April 22, 2025 • 66 mins
Join Tom, Stephen, and William as they review the first three-episode arc of Andor Season 2.
The second season takes place as the horizon of war draws near and Cassian becomes a key player in the Rebel Alliance. Everyone will be tested and, as the stakes rise, the betrayals, sacrifices and conflicting agendas will become profound.
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Welcome to the Iron Cannon podcast.
I'm one of your hosts, Steven. I'm joined by my friends and Co
host Tom and William. No, no pun today I am just very,
very, very, very, very excited. Oh, we are talking about Andor
season 2. Heck yeah, we are.
I'm so excited to be talking about Andor.
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Tom, I know you and of course, Steven.
We've all been so excited for this and it's finally here and
we're going to get basically a Star Wars mini movie every week
for the next couple weeks, for the next 3-4 weeks, right?
Yeah, for the next 4 weeks, 3/3.Three calendar weeks, but yeah,
four, I guess 4 calendar weeks, 321 days, I guess it'll take 20.
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Two days. However it works out exactly.
We're getting a mini movie everyother every week.
A mini movie. Exactly.
It's great. I am so excited to be here with
you guys. I guess I think we should just
let's dive into it, right? The, the, I guess we should note
we are recording this in advance.
Lucasfilm has kind enough to send us screeners of the first
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actually the whole season 2. We will not be discussing
anything that happens outside ofthis arc.
So to make sure we preserve the experience for everyone, we do
not want any spoilers. So we won't be discussing what
happens in the future. But yeah, we're, I'm excited to
to dive in. So Tom, you want to give
everyone a quick rundown of the first arc of Andor Season 2?
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Yes, I can, because we're going to be discussing Andor Season 2
now. The first 3 episodes you're
going to be watching takes placefour years before the Battle of
Yavin. These three episodes was
directed by Ariel Kleiman and they're written by Tony Gilroy,
and the synopsis is going to be basically overreaching for the
whole series. But second season takes place as
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the horizon of war draws near and Cassian becomes a key player
in the rebel alliance. Everyone will be tested as the
stakes rise, the betrayals happen, sacrifices and
conflicting agendas will become profound.
The day we're discussing those first 3 episodes and I'm telling
you, it kicks off fairly well. I I, I, I liked how it just
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kicked off, but it just, you just went right into the show.
So I think we have to throw it to Steven as our as our, as our
resident ship expert here because.
That's why I didn't go any further.
When I watched this this openingI I instantly thought of you.
Thank you. Yeah, that's why I didn't go any
further. Steven, I wanted you to bring
this up. Well, I appreciate you bringing
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it up, Tom. No, this entire opening sequence
is just phenomenal. We get the tie adventure or
Avenger. Sorry if I pronunciate my words
correctly. From Star Wars.
TIE Fighter, the video yeah yeah, famous of yes from the TIE
Fighter series. I maybe this says something
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about me. I was giddy the moment Steinar
came up on the screen, but just the the entire opening sequence
is phenomenal. Actually.
The thing I feel like you both will appreciate this.
The thing I was reminded of is you're familiar both with the
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Millennium Falcon ride at. Disneyland, right?
Yeah. And have you ever?
Have you ever had that experience where you're not the
pilot and it For those who don'tknow, there there's six
positions, 2 pilots, 2 Gunners, 2 engineers.
The pilots one goes left right and the other goes up down and
the up down is inverted. So you push the joystick forward
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to go down, and you pull it backto go up, which is normal.
Good catch, Steven, Good catch. It's a normal flight stick and
the only thing I could think of through this entire opening
sequence is like, Oh my God, it's a child who's piled in
loading Falcon. They can't figure out up is down
and down is up. And.
He's he is just throwing, throwing the ship into the
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ground. He wasn't.
Trained for this ship, Steven. No, he was not.
I actually. Really.
Appreciate it that they flag that later as just like a one
off, like I mean, it's won't be a surprise and or is phenomenal.
Like these first 3 episodes werefantastic and like that little
bit of detail, just like the writing throughout like that was
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A to me. It was a perfect example of
like, Oh yeah, they, they know exactly what they're doing.
It's such a cool ship too. Like it, it, the, the cockpit
is, you know, typically in Star Wars, all the UI is very retro,
you know, 70s and like this, youknow, you, you're seeing the
other ships popping up on the screen and it's like, you know,
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target target locking on, you know, like the, the rocket
trooper in the, in the, in the hangar.
It, it like, and you're seeing it on the glass.
Basically, it, it, it's cool. It is super cool.
The Thai Avengers. Awesome.
Well, just the whole control of it.
Tory had the throttles on the one side and the other side
basically was his stick. That was also the guns.
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And it was fun to see him try and figure out how the whole
thing worked because as you said, and it did come up, he was
not trained for this. Yeah.
And to watch him figure that whole thing out in in real time
was a lot of fun to watch. Same time taking out all Yeah.
And taking out all those stormtroopers were great.
It's so good. It's a honestly, it's a
hilarious sequence, but it also just, it kicks off the season so
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well. I I just, I was, I was on the
edge of my seat watching this. I was like, yes, I can't wait.
Did you say the season started with a bang?
Yes, like 10 out of 10 opening for the season, right.
And it and it starts with, as Steven, you were, you're
starting to say like you're on it says Synar.
And I actually went wondering, is it cause typically Synar is
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well, Synar fleet systems is thename of like the company that
makes the tie fighters and of course the race.
Synar is the owner, but to my knowledge Synar is not the name
of the planet, but typically those those title cards are for
planets. I'm trying to recall because
doesn't it say like Synar and then it had like a?
Mid RIM, I think, I think it's ayeah or or no.
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Synar's Fleet Systems Test Facility 73, which was what it
said. Yeah.
And that that's how I read it isit's not literally the the
system of Synar, but it was justSynar test facility number,
whatever. That's where I assumption that's
what I read it too, yeah. Either way, it's so cool to see
sign R and and to see the tech who's like getting the ship
ready and you don't really know what's going on at first, but it
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turns out she's actually a rebelspy and she's getting it ready
for Cassian to steal. And they're like, you know,
made-up a hole. He's he's already infiltrated as
a as a test pilot and he as soonas she gets the ship ready, he
goes out and he takes it and well, attempts to fly off, but
really just banks the ship all around the all around the the
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hanger and until he could blow ahole in the door.
It's it's great. It could.
Not that ship really. That ship took a real beating
before it left the hanger. Oh, yeah, I don't know.
I just, I. It was such a great opening.
Yeah, I'll just. Add as a like our challenge
through all this is by the way, we have to review 3 episodes and
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kind of the whole time we do 1 episode.
But the last thing I'll say about the Thai adventure is I
appreciate it that the ship as awhole really to me felt like it
was they were trying to showcaselike it, it was a test ship,
basically. Like it, it's experimental
controls. It's an experimental ship.
The weapon loadout felt experimental.
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You know, that that is not normal TIE fighter usage.
Just the really cool detail threat, Yeah.
For sure, and I realized we werewe were actually going to
originally. We plan on starting with like a
quick recap of where everyone isin the last year since and or
season 1 ended, at least in universe.
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And we we were so excited about the the Thai adventure.
We just jumped right into the beginning.
But I I think it's worth callingout, you know, since we last saw
all of all of, you know, Cassianand his friends.
Cassian is now, as clearly we can see from this opening
sequence, fully integrated into Lutheran Rails Rebellion.
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He's doing missions. Yeah.
I think Candor is always kind ofbilled as a spy show.
And Season 1 was more about how Cassian joins the fight.
Now he's in it. And Season 2 really is more of
that that spy show in many ways.I know we'd also talked about
like, what are they going to do with Bix and Brazo and B2 EMO
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like we'd speculated last last season.
Are they done right? It's just they they go off and
they go hide on some moon and isthat it?
And but no, no, they're they're still around.
They're living on a new planet, Mina Rao.
And it's not Dantowine and it's not lethal.
It's it's a new planet. We were, we were wrong.
We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll do that.
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Caston's even in a in a relationship with Bix now a very
committed relationship and, you know, Brasso and Willman have
their their relationships as well.
Mon Mothma and Perrin are preparing for their daughter
Lita's wedding to stuck in Skolden.
As we saw hinted at the last season, Velsartha is still, you
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know, around hanging out with her cousin Mon Mothma a lot more
rebel. Of course, Lutheran Rail is, you
know, leading the his faction ofthe rebels with Clea and well,
Cyril and is in a very differentplace and and Deidre.
But we'll I think we should we should talk more about them in
in a few minutes. But Cyril is now.
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At the supervisor, I cannot, I cannot wait to talk about that
one. I can't wait to talk about that
one. Oh yeah.
We don't actually see them untilthe second episode, but Cyril is
he's they're he's much happier, I guess.
I guess we'll say. They really.
Anyway, we got to continue. But but I thought they did a
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really good job of working whereall the characters are AT and
keeping them all still in the series, even though I didn't
think some of them would make itinto season 2.
They actually feature quite heavily.
So OK, so before we go, we got we have a lot to talk about
about Mina Rao and the wedding on Chandrilla and and some very
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exciting imperial stuff. But before that, let's let's at
least wrap up Cassian story because there's a few different
concurrent storylines in the first episode.
We'll still talk about it episode by episode.
A big through line through the 1st and and actually even the
second episode in this arc is Cassian's capture.
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He, he ends up taking the Thai Avenger to a jungle planet and,
and he's supposed to meet his contact Porco there, who's going
to take the Thai Avenger on and allow Cassian to go back home
to, to Mina Rao. And Porco's not there.
Instead, they find a group of soldiers led by Curtis and
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Barty. And I'll be honest, it was not
they, they end up capturing him.And personally, I think it was
not my favorite subplot 'cause it was just.
A lot of. Fighting between it was like the
one weak part of the the first arc I think.
I'd I'd have to agree with that because what kept bothering me
throughout this whole thing, you've got these two factions
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that are fighting each other, but nobody listened to and or
Cassian because Cassian, if theywould have thought about it,
would have been a natural leaderfor what they're trying to do.
But yet they had these two brothers or two factions that
were constantly fighting each other.
It's like you need to, Steven, go ahead.
I actually think you're both missing the point.
At least you, Tom. I don't know about you, William.
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OK. I think there's a very I like.
Where you're going, Steven, 'cause I agree with you.
I but I think the point of this sequence is to show Cassian his
skill set of like as a a spy forthe rebellion.
And in particular, I think what it's showing throughout is he's
if not that they're not listening to him, they are.
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And every step of this entire story is Cassian prodding them
in a way that he knows will eventually let him escape.
He. Encourages the the disagreements
between them, which prevents them from focusing on him.
He ensures that he is sent to the I don't know what you want
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to call it, like the the one that is the ship, like Porco
ship where he, you know, the plaster is.
It is all designed, I think, around Passian preparing to
escape, basically. So.
The whole time I was going to say so the whole time, and this
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is probably the one part that I did miss, that he literally was
manipulating them to his own setgoal at the end to actually plan
to get to escape and. Leave them there, it's an all
story. I I I read, I I get where you
both are coming from. I I don't know if I thought it
was the weakest or not. I found it entertaining to watch
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exactly how dumb these like soldiers were and how easily
manipulated they were. I have to agree with that part
though. Yes, I agree with that.
I will also add there, there's another element that I think was
important that they wanted to show through the storyline.
And I, I think it, it doesn't change the fact that it
personally, I thought it was still the weakest part of the,
the premiere, but. Agreed in the the. 1st 2
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episodes because the storyline really takes it place over the,
IT really is like a mini movie right?
Where we're, while we're kind ofgoing episode by episode in, in
some ways, I almost feel like wehave to talk a little about the
second piece just because it, it, it's 111 cohesive story.
We learn that first, you know, The Cave that killed Porco,
right, because Porco seemingly fought back and they, they think
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Cassian is a, they don't believethat he's a, a rebel because
he's a, he's in an imperial testpilot uniform.
But we actually learned that they they work for Maya Pay and
they're part of the Maya Pay brigade, which is another rebel
cell we actually heard about in season 1 of of Andor and.
Oh, I missed that. Not only are so they're they're
actually another rebel cell but Maya Pei died at some point
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recently and they are leaderlessand the the 2 are fighting over
who's 2 factions are fighting over who should be the leader.
Is it Bharti or is it Gerdis andCassian even says I know Maya
pay it actually took. Me a second.
To get, I missed a lot of this on the 1st viewing.
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On the second viewing, I was like, Oh my gosh.
They're actually they're anotherrebel faction that are warring
within themselves and they don'tknow the other rebel factions.
So even though Cassian knows their leader, she's dead.
And so Cassian has no way to prove that he's a a rebel.
They don't they think he's an Imperial pilot.
And I think this is really intended to both show how
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Cassian manipulates people, but also how fractured the rebel
alliance is at this point. Or, or there is no rebel
alliance, right? It's just rebel cells.
And that Maya pays brigade is iscompletely separate from in many
ways from the other cells. But even amongst themselves,
they can't agree on anything. And so, you know, it's a, it's
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a, I, I liked that piece of it. And it's a very brutal sequence.
Like we see like a someone's stump of someone's leg, you
know, in the fight, 'cause they end up shooting at each other
and trying to turn the tie Avenger to shoot, you know, each
other. And and so there was a lot of
that stuff going on. There was definitely OK.
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So my, my question in that respect, you mentioned the stump
of a person's leg. Was that one of the rebels from
either of the camps that they shot him?
Or was that supposed to be a meaning of there was something
dangerous on the planet that basically killed the person?
Because that's the one thing that kind of confused me was
that stump of the the the leg. So I, the way I read it or, or
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understood it was that it was one of the, I mean, I guess I
originally thought I was one of the people who died in the, in
the, in the gunfight. But then maybe it actually
wasn't. Because later we see that what
is it called? The, the creature had it written
down somewhere that it kind of comes out of the, oh, a doodar.
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It comes out of nowhere and it and attacks the group while
Cassian's trying to escape and giving him cover.
And it's possible that that had attacked and maybe that's why
Maya Pae died. It's never quite clear if she
died in the conflict in Porco or, or what.
But yeah, I think I think that'swhat happened.
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We also get our Star Wars Rochambeau sequence, so there's
that. Which which was really.
It's no, I yeah. That's why I just like the the
stupidity of all of these peopleis what I think made this so
enjoyable. And watching them Rochambeau it
out to figure out who's gonna bethe leader is Cassian Escapes is
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a plus. Even their names are are just
strange, right? You've got fleep, snee, snur,
crab, shambo, Oscar, Rica, Nick,Nazy, roud, tick, baso, plug,
flu and Musk like Oh, that's an odd assortment of they're
definitely an odd group for for sure.
The thing I like the most thoughwas the twist, and I know this
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is this actually happens in the second episode, but the reveal
as Cassian escapes into the ThaiAvenger and flies away that they
are on none other than Yavin 4. That's a that it was a great.
Moment that That got the audiblegasp from me.
That was that was same here. Well, and then and then now you
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look at it this way. If, if this little rebel group
never leaves Yavin 4, at least there is some rebels on that
planet that hopefully when they come back realize, Oh my God,
there's other rebel cells. They're actually on the planet.
I think they are long dead by the time.
Long dead by then. I don't.
Think he did survive? Yeah.
OK, I I was holding out some kind of hope that maybe somebody
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would be left after the Rochambeau was over with that,
you know, at least somebody would be done left there.
Yeah. Yeah.
So yeah, that that's the whole storyline on Yavin 4.
I think it's a cool way to introduce Yavin 4 and you know,
it kind of show us more about the rebels and and how Cassian
works even again, overall probably my least favorite
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storyline, but that's OK. Another big through line, which
we'll we'll talk about more as we go through the episodes.
But that's the Mina Rao we talked about how Bix and Cassian
are together now Brasso and and women both have are are in a
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relationship with have a girlfriend B2 Emo is back.
And it's just it's nice to see all these these characters
again. We also learned that Bix is
having nightmares constantly about her torture at the hands
of Doctor Gorst. And that becomes a big through
line of this arc as well and howshe tries to deal with that the
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the the ramifications of, of what she she went through and.
You know, and I think the first episode, it's really more about
in the first episodes, we're just kind of getting back to, to
know them again and seeing Bix'stroubles in the any kind of how,
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where they're living and how, you know, they, they're always
worried they might get caught 'cause they don't have visas to
stay on the planet. But when an Imperial ship
arrives in the sky, that's when things get more interesting in
the the second and third episodes.
What did you guys think of of seeing the the Ferix Friends
again? I it was only that was kind of
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fascinating because I remember feeling, I don't wanna say
ambivalent about most of the folks on Ferix, but like I
couldn't remember their names for the most part.
And they they felt much more like side characters in the kind
of original, even one, the first12 episodes, I felt like they
really started to all kind of come into their own here.
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And yeah, like it, I appreciatedthis kind of splice, splice of
life story amongst them all. And I realized I just talked
about not knowing their names. And now I'm Brasso.
That's right. I was trying to remember the
name. I, I think one of the standout
kind of scenes for me here was Brasso was talking with one of
the locals who is like sheltering them, the the man
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that is helping shelter them andI.
Know the one you're talking about?
Yeah. And there's just a great lion
where he's like, I can't believethe Empire's doing this.
Like, This is why, why are, why are people not more upset?
And Brass was like, yeah, 'causethey're doing it everywhere.
It's not, it's not a here thing.It is that similar to what we
saw in Season 1, that slow burn of like, Yep, the Empire's just
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squeeze in a little bit all overthe place.
And now we we know how it's gonna go.
Yeah, yeah. And, and I don't know,
originally we were going to do episode by episode, but maybe it
makes sense just to talk throughit all this whole.
I think we should now. I think we should, it makes it
easier. Yeah, for sure, for sure.
And so, you know, that's the first episode.
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We're just kind of getting back into these characters again and
getting used to them. In the second episode, that's
when The Imperials start doing an audit of the planet.
And I mean, that's a huge undertaking, but they basically,
they go sector by sector and start making sure they're
getting, you know, the, the, thegrain and, and, and making sure
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everyone there is, is allowed tobe on the planet.
And there's a local family, Kellen and Anna and their
daughter Bila, who who try to help Bix and, and Brasso stay
under the, the imperial radar. But the, the I like how you, you
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just get that tension of, of theempire's getting closer.
They're getting closer, they're getting closer throughout the
the 2nd and then ultimately the third episodes and how they
start shutting down the communications.
I, I thought that that storylinewas, was really well done.
Yeah, I agree. Until the empire finally arrives
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and, you know, we see that they're really happy on on Mina
Rao and and, and then the empirecomes and everything just
unfortunately, just just just gets completely, completely
destroyed. And and not for not like there's
some damage, but I mean just more like their, their, their,
their life there. You know, despite the emergency
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work order that they get, they to try to like see if they can
escape in time. Wellman, he goes off and, and,
and leaves his speeder at the atthe little shop while he's
having a a moment with his with,with Bela.
And of course, that's when the empire chooses to arrive and
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Willman speeder is, is no longerthere, still out in front of the
shop. And they they realize he's
there. And by the time Brasso gets back
to to Willman to try to rescue him, things just start going
very, very, very wrong. And I think the worst one out of
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all the characters was Bix. That was the one that that was.
That was one of those things in which you have an Imperial
officer who feels they have morepower than they actually have
and tries to use it to their advantage.
And I have to say, it was, it was uncomfortable to watch, but
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it was really, it was hard to watch.
But it was really nice to see him get his comeuppance when it
was all said and done. Yes, period.
Something we haven't seen in Star Wars before at.
All no, no, not at all. And and it's it's one of those
things in which it's it's shocking, but it wasn't it
didn't go too far. It went far enough, but I just.
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Yeah. I mean, I it it, it, it was,
yeah. But then also, yes.
And that that that was exactly it.
But also it is that other thing that when you look at Bix
overall, not only is she had to deal with what her torture went
through, but now she's got this.And it shows that Bix has a lot
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of growth to do. And let's see what happens in
the next episode. Maybe it makes her stronger
going forward. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very, very
hard to watch. It was good to see Vicks finally
take out Lieutenant Kroll, though, even though it's, you
know, it's not the easiest shooting someone.
I think it's probably the first time she's had to kill anyone.
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But he he definitely deserved itfor what he was trying to do.
He deserved it. Yeah.
And of course, Cassian arrives just in time and and takes out
the other the other Imperial office.
There there Sergeant Stang and is it is there to rescue Bix,
but unfortunately, poor Brasso. He he he rescues woman, but he
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ends up dying. I was I I know you mentioned
Steven that you hadn't quite grown attached to the characters
by the end of season 1. I I I really like Brasso and B2
emo. And and.
And Bix not less so Willman, but.
He is 1. Brasso is the one I I think I
was most attached to. And yeah, this this is the one
that hurt. Like I thought he was gonna make
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it. And then and.
It happens off screen too. He's just you think everyone
escaped and Nope, his he's he was shot on his speeder.
It's it's heartbreaking, it's brutal.
It's so. Sad.
Sadly deadly. That's what happens.
You're gonna be losing people along the way during a rebellion
like that. And with The Imperials involved,
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they don't care. They will just if you're
running, they will just shoot. Though it's, it's sad to see
Bosso go, but I just feel that in some cases to wrap up
storylines and not let things hang, This was not a way to wrap
it up. But well, I, I, I don't know
what else I mean. And I mean, Tony Gilroy has
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previously talked about how originally the outline was for
five seasons of the show. So these.
These four. Episodes would have each been a
whole season of of content originally as planned and they
decided, no, we're going to wrapit up in one season.
And it's it's too big of a show to try to do for that long.
Well, I think the other thing hementioned, the other thing he
mentioned within that interview that Cassie and or actor would
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not age wise work because he yeah, it just, they had to do it
this way to make it. David Luna would have been too
old by the time it actually got up to the timeline of Rogue One.
So that's why they had to condense it.
Yep, but so it makes sense that you know, like it was, even
though it's sad to see Brasso go, it makes sense why they they
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had to do it because they have to get Cassie into the point
where he is in in rogue one, at least B2 emo.
He gets to he gets to live. He he he stays with Talia on
Mina Rao and and woman Man, thatkid sticks around.
I don't know how he continues tosurvive, but he does.
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I think you have this like overall in a relatively small
role in season 1. I'll compare it to the other his
other. That, that's very true.
Yeah, that's very true. Yeah, so and of course seeing
again the tie, the tie Avenger blast to the grain silos and
everything else was just, it's cool.
It's it's very, very cool. So yeah, I I liked this
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storyline quite a bit. It I think in the 1st 2
episodes, it kind of it's a slowburn at 1st and really builds up
in the in the third episode intothat, that crescendo.
And I think the same is true of the the wedding, right?
We we we see in season 1 take take Homa helps Mon Mothma hide
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her money that she was, you know, funneling to the rebels by
bringing in Davos Golden, the somewhat not so reputable
businessman who can help hide the funds.
He's kind of a gangster. And in return, he just asked for
an introduction between Mon Mothma's daughter Lena and his
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son Stekin. And of course, as we saw in
season 1, Lena is very much she's very much wanting to
follow along with the Chandrillin customs, which is
like getting married early. And and so she's like, Yep, I
want to marry Stekin. And so we see that in season 1
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for the entire entirety of this first arc, the wedding covers.
What did you guys think of of seeing the Chandrillin wedding?
I'll start with you, Steven. I.
Mean it's one of those things where I appreciate the amount of
world building that went into Chandrilla, everything from the
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architecture to like the weddingceremonies to, you know, the
ceremonial hikes. Like that was the thing I think
I took away from this more than anything was just how deep they
built up, built up that world. And then the the overlapping of
that with, you know, Mon Mothma working through her, her
rebellion I thought was phenomenal.
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Is did such a good job of bringing it all together.
I I liked when you had Val and Mon sit there going back and
forth about was this the right thing for the kids?
And it seemed like when it came to Mothma and Val, they didn't
like this whole thing about the arranged marriage.
And I think Mon Mon, you could so tell wasn't like it didn't
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like it. And even Val just had the whole
thing about, you know, this is all wrong.
And then when you're watching the the betrothed new husband,
he looked like he really didn't care about the whole thing.
No, I mean he even. Complaints about him saying he's
a. Childish and.
Doesn't want to hold her hand and all this stuff like.
And yet. And the look on his face and
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it's just so bland. It's like, oh hum, I mean, who
cares? This is gonna happen.
Every time they cut to him, I laugh pretty hard.
'Cause yes, yes. And she is just the the one that
got me. And I hope I'm not going to jump
so far ahead on this one. And it it isn't within these
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three episodes is where Mon is sitting there talking to her
daughter going, look, when I wasin your position, my mother was
drunk at the time, OK. And and Mon sat there and said
her feeling about this whole thing.
And I really don't agree. And blah, blah, blah.
I hope you're making the right choice and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah. And the daughter just listened
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to all this and just turns her and say, does I wish you were
drunk? I mean, talk about the talk
about the biggest into your. Face it, just.
Hurt. To watch.
Oh my God, did that hurt. Yeah, I mean, and it's one of
those things you, you kind of get it, like you said, William.
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Like you can see the distance between Mon Mothma and both her
husband and you know, watch watching her balance throughout
throughout these three episodes.This arc the wedding is just
phenomenal. And we'll get the.
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Luthen's role as well in. A moment.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I I want it.
Can can I jump one more thing onon Taman?
But I think for me was her breaking point was when the
whole ceremony was over and the party began and you just see her
start drinking and then she juststarts dancing like I have just.
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Yeah, and that's for. Multiple reasons too, right?
Yeah, it's no, but but I but butthat to me was like, and yes,
we're going to get to the other multiple reasons, but you're
watching all this and it's just like, oh God, Gus.
Yeah, it's a great excuse also having this wedding to bring in
so many other people into one place, right.
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Like not only do we have. And make it uncomfortable.
Parent and and Davos Golden exactly, but also like Val
Sartha man's cousin Tay Colma, who you mentioned.
We'll, we'll talk more about himin just a minute.
And it, it's just, it's cool to have everyone there to like to
see Lutheran, for example, and Clea right next to Tay Colma and
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Davos Golden all in the same room is just it, it makes for
some great drama. And they only ramp it up through
these first 3 episodes. You know, like at first Lutheran
and and Claire, they're there atthe, at the, the, as the guests
of Davos Scolden because he buys, you know, antiques from,
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from Lutheran. And you know, in this case, he's
brought a very, very expensive Shandy Merle to as a as a as a
wedding gift, which I have to say, I Steven texted me as well.
When when you got to this point just hearing like the the
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reference to the the Ricotten invaders.
Oh, I just, it's everything thatfeeds my heart, you know these.
I think it was 12 statues, something like, or maybe it was
yeah, 12 something like. Yeah, that had been lost during
the Rakatan invasion or whatever.
They kind of just like this that.
Yes, thank you. Please now give me the Kirkcore
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movie. But you know.
Exactly, I'm pretty sure they mentioned the the ricotta in
season 1 as well. But I'm like yes, please just
keep keep those Kotar referencesgoing.
You know it's. Similar to anytime we see
Luthan's Luthan's shop, I feel like they're trying to hide as
many Easter eggs as they can in it.
Yes. Yes, I agree.
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It it grounds it in, you know, the history of the Galaxy in
just a phenomenal way. For sure, And so it's still cool
to see Luther in there. But then we also start to get
this, you know, I, I really liketake Holma in, in season 1.
I thought he was great. Kind of reminds me of Chancellor
Valorem a little bit. I, I, I like him a lot.
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And in season 2 we start to findout that he's, he's not in a
good place, right? It's been it's been a year and
he is he's now like he and his wife have gotten a divorce.
In fact, it's it's kind of funnyto hear Luther, not Lutheran
Perrin later making jokes about take home and being Mon Mothma's
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boyfriend lover to her face, which I don't know if we ever if
she ever acted on it. But like she and Perrin are
definitely not having the the not the closest relationship and
she definitely values her friendship with her childhood
friend Tay. But as we go through the arc, we
start to learn that he's not very happy.
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And Mon's been kind of brushing him off because he's been busy.
She's been busy and he he helpedher hide all the funds for the
rebels. But as a result of helping her,
his business dealings have actually been negatively
impacted by the rebel activity. And he feels like he's actually
kind of got the short end of thestick here.
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And it, the tension kind of builds through the episode.
And Luthan's watching from afar as Mon and and Tay have these
conversations. And eventually it kind of comes
to a head where take home doesn't flat out say, I, I need
you to to compensate me for my losses.
But Mon Mothma gets the message.She gets the message that she
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needs to pay him. And she's like, I got I'll, I'll
figure out a number next week, You know, we'll, we'll chat and
we'll figure out a number to payhim.
And Lutheran is not, not confident, I guess.
Tom, what, what did you think ofthis, this whole sequence?
And what were your thoughts whenLutheran takes steps?
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Yeah, you knew. You knew something was wrong
when Bal's girlfriend shows up as the limousine driver or or
for God. Cinta shows up.
It's. Like, that's what I meant.
I want to say Cinta. Cinta shows up out of nowhere.
Cinta shows up and you're you'resitting just going, yeah, this
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is not going to end well, you know, which is pretty sad
because, you know, here you havea guy who was actually helping
the rebellion. OK?
There's no way you could just cut the guy a little bit of
slack and, and helped him along the way instead of helping him
along the way. So I just, but it also shows
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that for Lutheran, I think it goes back to the speech he gave
on Coruscant to where he's sacrificing everything,
sacrifice everything. And, and it's, it's for the
rebellion. He, he will do what he must for
the rebellion. And if that means taking out a
friend, he'll take out a friend,or he'll take out somebody who's
going to get in the way. Yeah, Steven, your your thoughts
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on the, as far as we can tell, the demise of good all take
Homa. Yeah, I mean, it's expected.
I think I've really enjoyed Maybe This is Bad.
I really enjoyed watching Lutheran go to work.
(39:32):
Yep. Like there?
Sorry, there's no room. The thing I'm I'm in some ways
most interested by is watching Mon Mothma, I think continue to
grapple with what this mean, what all this means basically to
be to lead the rebellion, to tryand pull it together.
This felt like maybe one of the first times that she'd really
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been kind of pulled into it, youknow, like, or maybe not pulled
into it, but like, personally affected by personally.
Yeah, yeah. 'Cause all.
The like all the other stuff. She she cares about what's
happening in the Galaxy, but she's not personally hurt by it
at all. Yeah.
This this was a direct. Yeah, I mean, the closest would
be like, oh, she's friends with Padme and Padme dies, but like,
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that is like kind of a stretch compared to, you know, her
childhood best friend getting murdered for her 'cause that's
like. It's it's at this point implied
because all he does is get into a limousine with center driving.
You have no idea at this point what happens to him.
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I mean, I think. It's pretty, Dad.
It's. Pretty.
I know. I I hit the I Yeah, I'm sorry.
I thought the same thing. OK, but but you you you got it
at this point. It's it's an implied at this
point. Happens off screen, but like
oof, that's and you know, like. You see?
The the the moment Genevieve O'Reilly does a phenomenal job
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and and you know, Stalin, Skarsgard both do a phenomenal
job. When Lutheran tells Mon Mothma
that you know, he implies that Tay's got to die and you see
just like her face fall and she knows she can't do anything.
And and it it's what leads it directly to that that drinking
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and you. Know her daughter is marrying
someone terrible and and and flat out telling her she wishes
she you know her mother was drunk instead of telling giving
her the advice not to marry him her best friend is getting is is
going to be killed off for. The.
Rebellion because he's just getting a little too disgruntled
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and getting a little too close to Davos Golden.
And yeah, that's when she has that.
Her and her husband are on theirouts.
Yeah, so you got that one? It's a little funny to say this
like 'cause so obviously we're recording ahead of time, 'cause
we're trying to stay on top of everything that is coming.
I'm, I'm expecting to see GIFs of the OR maybe not gifts, but
(41:59):
like parody videos or whatever you want to call it of Mon
Mothma's like hair free dancing set to different, like actual,
you know, modern pop music compared.
To that would be fun. You're probably right.
And maybe this is where maybe I will be totally wrong and none
of no one's done that. In which case, same on all of
you. You could have done better, but.
Speaking of. Can I also put the Star Wars
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disco ball right? It was.
Yeah, it. Was I agree?
Oh, that was funny. Oh, that was funny.
Fantastic. Ridiculous, but fantastic.
They brought back the. Morlana One radio mix from
season 1 as well speaking. Of one, one thing really quick.
Can I throw this out? When it comes to Lutheran's
character, the East, it's going cut.
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Gausgaard, sorry, can go in and out between him being the
antiquity, an antiquity buyer tobeing a rebel leader is just so
astounding to watch. He's how he can just go back and
forth between the two with ease.Yeah, I love his.
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It's incredible. I love him.
Oh, God, he's so good. Yeah.
It's it's phenomenal. I got kid.
Yeah, it's great. It is great.
Speaking of of great stuff we get to see flipping over from
the from the rebels to the empire, good old director or
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synchronic from Rogue One and he's back.
We knew it. We saw in previews, but he he
plays a decent decently sized role in, in the in the season
and particularly the premiere, where when he assembles a top
secret team of the empire's brightest minds in the Malfean
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divide. And it it's so cool to see
chronic again, but basically thewhole point of the secret
meeting and it's top secret. Like it's like if your if your
bosses know you're here, they'renot They're not.
I keep want to say tented. That's the term we use at work.
But like, if you're not, yeah, you know, if you're not in the
room, you don't know. Not even, not even Governor
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Tarkin and Colonel Yularn know about this until the Emperor
will personally tell them. But they're there to figure out
how to manage the problem of theplanet Gorman.
Because Gorman they're a fashionplanet, kind of like Paris or
Milan, known for their they're they're beautiful clothing made
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from Gorman twill, which is consists of like this spider
silk, golectopod silk. But they also have a precious
resource needed for the Death Star, a deep substrate foliated
calkite, which is necessary for the to coat the reactor lenses
on the Death Star. They throughout, you know, the
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season. The question is, how do they
control Gorman? You know, there, there's like
theories around, oh, we can justuse the, you know, the, the
Ministry of Enlightenment to control the narrative and, and
whatnot. And they, they start
brainstorming different ways to control Gorman because if they
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extract this stuff from the planet, it's probably going to
make the planet core unstable and destroy the planet and all
800,000 Gorman's. So ultimately Deidre comes up
with the idea that credit likes the best and says that, you
know, she they need to have a the rebels.
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They need to make sure the rebels do something wrong that
the empire can use. But I want I want to get your
thoughts, Steven, what do you think of this whole sequence and
the plot to control Gorman? It's definitely a case where you
can tell this is going to be oneof the slow burn things.
I think throughout this season we spend very little time in any
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of these sequences. But you can tell like we are, we
are building up to obviously theGorman massacre and seeing the
the beginning of it here is justkind of heartbreaking because,
you know, like I said, you know what's coming.
But right. Yeah, I mean the Gorman, for
those who don't know the Gorman massacre and we'll, we'll talk
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more about this in later episodes, but they've talked
about how the Gorman massacre will feature heavily in the
season. And it is the moment that
inspires Mon Mothma to declare the emperor, emperor evil
publicly and kind of unites, we see it in in, in Star Wars
Rebels, it it's what unites the various rebel factions together.
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And so that will be a, a, a key moment in some Season 2.
But for now, we're just startingto see the the beginnings of how
all the pieces move into place. Tom, are you starting to say?
Something it's it is that one storyline that's going to be
thread I believe throughout the whole series like you mentioned.
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So, and I definitely agree it isa slow burn and it's fascinating
that Deirdre's involved in this.And it's always something to
where it, it seems like with her, her character, it's always
that one idea that's always thought of as like an
afterthought when a bigger idea comes up, he's the one that
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comes up. Well, how about this?
And that's the one they normallyrun with, like in this case, so.
What's interesting about her character, right, is she she's
so desperately in season 1 wanted to find Lutheran rail or
axis as the emperor empire callsthe ISP has code named him and
that's been her entire focus fora year at this point.
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But she's gotten nowhere. And when director Credit
personally asks her to lead the Gorman project, it or be well,
you know, one of the the, the core members of the Gorman
project. It is incredibly important to
the empire. And, and it kind of shows how
much director, how much trust Director Krenik has in her.
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But at the same time, to the rest of the public, it looks
like a demotion 'cause she's been pulled off of the
investigation for Axis. And you know, in the long run it
will be good. And, and major party goes is in
every scene he is in. He is just phenomenal.
And I love every line of dialogue he has, but you know,
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he tells her to be thankful because it's it will help her in
in the long run. And but in the meantime, she's
not happy to be no longer tracking down good ol axis.
But the thing I find fascinatingthis this caught me completely
off guard. What did you guys think of?
(48:59):
Yeah, here it comes. Because I'll tell you honestly,
in the first season when I thinkCyril saved Deirdre from Ferrix
from possibly getting, you know,killed, I sat there and told
myself, when they're face to face, please don't kiss it.
Please don't kiss her. Please don't kiss her.
What happens in this episode? You find out the two of them are
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now are are now a thing, which I'm like, what?
It's a great I've been. I did not expect.
That every moment they're both on screen together was just
nominal. Oh my God, yes.
The amount so the amount of discomfort you feel from.
(49:40):
Them. They constantly look
uncomfortable their clothing. Look.
Like everything, but realize, realize when they're in when
sorry, but when they're in the apartment together, she's
wearing white, he's wearing black, literally her apartment's
like all white, black and white,mostly white.
And you're watching. It's just going, Oh my freaking
(50:02):
Lord, this is just the most bizarre relationship in Star
Wars can ever come up with. But I'm sorry, it's.
So good. I love every every second of it.
Right. Like, and, you know, yeah, just
every. And the fact that like Cyril's
now he's a supervisor at the Bureau of Standards and he's
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he's showing the new recruits how, you know, how important his
minor jobs are because you can uncover the rebel smuggling
cabal too. And then he goes home and just
has the most awkward but. Like.
Like they they both clearly are very much into each other, but
also like the most awkward moments between them.
It's it's phenomenal. And then and then, you know,
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it's hinted at in the second episode that, you know, they're
going to do something. And Cyril desperately does not
want to do this thing. And he was hoping Deidre was
gone longer so that he could getout of this.
And I had my theories. And then we get to the third
episode, and sure enough, the thing he was dreading so much
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was dinner with his mother. And oh.
My God, Didra and and Edie Karn meet and it's just, oh, it's the
entire sequence is so good. It was brilliant.
Steven, go ahead. I've talked enough.
Go ahead. I want to hear your thoughts on
this. The So I when I was texting
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William during the second episode, I sent him 2 two
things. One was ricotta and #2 I just
said fondue. And it's it's true.
The the scene where Cyril's mom is talking and dripping the
fondue all over the table. I just died.
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Cyril's just so. Uncomfortable.
Too and like it's. Beyond uncomfortable.
And then the the moment where Cyril like goes and like lays
down on the bed or whatever it is.
Like like like a like a like a defeated.
Kid so good. But then that's and then Deidre
steps in and is like I will facilitate.
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Oh my God. That moment was in the scene
that was incredible, was just even more incredible, which is
like every different plan in mind.
And when I say the word plan, itmakes it sound optional, which
is not the impression you shouldbe taking away.
You here's the deal. I'm gonna let you see.
Your son's gonna call you. We're gonna, you're gonna, we're
gonna, he's gonna visit. And in return, you're gonna be
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polite to him. And she just like rips her up
and down and. And I'm gonna make sure she he
calls you at least once or twiceonce once a month or or what?
I just the rules he laid down tohis mother.
I'm like, Oh my F and Lord. Oh, Sarah.
Walks back in the room and Edie's tearing too and he
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completely changes. She's so polite.
And the thing I loved about it most is like Deidre works for
the ISB. Like she doesn't take shit.
Exactly. And go ahead, finish, Finish.
No. And it, and it was you, you've
got this incredibly awkward conversation where you can tell
(53:12):
they're kind of tiptoeing and trying to figure out how to do
this. And then you, you get to realize
like, Oh no, they, they have like, maybe not, they have a
plan, but Deidre has a plan. She's applying exactly what she
does today. Right.
And and she also comes up with in that whole speech.
Well, I've looked into your Uncle Eddie or whatever it is,
and I'm telling you that. So one thing.
(53:33):
Yeah. Uncle Harlow.
And I don't think we'd really want to go there, do you?
Oh, I'm like I am dying. Because she keeps bringing up
Uncle Harlow constantly in the last.
Two weeks. And so the fact that Didra has
already looked up Uncle Harlow'srecords, like that's not a story
you want to be advertising. It's.
(53:55):
Just. So good.
This entire sequence. It's like 10 out of 10.
Pure gold. I loved it.
That, that right there, to me, is Emmy worthy.
Just that whole sequence, that whole thing, all three actors
should walk away with an Emmy because my God, it was so.
And also writing, the writing for that was incredible.
(54:17):
That acting was beautiful and even the set design in that
whole apartment made you so enthralled with what's going.
And the other thing out of all that non color, when Edie comes
walking in with all that color and just she stands out and it's
like that point is the target ofthe whole thing.
When Deirdre gets up and just lays in on her.
(54:41):
My God, what a scene. Yep, Yep, no more needs to be
said it was. Yeah, I'm done.
Mic drop. My God.
The writing on this show is so good, like Tony Goldroy is just
doing a phenomenal job. And of course the rest of the
writing team too. It's just, yeah, no notes.
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Like I loved it. What what a premiere, what a
first 3 episodes of the season. It's so good.
It's so good. The only thing, the only other
thing I think that it was like alittle, it wasn't that bad.
It was still very well done. But the tiniest disappointment
(55:25):
was that Nicholas Patel is not back to score the the second
season. He did a phenomenal job in the
first season, but Brandon Roberts is taking over the
score. And it's good, but it feels like
it reuses a lot of the same themes as as season 1 rather
than like expanding it quite as much.
(55:48):
But it was still, it was still, it was still enjoyable.
But yeah, it's overall great. Great first 3 episodes.
I I just have to say. It's it's set up, it's set up
the season very well. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I don't know any other
thoughts on on on this before wewe dive into our our rating.
(56:12):
I have one question. What happened to the Thai ship?
That was the only thing after you see it.
What happened to it after that? I mean, Cassian, you know, goes
goes the town basically through,you know, the Mina Rao rescues
(56:32):
Bix and then, yeah, I mean, I assume he eventually delivers it
to whoever, to Lieutenant or, you know, wherever it was going
to. Go OK that that would be my only
thing is what happened to to thethe tie.
The whole point was he was acquiring it for the rebellion
and I'm, I'm assuming he, you know, even though the middle man
(56:54):
got removed, I'm assuming he found a way to deliver.
OK, All right. I'm good.
I I have nothing more to say after after that, after that
one, after the last thing we talked about, I'm done.
I'm up for a rating. Well, I guess let's let's do it.
Should we just rapid fire like rate?
But I think I think we should still rate the episodes on their
(57:16):
own. But we can at least no or or we
can call out the. I I think it's a reasonable
request that I I expect it to bedifficult, yes.
Well then, William, why don't you go first?
OK, of course you did. Of course you did.
(57:39):
Let's see. So I think the first overall, I
thought the first the the the three episode arc was was
really, really well done. The first two episodes.
Well, the beginning of the firstepisode, amazing.
The rest of it was kind of setting things up.
I, I liked some of the wedding stuff.
I liked the, but it really builds up in episode.
(58:02):
The third episode is really where it like reaches the
crescendo and I think really is the most exciting at that point.
Everything is kind of, I guess it's almost unfair to rate it
'cause it's like kind of building up to, to, to it in
many ways. But man, I think the third
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episode I'd give like a 9.5. It was just phenomenal.
Loved it the first two. I think the the sequence on
given 4 unfortunately kind of lowers it just a little bit for
me. Even though I liked the themes
they were going for, I think theexecution was not as much my
favorite and kind of setting things up.
(58:44):
I don't know, I, I think maybe I'd give the first episode
episode 13 and 8 and then the second one an 8.5 and then a, a
9.5 S 88.5 and, and 9.5. And these, these womp rats are.
Oh, I hadn't thought about it. You know, it actually makes a
(59:08):
lot of sense when you, when you realize why Cassian couldn't fly
the Thai Avenger. That's because he was taught by,
by a, a team of womp rats. And so of course they're gonna,
they're gonna train him poorly. So that's what they're doing
that that my team of what is it,nine and a half, 8 1/2, that's
like 1826 womp rats or takes 26 womp rats to try to train
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Cassian on a Thai Avenger. Tom, what would you do?
OK, this is hard because you're doing each of the episodes.
The first episode I'm going to give an 8.5.
I do really, really appreciate it and love that whole tie
(59:53):
sequence, but I think from that point it kind of got a little
slower because of the the the rebels on the planet.
The next episode I'm going to give it an 8.5 and then the last
episode, OK, hell, I'm going to give it a 9.5.
Yeah, oops, sorry. So.
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I, I enjoyed these episodes all the way.
I think the best thing about it is with all three episodes, it
is laying the groundwork for what's to come.
And again, the writing is just strong though my womp rats and
I'm not going to try and total it up because of the point
fives. We'll just figure it out.
There's a boatload of womp rats.They actually when it came to
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the wedding on Chandrila, well, the one thing you didn't see and
they cut away really quick. They basically went in and kind
of took over the party and they kind of chased everybody out
because all of a sudden they realize that there are rodents
in the building. Everybody scattered.
So, you know, they, they, they kind of had their own party
after everybody left, though. Sounds wonderful.
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Yeah, you know, they, they had to do something because it
appeared that, you know, the theone kid really didn't think, I'm
sorry, but that kid just had no desire to be married anyway.
But hey, somebody had to throw the party and they forget and
I'm done. Steven, what are you up to?
What do you What do you do to your rating?
I'm having such a hard time withthis.
I think I'm gonna also do 8 1/2 for the first episode.
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It's just hard not to love the Thai Avenger.
Like that opening sequence. You know, the first episode is
what, like 60 minutes? It was something, it was long
and those first like 10 minutes just carried me through.
But a nap for the first one. Second episode, I think I'll
give an 8, also incredibly solid.
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And then, yeah, I'll also do a nine for the final episode.
I throughout my episode, throughout all three episodes,
you know, Luthen's kind of assistant is working to try and
get communications going throughout the Galaxy, try and
figure out so why she leaves Gandrilla's 'cause she can't get
comms there. She's actually working with, oh,
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now I have to do math 17/20/25, No 26, whatever, how out of my
scores. I was just trying to get comms
back. And it's only when she's back to
Corson that she's really able toget it going.
I I would have done something with a Thai Avenger, but someone
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already did a Thai Avenger. I mean it's, it's the curse,
right? You either go first in ratings
and get the best use of your womp rats or you go last.
That's how you got it. Yeah, you get the leftovers.
Yeah. Just such a phenomenal, like
just overall the the opening 3 episodes are just phenomenal.
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Like William, you mentioned the writing.
I will just it. It blows my mind going like just
starting Andor, watching it and being like, Oh, right, this
dialogue is phenomenal just throughout.
I don't understand, like how we didn't like why it took it.
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It it only happens in this show.Like I assume it's a Tony Gilroy
thing, but like just they did phenomenal.
That's all that's all there is to it.
It is phenomenal and you know, no, no notes.
Yeah, no, it's just so great. And I I can't wait to discuss
the rest of the season with you guys because it's going to get
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it's it's, it's great, it's great.
I can't say, can't say anything anything, but it is it it
continues this phenomenal trend.So.
It it's hard to believe that with these three episodes, the
strong writing from these three,how much stronger it could get
with the next ones. Yeah.
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That's that's the thing where it's like the bar for these
three episodes really were set high and it's just like what's
to come. Wow, it's it's so much fun to
look forward to. Yeah, it really is.
So yeah, I guess that's that will wrap up our our review of
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the first trilogy of Andor Season 2.
Unfortunately they they, they didn't give us the episode
titles. So we actually don't know what
the episodes are actually even called, but we do know they are
the first 3 episodes of Andor Season 3.
And yeah, I next week we get another three episodes, three
more the week after, three more the week after, and that's going
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to be the whole season. So it's a really quick season 2,
but it's just so cool to have somuch Star Wars to enjoy.
So we're going to be here reviewing it right alongside you
guys this season, and I can't wait to hear what you all think.
So with that, Tom, Steven, I guess that wraps us up today.
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Welcome to the Iron Cannon podcast.
I'm one of your hosts, Steven. I'm joined by my friends and Co
host Tom and William. No, no pun today I am just very,
very, very, very, very excited. Oh, we are talking about Andor
season 2. Heck yeah, we are.
I'm so excited to be talking about Andor.
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Tom, I know you and of course, Steven.
We've all been so excited for this and it's finally here and
we're going to get basically a Star Wars mini movie every week
for the next couple weeks, for the next 3-4 weeks, right?
Yeah, for the next 4 weeks, 3/3.Three calendar weeks, but yeah,
four, I guess 4 calendar weeks, 321 days, I guess it'll take 20.
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Two days. However it works out exactly.
We're getting a mini movie everyother every week.
A mini movie. Exactly.
It's great. I am so excited to be here with
you guys. I guess I think we should just
let's dive into it, right? The, the, I guess we should note
we are recording this in advance.
Lucasfilm has kind enough to send us screeners of the first
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actually the whole season 2. We will not be discussing
anything that happens outside ofthis arc.
So to make sure we preserve the experience for everyone, we do
not want any spoilers. So we won't be discussing what
happens in the future. But yeah, we're, I'm excited to
to dive in. So Tom, you want to give
everyone a quick rundown of the first arc of Andor Season 2?
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Yes, I can, because we're going to be discussing Andor Season 2
now. The first 3 episodes you're
going to be watching takes placefour years before the Battle of
Yavin. These three episodes was
directed by Ariel Kleiman and they're written by Tony Gilroy,
and the synopsis is going to be basically overreaching for the
whole series. But second season takes place as
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the horizon of war draws near and Cassian becomes a key player
in the rebel alliance. Everyone will be tested as the
stakes rise, the betrayals happen, sacrifices and
conflicting agendas will become profound.
The day we're discussing those first 3 episodes and I'm telling
you, it kicks off fairly well. I I, I, I liked how it just
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kicked off, but it just, you just went right into the show.
So I think we have to throw it to Steven as our as our, as our
resident ship expert here because.
That's why I didn't go any further.
When I watched this this openingI I instantly thought of you.
Thank you. Yeah, that's why I didn't go any
further. Steven, I wanted you to bring
this up. Well, I appreciate you bringing
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it up, Tom. No, this entire opening sequence
is just phenomenal. We get the tie adventure or
Avenger. Sorry if I pronunciate my words
correctly. From Star Wars.
TIE Fighter, the video yeah yeah, famous of yes from the TIE
Fighter series. I maybe this says something
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about me. I was giddy the moment Steinar
came up on the screen, but just the the entire opening sequence
is phenomenal. Actually.
The thing I feel like you both will appreciate this.
The thing I was reminded of is you're familiar both with the
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Millennium Falcon ride at. Disneyland, right?
Yeah. And have you ever?
Have you ever had that experience where you're not the
pilot and it For those who don'tknow, there there's six
positions, 2 pilots, 2 Gunners, 2 engineers.
The pilots one goes left right and the other goes up down and
the up down is inverted. So you push the joystick forward
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to go down, and you pull it backto go up, which is normal.
Good catch, Steven, Good catch. It's a normal flight stick and
the only thing I could think of through this entire opening
sequence is like, Oh my God, it's a child who's piled in
loading Falcon. They can't figure out up is down
and down is up. And.
He's he is just throwing, throwing the ship into the
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ground. He wasn't.
Trained for this ship, Steven. No, he was not.
I actually. Really.
Appreciate it that they flag that later as just like a one
off, like I mean, it's won't be a surprise and or is phenomenal.
Like these first 3 episodes werefantastic and like that little
bit of detail, just like the writing throughout like that was
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A to me. It was a perfect example of
like, Oh yeah, they, they know exactly what they're doing.
It's such a cool ship too. Like it, it, the, the cockpit
is, you know, typically in Star Wars, all the UI is very retro,
you know, 70s and like this, youknow, you, you're seeing the
other ships popping up on the screen and it's like, you know,
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target target locking on, you know, like the, the rocket
trooper in the, in the, in the hangar.
It, it like, and you're seeing it on the glass.
Basically, it, it, it's cool. It is super cool.
The Thai Avengers. Awesome.
Well, just the whole control of it.
Tory had the throttles on the one side and the other side
basically was his stick. That was also the guns.
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And it was fun to see him try and figure out how the whole
thing worked because as you said, and it did come up, he was
not trained for this. Yeah.
And to watch him figure that whole thing out in in real time
was a lot of fun to watch. Same time taking out all Yeah.
And taking out all those stormtroopers were great.
It's so good. It's a honestly, it's a
hilarious sequence, but it also just, it kicks off the season so
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well. I I just, I was, I was on the
edge of my seat watching this. I was like, yes, I can't wait.
Did you say the season started with a bang?
Yes, like 10 out of 10 opening for the season, right.
And it and it starts with, as Steven, you were, you're
starting to say like you're on it says Synar.
And I actually went wondering, is it cause typically Synar is
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well, Synar fleet systems is thename of like the company that
makes the tie fighters and of course the race.
Synar is the owner, but to my knowledge Synar is not the name
of the planet, but typically those those title cards are for
planets. I'm trying to recall because
doesn't it say like Synar and then it had like a?
Mid RIM, I think, I think it's ayeah or or no.
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Synar's Fleet Systems Test Facility 73, which was what it
said. Yeah.
And that that's how I read it isit's not literally the the
system of Synar, but it was justSynar test facility number,
whatever. That's where I assumption that's
what I read it too, yeah. Either way, it's so cool to see
sign R and and to see the tech who's like getting the ship
ready and you don't really know what's going on at first, but it
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turns out she's actually a rebelspy and she's getting it ready
for Cassian to steal. And they're like, you know,
made-up a hole. He's he's already infiltrated as
a as a test pilot and he as soonas she gets the ship ready, he
goes out and he takes it and well, attempts to fly off, but
really just banks the ship all around the all around the the
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hanger and until he could blow ahole in the door.
It's it's great. It could.
Not that ship really. That ship took a real beating
before it left the hanger. Oh, yeah, I don't know.
I just, I. It was such a great opening.
Yeah, I'll just. Add as a like our challenge
through all this is by the way, we have to review 3 episodes and
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kind of the whole time we do 1 episode.
But the last thing I'll say about the Thai adventure is I
appreciate it that the ship as awhole really to me felt like it
was they were trying to showcaselike it, it was a test ship,
basically. Like it, it's experimental
controls. It's an experimental ship.
The weapon loadout felt experimental.
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You know, that that is not normal TIE fighter usage.
Just the really cool detail threat, Yeah.
For sure, and I realized we werewe were actually going to
originally. We plan on starting with like a
quick recap of where everyone isin the last year since and or
season 1 ended, at least in universe.
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And we we were so excited about the the Thai adventure.
We just jumped right into the beginning.
But I I think it's worth callingout, you know, since we last saw
all of all of, you know, Cassianand his friends.
Cassian is now, as clearly we can see from this opening
sequence, fully integrated into Lutheran Rails Rebellion.
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He's doing missions. Yeah.
I think Candor is always kind ofbilled as a spy show.
And Season 1 was more about how Cassian joins the fight.
Now he's in it. And Season 2 really is more of
that that spy show in many ways.I know we'd also talked about
like, what are they going to do with Bix and Brazo and B2 EMO
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like we'd speculated last last season.
Are they done right? It's just they they go off and
they go hide on some moon and isthat it?
And but no, no, they're they're still around.
They're living on a new planet, Mina Rao.
And it's not Dantowine and it's not lethal.
It's it's a new planet. We were, we were wrong.
We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll do that.
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Caston's even in a in a relationship with Bix now a very
committed relationship and, you know, Brasso and Willman have
their their relationships as well.
Mon Mothma and Perrin are preparing for their daughter
Lita's wedding to stuck in Skolden.
As we saw hinted at the last season, Velsartha is still, you
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know, around hanging out with her cousin Mon Mothma a lot more
rebel. Of course, Lutheran Rail is, you
know, leading the his faction ofthe rebels with Clea and well,
Cyril and is in a very differentplace and and Deidre.
But we'll I think we should we should talk more about them in
in a few minutes. But Cyril is now.
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At the supervisor, I cannot, I cannot wait to talk about that
one. I can't wait to talk about that
one. Oh yeah.
We don't actually see them untilthe second episode, but Cyril is
he's they're he's much happier, I guess.
I guess we'll say. They really.
Anyway, we got to continue. But but I thought they did a
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really good job of working whereall the characters are AT and
keeping them all still in the series, even though I didn't
think some of them would make itinto season 2.
They actually feature quite heavily.
So OK, so before we go, we got we have a lot to talk about
about Mina Rao and the wedding on Chandrilla and and some very
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exciting imperial stuff. But before that, let's let's at
least wrap up Cassian story because there's a few different
concurrent storylines in the first episode.
We'll still talk about it episode by episode.
A big through line through the 1st and and actually even the
second episode in this arc is Cassian's capture.
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He, he ends up taking the Thai Avenger to a jungle planet and,
and he's supposed to meet his contact Porco there, who's going
to take the Thai Avenger on and allow Cassian to go back home
to, to Mina Rao. And Porco's not there.
Instead, they find a group of soldiers led by Curtis and
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Barty. And I'll be honest, it was not
they, they end up capturing him.And personally, I think it was
not my favorite subplot 'cause it was just.
A lot of. Fighting between it was like the
one weak part of the the first arc I think.
I'd I'd have to agree with that because what kept bothering me
throughout this whole thing, you've got these two factions
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that are fighting each other, but nobody listened to and or
Cassian because Cassian, if theywould have thought about it,
would have been a natural leaderfor what they're trying to do.
But yet they had these two brothers or two factions that
were constantly fighting each other.
It's like you need to, Steven, go ahead.
I actually think you're both missing the point.
At least you, Tom. I don't know about you, William.
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OK. I think there's a very I like.
Where you're going, Steven, 'cause I agree with you.
I but I think the point of this sequence is to show Cassian his
skill set of like as a a spy forthe rebellion.
And in particular, I think what it's showing throughout is he's
if not that they're not listening to him, they are.
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And every step of this entire story is Cassian prodding them
in a way that he knows will eventually let him escape.
He. Encourages the the disagreements
between them, which prevents them from focusing on him.
He ensures that he is sent to the I don't know what you want
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to call it, like the the one that is the ship, like Porco
ship where he, you know, the plaster is.
It is all designed, I think, around Passian preparing to
escape, basically. So.
The whole time I was going to say so the whole time, and this
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is probably the one part that I did miss, that he literally was
manipulating them to his own setgoal at the end to actually plan
to get to escape and. Leave them there, it's an all
story. I I I read, I I get where you
both are coming from. I I don't know if I thought it
was the weakest or not. I found it entertaining to watch
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exactly how dumb these like soldiers were and how easily
manipulated they were. I have to agree with that part
though. Yes, I agree with that.
I will also add there, there's another element that I think was
important that they wanted to show through the storyline.
And I, I think it, it doesn't change the fact that it
personally, I thought it was still the weakest part of the,
the premiere, but. Agreed in the the. 1st 2
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episodes because the storyline really takes it place over the,
IT really is like a mini movie right?
Where we're, while we're kind ofgoing episode by episode in, in
some ways, I almost feel like wehave to talk a little about the
second piece just because it, it, it's 111 cohesive story.
We learn that first, you know, The Cave that killed Porco,
right, because Porco seemingly fought back and they, they think
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Cassian is a, they don't believethat he's a, a rebel because
he's a, he's in an imperial testpilot uniform.
But we actually learned that they they work for Maya Pay and
they're part of the Maya Pay brigade, which is another rebel
cell we actually heard about in season 1 of of Andor and.
Oh, I missed that. Not only are so they're they're
actually another rebel cell but Maya Pei died at some point
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recently and they are leaderlessand the the 2 are fighting over
who's 2 factions are fighting over who should be the leader.
Is it Bharti or is it Gerdis andCassian even says I know Maya
pay it actually took. Me a second.
To get, I missed a lot of this on the 1st viewing.
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On the second viewing, I was like, Oh my gosh.
They're actually they're anotherrebel faction that are warring
within themselves and they don'tknow the other rebel factions.
So even though Cassian knows their leader, she's dead.
And so Cassian has no way to prove that he's a a rebel.
They don't they think he's an Imperial pilot.
And I think this is really intended to both show how
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Cassian manipulates people, but also how fractured the rebel
alliance is at this point. Or, or there is no rebel
alliance, right? It's just rebel cells.
And that Maya pays brigade is iscompletely separate from in many
ways from the other cells. But even amongst themselves,
they can't agree on anything. And so, you know, it's a, it's
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a, I, I liked that piece of it. And it's a very brutal sequence.
Like we see like a someone's stump of someone's leg, you
know, in the fight, 'cause they end up shooting at each other
and trying to turn the tie Avenger to shoot, you know, each
other. And and so there was a lot of
that stuff going on. There was definitely OK.
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So my, my question in that respect, you mentioned the stump
of a person's leg. Was that one of the rebels from
either of the camps that they shot him?
Or was that supposed to be a meaning of there was something
dangerous on the planet that basically killed the person?
Because that's the one thing that kind of confused me was
that stump of the the the leg. So I, the way I read it or, or
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understood it was that it was one of the, I mean, I guess I
originally thought I was one of the people who died in the, in
the, in the gunfight. But then maybe it actually
wasn't. Because later we see that what
is it called? The, the creature had it written
down somewhere that it kind of comes out of the, oh, a doodar.
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It comes out of nowhere and it and attacks the group while
Cassian's trying to escape and giving him cover.
And it's possible that that had attacked and maybe that's why
Maya Pae died. It's never quite clear if she
died in the conflict in Porco or, or what.
But yeah, I think I think that'swhat happened.
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We also get our Star Wars Rochambeau sequence, so there's
that. Which which was really.
It's no, I yeah. That's why I just like the the
stupidity of all of these peopleis what I think made this so
enjoyable. And watching them Rochambeau it
out to figure out who's gonna bethe leader is Cassian Escapes is
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a plus. Even their names are are just
strange, right? You've got fleep, snee, snur,
crab, shambo, Oscar, Rica, Nick,Nazy, roud, tick, baso, plug,
flu and Musk like Oh, that's an odd assortment of they're
definitely an odd group for for sure.
The thing I like the most thoughwas the twist, and I know this
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is this actually happens in the second episode, but the reveal
as Cassian escapes into the ThaiAvenger and flies away that they
are on none other than Yavin 4. That's a that it was a great.
Moment that That got the audiblegasp from me.
That was that was same here. Well, and then and then now you
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look at it this way. If, if this little rebel group
never leaves Yavin 4, at least there is some rebels on that
planet that hopefully when they come back realize, Oh my God,
there's other rebel cells. They're actually on the planet.
I think they are long dead by the time.
Long dead by then. I don't.
Think he did survive? Yeah.
OK, I I was holding out some kind of hope that maybe somebody
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would be left after the Rochambeau was over with that,
you know, at least somebody would be done left there.
Yeah. Yeah.
So yeah, that that's the whole storyline on Yavin 4.
I think it's a cool way to introduce Yavin 4 and you know,
it kind of show us more about the rebels and and how Cassian
works even again, overall probably my least favorite
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storyline, but that's OK. Another big through line, which
we'll we'll talk about more as we go through the episodes.
But that's the Mina Rao we talked about how Bix and Cassian
are together now Brasso and and women both have are are in a
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relationship with have a girlfriend B2 Emo is back.
And it's just it's nice to see all these these characters
again. We also learned that Bix is
having nightmares constantly about her torture at the hands
of Doctor Gorst. And that becomes a big through
line of this arc as well and howshe tries to deal with that the
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the the ramifications of, of what she she went through and.
You know, and I think the first episode, it's really more about
in the first episodes, we're just kind of getting back to, to
know them again and seeing Bix'stroubles in the any kind of how,
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where they're living and how, you know, they, they're always
worried they might get caught 'cause they don't have visas to
stay on the planet. But when an Imperial ship
arrives in the sky, that's when things get more interesting in
the the second and third episodes.
What did you guys think of of seeing the the Ferix Friends
again? I it was only that was kind of
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fascinating because I remember feeling, I don't wanna say
ambivalent about most of the folks on Ferix, but like I
couldn't remember their names for the most part.
And they they felt much more like side characters in the kind
of original, even one, the first12 episodes, I felt like they
really started to all kind of come into their own here.
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And yeah, like it, I appreciatedthis kind of splice, splice of
life story amongst them all. And I realized I just talked
about not knowing their names. And now I'm Brasso.
That's right. I was trying to remember the
name. I, I think one of the standout
kind of scenes for me here was Brasso was talking with one of
the locals who is like sheltering them, the the man
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that is helping shelter them andI.
Know the one you're talking about?
Yeah. And there's just a great lion
where he's like, I can't believethe Empire's doing this.
Like, This is why, why are, why are people not more upset?
And Brass was like, yeah, 'causethey're doing it everywhere.
It's not, it's not a here thing.It is that similar to what we
saw in Season 1, that slow burn of like, Yep, the Empire's just
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squeeze in a little bit all overthe place.
And now we we know how it's gonna go.
Yeah, yeah. And, and I don't know,
originally we were going to do episode by episode, but maybe it
makes sense just to talk throughit all this whole.
I think we should now. I think we should, it makes it
easier. Yeah, for sure, for sure.
And so, you know, that's the first episode.
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We're just kind of getting back into these characters again and
getting used to them. In the second episode, that's
when The Imperials start doing an audit of the planet.
And I mean, that's a huge undertaking, but they basically,
they go sector by sector and start making sure they're
getting, you know, the, the, thegrain and, and, and making sure
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everyone there is, is allowed tobe on the planet.
And there's a local family, Kellen and Anna and their
daughter Bila, who who try to help Bix and, and Brasso stay
under the, the imperial radar. But the, the I like how you, you
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just get that tension of, of theempire's getting closer.
They're getting closer, they're getting closer throughout the
the 2nd and then ultimately the third episodes and how they
start shutting down the communications.
I, I thought that that storylinewas, was really well done.
Yeah, I agree. Until the empire finally arrives
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and, you know, we see that they're really happy on on Mina
Rao and and, and then the empirecomes and everything just
unfortunately, just just just gets completely, completely
destroyed. And and not for not like there's
some damage, but I mean just more like their, their, their,
their life there. You know, despite the emergency
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work order that they get, they to try to like see if they can
escape in time. Wellman, he goes off and, and,
and leaves his speeder at the atthe little shop while he's
having a a moment with his with,with Bela.
And of course, that's when the empire chooses to arrive and
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Willman speeder is, is no longerthere, still out in front of the
shop. And they they realize he's
there. And by the time Brasso gets back
to to Willman to try to rescue him, things just start going
very, very, very wrong. And I think the worst one out of
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all the characters was Bix. That was the one that that was.
That was one of those things in which you have an Imperial
officer who feels they have morepower than they actually have
and tries to use it to their advantage.
And I have to say, it was, it was uncomfortable to watch, but
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it was really, it was hard to watch.
But it was really nice to see him get his comeuppance when it
was all said and done. Yes, period.
Something we haven't seen in Star Wars before at.
All no, no, not at all. And and it's it's one of those
things in which it's it's shocking, but it wasn't it
didn't go too far. It went far enough, but I just.
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Yeah. I mean, I it it, it, it was,
yeah. But then also, yes.
And that that that was exactly it.
But also it is that other thing that when you look at Bix
overall, not only is she had to deal with what her torture went
through, but now she's got this.And it shows that Bix has a lot
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of growth to do. And let's see what happens in
the next episode. Maybe it makes her stronger
going forward. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very, very
hard to watch. It was good to see Vicks finally
take out Lieutenant Kroll, though, even though it's, you
know, it's not the easiest shooting someone.
I think it's probably the first time she's had to kill anyone.
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But he he definitely deserved itfor what he was trying to do.
He deserved it. Yeah.
And of course, Cassian arrives just in time and and takes out
the other the other Imperial office.
There there Sergeant Stang and is it is there to rescue Bix,
but unfortunately, poor Brasso. He he he rescues woman, but he
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ends up dying. I was I I know you mentioned
Steven that you hadn't quite grown attached to the characters
by the end of season 1. I I I really like Brasso and B2
emo. And and.
And Bix not less so Willman, but.
He is 1. Brasso is the one I I think I
was most attached to. And yeah, this this is the one
that hurt. Like I thought he was gonna make
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it. And then and.
It happens off screen too. He's just you think everyone
escaped and Nope, his he's he was shot on his speeder.
It's it's heartbreaking, it's brutal.
It's so. Sad.
Sadly deadly. That's what happens.
You're gonna be losing people along the way during a rebellion
like that. And with The Imperials involved,
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they don't care. They will just if you're
running, they will just shoot. Though it's, it's sad to see
Bosso go, but I just feel that in some cases to wrap up
storylines and not let things hang, This was not a way to wrap
it up. But well, I, I, I don't know
what else I mean. And I mean, Tony Gilroy has
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previously talked about how originally the outline was for
five seasons of the show. So these.
These four. Episodes would have each been a
whole season of of content originally as planned and they
decided, no, we're going to wrapit up in one season.
And it's it's too big of a show to try to do for that long.
Well, I think the other thing hementioned, the other thing he
mentioned within that interview that Cassie and or actor would
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not age wise work because he yeah, it just, they had to do it
this way to make it. David Luna would have been too
old by the time it actually got up to the timeline of Rogue One.
So that's why they had to condense it.
Yep, but so it makes sense that you know, like it was, even
though it's sad to see Brasso go, it makes sense why they they
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had to do it because they have to get Cassie into the point
where he is in in rogue one, at least B2 emo.
He gets to he gets to live. He he he stays with Talia on
Mina Rao and and woman Man, thatkid sticks around.
I don't know how he continues tosurvive, but he does.
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I think you have this like overall in a relatively small
role in season 1. I'll compare it to the other his
other. That, that's very true.
Yeah, that's very true. Yeah, so and of course seeing
again the tie, the tie Avenger blast to the grain silos and
everything else was just, it's cool.
It's it's very, very cool. So yeah, I I liked this
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storyline quite a bit. It I think in the 1st 2
episodes, it kind of it's a slowburn at 1st and really builds up
in the in the third episode intothat, that crescendo.
And I think the same is true of the the wedding, right?
We we we see in season 1 take take Homa helps Mon Mothma hide
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her money that she was, you know, funneling to the rebels by
bringing in Davos Golden, the somewhat not so reputable
businessman who can help hide the funds.
He's kind of a gangster. And in return, he just asked for
an introduction between Mon Mothma's daughter Lena and his
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son Stekin. And of course, as we saw in
season 1, Lena is very much she's very much wanting to
follow along with the Chandrillin customs, which is
like getting married early. And and so she's like, Yep, I
want to marry Stekin. And so we see that in season 1
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for the entire entirety of this first arc, the wedding covers.
What did you guys think of of seeing the Chandrillin wedding?
I'll start with you, Steven. I.
Mean it's one of those things where I appreciate the amount of
world building that went into Chandrilla, everything from the
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architecture to like the weddingceremonies to, you know, the
ceremonial hikes. Like that was the thing I think
I took away from this more than anything was just how deep they
built up, built up that world. And then the the overlapping of
that with, you know, Mon Mothma working through her, her
rebellion I thought was phenomenal.
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Is did such a good job of bringing it all together.
I I liked when you had Val and Mon sit there going back and
forth about was this the right thing for the kids?
And it seemed like when it came to Mothma and Val, they didn't
like this whole thing about the arranged marriage.
And I think Mon Mon, you could so tell wasn't like it didn't
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like it. And even Val just had the whole
thing about, you know, this is all wrong.
And then when you're watching the the betrothed new husband,
he looked like he really didn't care about the whole thing.
No, I mean he even. Complaints about him saying he's
a. Childish and.
Doesn't want to hold her hand and all this stuff like.
And yet. And the look on his face and
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it's just so bland. It's like, oh hum, I mean, who
cares? This is gonna happen.
Every time they cut to him, I laugh pretty hard.
'Cause yes, yes. And she is just the the one that
got me. And I hope I'm not going to jump
so far ahead on this one. And it it isn't within these
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three episodes is where Mon is sitting there talking to her
daughter going, look, when I wasin your position, my mother was
drunk at the time, OK. And and Mon sat there and said
her feeling about this whole thing.
And I really don't agree. And blah, blah, blah.
I hope you're making the right choice and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah. And the daughter just listened
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to all this and just turns her and say, does I wish you were
drunk? I mean, talk about the talk
about the biggest into your. Face it, just.
Hurt. To watch.
Oh my God, did that hurt. Yeah, I mean, and it's one of
those things you, you kind of get it, like you said, William.
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Like you can see the distance between Mon Mothma and both her
husband and you know, watch watching her balance throughout
throughout these three episodes.This arc the wedding is just
phenomenal. And we'll get the.
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Luthen's role as well in. A moment.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I I want it.
Can can I jump one more thing onon Taman?
But I think for me was her breaking point was when the
whole ceremony was over and the party began and you just see her
start drinking and then she juststarts dancing like I have just.
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Yeah, and that's for. Multiple reasons too, right?
Yeah, it's no, but but I but butthat to me was like, and yes,
we're going to get to the other multiple reasons, but you're
watching all this and it's just like, oh God, Gus.
Yeah, it's a great excuse also having this wedding to bring in
so many other people into one place, right.
(34:00):
Like not only do we have. And make it uncomfortable.
Parent and and Davos Golden exactly, but also like Val
Sartha man's cousin Tay Colma, who you mentioned.
We'll, we'll talk more about himin just a minute.
And it, it's just, it's cool to have everyone there to like to
see Lutheran, for example, and Clea right next to Tay Colma and
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Davos Golden all in the same room is just it, it makes for
some great drama. And they only ramp it up through
these first 3 episodes. You know, like at first Lutheran
and and Claire, they're there atthe, at the, the, as the guests
of Davos Scolden because he buys, you know, antiques from,
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from Lutheran. And you know, in this case, he's
brought a very, very expensive Shandy Merle to as a as a as a
wedding gift, which I have to say, I Steven texted me as well.
When when you got to this point just hearing like the the
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reference to the the Ricotten invaders.
Oh, I just, it's everything thatfeeds my heart, you know these.
I think it was 12 statues, something like, or maybe it was
yeah, 12 something like. Yeah, that had been lost during
the Rakatan invasion or whatever.
They kind of just like this that.
Yes, thank you. Please now give me the Kirkcore
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movie. But you know.
Exactly, I'm pretty sure they mentioned the the ricotta in
season 1 as well. But I'm like yes, please just
keep keep those Kotar referencesgoing.
You know it's. Similar to anytime we see
Luthan's Luthan's shop, I feel like they're trying to hide as
many Easter eggs as they can in it.
Yes. Yes, I agree.
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It it grounds it in, you know, the history of the Galaxy in
just a phenomenal way. For sure, And so it's still cool
to see Luther in there. But then we also start to get
this, you know, I, I really liketake Holma in, in season 1.
I thought he was great. Kind of reminds me of Chancellor
Valorem a little bit. I, I, I like him a lot.
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And in season 2 we start to findout that he's, he's not in a
good place, right? It's been it's been a year and
he is he's now like he and his wife have gotten a divorce.
In fact, it's it's kind of funnyto hear Luther, not Lutheran
Perrin later making jokes about take home and being Mon Mothma's
(36:35):
boyfriend lover to her face, which I don't know if we ever if
she ever acted on it. But like she and Perrin are
definitely not having the the not the closest relationship and
she definitely values her friendship with her childhood
friend Tay. But as we go through the arc, we
start to learn that he's not very happy.
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And Mon's been kind of brushing him off because he's been busy.
She's been busy and he he helpedher hide all the funds for the
rebels. But as a result of helping her,
his business dealings have actually been negatively
impacted by the rebel activity. And he feels like he's actually
kind of got the short end of thestick here.
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And it, the tension kind of builds through the episode.
And Luthan's watching from afar as Mon and and Tay have these
conversations. And eventually it kind of comes
to a head where take home doesn't flat out say, I, I need
you to to compensate me for my losses.
But Mon Mothma gets the message.She gets the message that she
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needs to pay him. And she's like, I got I'll, I'll
figure out a number next week, You know, we'll, we'll chat and
we'll figure out a number to payhim.
And Lutheran is not, not confident, I guess.
Tom, what, what did you think ofthis, this whole sequence?
And what were your thoughts whenLutheran takes steps?
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Yeah, you knew. You knew something was wrong
when Bal's girlfriend shows up as the limousine driver or or
for God. Cinta shows up.
It's. Like, that's what I meant.
I want to say Cinta. Cinta shows up out of nowhere.
Cinta shows up and you're you'resitting just going, yeah, this
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is not going to end well, you know, which is pretty sad
because, you know, here you havea guy who was actually helping
the rebellion. OK?
There's no way you could just cut the guy a little bit of
slack and, and helped him along the way instead of helping him
along the way. So I just, but it also shows
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that for Lutheran, I think it goes back to the speech he gave
on Coruscant to where he's sacrificing everything,
sacrifice everything. And, and it's, it's for the
rebellion. He, he will do what he must for
the rebellion. And if that means taking out a
friend, he'll take out a friend,or he'll take out somebody who's
going to get in the way. Yeah, Steven, your your thoughts
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on the, as far as we can tell, the demise of good all take
Homa. Yeah, I mean, it's expected.
I think I've really enjoyed Maybe This is Bad.
I really enjoyed watching Lutheran go to work.
(39:32):
Yep. Like there?
Sorry, there's no room. The thing I'm I'm in some ways
most interested by is watching Mon Mothma, I think continue to
grapple with what this mean, what all this means basically to
be to lead the rebellion, to tryand pull it together.
This felt like maybe one of the first times that she'd really
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been kind of pulled into it, youknow, like, or maybe not pulled
into it, but like, personally affected by personally.
Yeah, yeah. 'Cause all.
The like all the other stuff. She she cares about what's
happening in the Galaxy, but she's not personally hurt by it
at all. Yeah.
This this was a direct. Yeah, I mean, the closest would
be like, oh, she's friends with Padme and Padme dies, but like,
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that is like kind of a stretch compared to, you know, her
childhood best friend getting murdered for her 'cause that's
like. It's it's at this point implied
because all he does is get into a limousine with center driving.
You have no idea at this point what happens to him.
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I mean, I think. It's pretty, Dad.
It's. Pretty.
I know. I I hit the I Yeah, I'm sorry.
I thought the same thing. OK, but but you you you got it
at this point. It's it's an implied at this
point. Happens off screen, but like
oof, that's and you know, like. You see?
The the the moment Genevieve O'Reilly does a phenomenal job
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and and you know, Stalin, Skarsgard both do a phenomenal
job. When Lutheran tells Mon Mothma
that you know, he implies that Tay's got to die and you see
just like her face fall and she knows she can't do anything.
And and it it's what leads it directly to that that drinking
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and you. Know her daughter is marrying
someone terrible and and and flat out telling her she wishes
she you know her mother was drunk instead of telling giving
her the advice not to marry him her best friend is getting is is
going to be killed off for. The.
Rebellion because he's just getting a little too disgruntled
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and getting a little too close to Davos Golden.
And yeah, that's when she has that.
Her and her husband are on theirouts.
Yeah, so you got that one? It's a little funny to say this
like 'cause so obviously we're recording ahead of time, 'cause
we're trying to stay on top of everything that is coming.
I'm, I'm expecting to see GIFs of the OR maybe not gifts, but
(41:59):
like parody videos or whatever you want to call it of Mon
Mothma's like hair free dancing set to different, like actual,
you know, modern pop music compared.
To that would be fun. You're probably right.
And maybe this is where maybe I will be totally wrong and none
of no one's done that. In which case, same on all of
you. You could have done better, but.
Speaking of. Can I also put the Star Wars
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disco ball right? It was.
Yeah, it. Was I agree?
Oh, that was funny. Oh, that was funny.
Fantastic. Ridiculous, but fantastic.
They brought back the. Morlana One radio mix from
season 1 as well speaking. Of one, one thing really quick.
Can I throw this out? When it comes to Lutheran's
character, the East, it's going cut.
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Gausgaard, sorry, can go in and out between him being the
antiquity, an antiquity buyer tobeing a rebel leader is just so
astounding to watch. He's how he can just go back and
forth between the two with ease.Yeah, I love his.
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It's incredible. I love him.
Oh, God, he's so good. Yeah.
It's it's phenomenal. I got kid.
Yeah, it's great. It is great.
Speaking of of great stuff we get to see flipping over from
the from the rebels to the empire, good old director or
(43:26):
synchronic from Rogue One and he's back.
We knew it. We saw in previews, but he he
plays a decent decently sized role in, in the in the season
and particularly the premiere, where when he assembles a top
secret team of the empire's brightest minds in the Malfean
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divide. And it it's so cool to see
chronic again, but basically thewhole point of the secret
meeting and it's top secret. Like it's like if your if your
bosses know you're here, they'renot They're not.
I keep want to say tented. That's the term we use at work.
But like, if you're not, yeah, you know, if you're not in the
room, you don't know. Not even, not even Governor
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Tarkin and Colonel Yularn know about this until the Emperor
will personally tell them. But they're there to figure out
how to manage the problem of theplanet Gorman.
Because Gorman they're a fashionplanet, kind of like Paris or
Milan, known for their they're they're beautiful clothing made
(44:34):
from Gorman twill, which is consists of like this spider
silk, golectopod silk. But they also have a precious
resource needed for the Death Star, a deep substrate foliated
calkite, which is necessary for the to coat the reactor lenses
on the Death Star. They throughout, you know, the
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season. The question is, how do they
control Gorman? You know, there, there's like
theories around, oh, we can justuse the, you know, the, the
Ministry of Enlightenment to control the narrative and, and
whatnot. And they, they start
brainstorming different ways to control Gorman because if they
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extract this stuff from the planet, it's probably going to
make the planet core unstable and destroy the planet and all
800,000 Gorman's. So ultimately Deidre comes up
with the idea that credit likes the best and says that, you
know, she they need to have a the rebels.
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They need to make sure the rebels do something wrong that
the empire can use. But I want I want to get your
thoughts, Steven, what do you think of this whole sequence and
the plot to control Gorman? It's definitely a case where you
can tell this is going to be oneof the slow burn things.
I think throughout this season we spend very little time in any
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of these sequences. But you can tell like we are, we
are building up to obviously theGorman massacre and seeing the
the beginning of it here is justkind of heartbreaking because,
you know, like I said, you know what's coming.
But right. Yeah, I mean the Gorman, for
those who don't know the Gorman massacre and we'll, we'll talk
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more about this in later episodes, but they've talked
about how the Gorman massacre will feature heavily in the
season. And it is the moment that
inspires Mon Mothma to declare the emperor, emperor evil
publicly and kind of unites, we see it in in, in Star Wars
Rebels, it it's what unites the various rebel factions together.
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And so that will be a, a, a key moment in some Season 2.
But for now, we're just startingto see the the beginnings of how
all the pieces move into place. Tom, are you starting to say?
Something it's it is that one storyline that's going to be
thread I believe throughout the whole series like you mentioned.
(47:11):
So, and I definitely agree it isa slow burn and it's fascinating
that Deirdre's involved in this.And it's always something to
where it, it seems like with her, her character, it's always
that one idea that's always thought of as like an
afterthought when a bigger idea comes up, he's the one that
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comes up. Well, how about this?
And that's the one they normallyrun with, like in this case, so.
What's interesting about her character, right, is she she's
so desperately in season 1 wanted to find Lutheran rail or
axis as the emperor empire callsthe ISP has code named him and
that's been her entire focus fora year at this point.
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But she's gotten nowhere. And when director Credit
personally asks her to lead the Gorman project, it or be well,
you know, one of the the, the core members of the Gorman
project. It is incredibly important to
the empire. And, and it kind of shows how
much director, how much trust Director Krenik has in her.
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But at the same time, to the rest of the public, it looks
like a demotion 'cause she's been pulled off of the
investigation for Axis. And you know, in the long run it
will be good. And, and major party goes is in
every scene he is in. He is just phenomenal.
And I love every line of dialogue he has, but you know,
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he tells her to be thankful because it's it will help her in
in the long run. And but in the meantime, she's
not happy to be no longer tracking down good ol axis.
But the thing I find fascinatingthis this caught me completely
off guard. What did you guys think of?
(48:59):
Yeah, here it comes. Because I'll tell you honestly,
in the first season when I thinkCyril saved Deirdre from Ferrix
from possibly getting, you know,killed, I sat there and told
myself, when they're face to face, please don't kiss it.
Please don't kiss her. Please don't kiss her.
What happens in this episode? You find out the two of them are
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now are are now a thing, which I'm like, what?
It's a great I've been. I did not expect.
That every moment they're both on screen together was just
nominal. Oh my God, yes.
The amount so the amount of discomfort you feel from.
(49:40):
Them. They constantly look
uncomfortable their clothing. Look.
Like everything, but realize, realize when they're in when
sorry, but when they're in the apartment together, she's
wearing white, he's wearing black, literally her apartment's
like all white, black and white,mostly white.
And you're watching. It's just going, Oh my freaking
(50:02):
Lord, this is just the most bizarre relationship in Star
Wars can ever come up with. But I'm sorry, it's.
So good. I love every every second of it.
Right. Like, and, you know, yeah, just
every. And the fact that like Cyril's
now he's a supervisor at the Bureau of Standards and he's
(50:23):
he's showing the new recruits how, you know, how important his
minor jobs are because you can uncover the rebel smuggling
cabal too. And then he goes home and just
has the most awkward but. Like.
Like they they both clearly are very much into each other, but
also like the most awkward moments between them.
It's it's phenomenal. And then and then, you know,
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it's hinted at in the second episode that, you know, they're
going to do something. And Cyril desperately does not
want to do this thing. And he was hoping Deidre was
gone longer so that he could getout of this.
And I had my theories. And then we get to the third
episode, and sure enough, the thing he was dreading so much
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was dinner with his mother. And oh.
My God, Didra and and Edie Karn meet and it's just, oh, it's the
entire sequence is so good. It was brilliant.
Steven, go ahead. I've talked enough.
Go ahead. I want to hear your thoughts on
this. The So I when I was texting
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William during the second episode, I sent him 2 two
things. One was ricotta and #2 I just
said fondue. And it's it's true.
The the scene where Cyril's mom is talking and dripping the
fondue all over the table. I just died.
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Cyril's just so. Uncomfortable.
Too and like it's. Beyond uncomfortable.
And then the the moment where Cyril like goes and like lays
down on the bed or whatever it is.
Like like like a like a like a defeated.
Kid so good. But then that's and then Deidre
steps in and is like I will facilitate.
(52:10):
Oh my God. That moment was in the scene
that was incredible, was just even more incredible, which is
like every different plan in mind.
And when I say the word plan, itmakes it sound optional, which
is not the impression you shouldbe taking away.
You here's the deal. I'm gonna let you see.
Your son's gonna call you. We're gonna, you're gonna, we're
gonna, he's gonna visit. And in return, you're gonna be
(52:31):
polite to him. And she just like rips her up
and down and. And I'm gonna make sure she he
calls you at least once or twiceonce once a month or or what?
I just the rules he laid down tohis mother.
I'm like, Oh my F and Lord. Oh, Sarah.
Walks back in the room and Edie's tearing too and he
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completely changes. She's so polite.
And the thing I loved about it most is like Deidre works for
the ISB. Like she doesn't take shit.
Exactly. And go ahead, finish, Finish.
No. And it, and it was you, you've
got this incredibly awkward conversation where you can tell
(53:12):
they're kind of tiptoeing and trying to figure out how to do
this. And then you, you get to realize
like, Oh no, they, they have like, maybe not, they have a
plan, but Deidre has a plan. She's applying exactly what she
does today. Right.
And and she also comes up with in that whole speech.
Well, I've looked into your Uncle Eddie or whatever it is,
and I'm telling you that. So one thing.
(53:33):
Yeah. Uncle Harlow.
And I don't think we'd really want to go there, do you?
Oh, I'm like I am dying. Because she keeps bringing up
Uncle Harlow constantly in the last.
Two weeks. And so the fact that Didra has
already looked up Uncle Harlow'srecords, like that's not a story
you want to be advertising. It's.
(53:55):
Just. So good.
This entire sequence. It's like 10 out of 10.
Pure gold. I loved it.
That, that right there, to me, is Emmy worthy.
Just that whole sequence, that whole thing, all three actors
should walk away with an Emmy because my God, it was so.
And also writing, the writing for that was incredible.
(54:17):
That acting was beautiful and even the set design in that
whole apartment made you so enthralled with what's going.
And the other thing out of all that non color, when Edie comes
walking in with all that color and just she stands out and it's
like that point is the target ofthe whole thing.
When Deirdre gets up and just lays in on her.
(54:41):
My God, what a scene. Yep, Yep, no more needs to be
said it was. Yeah, I'm done.
Mic drop. My God.
The writing on this show is so good, like Tony Goldroy is just
doing a phenomenal job. And of course the rest of the
writing team too. It's just, yeah, no notes.
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Like I loved it. What what a premiere, what a
first 3 episodes of the season. It's so good.
It's so good. The only thing, the only other
thing I think that it was like alittle, it wasn't that bad.
It was still very well done. But the tiniest disappointment
(55:25):
was that Nicholas Patel is not back to score the the second
season. He did a phenomenal job in the
first season, but Brandon Roberts is taking over the
score. And it's good, but it feels like
it reuses a lot of the same themes as as season 1 rather
than like expanding it quite as much.
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But it was still, it was still, it was still enjoyable.
But yeah, it's overall great. Great first 3 episodes.
I I just have to say. It's it's set up, it's set up
the season very well. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I don't know any other
thoughts on on on this before wewe dive into our our rating.
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I have one question. What happened to the Thai ship?
That was the only thing after you see it.
What happened to it after that? I mean, Cassian, you know, goes
goes the town basically through,you know, the Mina Rao rescues
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Bix and then, yeah, I mean, I assume he eventually delivers it
to whoever, to Lieutenant or, you know, wherever it was going
to. Go OK that that would be my only
thing is what happened to to thethe tie.
The whole point was he was acquiring it for the rebellion
and I'm, I'm assuming he, you know, even though the middle man
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got removed, I'm assuming he found a way to deliver.
OK, All right. I'm good.
I I have nothing more to say after after that, after that
one, after the last thing we talked about, I'm done.
I'm up for a rating. Well, I guess let's let's do it.
Should we just rapid fire like rate?
But I think I think we should still rate the episodes on their
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own. But we can at least no or or we
can call out the. I I think it's a reasonable
request that I I expect it to bedifficult, yes.
Well then, William, why don't you go first?
OK, of course you did. Of course you did.
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Let's see. So I think the first overall, I
thought the first the the the three episode arc was was
really, really well done. The first two episodes.
Well, the beginning of the firstepisode, amazing.
The rest of it was kind of setting things up.
I, I liked some of the wedding stuff.
I liked the, but it really builds up in episode.
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The third episode is really where it like reaches the
crescendo and I think really is the most exciting at that point.
Everything is kind of, I guess it's almost unfair to rate it
'cause it's like kind of building up to, to, to it in
many ways. But man, I think the third
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episode I'd give like a 9.5. It was just phenomenal.
Loved it the first two. I think the the sequence on
given 4 unfortunately kind of lowers it just a little bit for
me. Even though I liked the themes
they were going for, I think theexecution was not as much my
favorite and kind of setting things up.
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I don't know, I, I think maybe I'd give the first episode
episode 13 and 8 and then the second one an 8.5 and then a, a
9.5 S 88.5 and, and 9.5. And these, these womp rats are.
Oh, I hadn't thought about it. You know, it actually makes a
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lot of sense when you, when you realize why Cassian couldn't fly
the Thai Avenger. That's because he was taught by,
by a, a team of womp rats. And so of course they're gonna,
they're gonna train him poorly. So that's what they're doing
that that my team of what is it,nine and a half, 8 1/2, that's
like 1826 womp rats or takes 26 womp rats to try to train
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Cassian on a Thai Avenger. Tom, what would you do?
OK, this is hard because you're doing each of the episodes.
The first episode I'm going to give an 8.5.
I do really, really appreciate it and love that whole tie
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sequence, but I think from that point it kind of got a little
slower because of the the the rebels on the planet.
The next episode I'm going to give it an 8.5 and then the last
episode, OK, hell, I'm going to give it a 9.5.
Yeah, oops, sorry. So.
(01:00:14):
I, I enjoyed these episodes all the way.
I think the best thing about it is with all three episodes, it
is laying the groundwork for what's to come.
And again, the writing is just strong though my womp rats and
I'm not going to try and total it up because of the point
fives. We'll just figure it out.
There's a boatload of womp rats.They actually when it came to
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the wedding on Chandrila, well, the one thing you didn't see and
they cut away really quick. They basically went in and kind
of took over the party and they kind of chased everybody out
because all of a sudden they realize that there are rodents
in the building. Everybody scattered.
So, you know, they, they, they kind of had their own party
after everybody left, though. Sounds wonderful.
(01:00:59):
Yeah, you know, they, they had to do something because it
appeared that, you know, the theone kid really didn't think, I'm
sorry, but that kid just had no desire to be married anyway.
But hey, somebody had to throw the party and they forget and
I'm done. Steven, what are you up to?
What do you What do you do to your rating?
I'm having such a hard time withthis.
I think I'm gonna also do 8 1/2 for the first episode.
(01:01:23):
It's just hard not to love the Thai Avenger.
Like that opening sequence. You know, the first episode is
what, like 60 minutes? It was something, it was long
and those first like 10 minutes just carried me through.
But a nap for the first one. Second episode, I think I'll
give an 8, also incredibly solid.
(01:01:43):
And then, yeah, I'll also do a nine for the final episode.
I throughout my episode, throughout all three episodes,
you know, Luthen's kind of assistant is working to try and
get communications going throughout the Galaxy, try and
figure out so why she leaves Gandrilla's 'cause she can't get
comms there. She's actually working with, oh,
(01:02:03):
now I have to do math 17/20/25, No 26, whatever, how out of my
scores. I was just trying to get comms
back. And it's only when she's back to
Corson that she's really able toget it going.
I I would have done something with a Thai Avenger, but someone
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already did a Thai Avenger. I mean it's, it's the curse,
right? You either go first in ratings
and get the best use of your womp rats or you go last.
That's how you got it. Yeah, you get the leftovers.
Yeah. Just such a phenomenal, like
just overall the the opening 3 episodes are just phenomenal.
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Like William, you mentioned the writing.
I will just it. It blows my mind going like just
starting Andor, watching it and being like, Oh, right, this
dialogue is phenomenal just throughout.
I don't understand, like how we didn't like why it took it.
(01:03:06):
It it only happens in this show.Like I assume it's a Tony Gilroy
thing, but like just they did phenomenal.
That's all that's all there is to it.
It is phenomenal and you know, no, no notes.
Yeah, no, it's just so great. And I I can't wait to discuss
the rest of the season with you guys because it's going to get
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it's it's, it's great, it's great.
I can't say, can't say anything anything, but it is it it
continues this phenomenal trend.So.
It it's hard to believe that with these three episodes, the
strong writing from these three,how much stronger it could get
with the next ones. Yeah.
(01:03:49):
That's that's the thing where it's like the bar for these
three episodes really were set high and it's just like what's
to come. Wow, it's it's so much fun to
look forward to. Yeah, it really is.
So yeah, I guess that's that will wrap up our our review of
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the first trilogy of Andor Season 2.
Unfortunately they they, they didn't give us the episode
titles. So we actually don't know what
the episodes are actually even called, but we do know they are
the first 3 episodes of Andor Season 3.
And yeah, I next week we get another three episodes, three
more the week after, three more the week after, and that's going
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to be the whole season. So it's a really quick season 2,
but it's just so cool to have somuch Star Wars to enjoy.
So we're going to be here reviewing it right alongside you
guys this season, and I can't wait to hear what you all think.
So with that, Tom, Steven, I guess that wraps us up today.
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We will. We'll see you guys next week for
the 4th 2nd trilogy of Pandora'sSeason 2.
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