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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I have to report to you that we have lost
one of the best. Doctor Jeff Mildram, Professor of anatomy
and Anthropology at Idaho State University, one of the foremost
experts in bigfoot research and cryptozoology, has a passed away.
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His family has posted that brain cancer took him after
a brief illness. I hope it was brief and that
he did not suffer. That man gave us so much
over many decades. It always a fascinated me to hear
him speak. I perceived that he was on the leading
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edge of research, and he certainly enjoyed sharing his knowledge,
which with others very approachable, I will say, unlike some
others in the field, always approachable and would talk with you,
would spend time with you, would give you the perception
that he even cared about the interactions that he had
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with you, and he knew that there was something there
when it came to bigfoot, something enough to dedicate his
entire career to studying it, even if it was not
popular among colleagues. What he investigated, these kinds of mysteries
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fascinate me. There is still a lot to be discovered,
and I can't even venture a thought of how much
would still be discovered if doctor Meldrum was still with us.
Condolences to his family, to his friends, to his associates,
anybody affected.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Hang on for the ride.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
You're headed into the pair of normal. To be honest,
I can't say with one certainly, because I haven't had
that end all encounter, Nor have I nor do I
possess the conclusive piece of evidence, the bone or the
DNA sequence, you know. But the reaction of my colleagues
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has spanned the gambit from sincere and enthusiastic interest and
curiosity and support to what I can only refer to
as abject, irrational, visceral rejection. Whether that stems from jealousy
or from some you know, hyghalutant opinion of their own perspective.
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It's hard to put your finger on it, but surprising
and distressing coming from an academician who should be objective
and cool and calm in their reaction their consideration of evidence.
And that's all I'm I'm not proselytizing, I'm not seeking
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converts or adherence to a cause. I'm simply saying, here, man,
this is some fascinating evidence. You really should look at
it and judge it on its own merits, rather than
on some preconception or some allegiance to a paradigm that
isn't standing up in the face of modern data and insights.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That is, doctor Jeff Meldrum, Professor of anatomy and anthropology
at Idaho State University, one of the foremost experts in
bigfoot research and cryptis zoology, whose I mentioned at the
beginning of the program, has sadly departed us. As family
sharing the news this week after a battle with brain
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care answer a brief illness led to his passing. We
said our condolences to doctor Meldrum's family, any of those
who knew and loved him, those that he worked with.
I certainly enjoyed talking with doctor Meldrim, as I mentioned,
went out to Baker City, Oregon in June of twenty nineteen,
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invited there by Scott Violet of Squatch America for the
first annual Blue Mountain Bigfoot Festival, so I got some
behind the scenes access with doctor Meldrum, got to ride
a vehicle with him, have a meal with him, and
really talk with him, and hear him more than anything
speak passionately about Bigfoot. And then he joined us as
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we did the live radio show. Doctor Meldrim was very
generous to us share his time with us then, and
we want to look back at some of that conversation.
You told the story about how you got into this,
and you casted your first prince in nineteen ninety six,
and you still have over three hundred in your collection
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present day.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
That's correct from not only North America, but there's examples
from Asia, China, and even a couple of interesting specimens
from Australia that I'm still scratching my head over.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So would you say that bigfoot sightings are more common
than are reported?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Oh, definitely. I think most people are either uncomfortable or
just not motivated for any type of notoriety that might
come from submitting a report to public scrutiny like that.
I mean, I'm frequently stopped in department stores or get
I can rarely get through grocery shopping without being stopped,
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especially after an appearance on television, so that it's fresh
on people's minds. But getting stopped and having an encounter
account or some story from the family history shared with me,
So yeah, I think there's a lot. I mean there's
also a tendency for some witnesses, I think it's important
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to recognize to perhaps overinterpret their experiences rather subjective experiences.
So sometimes there might be an over representation of what
we might call reliable data buy bump in the night
experiences as as we like to refer to them. So
that's just a cautionary note I think that's worth making.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, so a summer, lots of folks out bigfooting, squatching,
or what the normal person would call camping. Right, what
should we bring with us if we want to document
a big foot encounter?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, I think an open mind, but with a big
dose of objectivity. You keep yourself grounded. It's important that
you always attempt to explain your experiences with the simplest,
most common explanation first, and once you feel that you
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have a rationale for discounting that, then you can move
on to something more uncommon, like and encounter with the sasquaals.
Because these are very rare, rare events, and very few
people go out there and intentionally and routinely interact with sasquatch.
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Very few, if any, by far, the majority of credible
reports are pure happenstance. They're just serendipity of circumstance. But
there's also other things. I mean, I think people who
are interested in becoming citizen scientists to really make good,
reliable contributions, then they need to educate themselves. They need
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to become good amateur naturalists. That involves gain familiarity with
the habitat, with the geology, with the trees that the
forest type, the understory, with animal sign so that you
can recognize the footprints of other animals, understand their movements,
where the resources that they're utilizing, what's their behavior? I mean,
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because if you're going out and you're not seeing, for example,
on occasion tracks are scat of a bear, what are
the odds that you're going to bump into a sasquatch? Yeah,
you know there are one hundred times two hundred times
more common than a sasquatch, presumably. I mean, I think
that's a fair estimate, and it's just that an estimate.
But when you bear that in mind, I think it
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not to discourage anyone from doing, but you need to
enjoy the ride too, and not just to be solely
focused on the destination.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, somebody asked you earlier, well, why haven't we found bones?
And I know Scott was talking earlier. It took him
twenty five years before he saw his first bigfoot. Sure,
and he goes out one hundred and fifty days a year. Yes,
so if I'm going out for one summer weekend, there's
no way that I could expect to see a bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I shouldn't expect to see one.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Sure, Sure, and you know you can up your odds.
It's kind of interesting when you look at when you
look at the the accounts that are out there. It
was John Green put together some interesting statistics and those
are summarized in his book The Apes among Us, but
also the Sasquatch File. He kind of did some just
really coarse statistics and the most commonplaces to encounter a
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sasquatch are on a road at night or along as
a body of water. So one way to up your
odds rather than just sitting around your campfire all night
is you know, slowly and unobtrusively drive the roads at
night with a with a night vision thermal imager, you know,
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and recording capability because you always want a document otherwise
it's just a story. But that that's something that you
can do to increase your odds, I think. But otherwise,
you know, get familiar with where where animals are drinking,
where are there water holes or areas, where where the
ground surface would take tracks more readily than others. You
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spent a lot of time walking around the woods and
never see a footprint because you've never stepped on a
spot that would even show a footprint if an animal
had crosses. So those kind of things. Educating yourself in
those regards I think can up your odds, but in
the end it's going to be largely by chance.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Thank you again to doctor Jeff Meldrum for his contributions
to bigfoot research throughout the years. If you want to
check out that full episode, it's number three hundred and fifteen,
and make sure while you're at it you check out
number four hundred and eight as well in our archives into.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
The pair of normal pair of You spent a lot
of time walking around the woods and never see ant
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because you've never stepped on a spot that would even
show a footprint if an animal had crossed. Yes, So
those kind of things. Educating yourself in those regards I
think can up your odds, but in the end it's
going to be largely by chance.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
All right, that's doctor Jeff Meldrum from when we went
out to Baker City, Oregon for the Blue Mountain Bigfoot
Festival in June of twenty nineteen. What an experience it
was just to get some personal time with doctor Meldrum,
to hear his stories and to pick his brain. I
know that's a bad use of words in this situation,
because doctor Meldrum has passed away from they say, a
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brief illness after being diagnosed with brain cancer. Certainly not
the news that any of us wanted to hear. Certainly not.
At this point, doctor Meldrum had a lot still left
to offer the world of bigfoot research and cryptozoology in general,
professor of Anatomy Anthropology at Idahost State University. In fact,
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I owe it to Scott Violette with Squatch America who
invited me out to Baker City where he was also
hosting doctor Meldrum for the Blue Mountain Bigfoot Fest in
twenty nineteen, when we got to have such an intimate experience,
one that I will always remember. And so he's here
with us now to just share some thoughts on how
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much doctor Meldrum offered to the Bigfoot research community High Scott. Hi, Jeremy,
sounds like you're checking in somewhere from along the Bigfoot Road.
If you don't mind tell us about the impact that
doctor Meldrum has had on your research.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Oh, it was monumental.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Actually, yeah, he goes clear back to like when the
Freeman film was happening. Doctor Jeff was the first one
to actually just won't randomly walk up and knock on
the door of Paul Freeman and say I heard you
found some tracks, and Paul Freeman said, well, come come
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with me and I'll show them to you.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
That goes way back in the early nineties.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
So that's how doctor Meldrom got started in this research,
or one of his first four a's as they say.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
It was one of his first four a's on his
own out there. Yeah, he had spent some time with
doctor Grover Krantz before that, but it was the first
time I think he had ever seen a life footprint
for himself as when he went out with Paul Freeman, and.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
That Doctor Meldron was known for carrying many of these
prints with him at to Bigfoot conferences and festivals all
around the country.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
In fact, I think he has the largest collection.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Anywhere in the world, had his lab in Pokatoo. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, what were some of those prints from? Do you remember? Well?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
The first ones he found were actually, you know, up
in the mountains, in the Blue Mountains of eastern Oregon
with Paul Freeman. He had actually found by himself, had
found a set of.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Tracks that actually matched.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
A set of tracks that Paul Freeman had found four
years later, So they were actually the same animal that
made both the tracks four years apart. I'm not sure
if those were the first tracks he had ever found himself,
but I know it's one of the first tracks for sure,
which really drove him into the whole cryptid scene at
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that point.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
So what were some of your interactions like with doctor
Meldren through the years.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Oh, they were actually pretty fantastic.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Years ago, I used to be a steam punk stage
magician and the first time I met doctor Jeff Melderm
was I think twenty thirteen a in Boise, Idaho at
the Boise Comic Con, and a lot of people didn't
know he did more than.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Just bigfoot festivals.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
He had actually booked a booth at the comic con
that year and I was performing there and then It
was the first time I ever heard him talk on
stage and meet him face to face, and I actually
had my copy. I knew he was going to be there,
so I had my copy of his book, and I
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was like the typical fan boy at that point.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's like, oh my gosh, there is you know.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And I got to meet him and talk with him
for a while at his booth, and that was the
first time I actually met.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Him in person.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
And then he was gracious enough a few years later
to come to our first ever Blue Mountain Bigfoot Festival.
I contacted him, and one of the neatest things that
ever happened with me and doctor Jeff was the fact
that after meeting him, and you know, I had messaged
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him back and forth over the years, he's one of
the first people in the Bigfoot world to actually kind
of embrace me and pull me into the into the group. Basically,
he was very inviting. It really kind of shocked me
that someone who was kind of that big in the
Bigfoot world would just kind of take me under his
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wing and treat me like one of his own, you know,
one of the Bigfoot people early on, and that really
was a big part of me starting Squatch America and
going into this big foot research thing full time.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So now we have to keep this going in honor
of doctor Jeff Mildram absolutely sending our best wishes to
the Meldrum family in their time of mourning. Good Night,
and as we always say, God Bless