24: Demystifying Hormone Health: with Nurse Practitioner Meagan Wempe

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What if that persistent brain fog, unexplained weight gain, or crushing fatigue isn't "just aging" but your body crying out for hormone support? Join host Tara Mychelle and functional medicine expert and Nurse Practitioner, Meagan Wempe as they shatter myths about hormone therapy and reveal why hormone health matters decades before menopause.

Hormones play a pivotal role in our overall health starting much earlier than most people realize, affecting everything from brain function to physical strength to emotional wellbeing. Functional medicine practitioner Meagan Wempe shares insights on how conventional healthcare often misses critical hormone imbalances and why starting hormone testing in our 20s and 30s is crucial for optimal health.

• Conventional healthcare allocates just seven minutes per patient, making it impossible to properly diagnose complex hormone issues
• Both men and women should establish baseline hormone levels in their teens and twenties
• Bioidentical hormones are safer and more effective than synthetic versions that caused concerns in older studies
• Hormone optimization affects muscle maintenance, brain function, heart health, and bone density
• Progesterone acts as the body's "peace hormone," helping with sleep, anxiety, and emotional balance
• Testosterone benefits both men and women, improving muscle mass, mood, and cognitive function
• People who maintain hormone optimization into their 70s and beyond enjoy dramatically better quality of life
• Comprehensive testing should include thyroid panels, sex hormones, cortisol, and insulin levels
• Environmental toxins and modern lifestyle factors are disrupting hormone function earlier than in previous generations

Most powerfully, Meagan explains the stark difference she observes between patients who optimize their hormones and those who don't: by their 70s, those with balanced hormones maintain independence, strength, and vitality while others struggle with basic mobility. This isn't just about adding years to life but adding life to your years—being able to throw hay bales at 80 or get on the floor with grandchildren without thinking twice.

If you'd like to learn more about hormone optimization or find functional medicine providers in your area, search for "integrative medicine" or "functional medicine" practitioners who specialize in bioidentical hormone replacement therapy.

You can find Meagan Wempe, NP and the rest of the team at Trinity Balanced Family Healthcare

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
In today's episode we are talking about hormones.
So, ladies, listen in, and, men, if you're listening, there's a
little information abouthormones for you too.
We're also going to startlooking at, or talking about
when do you start looking athormones, the impact that not
managing or monitoring yourhormones can have, and are
hormones dangerous?

(00:20):
Also, we'll talk about thechallenges providers face in
order to give you the propercare that you require.
So let's buckle up and getstarted.
Here we go.
Welcome back to the IntuitiveMentor Mom Podcast, where we
explore strategies for growingconfidence, empowerment and
gaining clarity for midlife moms, when life is happening for you

(00:43):
and not to you.
Clarity for midlife moms whenlife is happening for you and
not to you.
You can be living the life offreedom, fun and bliss.
I'm your host, tara, michelle.
Let's get to it.
Welcome to today's show.
I am very excited to have a veryspecial guest to me.
She has been my longtimeprovider, megan Wimpey.
She is my nurse practitioner.

(01:03):
I've been working with her fornine years.
She's incredible.
She's a lifelong Texan.
She was born in Round Rock,graduated from Round Rock High
School.
She and her husband of over 18years value their time together.
They have three amazing sonsand a German shepherd named Cash
.
So Megan holds a bachelor andmaster's of science in nursing

(01:26):
from the University of MaryHarden Baylor and she maintains
a certification by the AmericanAssociation of Nurse
Practitioners.
As a family practitioner, shehas nearly 20 years of
experience, includes pediatric,intermediate and intensive care,
10 years of primary health careand over nine years of

(01:48):
integrative medicine.
Megan has a true servant'sheart I will attest to that 100%
and she strives to provide themost holistic care for people
possible.
So today she is with me.
We are going to talk hormones.
Let's go ahead and get startedand here we go.
I am really excited because Iget to share my amazing nurse

(02:13):
practitioner, megan Wempey, withyou today, and she is here
because today we're going totalk about the infamous thing
called hormones and people don't.
I really don't think people areeducated well enough to
understand the depth and theimportance of hormones and how.

(02:34):
How so important that we needthem, not later in life, that
you need to be managing themfrom the very beginning, cause
they live in the very beginningyeah, and I, I don't, I.
And I'll just say I don't knowanything.
I'm not a doctor.
You are a nurse practitioner.
You've been in this industryfor 20 plus years, working on

(02:55):
all different kinds of things,as I mentioned in the intro, and
you know all I know is from myown personal journey and how
much pain I was in and how Ithought I was going to die and
how I was having all thesesymptoms from endocrinology,
endocrine system, heart,cardiology, all these things.

(03:15):
So thank you, thank you forbeing with me today on the show.
I'm just really excited, it'sexciting to have you.
I'm just really exciting, it'sexciting to have you, and I also
want to.
I want to preface this beforewe get started.
I've been working with you fornine years now and prior to
working with you, I was livingin California.
I was having all these episodesand attacks with my body, like

(03:38):
on the freeway, going into,probably diabetic attacks or
anemic attacks, not knowing.
And the doctors there were like, oh, just cut out the white
stuff.
And I was like, well, I don'tknow what that means, but okay,
I'll cut out the white stuff.
Didn't help, move to Texas,find you, tell you all my

(04:00):
symptoms and you're all oh girl,okay, I want you to read this
book.
You're going to go on this dietand it was either the Whole30
diet or paleo and you're likeWhole30 is much harder, so you
probably just want to go paleoand I'm going to.
I'm going to look at your A1C,I'm going to look at all these
things, and you were the personwho found what was going on with
me, which was my A1C wasthrough the roof.

(04:21):
I was pre-diabetic, I washaving all these episodes and
attacks.
Nobody else.
Just cut out the white stuff.
Like what does that mean?
Cut out the white stuff?

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I'm like, okay, and so ever since then and then even
you guys, you have to remember,like the average provider and
this is true for any providerthat is not private practice, so
they're part of a big entity.
They are allotted seven minuteswith their patient, and that

(04:54):
goes back to issues with howwell we're being reimbursed
through the insurance agencies,and so there's all that problem
as well, know as well, becauseindividuals walk into a room and
they already have to have aplan, so they didn't get to
listen to you.
They on whatever you werecoming in for.

(05:15):
They already had to, like ifyou were coming in saying, hey,
I'm having dizziness, theyalready came up with a plan
before they even saw the patient, so they didn't even listen to
the patient.
What we're taught in school isactually, if you'll listen to
the patient, the patientactually tells you what's wrong
with them.
So if you didn't get to listen,you just guessed, you missed.

(05:38):
You missed it, and so that's why, where we practice, you know,
we're allotted 30 minutes perindividual.
I really stress that's why mymay runs out there to grab
patients, because we reallystress that we would love the
patient to be ready at that 30minute mark so that we're
getting all the time with theindividual, you know, not eating

(06:00):
into their appointment time.
Yes, you know to get them theirvital signs and those kinds of
things.
So that's a little bitdifferent now of a model.
But it's also why you seeconcierge medicine becoming such
a thing, because I do think theheart behind a lot of providers
is that they want to do thatfor patients.

(06:20):
They just don't know how to dothat for them in that insurance
model and still make a livingand pay the bills, which is mind
blowing right, because you andI know how much we pay for
insurance.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Oh my gosh.
Ridiculous amounts, ridiculousamounts, and then we still go in
and pay our copay.
Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
You know on top of that.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
What makes me crazy, though, that you said earlier is
seven minutes.
Yes, how like it didn't takeseven minutes for the patient to
really explain what they'refeeling, Right.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Exactly, and then you're done.
So my neighbor, I literallywent to my neighbor's house
after work last night because mysweet neighbor she's like
frantic Cause.
Her husband was just told andthey went to a big entity
facility.
That's where he saw hisprovider, Um, and she walked in
and said you have diabetes, thisis what you're going to take.

(07:15):
I'll see you in six weeks andhe's like wait a second.
Last year you said I was alittle bit high.
How in the world am I this badin one year?
He just I've lost weight andI've done, I've tried things.
Yeah, he tried, he actuallyworked on it and, um, she just
said well, it just happened,you're just diabetic.
And that was the response.

(07:36):
And so I went over there andactually looked the rest of his
labs and explained like thisleads to this, which leads to
this, which in 2016, he alreadyhad low testosterone as a young
guy in his 20s and they didn'taddress they didn't address and
I said unfortunately, becauseyou've been low for that long,

(08:01):
that actually probably causedyour diabetes.
It's not the fact that you hadtype two, you know.
Because he's like hey, I don'thave a family history, we have
no history, how is this case forme?
So we went backwards andexplained you know a lot of the
backstory.
And that's where you saying hey, it doesn't start when we're 50

(08:21):
.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yes, I just like.
Yeah, no, it doesn't start whenwe're 50.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yes, I just like yeah , no, it's into play, because
our young men, our young ladies,you know, in their twenties
they need excuse me, they needto already know what their
optimal looks like because we'reall going on and.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I just want to point out, as you cause this is all
fantastic.
I want to point out that youare a functional medicine
provider.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
There's a difference there.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yes, that's different right there and I think people
forget and people don'tunderstand maybe the
differentiator of what afunctional medicine provider
does, because it isn't I'll sayit from a patient perspective
it's like stepping away from thebig box, the big box hospital

(09:12):
system and those providers andthe seven I'm going to say it's
less than seven minutes todaybecause most of the clinics I
walk into are seeing theproviders, are seeing 75 people
a day, 35, 45 people a day.
There's no way they have sevenminutes.
Yeah, to make numbers and so youwalk into I'm not going to name

(09:32):
the big names, but anybodywherever you're listening from.
Just think about the bighospital systems.
You walk in there you're notgetting the care that, say,
maybe a functional medicineprovider will be able to give
you.
Like how, when you talk aboutit, your clinic, trident
Wellness, you have theopportunity to spend 30 minutes
with somebody and the importanceof us getting all of our ducks

(09:54):
in a row before we see you tothen have that time with you.
And then I do.
One of the most importantquestions I had to ask you is
when do we start looking athormones?
Because I know, as a youngperson in my thirties, I should
have been being looked at thenbecause I was struggling then,
and I have a dear friend now.
Her daughter's in her twentiesand they're struggling all over

(10:15):
the place with her hormones.
So yeah, let's, let's get intothat.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
So even my teenagers that come see me will get a
baseline sometimes depending onhow they're doing and how
they're feeling, right.
So for females, if yourhormones are optimal and you're
young, you should be havingregular cycles and you should be
able to track them and you know, ok, they're coming on this day
.
Average in a textbook is 28days.

(10:41):
Ok, and so they should everyone.
There's apps right that arefree.
I'm like everybody should betracking their cycles.
That is a sign of health tohave normal cycles.
Now, you can have very irregularcycles whenever you first start
out.
I'm sure you and I could bothremember whenever we first had
our cycles and they just came atrandom times, and that can be

(11:03):
very normal for young girls.
And sometimes they get on cyclewhen they're young and they
just came at random times, andthat can be very normal for
young girls.
And sometimes they get on cyclewhen they're young, when
they're a little older, maybehigher teens or early 20s, all
on their own, and sometimes theydon't get on cycle until after
their first baby, and that kindof acts as a reset, you know,
for the system.
However, we should be checkingand I do check all my young

(11:25):
girls that come into the office.
We do check their hormones.
We do check their iron levels,because that's being missed.
That does not mean just a CBC.
That means looking at your ironcount, looking at your iron
saturation, your ferritin levels.
All of that should be includedwhen you're looking at that big
picture.
Also, making sure that ourvitamin D levels are appropriate

(11:48):
, that our folic acid, our B12levels look good.
Those are easy things for us tomonitor for someone to be
optimal, and so that's importantfor people to know, because
it's like gosh, those littlevitamins like that can make the
world of difference for someone.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
And to circle back to this patient of yours who, in
his 20s, his testosterone waslow.
When kids are having lownumbers in these arenas, what is
the long-term impact, say bythe time they hit 30, 40?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
So for our girls the girls the fear is fertility, so
they can already be struggling.
I don't want someone to knowthat they're going to
potentially have a struggle withfertility when they start
trying.
We should have already beenaddressing that at a younger age
.
And so there's PCOS polycysticovarian syndrome.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Which my friend and her daughter both struggle with.
That.
Her daughter's in her 20s.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
And so what that looks like is they typically
have higher insulin values, andso we need to be working with
them on how to monitor theirdiet, how to naturally work on
insulin levels.
There's great supplements outthere that work on that Nositol,
berberine are just a couple ofthose and then we can work with
them on that and even on how toeat and what you should be

(13:11):
eating and how frequently youshould be eating.
That all impacts that Also too.
Looking at their progesteronelevels, so a lot of them have
lower progesterone levels, andso we want to get progesterone
already on board.
When looking for a provider.
You do want people to belooking for someone that's doing

(13:31):
bioidentical hormonereplacement.
Traditional medicine will justput these girls on birth control
.
There's a lot of evidence outthere.
That's not what we really wantto do.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
That's not the possible thing out there.
That's not what we really wantto do.
That's not the thing.
I don't know all the depth ofmy friend and her daughter, but
I know they had an IUD on heralready.
There's been birth control,there's been a number of
different things that they'retrying to help her with, and and
and.
It's interesting because Ithink about my son.
You know he's 13 and I'malready thinking when he goes in
for his annual.

(14:03):
I'm like I need to have allthese things looked at to make
sure.
Is he getting enough vitamin D?
Is he?
Yes, you know now thattestosterone is clearly
producing.
Oh I know, I know How's that alllooking.
You know what I mean.
The acne is coming through allthis stuff.
But I think to your point islike this is so many of us have

(14:27):
been conditioned to not worryabout your health until you're
old.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Right, Right.
So we do a great job educatingkids on puberty and starting
your menstrual cycle and whatthat looks like.
Right, there's educationalprograms out there, whether
that's through the school or youknow, parents are doing that
education.
But when do we educate ourfemales on menopause?

(14:52):
Right, there's no, there's nolike education class, you know,
at 25, let's all go to thisclass and, like you know, we
should be doing something likethat and we would hope that that
would be your provider thatyou're seeing.
But I'll tell you, even my OB Ilove her.
She's been with me this wholetime because I grew up and was

(15:14):
raised here, so I've had thesame providers for a long time.
But she even looked at me andsaid, well, there's no
bioidentical hormones.
That's not a thing.
And I don't understand whythese young girls are coming in
here and asking me to checktheir hormones.
They don't need their hormoneschecked.
And I was just like, yes, theydo.

(15:34):
And I sat there and I waspolite at my appointment.
But I also told myself you willdefinitely not be the person I
come talk to about my hormones,Like I'm my annual with you, but
I'm definitely not going theperson I come talk to about my
hormones Like I might annualwith you, but I'm definitely not
going to come see you for thatpiece of my you know right,
because I think what people alsoforget is I grew up in the

(15:56):
seventies.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
We didn't have half of.
We had a lot of processed foods, but probably not even
chemicals at the rate and thelevel that we have today, cause
that started in the 80s.
Yes, we didn't have syntheticsat the level and the rate that
we do today.
We didn't have EMFs at the rateand the levels that we have
today, which all of that isimpacting the physical wellbeing

(16:19):
and these kiddos.
You know they live inside aworld that is far more toxic
from an energetic perspectivethan we live Hormone disruptors,
yes, hormone disruptors, tonsof hormone disruptors.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Look, I was guilty of this whenever, because I have
three sons and they'redisgusting and they stink yes,
they smell.
I was very like guilty of thisand I used to put those plug-ins
around my house because I waslike my house smells like a foot
, like yeah, yep, you know.
And I was like, nope, we'rejust gonna have to like do
essential oils and that'sactually what I do now, like

(16:57):
I'll do you know, like you know,essential oils.
But I was like this is terrible.
I mean, the colognes and allthe smell good stuff, right, all
of that are hormone disruptors.
Yes, you know, so just learningthose things?
Um, my 17 year old and my 15year old both done all the blood
work.

(17:18):
Right now, my 17 year oldtestosterone is through the roof
.
It looks beautiful and soliterally his goal right now is
to work out five days a weekbecause he's at prime time.
So if he wants to be real builtand he wants to build that
muscle, this is when his body is.
This is the time to do it.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Exactly so, and I love that.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
You said that.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, cause I worry.
You know, I worry about my sonand all the gaming that he does
and the room that he sits in andI've got all these little discs
to break down the EMF.
But I literally think about histestosterone and I think about
the health of his body.
And he's 13.
He's finally now getting intooh look, I might have muscles.

(18:01):
He's just now starting to getinto that and recognize it.
And he also just lost a ton ofweight because he got back into
sports and he lost like 40pounds, 30 pounds.
He was heavy.
He was heavy and that wasreally good for him, but we
didn't.
I don't want to say he washeavy.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
I think he was your typical pre pubescent child who
was bringing on, they get alittle bit, they get a little
bit fluffy, so that way they cangrow.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Right, they don't have any reserves?

Speaker 2 (18:33):
They're not.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
And then he shot up and now he's thin.
And now it's funny because atthe beginning of the school year
he was in like a size 34 pant.
Okay, now he looks like he'sdrowning in those pants, but I
refuse to go buy them new onesbecause I'm like we're not going
to be going to the school nextyear and he has to wear a
uniform.
I'm like he's having to dealwith it, put a belt on, you know
, because now he's like a 28,.

(18:56):
You know he's like he's justall narrow.
But you know I worry about thosethings today, knowing that all
of the symptoms I had and I'mjust going to talk about the
symptoms real quick and we cango back.
But so when I came to you and Iwas really sick, I was having
those and I talked to you andyour dad because your dad's a
nutritionist I had those supersharp pains when I'd wake up,

(19:22):
shooting through my arms towhere it was debilitating and I
couldn't move.
I would sit up, I was dizzy.
If I was sat up, I would, Iwould like, fall a certain
direction.
I remember my heart was racingthrough the roof half the time.
What were some of the othersymptoms?
I had like neuropathies allthrough my body, my thyroid was

(19:46):
having was all whacked out and Iremember it coming down to and
I know you guys put me on allkinds of different things I went
to the cardiologist, I went tothe endocrinologist.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Because we should still do that.
We still should make sure thatwe're not missing some big and
the endocrine system is like ahuge organ system.
The endocrine system is a lotof things.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
And it's one of the most important systems.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
I think it's the most after just all the things I've
done.
But I'm like I mean, obviouslywe need our heart to be
functioning or we're not goingto be alive done.
But I'm like I mean, obviouslywe need our heart to be
functioning or we're not goingto be alive.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
If your thyroid is out, then it starts attacking
your heart, which I learnedthrough with you guys.
Like I started having heartissues and to the point to where
I was like, oh my God, am I, amI going to have a heart attack
today?
I better call a friend, cause Ithink I'm dying right now.
And all of it was mineral.
I was mineral deficient, I was,I was supplement deficient and
even, you know, since the whole30 thing way back nine years ago

(20:48):
, I wasn't eating bad, but Ialso had a lot of stress in my
life because I'm a full-timesingle parent.
So that was something else welooked at is the oxidation and
the stress on the body, but itwas also the lack of hormones,
the lack of the, my hormonesbeing out of whack, the lack of
minerals that I did not have inmy body, potassium like who knew

(21:09):
the importance of potassium,you know and things we don't
think about.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Well, and so for so long people were told don't,
don't, don't do any salt, don'tyou know?
Don't have any of that, and I'mlike I have it every day in my
coffee every day.
A lot of us need extra salt.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yes, sea salt every day in my coffee Right.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
So, like sea salt I mean, I have the Celtic salt
sitting on the kitchen counterand I like spread it on things
you know, and I'm like, no, Iactually do need this.
You need it.
Salt, sodium, potassium work inosmosis so they're trying to
fight to be equivalent and sothere's different things in our
bodies, like that zinc andcopper are the same way.

(21:50):
So we started seeing, withcovid and people doing a lot of
supplementation, that they weretaking a ton of zinc and for a
year or so after I had tons ofpatients with copper deficiency
because they had overloadedtheir zinc and it had heated
their copper and and that hasweird side effects.
You know that are, and sothey're sometimes missed.

(22:10):
So it's like we just have toremember that all these things
are working synergistically.
But that's the same and that'swhat we forget.
And so really, truly, ifsomebody's going to a provider
and they're wanting to gettested, they need to be looking
at the full thyroid, so not justa TSH like the whole panel.
So at least at bare minimum,your TSH, your free T4, your

(22:33):
free T3.
And it'd be great if they addedin their thyroid antibodies to
make sure they don't have anyautoimmune thyroid things that
are attacking their thyroid.
They need to look at all theirsex hormones.
So depending on your gender,those might look a little bit
different on what's tested.
But definitely for us girls,estrogen, progesterone, our FSH
and LH, our testosterone, ourDHEA that's kind of bare minimum

(22:56):
to kind of look at that.
For boys, they should bechecking their estrogen levels.
They're supposed to have someestrogen on board.
It helps their brain, it'sgoing to protect their bones.
It's not crazy high like usgirls, but it's there In
testosterone.
They need to look at their DHEAand we should all be looking at
our dreams.
We should be looking at whatour cortisol levels look like,

(23:19):
what our DHEA levels look like.
Sometimes, if those are off,we'll do a couple more tests,
you know, but those are kind ofbaseline tests and then also
looking at insulin levels in ourblood sugars and our hemoglobin
A1Cs.
We're missing insulin issuesbecause people aren't checking
insulin.
They'll just throw a hemoglobinA1C on there.
That's your average glucoseover the last three months, but

(23:42):
it's not insulin, and what youwant to see is a fasting glucose
with your insulin, because ifyour glucose looks optimal and
your insulin's either super lowor super high, there's
potentially something going onthere that's not working
correctly together.
All of those things have to beoptimal for you to truly feel
your best.
Yes, so when there's one thingoff, it really does have a

(24:06):
domino effect on the otherthings.
And so thyroid has the mostreceptor sites throughout the
whole body, and so thyroidhormone is crazy important, and
when you're looking for aprovider wherever you live, you
really do want to Googleintegrative or functional
medicine.
Those words are going to helpyou find somebody that's maybe

(24:27):
thinking outside the box and notjust looking at are you within
range?
Because you want to be optimal,not just in the range, and so
that's a little bit tighter of arange where they've seen that
individuals feel start to havethose symptoms and not feel as
good even though they're inrange.
And so the way they used todose thyroid is they would keep

(24:50):
giving it to you until you hadheart palpitations and felt a
little jittery, like you felt alittle off, and they would pull
you back a little bit.
And when they did testing sothat was before there was lab
tests Then lab tests came outwhen Synthrate and Synthetics
were developed.
These lab tests came out andthey started saying whoa, whoa,

(25:11):
whoa you're putting them on toomuch Because this lab test says
so.
But now they don't feel as goodbecause their optimal was not
that.
Their optimal was actually tobe a lot higher and actually in
Europe they're was actually tobe a lot higher and actually in
Europe they're allotted to be alot higher.
If you look at their ranges inEurope.

(25:32):
They're T3, for instance, whichis our active form of thyroid.
So it's our metabolism, it'sour energy.
They're allotted.
Our cutoff is like 4.2 on ourlabs.
Their cutoff is 5.6.
Interesting so why are we notallowing our patients to have a
little bit?
Well, we know why.

(25:52):
We know why.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
I mean like they don't feel good.
Yeah, we, we know why, becausethen they can push their meds,
but we won't talk about thattoday.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yes, yes, and so when you're thinking that way, like
right, we want to do supplementsas much as we can, because
there's lots of nutrients thatare great for the thyroid gland.
So selenium, zinc, iodine,tyrosine, those are great things
.
But there are individuals thatalso desiccated thyroid is a
great option out on the marketand they really do need a little

(26:23):
bit of help to get those T4 andT3 levels up, and so they feel
a lot better.
If they can get that T3 on thehigher end of the spectrum, so
95th percentile or higher, thoseindividuals are going to feel a
lot better and have betterenergy throughout their day, so
talking on this topic.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
so what?
What in your daily practice?
On average, what are the mostcommon symptoms that women are
walking in having?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
If it's thyroid related and this could be
perimenopause, because when it'smenopause, unfortunately
thyroid and hormones look verysimilar and sometimes it's hard
to see which one just bysymptoms.
It's hard to know which onemaybe is the culprit, maybe it's
both, but when you'reperimenopause, we start to see

(27:14):
this.
Sleep issues are definitelyhuge.
Ladies are coming in going hey,I'm not sleeping through the
night anymore.
I'm waking up multiple times um, crashing so having fatigue
throughout the day, whetherthat's always at a certain time
of the day or just a low levelfatigue throughout the day.
Um, we're seeing that obviously, weight gain.
Weight gain is huge Weight gain, fatigue, the sleeping and also

(27:42):
just energy and the fact thatthey're like hey, I feel like a
little slug when I go through myday Like I just can't make it,
you know.
And then some of them come in,even with weird anxiety.
So the lack of progesterone?
Progesterone is our peacehormone and it really does help

(28:02):
us to feel more at peace, and sowe can experience anxiety over
weird things that typicallywouldn't do that to us.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
It was my savior during perimenopause.
Like it brought the raging bullwithin me down to like
Ferdinand hanging in the rosegarden.
Yes, exactly Because I rememberfeeling it felt like the blood
under my skin was all boiling.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I would feel like it was rippling through my body,
because estrogen is our upperand so we need that balance.
And so we need that balance.
And 35 and on, we start to seethat these progesterone levels
start to kind of fall a littlebit.
It's why we don't see a lot of40 year olds walking around
pregnant there.
You know, it's just our naturalthat our progesterone starts to

(28:52):
kind of come down some.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
I was one of those whacked out, 40 year olds yes,
yes, me too, me too, and Iactually still.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
I mean, I have my progesterone, you know, and I
have.
Depending on where I am in mycycle.
I it depends on when I take it,you know, at night there's
sometimes even that I'm like,wow, maybe need to bump that up
Cause I'm being kind of crazyright now, you know, kind of
feeling from that ragey kind ofperspective.
But that's where we've got tolook at that.

(29:20):
And Dr Hoetze did a great job.
Way back in the day when wefirst started looking at
hormones and looking at that, hewas told in medical school
these ladies are going to comein their 30s and 40s and you're
going to put them onantidepressants.
And he just said that.
He kind of was like okay, likewhatever.
And then when he got intopractice he was like wait, what
is wrong with these girls?
Something's wrong.

(29:41):
And so he starts digging and hestarts realizing if I'll just
give them some progesterone andsome of them needed armor
thyroid, like he was using armorat the time for giving them a
little bump to their thyroid heis like, if I just do this, they
feel so much better.
And they I mean thetestimonials.
I was just crying reading it,Cause I'm like this is how we

(30:03):
feel.
I mean, the moms were like Ihad to go back and apologize to
my kids.
I wish I would've had thiswhile they were little.
So I didn't.
Yes, and was it?
Yes, I could have been ahappier mom.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yes, right, you know, and so I'm like it's sad of
really understanding the bodyand the synchronicity of all of
the organs.
Like to your point, we do, Ithink, as a culture in America

(30:44):
we're like, oh, get on your zinc, get on your zinc, get on this,
get on that, get on that.
And it's like I've learned I'vemessed up my body.
I admit that I've messed up mybody by overdoing certain
supplements and not recognizingthat I have to do other
supplements also to keepeverything in balance.
Or maybe don't overdo it, maybejust do a little bit and that's

(31:06):
enough.
You know, so it's.
It's funny because we you don'tsee a lot of health classes
anymore in education for kids,and it's the most important
thing and making sure that their, their diets, are balanced.
And you know, I could go downthe whole conspiracy track of.
Well, we know why all that is.
You know I walk into mycardiologist and he's like when

(31:28):
are you going to get on yourstatin?
And I was like never, Thank you, I'm not getting on the statin
and I'm getting ready to makemoney.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
They make money off of sick people.
Yes, they don't make money offof sick people.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
We don't have health care here.
We have sick care.
Yes, and I am going to be goingand doing, because the
cardiologist won't name his name.
He's awesome, but he did ordera full-blown panel, but I'm
taking the Bergmo that youmentioned.
So I've been on it for about amonth now, cause I was like,

(32:03):
okay, let me, let me do that ona regular basis and let's see if
I can drop that LDL, cause Iwould love to come in and be
like, yeah, my LDL is at likeone, 46 or something, you know,
cause he's like.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I know, I know, Cause it's like you almost want to
say see, I did.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, yeah, it works, because there's so many other
things that I've listened to youand done and it worked.
I mean, when I did Whole30,when I was really sick, when I
saw you nine years ago, Idropped 20 pounds in 14 days.
It was all inflammation.
Yeah, it was insane, so much sothat I then got what is it?

(32:35):
Vertigo, because I had water.
What is it?
Yes, like fluid behind your earbehind my eardrums from all the
loss of inflammation.
And so, yeah, it just, it just,and my A1C dropped by four
points.
You know it's, it's fascinatingwhat food and diet will do.

(32:55):
Okay, so we can talk about allthis for six hours, but I want
to get four more questions.
So so many women think hormonesare dangerous.
Okay, and so let's talk aboutthat, because I know, you know,
you know, I work in the world ofmedical too, not, I work on the
sales side and, like, we havethis pharmacogenomics test,

(33:16):
which I really want to turn thisone onto you.
It's cool, but we test for thefactor two and the factor five,
which are those blood clottinggenes.
Look at that.
So, and what's funny to me thatI just recently learned is in
Mexico and in Spain those arejust two of the several
countries that's an automatictest that they do before they
put any female on birth control.
We don't do that here.

(33:37):
It's not mandatory, so we justthrow it dark.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yes, but it's also mandatory, like in Europe, that
if they were to put you on astatin, they would put you on
CoQ10.
They have to.
See they're not allowed.
We're like.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Russian roulette here .
We're just going to prescribethis.
Oh, if you die oh, you're thatone percent, or however many
percent, that just dies a bloodclot, sorry right, exactly, so
exactly.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
And I have a girlfriend who's a nurse
practitioner that this justhappened a couple years ago.
She's a little older, so she'sin her young 50s, um, and she
was on birth control and she hadbeen on it for a very long time
it wasn't like this was a newthing and she all of a sudden
one day was like you know, Ican't think about what to text,

(34:25):
and she also couldn't likefigure out where to drive to.
And she's a single person.
She lives by herself.
Her kiddos are older and soshe's like she didn't have
somebody home with her.
Her kiddos are older, and soshe's like she didn't have
somebody home with her.
She drove herself to the ERbecause she's like something's
wrong, because my brain's notworking right, and she had a

(34:46):
blood clot in her brain and thatwas from her birth control, is
what they said.
Now she had had some otherchoices that she had made
because it was around COVID time.
Yes, I have questions about you, know, but but I'm like she
ended up having when they didall her blood work.
She ended up having clottingdisorder.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
That I'm like oh my gosh, why did we not just know
this when you were younger?

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Like we could have saved you from all of this you
know?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
And yes, it is important to be able to do some
of that testing.
It is, and unfortunately,because of the way that our
insurance system is is set up, alot of that's out of pocket.
Individuals can't afford it orthey put their money somewhere
else, right, because they'relike I've already put a ton of
money into my healthcare, whywould I want to put more into

(35:37):
that?
And there are there are timesthat it's worth the money, you
know, to do this.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Our test is super affordable.
But that's not.
That's neither here nor there.
That's that's anotherconversation.
But but but I do want to talkabout because I think there's a
lot of, there's a lot of fear.
You know, I have a friend ofmine who she's like oh, I'm not
doing hormone replacement, andI'm thinking, girl, I can't live
without this shit.
Like I need my three littlepills, my two pills and my cream

(36:05):
every day and I'm I feel good.
Thank God, I came to you andgot me on testosterone.
Have me on progesterone.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
The women's initiative scared everyone half
to death.
Okay, it's this huge study thatthey did in the 80s.
They came out and said that itcaused cancer and we were doing
hormone replacement at that timeand we had girls on board there
were, there were ladies thatwere taking it, lots of doctors
on board too, and they haddecided this was a good thing.
And then when that study cameout which by the?
They used estradiol andpermarine, which permarine is

(36:39):
horse urine.
So they they did not usebioidentical progesterone in
that study and so they usesynthetics, which we don't.
You should never be onsynthetic whenever you're doing
hormone Anything, anything,anything, but definitely for
hormones we have bioidenticaloptions that are extremely

(37:02):
similar to our chemical makeup.
Obviously it can't be exactlythe same, but it's extremely
similar.
And so when they now actuallythey're recanting this whole
study, basically because theyfound they should?
they found so many holes in thedata?
They also used older ladies.
They used ladies in their 60s,not ladies that were going

(37:23):
through menopause menopausegoing through menopause.
They didn't on the other sidepatient population when they
were doing this study, and we'vecome to find out that there's
actually health benefits tothese hormones that could
actually prevent you from havingcancer.
They're not causing cancer.
Now, yes, if you have a hormonereceptive cancer, you have an

(37:46):
estrogen or progesteronereceptive cancer, meaning that
the cancer is in those receptorsites and it feeds off of those
hormones.
And decide to be on hormonetherapy it could, but there's
actually evidence that says thatit might not actually make it
grow.
There are some studies outthere, but we have to tell the
patient that it couldpotentially make it grow Maybe a

(38:09):
possibility that it could, butthere's really good studies out
there that actually show that itdoes.
So it's kind of like a hit ormiss right on that, but it's not
going to ever cause cancer.
And that's where people got allfreaked out because that study
said, oh, it causes cancer, andso they stopped doing it.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
And I have such a hard time when I, when I hear a
lot of what I hear today aboutvarious studies that happen, I
mean it's hard for me not to godown my conspiracy track of like
it was all just to feed thepharmaceutical system.
It was all just to feed likewho was the reality.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Who funded that paper and that research Was it like a
pharmaceutical agency thatwants you to use.
Yeah, yeah, just like milk'sgood for you.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Milk's bad for you.
Beef yeah, Just like milk'sgood for you, Milk's bad for you
, Beef's good for you, Beef'sbad for you.
Like.
It's like you know what youfind.
And here's the one thing I'velearned working with you is
there is no diet Everyonelistening to the show.
There is no diet.
That is going to be your like agolden ticket.

(39:19):
You must understand your body.
You must listen to your body.
You must do your tests, run allyour tests, figure out how your
body metabolizes, figure outhow your body operates, because
what's good for the personsitting next to you could be
detrimental to your body.
Yes, that's the thing.

(39:39):
Like I suck as a vegan, my bodyis like there is no vegan
happening here.
It does not like it.
I got very sick.
So you know, Whole30 is what itloved, but now even Whole30,
it's like nope, I want somethingdifferent.
So now it's a growth thing youhave to listen to your body
Personal trainer.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
They want to make me higher protein, high fat and
they want to pull my carbs off.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
I was sick as a dog.
You told me, get your ass oncarbs.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I'm a terrible person .
Off carbs, like my braindoesn't work, I have no energy.
My husband every time will belike why are you doing this
again?
Like you don't function.
And as soon as I add in somecarb, I'm actually like I'm
happy again.
It's weird, it's crazy, butthat's how my body works.
So you have to figure that outabout your body and what is

(40:32):
going to be best.
And so, even in the gut worldand where you're, you know,
working on your gut health.
And so even in the gut worldand where you're, you know,
working on your gut health.
There's a great guy, dr DrRuscio.
He came out of California, helives in Austin actually now and
he's a functional guy doctorand he does a podcast and all
the things.
But he has a book calledHealthy Gut, healthy you, and he
talks about finding your rightdiet because everyone's so

(40:54):
different, like if you're tryingto reset your gut, and he has a
full protocol in the book aboutyou try this one for a couple
of weeks.
It didn't work because youshould already be seeing some
changes.
You go to the next one and he,kind of you know, sets you up
for that, but that's like hiswhole premise is like you've got
to find what works for you.
Yes, because everyone's sodifferent, and so when you're

(41:15):
asking about the hormones,that's the same thing.
All of us are going to needdifferent modalities.
They all come.
They come in different forms,and so some individuals I, I
absorbed very well through myskin, but that's not everyone,
because skin is made to be abarrier and so not everyone
absorbs great through skin.
So maybe they need oral options, or maybe they need to do more

(41:39):
vaginal routes, you know, and sothere's these other routes that
you have, and so you've got tofind your best on how you're
going to absorb and how you'regoing to do and what we learned
working with you.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
And I did that PGX test and found out that I'm a
rapid metabolizer of estradiol.
We also found out that thepatch wasn't as good for me.
So now I have the oralprogesterone pill, I have the
cream estradiol vaginal, andthen everybody those of you who
live in Texas, Austin, TexasBears Compound Pharmacy in

(42:14):
Georgetown makes the mostamazing little testosterone
suppository with coconut oil,and I found that through you.
And that's really natural,amazing, amazing, like it's
awesome.
I love it, like I don't get toomuch, I don't get too little,
it's like just enough.
And here's another thing that'sinteresting.

(42:35):
So, even though my testosteronelevels typically on testing
still come in low, I feel good.
And we also saw that my musclemass came back.
You know, because, for those ofyou listening, when I've been
working out with trainers forthe last several years now
trying to figure out my wholebody thing, but I would work out

(42:56):
and then my muscles woulddeplete if I didn't work out
every day.
And that was a testosteroneissue.
It was like I was like they justgo squishy and soft like day
after I work out and so so.
But even though you know mybody says, hey, maybe you could
use more testosterone, I stillfeel good, and I think that's
the other importance of workingwith somebody who you really

(43:17):
trust and who really understandshormones, because if you feel
good, you may not need anythingmore.
Who knows Exactly?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Exactly Because, again, a lot of us did not check
ourselves in our 20s when wefelt amazing.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
And so we didn't know what that baseline was.
We don't know what our baselineis.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
That's another reason why my boys, my own kiddos, are
getting their blood work doneas they go through different
stages, so that they have thatdata.
So when they're young men andthey're in their 30s, 40s and
they're like man, I'm notsleeping as good or I don't have
as much energy.
We can test those levels andsee the difference right.
And be able to go hey, this iswhere you're optimal, and so

(43:59):
we've got to.
When girls come into the officeand they start saying different
symptoms in men, um, you know,we got to think about what each
hormone does for us.
So, like what you were seeingfor testosterone, it helps us
maintain muscle and build muscle.
So if I have a lady or a guythat's been exercising lifting,
they're not seeing that shift,they're not being able to lift

(44:20):
heavier, because we should beable to progress.
If you can't progress, that'sthe lack of discipline.
Yeah, you're not.
You're not able to gain likeyou should.
Also, libido, there should bethe ones to initiate.
If there's not that in someone,we need to look at that.
Now, obviously, as girls, we aremore than a hormone.

(44:44):
For men, the house could be onfire, and if their testosterone
is good, they've got a libido.
They don't care if the house ison fire.
But for us girls, we do have tohave all our ducks in a row.
We're a little bit different.
We're emotional based, you know, and so there's other things
that we have to have for libidoand we address those in the
clinic, like if somebody youknow, it's like their

(45:04):
testosterone levels lookbeautiful but they're still
struggling.
You know we talk through somestuff.
You know that may be going onAlso having enough to give so
that threshold.
So like if you just feel likemaybe you're irritated real
quickly, that's low testosterone, and so both girls and guys.
So if your spouse is likeyou're like man, my husband's

(45:25):
irritated, like just justirritable all the time and his
testosterone checked, that'sactually in the beginning I knew
my husband was due for his shot.
He was on shots and I'd be likeis is it time for your shot?
Yet Like you're very overstupid stuff.
You'd be like counting his daysand he'd be like, yes, I'm like
, okay, please go do that.

(45:45):
So think about thatProgesterone, like I said, our
peace hormones.
So sleep, anxiety.
It really does help with that.
It also helps with balance.
So if you're feeling in thatperimenopause timeframe, if
you're feeling like gosh, my PMSis terrible, that is low
progesterone and it may be thatyou need it, like days 10 or 14

(46:08):
through 28, that you just needit to help you through that part
of your cycle.
And that's very common,especially in perimenopause to
see.
It's also very common in PCOSgirls to see.
So even the younger population.
And then, you know, in ourmenopausal females, our ladies
going through menopause, andthey're just not quite there yet
Having these crazy menstrualcycles.

(46:31):
Maybe they're real closetogether.
They become crazy heavy.
Progesterone can help you withthat too, with regulating those
hormones, and one of thebenefits of progesterone can
help you with that too, withregulating those hormones.
And one of the benefits ofprogesterone is it's keeping
that uterine lining real thinwhenever you're optimal and so
you're not going to bleed asmuch.
So when my ladies arestruggling with these really
heavy cycles, sometimes addingin their progesterone really

(46:51):
helps them not to bleed so much,which then obviously leads to
iron issues and that kind ofthing too.
So it's like we don't want thembleeding like that.
And then estrogen is going to beyour brain.
So when you come in and you'relike man, my brain is not
connecting the dots like it usedto, I have all this brain fog
it definitely can be estrogen.
So your hair too, menopausalhair loss that happens.

(47:16):
That's from the lack ofestrogen, our skin.
So when we're in there andwe're like man, I I used to, not
, I used to have betterelasticity, like what happens.
That's the lack of estrogen,vaginal health.
So keeping it moist, keeping itplump.
That is really important.
Also, utis people get more UTIssometimes after they go through
menopause, and that's the lackof estrogen.

(47:37):
Bone health people get more UTIsometimes after they go through
menopause and that's the lackof estrogen.
So our bones and you know,fighting off osteoporosis,
fighting off, you know, boneloss of any kind, that's going
to be your estrogen.
Heart health and that'ssomething we can't see with the
naked eye, but it definitely isthere.
So it helps prevent us fromhaving cardiovascular disease

(47:58):
down the road, and so you willautomatically see a huge jump in
LDL cholesterol when a ladygoes through menopause.
Okay, it helps us to.
So I'll even tell ladies, causethey'll come in and be like, oh
my gosh, I've never been likethat before and they're like
really concerned and I say, look, let's just get your estrogen

(48:19):
optimal and then retest it.
I don't want you jumping onstuff.
You know that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
So do you.
So is there a possibility thatmy LDLs would come down?
I mean, they did go up onepoint in this last year, so we
went from 52, 152 to 153.
That's.
That's where they're at rightnow.
So that I'm just on the.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I'm just right, you're just now post menopause,
where now we get to really getyour estrogen optimal.
And so one of the ways to lookat that because sometimes it's
like, well, what is optimal,where should we be on those labs
One way to do that is to lookat the ladies FSH and so your
follicular stimulation hormonegoes up postmenopause because

(49:06):
you're not ovulating anymore.
But when you get a female onestrogen, typically if they're
really optimal, their FSH willbe suppressed again.
It will be less than 20.
And so sometimes they come inand maybe their value for their
estrogen looks okay.
You're kind of like eh, this ispretty good, like you look good,
but their FSH is still like 40.

(49:27):
That's your clue is theprovider would be like actually,
maybe you're not as good as youcould be, because if your
estrogen is optimal, that shouldhelp with your LDL.
It also should help, and a bigclue for estrogen replacement is
you should be able to lose yourabdominal fat, because when
your estrogen is optimal thinkabout all those young ladies who
have flat bellies theirestrogen is real optimal and so

(49:53):
they're able to burn that tire.
That's why, when we go tomenopause, we start getting all
that belly fat because ourestrogen is dropping.
So we'll get it back up there.
You know and it may lookdifferent for each individual
what that means, like how highthat needs to be.
They'll start shedding thatbelly fat.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
It's funny, cause since you put me on the cream
and I do like I, it took me aminute to really figure it out,
but I have noticed that I haveshed more of that middle tire
doing that because I wasn'tgetting enough through the patch
Right, and so that that'sreally like, and I actually was
going to come in and scheduletime so we can come and look at

(50:32):
all of it again just to see,like, how are things going,
because I still am not sure thateverything is optimal.
But um, oh, and speaking ofthat, let me just ask you this,
because I did talk to anutritionist at one point and
she was saying that when we getin our older age, we have, we
should have our blood drawn moreoften, because otherwise your

(50:53):
iron levels are too high.
Is that a thing?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
It can happen.
So there is a genetic disordercalled hemochromatosis where we
don't process our iron well andwe don't catch that in younger
ladies because we have menstrualcycles and so typically I don't
see it in the younger femalepopulation.
I'll see it when they'regetting older and now they have
like iron overload kind ofthings.

(51:19):
Okay, but for the typical femalethat's not necessarily true,
unless they're taking a ton ofiron or they're cooking in cast
iron constantly.
You know, like I do, I cook incast iron.
I mean, so you are, you arefortifying your food by cooking
in cast iron.
So I have had individuals inthe past where I was like, okay,
that's a little too much foryou, you need to do twice a week

(51:40):
, or you know, like we've had todecrease it you know, and so
you should do it at least once ayear probably with your annual.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
you know, maybe I feel like I well, lately I feel
like I get my blood drawn everylike 90 days.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I'm like okay, let's check this, let's check this I
know I'm like, okay, let's checkthis, let's check this.
I know I'm the same way.
So when I was really looking atmy hormones being perimenopause
, I would check two months in arow because if you're like a
textbook, you ovulate everyother side and so my hormones
would not ovulate because I canfeel my left side, so I know

(52:14):
when it's my left side's turn.
When it's my left side, myhormones look horrible.
My progesterone looks horrible.
I have more symptoms when it'smy right side.
I look like I could getpregnant.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
You know, so they're extremely different.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
My left side has cysts.
It's a little bit moretemperamental.
I don't think it has as manyeggs Like.
I had an ultrasound done notthat long ago and she told me my
left side only had like 10 eggs10 or 20.
Like it doesn't have very many,but my right side is healthier
Right so it's like for somereason I'm healthier maybe on
that on that right side and somy hormones are more optimal

(52:53):
because of that.
But I know I've been that wayeven as a young person.
You know that my left sidewould have cysts and I would
have issues.
That's actually how I had myoldest son a cyst ruptured and
it made me ovulate when I wasn'tsupposed to surprise.
Here he is, here he is.
So, yeah, whenever he's,whenever he's uh, in the past,

(53:17):
when he was a little moody,going through you know his teen
years, he would be like younever wanted me.
I'm like buddy, I didn't wantyou, I would have not had you
you know like I mean like youknow, like you're good Cause
he's because his whole thing isyou didn't try and I was like
you're right, I did it, but mybody decided it was time for you
Like here yeah, yeah, right, so, yeah, so that can happen.

(53:41):
I mean, like we can have thingslike that and we can have
ladies that don't ovulate in themiddle of their cycle.
So I mean you may ovulatereally close to starting your
menstrual cycle and you may belike, wow, okay, I ovulated real
late and that may be your norm.
So again, we're all verydifferent.
What our normal is?

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, and it really takes me back to that.
We are not a one size fits alland I think that culturally, we
really try to fit in this onesize fits all it's this one diet
, it's this one food, it's thisone workout, it's this one TV
show, it's this one, whateverand it's like, no, we're all
very unique and really we needto listen and tune into what

(54:26):
feels good for me, right, rightand what doesn't feel good.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
This doesn't feel good, and so I mean I know
you've been seeing a trainer andyou've been very diligent in
your exercise program for thelast several years.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
And you know, and I still struggle, I still am not
where I want to be.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
You're going.
You're going in the rightdirection, right.
So any movement forward issuccess.
And we have to give ourselvessome grace sometimes because we
want to be there in like twoweeks.
Right, we're like I'm going tobe here in two weeks, but this
is where I have to talk with mygirls about after 35, weight
training is extremely important.

(55:07):
We've got to lift weights or doresistance bands or do some
form of resistance training,whether that's weights or not,
and maybe not doing HIITtraining as much.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
This high intensity stuff really puts our dreams, I
tore my knees up and I tore upthis knee and I'm struggling to
get it back to a normal functionand, and I think too, you know,
strength training, I will say,has been one of the godsends in
my life is you know, beingalmost 55 and being able to pick

(55:44):
up a 20 pound bag of dog foodwithout being like, oh my God,
where I have some friends thatthey couldn't do half the things
that I do.
And I think to myself, inanother five to 10 years you're
going to be having replacementsand things broken.
Well, so you hit on the nail.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
And what I'm going to tell you is my ladies, because
I see enough females and I'vedone this for enough amount of
time that I have a really goodsample set from just my patients
.
And what I will say is myladies in their fifties and
sixties that choose not to be onhormone replacement they can
hang with their friends that areon hormones.
Like you can see them kind oflike.
They're still kind of similar,right.

(56:25):
They're able to go do similaractivities together.
They're able to still be activetogether.
Now there's still a body shapedifference and a body mass index
difference.
I can go to the gym and tell youwho's on hormones and who isn't
.
Like I can see it because theirshape is going to be different
and their body mass is going tolook different.
So they're going to be tighterwhen they're on those hormones.

(56:46):
You're going to see more musclemass on that lady, but they
still can hang out as friends.
But when they get into their70s there's a marked difference.
My females that have been onhormones for that whole time
come in and they're sad becausetheir friends that haven't been
can't do the things with themanymore.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
What about the strength training, too?
What about that piece of theworking out with the hormones,
like what happens to our bodieswhen you're not doing it?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
I mean you're able to maintain that muscle, gain that
muscle.
You're going to keep yourstrength so, like when you are
70, you can still go out andlike lift the bag.
You know like I was having torefill the salt, you know, in
our water softener.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
And I was like I'm not calling.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
They're really heavy and you have to lift it up right
.
It's up here that you got topour it and I was like I am not
calling one of my boys, like I'mdoing this myself.
You know like you got to beable to do it yourself.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yes, and if you can't lift 20 pounds, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
If you can't lift 20 pounds Like you're in, trouble
Right, and so I watch my in-lawslive on our property with us
and my mother-in-law has nevertaken hormones and she's now in
her seventies and she's a sitterin that dang chair and I'm like
dang it.
Well, you've got to get up andshe is asking questions now.
She has started to ask me a tonof questions about things,

(58:12):
because she has seen that happennow to her husband that they're
declining, yeah, and so we'reworking on some of those things,
but unfortunately it's a littlelate for her and the fact that
hormones are not going to be ahuge benefit now right like I
can get her on some testosterone, it may actually help her a
little bit and she'll seebenefit.
But um, um.
But there is some questionablekind of stuff about starting

(58:36):
people on estrogen after they'vebeen post-menopause for 10
years or plus been on it,because there are some studies
out there in the past thatindicated that if they have plat
buildup and you start them onestrogen and this is look, they
haven't been on it for 10 plusyears, right so even if you come
on and off, I'd rather thatperson than somebody that just

(58:59):
decides I'm not doing it at 51and now at 70, they really would
like to do it.
Now we're in trouble because ifyou start them, there's a
possibility it's not a it maynot happen, but there's a
possibility that the plaquecould break off.
May not happen, but there's apossibility that the plaque
could break off and cause astroke.
You would hate to beresponsible for something like
that.
Now I have individuals thatunderstand the risk and they've

(59:21):
gone and done a full cardiacworkup and they've and they've
gotten clear from cardiology andthey have started and I've
never seen that happen inpractice.
I know those studies.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
You know exist.
Well, I think to, to, to whatyou just said.
Really, emphasis is that, hey,okay, so I don't think that most
people listening to this showare in their seventies, but
you're in your thirties, yourforties, your fifties, you might
even be in your sixties, andthe thing is preventative,
preventative, preventative,preventative.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yes, you don't want.
You don't want Alzheimer'sdisease.
No, you don't I, that's in myfamily and I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
I'm praying to God.
All these hormones help withprevention of that?
Yes, and so you know.
My point being is that you knowprevention, but also there are
risks.
You know prevention, but alsothere are risks.
Do your research, look into allthe risks, have all the tests
done, go to the cardiologist, goto all the places and then make

(01:00:22):
an educated decision foryourself of okay, I might, I
might have a stroke.
Is it worth the risk?
I might not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
I have a lady that's BRCA positive and look, she
signed all the waivers.
We, you know, we did our duediligence and she totally
understands the risk.
I mean she, she came in alreadysaying, look, I know my risk, I
know I know, and she goes, butthat's how bad I feel.
She wants to feel good.
It's like I need hormones andthese bless her heart, all these
ladies that have had breastcancer.

(01:00:48):
But we have lots of cardi.
We have, excuse me, lots ofoncologists that are on board
for testosterone only therapyfor those ladies.
And they come in and they gettheir testosterone up, which
does give them a little bit ofestrogenic properties.
It does help them with that alittle bit and they feel so much
better and we have the approvalof the oncologist to do those

(01:01:09):
things.
We, we get letters, you know.
We have them in their charts,you know.
So you know they.
Just they don't feel good.
Right, and so there's nothingworse than optimize health right
Like we used to die at 65.
So it didn't matter that wedidn't have hormones for 10 to
15 years.
Now we live I mean, mybloodline is like they're all in

(01:01:32):
their nineties and higher Ibetter have some dang hormones
because I don't want to be likefooled and not walking around
you know, I want to still dostuff.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
No one of my best friends who she passed.
I think she was 98 when shepassed.
Didn't start really breakingdown.
Until she was 94.
And she had she always had adog.
She lived in the Oakland Hills,she walked to those Oakland
Hills every day, she drank herwhiskey every night.
And that woman I don't know ifshe was on hormones, but that
woman was the sassiest, spriestwoman I knew and she stayed in

(01:02:05):
English writing classes andwrote stories and she stayed
active.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yes.
So I'm so glad you said that,because not only is it physical
activity, it's mental activityto mental activity to have a
purpose.
Yes, not just retire, you gosit and you stop watching the
news people.
Yes, yes.
I know Get off the TV Get offthe outside.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yes, get outside we live in a great state for
outside activities.
Oh, yes, we do, yes, we do, soI'm like get outside, I mean
it's beautiful right now, likethe sun's out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
I know, I know, go do those things.
They release great endorphinson top of the fact that you are
going to get that blood pumpinto your brain and that's what
you need to stay healthy foryour brain health to stay
healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
So I mean, go do things that you wouldn't
typically do, like a friend ofmine texted me the other day
because he went to a circusclass and he was like I love
that, yeah, he goes.
That's what I needed, he goes.
I needed that adrenaline rushto push me out of the funk I was
in.
It's like go go roller skate,go pickleball Cause.
That's like the big craze.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
That's a functional movement.
Yes, and if you go learn how toknit, cause knitting is your
hands and your brain Lusteredwith like I hate going, cause I
have those individuals that arelike I hate going to the gym.
I really don't love exerciseLike that.
That turns them off to hearthat I'm like fine, then go do a

(01:03:34):
physical activity, that's fine.
Go dance, exactly Dance.
Goes you some pickleball.
Go do some tips go ride a horse.
I mean like take a trapezeclass because they have this and
it's on my list.
Yes, and we got to keep doingthat too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
We should all have lists of like things that we
want to go try yeah, and ifpeople think that horseback
riding isn't going to be a lot,just go do it, because the next
day you will feel all themuscles you never knew you had
before yes, yes, I'm like, gojump on the trampoline with your
kids.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Yes, yeah, I'm gonna tell you right now I die.
I have to tell my boys I gottasit down for a second, like you
know, because it's like, oh mygosh, um, you know.
So it's a lot of workoutactually it is, it is go in the
backyard and throw a ball withyour kids, or whatever it looks
like.
Do something that's fun.
The other day I saw I was doingtelemed at the house and so I

(01:04:28):
had like a five minute break andone of my boys was here and and
so we went out in the garageand played a horse you know, and
I was, like for that fiveminutes.
I got my pump in a little bit.
We laughed.
You know great medicine.
Like you know, we're silly witheach other and come back and
then keep working you know,things like that that just feed

(01:04:50):
you enough.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yes, kind of just getting the body moving.
It's funny, like my son willwant me to go out and play
basketball with him and I'llplay for like 10 minutes and I'm
already winded.
I'm like Jesus, you know, andit's just basketball like yes,

(01:05:11):
and to throw that ball.
Like I keep telling him I'mlike buddy, you got to start
working out those arms becausethere's so much power that goes
into shooting that ball.
And you don't think it, youknow?
Yeah, it's amazing, oh my gosh,I, I, I, we could go on for
hours and I don't.
I I know I've taken your time I, we like, literally we could go
on for hours, um, and I thankyou so much for your time, but

(01:05:33):
okay, so let's, let's do this towrap up.
So we've talked about a lot ofthings today.
We talked about hormones, wetalked about the importance of,
we talked about risks, benefits,what, what is the one thing, or
the maybe more than one thing,what is the thing you most would

(01:05:54):
say or would want to leavethose that are listening about
hormones, like, what's the thingthat you send your clients off
with your patients?
What is the thing that you say?

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
So always when somebody sees me, I want them to
leave with hope, because Ithink that they probably haven't
been listened to or they thinksomething's really wrong with me
.
You know, when they come andwalk in there because they don't
feel good or they wouldn't bethere, I mean, people don't come
see me because they're feelingamazing, you know.
And so I want them to see thatthere is hope.

(01:06:29):
It may take us a second to getthere, because we've got to
learn your body, we've got tolearn what's working best for
that individual, but we can getthere if you're willing to work
with me and you're willing totry different things and be
willing to listen to your bodyand take notes, like you know,
learn yourself, learn yourpatterns, you know, and so there

(01:06:50):
is hope that all of us can feelreally good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Yeah, and I love that you said that, because I think,
especially in this world thatwe live in today, with all of
the toxins that we have, fromwhat you're breathing, to your
drinking, to your eating, towhat you're watching in your
hand, because that handhelddevice is, is it's pumping off
toxins in your body that youcan't even.
You don't even know what'shappening.

(01:07:13):
You know, my son now wantsthese Bluetooth ear earbuds.
I was like, oh hell, no, sorry,he's like, but what if I pay
for them?
I was like, no, you're not, no,we don't like no because the EMF
, yeah, yeah, I'm like we, wehaven't we have to be 50 years

(01:07:33):
out before we'll even know theside effects that those
Bluetooth headsets probably have.
Yes, I said we're only 20 yearsin and we don't have enough data
yet.
Sorry, but but I think so manyof us women don't feel good.
We just don't.
We feel tired, we feelexhausted, we feel compassion
fatigue.
We feel we feel like we can'tget out of bed, we can't roll

(01:07:55):
over, we don't want to have sex.
Well, I, I want to, but somewomen don't and I, I, I blame
that on.
I don't even blame it.
I attribute that to my greathormones and all the work you
and I've done.
I'm like, my sex drive is good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Thank you Exactly, but that's where it should be.
I mean, that's what it shouldfeel like and guess what?
That releases great endorphinstoo, and when you have sex, and
we should use that to ourbenefit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Yes, and you know what I want to.
I want to remove this stigma of, well, I'm in my fifties,
therefore it's downhill.
No, I feel like.
I feel like this is like I'mstepping into some of the
greatest.
These are the golden years.
Like I feel like okay, mentally, emotionally, you know you're
finally mature enough to be like, okay, I could give really a

(01:08:42):
shit about what anybody thinksand you're in this whole new
level of life and and you wantto feel good you don't want all
the aches and pains, you don'twant to bend over in your back
pops and you're like what wasthat?
I mean, that's what washappening to me, because I
wasn't strength training, I washaving all these things where I
just bend over and throw my backout, and it's like God really,

(01:09:04):
you know, and we're still tooyoung.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
We're young, yeah, we're young, and that's what we
should hear is that we're young.
I mean, I want to be 80.
We chose to buy land because Iwanted to live in the country,
yep and do those things.
And I want to be 80 and throwthe hay bales.
Yes, I also want to be 80 andbe able to get on the ground
with my grandkids.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
With your grandkids.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
And I had my last not my last orthopedic, because I
have knee stuff too, but the onebefore the guy that I have now
because I fired him, becausewhen I said that to him he said,
well, you won't be, he's likeyou will not be able to do that.
And he's like and you're goingto need a knee at some point,

(01:09:49):
because you already have allthis arthritis and stuff.
And I just was like and you'regoing to need a knee at some
point, cause you already haveall this, you know arthritis and
stuff.
And I just was like you're notthe person for me because you
don't believe that that's real.
Cause he told me he said do youknow any 80 year old that's
doing that?
And I was like, yes, I doactually.
I want to be that I'm like Idon't want it.
Yes, I want there to be daysthat I sit in my rocking chair

(01:10:09):
and I get to enjoy the beauty ofjust life.
You want the option Because Iwanted to right.
Not because I have to, yeah,you want the option yes.
And I see, like my 94-year-oldgrandma right now, should have
gotten a knee a long time agoand she was afraid, and now
she's so bent over and socrippled she just has to sit in

(01:10:31):
her chair.
She was afraid, and now she's sobent over and so crippled she
just has to sit in her chair,you know, and I'm like oh, don't
ever let there be like thateither.
Right, that we're so right.
Yes.
The fear things that we need todo to take care of ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Right, exactly, oh God, I feel honored and I just
adore you and all the work thatmy son and I have gotten to do
with you and the team over thereat Trinity.
I'm super grateful to beworking with you and all the
things I've learned and I justappreciate you and it's amazing,

(01:11:03):
and I thank you for being onthe show with me and I hope that
you would like to come backmaybe another time and we could
talk about other things becausethere's so much good stuff with
health.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
I know Well, and thank you for inviting me.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Yeah, yeah.
So everybody, this is Meg.
I always want to say, I alwayswant to call her a doctor.
She's my doctor, even thoughshe's a nurse practitioner.
She's my doctor.
But Megan Wimpy, she is here inAustin, texas.
Well, I'm almost afraid.
I'm like, no, I'm not going totell you where she is, cause
then, like, I won't be able toget to see her.
No, she's in Georgetown,actually, georgetown, texas.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
And we are.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Yeah, it is fit in that building.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
I know we're going to need a new building, but it is
hard to find practitioners thatwant to think outside the box
and want to do this or to findtake time.
It takes time for us to findthose individuals.
So there are three of us girlsthat have been doing this for a
long time.
We are getting a new providerin March and we'll be opening up

(01:12:03):
more space.
She's a young girl.
She's been through functionalmed training, actually.
She just hasn't been given theopportunity yet to practice that
kind of medicine.
So there's going to be alearning curve, but she's great.
She went with us to our lasthormone conference that we just
went to, so she's going to begreat She'll be able to offer
some extra space for individualsthat want to come in, and then

(01:12:27):
my sweet student that I had.
I think she was with me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Yes, when, yep, when I was there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
She'll be graduating soon and we're going to offer
her position too, cause she'samazing, that's amazing, and we
want some young blood in there,right, like I mean, like we want
all ages, and that's the beautyof our practice.
Actually, there is a providerthat's every generation.
Yeah, you know, we all bring,we're all similar and we all

(01:12:56):
believe the same way, but it'sfun because we all bring
something different to the tableyou know, and we have meetings
together and we all housetogether our offices together on
purpose, so that way we canbounce ideas off each other and
collaborate, you know, yeah, no,I love it and I'm grateful.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
So Trinity, it's health and wellness.
Trinity, health and wellness,yep.
And that's in Georgetown.
You guys can find Megan there.
I'll put all the information inthe show notes below.
If you have questions onhormones, I encourage you to
drop them down in the commentsection and I can always ask
questions on your behalf justthrough.

(01:13:35):
Shoot them through my portal,because often I have the same,
probably have the same question.
But yeah, like whateverquestions you have, please drop
those in the comments below.
But I look forward to seeingyou on the next show.
Megan, thank you so much forbeing with us today and to those
of you listening, it's beenawesome.
We'll be talking about moreabout heart healing in the next

(01:13:59):
show, so stay tuned in the nextcouple of weeks.
I look forward to seeing youall then.
Thanks, bye-bye.
Thank you for coming on thishealing adventure today.
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