you glean from that
alone before any real event occurred.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
It was just the thought of the event occurring.

Speaker 7 (39:04):
And now the event has occurred and hopefully more minds
are open to this. David, what's your website? How can
folks follow you as we head to our break.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Here Civilizationcycle dot com. So we mentioned moving over to
the website for this podcast, So Civilizationcycle dot com.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
That's the Civilization Cycle podcast right there.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
You can get our show notes for every Thursday night
when we run our live show as well. And uh again,
it's just it's the player in there and then a
way for people to communicate.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
What are the solutions? Is the kind of where we're
going at? What are these solutions?

Speaker 2 (39:36):
We have all these problems we're talking about, but what
are the solutions that we can implement so we can
stay outside the system and being grabbed by the tentacles
of this system For at least a little bit longer.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
All right.

Speaker 7 (39:48):
Civilizationcycle dot com is David's website paramormal radio dot com.

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You can get the links there as well to our
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(42:09):
du Bidendt tonight his website Civilizationcycle dot com, host of
the Civilization Cycle podcast and also author of the book
Climate Revolution, The Grand Solar Minimum. Amongst the vote to
reopen the government back on the twelfth was some legislation

(42:30):
that also affected food safety. Folks may not be aware
about that. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Speaker 8 (42:38):
David?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
In your opinion, Well, it depends whose industry you're talking about.
Because they turned any hemp and CBD products illegal again,
they put that back on the Schedule one list. But
they had built up an industry for you know, ten
plus years, allowing people to get into that entire new

(42:59):
product line for a better term. It interfered with some
industries as.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
It always did.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
You know that what movie, you know, Reformatus back in
nineteen thirties, because so many people were producing hemp oil
for their cars and burning and creating their own motor
oils and the building materials from the time as well,
interfering with a lot of different products. So the things
they always slide in when you have these votes here
is kind of a little ridiculous on the spending bills

(43:26):
because they should be disassociated with that, they should be
voted on one by one. But the us DA and
the you know, these different kind of agencies that are
supposed to, you know, help us.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
In the Food Safety and the FDA.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
There's so many toxic and poisonous products out there that
should have never ever gone through anywhere.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
A lot of them banned in Europe but still allowed
in the United States.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
So these agencies that say they're protecting you, I just
I don't get it. You know, there's so many toxins
they allow in the food supply. And you know, I
wanted to talk about America's largest meat supply closing.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Vast beef.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Beef processing plants are closing as well. This is the
one of the largest in America, Tyson. I'm sure everybody's
heard of that they're closing their number one largest plant
in Lexicon, Nebraska, and they're citing that livestock is the
lowest since the nineteen fifties. But again on the very

(44:22):
fine print. What they try to do is say, well,
if we can't have the cattle and livestock that you're
used to in the traditional like cowboys sense of getting
it out on the range and grazing it and bringing
it into or put them in the feed lots whenever,
you know, however they do it. They now want to
go to bioengineered meat, which means they take the blood

(44:42):
from the animal, from one animal, and they put it
in petri dishes and then they grow that cell culture
back into a muscle or something resembling a muscle. So
you have to think about the way they're looking at it,
is the amount of space to grow one cow, to
continuously pull blood from to then create all these bioengineered

(45:04):
meats is supposedly much more efficient than having let's say
a million cattle out in our Midwest grow belts that
are being fed from the corn there and traditionally that
area all up and down Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, this whole
area down into Texas is a cattle It's a cattle belt.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
They're saying, oh, it's done so much damage and environmentally
we need to go now. And they're not milking cows
in the traditional sense of milk. They're milking cows for
their plasma and red blood to then put in megafactories
on peatrie dishes to grow and not peachri did, but
they have industrial size.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Lab grow facilities. Now, this is the direction they want
to take it, So shutting down and then how safe
do you think that? Is?

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Never been tested on, you know, twenty thirty year human
trials or anything. It says that, well, it came from
an animal, still part of an animal, we'll eat it
like an animal. And that meat glue too, should be
good stuff. This is the direction they want to take us.
And that was snuck in that bill too, along with
knocking the knees out of all the hemp growers out there,
so you know, they got two for one on that

(46:15):
at least in this go around. So I don't know
if you would agree or disagree anybody out there listening
about the FDA really trying to protect you and the
USDA in there really trying to make sure that all
the meats that you get are pure and clean because
the things they're allowed to put in them and their
life cycle from you know, well, first born as a
calf all the way standing on the weight scale at

(46:36):
the end there, it's actually franken food and atrocious that
they would even let that go out to be consumed
by a human.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
But I digress, Jeremy, right, is I want to go
too far on that?

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah? Yeah, what is Canada doing?

Speaker 7 (46:51):
Because I mean it does seem like they're pushing us
towards the synthetic route, synthetic meat, synthetic produce of the kind.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
They are.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Well, that's not just us. It seems to be a
global phenomenon.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
Put this down. And here's another thing too.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
You know, looking back in history, if you go backtually,
I'll even go like eight thousand years back, not on
the way twelve thousand because we didn't have really established societies,
but five thousand years will come somewhere around that era,
you know the class You know, if you think of
Egyptians and Sumerians and Hittites and Babylonians.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Okay, that plus a little bit far back.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
If you come all the way and stretch from history
from that point all the way until today, never in
human history have all countries united under one umbrella and
moved like a school of fish with the same protocols.
The same laws and that same movement to a certain
direction except for COVID and now again on the digital
ID and the lab grown foods along with the carbon

(47:50):
credit rationing agendas that are coming in. So those are
all kind of wrapped into a triple helix. There only
twice in human history as that happened, And you have
to ask again, what is it about the food that
they need to do. They know there's some sort of
massive event. I wouldn't say a commentary impact that's going
to wipe out, you know, all the flora and fauna

(48:10):
on the northern half of our world or the southern
half of the world, but something that would be of
such large proportion that there literally won't be large animals
grazing any longer because of either a volcanic eruption that
blocks out the skies and a year without a summer globally,
or some kind of massive event towards that direction that
we're going to have to grow everything in labs. We're
gonna have to do everything in factories, and it's all

(48:31):
going to be from the It's really going to be
from a quote unquote base animal source. But everything from
this point forward, including your fish, that's all lab grown.
Now chicken their lab growing any kind of chicken products.
That's what McNuggets are using now, lab grown. And then
we got Campbell's soup coming out and they're saying they're
all using, you know, bioengineered meats and their soups and GMO.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
Fillers and all these things.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
It's just strange how the entire planet's gravitating that way
as well, all of a tract, all of it traced,
and all of it not natural at least in my opinion.
I really don't think bioengineered food with food glues and
meat glues and stuff is natural. I would consider that, hey,
because it came from a genetically modified source of food
stuff anyway to begin with. So you're already tinkered with

(49:16):
nature by changing at least something in there on its
natural genome. So that doesn't even that's why they can
patent it. It's no longer that same plant that just
grew wild that they couldn't patent. You know, they tinker
around in there, change a couple of DNA sequences. Gene
over here, gene over there. Oh, it's a new plant.
We can patent it. Now you need to buy the
seed from us controlling the farmers. And you know, if

(49:38):
I might say one more thing, has anybody been following
this story here off of AGUEB.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Well, actually all the agricultural journals were picking it up.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
There was a multi state grain depot and what they
would do is one of the largest ones out of Omaha, Nebraska.
It's called Hansen Mueller. They filed for Chapter eleven bankruptcy. Well,
what there is a grain size I low operators that
stretch across six states.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
In the middle of our grain belt.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
So let's say you have a thousand acres as a farmer,
You'll take that corner the soy bean in there.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
They will bill it up for you.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
You'll deposit that grain in there, and then the checks
will be cut some period of time after that delivery
has been made because the rail car is just rock.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
You have to tell us what's happening to that when
we come back David Dubine with.

Speaker 8 (50:25):
Us into the pair of normal pair of.

Speaker 7 (50:41):
Food is on a lot of people's minds right about
now we're talking about it with David Dubine. What were
you saying about the grain situation.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Well, in addition to the cattle herds being the lowest
in fifty years and taking that over to bio engineered,
lab grown protein sources of beef. Hanson Mueller the nation's
one of the nation's largest grain merchandisers. Miller's processors, grain
storage facilities. They filed for Chapter.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Eleven, and there are about one hundred thousand farmers. Now,
you know, if you're on a small landholder fifty or
one hundred acres, you're not going to be too hurt.
But when you're coming out and you're at one thousand
acres or two thousand acres, they have some almost three
thousand farmers that have more than a thousand acres that

(51:33):
have put grain into this whole company system where they take.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Your grains in, they weigh it, and then after it
is sold, and then the bill of sale comes back
from their end buyer, then they pay the farmers out.
It's been like this forever revolving door of credit. But
these farmers are not going to be able to pay back.
There's no way they can get this money. They've already
deposited their grain. So all the money for maturation planting,

(52:00):
I'm seeing, you know, upkeep pesticides, all the machinery, upkeep,
all that's been spent, but there's going to be no
payback from all that grain that came in because they
did a Chapter eleven on that. So currently there's at
least five hundred million dollars that should have been paid
to farmers that is not going to be And you
might go, WHOA, that's crazy Louisiana, Mississippi, Kansas, Kansas, Arkansas, Nebraska.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
But this is the second time it's happened. So two
of the top three in America have gone Chapter eleven
that are holding everybody's grains that grew through the year
are not going to be getting paid. So do the
knock back on that. And who's there to scoop up
their land? They're not going to be.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Who they're going to confiscate their farm equipment because they're
they're going to get behind on their other payments for that.
You know, you start to look at there's some serious
cracks in the food system right now in this one
here Hanson, Mueller, h A N S C N hyphen
m U L yeah, m U E L L E R.
These grain processors are I think the hidden link that

(52:59):
might take down the system because when the farmers can't
get paid, they can't pay their other suppliers in turn
for the fuel for like I say, the fertilizers, for
the different herbicides and pesticides, and you know that maintenance
on the tractors and the equipment, and their hands, the
farm hands.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
They can't pay any of that, So.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Then those that would receive payment can't pay those and
it just keeps stepping down and further further back it goes.
And it's the second one this year to have that
happen too. So what's happening with our farms? I don't
see Trump talking about this, assuring us that our farmers
are going to get paid for our grain. Silo operators
going Chapter eleven on two of the three largest in America.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
This is a big problem people are not talking about.

Speaker 7 (53:42):
Or what if the farmer takes a bailout, say from
the government or from some wealthy individual or organization to
just get out of the farming business, and then you
replace that farm with one of these synthetic operations and.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
There you go, or a data center if they have
the water print it. Yeah, well, a lot of these.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Excuse me, Jeremy didn't just need to talk over there,
but a lot of these large farms anything two thousand
to five thousand, ten thousand acre farms. They all have
their own water rights on it, So the amount of
water coming out of there, depending on the flow on
the rivers or what they're pulling from the aquifers or
in conjunction of boat, that would definitely be enough to
satiate some of the data center's needs. So I'm looking

(54:29):
at it as if they wipe out the farmers, you
have these vast tracks of open land already graded flat.
They don't need to spend any money on that, very
close access to a lot of these have power plants
built close to it because they need operations for dehydrating.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
And it's just powers already there.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Water's already there, graded land is already there by the
hundreds of thousands of acres. And what do we keep
hearing again about data center? Data center?

Speaker 4 (54:51):
They need this.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
They use the same resources as humans. They need electric,
they need water, and they need land. And who's going
to buy that if all these farmers are put out
of business?

Speaker 4 (55:04):
You fill in the blank formingtill gates. I don't know,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I'm just I don't have the answer, But somebody at
that level black Rock, Blackstone whoever it might be that
comes in there on that large acquisition of land purchase
is then going to take that maybe divvy some offer
a neighborhood or something like this, or a factory, and
then they're going to pull in a data center if
they get the right water, if the correct water rights
on that at the at the acre feet or the

(55:28):
QB meter flow that they need.

Speaker 7 (55:31):
Right, Okay, So Canada is what moving forward with this
mutant meat?

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Right? Yes?

Speaker 2 (55:39):
And they don't even have to tell the consumer that
they are mutant meeting it for a better term, They
don't have to inform the consumer that this is in
the food supply. And I thought that was a travesty myself,
because you go into a story, you might think that
you know something is in there that looks pure and healthy,
and with the stake cloks because if they can get

(56:00):
the coloring right and the marbling right, you're be like, damn,
that's a damn looking good piece of meat. But it's
all artificial at that point, and there's no labeling or
required as have yet.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Maybe people will put.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Up big enough stink where they'll make them required to
do that, but as far as I've seen it, so far, nothing.

Speaker 7 (56:18):
Could artificial meat excel certain illnesses, say like cancer or
other illnesses as there. I mean it maybe speculation because
you know, synthetic meat isn't largely on the market and
there hasn't been testing done. But you know, if they're
putting bad stuff into it and there's been testing on

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that bad stuff, then maybe there's a correlation.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yeah, they haven't done any human testing long enough because
even this technology for what we consider the newest bioprinting
that we have for bioengineered meats, has not been around
long enough to do any real human tests on it.
But withsterior rats, I would encourage everybody out there, if
you have the time to take a look at wisterio
rats health implications eating bioin engineered meats, and then you could,

(57:06):
you know, go a little granule like bioengineered chicken, bioengineered beef.
You know, but at so far, at those lab studies,
as far as it's gone for safety, and again I
would not even trust the FDA to step forward with
the billion dollars in lobbying and how the revolving door
goes from the FDA over onto a corporate board seat

(57:27):
and then back again. Or you know, once they revolve
through that industry, they're put into corporate positions and then
they have those ears, eyes and contact and rollodex back
into the FDA. And it doesn't seem that anything ever
is removed from the market or not approved unless it
really has some benefit for humanity. So I'm looking at

(57:48):
the hemp thing going all right, hemp is very beneficial
for sleep, and I'll just leave it at that. We
won't go into anything deep here, but I want, you know,
keep it on the goods Family Friendly program.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Everybody. We're just going to talk about sleep.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
But you know, number one thing around the world is
people not being able to sleep correctly.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Sleep's disrupted. Everybody's got problems with sleep. But CBD seems.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
To have a very smooth, non addictive way of putting
people and allowing them very deep, RESTful sleep. And you know,
again and again to stories by the millions of people
using CBD to go to sleep and using that for
a sleep aid, and they're like, man, I have the
best sleep I ever had. I'm really feeling more rejuvenated,
my body's feeling healthier because I'm having better, deeper sleep,

(58:32):
you know, And then suddenly that's they're taking that completely
off the market and making it illegal.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
So anybody that has.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Bottles of that right now or some caplets this time
next year, that'll be classified as a Schedule one again,
and you will absolutely go to prison if you were
to be found with this benign sleep product that it
was legal the year before. So something's very wrong with
what's considered safe, and we're trying to protect the American people.

(58:57):
It's not it's corporate interest only in my opinion, you know,
it's just my opinion on this.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
And so.

Speaker 7 (59:05):
When the executive of Campbell's Soup says, look, we're feeding people,
sh I t this is printed, you know, with a printer.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
I don't know. Should we take that, should we believe that,
or should we believe what Campbell's is saying, which is
that no, this is totally real stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Then it was a rogue vice president. So I got
the newest one here. Just before we got on the show.
This was released, and just a few hours ago Campbell's
fires executive secretly recorded saying that it's soups are full
of bio engineered meats. So I'm looking at it as
damage control because think of this. Now they're telling people

(59:51):
mocking you. We're giving you GM ingredients that possibly could
interfere with your gut and your lining in your stomach
and you know, get that whole leaky gut syndrome.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
LUs.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
We're giving you bioengineered meats which haven't been tested on
humans efficiently enough, and good luck.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
It's like it's like.

Speaker 7 (01:00:07):
Well, it sounds like a home cooked Thanksgiving meals what
we all need right about now? Keep the GMOs out
of it, David Devine on into the pair of normal.

Speaker 8 (01:00:15):
I'm Jeremy scut.

Speaker 9 (01:00:23):
Some of your favorite foods, maybe of those a serious health.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Rest, healthy.

Speaker 8 (01:00:30):
Cattle soup executive going on at a tirade about the
coming food and the people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Who eat it for poor people.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
How would you like to eat last grown meat?

Speaker 9 (01:00:47):
Meat from cloned animals will soon be hitting grocery store shelves,
and new hell Candida regulations will all require meat producers
to label whether the beat or pork is coming from
a cloned animal.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
Pair ofnormal. It's part pair of normal and part abnormal.
There's nothing ordinary about what's on your speakers. Into the
pair of normal with Jeremy Scott.

Speaker 7 (01:01:16):
Maybe not a conversation you want to have around the
dinner table at Thanksgiving, but certainly a conversation you might
want to have with those you love at one point
or another. Our guest tonight on into the Pair of
Normal is David Dubine of the Civilization Cycle podcast. So

(01:01:36):
how long before liab grown turkeys are on our Thanksgiving
dinner plate?

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
And would we even know? Or maybe it's a Turduccan.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
They're already there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
And if you invite me for Thanksgiving dinner anybody, that's
going to be an interesting dinner, I guarantee you I'll
get into it with the relatives, have those conversations.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
And you know that part that you had there talking
about cloned meat, that is such a false statement that
they're telling you there cloned means like Dolly the sheep,
where you get one, you clone it and here comes
another one. Right, that's what you're getting in your mind.
They're going to take it all the way to maturation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
From a cell, all the way through the pregnancy, and
then bring it up to a full animal again and
then you're going to get your meat. It's not like
that they're using the blood in plasma from that one
animal to clone it. Literally in dishes with a substrate
of a protein grown substrate, right, and that's how they
get the meat.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
It is not cloned.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I mean, I guess in the loosest possible sense of
cloning something.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
On a cellular level.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
They are cloning cells, but they're not cloning an animal.
They're cloning the cells. And that's why I'm saying it's
so much more efficient.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
You could probably get a million times the amount of
beef off of one animal by running it through the
bioengineered rout and using the blood to clone that to
create a protein lab grown dish. Source.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Yeah, you know, scales of efficiency. May you know, I'll
be generous one hundred thousand times.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
That's what they're looking at. They're going to try to
gaslight you the whole way of what this thing is.
So words are very important in this argument here, incredibly important.
They've already set us up as a clone, as a
one equals one from the parent specie. It is not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
We're at the cellular level. And please understand that they're
using the blood to grow a new, uh you know,
set of muscle in a dish that is then glued
together with other pieces and then takes the shape of
a steak and then it's wrapped in plastic, sprayed with
pink slime, and then put out into the supermarket for
you to eat.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Incredibly different.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
So again, you know this kind of conversation around that
Thanksgiving table, somebody would be like, Dave in here a
little munch, but give them another glass of Pino gresio.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
He's a.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Or a sleeping pill, one of the two.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
Yeah, right, keep in the turkey. That's why everybody gets sleepy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
And Jeremy, they are they already have they already have
bioengineered turkey.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
They have pretty much every type of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Bioengineered meats that are sort of the larger mainstream meats,
not like quail or anything yet, but in the turkeys, chicken,
that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Takes so dang long to thiw out and cook.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
We get our hams so, for example, I buy live
animals from the Amish and then we take them to
an Amish butcher and we get everything done.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Like when we freeze our hams.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
They're about fifteen pounds each, but they take a good
day and a half or longer to dethaw just enough
for us to get it in the oven warm it up,
so then we can get into it with.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
The knife there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Once that thing's frozen, you're looking at, you know, a
good fifteen pounds solid frozen one, a solid twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
Four hours or a little longer, even more than.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
To untaw that because I made the same mistake a
couple of years ago. We got the Amish, you know,
we got our hog butchered up, and I had this
beautiful ham and it was smoked up in there in
their chimneys, and it was wow, you know, handmade hands
smoked hams from the Amish.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
But I had frozen in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
I took it up, and I thought, oh, okay, twelve
hours will be enough, and it surely wasn't. It was
only it was still really rock hard in the middle.
So if you're gonna unthaw that, give it a full
twenty four to thirty six hours. And I don't know
why it takes so long to get in and dethaw
the center of that thing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:05:27):
Any other Thanksgiving a cooking tips or recipes you'd like
to share with the audience.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
We mention elderberry syrup.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
We got about six elderberry bushes out in our front
yard and we mixed and created this incredibly health tonic
coffer leaving syrup out of just elderberries. So notice your
wild foraging is a good thing to understand as well.
There's a lot of wild forgeables out there that you
can turn into different types of syrups and jellies right

(01:05:59):
now because service bearries are out everywhere here too. These
like bright pink berries not very tasty on their own,
but they can turn into some incredible jams. So if
you're looking for something dynamite to bring to a Thanksgiving dinner,
like hand pick service berries or handpick you know whatever
kind of wild blueberries and turn it into a jam
and bring it by, people will be blown away. A
you could do it by hand, but b that it

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came from a natural source that wasn't grown using the
traditional pesticide, herbicide, fungicide root and the taste is also
just completely different off a naturally raised product than it
is off a store bought you know, since when I
wouldn't say it's this acaic, but just that full supply
chain of depleted soils to grow it. So if you're
looking for something like that, pick your own, make your

(01:06:42):
own gifted as your own.

Speaker 7 (01:06:46):
Yeah, so, David, sustainable living, growing our own food. You
certainly have maybe mastered this, but certainly you know what
you're talking about when it comes to this, because this
is kind of how you live. So how do you
would you say, we start growing, which allows us then
to you know, be less reliant on the stuff that

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they're sending through the food supply chain.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
I'm not a master.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
You could live for five hundred years and still not
be a master of understanding nature.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
It's complex.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
I've made probably ten times more mistakes than I have successes.
But I look at it as ten different ways not
to do that same thing until I get it right. Finally,
So if you're going to come at it from that,
oh I got it wrong, this thing will never work.
The mind frame is going to be the very first
most important thing you have to understand. The best in
the world, they all make mistakes when they're gardening. Nature

(01:07:41):
is finicky. You have to know where. So if you
have a house, like where's your light going to be
in the morning, the afternoon, in the evening, like what
are your soils?

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
You have to bring soil in? Do you need to
get some composts in there? And you want to get
some early successes. So do something that's real easy to grow,
like the lettuces, you know things like that. It's almost
no Yeah, you put seeds in, it's gonna come up.
You know, kales, that sort of thing, super easy to grow.
Core lobby, these kind of really heavy, dense, thick greens
that grow in these winter months or the fall months.

(01:08:12):
But then again, like micro greening, early easy win for you.
If you just learn how to soak the seeds and
rinse them every day a couple times a day, you're
gonna watch them crack open and after six seven days
you're gonna have these long green shoots coming out that
are so delicious.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
I highly suggest black eyed peas.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Those are the ones that are white with that little
black dot on the top of the bean.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Those are incredibly delicious. Uh, they grow fast.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Again, it's a there's some beans that are real difficult
to sprout out to get them into microgreens or whatever,
but those black eyed peas, a kindergartener could do it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
It's an early win.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
And once you can get those early winds, you can
build the confidence on being able to go to another
step of something else a little bit more complex. I
mean I'm going to live with the rest of my
life trying to work a little more complex and complex.
You know, you never stop learning, But the basic is
where's the sunlight. Your mind's got to be in the
right frame that I make mistakes, I can correct it.

(01:09:06):
We'll do something better next time. And then again, the
right kind of seed choice is in the very beginning
to know that you can do it, because when you
see it come up, you're like, damn, I did that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
Look at all that food, Look at all that salad
that's there. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
And then from that point your mind just blows wide
open to WOA, if I could do it, Let's do
the next thing. And then you get real kind of
excited to continue to expand. And as soon as you
get that, you're going to be excited to tell people.
And I guarantee you you're going to find at least
one other person that does it, and then that conversation
can start, and then you can start comparing information and
maybe even helping each other, because two hands can get

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way more done than one pair of hands.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
It's a very fulfilling, filling, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
David.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
It's kind of like you can what is this saying?
About teaching someone to fish.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Yeah, teach them to grow some food, Teach them to garden,
same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Yeah, more to come.

Speaker 7 (01:09:56):
We'll wrap it up with David do buy in the
night before Thanksgiving, talking food, thinking outside the box, the
food box tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
I'm Jeremy Scott's.

Speaker 7 (01:10:26):
I'm Jeremy Scott, somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
We hope all of you have a wonderful Thanksgiving, that
you are with those that you love, or at least
love for the moment, and that everybody is a fed
and that nobody goes hungry this Thanksgiving. That is our
wish to all. And that there's not a lab grown

(01:10:49):
turkey or turduccan or ham or any other form of
synthetic meat on your Thanksgiving table, that is our wish.
Talking with David do Buine tonight, We've got about ten
minutes or so left in the program. David, anything else
you'd like to discuss with the audience, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Yeah, thanks for having me on tonight, and I get
to share some ideas with you all here now.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
The food is the most important thing in our world.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Literally, without food, we don't even have any society or
any civilization. And if you go back through the past
and you go back several thousand years, you'll find that
when you can see the rise and fall of civilizations,
and it was based on the amount of.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
Available food that they had. Because if we're in a warm,
abundant time for food production, there's extra calories, and those
extra calories allow people to live more easy lives and
they have the time to solve problems and create. And
this is you know, these abundance periits.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
But then we come into the dark ages periods when
food production is very minimal.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
It's always the weather patterns are off.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
They just can't get quite the right amount of yield
coming out, so that the populations decline, and also there's a
stagnation of all parts of anything mathematics, science, invention, writing,
or anything that you can think of in a modern day.
That's you know, when people have extra time they can
create and then that abundance that comes out of that

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in the new ways to think about. But in a
food lean time, you're just back in just covering the
basis for the basics to stay alive. There's no extra
time to do all that fun stuff that the other.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Previous warm period. People's had to explore with So if
food is this important that governments go to war over it,
governments try to control citizens.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Over it, it can be turned off or on at a
moment's notice. We saw how COVID went. It should be
a wake up call for most people, especially after this
EBT incident, that you're going to be way, way, way
more responsible for what you're going to be able to be.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
Able to grow.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
You're gonna have to take your own food sovereignty back,
like we gain that away after World War two, and
earlier in the program, I was saying forty percent of
all the food consumed in America during World War two
was grown in family gardens or community gardens across America.
They took that away from us. They got us onto
the supermarkets. Oh that's old school, that's old stuff. Your
grandma did that. Why would you grow your own food.

(01:13:17):
It's cheaper to buy it in the supermarket, easier, You
got all this extra free time if you don't garden.
They really took us away from that in schooling and
just you know, general society and messaging through popular media.
But why is that they wanted us separated from the
food on a system that can be controlled because if
they do, if it gets nasty and they say, well

(01:13:40):
you need to do this now to get your digital.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Rationing card, are you going to do it? If you're
not quite in that whole system of one hundred percent
dependency on a certain way to get your foods, you're
going to have.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
A lot more leeway and movements around these problems versus
being stuck in one single line because you only have
one single choice because that's all you know, and you
have no option B because you never explored it. You
want one hundred percent down the drinking the kool aid
root with everything is going to be just hunky dory
down in these supply chains forever. And we saw that

(01:14:13):
broke and how quickly people freaked out when it happened
during COVID. Now it seems that we're coming into another
period of disruption being broadcast in advance by a lot
of the media, a lot of governments talking about it now,
and they're really trying to get us on this digital
rationing card or slash digital IDs, in addition to switching
us over into digital currencies because a digital currency can

(01:14:37):
be tracked and Tesco in the UK they're putting food
buy limits right now, and even if you go to
a different story, you're in their system.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
They want let you buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
But on a greater sense, the government could give everybody
a certain number of digital tokens there, whatever they might
be called in each country, and once you go through those,
then your allotment for food purchases is over. It's all
on the same it's all in the blockchain, all in
the system. You won't be able to buy. You won't
have any black market tokens because they just won't exist,
because they're somewhere issued and can be tracked the entire

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length of their lifetime.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
So once we get into this, you're going to have
to have the ID.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
You're going to have to only be able to buy this,
You're only allowed to buy that. Then you'll understand the
value of tonight's conversation and being a little more autonomous
on your food growing and a little more self sufficient
with your neighbors. It'll allow you in a tremendous lot
mon of lee way. When people are lined up, schizophrenic,
freaked out in the stores when they can't get their food,

(01:15:35):
you might be just sitting back on all right, I'll
let the chaos pass for a moment, because I have
some stored foods. I can still grow my own. We
can do microgreens in a pinch if we need to.
We've got the freezers, you know, pretty full.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
We're good. We can.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
We can ride out the chaos for a minute, versus
going I don't have any other option.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
I need to get out there with those people.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
I don't want to see you in that situation, so
please prepare accordingly.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
We're at that point. I'm just saying we're at that
point right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Things seem to be a little bit more distractive than
they were even during the COVID years, So I guess
I'll leave it with that. Jeremy, we're in the ultimate
distraction phase. And what are they distracting us from? Could
be another whole show in itself of this distraction wave.
This interference pattern is everywhere on all media, on any
segment of media that anybody consumes across the planet. There's

(01:16:22):
a once in a five year, once in a ten
year story across every segment, even cat stories and dog
stories and pet lovers. There's those kind of once in
a five or ten year stories to draw the intention
to get you glued into that across those types of
genre of media. It's everywhere at one time, smothering and
all encompassing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
But why and then they're all talking about the foods
and the digital idea. Ah huh. I wonder if those
two match up somehow well.

Speaker 7 (01:16:50):
In a scenario that we've outlined, would we even be
able to grow seeds?

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Would seeds be available?

Speaker 7 (01:16:56):
And if the answer to that is no, then that
would mean the time is now to get those seeds
and get them in the ground.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
Yeah. True, but that's that's one point.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
But then you need to know how to harvest the seeds,
and then you know, store those seeds for next year.
So you have seeds irregardless if you can buy them
or not. Nature's not going to obey the rules. Nature's
going to keep throwing seed down. I don't care what
you do. It is going to drop them in some
hont of seas. Nature overproduces. I kid, you know, we
have so much stuff in our garden. We really need
to give it away to neighbors. We can't eat at all.

(01:17:24):
It's impossible, it's too much. Nature is so bountiful. But
if you let it come up to seed and you
know how to save that seed, then you could trade it,
then it becomes valuable. If it's not available for sale,
then you got something you literally can't buy.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Then what's that worth.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Seed storage is going to be a key skill to
understand and master moving forward.

Speaker 7 (01:17:46):
And so is sharing with your neighbor. Loving your neighbor,
maybe collaborating with your neighbor.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
Oh absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Only does it give you that feeling of wow, it
was great, you know, to see their happiness and joy,
but then at always comes back. It's not that you're
expecting it to come back, but you know, we got
so many peppers. This year is the best pepper year
we ever had. We grew like eight different types of
sweet peppers, snacking peppers, and.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
We give them away. There's too many, and then you'd
be surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Some people say, hey, my neighbor or my you know,
somebody came over and visited and they brought this from
this country, and they'll come over and share and give
us some. It's always like that. It's just a never ending,
revolving loop. And I really love that because something about
sharing the food you grew with somebody else that's really
very special and kind of missing in today's world. Like

(01:18:33):
I'll go back up to the city where my parents live,
and I'll come in with a bunch of our eggs
from the chickens or the peppers or whatever we grew
the lettuces and thing, and people are just blown away, like,
what that looks way better than anything we got in
the store over here, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
And it really is. And the seeds are still viable.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
You could take any of the produce we bring up
to anywhere and just cut the seeds out and then
dry them and then grow them in your own garden.
But the comments we get every single time we bring
produce up out of our own area here back up
to the city again and again, Wow, that looks so
much better than anything. And they're talking about like Trader
Joe's and Whole Foods and this kind of thing, and

(01:19:09):
it looks even way better than that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
So, you know, I'm stoked on that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
But trading food and giving food away to people is
just a gift because you've been so blessed that nature
had provided for you such an abundance that you have
extra that you can give away.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Oh, that is a.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Gift in itself right, that you've been provided that abundantly too,
that you can then give it to somebody else. There's
nothing like that feeling to realize how blessed you are well.

Speaker 7 (01:19:38):
And that's a perfect message for thanksgiving, David, be thankful
for what we have and what we're able to give others.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
So true.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
You know again, you know, you go back in history
and this is the very time where all these villages
and all the people in the towns came together to
collect everything at one time and share it amongst themselves
and kind of fatten up for the cold lean years.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
And they could take stock of what they had and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
How much they could either eat as much as they
wanted or ration through the winter until they knew they
could get up to the next planting period. So this
is a very special time in humanity through the last
thousands of years as well to share with everybody around
you of the bounty that was given to you through
the earth itself.

Speaker 7 (01:20:16):
All right, David, to your website and where can folks
find your podcast?

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Tell them about that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
All that now, the Civilization Cycle.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
We run that at civilizationcycle dot com and put the show.
We put our shows up there and please join us
for the show.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
Notes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
We don't spend we just get the email, so we
can send out the show notes, ten bullet points of
what we talked about to try to keep these conversations going,
and then you can start the conversations with others. That's
really what's all about. We're going to have to do
this together, not a single person. You're going to need
others to help you with this. So best of luck
to everybody out.

Speaker 7 (01:20:47):
There, to you and yours, and happy Thanksgiving. And we'll
talk to David again sometime, I'm sure in twenty twenty six.
From the cold Dirk Depths of a secret dungeon somewhere
deep in the realm about Pacific Northwest, I'm Jeremy Scott.
Good night and God bless