May 17, 2024 • 55 mins
In a world that constantly challenges our inner peace with its array of struggles, the latest episode of "Invitation2Freedom" casts a beacon of hope on the incredible power of choice. Lisa Phillips and Marie Johnatakis, along with Taylor Johnatakis, unpack the notion that happiness isn’t just an emotion but a conscious choice we can make.
Taylor, despite being incarcerated and finally sentenced to 87 months, embodies the concept of choosing happiness and illuminates the path for others, even in suffering. The episode also doesn’t shy away from contemporary issues, as it addresses the aftermath faced by families post-January 6th and the non-profits arising from them.
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Takeaways
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Agree to disagree and make great choices.
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Embrace the power of choice.
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“Your right to be happy is unalienable.”
Timestamps
00:00 Eternal law binds all, cannot be changed.
04:59 The constitution sets you free to choose.
07:51 Discussion about birth bonding and legal contracts.
11:17 Families, response, outlook, justice, cause, effect, innocence.
14:26 Rights: happiness from living truth by choice.
17:06 Accepting differing opinions is crucial for harmony.
19:41 Power lies in making our own choices.
23:15 Taylor and I cherish the power of birthdays.
28:11 Express gratitude, understand the system, take responsibility, be free.
29:21 Devotional calls with inmates share deep experiences.
35:02 Separate yourself from pathological thoughts and control.
36:05 Self-control, self-worth, and being present.
40:22 Feel despair from toxic, biassed news sources.
44:55 Sudden change in family's financial situation discussed.
46:55 Building bridges to alleviate suffering for others.
50:45 Choosing positivity leads to unexpected friendships and experiences.
54:26 Join our community at invitation to Freedom.
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Disclaimer:
The information contained herein is not intended to be a source of legal advice. You should not rely on the statements or representations made by the hosts or guests. The purpose of this podcast is to give guidance and to educate those in the community on how to be self-reliant members of the constitutional Republic of the United States of America and as such it is strongly recommended that you do your own research. Inv
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(00:00):
Welcome. This is your invitation to Freedom.
The podcast that challenges the traditional left right paradigm
and explores a narrative centered on unity and reclaiming
our rights. Each episode will explore topics from how
we got where we are to what a peaceful journey looks like to get back
to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
(00:22):
Welcome, Marie. I'm so happy to have you back today. Thank
you. We're gonna be talking to Taylor in a little while,
and he's gonna call in. But before that, I think you have something special for
us. Right? Yeah. I was gonna read something that he wrote.
It's called happiness is a choice my mom said.
Cute. So I'll read this, and then he'll talk about this,
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when he calls in. Perfect. So I'll just give give us a little good foundation
here. Everything can be taken from a man but one thing,
the last of human Freedom, to choose one's attitude in any
given circumstances, to choose one's own way.
This eternal truth was the conclusion of holocaust survivor
Viktor Frankl. I was taught this as a child,
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grounded to home, prevented from playing with my friends,
I'm sure, for some nonsense. I tell my mom I was bored.
I demanded some entertainment, something. She replied with a
statement of fact, I've never been able to distill further.
Happiness is a choice. Our country threw off the shackles
of tyranny with the infamous declaration of independence wherein Thomas
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Jefferson wrote, we hold these truths to be self evident that all
men are created equal, and they are endowed by their creator
with unalienable rights. Among these are life,
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The founding
fathers understood that happiness was achieved by living a life
in accord with God's natural law. The natural law
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is true law. As Cicero in Rome described,
true law is right reason in agreement with nature. It is
a universal application, unchanging and everlasting.
It summons to duty by its commands and averts from wrongdoings
by its prohibition. It is a sin to try to alter this
law nor is allowable to repeal any part of it and
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is impossible to abolish it entirely. We cannot be
freed from it its obligations by the senate or people, and we need
to look outside ourselves for an expounder or interpreter of
it. And there will not be different laws at Rome and at
Athens, and Taylor added, or in the USA or
DC or California or Mexico or different laws now
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and in the future. But one eternal and unchangeable law
will be valid for all nations and all times. And there will be one
master and ruler that is god over us all, for he is the
author of his law, its promulgator and enforcing
judge, whose disobedience is fleeing from himself and
denying him his human nature. And by the reason of his very
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fact, he will suffer the worst punishment. Your right to
pursue happiness cannot be abandoned by legislatures or
legislators. It cannot be altered. It cannot be repealed
even by the people themselves, even though in ignorance, we
may fain to do so. In natural law, we are dealing with
absolute reality. 1 +1equals2. A
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is a. John Adams explained, all men
are born free and independent and have certain natural,
essential, and unalienable rights, among which
may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties,
that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property,
and find that of seeking and obtaining their safety and
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happiness. Happiness is a choice, said my mother. Life,
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is living in accordance with natural
law, true law. The wisest of all men once
said, the truth will set you free. In Black's
Law Dictionary under liberty, liberty to contract, it
Freedom, the ability at will to make or abstain Freedom making a binding
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obligation forced by sanctions at the law. The right
to contract about one's affairs, including the right to make
contract of employment and to obtain the best terms one can
as a result of a of private bargaining. It
includes the corresponding right to accept a contract
proposed. It means freedom from arbitrary or unreasonable
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restraint. The right to make contracts with competent persons
on a place of relative parity of or freedom of choice and within
the limits allowed or not forbidden by law.
Your right to be happy is unalenable.
You cannot even take your choice to be happy away from
yourself. Even the US Supreme Court has established through Erie
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versus Tompkins that in essence, everything is a
contract. You have a choice to pursue happiness exercising
your liberty to contract by choice. Salt Lake attorney
Denver Sniffer asked, what in the end do you price most? Do
you price all the risks, all of the responsibilities, all of the
potential for failure, all of the individual accountability?
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I mean, what was the purpose of the constitution?
It was to make you free so that you can exercise moral agency,
and you get the opportunities to succeed or fail. The
purpose of the constitution is to set you in a position in which it
is possible for you to accomplish either one so
that you you become accountable. Not to some
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someone back in Washington, not someone to whom you have surrendered your
choice, not someone else to run your life, not someone else to tell
you the comings and goings, the wins and the wheres and the
whys. You, the constitution, was designed to accomplish.
You become morally accountable because you are the agent
that gets to choose. Cowardice is
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anyone who would try to lay hold on the riches of heaven. Because
down here in this dark well, you have the opportunity to prove
who you are. You have an opportunity to prove what you
are, and you don't prove that you are anything worth preserving
to eternity if you don't live with nobility. You
must use your liberty to choose. And I don't care who
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is pressuring you or what means they think they can employ,
even the full weight of the federal government. That statement,
I regret that I have but one life to live to give for my
country, is not the language of a slave. It's
not even the language of a captive. There is a man who is free
indeed, even though he's about to be killed.
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You know we lack fortitude, and we Lisa lack self confidence to hold
on to our freedom. You surrender to fashion. You surrender to peer
pressure. You surrender to those people that you think are
respected members of society. You surrender, but you don't
have to. Freedom is still possible to this day.
Happiness is a choice, mom said.
(07:04):
Beautiful. Taylor wrote that one day. He
was he we were talking about some of the things that he's written in
jail. This one, I haven't posted yet up yet on our website.
But he said sometimes they just kinda flow. You
know? And it all comes together as one idea. And
we talked last week about the Marie
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versus Tompkins, the Supreme Court case.
We talked about contracting. And so it's
interesting in light of that to think about choosing your
choice, your freedom, and also choosing
your contracts. So I had a neighbor
that stopped by my house the other day and was like, Marie, I have to
(07:48):
show you this YouTube video. And I was like, yes. Send it over. And she's
like, you are not gonna believe this. We were all bonded when we were born.
And I was like, Pat, I I, you know, I do know about
that. You know? And, anyway, so we talked about it for a little bit,
and and I watched the video. It was a
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kinda an animated video describing it, which was fascinating.
But the same ideas of not realizing some of the contracts that we enter
into through birth certificates, through social social
security cards, numbers, through all sorts of things, driver's
licenses, all sorts of things. And and, you know,
just the thought of, you know, what do you own? What is yours? What
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belongs to the state? What do we give to the state? All those different
things. You are free to contract, but it's
really good to know what you're signing. And and the
on a and with yeah. On a fundamental level
Yeah. You're taking this to
bare tax when you bring up Viktor Frankl because what is he
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first doing? He's before he's contracting,
he's choosing what is he choosing? He's free to choose, even though he's
incarcerated, his state. He's choosing
his state to be happy. And I remember reading that
book. I was profoundly moved. You are you read the
best books. Like, we really
(09:17):
I so appreciate the ones you bring up. And what he was saying, he's
the one who said it broke his heart to watch the people's hearts be broken
that would say, I'm gonna get out by Christmas. And then
they wouldn't get out of their incarceration, and they would die of a broken
heart. Too much. Yeah. Too much. And that's what kept him going
because he chose his state. So we
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are only as free as we are able to
protect that freedom and to to claim the freedom that we
have. And our freedom in our mind, in our state starts,
and then it comes to the contracting. Right? So that's the first
contract with self. And your husband's calling. Right.
Hi. Hi, Taylor. You got Marie and Lisa? Hi. How
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are you doing, Paula? Super good. She just read your your newest
post, and it's beautiful. I love it. The
choice to be happy, mama said.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Start off with that.
What'd you say, Tay? Do you have an do we have any questions?
(10:25):
No. So I just read your, happiness as a choice. Do you wanna
share anything else with that? You know, there's still
2 things that are what we're what looks at this. First of all, first of
all, is there's kind of this element of, you know, a spiritual
element of just controlling your outlook on life, controlling your attitude that at the
end of a day, you're the one no matter what, you know, set of circumstances
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you're in, the play bigger play will discover even in the books of the
holocaust. You know, throughout his book, he
talks about the attitude of the of the people that were going
through that holocaust. These were people that were guilty of no hives. These were
guilty of people who Marie no sin. Right? Who made no
heir, school heir, government heir, but kids were simply there.
(11:09):
They're burned, you know, by simply being Jewish or gypsy or
whatever the case was. They get to hurt them anything.
They're stuck with their families, they're stuck with everything
together. The last the last the last one that you're putting up, the last
one that you control is your response to any in a situation.
But if anybody has ever read the book, Man's Search for Beauty, it's
(11:32):
really a beautiful book because it does. It's a surprise. It's a very
it's very fact that no matter what happens, no matter what you feel
is your your response and outlook.
And, and so, you know, there's there's that. When you when
you consider the United States persistence of justice in the
world, in many cases, we are, you know,
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experiencing a cause and effect cause. Right? So there's many times when
I sit myself and I think I'm like, well, what did I do? What what
is it that happened that caused me to be here? Because it's just it's just
genuine for anybody in if any of these
situations to to claim that they're completely innocent one way or
another. Right? But there's a difference,
because if for any single person, you know, let's say you,
(12:18):
you forgot to put gas in your car. You rush to work. You're like you
you run fly the gas station. You're like, oh, I probably have enough gas to
to get to work, and I'll I'll get gas on oil. And and you're 3
quarters to lay Taylor, and all of a sudden, you run out of gas. Well,
seem to be upset. You could be mad, but who Marie who are you mad
at? Does that make sense? You're mad at the car, you're mad at the gas
station, you know, or you're gonna be bad at yourself, or you could just
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say, oops, I made a mistake, and you can keep your head high. Go, okay.
Well, how do I get get through this situation? How do you belong to the
discussion or I could get back. Right? Does that make sense? Like, you choose
how you react. You could choose to have a bad attitude. You could choose to
have a good attitude. So on one hand, you've got that that element
of when mom said you choose to be happy, I was grounded. I
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remember, specifically, I was grounded because I was sitting towards the back of
the bus kids on the back of the bus were being legitimate. We have
doctors, rowdy, and we have some 2 keys here on
the trip we were on. She called, like, it's in the last 4
rows of the butt, lined us up with things like that. Almost was all gonna
be installed. All those parents, like, we were being rowdy and we wouldn't push
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through it. And I ended up getting in trouble, and I'm like, I'm not the
one who was being rowdy here. I was all upset. I got grounded. He said
that he was sitting in the wrong spot on the block. You know, in the
wrong place at the wrong side. And so and I remember that It
went down when he got this 1 per share of time on the ground, and
I think it was down for a week. Again, it was really anytime I get
trouble, it's fully felt like it worked for me on him. Right? And,
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and my mom put after this is the choice. And so I want you to
choose your knowledge no matter what, not to you in the position you're in, no
matter what it is, you could just like a choice. Yeah.
And then on the other side, you've got this element of, you know, we are
we are all the unalienable rights, the unalienable
rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. As you go through
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political theories, you read out law, you read a little bit of
philosophy, you start to realize that the potential of life
is the potential of private property. In accordance with
true law, God's law, these rules express, on the
very elements of what it needs to be found. So when we when we talk
about the bill of rights, life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, we're not
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talking about you could choose to be out here and have all the Xbox
games you want or here, you know, you have a right to just have all
the movies you want, or you have a right to eat as much sugar as
you want. That's not what happened. Right? Happiness is this idea that you're
living life in accordance with truth. And if you're doing that, then you typically
have and then experience a level of joy and a level of happiness. That's what
we can have a right to do. So here in the United States, and
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much of the Western world, that liberty has been has
been enumerated in our law, in our codes,
everything like that, but it's still a choice. So if you
go back, so is we say things really counter on,
government is by consent, our government is by agreement, not by the rule
for that law. But what does it mean to consent? Right? What
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does it mean to be by agreement? And so your your pursuit
of happiness is an element of choice. Right? Choose to
preserve life. You choose to preserve private quality, but you don't
slogging those things away. And the the pursuit of happiness is
kind of biting into that concept. And so when loss of
happiness is a choice, it's it's all a choice.
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Everything we go through in life is a series of choices that we
just politely make, including life, liberty,
pursuing patterns. These are these are, like, big elements. The more you study
them, the more you you start a promise, especially when it comes to life, liberty
and property, you start to wonder, well, can't the government take my property away? Sure.
They can't. They're all done. Right? But, ultimately, you
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get down to where big sister Franklin was at, where he goes, I still have
a choice. He's not playing. He can never take that away.
So all all choice, that's supposed to
be happy to choose your witch boss, then leads your children to
preserve private property, preserve life. It kind of goes both
directions. So I hope that kind of like, sound a little less
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clear, but that's that's kind of the concept I'm trying to get out of this.
Everything is a choice, and it's not a problem. Choose a pattern.
And our choices become our destiny. That's true.
True. There's no there's no other way to see it. And if if you're
not cognizant that you can choose happiness and you
can choose to stand in liberty and
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defend it. We're only as free as we're willing to
express that freedom. If we don't express the
freedom of the choice to be Freedom we don't express that
internally, like first, Right? If we can do it internally, then we can do
it externally. Lisa I don't I don't know how many go
ahead. One of the things that that we, as a people,
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have comprehend is the concept of agree to disagree.
Right? When you agree to disagree with somebody, you're not necessarily
arguing whatever they're telling you, whatever they're presenting, whatever
controversy they're saying. Sometimes you have to accept what it
is they're saying on its face, and then you're saying, okay. Well,
I agree, but I also agree not to
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proceed with this argument or not proceed. That that is a that
is a process of discharge that a lot of people
lose. Right? Some people are still committed to having a shared story
or a shared narrative or a shared set of facts that we
start to argue over each other's subjective
truth. And so part of this process of
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of everything is a choice is one of the choices we have
is to agree to disagree. And how do we
then get in the element of agree to disagree? How do you then
maintain your liberty, property, and your own personal
happiness? And I think that's where a lot of times we get in trouble, for
example, on some health justice system. We have a hard time
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recognizing that we are in a private bargain and that we
don't know how to go free to disagree. But but still the ad Freedom. You
see how there's an element of agreement? So it's all of what you could say,
you accept to disagree as as element of
choice. I love that. And it it's very peaceful, and
it's honorable. And I think it's it's it's also manners. You can
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apply it to the justice system, but you can also apply it to our
social construct. Right? It's like there's a lot of canceling. If you
don't agree, I'm canceling you. You know? If you don't agree and you don't, you
know, get into this herd mentality, then there's something wrong with you. Like,
what's wrong with you? Like, that's so disrespectful. Then you could
just say, hey. I I disagree or, you know, hey. I agree that you
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feel that way. So then take anything away from that person.
So the controversy, and if you say, I choose to go a
different direction. Are you okay with that? Yeah. Okay. Great.
We don't have to overlap. We don't have to have an agreement
beyond anything other than, I agree with what you said, but that's
it. It it it terminates the controversy. It terminates the
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offer. It terminates the the, you know, whatever it is that
creates a rub. Whatever creates a bind,
a bond, right, this this idea agree to
disagree. And so as you
marinate on these concepts, you start to recognize, well, I have a lot
of power. I don't have the power to take someone else, but I have the
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power to make my own choices. Always.
You always have a choice. Even if somebody's willing to
politically take your property, and I
thought back to all of that, the adopts the
Germans are willing to take your property. They're willing to take your call, their
will to to, you know, to inform your family relations, put
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people on different sides of the camp, what if families fall off the wall, they
will explain Taylor your transactions and everything like that. The one thing that they
could never actually take was your choice. And if you work
backwards, you know, that, you know, your choice it it it's
simple. I I Marie I know I need to think about writing a
little paper to kind of explain this process here, but, you know,
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once you recognize where your power lies, that's where you go. Like,
hey. I agree that you are foreclosing out my
property, possibly illegally, possibly without my consent
or whatever. Because you have the power to do that. I'm not willing to oh,
god. It's out my way back. Right? It's not all effect. Thinking about the
thousands. They only did what they did in the barrel of a gun, basically.
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And, if you're not willing to fight back using the
same level of force, okay, I still have a choice. You know what I mean?
When you still have choices, you have a choice on how I resolve this. Yeah.
Yeah. Just remember that you're all done with folks, like, every every second. Once you
proactively take control of your choices, you're supposed to be done.
You know, even if it takes time and whatever, you can always you can
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always work out of all of the situations. I was confronted
with, Ashley Babbitt's mother with
regards to this because I I added into the statement that they can't take away
your birthday. She made the call to me. You know, she took away my daughter's
birthday. And she was still the first bit now. It was,
hopefully, down on the a large ticket. That's the worst. With the first of the
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voice mail birthday. But I'm thinking a lot about how she,
Ashton's father, is still here making choices. And,
she is making some really great choices
to help to create a platform for people like me who are in jail
on this January 1st incident, whatnot, to have a voice with,
shouting the minority, prisoners
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that are inside of this jail. And, you know? I think over time, we'll have
a huge repercussions. So I'm like, even if that you know? They
we say they can't take away your birthday unless they actually, you know, do
it, which is tragic. But even the people,
you know, you still always have a choice. I'm not even sure if that you
know, she took she's she's made this into an opportunity to do a lot of
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real good things, you know, so you always have a choice.
Indeed. And what I love about that is it's
empowering, and it's true, and it
helps us take full responsibility. It does.
No matter what somebody does to you, you have you have a choice.
And you know what? It's really tricky talking about this in the office. Well, they've
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taken so much from me. So I was like, yeah. Maybe.
But at the same time, we have a choice. And she made those good choices.
You determine the outcome like this, and maybe we could talk even Marie can
talk about some of the things that have been a huge positive since it
was time to be here, being reminded of the company, how
our lives have changed if we're we're choosing a new trajectory with our lives. No
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matter how long it's left, someday, I will come home. That's the best I wanna
call back. Alright. I think that sounds
good. Marie, we're gonna have Taylor back in 15 minutes. You
good? I was just thinking about Ashley's mom because that is something that
we've talked about a ton in our married life, Taylor and I, that they can't
take away your birthday. Like, you know, with different
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things that happen, difficult things. You know, we've gone
through some financial struggles in the past and different things like that, and we're
like, you know, we have each other, and they can't Taylor take away our birthdays.
It was it was actually something his mom used to say too,
which we kind of adopted in our home. But it's
interesting, you know, with her with Ashley Babbit's mom, the
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pain that has been caused by someone's choices, you
know, that to do that. But like Taylor said, I don't wanna
say too much because it's not my story, but, you know, Mickey,
I can't remember her last name, Ashley's mother Mhmm. Had an
experience that pushed her to start supporting January
6 prisoners Mhmm. Because of what happened with her daughter.
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And, Lisa, I don't know if you can share a website on here.
It's called for Ashley, and it's the number 4
and then Lisa, a s h l I,
dot com, I think is what it is. Okay. Here
we go. I'm gonna share my screen. I have it up. And
we've talked about the vigils that happen in the afternoon,
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in the evenings Mhmm. In in some of the other vigils.
So they have this website and they put a lot of
things on here, news articles, things that shed light
on January 6th. If you go down
Mhmm. They also have, like, different ways that they're
standing up to help. And these are all, like, choices
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that these people have made. And so Ashley's mom is
in this picture, this top picture, and then those are other women like this.
2 of those women I know have husbands that are in jail. Mhmm.
And then other people that have felt compelled to join
the cause. And and then if you keep going down, there are actually a
handful of, like, nonprofits that have been formed from
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what's happened with January 6th. Yeah. Yep. So there's
different nonprofits. There's different websites, different Facebook
pages, groups. And these are all people that Freedom something
that's been difficult, that's touched their lives, that a lot of
these people had never seen jail before. We've never experienced
anything with the jail system, anything like that.
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Like, these people are all of a sudden standing up for
4 different things within that. And those are choices that choices that
they've made to have that happiness in their lives and to
have, like, a hole in their hearts be, you know, complete with
they put our website up on there too. That's awesome. Anyway,
so I just think even when things are
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difficult, you do always have the choice. This is
actually a really cool website if anyone wants to It really
is. Look at that. Isn't that awesome? They
did a great job. And this January 6th defendant court
calendar. I know it's that. Look
at this. Yeah. So people can go sit in on hearings
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and trials and stuff like that. They have
And these are all of them. Oh
my lord. Isn't it wild? Look at
all of this and who's funding all of this?
Yeah. It's it that's the part. They just
have endless funds. Where's
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Taylor's? He's the 3rd. April
3rd. Lambert. Yep. There he
is. There it is. And look at that. You've got Trump here too.
Same day. Yeah. Yeah.
Isn't that wild? So that's our sentencing date.
So that's coming up on 3rd. One of those, nonprofits
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there was actually able to help me and 3 of my kids get
tickets to go to his sentencing, plane tickets.
And and Look at this. On that Friday.
Yeah. Isn't that wild? And how much are they
how much I mean, you got funding for that. Thank
god. I'm so happy that you guys are able to go and the kids are
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going. That's awesome. But who is funding
this? We are. We, The People, are funding
this. How how are we funding
this? Is it our taxpayer money? Is it our birth
certificate fund fund money, the bonds that they create?
So, Lisa, this this is here, March
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12th. Go down to the bottom. Yeah. This
is only through April 4th 19th. Yep.
This is a month. This is 1 month. Yep. Pretty
crazy. Really? It's it's
disturbing at the very least. But, yeah, thank you
for sharing that website. That's incredible. And, the framing of what we're
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talking about here today, it's all part of the same tapestry. It's
all part of comprehending the system we're in.
And we volunteered. We volunteered
for this. People, depending on how deep down
you're in the rabbit hole of comprehending who we
are and how we're acting and what we talked about last
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episode, people versus person, what
we're called upon is to stand as people,
living people and take responsibility. Because
in that, we are free. Yeah. We do not have
the sense of freedom as the person, as Taylor was pointing
to, as a subject of the corporation
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under the corporate guidelines and laws. We're employees of the corporation
in the citizen or the amendment
stand. But we can always choose to stand in
the human isn't the right word,
Living being, man and woman. Yep.
Totally. I wrote down a couple of things that maybe we could talk about in
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between calls, and this kinda goes along with this too, choosing
happiness and being present within yourself. You know, as a
I think the best way to describe it as a moral sentient
being. So on Sundays, and we've talked about this too, I
do that devotional, and different inmates can call
in and just share whatever they want. So they share a scripture. They share what's
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going on with them, what, you know, experiences that they've had, and
it is fascinating to see. Know, we've had people that come
in that had just gone through trial, people that had been
they felt unjustly compelled to take plea deals
and to agree to things that they didn't agree
with or maybe to say things that they
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wouldn't say freely. And, you
know, during the
the devotional, it's just so fascinating to kind of
watch the process of you know, some people have been in there for a couple
years and they talk on there. Some people, you
know, are having issues at home that, you know, that week
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that everything just kinda fell apart or everything came together or,
you know, anything like that. And it's just so fascinating to see
how this experience, January 6th,
how it actually touches individuals. Like, we
look at the list of long names, like, you know, those hearings.
Like, every one of those people has a family. Every one of those people
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has you know, like, are fighting for their lives.
And and it's not just their lives. Right? Your entire
family is affected by this. The key
of 5 children. Yeah. You have an entire
life that is disrupted. And Yeah.
The fact that what you've talked about in other episodes,
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you can't do something that's gonna harm yourself in defending
yourself. And the plea deals in order if you plead guilty for something
you're not guilty for, that's playing the game.
Perfect. And the fact that they, the the system,
has brought these charges, the system is doing what the system believes
it is supposed to do, what it's been ordered to do
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under the legislation that were under war acts that
go back 100 of years, and that, you know, it's
it's this devilish game. Yeah. And
it's crazy because it really isn't about what you did. It's about playing the
game. So there are people there that actually did, like, hurt
someone or did bring something that could be used as a
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weapon that is they're getting way less time than what is suggested
for Taylor. And it's just so fascinating because it's not
about what you did. It's about the game that you play that
they have set up. And so yeah. It just
I keep going back to the Ayn Rand, the Atlas shrugged?
Yeah. Atlas shrugged. And, you know,
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at some point, you just say, I'm just not
gonna participate. I just don't Taylor go on strike.
They're like, I'm not I'm not giving them my energy anymore, and they go to
Galt's Gulch, and they create heaven on earth, which is the ultimate
homesteading situation, the way I see it. Yeah. And they use their
talents, and they trade. Mhmm. And and
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maybe that's what we need to do. And they use their choice to do that,
and they are free people. They're free will, and they
choose to be happy, and they choose to use their talents and
accept the sacred trust and the exclusive
equity in the situation and treat each other morally.
Yep. They don't harm. They don't trespass one another. And, you know, it
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is an interesting thought because I think a lot of the times that's some of
the desperation that people feel like You know? And I know a lot of the
people like, Taylor has a ton of people that support him that are
Chinese Americans. You mentioned that. Yeah. And to
them, it's like, where else do we go? Like, we came here to be free,
and now we're seeing this and it's terrifying. You know?
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So it is it's another choice, like,
not to be at the whim of the government or whatever they do. Like,
they're, at some point, you kinda step
back. There's this book called The Untethered Soul. It's
by a fellow named Michael Singer. Anyway, he talks
about the voice in your head. Mhmm. And if you can
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kinda step back. So the idea is that, you know, we constantly have
these thoughts in our head and we often think that that is kind of our
inner soul. Mhmm. And and it's kind of a mixture in
there. Yes. So Mhmm. He show he teaches you in the book
how to kinda step back and watch that voice in your head
Yeah. As if it's a movie. Be observational. A
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100%. And so you take yeah. You will you take a
seat of consciousness and you watch that instead of, like,
being emotionally involved in it and seeing those thoughts go through. And and
and, like, normally, you would be like, oh, yeah. They did that and this really
made me mad. But instead, you're just watching it go through without any
emotion. And so you Taylor that out, and you're like, wow.
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I have a lot of crazy thoughts in there. And most
of them, I don't claim because they're not me. Like, I don't I'm okay with
that. If that person chooses to do that, I choose not to to argue
or I choose not to worry about that or talk to someone else about that
because this isn't me. I don't have you know? And
so it's one of those yeah. Lisa, I yeah. Go ahead.
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Have you read Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now? Uh-huh.
So he talks about the pathology. Like, we're totally pathological. Our
you cannot believe your thoughts. Like, you if you
can create the separation and do the observation
of it and I found a little trick where I I literally
say, I respect you for feeling
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and thinking this way, but I am gonna put you over here, and I
am gonna tell you that you are not the controller of
me. You are not my agency. I
am in charge of me, and I am gonna choose to
not disrespect these thoughts. I get that you're there,
but you're not going to control me. Yeah. I am
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the boss of me, and I am gonna choose my state. That has been
very powerful for me. And and the power of now was tough for me to
get through because he literally says, if you comprehend what I'm saying, you don't get
it. Right? And I was like, okay. Well,
how am I going getting it? Right?
Yeah. Yeah. So it it is just fascinating, but
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some of me kind of, you know, kind of learning how to control that and
watch that and see that, and and then teaching kids to do
it too. You know, not being a victim of whatever thoughts or
feelings or things that come up. It,
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when you understand your own self worth, then you can project it and
do things according to that. And I think that too, like, when you understand the
power of your choice and the power of, like,
this mind in here that kinda goes crazy and taking a step back and not
being emotionally involved. And I think even with Taylor, like,
the where he's at with, you know, in
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jail, like, a lot of the guys are like, you're different than
than all of us. What is going on? You know? And
he's like they're like, it's like you're present. You're like okay
with you know? And Well, he's but he's what he's able to
do is accept the gift and the suffering. Yeah. Yeah.
Surrender to it and teach to it, and he is different. And
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I was talking about him this morning with someone that I'm very
excited to introduce you to, which I'll tell you about later. But I see
him as a portal, and I see your family as a portal, and it's
divine. He was selected, unfortunately, to go
through this. All of you were because you can and because you have the
ability to choose the gift in it and to teach how
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we all can get through this. And we have more
capability and strength than we can even surmise.
We can get through if Viktor Frankl can get through it and come
back and write that book and tell us it is a
choice to to get through this with a positive
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mindset. And that doesn't mean you're not hopeful. It's just
you can set a date on the hope because he knew that was gonna set
him up, and he never gave up. You never give
up, and your sweetheart's calling. Awesome.
You're back. Hey, Joe. Hey, honey. I am
back. Yay. Well, we always have so much fun because
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you inspire conversations that just can't spawn you from going deeper
and deeper. So we're solving the problems of the world, and we've realized
that you are indeed a portal and that you're probably chosen to
go through this because you have the gift to choose
to see the gift in the suffering and to
teach from it. Thank you for saying that. Let me
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get back to my my room here. I choose see, I always make a little
joke. Like, I don't call up myself. I call up my room. I don't get
locked in at night. I get turned down further. So I'm just trying to turn
it out a little bit. Right? And and you love your little orange suit. She
looks great in orange. Always has. So one of the
things one of the one of the things, one of the things
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that's in, that's search for me. There's a quote that sells
let me just find the quote here. Make sure I get it
right. It says oh, it's it's,
dastobeski, dastobeski.
He says that. He says, there's only one thing I dread, not to be worthy
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of my suffering. And then he keeps I'll take the Franco goes on to
say, the way in which that acceptance Taylor in all the suffering it
entails, the way in which he takes up the cross gives him ample
opportunity, even under the most difficult circumstances, to add
deeper meaning to his life. It may remain brave,
dignified, and unselfish. Or in the bitter
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fight of self preservation, he may forget his human dignity and become no more than
an animal. Here lies the chance for a man either to make use
of or to go the opportunities of attain the moral
values that are difficult to manipulate the man for him. And that this
decides whether he is worthy of suffering or not.
And and I love I love that quote and that there's only one
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thing I'd dream. It's not worth getting myself right. And that is something
that I can very much try to
remember that. Because there are some funds in here where it's
pretty guarded. You know? It's pretty rolling. And you can feel a
lot of despair. You know? You can you can sense a lot of despair from
the people around around you. You know? We in this particular deal, we have
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the horrible toxic news. Like, you know, all day long, we have to watch the
news and like, Jeff Bezos, Amazon News Source,
but it's super left wing leading. I mean, like, today, they have the
the stuff with the guy that did the the report off
by Taylor lots of by darkness. And they kept every time we were ever.
But to not even have any semblance of a $10
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of gas. And we're sitting here going, is the whole world listening to this? You
know, is this is this how the world proceeds this? Like because we're we're, you
know, we we're such a situation like all the dudes in the
region. So curated from the from the left, the people that hate us.
Right? So it's really easy to get lost with this feeling of the flight
that we use this, you know, half the world which is within light up against
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the wall of this. You know? Like, it's very difficult not to feel that
way. But then there's just have to, like, keep the faith
and to think, okay. Like, what are what are we gonna do to
solve it? Some some people in here, they make different choices. They shut down. Some
people can't give their cell phone to different prices and addictions.
Some people are, you know, taking all of their own thought,
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political outcomes. Very difficult. Like, what if the political out
outcome that would happen? You don't lose yourself. You know, there's there's there's
different levels. And being in here, I'd
tell them to just try to continue to talk about that.
And I'm sure that the people that that's recording this in
that that would that's y'all. But, you know, the Birmingham the letter from
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Birmingham deal with Martin Luther King wrote would have been nearly as effective as it
has the risk of a debt. Right? So I just look at it and
say, you know, I've got to make something of this. Like, this experience
can't be forgotten. It cannot be forgotten. You know? My
biggest fear is that I'd not be worthy of my suffering. Right? And I don't
even like to call it suffering. What what is it? It's not a trial or
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a doubt. We're feeling it now. And every time in my life that I've had
a trial or a challenge and I endure it and I endure it well, then
I come out stronger. And so that's just something to
remember, you know, that that that deal would make us stronger, Kelly Clarkson
says. So Yeah. Yeah. I
mean, I I I appreciate that you say that. It's
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it's there isn't really a feeling of grandiosity to
it. It's just a matter of this is this is the way I felt. You
know, it's it's it's all my choices and to try to keep my head
about me and try to remember the in the dark moments like
that. You know? In the frame, I learned a lot. I don't know.
They are available other than tweak. Oh. And so a lot of the world
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is going on. People were stuck in here. Right? Like,
the world is a fleet to some of the things that happened inside of the
jail room prison. Well, slowly, we could just stand up and make a difference.
Like, never made long. That's fun. And to just kinda
be clicking on the document even when everyone else who saw it. And
yeah. To ask you, you know, to try to have it. It is a
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choice. It's absolutely a choice. Well, I'm so proud of
you. I I'm just getting to know you and your
Lisa. And it makes me feel
better about humanity to know that
you're capable of doing this. It gives me so much strength,
Taylor, that you are fully able
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to cognize what's happening, take responsibility
where you can, and not give up
or become less of a man.
Like, it helps me be become more of a woman and a living
woman and to be that people, not that person.
You are an incredible light for me and I think
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for many of our listeners. I honestly, like
I'm honestly just trying to do it for me. I get it. And and
that's what and that's what you gotta do.
Yep. I'm really glad that other people can take take heart from
it and spirit it. Like, it's it's ultimately an act of
self respect. Like, I'm trying to do it for me, and that's one of the
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things Nina Marie and I talk about a lot. It's like, it doesn't really matter
if anybody else hears that or gets what message you're you
know? It's like, no. I'm doing it for me. You know what I mean? Like,
I'm doing it because I feel like it's the right thing. It's the same thing
with Marie. Like, we're doing it feel like the right thing. I'm I'm not sure
if we told you about her as well. Did she share share with you
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that? No. Not yet. Oh,
so so one of the things in the chat is always something here. We're looking
we're looking at it. Oh my god. You know? I've been Taylor to them for
12 years, and all of a sudden, I'm gone and, you know, Lisa whole school
of kids. And I was like, what what are we gonna do? Like, she she
can't just go get a job making the kind of money I used to make
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to support the household. You know? So she's looking at the budget. She's
like, okay. What do I like time? Well, one of our kids' swimming swimming
lessons is gonna be for something. Do we cut football for my
oldest daughter? Can we talk basketball for my son? Like, you know, we need to
do extra things in the budget. And it's like, you can't cut the
points. That's their life right now. And not like that, but with me gone, you
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know, we want these coaches in my son's lives. You know, we want
my daughter to hear her. Let's do the music stuff that she loves the
phone. We're like, that's probably you know, 1 in 31 that the girls would
have ever been incarcerated. It looks really incredible. 1 out of
28 children has an incarcerated parent. Wow.
Huge number. We have the largest population in the world, both
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for capita and by volume. Wow. A a lot of
time that led to a fact that at least one out of every child in
a classroom statistically have a parent in prison.
Right? So that means that child is likely set back financially, is
unable to participate in action or etcetera, etcetera. And so
Marie started a nonprofit. We want to be the change you wanna see in the
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world. So she started a nonprofit to help
facilitate after school athletics, swim teams,
football camp, guitar, Seattle, and to have a car
created banner. So, you know, we took something that was that was
put upon us, and we said, look. If we want this
change, then we have to be the change. And so, you know, Marie,
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you can talk about maybe after we hang up, how you incorporated it. You're
finally off the off the ground and kinda get going and just started to get
funded for it. But this is the kind of choices you have to make.
You can't just take your suffering and say, well, it's me. You have to look
at it and go, okay. Well, what what can I do to alleviate not only
my suffering, but then someone else will have the thought and Taylor that? How do
I build the bridge? Right? If if you've gotta come across the
(47:07):
the where you have to build it for yourself. Although, you might be the
first one to walk across it. You know what I mean? And
well, that is that's not to do. It's like, whenever you're encountered with a
trial, not only do you have a personal choice, but your personal choice cannot pass
it. And, you know, I I just think
I've talked about many times many times, but I've laid awake at night thinking, you
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know, it's so funny that this is happening to us, that I'm
thinking about all these life teacher kids that will be benefited by having the
coach or, you know, having a to get the the ability to do
athletics or things like that. That that might have been wrong, but,
you know, due to their parents incarceration. And, you know, we
don't want the children to be guilty of their parents since. And, you
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know, what's the big deal if we talk to other inmates when they're here? Yeah.
I know. Almost everyone in here has lost their home. They've lost their
cars. A lot of these guys have lost their families altogether, their
childhood and left them. You know? They're we've been and, family needed
from their children. Why is that? Because they couldn't often support the things that they
used to do. They could no longer offer it. But, like, they should have not
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looked in the directions. Well, if you could come in and say, hey. How about,
you know, we help your child maintain that one extent you're made. How about
we help these different situations? Because alleviating that burden. Right? A
lot of these as I've mentioned, the other guys care, they're like, man, you know,
where have you been? And it's like, well, we're just getting started. Hopefully, we can
give up a call. But, you know, again, choices. Right?
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You've always got a choice how you react to the font and you get the
perfect cast. Beautiful. That's amazing,
Marie. I can't believe with all you're doing, holding down the fort,
taking the 5 kids, you got the Peasants Perspective going.
You're doing these podcasts, and now you got this new
golly. Are you sleeping? It's barely, actually.
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I get, like, 4 hours at night.
Really incredible one. You both. Wanna give me
strength to kinda hang on to hang on to my diplomatic in
here. I think it's it's it's a beautiful system that you have,
and this is what marriage is all about. You help each
other. And, you know, when one's down, the other one pulls forward.
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And it's a system that feeds each other. The
infinity. Right? Yeah. It's beautiful. So, you know, when I think about
when I think about that phrase, the only the only there's only
one thing I dread, not to be worthy of my suffering. Right? I think about
this experience. I'm like, when this is all over, it might be the greatest blessing
we ever experienced. You know? Whereas I know talking to other people, and they
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cooked the day they went to January 6th. They cooked the day that these things
happened. I think Well, I don't know. I mean, I do wish that I had
spent 30 feet back from where I will. You know? I mean, if I
could go back in time, I would definitely not want to, you know, put myself
in a situation to be here. Mhmm. But at the same time, I'm like,
you know, god's will. I guess I guess it's about it. I
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mean, I I know in my heart I didn't do anything. I didn't cause injury
or harm. I didn't touch any cock. Whatever. You know? I didn't do any of
that even though I've been connected to a fault with the destruction of
congress. Okay. You know what I mean? At some point, I'm just like, I accept
all of that without arguing any of it because what's the point?
Right? But, well, there is a point to explain to you guys, but, you
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know, the idea of what, hey. You know, this is this is what it is.
So how do we move forward for care? How do we settle on both matters?
How do we, you know, try to take whatever is up to us
in life and make it a better day? The example of running out of
gas that I used earlier, you know, you run out of gas. You're like, okay.
I gotta keep my head about me. I gotta move forward, so maybe I start
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walking to the next gas station. You hitchhike. Next thing you know, you're in the
car with someone and you're sharing a a special experience or you're, you
know, alleviating some suffering that they might be going through. Or who knows? Maybe they're
having a bad day that, like, randomly pick up, need to hitchhike out of gas
because you chose not to get gas. But you she's a captain, and
you end up making a lifelong friend from someone who was having a bad
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day because you ran out and you ran out of gas, but they picked you
up and you would have never been that person that you don't run out of
gas. So instead of being bitter and angry, you you
attracted a friend. Right? That that's what happened to make affirmative
choices to be happy. Things start to work out. All of a sudden, you're like,
oh, that's that bad thing that happened to me, running out of gas, ended up
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being one of the best days of my life. You know, or it could have
been the worst day of your life if you just walk around with a brain
cloud over here. You know, that's that that you choose. If you choose
happiness, it'll work out. I love it. I'm gonna
choose happiness. I love it. Thank you for this. It's been
incredible and inspirational. Alright. Thank you, guys.
Love you, honey. Marie loves you, honey.
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I love you, honey. Alright. Be well, sweetheart. We'll talk to you soon.
Dang. So you're barely sleeping, this new endeavor. Tell us more.
I'm looking at the site. Is it on the site yet? So it's
actually leftbehindandwithout.org. So if you
go to that Okay. Left It's
a different f site. Leftbehind
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andwithout. Dotorg. Mhmm.
Oh, do you this woman is unreal, everybody.
Like, seriously, how much are you
getting done a day? I mean, look at
what sweet Marie is doing. There she is. Look
at that. It's and I have a friend that's helping me, and
(52:39):
she's awesome. So I'm super grateful. We wake up in the morning and start about
6:30, and we have a meeting in Marie morning. So
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Now you can subscribe. Look at you go. I mean, it was
even 2 months ago. You're like, how do you do a website? How
about jingle? There are you know, it's always good to
(53:24):
learn new things. You are on
fire, and it's beautiful. It's pretty fun.
I I like I said, I do have a friend that's helping me, and we
have a board now. We applied for 501c3,
so we are moving along. So, yes, if
you have if you know of an organization that wants to support us or if
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you know of an individual that wants to donate, we are super grateful
for anything. Well done,
Marie. That is amazing. Oh my goodness.
You are a whirlwind and such a
You're crazy. A little crazy in a little good way.
No. I love you. Alright. So is that a wrap?
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Do you want That is a wrap. Yeah. That was great. She's happiness. Mom
said. Absolutely. We're gonna listen to mama Taylor.
That's right. That's right. Alright, sweetheart. We'll come again
next week, and thank you. Much love. Yeah. Thank you
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Welcome, Marie. I'm so happy to have you back today. Thank
you. We're gonna be talking to Taylor in a little while,
and he's gonna call in. But before that, I think you have something special for
us. Right? Yeah. I was gonna read something that he wrote.
It's called happiness is a choice my mom said.
Cute. So I'll read this, and then he'll talk about this,
(00:44):
when he calls in. Perfect. So I'll just give give us a little good foundation
here. Everything can be taken from a man but one thing,
the last of human Freedom, to choose one's attitude in any
given circumstances, to choose one's own way.
This eternal truth was the conclusion of holocaust survivor
Viktor Frankl. I was taught this as a child,
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grounded to home, prevented from playing with my friends,
I'm sure, for some nonsense. I tell my mom I was bored.
I demanded some entertainment, something. She replied with a
statement of fact, I've never been able to distill further.
Happiness is a choice. Our country threw off the shackles
of tyranny with the infamous declaration of independence wherein Thomas
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Jefferson wrote, we hold these truths to be self evident that all
men are created equal, and they are endowed by their creator
with unalienable rights. Among these are life,
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The founding
fathers understood that happiness was achieved by living a life
in accord with God's natural law. The natural law
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is true law. As Cicero in Rome described,
true law is right reason in agreement with nature. It is
a universal application, unchanging and everlasting.
It summons to duty by its commands and averts from wrongdoings
by its prohibition. It is a sin to try to alter this
law nor is allowable to repeal any part of it and
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is impossible to abolish it entirely. We cannot be
freed from it its obligations by the senate or people, and we need
to look outside ourselves for an expounder or interpreter of
it. And there will not be different laws at Rome and at
Athens, and Taylor added, or in the USA or
DC or California or Mexico or different laws now
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and in the future. But one eternal and unchangeable law
will be valid for all nations and all times. And there will be one
master and ruler that is god over us all, for he is the
author of his law, its promulgator and enforcing
judge, whose disobedience is fleeing from himself and
denying him his human nature. And by the reason of his very
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fact, he will suffer the worst punishment. Your right to
pursue happiness cannot be abandoned by legislatures or
legislators. It cannot be altered. It cannot be repealed
even by the people themselves, even though in ignorance, we
may fain to do so. In natural law, we are dealing with
absolute reality. 1 +1equals2. A
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is a. John Adams explained, all men
are born free and independent and have certain natural,
essential, and unalienable rights, among which
may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties,
that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property,
and find that of seeking and obtaining their safety and
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happiness. Happiness is a choice, said my mother. Life,
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is living in accordance with natural
law, true law. The wisest of all men once
said, the truth will set you free. In Black's
Law Dictionary under liberty, liberty to contract, it
Freedom, the ability at will to make or abstain Freedom making a binding
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obligation forced by sanctions at the law. The right
to contract about one's affairs, including the right to make
contract of employment and to obtain the best terms one can
as a result of a of private bargaining. It
includes the corresponding right to accept a contract
proposed. It means freedom from arbitrary or unreasonable
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restraint. The right to make contracts with competent persons
on a place of relative parity of or freedom of choice and within
the limits allowed or not forbidden by law.
Your right to be happy is unalenable.
You cannot even take your choice to be happy away from
yourself. Even the US Supreme Court has established through Erie
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versus Tompkins that in essence, everything is a
contract. You have a choice to pursue happiness exercising
your liberty to contract by choice. Salt Lake attorney
Denver Sniffer asked, what in the end do you price most? Do
you price all the risks, all of the responsibilities, all of the
potential for failure, all of the individual accountability?
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I mean, what was the purpose of the constitution?
It was to make you free so that you can exercise moral agency,
and you get the opportunities to succeed or fail. The
purpose of the constitution is to set you in a position in which it
is possible for you to accomplish either one so
that you you become accountable. Not to some
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someone back in Washington, not someone to whom you have surrendered your
choice, not someone else to run your life, not someone else to tell
you the comings and goings, the wins and the wheres and the
whys. You, the constitution, was designed to accomplish.
You become morally accountable because you are the agent
that gets to choose. Cowardice is
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anyone who would try to lay hold on the riches of heaven. Because
down here in this dark well, you have the opportunity to prove
who you are. You have an opportunity to prove what you
are, and you don't prove that you are anything worth preserving
to eternity if you don't live with nobility. You
must use your liberty to choose. And I don't care who
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is pressuring you or what means they think they can employ,
even the full weight of the federal government. That statement,
I regret that I have but one life to live to give for my
country, is not the language of a slave. It's
not even the language of a captive. There is a man who is free
indeed, even though he's about to be killed.
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You know we lack fortitude, and we Lisa lack self confidence to hold
on to our freedom. You surrender to fashion. You surrender to peer
pressure. You surrender to those people that you think are
respected members of society. You surrender, but you don't
have to. Freedom is still possible to this day.
Happiness is a choice, mom said.
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Beautiful. Taylor wrote that one day. He
was he we were talking about some of the things that he's written in
jail. This one, I haven't posted yet up yet on our website.
But he said sometimes they just kinda flow. You
know? And it all comes together as one idea. And
we talked last week about the Marie
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versus Tompkins, the Supreme Court case.
We talked about contracting. And so it's
interesting in light of that to think about choosing your
choice, your freedom, and also choosing
your contracts. So I had a neighbor
that stopped by my house the other day and was like, Marie, I have to
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show you this YouTube video. And I was like, yes. Send it over. And she's
like, you are not gonna believe this. We were all bonded when we were born.
And I was like, Pat, I I, you know, I do know about
that. You know? And, anyway, so we talked about it for a little bit,
and and I watched the video. It was a
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kinda an animated video describing it, which was fascinating.
But the same ideas of not realizing some of the contracts that we enter
into through birth certificates, through social social
security cards, numbers, through all sorts of things, driver's
licenses, all sorts of things. And and, you know,
just the thought of, you know, what do you own? What is yours? What
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belongs to the state? What do we give to the state? All those different
things. You are free to contract, but it's
really good to know what you're signing. And and the
on a and with yeah. On a fundamental level
Yeah. You're taking this to
bare tax when you bring up Viktor Frankl because what is he
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first doing? He's before he's contracting,
he's choosing what is he choosing? He's free to choose, even though he's
incarcerated, his state. He's choosing
his state to be happy. And I remember reading that
book. I was profoundly moved. You are you read the
best books. Like, we really
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I so appreciate the ones you bring up. And what he was saying, he's
the one who said it broke his heart to watch the people's hearts be broken
that would say, I'm gonna get out by Christmas. And then
they wouldn't get out of their incarceration, and they would die of a broken
heart. Too much. Yeah. Too much. And that's what kept him going
because he chose his state. So we
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are only as free as we are able to
protect that freedom and to to claim the freedom that we
have. And our freedom in our mind, in our state starts,
and then it comes to the contracting. Right? So that's the first
contract with self. And your husband's calling. Right.
Hi. Hi, Taylor. You got Marie and Lisa? Hi. How
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are you doing, Paula? Super good. She just read your your newest
post, and it's beautiful. I love it. The
choice to be happy, mama said.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Start off with that.
What'd you say, Tay? Do you have an do we have any questions?
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No. So I just read your, happiness as a choice. Do you wanna
share anything else with that? You know, there's still
2 things that are what we're what looks at this. First of all, first of
all, is there's kind of this element of, you know, a spiritual
element of just controlling your outlook on life, controlling your attitude that at the
end of a day, you're the one no matter what, you know, set of circumstances
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you're in, the play bigger play will discover even in the books of the
holocaust. You know, throughout his book, he
talks about the attitude of the of the people that were going
through that holocaust. These were people that were guilty of no hives. These were
guilty of people who Marie no sin. Right? Who made no
heir, school heir, government heir, but kids were simply there.
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They're burned, you know, by simply being Jewish or gypsy or
whatever the case was. They get to hurt them anything.
They're stuck with their families, they're stuck with everything
together. The last the last the last one that you're putting up, the last
one that you control is your response to any in a situation.
But if anybody has ever read the book, Man's Search for Beauty, it's
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really a beautiful book because it does. It's a surprise. It's a very
it's very fact that no matter what happens, no matter what you feel
is your your response and outlook.
And, and so, you know, there's there's that. When you when
you consider the United States persistence of justice in the
world, in many cases, we are, you know,
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experiencing a cause and effect cause. Right? So there's many times when
I sit myself and I think I'm like, well, what did I do? What what
is it that happened that caused me to be here? Because it's just it's just
genuine for anybody in if any of these
situations to to claim that they're completely innocent one way or
another. Right? But there's a difference,
because if for any single person, you know, let's say you,
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you forgot to put gas in your car. You rush to work. You're like you
you run fly the gas station. You're like, oh, I probably have enough gas to
to get to work, and I'll I'll get gas on oil. And and you're 3
quarters to lay Taylor, and all of a sudden, you run out of gas. Well,
seem to be upset. You could be mad, but who Marie who are you mad
at? Does that make sense? You're mad at the car, you're mad at the gas
station, you know, or you're gonna be bad at yourself, or you could just
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say, oops, I made a mistake, and you can keep your head high. Go, okay.
Well, how do I get get through this situation? How do you belong to the
discussion or I could get back. Right? Does that make sense? Like, you choose
how you react. You could choose to have a bad attitude. You could choose to
have a good attitude. So on one hand, you've got that that element
of when mom said you choose to be happy, I was grounded. I
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remember, specifically, I was grounded because I was sitting towards the back of
the bus kids on the back of the bus were being legitimate. We have
doctors, rowdy, and we have some 2 keys here on
the trip we were on. She called, like, it's in the last 4
rows of the butt, lined us up with things like that. Almost was all gonna
be installed. All those parents, like, we were being rowdy and we wouldn't push
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through it. And I ended up getting in trouble, and I'm like, I'm not the
one who was being rowdy here. I was all upset. I got grounded. He said
that he was sitting in the wrong spot on the block. You know, in the
wrong place at the wrong side. And so and I remember that It
went down when he got this 1 per share of time on the ground, and
I think it was down for a week. Again, it was really anytime I get
trouble, it's fully felt like it worked for me on him. Right? And,
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and my mom put after this is the choice. And so I want you to
choose your knowledge no matter what, not to you in the position you're in, no
matter what it is, you could just like a choice. Yeah.
And then on the other side, you've got this element of, you know, we are
we are all the unalienable rights, the unalienable
rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. As you go through
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political theories, you read out law, you read a little bit of
philosophy, you start to realize that the potential of life
is the potential of private property. In accordance with
true law, God's law, these rules express, on the
very elements of what it needs to be found. So when we when we talk
about the bill of rights, life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, we're not
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talking about you could choose to be out here and have all the Xbox
games you want or here, you know, you have a right to just have all
the movies you want, or you have a right to eat as much sugar as
you want. That's not what happened. Right? Happiness is this idea that you're
living life in accordance with truth. And if you're doing that, then you typically
have and then experience a level of joy and a level of happiness. That's what
we can have a right to do. So here in the United States, and
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much of the Western world, that liberty has been has
been enumerated in our law, in our codes,
everything like that, but it's still a choice. So if you
go back, so is we say things really counter on,
government is by consent, our government is by agreement, not by the rule
for that law. But what does it mean to consent? Right? What
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does it mean to be by agreement? And so your your pursuit
of happiness is an element of choice. Right? Choose to
preserve life. You choose to preserve private quality, but you don't
slogging those things away. And the the pursuit of happiness is
kind of biting into that concept. And so when loss of
happiness is a choice, it's it's all a choice.
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Everything we go through in life is a series of choices that we
just politely make, including life, liberty,
pursuing patterns. These are these are, like, big elements. The more you study
them, the more you you start a promise, especially when it comes to life, liberty
and property, you start to wonder, well, can't the government take my property away? Sure.
They can't. They're all done. Right? But, ultimately, you
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get down to where big sister Franklin was at, where he goes, I still have
a choice. He's not playing. He can never take that away.
So all all choice, that's supposed to
be happy to choose your witch boss, then leads your children to
preserve private property, preserve life. It kind of goes both
directions. So I hope that kind of like, sound a little less
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clear, but that's that's kind of the concept I'm trying to get out of this.
Everything is a choice, and it's not a problem. Choose a pattern.
And our choices become our destiny. That's true.
True. There's no there's no other way to see it. And if if you're
not cognizant that you can choose happiness and you
can choose to stand in liberty and
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defend it. We're only as free as we're willing to
express that freedom. If we don't express the
freedom of the choice to be Freedom we don't express that
internally, like first, Right? If we can do it internally, then we can do
it externally. Lisa I don't I don't know how many go
ahead. One of the things that that we, as a people,
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have comprehend is the concept of agree to disagree.
Right? When you agree to disagree with somebody, you're not necessarily
arguing whatever they're telling you, whatever they're presenting, whatever
controversy they're saying. Sometimes you have to accept what it
is they're saying on its face, and then you're saying, okay. Well,
I agree, but I also agree not to
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proceed with this argument or not proceed. That that is a that
is a process of discharge that a lot of people
lose. Right? Some people are still committed to having a shared story
or a shared narrative or a shared set of facts that we
start to argue over each other's subjective
truth. And so part of this process of
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of everything is a choice is one of the choices we have
is to agree to disagree. And how do we
then get in the element of agree to disagree? How do you then
maintain your liberty, property, and your own personal
happiness? And I think that's where a lot of times we get in trouble, for
example, on some health justice system. We have a hard time
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recognizing that we are in a private bargain and that we
don't know how to go free to disagree. But but still the ad Freedom. You
see how there's an element of agreement? So it's all of what you could say,
you accept to disagree as as element of
choice. I love that. And it it's very peaceful, and
it's honorable. And I think it's it's it's also manners. You can
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apply it to the justice system, but you can also apply it to our
social construct. Right? It's like there's a lot of canceling. If you
don't agree, I'm canceling you. You know? If you don't agree and you don't, you
know, get into this herd mentality, then there's something wrong with you. Like,
what's wrong with you? Like, that's so disrespectful. Then you could
just say, hey. I I disagree or, you know, hey. I agree that you
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feel that way. So then take anything away from that person.
So the controversy, and if you say, I choose to go a
different direction. Are you okay with that? Yeah. Okay. Great.
We don't have to overlap. We don't have to have an agreement
beyond anything other than, I agree with what you said, but that's
it. It it it terminates the controversy. It terminates the
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offer. It terminates the the, you know, whatever it is that
creates a rub. Whatever creates a bind,
a bond, right, this this idea agree to
disagree. And so as you
marinate on these concepts, you start to recognize, well, I have a lot
of power. I don't have the power to take someone else, but I have the
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power to make my own choices. Always.
You always have a choice. Even if somebody's willing to
politically take your property, and I
thought back to all of that, the adopts the
Germans are willing to take your property. They're willing to take your call, their
will to to, you know, to inform your family relations, put
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people on different sides of the camp, what if families fall off the wall, they
will explain Taylor your transactions and everything like that. The one thing that they
could never actually take was your choice. And if you work
backwards, you know, that, you know, your choice it it it's
simple. I I Marie I know I need to think about writing a
little paper to kind of explain this process here, but, you know,
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once you recognize where your power lies, that's where you go. Like,
hey. I agree that you are foreclosing out my
property, possibly illegally, possibly without my consent
or whatever. Because you have the power to do that. I'm not willing to oh,
god. It's out my way back. Right? It's not all effect. Thinking about the
thousands. They only did what they did in the barrel of a gun, basically.
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And, if you're not willing to fight back using the
same level of force, okay, I still have a choice. You know what I mean?
When you still have choices, you have a choice on how I resolve this. Yeah.
Yeah. Just remember that you're all done with folks, like, every every second. Once you
proactively take control of your choices, you're supposed to be done.
You know, even if it takes time and whatever, you can always you can
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always work out of all of the situations. I was confronted
with, Ashley Babbitt's mother with
regards to this because I I added into the statement that they can't take away
your birthday. She made the call to me. You know, she took away my daughter's
birthday. And she was still the first bit now. It was,
hopefully, down on the a large ticket. That's the worst. With the first of the
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voice mail birthday. But I'm thinking a lot about how she,
Ashton's father, is still here making choices. And,
she is making some really great choices
to help to create a platform for people like me who are in jail
on this January 1st incident, whatnot, to have a voice with,
shouting the minority, prisoners
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that are inside of this jail. And, you know? I think over time, we'll have
a huge repercussions. So I'm like, even if that you know? They
we say they can't take away your birthday unless they actually, you know, do
it, which is tragic. But even the people,
you know, you still always have a choice. I'm not even sure if that you
know, she took she's she's made this into an opportunity to do a lot of
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real good things, you know, so you always have a choice.
Indeed. And what I love about that is it's
empowering, and it's true, and it
helps us take full responsibility. It does.
No matter what somebody does to you, you have you have a choice.
And you know what? It's really tricky talking about this in the office. Well, they've
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taken so much from me. So I was like, yeah. Maybe.
But at the same time, we have a choice. And she made those good choices.
You determine the outcome like this, and maybe we could talk even Marie can
talk about some of the things that have been a huge positive since it
was time to be here, being reminded of the company, how
our lives have changed if we're we're choosing a new trajectory with our lives. No
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matter how long it's left, someday, I will come home. That's the best I wanna
call back. Alright. I think that sounds
good. Marie, we're gonna have Taylor back in 15 minutes. You
good? I was just thinking about Ashley's mom because that is something that
we've talked about a ton in our married life, Taylor and I, that they can't
take away your birthday. Like, you know, with different
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things that happen, difficult things. You know, we've gone
through some financial struggles in the past and different things like that, and we're
like, you know, we have each other, and they can't Taylor take away our birthdays.
It was it was actually something his mom used to say too,
which we kind of adopted in our home. But it's
interesting, you know, with her with Ashley Babbit's mom, the
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pain that has been caused by someone's choices, you
know, that to do that. But like Taylor said, I don't wanna
say too much because it's not my story, but, you know, Mickey,
I can't remember her last name, Ashley's mother Mhmm. Had an
experience that pushed her to start supporting January
6 prisoners Mhmm. Because of what happened with her daughter.
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And, Lisa, I don't know if you can share a website on here.
It's called for Ashley, and it's the number 4
and then Lisa, a s h l I,
dot com, I think is what it is. Okay. Here
we go. I'm gonna share my screen. I have it up. And
we've talked about the vigils that happen in the afternoon,
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in the evenings Mhmm. In in some of the other vigils.
So they have this website and they put a lot of
things on here, news articles, things that shed light
on January 6th. If you go down
Mhmm. They also have, like, different ways that they're
standing up to help. And these are all, like, choices
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that these people have made. And so Ashley's mom is
in this picture, this top picture, and then those are other women like this.
2 of those women I know have husbands that are in jail. Mhmm.
And then other people that have felt compelled to join
the cause. And and then if you keep going down, there are actually a
handful of, like, nonprofits that have been formed from
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what's happened with January 6th. Yeah. Yep. So there's
different nonprofits. There's different websites, different Facebook
pages, groups. And these are all people that Freedom something
that's been difficult, that's touched their lives, that a lot of
these people had never seen jail before. We've never experienced
anything with the jail system, anything like that.
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Like, these people are all of a sudden standing up for
4 different things within that. And those are choices that choices that
they've made to have that happiness in their lives and to
have, like, a hole in their hearts be, you know, complete with
they put our website up on there too. That's awesome. Anyway,
so I just think even when things are
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difficult, you do always have the choice. This is
actually a really cool website if anyone wants to It really
is. Look at that. Isn't that awesome? They
did a great job. And this January 6th defendant court
calendar. I know it's that. Look
at this. Yeah. So people can go sit in on hearings
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and trials and stuff like that. They have
And these are all of them. Oh
my lord. Isn't it wild? Look at
all of this and who's funding all of this?
Yeah. It's it that's the part. They just
have endless funds. Where's
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Taylor's? He's the 3rd. April
3rd. Lambert. Yep. There he
is. There it is. And look at that. You've got Trump here too.
Same day. Yeah. Yeah.
Isn't that wild? So that's our sentencing date.
So that's coming up on 3rd. One of those, nonprofits
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there was actually able to help me and 3 of my kids get
tickets to go to his sentencing, plane tickets.
And and Look at this. On that Friday.
Yeah. Isn't that wild? And how much are they
how much I mean, you got funding for that. Thank
god. I'm so happy that you guys are able to go and the kids are
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going. That's awesome. But who is funding
this? We are. We, The People, are funding
this. How how are we funding
this? Is it our taxpayer money? Is it our birth
certificate fund fund money, the bonds that they create?
So, Lisa, this this is here, March
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12th. Go down to the bottom. Yeah. This
is only through April 4th 19th. Yep.
This is a month. This is 1 month. Yep. Pretty
crazy. Really? It's it's
disturbing at the very least. But, yeah, thank you
for sharing that website. That's incredible. And, the framing of what we're
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talking about here today, it's all part of the same tapestry. It's
all part of comprehending the system we're in.
And we volunteered. We volunteered
for this. People, depending on how deep down
you're in the rabbit hole of comprehending who we
are and how we're acting and what we talked about last
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episode, people versus person, what
we're called upon is to stand as people,
living people and take responsibility. Because
in that, we are free. Yeah. We do not have
the sense of freedom as the person, as Taylor was pointing
to, as a subject of the corporation
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under the corporate guidelines and laws. We're employees of the corporation
in the citizen or the amendment
stand. But we can always choose to stand in
the human isn't the right word,
Living being, man and woman. Yep.
Totally. I wrote down a couple of things that maybe we could talk about in
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between calls, and this kinda goes along with this too, choosing
happiness and being present within yourself. You know, as a
I think the best way to describe it as a moral sentient
being. So on Sundays, and we've talked about this too, I
do that devotional, and different inmates can call
in and just share whatever they want. So they share a scripture. They share what's
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going on with them, what, you know, experiences that they've had, and
it is fascinating to see. Know, we've had people that come
in that had just gone through trial, people that had been
they felt unjustly compelled to take plea deals
and to agree to things that they didn't agree
with or maybe to say things that they
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wouldn't say freely. And, you
know, during the
the devotional, it's just so fascinating to kind of
watch the process of you know, some people have been in there for a couple
years and they talk on there. Some people, you
know, are having issues at home that, you know, that week
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that everything just kinda fell apart or everything came together or,
you know, anything like that. And it's just so fascinating to see
how this experience, January 6th,
how it actually touches individuals. Like, we
look at the list of long names, like, you know, those hearings.
Like, every one of those people has a family. Every one of those people
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has you know, like, are fighting for their lives.
And and it's not just their lives. Right? Your entire
family is affected by this. The key
of 5 children. Yeah. You have an entire
life that is disrupted. And Yeah.
The fact that what you've talked about in other episodes,
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you can't do something that's gonna harm yourself in defending
yourself. And the plea deals in order if you plead guilty for something
you're not guilty for, that's playing the game.
Perfect. And the fact that they, the the system,
has brought these charges, the system is doing what the system believes
it is supposed to do, what it's been ordered to do
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under the legislation that were under war acts that
go back 100 of years, and that, you know, it's
it's this devilish game. Yeah. And
it's crazy because it really isn't about what you did. It's about playing the
game. So there are people there that actually did, like, hurt
someone or did bring something that could be used as a
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weapon that is they're getting way less time than what is suggested
for Taylor. And it's just so fascinating because it's not
about what you did. It's about the game that you play that
they have set up. And so yeah. It just
I keep going back to the Ayn Rand, the Atlas shrugged?
Yeah. Atlas shrugged. And, you know,
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at some point, you just say, I'm just not
gonna participate. I just don't Taylor go on strike.
They're like, I'm not I'm not giving them my energy anymore, and they go to
Galt's Gulch, and they create heaven on earth, which is the ultimate
homesteading situation, the way I see it. Yeah. And they use their
talents, and they trade. Mhmm. And and
(32:50):
maybe that's what we need to do. And they use their choice to do that,
and they are free people. They're free will, and they
choose to be happy, and they choose to use their talents and
accept the sacred trust and the exclusive
equity in the situation and treat each other morally.
Yep. They don't harm. They don't trespass one another. And, you know, it
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is an interesting thought because I think a lot of the times that's some of
the desperation that people feel like You know? And I know a lot of the
people like, Taylor has a ton of people that support him that are
Chinese Americans. You mentioned that. Yeah. And to
them, it's like, where else do we go? Like, we came here to be free,
and now we're seeing this and it's terrifying. You know?
(33:34):
So it is it's another choice, like,
not to be at the whim of the government or whatever they do. Like,
they're, at some point, you kinda step
back. There's this book called The Untethered Soul. It's
by a fellow named Michael Singer. Anyway, he talks
about the voice in your head. Mhmm. And if you can
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kinda step back. So the idea is that, you know, we constantly have
these thoughts in our head and we often think that that is kind of our
inner soul. Mhmm. And and it's kind of a mixture in
there. Yes. So Mhmm. He show he teaches you in the book
how to kinda step back and watch that voice in your head
Yeah. As if it's a movie. Be observational. A
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100%. And so you take yeah. You will you take a
seat of consciousness and you watch that instead of, like,
being emotionally involved in it and seeing those thoughts go through. And and
and, like, normally, you would be like, oh, yeah. They did that and this really
made me mad. But instead, you're just watching it go through without any
emotion. And so you Taylor that out, and you're like, wow.
(34:40):
I have a lot of crazy thoughts in there. And most
of them, I don't claim because they're not me. Like, I don't I'm okay with
that. If that person chooses to do that, I choose not to to argue
or I choose not to worry about that or talk to someone else about that
because this isn't me. I don't have you know? And
so it's one of those yeah. Lisa, I yeah. Go ahead.
(35:02):
Have you read Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now? Uh-huh.
So he talks about the pathology. Like, we're totally pathological. Our
you cannot believe your thoughts. Like, you if you
can create the separation and do the observation
of it and I found a little trick where I I literally
say, I respect you for feeling
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and thinking this way, but I am gonna put you over here, and I
am gonna tell you that you are not the controller of
me. You are not my agency. I
am in charge of me, and I am gonna choose to
not disrespect these thoughts. I get that you're there,
but you're not going to control me. Yeah. I am
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the boss of me, and I am gonna choose my state. That has been
very powerful for me. And and the power of now was tough for me to
get through because he literally says, if you comprehend what I'm saying, you don't get
it. Right? And I was like, okay. Well,
how am I going getting it? Right?
Yeah. Yeah. So it it is just fascinating, but
(36:09):
some of me kind of, you know, kind of learning how to control that and
watch that and see that, and and then teaching kids to do
it too. You know, not being a victim of whatever thoughts or
feelings or things that come up. It,
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when you understand your own self worth, then you can project it and
do things according to that. And I think that too, like, when you understand the
power of your choice and the power of, like,
this mind in here that kinda goes crazy and taking a step back and not
being emotionally involved. And I think even with Taylor, like,
the where he's at with, you know, in
(36:52):
jail, like, a lot of the guys are like, you're different than
than all of us. What is going on? You know? And
he's like they're like, it's like you're present. You're like okay
with you know? And Well, he's but he's what he's able to
do is accept the gift and the suffering. Yeah. Yeah.
Surrender to it and teach to it, and he is different. And
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I was talking about him this morning with someone that I'm very
excited to introduce you to, which I'll tell you about later. But I see
him as a portal, and I see your family as a portal, and it's
divine. He was selected, unfortunately, to go
through this. All of you were because you can and because you have the
ability to choose the gift in it and to teach how
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we all can get through this. And we have more
capability and strength than we can even surmise.
We can get through if Viktor Frankl can get through it and come
back and write that book and tell us it is a
choice to to get through this with a positive
(37:57):
mindset. And that doesn't mean you're not hopeful. It's just
you can set a date on the hope because he knew that was gonna set
him up, and he never gave up. You never give
up, and your sweetheart's calling. Awesome.
You're back. Hey, Joe. Hey, honey. I am
back. Yay. Well, we always have so much fun because
(38:19):
you inspire conversations that just can't spawn you from going deeper
and deeper. So we're solving the problems of the world, and we've realized
that you are indeed a portal and that you're probably chosen to
go through this because you have the gift to choose
to see the gift in the suffering and to
teach from it. Thank you for saying that. Let me
(38:42):
get back to my my room here. I choose see, I always make a little
joke. Like, I don't call up myself. I call up my room. I don't get
locked in at night. I get turned down further. So I'm just trying to turn
it out a little bit. Right? And and you love your little orange suit. She
looks great in orange. Always has. So one of the
things one of the one of the things, one of the things
(39:03):
that's in, that's search for me. There's a quote that sells
let me just find the quote here. Make sure I get it
right. It says oh, it's it's,
dastobeski, dastobeski.
He says that. He says, there's only one thing I dread, not to be worthy
(39:25):
of my suffering. And then he keeps I'll take the Franco goes on to
say, the way in which that acceptance Taylor in all the suffering it
entails, the way in which he takes up the cross gives him ample
opportunity, even under the most difficult circumstances, to add
deeper meaning to his life. It may remain brave,
dignified, and unselfish. Or in the bitter
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fight of self preservation, he may forget his human dignity and become no more than
an animal. Here lies the chance for a man either to make use
of or to go the opportunities of attain the moral
values that are difficult to manipulate the man for him. And that this
decides whether he is worthy of suffering or not.
And and I love I love that quote and that there's only one
(40:08):
thing I'd dream. It's not worth getting myself right. And that is something
that I can very much try to
remember that. Because there are some funds in here where it's
pretty guarded. You know? It's pretty rolling. And you can feel a
lot of despair. You know? You can you can sense a lot of despair from
the people around around you. You know? We in this particular deal, we have
(40:30):
the horrible toxic news. Like, you know, all day long, we have to watch the
news and like, Jeff Bezos, Amazon News Source,
but it's super left wing leading. I mean, like, today, they have the
the stuff with the guy that did the the report off
by Taylor lots of by darkness. And they kept every time we were ever.
But to not even have any semblance of a $10
(40:53):
of gas. And we're sitting here going, is the whole world listening to this? You
know, is this is this how the world proceeds this? Like because we're we're, you
know, we we're such a situation like all the dudes in the
region. So curated from the from the left, the people that hate us.
Right? So it's really easy to get lost with this feeling of the flight
that we use this, you know, half the world which is within light up against
(41:14):
the wall of this. You know? Like, it's very difficult not to feel that
way. But then there's just have to, like, keep the faith
and to think, okay. Like, what are what are we gonna do to
solve it? Some some people in here, they make different choices. They shut down. Some
people can't give their cell phone to different prices and addictions.
Some people are, you know, taking all of their own thought,
(41:37):
political outcomes. Very difficult. Like, what if the political out
outcome that would happen? You don't lose yourself. You know, there's there's there's
different levels. And being in here, I'd
tell them to just try to continue to talk about that.
And I'm sure that the people that that's recording this in
that that would that's y'all. But, you know, the Birmingham the letter from
(41:59):
Birmingham deal with Martin Luther King wrote would have been nearly as effective as it
has the risk of a debt. Right? So I just look at it and
say, you know, I've got to make something of this. Like, this experience
can't be forgotten. It cannot be forgotten. You know? My
biggest fear is that I'd not be worthy of my suffering. Right? And I don't
even like to call it suffering. What what is it? It's not a trial or
(42:20):
a doubt. We're feeling it now. And every time in my life that I've had
a trial or a challenge and I endure it and I endure it well, then
I come out stronger. And so that's just something to
remember, you know, that that that deal would make us stronger, Kelly Clarkson
says. So Yeah. Yeah. I
mean, I I I appreciate that you say that. It's
(42:41):
it's there isn't really a feeling of grandiosity to
it. It's just a matter of this is this is the way I felt. You
know, it's it's it's all my choices and to try to keep my head
about me and try to remember the in the dark moments like
that. You know? In the frame, I learned a lot. I don't know.
They are available other than tweak. Oh. And so a lot of the world
(43:02):
is going on. People were stuck in here. Right? Like,
the world is a fleet to some of the things that happened inside of the
jail room prison. Well, slowly, we could just stand up and make a difference.
Like, never made long. That's fun. And to just kinda
be clicking on the document even when everyone else who saw it. And
yeah. To ask you, you know, to try to have it. It is a
(43:24):
choice. It's absolutely a choice. Well, I'm so proud of
you. I I'm just getting to know you and your
Lisa. And it makes me feel
better about humanity to know that
you're capable of doing this. It gives me so much strength,
Taylor, that you are fully able
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to cognize what's happening, take responsibility
where you can, and not give up
or become less of a man.
Like, it helps me be become more of a woman and a living
woman and to be that people, not that person.
You are an incredible light for me and I think
(44:09):
for many of our listeners. I honestly, like
I'm honestly just trying to do it for me. I get it. And and
that's what and that's what you gotta do.
Yep. I'm really glad that other people can take take heart from
it and spirit it. Like, it's it's ultimately an act of
self respect. Like, I'm trying to do it for me, and that's one of the
(44:31):
things Nina Marie and I talk about a lot. It's like, it doesn't really matter
if anybody else hears that or gets what message you're you
know? It's like, no. I'm doing it for me. You know what I mean? Like,
I'm doing it because I feel like it's the right thing. It's the same thing
with Marie. Like, we're doing it feel like the right thing. I'm I'm not sure
if we told you about her as well. Did she share share with you
(44:52):
that? No. Not yet. Oh,
so so one of the things in the chat is always something here. We're looking
we're looking at it. Oh my god. You know? I've been Taylor to them for
12 years, and all of a sudden, I'm gone and, you know, Lisa whole school
of kids. And I was like, what what are we gonna do? Like, she she
can't just go get a job making the kind of money I used to make
(45:12):
to support the household. You know? So she's looking at the budget. She's
like, okay. What do I like time? Well, one of our kids' swimming swimming
lessons is gonna be for something. Do we cut football for my
oldest daughter? Can we talk basketball for my son? Like, you know, we need to
do extra things in the budget. And it's like, you can't cut the
points. That's their life right now. And not like that, but with me gone, you
(45:34):
know, we want these coaches in my son's lives. You know, we want
my daughter to hear her. Let's do the music stuff that she loves the
phone. We're like, that's probably you know, 1 in 31 that the girls would
have ever been incarcerated. It looks really incredible. 1 out of
28 children has an incarcerated parent. Wow.
Huge number. We have the largest population in the world, both
(45:57):
for capita and by volume. Wow. A a lot of
time that led to a fact that at least one out of every child in
a classroom statistically have a parent in prison.
Right? So that means that child is likely set back financially, is
unable to participate in action or etcetera, etcetera. And so
Marie started a nonprofit. We want to be the change you wanna see in the
(46:20):
world. So she started a nonprofit to help
facilitate after school athletics, swim teams,
football camp, guitar, Seattle, and to have a car
created banner. So, you know, we took something that was that was
put upon us, and we said, look. If we want this
change, then we have to be the change. And so, you know, Marie,
(46:42):
you can talk about maybe after we hang up, how you incorporated it. You're
finally off the off the ground and kinda get going and just started to get
funded for it. But this is the kind of choices you have to make.
You can't just take your suffering and say, well, it's me. You have to look
at it and go, okay. Well, what what can I do to alleviate not only
my suffering, but then someone else will have the thought and Taylor that? How do
I build the bridge? Right? If if you've gotta come across the
(47:07):
the where you have to build it for yourself. Although, you might be the
first one to walk across it. You know what I mean? And
well, that is that's not to do. It's like, whenever you're encountered with a
trial, not only do you have a personal choice, but your personal choice cannot pass
it. And, you know, I I just think
I've talked about many times many times, but I've laid awake at night thinking, you
(47:29):
know, it's so funny that this is happening to us, that I'm
thinking about all these life teacher kids that will be benefited by having the
coach or, you know, having a to get the the ability to do
athletics or things like that. That that might have been wrong, but,
you know, due to their parents incarceration. And, you know, we
don't want the children to be guilty of their parents since. And, you
(47:51):
know, what's the big deal if we talk to other inmates when they're here? Yeah.
I know. Almost everyone in here has lost their home. They've lost their
cars. A lot of these guys have lost their families altogether, their
childhood and left them. You know? They're we've been and, family needed
from their children. Why is that? Because they couldn't often support the things that they
used to do. They could no longer offer it. But, like, they should have not
(48:11):
looked in the directions. Well, if you could come in and say, hey. How about,
you know, we help your child maintain that one extent you're made. How about
we help these different situations? Because alleviating that burden. Right? A
lot of these as I've mentioned, the other guys care, they're like, man, you know,
where have you been? And it's like, well, we're just getting started. Hopefully, we can
give up a call. But, you know, again, choices. Right?
(48:34):
You've always got a choice how you react to the font and you get the
perfect cast. Beautiful. That's amazing,
Marie. I can't believe with all you're doing, holding down the fort,
taking the 5 kids, you got the Peasants Perspective going.
You're doing these podcasts, and now you got this new
golly. Are you sleeping? It's barely, actually.
(48:58):
I get, like, 4 hours at night.
Really incredible one. You both. Wanna give me
strength to kinda hang on to hang on to my diplomatic in
here. I think it's it's it's a beautiful system that you have,
and this is what marriage is all about. You help each
other. And, you know, when one's down, the other one pulls forward.
(49:21):
And it's a system that feeds each other. The
infinity. Right? Yeah. It's beautiful. So, you know, when I think about
when I think about that phrase, the only the only there's only
one thing I dread, not to be worthy of my suffering. Right? I think about
this experience. I'm like, when this is all over, it might be the greatest blessing
we ever experienced. You know? Whereas I know talking to other people, and they
(49:43):
cooked the day they went to January 6th. They cooked the day that these things
happened. I think Well, I don't know. I mean, I do wish that I had
spent 30 feet back from where I will. You know? I mean, if I
could go back in time, I would definitely not want to, you know, put myself
in a situation to be here. Mhmm. But at the same time, I'm like,
you know, god's will. I guess I guess it's about it. I
(50:05):
mean, I I know in my heart I didn't do anything. I didn't cause injury
or harm. I didn't touch any cock. Whatever. You know? I didn't do any of
that even though I've been connected to a fault with the destruction of
congress. Okay. You know what I mean? At some point, I'm just like, I accept
all of that without arguing any of it because what's the point?
Right? But, well, there is a point to explain to you guys, but, you
(50:26):
know, the idea of what, hey. You know, this is this is what it is.
So how do we move forward for care? How do we settle on both matters?
How do we, you know, try to take whatever is up to us
in life and make it a better day? The example of running out of
gas that I used earlier, you know, you run out of gas. You're like, okay.
I gotta keep my head about me. I gotta move forward, so maybe I start
(50:47):
walking to the next gas station. You hitchhike. Next thing you know, you're in the
car with someone and you're sharing a a special experience or you're, you
know, alleviating some suffering that they might be going through. Or who knows? Maybe they're
having a bad day that, like, randomly pick up, need to hitchhike out of gas
because you chose not to get gas. But you she's a captain, and
you end up making a lifelong friend from someone who was having a bad
(51:09):
day because you ran out and you ran out of gas, but they picked you
up and you would have never been that person that you don't run out of
gas. So instead of being bitter and angry, you you
attracted a friend. Right? That that's what happened to make affirmative
choices to be happy. Things start to work out. All of a sudden, you're like,
oh, that's that bad thing that happened to me, running out of gas, ended up
(51:29):
being one of the best days of my life. You know, or it could have
been the worst day of your life if you just walk around with a brain
cloud over here. You know, that's that that you choose. If you choose
happiness, it'll work out. I love it. I'm gonna
choose happiness. I love it. Thank you for this. It's been
incredible and inspirational. Alright. Thank you, guys.
Love you, honey. Marie loves you, honey.
(51:53):
I love you, honey. Alright. Be well, sweetheart. We'll talk to you soon.
Dang. So you're barely sleeping, this new endeavor. Tell us more.
I'm looking at the site. Is it on the site yet? So it's
actually leftbehindandwithout.org. So if you
go to that Okay. Left It's
a different f site. Leftbehind
(52:16):
andwithout. Dotorg. Mhmm.
Oh, do you this woman is unreal, everybody.
Like, seriously, how much are you
getting done a day? I mean, look at
what sweet Marie is doing. There she is. Look
at that. It's and I have a friend that's helping me, and
(52:39):
she's awesome. So I'm super grateful. We wake up in the morning and start about
6:30, and we have a meeting in Marie morning. So
Oh, left behind and without. Inmate family resources,
you can improve the lives of children of an incarcerated
parent. Donate now. Better a child's life. Help
give access to sports music camps and more. This
(53:02):
is amazing. A little about us
section, the vision we heard, the story, incarceration
of parents affects kids. Wow.
Now you can subscribe. Look at you go. I mean, it was
even 2 months ago. You're like, how do you do a website? How
about jingle? There are you know, it's always good to
(53:24):
learn new things. You are on
fire, and it's beautiful. It's pretty fun.
I I like I said, I do have a friend that's helping me, and we
have a board now. We applied for 501c3,
so we are moving along. So, yes, if
you have if you know of an organization that wants to support us or if
(53:45):
you know of an individual that wants to donate, we are super grateful
for anything. Well done,
Marie. That is amazing. Oh my goodness.
You are a whirlwind and such a
You're crazy. A little crazy in a little good way.
No. I love you. Alright. So is that a wrap?
(54:08):
Do you want That is a wrap. Yeah. That was great. She's happiness. Mom
said. Absolutely. We're gonna listen to mama Taylor.
That's right. That's right. Alright, sweetheart. We'll come again
next week, and thank you. Much love. Yeah. Thank you
so much, Lisa. Bye bye. Thank you so much
for tuning in to this episode. If our podcast resonates with
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