Megan Edge, Master Healer, Shares Her Courageous Heart on Valentine's Day

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Kristen O'Meara (00:00):
Hello, everyone, and welcome to

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intuition talks.
I have the honor and pleasure ofbeing with Megan Edge today.

Megan Edge (00:12):
Megan, how are you?
I'm well, thank you.
Thank you so much for having meon your show.

Yes, thank you for coming and joining us.
So there are so many things thatI want to talk to you about.
You have an incrediblebackground as a healer, as a
counselor, as a mother and ateacher, but I would love for
you just to spend a little bitof time sharing with us what you

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would like us to know about you.

Megan Edge (00:42):
Oh, thank you.
Yeah.
It's a, that is a, it's aninteresting invitation.
And I want to sit with that justfor a moment because so much has
changed and adjusted andevolved.
In my life, since I began thisjourney at doing healing work,
calling myself healer, takingthat, that name and taking that

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responsibility, I really see itas a responsibility and as we've
come through the last fouryears, each of us has, I
believe, has had to, or has hadthe opportunity to stop and look
at who we are and how we'reshowing up in the world and what
our priorities are and what'sreally important to us and
personally, over the last fewyears, I took a step back from

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my healing work.
I took a step back from mypublic persona, my public way of
showing up in the world, and Ireoriented myself back to my
family.
We went through a series of verysignificant losses over the last
four years, and I realized thatas a healer, for me to walk my
talk means that when I recognizeThat I need time and space for

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me and for my family, thatthat's something that I need to
ask the universe for.
And not only ask for it, butthen state it.
This is what I need.
Right?
And so that's what I did overthe last couple of years.
And so I'm now in this processof reacquainting myself with who
I am now, and, and exploring allthe different ways in which I

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can show up in the world someway similar to how I've done it
in the past and in othercircumstances different and
allowing them different ways ofmy being able to be of service
for the, for people to show upto the surface.
Can

we pause there because that I think is so
important and I, I want tohighlight that particularly for
folks who are interested in thehealing arts and want to work
with clients.
They've learned a lot.
They're excited about theirhealing modality, perhaps a

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modality that has helped themheal, and they want to work with
people.
I believe our journey ofawakening, our journey of, of
learning and seeking is alifelong journey.
I don't see it as beingsomething that's particularly
finite from beginning to end.
At least that's my perception ofit.

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If we want to continue learningand growing, I think it's so
honorable for you to have Hadthat awareness because for us to
show up, like you said, and workwith clients, particularly
clients who have experiencedtrauma and significant loss, we

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as healers and teachers need tobe able to learn how to go
through those.
That whatever, whatever it's,uh, grieving or, um, healing old
wounds that are, that are beingactivated from loss and pain to
know how to sit with people whohave gone through that or

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something similar.
And I think it's reallyimportant for healers to.
Be able to know when that timeis absolutely.
And it's a, it's a period of,of, I think, cause I've had to
do it of, um, perhapsuncertainty.
I think our mind can probablyget in the way.

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Like, um, I should be doing thispractice or I'm letting folks
down or things of that nature.
But I just think it's awonderful way to be able to
learn how to follow and listento our intuition in those
moments.

Megan Edge (04:42):
Absolutely.
And, and the whole healingjourney is, I, I believe by
definition, uh, an intuitivejourney.
Yes.
I'm sure you've heard the, the,the words wound, the wounded
healer.
Yes.
Right.
And we could say the woundedcounselor, the wounded
therapist, the woundedpsychologist, the wounded
psychiatrist.
I mean, why do we becomehealers?
Why do we become somebody thatis a sounding board for someone

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else's healing journey?
It's because somewhere along theway.
We've experienced a trauma.
We've experienced a loss orsomething that we are that we
are grieving and we found a waythrough it that we then want to
share with others.
Right.
I mean, that's fundamentally whyany one of us says I'm going to
be a healer because being ahealer is not for the faint of

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heart.
It's

not

Megan Edge (05:27):
for the faint of heart.
I mean, frankly, being humanisn't for the faint of heart,
but Yes, being a healer.
So having done my work, but asyou say, it's not.
Like, it's not ended.
People talk about, I had mygreat awakening.
That's awesome.
And you're going to have more.
There will be more earthquakes.

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There will be aftershocks.
You will, you will suddenly havesomething show up in your life
that you haven't had to dealwith yet.
And you're going to go to yourtoolbox, hopefully, your
healer's toolbox, and you'regoing to find all the ways that
you can navigate that experiencewith what you already know as a
healer, which then, Gives you adeeper and more rich way in

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which you can reengage with yourclients when that time is right.
And I, I don't mind sharing thatthe way that I realized that I
was burnt out and I was done waswhen I didn't care.
What my client was goingthrough.
Yes.
And it isn't that I didn'tempathize.
It's not like.
No,

no.
I had the same experience when Iwas in traditional count, uh,
therapy.
I wasn't showing up.
I was having a hard time beingpresent.

Megan Edge (06:35):
Yes.
Yeah.
And quite frankly, what wasgoing through my mind on the
umpteenth time that I washearing the same story, the
person was stuck in their storywas thinking.
Oh, for goodness sakes, just puton your big girl panties and get
on with it.
Which I realized it was notparticularly empathetic.
And sometimes that's actuallywhat the person needs to hear,

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but it wasn't coming from aplace of patience on my part.
Right.
Right.
And, and I knew then I wasn'tof, I wasn't being of help to
other people at that point andto try to pretend otherwise was
disingenuine.
And so I just took myself offsocial media.

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I took myself off Facebook.
I took myself off LinkedIn.
I didn't engage in any of thoseplatforms for over a year.

What an honorable step because Just from
knowing a lot of therapists andbeing in that world.
And I know that's not exactly, Iknow you are a counselor, but
that's just my reference of whatI'm hearing.

Megan Edge (07:38):
Um, if we,

first of all, this is a common occurrence for
all healers, I think, but to notknow the point in which you need
to unplug.
Uh, what happens, I think for alot of folks is they think, Oh,
this isn't for me.
This isn't my path.
They stop, uh, all together.
And I think what you're offeringis an act of courage because it

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takes courage to know when topause and step back.
It's, it's a, it's a pivot thatI think is.
Incredibly valuable for not onlyyourself and your family, but
for your clients who you willreturn to.
And I think what I've seen overthe years is, is therapists,
especially new ones or healers.

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I think that, okay, this isn'tfor me.
Um, so what a wonderful, um,part of your journey that you're
sharing with us, because I thinkthat is a part of the journey
that is maybe the shadow part.
People don't want to talk aboutit.
People are ashamed of that, ofthat aspect of being a

Megan Edge (08:50):
healer.
That's absolutely true.
And I have a healer's program.
It's, it's on pause right now,but I I've taught it for many,
many years called the selfconfident healer.
Um, it's a year long intensiveprogram to for women who know
that they are healers have thecapacity to be healers and, and
don't yet know how to step intothat, or they're coming from

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conventional healing modalitieslike mainstream medicine.
And they're, they're burnt outfrom that approach, and they're
looking for something differentor complementary to that
mainstream medicine.
And in the course, absolutelyand fundamentally, every single
section that we do, the work isours to do first, before we can

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then help someone else.
In that process.
Oh, I love the students gothrough all of the various tools
that I'm teaching them thatthey're going to be able to
share with their clients.
They have to sit in thosepractices and in those
modalities and they have to lettheir stuff come to the surface
and work with it in thecontainer that we create of that

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course so that when they leavethe program.
And they say to their client.
So here's what I need you to do.
I've got this mirror exerciseand I need you to stand naked in
front of your mirror and I needyou to really see who you are.
They've done it.
Yes.

And I've done that exercise.

Megan Edge (10:11):
No, it's not easy.
And then the therapist knows,you know, the healer knows what
that feels like.
And so they can, they can.
Tell they can say that to theirclient.
I know how hard this is going tobe I know you're gonna just feel
like all squirmy and you're notgonna want to do it but I'm
gonna hold you to it becauseI've been there and I know what
that feels like and you can youcan do this And we can do this
together and it it really to mymind It helps that empowerment

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piece because as far as I'mconcerned if you're a healer and
I don't care What kind of healeryou are your mainstream medicine
doctor?
You're a surgeon.
You're a psychiatrist.
You're an alternative healer.
You're an energy healer yourrole Is to empower your client.
To heal themselves.
Oh, amen.

It is so, so true.
It is so true.
And I love that you wereoffering this course.
And, and I, um, I would love toknow more about that course.
Cause I, I would love to be ableto let folks know about it when
it's, when it's on.
Um, because that is.
I think that is the true path ofthat archetype that you're

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talking about.
Chiron, the, the wounded healer.
Um, because As if folks don'tknow who Chiron is.
I don't know if it was a Greekor Roman, uh, story.
It could be an aspect of both.
I don't know because they allkind of, you know, take on the
mythology, right?

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Whoever's in power.
They borrow from each other.
He, he was a centaur, right?

Megan Edge (11:46):
I believe.
And

he had a wound that, that he could not heal or
that did not heal.
It did not heal.
It did not heal.
And from his experience of beingin pain and having that
suffering.
He learned a lot and he became amaster healer and helped others.
That's the short, I think theshort, um, uh, part of the

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story.
So we need to know, and we,well, we need to learn from our
suffering.

Megan Edge (12:18):
For sure, for sure.
Absolutely, and at the sametime, that empowerment piece is
so important.
What I want any, anybody that Iwork with, what I want them to
come away from any interactionthat we have together with is
that they are the healer ofthemselves.
Yes.
They know themselves better thananyone else does.

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It's not my job to tell themwhat to do or how to do it.
My role is to is supportive.
My role is like the wisdomkeeper for them.
Here's here's what my intuitionis bringing forward for what
that person's needs are or wherewhere that person's story is
coming from.
And then with their sharing oftheir story.

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I can help them create a newrelationship with the way in
which they're telling thatstory.
Yes.
Through the language thatthey're speaking, through the
perspective that they have,through understanding that they
are not a victim, but rather area participant in the things that
they have experienced and areexperiencing in their lives.
But not from a place of,therefore it's their fault, but

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from a place of, This is theparticipation.
How do you change then theparticipation if it's not
working for you, if it's not howyou want it to be going, you
know, yeah.
And then that responsibilitypiece is really key.
When someone tells me theirstory, they can tell me their
story from that place of andthen he said this to be and she
did that to me.
And okay, let's let's have thatstory exist.

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And then let's look at how wechange the client's relationship
to their story in order toempower them.
That's right.
Making those intuitive choicesfor themselves and understand
that at the end of the day, noone else is responsible for
their well being except forthem.
And so then, yeah, how do wegive them the tools so that they

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can take that responsibility?
Oh, I just

love that.
I love that, that what you'resaying, the healer is taking
ownership of who they are.
They're the only ones that knowthemselves the way that they do,
or they're the expert ofthemselves.
And they're, like you said,they're They're empowered,

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learning to be more and moreempowered as, as much work as
they do for themselves.
And they're like, what you'resaying, this is what I'm hearing
you say is they're holding theirclients accountable.
And they're allowing theirclients to find their intuition,
their inner voice to healthemselves.

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So it's more like a guide morethan, um, saying, I'm going to
shape you into.
What I think you should behonoring, honoring the client
and their story.
Yes, absolutely.
But then helping the client bemore objective.
Cause I think that that's theshame with, especially, um, in

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traditional counseling, althoughthere there's so many wonderful
counselors out there, but Ithink their clients get stuck in
a story.

Megan Edge (15:20):
Mm hmm.
Well, not only the client getsstuck in a story, but so does
the therapist, the therapistgets stuck in a yes.
And when I went through socialwork, so when I was in
university, I was doing women'sstudies as a undergrad.
And then I was doing a graduateprogram in social work at the
same time.
And what I was seeing in the wayin which social work was being

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taught at the university that Iwas at August taught.
Probably in many places.
And this was 30 years ago.
So yeah, hopefully it's changed,but maybe not.
Um, what I was seeing them whatwe were being taught was that
this is the way we understandhuman psychology.
This is the way we understandhuman relationship.
This is the only way in which wecan deal with solve problem

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solve help.
And there was no room in thattraining to step outside of that
and suggest other ways.
Different ways, spiritual ways,holistic ways, creative ways,
instead, everything was boxed upinto little compartments of, of,

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of experience.
You have a particular

person here, they need this, that kind of
thing.

Megan Edge (16:29):
Yeah, and because it's, it's government managed
because there's a lot ofoverhead and there's a lot of
bureaucracy, there isn't a lotof room, at least there didn't
used to be a lot of room to stepoutside of that.
So what, what you ended up withwas one size fits all solutions
or one size fits all medicine.
And we still have that in a lotof ways in our mainstream
medical system here in NorthAmerica.

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We have very much one pill foreverybody, one injection for
everybody, one approach foreverybody.
And we are each unique.
Beautiful individuals.
We have different metabolisms.
We have different thoughtpatterns.
We have different culturalreferences.
We have we're different from oneanother.
Yes.
And so understanding that andthen approaching healing from

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that perspective that eachindividual has their own unique
blueprint for healing as thehealer.
I think, and that's what I teachmy healers.
You need to step out of what youthink is right for someone else
and listen to their story andthen lean into their story and

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feel through your intuition,okay, what, what would help most
right now, nevermind step one,step two, step three, step four,
what will help right now withwhat I know.
That I can share that will be ofbenefit to my, to my client.
And sometimes it's nice andlight and sometimes it's pretty

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straight to the point, which Ioften am with my clients because
I don't know that a lot of, in alot of cases, a lot of clients
have come back to me to say, noone has ever spoken to me like
that before.
And thank you.
Oh, I think
we

all, we all need healers in our lives that
will say something that, thatthey, uh, that other folks don't
say.
That the courage in a safespace.

Megan Edge (18:19):
In a, in a safe space.
Supportive space.
Yeah.
Safe, supportive, um, direct.
Mm-Hmm.

feedback is, is a blessing.
Is a blessing.
'cause it's another awakening.
That's right.
Um, that that person can have,yeah, I just, you know, I, when
I was reading, uh, folks, pleasego to Megan's website and it's
megan edge ca ca.ca.

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That's the Canada, right?
I'm Canada.
I was about to do calm and I waslike, Nope, I didn't see that
Um, and we're gonna give youmore information about how to
reach Megan later, but I lovedreading your bio and.
I loved reading all of the, themodalities you use in your
healers toolkit, because what itreminded me of, and I think

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we'll, we'll touch on this in amoment, your love of nature and
how you were, how you werebrought up in relationship with
nature, which is, is reallyincredible.
But just to touch on what youwere talking about with healers
and working with healers and,and healing ourselves, it sounds
like you have a very good senseof.

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The senses, but we need to smelland touch and taste and using
our intuition because I had amoment of when you were talking
about sitting with a client andtrying to maybe not trying to,
maybe that's not the right word,but getting in touch with their

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soul and leaning into theirstory and allowing your
intuition or my intuition orwhomever to.
Understand what they need in themoment and looking at your
toolkit, you have acquired somany different tools to use.
Can you speak a little bit

Megan Edge (20:13):
about that?
Oh, gosh, where do I begin?
Uh, yes, there is a long list.

Well, we could start with nature, perhaps.
Yeah, I think with your family,um, and what you learn with
foraging and the different partsof Canada that you lived.
And I believe first it was thecoast.
Yeah, so it is a child and thenthe woods.
I just

Megan Edge (20:41):
yeah, yeah, I was born on the west coast of Canada
in Vancouver, um, B.
C., which is just north ofWashington and Seattle for those
of you who are in the U.
S.
So you get a sense of where weare, uh, right on the coast.
There's mountains.
There's forests.
There's the ocean.
It's a really dynamicgeographical location.
Um, and then when I was quitelittle, we moved from Vancouver
to Victoria, which is onVancouver Island.

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So it's a separate state.
Part of Canada, but quite closeto the mainland and that's where
I live now.
I've come back to my, to myroots.
And I was just, I was very, veryfortunate to grow up in a
foraging family.
My father at a very early agewanted to learn about the
outdoors.
His father was a hunter and anoutdoorsman as well.
So it kind of came down the lineand my mom embraced it when they

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were together and were married.
So I learned as, as a tinylittle thing to identify
mushrooms that were to pickberries that we could eat.
Uh, greens, wild greens likefiddleheads and wild garlic and
all of that and, and it just, itinfused my childhood and even
though we were living in thecities, I lived in Vancouver, I
lived in Victoria, Montreal, bigcity in Canada, Toronto,

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Halifax, I was always surroundedby, by nature and we're very
fortunate that most of ourcities in Canada are very Bye.
Bye.
Nature oriented, there's lots ofparks, there's lots of trees,
you know, you don't have to goout into a deep forest in order
to forage, you can forage inyour own neighborhood, which is
one of the things that I, Iteach people how to do.

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I have a, I have a number ofdifferent businesses, and one of
them is called Beyond the GardenGate Botanicals, and in that I
teach people how to forest, howto forage in the forest and the
beaches and in the urbansettings.
And then what to do with thethings that they have found, you
know, how to identify that, butthen what do you do when you
found wild garlic?
How do you use it?
Or how do you work with theseamazing mushrooms for nutrition

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and medicine and that sort of athing.
And, and so all of that was whatI grew up with.
In addition to that.
I learned at a very early agehow to cook and prepare foods.
So I didn't grow up with a lotof packaged foods or pre
prepared foods or fast food.
I grew up in a kitchen where westarted from scratch and we made

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amazing meals using spices andherbs and fresh vegetables and
fresh meats.
And keep in mind, I'm living ina big city when we're doing
this.
You can, you can do thiswherever you live.
Your health is going to be somuch better.
better when you use food asmedicine, which is what Socrates
said thousands of years ago, youknow, let food be thy medicine.

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Where do you think we gotvitamins from before we had
dollar supplement industry?
You know, you got your Bvitamins from your carrots and
the dirt that was on the carrotsand skin that was on the carrots
that you didn't.
I don't know.
Like that's, it's a whole, it'sa whole practice and it, and it
helps, you know, and it helpsnot just with our physical

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wellbeing, but it helps with ourmental wellbeing.
So when somebody comes to me asa client and says, you know, I'm
suffering from depression, or Ihave these triggers, or I've got
PTSD, or I'm just feeling reallyunhealthy.
Sure.
We're going to look at the, atthe emotional story and the
energetic story.
And we're going to start lookingat the nutrition story.
Oh, absolutely.

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What are you eating?
What are you putting into yourbody?
Because this whole dynamicsystem that is our body has so
many different layers.
It's multifaceted.
And that's what I

love about intuition development.
And it's just such a big passionof mine because what a journey
that is, is to once we reallyknow ourselves in that way, we
can look at food.
And intuitively know, okay, Ireally need this.

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I'm getting a sense that I needthat.
And I think that's a wonderfulintuitive practice.
Really just what you said.
I mean, there's so much there,but just using our intuition to
know, you know, I, I, I really.
I'm really craving or I'm reallywanting berries.

Megan Edge (24:44):
Salad.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or chocolate because chocolatecan be medicine as well when
it's good chocolate.
Absolutely.

And I don't want to derail you too much, but
I really also found what yousaid.
Very interesting for someone saywho is depressed and Hasn't
perhaps been eating well, andhasn't isn't really going
outside much.
What a wonderful way toreconnect with the earth with

Megan Edge (25:13):
our natural home.
Right.
Yes, absolutely.
And we have become disconnected.
You know, it's not hard to seehow disconnected much of the
population is, especially inurban settings in North America.
You know, you've got these big,huge cities.
When I look at images of NewYork, for example, I've never

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been to New York.
I hear it's a lovely place, veryvibrant.
There's lots going on.
There's the huge park in themiddle of it and all of that.
But what I often see is a lot ofbuildings.
There's so many buildings, somuch concrete.
Natural light doesn't exist inthe center of New York or in any
downtown core if there's tallbuildings, the way that it does

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if you're out in the suburbseven right or out where you
don't have that constriction andI.
I find myself feeling actuallyquite claustrophobic when I see,
um, you know, images of citiesfrom up, up above like drone
images from cities.
And I think, Ooh, that's not forme.

It reminds me of living in San Francisco and
it was always very shape.
There was no light really.
When you go in, in between thosebig buildings, it's like the
lights blocked.
And yeah, I know what you'resaying.
I, it is,

Megan Edge (26:29):
it's, it's.
Yeah.
And so to be able to, even inplaces like that, you can find
that little park or that littlecorner where there is that
little bit of extra light, thatlittle bit of extra green.
Go there, go there and sit andput your feet on the ground and
feel the earth beneath your feetand let yourself open in your
solar plexus to, okay, this wasonce.

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a forest.
There were once trees here.
There were brooks and there weregrasslands and that memory
imprint still exists underneaththe concrete.
This is an exercise that I getmy students to do when we're
doing the confident healer.
Is to find a place that'sconcrete and sit there with your
feet on the ground on a bench orwhatever and just close your

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eyes and imagine what thatlandscape looked like 300 years
ago or 100 years ago or howeverlong it's been since, you know,
that concrete was laid downthere.
All of the microorganisms arestill there.
You know, the mycelium is stillthere.
The little bugs are still there.
They're just, they're inhibernation right now because
they can't get to the surface,but they're still there and, and

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you can connect with them.
You know, I've had clients sayto me, Oh, but I live in a big
city.
I can't possibly connect tonature.
Well, sorry.
B.
S.
Yes, you can.
Buy a plant.
You can do it.
You know, get a pot of flowersand put them on your balcony or
get a bouquet and stick it onyour table.
Do not deprive yourself.

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Of nature, you do so at risk toyour health and well being and
we see it as a crisis, it's amental health crisis, it's an
obesity crisis, it's, it's all,it's dementia, it's Parkinson's,
it's Alzheimer's, it's heart,it's cardiovascular.
All of this can be healed.
There's lots of ways that we canheal it and I don't mean

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pharmaceuticals here.
I mean taking responsibility forour environment and how we show
up in that environment.
Stop the fast foods, stop thepackaged foods.
You do have choice.
You do have options.
You can do it.
You don't have to do it byyourself.
You can have someone to guideyou with it, but if you really
want to be healthy, there arevery easy ways and affordable

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ways that you can do it.
And another

one that you are adept at is the
aromatherapy.
That's another way we can tapinto our natural world.

Megan Edge (28:51):
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, I love that you're talkingabout aromatherapy.
I love working with essentialoils.
We could do a whole otherpodcast on essential oils.
Oh, I would love that.
You know and learn about them.
The first thing that I will sayabout aromatherapy though is
that there are a lot ofessential oils on the market.
that are not medicinal essentialoils.

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They smell nice, however,they've been so processed or
they've had um, extenders put inor alcohol or they've been,
they've been processed so muchto get the sweeter smell that
they don't have the medicinalbenefit and in some cases
actually using them inaromatherapy, like using them on
your skin or using them in adiffuser is not good for your

(29:32):
health because of the otherchemicals that have been put in
them in order to make themcheaper and affordable.
It is worth Your while to investin, even if it's only going to
be a couple of key ones likelavender or peppermint or
eucalyptus pure unadulteratedmedicinal quality essential

(29:53):
oils.
Yes.
It makes all the difference ifyou want to be using these oils
as part of your healing journeyand they are amazing.
Are they hard to find?
No.
No.
Okay.
No, they're not hard to find.
There's a couple of reallyexcellent companies out there
that are committed to making,um, to making pure
unadulterated, um, what's theword I'm looking for?

(30:16):
Organically grown.
Yes.
Ethically sourced, sustainable,growing practices.
Um, I, my personal favorite isYoung Living.
I've been working with YoungLiving Oils for the last five or
six years.
I haven't heard of them.
That's good to know.
They're amazing.
I'm happy to talk to you aboutit afterwards.
You can, you can look them up,Google them.

(30:37):
Um, just an incredible story ofhow that company was started and
the man who started it, GaryYoung and his story of healing
and his focus on, on givingpeople a way to heal themselves.
You know, to empower themselvesthrough these different healing
modalities.
And he was very big onnutrition.
He was very big on, um, gettingvitamins from our, you know,

(30:58):
environment, the foods that weeat, and then also creating
these amazing blends, thesynergistic blends of pure,
these pure essential oils tohelp with various kinds of
healings.
I can't, I'm not allowed by lawto make any health claims about
what an essential oil can do orwhat a blend can do, um, but I
can speak anecdotally.

(31:21):
To what my own experience hasbeen or what my clients and
students experiences have beenwith using these oils
specifically for particularailments.
And the results that, thatpeople have had once they
understand how to, how to workwith these.
So when I work with a client,we're also looking at how can we
support their goals, theirjourney, what they need to heal.

(31:44):
By using the essential oils andI will intuitively create blends
for them or I'll go to myresources and find blends that
have already been designed thatI'll then create for them that
they take home and they workwith in between our sessions.
So that they are continuing thehealing in their own homes with

(32:05):
the tools that I can provide forthem, right?
So the essential oils are someof those tools.
The botanical products that Imake are some of those tools,
things like the oracle cards,the hearts, those are tools.
Yes.

And we're going to get into that right after.

Megan Edge (32:19):
So that they can continue.
It's not like they come and seeme for 90 minutes.
And then they don't do anyhealing for the next week or two
until they see me again.
They have homework, and they areexpected, I have an expectation
of them that they will reachthat, that, they'll, they'll
stay with whatever it is that wehave worked on that day
throughout the time in betweenseeing me.

(32:40):
Using these tools, they givethem something to work with and
they love it.
Clients love it.

Oh, of course.
Cause you're, you're allowed,you're giving them so many gifts
for one thing.
I mean, there's so many layersto what you're, what you're
talking about and I don't wantto take, I want to get to the,
the Oracle cards, but healing,it's a simple but complex
journey.
And what I love about youoffering different modalities.

(33:11):
Is that we, we can have a senseof what aromatherapy can do to
help us, but it can be doingsomething that we had never
anticipated.
Yes, or the food or getting outin nature.
It's allowing these differenthealing modalities to, to
invoke, uh, something that, thatwill perhaps surprise us.

(33:39):
Cause I think we have a lot ofexpectations when we're on a
healing journey.
We want this and this and thistoo.
Be settled in done with, or wewant to feel better or happy,
but gosh, when we go on ahealing journey, using different
tools, it can.
Bring us to a place

Megan Edge (33:59):
of what I

have experiences, a lot of joy and
wonder and wanting more openingup that curiosity of, Oh, what
else is out there?
This is, this is enjoyable.
It's not drudgery.
So I feel a lot of joy whenyou're explaining these
different ways of healing.

Megan Edge (34:21):
Well, what I think is so important is that word
journey.
Yes.
And when I say this, I want tobe really clear with the
audience.
I'm, I'm not, I have nothingagainst mainstream medicine per
se.
It has saved my life on manyoccasions.
I have been in emergencysituations where without that
immediate response, I wouldn'tbe here right now.

(34:43):
I get that.
And I get there's amazingdoctors and nurses and
practitioners out there.
There's, I mean, it's, it's notblack or white, right?
There's lots of differentvarieties of people like there
are in anything.
What I see as a failing of ourmainstream medical system.
Is that it isn't curiousanymore.
Oh, that is.
Yeah.
And, and it's, it's, um, the,the approach is one size fits

(35:05):
all and how can we immediatelyaddress the symptoms, but there
doesn't seem to be a lot ofcuriosity for this source, and I
speak from personal experiencewith this.
My daughter developed.
a neurological condition verysuddenly when she was 16 and all
of us were, were completelytaken aback.
But it's like, what is this?

(35:26):
Where did this come from?
How did it happen?
And mainstream medicine didn'tknow what to do with it.
They, they didn't recognize it.
They didn't.
And so what we were given was,well, here's a drug to help with
the seizures and here's, here'swhat you can do for the nausea
as a medicine.
And that was it.
And I said to one of thedoctors, yes, but Where did this

(35:48):
condition come from?
And he said to me, that's notimportant.
Let's just

treat that.
Let's put the bandaid on.

Megan Edge (35:56):
Yeah.
What matters is that we managethe symptoms.
And I said to him, no, that'snot good enough.
I want to understand what causedit.
Cause every single symptom has acause.
Absolutely.
It's not, it's not good enoughto say, Oh, well, we don't know.
We don't know where it camefrom.
Then find out where it camefrom.
Get curious.
Do the, do the research, lookinto it for goodness sakes.

(36:17):
Well, there is, there, there is

a, um, a growing concern and this is, uh,
you know, rabbit hole that Iknow we won't get into too much,
but how mainstream medicine ordoctors.
Um, they're no longer thescientists that they once were.
They don't, they don't.
They're so boxed in probably bythe administrative aspect that

(36:43):
they, they either don't have thetime or they haven't been taught
how to be more curious

Megan Edge (36:48):
or they're not allowed or they're not allowed.
And we've seen that in the lastfour years.
We have seen that.
So they're not

allowed.
So we do need to highlight.
And I think that's what you'rereally saying.
The alternative.
Medicinal or their alternativehealing approaches because.
For one, they offer so much hopeand in addition to per se of the

(37:21):
mainstream medicine, because ofcourse, if someone's having
seizures, they need to betreated.
But if we, we have to be thecurious ones, we have to take
ownership of our health.
I think it's another big aspect,at least that's how I see it.
Is that.
Instead of allowing any experts,you know, giving, giving our

(37:44):
ownership away, giving our truthaway,

Megan Edge (37:46):
or, um, we

have to be the one to hold

Megan Edge (37:51):
that and that can take a lot of courage and risk
for some of us.
Exactly.
And, and, you know, the medicineis a big, um, environment when a
person walks into a hospital ora clinic and there's.
person comes out wearing thewhite coat and the stethoscope.
There's something actuallycalled white coat syndrome.

(38:12):
Yes.
Even the most intelligent, mostself confident person sees that
and immediately becomes smalland compliant and acquiescent
and forgets every question thatthey came in with.
Hi, it's a very, very, Oh, I'vefelt it before.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
It's like deer.
It's like deer in the headlight.
Like, Oh, uh, do I have anyother questions?
Nope.
I'll just take your prescriptionand go.

(38:34):
And so where there can be anadvocate, you know, someone who
can help a person navigate thatsystem and be able to be that
voice for them or their, thatcoach, um, to help with the
medical system.
It's one of the things that I dofor my clients as well when I'm,
when I'm special for doing homecare with clients.
And they're in the, and they'rein the medical system is, okay,

(38:55):
so let's think about thequestions you're going to ask
next time you see yourpractitioner, your doctor,
whomever, and let's make sure wewrite them down and bring them
with you, you know, and I cancome with you to that
appointment and I can be thatsounding board or that confident
energy so that a person gets thetreatment that they need.
Because again, at the end of theday, it's actually not the

(39:16):
doctor's responsibility to makesure that you are well and
healthy.
That's right.
That's your responsibility.
So stop giving your power overto that white coat and, and
start looking at how can youkeep yourself healthy.
Oh, I love that.
And out of the hospital and outof the doctor's office, right?

(39:37):
And the beautiful thing aboutthings like, like nutrition and
aromatherapy and counseling isthat it's not like that.
Right?
You're not going to get a pilland immediately feel better.
Something that keeps poppinginto my mind, you know, talking
about intuition, I'm gettingthis little nudge to say this.
I remember reading one time adoctor who was doing a lot of
studying on water and howchronically dehydrated most of

(40:00):
us are and how we're notdrinking water properly for it
to get into our cells in orderto make us be healthy and help
our immune system.
He said, think about this.
You get a headache.
What do you do?
You go and you take a aspirin ora Tylenol or acetaminophen and
you get a big glass of water andyou drink the water as you put
the pill into your mouth.

(40:21):
He says, what's giving you thebetter benefit?
The glass of water or the inertpill that you just took?
His argument was it's the water.
Most headaches are caused bydehydration.
Drink a glass of water with apinch of salt in it first.
Wait 20 minutes, 10 or 20minutes, which is what they tell
you on the bottle of Tylenol.

(40:42):
You know, wait 20 minutes.
But within 20 minutes, if you'vetaken that pinch of salt in that
water, that water's gotten intoall your cells, everything
starts working again, includingyour brain, which has gotten
dried out and you don't have aheadache anymore.
And that is water.
It's

really what I'm hearing is a theme of be curious
and investigate and learn aboutdifferent ways to heal and, and
trust that.
If that doesn't work, thensomething else will, because I
think what happens for a lot ofus on a healing journey is that.

(41:22):
We may try one or two things andgo, okay, this isn't for me, but
it's really a lot of it is aboutexperimentation and trust
because the journey is really,um, that's a whole other, uh,
episode, but there's a lot ofunknown.
There's a lot of uncertainty andit, it, it can be difficult,
especially when we're in painand we want to heal.

(41:43):
So a lot of it, at least for mespeaking for myself, it's a lot
of experimentation

Megan Edge (41:48):
and I would say as well being present.
Yes.
Something that I've beenteaching myself and learning
over many, many decades, havingexperienced chronic pain, I was
given a diagnosis offibromyalgia about 15, almost 20
years ago now.
And.
I was in, I was in such pain andsuch agony, I had two little

(42:10):
tiny kids running around and Ifelt like I was such like the
worst, not the worst, I feltlike the most unhealthy 95 year
old I could possibly be.
And I was in my thirties and Ihad gone to every mainstream
medicine, I'd gone to everyspecialist and of course the
specialists specialize, that'swhy they're called specialists.
So the elbow doctor isn'ttalking to the knee doctor,
right?
They've got completely differentspecialties.

(42:32):
And it was when I went to anaturopath and she spent an hour
with me.
Which is better than the 10minutes you get with a regular
doctor.
And again, they've got their ownconstraints.
And she looked at every singlesymptom, every single thing that
I was experiencing, and sheconnected these dots and she
said, I'd like you to go homeand look up this particular
condition called fibromyalgia.
Just look at it, read everythingabout it.

(42:53):
See if you check off any of theboxes and then come back and see
me.
So I did that.
I checked off every box.
I thought, oh my gosh, there's athing.
There's a something.
There's a something that thiscould be that could explain what
I'm experiencing and that I canthen have that information and
do something with.
So I came back to see her a weeklater and I said, yeah, this is

(43:14):
what it feels like is happening.
And she said, great.
So are you willing to make somechanges?
I said, absolutely.
Because I didn't want to betaking drugs for my pain.
I didn't want to be taking anyof that kind of stuff.
It has its time and place, but Ididn't want to be using it all
the time.
Because I also, I also knewintuitively that it was
poisoning me.
Yeah, it's too much for mysystem to be able to cope with.

(43:34):
So she said, take weed out ofyour diet immediately, all
gluten.
Out of your diet.
And then she said, start lookingat your life.
Oh, isn't that interesting.
And are you living your life?
How are you living your life?
Oh, what a gift.
Amazing.
It was an amazing experiencebecause I took gluten out of my

(43:55):
diet and Honestly, it feels tome like the next day, it was
probably a couple of days, but Iremember dancing around my
kitchen with my girls, swirlingaround, because I could move and
my brain was clear and I wasfeeling all vital and sexy,
which I hadn't felt in a reallylong time.
And I get my goosebumps is oneof my intuitive things when I,

(44:17):
when I talk about it, because itwas such a dramatic.
I don't know how many times Iturned around that day, but it
was incredible, it wasincredible.
But taking the gluten out andchanging my, the way I was
eating, which was already veryhealthy component to it, wasn't
enough.

(44:38):
Then I had to look for thesource.
Right.
And I believe, and I'm not alonein this, any physical ailment or
injury that we experience hasits source in an emotional
story, an emotional experienceand an energetic experience.

Well, I have one briefly, which was a foot
injury.
It was a heel pad injury and ittook eight or nine months to
heal, but I went into meditationbecause I was getting so
frustrated.
And I asked.
One of my guides first to healme, please, please give me some
healing.
And the, what I got immediatelyis this is about not being in

(45:18):
balance.
You need to find balance in yourlife.
We can't heal this for you.
And then of course I was upset.
I'm like, why I'm a single momand I deserve this I've been
through hell, but, but I had tojust, Kinda like what you said,
put my big girl pants on and go,okay, what's, what, what is not

(45:42):
in balance?

Megan Edge (45:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I was saying earlierabout being present to the pain.
Yeah.
I get how painful things can be.
I know that personally I it,pain is a, is crippling.
It can be crippling.
What it is, is a message fromyour body.
Your body is saying, help me.
Pay attention.
Yes.
Pay attention.
This pain is because somethingisn't working in my system.

(46:06):
I'm out of balance somewhere.
You're not eating the rightfood.
Not to put it that way.
Let's say you could be eatingbetter food.
You could be drinking morewater.
You could be addressing yourchildhood traumas.
And not all of us are willing orwanting to do that.
And that's another aspect ofhealing is the, the sort of the,
not the wounded healer, but thewounded client who is so used to

(46:27):
being in pain is so used to theresponse that they receive from
the people around them.
The attention that that isthey've created an identity.
Yes, around whatever theirillness is, whether it's mental
or physical or, you know,whatever it happens to be.
I've always said I was given,actually I changed it.
offered a diagnosis offibromyalgia.

(46:49):
I have love that I was offered adiagnosis of fibromyalgia and
then it was up to me to learnhow to manage the symptoms of
that experience and how to healthe emotional wounds that were
underneath the physical symptomsand the physical symptoms were
my body's way of saying pleasehelp us and so the symptoms

(47:12):
become a friend they become anally In understanding what is
happening at that emotional andthat energetic level.
Oh, that is

wonderful.
Thank you for gifting us withthat because I, that I, that is
something that I want to sitwith and think about for myself.

Megan Edge (47:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
What a gift.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
One of the practices that I'vetaken on recently is if I, if I
feel an ache or a pain in mybody before I immediately go to,
well, I don't anymore go to apharmaceutical solution.
Um, but let's say before I evengo to the heating pad or rubbing
on some essential oils that canhelp with the ache, I'm giving

(47:56):
myself permission to sit andfeel.
What is that pain in my shoulderor what is that little headache
or what is that pain in my toe?
I just want to sit with it and Iwant to Breathe and see what I
can do about it just by sittingin it and then feeling into,

(48:16):
okay, what do I, what does thatneed?
What does my shoulder need?
Hey, shoulder, what do you needright now?
Well, I need you to stretch or Ineed you to stop moving or I
need you to get up from thecomputer.
Yes.
Oh, okay, cool.
I'm going to do that.
And then what are you from?
And it might be from an oldsports injury.

(48:37):
It.
And then you'd go, okay, well,why did I get injured at that
time?
And why is it showing up now?
It might just be because youwent swimming yesterday for the
first time in a week or two, andthe muscles are just moving
through the lactic acid and, youknow, the other inflammation
that you got from a little bitof overuse.
It's not chronic, it doesn'treally need anything.
It's going to resolve on itsown.

(48:58):
You just need to give itpermission.
You need to trust and say, okay,I trust you, body.
You will take care of this.
I'll be a little uncomfortablefor a couple of hours, but then
it'll be okay and I guaranteeyou remember you had that pain
by the end of the day or a fewhours later in that kind of a
circumstance.
Well, what a wonderful

way to be more in relationship with our body in
the consciousness of our bodyand being co inhabitants or, you
know what I'm saying?
One thing that I.
It reminds me of also gratitude.
I re I don't, I don't take asmany baths now.

(49:40):
It's kind of, well, it's a weirdthing.
No one needs to really know why,because I didn't really like the
bathtub where I live the way Ilived before I loved the
bathtub.
So anyway, I took a lot of bathsand I needed a lot of baths at
that time in my life.
But I remember just looking atmy feet and just going, gosh,
thank you.
Thank you for carrying me all ofthese years and look where

(50:02):
you've been.
So it's, it's also interesting.
It's a, I guess a bit of ajuxtaposition, but it's
interesting to also listen toour pain and speak to our body
and be curious and use ourintuition and also to be
grateful to

Megan Edge (50:19):
absolutely.
Look, this is the one bodyyou've got for this whole life
journey.
Yeah, it's unique.
You've never had this bodybefore you'll never have it
again Why wouldn't you want tobe in right relationship with
it?
It is a symbiotic relationshipYes, there is whatever we
consider to be the soul or thethinking mind or you know that
creative aspect of ourselvesThat's being expressed Through

(50:43):
this physical body because we'rein corporeal form here.
We need to be in a physical formin order to navigate Earth and
pick up a pencil and you know,all those sorts of things.
And, and I, it's a rhetoricalquestion but really think about
this.
Why wouldn't you want to be inright relationship with your
body, whatever that is for you,that could fill pages.

(51:07):
If

someone, someone's on a healing journey,
wanting to know more aboutthemselves, will you say that
question

Megan Edge (51:13):
again?
Why would you want to be inright relationship with your
body?
Whatever that is for you,because what's for me is right.
Relationship with my body.
Isn't going to be for you or forthe cashier at the grocery store
or for the post officepersonnel, or for your child.
Your, this is yourresponsibility, this amazing

(51:36):
body, and I don't care how muchpain it's in or how many times
you think it has failed you,you're, you wouldn't be here
without it.
That's right.
It's the most importantrelationship.
It's more important than yourrelationship with your spouse or
your children.
It's the relationship withyourself and the physicalness of
your being.
I

totally agree.

Megan Edge (51:56):
Totally agree.
And if you don't have a goodrelationship with your body,
it's going to be hard for you tohave a good relationship with
any of the other people in yourlife.
That's true.
Bottom line.
When somebody comes to me andsays, you know, my marriage is
suffering or my relationship isthis, the other thing, one of
the first questions I'll askthem is, how do you feel about
yourself?

(52:16):
Where, where are you with you?
Oh, I can't stand the way I lookor, oh, I, I'm, I'm a failure or
I'm a this or I'm a that.
How can you let someone elselove you if you can't?
Love yourself.
You're doing yourself a hugedisservice and as a service to
the people around you who aretrying to love you, that's
probably aren't getting very farwith that because of where you
are with you.

(52:38):
Oh,

it's so true.
And now I think this is aperfect time to talk about your
amazing Oracle deck, which iswhat

Megan Edge (52:48):
brought us

in communication to do this
episode.
And a big part of, I think whatwe're talking about.
Is the

Megan Edge (52:58):
heart.
Absolutely.

And I would love for you to share with us

Megan Edge (53:05):
about

your story of how this came to be, how this
Oracle deck came

Megan Edge (53:11):
to be.
Okay.
So as I was separating out frommy marriage of about 23 years,
which was part of that.
Being offered the diagnosis offibromyalgia and being asked
this question of, you know, howam I living in my life and how

(53:33):
would I want to be living mylife.
Part of what I had to do and itwasn't even like I made a
conscious choice it just thingsstarted to show up within the
marriage that gave me theopportunity to really start
looking beyond the blinders thatI had erected.
Where I had this belief, thisstory that everything was fine

(53:53):
and everything was great and wehad this amazing, wonderful
relationship.
And on some levels we did, butbehind the bedroom door, as they
say, there were other thingsthat were going on that I had
allowed for a very long timethat was crippling me because
what was happening is thatresentment was building up in my
bloodstream and that's whatresentment does is an emotion

(54:14):
that gets into our bloodstreamand it was literally crippling
me.
Yes.
So I knew that if I was going tolive.
And I don't mean that to soundoverly dramatic, but I knew
intuitively that if I was goingto live and thrive and do the
work that I wanted to do in theworld, I needed to, I needed to
address what was happening inthat time.

(54:34):
Marriage and that relationshipand how I was showing it and how
I was allowing myself to betreated.
And so as this was unfolding andunfurling and falling into many
different parts, I said to theuniverse, I just need a sign.
Give me a sign that when I seeit, that symbol, that object,
that number, whatever it is,when I see it, I'm reminded that

(54:57):
I am doing the best I can withwhat I know at the time and that
I'm following my heart above allother voices.
And the universe has an amazingsense of humor and the universe
immediately started showing mehearts.
Okay, so it's heart stones or,you know, somebody painted a
heart on the side of a buildingor a leaf.
We're

going to show Megan something really specific
that she can't not see.
You know what I'm saying?
Cause we need those, we needthose symbols that we can just
like see.
Cause we're just all so in ourstuff.
Yeah.

Megan Edge (55:29):
Well, and here's the thing about the heart.
It can break.
You know, our hearts are,there's, there's the physical
heart, you know, we can pull upa diagram and look at all the
valves and all the things in thechambers of the heart.
And then there's the emotionalheart, which imprints itself
onto our physical heart.
And when we are carryingheartbreak from, it doesn't

(55:49):
matter how long ago, it could belast week.
It could be 40 or 50 years ago.
We're carrying that, and ithasn't been addressed, resolved,
healed, acknowledged.
That is going to have an effecton our heart, on the
physicalness of our heart.
And people, people die of brokenhearts.
It's well documented.
It happens.
And not only that, but alldepression, I believe, results

(56:11):
and resonates from the heart.
And what we, what we have beengiven externally, and then what
we create internally forourselves.
So that having been said, Isaid, okay, I want to start
seeing hearts.
All right, I need a symbol andit became, became, right.
And I started taking photographsof these hearts as I saw them
with my cell phone.
And I just kept them to myself.

(56:31):
They were my reminders,especially on a really difficult
day as things were unravelingemotionally, and I was doing my
very best to try to keep them.
Stay in integrity and keepeverything together.
This little heart would show upand I'd look up and go, okay,
thank you.
Take a moment, take a breath.
What does my heart, what does myheart need?
What does my heart want?

(56:52):
And my then husband and I werein couples counseling.
And one of the questions thatthe counselor asked us was
specifically me.
She said, what do you want?
What do you need?
What does your heart want?
And in that moment, all I couldsay to her is.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know what I need or whatI want.

(57:14):
She said, well, you got to get,you better get clear.
If this is going to work or thisis going to need to change.
Yeah.
You need to know what you want.
And I, I really took that toheart as we say, you know,
that's one of those sayings,those hard things.
Um, and, and the longer theshorter it was that I always had
always wanted to navigateanything like this in my life

(57:35):
with integrity.
And to know that I was makingthe best possible choices that I
knew how to make with as muchinformation as I had, both
emotionally and, you know,practically to make sure that
everybody was okay, including mymyself.
So fast forward, um, I I'm nowin my own home.
I've got my daughters, they'regoing back and forth to the, to

(57:57):
their father's place and to myplace.
And I'm, and I'm taking myhealing practice and making it
my full time job now, becauseI've got to support us.
And a friend said to me, youreally got to get on Facebook.
And I said, I don't want to beon Facebook.
I didn't know much about it atthe time.
But she said, no, no, no, justset up a page, set up a business
page and start sharing thoseheart photos.
Why would anyone want to see myheart photos?

(58:19):
She said, no, just trust me.
So I did, did the learningcurve, figured it out.
And I started just putting thesepictures on Facebook and I was
not prepared for.
The response.
I mean, it was justoverwhelming.
It was amazing.
I had people writing to me withtears in their eyes saying, Oh
my gosh, your heart was sobeautiful that I saw now I'm
seeing hearts too.
And you've got to do somethingwith these hearts.

(58:40):
We want more.
We want more.
Um, and having worked withOracle cards for decades and use
them often in my practice, Iused to do a lot of Oracle card
readings for clients and, uh,and also just using them as a
meditation tool or a healingtool.
Uh, well, yeah, why not?
Yeah.
Make a, make an Oracle card deckand let's, let's have it be my
photography and you know, let'shave it be that this and that.

(59:02):
And I, and then I realized I gotagain, I'm one of these
intuitive hits that said, yes.
And also you're going to need toshare your story.
I'm like, what story?
What do you mean?
I have to share my story.
You know, that story about howyou've asked for help and the
why of why you asked for help.
You know, that wholerelationship thing that was
going on.
I was like, yeah, nobody wantsto hear that.

(59:22):
The voice said, yeah, they do.
Oh, yes.
Damn.
Okay.
I mean, darn.
Okay.

So that's a hard, that's a hard step for a
lot of us.
Oh my god.
The vulnerability of.
Huge.
Yes.

Megan Edge (59:40):
Yes.
Huge.
Huge.
And even as a counselor at thattime and doing these, this
intuitive counseling andeverything, I still, there was
this little, like this, this oldstory that came up that said,
well, who would want to hearabout what I've been through?
Mm hmm.
Oh.
I mean, okay, now I look back atit and go, really?
Come on.
But that's where I was at thetime.
I said, okay, fine, that's whatyou're asking me to do, that's

(01:00:01):
what I'm going to do.
Because what I had also noticedis that in the other Oracle card
decks that I had been workingwith for years and years, there
was no connection shared betweenthe author of those Oracle cards
and the origin of those Oraclecards.
That,

Kristen O'Meara (01:00:14):
you know, I don't think I've ever seen that
before.

Megan Edge (01:00:17):
Yeah.
And my work is all about story.
You know, I'm a story holder andthen a story, I don't know,
evolver or whatever, you know,we changed that story.
And I thought, okay, if I'mgoing to do this again in
integrity and I'm going to say,I'm, I know some things about
the heart and how it can hurtand how it can heal.
I'm going to have to demonstratethat.

(01:00:37):
So I wrote my story in the frontof the guidebook that comes with
the box set.
It was the most terrifying thingI've ever done in my entire
life.
Yes,

this is for folks.
Hopefully the glare isn't too,there it is.

Um, and so I, so I, I did it, I wrote it.
And then, um, then I had allthese images that I had to, that
I wanted to pick from and Iwanted to choose from.
And I, I, again, I used myintuition.
I put all my photos up on myscreen and I just, I looked at
them.
Do you want to be in this deck?
Yes.
No.
Okay.
And I just made it real quick.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
42.
Within a couple of days, I had42 images.

(01:01:17):
In this same time, I, I had hadtonsil surgery.
Um, and as an adult, having atonsillectomy is a huge deal.
So it's a big, big operation.
Um, in fact, the surgeon hadsaid to me, are you sure?
He said, I wouldn't wish this onmy worst enemy.
And I said, well, I've been sickfor a really, really long time.
And I'm getting stuck in mythroat.
And anyone who knows body talkwill know, oh, throat, that's

(01:01:40):
about voice.
That's about your truth.
That's about communicating.
So I had the surgery.
And then there was an emergencysituation that occurred after
the surgery and I almost diedand I had to be flown in and
they had to redo the surgery andin the days following.
And I don't say that quickly todiminish it, but just, yes, yes,
yes.

(01:02:00):
Yeah.
So, so afterwards I'm in myhospital room and my husband
comes in with my laptop and hesays, right, you're going to be
here for at least three or fourdays.
You need to write the messagesfor each of those heart cards.
What a wonderful,

wonderful

gift.
And what was so interesting tome in retrospect is that I
didn't have a voice, right,after my surgery, I had no
voice.
Oh, wow.
Because of the way the surgeryhad to be done.
So I couldn't get in the way ofthe messages that my heart
wanted to share for each of theheart cards that are in that

(01:02:36):
deck, the 42 cards that are inthat deck.
Wow.
It was really powerful.
Really powerful.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
That is just profound.
Yeah.
And so from there, there'salmost a whole process of, of
publishing.
We self published first and wecreated different aspects of it.

(01:02:57):
There's a lot of moving piecesto it because it isn't just a
book or a deck of cards.
It's a whole box set.
It's a healing toolkit.
It is.
You've got your deck of cards.
They're all full color.
You've got your pen and yourbookmark.
You've got your journal and thenthe guidebook.
And then it's all in that reallybeautiful box set that you were
showing.

Oh, I just love it so much.
And I've been, well, thank youfor sharing your story.
I don't want to, I don't want torush, rush that.
I, I think that's one of.
Learning, learning to use myvoice, whether it's podcasting
or speaking my truth or sharingmy story, um, parenting a child

(01:03:35):
with autism or whatever has beenprobably one of the most
challenging and most, um,fruitful maybe experiences of my
life.
And I think that, um, hearingyour story and.

(01:03:56):
Encouraging people, especiallywith the journal that you
include in the box set to allowa part of ourselves to speak is
so healing because I wouldimagine I know for me growing
up, um, it wasn't encouraged.
And I imagined that that's,that's not uncommon.

(01:04:19):
And, um, Allowing it in andkeeping with the theme here,
allowing our heart to speak andwhat that would be like to
journal that, because that's apart of our voice is just
another aspect.
I suppose.

Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And as women, like, let's pullout the women card for a moment
in our culture, we are taught tonot.
Speak.
It's still there.
It's still in our classrooms.
It's still in our workplaces.
Yes, we've come a long way andwe still have a long way to go.

(01:04:56):
And yes, we have a bigger voicethan some other women do in the
world.
And we need to be, we need to bein that energy of encouraging,
encouraging, encouraging.
Women need to have their voicesheard.
We have something to say.
And you might not like it, butyou're going to have to hear it.
It's important.

(01:05:17):
It's so important.
I used to have chronic throatissues, chronic bronchitis.
Um, I would always get strepthroat.
I ended up with tonsil, withhaving to get my tonsils taken
out.
All of that to me connects inwith, with so the, the many,
many times where I didn't feelthat I had a voice.
Or my voice was overridden.

(01:05:39):
My idea wasn't heard.
I was told to shut up and sitdown or be quiet or not access
that, which is why story is soimportant to me when I'm in with
a client, whether they're maleor female, tell me your story.
You've got the whole room and Iam your, your, you know,
undivided audience.
Tell me your story.

And I imagine for some of them that could have
been the first invitation or thefirst opportunity to really have

that space.
To stand in non judgment of it.
Yes.
The other, that's the other keything.
A person can tell their storybut feel really judged, or are
they judging themselves for thatstory?
And that was one of theprocesses of healing for me when
I wrote my story, that part ofthe story about my marriage, and
then let it go.
Because once it's out there inthe world, how it's received by

(01:06:28):
somebody else is nothing to dowith me.
It's none of my business, and Ihave no control over how they
And so it's really important tobe able to sort of, uh, view or
experience

that story.
That's that's a very good advicefor people who are writing.
And publishing their stories isto let it go and not be attached
to like what you're sayingsomeone's opinion of it.

And the way that I packaged it all up and it was
really meaningful to you.
Somebody else might not evenlook at it in the bookstore.
It's like, Oh, whatever.
I'm not even aware of it, whichis totally fine.
Yeah, it's absolutely fine.
If they're looking for somethingthat's going to be their tool,
they'll find it.
It doesn't have to be this.
It's going to be something elsethat resonates for them, you
know?

(01:07:17):
And so my, I feel like my roleas the, the author of this, as
the orchestrator of these heartsis, is to, to release them.

And just let them have, because I believe, I
believe that what we create andshare with the world has a life
of its own and just to let ithave a life of its own and how I
resonated with your cards.
First of all, the first card Ipicked was exactly how I was
feeling.
So how I have.

(01:07:49):
Resonated.
Oh my gosh.
This was just the woundedhealer, right?
I just picked it up and we'vebeen talking about the wounded
healer.
That's wild.
When I use your cards, which Iadore when I pick one, not
knowing what it is, of course,cause you're using it as an
Oracle.

It isn't, it

is how I'm feeling and what I need to tap
into.
With regard to my, my feelingcenter, my heart center, it's
reminding me to feel and I, Iknow that for myself and for
other people that I, that I am,um, in relationship with feeling

(01:08:35):
is not an easy thing.
And what I, what I love first isthat we can all resonate with
the symbol of the heart.
We're going to have experiencesof that in a different way.
We're all going to experiencethat symbol differently, but
what it evokes is feeling.
And this is such an incredibleOracle deck because it's helping

(01:08:59):
us.
Feel it's helping us in manyways.
For me, that's how I'minterpreting it for myself in
the moment or other people.
It could be something completelydifferent, but for myself, it's
helping me listen to my heartand allow myself to have
feelings that I may not want to

express.
Which is why there's a journal.
So you could write it down andno one else has to know about
it.

Yeah.
So that's my experience and Iwanted to share.
So

beautiful.
Thank you for sharing that.
Yes.
I, I work with my deck all thetime.
Uh, well, all the time, everyonce in a while I will come
downstairs from my, my room andinto my office and they're,
they're sitting on my deck and Ithink, Oh yeah, today, today I
should, I should pull a card andI just pulled one today.
Oh! This is called Twin Hearts.

(01:09:50):
Oh, tell us about that one.
So the image of it, and when I,when I teach people about how to
work with Oracle Cards, I, I,my, my teaching is the first
thing you do is look at thepicture.
Don't look at the message yet.
Just see the image.
What do you see?
What is your interpretation ofwhat you're seeing here?
Right.
So for me, there's there's anecho.

(01:10:11):
And what this is, is this is alittle piece of brick that is
shaped like a heart.
I found it on the beach justlike that.
And I left it on the table, thecoffee table outside on my front
porch, and it rained.
And I came out the next day andI went to pick it up and there
was this little second heart.
Perfect little heart.

(01:10:31):
Oh.
That the heart, that the brickhad shed.
Yes.
Right.
So you can, you can see that andyou can, you can make all kinds
of association with it, which isreally what Oracle Cards are
for.
It's like an association game.
And the message that Twin Heartshas, so the messages are on the
back of the cards.
The message is, your love isalways with you, even when you

(01:10:51):
are far apart.
You are connected to one anotherand are a reflection of each
other, separate but in the samebreath.
And so this could be that theperson who pulls this card,
their loved one is far away.
And so this is that reminderthat they're always connected.
For me, when I look at thisright now, my partner's at work,
my husband's at work right now,so he's not in the house.

(01:11:13):
But he's coming home in theevening.
So we're, you know, we're stillgoing to see each other.
For me right now in this moment,it's that reminder of separate
but in the same breath.
Because in any relationship,it's important that you are
separate, right?
It's important that you don'tbecome so enmeshed in the other
person that you've forgotten whoyou are, which is very common in
relationship.

(01:11:33):
A healthy relationship has twopeople.
Or three or four, depending onwhat you're into, but generally
two people, it takes all types.
And, and then there's thisenergy in between the two
people.
And this is where you canconnect and mesh is in the
energy between you, but you arestill distinct.

(01:11:54):
Yes.
Right.
And you breathe in to eachother.
And maybe one day you need tobreathe a little more with your
partner.
And then the next day they needto breathe a little more with
you, but there's always thatflexibility.
You know, that's in, that's inbetween you.
And then we can take that cardfurther.
And when I pull a card like thisin a, in something like a

(01:12:16):
podcast, where we know thatthere's the energy of anyone who
is witnessing it, the, this is,this card is for them as well as
for the community.
Yes.
So this is also a number nine.
Um, all the cards are numbered.
I do a lot of work withnumerology as well as one of my
modalities.
So nine is about completion.
Yeah.
It's.

(01:12:36):
So 10 is complete and then thecycle continues and you go back
to one, nine is that energy ofbringing it all together.
So for me, nine is a containerof everything that's come before
it's held in the container.
And then in any relationship, inany connection, there's always
growth or there should be needsto be.
And so the next.

(01:12:57):
Phase of growth resets the cycleto one, and then you bring back
in the energy of one into therelationship in whatever way
that it does that.
So I love that aspect, but Iactually, I just opened it to
this card.

Oh, you did not.
That's amazing.

I did.
I know you can't make thisstuff.
You can't with Oracle or Tarot.
It's just, so then, then there'sa deeper message.
I take the reader more into whatwas happening in that moment.
So I say this brick heart satfor a month in, okay, it wasn't
just one day, sat for a month inthe elements before I moved it.
When I discovered that it hadleft a twin of itself in an

(01:13:33):
outline, I instantly thought ofthe yin yang symbol and its
representation of harmony.
Finding harmony in yourrelationships can be
challenging.
Sometimes the purpose of arelationship is not to find
harmony, but rather toexperience a shakeup of your set
way of thinking about howrelationships should be.
You cross paths with each otherfor many reasons.

(01:13:54):
Always reflecting part ofyourself in the other.
Sometimes that reflection is ofyour soulmate, that personal
energy with whom you have beenin relationship in previous
lives.
When you feel a deep connectionwith someone, explore it.
Be prepared, however, that itmay not look like how you expect
it should.
Ooh.
Yeah.

(01:14:15):
And so from there, You, as theperson who's reading this, you
as the quester or the seeker,you, you sit with the messaging,
you sit with the channeling andyou allow whatever aspect of it
that resonates for you toresonate for you.
You don't have to take the wholemessage.
There may just be one word inthere that's really, really

(01:14:35):
profound for you in that moment.
And then you just move into yourday or where, whenever it is
you're doing the reading foryourself, you just, you know,
just let that permeate.
It becomes a theme for the day.
And because you're aware of it.
You're going to see thingsthings are going to show up
people are going to come intoyour into your day or into your
week, and you're going to havean awareness of them that you

(01:14:57):
wouldn't have necessarily hadbefore because you weren't in
the energy of twin hearts butnow you are.
And so now you.
You start to see, it's like whatwe focus on.
We see, which makes perfectsense.
And I

love the, uh, aspect or the, um, what you're
offering with the Oracle deck isa journal and a pen and a
bookmark, because it'sencouraging us to know.
It's not just the Oracle deck,you know, allow yourself to feel
into these cards and to, likeyou said, jot down some, some

(01:15:30):
thoughts and feelings that youhad, uh, That you were having
that day or that week.
Sometimes we don't need to keeppulling cards day after day
after day.
I mean, one card a week is, itcan be enough because that can
make it a more rich experience.

Absolutely.
Yeah.
And when I teach on show, I dochakra work as well.
And so when I teach my chakracourses, we spend a week in each
chakra for 13 weeks.
So within that week, we'replaying with the color of that
chakra, we're playing with themessaging of that chakra, we're
looking at where in our body isthat chakra, and so we're

(01:16:09):
focusing in, so let's say it'sthe heart chakra, then we spend
that whole week really thinkingabout our heart and doing things
that help our heart be healthyand You know, eating right, or
journaling about our heart,releasing some old heart pain,
and we work with it in thatimmersive way.
And you can do the same thing,of course, with oracle cards.
You could even do it for amonth, and that would be really,

(01:16:30):
that would be the Buddhist wayof working with it, or even a
year, some, in some Buddhisttraditions, you spend an entire
year on a chakra that, for ourculture, I don't know how
practical that is, but for somepeople that may be a perfect
way.
Well, it's a great

way to practice contemplation.
That's for sure.
Yeah.
Contemplation of especiallyhaving, having these cards be
amuse.
I, I, again, I love working withthem.
It's encouraging me.
To get out side and to be openand aware of what's around me,

(01:17:07):
um, and to, to be curious aboutwhat I'm, what's in front of me,
I I've been seeing rabbits morelately.
You're you're really, the, thecards are really encouraging me
to go out more and, uh, and Ijust love that there's, there
are many layers to these cardsand I, um, And I want to really

(01:17:31):
start thinking about takingpictures of what I see, you
know, and just being with, with,uh, the gifts of, of, um,
whether it's the universe or howI'm being led to that, um, that
symbol, I think it's, it's veryencouraging.
So thank you.
You're welcome.
And thank you

for spending time with us.
Thank you for having me.
This has been such a funconversation.
It's

been so fun.
And I, I, I don't want to end.
But I know that we have to wrapup our time.
So please let everyone know howthey can find you and, um, and
what you're

offering.
Thank you.
Well, I am back on Facebook andI am back on LinkedIn.
So you can find me there, uh,under Megan Edge Healing.
I also have a YouTube channel.
Yeah, I have a YouTube channelthat I'm reactivating now and
you'll find there's over 300 orso videos, workshops, public
speaking that I've done, classesthat I, that I offer, uh, my

(01:18:29):
radio show, which again, Istepped away from a year and a
half ago, but there's about 50episodes.
This was a radio program that Idid through Transformation Talk
Radio with Pat Bocelli, who isthe host of Transformation Talk
Radio called Playing on theEdge.
And each month we looked at adifferent aspect of.
of healing and being in theworld, um, and being edgy about

(01:18:52):
it, you know, taking things tothe limit.
So those are really fun.
And those are all video radioshows.
So you can hear them as podcastsin lots of different places, or
you can actually watch us as weare interacting with each other,
like you and I are doing here.
Uh, so there's, so that'sanother way that you can see the
work that I do and, and engagewith it.
And then there's the newwebsite, which is, as you said,

(01:19:13):
meganedge.
ca.
And that's evolving, so there'llbe new, new things there.
And you can also find me now onLearn It Live.
Which is a teaching platformwhere instructors and teachers
like myself can provide livetraining and also recorded
trainings.
And I have an upcoming coursecalled the eight power steps of

(01:19:33):
becoming a master manifester.
And that's a great

course for the

new year.
Yes.
Yeah.
I love, I love running thiscourse in the new year.
We start, we're starting inFebruary.
And you, if you're a member ofLearn It Live, there's a
discount, or you can come onboard as a guest and pay the
full amount.
It's very reasonable.
You're basically paying 10 aclass, and these are live
classes.
There's a manual that I'vewritten that goes with it.
You get a chapter each class.

(01:19:59):
You get your homework to do asyou move through these eight
steps of, of, Healing, basicallyhealing your money wounds,
healing your manifesting wounds,and really being able to step
into how to, how to create thethings that you want in your
life and letting that be whatyou lead with as you go through

(01:20:20):
your life.
And it's all ties in withintuition because it's really
about listening to what youneed, taking guided action.
Experience in the results of it.
Oh, this is a live class.
So we're going to be creatingcommunity and sharing our
experiences with that class andwith the things that we're that
we're dealing with as we gothrough each of the steps.

Oh, that's a wonderful offering.
Oh, I just love it.
I just love it.
And one thing that I would loveto close.
With is a channeling that Inormally do in the beginning,
but I think it's, it's a nicetime to, to share it now.
And this is from a spirit guidethat I have.

(01:21:01):
That's a kind of like atrickster.
He always comes to me in acostume.
He always shows up when I'm in abad mood and it annoys me, but
it may, but he makes me laugheventually.
Yeah.
I checked in with my spiritguys.
I'm like, who would like to.
To work with me and, and share amessage.
And he came up and I was like,really?

(01:21:22):
And he had this funny costumeon.
I'm a serious person and he justalways makes me laugh and we
have a fun time.
So this is the message that heis imparting to us.
Megan edge is a seeker.
So many of you who are listeningtoday, seeking joy and wisdom

(01:21:44):
through the heart, finding waysto gather the courage and
strength to look within thisspace of loving, to unlock the
mysteries it holds.
Mysteries when unlocked allowgrace to beat in your heart.
Seeking is not the hard part,however, it is finding joy in

(01:22:06):
the journey.
That allows you to know who youare relative to this heart space
of ever growing awareness andawareness of self and other.
We ask that you find the courageto not only look into your
heart, feeling the emotions itcarries and emotes, but living

(01:22:29):
this experience of heartfeltawareness.
Living your feelings will help,you know, your heart in the
truest sense, be bold, live withfeeling and the awareness you
seek will come to you with theease that you desire.
We

love you.
Be bold.
Be bold.
Bye.
I love that.
That's amazing.
And I love that it came in atthe end of our conversation
rather than at the beginning.
Yeah.
It ties.
It brings it all together.
So Thank you to that tricksterfor his.
Oh, yes.

And I love that he said, be bold because I
believe that that's the energythat you are offering us.
Yes.
It's to be bold and havecourage.
So thank you for all that you'reoffering the world.
Thank you.
I had a wonderful time, Megan,me as well.
Yes.
So everyone, much love.

(01:23:31):
Have a great day and we will beback next week.
Take care.

Bye everyone.
Bye.

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