Ep. #860: George J. Haas – Mars Anomalies

The discovery of unusual rocks on Mars including one that may contain signs of ancient life, a square-shaped "structure" on the surface and other strange discoveries on the Red Planet are making us once again wonder if these came to be artificially. Jeremy welcomes George J. Haas to discuss his scientific research into Martian anomalies and what they might reveal about the possibility of long-lost civilizations.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, I'm wondering is there a cover up on Mars
from the cold dark depths of a secret dungeon somewhere
deep in the remote Pacific Northwest. I'm Jeremy Scott. This
is the show that is somewhere between the paranormal and
the abnormal. One of the things that really excites me

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about putting together the program is when we hear about
stuff that is new and exciting. I mean, there is
a lot that we have yet to explore. You think about,
you know, the places that man hasn't ever stepped foot
on or very few times, I mean the oceans in

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particular that have yet to be explored, and other planets
as well. Just think about what has yet to be
discovered in what could happen in your lifetime? It certainly
intrigues me. There's a couple of things though, of late

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that I wanted to bring your attention that have been
happening with Mars now. A few months back, there were
some buzz about NASA's update that they had done on
a sample of Martian rock that was collected by NASA's
Perseverance rover last year. This is the rover that is

(02:23):
exploring Mars and it is said to contain potential biosignatures.
These are chemical or structural clues that could indicate ancient
microbial life. This is the story that perhaps you may
have heard about. People were saying life on Mars, Life

(02:43):
on Mars. This is that story, But is it really
life on Mars. To be determined, there needs to be
additional study. We've basically only had a year and five
months or so to study this sample, which is called
Sapphire Canyon. It was drilled from a rock rich in

(03:04):
clay and silt named Cheyava Falls, came from an ancient
riverbed in the Jezero Crater. Instruments on board the Perseverance
Rover detected organic carbon sulfur, phosphorus and iron minerals, which
on Earth can form through microbial activity. In this case,

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that the minerals appeared as leopard spot patterns, which could
have resulted from electron transfer reactions used by microbes. However,
non biological processes could also explain those findings, and more
study is required, but this discovery suggests that Mars may

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have remained habitable longer than previously thought. There could have
been civilizations that lived on Mars in the past. I
think if we had evidence, conclusive evidence to show that
it might shake us to our core, our fundamental beliefs

(04:09):
would be shattered. Everything we've thought we know is now unraveling.
These are peer reviewed results which opened the data to
now wider scientific scrutiny. NASA is emphasizing that extraordinary evidence
is still needed before claiming life existed on Mars, and

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this would have been a million or billions of years ago.
In fact, the acting NASA Administrator Sean Duffy at the
time said, it is the closest that we have ever
come to discovering life on Mars. Well, there may have
actually been signs of this in the past, they just

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may have been hidden because we know all NASA images
are doctored before they're released, what about those that just
in the archive and are never released. Speaking of Perseverance,
because they have been crucial in a lot of these discoveries.
It is also identified a strange sculpted rock named pip Silosa.

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That's the best I can do, near the Vernaden area,
which appears unusually rich in iron and nickel. This is
a chemical signature that is typical of iron nickel meteorites,
which are formed in the cores of large asteroids. So
this has not been confirmed, but if it is, it
would mark the first time that Perseverance is found a meteorite.

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We do know that the roka formed outside the crater
in terrain that was a shaped from past impacts, so
researchers now are going to conduct further analysis to verify
whether it is indeed a meteorite. Now says Mars Reconnaissance

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orbiter has reexamined what was once thought to be an
underground lake at Mars South Pole. Scientists have found that
the area, which is buried under nearly a mile of ice,
reflects radar signals two week to be liquid water. The
evidence now points instead to a layer of rock or dust,

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possibly an ancient lava flow. So I guess that's what
they're going with now until there's another study that comes
out that disputes that one. Scientists have found the first
direct evidence of lightning on Mars. This has been detected
in sounds and electrical signals recorded by the Perseverance rover.

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By analyzing twenty eight hours of audio from the rover's
supercam microphone, researchers identified fifty five electrical discharge events over
nearly two martian years. The signals were strongly associated with
dust devils, dust storms, and high winds, which supports the

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idea that friction between dust particles can generate electrical charges,
similar to when we experience dry lightning on Earth. The
findings challenge decades of inconclusive attempts to confirm that lightning
indeed happens on Mars, and it also opens up the

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conversation about risks that future astronauts and rovers, what risk
these electrostatic discharges could pose interesting stuff on the planet
of Mars. And then there are the anomalies these structures,
objects rocks that have been found on the planet. The

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monolith that buzz Aldrin talked about a monolith.

Speaker 8 (08:01):
There a very unusual structure on this little potato shaped
object that goes around Mars once in seven hours.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, and of course the face of Mars. That was
another big one back in the day. There's also been
well maybe you heard about the square which came to
light back in February. Well, came went viral after it
was talked about on the Joe Rogan podcast. This square

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what I kind of described as something looking like a
cheese it cracker in the sand, not quite fully flush.
It's not actually a complete square, but you see the
lines that indicate that there is a structure here. And

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I'm not really the person to look at this picture
and say, yeah, there's walls there, there is a structure here.
I'm not a geologist. I'm not an archaeologist. I don't
have that sort of background. But I go to the
experts and I take what they say and I use
that to form my opinion whether this is an actual

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structure or I don't know what other explanation there is
to it, really, but there have been so many others
of these throughout the years. There's the keyhole, the parrot,
and the list goes on. These are all well seemingly odd,
out of place things on the planet Mars that may

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indicate they weren't put there naturally. Somewhere between the paranormal
and the abnormal. I'm Jeremy Scott.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Into the para normal parent.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
I'm Jeremy's got somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
We're talking about Mars tonight. Within the past year there
have been some well that the news of possible life
on Mars found in a rock, and of course the
square has come back around. This is the object that

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went viral thanks to an appearance on the Joe Rogan
podcast in which it really stirred up the Internet and
got us wondering it was found though several years ago.
But both of these are fascinating and to have folks
wondering whether or not there's some artificiality here. I mean

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the square on Mars was was going viral earlier this year,
about the time I had George Haas on the program,
founder of the Sidonia Institute. I mentioned it as we
welcomed him for the first time to talk about whether
there is evidence of this artificiality on Mars or a
lost civilization. Well, now he has published a scientific paper

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on this anomaly. George J. Haass is the founder and
premier investigator of the Sidodia Institute, which is a Mars
research group. He's also a member of the Society for
Planetary Seti Research and co has co authored peer reviewed
science papers related to anomalous formations on the surface of Mars.

(11:40):
He's the author of the Great Architects of Mars, Evidence
for the Lost Civilizations on the Red Planet. George, welcome back.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Well, thanks for having me on your show for another
go around the planet Mars.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's fascinating to do so. This square structure, it is
a fascinating one. Now, you and two co authors basically
tackled this after the viral clip from the Joe Rogan show, right,
and then what a statement from Elon Musk as well.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Well, yeah, this all started the new interest in this
formation in February of this year. So it wasn't that
long ago. I mean, it seems like forever with all
of this stuff in the media going on. Yeah, back
in February, Joe Rogan, he brought this formation up on
his show, they talked about it. I think he also

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did a follow up program he had Elon Musk on
and they talked about this interesting formation on Mars, and
that's Elon said that we should go to Mars and
sun astronauts there to investigate this formation. And as you know,
it went viral on the internet. It was all over
the place there. It was news articles about it, it

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was in magazines, all kinds of stuff. So it got
a lot of attention. And uh, you know, not to
be left out, Neil Tyson, the scientist that's in all
the media programs, he had to get in on the
on the the interest in this, and he made a
few statements about trying to diminish the whole thing. He
had a video out which I think it was like
a ten minute video where Tyson basically tried to pooh

(13:20):
pooh the whole thing. And but at the end of
the video, if you could sit through it, at the
end of the video he does say that it is
a geometrically shaped structure, and if you're interested in geometrically
shaped structures on Mars, maybe we should put this into
a mission and go there and take a look at it.
So even he thinks we should look at it.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Okay, so a structure of some kind. Describe what this
one looks like, well, a square obviously.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, it's it's very interesting.

Speaker 7 (13:48):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Now, when people think of a square in their mind,
probably thinking of a cube. But this square is had
an interesting uh north to south axis. It's on its
shaped like a diamond shape. You know, the northern corner
point is at the top and the lower angle is
at the bottom. The northern corner has like a distinct

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L shape. It's like a walled structure that's very symmetrical.
It's a ninety degree angle. You don't find ninety degree
angles in nature. The southern quarter of the formation sits
on a cliff, so if you look at the NASA photograph,
the structure sitting like on the edge of the cliff.
The two east and west corners are a little harder

(14:34):
to see. They're covered over with Debrison things, as you
would see with like ancient walls out in the desert,
you know, partially viewed. Some of the walls stick up,
some of the walls don't, so it appears to be
a partially buried structure.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
A little bit submerged in some sort of terrain, right.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Yes, and that's what we're looking at. And the original
image was taken back in two thousand, two thousand and one,
and it was basically discovered early on by I think
everybody out there in your listening audience probably is aware
of Richard. He had the famous faith on Mars discussions
and he was very instrumental in early research with this

(15:13):
kind of stuff. And he was the one that brought
this to William Saunders, my co author, he's a geomorphologist
and myself we brought He brought that to our attention
back on his Enterprise Mission website.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Right, And what was Richard's conclusion, Well.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Richard Hogland thought it was very interesting. He puts a
lot of he put a lot of these type of
formations up on his Enterprise Mission for discussion and you know,
basically highlighting its geometry. And this thing was forgotten until recently,
you know, where Joe Rogan kind of like brought this
back to life, you know, over twenty years later.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
And so utilizing what some NASA imagery is this how
this came to be.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, The original the original image that Richard Hogland looked
at was an old Mars Global Surveyor image from the
winter of two thousand and one, and it was a
very interesting picture because NASA had focused the whole. They
take images of Mars and these long strips that the
camera takes from across the terrain, and the square structure

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was dead center in this strip that they took, so
they were focusing in on this. You could tell this
wasn't a random shot where this was just a small
image in the corner of a long strip. This was
a footbal point that they were looking at, and it
was kind of forgotten, like I said, because there was
a lot of things that we were looking at back,
you know, twenty years ago. I've been doing this for

(16:42):
over thirty years, so I have a huge archive of
all kinds of structures, and there's much better structures to
look at on Mars than this eroded you know, square formation.
Bill and I and some of my other colleagues, we
were kind of surprised that this got such attention such
early on in this twenty and twenty five here. But yeah,

(17:03):
it is a pretty beat up structure, but it does
have a lot of geometry and it totally looks out
of place in its surroundings. And so we went back
and looked at the NASA archives when we found there's
there's probably around eight or nine different images of this sovas.
It took a lot of pictures.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Did the Mars Reconnaissance orbiter, which was a more current mission,
did that help as well?

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah, most of the newer images were all taken by
the Mars Reconnaissance orbit or camera, the CTX camera, which
takes lower resolutions than these high reds pictures that the
reconnaissance camera is capable of taking. It only took one
high rise image of the formation, which is also presented
in our paper. I think we have like four images

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in the paper, including the original one. And the great
thing about all of these images that we have to
work with, we can look at the insulary data that's
that accompanies these photographs, which gives you the angle of
the camera, the seasonal time. You know what time of
year was taken, what time of day, so you got
the sun angle and all that. So basically what you're

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looking at. We can see that this formation is consistent
in all of these images over a twenty year period.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
And would you say that there is a high level
of geometry and symmetry involved in the square?

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Oh? Yes, this formation it's linear walls, it has ninety
degree angles and it fits a high level of geometry
and century, and that's something you don't find.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
In nature, which could indicate that maybe it wasn't put
there naturally. We're talking with George J. Hass tonight of
the Sidonia Institute and the great architects of Mars evidence
for the lost civilizations on the Red planet. I'm Jarby's
got somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. Our discussion

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Speaker 9 (20:55):
NASA's Perseverance rover found a lapid spotted rock at Mars,
and scientists immediate in you it was interesting. We hadn't
seen anything like that before on Mars.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
There is liquid water present within the deep shigneous rocks
of the planet.

Speaker 10 (21:11):
We can't find another explanation, so this very well could
be the clearest sign of life that we've ever found
on Mars.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Someone discovered a structure that looks like a.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
Square something that appears to be a humanoid face. But
this is on Mars. How could that be?

Speaker 8 (21:28):
There's a monolith there, a very unusual structure.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
Bordering the lines between reality and the unknown. You're writing
into the pair of Normal.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
I'm Jeremy Scotson. We're with the George J. Hass tonight
at the Sidonia Institute in the Great Architects of Mars
talking about these anomalies on Mars. George just got a
huge archive that he has collected over thirty years, and
we'll dive into some of those others throughout the course
of the program tonight. But as far as the square,

(22:11):
this object that went viral back in February, but was
actually released by Richard Hogland in two thousand, we don't
find this level of sophistication. You said that right before
the break. What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Well, you know, nature doesn't make ninety degree angles and
square objects. Usually they're kind of organic, free flowing shapes
and things like that. And this is just a very
interesting formation. And because it's got so much interest in
the media, I decided William Saunders and I. William Saunders

(22:48):
a geomorphologist. He's from Calgary, Canada. Bill and I we
co authored two books early on about Mars, and so
we've also done about five or six science page together
with members of the Society for Planetary SETI Research. So
with all the interest with this formation, and we had

(23:08):
a large archive of images provided by NASA, it was
you know, a great candidate for a science paper. So
but we needed another geologist. The other papers that Bill
and I had published we doing strange formations on Mars.
These science journals normally want at least two geologists in
the paper. Myself, my background, I'm an artist, a painter

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or sculptor. I have no science degree. I'm not really
a scientist. I've been doing this for thirty years. But
my background is an art and the interesting thing I
bring to this research is that, you know, I have
a good eye. I can see I know structure when
I see it, I know art when I see it.
So that helps me look through some of these formations
and look at, you know, something that sticks out out

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of the ordinary. So I contacted my friend Cliff Dunning.
I don't know if you're listening, there is no he's
a podcaster. He does a program called Earth Ancients. Yeah,
basically interviews something like you're doing. We use images and stuff.
So I contacted Cliff because he's had a lot of
people that are interested in Mars on his program, and

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I said, do you know anybody that we could use
because we needed another geologist to take a look at
this stuff. So he sent me Robert Schock's email. He's
a well known geologist. He did the groundbreaking work on
the Sphinx, showing overwhelming evidence for water erosion, you know,
estimating that the Sphinx, according to the time period that

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water was there was about ten thousand years ago. So
that's basically what he's worldwide known for. So we were
kind of like, oh my god, Robert Shock. So I
was like we were walking on air. So we sent
him a draft of the paper, and we asked him
if he was interested in, you know, joining our research
paper here that we were doing their science paper. So

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I sent him the paper a couple of days later,
he said that he'd be interested and he'll take a
look at it. And a week later he sent the
paper back to me. He had added his geological analysis
to the paper and he put his name on the paper,
so he was on board. So he also, I mean,

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we were like shocked that he was participating in our paper.
And he also provided some links to some possible journals
to send this to, and one of them was the
Journal of Astrobiology, and we sent the paper out to them.
A week or so passed they sent it back to us.
We had to make a few changes. That's usually the process,
the peer review. So we made the changes to the paper,

(25:43):
re submitted it, and it was so by June of
last year. I mean we contacted Probert maybe a month
before that, and it all happened so quick. We had
the papers, it was published.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
And peer reviewed, which is the important part of the process,
reviewed by those who don't have biases.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Hopefully.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yes, that's the.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
End it all went. It all went very smoothly. We
were very happy with it.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
So as far as the hypothesis of there being some
sort of artificial design here, is that more than a
hypothesis you think with this one.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Well, the image speaks for itself. It's located actually in
this formation is on Mars in the Arabia Terra section.
If your listeners out there have any visual capacity to
visualize the surface of Marsh if you have a map,

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the Sidonia area is to the northwest of the Arabia Terra,
so it's just below that face on Mars would be
down towards the east, so it's almost it's a little
bit above the equator area. And the interesting thing that
we're finding with these many of these structures on Mars
that a lot of these complexes. These sites are all

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either thirty to forty degrees above the equator or thirty
to forty degrees below the equator. That seems to be
the hot spot where all of these ancient structures were
on Mars. And this formation that we're looking at now,
the squares right in the midst of that.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
So is there a significance to that the distance from
the equator.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Well, you know, that's like the sweet spot. It's so
same thing on Earth. You know, most of the ancient
cultures were, you know, around the You look at the
equator and go around the planet and you'll see that's
where most of the civilization is above or below that.
It's just you know, the best place to be. And
a lot of them are next to waterways. The face
on Mars is in the Sodonia region, which is right

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next to an old ocean that was there, so you know,
it's right along the coastline. That's where you build a civilization,
you build it next to water. So you know, like
in Egypt, you know you have the Nile, so you
have access the structure that we're looking at here. This
square appears to be right next to a waterway. It's
also mentioned in the paper. If the listeners out there

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go and download the paper, the paper's free. I'm sure
you're providing a link to that and they can download
that and take a look at it. And you can
see the square shape sits on a ridge of a cliff,
and it's very defensive oriented. It's almost like this is
a fortress that was built on a ridge line.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
And so have you discovered other of these structures in
the same area where the square turned up?

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Well, In examining the square with all the other images,
I noticed right off that on the if you're looking
at the square head on on the western side, there
seems to be this rectangular shape on the ridge wall.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Okay, so maybe there have been additional discoveries around this object.
Will continue with George J. Hass in just a moment
somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. I'm Jeviy Scott.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
Into the paradormal pair.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Of George J. Hass joining us tonight from the Sidonia
Institute in the Great Architects of Mars, co authored along

(29:45):
with William R. Saunders and Robert M. Shack in the
Journal of Astrobiology, a peer reviewed paper Mars Geological formation
or archaeology square shaped structure within an Arabia Terra crater.
All right, So in the analysis of the square, the

(30:06):
object that went viral seemingly an object of some sort
on the surface of Mars, you discovered or saw that
there was at least one maybe other mysterious or anomalous
objects as well.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Oh yeah, within a stone's throw from the that the
square is another square impression that is right below it
in the ridgeline, and some of the images actually so
shows water seepage coming out of it, which was pretty interesting.
The other anomaly that's right next to the square is

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on the eastern side, there's a configuration of four circular
mounds that are almost the same side eyes and equally
distanced from each other on all four sides, so that
that's also another anomaly. So to have three coincidences of
finding structures in the same area, when you have three,

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that's that's more of a pattern than a coincidence. So
that even adds more substance to the artificiality of the whole.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Area, And so there's a possibility that these objects were
not put here naturally.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Oh yeah, that's you know, looking at the crater, Robert
Schock says that you know, when a meteor hits and
you have an impact and you have creates a crater,
a lot of times you know substructure will come up,
rocks and things like that, and boulders and things and
different debris, but you're not going to have linear geometric
shapes formed from that kind of event. So this just

(31:53):
shows that this is something that had the hand of
some type.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Of builder, a builder which is goes back to what
you discuss in your book The Great Architects of Mars
evidence for the lost civilizations on the Red Planet. Builders
on Mars may have existed hundreds or thousands of years ago,

(32:18):
millions of years ago.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Well from my experience and in our In my book,
the current book, The Great Architects of Mars, there's a
whole chapter on on the Maya Star War which talks
about the Maya writings about this uh, this battle that
went on between the areas of a city called Naranjo
in Mexico with Takal and Cosimal, these areas around there

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also with this civilization that was on Mars. This is
all in Maya hieroglyphics. So this isn't something I'm making up,
but The interesting thing is if you follow this story
the Maya you know, who are great timekeepers. Uh, they
talk about two events that happened on Mars. The first
was about a million years ago and the second one

(33:04):
was about twenty two thousand years ago. So you have
two type periods where he had some types of wars
or events going on on Mars. And this timeline interestingly
coordinates with doctor John doctor John Brandenberg. I don't know
if your listeners are a where doctor John Brannberg.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
We mentioned him actually briefly during our first conversation, but
go ahead, right.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
He's a scientist. He's also a member of the Society
for Planetary Seti Research. He's put out numerous papers and
he had a book published on this whole idea of
evidence of nuclear war on Mars. NASA has known since
Thearly mid seventies with the Viking missions that there was
evidence of xenon one twenty nine, which is a signature

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for nuclear explosions in the atmosphere of Mars. So NASA
has known about this for a long time. And doctor
Brandenburg talks about this that the evidence that he's looked
at shows evidence that a nuclear bomb went off above
ground in the Sidony area and over in the Utopia area,
and this happened about a million years ago, which is

(34:10):
a timeline followed by the Maya. The other interesting thing
is back in the nineteen eighties, the CIA they had
this program with remote viewing. I'm sure your listeners are
through here with remote viewing, right. One of the movies
that is pretty fun is The Men who Stare at
Goats with George Clooney. It's about the remote Mullion. Great movie. Anyway.

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The guy's name is Joe mcmonical.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Sure, one of the most famous remote viewers.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Well, you probably you're aware of that's great. Yeah, he
actually he did a whole video presentation on this back
when he was a young man back in the eighties.
He's an older gentleman now project, right, and the project
came up with a timeline that they we're seeing war
on Mars about a million years ago. So you got
doctor Brandenberg estimating about a million years ago. You got

(35:07):
the CIA remote Viewing saying something happened on Mars about
a million years ago, and the Maya. And the other
interesting thing is that the timelines expanded because we have
this another another event that happened even more recently about
you know, twenty to twenty two thousand years ago. So
your original question about how old are these things on
Mars probably no older than about a million years So

(35:31):
it's not it's not as old as a lot of
people talk about, you know, millions and millions of years
ago there was these these structures aren't that old. And
when you look at the structures that we find on Mars,
besides this square structure, there's a lot of structures on
Mars that appear to be pristine, just maybe covered with
the ice and silt and debris, but they're very very

(35:54):
much looking more recently constructed than things about a million
years ago. So we're seeing two timelines on Mars.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
And what it seems to indicate is that civilizations have
been wiped out at one point or another by one
of these of the cataclysmic or catastrophic events.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah. Well, if you're interested, I can give you my theory.
Oh please do Yeah, about how these structures got there
on Mars and why we have structures like this square
formation that looks like it was devastated and the building
was blown up. This is just the ruins that we're
seeing and then we're finding other structures that seem that
like they were built, you know, last week. So this

(36:40):
all has to go back to, you know, when Earth
was an early growing planet. And I propose I do
this in the book also, there's a chapter on you know,
trying to explain it all, uh, that a exiled or
runaway civilization entered our solar system sometime in the distant past, okay,
And when they came to our solar system, they they

(37:01):
found this beautiful paradise Earth. So they set up camp
kind of like the Ananaki you know story with Zachariasichen
coming to Earth, and they settled on this new home.
And to protect themselves and keep them isolated from these
and you know, the people, whatever civilization they were running
away from, they set up outpost guardian outposts on the

(37:24):
Moon and on Mars, which would be gatekeepers which would
protect Earth from one of this if this invading culture
ever found them. So over time they I'm proposing they
probably used the available manned beast that was on Earth,
you know, the crow magnet or Neanderthal, and through genetic

(37:45):
engineering they made us we were as workers, and they
had colonies on the Moon and Mars and again, Mars
was used as an outpost. You know, like George Bush
said during the the the Wars after nine to eleven
and Afghanistan and over in Iraq and Iran, it's better
to fight them over there than to fight them here.

(38:06):
Makes good sense. Yeah, And that's what you would use
these outposts for. So they built bases on Mars all
over the planet that were used. Like that's why this
square structure seems to have a military use. It's it's
set up, you know, right on the edge of a.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
You know, maybe a bunker. Yeah, excuse me, maybe a bunker.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
No, this is large enough. It's a mild square. It's
large enough to be, you know, a large city base.
But I think these structures that we're finding were out
there at they were used as outposts to protect Earth.
And they also had them on the Moon. There's a
lot of evidence that there's ruins and structures on the
Moon that we don't have time to look at tonight,
but there's a lot of stuff on the Moon that

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appears to be in ruin. So the scenario is that
as time passed, they were found out and whoever they
were running away for from pain here and they had
these battles that doctor Brandenburg talks about. And they fought
on Mars, they fought on the Moon, and eventually they
possibly destroyed whatever culture was here, this high civilization that

(39:10):
was setting up based on Earth. And as time passed,
they had left being found out. They needed to find
a new place, so you know, they high tailed it
out of here in search of a galaxy far far away.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Would that have been an extra terrestrial civilization that set
up these colonies?

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yes, and they were battling man, then.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
We don't know who they were battling. This is just
a synopsis, a supposing idea.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
It is a good one, and we will continue with
George jhas in our next hour.

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Speaker 3 (41:07):
If you're just joining the program tonight, we're talking about
anomalies on Mars and whether or not there was a
prior civilization that existed on the red planet. And one
possibility is that there could have been some war that
took place, some battle, and whether it was extraterrestrials and humans,

(41:33):
whether these were two non human species. I mean, all
things are possible. This is a plausible theory that our
guest tonight, George J. Haas, founder of the Sidonia Institute
and author of the Great Architects of Mars, is proposing
to us. And I'm intrigued by the possibility there were

(41:53):
these off planet wars that took place, and these weren't
a fistfights. These seemed to be nuclear fights, as a
detailed by doctor John Brandenburg and others, Right, George, Yeah, correct, And.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
You know it was probably very devastating. And you know,
once this happened, they left, like I said, they in
search of a new home far far away, and they
left us, they abandoned us, and we were here, and
you know, as time passed, we as a civilization we've
forgot you know, the Adonesia, the old theories of Atlantis

(42:36):
that a lot of cultures carry on that that may
be evidence for who they were at one time. And
then we became a space faring culture that this early
chewing race, and we eventually went to the Moon and
we went to Mars. This is the twenty two thousand
year ago scenario that the Maya talk about the second

(42:56):
occupation of Mars. So this is where we occupy as
opposed to the Aliens, and we built bases because we're
also afraid that we don't want any extraterrestrials finding us
and coming to Earth and you know, taking over this
beautiful paradise that we have here. So like the people
that created us, we create bases on the Moon and

(43:17):
Mars again. And this scenario I believe was probably more
to do with human against human where it's the old
scenario like the United States. We left England, we built
the original thirteen colonies here, and after we started living here,
we wanted to you know, you know, it's our country.

(43:38):
We want to you know, go our own way, and
things like that possibly could have happened on Mars with
these Martian colonies and you know, fighting over mineral rights
and things like that. Who knows what the scenarios were.
And they decided to break away and have their own planet,
their own country, and that developed into a war kind
of like a civil war, and again we had ruin

(44:02):
and destruction, which the Maya talk about. And that's some
of the newer structures that we're seeing on the planet,
because Bill and I and other researches that I've spoken
to seem to find that there's really different types of
structures we're finding on Mars. Others that seem to be
very damaged and others that seem to be in perfect shape.

(44:23):
I mean, although they are covered sometimes with ice and
silt and things like that, but their structures are perfect.
No evidence that there were was any you know, devastation,
bombing or anything like that. So it seems to be
two different periods, and that's what we're looking at. And
again that knowledge has all been forgotten and we were

(44:44):
again doing what our ancient ancestors did. We're going back
to the Moon, we're trying to go to Mars. Elon
Musk wants to do what the ancients did, you know,
build colonies on Mars. So it's like time history repeats itself.
So we're basically in the same position on the US
of going into space, building bases on the Moon and

(45:04):
on Mars. And you know, once humans get involved and
they have different you know, resources that they want to
take over and occupy and make money on, you know,
things can get dangerous.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, aliens civilization on Mars
one million years ago and then another civilization of humans
potentially on Mars about twenty two thousand years ago, and
so two different events that obviously caused both species to

(45:38):
vacate the planet.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Right now, Jeremy, the thing I left out in the
beginning is that when they occupied Mars, Mars was already
a dead planet. Mars may have had life at one time,
but when these aliens came here and set up based
on Earth and created us, as you know, slaves and workers,
and they had these bases on Mars, Mars was already
a dead plant. These structures were built up there when

(46:02):
Mars was already a dead planet.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Okay, So some were built by the aliens and some
maybe by humans or other races.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Yeah, yeah, easily, yep. And because of the low gravity,
that's why everything on Mars is so big. You know,
the face on Mars is a mile and a half
from the top of the head to the chin and
the you know a mile wide, everything's big. All the
structures refined are you know, close to a.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Mile Okay, So why would there why would there be
this battle? Why would there be this this fight among
these civilizations? You mentioned the minerals before, what kinds of
minerals are on Mars? And could that have been what
they were fighting over?

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Sure, Mars is rich with all kinds of exotic materials
that you know, that's why they have the rovers. They
are going around and sniffing all the rocks and you know,
drilling them and looking at what type of you know,
materials are making up these rocks. And of course you
had this recent report about the herd spotted rock. You know,

(47:03):
NASA had a press conference about this rock. This rock
basically is proof of a biosignature on Mars. But you know,
if you had watched the press conference, you know they
were dancing around, you know, faster than a punk rock band,
and you know, they never got to really say what
they found. And it looks like what they found and
they found other examples of this that there's a lot

(47:25):
of evidence of past biology on Mars.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Well, basically they said they sent it out to science,
and the science community came back and said, you know,
we don't have an explanation of this, so go figure.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Well yeah, well the other crazy thing. I don't know
if your listeners are aware that the current rover that's
driving around, it's taking samples of a lot of these rocks. Yeah,
drives around. Yeah, it drives around, and it's taking samples,
and it puts them in these little spheres that they have,
these little capsules that they put the debris in. When

(48:02):
they grind it, they put it into a little capsule
and they deposit it. You know, it's kind of like
they're leaving the bread crumbs all over the planet there
when they do these samples. But you know, they don't
have anybody, they don't have any mission to pick them up.
They're taking samples and they're dropping them on the surface
to be retrieved at some later date, which is crazy.
I mean, these are the people running the show.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, well, we have an interim ahead of NASA right now,
so that should give you a pretty good idea of
how disorganized they are. But here's actually what Sean Duffy said.

Speaker 10 (48:32):
We can't find another explanation, so this very well could
be the clearest sign of life that we've ever found
on Mars.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Okay, so he's talking about this rock, right, that was
found in the Jezero crater, I believe a year ago
by the perseverance.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Yeah, they found this over a year ago, and they're
you know a lot of people in the the science
community are connected with NASA. They knew they had found this,
but they got no report. Took them over a year
to put this information out. Jeremy.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yeah, well, NASA's slow on just about everything. We talked
about that with the recent pictures like three I at lists.
So you smell a rat here.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Well, if you listen to them, you know, with an
open ear, they're basically saying they found evidence of a
biosignatures on Mars.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
The interesting thing though, is that, you know, they found
that other rock in the Jeesuro crater, which was a
metallic rock that had all the nickel and iron in it,
and that got a lot of attention. But that's just
a smoke screen. That's just to get people's attention. Oh,
look a shiny rock we found. They found a lot
of those. There's a lot of weird things sitting on

(49:40):
the planet. You know, when a meteor hits the planet,
usually it makes a big hole in the crater. These
things are just sitting right out on top of the surface.
I mean, that's crazy, all right.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
More to come with George J. Host Tonight of the
Sidonia Institute. I'm Jeremy Scott. Somewhere between the paranormal and the.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
En into the pair of.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
I'm Jeremy Scott talking with George J. Hastnight of the
Sidonia Institute. They are a Mars research group, and he's
also a member of the Society Society for Planetary SETI Research.
Has co authored a paper on this square shaped object
on Mars that's a couple of decades old now, but

(50:47):
has recently gone viral because of a recent mention on
the Joe Rogan podcast. But there's all sorts of other
anomalous objects on the surface of Mars folks may not
be aware of. In fact, one of these rocks that
NASA has shown off is not all too interesting. There

(51:09):
are anomalous objects and there are just ordinary objects of
all kinds right on Mars.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
George, Yeah, doing this for so long. I go through
NASA strips, you know, the archives which are available to
the public. You can go look at these for free,
use the images, and you know, it's become easy for me.
Not that I'm bragging, but it goes back to a

(51:36):
famous quote by Carl Sagan who said, intelligent life on
Earth reveals itself to geometry and the regularity of its construction,
which is all. It's geometry and symmetry. And if you
look through these strips, you'll see, you know, your random
mountainous areas, rocks, mounds that are just very generic looking.

(51:58):
And then you'll come upon something that has a pentagonal shape,
or it has a hexagonal shape, or it's triangular, and
they're perfect. They're like, this does not happen in nature,
so they just jump right out at you. So when
you see this geometric or these symmetrical structures on the
surface that are sitting amongst all this chaos of natural

(52:20):
landforms on Mars, they just jump out at yet. And
usually they're not alone. You'll find a triangular formation right
next to that, there's a hexagonal formation. Next to that
is a elongated rectangular form. It's just that now you
found yourself a colony or one of these complexes of structures.
And not only do you normally find these geometric structures.

(52:43):
They're aligned with each other. They have distinct alignments that
you can follow. And most of the time you'll also
find some type of pictographic image, like the face on
Mars or the parrot formation that we discussed in the book.
And it's like Robert Shack had said years ago that
a lot of these geometric formations on Mars are to tell,

(53:04):
you know, spacefaring cultures that are flying over Mars. Hey,
looky here, you know, you see the face, and then
around the faces all these structures you find the parrot formation,
and around the parrot there's all these other geometric formations
in ruins and things like that. So it becomes kind
of like a formula to find these things.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
So NASA has known about some of these anomalous things
on Mars since the Viking era. Why are they not
forthcoming with this? Why don't they show us?

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Well, you can see how forthcoming they are with this. Leopards,
you know, they call the rock Scott leopard spots. You know,
they always have some kind of a nice little label
to put on it. But then they're you know, they're
dancing around it having you know, signs of biology. They
can't even tell us that you think they're going to
tell us that we found pyramids on Mars. I mean

(53:56):
they would be you know, stuttering.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Yeah, yeah. They may not even tell us if extra
terrestrial life existed, and if it existed on Mars, and
you know, they've known all along, or maybe they maybe
they're clueless. I don't know, maybe they.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
I think they're well aware. They couldn't be oblivious to
this because they have more access to the archives than
we have. You know, we only have what's available to
the public. You know, the public released images on the
NASA websites, and I'm sure a lot of them didn't
see a lot of this stuff when they put them out.
But you know, once people find it and they take

(54:35):
secondary you know, there's like ten pictures of some of
these formations, which is great. Like I said earlier, you know,
then you can study it. That's real science when you're
able to look at things and study it over different years.
The face on Mars, they've taken close to fifty pictures
of that Jeremy, and that's the formation that NASA early
on set that they have no scientific interest in that

(54:56):
formation at all, but they keep taking pictures of it.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, and a face is very very interesting, suspicious. Do
you think that when NASA has been caught shutting down
some cameras, say on the International Space Station, when some
of these objects that come through, perhaps they've done the
same well with you know, the cameras on Mars, on

(55:21):
some of these you know, the rovers and other probes
that they've sent up.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Well, I don't think they've turned the cameras off. They
just they may you know, sit in a can somewhere,
like you know, a photographer takes a bunch of pictures
and then puts them in the job.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
They go into the into the cloud. They never release
them to the public, right, So.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
You know, I'm not trying to say there's a conspiracy,
but there may be. And you know, they probably have
some great pictures of things that we haven't seen that
you know, once this is all brought out to the public,
I'm sure the archives of all of these, you know,
really interesting things will will become part of the light
of day. In one of the formations that NASA let

(56:06):
slip happen, probably around twenty thirteen, is when they released
the formation of what's called the keyhole formation. Are you
familiar with that?

Speaker 3 (56:15):
I believe you shared some details with us the last
time around, but go ahead and share it and tell
us about it.

Speaker 10 (56:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
Well, the key hole's probably the smoking gun. I mean,
it's a pristine formation. It's got a wedd shape at
the bottom and then the circle at the top, just
like you would say a key hole, and it's just
an exquisite structure. It's screams of artificiality. It has so
much geometry and symmetry to it. We also did a

(56:41):
science paper Bill Saunders and I and our other geologist
that we had, Michael Dale, who unfortunately passed away. That's
why we had to look for Robert Shock to do
the paper. Michael had passed a couple of years ago,
very unfortunate. And in twenty sixteen we had a paper,
a science paper published on the keyhole in the Journal

(57:01):
of the Space Exploration. And that formation I call it
the you know, the smoking gun, because it's undeniable that
it's artificial.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
The implications of what we've discussed tonight, even if only
a fraction of it is true, are pretty big, wouldn't
you say, Well, in my book.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
The Great Architects of Mars, if somebody goes through that
book and they find one structure that they can't explain.
I think I've done my job. That's how low my
expectations are. But I believe everything in that book is
worth looking at, and it's obviously not natural, but it's

(57:45):
like if you're looking for geometric shapes, the key hole
is probably the best example. If you're looking for pictographs
things that are like an animal or a face. The
parrot formation also in the book, and that has twenty
two points of anatomical correctness, which is mind blowing. If

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you look at a cloud and it kind of looks
like your Aunt Millie's dog, you know, but cloud formations
are normally just silhouettes as no secondary and tertiary evidence.
There's no detail. This parrot looks like a parrot. It's
an exquisite sculpture. It's got all this high detail. We've
had over three veterinarians do analysis of this, and they've

(58:29):
all agreed there's these twenty two points of anatomical correctness.
NASA has taken a Mars reconnaissance high resolution image of this.
Everything's confirmed. I mean, it goes beyond any kind of
understanding of why no one would say, hey, this is
proof we have artificial structures. On Mars, but the mainstream
just ignores it.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Georgia, before we hit our break at the bottom of
the hour, tell folks about your website and where they
can contact you.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
Well, you can contact me at the City Institute, or
you can just type in George Jay Hawes on the Internet.
I'm all over the place. I've been on Ancient Aliens
and The Unexplained with William Shatner. I've got a lot
of videos out that talk about my new book, and
please follow me on X. I got an X account

(59:17):
that I'm trying to get off the ground, So if
any of your listeners out there follow X, please look
for George Jay Hawes and the books available at Amazon.
It was a number one Amazon Books on Mars seller
and it's still doing very well. And the books available
anywhere really wherever books are sold, as they say, but

(59:38):
I'd appreciate I don't make a lot of money on
these books, but it supports this research and I would
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
The great architects of Mars, evidence for the last civilization
on the Red Planet. Word with George J. Host will
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the scientific community. An astronomer at the University of Tokyo
says his team found a halo of gamma rays near
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Speaker 6 (01:01:03):
NASA just discovered life on Mars.

Speaker 10 (01:01:06):
Were exploiting in places where there were rivers and where
there were lakes, and much as on Earth, we think
that that's where we'd see signs of ancient life.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
This is possible life on Mars billions of years ago.
Is it possible that there was a civilization on Mars
thousands of years ago.

Speaker 6 (01:01:26):
There's no evidence that I'm aware of.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
I would say that is extremely unlikely.

Speaker 6 (01:01:36):
We discussed the subjects that defy explanation into the pair
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Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
You've probably heard about the square structure on Mars brought
back around virally on the Internet in twenty twenty five,
and now we have George J. Hass with US co
author along with William Mars Saunders and Robert M. Shock
of a paper Mars Geological Formation or archaeology square shaped

(01:02:04):
structure within an Arabia Tara Crater, which is available in
the Journal of Astrobiology. He's also author of the Great
Architects of Mars, Evidence for the Lost Civilizations on the
Red Planet, founder of the Sidonia Institute, and also member
of the Society for Planetary SETI Research. As far as

(01:02:25):
these civilizations, uh or a civilization that could have existed
on Mars in the past and may have built some
of these structures, George, would they have needed any special
tools or even tools that were available back then in
order to build these formations, structures and and and these

(01:02:47):
some of these geoglyphs as well.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Yeah, It's it's just amazing to see the the artwork
like in the parrot and other formations, and the exquisite
geometry that these huge these structures, like the the formation
of the keyhole. You know, it's it's over a mile long.
These things are very Everything on Mars is big. And uh,
I have no idea how these ancient struct ancient cultures

(01:03:14):
that were on Mars built these things, but they were
obviously to get there and set up bases they were.
They had a higher technology.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Than we have, and so maybe vehicles also in which
to travel there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
Oh. Yeah, they were a space faring culture. A lot.
The reason we don't see a lot of roads on
Mars is you know, people look, you know, when they're
looking for evidence of advanced civilization. You know, back in
the old days, well where's the telephone poles? Where's the roads?
You know, But if they're flying and they're using you know,
cell phones and things like that, they don't need telephone

(01:03:49):
poles and roads because they're they're flying. So you know,
as the as the Maya would say, they didn't have
the wheel because the wheel was a step backwards.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Some of these formations, are we able to tell how
big they are just based on the images.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Well, the ancillary data that each of the images had.
It tells you how you know how high up the
camera was from the surface the ned are, you know
how far over directly overhead was it you know, degrees
to the left, to the right, and it has pixels
and it gives you you know, the amount of pixels
per meter. So through that information that's provided in the

(01:04:31):
ancillary data, you can estimate how big something is by
the measuring the pixels.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
So some of these, like in this square, look like
they're slightly under the surface and others are fully on
top of the surface. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
Yes, the original Mars Global Severe image was was very
it's basic image. You didn't have to do any enhancement
to it basically showed the the top L shaped structure
poking out of the surface of the southern tip of
the square was on that, you know, the edge of

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the ridge. You could follow the impression of the sand
that was you know, covering the other outer walls, so
you could actually see the depression that formed a square
just by looking at the tonality of the surface.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
So there could also be some underground full structures or
is what we talked about earlier actual cities.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Well, if you look at the structure the picture. You know,
also you see the outer form of the square. There's
also interior structures that are sticking up, so there's a
lot of interior walls that are forming you know, different
segments of that interior of that fortress. So a lot
of those are available.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
But any evidence that there was something like an Atlantis
like city on Mars.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Well we're finding there myself and other researchers that do
this type of work. There's outposts, there's these bases all
over on Marsh. The Sidoni area where the face is,
it's not the only area that has a complex. This
square structure that we're looking at doesn't seem to be
a large complex built there. That seems to be just

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a little square structure there that has that All of
the formations are in that same little area there. But
there's structures all over on Mars. And this whole idea
of Atlantis maybe just partial bits of an ancient memory
of this advanced civilization that had all this technology, and

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through time it's been you know, kept as a sacred
story and we've now seen this as this lost continent
on Earth, but that maybe that lost continent was the
lost world of Mars that had all these this advanced
civilization on it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Interesting any evidence that the Ananaki have occupied Mars.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Well, if you read Zachariah Sitchen's you know, his interpretations
and rewritings of a lot of the Samarian text, you know,
we have all this Samerian stuff. It's not like, you know,
Sitchen made all this stuff, but it's all there in
the text. But historians and archaeologists look at all of
these stories from the Samerians as mythology and just you know,

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ancient stories. But Sitchen was looking at this Israel history
and they talked about you know, being on the Moon
and also on Mars. You know, when they first came
to our solar system, they set up a base on Mars.
And then when they came to Earth, their first place
to set up a base was basically where Israel is
in Jerusalem. That was the main spaceport was in Jerusalem.

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The platform that Solomon's temples built on supposedly was a
remnant from that ancient city of the Samerians. So they
did talk about going back and forth between the Moon
and Mars. And they also used Mars as an outpost,
you know, that was a protective outpost. It's kind of
like my scenario with thea that you know, when they

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approached our going back to the Samerians. When they the
Anonachi came here, they the first place they stopped at
was Mars, and then they came to the Moon, and
then they came they built basis on the Moon so
they could go back and forth because of the low
gravity on the Moon. And NASA has talked about that
building spaceports on the Moon to make it easier to
take off payloads because of you know, the lack of gravity.

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So the Ananachi talked about the same thing. They had
bases on the Moon to go back and forth when
they started setting up their civilization here on Earth.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
And maybe these are the remnants of those prior civilizations
that were seeing on Mars. And we're talking about this
tonight with George jay Haas, founder of the Sidonia Institute
and author of The Great Architects of Ours Evidence the
Great Architects of Mars, Evidence for the Lost civilizations on
the Red Planet. We've got to take our final break

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and then we'll continue and wrap up our conversation with George.
Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal, I'm Jeremy Scott.
Stick with us.

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
Into the pair of normal pair of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
On the planet Mars. There's some anomalous objects that have
been found over the years. The face of Mars, the
monolith that buzz Aldrin talked about. We've heard about the
square structure as well. This rock the clearest signs of
life yet, according to NASA George Jay Haas, who is

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a founder of the Sidonia Institute, which is a Mars
research group. It's been around for thirty years looking into
these anomalous discoveries on the red planet. You mentioned your archive.
I mean throughout the years, how many would you say

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anomalous objects have you found?

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
Objects worth discussing and doing some research on. Probably hundreds. Okay,
if your listeners go over to the Sidonia Institute website,
there's a link to a discussion board, the Sidonian Institute
discussion board, and one of the threads on my discussion board,
I have the best examples of structures on Mars, and

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I've posted I think seventy nine so far. I do
like one a week. I put it up there so
if they want to go look at a lot of examples.
And this is all geometrically shaped structures. There's no pictographs
or geoglyphs on this site, on this thread, it's all geometry,
which it's hard to argue against, you know, these being

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just you know, figments of your imagination or paradolia, because
this is all structure. So if they want to go
take a look at that, I invite them to go
through and look at all these formations. Like I said,
I got right there, I have set about seventy nine
and how you counting?

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Yeah, you've done research papers on other of these as
well other objects.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Yes, I've had I think seven science papers published all
on structures artificial structures on Mars. One was done a
couple of years ago on the bad Lands Guardian up
in Calgary, Canada. I don't know if your listeners are
familiar with that Indian shaped head, you know, the bad

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Lands Guardian.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
No, it doesn't rebel. Oh maybe you should have me
back on, okay, I'd love to.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
It's a huge it looks like an Indian face. He's
got feathered headdress, he's got a prominent nose, he's looking
out towards the west, and it's you know, it's huge,
it's gigantic, and it's a pictograph. It was discovered I
think in I think in nineteen eighties by some woman
who was looking for directions to take her kids to
a museum and she saw it on Google, and we

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actually had a science paper published on that. It was
all that face. The bad Lands Guardian was featured on
I think Ancient Aliens and George Haws's on there. Yeah,
the Badlands Guardian.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
That's an interesting one.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
Okay, I'll send you a link to the paper if
if you go to the Sidonia Institute website, it's listed
in the the signs papers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Amazing stuff. Uh so these objects have been been found
for what how many years? I mean when fifty sixty
years or so we've been finding this stuff for the
for back then that on Mars, Yeah, how long have
we been finding these objects?

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Well, they started finding him right off in nineteen seventy
six with the Mars Lander that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Was right at faces fifty years.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Yeah. The DNN Pyramid which is right there in Sidonia.
In my book, the first chapter, I talk about Carl Sagan,
the Pyramids of Elysium, the Sagan Pyramids, which is pretty amazing.
So the whole area there that's just full of one
pyramidal structure after another. Got a whole chapter on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Yeah, and perhaps more of these are still to be
discovered with the you know, with perseverance and with other
missions that will be sent to Mars over the years.

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
Yeah. Well, you know, Jeremy, there's probably structures waiting for
me to find or other people like myself. It's there's
NASA has millions of images that we have to go through.
It's very conssuming, you know, to log on and download
the image and go through the strip, you know, trying
to look for something that looks out of place, like
a geometric structure. So I do a lot of that

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in my spare time. So there's probably NASA has probably
taken pictures of amazing things that we just haven't had
time to look at them or find them yet.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
So what do you do at this Sidonia Institute Exactly
that when someone sends you information or you're going through
images on a somewhat regular basis to find these anomalies,
they tell us, you know what the Saidoni Institute does.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
Well, the Sidonia Institute. I established that back in nineteen
ninety one when we were waiting for NASA to take
new pictures of the face on Mars with the Mars
Global Surveyor, which they didn't take until nineteen ninety eight.
So in anticipation for the Mars project, we were going
through all we had to go through. At that time,

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the only access we had were the Viking images, which
were pretty low quality. And once NASA started taking the
Mars Global Surveyor pictures of the planet, you know, that's
basically when this you know, they the first pictures were
in nineteen ninety eight and this square formation was found
in two thousand and one, so it really wasn't that

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long after NASA started taking these pictures and we were
finding stuff all over the place.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
What do you make of the monolith that Buzz Aldrin
has talked about, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
The the monolith is it's an odd structure. It's almost
like a you know, an ancient Egyptian you know, spike
sticking out of the ground, you know, kind of like
the Washington Monument, and uh, that's totally out of place.
NASA tried to explain it away. It's hard to explain,

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you know, having this thing jutting out of the surface
in the middle of nowhere and has a long shadow.
So it's a pretty high piece of geology if it
is geology, but it's it's probably some type of squire,
some type of you know, temple structure that was built
on the surface. And buzz Aldrin he liked to talk
about that. He was on a lot of talk shows

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and he was convinced that it, you know, needed to
be looked.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
At, but it never has been.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
Well, we have, we have various ptotographs of it, but
you know NASA's NASA hasn't looked at any of these things.
They just they just talk about it, you know, hopefully
we'll get some boots on the ground. You know, with
Elon Musk, you don't hear much about his missions to
Mars lately becaus been drowned out by a lot of
other things. But they still plan on going to the

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moon in Mars wellin the next two years. But you
really don't hear a lot about that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Do you have a sense that maybe that won't happen.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
Oh, I think it's going to happen. And there's a
lot of people in the government that don't want it
to happen. But that's all politics. I don't think we
want to get into politics.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
So you think that we will we will go to
Mars and explore it within our lifetimes.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
Yeah, and if NASA doesn't go, I think Elon's going
to go without them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Okay, so the private if NASA doesn't do it, then
somebody like SpaceX or some of these other yeah, might
eventually explore the Red planet.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Well yeah, well SpaceX is far beyond any of these
other programs, and all NASA provides is the launching pads
for him. And he's got so much money he could
probably build his own. But one of the dirty little
secrets with NASA is that, you know, for you to
leave the atmosphere, you've got to get like government permission.
This is like one of the little loopholes in the footnotes.

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So there's a lot of restrictions that are placed on
any type of space program. It's all controlled by NASA,
which is controlled by the government. I'll see what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Yeah, it's a fascinating conversation. Every time we've had you on,
to look forward to having you back on at another
time again. Tell the audience how they can get in
touch with you.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
Just go on the internet, type in George J. Hawes
everywhere you can go on the Sidoni Institute website. That's
actually the website's going to be updated within the next month.
We're doing some revamping of the website. But they can
contact me on Facebook. I got the just type in
George Jay Hawes. There's a Sidony Institute is on Facebook.

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The book The Great Architects of Mars. I have a
Facebook page and also I'm on X if you want
to follow me on X.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Just did that. Actually, as we speak, George, pleasure having
you on once again. I encourage the audience to check
it out and check out these images and to really
think for themselves. So thanks for coming on.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
Thanks for having me Jamie, and I'll be back on
with the bad Lands Guardian.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
I appreciate that very much, and to friends, I would
appreciate it as well if you would. In this moment
we are in. You know, there is, as they say,
competition within the radio industry, but really we are brothers
and although our shows may be competing for the same

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next time, good night and God bless