Ep. #864: Greg Cisko – UFO Videos / Trevor Doyle Nelson – Bugonia

The Pentagon's UAP office has released newly declassified videos showing anomalous objects, most of which remain unidentified after review. Jeremy welcomes Greg Cisko to discuss MUFON's analysis of UFO videos and the challenges with some of these clips. Plus, Trevor Doyle Nelson talks about how his lifelong obsession with aliens and UFOs caught the attention of the cast of the film, "Bugonia", and Hollywood's role in ushering in disclosure.

Episode Transcript

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From the cold, dark deeps of a secret dungeon somewhere
deep in the remote Pacific Northwest. A bunker has never
been more fitting than right now, forty eight hours out
from the arrival of interstellar Object three I. Atlasts and
governments worldwide have recently been conducting planetary defense drills. Doesn't

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that feel comforting from the cold somewhere between the paranormal
and the abnormal, Friends, Welcome to the program tonight. The
timing certainly is interesting. It is a fueled speculation that
these planetary defense drills are in response to the unpredictability
of interstellar Object three I at Lias, which makes its

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close approach on Friday. Officials have described the exercises as routine,
but some analysts have noted that the timing and scale
are worth mentioning. There was a three day European Space
Agency simulation which activated its full planetary defense systems, followed
by Japan's Accelerated Asteroid Impact Drill and a US Space

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Force orbital tracking exercise was moved up from twenty twenty six.
Additional joint drills involved countries that rarely publicize such activities,
including Australia, South Korea and Brazil. The exercises focus on
tracking high velocity, non gravitationally accelerated objects. Fancy terminology, but

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it sounds a whole lot like three I Atlas to me.
Stay tuned. I'll have more on that tomorrow night. On
Ground Zero sitting in for Clyde lewis also the All
Domain Anomaly Resolution Office ARROW. This is the Pentagon's UAP office.

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They have released some newly declassified videos DUMP six clips
on their website on December fourth, and then again on
December ninth. ERO says they came from the US European
Command Area of responsibility. Five are marked as unresolved meaning unidentified.

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One is said to be birds. Of course, it is
a common to not have a resolution for these videos
and that is still with the best and the brightest
looking at them, the fact that many cannot be identified
is telling mofon which is the Mutual UFO Network. They

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have a photo analysis team and they occasionally review sightings
in the news and while they have yet to do
an official analysis of these latest that were released by EERRA,
one of its members joins US tonight. Greg Cisco has
been an avid student of UFO phenomena since the late
nineteen sixties. He was a combat engineer in the US

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Army and worked at one of America's premier particle physics laboratories.
As a serious amateur astronomer, Greg has longed hundreds of
hours of sky observation since nineteen seventy and as a
regular participant in the amateur astronomy community, he uses his
experience in astronomy to aid in his investigation of UFO cases.
Having joined the Mutual UFO Network and in twenty fourteen

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is national director in India and Sri Lanka in addition
to be member of their photo analysis team. Greg, welcome
back to the program.

Speaker 8 (04:32):
Thank you very much for having me. I appreciate the
opportunity to explain what Muthan's photo analysis team does.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Sure so, I mean this is a work that several
members conduct. You get pictures and you get videos. Sometimes
these are pictures taken from videos that you guys take
a look at from a critical eye.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Correct.

Speaker 8 (04:53):
We like to look at the metadata to at a
minimum confirm the time and date, if possible, the location
that the witness has claimed that the video was taken from,
and sometimes we do find discrepancies, but we also have
various tools to try to look to see whether photoshop

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or any other tool was involved with manipulating the photo.
We don't really like to work on photos well, we
can't really work on photos that have been previously manipulated
or have had the metadata hidden or erased, so kind
of like confirming somebody's identity, we like to confirm the

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identity and the origin of the photos or videos.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
I'm guessing that's probably harder to verify in the times
of artificial technology taking over the Internet.

Speaker 8 (05:56):
That has really only been in the last couple of years,
and to date there really hasn't been much of an
issue with that because if you have an artificial artificial
video that's created with artificial intelligence. The metadata that you
would normally find in a camera or a cell phone

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would not be there anyway, so that would be a
dead giveaway. So we like to find out what the
equipment is that was used to take the image, and
we confirm that the video or image that we received
is at minimum one of the formats that the camera
or DSLR would be able to produce an image or

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video from. So we do our due diligence at least
as far as that to try to confirm the video
is what the witness says that it is all right.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
What is better video or pictures or does it depend?

Speaker 8 (06:58):
It really depends, and what is better is to have
complete metadata. In some cases, we have seen metadata in
images and video that even include the GPS location and
it's so accurate that it will tell you the vector
that the camera was pointing when it took the picture.

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So north is like zero ninety degrees is east, one
hundred and eighty degrees is west, and that information in
some cases depending on whether the owner of the cell
phone turns that feature on or off, especially on iOS devices,
Apple phones, iPhones, you can turn that on or off

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and you can kind of tell almost exactly where the
camera was pointing in some cases because the metadata is
so good.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Okay, so tell us how this process usually works. I
imagine you're all sitting around a table. Of course, it's
twenty twenty five, and so it's more virtual. I can
imagine where everybody would take a look at these images
and would provide their analysis as part of this team,
and then in some cases do you render a decision

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or a verdict.

Speaker 8 (08:16):
So basically what happens is exactly as you've mentioned, where
there's a team of four to five members and one
of the directors of investigation will send an email with
a case number to ask us to look at a
video or photograph, and then a lot of times we

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will go and look in our case management system to
actually look at the case and what the investigator had
worked on, what they found out, and what they've determined,
because sometimes there's more information there, especially if the interview
has been completed with the witness, to give more a

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clue as to what is actually in the video or
a picture or what is going on. And in some cases,
even though you might think that we're just looking at
the pictures or the videos, we do try to reinvestigate
the case on top of what the original investigator had done.
So it's kind of like asking a doctor for a

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second opinion.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
It's a reinvestigation, almost, but comparing it with a critical
eye to the photographic and the video evidence. Talking with
a member of MUFON's Photo analysis team tonight, Greg Cisco,
I'm Jeremy Scott. Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal,
on into the pair of normal.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
We'll be back into the pair of.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
If you're following along tonight, you can go to a
R DOT m L you'll be able to find a
listing of some of these videos. And it's hard to
do on the radio to follow along with some of
the imagery, but if we give you heads up and

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tell you where to go, maybe you can pull them
up and you can play them as we might play
them some of them during our conversation Greg and I
and give our real time opinion of them. So if
you'd like to play along a R O DOT MI
I L and you can find the videos, they're listed
under the new video under UAP imagery section. Talking with

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Greg Cisco of move On Photo Analysis Team. Because there
have been these new videos that have been dropped within
the past couple of weeks on Arrow's website, and we're
talking with him is just to find out what MUFON
does when they get cases somewhat like these, but also
others submitted by ordinary citizens. It can be tough. Even

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when you have metadata, you have all the information to
really even know what you're looking at, right.

Speaker 8 (11:32):
That is correct. Many times we don't know the distance
to the object that is in the video or the picture,
so it's kind of hard to judge things from that.
A lot of the videos we get, the witness is
trying to track the object and they're moving their cell

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phone as they're trying to track the object, so it's
very difficult to try to get a perspective on what
you're looking at. But the number one item from my
perspective my experience, is you don't really know the distance
between the observer and the object that they're filming or

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taking a picture of. That that's the big one.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
And of course, if you're just wanting to look at
these and go ooh and ah, that's one thing. But
if you're trying to reach a conclusion, you can't necessarily
always do this, and that's why there are many unresolved cases.

Speaker 8 (12:32):
That's correct. You can have a bug fly really close
to the camera and it will look like a half
mile wide mothership going by if the distance was three
miles out. So the perspective means everything. It's just very difficult.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Could look like a mother ship.

Speaker 8 (12:52):
It could, and in some cases, if the bug is
close enough and flying by fast enough, you could get
a streak that looked like a cigar shape. It's nothing
more than the bug smearing across the pixels during the
time that the camera's shutter was open.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
I'm guessing very mofon has seen a few cases like that.

Speaker 8 (13:14):
Absolutely, That's how I know about it. It's one of
the nice things about being on a team as you
get experience from everybody up to an including our chief analyst,
which is the legendary Mark D'Antonio. So it's a wealth
of knowledge. I'm thrilled to be on the team because
we're always learning and I try to participate wherever we can.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Mark's going to join us on ground zero tomorrow talking
about three IAT lists.

Speaker 8 (13:40):
Excellent, excellent. He's definitely the source on that. We've had
some experiences together talking about three IAT lists, so it should.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Be a good program.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
What information additional information that is, can witnesses provide to
make it to be helpful to investigators such as yourself
or analysts.

Speaker 8 (14:05):
For sure, the time and date, the direction that they
were pointing when they were taking the picture. A lot
of times we will use websites like flight Radar twenty
four and we can confirm whether there was an aircraft
in the area at the time. And in many cases
we can't affirm exactly which aircraft was spotted in the

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image that we're trying to investigate. We can also examine
the video and tell whether it was a bird or
other animal like that. But mostly if the witness were
to tell us the direction and the altitude that they're looking,

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that would that would be a big help. Also, multiple
witnesses viewing the same object would would be a big confirmation.
Many witnesses observing the same thing is almost as important
as photographic evidence.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Okay, well, then do you agree with PR zero one
six from Europe in twenty twenty three this video posted
at aar dot mL date of January first, twenty twenty
three that they say, with ninety five percent likelihood is birds.

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Does that match what you've seen in some of your
team's analysis that looks like birds.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
We have seen a lot of birds, I believe. I'm not.

Speaker 8 (15:43):
One hundred percent sure about the exact video you're talking about,
but we have seen a lot of birds. And there's
always an argument. Okay, I see right.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Here, zero one six.

Speaker 8 (15:58):
Yeah, So it's the line of of with.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
A bunch of dots with a black square right now.

Speaker 8 (16:05):
The thing that's unfortunate about every single one of the
videos that Errow recently released is there's black squares that
is hiding any important data that we might use in
place of metadata. And this could be because it's hiding
the sensor type that was used to take acquire the videos.

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We really don't know, but there's nothing to go by
except these dots. And this could be birds. It could
also be something on the water. We don't really know
if this is even in the air. This could be
on the water.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Zoomed in like I feel like it needs to be
zoomed out a bit so we can see what's around it.
I mean, this could be anything. This could be a
projection on a movie screen, that's correct, I mean, and
it just looks like a line, a couple of lines,
you know, that are that are moving each way on
the screen right.

Speaker 8 (17:06):
Yeah, at the beginning of the video, you can see
that some of the objects are like lower, especially in
the top bunch, and even on the bottom munch they're separated,
and then they do close up like birds. In some ways,
this almost would look like a starlink train, except for

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the beginning of the video where they're misaligned and they
get in line like that. Starlink doesn't do that. Starlink
just floats across the sky in a huge string of
maybe sixty dots going across the sky silently. So when
people are unfamiliar with starlink and they see the starlink

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train go across, they correctly think that it's something very peculiar.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
So that's twenty five seconds of video footage submitted from
the United State's European Command to the All Dominated Anomaly
Resolution Office from an infrared sensor aboard a US military
platform in twenty twenty three that AERO says with high
confidence depicts in all likelihood and with almost certainty over

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ninety five percent that these are birds. That is how
many cases has Moufon come to that conclusion that there
have been birds.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
So many that.

Speaker 8 (18:34):
I don't think I could put an exact number on it.
It happens more times than you would think, and a
lot of times what happens is the witness that submitted
the report, they are absolutely positive in their mind that
is extraterrestrial or interdimensional perspective.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Way or bias can change perspective.

Speaker 8 (19:03):
They almost know before they submitted the report that it
was anomalous, and when you try to tell them that
it was birds, they just get very upset.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
I can imagine so talking with Greg Cisco about the
Arrow videos that have been released from the European Command.
Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. I'm Jeremy Scott's
into the pair of normal. We'll continue.

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Pair of normal News. I'm George Henry. All eyes are
on three I Atlas. The interstellar object, which is largely
said to be a comet, makes its closest approach to
Earth on Friday, in a rare visit from beyond our
solar system. The object was discovered in July by NASA
funded Atlas telescopes in Chile and is only the third

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confirmed interstellar visitor ever observed. Three EYE Atlas will remain
a safe distance from Earth about one hundred and sixty
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Speaker 6 (20:52):
Oh, ple you have a look on the assad. My gosh, oh,
go ahead against the.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I want to point out plastic.

Speaker 9 (21:03):
This video is of an m Q nine drone tracking
an orb for this object off the coast of Yemen.
You'll see that another in Q nine launched a health
fire missile.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
You're at you to shoot him now.

Speaker 8 (21:17):
When I watched the video at full speed, it looked
like the UFO surge, and then it rotated to point
toward the incoming health fire.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
This extraordinary footage clearly shows an ache shiped object dangling
in a slink below the belly of the helicopter we
recovered in a arrows dropped some more videos.

Speaker 10 (21:38):
Three videos in the United States European Command, all hastured
by US military assets.

Speaker 8 (21:44):
We need more information to make a decisive evaluation.

Speaker 9 (21:49):
Arrow does not believe every object is a bird, balloon
or eav do have some very anomalous objects.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Into the pair of a normal Geraldy Scott somewhere between
the paranormal and out.

Speaker 6 (22:03):
And out.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
With Greg Cisco tonight of Moufon's photo analysis team. I'm
Jeremy Scott. Arrow has dropped some new videos the Aultmated
Anomaly Resolution Office. These are videos to somewhat like moufon gets.
Although as we're talking with the photo analysis team member
Greg Cisco, how many of the reports that MOFON gets
are military reports versus civilian?

Speaker 8 (22:33):
None are military that I have seen. They are all civilian.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Are they nearly as anomalous as the ones that we
see released from Arrow, the ones that MOFON analyzes or
do these are these showing some of the same kind
of characteristics?

Speaker 8 (22:56):
Well, they have the complete metadata. You can interview you
the witness. With the military videos, you can't interview the pilot.
You can't look at the metadata. The EG video that
Jake Barber that accompanied Jake Barber's interview on News Nation
in January of twenty twenty five. I'm not sure that

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even if you had the metadata, you could do anything
with that video, to be honest with you, but the
videos that Moufon gets in a lot of ways, they
do look quite anomalous, and you at least have metadata
to be able to look at some of the qualities

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of the video to vet whether at least the bill
was taken. When the person who submitted the report claims
that they took the video, you at least have that.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
So the fancy radar systems that the military may have
don't really mean a lick it comes to analyzing. I mean,
it doesn't give more weight to a siting.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Not for us.

Speaker 8 (24:09):
We always say that we don't have the metadata on
a lot of these military videos, so we can't really
do much with that as far as analysis point of view,
but we can look at it and give our opinion
based on our experience. It's not really when I created
the Health Fire UFO videos that you had a couple

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of clips there from one of my videos. There was
nothing scientifically that I could use to come up with
any of my thoughts on that that was just from
my experience of having studied the UFO topic for ten
years plus as far as what I saw in the video,
it did match a lot of anomaloust things that have

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been reported over the years historically regarding the UFO topic.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
And so would it be top secret to give out
this metadata? Would it expose, as you said, you know,
the radar systems that were being used, Would that be
giving away trade secrets if if that was done, or
could it be done in a way where it would
still be you know, it wouldn't be jeopardizing national security.

Speaker 8 (25:24):
It's possible. For example, the health fire missile involved two
Reaper drones, and the way that they could tell that
it was a health fire missile is because the display
that was shown in that health fire video is the
targeting display of the health fire missile on a Reaper drone.
So if you were to google Reaper drone health fire missile,

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you'll see that type of display show up time and
time again on general Reaper drone targeting videos. So the
one kind of I think detail that wasn't really well
known before this is they used two Reaper drones to
fire a health fire missile at an airborne object. What

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a lot of people didn't realize at the time is
Hellfire missiles are strictly air to ground missiles. So the
first like uh oh would be that they're using a
health Fire missile to shoot down a UFO, where anyone
that knows anything about health Fire missiles would know that's
an air to ground missile. Well, further research into Hellfire

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missiles showed that the missile has been upgraded since it
was initially released and it can target slow moving air targets.
And here they used two Reaper drones to be able
to accomplish this. So that's the capability that they may
or may not have wanted to be released to the public.
But there you go. Everyone now knows that Hellfire UFO

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missile involved two Reaper drones that was able to target
and fire a Healthfire missile at an airborne target. Now
what that airborne target was, who knows a lot of
people thought that the health Fire missile used its GINSU
blade model, So further development of the health Fire missiles

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produced a health Fire missile that had blades that would
deploy and take out personnel target, so it's like an
anti personnel health fire missile. They called it a GAINSU
version and they've used that healthfire missile to take out
some quote unquote terrorists in the Middle East, and that's

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what they think happened.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
I want to look at video twelve. This was the
latest video from ARROW that was released twenty twenty two
US European Command giving a report to ARROW. It's fifty
five seconds of video footage from an infrared sensor aboard
a US military platform. And as I watch this here

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and hopefully folks are following along, I mean, the object
is very, very tiny, but you see it basically travel
one way and then do a complete turnaround and within
less than a second it's headed in the opposite direction.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Right.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
And also eighteen does the same thing where it kind
of does that zoom back. It's moving from the right
to the left and then immediately dots back to the right.
That one from twenty twenty four, it's a much longer video.
This one's like ten minutes and thirty second. Some of

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these are so short though, that it leaves more to
be desired. I'm glad they're giving us larger chunks.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
Here.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Your thoughts about videos twelve or eighteen.

Speaker 8 (28:58):
So the one thing about the zig zag motion is
that is one of the qualities that was identified for
a movement of UFOs going back to September of nineteen
forty seven, in General Twining's memo to General shulgun To
basically request that the Air Force start investigating UFOs and

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that's how projects sign was born.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
So that zigzagging pattern goes back throughout history in UFO sightings.
All right, Greg Cisco, tonight with us from MUFON's photo
analysis team, and we'll be right back then.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
Into the pair.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, it's a zigzag, Jeremy, it's a zigzag pattern. I'm
going it goes from the right to the often then
it goes back to the right, reks like it's a
zigzag pattern. And there have been quite a few examples
of that activity right in famous UFO sightings going back decades.

Speaker 8 (30:11):
Correct, back to nineteen forty seven, and Commander Fraverer even
mentioned that in the famous USS Knimics incident, the object
was seen going back and forth, that was jiggling around.
I think his wingman even confirmed that that was the movement.
You see that throughout history. Many books talk about the

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same thing. So a falling leaf motion is another description
of the motion.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
A familiar behavior, then you would say in videos that
Muffon has analyzed.

Speaker 8 (30:47):
Believe it or not, No, I have not seen one
video that showed a falling leaf motion of the object.
And it could be because where all the videos were
Singer airplanes or helicopters. But that's a common description throughout
UFO lore going back to the forties.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Right, So what other cases? The major ones would probably
be the videos that were released in Congress and so
three months ago during that hearing, it came to be
a result of the Federal Secrets Task Force, this hellfire missile.

(31:33):
I believe it was Representative Eric Burlison that gave the
commentary as this was shown before Congress. I mean, do
we know that this is a hellfire missile actually hitting
a UFO, because that's what it was purported to be.
And you do see an impact, it doesn't seem to
really affect the UFO. It just changes its direction, it

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keeps on going. You know, we don't see what happens
after the fact, which is one of my complaints. I
want want to know if it if it caused the
UFO to crash or to get into a collision. We
don't know that, do we so.

Speaker 8 (32:09):
Representative Burlson was on a recent podcast with Jeremy Corbel
and George Knapp, and he said that the video was
dead dropped to his office just before the meeting, so
he didn't know where it came from. He checked into
the video after the hearing, and what he found out,

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he said, he can't talk about what he learned, so
take that for what it is. And what I thought
was most anomalous about that hell Fire video is it
appeared that the UFO or whatever the object was rotated
toward the incoming missile. And that is the same description

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that Commander Fraber gave when he tried to intercept the
tic TAC in the USS Nimics incident in two thousand
and four, and then when the UFO was hit with
the Hellfire missile, three cube like objects appeared to emerge.
And I have done enough research into the UFO phenomenon

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to where there was one reference to ejection pods coming
out of a UFO associated with the Roswell crash in
Stanton Friedman's crash at Corona. So there were a lot
of things that I picked up on from that video
that I'm sure none of them are anomalous.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
It was a balloon.

Speaker 8 (33:39):
The balloon was hit with one of those GINSU hellfire missiles,
and it wasn't anomalous at all because the alternative is
that the UFO was somehow aware that the missile was
coming toward it rotated and then when the missile hit
the UFO, several objects came out and basically followed the

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UFO as it sort of looked to recover on subsequent footage,
and the three objects followed the UFO, and you don't
see the UFO or the objects hit the water later
on in the video, which is zoomed out.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
And I think we really don't know what happened with
that video.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
But obviously they felt it was a threat. What was
it a spy balloon or something like that?

Speaker 8 (34:30):
The sense I get from Representative Barlson is it was
some kind of anomalous UFO.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
I don't think it was a spy balloon.

Speaker 8 (34:43):
You know, maybe it was a spy balloon, because when
I think about it, if it was a UFO, they
UFOs are said to disable any aircraft that tries to
shoot it down. So the fact that this thing was
able to be shot down, maybe that kind of should
tell everybody that it wasn't the real.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
So maybe he should have waited to release it or
not released it at all.

Speaker 8 (35:08):
Yeah, you could say that with a lot of photos
and videos that have been released recently.

Speaker 11 (35:14):
Committee Hey, that that was unfortunate because what went on
in that meeting is uh, doctor Eric Davis was in
the middle of talking about the types of extraterrestrial beings
that have been recovered in UFO crashes.

Speaker 8 (35:32):
So rather than talk about that, he was also talking
about warp drive capabilities. And so instead of focusing on
that information, everybody's talking about lou Alexondo in that photo and.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Maybe that was a purpose.

Speaker 8 (35:48):
Yeah, yeah, it could have been planned, which is weird
because early on in that video, louel Zondo tried tries
to persuade Eric Davis to talk about the beings that
are recovered at at the crashes.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
So, because doctor Eric Davis knows more than people thinking,
if the.

Speaker 12 (36:13):
President of the United States issued an executive order that
absolves me of all of my TSSCI NDAs and I
get subpoenaed by Congress to reveal everything I know, I
would do so.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
And yet here he had an opportunity and it was overshadowed.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yes, he was.

Speaker 8 (36:36):
An Aged disclosure though, and I don't know if you
have time for that. But the big takeaway is Loue
Alexando said that the Majestic twelve tried to take him
and David Grush out. That's the committee at twenty seven.
And the reason I know that is because I saw
Loue Alexando at the City Winery in Chicago in February

(36:57):
and after his presentation on UFOs, he took whats and
answers and one of the first questions was his Majestic
twelve for real, And after some himming and hawing, he said, yes,
but the number is closer to twenty seven, which is
the same number as the committee that he mentioned in
Age of Disclosure, which they wanted to do away with

(37:21):
luel Zando and David Grush according to the Age of Disclosure.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
So well, yeah, they needed to aim a little better.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Well yeah, I don't think they even did, so.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Greg, we appreciate your analysis here. Was there something with
the power surge that you mentioned in the.

Speaker 8 (37:44):
Sur At the beginning of the hell Fire missile, you
can see that the object brightens up just before it
starts rotating. So the alarming thing that you don't want
it to be his extraterrestrial craft or vehicle or entity
or whatever that is self aware of an incoming missile,

(38:06):
and there's a power surge, and then it starts rotating
to point its nose toward the incoming missile. And that's
literally what you see. Whether it was really a power surge,
whether it was an increase in temperature, which would still
be odd that it has an increase in temperature or
a decrease in temperature before the missile hits. So it

(38:27):
looks to me like the UFO and the hell Fire
video was aware of the incoming object, rotated toward the
incoming object, then it got hit. So yes, there was
what I was calling a power searge. Whether it was
a power surge, I have absolutely no idea. I'm sure
it was.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
The good of theory is any other When we say
unresolved case, as I mentioned earlier, we're really talking about
unidentified because yeah, it hasn't been identified, but there may
be very good reasons to say them. Up our conversation tonight,
why we cannot identify it because we don't have enough
information to base our decision on.

Speaker 8 (39:09):
Correct Now, what really quick what the photo analysis team
likes to do is that's something scientifically enough to where
we can rule out everything prosaic and that's our unidentified
versus not enough information. So there's two ways of looking
at unidentified. The one that has been scientifically vetted and

(39:29):
determined unidentified is more valid to us than something that
we don't have enough information.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
All right, So how can someone submit something to move on?
A picture or a video for you to analyze.

Speaker 8 (39:44):
Go to the website www dot mofon dot com and
there is a section near the top that says report UFO.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
We're report to citing.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
It's that easy thing, sick.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Greg.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
We appreciate you coming on the program, going to talk
with you.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Thank you for having me. I appreciate it, Greg.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Grit Cisco for MUFON's Photo analysis team. Yeah, you don't
always reach a conclusion when even when you have some
of the best and the brightest looking at this evidence.
More to come.

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From the coldar depths of a secret dungeon somewhere deep
in the remote Pacific Northwest. I am Jeremy Scott when
we alluded to the last hour that whistleblowers felt threatened
for their lives worth threatened. Certainly don't want to make
a light of that situation, but it certainly wouldn't be

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the first time that the elite have tried to act
because say, someone may have too much information. In fact,
David Grunt has alluded to the fact that President Trump
has been fully briefed on alien hybrids living among humans.

(42:10):
And also there is talk that Trump is going to
disclose in days. There's this apparently inside information going around.
I mean, take all of this, of course, with a
grain of salt, and if it doesn't happen, just like
if three I Atlas comes through to on Friday and

(42:34):
nothing happens, I guess we can think our lucky stars
at that point. It remains to be seen. But as
we fight this disclosure game, it doesn't appear that there's
going to be a hearing before the end of the year.
Now as we are headed into the holidays next week
and the following, so I wouldn't expect that we would

(42:56):
have any hearing for at least another month, because once
they get back after the holidays, maybe they'll put one
together and so January February March. I don't have any
inside information, but hey, if there's others out there saying
they have inside information, I might as well just put
my prediction out there that I think we'll probably have

(43:17):
a hearing within the next three or four months. And
I'm just starting to get that sense now as there's
rumblings with the Age of Disclosure being released and now
this trailer for Steven Spielberg's Disclosure Day. But there's another
movie that has actually gotten quite a bit of attention,
and our next guest has become quite the celebrity among

(43:39):
the UFO crowd on the internet as a result of this.
Trevor Doyle Nelson, better known as Alien Guy. Trevor, is
a researcher of UFOs and ET's digital content creator, a filmmaker, documentarian,
actor as well, whose work bridges a novelist investigation with
a lifelong career in storytelling. Research centers on modern disclosure,

(44:01):
cultural pattern surrounding unexplained phenomena, and the personal experiences that
shape out people interpret the unknown. And perhaps you heard
about him on the press cycle for the new film
Pagonia when an Emmy nominated actor name dropped Trevor and
as they say, the rest is history. So here he
is Trevor Doyle Nelson, otherwise known as alien Guy, and

(44:23):
Trevor into the pair of normal.

Speaker 14 (44:25):
How are you doing good? Thanks for having me on, Jeremy,
absolutely so. How did you get involved in researching UFOs?
Did you have a childhood sighting or was it a
movie or a book or something in your childhood that
hooked you on this tell us?

Speaker 5 (44:41):
Yeah, so it was a couple of different things. I
did have a sighting when I was when I was nineteen,
and it was there was no doubt in my mind
what I saw was not not human, not terrestrial at best.
It could have been reverse engineered craft, but it was
certainly no known technology and that was a life changing

(45:04):
experience for me. It opened my eyes to kind of
a whole world behind the veil, so to speak, and
that's really when a lifelong obsession started and I started
getting into looking into different theories, and I found out
about like Alex Callier the Andromeda in Contact EEE shortly

(45:24):
after that and found his story fascinating and not really
into watching ancient aliens, and it it became a rabbit
hole that you know, it's evolved into my greatest passion
in life and biggest obsession. And I just I literally
fall asleep every night to ancient Aliens. That's my that's
like my lullaby.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
So it's working in your subconscious and planting these seeds.
It is absolutely and And so you became friends with
one of the main characters in Bagonia, right.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Jesse Flemons is one of my best friends. I've known
em since we were well, I met him when we
were kids, but we became close friends when we were teenagers.
On Friday Night Lights, Jesse was one of the stars
of the show, and I was working on in the
camera department on the film crew, and we were at
craft service one day and it kind of clicked. We

(46:20):
were like, oh, wait a minute, We've met before on
Varsity Blues when we were younger, when I was like twelve,
and he was like ten, and we've been fast friends
ever since then. We were roommates in LA from twenty
ten to twenty fifteen. In those years, I was focused
pretty much solely on acting, and yeah, we became great,
great friends. And he when he got the script to Pogonia,

(46:43):
he called me right after and said, Trevor, I want
you to tell me everything you know about aliens, said Jesse,
I have been waiting for you to ask me that
question for like twenty years.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
So you had that conversation, and how did it go.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
It went great, It went great. You know, he was
new to the whole world, so he didn't know the
more popular theories. So it was fun for me because
I was able to kind of fill them in on like, look,
there's theories that these could be interstellar visitors traveling through
a wormhole. There's theories that these are interdimensional visitors. There's

(47:18):
theories that they're time travelers. They're future humans traveling back
on their own timeline to the beginning, whether it's to
see you know, something biologically, or information or whatever. And
it was fun for me because usually when I have
these conversations, people are already privy to some of those theories.
So it was fun getting to just totally, you know,

(47:40):
expose someone to the whole thing, top to bottom. And
he probably thought I might be a little mentally unwell after,
because you know, I like all the theories. There's very
few that I'll rule out. And that's what I love
about ET and UAP research, right, is I don't have
to get to a definitive ants. Sure, I couldn't at

(48:01):
this stage even if I wanted to, But the investigation
is more fun than the getting to the end of
the line.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
So it's kind of one of those things that you
would only talk about with close friends, say when they asked,
which is exactly what exactly? Yeah, yeah, exactly, because it
there's the taboo surrounding it, and you know the secrecy
element at play here.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Yeah, there's the taboo element, the secrecy element. I mean,
I was always very public about my obsession and fascination
with the topic, not just with friends, but I would
usually refrain from unloading on people unless they asked me to,
because I'm sure you're probably similar. I can be quite
overwhelming if someone's not ready for it.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Yeah, just tell me when you want me to stop,
because I mean the well, once it opens, it's tough
to get it to to stop flowing. So then tell
about the movie itself. What is it generally about?

Speaker 5 (49:05):
Yes, so you know, Bogonia is about you know, he
Jesse plays the character of Teddy, you know, and he's
he's a person who basically is able to able to
derive that there is this Andromedin queen you know, played
by Emma Stone living amongst us, and that they have
an agenda, and he's kind of the only one who's

(49:29):
able to or one of very few who's able to
kind of break through and and save the world. And
I know that That's one of the things I loved
about the film is he just does such a great
job of I mean, you feel that in his performance,
you feel that he felt like he was the word,
the way that the world was on his shoulders. He
did such a good job of conveying that.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
So does Jesse kind of take on a bit of
this obsession that you passed on to him?

Speaker 3 (49:55):
You know?

Speaker 5 (49:56):
Honestly, I don't know. I don't know. I don't I
don't think he he has an obsession, but I did
you know.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Is that his character though in the film, somebody plays
an obsessed.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Yeah, it's his character. His character Teddy is absolutely obsessed
and you know he I will say this, I don't
think Jesse was much of a believer before all of this.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Interesting we got to pause here. Trevor Doyle Nelson Tonight,
otherwise not as Alien Guy Trevor from the Pogonia Press Circuit,
We'll be.

Speaker 6 (50:26):
Back into the parent of.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
A real life obsession with UFOs and aliens. Our guest tonight,
Alien Guy Trevor best friends with actor Jesse Plummins, who
plays Teddy and Bogonia. So he passes on some of
this fast a nation with the subject during this phone
call after getting the part in Bogonia. Mean you think

(51:06):
he channels a little bit of you in the role.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
It's you know, it's possible. I'm I'm not certain.

Speaker 13 (51:14):
I do.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
I do know that I was, you know when I
saw the interviews on the press circuit where they asked him,
you know, how did you get into the world of
conspiracy theory and aliens and all of that. You know,
he he spoke about me being a source in his
character prep and in almost every interview he did where
they asked him that question. And I was, honestly surprised.

(51:35):
I didn't realize the scope of the impact that it
had had on his performance, but it seemed pretty significant
because he he, he brought it up in so many interviews,
and I was honored, of course, you know that he did.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
It was great.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
You know, he's a It's just an amazing subject. And
I think we're at a turning point really honestly with
where the public is at right now with perception of it.
It's so interesting with Pagonia and then now Disclosure Days
coming out and Age of Disclosure was just released. It's

(52:10):
it's a fascinating time for the whole subject.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
So how far did your conversation go? I mean, did
you get into your sighting and then your theories on
you know, extraterrestrial life and abductions and the whole experimentation
process or what.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
Yeah, so we got into every theory that I know of.
I shared with him, you know, even the ones I'm
fond of, even the ones I'm kind of, you know,
not so sure about. I shared all the information I
had on history, on different theories, on who they are,
what they could want, what their interest is here. I

(52:49):
did tell him about my sighting when I was nineteen.
And I also, you know, I also had a scenario
when I was about twelve that you know, I would
stop short of saying it was an experience because I
don't I don't know. It could have been a dream,
but it was very very surreal, and it you know,
it it was either a dream or it was a

(53:11):
real experience where I was, you know, effectively contacted in
my sleep at twelve years old, and me and a
cousin of mine were told some things about our future
and about our lives. And he did have that that
same dream as well, so you know, it could have
been some sort of shared shared dream. I shared that

(53:31):
with Jesse as well, you know, so it I forgot
to mention that when we spoke earlier, I stopped short
on that one of saying it was as real as
the sighting, because I don't know. It could it could
have been a dream, a shared dream, who knows, but
it's a it's a strange reality we live in. And
it was certainly an interesting experience.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
I mean, the part about aliens warning about the future,
that is certainly a common one in many famous contents experiences, right.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Oh, yeah, absolutely, and in this one it wasn't in
this case, it wasn't a warning as much as it
was just they shared information about the direction my life
would take and his life would take, and how the
work we do in the arc that we create would
would impact the cause. And I don't remember the specifics

(54:24):
beyond that, beyond those just kind of general themes. What
I do remember, though, is that they said that he
would his you know, he would be working in music,
and I would work some in film and some in
other areas, which is interesting because my life was focused
on the film industry up till I was about thirty,
and then it shifted gears. I've gotten into other things.

(54:46):
And you know, I talked with my cousin Micah recently
about it, and if it wasn't a dream, if it
was real, it sure turned out to be pretty accurate
in terms of where our lives went.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
Okay. As an experiencer, have you ever, like sought out
any of those contact YE groups. Have you ever talked
with others who may have experienced similar experiences as you.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
I've not gone to any of the like experience or groups.
I've watched a ton of stuff online, and I've done
a lot of my own research, but I haven't gone
to any groups where you know, I'm with other experiencers
and sharing it.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
You ever thought about it, I've going through a regression
or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
Absolutely, Yeah, that's definitely on my radar. I plan to
do that.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
Because you may learn that these were indeed not human,
as you got the inkling that they might have been.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
Yeah, I mean I definitely got the inkling it might
not have been it. You know. I remember when a
specific visit to his house when I was like twelve
or thirteen, and as soon as his mom and him
open the door, I said, I had a dream that
you and me were on an alien spaceship and you
know they we were both there at the same time.
And he freaked out, you know, because he had the

(56:08):
same he had the same the same dream. I remember
being disappointed that they were human. You know they in
the dream they said, uh or in the experience whatever
it was, they said, you, you know, we're aliens, were
not from here. And I was like that you look
human and they were like, well, we're humans from somewhere else.
And I was like, you know, two over thirteen at
the time, and so that's lame, and I want you

(56:28):
to look like aliens.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
So they didn't look like the typical grays they were
they were not human like.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Yeah, in this experience, they were human like.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Interesting, you couldn't You couldn't tell the difference between them.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
No, Nope.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
What I do remember though, is and again I'll stop
short of saying it was an experience, because I don't know,
you know, it was certainly an experience I went through.
Whether it was with really tease or not, I don't know,
but you know, it fits so many of the of
the descriptions we hear. You know, they weren't they weren't
talking with their mouth, and I heard everything they said
as if it was spoken in any.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
You felt that there was some teleopathy going on here.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
Yeah, I mean I spoke with using my words, but
they were able to not. That was the only thing
that seemed ailien about them, was that.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
So what kinds of research have you done into this
subject and what's your particular angle from an experiencer's perspective?

Speaker 5 (57:29):
Yeah, I mean, so, you know, for me, I'm launching
a new podcast that I'm going to be starting in
the next week or two. It's called Strange Intercept, and
I'm hoping to get some great experiencers and experts on
I'm trying to get to like Richard Dolan and Nick Pope.
I'd love to interview them. To be honest, I've been
such an enthusiast on the topic for so long. I'm

(57:53):
a fanboy for uthologists. It's funny. I come from a
film and entertainment family, so I don't really get starstruck
with with movie stars or musicians, but I do if
I meet Linda Milton Howe or Richard Dolan or any
of these people at Alien Con and so I'd love
to sit down with some of them and ask them
their thoughts on the different theories and the different turning

(58:15):
points we're kind of at in society that's on the
on the very near horizon. I also like talking to
people who have direct experience. I have someone I'm going
to be sitting down with in the near future who
is a pleat in contact ee and who is a really,
really compelling story. I know him personally. He's a very
credible individual. I'm always fascinated when people come out and

(58:39):
share information when they don't have anything to gain and
have everything to lose, you know. Those That's one of
the things that's real impactful about Agent Disclosure is certainly
no one in that film had anything to gain from
doing it.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
I mean, I think in Hollywood, you're you're typically safe
if you come out and start talking about aliens and extraterrestrials.
I mean, because of all of the movies that have
been made in Hollywood, maybe you're not taken as crazy
as you it would have been back in the day.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
Oh yeah, absolutely, It's certainly better out here out here
in Hollywood than it would be growing up in Texas.
You know, like that, both of those experiences that I've
shared with you, I didn't I didn't talk about those
at all while I was living in Texas really at all.
That all just was whenever I got out here. And
it seems like we're, you know, not just in Hollywood,
but the collective conscience seems to be becoming more accepting

(59:32):
to the topic. Just overall. The I'm blown away with Honestly,
I never expected we'd get this far in my lifetime,
and now I'm really encouraged about where where this is
going to go with disclosure.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Here we are talking with alien guy Trevor tonight. He's
Trevor Doyle Nilsen, website Alien Guy Trevor dot com. He's
been on the name dropped on the Bagonia press circuit
for the film that came out a few months ago.
Now it was more to come somewhere between the paranormal
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Greetings.

Speaker 15 (01:01:29):
Welcome to the headquarters of Human Resistance.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
Where's my hair?

Speaker 15 (01:01:35):
Your hair has been destroying to prevent you from contacting
your ship?

Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
What ship?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Your mother should?

Speaker 15 (01:01:45):
Okay, one of my best friends is a big alien theorist.
This movie is traverse, dream and true.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
I've got a ton of research on this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
You're showing our planet alien fells.

Speaker 13 (01:02:12):
I'm not an alien.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
You're lying to me.

Speaker 15 (01:02:16):
What's the difference?

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
You know this is crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
You know this is wrong.

Speaker 15 (01:02:24):
I know who you are.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
I know what you are.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
I know you too, Teddy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Whether it's unexplained or just playing strange, this is your
kind of show into the pair abnormal.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
I'm Jerby Scott, somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.
Begonia's been out in theaters, no longer playing, of course,
but you can probably find it on streaming. We've seen
Age of Disclosure, which is available for streaming now, and
of course Disclosure Day coming in June of twenty twenty six.

(01:03:12):
Is all of this happening for a reason? Could movies
in general? Could Hollywood be playing a role here? That's
certainly the work that the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance is doing.
It's actually how I heard about Alien Guy, Trevor. These
movies could they be a plan by the elite to

(01:03:34):
usher in disclosure. That really is the question. What are
your thoughts, Trevor.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
Oh, I personally think it's definitely a push from the elite,
like you're mentioning, Jeremy, I don't think that things this
high level would be happening if it wasn't sanctioned by
some pretty powerful people. And you know, I mean there's
been so much pushback over all the years, and now

(01:04:03):
you know, it's like age of disclosure comes out, but
there's no government statement denying it, you know, I mean it.
And one of the things I thought about is like,
what if the government did do disclosure? What would that
look like? Would it be the president stepping to the podium?

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
One of the thoughts I had is it it could
look a lot like what's happening now, where it's it's
whistleblowers from the inside, so it's it's still coming from them,
but it's it's kind of semi non direct, you know.
And I'm interested too, because you know, like with these whistleblowers,
I'm always curious. Some of them I find to be

(01:04:40):
so credible and I really want to believe everything they say.
And then in other instances, I'm like, man, is that
is that a government selected whistleblower so that they can
control the narrative. It's really interesting times. But I do
think that personally we're getting close to disclosure. I mean,
we know that, you know, the major countries with space
programs all have reverse engineering programs, so like America, Russia,

(01:05:04):
China being the big ones that there's this kind of
hidden arms race or reverse engineering et tech. It's going
to come out one day. I don't personally think we
want China or Russia to be the people that announce
to the world that we're not alone. So I mean,
I think the onus is on us at some point
to initiate some form of disclosure. I don't know how

(01:05:28):
huge it's going to be. I think it would probably
just be the absolute basics that there are visitors. We
don't know exactly the origins of the intentions, but they
are here and it's not untrue. I think we'll see
that in the near future. Personally, I have a pretty
strong hunch I think Donald Trump may may step to
the podium and announce it, but who knows. It's always

(01:05:52):
hard to say at that level, but it sure seems
like all the groundwork is being laid to present the
truth to some degree.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
So you think that Hollywood has maybe been influenced financially
to make some of these because in the case of
you know, Steven Spielberg, he's kind of been there, done
that he could just wither off into retirement. But here
he is, seventy eight years old making a major motion picture.

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Did somebody get in his ear? Did they otherwise encourage him,
or those maybe that could have been employed by him,
who maybe could still use the money to take on
a film of this magnitude.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
You know, that's a that's a great question, and I
wonder myself. I will say, you know, I don't I
don't know that he needs the money, So I don't
know if it's that he was encouraged financially. But to
make a film of that magnitude, it takes a lot
of money, which means something behind the scenes is happening.
But personally with Spielberg, I think he has always been

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a believer, you know. I mean he was friends with
Jail and Heineck. Jael and Heineck and Jacques la both
appeared in close encounters, and it's you know, there's a
lot of uh. First, I UH confirmation for people who
were involved at the time that say that the Close
Encounters whole, that whole scenario was a recreation of a

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real event that happened at Holloman Air Force Base, and
that at one point Robert Emmenegger and other, you know,
people working actively in the film industry were tapped to
make a documentary about the Halloman incident, and that that
got scrapped from what I understand, but it seems like
a lot of it was included in in the Close

(01:07:51):
Encounters concept. So I guess what I'm getting at is
I think I think Spielberg is personally vested in the
truth coming out, I think, and he has been a believer,
you know. I mean, I know that when Jalen Heinich
did Close Encounters, he was clear at that point that
he was a believer. And I just saw an interview

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this morning with Stielberg where he said, there's something going on.
You know, there's these these UFOs, the UAPs. We don't
know exactly what it is, but it is probably the
most worthy subject of investigation in all of human history.
I think that's probably his interest. And I think that
because he's got so much power.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:35):
I don't I know that he could if he wanted
a movie to happen at times with other projects on
disclosure to help push the needle, he could make it happen.
But I would guess, like you suggested, Jeremy, there's probably
other people behind the scenes, because I don't know what
you know. I know that the intelligence community and the

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government have contacts with these filmmakers, and they have to
because they have to get their cooperation when they make
war movies, and they have to have some sort of connection.
And I know there's a lot of theories about some
of the top people in Hollywood being operatives or at

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least in cooperation with factions of the intelligence community and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
So well, the one thing that Hollywood has on its
side is they don't have to get permission. I mean,
it would be nice to, but they don't have to
because they can make a film and even if it
is factual, well it's just sci fi, it's just entertainment.
Or is a disclosure day More with Alien Gude Trevor

(01:09:43):
tonight on the program I'm Jeremy's gohnn Somewhere between the
paranormal and the abnormal will drive.

Speaker 6 (01:09:47):
Back into the pair of normal, pair.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
Of Jeremy Scott, somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
The trailer for Disclosure Day is out, Steven Spielberg's new
film coming June twelfth of twenty twenty six. There was
also Agent Disclosure and Begonia, which was released in theaters
as well, made thirty nine million dollars at the box
office and featured, of course, actor Jesse Plummins, who is

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a childhood friend of our guest Tonight Haley, and guy
Trevor otherwise known as Trevor Doyle Nelson, who is a
UFO researcher, also a little bit of an obsession with
the UFOs and aliens. I have an obsession. It certainly
is not a slide hunt anyone to have an obsession
with this. You mentioned that you spent many nights in
fact falling asleep to ancient aliens. So are you a

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subscriber then of the theory that I mean these ancient
aliens or astronauts as they were known back in the
day as well have colonized other planets. Are we going
that far?

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
Absolutely, personally, I mean I can't speak to like what
they've maybe done in other star systems, But it sure
seems to me like the only thing that makes sense
when we look at our own like archaeological history, is
the ancient astronaut theory, you know, and there's different versions

(01:11:53):
of it, but like I think overall, one common theme
it sure seems to be consistent is pretty much every
religion on Earth and every indigenous belief system comes from
visitors came from the stars on a flaming dragon or
some sort of craft. They gave us technology, they taught

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us about how to be better people, how to behave
and they left with the promise of returning. And it's
just so consistent. And you look at you know, there's
there's cave paintings in different parts of the world with
the same type of depictions at a time where it
would have been impossible for people on the different sides
of the planet to see the same thing. They didn't
have aircraft. It would have meant the visitor had gone

(01:12:37):
to the two places, not that the person seeing it
had been in two places. And I you know, it
seems to me like I don't know if you're fan
of Graham Hancock, but it sure seems like it's the
only way to connect the dots with our history, because
you know, it doesn't add up, you know, I mean,
how could we have built the stone facades at Cuscu

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and in Peru. We still can't even get that same
exact masonry style today, you know where it's where the
rocks are almost thermally molded together. And if you look
at like go Blecki Teppe, I mean, theoretically this masonry
work in Peru and go Blecki Teppe would have happened

(01:13:26):
like thousands of years before the existence of language or
the wheel. And I'm not I mean, I'm not a
scientist or a historian, but that doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
So it's possible then that all these ancient aliens would
have existed on other planets, and that there would have
been other races of them like the Palladians.

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's that seems to be the what makes
the most sense. I agree, And it seems like, you know,
from my perspective, they have been involved with the evolution
of mankind for thousands of years. And you know, I
don't know about saying we're a science project, but it

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does seem like we were either created by or altered
by aliens and have them for thousands of years. That's
that's what it seems like to me. And and like
you said that that would obviously speak to them being
an advanced civilization that came from somewhere else. What I
find exciting is it's just like how endless the possibilities are.

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I mean, there's billions of galaxies, there's I mean, it's
just the infinitity of it all is just remarkable. And
I know, when I think of all the different theories
like that I mentioned earlier, you know, like interstellar visitors
coming through Einstein Rosenbridge, or interdimensional travelers, time travelers, I

(01:14:52):
lean towards the theory it's probably all of that and
a bunch of other things we haven't even thought of yet.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Right, you mentioned time travelers. But if they're there are
if there were these ancient civilizations, perhaps some of them
are still living and they have relocated, which means they
could be living among us, and others may have died off,
you know, cataclysmic conditions, war, I mean seemingly maybe old
age takes takes them as it does us.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Yeah, And I love the you know, like you mentioned earlier,
you know, hybrids living amongst us. I mean that that's
a fascinating prospect, and it sure seems to be the case.
One of the things I love on ancient Aliens that
they talk about is well, I mean, if you take
some of our religious texts literal, I mean, they talk

(01:15:42):
about basically hybridization. You know, the Old Testament talks about
fallen angels coming down and mating with humans, and you know,
you've got the story of beyond Anaky and it it's interesting.
It seems like like you're saying a more advanced race,
or many more advanced traces have been coming here for.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
A long time.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
What are you What are your thoughts jerem me on
on on the potential current push by the elite. Does
it seem like to you that's what happening.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
Wow, you're gonna put me on the spot here. Uh.
If I had to say, I would say no, it's
just more of the same, because I know too much.
But if if I was somebody who didn't know enough,
then I might say, well, yeah, all of this is happening,
and it's happening now, and it's happening for a reason,

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and there's something to it. But as I say, I
will reserve judgment for another time. That's just my that's
just my opinion. I do think that it probably won't
won't come in my lifetime.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
Sad to say, Oh, well, I hope, I sure hope
it does, but it you know, that's wishful thinking.

Speaker 16 (01:16:56):
What's your website, Trevor Alien Guy, Trevor dot And I'll
be starting a new podcast that's gonna go live in
the next week and that's going to be strange Intercept
dot Com.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
All right, fantastic, It was a pleasure talking with you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
All right, thanks Jeremy, appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
And speaking of disclosure day, if.

Speaker 10 (01:17:18):
You found how we weren't alone, if someone showed you,
proved it to you, would that frighten you?

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Good morning, Kansas City.

Speaker 17 (01:17:34):
Let's take a look at today. Let's let's today is Today's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
People have a right to know the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
It belongs to seven billion people.

Speaker 6 (01:18:12):
What is it?

Speaker 15 (01:18:13):
You won't believe me if I'd told you so, I'm
gonna show you.

Speaker 7 (01:18:21):
What are you gonna do?

Speaker 8 (01:18:23):
Full disclosure to the whole world all at once.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
People keep wondering, encountering the unknown.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
The guy, the guy. They are starved for the truth.

Speaker 7 (01:18:54):
Do you think there could be others.

Speaker 5 (01:18:59):
Why would she makes such a vast universe.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Yet save it only for us?

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
Will there be disclosure? Or is it just the catchy
name of a film, And it's okay to be just
a catchy name of a film, don't get me wrong.
From the cold, dark depths of a secret dungeon somewhere
deep in the remote Pacific Northwest, I'm Jeremy Scott. Talk
to you tomorrow night on ground zero and back here
on Friday night, good night, and got loose