February 28, 2024 • 33 mins
Renee Baribeau, shamanic healer, teacher, author, and wind-whisper, joins us this week to inspire us to develop a relationship with the wind to deepen our self-awareness, promote healing, and cut through illusions that keep us from seeing and accessing our truth. Noticing a subtle shift in the wind and how it inspires us is nothing short of a miracle.
I highly encourage you to purchase the soft copy or download the audible version of her book, The Winds of Spirit: Ancient Wisdom Tools for Navigating Relationships, Health, and the Divine. You can learn more about Renee Baribeau and her offerings at www.thepracticalshaman.com
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Renee Baribeau is a Nautilus Gold Award winning Hay House author of Winds of Spirit: Ancient Wisdom Tools for Navigating Relationships, Health, and the Divine. She is a wind whistler, inspirational speaker, and workshop leader, known and respected for her down-to-earth approach. During her life, the wind gods have steered Renee’s recovery journey in many directions. A former chef, in 1987 she opened the first farm-to-table restaurant in Central New York, Brown Bagger’s, in Syracuse. In 2005, Renee established the Desert Holistic Network in Palm Desert, California, an online regional resource directory. Renee served as the Resident Shaman at We Care Spa in Desert Hot Springs. Since 2013, Renee has worked for Foundations Recovery Network, a national system of residential treatment facilities.
As a writer, Renee is a featured contributing blogger for Elephant Journal. Renee has also contributed chapters to the anthologies Pearls of Wisdom: 30 Inspirational Ideas to Live Your Best Life Now (Hierophant Publishing, 2012) and The Five Principles of Everything (Five Birds Publishing, 2012). She makes her home in the CA Desert, and Whidbey Island.
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Kristen O'Meara (00:00):
Hello, everyone, and welcome to
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Intuition Talks.
I am here today with the lovelyRene Barabao.
And we, before we get intointroductions, let's just start
with your wind whistling.
Renee Baribeau (00:15):
What do you think?
I think that's a great idea.
So I love it.
While we were starting, I pulleda card and for a wind spear card
and we have, this is gonna bethe nature of our talk today.
We have Oya, the the, the YubaWind Goddess of Transformation,
and it's about cutting throughdelusion.
So I think we're gonna have areally honest talk here today.
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So let's, let's whistle in Oyato be part of this conversation
for today.
Oh, I love
Kristen O'Meara (00:43):
it.
Thank you.
Renee Baribeau (00:46):
Invite everyone at home to close their eyes and
make sure your feet are groundedon the earth and deep, bring a
deep wind breath in all the waydown to the bottom of your
belly.
That's what connects us.
Hold it.
And as you exhale, let itrelease into the earth.
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And feel into that emptiness.
And now in the second windbreath, let's invite in Oya, the
woman who cuts through delusion,who helps us transform.
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And then release.
And we'll do one more windbreath in, and in this one we're
going to bring in the winds ofconnection, connects us all to
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one another, those who arelistening right now, and those
who will listen two years downthe road.
And when you're ready, open youreyes.
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Oh, I love that.
Kristen O'Meara (02:41):
Thank you.
So for everyone who islistening, I had a, a glitchy
moment of trying to figure outmy camera.
And when you were talking aboutcutting through delusions, cause
I spent a good, what, 15 minutesor so trying to figure that out.
And having you hold on.
And one thing that was racingthrough my mind is, Oh, it's
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just not going to work today.
Oh, you know, maybe thisconversation isn't meant to be.
And oftentimes the delusionsthat we need to, to face perhaps
and, and work through or cutthrough or ones of our own
making and not allowing perhapsthe, the opening of a
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possibility that, that there'ssomething else that could happen
to shift.
To create that shift.
And even when I was logging intoLogitech and it kept telling me
that I hadn't activated my emailand it was just such a one thing
after another, I, there was alittle bit, not much though, but
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a little bit of, there's apossibility that this still can
happen, that our conversationwill take place.
But I did feel more of anegative kind of a delusion
because it's really just aperception that's not real.
Mm hmm.
A lot of cases.
Renee Baribeau (04:07):
It's funny, um, because Oya came really strong
at the end with a messagesaying, you know, like, like
charged in on her water buffalosaying, listen, ladies, and that
she didn't mean just us, butlisten, ladies, we need you and
we need you to know that it'snot going to be easy.
Yeah, that that you're going toneed that sword to cut through
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the delusion that's, you know,causing these cobwebs in our
ideological, ideological cellsand what's going on in the
world.
And don't take the distractionor the, you know, the, the delay
as an indicator of, this is notwhere I'm supposed to be
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heading.
You know, we're so used to likesaying, oh, if the door's open
wide, I'm going to walk through,but their doors are like
slamming right now.
And it's time to push them backopen and say, no, I'm not taking
a closed door for an answer.
Absolutely.
And to know when.
And to know when that's, youknow, makes sense.
Kristen O'Meara (05:14):
And also too, we need each other in a, in a
lot of ways.
So one delusion that I'm workingthrough, which I feel like is,
is really breaking open andapart for me, is that I can do
everything on my own and I don'tneed help because I've, I'm a,
you know, a survivor, like a lotof us and have been, um, doing a
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lot of stuff on my own as asingle mom.
And here you are, Renee, youhung on and you said, no, check
this setting, do this and dothat.
And, and we also need to believethat the people are.
Opening or holding those doorsopen for us to that.
We don't have to be alone
Renee Baribeau (05:56):
in cutting our delusion.
And what the listeners don'tknow is last week when I logged
on to come to, you know, this,my computer crashed.
Yeah.
You know, I had a spiritualteacher once tell me sometimes
the, the, there's always acounter wind when something big
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is about to happen.
So we think like, again, thatthe doorway and the wind should
blow us through to where we'regoing, but there's always this
counterbalance of, is this forme?
Is this for now?
How much do I want it?
All of those things.
And so I think, I think we'reinto like a bumpy ride and.
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We're not going to just be ableto rely upon the old belief
systems to get us throughbecause what did Einstein say,
you know, sometimes we need neweyes for, you know, a new set of
circumstances.
And I think that we're needingto shift our own brain to what
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matters, what's important, andhow do I proceed ahead with
caution?
And, and being a single mom isa, is a hard thing.
It's not You know, I'm sure kidsare coming in with their own set
of circumstances at this time.
Kristen O'Meara (07:11):
Oh, sure.
Sure.
Well, I think this is a greattime right now to introduce you.
I can really just talk, youknow, the whole time and not,
not do this introduction, but Ijust want to make sure everyone,
and I'm sure a lot of peopleknow who you are.
You are very well known shamanichealer and teacher and You are
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also, you're doing so much,you've been doing this work for
decades and we're going to getinto more of the meat of what
you do.
So folks can join you, um,online, or in person, or one on
one, however that works.
You're also the co host of theshaman's cave podcast, and
that's how I found you, mylovely friend, Tina.
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I have been hooked ever since Ilove, love, love the podcast.
I reached out to you and then Itold you I was going to read
your book.
Well, I, I bought your book andI'm an ice.
Yes, but I'll tell you, I don'tknow if it's some, it's not the
mirror image I have to fix mycamera because it's new people.
No, no, it looks right on thecamera.
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Oh, does.
Oh, good.
Of spirit, ancient wisdom toolsfor navigating relationships,
health, and the divine.
What I did Renee is I also gotthe audio because I really
wanted to be outside.
When I listened to your book,the, the weather's been kind of,
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you know, cold, rainy, sunny,calm.
And here in Northern California,and fortunately the weekend that
I chose, which I had the weekendfree to do whatever I wanted.
And I got the audio, which thenarration is wonderful.
Wonderful.
Oh, I loved his, I love hisvoice.
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I know
Renee Baribeau (09:05):
me too.
Listen to about 200 of voicesbefore we picked him.
Oh,
Kristen O'Meara (09:10):
And I noticed that on your website that you
honored him wonderful voice andI chose the arboretum and Davis
where I live.
It's a beautiful arboretum.
And I just told myself, I reallywant to be outside.
I want to feel the air.
I'm hoping that wind will comeand go, but I didn't want any
expectations.
So I just did this wonderfulwalk around the Arboretum that I
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found a beautiful bench to sit.
And then I found an Oak treethat I wanted to be with.
And I just, I just had to beoutside.
So if any of you have theopportunity to be outside.
Whether you're reading the bookor listening to it, please do it
because it opens your mind andyour heart to the atmosphere, to
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the wind.
It brings everything that you'resaying to life.
At least it did for me.
So thank you.
I love that.
It was wonderful.
There's so many things that Iwant to touch on.
One thing that I noticed, orlist or heard that you mentioned
on your podcast is your, Ibelieve it was right before you
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wrote this book.
And you're like, Oh my gosh, thewind, a lot of people don't like
the wind.
And, and that's so interestingbecause.
The wind does shake things up.
And when I think about the windand I think about what you
wrote, so much of it reminds meof the unknown and the healing
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journey that We take when we'rereally stuck for whatever
reason, folks who've listened tome before.
And I know that we're justtalking for the first time, but
I've had a history of substanceabuse.
I've survived several traumaticevents.
I have a child with autism.
I've been on several healingjourneys.
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The.
Most important thing I think fora healing journey is what you
mentioned over and over in yourbook is to create awareness.
And I'm going to let you talkmore after this, but what I love
about the wind is that creatingan awareness of our Connection
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with the wind, with the breath,like you mentioned in the book,
and also being aware of ourinner winds and working with the
outer winds.
There's such a relationship ofdeveloping awareness and it's,
it's as simple, but as, ascomplex as that on our journey.
Renee Baribeau (11:44):
It's true.
It doesn't get any simpler.
I always tell people, if you'relistening to this conversation,
your perception of the wind willbe forever changed.
Yes.
And that's the guarantee isthat, you know, the wind kind of
got usurped, you know, thousandsof years ago, all of a sudden.
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The wind, which was, you know,on the native tongue of so many
tribes, you know, cultures ofpeople, clans, people who spoke
the same language, they all hadtheir wind and their
relationship with the wind.
And then all of a sudden we tryto organize this invisible force
of nature into Holy Spirit andRuach and Nirvana and, you know,
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Aum.
They're all interpretations ofwhat is invisible, what is
nature, and what is wind.
I think over time, you know,we've gotten complacent with
those other definitions, and nowwe've gotten complacent about
not, not aligning ourselves withthose other definitions when we
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desperately are seekingsomething and we need something
right now.
And so why not go back outsideand begin your direct experience
with the wind, the invisibleforce of nature that is bigger,
invisible, and can really helpyou navigate through these.
You know, challenging times thatwe're in.
Kristen O'Meara (13:11):
Yes.
And you mentioned in the bookthat without wind, there would
be no life, there would be nolife.
So when I, when I hear you saythe Holy Spirit and, and OM and
the other, um, ways that we'vecategorized this, this, um, life
giving energy.
It, it reminds me of the humanmind and kind of what you're
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going, uh, what you're speakingabout with delusion.
We can categorize things to tryto make sense of them, but what
if we just tried to justdissolve some of our ideas of,
of what we think or perceive?
Say the wind to be.
And what I loved is a story thatyou shared in the book about the
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boy who, and I can't rememberexactly what tribe, but the boy
who wanted to control the wind,he trapped an eagle.
Renee Baribeau (14:07):
That's in a lot of different traditions, but
that one in
Kristen O'Meara (14:10):
particular was really great.
Oh, I'm sorry to interrupt you.
Can you share a little bit aboutthat?
Because I think that's so commonwhen we feel that there's some
chaos or there's some wind andwe want to control and, and.
And, uh, force.
Renee Baribeau (14:25):
I love that you picked that story.
So the, the little boy, there'sso many stories about, you know,
people trying to control thewind, but this one is
particularly good where, youknow, he takes the wind bird
and, you know, he kind of likehe tries and tries.
And so finally, it takes thewind bird and, you know, shoves
it in a crack in the rock sothat.
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You know, it doesn't move and itdoesn't, it doesn't move
anything.
And all of a sudden, all of asudden, you know, the scum goes
over the pond that he wants tofish in, you know, they're the
crops start to die.
You know, the planet starts toheat up and on unbelievable way.
And he has to hike back up themountain to take the Windberg
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back out of the rock.
And it just, I think it justreally goes to the point of how
in our, in our lives we try tocontrol everything, including
nature.
Kristen O'Meara (15:19):
Yes.
Yes.
It's so true.
So recognizing that wind insideof us, and I did that when I was
listening to your book, I wasaware of my breath and thinking,
wow, I've spent so many years.
working on grounding myself inmy body and aware of my breath,
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but I was more aware of, I thinkthe techniques that I was using
and not so much connecting mybreath with The air outside and,
and I think it's, it's such anincredible gift that you're
giving us because it's linkingus to nature and in such a
profound way, we can say that,yes, we're a part of nature, you
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know, the trees and the rocks.
And we have those same elementswithin us.
And even the stars, we have theelement of the stars inside of
us, but the simple practice of.
Breathing and thinking, gosh,and you use such a great example
in the book that that are inhaleand exhale of our breath will
circulate all over the world andit will touch everyone.
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So having these, these thoughts,these beautiful thoughts to open
our mind.
Is also another way to cut somany delusions or illusions that
we're alone because we're not.
Renee Baribeau (16:39):
I think we forgot that we are nature.
We're not like, we're not aseparate, you know, weed over
here growing.
We are, we are in the matrix of,of nature and, and there's the
fact that the wind does travelaround the planet and that this
is a closed universe that.
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The same wind that's been herefor four and a half billion
years is still here informingus.
And I like to say that, youknow, the, these people who
spoke the same language neededdifferent wind qualities in
order to survive.
And so it's not that therewasn't one aspect of wind wasn't
blowing here or not, but if Ilive in the desert, You know, I,
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I get a certain wind to clearthe air.
There's, you know, other winds.
Uh, if people live by the sideof a cave, you know, there's,
there's winds that come out fromthe caves.
I mean, it's just a matter ofthe air that's moving throughout
our lives and us becoming moreand more at peace with it and
aware of it.
Yes.
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I was reading just recently, um,Adam Grant, my editor told me in
Maria's book, um, he talks aboutthe story about how There was
some big forest fire years agoand the parachute jumpers jumped
out and we're going to put out,you know, the fire and it was a
place in our lives where welearned to start to manage and
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control fire and fire needed forus needs the fire.
To to clear the path to clearthe way.
And you know, we've made fire afoe as well.
And in fire really is whatclears out a forest for new
growth and new license for seedsto grow.
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And yet.
We've overpopulated these areas.
And so fires now become theenemy when actually if we were
living more in harmony with thenature, there'd be more
spaciousness for the fires thatneed to burn as well.
Kristen O'Meara (18:39):
That's so interesting.
So letting the natural forceslike the wind be.
But when, like what you said,when there's overpopulation,
there are too many people,houses are right there when
really there should be acres offorest, then it's a matter again
of trying to control.
Renee Baribeau (19:00):
Right.
And so it's the same, it's thesame element, you know, it's the
same thing.
It, and yet we'd like to blamethe wind and the fire for all of
our woes when actually it'shumans that came in and.
Overpopulated and put things tooclose together and did not
consider the nature at all whenthey were, um, you know,
designing these cities and townsand villages.
Kristen O'Meara (19:22):
That's so true.
One thing that I was struck bywith your book.
Is when we're aware of a changein our life, or we're aware that
we're, um, needing to make achange, I should say, how can we
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use the wind to help guide us.
What are, what's yourperspective?
Renee Baribeau (19:52):
There was just a moment of no wind in my life
where all of a sudden I gotfrozen.
And I, that's, that's aninformative space too.
So I'm happier now that, thatI'm moving again and taking
daily wind walks.
And when I take a wind walk.
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You know, I get, I get informedand I think we've been looking
for, we've been looking foresoteric information instead of
how to turn right instead ofleft and, you know, uh, last
week I had a silly incidentwhere I tripped up the stairs at
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the mall and, and I had justgotten these new glasses.
And the woman up above them,sitting on the top, it was like
no one else was there, it waslike this back staircase, she
said to me, Are you okay?
I said, yeah, I got these newglasses, and they're like, I go,
I go, this is the second timethis year I've fallen.
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And she looks at me, she goes,well, you know, I work at
LensCrafters right in there.
And she said, you know, butthat's, we, we overlooked those,
those situations where, youknow, the nature speaking to us
in a way that we weren'tlistening.
Right.
And, and, and she goes, youknow, you might not be good for
progressive glasses.
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Has it ever occurred to you thatyou should have a pair for long
and a pair for short?
She said, because we don't wantyou to get hurt.
And so, but like, you know,we're like always looking for,
you know, the answers.
Yes.
Here I am running up a set ofstairs.
Cause you know, that's how Ilike to get some exercise and
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get moving and I get the answer.
And so the thing that it's notso much those always those
profound answers, but it's theeveryday answers that come
always.
In the wind because that's whenthe wind she spoke in her voice
came over the wind to me.
Yeah.
And I heard it right in thatmoment and said, Oh yeah, that's
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I think you're
Kristen O'Meara (22:04):
right.
And you know, that is what you,you teach in your book.
And that's what.
There's so many, there's so manythings about this book,
everyone, please, please, pleaseget it.
What I took from it, or one ofthe many things I took from it
was that it's more simple thanwe realize.
And that that subtle shift inawareness is a miracle.
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And I know that is used over andover, but I had the most
profound memory when I wasreading your, when I was
listening to your book, it was amemory of getting lost as a
child.
And I grew up on a little islandoff the coast of Georgia, and we
spent a lot of time at thebeach, and I remembered.
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Getting lost.
But what it was happeningthough, is I wanted to move away
from the party and I wanted toexplore.
I wanted to be on my own and Iwas about five years old and I
just was so happy just walkingalong the beach and just being
by myself and exploring.
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I remember there were moreadults than kids and I wanted to
explore and I spent a lot oftime exploring more than I
realized because time justwasn't a factor in my
experience.
And then at one point I realizedI was lost and I couldn't get
back to the party.
And eventually an adult found meand brought me back.
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But.
What was significant about thatmemory is that I linked it with
the wind and I thought because Ihad gotten lost quite a few
times as a child because Iwanted to wander.
I wanted to explore.
One thing that I took from thatwas that letting the wind carry
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me.
And not being afraid of gettinglost because being getting lost
several times in my life as achild, I got afraid to explore.
I got afraid to get lost as anadult.
Do you know what I'm saying?
So, I was Linking it to the windand thinking, you know, it's
okay for me to get outside ofthe boundaries.
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It's okay to explore.
It's okay to allow the wind totake me where I need to go or
want to go.
I'm not five years old anymore.
I can find my way back becausewe can let the wind carry us.
And that's a funny thing.
It's a, it's a tricky thing totrust something that we can't
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control.
Renee Baribeau (24:43):
And, and another thing for you who likes to go
off wind walking and, and gointo a place, you could start to
navigate.
Where the winds are blowing fromin your life, so see, sailors
navigate from their ownwheelhouse.
They have their own, you know,they have their own wheel, their
own ship, and so we all navigatefrom our own wheelhouse.
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So the winds that blow from acertain direction for you might
be a really good guidance toyou.
Oh yeah, let me just walk intothat wind because I know that
that wind blows from my housethis way.
Yeah.
Or that wind comes, you know, sothat you can actually You know,
that's how people learned how tonavigate and there's no small
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wonder that, you know, thecardinal wind points are how
human beings from the get gohave organized their consensual
reality.
They've learned to understandthe winds that are blowing in
their own.
Landscape, and we've gotten sofar away from from our knowing
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our own landscape well enough toknow that there is no getting
lost when you know how tonavigate with ends.
Kristen O'Meara (25:54):
Yes.
And what a wonderful map yougive us what a wonderful guide
to.
As like a template because so Ithink so many of us are because
we haven't been taught how toheal ourselves or we haven't
been taught how to navigate bigchange or go through grief.
What a wonderful opportunity toto connect with the wind and
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use.
The, the metaphor and thereality as a guide to, to help
trust ourselves is a big thingthat I'm getting from the book
is learning how to trust, inourselves and in the, the life
that we're living, which can ebband flow.
Renee Baribeau (26:37):
We have a motto over at the wind clan on
Facebook that says in winds wetrust, because you know, it's
like if spirit.
Was the wind then adapted intothe words of, you know, Holy
Spirit and all of that, youknow, and we're trusting in this
God, what, what better way oftrusting in nature and trusting
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in the wind because that is theconstant that's been on this
earth for four and a halfbillion years.
If you look at every singlecreation story, the wind has its
hand in it.
There's not, you know, there'snot one that I found whether.
You know, it's a chaos story or,uh, you know, an, uh, an
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oppositional force, the wind isthere and, you know, we, we
learned, we just, we just tookit away from the, the nature.
That's
Kristen O'Meara (27:29):
right.
That's right.
So connecting, connecting withnature and, and allowing,
allowing ourselves to be.
With all of it, with all of it,the wind, the earth, well, it's
just been, it's been such a, anincredible gift and I, I really
appreciate your time talkingwith me today.
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And I want to hear what youhave, that you're cooking as far
as, what folks can, learn as faras the wind and wind work.
How can people find you and whatare you offering?
Renee Baribeau (28:06):
So you can find me over at The Practical Shaman
and ThePracticalShaman.
com and also on Facebook there'sThe Practical Shaman and there's
also a private group called TheWind Clan and of course The
Shaman's Cave is every otherweek with Sandra Ingraman and
we're in year six and that's,that's its own windy adventure
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and The, um, this spring I'mgoing to be teaching for the
College of Psychic Studies fromLondon and it's going to,
they're going to be eveningclasses, three hours.
I'm very excited about it.
Three hour classes so you canget a real, you know, a real
good exploration into shamanicwind work.
I'm one of them.
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Oh, I'm
Kristen O'Meara (28:47):
going to do that for me.
Renee Baribeau (28:49):
I'm going to do that.
I'm going to do that.
Yeah.
That's great.
I've decided that I wanted tojust put my energy towards
promoting those classes withthem this, this spring, because
I've been in this real, I'vebeen working on a new book for
two years.
And then all of a sudden when I,this is how if you've ever
written a book, you know, oryou're starting to write a book
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that it's always something otherthan what you think.
And so I'm writing a book calledThe Practical Shaman, which is
going to be great.
But then in the middle of it,the wind spirit cards started to
be revealing themselves to me.
And I had waited for six years.
I had tried several artists.
I just couldn't get the drawingsright.
And then all of a sudden Istarted this exploration with
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um, AI.
Oh! And people said, but that'snot real art, Renan.
And they're like, well I don'tknow.
I'm a real artist and I'm havinga grand old time with this, but
I'm reading it, the informationfrom my book.
Yeah.
It's coming out with theseimages that students and
everyone are relating to morethan like, like sometimes we'll
get some and they'll say, yeah,yeah.
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Really?
And then I'll people say, no, Ididn't relate to that.
But these are like consistently,they're re expressing it in a
way that I want to express itin.
And so I'm very excited.
It's taking me down to learn,meet some new winds and some new
intensities and all of that.
And so I suspect by fall, I'llhave a deck of wind spirit cards
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out.
We have the wind spirit cards,the little ones that come with
the wind whistlers toolkits.
But this is like, this is goingto be a visual story so that you
can really relate it more to
Kristen O'Meara (30:24):
your lives.
Oh, I love that.
I love using cards.
And one thing that I do want tolearn and I'll learn it in your
class, but I highly recommendfolks to go to Renee's website.
I believe it's the practicalshaman.
Yes.
Um, you can get wind flag kitsand there's so many evergreen
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courses to take.
But I love the idea of learningto tie the knots, the wind knots
and creating your own wind flag,which I'm going to be doing
because what a wonderful way,just like listening to Renee's
book outside, what a wonderfulway to, to be in touch with the
wind by creating your own windflag.
Cause you're, you're inrelationship, you're developing
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a relationship with the wind.
And I love those practical toolsbecause we need those our mind
and our body and our senses.
We really, we feel like we, youknow, we learn so much when we
have those practical,
Renee Baribeau (31:21):
tools.
Yes.
In the, in my group, a lot of uspull cards for the year and, um,
they poke, we pull cards for theyear and we put them on the
flags and we, you know, we, it'sreally exciting.
So I
Kristen O'Meara (31:36):
love that.
Well, Renee, hang on, because Itold you I have A gift for you.
Folks are usually, um, expectinga channeling.
When my son was nonverbal, Iunexpectedly learned how to
channel his higher self.
And that's been a journey that'sbeen about 10 years now.
(31:57):
But I have a channeling that I'mnot going to share publicly
because it's private and it'sjust Renee.
So Renee, hang on and thank youeveryone for joining us.
Thank you, Renee and much love.
Hello, everyone, and welcome to
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Intuition Talks.
I am here today with the lovelyRene Barabao.
And we, before we get intointroductions, let's just start
with your wind whistling.
Renee Baribeau (00:15):
What do you think?
I think that's a great idea.
So I love it.
While we were starting, I pulleda card and for a wind spear card
and we have, this is gonna bethe nature of our talk today.
We have Oya, the the, the YubaWind Goddess of Transformation,
and it's about cutting throughdelusion.
So I think we're gonna have areally honest talk here today.
(00:37):
So let's, let's whistle in Oyato be part of this conversation
for today.
Oh, I love
Kristen O'Meara (00:43):
it.
Thank you.
Renee Baribeau (00:46):
Invite everyone at home to close their eyes and
make sure your feet are groundedon the earth and deep, bring a
deep wind breath in all the waydown to the bottom of your
belly.
That's what connects us.
Hold it.
And as you exhale, let itrelease into the earth.
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And feel into that emptiness.
And now in the second windbreath, let's invite in Oya, the
woman who cuts through delusion,who helps us transform.
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And then release.
And we'll do one more windbreath in, and in this one we're
going to bring in the winds ofconnection, connects us all to
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one another, those who arelistening right now, and those
who will listen two years downthe road.
And when you're ready, open youreyes.
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Oh, I love that.
Kristen O'Meara (02:41):
Thank you.
So for everyone who islistening, I had a, a glitchy
moment of trying to figure outmy camera.
And when you were talking aboutcutting through delusions, cause
I spent a good, what, 15 minutesor so trying to figure that out.
And having you hold on.
And one thing that was racingthrough my mind is, Oh, it's
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just not going to work today.
Oh, you know, maybe thisconversation isn't meant to be.
And oftentimes the delusionsthat we need to, to face perhaps
and, and work through or cutthrough or ones of our own
making and not allowing perhapsthe, the opening of a
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possibility that, that there'ssomething else that could happen
to shift.
To create that shift.
And even when I was logging intoLogitech and it kept telling me
that I hadn't activated my emailand it was just such a one thing
after another, I, there was alittle bit, not much though, but
(03:49):
a little bit of, there's apossibility that this still can
happen, that our conversationwill take place.
But I did feel more of anegative kind of a delusion
because it's really just aperception that's not real.
Mm hmm.
A lot of cases.
Renee Baribeau (04:07):
It's funny, um, because Oya came really strong
at the end with a messagesaying, you know, like, like
charged in on her water buffalosaying, listen, ladies, and that
she didn't mean just us, butlisten, ladies, we need you and
we need you to know that it'snot going to be easy.
Yeah, that that you're going toneed that sword to cut through
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the delusion that's, you know,causing these cobwebs in our
ideological, ideological cellsand what's going on in the
world.
And don't take the distractionor the, you know, the, the delay
as an indicator of, this is notwhere I'm supposed to be
(04:54):
heading.
You know, we're so used to likesaying, oh, if the door's open
wide, I'm going to walk through,but their doors are like
slamming right now.
And it's time to push them backopen and say, no, I'm not taking
a closed door for an answer.
Absolutely.
And to know when.
And to know when that's, youknow, makes sense.
Kristen O'Meara (05:14):
And also too, we need each other in a, in a
lot of ways.
So one delusion that I'm workingthrough, which I feel like is,
is really breaking open andapart for me, is that I can do
everything on my own and I don'tneed help because I've, I'm a,
you know, a survivor, like a lotof us and have been, um, doing a
(05:37):
lot of stuff on my own as asingle mom.
And here you are, Renee, youhung on and you said, no, check
this setting, do this and dothat.
And, and we also need to believethat the people are.
Opening or holding those doorsopen for us to that.
We don't have to be alone
Renee Baribeau (05:56):
in cutting our delusion.
And what the listeners don'tknow is last week when I logged
on to come to, you know, this,my computer crashed.
Yeah.
You know, I had a spiritualteacher once tell me sometimes
the, the, there's always acounter wind when something big
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is about to happen.
So we think like, again, thatthe doorway and the wind should
blow us through to where we'regoing, but there's always this
counterbalance of, is this forme?
Is this for now?
How much do I want it?
All of those things.
And so I think, I think we'reinto like a bumpy ride and.
(06:37):
We're not going to just be ableto rely upon the old belief
systems to get us throughbecause what did Einstein say,
you know, sometimes we need neweyes for, you know, a new set of
circumstances.
And I think that we're needingto shift our own brain to what
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matters, what's important, andhow do I proceed ahead with
caution?
And, and being a single mom isa, is a hard thing.
It's not You know, I'm sure kidsare coming in with their own set
of circumstances at this time.
Kristen O'Meara (07:11):
Oh, sure.
Sure.
Well, I think this is a greattime right now to introduce you.
I can really just talk, youknow, the whole time and not,
not do this introduction, but Ijust want to make sure everyone,
and I'm sure a lot of peopleknow who you are.
You are very well known shamanichealer and teacher and You are
(07:36):
also, you're doing so much,you've been doing this work for
decades and we're going to getinto more of the meat of what
you do.
So folks can join you, um,online, or in person, or one on
one, however that works.
You're also the co host of theshaman's cave podcast, and
that's how I found you, mylovely friend, Tina.
(08:00):
I have been hooked ever since Ilove, love, love the podcast.
I reached out to you and then Itold you I was going to read
your book.
Well, I, I bought your book andI'm an ice.
Yes, but I'll tell you, I don'tknow if it's some, it's not the
mirror image I have to fix mycamera because it's new people.
No, no, it looks right on thecamera.
(08:21):
Oh, does.
Oh, good.
Of spirit, ancient wisdom toolsfor navigating relationships,
health, and the divine.
What I did Renee is I also gotthe audio because I really
wanted to be outside.
When I listened to your book,the, the weather's been kind of,
(08:44):
you know, cold, rainy, sunny,calm.
And here in Northern California,and fortunately the weekend that
I chose, which I had the weekendfree to do whatever I wanted.
And I got the audio, which thenarration is wonderful.
Wonderful.
Oh, I loved his, I love hisvoice.
(09:05):
I know
Renee Baribeau (09:05):
me too.
Listen to about 200 of voicesbefore we picked him.
Oh,
Kristen O'Meara (09:10):
And I noticed that on your website that you
honored him wonderful voice andI chose the arboretum and Davis
where I live.
It's a beautiful arboretum.
And I just told myself, I reallywant to be outside.
I want to feel the air.
I'm hoping that wind will comeand go, but I didn't want any
expectations.
So I just did this wonderfulwalk around the Arboretum that I
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found a beautiful bench to sit.
And then I found an Oak treethat I wanted to be with.
And I just, I just had to beoutside.
So if any of you have theopportunity to be outside.
Whether you're reading the bookor listening to it, please do it
because it opens your mind andyour heart to the atmosphere, to
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the wind.
It brings everything that you'resaying to life.
At least it did for me.
So thank you.
I love that.
It was wonderful.
There's so many things that Iwant to touch on.
One thing that I noticed, orlist or heard that you mentioned
on your podcast is your, Ibelieve it was right before you
(10:17):
wrote this book.
And you're like, Oh my gosh, thewind, a lot of people don't like
the wind.
And, and that's so interestingbecause.
The wind does shake things up.
And when I think about the windand I think about what you
wrote, so much of it reminds meof the unknown and the healing
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journey that We take when we'rereally stuck for whatever
reason, folks who've listened tome before.
And I know that we're justtalking for the first time, but
I've had a history of substanceabuse.
I've survived several traumaticevents.
I have a child with autism.
I've been on several healingjourneys.
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The.
Most important thing I think fora healing journey is what you
mentioned over and over in yourbook is to create awareness.
And I'm going to let you talkmore after this, but what I love
about the wind is that creatingan awareness of our Connection
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with the wind, with the breath,like you mentioned in the book,
and also being aware of ourinner winds and working with the
outer winds.
There's such a relationship ofdeveloping awareness and it's,
it's as simple, but as, ascomplex as that on our journey.
Renee Baribeau (11:44):
It's true.
It doesn't get any simpler.
I always tell people, if you'relistening to this conversation,
your perception of the wind willbe forever changed.
Yes.
And that's the guarantee isthat, you know, the wind kind of
got usurped, you know, thousandsof years ago, all of a sudden.
(12:05):
The wind, which was, you know,on the native tongue of so many
tribes, you know, cultures ofpeople, clans, people who spoke
the same language, they all hadtheir wind and their
relationship with the wind.
And then all of a sudden we tryto organize this invisible force
of nature into Holy Spirit andRuach and Nirvana and, you know,
(12:29):
Aum.
They're all interpretations ofwhat is invisible, what is
nature, and what is wind.
I think over time, you know,we've gotten complacent with
those other definitions, and nowwe've gotten complacent about
not, not aligning ourselves withthose other definitions when we
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desperately are seekingsomething and we need something
right now.
And so why not go back outsideand begin your direct experience
with the wind, the invisibleforce of nature that is bigger,
invisible, and can really helpyou navigate through these.
You know, challenging times thatwe're in.
Kristen O'Meara (13:11):
Yes.
And you mentioned in the bookthat without wind, there would
be no life, there would be nolife.
So when I, when I hear you saythe Holy Spirit and, and OM and
the other, um, ways that we'vecategorized this, this, um, life
giving energy.
It, it reminds me of the humanmind and kind of what you're
(13:35):
going, uh, what you're speakingabout with delusion.
We can categorize things to tryto make sense of them, but what
if we just tried to justdissolve some of our ideas of,
of what we think or perceive?
Say the wind to be.
And what I loved is a story thatyou shared in the book about the
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boy who, and I can't rememberexactly what tribe, but the boy
who wanted to control the wind,he trapped an eagle.
Renee Baribeau (14:07):
That's in a lot of different traditions, but
that one in
Kristen O'Meara (14:10):
particular was really great.
Oh, I'm sorry to interrupt you.
Can you share a little bit aboutthat?
Because I think that's so commonwhen we feel that there's some
chaos or there's some wind andwe want to control and, and.
And, uh, force.
Renee Baribeau (14:25):
I love that you picked that story.
So the, the little boy, there'sso many stories about, you know,
people trying to control thewind, but this one is
particularly good where, youknow, he takes the wind bird
and, you know, he kind of likehe tries and tries.
And so finally, it takes thewind bird and, you know, shoves
it in a crack in the rock sothat.
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You know, it doesn't move and itdoesn't, it doesn't move
anything.
And all of a sudden, all of asudden, you know, the scum goes
over the pond that he wants tofish in, you know, they're the
crops start to die.
You know, the planet starts toheat up and on unbelievable way.
And he has to hike back up themountain to take the Windberg
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back out of the rock.
And it just, I think it justreally goes to the point of how
in our, in our lives we try tocontrol everything, including
nature.
Kristen O'Meara (15:19):
Yes.
Yes.
It's so true.
So recognizing that wind insideof us, and I did that when I was
listening to your book, I wasaware of my breath and thinking,
wow, I've spent so many years.
working on grounding myself inmy body and aware of my breath,
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but I was more aware of, I thinkthe techniques that I was using
and not so much connecting mybreath with The air outside and,
and I think it's, it's such anincredible gift that you're
giving us because it's linkingus to nature and in such a
profound way, we can say that,yes, we're a part of nature, you
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know, the trees and the rocks.
And we have those same elementswithin us.
And even the stars, we have theelement of the stars inside of
us, but the simple practice of.
Breathing and thinking, gosh,and you use such a great example
in the book that that are inhaleand exhale of our breath will
circulate all over the world andit will touch everyone.
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So having these, these thoughts,these beautiful thoughts to open
our mind.
Is also another way to cut somany delusions or illusions that
we're alone because we're not.
Renee Baribeau (16:39):
I think we forgot that we are nature.
We're not like, we're not aseparate, you know, weed over
here growing.
We are, we are in the matrix of,of nature and, and there's the
fact that the wind does travelaround the planet and that this
is a closed universe that.
(16:59):
The same wind that's been herefor four and a half billion
years is still here informingus.
And I like to say that, youknow, the, these people who
spoke the same language neededdifferent wind qualities in
order to survive.
And so it's not that therewasn't one aspect of wind wasn't
blowing here or not, but if Ilive in the desert, You know, I,
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I get a certain wind to clearthe air.
There's, you know, other winds.
Uh, if people live by the sideof a cave, you know, there's,
there's winds that come out fromthe caves.
I mean, it's just a matter ofthe air that's moving throughout
our lives and us becoming moreand more at peace with it and
aware of it.
Yes.
(17:44):
I was reading just recently, um,Adam Grant, my editor told me in
Maria's book, um, he talks aboutthe story about how There was
some big forest fire years agoand the parachute jumpers jumped
out and we're going to put out,you know, the fire and it was a
place in our lives where welearned to start to manage and
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control fire and fire needed forus needs the fire.
To to clear the path to clearthe way.
And you know, we've made fire afoe as well.
And in fire really is whatclears out a forest for new
growth and new license for seedsto grow.
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And yet.
We've overpopulated these areas.
And so fires now become theenemy when actually if we were
living more in harmony with thenature, there'd be more
spaciousness for the fires thatneed to burn as well.
Kristen O'Meara (18:39):
That's so interesting.
So letting the natural forceslike the wind be.
But when, like what you said,when there's overpopulation,
there are too many people,houses are right there when
really there should be acres offorest, then it's a matter again
of trying to control.
Renee Baribeau (19:00):
Right.
And so it's the same, it's thesame element, you know, it's the
same thing.
It, and yet we'd like to blamethe wind and the fire for all of
our woes when actually it'shumans that came in and.
Overpopulated and put things tooclose together and did not
consider the nature at all whenthey were, um, you know,
designing these cities and townsand villages.
Kristen O'Meara (19:22):
That's so true.
One thing that I was struck bywith your book.
Is when we're aware of a changein our life, or we're aware that
we're, um, needing to make achange, I should say, how can we
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use the wind to help guide us.
What are, what's yourperspective?
Renee Baribeau (19:52):
There was just a moment of no wind in my life
where all of a sudden I gotfrozen.
And I, that's, that's aninformative space too.
So I'm happier now that, thatI'm moving again and taking
daily wind walks.
And when I take a wind walk.
(20:13):
You know, I get, I get informedand I think we've been looking
for, we've been looking foresoteric information instead of
how to turn right instead ofleft and, you know, uh, last
week I had a silly incidentwhere I tripped up the stairs at
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the mall and, and I had justgotten these new glasses.
And the woman up above them,sitting on the top, it was like
no one else was there, it waslike this back staircase, she
said to me, Are you okay?
I said, yeah, I got these newglasses, and they're like, I go,
I go, this is the second timethis year I've fallen.
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And she looks at me, she goes,well, you know, I work at
LensCrafters right in there.
And she said, you know, butthat's, we, we overlooked those,
those situations where, youknow, the nature speaking to us
in a way that we weren'tlistening.
Right.
And, and, and she goes, youknow, you might not be good for
progressive glasses.
(21:16):
Has it ever occurred to you thatyou should have a pair for long
and a pair for short?
She said, because we don't wantyou to get hurt.
And so, but like, you know,we're like always looking for,
you know, the answers.
Yes.
Here I am running up a set ofstairs.
Cause you know, that's how Ilike to get some exercise and
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get moving and I get the answer.
And so the thing that it's notso much those always those
profound answers, but it's theeveryday answers that come
always.
In the wind because that's whenthe wind she spoke in her voice
came over the wind to me.
Yeah.
And I heard it right in thatmoment and said, Oh yeah, that's
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I think you're
Kristen O'Meara (22:04):
right.
And you know, that is what you,you teach in your book.
And that's what.
There's so many, there's so manythings about this book,
everyone, please, please, pleaseget it.
What I took from it, or one ofthe many things I took from it
was that it's more simple thanwe realize.
And that that subtle shift inawareness is a miracle.
(22:28):
And I know that is used over andover, but I had the most
profound memory when I wasreading your, when I was
listening to your book, it was amemory of getting lost as a
child.
And I grew up on a little islandoff the coast of Georgia, and we
spent a lot of time at thebeach, and I remembered.
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Getting lost.
But what it was happeningthough, is I wanted to move away
from the party and I wanted toexplore.
I wanted to be on my own and Iwas about five years old and I
just was so happy just walkingalong the beach and just being
by myself and exploring.
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I remember there were moreadults than kids and I wanted to
explore and I spent a lot oftime exploring more than I
realized because time justwasn't a factor in my
experience.
And then at one point I realizedI was lost and I couldn't get
back to the party.
And eventually an adult found meand brought me back.
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But.
What was significant about thatmemory is that I linked it with
the wind and I thought because Ihad gotten lost quite a few
times as a child because Iwanted to wander.
I wanted to explore.
One thing that I took from thatwas that letting the wind carry
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me.
And not being afraid of gettinglost because being getting lost
several times in my life as achild, I got afraid to explore.
I got afraid to get lost as anadult.
Do you know what I'm saying?
So, I was Linking it to the windand thinking, you know, it's
okay for me to get outside ofthe boundaries.
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It's okay to explore.
It's okay to allow the wind totake me where I need to go or
want to go.
I'm not five years old anymore.
I can find my way back becausewe can let the wind carry us.
And that's a funny thing.
It's a, it's a tricky thing totrust something that we can't
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control.
Renee Baribeau (24:43):
And, and another thing for you who likes to go
off wind walking and, and gointo a place, you could start to
navigate.
Where the winds are blowing fromin your life, so see, sailors
navigate from their ownwheelhouse.
They have their own, you know,they have their own wheel, their
own ship, and so we all navigatefrom our own wheelhouse.
(25:03):
So the winds that blow from acertain direction for you might
be a really good guidance toyou.
Oh yeah, let me just walk intothat wind because I know that
that wind blows from my housethis way.
Yeah.
Or that wind comes, you know, sothat you can actually You know,
that's how people learned how tonavigate and there's no small
(25:26):
wonder that, you know, thecardinal wind points are how
human beings from the get gohave organized their consensual
reality.
They've learned to understandthe winds that are blowing in
their own.
Landscape, and we've gotten sofar away from from our knowing
(25:46):
our own landscape well enough toknow that there is no getting
lost when you know how tonavigate with ends.
Kristen O'Meara (25:54):
Yes.
And what a wonderful map yougive us what a wonderful guide
to.
As like a template because so Ithink so many of us are because
we haven't been taught how toheal ourselves or we haven't
been taught how to navigate bigchange or go through grief.
What a wonderful opportunity toto connect with the wind and
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use.
The, the metaphor and thereality as a guide to, to help
trust ourselves is a big thingthat I'm getting from the book
is learning how to trust, inourselves and in the, the life
that we're living, which can ebband flow.
Renee Baribeau (26:37):
We have a motto over at the wind clan on
Facebook that says in winds wetrust, because you know, it's
like if spirit.
Was the wind then adapted intothe words of, you know, Holy
Spirit and all of that, youknow, and we're trusting in this
God, what, what better way oftrusting in nature and trusting
(26:59):
in the wind because that is theconstant that's been on this
earth for four and a halfbillion years.
If you look at every singlecreation story, the wind has its
hand in it.
There's not, you know, there'snot one that I found whether.
You know, it's a chaos story or,uh, you know, an, uh, an
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oppositional force, the wind isthere and, you know, we, we
learned, we just, we just tookit away from the, the nature.
That's
Kristen O'Meara (27:29):
right.
That's right.
So connecting, connecting withnature and, and allowing,
allowing ourselves to be.
With all of it, with all of it,the wind, the earth, well, it's
just been, it's been such a, anincredible gift and I, I really
appreciate your time talkingwith me today.
(27:50):
And I want to hear what youhave, that you're cooking as far
as, what folks can, learn as faras the wind and wind work.
How can people find you and whatare you offering?
Renee Baribeau (28:06):
So you can find me over at The Practical Shaman
and ThePracticalShaman.
com and also on Facebook there'sThe Practical Shaman and there's
also a private group called TheWind Clan and of course The
Shaman's Cave is every otherweek with Sandra Ingraman and
we're in year six and that's,that's its own windy adventure
(28:26):
and The, um, this spring I'mgoing to be teaching for the
College of Psychic Studies fromLondon and it's going to,
they're going to be eveningclasses, three hours.
I'm very excited about it.
Three hour classes so you canget a real, you know, a real
good exploration into shamanicwind work.
I'm one of them.
(28:47):
Oh, I'm
Kristen O'Meara (28:47):
going to do that for me.
Renee Baribeau (28:49):
I'm going to do that.
I'm going to do that.
Yeah.
That's great.
I've decided that I wanted tojust put my energy towards
promoting those classes withthem this, this spring, because
I've been in this real, I'vebeen working on a new book for
two years.
And then all of a sudden when I,this is how if you've ever
written a book, you know, oryou're starting to write a book
(29:09):
that it's always something otherthan what you think.
And so I'm writing a book calledThe Practical Shaman, which is
going to be great.
But then in the middle of it,the wind spirit cards started to
be revealing themselves to me.
And I had waited for six years.
I had tried several artists.
I just couldn't get the drawingsright.
And then all of a sudden Istarted this exploration with
(29:32):
um, AI.
Oh! And people said, but that'snot real art, Renan.
And they're like, well I don'tknow.
I'm a real artist and I'm havinga grand old time with this, but
I'm reading it, the informationfrom my book.
Yeah.
It's coming out with theseimages that students and
everyone are relating to morethan like, like sometimes we'll
get some and they'll say, yeah,yeah.
(29:52):
Really?
And then I'll people say, no, Ididn't relate to that.
But these are like consistently,they're re expressing it in a
way that I want to express itin.
And so I'm very excited.
It's taking me down to learn,meet some new winds and some new
intensities and all of that.
And so I suspect by fall, I'llhave a deck of wind spirit cards
(30:14):
out.
We have the wind spirit cards,the little ones that come with
the wind whistlers toolkits.
But this is like, this is goingto be a visual story so that you
can really relate it more to
Kristen O'Meara (30:24):
your lives.
Oh, I love that.
I love using cards.
And one thing that I do want tolearn and I'll learn it in your
class, but I highly recommendfolks to go to Renee's website.
I believe it's the practicalshaman.
Yes.
Um, you can get wind flag kitsand there's so many evergreen
(30:44):
courses to take.
But I love the idea of learningto tie the knots, the wind knots
and creating your own wind flag,which I'm going to be doing
because what a wonderful way,just like listening to Renee's
book outside, what a wonderfulway to, to be in touch with the
wind by creating your own windflag.
Cause you're, you're inrelationship, you're developing
(31:07):
a relationship with the wind.
And I love those practical toolsbecause we need those our mind
and our body and our senses.
We really, we feel like we, youknow, we learn so much when we
have those practical,
Renee Baribeau (31:21):
tools.
Yes.
In the, in my group, a lot of uspull cards for the year and, um,
they poke, we pull cards for theyear and we put them on the
flags and we, you know, we, it'sreally exciting.
So I
Kristen O'Meara (31:36):
love that.
Well, Renee, hang on, because Itold you I have A gift for you.
Folks are usually, um, expectinga channeling.
When my son was nonverbal, Iunexpectedly learned how to
channel his higher self.
And that's been a journey that'sbeen about 10 years now.
(31:57):
But I have a channeling that I'mnot going to share publicly
because it's private and it'sjust Renee.
So Renee, hang on and thank youeveryone for joining us.
Thank you, Renee and much love.
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