Ep. #861: Trey Hudson – What Goes Bump in the Meadow

An area known as "The Meadow" in America's Southland is said to be a hotspot for high strangeness where reality seems to bend, logic doesn't always apply, and even veteran investigators are left shaken. Jeremy welcomes Trey Hudson to discuss the bizarre encounters reported there and the similarities that the phenomena share with other mysterious locations. And what's the current buzz on the odds of alien contact plus an update on comets passing through our solar system.

Episode Transcript

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Step into the song.

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Of the first time on Expiracies and cover into the
pair red not a week ago with Charity Scott.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Well, I have, I guess I have to address the
first and foremost. This is usually inside baseball, behind closed
doors type of stuff, but in twenty twenty five, because
of the Internet and social media, word does get around,
and I have been inundated with requests over the past
forty eight hours or so about whether or not I'm

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going to leave into the pair abnormal takeover Ground zero.
The answer to that is no. So I just want
to make it clear. I'm filling in for Clyde. He's
a friend of mine and he's in the hospital, been
there two weeks after suffering kidney failure and a medical

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emergency and has not been on the air, and that
is not good in radio land to be off the
air when you have affiliates picking up your program. So,
as a friend to Clyde, stepped in a night, and
we'll step in for a night or two more if
called upon. If you can donate to the ground and

(02:04):
Zero with Clyde Lewis go fund me page, it's up
over twenty thousand dollars. So thanks to his listeners who
have supported him in this endeavor speaking on his behalf
since he cannot. That is one way that you can
help him out. My brother in arms in this radio business,

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happy to hold it down for him as many nights
as I can. In addition, of course to doing my show.
I'm not going to abandon this show that we have
taken ten years to build up. Clyde and I share
a passion for doing this. I think we're a little
bit geeky, both of us, certainly on the stranger side

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of things is where we prefer the conversation. So as
wacky as it can get, I mean, as long as
it's clean. One thing that I talked about on his
program the other night was about this poll that came
out actually right before Thanksgiving that dealt with the possibility

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whether or not extraterrestrial life exists. That has been a
hot topic since the release of the Age of Disclosure,
and now there's a Stephen Spielberg movie that's gonna come out.
So whether or not people agree with the possibility that
alien life exists was the gist of this, and many

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say well fifty six percent. In fact, that aliens definitely
or probably exist. That the aliens have visited Earth in
recent years also responds more likely to expect negative consequences
from contact with an alien race than positive consequences, things

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like the spread of diseases, unintentional harm, or even deliberate
high hostility. That's a problem, of course. My question is
what are they waiting for? Caller actually called into Clyde's
show and I had asked him that what are they
waiting for? I mean, maybe they have spread diseases, Aliens

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have been accused of starting pandemics like COVID nineteen, even
unintentional harm because they don't know what they're doing, or
they have screwed up, just like man has screwed up
a time or two, you know, with our weaponry, maybe
they have as well. And a deliberate hostility that the
aliens would be hostile towards the human race again, what

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are they waiting for? Thirty percent say UFOs are probably
alien ships or life forms. And the one thing that
I didn't mention was that about twenty eight percent think
that these objects people are seeing in the sky UFOs
primarily are alien in nature, twenty eight percent. Forty eight

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percent think that there is some other explanation and maybe
it is a natural explanation. Sixteen percent think we will
definitely or probably make contact within the next ten years,
twenty nine percent within the next fifty years, Forty two

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percent say it won't happen for one hundred years or more,
and forty six percent believe that it will not happen
for two hundred years. Would this be something positive or negative?
Twenty nine percent of those asked say that this would

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be negative if an alien civilization revealed itself to us,
fourteen percent you that as being a positive experience. Twenty
eight percent believe that if we encountered aliens, it would
make the world's countries and people more united and more cooperative,

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while a smaller share twenty two percent, say it would
actually make the world more divided and would cause more conflict.
So think about that, if an alien race does come
down to Earth or they've been here all along, and
they show themselves in such a way that we go holy,
you know what aliens are real? Would we start fighting

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amongst ourselves or would we come together? Well, that's what
the people have to say. Tonight, we are going to
go to America's Southland, because I don't think we'll actually
get the specific location of the property that most of

(06:49):
the occurrences will be discussing on the program tonight with
returning guest Trey Hudson, originate from these events of high
strangeness of all different variety. Of course, high strangeness is
a term popular rized in UFO and parormal research to
describe well of the encounters that we talk about on

(07:12):
the program, all sorts of things from UFOs to cryptids orbs,
time distortions, other reality bending effects. So this goes beyond
a single phenomenon. Many times people are experiencing one phenomenon
alongside another. The concept of a high strangeness emerged in

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the late sixties and seventies, largely through the work of
researcher Jay Allen Heinek of Project Blue Book use the
phrase to capture cases that could not be conventionally explained.
Writers like John Keel Jacques Vallet have expanded upon it,

(07:55):
arguing that many anomalous events seem interconnected and not be
isolated incidents. The term high strangeness refers to anomalies that
appear to defy logic, and in Tonight's case, bizarre encounter
is occurring in a place known only as the meadow.

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And that's not because it is some top secret place
that you can't visit, which is sometimes the case when
we're talking about occurrences that we could put into the
category of being high strangeness, is that they are restricted,
or they are shut down no longer actually in operation,

(08:43):
highly secured facilities. Some of these aren't public, but generally
we're not talking about places that are actually accessible. In
this case, it is. And so those who are investigating
the phenomena, do you want to protect its identity? And

(09:06):
I'm sure we can understand why from the cold dark
depths of a secret dungeon somewhere deep in the remote
Pacific Northwest. I'm Jeremy Scott. Things that go bump in
the meadow Tonight on the program Into the Para Normal

(09:52):
Pa to America's Southland, Tonight to investigate events of high strangeness.

(10:15):
Perfect for our program, huh that discusses the subjects somewhere
between the paranormal and the abnormal. I am Jeremy Scott.
We've done so once before with Trey Hudson. It's good
to have him back. It's been a few years. There's
more to the story, as they say, The Meadow Project,
that is, it has come to be known the name

(10:37):
of a documentary and his now two books, The Meadow
Project Explorations into the South's Skinwalker Ranch and Return to
the Meadow Further Adventures at the South's skin Walker Ranch,
which is the more current one. Trey is the director
of the Anomalous Studies and Observation Group or ACOG, which

(10:57):
focuses on investigating incident and places of extreme high strangeness.
He is a backpacked, paddled hiked just about done it
all in the outdoors. Has completed his bachelor's degree in
psychology at the University of West Georgia and also earned
a minor in anthropology. He served in the US Army Reserves,

(11:18):
branched into military intelligence, worked for the federal government as
a seeker as security specialist, and retired from the Department
of Defense in two thousand and three, just to name
a few of his credentials. But he's the author of
two books. As we mentioned on this location, which we'll
get intimate with here tonight as much as we can,

(11:39):
known as the Meadow. He is Trey Hudson, and he
is back on into the pair of normal. How are you.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
I'm great, Thanks for having me excited to come back.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's been a while, it has. We've done almost four
hundred episodes. Are actually probably more than four hundred episodes
since the last time you've been on the program. That
was many, many years ago. You've released this second book now.
But we've got many folks who haven't heard that first conversation.
We should give them a history about what part of

(12:10):
the country we're talking about. I told them the South.
Can we be any more specific than that.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yes, absolutely, I will tell people it is south of
the Mason Dixon line and east of Arizona.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
From our previous conversations, you have also disclosed a little
bit about Yeah, is this a public area, yeah? Or
private area? It's public.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
And you know, one of the things that I'm gonna
go ahead and ask for the indulgence of your listeners,
and you know their forgiveness, I don't disclose the location. Unfortunately,
other areas of extreme high strangeness that have had their
locations disclosed are absolutely inundated by thrill seekers.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
I mean just you know, just swarm.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
And if the exact location of this ever gets out, uh,
you know, pretty much my days of researching this amazing
sider over. So so you know, I I keep it
a secret. All the names in both books are cover
names for actual places. Uh.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I constantly get messages and people approaching me saying, you know,
is it at A B or C?

Speaker 5 (13:22):
You know?

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Is it in Arkansas? Is it in Georgia?

Speaker 5 (13:24):
You know?

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Is it you know? Is it in South Carolina? Tennessee?
And you know our patent response is always, you know,
we don't discuss the location for obvious reasons. So you know,
I think that's fair. You know that what I tell people,
even when they come in our guest researchers, your experiences
are yours, Please take them back and share them. The
only thing I asked that you keep to yourself is

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the location.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
So how many people know this location?

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh gosh? I would have to look at my list
of non disclosure statements, but you're probably twenty uh, you know,
and and if I read out the list of people
that are signed non disclosure statements, you would recognize some
pretty big names there. You know, people in the community
that you know are well known, and even you know,
very very well known people you know have signed the

(14:11):
non disclosure statements, you know, before being read into the project.
And I was featured i think August of last year
of twenty four on the Discovery Channel and I even
had the production crew and the analyst reviewing some of
my videos from the project signed non disclosure statements. So

(14:32):
I'm pretty I'm pretty specific, pretty picky about that.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Okay. So there have been multiple expeditions and with these
group of individuals to the site.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Oh absolutely absolutely. I actually encourage guest researchers to come
out with me, and we're planning an expedition for January.
So it is an ongoing project. It's not a one
and done thing. It is something that we've actually been
working on for the past nine years.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
All right, So how were you tipped off to this?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Look, that's that's a cool story, is uh. I started
off as a ghost guy. I studied under doctor William
Roll at West Georgia, famous parapsychologist. So it was kind
of a goody.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
I mean, a living person studying ghost, not a.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Not a ghost or maybe so no, no, a living
person studying ghost. And thanks for that clarification. Uh some
people wonder, but uh yeah, I uh yeah. So I
was studying a folklore and I found an area that
just had like a lot of really cool folklore. And
I had a folklore of a haunted road. And it

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was the typical you haunted road store. You know, there
was a a remote cemetery and instead of removing the graves,
the you know, the Highway department just paved over some
of the graves. And the spirits became very very irate
at this. And if you drive on this road at
night there they will come up out of their graves
and their ghostly you know finger will rake down the

(16:00):
side of your car and when you get back, you'll
see the streets along the side, et cetera. That kind
of stuff. And you know, I've always loved a good
ghost story. Who doesn't, And so we went out to
investigate this haunted road. And I went out with actually
a pretty well known cryptid researcher, mister Bob Wilson, who
was featured on the Discoveries of Big Footed Reel and
some other TV shows, and so he was getting interested

(16:24):
in some of the paranormal stuff. And we didn't hear squat,
we didn't see squad, we didn't nothing happened. It was
a big goose egg. But back at base camp. Bob
stayed back at base camp and he had an amazing
UFO siding, like a really significant UFO siding. So it's like, now,
forget that haunted road business. Let's check out this area

(16:46):
near base camp. And it just so happens that near
base camp about half a mile away on foot, you know,
there's no roads. There is a big field or a meadow,
that's why we call it the meadow, about eight acres,
and we thought that would be a really cool place
to do research because this area was also known for
cryptis bigfoot, and it was really cool because we could

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put multiple teams out on the periphery with thermal and
night vision. It was a big open area and it
created a natural track trap, so if anything moved across
it while we weren't there, we would be able to
see its footfalls. There was a large ridge to the
south where we could put teams up on the ridge
looking down into it, or have them up there driving
things down into the open area to be captured on

(17:32):
film by our teams below. And lastly, it had a
big expanse of open sky to watch for UFOs because
this area also had the trifecta of ghost stories, cryptis
and a pretty robust history of UFOs. So we started
really researching, you know in Earnest. Well, I'm just looking
at it. It's January of twenty sixteen, so it'll be

(17:54):
ten years you know, in a few months. I really
started looking at this specific place that we call the meadow.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Okay, so you're outdoors. This UFO draws your group to
this meadow and then you return multiple times to it
with additional researchers throughout the years. There's activity that happens
each of these times.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, you know, sometimes you go out there and it's
like anything else, nothing, nothing much will happen. But more
often than not, you know, we have h you know,
we have activity, and it's it's it's kind of become
a kind of pass say is I've had several film
directors come out there, you know, working on projects and uh,

(18:41):
and I always brief though, I said, oh yeah, yeah,
you'll see. Well, what do you see, Trey? What happens
out there? Well, you know, on a slow night, usually
the shadow people will make an appearance, and you'll probably
hear disembodied voices, and then the orbs, you know, will appear,
you know, a little tiny light, little orbs you know,
in the four And you know, for me to say

(19:02):
that being very pass is kind of silly because that's
you know, people would be amazed by that experiencing that.
But that's that's usually what happens. But we've had some
other amazing, amazing encounters out there.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Michael High Strangeness will continue with Trey Hudson tonight, somewhere
between the paranormal and the abnormal, talking about the Meadow Project.
I'm Jeremy Scott into the.

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Speaker 2 (21:00):
This place is very special, extremely special. It ranks very
high on the list of extreme high strange, extreme high strange,
high strang.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
There was all kinds of different phenomena that his team
had documented at.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
The meadow, I mean off at the freaking camp.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
We knew of all the stories that we had heard
and tell over multiple podcasts for the last few years.

Speaker 7 (21:32):
I'm not sure why don't yourself about just turned into
a ball of up.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Something grabbed my legs and was pulling me out of bed.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
The only way I could describe it.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
Was like shadow people everywhere.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
The anticipation parts are ramping up.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
We are big fans and putting ourselves in environments to
see how it unfolds around us. What was that?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Okay, I got that on camera, saw something like real strange.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
I was starting to let myself believe we were getting
too close to the tru that's creaky Joe.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
The Metal projects. All right, tree Headson will tell us
where we can find that. But Treyhadson Research dot Com,
his website, and of course the the books, the Meadow Project,
and return to the Meadow. This is a location south
of the Mason Dixon line, east of Arizona, and that's

(22:25):
as far as we're going to uh get from Trey
at this point. Question is I mean you guys stumbled
upon it? Did anybody else? Was anybody else aware of this?
Has anybody come across this themselves? Or is this something
that only a close knit group of individuals did know

(22:46):
about even to this day?

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, it's you know, the whole region you know has
a lot of high strangeness. Like I alluded to before,
is you know it's known for UFOs it's very well
known for cryptids, and there's a rich folkloric history of
our ghost stories and Native American stories, you know, going
back you know, many many, many generations. So but as

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far as the extreme high strangeness, it was just one
of those those things of you know, just just dumb luck.
You know, like we say down here in the South.
You know, even a blind pig finds an acorn once
in a while. So you know, we just happened to
stumble across it and and we were just absolutely gobsmacked

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by what we found.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
What kinds of activity are we talking about it? Give
us the audience an idea and then we can talk
more in depth about some of them.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah. Absolutely. In twenty sixteen, you know, one of our
first trips out there is we had an individual experience
missing time, which we we kind of blew off, you know,
thinking it was you know, him being distracted, but he
was later observed turning into a ball of light and

(24:05):
moving about one hundred yards really really quickly, and then
turning back into a person, and it really rattled the
team that saw this. They saw him both with their
neked eye and thermal and they thought something very serious
had happened to him, and once the gentleman came over
and they said, oh, my goodness, you know what happened.

(24:27):
How do you feel? You know what just happened? He goes,
I don't know. I just walked over here. And they're like, no,
you didn't. You turned into a ball of energy and moved,
you know, one hundred yards and six seconds. You know,
it had to affect you. And he goes, no, I
just walked over here. Nothing happened. And you know, it
was one of those things that was just so uncanny

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that for years we argued about it and we finally
agreed that there must have been two realities existing at
the same time. Now you see that at the quantum level,
but now we're having it at the macro level. So
that's that's kind of one of the first times when
we really, you know, really really started looking at the
site in July of twenty sixteen, and that's about as

(25:11):
weird as it gets. But you know, but wait, there's more.
In twenty seventeen, we discovered some upright hominids, not hominidts,
upright humanoid figures rather, excuse me, on thermal right. After
seeing a box or a cube sitting in the meadow,
which was only visible on our thermals. Our flear and

(25:33):
a separate team started reporting, you know, down in the meadow.
This was a team up on a ridge that they
were also seeing boxes and cubes in the meadow. Now,
boxes and cubes are very rich in the lore of
hight strangeness, and when we were finally able to all
get together and dispatch a team to an area where
one of these cubes had been, their thermal signature is

(25:56):
completely vanish, but there was nothing in that field that
would obscure their thermal signatures. We did everything we could
to recreate it, even doing a video recreation running both
live camera and thermal at the same time. And the
team that went into this cube, it appears that they

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went somewhere else because the environment was different. It was cold,
it was extremely dark, there was no sound, There were
no brambles and branches when they went in. But after
about ninety seconds inside of this void, when they turned
around and came out, they started encountering briers and things
that weren't there when they went in. And once again
it was like there were two realities existing at the

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same time at the same place, one that was very dark, cold,
with no encumbrances, and one that was the normal environment
of this field. And you know, I don't know, when
you start looking at words for some sort of aperture
that you go into that leads to somewhere else. You
hear the term portal thrown around lot. And the cool

(27:02):
thing is we were able to capture, you know, their
thermal signatures disappearing on film. And that was a thing
that was analyzed by the Discovery Channel and the best
their analysts could come up with was inconclusive because they're
quite frankly, there's no benchmark for this. It was that strange.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Wow, So do you feel a certain way? Do other
individuals report that they feel a certain way when they're
in this location?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, it's you know, it's an area that's really strange.
I personally had in twenty twenty had a really odd
sense of disorientation where we had crossed a large creek
or small river to the north and somehow I ended
up where I started and I thought that I had
discovered a new large open field. Now I was very

(27:53):
excited about it. This is an area I've been to
probably fifty times, but to me it appeared as something
new and novel. Now, I was very excited, and my
teammates became concerned and told me to stay put. They
came over to me and said, Tray, you you literally
walked out of the creek where you stepped into it.
And I said, no, no, no, no, you're wrong. I'm

(28:17):
I'm in somewhere new.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
You kind of alluded to the fact that I, you know,
backpack paddled a hundred big game in Africa, you know,
and done all this stuff. I'm very familiar with the outdoors,
very comfortable in the outdoors. And I became so disoriented
that I forbade anyone to speak to me for ten minutes.
Now I'm the team leader, and I said, everyone just stop,
do not talk to me for ten minutes and let

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me get my wits about me. I was that disoriented. Now,
Luckily I had a team member with me. I had
radio comms back to base camp, and we had also
noticed that we were logging our Geiger counter at it
in logging mode that at that time there was a
radiation spike ap point three to three micro siverts per hour,
which is a well above the baseline of point six

(29:02):
microceivers per hour. So when this disorientation was happening, there
was a radiation spike.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
All right, what happened. We'll finish the story with Trey
Hudson when we come back. Somewhere between the paranormal and
the abnormal. I'm Jeremy Scott.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
Into the pair of dormal, pair of normal.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
I'm Jeremy Scott. Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
Here's Tree Hudson O with a group of their ghost
hunting and they get more than much more than they
bargained for. It's the location that they eventually returned to
over the years, and in one of these experiences, Trees
disoriented and what happened to you?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, luckily I had a, like I said, a team
member with me, and she was able to basically talk
me back into reality if you were and uh, you know,
we never really understood what called that disorientation or radiation space.
What's interesting is if you go back and look at
some of David Plaidi's books, you know, people that survived

(30:36):
these things talk about extreme disorientation. So I always wonder,
you know, if we hadn't had the protocols of never
going out there alone without radio communications you know, could
I have ended up as one of the chapters in
one of his books. So it's just one of those
things that you know, I chalk it off as being
very lucky and luckily and you know, with forethought, we

(30:58):
had safety protocols in place and uh, you know, quite frankly,
could have help helped avoid a tragedy.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Right when you say radiation spike, there's equipment that you
use that was used in this instance and it found
on It's.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
A Geiger counter.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
And what one of the things we do is have
a always record baseline radiation background. And the background radiation
at that site is about point zero six micro sivers
per hour. That's a that's a measurement of radiation. And
at the moment of this this orientation, uh, it spiked
up two point three three micro sivers per hour. And

(31:35):
we've noticed that, you know, when we have events of
high strangeness, we have corresponding radiation spikes. And it's not
just here, but you go to some of the other
areas of high strate and skinwalker rane and other places
the researchers are also reporting these radiation spikes. Now, you know,
what does that mean exactly? Nobody's really, you know, completely sure,

(31:58):
but it seems to be an indicator of extreme high strangeness.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
So the is the individual experiencing on radiation or is
the area around them?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Well, I mean the individual is in the area. I mean,
this is not a dangerous amount of radiation. You know,
don't know, nobody think that. It's uh, you know, we
live with radiation around us all the time. It's you know,
just part of life, and it's just you know, a
tiny bit of radiation that spikes that seems to be
occurring at these areas of high strangeness. So yeah, it's

(32:32):
you know, it's an environmental spike. So it's not like
a docimmeter that you wear on your body is it's
actually a geigert Kunner all right.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
So are there other things kind of like that that
you can detect that you may put two and two
together and say, you know, people are experiencing this weird
high strangeness type of activity, and here's something that correlates
with it.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
One of the things that a lot of people are
finding at other sites are geomagnetic abnormality, you know, their
compasses will get a little wonky, uh, and also EMF
spikes electro magnetic frequencies. Strangely, we don't experience that at
our site. Usually it's just radiation uh and sometimes uh,

(33:15):
you know, people will feel a bit disoriented or a
bit strange, but you know, none of the corresponding em
F uh you know effects that you know people have
at other sites. That's that's how our site's a little
bit different. And you know, I've talked to some folks
in the field and your well known researchers, and they're like,
that's very odd that you know, you're not having these
uh EMF spikes and geomagnetic abnormalities you know, at your site.

(33:38):
But you know, every site's just a little bit different.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Okay, So this says you know, as we say, started
with the UFO siting. That's what got your attention. You
were let into the meadow. How many times have UFO
has been seen in the meadow.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, we we don't concentrate so much just on the meadow.
What we've done is expanded our research out into that,
you know, probably about five miles outside of that. So
you know, there are different sites that we'll go to.
You know, maybe when one expedition we'll focus on one area,
you know, give the meadow a little bit of a rest.
And we've had several UFO sidings, one in particular that

(34:14):
I have on film where two there's a lake near
the meadow, a few miles from the meadow we called
Stephens Lake, and it was two sets of blinking lights
hanging in the sky. Now, I'm also a moof on
field investigator, so I put that hat on and really
started digging into this particular event. I knew exactly the
latitude and longitude of where I was at, I knew

(34:36):
the exact asthmath on my compass on which direction it was,
and I knew the exact time and date. And so
I went back and looked at aircraft flight logs records
and I could not find any kind of corresponding aircraft
in that area. And also it did not you know,
we had ten X binoculars with it. It did not

(34:57):
give the indication of an aircraft with the red and
green new vacation lights, anti collision lights, et cetera. Another time,
we were in an area we called the UFO Field,
which is a huge, probably three hundred acre clearcut area
near there, and we saw an object about the size
of your fingernail and your little finger held out at

(35:19):
arms length, about that size, about the size of an
aspirin held at arms length. Move across the horizon or
the scribe from horizon to horizon in about six seconds. Now,
that's way too fast for a satellite. That's way too
fast for an airplane. And once again we were never
able to determine exactly what that was. But you can
go back into you know, if you know where this

(35:41):
location is, you can go back and look in databases
like the National UFO Reporting Center, move on things like
that and find a lot of UFO sidings in this area.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
So and then along with that, you experienced some missing
time and others did as well. That's indicative of some
sort of on tact experience.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, stranger, you should mention the contact experience. We have
the individual that had the missing time, we actually put
him through hypnotic regression and the therapist was not able
to break through that missing time. He kept coming up
with a blank wall. So whatever blocked out that missing time,

(36:23):
you really put an imprint on the individual. And unfortunately
the gentleman that experience that is dead.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Now okay, well I'll just to interject this because it's
come up a few times in recent programs. Sometimes what
is referred to as UFO amnesia, the individual just forgets it.
They're not allowed to remember details. Yeah, and they're discouraged
from writing it down or taking the record of it.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah. And that's you know, that's uh, that goes right
along with missing time, you know, which can be either
a screen memory, you know, that is placed by your
own psyche to protect yourself from some sort of traumatic event.
You know, people sometimes don't remember traumatic events because it's
their their mind's way of protecting itself. And of course
there's a theory that some other intelligence will either block

(37:09):
that memory or put some other memory just in front
of it. And oftentimes the memory they put in front
of it seems off, seems weird, seems uncanny, and people
can't quite figure out why that memory seems weird. You know,
that is possibly screening some sort of traumatic event, i e. Abduction,
you know, if you believe in that kind of thing

(37:29):
or something else.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
What about the the entities I mean you were talking
about kind of I guess the more the more humanoid
looking ones earlier, but tell us about the variety. Yeah,
that's that's this is where it gets terrestrial cryptid. I
you know, this is where it starts to get kind
of kind of weird. Yeah, I think, you know, kind.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Of over the years, I've stopped really categorizing these things.
Is I just you know, I say entity, I I
just mean an entity. I don't know, you know, is
it a cryptied, is it an alien? Is it a ghost?
I don't know. In twenty seventeen, like I said, we
caught several figures on our thermals that were human sized,

(38:15):
you know, you know, somewhere between five feet six foot,
you know, eighteen inches wide, and you know, we think
that that might have had something to do with the
portal that opened up, you know. At the same time,
we also see shadow people, you know, shadows moving you know,
in your periphery. We did have a film team there
a few years ago that was filming, you know, a series,

(38:40):
and we were doing the nesty session and we actually
caught a shadow person moved behind us and the film crew,
the cinematographer and the production assistant actually saw this with
their naked eye. Freaked them out so bad they'll they said,
they'll never come back to the meadow. So, you know,
we've got the shadow people. We've got the you know,
the the entities that we captured on thermal We have

(39:04):
seen what we believe are cryptids, which are folklorically prevalent
in that area and also here in more modern times prevalent.
But the weird thing is where it gets a little
freaky is when we start digging into the more esoteric
modes of contact, and we use something called the Esties method,

(39:25):
and we also use a device called the God Helmet,
which has just generated some amazing results.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Okay, well, we are at a break point, so that's
a great tease as we're going to now end this
hour and continue into the next hour with Trey Hudson,
who is a move On field investigator, director of the
Anomalist Studies and Observation Group, and author of The Meadow
Project and also returned to the Meadow and featured in
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Speaker 3 (41:37):
I am Jeremy Scott. We're talking about Tree Hudson tonight,
his website tree Hudson Research dot com, Anomalous Studies in
Observation Group move On field investigator, author researcher, and we're
talking with him about a site that is uh well
south of the Mason Dixon line, east of Arizona. It
is public land, but for obvious the reasons not disclosing

(42:01):
any further than that. And through their investigations not only
of that site but the surrounding area, they have had
quite a variety of experiences contact of all kinds. And
you were talking about getting ready to tell us about
some methods that are used.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, one of the things that we use is something
called the STS method. Now, anybody you know that's watched
any of the paranormal shows or anything like that might
be familiar with it. It's where you take a standard
ghost box, you know, that scans through the FM or
AM frequencies, you know, and you're hoping that little snippets
of words will come out. You use a standard ghost box,

(42:41):
you take job site earbuds which cancel out outside sound,
and you plug that into the output and you put
that on an individual. Then over that you put ear
muffs in a blindfold, and so the individual can't hear
anything or see anything other than what comes through that
ghost box. And their instructions are, when you hear an

(43:05):
intelligible word, repeat it. It doesn't matter how stupid it sounds,
just repeat it. So if you hear come quiet, you
say come quiet, or Rudeberger or whatever. And so we
were doing that experiment, you know, in the meadow. Actually
in the meadow. We took our equipment out there.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
And we.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Believe that we entered into a two way communication with
an entity. And uh, that's that particular video is seen
in the film The Metal Project. Also, the transcript of that, uh,
that event is in my first book, and it's a
back and forth between myself as the interrogator, and my

(43:48):
UH one of my researchers, Darryl Nice, as the receiver.
And what's really interesting about that is when we start
to get into phenomenologies of the potential UH reasons for
the portal that we had experienced in twenty seventeen, is
the entity that we were communicating with becomes very agitated,
very very upset, like it did not want us delving into.

(44:13):
You know, were these portals the result of electromagnetism and
plasma energy, you know, radiation et cetera, et cetera. And
it became very very very agitated, you know when we
started really digging down into that. And whenever I present
to this particular a film footage you know at a
conference or a lecture, is always throw the caveat out there.

(44:34):
You know, Folks make up your own mind. You know,
if you think we were making contact, great, If you don't,
that's great too. But after people see that video clip,
almost to a person, when I asked who think we
made contact, the hands go up. So that's one method
that we use, the Esties method. And of course the
other method we use as a I think called the

(44:56):
god helmet.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Right that was the other one.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
What is that the god helmet is basically comes from
some research done by doctor Michael Persinger and Stanley Korn
at Laurellian University in Canada, and what if they were doing.
What they were doing was experimenting with artificial creation of
mystic experiences. And to do this, they were using electromagnetic

(45:22):
stimulation of various portions of the brain, and one portion
of that seemed very receptive. This is something called the
left amygdala. And so they developed this helmet like device
with electromagnetic magnets on it and they would use a
pre program pattern to stimulate different parts of the brain.

(45:43):
And people that went through this experiment described having a
feeling of presence around them, like they felt entities were
around them when nothing was near them. Some of them
have very mystical experiences. Some of them report having a
religious experience seeing you know, a deity, you know, God

(46:03):
if you will, And that's where the name god helmet
came from. Now, you know, since the original experiments, I
believe we're back in the eighties, everything has been miniaturized
and there are a few god helmets in private hands
out there, and a few that are small enough and
light enough that are field deployable that can be taken

(46:26):
out to remote areas. I have one of those, and
so we have started experimenting with a electromagnetic stimulation of
people's brains and areas of high strangeness. And the results,
in my opinion, are breathtaking, absolutely breathtaking.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
So there's a correlation, yes, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
What we did is we first started, you know, putting
people through these helmet god helmet sessions, and they would
experience things like feelings of calm, you know, maybe feelings
like people were standing around them when no one was present,
but nothing extraordinary. And you know, I continued with this

(47:15):
with a theory that perhaps by having people open up,
you know, their mind by doing something called a hemispherical intrusion,
which is forcing both hemispheres of the brain to cooperate,
is that it would possibly prime the pump for other
instances of high strangeness. And here, within the past year

(47:38):
the experiences have become more profound. We did an experiment
back last November and the individual reported having visions of
beings around him, visions of a long hallway with a
cube at the end of it, you know, things like that.

(48:02):
And we had a very unique opportunity to take some
of the still footage of this of this individual going
through this session and send it to Stephen Leah of
a Hidden World's Quantum Imagery from you. People might know
him from the blind Frog Ranch show and Skinwalker Ranch
and things like that, and he has a proprietary method
of pulling quantum data out of still imagery. And so

(48:24):
when Steven started applying his processes to this, he said,
you know, I see this guy sitting here in this
chair with this device on his head, and he said,
something's happening to the left side of his head. You know,
I don't know what it is. That doesn't make any sense.
It just looks like he has electrodes, you know, measuring brainways.

(48:46):
What's happening to this guy's head. And unbeknownst to Stephen,
who had no idea what the experiment was, he just
had a still thick picture of it as we were
putting energy into the subjects left amygdala. So he pulling
that quantum data out of his process, and then he says,
it looks like there's a torus, a toroidal field surrounding

(49:08):
his head, like there's some sort of process going on.
And then he says, coming out of the right side
of him is a series of faces of entities inside
of black cubes. Now, Steven did not know about the
Metal Project, did not know about the cube shaped portals.
He did not know about the subject's interview where he

(49:30):
said he experienced entities. And basically both individuals had blind
experiences from the other and it verified the experience with
the god helmet and the presence of what they call
malofacial constructs or faces or heads makes us think that

(49:53):
these things are always around us. They're always with us.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
All right, talking about the Metal Project tonight with Trey Hudson.
Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. I'm Jeremy Scott.
We'll be back right after.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
This, into the Pair of normal parent all right.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
I'm Jeremy Scott. Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
Tonight we call the program into the pair of normal,
and we appreciate you being with us wherever you may be.
We're talking with our guest tonight. His name is Trey Hudson,
director of the Anomalist Studies and Observation Group. He's a
field investigator with the Mutual UFO Network and of course
an experiencer himself. And as we've been discussing your research,

(51:07):
your team's research into these contact methods, these experiences, and
with some stimulation, it seems like these experiences are enhanced.

Speaker 5 (51:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Absolutely, that's that's kind of our hypothesis that we can
you know, we can actually generate or you know, jump
start these experiences. And you know, we were wondering if
this was a one off. We were recently up in
the Land between the Lakes in Kentucky working on a
project and had two individuals go through God Helmet sessions

(51:44):
while while we took the equipment out there, and once again,
their experiences were very profound, with visions and you know,
audio hallucinations and things like that. And one very well
known individual, you know, very well known in the encryptied
researching world, went through it and he had a vision
while going through the God Helmet of a particular archetype.

(52:08):
And as it turns out, on the other side of
the campground, about one hundred meters away, there was a
group of other researchers that we're talking about something that
matched the art arc type that he experienced during his session.
So it's it's almost like it also jump started. Uh.
Uh you know, some sort of psychic communication, you know,

(52:30):
psychic speak, mind speak between individuals, or manifestation or manifestation
and it. Uh, you know, the the just the the
the possibilities of this uh, this equipment are endless. So
you know, we're developing new protocols, new experiments. You know,
we're starting to kind of tweak out you know, how

(52:51):
we use the equipment and uh, you know, I think
the uh, you know, this is just the beginning, right
who knows.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Yeah, how common are some of these experiences with these
methods and without these methods.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
You know, you always have people that you know, have precognition,
you know, can our our psychic things like that. There
are people that have natural abilities. There are also people
that have developabilities to things like learning how to do
coordinate remote viewing, which was used by the Army and
the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
So you know it's not uncommon. You know, you can
develop these skills.

Speaker 6 (53:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I think one thing that we're doing which is a
little bit unique, is we're using uh, you know, instead
of using external uh stimulation like d MT or cybocillin
or things like that, we're actually using technology. We're using
electromagnetic fields and getting some of the same effects, which
I think is kind of exciting. So you know, we're

(53:51):
going to continue, We're going to continue trying to break
through the barriers of you know, this this this psychic
experimentation and see where it takes us.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Yeah, all right, So what about some of the other
phenomena that have been witnessed during some of these experiences
out in the matter? You talked about the missing time
and the cryptids, But but what oh then yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Oh yeah, there's plenty, plenty more, plenty more. Yeah. The
one of the cool things we had is we had
tried in twenty twenty to do a a CE five session.
You know, people are familiar perhaps with doctor Stephen Greer's
you know methodology where you will sit in an area,
you'll project intent into the universe and perhaps have a

(54:40):
you know, siding of a UAP or UFO. So we
went out to the meadow and tried that. And several
of the guys and gals on our team are trained
remote viewers, trained in coordinate remote viewing, so we we
were confident that we would be able to have an experience,
and we didn't. Nothing happened and we were rather you know,
rather disappointed by that. Went back to camp, you know,

(55:03):
sat around the campfire, you know, chet chatted a while,
and everybody turned in. This was a Saturday evening. Sunday morning,
one of my team members named Tony approached me and said, hey, Trey,
I need to tell you about what happened to me
last night. After I went to sleep. He said, I
woke up about four thirty with this This term just
etched into my mind. This term was knox and ox

(55:26):
magbi m A G b ee And he said that
I just could not shake it. This term was just
you know, it was just just burned into my psyche.
And he says, I went back to sleep. I woke
up again at six thirty and the term was still there.
Does that mean anything to you? And I said, no,

(55:47):
it doesn't mean anything to me, but you know, I'll
look into it. So I started digging into it. And
the term knocks in o X turns out to be
the name of the Roman goddess of the night, he
rules the night. Magbi. Actually, I found in the Old
English point Beowulf the term magma, which means children are kindred.

(56:10):
Now it's reasonable that a speaker of Old English would
also have some knowledge rudimentary knowledge of the Roman uh
patheyon of you know, mythology, the Roman god and goddesses.
So you put it together and you get knox Magbi,
which means children of the night goddess. So what do

(56:33):
we have that are small like children that come into
people's rooms at night, that have big heads and interact.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
With them, The typical grays.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
The typical grays. So you know, I have to ask myself.
Was our CE five session a bust And based on
the experiences of one of my other team members, I'd
say absolutely not. Through the night that we had the
portal sighting in twenty seventeen, she started having dreams of

(57:07):
orbs coming into her bedroom through the window and she
would wake up sometimes after this with marks on her body,
like scratches and bruises, thinking that that was a, you know,
a very interesting, you know, experience worthy worthy of further study.

(57:28):
We have a psychotherapist on our staff, on the AESOG staff,
so we we had him put her through a hypnotic
regression and during hypnotic regression and the whole transcript of
these sessions during my second book, she describes during regression,
these orbs coming into her room and dropping below the

(57:49):
footboard of her bed and grabbing her feet and holding her,
and her fighting with these things, and that there manifesting
a large upright fig year beside her bed, and she
describes it as an old female. Now that's an arc
type of the old throne or old woman, which you

(58:13):
know goes back in folklore all the way back to
you know, very basic archetypes, you know, Russian folklore, Bobba Yaga,
you know, in her chicken footed house, and you know
the spearfinger witch of Cherokee legends, and you know, and
all the way up to the witch mythology. And this
this old crone was trying to remove her from her bedroom.
Now you take all this and put it together, it

(58:35):
sounds a lot like an abduction experience, you know, something
like you would read about in you know, one of
the books by John Mack or Bud Hopkins. Sure, so
you know that is we're continuing, you know, doing regression
and exploring that. So now we've got possible abduction phenomenon
going on with team members. So you know, this place

(58:57):
runs the absolute gambit of just a every weird thing
you can think of our folks are experiencing, and it's
evolved to the point now that people are being physically touched.
You can actually feel you know them, Yes, yes, being

(59:18):
touched by the entities.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
So much touched and much much worse than that.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, yeah, uh, you know. We actually had Katie Page,
who is the researcher well known for the uh you know,
the Colorado Ranch which Katie you know, uh, took me
out there. Actually I got to visit that place, which
which is really cool. But she had come out to
the meadow and had an amazing experience with her traveling
companion while researching out there.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
All right, we got to pause somewhere to come with
Trey Hudson tonight, somewhere between the pair of normal and
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Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
All right, quite fascinating tonight, I will say our discussion.
We're with Trey Hudson, who is director of ASOG Anomalous
Studies and Observation Group, a field investigator with Moufon's written
The Metal Project and also returned to the Meadow. The
documentary is The Metal Project and his website tree Hudson
research dot com where you can find more about all

(01:02:17):
of this. All right, so out at this site. Very
familiar with Katie Page actually have had her in person
interviewed her and what did she experience out there?

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, she had come down as a guest researcher, you know,
to the meadow. She's been out there twice and there
was a series of smaller fields, probably about half a
mile from the main meadow. And you know, in typical
you know, cheesy form, we call these fields the Field

(01:02:48):
of Nightmares and the Field of Dreams, just because they
had to call them something that sounds cooler than field
A and field B. So, so we had had one
of our team members and we call this the Bohonkas incident,
that she felt something grab her rear end while she
was sitting in her uh her field chair, you know,
in one of these fields researching and there was no

(01:03:10):
one around her. Something grabbed her on the rear end,
her bohakas and uh, she was physically touched, and we
thought maybe this was a one off. Well, Katie had
brought a traveling companion with her and the traveling companion
actually had his hoodie tugged pulled on by some unseen force.

(01:03:33):
So what is happening with the meadow is when you
think you have it figured out, it throws you these
weird curveballs that kind of says, yeah, you think you
have me figured out, but you really don't. I'm going
to do something totally unexpected and you know, really really,
you know, mess with you. And that's been our experience.

(01:03:56):
Uh you know, it was recently is June that has
continuously throwing us these weird curveballs in ways that we
weren't expecting. And a thing that happened in June. You know,
I'm still trying to get my brain around because it
leads us to the belief that not only are we
not alone, we're never alone.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
So very unpredictable. I mean, most of the activity is
although sometimes people experience much of the same over and
over again, not necessarily the case here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Right right, We were researching with another group, Southeastern Encryptied
Research Organization, in a place in Georgia and not the Meadow,
somewhere totally in a totally different state.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
And we.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Had set up in this area which was really well
known for cryptids. You know, we had experienced a lot
of cryptids there before, and we had teams set up
about a quarter of a mile from each other. One
of the teams, tames consisted of the individual who went
through the really remarkable god helmet experiment that was reviewed
by Steven Leo. That was one individual and he had

(01:05:08):
a newer team member with him and this was her
first time out ever doing any kind of cryptid research
or high strangeness research. So they were set up in
an area that we call Ambush Alley, and we called
that because it has like on one side, it has
a very high hill, and we have some military members
on our team, and you know it would be a

(01:05:28):
good place for an ambush, So we called Ambush Alley
and they came on the radio. And remember the other
teams are each team is about a quarter of a
mile away from each other. They come on the radio
and he says, this guy's a retired law enforcement officer,
former marine, very squared you know, squared away, boots on

(01:05:50):
the ground, solid dude. He says, they're all around us.
We're getting activity all around us. So we're like a
cool you know, we came out here for cryptid activity.
It's actually happening. This is an area where we've had
activity before. And then he comes on the radio and
he goes, they're here, and then the team lead for

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that particular expedition comes on, gets back on the radio
and says, are you okay? And this former marine comes
back and he says, I don't know, I don't know
if I'm okay. So everybody's alarm bell start going off,
and we needed to start vectoring a quick response force
to him immediately. The closest one was about a quarter
of a mile away, so they quickly that was Kristin

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and Tony where that team the responding team. So they
quickly packed up their gear and started moving out. The
rest of us packed up our gear, and we're close behind.
So when Kristin and Tony get up to these two
team members, the female, the new female, the novice, actually
grabs Tony six foot four gentlemen, very big guy, and

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she grabs them by the hand and squeezes his hands,
and she says, are you real? Are you real? And
then both of the effective team members just basically lose it.
That had a very traumatic experience after going through the
after action review. What they described is they were sitting

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there and they started hearing noises all around them, and
then the environment changed. Trees that were in front of
them in the normal environment were no longer there a
fog had come in and enveloped them. And you can
go back and look at the book Dark Matter Monsters
by doctor Simeon Hine, and he kind of talks about

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this is a fog or mist came in and the
environment changed. They were somewhere else and it became so
disorienting that they actually grabbed and held hands because they
didn't know if they would make it back to our reality.
They felt like they were somewhere else. And the novice

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female described it as the upside down like in Stranger Things,
except this wasn't a TV show. This was real and
both of those folks or a psychological mess when we
got there, and you know, looking back, you know, putting
my my psychology hat on, I think both of them

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still suffer from PTSD because of that. This was not
at the Meadow, but yet, in my opinion, the Meadow
decided to reach out and touch them to let them
know that, Hey, I'm still here. I've got you on
my radar and I'm always watching.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
And as far as this location versus others, have you
found that there are some commonalities like things that happen here?
It sounds like the answer is yes, are also happening
in other locations, not only random locations, but also some
of the more famous ones like start Us Ranch and

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brad Saw Ranch and maybe even the Skinwalker Ranch.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Yeah yeah, Actually in this the second my second book,
I talk about Bradshaw Ranch and Stardust Ranch and I
look at a correlation between these different sites.

Speaker 7 (01:09:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Yeah, there's a definitely commonality in these and you know
some of the things that are very common. Cryptids are
very common, or cryptid like creatures. You know, Katie talks about,
you know, when her description of the uh of the
Colorado Ranch, and you go back and you read the
National UFO Reporting Center report done by doctor Leo Sprinkle

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and doctor Kerr. They talk about interviewing the occupants of
that ranch and them seeing bigfoot like creatures. We have
seen bigfoot like creatures. The bigfoot like creatures we've seen
at the meadow and have also seen at this other
place in Georgia. The weird thing is is on our thermals,
they are just about the same temperature or colder than

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the ambient surroundings.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Interesting. We've got to take a break. We'll be back
with Trey Hudson.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
Into the pair of normal, pair of normal.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
I'm Jeremy Scott, somewhere between the par of noormal and
the abnormal. That's how we get to end to the
pair of normal and we love be you being with us. However,
many nights of the week that you are across the USA,
our website is pairubnormal radio dot com. That's where you
can find the show's information about all the guests who
have been there. Use that search feature, type the guests

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name in there to all sorts of information about them,
including the past shows. If you're new, you might want
to check out, say, episode four hundred and fifty five,
which was the first time that Trey Hudson was on
this program, talking with him tonight, author of the Metal Project.
Explorations into the souths Skinwalker Ranch and Return to the
Meadow Further Adventures at the South Skinwalker Ranch. Also the

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documentary This is the documentary has already been released, right
the book is out now. Folks can access both of those.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Yeah. Actually, I tell people, you know, if you want
the whole Meadow experience is watch the documentary and read
the books because it gives you a lot more depth.
And there's a really cool mini documentary of about twenty
minutes called Helm and Lens, which talks about our experiments
with the god helmet and the quantum imagery analysis done

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by Steven Lea.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
All Right, anything more you wanted to say about the
commonalities that you've found in this research.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Yeah, you know, we've we've found and you know in
our specific incidents that these cryptids that are just about
ambient or maybe a little colder than the ambient temperature
you know, of the environment, which is not the way
a warm blooded creature would show up on thermal So
that seems to be common. If you look at the
bigger picture, cubes or boxes seem to be common. That

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you've seen that at Skinwalker Ranch, You've seen that at
the Colorado Ranch, You've seen that at the meadow. Uh.
You know experience uh cube experiences down in Brazil and
other places around the world. Uh orbs are very common.
You know, almost uh you know, almost one hundred percent
of these places will have some sort of orb or
flashes of unexplained light you know, in the environment that

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they can't describe. I'm missing time is common. So you know,
that's that's something that I hope that you know comes
out of this as you know, more people are talking
about this, the researchers will start comparing notes and we
can maybe start digging down onto some common out these
signatures and indicators of high strangeness, and maybe we can
locate some more of these spots, you know, located you know,

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not only you know, in far off places, but perhaps
in our own backyards.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
For instance, people sometimes report seeing orbs or these flashes
of lights that coincide with many of the events that
we've discussed tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Right, Yes, absolutely absolutely, it seems like these orbs and
small that we call them fairy lights, very small twinkles
of lights, you know, where there shouldn't be lights, are
pretty common.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Which could indicate that what it's an electrical discharge or
what Doctor Simmon Hine has talked about ball lightning something
to that effect.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Yeah, ball lightning, or doctor Hines talks about something called
extreme vacuum objects or exotic vacuum objects. I'm sorry, and
you can go into the research of doctor Wheeler and
others on that. That's actually you know, these things manifesting
in our uh, you know, in our environment. And the
cool thing about that is if you read you know,
you know, some of the doctor Hines book the ball

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lightning is actually colder than the ambient surrounding. It's not hot.
So that's another kind of weird commonality is manifestations of
high strangeness that are colder than the ambient surroundings.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Interesting. Well, Trey, it was a pleasure having you on
the program tonight again. Tell the audience how they can
contact you, how they can find your work. Where is
it available?

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Yeah, yeah, just go behind the liquor store and look
in the alley. I'm usually a sleep under a cardboard box. No,
I'm kidding. The best place to find me is Trey
Hudson dash author on Facebook. I usually hang out there.
Trey Hudson Research dot com. You can find my books
on Amazon. Just type in Trey Hudson in the search
block and hit enter. I'll pop up. And you can

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also go to Merclefilms dot com and that's where you
will be able to purchase and watch the Meadow Project
and the add on documentary Helm and Lens.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
All right, fantastic, best of you, Trey. It was a
pleasure talking with you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Thank you for having me. Let's not have it such
a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Sure, absolutely would love to do it again.

Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
Sounds good.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
All right, that's a Terry Hudson. But think about it.
If there was a location and you knew that high
strangeness type of activity was taking place there, would you
tell all of your friends? Would you tell strangers so
they could come in there and muck it all up?

Speaker 7 (01:15:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
I think you would keep it to yourself so that
it is available for you for continued research over the years.
Interesting stuff on the program tonight, Hey, before we go,
we've got an update to actually a few of them
on three i at lists and other commentary objects. In fact,
more images of three i at lists. This is the

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third interstellar object that has ever made an appearance from
outside of our Solar system. It's traveling through our Solar
system right now and has made a close approach behind
the Sun, and now it's headed within one hundred and
seventy million miles of Earth in two weeks actually from tonight,

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and then onto Jupiter and out of the Solar system,
never to return again. So the time is now to
capture all of the evidence that we're ever going to
get during a close approach. In early November, the European
Space Agencies Juice spacecraft captured images of three iatlis using

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its navigation camera. Scientists observed its coma and signs of
two tails, a bright plasma tail and a fainter dust
tail with her, which are both typical of comets heated
by the sun. Juice also used five scientific instruments during
this encounter to analyze the object's makeup and behavior, including

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imaging and particle readings, but the data transfer has so
far been slow. Full scientific results are not expected on
Earth until late February. How's that for a tease, So
a few more months before those images will come to us,
and what they will show remains to be seen. An

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observation by NASA's Hubble Space Telescope on November thirtieth, using
its wide field camera three instrument, captured the interstellar object
about one hundred and seventy eight million miles from Earth.
Hubble tracked the comet as it moved across the sky,
and you can see background stars appear as streaks of
light in the image. This is the second time Hubble

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has observed three I Atlas, after spotting it shortly after
its discovery in July of this year. A number of
NASA missions have since studied the comet, and there are
these observations ongoing. As we mentioned, three Iyatlis is nearing
its closest pass to Earth in two weeks, and so

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these are continuing. We will get more images over the
coming weeks and months, and three i atlasts may have
erupted with cryo volcanoes as it moved closer toward the
Sun in October. The findings, currently posted as a not

(01:18:22):
yet peer reviewed study, suggests that the comet's surface materials
resemble those of icy bodies beyond Neptune, of course, known
as trans Neptunian objects that we've discussed previously. Scientists observed
the comet brightening and releasing jets as it neared perihelian
with the Sun on October twenty ninth, and then recent

(01:18:43):
observations have identified a repeating light pulse every sixteen or
so hours. Researchers say this likely reflects the object's rotation,
causing periodic brightening as pockets of ice face the sun
and release gas and dust. Of course, most researchers interpret

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the periodic pulsing as natural comet behavior, just as NASA concludes.
This object is a comment. But wait, there is another
comet that is doing cool things that we can't not
mention during this segment. NASA's Punch mission has tracked Commet
C twenty five R two, otherwise known as Swan, and

(01:19:29):
it's done so every four minutes for nearly forty days now,
so this would make it possibly the most frequent monitoring
of a comet that has ever been done. That is fascinating.
The images taken from late August to early October show
the newly discovered comet moving between Mars and the star Spika,

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and during that period Swan briefly shared the same region
of sky with three I Atlas, which can actually be
seen passing below it in time lapse images. The comets
tail shifted in response to the solar wind, illustrating how
comet tail serves natural markers of solar activity. As we mentioned,

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several of these are all kind of coinciding as we
end out the year and now, of course, after the
third super moon consecutive months, and there'll be another one
in January, so they'll be the fourth straight month with
a supermoon, there is a lot to see in the sky,
including meteor showers that are peaking this month. Always love

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talking about this stuff. Friends from the cold dark depths
of a secret dungeon somewhere deep in the remote Pacific Northwest.
Have a great weekend. We will talk to you next time.
Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. I'm Jeremy Scott,
good night, and Adlass, structor statu