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podcast. I'm one of your hosts Steven and
I'm joined by my friends and Co host Tom and William.
We are back with another episodewith Skeleton Crew coming up on
the way. We thought what a better time?
What is it better time? I don't know whatever that
expression. Is yeah, you're close enough.
Let's look back on five years ofStar Wars on Disney Plus, which

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both feels both somehow too short and too long for
everything that's happened. But yeah, I guess we'll talk.
About it, it's it's hard to I can't believe it's been five
years of Disney Plus and and Star Wars because it it launched
November 12th, 2019. So we are, as we're recording
this two days away. We're going to we're going to
release this episode on November12th, But as we're recording,

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we're just two days away from the five year anniversary of
Disney Plus, which is it's kind of hard to believe it's we're
going to go through we're going to break down the last five
years. It's been quite a lot that's
been released. We're going to talk about some
of our favorite moments, favorite shows, all that good
stuff. We're going to dive into it all
first, though. Speaking of upcoming shows, did

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you guys see the trailer for Skeleton Crew?
I'm I am so looking forward to that show.
I'm. I'm hopeful.
Yes, it. It really I agree.
No, I'm curious. To get your thoughts on it
because this is the first we've seen like screenshots here or
there, whatever. This is the first big trailer,
you know, like images from the show.

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This is the first big trailer. It's it kind of reminds me like,
you know, they've talked about in the past rights inspired by
the Goonies or or, you know, stranger more like a stranger
things type of show, right? Bunch of kids going on an
adventure. Classic 80s a movie.
It looks really fun. Yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm excited for

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it. And we're like just.
Around the corner, which seems crazy.
Yeah, I, I'll tell you, I, I agree.
Yeah, I know it's very close. I agree.
I'm really excited for it. But I'm going to be honest, I
like so far the feel of the showbecause it's still Star Wars,
but it's different, so. Go ahead.

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What are the some of the biggestdifferences that jumped out at
at you? There was.
There was one in particular I noticed.
I think for me, I think for me, it's basically the the urban
aspect of Star Wars, something that you don't see because we've
always seen it as being a very yes, we've seen Choruson, but
we've always seen the underside belly, the underbelly of, you

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know, the dark dank, you know, pirate infested type thing.
You've never really seen what real life day-to-day Star Wars.
Yes, we've seen it in Andor. We saw that aspect of it, but
not so much this aspect or let'ssay a middle class Star Wars
family, put it that way. OK, we've seen the upper class,

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which is Andor. We've seen the lower caste class
basically, which is Andor as well.
But this one sets up like right in the middle.
Right. And we've seen families torn
apart like in Rebels, right? It's a, that's a more value.
That's, that's not your traditional family in a, in a,
in a, in the suburbs, right? That's, we didn't really get to
see that part of Ezra's life, for example.
So yeah, it's it's so different.But the one thing about Rebels

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we did get to see as a family dynamic in that, but it was a
family dynamic basically out of need and necessity in which the
crew basically grew together with family.
When you're looking at this aspect of the show, you are
looking at basically let's quoteUN quote say a broken family and
they're trying to put themselvesback together again.
We don't know the full story. It looks like from this that
there is a kid who gets in trouble that ends up going

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somewhere on an adventure and the parents are trying to find
him. OK, but that's something within
Star Wars we really have not seen, which should be
interesting and fascinating how they pull it off.
Yeah, no, I am very much lookingforward to this.
The other interesting thing thatstruck stuck out to me was did
you guys notice the music? It was a a modern song.

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Major Tom, right, is a real world song, but sung in Hatis,
which is, I don't think we've ever seen that before in Star
Wars. But I, I, I think I like it.
It's kind of cool. Yeah, I think it fits well for a
show with this kind of tone to it, if you will.
Yeah, it's an. Interesting exploration.

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I wonder if it'll be in the actual show itself or just.
Right. Although why would they?
Oh, but like, why would you go to all the work to sing a song
in Hatiz? I could do a cover of a song in
Hatiz that you're not going to use in the show.
But I agree with you, Steven. I, I, I'm very curious.
I don't know. I Disney, I believe, has done
stuff like that before in which they would put a song in a
trailer but not in the actual movie.

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That's true. So I, I will and, and to be
honest, a guy who kind of like the original version, I have no
problem with this at all becauseit did take me that second to
realize what the song was. But it fit for what they're
going for and that's why it didn't bother me.
Yeah, I agree. We did get one other very

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exciting announcements, William.What, what, what is it, Steven?
I I'm there's nothing big happening in April, right?
Oh, I'll say it if you guys don't want to.
It seems like you're bouncing back and forth on it.
But Steven, go ahead. No, so I mean, we're gonna, so
we're about to talk through, youknow, looking back on five years
of Disney Plus, I think we're all gonna say the same thing,
which is, I mean, we'll talk about highlights and low lights.

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One of those highlights is goingto be Andor and I, I was not
expecting this, but Andor season2 coming on April 22nd.
I am beyond excited for this. Yes, I can't wait.
Which we? Yeah.
And then again, looking back, you know, five years, if you

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told me five years ago there's going to be an Andor shot, which
I think it might have been one of the initial announcements,
but I think it was the lowest onmy list.
And and that's the highest. Yeah, Yep.
I, I, I cannot wait. This is going to be, it's going
to be so good. I Andor is such a phenomenal

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show. We'll talk more about Andor, but
they did announce this at D 23 Brazil.
It's interesting. They didn't the the news.
Actually, they leaked it on Disney plus first.
If you open up the Disney plus app, it would it showed the a
big, you know, banner with the and or release date, probably
good hours to maybe even 2 before they announced it

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publicly. Oopsie, oops.
But yeah, April 22nd it is. We haven't always gotten exact
dates and I usually get like a arough a rough day, but never
exactly the date this far out. So that's kind of nice to have
something to look forward to. Also did you guys notice that it

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the the the branding underneath the logo?
I did not, but I expected. No, I did not.
Yes, please. So it says Andor A Star Wars
Story which I believe is the first.
I'm 99% sure it's the first StarWars series to get the A Star

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Wars Story branding. That was only for Rogue One and
Solo previously. Yeah, that is, you're right.
Now that I think about it, I think you're right.
So I wonder if they're moving all the series to be a Star Wars
story now or I I know it's curious.
Before it was just Andor it would be Star Wars the top and

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then say Andor for season 1. Now it's and or a Star Wars
story. Well, maybe they did it for the
second season because they wanted to hook up easier to
Rogue One, which could be leading.
Yeah, it it could also be a reflection and maybe we'll talk
about this, but like if we're going to have different levels,
if you will, of Star Wars on Disney Plus, you know, mainline,

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I'm going to say important stories, maybe like Andor
versus, you know, less lesser fair isn't to say that it's not
good, but like, you know, less Canon critical, shall we say,
maybe like skeleton crew. Interesting.
Yeah, 'cause I don't. Or to my knowledge, I.
Don't think and we're leading into it.
Has it now that I we. I guess we'll find out when it

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gets closer to release. Yeah.
Yeah, 'cause I think, yeah, skeleton crew just says Star
Wars. I'm just double checking to make
sure I'm not going crazy. I mean, you are, but that's a
different. Issue.
It's a whole different other story.
Well, I thought that was me. You.
Are crazy, William? I know.
OK, Steven, I don't exist. And for some reason, yeah.

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But Steven, you're our last hope.
We can't have you go this nuts. Crazy.
No, Tom, I'm I don't actually exist.
I'm a figment of both of your imagination.
OK? Everyone who's listening to this
podcast is really confused rightnow.
Well, there is. There's another project that may
or may not get the A Star Wars Story branding and that's a new

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trilogy of films. I think, or a deadline I believe
reported on this that Simon Kinberg, who of course worked on
Rebels, one of the Co creators of Rebels, will write and
produce a new Star Wars trilogy.It's unclear whether it'll be a
continuation of the sequel trilogy or not.
Some insiders are claiming it's going to be a separate trilogy
so could be set anywhere in the Star Wars timeline.

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But very interesting, right? Can I?
Sorry, I'll be the one to go ahead.
Go ahead. Like sure, talk to me when we're
actually close to like. Yeah, Yep, totally agree.
I mean, we, we were promised Rogue One.
I'm sorry, we were, we were promised not Rogue One.

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We got pro. Squadron, yeah.
I mean, Simon Kinnock is obviously like he was involved
in Rebels. He's done great stuff.
I would, you know, love to have more Star Wars movies.
Talk to me when we get closer. But I, I can, I, can I jump on
that. I agree with Steven.
I want most Star Wars movies, but I wanted to where there's a

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consistent through line from thefirst episode to the last
episode, not just three movies back-to-back that seemed like
they were completely thrown together and somehow at the end
it's all wrapped up. I want a complete through line
this time. Yeah.
So I, I, I'm actually curious because I like you guys.
As excited is, is interesting asthese types of things are, at

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this rate, it's been, there's been enough turmoil on the film
side of things within Star Wars that I just, I, it's hard to get
excited until they're actually shooting the, the movie.
Once they start shooting the movie, then I'm like, OK, I'm
excited. And once we have an official
trailer, I'm like, OK, it's real.
Just for fun, because I actuallywas talking with a couple
friends this week and what we were wondering the same thing

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like Aaron chat with Aaron, goodfriend of the show and he he
posed the interesting question. What percentage of Star Wars
announced films have have actually made it to the screen
so far? Do you do you have a guess,
Steven? I'm gonna say 2.
Are we specifically films or films and TV?
Only the films. Only of the films that they've
announced, what percentage have been released?

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I want to say like 30%, maybe 35is my guess.
OK, it's Tom. What's your What's your guess?
I, I, I'm going to say lower than that, I'm going to say
about 25. OK, I, yeah, I, I probably when
I was starting I was like, oh, it's got to be like 20%, right?
The answer you both actually right around it. 27.8% of the

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films. It's even lower than I thought
though. Like I thought I was going low,
William, and it's even lower, yeah.
So, well, and, and to be fair, that's released right there.
There are many films in the pipeline.
Some have been announced more recently.
Some were announced a long time ago.
Obviously we all know the the five films that have been
released, but they have announced 18 or announced or

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rumoured technically, you know, they didn't announce, yeah.
Putting like the Boba Fett moviein that I.
Am Yep 'cause I think it's only fair, right?
I think it's. Only fair they they did so
here's what it includes right. We've got obviously the movies
that were released Force Awakens, rogue one, last Jedi,
Solo, Rise of Skywalker, obviously, and then there's the

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movies that are actively in production.
These are the ones I think are have the highest likelihood to
hit the screen. Obviously the Mandalorian Grogu
that's coming May 22nd, 26 Dave Filoni's New Republic movie may
not be actually in production yet, but I have high, I have
faith that if it has Dave Filoni's name on it, it's going
to, it's going to come out. I, I, I would be shocked if Dave

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if the New Republic movie didn't, didn't make it to the
screen. There are.
So that's two more that's up to seven.
There's three more movies that have been announced and have
been talked about recently. The the dawn of the Jedi movie
from James Mangold, the Ray movie from Charmaine obeyed
Chinoy, although they're both been through sounds like a
little bit of turmoil here and there.
And then of course the just reported on Simon Kidberg

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trilogy. I'm also not counting that the
trilogy is like 3 films. I'm just counting that as one.
I don't think it's fair to counttrilogies if you know, even the
first one hasn't come out. If we count trilogies, it's
actually far, far more. And then we get into the more
uncertain territory, right. This is like Taika Waititi's
movie, the Lando movie, which was originally a show, the Shawn

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Shawn Levy's movie, the Rogue squadron movie from Patty
Jenkins. These were all all four of these
are they were talked about, but there hasn't been an update in a
very, very long time. And I'm I'm skeptical.
And then in the cancelled bucket.
Oh, sorry, Steven, do you have something to say?
No, I was, I was agreeing I would.
I'm skeptical as well, yeah. Technically one of the movies in

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the cancel bucket is on the edge, but we know the Bob Boba
Fett movie was cancelled. Kind of saw a light as the book
of Boba Fett, but also very different.
There's Ryan Johnson's trilogy, which theoretically possibly
maybe might be still on the table, but I'm very, very, very
skeptical. There's the duology or trilogy.
They never really announced how many films I think they're going

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to do from the Game of Thrones guys, David Benioff and DV Weiss
and then Kevin Figs movie. So all told, 18 films, 27.8%
have been released, 38.9% are released, are in production.
So you know, high certainty of release.
So that's about 40 percent, 55 or 57 if you round up 5550,

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sorry, 56 percent, 55.6. So 56% have been released, are
in production or are likely to release and 44.4% are uncertain
or cancelled and just 22% are straight up cancelled.
Wow. So.
I I've got to ask this question.That's why I don't get excited.

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Yeah, but. But I also have to ask this
question, with that kind of track record, don't you think
somebody's going to look at the,I would say, executive structure
and say, don't you think it's a change that we've got all these
promises and all this content that never made it even past a
certain stage and this is what we've got, I mean.

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Yeah, it's. Say it you're you're promising,
you're promising more than you're delivering.
And that's that to me is not good.
Yeah. There's we'll get into this and
maybe this is our our Segway into the Disney Plus World.
Of Star Wars specifically, but that is a great Segway.
There is a very clear issue, or what do you call it, a self

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fulfilling prophecy where they're, they're trying to
create interest in the Star Warsuniverse and properties.
And they feel in order to do that they need to announce
projects because fans want to have stuff to look forward to.
But that's driving them to announce stuff early, which then
naturally falls through because,I mean, the TV and movie

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industry is not known for like, Oh yeah, every single idea that
gets pitched in, you know, greenlit is clearly going to
come out like that. Just not how the industry works.
Yep. Right.
So stuff naturally gets cancelled.
Like, I, I would imagine the numbers you just walked through,
William, are probably not abnormal for.
That's true. It's probably not television.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they don't often announce.
When they all get cancelled, youthen feedback to the beginning

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of like, oh, no one is excited because all the projects get
cancelled and we loop and loop and around and around we go.
Yeah. And and you're going to end up
basically almost alienating yourfan base because you're
promising all this content, but you're not delivering it.
And you keep teasing us and you keep backing it off for
cancelling. And here's another tease.

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And then all of a sudden you never hear anything about it
again. Right.
Yeah, I mean, I get. So there's I think a difference
between formally announced versus rumoured, right.
I think most of the films on that list were formally
announced in of in some degree. Few have not been.
And the rumors you're going to always going to get and things
will be cancelled or things willchange.

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Makes totally makes sense. I feel like if you're going to
announce something, you better be darn sure it's going to, it's
going to hit the screen to get, you know, people excited.
If, if they never announced unless they were certain it was
going to release, that's one thing.
And, and wait, wait a little bitlonger if you have to, right,
Until you have a good script andyou start the casting process.
And that's what I mean, George Lucas, right?

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It was a little different 'causehe was self funding and self
writing and everything else. But when he said it was a Star
Wars movie coming, it came, yeah, always like clockwork.
And you know, for Disney said they wanted to do this is a
reflection on the Disney ownership is really supposed to
be about Disney Plus. But it's a it's an interesting
topic to go into since they justthis this, this news just came

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up. You know, if if you're going to
put something out there. Yeah, they want to generate
excitement and, and I'm sure they want to make the
shareholders happy to like, oh, there's more Star Wars content
on the horizon, but just say you're working on something and
don't announce it until it it happens.
That's I think and I think. The lesson?
Yeah. And I think I think a great

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example of a lesson that they should have not done was do the
whole promotion of Patty Jenkinson roller skates talking about
her father used to be a fighter pilot and blah, blah, blah and
yakety schmack. And she ends up saying, you
know, coming soon or whatever, here's going to be Rogue
Squadron. And she's walking into an X wing
that is putting expectations in front of people saying, Oh my

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God, you've gone this far to promote basically a promotional
video for a film that should be going into production because
you've got her right here sayingit's coming.
It's all vaporware. And yeah, and and put it this
way, I think from us growing up,we've seen a lot of vaporware
when it comes to computer programs that are full on
announced that never show up anywhere.

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And that's basically what we gothere with Rogue Squadron.
Yep, Yep. Well, since, you know, since
we're, we're here to talk about five years of Disney Plus, I'll,
I'll kick off the discussion andthen we'll, we'll go into the
Disney Plus piece itself. But I'll kick this off with, if
you had to guess what, the success rate for Disney Plus or,
or let's just, I say Star Wars shows in general under the

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Disney era, cause all but two were under Disney, were under
Disney Plus, Rebels and resistance.
What would you say the success rate is of the, of the Disney
Plus shows? How many were announced versus
came out? I actually guess we're much
better off there because like ofI'm sure you're about to go

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through the numbers, but like the ones that stand out are
things like, you know, Rangers of New Republic and some of the
shows that were announced duringthat.
But even then, like Andor was part of that and and came out I
guess like 7080% somewhere in there.
Yeah, because I, I kind of agreewith Steven because we were, we
were Rangers of the old Rangers of the New Republic was one.
There was supposed to be a Landoseries that was supposed to come
out, which I can't remember if they said it could still be on

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the table, but I would say if it's on the table it's probably
close to the edge of going over,not still on it.
It's not it's the latest rumors.It's a it's a movie now,
potentially, which I don't know if that makes me more or less
confident in. It, I know, but but that's the
thing. It's like you're sitting here
promoting something saying, OK, we're going to do it as you
show. I was like, OK, now we're going

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to do it as a movie. It's like now you're putting it
on the edge of the table where, I hate to say this, you're going
to have a catwalk up and smack it off at any point.
Yeah. Well, you know, Steven, you were
spot on the success rate including the two shows that
were technically non Disney plus, right?
So it kind of bumps the rate up slightly higher, but 81%.
So of they they've announced 15 and sorry, announced 18 and 15

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have made it to the screen. Tom, you called them correctly
Rangers, the New Republic, Landoand any guesses the what the
third one is? Well, put it this way, Stephen
called Rangers, I called Lando. So he basically one for one
there. So you're the one you come up
with the third. One OK, so this was the one this
was a bit obscure. I don't even know if you guys
are I I think most people have probably forgotten about this

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show at this point, but it was announced, I think, right.
I think maybe in the first year,right after Disney plus
launched, they announced remember they announced a whole
bunch of new shows like Lando Rangers, the Republic.
You know, we're going to do bookactually book of what was the
nap. But they they announced a whole
bunch of stuff, and then they slipped in one more a animated
series called A Droid Story. Oh, that does sound vaguely from

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you're right. Exactly, very vaguely.
But yes. I don't remember that.
Yeah, that's the only other show.
So there's been exactly 3 shows that have not made it to the
screen. Rangers for obvious reasons,
Lando because it's been in kind of, I think waiting on actor
availability and maybe a movie now.

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And who knows what's up with theDroid story.
Maybe it'll happen, maybe not, but 81%?
Not bad. Yeah, not bad at all.
So with that, I guess if it if it's a series, I have a lot more
faith that it's coming out. And I think if it's Dave, Dave
Filoni's name is behind it, there's a very good chance it's

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coming out. Whether it's a movie or a show
is kind of my based on his trackrecord, it's probably going to
happen. That checks out.
Yeah, so let's let's take, let'stake a step back all the way to
November 12th, 2019. I don't know if you guys
remember where you were. I, I remember where I was the

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moment Disney Plus came online and The Mandalorian season 1
episode 1 dropped and it was ourfirst time seeing Star Wars live
action without having to go to the theater.
You can just stream it to your, to your, your TV or your

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computer. And that was, that was the
beginning of, of Disney Plus in I'll just do go through a quick
rundown of the years, what we got and then what we'll, we'll
dive into the content a little bit more.
So 2019 we just had the Mandalorian season 1 and
remember it took the world by storm, right?
That that show was just everyonewas talking about it.

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It was the biggest thing on Disney plus, the the hottest
show and it was so good. I I, I don't know if I like, I
don't know about you guys, but this was it was a truly special
first season. I'm.
Trying to remember what I think,'cause when did Disney Plus

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launched with The Mandalorian? That's what you're saying,
right? Yeah, yeah, I'm trying.
To remember what all came out when it first started.
So it there wasn't, I think The Mandalorian was one of the there
was a bunch of a small original shows.
It was yeah, I don't there was no Marvel shows yet.
It was the only, I mean, I thinkthey had the Star Wars movies on

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there too and all that. And these were also the updated
special editions too, I think, before you could even buy them.
I think I think it was just the The Mandalorian.
I'm looking through the list, there is.
Well, no, it's only mean I there.
I think there might have been a couple other smaller shows that
Disney. Put out, yeah, there's stuff

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like there was some High School Musical type stuff, but that,
yeah, that was the temple, was The Mandalorian, which is kind
of crazy, yeah. Yeah, like, I think without The
Mandalorian, Disney Plus probably would have failed, but
The Mandalorian was wildly successful.
You know, we got Grogu. We got this is the way, right?
We got I've spoken. We got mythosaurs.

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Yep, I think I, I single handedly credit it with, you
know, making my now wife, you know, a Star Wars fan thanks to
baby Yoda or she was enjoying wewere working our ways to the
Star Wars films. She was really enjoying them,
but baby Yoda was what flipped it over the edge and she was
like, Oh, I, I love this. There were baby Yoda memes
everywhere. It was.

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Merchandising. Exactly.
It was a it was a special time. And then 2020 hit and that's
when we got the final set. Season 7 of The Clone Wars was
in. In 2020 we got The Mandalorian.
Season 2 we got the. Do you guys remember when they

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turned around seasons of shows within a year?
It was. That was the time back.
In the those were back in the old days.
Yep, And remember how remember how exciting Clone Wars season 7
was like the finally see the Sisia Mandalore sis?
Emmanuel. Oh God.
That was so good. It was so good.
We finally got the those episodes finished.

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That also kicked off the Bad batch, right, because we had
the, the four episodes based on the bad Batch that were finished
and that of course, you know, wedid get a Lego Star Wars holiday
special that that fall as well, But that led into 20/21 with the
Bad Batch season 1, the end of the Mandalorian season 2.

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By the way, I should note that was when Luke appeared and that
was when they tease the book of Boba Fett at the end.
And we were all like, whoa, what, what, what was this?
We had no idea that was coming. We also, let's see 2021 and we
also got Star Wars Visions volume one.
We got the documentary under thehelmet, the legacy of Boba Fett,

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another Lego Star Wars, terrifying Tales, and of course,
the book of Boba Fett and the Disney gallery documentaries for
Mandalorian and book of Boba Fett came alongside every, every
season there as well. We'll talk more about the shows
in, in detail, I'm I'm sure, butthe Book of Boba Fett was kind

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of like Mandalorian season 2.5. We'll we'll we'll go more into
that. Let's see 2022 gave us tales of
the Jedi. That was a remember how great
that that series was and you know some Star Wars Star Wars
animation they on this was on May the fourth.

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They dropped a few shorts like Galaxy of Sounds, vehicle fly
through his biomes, Zen and Grogu and the Dust bunnies.
We got Obi Wan Kenobi, the the series, the limited series and
the documentary. Jedi's return that summer week
and we'll talk more about Obi and Kenobi as well.
We got Light and Magic, the documentary about ILM, Lego Star

(28:15):
Wars summer vacation, and of course and or season 1.
I think it's safe to say 2022 was one of the biggest, probably
one of the biggest seasons. It's interesting looking at this
and you can tell how they were ramping up basically to get more
and more out there each, each gothrough.
Yeah. Yeah, 2023 gave us Bad Batch

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Season 2, Mandalorian Season 3 where we got the, you know, more
Mandalore, Tales of the Empire, Star Wars Visions Volume 2 with
Young Jedi Adventures Season 1 and Ahsoka.
That was another big year. And then 2024.
This year we got The Bad Batch season 3, which wrapped up that
series, the Acolyte season. Well, just the Acolyte season 1

(29:01):
because. They're not going into.
The season young Jedi adventure season 2 Lego Star Wars rebuild
the Galaxy. The new The documentary music by
John Williams. Technically not Star Wars, but I
and I figure it's a Lucasfilm related documentary also that
just came out in the last 10 days.
Absolutely phenomenal documentary.
If you love Star Wars music or music of any sort, John Williams

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is the best. Highly recommend it.
And of course, wrapping, you know, closing out 2024 with
skeleton crew season 1. Actually, we don't really know
if it's a if there's going to bemore multiple seasons or not,
but you know, skeleton crew. So that's that's a lot.

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That's a lot. Yeah, I think Steven, to your
point, right, it really shows how they wrapped ramped up the
the content over the years. Yeah, it's nice that we really
did have like, I mean, it started with what, like one
really major 10 pole show every year and then very rapidly grew
like 2 and then three, which is kind of crazy.

(30:07):
Yeah. Also great.
I mean, we're slightly biased, but just the fact that Star Wars
animation continue to go strong throughout all this is also
really heartening to see. Like it, it's felt a little bit
stop and start, but really, likebetween, you know, season 7 of
Clone Wars and then almost straight into Bad Batch every
year. Very, very nice.
Yeah. If you look at it, we've had,
we've had an animated Star Wars show every year.

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We've had one to two to three, Iguess one to three major
animated series, live action series every year.
And we've had Lego Star Wars every year and plus a couple
documentaries every year. So they're, they're, they've
been churning out quite a bit ofcontent.
But the nice thing about it, it's a variety.
It's not the same thing over andover again.

(30:49):
I like the documentaries when itcame to The Mandalorian with the
Disney galleries. But the thing that was
frustrating about it is I loved the first Disney Gallery when
they had all the directors from The Mandalorian sitting around
the table talking about the episodes.
And then they go into more of like, you know, a documentary
style for the other two. And you're like, it was so much
better to get into the director's heads when they were

(31:12):
talking about the show and why they made the this decision and
how this happened and how they're able to.
I mean, that was more enjoyable.Yes, the other ones were great.
They had their point. But if you're a if you're a
budding filmmaker, which that's passed me in so many years ago,
but for anybody that wants to come up and see directors that

(31:33):
are at the top of their game, those were the best ones to
watch. Yeah, yeah, I, I, yeah, I, I'm
with you. I love the good.
I just love a good documentary. And, you know, it's, those were
great. I I I've really enjoyed yeah,
even though even the shorts havebeen have been fun at times.

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But you're right, we've gotten significant, you know, pretty
good animation as well. Really good animation at A at a
good clip. We don't know what's coming next
yet. I think that's the big open
question. What's the next Star War
animated show? Nothing like that has been
announced at all, you would think.
I mean, we got. Probably got something next
year, right? Based on this track record,
we'll probably continue to get something.

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Yeah, but some kind of announcements got to happen at
some point, yeah. Maybe that's a celebration
thing. They'll save it for celebration,
and who who knows? Celebration is won this year by
next year. April, I think April.
Yeah, I think could probably do an announcement then
potentially, yeah. Yeah.

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What do you guys think of the velocity?
We talked about how they've ramped it up a lot, but what do
you guys think of the, the amount of content?
Do you think it's, is it, is it the right amount?
Too, too much, not enough on theon the Disney Plus side.
I mean, on the the film side, it's been a kind of a wasteland
for a while, but thoughts on theDisney Plus side of things?
I'll say it's a little bit tricky to say 'cause it, it's

(32:58):
all dependent on their ability to deliver, you know, quality
entertainment. So if you, is it a manpower
issue, is it money issue? Is it a velocity issue?
There is very clearly a lot herethat they've announced and done
and we'd like and we'll talk about it.
Like there have been some shows that have been, yeah, maybe a

(33:19):
little disappointing, shall we say.
But I, I struggle to like, is that a velocity issue or is that
a, you know, concepting and production issue?
I don't know. I'll say like 2022 in particular
feels like it was there was a lot tales of the Jedi Kenobi

(33:40):
and, or plus, you know, a bunch of the side stuff that is a lot
of stuff going on in a single year, which I don't know.
I, I can see you know, of, of the two, some of the best and
some of the worst, I think of what we've gotten so far.
What's interesting, I'm looking at that calendar, and if you
look at it, you can break it down to where it's almost as if

(34:00):
they're hitting a different age group because you have your
animation there, OK? You have your one basic adult
show, like Mandalorian was there, and then you've got
Ahsoka was there, and you've gotKenobi was there.
And then you've got your, you know, when they brought in the
young Jedi adventurers, then that hit that age group.
So it's almost like they're hitting the age groups with each

(34:22):
of these. And it took them a bit to ramp
up to that because, you know, yeah.
You had the Lego special in 22, yet another one in 21.
I mean, 20, sorry, the first Lego special was in 20, then 21
had one. But and then you got your
documentary. So it's almost like, yes,
they're giving a lot of content,but it's content for the
different, the, the, the different generations to enjoy.

(34:45):
You don't have to watch all of it because it is a little bit
too much. I, I've never watched the light
magic. I never watched the vehicle fly
throughs or the biomes, you know, or the the the Grogu dust
bunnies. But you know, I picked and
choose and I was able to get my Star Wars fill out of it.
But some other people would get the other Star Wars fill.
So they really looking at this, thought about that when they

(35:07):
were putting all the content on Disney Plus.
No, it's a great point 'cause I think when you look at it like,
you know, like at this list, definitely you, you can see
those, those trends starting to,starting to appear.
And it really hit in 22. Yeah, yeah, I know exactly.
I think they've done a pretty good especially I think 2222 is
really when they had, you know, ramped up that, that that

(35:29):
pipeline quite a bit more. Yeah, I, I, yeah, it's very
interesting. I think, you know, when Disney
Plus launched, The Mandalorian Season 1 was a, a cultural
phenomenon. It really was.
Everyone was talking about it, everyone was watching it.
Even people I know who are not Star Wars fans were talking to
me about The Mandalorian, how how amazing it was.

(35:52):
I do get the sense that while we've had a lot of phenomenal
content in recent years, viewership seems to have
declined a little bit, or at least there's less talking
about. And I think this it may be a an
issue in with the television landscape more broadly, where
there's just so much content that you just can't keep up with
everything. And so it's hard to say whether

(36:14):
it's a it's an issue with Star Wars and Disney Plus or whether
it's an issue just with the television landscape has changed
over the over these five years. But it seems like a lot of
people I talked to have been like, oh, yeah, no, I just
never, I never finished. I never, I never got a chance to
watch Andor or, and I'm like, well, how do you even watch

(36:34):
Andor or, you know, Star Wars fans or, Oh yeah, just, you
know, I haven't watched Ahsoka, right?
And you know, some of that I getpeople may need to be less
interested in animation, for example, or need to pick and
choose. But I don't know, It feels like
it was around the time of end of2021, end of 2021, early 2022

(36:56):
with like Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi where there seemed to be
some exhaustion. And I don't know if that was
because there was a lot of Tatooine happening at the set
that point or does the Book of Boba Fett was maybe one of the
weaker shows? I don't know.
I don't know. But it it definitely seems to be

(37:17):
a trend where we've kind of lostsome, some viewers.
I think there's a combination ofjust like prior 2019, Netflix
was kind of the only game in town for a lot of this, you
know, premier streaming type content.
Like HBO was doing a little bit of it, but HBO has always kind
of been its own vertical to somedegree.

(37:38):
Like if you map against this like Paramount Plus Peacock, I
don't even remember like. All all.
I think they all were around 21,right?
Yeah, 20. 21 Yeah, I so I think that's a big part of it, I do
think. And here I'm gonna make my first
controversial claim. Let's go do it.

(38:01):
I think The Mandalorian was a terrible show to try and
bootstrap a universe off of. Really.
OK, the. Mandalorian is a fantastic show.
I I enjoy it. It is, yeah.
Don't, don't take any of this asdoubt on that.
But if you look out through whatthey were trying to accomplish,

(38:22):
it does feel to me like they really wanted to try and build
this Star Wars television cinematic universe, Mandalorian
and not Andor, excuse me, Ahsoka, Rangers of the New
Republic, even though, you know,it was eventually cancelled,
Like all these types of shows where the goal was like this,

(38:42):
this will be our our thing. And I think the Mandolin was a
terrible show to try and build that universe off of It just I
don't think it's supportive enough of that.
It's not that type of show. Well, I'm gonna take the
argument when it comes to The Mandalorian.
Maybe they saw something to where?
OK for the people who are not total 100% hardcore Star Wars

(39:04):
fans. All right, let's kick off the
universe with Boba Fett, OK? Or let's take this one actual
character within Star Wars and and, and kick it off with that.
You've got so much back story behind that character that
people who are not hardcore fans, if you start building on
that type of universe, they're going to get lost.
Whereas the Mandalorian, OK, youbasically know, you know about

(39:28):
the Mandalorians because of BobaFett.
They're bounty hunters. That's all you need to know.
So let's take this character with basically that simple of a
back story and boot the universefrom there because that way we
can grow the universe with a newstory and bring in elements to
where those who are new can get refreshed on what basically came
from before. I agree except that's not what

(39:51):
they did. Like if the man wanted just
served as a show in that time period.
I mean I'm not agreeing with youbut like I think it would have
worked but starting with season 2.
We moved away from the, you know, story of the week kind of
thing that Mandalorian was. I mean, I'd argue he was still

(40:11):
doing too much of, but that's orthogonal to that.
And they moved instead into the let's bring in the Ahsoka
episode, let's bring in Luke Skywalker.
I mean, Luke's may be an exception, but like, they really
started going deep into let's bring in Thrawn, let's bring in
Bo Catan. Like all these connections to
the rest of the universe, which are I think, fantastic for folks

(40:34):
like us, 'cause yeah, we live for those types of things, but
it's a terrible way to build a universe because most of the
people watching have no idea what any of those things are and
they don't get why it's important.
It's. It's interesting.
Yeah, that's interesting. I I think to me it feels like
they were to some extent surprised by how the popular the

(40:58):
Mandalorian was. And they're like, OK, well, this
is our vehicle. This like we finally have
something super exciting that that's rallying the fan base.
Let's use this as I don't know if they went into it thinking
the Mandalorian would be the launching point.
It just kind of happened. And and then they're, you know,
Dave flying did this in rebels too, right?
He started to start with small and then started bringing in

(41:19):
other parts of the Star Wars saga into like Rebels or Clone
Wars or or whatever. Clone Wars was more suited to
that just because it's a more ofan anthology show anyway.
But Rebels, it worked quite well.
I think for the bad for the Mandalorian, it it, it works
right 'cause he can have encounters with these other
characters. So I think it works, does work

(41:42):
to a degree personally, but I think it was more just due to
the success of the Mandalorian. Like, OK, everything's going to
be in the Mandalorian universe. And I, I do, I, I don't think
we've actually seen them really build up to that, right?
Mandalorian did have the Ahsoka episode that led into the Ahsoka
TV show. That's true.

(42:03):
And of course, there was the Book of Boba Fett hard pivot,
which I think was a a larger issue with, you know, where they
weren't really sure. I'm still not sure they know
what to do with the future of the Mandalorian.
They're like, well, let's just go to Boba Fett and introduce
him. And then they put a lot of the
Mandalorian story in the book ofBoba Fett, which I still think

(42:23):
was an odd choice, a really not great choice.
And it was probably confusing for a lot of a lot of viewers
where I now I have to watch thisshow, but it's a different show.
It's not the one I signed up for.
And it's kind of like the Mandalorian, but not.
And so I think that was maybe the beginnings of some of the

(42:45):
the weird choices. But in other ways, right, like
Andor has nothing to do with Mandalorian.
You know, sure, some of the animated series do because all
the more the Dave Filoni universe.
I think in theory they're going to bring all these shows
together in some way, but I I have no idea what that'll look
like. Yeah, and I, I don't want to be

(43:07):
fair, like I don't think Andor or Kenobi fit into those
buckets. I think those are actually.
Oh man, those are both examples of the second trend I think
throughout this, which is like, how do we mine the, the
community, the fan base, howeveryou want to describe it?

(43:28):
It's very interesting in that like, I, I mean, well, maybe we
should discuss, but like and, orvery clearly a highlight, at
least at least for me, as far asStar Wars content has gone on
Disney Plus, Kenobi might be my,I almost want to say biggest
disappointment. I think it's probably 1 down
from my biggest disappointment. I think I would reserve that for

(43:49):
Book of Boba Fett. Interesting.
I wanted so much more out of Kenobi, and I'd ended up feeling
like one of the biggest misses in terms of opportunity that I
think Disney Plus had. Interesting so I'm I'm going to
go this way and I'm going to think I'm going to say that I

(44:10):
think a good missed opportunity for me is the book of Boba Fett
because they shoehorned in the Mandalorian.
If they didn't do that, they probably would have had, or they
probably could have figured out a way to make more of a story
about the Book of Boba Fett because it just seemed like it
had. It's like we've discussed about

(44:31):
another show that that that was on Disney Plus.
I'm sure we'll get it at some point.
It had the Nuggets in there thatheld your interest.
Could you expand on those a little bit and actually make it
a full story instead of taking that 2.5 off ramp to go into
Mandalorian and then come back? You lost a little bit in there
of some kind of storytelling. It's like, it's almost like,

(44:55):
pardon my French, they had a massive brain fart of how we get
to this part of Book of Boba Fett.
Wait a minute, let's take a detour while we figure out how
we're going to go back to Boba Fett and boom, you're back to
Boba Fett. That's how it felt.
Yeah, I think the biggest myth with Boba Fett in my mind is
think about, if you like, pretend the Book of Boba Fett
doesn't exist for a moment and think back to Boba Fett's

(45:17):
entrance in Mandalorian season 2.
And like that episode where Grogu is, you know, captured by
the Empire effectively and and Boba Fett is on the mountain
defending and doing his thing and he's got the knee rockets
and like literally beating people up with a gaffy stick

(45:38):
like peak Star Wars. And I don't know if it was a
budget thing or what, but Book of Boba Fett was just the the
opposite of that. It felt, it felt like, yeah, it
felt like Boba Fett was old and slow and, and yeah, I think that
was part of it. And I think there was two parts
of it, one both or three probably.
Boba Fett felt old and slow. The the main story was kind of

(46:02):
about how it was. It was about how he survives the
Sarlacc, which is an interestingstory and I'm glad they, you
know, they told it, but I think it was less engaging for a lot
of people. I think it also didn't help that
it was set on Tatooine, I guess.And there was starting starting
to be some Tatooine fatigue withbecause it looked a lot like the
Mandalorian. And the third piece was the fact

(46:25):
that they just kind of shoehorned in the Mandalorian
stories. I I do feel like they kind of
wrote themselves into a corner because if you were going to
imagine what a Boba Fett show would be like, it'd be very
similar to The Mandalorian. And it's a different lead
character. And I felt like they need, they
probably felt like they needed to differentiate themselves
more. And I think in the process, it
just didn't feel like Boba Fett.And so, yeah, I don't know, like

(46:49):
you said, was it a budget thing?Was it a writing thing?
I don't know. But it was a cool idea.
But the the episodes that were basically The Mandalorian were
phenomenal. And everything else was just
kind of mediocre. Yeah.
They're the The rest of the showwas just there.
Yeah, And then Kenobi, I thoughtwas I love Obi Wan Kenobi and I

(47:10):
loved a lot of that show, but itdid feel like it was missing
something. And to this day I can't even
really explain it. I feel like I should be able to
explain it, but it just there's so much I love about it and the
conflicts between Obi Wan and Vader and it's just so good.
And the music is great and but there's just and seeing, you

(47:31):
know, Anakin again and stuff it.But it was just it there was a
few things it missed. Yeah.
I guess the other one more recently would be the Acolyte,
where that was probably their first big that and and or was a
fresh new show. But it was still based on Rogue
One and the course. They hit that one out of the

(47:52):
park. Yeah, we'll come back to Andor,
but Acolyte was probably the first brand new series without
any ties to any previous work, and we talked about that one at
length over the summer. But it just, it felt like they
spent a lot of money on the show, but it just wasn't put to
good use and the some of the plots didn't make sense and the

(48:13):
writing didn't always make sense.
And I think they fixed those things.
It would have been a phenomenal show, but as a result it kind of
ends up more near the bottom forme.
Yeah, I, I, I wholehearted. Yeah, the the Nuggets we've
discussed with it and I'm gonna,I'm gonna end it here.
The Nuggets for a great show, were there.
The execution was completely off.

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Yeah, yeah. And, and that probably doesn't
help some of the, the perception, right 'cause I think
you know, the man, if we're justlook at the, the series, right,
the man. And let's look at just live
action series. The Mandalorian was hype level
11 out of 10. Everyone loved it.
Season 1 was great. Season 2 was really good too.

(48:56):
Book of Boba Fett takes like a, a weird turn, but it's kind of
like the Mandalorian but not. We just talked about some of
the, the, the, the challenges there.
And then we went into Kenobi. We had a really long, how long
the gap we had between Mandalorian season 2 and three,
it was like 2 years because we had the Book of Boba Fett or
maybe 2 1/2. I think we had Obi Wan Kenobi,

(49:18):
which was, again, I love for a lot of reasons, but also
struggled a little bit. So you kind of had two more not
ideals right in in a row after The Mandalorian.
And then we go into Andor and that one, I feel like a lot of
people just didn't pick it up yet, maybe because of the
previous two shows were a littlemore underwhelming.

(49:39):
And then they went back to The Mandalorian season 3.
And as much as I was excited about Mandalore, it just wasn't
it. It felt like it was missing
something. And then of course, we went to
Ahsoka, which was really good and, and and then the acolyte
and then skeleton crew coming upsoon.
But I think that trend kind of made them lose some of the
momentum with Star Wars on on Disney plus or among the more

(50:04):
casual viewers. But for the invested viewers
like us and and even those who are not I I think the the first
big surprising highlight was after the course of the
Mandalorian itself, Andor and it's so good.
Steven, tell us, tell us more about this this.

(50:27):
Wonderful show No go watch it. That's what I that's what I I
will tell you. No, I I think Andor does again
when we're we talked about the announcement.
You know, there's the famous shot now of I think it was
Kathleen Kennedy in front of, you know, the big announcement
board with all the shows that are coming out.
And it honestly, like it bogglesmy mind to like look back at

(50:51):
that. Cause like literally the
untitled Cassie Nandor show sounded like, oh, Rogue One,
like I enjoyed, but it's kind ofa capped story.
Cassian was fine. You know, like none of the
characters of that movie really stood out as like, you know,
mind blowing. This is what I'm here for.

(51:12):
And somehow Cassie Nandor Andor is just the best written, the
best directed, the best acted show of the entire the entire
thing. Like all of Disney Plus and it I
don't understand it. Yeah, no.

(51:33):
It was phenomenal. It's phenomenal.
I think that the the biggest crime is that more people
haven't watched it like. Very true, right?
Because. There's so many people I've
talked to, it's like I just haven't had a chance to watch
it. Like, Oh my gosh, you're busy.
Got on such a good show. It is so, so well done.
The first 3 episodes did take a little bit to to get going.
And that's why I think I'm, I'm very glad they switched from

(51:55):
just a 2 episode premiere to a three episode premiere because
by the third, the first episode was like, OK, yeah, I'm, I'm
interested. It's a little slow.
Second episode, OK, I'm getting more on board.
And by the third episode, I was 100% invested and.
Absolutely. You know, my wife is, is, that's
actually one of the shows she's less interested in.
I think it didn't help that we started watching it super late

(52:17):
at night and she was very tired and, and, and so it was, she was
like falling asleep. And that's not, can't really
fall asleep during that kind of show.
You have to be really paying attention to what's going on,
but I think for most people it'seither you love it or you
haven't seen it yet. One of the two.
Yeah. So good.

(52:38):
I am so excited for the second season.
And the thing that's so depressing about it, you know,
that's all you're going to get. It's only going to be two
seasons because it goes right into Rogue Squad.
Yep, I mean Rogue One. But, but this is one of the
cases in which, and I know I've said it before, I don't want to
know a back story of a character.

(52:59):
I've always said when it came toBoba Fett and those years and
years and years and years ago when he was going to make his
debut on The Clone Wars and I was asked, you want it?
It's like, I don't. I want to keep that a mystery,
OK. This is a different case when it
comes to Andor because just watching that first season
really sucked you in. You want to finish it off to get
it to that point. Especially Skarsgard with that

(53:23):
speech. I still go back sporadically and
watch that just because of the acting, not just because of him,
but also the actor that was inside the elevator shaft.
Yeah, because you could tell just that actors, that actors
questioning everything because of the speech.
Yeah. Just an amazing show.

(53:44):
So yeah, I'm looking forward. Yeah, phenomenal.
Yeah, so good. Yeah.
Is there anything like so that'sobviously the clear number one.
I don't even know what number 2 would be after that.
Like it? It's.
So I guess. It's a whole different ball
game. Well, it's OK.
So how about how about this? Let's pick your top three shows

(54:05):
or, or seasons of a show, right?So you could pick all three.
You could pick three seasons of the same show.
You could pick three different shows.
What are your top three seasons of of all the releases on on
Disney Plus in the last five years?

(54:25):
That's really hard and or first for me.
OK, and or season 1 I should sayfor posterity's sake, right?
Clone Wars season 7 feels like an obvious one to me.
And then I think #3 would probably like Mandalorian season
2. I really enjoyed it's.
A good one. OK, you guys, I'll go next.

(54:50):
Naturally, I think we all agree Andorras are the number one.
I'm gonna have to go with Bad Batch for all three seasons.
I'm gonna go with that one as mynumber two.
Do a. Particular favorite season of
The Bad Batch? I'm gonna go with all three
seasons. I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave it

(55:11):
there. The hardest thing right now is
you're looking at Clone Wars season 7 because of how it
closed out the series and how emotional that it that was.
And then again, you're looking at Mandalorian season 2.
It's it's really it's a toss up between those two because just

(55:32):
the impact of Clone Wars since we've the show started with the
Clone Wars and we've we got to finish the Clone Wars on this
podcast. And it's not just because that,
but that whole season 7 was sucha roller coaster ride all the
way to the end. So and then Mandalorian season
2, what can you say? So, but I'm going to go, I'm

(55:53):
going to go because of it. For me, it's going to be Clone
War season 7. It's going to be my 3.
So William, what about you? I.
Think we're all pretty similar. I yeah, it's, it's, it's tied, I
think between probably between well, I, I guess Andor season 1,
it would be, it would be it The Mandalorian season 1.

(56:16):
Also, I think season 2 had a lotof really good improvement, but
season 1? Was just so good.
Yeah, yeah, it's it's like just the the music and, you know, I
have spoken. This is the way where all these
things like I still miss Queel. He is such a phenomenal
character. I mean, he rest in peace, you

(56:38):
know, the that's that's that first season is phenomenal.
Second season is great too, but particularly the first season
and and then probably Zen Grogu and the dust Bunny.
No, I'm kidding. Clone Wars season 7.
How could you not pick Clone Wars?
And then yeah, I guess special mention for Ahsoka and I I think

(57:02):
Kenobi too. I really like Kenobi, but, you
know, I think Ahsoka and Kenobi were both really great shows.
I had. We're not 100% perfect, but that
I, I, I that I quite enjoyed. And you know, there's too many
other good ones. It's hard to pick right, because
there's bad Batch, there's, there's all sorts of good stuff.

(57:25):
But yeah, it's, yeah, it's hard.It's just so much good, good
stuff. The, the Disney plus also, you
know, like we kind of forget about it now, but they pioneered
Disney plus, pioneered the volume that that made Star Wars.
So like much cheaper to produce and to make.

(57:47):
And there's, there's pros and cons of the volume for sure, but
it really helped bring the cost down.
And they were able to prototype so many things with The
Mandalorian that they've been able to use and really kind of
revolutionized the entire filmmaking industry as a result.
We also saw them switch from a, you know, midnight release

(58:09):
schedule to a 6:00 PM Pacific release schedule, which is very
nice. So you can kind of enjoy it in
the evening all together as opposed to having to remember
those days of getting up at midnight to watch what they
were. Leaving and the secret is just
sleeping and watching it the next day.
But no, no, no. Why?
Wouldn't it in the morning? No, no.
No, that I I did it at work. I would sit there and I'd watch

(58:33):
it at work. I actually William, to be fair,
I did get super annoyed with theshow coming out at midnight and
then having articles with spoilers and headlines the next
day. So yes, that I agree.
I will I will actually give you credit it it.
Yes, you could just sleep, but also, you know, I, I accept.
Yeah, but yeah, no, I think, youknow, they've they definitely

(58:55):
pioneered quite a bit and I'm excited to see where they go
next. Right.
We've we've got Andor season 2. We just talked about Ahsoka
season 2 is going to happen. We don't have a date for that
yet. There's rumors that we're going
to get a Mandalorian season 4 after the Mandalorian Grogu film
or maybe before. It's unclear.

(59:18):
Season 3 kind of theoretically wrapped up the the show, but
they're going to do another movie and I don't we'll see
where they take things next, yeah.
A little skeptical, but. Did you have?
We'll see. And do you guys have theories
for where we might see what we might see for the next animated

(59:40):
show? I mean, I can tell you the dream
that I've had for this entire time, William.
Luke's Jedi Academy. Yeah, I would still kill to see
a Jedi Academy story. I don't know how likely that is,
but. I I know what I'd love to see
and and I know my son Eric wouldagree, but I want to see a true.

(01:00:03):
Old Republic, yeah. I want to see the old Republic
that we got in the video games. All that.
Yeah. I mean, I would.
A couture would be fantastic, yeah.
Any, anything like that. I mean, take, I'm going to say
this. Take the High Republic out of
it. I want the Old Republic.

(01:00:23):
I don't want High Republic. Give me that.
Give me the grit. Give me all the Sith Lords.
Give me all of it. That's what I want.
Yeah, Yeah, I yeah, Fair enough.If I had to pick, probably, I
mean, both sound great. I probably would go toward
Luke's Jedi Academy, but also Kotor would just be phenomenal.

(01:00:44):
Yeah. Those are the those are the two,
I think top eras. We'll see.
I mean, we've we've had Clone Wars, we've had, you know, more
of the Rebellion. We've had resistance, We had,
you know, the early days of the Empire, right?
Like pre, pre rebels with a bad batch.
So I think I mean the the logical era key in within the

(01:01:08):
the main films would be Luke's Jedi Academy but.
Right. Who knows?
What? What would be interesting, I
know we've got Andor, but actually do a series on the
Imperial aspect of the whole thing.
I don't know how you'd pull it off.
Maybe a TIE fighter squadron, maybe, you know, ISB, maybe

(01:01:30):
anything like that. But Imperial aspect from this
point, because we've gotten, we've gotten the the Rebellion
aspect of it, we've got the Republic aspect of it, but delve
a little bit more into, let's say Palpatine really bringing
the Empire together. Yeah, they haven't really done a
like aside from the details series, which both been really

(01:01:52):
great too. I feel like we didn't give
enough time to Tales of the Empire, Tales of the Jedi and
Ahsoka, because they are, they're all so, so good.
And just seeing the all the characters, like our beloved
animated characters on screen inAhsoka was just amazing.
But you're right, you're right, Tommy.
That would be an interesting perspective.

(01:02:14):
Yeah, that would. Be well, I think maybe that
wraps it up for for tonight. Our our look back on five years
of of Disney Plus. There is it's been quite a five
years in in some ways it feels both far longer than five years
and not at all five years. I, I, I am kind of shocked that

(01:02:37):
it's been that long. I think the thing that really
throws me the most is I rememberlike the way you said, between
Mandalorian season 2 and season 3 and it felt so long, but five
years, it does not feel like that long with time.
So I I have trouble combining those two facts in my brain.
Exactly. Yup, Yup.

(01:02:58):
Well, who knows, You know, I think we'll see what they
announce next. It's been, I mean, we have
Ahsoka and Andor, but after thatand Andor's ending, we know
there's Ahsoka season 2. There's been talks about maybe
they would do a Kenobi season 2 potentially.

(01:03:18):
I don't have a lot of faith thatwould happen, but it sounds like
everyone wants to do it, which would be great.
I'm all for that. But I'll say actually that could
be the best thing for that show series, whatever you want to
call it. Like I I think Kenobi would be
much better if it wasn't trying to squeeze into the established
timeline like we saw. Right.
Yeah, I would imagine any kind of announcement now that let's

(01:03:42):
say whatever D 23, Brazil, Brazil, we've got this
announcement for Andor any kind of announcement that's going to
come up next is going to be Celebration Japan.
Yeah, that is the logic. You know, if they're going to,
if they're going to really target the Star Wars fan, they
would do it at that point. Right, well, and you know, we,

(01:04:04):
you know, we don't know. I guess my, my larger point I
was trying to make was we don't know what's next, right?
We know there's a Circa Andor's going to come and go.
We know there's probably a Mandalorian and maybe a Kenobi.
But what's next for Star Wars? Yeah, all right.
Do they keep pumping out more live action content?
Do they pump the brakes a littlebit?

(01:04:25):
Do they put more focus on the filmmaking side?
Do. They bring back animation 'cause
right now it's kind of other than not, not meaning that it's
gone away, but they've got the Young Jedi adventures.
But there's really nothing like,right?
Well, there's got to be another anime show for sure, but I think

(01:04:46):
this is probably the you know, they've they've pre announced so
much in the past. This is probably the the point
where we know the least about what's coming up on Disney plus
or Star Wars, and so maybe they're just saving it all for
celebration Japan, but or maybe they're just slowing down a
little bit. I don't know, but re evaluating

(01:05:07):
after some of the the struggles they've had.
Either way, I'm very glad we've gotten Star Wars on Disney plus.
I think by and large most of theshows have been really good and
you know, it gave us things likeand, or and they figured out how
to make Star Wars at a cost effective way on the screen.

(01:05:29):
Well, I guess mostly cost effective.
So some of the times the budgetshave been obscenely large.
Easy for us to say. Well, yeah, man, right?
Spewing out what is it, like $20million an episode?
But it's not like Star Wars 1313, right, where they had
grand admissions and they were like, we just can't, we just
there's no way to to make this for the screen.
So yeah, anyway, well, I think that's it.

(01:05:51):
Congratulations to Disney Plus on five years.
We are very excited to see what comes what what happens next.
And we'll see you guys in a couple weeks for Skeleton Crew I
I'm so excited. It's, it's coming the next the
next show. Skeleton Crew, here we go.

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Thanksgiving unless something big happens.
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