March 20, 2024 • 67 mins
In this week's episode, Shannon Plummer joins us to discuss the wisdom of the Gene Keys, in particular Gene Key 34. I am grateful to Shannon for sharing time with our community to discuss the common mental trapping of trying and forcing that takes us out of our power - a power that we come to know through self-assurance, trust, and faith.
Show Notes:
Shannon Plummer has been a student of healing for 25 years as a Licensed Acupuncturist, functional health practitioner, and transformation guide. Her study and love of The Gene Keys was a natural progression into the unique and subtle energies that are often overlooked in a whole-person approach to healing and self-discovery. She is committed to assisting women to trust themselves, unravel old patterns, develop awareness, and create transformation in their bodies and minds to live authentically and truly who they are.
Through her life experience and work with clients, she understands how it is to feel lost and unsure of one’s self in the pilgrimage of life. She has gained valuable insight over these 25 years which allows her to relate fully to those on a similar path.
Shannon offers Gene Key sessions. To inquire about her services, send her an email at shannon@shannoncplummer.com.
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Hello everyone.
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And welcome to intuition talks.
I am Kristen O'Meara and I amhere with the lovely Shannon
plumber.
How are you, Shannon?
Oh, I'm good.
I'm I'm really, I'm good today.
You, I just, you know, when I, Ilook at you and I talk with you,
I just feel the image I get issunshine.
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It's just, you're such a, such awarm and lovely person.
And I just want to acknowledgethat and, and let you know,
that's so sweet of you to sayit's really true.
That's the image and the feelingI get.
And I just want to, to tell youhow grateful I am that you're
here having a conversation withme today.
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And, and I want to let folksknow that we are going to be
touching on the gene keys Andit's become a new favorite
subject of mine.
I was introduced to the Genki's,um, through a friend, Caleb
Nieper, who's a yoga instructor.
About, I think it was about 2018and he was really into it and he
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would talk about it.
And I was like, Oh, this is sofascinating.
And I loved hearing about it,but I was into other things.
I was doing shamanic journeyingand learning about mediumship
and, but I had it in the back ofmy And I, uh, picked it up
again.
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Really?
It was like, I would say about aweek before you were on
intuition talks last with Tina.
Yeah.
It was just a week or so before.
And then, you know, we'retalking with you about grace and
graciousness and the gene keyscame up and it was just, it was
really, um, a nice synchronicityto, to have in a reminder for me
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that, yeah, I think I'm readyto, to look into the system and
see.
See what it offers.
And for folks who don't knowabout the gene keys, the system
was developed by Richard Ruddand Shannon, you know, a lot
more about the gene keys than Ido.
But just a brief, a briefoverview.
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So Richard Rudd, from myunderstanding, taught human
design for a long time.
And from what I've read on hiswebsite, gene keys.
com, he, he was a senior teacherand brought the gene or human
design to the UK.
So I think he popped up,popularized it and, he taught
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that for a while.
And then my understanding isthat he just synthesized it in
his own way.
Well, how would you describe it?
Yeah, he, um, he did, he was, hestudied with Ra Roo, uh, in
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human design and, um, what hedid when he created the gene
keys, he combined human designwith the I Ching and, um, his
understanding of the I Chingdeepened.
And he realized that there were,there were levels of
consciousness, um, because thegene keys really, they're,
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they're an approach to, to guideus on our own unique path and to
begin to understand, like today,we'll probably talk about the
shadow, the gift and the city,which is, um, In Sanskrit, it
means divine gift, and so thoseare the, there's the different
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levels of consciousness of, ofthese different jinkies.
So they are based on the timeand place of your birth, as is
human design, combined with, uh,the I Ching, which I just think
it's just, it's just beautiful.
And it, uh, it came into my lifeat just a perfect time, and I
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just never put it down.
Yeah.
It was just, I mean, you could,you could study the gene keys
forever, I feel like, andcontinue to have a deeper
understanding of yourself orhelping other people to have a
deeper understanding ofthemselves.
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So it's been very powerful.
In my life.
Yeah.
I just, uh, it's hard to putinto words because I I'm, I'm so
new to it, but I love the ideaof shadow work.
And I know that's just anaspect.
I mean, it seems like a big partof, of the work that he's
offering, but the way I wasintroduced to shadow work was
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just through the work of CarlYoung, studying counseling
psychology in graduate schooland noticing my reactions to
other people to understand.
And have better insight about,okay, what's going on for me.
What I love about the gene keysis that.
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It, it brings all of that intoyour awareness in such a deep
way because he refers over andover that it's a part of our
DNA.
It's a part of our, of ourmakeup, the shadow part, the
levels of consciousness, likeyou said, within the shadow is
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the gift.
And that's very, um, similar tolike what Carl Young says that
the shadow isn't something that,um, It's an unconscious part of
ourselves.
It's a part that we're trying tocut off because we don't, you
know, we had to for whateverreason, you know, we're living
in a, say a family environmentas a child and we're not being
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accepted for who and what we areor particular aspect of who we
are.
So we just kind of suppress itor repress it and put it aside.
And it just erupts because wecan't.
We can't pull these things outof ourselves of the parts of who
we are.
It's just innate.
So we repress, it comes out in,you know, different ways that
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perhaps aren't appropriate,aren't helpful to others or
ourselves.
But what I love about the genekeys is that it offers the gift
in like the divine gift.
those, those higher levels ofconsciousness.
So it gives us a, a way tounderstand that, Oh, this isn't
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an icky part of me, or thisisn't something that, um, I
don't have to continue todislike.
There's a gift here.
And when I was reading about the34th gene key, which shows up
Two times in my, in my profile,which folks, if you want to go
to jinkies.
com, you can get your ownprofile.
It's, it's kind of like creatingan astrology chart.
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You put in the, your, uh, timeof birth, the city state, the
birth date, all of that, butwhen I was reading about the
34th jinky, which is aboutforce, that shadow of.
Doing, doing, doing, trying,trying, trying.
Um, I thought, Oh my gosh,that's like a story of my life.
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I gotta, I gotta take like abreath.
Really think about like, it justoffers insight.
And that's what I love and Ilove.
And we'll touch on this to howhe, how he explains the program
it's, it's not that we need moreinformation, although this is
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information for us to digest,but it's waking us up, it's
developing insight throughcontemplation.
And just being with, with thisand it, it can be uncomfortable,
but still it's something that wecan't run away from.
Yeah.
It's so true.
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And, um, you know, I was justtalking to a client yesterday,
we just started working with hergene keys and I was telling her,
um, because it's all aboutawareness, right?
Kristen, it's like all aboutawareness.
And I was telling her, you know,it doesn't even.
Matter if she goes ahead anddoes the, the shadowy thing,
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which in this case of the 34th,it's like to force things like
to, to literally go against theuniverse and think that we
little us have the capability toforce something that doesn't
want to happen.
Richard Rudd.
I love this, uh, analogy that hemakes.
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He says, it's like.
And he tells people, it's like,really feel this in your body,
like every cell in your body,when you try to force a round
peg into a square hole, it'slike that, like it won't go.
Right.
But people with a 34th in, insignificant placements in their,
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uh, gene key profile, We'llrecognize this, you know, we all
have some of these, you know, alittle bit of all the gene keys
in us, right?
But if it's in a, a significantplacement in the profile, then
we might feel it a little bitmore than others.
And, um, so the point isn'tlike, in this case, not to
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force.
Um, at least initially, it'sjust the awareness that you are
forcing.
And even that can be like, Oh myGod, I'm doing it again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and developing, like yousaid, that awareness and, and
not needing to fix it or, ortrial will try.
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Cause he brings up the star Warsmetaphor, you know, with Yoda
saying, uh, when LukeSkywalker's really trying to
force what that.
That, um, ship member to raiseit up and he's trying to use
the, the, you know, the forceforcefully.
And, uh, I think that was thescene and Yoda said, do or do
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not.
There is no try.
Yes.
Cause, cause, uh, Luke Skywalkeris saying, I'm trying, I'm
trying.
Yeah.
Maybe that's what that was.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's like, do.
Or do not, there is no try.
And I also, when I heard that, Iwas like, Oh my God.
Yes.
No, uh, you and I both have a 34in significant placement.
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It sounds like, and so gosh, howmuch of my life I've spent doing
that.
And this is the beauty of thegene keys is like, cause you
might think, well, that's justwho I am.
That's just what I do.
That's you know, um, butactually no, it's not who you
are.
So the 34th gene key it's forceis the shadow strength is the
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gift.
Yeah.
Right.
And then.
The city is I can't rememberwhat the city is.
It's majesty, majesty I lovewhat he says about force because
when we're forcing somethinglike, for example, I worked at,
um, right out of college.
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I got a job at wired magazineand my undergraduate degree was
in religious studies and I lovedit.
And here I am.
I live in San Francisco.
I know I have to pay rent.
So I get a job in humanresources.
I have no idea what that is.
I'm working in businessadministration.
I don't have a clue.
And I'm, I'm moving up.
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I'm there for, you know, yearafter year, I don't like it, but
I'm just there.
And I'm for, I'm forcing, I'mforcing, I'm forcing, I'm
staying in this job.
And I could think of a milliondifferent examples of, of that,
but it's like tunnel vision.
And I'm in my head.
And when he talks about fours.
It's, it's a construct of themind, right?
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So we're not in our power inthat sacral area where a lot of
that power is where there isn'tforce.
It's more of like you'reconnected to the flow of life
rather than being up in yourhead, trying to make something
happen.
Like you said, with the puttingthe, what was it?
The square peg in the round holeor however that works.
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I was trying to force myselfinto a.
In a situation that had nothingto, was not in alignment with me
at all.
Does that make sense?
It makes perfect sense.
The interesting thing about the34th, um, because within all the
gene keys, there are what'scalled programming partners.
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So they're connected to anothergene key.
And the 34th is connected to the20th gene key.
And, uh, the shadow of the 20thgene key is superficiality.
So it's almost like, and it is,uh, self assurance of that gene
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key and the city is presence.
So it's almost like when we'rebeing superficial.
We're also in that forcingenergy, like you said, like you
were doing that job, not reallybeing who you are, like feeling
like you have to do it.
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I gotta, you know, toe the lineand do all this stuff.
So, um, the more we get into ourself assurance and our presence,
the more we can sort of liftourselves out of that force
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energy into strength, which is,you know, strength is, is very
feminine.
It's very pliable.
It's almost like when I think ofstrength, I think of, you know,
Like palm trees, you know, howpalm trees are always, they're
always on coastal regions,right?
So, because when it's reallywindy, those palm trees need to
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bend, right?
And they do, it's remarkable.
And they do, and they don'tbreak.
Well, I mean, they could breakif it's, you know, um, but.
You know, I think, uh,culturally we think of strength
as like, you know, strong andhard and, you know, that sort of
thing.
Whereas, um, strength really is.
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It's very feminine and pliable.
And I know, um, for myself, whenI feel that, that I'm in that
forcing, cause I still do itnow.
Yeah.
I was doing it like an hour ago.
I was like, Oh my gosh, this is,I, I do, I, because the 34th is
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also a, a, a, a, a Deeplyembodied gene key.
It's very much about being inour body.
So I try to think about, I try,I think about the, the self
assurance and the presence.
Cause I, I, when I think aboutthe 34th, I can't help, but
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think about the 20th becausethat will, they both help each
other is what I'm trying to say.
Yeah.
So I, in my mind, in my heart, Ianchor myself deep into my body.
And when I do that, it reallyhelps me to come out of that
forcing energy because forcingenergy is it's of the mind.
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It's like, I got to do this.
And we had this vision.
That's why I just, it reallywoke me up when I was reading
his, um, description of forcecomes from the mind.
And he used.
And that's the example ofmartial arts and how the, the
strength, um, comes from thatsacral area and all of the
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neural neural network that, thatwe there's almost like there's a
brain there in the sacral area,or it's connected to the brain.
I can't remember how he wasdescribing it.
Sorry, everyone, I'm still newto this, but that there is a
presence that's has no words,has no, um, Um, thought process
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or it's processes.
It's just, it is and how to tapinto that presence.
And I imagine for me, To use me,me as an example, using my
meditation and mindfulness andkind of connecting the dots of,
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okay, this is where my mind'sgoing.
Um, I don't need to force thissituation or force whatever I'm
trying to do in my life to, likeyou say, have the self
assurance.
And I, and for me, it's alsoabout faith.
What do you think?
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Oh, I think, yes, like faith andtrust are deeply connected to
the 34th gene key.
Cause he talks about thesurvival.
Oh, I'm so sorry.
He talks about the survival ofthe reptilian brain.
And it's about.
It's about survival in a way.
That's why it's so deeply rootedin the body.
Correct?
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Yes.
And, and because it's like wethink, Oh, you know, the
universe or spirit doesn't knowwhat it's doing.
So I, I need to force it likeme, Shannon, are you Kristen?
Right.
And to think that.
You know, so that's where thetrust piece comes in, that I
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don't have to do all of this allby myself.
I can trust in the, the wisdomof life.
And if we, it's like, you know,that, um, superficiality.
If we trust that, like, let'stake that job you were talking
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about.
Um, If at that time you couldhave come into a place of trust
and really understanding thisjob, just, it isn't me, you
know, it, it isn't me.
And I'm going to let it go andtrust.
That something better will comemy way.
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Oh gosh.
I couldn't have been furtherfrom my mind.
I think I was in so much fear.
Yes.
And that's what the shadow is.
Yeah, it's our shadow in, inwhatever gene key we're talking
about.
Um, the shadow is always fear.
It's fear based and, and.
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You know, many of us live therea lot of our life.
Myself included.
Oh yeah.
And so it's like, it's aunlocking these gene keys is a
journey.
It's not like a, you know, oneand done kind of fix it sort of
thing.
You know, I've been studying itfor probably about six years
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now.
And still I find like evenyesterday, I won't go into it,
but yesterday I was like, no, gointo it.
I love it.
Share, share what you just, whatyou found out.
Well, it was, you know, becauseI've been studying, uh, Chiron a
lot in astrology.
Oh my goodness.
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I love that in astrology.
I, mine's in the house.
I would love to see your genekeys, Kristen, you know,
because, uh, do you mind measking where your Chiron is in
your chart?
Do you feel like sharing that?
Chiron is in my fifth house.
Okay.
Mine's in the eighth.
So I'm, I'm with you.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Okay.
Um, and so then I got tothinking.
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I know Chiron is within the genekeys, you know, where is it?
Um, it's our, our core wound orour vocation gene key.
And, um, so I was looking at mygene keys and I was looking at,
uh, my mom's gene keys and, uh,the gene keys of someone who,
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um, wasn't, was just, has been,uh, kind of, uh, a force in my
life that taught me a lot oflessons.
And, um, my mom and this personhad the same core wound or same
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vocation, Jinky.
So I was like, I need to dogreater study on this because
isn't that fascinating thatlessons we learn right will
often trigger our core wound?
Yes.
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And then, like, if the job isn'tdone, so to speak, you may run
into another person to triggerthat core wound.
And it's all.
For our healing there.
It is a difficult experience,but it is so incredibly, I'm so
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grateful to have those, um, whatyou're describing and also
having someone, a stranger, aperson that I know remind me,
and it could be a veryuncomfortable experience, but
reminding me, okay, I need toyou.
Think about this or self reflector, uh, this isn't quite done
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yet.
Do you know what I'm saying?
And I think we might be talkingabout a little bit of different
things, but it's like datingkind of a similar type of
person, you know, and we're notquite done with, um, with that
lesson.
It keeps showing up and as hardas it can be.
Wow.
What a gift that whether it'sthe universe or our soul
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attracting it, or who knows whatit's, it's just, it's profound.
It really is.
And it's, um, I mean, there aremany times in my life that I
would not have looked at it thatway.
Oh, me too.
Oh, yeah.
Being on the other side of a lotof pain.
Um, now I was just hiking thismorning and I was like, wow, the
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universe is like brilliant andhow lucky am I that I got the
opportunity to experience thisand come out on the other side.
Yes.
Because, you know, we're, whenwe're strongly drawn to someone,
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that's a clue, right?
That they have some medicinethat we need.
And it could be a bucket full ofpain.
It, you know, it usually is, butif we can, um, work through it,
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And, and that's the, with thegene keys, Richard Rudd talks a
lot about sitting with our pain,you know, and not trying to fix
it or, or make it go away.
It's not that we can't seek helpor anything like that.
It's just that the pain istrying to tell us something.
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It's trying to tell us, youknow, where, where we're wounded
to help us to, to heal that.
And it takes a lifetime.
I mean, I'm talking 30 years ofmy life and finally I get it.
Yeah.
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Incredible.
I love what you said too.
About when you're really in painand you're really suffering,
it's hard to, to recognize thatwhat you're going through is an
opportunity or a gift to becomemore self aware, to develop more
insight.
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And I, what I'm, what I'msensing from what you're saying,
and I can relate it to my ownlife, the more insight we
develop, or the more self awarewe become, the more The more
resilient we become.
So even if we get knocked downand we're like, Oh my God, like
how many times do I need to, youknow, experience this thing.
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We, we have this resiliencethat, uh, that really needs to
be acknowledged.
And honored.
Right?
Absolutely.
I've, because I didn't, I didn'treally realize that this was a
thing.
This, um, I, I've coined it thepilgrimage, like, you know, our
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pilgrimage through life.
And then, um, more recently Iread, um, Pema Chodron's book,
uh, how we live is how we die.
Oh, amazing book.
If, if anybody wants to pick itup, she's just, I love Pema.
She's, I've picked up her booksalong the way, but I learned
something new in this particularbook because it's already
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called, it's already a thing.
And in the Buddhist tradition,they call it the Bardo, that
life is like Then it's down andit's up and it's down.
And just to get used to it, getused to, you know, sometimes
life is going to feel prettygood and then it's not going to
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feel that great.
I think in our culture, we'retaught that there is sort of
this upward trajectory that weshould, life should keep getting
better.
And so every time we experiencea downfall, we think, man,
there's something wrong with me.
Like, why is my life, you know,like this when I'm supposed to
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be here, wherever there is.
Yes.
And to, to, and that's part ofbeing with the pain.
It's just that.
And, and the wave of life, thepilgrimage of life, or the Bardo
of life that it goes up and itgoes down.
And the more we get used tothat, that pliability, that
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strength to be with ourselves,no matter what.
Wow.
That is everything.
That is everything.
And that's resilience.
That is acceptance.
It's, it's everything.
It's, it's the flow of life.
Just like what you said.
And I love your, um, themetaphor of the palm tree.
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Yeah.
I think there's, um, it's ashame because there's so, I've
been looking at this quite a bitrecently.
The, the things that are beingsold, especially in the kind of
like the self help, um, industrykind of like, well, here, here
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are the five things you need todo, or I almost feel like, and I
don't have an, an example tooffer right now, but there isn't
a quick fix, like you said, andI feel like some of this stuff
that I'm seeing is, is more oflike, here, here's a way to
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bypass.
Yeah.
Your, your deep emotions oryour, uh, uncomfortable feelings
or whatever isn't, um, whateveryou're going through that, um,
uh, you don't want to sit with,like you said, absolutely.
And, uh, you know, my whole,well, I think I shared with you
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on the, on the last podcast thatwe did of, um, you know, being.
very anorexic as a young girl.
And, um, that had a lot of thisgene key, the 34th gene key in
it, like forcing my body to dosomething that it couldn't do.
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And so I stopped eating, forceit.
You will be smaller, you will bethinner, you will.
And I, and I willed my body to,um, you know, just.
starvation mode.
Right.
And, um, And then from there,you know, I studied nutrition
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and, and different types of, um,medicine, traditional Chinese
medicine, functional medicine,all to learn ways to fix.
I realized, I realized, and, uh,and now I'm like, Oh, I really,
you know, when I talk to peopleabout food, I really have to,
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there has to be a caveat for me.
Like this is not to fix you.
Like I can give you somerecommendations and we can talk
about it, but it's a very fineline for me now that I
understand.
Or that I, you know, I guess weall have our journey through
life and this has just been minethat, um, I thought, Oh, yeah,
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you know, I can help fix peopleand now I more want to help
people be with themselves, bewith their pain and, um, develop
that resilience like you'retalking about, or, or be able to
surrender to To life and that wedon't, we don't have to fix it.
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Even if it's not fixed, we canstill live.
A, a good life, a present life,a life of strength without all
of that, without like, okay, youknow, eat this way, do these
exercises, do the, you know,it's all about the doing all of
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it's more about the being thatI'm interested in now.
And I think it honors the, ourinherent ability to heal
ourselves.
Yeah.
Because there's healinghappening, whether we're aware
of it or not, or not, the moreinsight we develop, the more
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skills we have to sit in mindfulpresence and be quiet and let
those feelings come forward.
There's so much healing and wemay not be aware of, of how much
actually, um, but the more we'rewith ourselves and the more we
honor who we are, no matterwhat, um, one thing that I.
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was really, uh, struck by when Iwas reading about the 34th gene
key is that I have OCD.
And one of the aspects of the34th gene key is that mental
loop in the mind.
And Even though I believe OCDcould be hereditary, I think
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they may be coming up with thattheory, or I don't know if
they've proven it.
I don't know.
I think it was a way for me tomanage the home environment that
I was in.
It was my way of shuttingeverything out.
And forcing or trying to makesomething a certain way so I
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could feel safe.
Um, I had a very difficult homeenvironment.
So for me, looking at it throughthe lens of my counseling
background or however, I'm like,Oh, that was a perfect coping
mechanism for a highly sensitivechild who was in chaos, right?
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So I'm fortunate that I foundtreatment for it and the
symptoms are, are very low.
It isn't disruptive anymore.
However, it has, The, the way mybrain is wired, I can see how I
can, you know, act out theforcefulness or have this idea
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of, okay, this is what I, I wantto make and it's gotta be a
certain way.
There are things, there areelements about it that still are
there.
Um, so I think what I, I really.
Really resonate with what you'resaying about the way it showed
up for you with the anorexia.
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Cause I think it was in a waysimilar to how I was managing.
Very similar.
Yeah.
Our mind thinks I remember backup into the mind.
Like for me, if I make my body acertain way, I'll feel better
and I'll feel safe.
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You make your environment acertain way.
You'll feel better and you'llfeel safe.
Oh, without a doubt.
I mean, my Duran Duran poster,Shannon.
They had to be, I was makingsure they were like straight
and, you know, all sorts.
Who knows what would happen ifthey weren't straight, right?
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And my hair was feathered acertain, you know, with the
feather, like, oh, it wastorture.
Right.
Perfectionism shows up in this34th gene key for sure.
Um, because that's what theforce is.
It's like not allowinghaphazardness.
Or, you know, to gain a fewpounds or to have a poster a
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little off, it's, you know, offkilter.
It's like, Oh no, you know, Um,you know, I remember, um, when I
was anorexic, uh, and I hadalmost stopped eating
completely, but maybe I'd havean apple, um, I would have to go
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run, like go running outside,um, to burn off the calories of
the apple.
And also I couldn't, um, I don'tknow if you experienced this,
Kristen, but there was also likea very harsh inner critic.
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Oh, oh, oh my goodness.
Oh my goodness.
Yes.
Because it was all aboutperfection for me.
Yes.
It's like, oh, you're too,you're, you're too weak.
You had to have that apple.
Okay.
Now you're going to be punished.
And so you have to go.
So a lot of the reason I stoppedeating was because I, I
couldn't.
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stand the voice.
I couldn't stand the brutalityof the voice.
And so it was easier for me tostop eating than to eat and be
punished.
By myself, essentially,essentially.
So yeah, and the, and RichardRudd talks about this gene key
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can have deep brutality.
I think he uses those exactwords.
I saw that word or yes, severaltimes when we're living in the
shadow, this, and this is the,this is the, the danger, I
guess, of not dealing with ouremotions.
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Yes, because the brutality, iteither comes out toward ourself
or it comes out toward otherpeople.
And so to dig in here and looklike, look at ourselves and
what's going on and be.
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Our pain, because a lot of whatwe're talking about too, is the
avoidance of the pain.
If I make my space perfect, if Imake my body perfect, then I
don't have to feel the pain ofanything.
So I remember what he was sayingabout, about, uh, it's either
repressed.
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Or it's really out therebullying.
So it's like a one or the other,at least the extremes of it.
So mine, like I, I think yourstoo, if I may assume is, is it
was repressed.
So my goodness, it's still hardfor me to, to express my anger.
I can cry more now, but that waswork to Shannon.
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Like I would have to watch amovie.
Like I wouldn't go and say, Oh,I need to cry.
So I'm going to watch a movie.
But when I would see a movie andI would start crying, I was
like, Oh, thank God.
But now it comes out, but justto feel my emotions, so hard for
me.
Yes.
That too, like for me too, willcontinue to be.
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a journey.
Yeah.
Right.
That's why we, we, we thinkthese things should be quick,
you know, like, um, that Ishould, Oh, I should be over
this by now.
But what I've come, come tounderstand is that it's just,
it's just, it's a journey and wecan't, we can't rush it and we
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can't force it.
And, um, to learn compassion forourselves.
I mean, compassion is a, is a, akey of the gene keys.
Um, he talks about compassion alot, compassion for ourselves,
compassion for other people, um,because we're all on this planet
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doing the best we can.
Right.
And, um, yeah, the brutalitytoward ourselves or other people
just, It's not the way to go,right?
And I think our world needscompassion now more than ever,
right?
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And it's, it's, um, it's workfor each of us to do
individually, like doing our ownwork.
can help with this compassionbecause then when we're doing
our own work, um, we can thenoffer compassion to other
people.
But if we're deeply suffering,it's very hard to see or to have
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compassion for someone else.
Like, you know, people who havehurt us in our life, right?
When we're, we're in that, whenwe're in that pain and that
suffering, it's, it's very hardto see them for anything, but
you did this to me, right?
But then when we start doing ourwork and we feel more compassion
toward ourselves, we can kind oflook at them with softer eyes
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and be like, yeah, they were ina lot of pain too.
Absolutely.
And that opens so much in termsof reconciliation and
forgiveness.
Yes.
Like I always think ofreconciliation and forgiveness
is kind of like, Not to saythat.
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I mean, that could be a wholelifetime too, but it's, and it's
not to say that we need tocomplete the healing cycle, but
some of us will in this lifetimesay, be able to reconcile and
forgive, whether it's ourselvesor others, or even, you know,
those one or two people that,that we really, um, had
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difficulty with in our lives.
But I, I believe that thatopens.
The, the path of of that work,and to we raise our vibration
and I know that's thrown aroundso much but even if we don't.
Like what you're saying, fixsomething.
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Like I don't know if I'll everfix the OCD or I certainly am
not overcome by it.
It's not ruling my life.
Um, but it, it offers havinggone through that, like what
you're talking about.
Oh my gosh, I'm able to, to havecompassion for myself and sit
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with someone who is anincredible amount of pain and
hear their story.
So it, like you said, it's notreally a matter of fixing it.
It's just a matter of, ofacknowledging it and accepting
it and being with it andallowing that to be, like you
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said, the journey, thepilgrimage and If we let it, we
can, we can become moreconnected with others, I think
is what I'm trying to say, likethe brothers and sisters that
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we're sharing this planet with,even if it's a smile, even if
it's more presence with thecheckout person at the store,
more presence with someone else.
I, I really believe that.
That those moments are morepowerful and healing than we're
aware of.
Yes, I agree.
Like even just to, um, becauseit's true.
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Like I, when I was so wrapped upin my own pain, I couldn't
really.
I didn't have a lot to give toother people, even like the
checkout person at the, at thestore.
And even I remember, um, when Ifirst moved to New Mexico and,
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uh, I had gotten a job, um,after I, after a training I did
here, I'd gotten a job, um, as,uh, the front desk person at,
um, the New Mexico Academy ofHealing Arts.
And at that same time, um, I wasexperiencing a lot of pain in my
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life.
And, um, I almost got firedbecause I was not nice to the
people on the phone.
And looking back at the time, Iwas like, Oh gosh, you're so
embarrassed.
Right.
When I was called in to betalked to about my attitude.
And, um, at the time, yeah, justlike, oh, wow, they're noticing
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that I'm so angry.
And now looking back, I realizedthat, um, it was my own, I was
in such pain that I didn't havepatience for other people.
I didn't have patience orcompassion for their problems.
I couldn't even have that withmyself.
And so it came out at otherpeople.
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And so this is the power of thiskind of work, um, that we free
ourselves from this pain.
I, I literally feel, I feel freefrom a lot of my pain.
I, and it's nothing necessarilythat I did.
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It was really just recognizingthat I was doing it and then
realizing that I don't want todo that anymore.
Yeah.
It offers choice.
Yeah.
Right.
It offers.
Once you've gotten to a certainplace, right, because, because I
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do recognize that sometimes,like if you're in the depths of
pain, it's really hard to seeany of what we're talking about.
Oh, for sure.
You know, it's got to take itsown.
Course almost.
Um, but the more we sit with it,sit in it and allow ourselves to
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feel, which is so hard for somany people, but I promise the
more we do that, the more welearn to do that, the easier it
gets.
Yes.
Oh, it's so true.
It easier gets.
And I, I, I see it as like acommitment.
It's a commitment, not, not forthe work, but a commitment to
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ourselves.
Like I am going to, and I thinkthis gets just back to self love
and that's a whole path in andof itself.
But I'm not going to give up onmyself.
Yes.
And I, I feel that I perhaps didso many times in, in different
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ways that it takes perhapssomething really big.
I think to wake us up to go, youknow what?
No, I'm not going to give up onmyself.
I'm not, I'm worth it.
Yes.
I'm worth it.
And even if the self love isn't,you know, at a high level,
there's something, there'ssomething that is driving us to,
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to not give up.
And perhaps that could be achild, something that's asking
us to really, you know, committo ourselves.
Um, yeah.
Yeah.
Um, I, I, that's true.
It's like, I like what you said,like, I'm not going to give up
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on myself.
And something I haven't reallytalked about is, is, um, also
boundaries, you know, cause I'vetalked a lot about compassion
until this and all of that forourselves and other people, but
also, um, boundaries are veryimportant.
Um, to recognize that, you know,we're worth something.
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And sometimes that means thatthere is an end of a
relationship.
With someone that, um, hasdeeply hurt us, uh, and just
having that boundary forourselves.
So that's part of, uh, part ofit too.
You can still work on forgivingsomebody without having them in
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your life.
Oh, isn't that the truth?
Yes.
Absolutely.
Yes.
That needs to be said too.
And what a difficult, I don'twant to put that out there too
much, but.
It can be an obstacle if we'rehoping or waiting for an
apology, but we can still do it.
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We can.
We can.
Absolutely.
And I, and it's like, um, for methat kind of, that also speaks
to earlier when I said we canrecognize that that person too
was in pain.
Yeah.
And for me, that's where theforgiveness comes from.
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Like, yeah, I, I know that painalso, and I know how hard it is
to be with.
And so I can lend that tosomebody, but that doesn't mean
I need to let them back in mylife.
Yes.
Right.
I think that's just a, and thathas to do with self caring for
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ourselves.
Um, like I am responsible formyself and there are people that
I can have in my life and thereare people that I can't have in
my life and that's okay.
That's right.
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That's so beautiful.
Another thing, and I think wemight close here is.
I believe that however wepractice self awareness or
insight, discernment comes towith what you're saying.
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Um, that insight, thatcontemplation, that sitting with
our strong emotions, howeverlong that takes, um, cause there
is no final goal, right?
There's no like, you know, we'redoing it as we can do it, but
discernment is, is so valuable.
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With the insight that we getfrom ourselves or about
ourselves so we can make thosedecisions.
Oh, you know, this is a type ofperson that is not, um,
respecting me because I'mrespecting myself more.
Yeah.
(50:35):
And, and I think, um, I lovethat word discernment and, and
it's also about trustingourselves.
Yeah.
Take care of ourselves, like notto put ourselves in harm's way.
Yes.
Right.
So that's a call.
Yes.
That, that, that is part of, um,being the caretaker of ourselves
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and healing, like to know, um,to have that discernment, like,
I know who is or should be hereright now.
And I know who shouldn't be hereright now.
And that's the discernment.
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And that's the, we begin totrust ourselves when we make,
when we start making betterdecisions.
About who we allow in our lifeand who we don't.
And I, I think at least for mewith, uh, being a victim of
emotional abuse, that road hasbeen a long one for me
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discernment, especially forpeople who it could be for
anyone, but for people who arehighly sensitive and our healers
are natural, you know, empaths,healers, highly sensitive
people.
There's a.
There's a, at least speaking formyself, I want to trust.
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I want to believe I want, I wantto love.
It's interesting.
I want to love everyone.
It's a very, it's a veryinteresting, very tricky feeling
that I have where I'm like,well, I need to sit with this.
Do you know what I mean?
I mean, obviously I'm nothugging every single, well, I
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could hug every single personthat I see.
Yeah.
But for me, I really need totake a time out.
I need to really have a momentand use my intuition.
And it sometimes it takes longerfor me to really understand my
motivation of, Oh, I'd love tohave a friendship with this
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person.
And I'm not noticing the redflags maybe.
Um, and of course my discernmentis much better, but I think for
some people, we need more time.
Yes.
And, um, you bring up a goodpoint about, um, being a
sensitive person and that thatis a, a tremendous, Gift, being
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sensitive.
Um, and we do, um, I feel haveto learn that again and again,
like, yeah, we think everybody'slike good and, and, and, and
want to see the good ineverybody.
And I would say, you know, at aperson's core, there is good,
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but there's too, for somepeople, there's too much in the
way of that.
And, um, you know, it, itreminds me again of, of Chiron,
known as the wounded healer.
You know, Chiron spent his, hiswhole life trying to heal
himself.
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And, um, and this is from, youknow, uh, Greek mythology, but.
Um, it shows up in astrology towhere Chiron is in your chart,
but, um, many, many people whorelate to, um, being in the
healing profession or a healer,um, probably has a strong
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placement of Chiron.
And that's the thing about, youknow, being wounded again and
again and again, but that that'swhat creates the medicine.
To be able to help anybody else.
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We can't really, if we don'tknow pain, if we don't
understand that process, there'sno way you can help anybody.
No, you can't learn it in abook.
You can not learn it in a book.
No.
It comes from our life, right?
And part of that is.
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That's why you're taught thatboundary, like who gets, who
gets in and who, and whodoesn't.
Yes.
And it's like, it's a, it's a,it's a continual lesson, right?
Like, like we're still like,okay.
Um, you know, have to assess.
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Probably a big part of you,Kristen, like a big part of me
wants to believe like, Oh, yes,this person is, um, you know,
they want the best for me and,and, uh, and some people just
aren't there.
It's a, it's a matter of selfawareness and it's a very
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compassionate way of, of lookingat it.
And I think that's the biggesttakeaway.
Perhaps at least for me, whatwe're talking about is that
let's, as we're with ourselvesand learning about ourselves and
developing insight andawareness, whether it's with the
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gene keys or whatever method weuse, having compassion for
ourselves.
Not sitting say in meditation orat our journal or at our
counselor's office, hoping tofix, but just how can we learn
to live in a life that It'smostly an unknown experience,
(56:42):
right?
How can we bend like the palmtree and how can we find the joy
as we're developing the insightsto, and not just hoping to fix
something else.
Like what a miracle to have aninsight.
What a miracle.
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And sometimes it's just enoughthat day and having to like,
we're talking about with theforcing, you know, my gosh, we,
we don't need to like with theforce become this perfect,
whatever, can we just allowourselves to be.
And, and real, I think, or animportant insight for me is that
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I, I have little control overanything aside from how I.
And respond or react.
It comes back to us, right?
Like we can't control one singlething, like anything outside of
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us.
There's nothing we can control.
The only thing is it comes backto us.
It comes back to our heart andhow we are in our life.
And that's the whole point, Ibelieve.
in the Gene Keys is to, tobecome aware of how we are being
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and then to keep noticing it.
Like I said to my client theother day, um, it's not, the
point isn't to stop doing it.
The point is right now to justnotice that you do it.
Oh my gosh.
Wow.
I did that again.
And I did that again.
Again.
Yeah.
And then just over time, wejust, It's, it's interesting how
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people soften over time, themore we, it's kind of brought
out into the light.
They call it a shadow for areason.
That's right.
It loves the darkness.
It loves when we don't see itand we're just that, and it's a
very heavy energy.
But when you start to see it,it's like, oh, oh my gosh, there
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it is again.
It is the path of, oftransformation is just being
able to see it so it doesn't actout in hidden ways.
That's right.
It doesn't hurt ourselves orother people.
And that's really, I mean, Whatcould you, what more could you
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ask for?
Really?
I mean, I, I really don't think,yes, I, I, cause if we're, cause
we're here really on the planet,like that's a good question to
ask ourselves, you know, why arewe here?
Right.
If not to, um, evolve as a soul.
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Yes.
Right.
Like from a soul place and, andthat's what the gene keys are.
And then, and then from evolvingfrom that soul place, then
potentially like our work in theworld, you know, we have
something to give something tooffer.
Yes.
(01:00:10):
Um, yes.
What else are we, what are wedoing if we're not, if we're not
doing that, right.
I mean, and that's all we needto do.
I think I can, I can imagine,uh, And this isn't, um, to make
light of, of someone who goesthrough a life, you know,
(01:00:33):
without much awareness, becausewho knows what gifts they're
giving other people because ofthat.
But I can imagine, you know,meeting, like say you pass away
and you go to, you see yourspirit guides or whomever up in
the spirit world.
And they wanted to accomplish somany things.
(01:00:54):
And they learn like, Oh, youjust needed just to be who you
are.
You just needed to be, you know,we weren't expecting any of
that.
So that's something that I thinkabout for myself is, you know,
this drive that I have to do oraccomplish or whatever.
(01:01:23):
I have to really check myselfand go, well, what, what is
that?
Is that.
And it's okay to have, you know,a drive and it's okay to want to
accomplish, but it's, it'ssomething interesting to look at
and to see, and to see if it'sreally something that is
important.
(01:01:43):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, I have that, uh, that driveto Kristen and I often like I do
sometimes I'm just like, well,maybe.
You know, I just, um, come incontact with whoever I do, you
know, and, um, not cause I'mvery aware.
(01:02:05):
I love that.
We're talking about this genekey.
I'm very aware of the forcingwhenever I see myself doing it.
And if I feel that, that energyof, I'm trying to, Put a round
peg into a square hole.
I literally physically will moveback, like either take my hands
(01:02:27):
off the computer or, uh, youknow, walk away from an email or
something physically walk awayfrom it, because that isn't, um,
that isn't how I want to createmy life.
(01:02:47):
It's, it's, I want it to be.
Allowing and not pushing and notstriving and, and forcing and
proving and all of that.
And um, so again, even I isstill aware, like, Oh, I'm doing
that again.
(01:03:08):
And I can, for me, it works tophysically remove myself from
whatever activity I'm doing thathas that energy to it.
Yes.
Thank you.
If it's coming from a heartplace and I love what I'm doing
and it's just, I'm in the flow,that's different.
But if I'm like grasping orlike, Oh, I got to make this
happen.
Um, that's not a healthy energyfor me.
(01:03:32):
That's a really good, a goodreminder.
I think for anyone, whether theyhave the 34th gene key, uh, in
their, in their chart or not.
Yeah, it's a really goodreminder.
Oh, thank you.
This has been great.
This has just been a great.
I love fluid discussion.
(01:03:55):
I love talking with you.
Let folks know how to reach youand, and what perhaps some of
the offerings that you can do.
That you have.
Yeah.
Um, cause I told you last timeon our podcast that I was
creating my website and I am,but it is not done.
(01:04:15):
Oh man.
That's a beast.
It's a beast.
And, and, and, you know, to doit in a way that I, I want to,
so, um, you can reach me atShannon at Shannon C plumber.
com.
That's my email.
And, um, Um, you know, I'm, whatI'm doing now are sessions like
(01:04:36):
this to help people, um,understand, like if, if you're
in a lot of pain right now, orjust interested in, in learning
about yourself, the Gene Keys isa great way to do that.
So I do Gene Keys sessions, Ido, um, intuitive guidance
sessions, um, that's more thework I'm doing right now.
(01:05:00):
Oh, I love it.
I love it.
And the more work I do withparents of special needs
children, which is, is my focus,I'm going to be sending a lot of
people your way.
Oh, thank you.
Cause I just think it's soimportant for the parenting
aspect, for the caregivingaspect.
(01:05:24):
Um, it's so helpful.
So thank you for everything thatyou're doing.
Yeah.
And thank you.
Um, thanks for having me.
And, uh, I just, I had a greattime.
Oh, I did too.
I did too.
Well, thank you everyone.
Have a wonderful week.
Take care of yourself and muchlove, much love to you.
Hello everyone.
(00:01):
And welcome to intuition talks.
I am Kristen O'Meara and I amhere with the lovely Shannon
plumber.
How are you, Shannon?
Oh, I'm good.
I'm I'm really, I'm good today.
You, I just, you know, when I, Ilook at you and I talk with you,
I just feel the image I get issunshine.
(00:23):
It's just, you're such a, such awarm and lovely person.
And I just want to acknowledgethat and, and let you know,
that's so sweet of you to sayit's really true.
That's the image and the feelingI get.
And I just want to, to tell youhow grateful I am that you're
here having a conversation withme today.
(00:44):
And, and I want to let folksknow that we are going to be
touching on the gene keys Andit's become a new favorite
subject of mine.
I was introduced to the Genki's,um, through a friend, Caleb
Nieper, who's a yoga instructor.
About, I think it was about 2018and he was really into it and he
(01:12):
would talk about it.
And I was like, Oh, this is sofascinating.
And I loved hearing about it,but I was into other things.
I was doing shamanic journeyingand learning about mediumship
and, but I had it in the back ofmy And I, uh, picked it up
again.
(01:33):
Really?
It was like, I would say about aweek before you were on
intuition talks last with Tina.
Yeah.
It was just a week or so before.
And then, you know, we'retalking with you about grace and
graciousness and the gene keyscame up and it was just, it was
really, um, a nice synchronicityto, to have in a reminder for me
(01:58):
that, yeah, I think I'm readyto, to look into the system and
see.
See what it offers.
And for folks who don't knowabout the gene keys, the system
was developed by Richard Ruddand Shannon, you know, a lot
more about the gene keys than Ido.
But just a brief, a briefoverview.
(02:20):
So Richard Rudd, from myunderstanding, taught human
design for a long time.
And from what I've read on hiswebsite, gene keys.
com, he, he was a senior teacherand brought the gene or human
design to the UK.
So I think he popped up,popularized it and, he taught
(02:44):
that for a while.
And then my understanding isthat he just synthesized it in
his own way.
Well, how would you describe it?
Yeah, he, um, he did, he was, hestudied with Ra Roo, uh, in
(03:04):
human design and, um, what hedid when he created the gene
keys, he combined human designwith the I Ching and, um, his
understanding of the I Chingdeepened.
And he realized that there were,there were levels of
consciousness, um, because thegene keys really, they're,
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they're an approach to, to guideus on our own unique path and to
begin to understand, like today,we'll probably talk about the
shadow, the gift and the city,which is, um, In Sanskrit, it
means divine gift, and so thoseare the, there's the different
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levels of consciousness of, ofthese different jinkies.
So they are based on the timeand place of your birth, as is
human design, combined with, uh,the I Ching, which I just think
it's just, it's just beautiful.
And it, uh, it came into my lifeat just a perfect time, and I
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just never put it down.
Yeah.
It was just, I mean, you could,you could study the gene keys
forever, I feel like, andcontinue to have a deeper
understanding of yourself orhelping other people to have a
deeper understanding ofthemselves.
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So it's been very powerful.
In my life.
Yeah.
I just, uh, it's hard to putinto words because I I'm, I'm so
new to it, but I love the ideaof shadow work.
And I know that's just anaspect.
I mean, it seems like a big partof, of the work that he's
offering, but the way I wasintroduced to shadow work was
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just through the work of CarlYoung, studying counseling
psychology in graduate schooland noticing my reactions to
other people to understand.
And have better insight about,okay, what's going on for me.
What I love about the gene keysis that.
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It, it brings all of that intoyour awareness in such a deep
way because he refers over andover that it's a part of our
DNA.
It's a part of our, of ourmakeup, the shadow part, the
levels of consciousness, likeyou said, within the shadow is
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the gift.
And that's very, um, similar tolike what Carl Young says that
the shadow isn't something that,um, It's an unconscious part of
ourselves.
It's a part that we're trying tocut off because we don't, you
know, we had to for whateverreason, you know, we're living
in a, say a family environmentas a child and we're not being
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accepted for who and what we areor particular aspect of who we
are.
So we just kind of suppress itor repress it and put it aside.
And it just erupts because wecan't.
We can't pull these things outof ourselves of the parts of who
we are.
It's just innate.
So we repress, it comes out in,you know, different ways that
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perhaps aren't appropriate,aren't helpful to others or
ourselves.
But what I love about the genekeys is that it offers the gift
in like the divine gift.
those, those higher levels ofconsciousness.
So it gives us a, a way tounderstand that, Oh, this isn't
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an icky part of me, or thisisn't something that, um, I
don't have to continue todislike.
There's a gift here.
And when I was reading about the34th gene key, which shows up
Two times in my, in my profile,which folks, if you want to go
to jinkies.
com, you can get your ownprofile.
It's, it's kind of like creatingan astrology chart.
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You put in the, your, uh, timeof birth, the city state, the
birth date, all of that, butwhen I was reading about the
34th jinky, which is aboutforce, that shadow of.
Doing, doing, doing, trying,trying, trying.
Um, I thought, Oh my gosh,that's like a story of my life.
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I gotta, I gotta take like abreath.
Really think about like, it justoffers insight.
And that's what I love and Ilove.
And we'll touch on this to howhe, how he explains the program
it's, it's not that we need moreinformation, although this is
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information for us to digest,but it's waking us up, it's
developing insight throughcontemplation.
And just being with, with thisand it, it can be uncomfortable,
but still it's something that wecan't run away from.
Yeah.
It's so true.
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And, um, you know, I was justtalking to a client yesterday,
we just started working with hergene keys and I was telling her,
um, because it's all aboutawareness, right?
Kristen, it's like all aboutawareness.
And I was telling her, you know,it doesn't even.
Matter if she goes ahead anddoes the, the shadowy thing,
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which in this case of the 34th,it's like to force things like
to, to literally go against theuniverse and think that we
little us have the capability toforce something that doesn't
want to happen.
Richard Rudd.
I love this, uh, analogy that hemakes.
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He says, it's like.
And he tells people, it's like,really feel this in your body,
like every cell in your body,when you try to force a round
peg into a square hole, it'slike that, like it won't go.
Right.
But people with a 34th in, insignificant placements in their,
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uh, gene key profile, We'llrecognize this, you know, we all
have some of these, you know, alittle bit of all the gene keys
in us, right?
But if it's in a, a significantplacement in the profile, then
we might feel it a little bitmore than others.
And, um, so the point isn'tlike, in this case, not to
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force.
Um, at least initially, it'sjust the awareness that you are
forcing.
And even that can be like, Oh myGod, I'm doing it again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and developing, like yousaid, that awareness and, and
not needing to fix it or, ortrial will try.
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Cause he brings up the star Warsmetaphor, you know, with Yoda
saying, uh, when LukeSkywalker's really trying to
force what that.
That, um, ship member to raiseit up and he's trying to use
the, the, you know, the forceforcefully.
And, uh, I think that was thescene and Yoda said, do or do
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not.
There is no try.
Yes.
Cause, cause, uh, Luke Skywalkeris saying, I'm trying, I'm
trying.
Yeah.
Maybe that's what that was.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's like, do.
Or do not, there is no try.
And I also, when I heard that, Iwas like, Oh my God.
Yes.
No, uh, you and I both have a 34in significant placement.
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It sounds like, and so gosh, howmuch of my life I've spent doing
that.
And this is the beauty of thegene keys is like, cause you
might think, well, that's justwho I am.
That's just what I do.
That's you know, um, butactually no, it's not who you
are.
So the 34th gene key it's forceis the shadow strength is the
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gift.
Yeah.
Right.
And then.
The city is I can't rememberwhat the city is.
It's majesty, majesty I lovewhat he says about force because
when we're forcing somethinglike, for example, I worked at,
um, right out of college.
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I got a job at wired magazineand my undergraduate degree was
in religious studies and I lovedit.
And here I am.
I live in San Francisco.
I know I have to pay rent.
So I get a job in humanresources.
I have no idea what that is.
I'm working in businessadministration.
I don't have a clue.
And I'm, I'm moving up.
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I'm there for, you know, yearafter year, I don't like it, but
I'm just there.
And I'm for, I'm forcing, I'mforcing, I'm forcing, I'm
staying in this job.
And I could think of a milliondifferent examples of, of that,
but it's like tunnel vision.
And I'm in my head.
And when he talks about fours.
It's, it's a construct of themind, right?
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So we're not in our power inthat sacral area where a lot of
that power is where there isn'tforce.
It's more of like you'reconnected to the flow of life
rather than being up in yourhead, trying to make something
happen.
Like you said, with the puttingthe, what was it?
The square peg in the round holeor however that works.
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I was trying to force myselfinto a.
In a situation that had nothingto, was not in alignment with me
at all.
Does that make sense?
It makes perfect sense.
The interesting thing about the34th, um, because within all the
gene keys, there are what'scalled programming partners.
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So they're connected to anothergene key.
And the 34th is connected to the20th gene key.
And, uh, the shadow of the 20thgene key is superficiality.
So it's almost like, and it is,uh, self assurance of that gene
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key and the city is presence.
So it's almost like when we'rebeing superficial.
We're also in that forcingenergy, like you said, like you
were doing that job, not reallybeing who you are, like feeling
like you have to do it.
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I gotta, you know, toe the lineand do all this stuff.
So, um, the more we get into ourself assurance and our presence,
the more we can sort of liftourselves out of that force
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energy into strength, which is,you know, strength is, is very
feminine.
It's very pliable.
It's almost like when I think ofstrength, I think of, you know,
Like palm trees, you know, howpalm trees are always, they're
always on coastal regions,right?
So, because when it's reallywindy, those palm trees need to
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bend, right?
And they do, it's remarkable.
And they do, and they don'tbreak.
Well, I mean, they could breakif it's, you know, um, but.
You know, I think, uh,culturally we think of strength
as like, you know, strong andhard and, you know, that sort of
thing.
Whereas, um, strength really is.
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It's very feminine and pliable.
And I know, um, for myself, whenI feel that, that I'm in that
forcing, cause I still do itnow.
Yeah.
I was doing it like an hour ago.
I was like, Oh my gosh, this is,I, I do, I, because the 34th is
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also a, a, a, a, a Deeplyembodied gene key.
It's very much about being inour body.
So I try to think about, I try,I think about the, the self
assurance and the presence.
Cause I, I, when I think aboutthe 34th, I can't help, but
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think about the 20th becausethat will, they both help each
other is what I'm trying to say.
Yeah.
So I, in my mind, in my heart, Ianchor myself deep into my body.
And when I do that, it reallyhelps me to come out of that
forcing energy because forcingenergy is it's of the mind.
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It's like, I got to do this.
And we had this vision.
That's why I just, it reallywoke me up when I was reading
his, um, description of forcecomes from the mind.
And he used.
And that's the example ofmartial arts and how the, the
strength, um, comes from thatsacral area and all of the
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neural neural network that, thatwe there's almost like there's a
brain there in the sacral area,or it's connected to the brain.
I can't remember how he wasdescribing it.
Sorry, everyone, I'm still newto this, but that there is a
presence that's has no words,has no, um, Um, thought process
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or it's processes.
It's just, it is and how to tapinto that presence.
And I imagine for me, To use me,me as an example, using my
meditation and mindfulness andkind of connecting the dots of,
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okay, this is where my mind'sgoing.
Um, I don't need to force thissituation or force whatever I'm
trying to do in my life to, likeyou say, have the self
assurance.
And I, and for me, it's alsoabout faith.
What do you think?
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Oh, I think, yes, like faith andtrust are deeply connected to
the 34th gene key.
Cause he talks about thesurvival.
Oh, I'm so sorry.
He talks about the survival ofthe reptilian brain.
And it's about.
It's about survival in a way.
That's why it's so deeply rootedin the body.
Correct?
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Yes.
And, and because it's like wethink, Oh, you know, the
universe or spirit doesn't knowwhat it's doing.
So I, I need to force it likeme, Shannon, are you Kristen?
Right.
And to think that.
You know, so that's where thetrust piece comes in, that I
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don't have to do all of this allby myself.
I can trust in the, the wisdomof life.
And if we, it's like, you know,that, um, superficiality.
If we trust that, like, let'stake that job you were talking
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about.
Um, If at that time you couldhave come into a place of trust
and really understanding thisjob, just, it isn't me, you
know, it, it isn't me.
And I'm going to let it go andtrust.
That something better will comemy way.
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Oh gosh.
I couldn't have been furtherfrom my mind.
I think I was in so much fear.
Yes.
And that's what the shadow is.
Yeah, it's our shadow in, inwhatever gene key we're talking
about.
Um, the shadow is always fear.
It's fear based and, and.
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You know, many of us live therea lot of our life.
Myself included.
Oh yeah.
And so it's like, it's aunlocking these gene keys is a
journey.
It's not like a, you know, oneand done kind of fix it sort of
thing.
You know, I've been studying itfor probably about six years
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now.
And still I find like evenyesterday, I won't go into it,
but yesterday I was like, no, gointo it.
I love it.
Share, share what you just, whatyou found out.
Well, it was, you know, becauseI've been studying, uh, Chiron a
lot in astrology.
Oh my goodness.
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I love that in astrology.
I, mine's in the house.
I would love to see your genekeys, Kristen, you know,
because, uh, do you mind measking where your Chiron is in
your chart?
Do you feel like sharing that?
Chiron is in my fifth house.
Okay.
Mine's in the eighth.
So I'm, I'm with you.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Okay.
Um, and so then I got tothinking.
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I know Chiron is within the genekeys, you know, where is it?
Um, it's our, our core wound orour vocation gene key.
And, um, so I was looking at mygene keys and I was looking at,
uh, my mom's gene keys and, uh,the gene keys of someone who,
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um, wasn't, was just, has been,uh, kind of, uh, a force in my
life that taught me a lot oflessons.
And, um, my mom and this personhad the same core wound or same
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vocation, Jinky.
So I was like, I need to dogreater study on this because
isn't that fascinating thatlessons we learn right will
often trigger our core wound?
Yes.
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And then, like, if the job isn'tdone, so to speak, you may run
into another person to triggerthat core wound.
And it's all.
For our healing there.
It is a difficult experience,but it is so incredibly, I'm so
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grateful to have those, um, whatyou're describing and also
having someone, a stranger, aperson that I know remind me,
and it could be a veryuncomfortable experience, but
reminding me, okay, I need toyou.
Think about this or self reflector, uh, this isn't quite done
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yet.
Do you know what I'm saying?
And I think we might be talkingabout a little bit of different
things, but it's like datingkind of a similar type of
person, you know, and we're notquite done with, um, with that
lesson.
It keeps showing up and as hardas it can be.
Wow.
What a gift that whether it'sthe universe or our soul
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attracting it, or who knows whatit's, it's just, it's profound.
It really is.
And it's, um, I mean, there aremany times in my life that I
would not have looked at it thatway.
Oh, me too.
Oh, yeah.
Being on the other side of a lotof pain.
Um, now I was just hiking thismorning and I was like, wow, the
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universe is like brilliant andhow lucky am I that I got the
opportunity to experience thisand come out on the other side.
Yes.
Because, you know, we're, whenwe're strongly drawn to someone,
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that's a clue, right?
That they have some medicinethat we need.
And it could be a bucket full ofpain.
It, you know, it usually is, butif we can, um, work through it,
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And, and that's the, with thegene keys, Richard Rudd talks a
lot about sitting with our pain,you know, and not trying to fix
it or, or make it go away.
It's not that we can't seek helpor anything like that.
It's just that the pain istrying to tell us something.
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It's trying to tell us, youknow, where, where we're wounded
to help us to, to heal that.
And it takes a lifetime.
I mean, I'm talking 30 years ofmy life and finally I get it.
Yeah.
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Incredible.
I love what you said too.
About when you're really in painand you're really suffering,
it's hard to, to recognize thatwhat you're going through is an
opportunity or a gift to becomemore self aware, to develop more
insight.
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And I, what I'm, what I'msensing from what you're saying,
and I can relate it to my ownlife, the more insight we
develop, or the more self awarewe become, the more The more
resilient we become.
So even if we get knocked downand we're like, Oh my God, like
how many times do I need to, youknow, experience this thing.
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We, we have this resiliencethat, uh, that really needs to
be acknowledged.
And honored.
Right?
Absolutely.
I've, because I didn't, I didn'treally realize that this was a
thing.
This, um, I, I've coined it thepilgrimage, like, you know, our
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pilgrimage through life.
And then, um, more recently Iread, um, Pema Chodron's book,
uh, how we live is how we die.
Oh, amazing book.
If, if anybody wants to pick itup, she's just, I love Pema.
She's, I've picked up her booksalong the way, but I learned
something new in this particularbook because it's already
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called, it's already a thing.
And in the Buddhist tradition,they call it the Bardo, that
life is like Then it's down andit's up and it's down.
And just to get used to it, getused to, you know, sometimes
life is going to feel prettygood and then it's not going to
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feel that great.
I think in our culture, we'retaught that there is sort of
this upward trajectory that weshould, life should keep getting
better.
And so every time we experiencea downfall, we think, man,
there's something wrong with me.
Like, why is my life, you know,like this when I'm supposed to
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be here, wherever there is.
Yes.
And to, to, and that's part ofbeing with the pain.
It's just that.
And, and the wave of life, thepilgrimage of life, or the Bardo
of life that it goes up and itgoes down.
And the more we get used tothat, that pliability, that
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strength to be with ourselves,no matter what.
Wow.
That is everything.
That is everything.
And that's resilience.
That is acceptance.
It's, it's everything.
It's, it's the flow of life.
Just like what you said.
And I love your, um, themetaphor of the palm tree.
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Yeah.
I think there's, um, it's ashame because there's so, I've
been looking at this quite a bitrecently.
The, the things that are beingsold, especially in the kind of
like the self help, um, industrykind of like, well, here, here
(27:58):
are the five things you need todo, or I almost feel like, and I
don't have an, an example tooffer right now, but there isn't
a quick fix, like you said, andI feel like some of this stuff
that I'm seeing is, is more oflike, here, here's a way to
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bypass.
Yeah.
Your, your deep emotions oryour, uh, uncomfortable feelings
or whatever isn't, um, whateveryou're going through that, um,
uh, you don't want to sit with,like you said, absolutely.
And, uh, you know, my whole,well, I think I shared with you
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on the, on the last podcast thatwe did of, um, you know, being.
very anorexic as a young girl.
And, um, that had a lot of thisgene key, the 34th gene key in
it, like forcing my body to dosomething that it couldn't do.
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And so I stopped eating, forceit.
You will be smaller, you will bethinner, you will.
And I, and I willed my body to,um, you know, just.
starvation mode.
Right.
And, um, And then from there,you know, I studied nutrition
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and, and different types of, um,medicine, traditional Chinese
medicine, functional medicine,all to learn ways to fix.
I realized, I realized, and, uh,and now I'm like, Oh, I really,
you know, when I talk to peopleabout food, I really have to,
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there has to be a caveat for me.
Like this is not to fix you.
Like I can give you somerecommendations and we can talk
about it, but it's a very fineline for me now that I
understand.
Or that I, you know, I guess weall have our journey through
life and this has just been minethat, um, I thought, Oh, yeah,
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you know, I can help fix peopleand now I more want to help
people be with themselves, bewith their pain and, um, develop
that resilience like you'retalking about, or, or be able to
surrender to To life and that wedon't, we don't have to fix it.
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Even if it's not fixed, we canstill live.
A, a good life, a present life,a life of strength without all
of that, without like, okay, youknow, eat this way, do these
exercises, do the, you know,it's all about the doing all of
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it's more about the being thatI'm interested in now.
And I think it honors the, ourinherent ability to heal
ourselves.
Yeah.
Because there's healinghappening, whether we're aware
of it or not, or not, the moreinsight we develop, the more
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skills we have to sit in mindfulpresence and be quiet and let
those feelings come forward.
There's so much healing and wemay not be aware of, of how much
actually, um, but the more we'rewith ourselves and the more we
honor who we are, no matterwhat, um, one thing that I.
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was really, uh, struck by when Iwas reading about the 34th gene
key is that I have OCD.
And one of the aspects of the34th gene key is that mental
loop in the mind.
And Even though I believe OCDcould be hereditary, I think
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they may be coming up with thattheory, or I don't know if
they've proven it.
I don't know.
I think it was a way for me tomanage the home environment that
I was in.
It was my way of shuttingeverything out.
And forcing or trying to makesomething a certain way so I
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could feel safe.
Um, I had a very difficult homeenvironment.
So for me, looking at it throughthe lens of my counseling
background or however, I'm like,Oh, that was a perfect coping
mechanism for a highly sensitivechild who was in chaos, right?
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So I'm fortunate that I foundtreatment for it and the
symptoms are, are very low.
It isn't disruptive anymore.
However, it has, The, the way mybrain is wired, I can see how I
can, you know, act out theforcefulness or have this idea
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of, okay, this is what I, I wantto make and it's gotta be a
certain way.
There are things, there areelements about it that still are
there.
Um, so I think what I, I really.
Really resonate with what you'resaying about the way it showed
up for you with the anorexia.
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Cause I think it was in a waysimilar to how I was managing.
Very similar.
Yeah.
Our mind thinks I remember backup into the mind.
Like for me, if I make my body acertain way, I'll feel better
and I'll feel safe.
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You make your environment acertain way.
You'll feel better and you'llfeel safe.
Oh, without a doubt.
I mean, my Duran Duran poster,Shannon.
They had to be, I was makingsure they were like straight
and, you know, all sorts.
Who knows what would happen ifthey weren't straight, right?
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And my hair was feathered acertain, you know, with the
feather, like, oh, it wastorture.
Right.
Perfectionism shows up in this34th gene key for sure.
Um, because that's what theforce is.
It's like not allowinghaphazardness.
Or, you know, to gain a fewpounds or to have a poster a
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little off, it's, you know, offkilter.
It's like, Oh no, you know, Um,you know, I remember, um, when I
was anorexic, uh, and I hadalmost stopped eating
completely, but maybe I'd havean apple, um, I would have to go
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run, like go running outside,um, to burn off the calories of
the apple.
And also I couldn't, um, I don'tknow if you experienced this,
Kristen, but there was also likea very harsh inner critic.
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Oh, oh, oh my goodness.
Oh my goodness.
Yes.
Because it was all aboutperfection for me.
Yes.
It's like, oh, you're too,you're, you're too weak.
You had to have that apple.
Okay.
Now you're going to be punished.
And so you have to go.
So a lot of the reason I stoppedeating was because I, I
couldn't.
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stand the voice.
I couldn't stand the brutalityof the voice.
And so it was easier for me tostop eating than to eat and be
punished.
By myself, essentially,essentially.
So yeah, and the, and RichardRudd talks about this gene key
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can have deep brutality.
I think he uses those exactwords.
I saw that word or yes, severaltimes when we're living in the
shadow, this, and this is the,this is the, the danger, I
guess, of not dealing with ouremotions.
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Yes, because the brutality, iteither comes out toward ourself
or it comes out toward otherpeople.
And so to dig in here and looklike, look at ourselves and
what's going on and be.
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Our pain, because a lot of whatwe're talking about too, is the
avoidance of the pain.
If I make my space perfect, if Imake my body perfect, then I
don't have to feel the pain ofanything.
So I remember what he was sayingabout, about, uh, it's either
repressed.
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Or it's really out therebullying.
So it's like a one or the other,at least the extremes of it.
So mine, like I, I think yourstoo, if I may assume is, is it
was repressed.
So my goodness, it's still hardfor me to, to express my anger.
I can cry more now, but that waswork to Shannon.
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Like I would have to watch amovie.
Like I wouldn't go and say, Oh,I need to cry.
So I'm going to watch a movie.
But when I would see a movie andI would start crying, I was
like, Oh, thank God.
But now it comes out, but justto feel my emotions, so hard for
me.
Yes.
That too, like for me too, willcontinue to be.
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a journey.
Yeah.
Right.
That's why we, we, we thinkthese things should be quick,
you know, like, um, that Ishould, Oh, I should be over
this by now.
But what I've come, come tounderstand is that it's just,
it's just, it's a journey and wecan't, we can't rush it and we
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can't force it.
And, um, to learn compassion forourselves.
I mean, compassion is a, is a, akey of the gene keys.
Um, he talks about compassion alot, compassion for ourselves,
compassion for other people, um,because we're all on this planet
(38:55):
doing the best we can.
Right.
And, um, yeah, the brutalitytoward ourselves or other people
just, It's not the way to go,right?
And I think our world needscompassion now more than ever,
right?
(39:16):
And it's, it's, um, it's workfor each of us to do
individually, like doing our ownwork.
can help with this compassionbecause then when we're doing
our own work, um, we can thenoffer compassion to other
people.
But if we're deeply suffering,it's very hard to see or to have
(39:42):
compassion for someone else.
Like, you know, people who havehurt us in our life, right?
When we're, we're in that, whenwe're in that pain and that
suffering, it's, it's very hardto see them for anything, but
you did this to me, right?
But then when we start doing ourwork and we feel more compassion
toward ourselves, we can kind oflook at them with softer eyes
(40:04):
and be like, yeah, they were ina lot of pain too.
Absolutely.
And that opens so much in termsof reconciliation and
forgiveness.
Yes.
Like I always think ofreconciliation and forgiveness
is kind of like, Not to saythat.
(40:29):
I mean, that could be a wholelifetime too, but it's, and it's
not to say that we need tocomplete the healing cycle, but
some of us will in this lifetimesay, be able to reconcile and
forgive, whether it's ourselvesor others, or even, you know,
those one or two people that,that we really, um, had
(40:51):
difficulty with in our lives.
But I, I believe that thatopens.
The, the path of of that work,and to we raise our vibration
and I know that's thrown aroundso much but even if we don't.
Like what you're saying, fixsomething.
(41:13):
Like I don't know if I'll everfix the OCD or I certainly am
not overcome by it.
It's not ruling my life.
Um, but it, it offers havinggone through that, like what
you're talking about.
Oh my gosh, I'm able to, to havecompassion for myself and sit
(41:40):
with someone who is anincredible amount of pain and
hear their story.
So it, like you said, it's notreally a matter of fixing it.
It's just a matter of, ofacknowledging it and accepting
it and being with it andallowing that to be, like you
(42:02):
said, the journey, thepilgrimage and If we let it, we
can, we can become moreconnected with others, I think
is what I'm trying to say, likethe brothers and sisters that
(42:23):
we're sharing this planet with,even if it's a smile, even if
it's more presence with thecheckout person at the store,
more presence with someone else.
I, I really believe that.
That those moments are morepowerful and healing than we're
aware of.
Yes, I agree.
Like even just to, um, becauseit's true.
(42:47):
Like I, when I was so wrapped upin my own pain, I couldn't
really.
I didn't have a lot to give toother people, even like the
checkout person at the, at thestore.
And even I remember, um, when Ifirst moved to New Mexico and,
(43:12):
uh, I had gotten a job, um,after I, after a training I did
here, I'd gotten a job, um, as,uh, the front desk person at,
um, the New Mexico Academy ofHealing Arts.
And at that same time, um, I wasexperiencing a lot of pain in my
(43:35):
life.
And, um, I almost got firedbecause I was not nice to the
people on the phone.
And looking back at the time, Iwas like, Oh gosh, you're so
embarrassed.
Right.
When I was called in to betalked to about my attitude.
And, um, at the time, yeah, justlike, oh, wow, they're noticing
(44:02):
that I'm so angry.
And now looking back, I realizedthat, um, it was my own, I was
in such pain that I didn't havepatience for other people.
I didn't have patience orcompassion for their problems.
I couldn't even have that withmyself.
And so it came out at otherpeople.
(44:23):
And so this is the power of thiskind of work, um, that we free
ourselves from this pain.
I, I literally feel, I feel freefrom a lot of my pain.
I, and it's nothing necessarilythat I did.
(44:47):
It was really just recognizingthat I was doing it and then
realizing that I don't want todo that anymore.
Yeah.
It offers choice.
Yeah.
Right.
It offers.
Once you've gotten to a certainplace, right, because, because I
(45:07):
do recognize that sometimes,like if you're in the depths of
pain, it's really hard to seeany of what we're talking about.
Oh, for sure.
You know, it's got to take itsown.
Course almost.
Um, but the more we sit with it,sit in it and allow ourselves to
(45:30):
feel, which is so hard for somany people, but I promise the
more we do that, the more welearn to do that, the easier it
gets.
Yes.
Oh, it's so true.
It easier gets.
And I, I, I see it as like acommitment.
It's a commitment, not, not forthe work, but a commitment to
(45:56):
ourselves.
Like I am going to, and I thinkthis gets just back to self love
and that's a whole path in andof itself.
But I'm not going to give up onmyself.
Yes.
And I, I feel that I perhaps didso many times in, in different
(46:18):
ways that it takes perhapssomething really big.
I think to wake us up to go, youknow what?
No, I'm not going to give up onmyself.
I'm not, I'm worth it.
Yes.
I'm worth it.
And even if the self love isn't,you know, at a high level,
there's something, there'ssomething that is driving us to,
(46:45):
to not give up.
And perhaps that could be achild, something that's asking
us to really, you know, committo ourselves.
Um, yeah.
Yeah.
Um, I, I, that's true.
It's like, I like what you said,like, I'm not going to give up
(47:10):
on myself.
And something I haven't reallytalked about is, is, um, also
boundaries, you know, cause I'vetalked a lot about compassion
until this and all of that forourselves and other people, but
also, um, boundaries are veryimportant.
Um, to recognize that, you know,we're worth something.
(47:35):
And sometimes that means thatthere is an end of a
relationship.
With someone that, um, hasdeeply hurt us, uh, and just
having that boundary forourselves.
So that's part of, uh, part ofit too.
You can still work on forgivingsomebody without having them in
(48:01):
your life.
Oh, isn't that the truth?
Yes.
Absolutely.
Yes.
That needs to be said too.
And what a difficult, I don'twant to put that out there too
much, but.
It can be an obstacle if we'rehoping or waiting for an
apology, but we can still do it.
(48:23):
We can.
We can.
Absolutely.
And I, and it's like, um, for methat kind of, that also speaks
to earlier when I said we canrecognize that that person too
was in pain.
Yeah.
And for me, that's where theforgiveness comes from.
(48:47):
Like, yeah, I, I know that painalso, and I know how hard it is
to be with.
And so I can lend that tosomebody, but that doesn't mean
I need to let them back in mylife.
Yes.
Right.
I think that's just a, and thathas to do with self caring for
(49:12):
ourselves.
Um, like I am responsible formyself and there are people that
I can have in my life and thereare people that I can't have in
my life and that's okay.
That's right.
(49:32):
That's so beautiful.
Another thing, and I think wemight close here is.
I believe that however wepractice self awareness or
insight, discernment comes towith what you're saying.
(49:52):
Um, that insight, thatcontemplation, that sitting with
our strong emotions, howeverlong that takes, um, cause there
is no final goal, right?
There's no like, you know, we'redoing it as we can do it, but
discernment is, is so valuable.
(50:14):
With the insight that we getfrom ourselves or about
ourselves so we can make thosedecisions.
Oh, you know, this is a type ofperson that is not, um,
respecting me because I'mrespecting myself more.
Yeah.
(50:35):
And, and I think, um, I lovethat word discernment and, and
it's also about trustingourselves.
Yeah.
Take care of ourselves, like notto put ourselves in harm's way.
Yes.
Right.
So that's a call.
Yes.
That, that, that is part of, um,being the caretaker of ourselves
(51:03):
and healing, like to know, um,to have that discernment, like,
I know who is or should be hereright now.
And I know who shouldn't be hereright now.
And that's the discernment.
(51:23):
And that's the, we begin totrust ourselves when we make,
when we start making betterdecisions.
About who we allow in our lifeand who we don't.
And I, I think at least for mewith, uh, being a victim of
emotional abuse, that road hasbeen a long one for me
(51:47):
discernment, especially forpeople who it could be for
anyone, but for people who arehighly sensitive and our healers
are natural, you know, empaths,healers, highly sensitive
people.
There's a.
There's a, at least speaking formyself, I want to trust.
(52:13):
I want to believe I want, I wantto love.
It's interesting.
I want to love everyone.
It's a very, it's a veryinteresting, very tricky feeling
that I have where I'm like,well, I need to sit with this.
Do you know what I mean?
I mean, obviously I'm nothugging every single, well, I
(52:34):
could hug every single personthat I see.
Yeah.
But for me, I really need totake a time out.
I need to really have a momentand use my intuition.
And it sometimes it takes longerfor me to really understand my
motivation of, Oh, I'd love tohave a friendship with this
(52:55):
person.
And I'm not noticing the redflags maybe.
Um, and of course my discernmentis much better, but I think for
some people, we need more time.
Yes.
And, um, you bring up a goodpoint about, um, being a
sensitive person and that thatis a, a tremendous, Gift, being
(53:22):
sensitive.
Um, and we do, um, I feel haveto learn that again and again,
like, yeah, we think everybody'slike good and, and, and, and
want to see the good ineverybody.
And I would say, you know, at aperson's core, there is good,
(53:47):
but there's too, for somepeople, there's too much in the
way of that.
And, um, you know, it, itreminds me again of, of Chiron,
known as the wounded healer.
You know, Chiron spent his, hiswhole life trying to heal
himself.
(54:07):
And, um, and this is from, youknow, uh, Greek mythology, but.
Um, it shows up in astrology towhere Chiron is in your chart,
but, um, many, many people whorelate to, um, being in the
healing profession or a healer,um, probably has a strong
(54:29):
placement of Chiron.
And that's the thing about, youknow, being wounded again and
again and again, but that that'swhat creates the medicine.
To be able to help anybody else.
(54:50):
We can't really, if we don'tknow pain, if we don't
understand that process, there'sno way you can help anybody.
No, you can't learn it in abook.
You can not learn it in a book.
No.
It comes from our life, right?
And part of that is.
(55:10):
That's why you're taught thatboundary, like who gets, who
gets in and who, and whodoesn't.
Yes.
And it's like, it's a, it's a,it's a continual lesson, right?
Like, like we're still like,okay.
Um, you know, have to assess.
(55:34):
Probably a big part of you,Kristen, like a big part of me
wants to believe like, Oh, yes,this person is, um, you know,
they want the best for me and,and, uh, and some people just
aren't there.
It's a, it's a matter of selfawareness and it's a very
(55:56):
compassionate way of, of lookingat it.
And I think that's the biggesttakeaway.
Perhaps at least for me, whatwe're talking about is that
let's, as we're with ourselvesand learning about ourselves and
developing insight andawareness, whether it's with the
(56:17):
gene keys or whatever method weuse, having compassion for
ourselves.
Not sitting say in meditation orat our journal or at our
counselor's office, hoping tofix, but just how can we learn
to live in a life that It'smostly an unknown experience,
(56:42):
right?
How can we bend like the palmtree and how can we find the joy
as we're developing the insightsto, and not just hoping to fix
something else.
Like what a miracle to have aninsight.
What a miracle.
(57:03):
And sometimes it's just enoughthat day and having to like,
we're talking about with theforcing, you know, my gosh, we,
we don't need to like with theforce become this perfect,
whatever, can we just allowourselves to be.
And, and real, I think, or animportant insight for me is that
(57:25):
I, I have little control overanything aside from how I.
And respond or react.
It comes back to us, right?
Like we can't control one singlething, like anything outside of
(57:48):
us.
There's nothing we can control.
The only thing is it comes backto us.
It comes back to our heart andhow we are in our life.
And that's the whole point, Ibelieve.
in the Gene Keys is to, tobecome aware of how we are being
(58:16):
and then to keep noticing it.
Like I said to my client theother day, um, it's not, the
point isn't to stop doing it.
The point is right now to justnotice that you do it.
Oh my gosh.
Wow.
I did that again.
And I did that again.
Again.
Yeah.
And then just over time, wejust, It's, it's interesting how
(58:42):
people soften over time, themore we, it's kind of brought
out into the light.
They call it a shadow for areason.
That's right.
It loves the darkness.
It loves when we don't see itand we're just that, and it's a
very heavy energy.
But when you start to see it,it's like, oh, oh my gosh, there
(59:04):
it is again.
It is the path of, oftransformation is just being
able to see it so it doesn't actout in hidden ways.
That's right.
It doesn't hurt ourselves orother people.
And that's really, I mean, Whatcould you, what more could you
(59:28):
ask for?
Really?
I mean, I, I really don't think,yes, I, I, cause if we're, cause
we're here really on the planet,like that's a good question to
ask ourselves, you know, why arewe here?
Right.
If not to, um, evolve as a soul.
(59:50):
Yes.
Right.
Like from a soul place and, andthat's what the gene keys are.
And then, and then from evolvingfrom that soul place, then
potentially like our work in theworld, you know, we have
something to give something tooffer.
Yes.
(01:00:10):
Um, yes.
What else are we, what are wedoing if we're not, if we're not
doing that, right.
I mean, and that's all we needto do.
I think I can, I can imagine,uh, And this isn't, um, to make
light of, of someone who goesthrough a life, you know,
(01:00:33):
without much awareness, becausewho knows what gifts they're
giving other people because ofthat.
But I can imagine, you know,meeting, like say you pass away
and you go to, you see yourspirit guides or whomever up in
the spirit world.
And they wanted to accomplish somany things.
(01:00:54):
And they learn like, Oh, youjust needed just to be who you
are.
You just needed to be, you know,we weren't expecting any of
that.
So that's something that I thinkabout for myself is, you know,
this drive that I have to do oraccomplish or whatever.
(01:01:23):
I have to really check myselfand go, well, what, what is
that?
Is that.
And it's okay to have, you know,a drive and it's okay to want to
accomplish, but it's, it'ssomething interesting to look at
and to see, and to see if it'sreally something that is
important.
(01:01:43):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, I have that, uh, that driveto Kristen and I often like I do
sometimes I'm just like, well,maybe.
You know, I just, um, come incontact with whoever I do, you
know, and, um, not cause I'mvery aware.
(01:02:05):
I love that.
We're talking about this genekey.
I'm very aware of the forcingwhenever I see myself doing it.
And if I feel that, that energyof, I'm trying to, Put a round
peg into a square hole.
I literally physically will moveback, like either take my hands
(01:02:27):
off the computer or, uh, youknow, walk away from an email or
something physically walk awayfrom it, because that isn't, um,
that isn't how I want to createmy life.
(01:02:47):
It's, it's, I want it to be.
Allowing and not pushing and notstriving and, and forcing and
proving and all of that.
And um, so again, even I isstill aware, like, Oh, I'm doing
that again.
(01:03:08):
And I can, for me, it works tophysically remove myself from
whatever activity I'm doing thathas that energy to it.
Yes.
Thank you.
If it's coming from a heartplace and I love what I'm doing
and it's just, I'm in the flow,that's different.
But if I'm like grasping orlike, Oh, I got to make this
happen.
Um, that's not a healthy energyfor me.
(01:03:32):
That's a really good, a goodreminder.
I think for anyone, whether theyhave the 34th gene key, uh, in
their, in their chart or not.
Yeah, it's a really goodreminder.
Oh, thank you.
This has been great.
This has just been a great.
I love fluid discussion.
(01:03:55):
I love talking with you.
Let folks know how to reach youand, and what perhaps some of
the offerings that you can do.
That you have.
Yeah.
Um, cause I told you last timeon our podcast that I was
creating my website and I am,but it is not done.
(01:04:15):
Oh man.
That's a beast.
It's a beast.
And, and, and, you know, to doit in a way that I, I want to,
so, um, you can reach me atShannon at Shannon C plumber.
com.
That's my email.
And, um, Um, you know, I'm, whatI'm doing now are sessions like
(01:04:36):
this to help people, um,understand, like if, if you're
in a lot of pain right now, orjust interested in, in learning
about yourself, the Gene Keys isa great way to do that.
So I do Gene Keys sessions, Ido, um, intuitive guidance
sessions, um, that's more thework I'm doing right now.
(01:05:00):
Oh, I love it.
I love it.
And the more work I do withparents of special needs
children, which is, is my focus,I'm going to be sending a lot of
people your way.
Oh, thank you.
Cause I just think it's soimportant for the parenting
aspect, for the caregivingaspect.
(01:05:24):
Um, it's so helpful.
So thank you for everything thatyou're doing.
Yeah.
And thank you.
Um, thanks for having me.
And, uh, I just, I had a greattime.
Oh, I did too.
I did too.
Well, thank you everyone.
Have a wonderful week.
Take care of yourself and muchlove, much love to you.
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