April 29, 2025 • 67 mins
Join Tom, Stephen, and William as they review the second three-episode arc of Andor Season 2.
The situation on Ghorman begins to escalate.
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Hey laser clickers. Welcome to the Iron Cannon
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podcast. I'm one of your hosts Steven and
I'm joined by my friends and Co host Tom and William, and we are
getting ready to talk about the second arc of season 2 of
Andores. So that's what episodes 1617 and
18 I believe. So these episodes were directed
by Ariel Kleinman and written byBo Willem.
In this series of episodes, the situation on Gorman begins to
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escalate. But now we're starting to see
Gorman play out within the Star Wars universe.
Yeah, we Fascinating. Let's see this.
Yeah, I mean we we we hear aboutit in the first arc right but
now this season this this this arc jumps ahead another year to
three BBY and we we actually getto see the planet Gorman for the
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first time. Before we go that though, let I
want I think maybe let's let's start with talking with Andor
and with about Cassian and and Bix, because you know, they're I
feel like their story's a littlebit slower in the first episode,
especially Bix's right. She spends a lot of time in this
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arc, and admittedly, probably even in this as right in this
episode and even in the arc, just kind of still trying to
deal with the ramifications of her torture at the hands of
Doctor Gorst. And she's like, is she like
she's in kind of a bad state? Is she?
It almost looks like she's, she's drinking something out of
a vial. Like is it a death stick?
I'm not really, I'm not really sure what's going on, but it's
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it's not, it's not good. No, and and it's really sad to
see her that way because Bix wassuch a strong character in the
first season and to see this kind of darkness all over her.
Just just, it is heartbreaking to see this and you're really
rooting for her to just come outof it because I mean, I, I just
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it, it's very hard to watch this.
Really, really hard to watch herdo this.
He tries, though, I mean, sporadically, you see her kind
of come out of it. When her and Cassian went to go
shopping, he had that kind of, you know, fun about her when
they are in the apartment and I think they were cooking.
He had that kind of thing about her.
But because of all that torture she went through having a very
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hard time sleeping, and because of this little vial that she's
taking, it kind of helps her sleep, but it doesn't appear to
be working well for her. Yeah, I mean, she's, you know,
like you said, she starts to kind of feel there's, there's
moments where you can see maybe she's she's not quite as as
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struggling as much. But then I think it doesn't
really help that Cassie is so afraid of being found out 'cause
they're now living on Coruscant in a, in a safe house that, you
know, they can't even go to a bodega or a park without fear of
being identified. And and and and that probably
doesn't really help either. Now he he is, he's struggling
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with being on course on it. He's really struggling and
being, I would say like overprotective of Vicks
throughout this arc and just, it's, it's a hard balance, you
know, like you, you want to protect or he wants to protect
her, but he also is unable to kind of do so.
It's yeah, it's kind of heartbreaking to watch this kind
of play out over the the space of these episodes.
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I mean, even in the second episode, right, Lutheran comes
by and he he at first wants to ask Bix for help.
And when he sees how she's doing, he kind of changed his
mind. Like, Nah, I'm not going to.
I'm not going to ask you. And there's this moment where,
you know, Bix admits she thinks Cassie doesn't think she's
strong enough. And I think that's partially
true, but just given how protective he is of her, but
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Lutheran also tries to reassure her that she's he knows that
she's and and Cassian knows how how strong well.
Lutheran even says that we need you strong.
We we need you to be bix. You can't, you can't be this
way. So we're looking for you to be
strong and and get over this. Yeah, I I think the nice thing
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though is we do see, you know, as we approach the and get into
the the third episode in the arc, you know, she once Lutheran
approaches her and and Cassian is like furious that Lutheran
approached her, you know, without him knowing and never,
never admits that he he went to go see her.
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He, she, she basically kind of decides that no, I, I need to
like, I need to like get myself in a better headspace.
And she tries to like give the safe house a makeover and add
more light and plants instead ofjust being this dark, kind of
somewhat dingy safe house. And, you know, and on Coruscant
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and, and eventually they, they actually managed to figure out
that Doctor Gorst is kind of starting his, his basically
military intelligence is kind ofjealous of Doctor Gorst and what
he's been doing for the ISB. And so the Empire expanded into
a whole big program and he's moved over to a Navy facility.
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And of course, when they, the rebels learn of this, Bix goes
and infiltrates the building. And it's a great scene where she
just gives Doctor Gorst a taste of his own medicine.
Phenomenal. I was actually surprised how,
like, I was expecting this kind of trauma and Dr. Gores to like
play out throughout the season. I was really surprised we ended
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it like kind of just like that. Well, I, I think that gets back
to if you were to give it like Ithink in the spoiler free
episode, I mentioned if he were to give a couple seasons like,
or these arcs, like one more episode, maybe in this one, this
could have been like that one more episode to let it play out
just a little bit longer. Because, yeah, you could say
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this happened too quickly, but the payoff was just the best.
I don't think you could have delayed it enough to get that
same impact from the payoff, Especially when she's walking
out of the place and just shootsa guard.
I mean, as you could tell at that point, he's regained her
strength and she's regained her identity because he was able to
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face that doctor and basically give him the taste of his own
medicine. So good.
Oh yeah. Riddle is such a phenomenal
moment. Yeah well then she just like
blows it up. Also I love how like Goris just
has like Star Wars takeout dessert or something like an 0.
That was funny. That was funny.
It was like Chinese takeout. Hello.
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And then she just like, you know, turns the tables on him
and puts him in his own torture device.
And he he really deserved it. And that's kind of the the end
of Doctor Gorge and that it's really a turning point for for
Bix and, and and and her and herstate.
And I thought while yes, I agree, Steven, I thought it
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would take longer. I think it's actually good that
they expedited it as quickly as they did.
It didn't feel rushed to me. It felt.
No it didn't. I do agree and I it's one of
those things where like I I'm glad the show spends time going
fix dealing with this very clearPTSD.
I'm also glad we moved past it faster than I expected so that
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we can get into other stories, you know, with our characters,
basically. Yeah, I I agree.
Also before we talk about beforegoing to Gorman, because that's
the the big plot point here, we should also talk about saws of
partisan. So Willman, he actually, you
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know, I never, I never thought he'd have this, this much of A,
of a focus in, in season 2, but he ends up traveling to none
other than Dakar from the last Jedi.
And we were right. Remember, we speculated, I, I
speculated, hey, I think that's Dakar, the, the, the rubble base
and, or the, the, the resistancebase in the last Jedi.
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And sure enough, it was Dakar, which is super cool to see.
And I saw Guerrera's partisans are there and have a have a base
and we kind of get to see more of Saw Guerrera and I kind of
how he's willing to do anything to get what he he needs, even
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basically kidnap Will and tell him he can't leave until he
helps them steal this rhidonium.What did what did you guys think
of the the whole sequence of Sagar era throughout this this
trilogy? This oh man, maybe I'm gonna get
myself in a little trouble. This was the probably the least
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interesting thing in the entire show to me.
I didn't really care for you just said his name.
I've. Already forgotten it?
Willman, thank you. I I didn't care for Willman.
I was surprised that he came back.
His story here was like, I guessI wasn't surprised he came back,
but like, you know what I'm saying?
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I mean, in, in our season 1, he was, he was not like you got the
A level characters like Andor, Cassian, Monmouth, etcetera.
You have out like the B level, like Bix, who are certainly
important, but not the main focus of the season.
And then I'd say you have like the C level characters of like
women who are certainly a named character who have important
moments. His dad's tortured by Doctor
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Gorst, all that stuff. But like at the end of the day,
he's not even on the same level as like a Bix or Brasos.
And so I was surprised that he came back too.
And I agree with you, Steven. I it was kind of like the the
sequence on Yavin 4 for in the first arc.
I was like, it's fine. It's not my favorite.
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I also had a lot of trouble following it the first time I
watched it. I was very confused the first
time I watched it. Well, that part I, that part I
agree with when it came to the the mechanism that Willem was
trying to explain to the guy whoended up.
That was about the only thing about the episode.
Or this part about Saud Guerrerothat was fascinating about it,
was that you've got one that he was not going to return.
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He had to train Willem, had to train this other guy to do this
thing #1 why? OK, But it also seemed Saud did
it to set up the other guy because it turned out the other
guy was an imperial spy and Saw played him, played both Willem
and this other guy played him like a flute saying OK, we're
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going to go this one place, but hey ha ha, now that this guy is
dead, the Empire is going to be at this one place where we're
going somewhere else. Now, the thing that really threw
me off was once they put this mechanism where they were
supposed to be that whole thing about the, you know, take your
mask off and drink this in. And that was bizarre.
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I just I did not understand so much of this heart.
I, I and I get that part, but itjust.
It did not make sense to me. Yeah, on the second viewing, I
understood it more, but I couldn't agree with you more,
Steve. And the first viewing, I was
like, what in the heck is going on, right?
I think at first I wasn't sure, are they building a bomb or are
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they trying to steal stuff? On the second, I was like, OK, I
clearly missed a very quick lineof dialogue where Sagarira says
they're trying to steal this rhydonium, this fuel and that.
There's like an extraction device and you have to be
careful when extracting the fuelbecause there's a wide variety
of types of pipes or mechanisms.And, and in order to tap into
these fuel lines, you have to know exactly which one you're
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going to tap into. And if you're not careful, it
could blow up because it's supervolatile, but it's also very
dangerous to breathe. Except then Saw Guerrera start
talking about how he likes the smell and, and and of of this
gas. And then when they actually go
to this planet, it's some unknown moon and he starts they
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start stealing it from the supply line.
Willman does it. He manages to tap into the line
and nobody dies. And then he takes Sauger takes
off his gas mask and starts breathing in the air like a very
crazy person and saying he enjoys the itch and the burn
and, and calls it. He calls the gas his sister,
which I mean we know his sister from the clone wars but this
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doesn't make any sense. And then he tells Willman to
take off his mask too. And then Willman starts
breathing in and his lungs are burning and he's basically
gasping and coughing on the ground with the episode ends and
I'm like why did he do this and I don't Did he die like this?
Makes sense to me. But it only shows how crazy
Sauger is. I mean, we've known.
We've known for so long. Yeah, it we've known for so
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long. He's crazy.
We know that. He doesn't trust anybody.
And we we know that he's only trusting his his group.
He doesn't trust anybody outsidethe other rebels because we all
know that within Rogue One. He thought that.
What's her name? What's going to kill him?
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OK, Nama. Mama.
No, Jen. Sorry.
Thank you. I know.
But he he thought she was there to kill him.
It's like we know Saw is crazy, this just proves this is he's
now going insane. Yeah.
Yeah, here's I think, I think they set up an issue with SAW
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and I, I actually would say it probably goes back to Rebels
would be my guess. At some point in time they
decided SAW has like 2 defining characteristics that will take
him between when we see him in Clone Wars and when we see him
in Rogue One. Number one, he's paranoid yes
and no, you know, no restrictions, you know, like
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however you want to define his like approach to the war and #2
is he is like the the breathing issues, the reason he has the
kind of machine and like all these things.
And it just leads to this weird thing where every time he shows
up, like you're trying to judge where in the timeline you are.
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And I just, I, I think it is thecause of the, the issues here.
Basically, I guess there's too much going on with him.
We don't see him enough to like let each of these like arcs
really develop that would end upwith stuff where it's like oh
Saw is both being crazy and breathing in toxic fumes for
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reasons that don't seem relevantlike.
I think the other part about it is we don't get to see him where
he gets fully developed into this.
Like whatever armor, breathing apparatus, whatever it is that
he's actually wearing, we only see it in the stages.
We don't see the actual, you know, implications that made him
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add that stuff like the breathing apparatus, we really
don't see him use that at all until Rogue One.
We see it when a certain point anyway.
But I mean I. We we never, we never see it.
I mean, I think the intention isto say this maybe is why he
needs the breathing apparatus orsomething like he's addicted to
breathing in Rhyonium. But like, yeah, why?
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Yeah, it, it doesn't I'm, you know, in our I, I think overall
the season is phenomenal and I, I loved it there this this arc
and and the Archon Yavin forwardthe 2 ones.
I was like not my favorite. And I think just the first time
I watched it, I, I thought, I wasn't sure what I thought.
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I thought did Wildman just kill himself?
I I'm not sure. The second time makes slightly
more sense slightly, but at least I understood the the
basics because I had subtitles on and I was taking notes and
and everything. But most viewers aren't going to
do that. I think that's the that's the
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the challenge. Right.
Yeah, but that's basically that's basically the Willman's
subplot. And yeah, it's I think we've
talked about probably talked about that as much as as much as
we can. Let's turn our attention to
Gorman because this to this arc had two other key plots.
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There's a lot of other pieces going on that we'll talk about
like the ISB and, and whatnot, but Gorman and of course the
Senate and I very excited to talk about the, the Mon Mothma
sequence. But Gorman is we finally see it
for the first time. And it turns out that in the
last year, Cyril has left Coruscant, moved away from
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Didra, and is now living in on Gorman, working for a field
office of the Bureau of Standards.
And his mom thinks he's been demoted, even though he runs the
whole office. And, you know, she's
disappointed that he's no longerwith Didra Miro anymore.
And the show kind of tries to set it up like, oh, they've
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broken up. But really it's all part of
their evil scheme to, to, to help have Cyril root out and,
and kind of embed himself in theGorman front, the rebels on the
planet Gorman. And so while Dedra and Cyril are
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pretending to no longer be together, they are very much
still together. And it's all part of the long
game. And even Cyril doesn't really
know the full details of Dedra'splan.
He's just working with her to try to help her.
And this dynamic is really cool.I What did you guys think of of
the planet Gorman and and Cyril and.
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I, I loved all the setup that ishappening here.
Like I said, I thought they did a phenomenal job of just putting
the pieces into place. I really actually like, hero has
been kind of like Comic Relief for a lot of like season 1 and
season 2 thus far. I mean, and I, I actually really
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like him in this role where he'sfinally doing this thing he's
been trying to do. He is undercover.
You can tell he's actually kind of good at it as well.
Like, he's, he knows his office is bugged and he's using the
conversations with his mom to, like, plant these fascinating
little, you know, pieces. Yeah, they just, they did such a
great job with it. Yeah, no, you can tell.
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Serra's loving it. It's to Tom.
Yeah, My, my, I just, The funny thing, the best thing about this
was you got to see some really good acting chops from the the
from the guy who plays Cyril, OK?
And he keeps everything straight.
And like Steven, you said, he knows he's bugged and he's
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playing it very well. I just, I don't know, I anyway
forget I've lost my train of thought, 'cause I was gonna go
somewhere else. Guys, you're you're, you're
totally right though, Tom, I think you know, Cyril is and and
Kyle seller does a phenomenal job.
Yeah, Kyle Cyril, he does such agreat job.
He, he does and he knows he's, he's kind of being a, a double
agent, right, 'cause he's, he's,he's, he's, he's gone to, to
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Gorman. He's kind of tried to set
himself up as this guy who is. He's kind of down on his luck,
right? It looks like he's been demoted.
If you look into his background,he was clearly fired from his
his job in season 1. As and you know, the ISB has
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kind of gone after him. And so it makes it look like it
makes him look like he's the perfect target for the Gorman
front, right? And like, they don't, they
clearly won't like what, you know, they believe Cyril doesn't
like the ISB and, and that he's,you know, upset about
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everything. And they can kind of play it
like, oh, we're, you know, we believe the ISB is running a
shadow government. It's not the empire that's bad,
it's the ISB that's bad. And and it it gives the he is
playing it such in such a perfect way that that the Gorman
front can approach him and try to get him to to turn and and
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and join them. Well, for happening, right,
Yeah. And, and I think for him, it's
it's the redemption of what happened in the first season or
he did lose his job. Because also remember when he
and Deirdre went in front of the, the main imperial to give a
status update of what's happening on Gorman, He was the
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one that kind of made the recommendation of if I have
given these guys the, the, the, the routes or the transports
that are going through town, youneed to make sure they stay that
way. Because if you're feeding
misinformation that this has to be consistent.
So for him, it's almost like, Ohmy God, I'm actually doing
something and I'm being listenedto compared to the last time I
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tried to do something. Nobody listened to me.
And look what happened. I lost my job.
Now I've got better status and this time within the ISB not
being investigated by the ISISB,I'm actually giving them the
information. It's kind of his dream, right?
He he's got the girl, he's got aa job that's important.
That doesn't really have the girl.
Well, he does. He does.
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I think he definitely. Does I still I still find it.
I still find that that this I just find it fascinating.
I'm sorry. The relationship between the two
of them. Thank you.
You said it, you said it becauseI still I still get back to the
first season when the two of them are standing there and he
saves her and they're staring ateach other.
I remember yelling to myself, don't kiss him, don't kiss her.
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Don't. That would be creepy, but like
the. Team that gets me though in this
arc is he Cyril takes he he takes a trip home sensibly to
see his mother and he gets an hour at I guess his real home.
Whatever whatever you want to call it.
Like with with Deidre, it is theweirdest scene, uncomfortable.
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It was, it was, it was very wellacted, very well written.
Everything was fine. But it made the IT made me
uncomfortable to watch this. It's so well written.
It's so well written. Oh my God.
Yeah, and like, you know, of course the scenes with his his
mother were I love how even the Gorman front or like the mother
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is terrifying. You know that was hilarious.
That line was hilarious. And their their relationship has
totally regressed again after Dedra has not, you know, she she
kind of now they're no longer together.
The mother is not worried, is not terrified about Dedra.
And so she's kind of gone back to her old.
They didn't interpret. It that way William I.
I mean, she's slightly better. I don't know.
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I mean she calls the, he gives her a spider and she names it
after him saying I sure. But I'm just.
Saying he's silent, brooding andhas a disregard for common sense
like. Yeah, I guess, sorry.
I guess the difference is Cyril is much less affected by it now.
Yes. He's still clearly annoyed by
his mother, but he's no longer in this like completely dejected
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state like we saw the first time.
Right, exactly. That is exactly true.
And because he knows like he's on the inside, right?
And he just gets so excited. I love that moment where
Partagaz or Cyril says the Gorman front are experienced but
eager, inexperienced but eager. And Partagaz looks at him and
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says how often those interviews align.
It's so good, like, directing itright at him.
And even later, like Sera tells Deidre, this is the greatest day
of his life. He's just, like, loving every
minute of it. And it's just, it's so good.
It is so, so good. Even though you know, he doesn't
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actually know what's what's really happening.
And to a certain extent, it kind, you kind of feel sorry for
the guy that he knows just a little bit, but you get this
feeling that, yes, he doesn't know enough of what's going on.
And then you're looking at it just going what will happen when
he finally, if at some point he ever figures out there's more to
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this than what Deirdre is actually living on about?
Yep. Before we talk more about Cyril
and the and the the plot on Gorman, though, I do want to
take a moment. Just talk about Gorman in
general and the Gorman front. What did you think of the planet
Gorman? I thought it was, it was
fascinating. It's kind of very fashion
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forward, well designed. It almost sounds like they're
speaking like French, right? It's almost like he took like
Paris or Milan even in Italy andand and tried to have a a Star
Wars planet based on phase. It does give me like heavy
French resistance vibes like. World, thank you.
I was going to say that, yes. They they did a phenomenal job
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with it, I thought. The only thing about it that
kind of bothered me is I just finished the book Mace Windu,
The Glass Abyss. Yes.
And there is the planet, the Togos.
Yeah, that also had fighters. Right.
Yeah, right, right. Yes.
And they also spun a web, so yeah.
And and I'm not sure if it's a web of lies, but they spun webs.
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Yeah, but that was the only thing about it is like, OK, I
understand that many different planets, spider spinning webs.
Why this planet? Well, yeah, this is explained in
the first arc, right? They they.
Yeah, I know, I know. Below the planet there is the
the material they need for the Death Star.
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Right. And and that's.
Why they need Gorman? It has nothing to do with the
spiders and the the silk and everything else that they.
They made to a certain extent, but but to a certain extent,
you're right about that. But it seemed like, wasn't it
the spider silk that ends up because it's a quote UN quote
fashion planet, they're using that spider silk to make the the
oh, yeah, yeah. Or am I wrong about that?
No. You're talking right.
I mean, that's that's what that's what drives the economy
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and the planet is like a it's a single item economy, single
export. They export lots of this fabric,
but the reason the empire wants it has nothing to do with that.
They actually. Want nothing to do with that.
Crust of the planet. But it makes for a really cool.
Place. Yeah, but I just found it
fascinating that now you had twoplants with spiders.
It's been in silk one, one, thatone that seemed like they
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actually needed that spider silkin one meaning the book, and in
the other one they didn't. They wanted the planet.
Right. Exactly.
Yeah. I think it's some cool moments,
right. We got the free souvenir spiders
with, like, secret messages inside.
And it's very like, you know, I think Cyril almost has it.
The Cassian doesn't. He has some, you know, spy
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moments throughout the the season, but Cyril in particular
I think has is kind of doing that cloak and dagger, you know,
infiltrating the Gorman front. And yeah, I thought it was
really cool. Before we discuss the Gorman
front, I do think we should briefly talk about the design
choice to have the Gorman's speak another language, not
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English in the show. And so their dialogue is always
subtitled, which we've seen withcharacters before, whether it's
Jabba the Hutt and Hatties or, you know, other other character
speaking hatties. But I think this is the first
time typically we'll hear like, like Ayla Sakura will have like
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or al Twilio will have like a French accent.
But. They are still speaking English.
The choice to do a a different language and subtitle for the
entire time you're on the planetGorman is a really interesting 1
and I it it definitely felt madethe planet feel a little more
unique than. I think in this case, even you
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did touch on it and even I felt it the same way.
It did make it feel like it was the French resistance.
It made it, it made that, it made it more authentic, what
they were trying to do 'cause even even the clothing almost
had a French feel too. Yeah.
So you got the, you got the passion element or the fashion
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element, you've got the, the kind of literal underground like
it. All the pieces are there, the
radios and all that stuff. Yeah.
Yeah. The, the radios, it just, it
just all, it all worked very well to make that whole
resistance feel right. Yeah.
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For sure, for sure. And, and the Gorman front is,
is, you know, we, we throughout this arc, we're introduced to
Caro Rylands, who is the the leader of the the Gorman front
and his daughter Enza Rylands and we meet Dylan, Sam, Lisa it
I found it a little hard to keeptrack of all of them even after
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multiple rewatches, right, like Dylan Sam and like Lisa, I know
Dylan and Sam are like really easy to get confused.
I think Sam has the longer hair,but I think they're they're
they're fine characters. I wouldn't I, I like the dad
quite a bit. Caro and even his daughter Enza
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was, was was good. I think the other ones are a
little more like they they just needed they needed to be there
for the story, but we're get spend less time with them as as
characters. But you know, throughout the
arc, we see them, you know, approach Cyril, Cyril that
attends a secret meeting where, you know, there's all sorts of
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you really get to see the unrestin the city, right.
And how many people on the planet and how many people are
upset about the empire building the Armory and are, are
struggling and, and their businesses are, are going under.
And, you know, that's, or it's casting a shadow of the
memorial. And we'll, we'll talk more about
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the, the monument to the fallen and, and the, the massacre.
I think an upcoming episode thisseason and how the the series
really does a great job of weaving together the Gorman
massacre and the various versions of it we've heard over
the years. And so I like how they did that
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too. I think the thing I liked most
throughout these episodes is it really we get to see the Gorman
front start from the beginning, almost like you can tell they're
in experience and route. You know, these episodes and
we'll get to Cassian's kind of role in just a moment.
We get to see them start to you know, develop and figure out
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what where they fit into, you know the the Galaxy wide events
that are ongoing. Yeah, actually let's let's talk
about that for a moment. You mentioned Cassian Lutheran
rail or decides they need to go send someone to Gorman.
Supervisor Lonnie he has anotherclandestine meeting with
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Lutheran and tells him that Deidre secretly running Gorman
and they don't really know why, but she's kind of moved on from
Axis and is is working on Gormanand that is like a signal to
them that oh something's something's up And Lutheran
wants to send Cassian, but he's of course reticent to go with
Vix's condition. This is before, you know, they
take out Doctor Gorst. But eventually, eventually
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Lutheran or Cassian decides, no,OK, I'm actually going to, I'm
actually going to go and, and entered and meet the, these,
these the Gorman front. And so he goes down to Gorman
under, you know, under the, you know, guise of a, of a designer
who is a fashion designer, Varian Skye, who's, you know,
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visiting Gorman for the first time.
And he starts to meet these rebels and kind of comes away
with the impression that they'renot, they're not very
experienced and he doesn't thinkthey can actually help them.
They're not ready yet. And, and it's a huge point of
contention with Lutheran. I think it was plain as day when
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he was approached at the bar or at the restaurant by the I
forgot her name because it is somany people and so many so hard
to keep track. But he even sat there and said,
look, you know, you, you're, you're playing this too loose.
You're this, you're that. And he, he literally broke down
exactly what she was doing wrong.
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And I believe he even sat there and said that I think this is
the point where she sat there and said even if he was being,
he knew he was being followed aswell, right?
Well, it's like you, you guys are so inexperienced.
It's almost like it's not worth my time because you guys are
just not ready. And he picked it out really
quick. Yeah, and and yet Luthan doesn't
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really seem to care. He's like, no, I, I, I Gorman is
too valuable to a big planet. Like Gorman wants to go to the
May, May may start to to revolt against the Empire even if they
fail right? He's willing to sacrifice the
planet to make a statement to the Galaxy that hey, if Lutheran
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would not Lutheran if if if the Gorman's would rebel, then why
shouldn't you? 2 type of thing.
Well what when it came to Lutheran and watching things
burn because I think he even satthere and said that it'll burn.
Didn't in the first episode he did set up one of the resistance
factions instead of doing it to Saw Guerrera.
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That resistance faction was walking into a trap and Luther
knew that was the case and let it happen anyway.
When I think Saw Saturn said whydon't we tell them and Luther
was like no though Lutheran basically if it blows up, it
blows up. Yeah, yeah.
He doesn't care 'cause he, he wants kind of for the, his, in
his mind, the the greater good for the, for the, for the
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rebellion. But I, I did like seeing the
whole sequence with Cassian undercover on Gorman, right?
And how we saw, you know, in the, in the trailers, like them
wearing characters, wearing likefancy suits and like, why are
they all dressed up like this 'cause they're trying to be, you
know, Cassian's a fashion designer and, and Cyril's
working at the, you know, high level position on, on Gorman.
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And, you know, we, it's fun to see Cassian, you know, like
checking into the hotel and, and, you know, doing his spy
thing, right, meeting Carl Rylands.
And it's, I, I liked the sequence quite a bit.
I, I like seeing Cassian undercover, even if he
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ultimately came away with the impression that, no, these these
people are far from ready. We should not engage.
Yeah. And.
Of course, sorry, I was glad. Of course, Lutheran doesn't take
that or an answer no. No.
He has backups, right? You don't need.
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You don't. You don't need.
He doesn't need Cassian. And so instead he sends Val
Sartha, Mon Mothma's sister. I'm sorry, sister, cousin.
And the return of Sinta Kaz as well.
We we see Sinta Kaz again. It's the first time Sinta and
Val apparently have seen each other in two years.
I guess Sinta's had an accident.She didn't want to tell Val and
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that's why she disappeared for so long.
Honestly, it kind of feels more like a maybe like an actor
scheduling thing than anything else.
I don't believe. But you know, the the two of
them play a, a fairly major rolein this episode until, well, I
mean, we can just kind of get straight to it when they they
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attack the convoy and Scinta hasa very quick death when things
go wrong and she's she's shot. Probably the one of the most
shocking things I think in this arc and specifically but like
certainly on the show thus far. Out of nowhere, right?
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It happens out of nowhere. It's not even imperial happens.
It's it's another guy that you know, was at the the meeting
that Cyril went to. Like he seems to not be happy
with the Empire and it's just the two of them fighting causes
not make it. And it, and it was like a, you
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know, the one of the, the, I think you actually see in this,
in this whole sequence just how inexperienced the, the gore are,
right? They, you know, Val explicitly
tells them you follow orders or you're out.
And only the only Val and I are going to or felons are going to
carry weapons because carry blasters because they don't
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trust everyone. And even Sinta correctly points
out that Drina, the driver shouldn't the getaway driver
probably shouldn't be, probably would not be able to do the job.
And instead, you know, of course, she turns out she's
totally right. During the operation, like an
old lady approaches and Drina tries to help her and leaves her
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post. And then one of the the
civilians, Lazine kind of comes up and he's he's somewhat
tangentially involved the Gormanfront, but not in on the
operation. He notices something going on
and starts to cause a commotion and he has a a tussle with Sam
who accidentally shoots him. Except it goes wide and boom,
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hits Senta and that's, that's the end of Senta.
And, and the operation does go well.
And it's a cool sequence, right where they it, it, it reminds me
a lot of the heist sequence in season 1, right where they're
trying to get the, the stuff offthe off the transport and tie
all the weapons, the rates of weapons and get them out of the
ship thanks to the Intel they got from Cyril.
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But yeah, it goes very very wrong and and Scinta dies.
And I think the, the part that makes it so riveting is when
Bell sits there, looks at the guy who did it and says, you
know, in very strong words. And she's really trying to hold
it in, but like, this will live with you.
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And, and it's like, don't cry. I think she was like, don't cry.
Look at me. Look at.
But it's like this. You cannot wash this away.
This will always be with you. And I think she may have said
this may have been the first, but it won't be the last, you
think? Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to,
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she's trying to steal them for what he knows is to come, like,
you know. That's right, That's right.
Because and she's got to deal with it, but she's sitting there
trying to show them. You've got to move on about
this. You won't like it, you're going
to wear it and it's never going to go away.
But if this is what you want, you've got to move forward or
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get out. Yeah, very, very surprising and
and shocking, but. It shows.
That anyone can die in this, youknow, we we saw Brazo's last
arc, Scinta bites it this time it's and ever anyone is is in is
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in danger and that's kind of makes makes it exciting.
It's the last season and there'sso many characters and we many
will might might survive and many might die.
We don't really know right wherethey all are in the time of
Rogue One. It it doesn't often times like
fans are like, oh, to me say everyone has to die because we
don't see him and say, well, notnecessarily, but it doesn't mean
they don't have to live either, right?
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There's there's a you never really know what's what's gonna
happen with these, these characters.
But yeah, it's a it's a really interesting moment.
And I, I just love how the wholetime major part of Gaz and, and,
and Deidre and Cyril are they'rewatching, they're, they're
keeping an eye on things and they, they're saying, oh, don't,
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don't send in those reinforced. OK, now send them in right now.
Send in the troops. Make make sure they go in loud.
So the rebel, you know, the Gorman front has had plenty of
time to get away. It's it's really cool.
Really, well, it seems like it seems like the Gorman front has
to have a couple wins just to make it, just to make them feel
like they've got a handle on this.
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They're getting experience. We're going to take down the
Empire and it's literally setting them up to we're going
to come in and the Empire is going to come down and squash
you guys like gnats when you don't expect it.
Yep. Exactly.
Yeah. Yeah.
So, yeah, that's the that's the that's where the Gorman front
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storyline ends. We don't see the Gorman massacre
in this arc, so I can only imagine it's going to happen
sometime later this season. There's six more episodes before
the end. Who knows how the Gorman
massacre will come into play, but they're definitely setting
things up. I thought overall, like the
planet Gorman was, was pretty cool and I'm excited to see
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where they take things in the next two arcs.
But man, there's still, there's still more to talk about.
We haven't even touched on Mon Mothma's storyline and and
Claya's storyline in these two, three episodes.
So let's see, I guess it starts with in the first episode of
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this arc, Mon Mothma is she's kind of struggling.
She's kind of struggling, right?She's she's really trying to
rescind the PORD, the public order resentencing directive we
saw implemented in in Season 1 and it's been in still in effect
two years after it was an act despite never having supposing
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to have supposed to be, you know, it wasn't supposed to ever
be permanent, but it it it's still in effect.
But she cannot get enough senators to back her and it's
getting really challenging. Even the senator from Gorman,
Senator Dasi Oran, is like, I don't know, like it's like, you
know, the empire's frame it as like security measures.
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She's having a lot of a lot of trouble.
Sorry. Yeah.
I mean, we're, we are seeing theeffects that the emperor and the
empire is having on the Senate at this point.
You know, like everyone is kind of watching out for their own
interests. They don't want to draw
attention to themselves. And it kind of leaves Maan
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Mothma and maybe another friendly face, although we'll
get to that in a moment, Kind ofleading the charge, as it were.
Yes, exactly, exactly and me. Not OK.
Now wait a minute, wait a minute.
Is that I'm not going to go there yet.
But it's that friendly face really leading the charge or
kind of sitting there pushing her a little bit but staying
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back a bit. We'll, we'll, we'll come to
that, Tom. We'll come to.
That, yeah, I know. I know.
But the, the, the, the that's Monmouth's storyline is, is, is
pretty minimal. I think in the first episode
when we get to be, she had a a ton of time in the first arc.
When we get to the second episode of this arc, we see it's
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a I'd say it's a phenomenal intro, right?
In season 1, the Andor theme would change ever so slightly
with every single episode whenever we saw the Andor logo.
It's really cool this one. They have the most unique 1 yet,
where instead of being like a take on the Andor theme, we
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actually hear the Andor theme interspersed with other
communications over a radio. As if like Clea is scrubbing
through stations trying to find something interesting.
We hear stations from Ryloth Corelia, Skuldin's own radio
station. They a Hut, maybe Java, not
really sure you know people, people having various
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conversations and it's as the and our logo is there.
It's like scrubbing through it transitions into Clay and
Luthan's shop, scrubbing throughthe calm, the radio stations and
it's it's AI Love that it was a really creative way to start the
episode. It's very resistance, very like
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back in World War 2 when you hadlike a radio broadcast and I
think at one point you did hear something like a thing that was
like, I'm gonna throw this out there 'cause I've heard it many
times when it comes to World War2 movies, it's like a thing or
one of those like a chair against the wall type thing.
Meaning that's like a code thingthat came out there, right?
So it was very well done. Yeah, it's really cool.
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And. And while she's listening, she
discovers that, well, she overhears Davos Scolden talking
with his assistant Mishko. Apparently she has a a bug in
his office and is able to listenin.
And one of the items in his art,you know, ancient artifacts
collection, the Corio chalice, is a forgery.
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And he is furious. And he has he decides to
carefully re inspect and recertify everything in his
collection, including the Tiniancodex, which hides Clea's secret
listening device. And if they don't do something
quickly, their the bug is going to be discovered.
And the only person who could have planted that bug was the
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person who sold him the artifact.
Good ol Lutheran rail. And that just sets off alarm
bells with Clea and Lutheran. They have to get rid of that bug
before Lutheran for Davos Skulden finds it.
It's, it's a really cool sequence.
I I I love it. Fantastic sequence and it I
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really liked how it put kind of clay into the spotlight for a
lot of this arc as well, her relationship with Luthan.
And like, it's like I had a likethrough this arc and even the
previous arc, I always felt likeLuthan was like not quite as
awesome as he was in the first season.
Not that he wasn't like present and doing stuff, but he didn't
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have some of those like stand out moments, you know, like the
ship moment with his Hulk craft.This, this.
The sequence, particularly whereClay is trying to replace the
bug, had all the tension of someof the great Lutheran scenes
from the first season, like Chuck Nominal.
Oh yeah, yeah. Like just the fact that, well,
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yeah, I mean, at that party, right, we have Director Chronic
there, we have Mon Mothma. There's a whole bunch of people
at this this party that they've they've gone to at the galaxy's
Opera House, actually at Davos Golden's party.
It's cool to see the the galaxy's Opera House back again
from, of course, episode 3. You know, a bunch of the ISB
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officers got an invite. Mon Mothma's there, Lutheran
director Krennick Claya, right? All the the who's who of Corus
Santi Elite. And there's a moment when dad
was like, yeah, come see my collection.
He takes everyone the select review back into his private
room. And they they start looking at
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the different artifacts. And while Clea is trying to
secretly remove the bug and likeyou said, Steven, it is, there's
so much tension and she's using Lonnie as like, cover so they
can't see him. I can't see her like working
away, like actually cutting her hand.
She's so struggling so hard to get it out.
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It is, it is beautifully shot and acted and, and just so much
so, so much tension. I think what adds to the tension
is the actor who is playing Lonnie.
It was just like even just like he's freaking out.
I was like, what are you doing here?
And she just grabs him saying, you know what, you're going to
come with me. You're going to do exactly what
I say. And right now it's going to look
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like I'm flirting with you. So just enjoy this until we get
over to this thing that you're going to help me by way of
standing in front of me while I try and do this.
So you're not going to be drawing attention to me.
And the whole time, you could tell that there was like, sweat
on his brow, just like, and she's like, you need to do this.
And then you've got Luthan in the background watching all
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this, the same kind of tension. I mean, just incredible.
Right, And even in the previous episode, right, just seeing
Luthan almost start to lose it and, and normally he and Clea
are like he's very calm and collected and he's always like
on Clea's side. And and you know, when she tells
them they have to remove the bug, right?
He just starts to almost freak out and be like, it was too big
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of a risk and why do we do this?And what what are we doing?
We're like causing ourselves more.
He starts to like spiral on saying all the lies and the
secrets are catching up with him.
It's really interesting to see even Lutheran have like a a
crisis of faith in almost and like can I even do this?
I think the thing that caught meis when you're saying he was
having that, that, that moment he even sat there and said that
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they were having, he was having a big, big problem processing
all the information that was coming in from all the different
rebel groups. And now this is thrown on top of
it to where I've got this guy. And I think even questioned why
did we put a microphone in this place to begin with in the this
guy's collection after all the years we've been sitting here
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with that. I think he said something about
like 2 years. It's been in there for two
years. Reverse nothing until now.
Now all of a sudden because of absolutely no reason, we're not
getting any valuable informationfrom this guy.
We have to remove this thing so we don't get caught because we
have too much information. They got some things and they
got you know, you are in lying and the Holland News buyout and
Scolden court in the grand visor.
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I love all those little Easter eggs too, right?
Like just you learn or the fact that the Holland News has been
bought out presumably by the empire, right.
So they're starting to control the the spread of the news and
it's Yeah, it's interesting. I love the.
But I think for his case, for his case, he was saying it was
just too much information for them to filter out.
And it's like, yes, those are great little Nuggets, but it
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seemed like those little Nuggetsweren't big enough because he
even, I believe he did question,even though those are good
Nuggets, why that microphone wasin there to begin with.
Yeah. Exactly.
Exactly one that we didn't coveris on the way to the party, we
learned that it's what's called Vestry week.
And we actually Vesti week, sorry.
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And we actually see a almost like a, a Good Morning America
style, a radio program and and Cyril's mom's house and Edie
Karns house. But you know, but apparently
this is the week where all the new senators are coming in.
They're hosting parties and everyone's like, oh, we have to
go to all these. This is annoying.
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You know, it's a, it's a nice little moment.
It gives a little more texture into how the Senate works and,
and how the, how things are, areoperating these days.
Or even the fact that there's this, this new guy, the Oath
Keeper in the Senate who leads everyone in a, in a, in a Senate
in a recitation of the Pledge ofAllegiance.
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It's some some nice moments and then I didn't really mean to
save this for the end, but I guess I guess we're gonna we're
gonna talk about this last Mon Mothma on her way into the party
that we talked about where they,you know, steal the retrieve the
bug walks by Bail Argana. He he's coming out of the party
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as they're going in. You know, he's like, he and Brie
have split up to come cover a bunch of parties.
It is so cool to see Bail Argana.
Except, and this is what I don'tget, here we are.
I know here we. Go.
Here we go. Where the heck is Jimmy Smits?
He is played by Benjamin Bratt. They recast Bale Organa.
How can you? There had to have been a reason.
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There had OK, I'm this OK, I'm sorry, I'm jumping on this right
now. There had to have been a reason
I would rather not. Have Bale Organa, why are you
recasting him? OK, you know what?
And this is where you're gonna jump all over me.
I I think they casted the best actor for that job.
If they couldn't get Jimmy Smits, who else could have
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pulled that off? I thought he did the best job he
could from a character that you all have to say is very iconic
with the Star Wars universe because how many films has he
really been in? OK, how many times has he
actually shown up within the Star Wars universe?
He was in episodes 1-2 and threehe.
Was I know that Kenobi, I know that I'm.
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Pretty sure he even reprised hisrole in Rebels at one point.
Like. I I believe so too you.
Couldn't get Jimmy Smith. It was a 5 minute sequence you
couldn't get. Jimmy, it was a 5.
It depends on the guy. If he could have been sick, he
could have been, you know, on a different job.
He could have been on a cruise. He might have been on an
airplane. They couldn't have been able to
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get it to. His schedule and film it some
other point you can make it just.
They, they, you know what? Put it this way, they could have
done it CG. They've done many, many things
by way of doing just a guy with motion capture and put his face
on a different actor. They did it with Luke Skywalker,
with Tarkin, I would say. You said yes, let's do it.
But but I'm gonna say this, I think for the actor that they
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got OK, I think Benjamin Bratt did a good job for what he was.
I still think he kept enough of the character.
I don't think he did really anything different to make it
not feel like it wasn't Bale or gonna OK, I I got to give him
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that kind of props. And I can tell both of you are
seething and want me to just saystop and I want to hear your
your color. I'm gonna.
Be a very prayer, OK? Let me just let me step into
children. Let me separate.
You. Hey.
Look, I'm an I'm an old fart between the two of you, so.
Obviously I would have loved to have seen Jimmy Smits in the
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role. I thought Benjamin Bratt did a
good job. Yes.
I don't think it's that big a deal.
I can understand being disappointed, yes.
It didn't bother me. The only thing I will say I
found funny is I felt like they kept saying his name.
Because they. Knew people wouldn't recognize
him that's why they walk into like hi bail, hi senator.
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I got like they said it multipletimes just to make sure.
No, this is bail like because, because it's interesting to me
that Lucasfilm didn't even announce it.
Like I feel like if it was JimmySmith's making a surprise
entrance, like, Oh, great, that's awesome.
Nice surprise. If you're going to recap
someone, at least tell people ahead of time.
Like, hey, you know, like I don't know for for me, and I'll
(56:01):
just two seconds and then and then I'll just I'll I'll ignore
it. Maybe tell we'll see.
I I can't make any promise. I won't bring it up again.
But I was going to say the you know, the IT it makes sense to
me. Sometimes you have to recast,
right, You have to recast when going from like live action to
animation or animation to live action doesn't always, you know,
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the same actor can't always translate.
You have to recast when going doing a time jump, like, you
know, Jake Lloyd to Hayden Christensen for Anakin.
You have to or I feel like the actor is like way too old now,
right. You like Al Guinness and Ewan
McGregor, right? Obviously those are very or like
(56:43):
large age jumps or the actor is like aged out way too much at
this point where just literally doesn't make any sense.
I feel like especially since Jimmy Smith's was Justin Kenobi,
you know, you can't really make the case that, oh, he was, he's
too old to play the part now or something.
That is where I started. I went to look up and I was
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like, oh, he was Justin Kenobi. Fine.
Yeah. I'm assuming there was some
other conflict. And the and the last one is like
someone dies, right? That's obviously a big one.
Where like with bail and skull, right?
Unfortunately, sadly, the you know, Ray Stevenson passed away.
If you either have to write him out or do something digitally or
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recast or something, right? You have no choice but for
something where like Jimmy Smitsis so associated with Bale
Organa and I feel like you got him back for Kenobi, you got him
back for all these other things you couldn't give him back for.
For Andor. It's like the one weird thing of
like you can bring back all these other characters
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throughout Andor but he's the one you have to recast and
probably the most notable 1. I.
I, I, I it it it. Bothered me I I Benjamin.
Brad did a great job for what hehad.
To do? Yes, he did.
But I still think it was a mistake to recast him.
That's my, that's where I, I, I will.
We'll finish. Then then they then they would
have probably have had to write him out of this episode
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definitely and maybe any other episode he was going to appear
in. I I'm sure he had to be a
scheduling conflict or maybe he was like, you're Lucas, you can,
you can pay him enough to get him in.
Just clearly you could afford itfor Kenobi.
Just make it work for and, or itmust have been a scheduling
thing or something. It was just a bit of a bummer
for me. It was the one they actually
took me out of the episode. I was like, instead of being
excited about Bill or I was like, why did they recast him?
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You know, and I spent too long thinking about that instead of
enjoying the episode. So that's my two cents.
I know it's not the end of the world, but.
It's kind of, I will still say Ithink he did the best job he
could. I don't think he did anything
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different than maybe Jimmy Smith's would have done.
And I don't see any other actor out there that could have
possibly pulled this off better than him.
That's fair. I I will agree with that.
He did a great job that probablywas the best.
Choice and and he he still had that air of bail Organa yeah for
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sure you know yeah and again it's such a.
Short sequence anyway, like. I know.
He like walks by. He's like, hey, hey, how you
doing in like 30? Seconds.
Yeah. A couple high fives and you walk
away. I mean done.
That's part of what made it moreannoying in subways, but.
It's a couple high fives and he walks away.
I thought it was funny. Just kidding.
Like. Why you bring him in at that
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point anyway? Yes.
I don't know. Well, is there anything else
we've we've forgotten to mentionso far?
I I think we've, we've pretty well covered.
The second I feel like we have as well.
I, I think, I think we're prettygood.
Tom, you want to go 1st and do the ratings for the the three
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episodes? I am going to do the ratings and
I will tell you I'm going to give this all as a whole.
I'm giving the episodes a nine. I mean this is.
The hardest thing about this we're.
Doing individually though, you got to give.
Each individual. Overall, but we're doing
individual too, so. OK.
All right. Then I am going to say at nine
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across the board, OK, this, thisis what's going to be very hard
about this. This is such a very strong show.
It's going to be very hard to sit there and really get into
the nitpick to knock anything lower than I'm going to say
lower than an 8, which I doubt it's even going to go that low
because the writing, the acting,the cinematography, nothing so
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far has made me sit there and say why, Why are you doing this?
I'm bored. I with all these episodes at
this point, I have been on the edge of my seat and I've enjoyed
it like you would not believe. And and I don't want to be the
Homer. I really want to sit here and
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try and nitpick, but it's kind of hard when you're seeing
really good those though, I'm giving them straight across the
board 9. I I loved this.
I cannot wait for everybody to see the rest of them because I
feel that right now, out of the Star Wars shows that have been
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on the air, this is right now myfavorite of the Star Wars series
that have been on air. They are outstandingly written,
acted, directed and just cinematography wise.
I, I, I enjoy all of them, though they're not across the
board for all three of these episodes.
That's fair, Steven. Yep.
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Yeah, I mean, I have the same problem with Tom, honestly.
Like the things I didn't like about, you know, this arc
primarily the Saw kind of piecesare they're throughout like you,
you get a little bit of each one.
So it's, I have trouble differentiating them 'cause
they, they really do hang together as like a single
overall story. But I, I think I'm also going to
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do this one in nine. I think Saw was probably the
biggest like that. That arc didn't really land for
me. The rest of it was phenomenal.
And yeah, like my, what about that 27 womp rats, I guess
total, You know, they are, they're actually forming A
resistance to like there's the, the Gorman front, you know, the
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resistance of the Empire. And then the, the womp rats are
actually a secondary even deeperresistance.
They, you know, they have deep cover just to make sure they can
really start doing the deed against the Empire.
OK, you know I forgot to do something with my womp rats.
I didn't. Well, what are?
You What are you doing though? No, this is weird.
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What am I going to do with my 27womp rats?
OK, I'll let I'll let you think.About it.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I got it, I got it, I got it. My 27 womp rats are going to
once Leah gets that little little the listening device out
of the relic at the party and they leave the building.
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As a last thing that happens here you have Lutheran go back
and release 27 womp rats into the place that just have the
place go. Total chaotic mess inside there
is a joke just so they can get away cleanly.
So you did see them walk away, but it was the 27 womp rats that
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actually masked their getaway. Nice.
I like it. Yeah, I.
Like it? There you go.
Yeah, that just leaves me. I, I mean overall, yes, the
episodes are just so good. They're so good.
I I loved it and or has just continued to be just phenomenal
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so far. I do think as kind of with
season one, the first two episodes kind of build up and
then the last one is like the the, the best of the of the
trilogy. And so for that reason, I think
I'll give the 1st 2 episodes 8.5and then followed by a nine.
I think, as you said, Steven, I,I agree with you.
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The, the, the woman arc didn't make a ton of sense.
And although it wasn't bad, it just wasn't again, my favorite.
And then, you know, the, the final episode was just
phenomenal with the tension and,and trying to steal the, the,
you know, retrieve the, the bug in time.
Honestly, I, I would give it a, you know, a 9.5 probably, but
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you know, Baylor Ghana really drops at like 5 points.
So I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But no, I think I'm going to
give it a 99 womp rats for the, the finale overall, just so good
for let's see my 26 womp rats. You know, they actually, they
actually help spin the the Gorman silk and, and that's how
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the Gorman's are so productive and and make so much of the silk
'cause they have a giant team ofwomp rats in the backroom just
working away. So yeah, I think that wraps it
up man. Another fantastic arc of Andor.
This is just keeps getting better.
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And. Better and I cannot wait to hear
what everyone thinks and and discuss it with all of you.
I I can't wait until we start seeing all just everybody
watches this and we start seeingall the reaction of basically
the general public who gets to see this.
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Just I cannot wait to see how people react to this.
I really can't. It is so, yeah.
Well, wanna thank you all for listening.
This was a really fun one as usual, and we'll be back next
week with our review of the third episode third arc.
Sorry, excuse me of Andor. The show is just, we're halfway
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through where it's just blazing through, but it's.
Amazing. So good.
You know, guys, I, I think Gorman's going to come out all
right. I look forward to that next
week. What could go wrong, right?
What could go wrong? In in some cases that could be
famous last words. You never know.
And with that, actually, I thinkwe'll make that as our our last
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Hey laser clickers. Welcome to the Iron Cannon
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podcast. I'm one of your hosts Steven and
I'm joined by my friends and Co host Tom and William, and we are
getting ready to talk about the second arc of season 2 of
Andores. So that's what episodes 1617 and
18 I believe. So these episodes were directed
by Ariel Kleinman and written byBo Willem.
In this series of episodes, the situation on Gorman begins to
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escalate. But now we're starting to see
Gorman play out within the Star Wars universe.
Yeah, we Fascinating. Let's see this.
Yeah, I mean we we we hear aboutit in the first arc right but
now this season this this this arc jumps ahead another year to
three BBY and we we actually getto see the planet Gorman for the
(01:14):
first time. Before we go that though, let I
want I think maybe let's let's start with talking with Andor
and with about Cassian and and Bix, because you know, they're I
feel like their story's a littlebit slower in the first episode,
especially Bix's right. She spends a lot of time in this
(01:34):
arc, and admittedly, probably even in this as right in this
episode and even in the arc, just kind of still trying to
deal with the ramifications of her torture at the hands of
Doctor Gorst. And she's like, is she like
she's in kind of a bad state? Is she?
It almost looks like she's, she's drinking something out of
a vial. Like is it a death stick?
I'm not really, I'm not really sure what's going on, but it's
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it's not, it's not good. No, and and it's really sad to
see her that way because Bix wassuch a strong character in the
first season and to see this kind of darkness all over her.
Just just, it is heartbreaking to see this and you're really
rooting for her to just come outof it because I mean, I, I just
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it, it's very hard to watch this.
Really, really hard to watch herdo this.
He tries, though, I mean, sporadically, you see her kind
of come out of it. When her and Cassian went to go
shopping, he had that kind of, you know, fun about her when
they are in the apartment and I think they were cooking.
He had that kind of thing about her.
But because of all that torture she went through having a very
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hard time sleeping, and because of this little vial that she's
taking, it kind of helps her sleep, but it doesn't appear to
be working well for her. Yeah, I mean, she's, you know,
like you said, she starts to kind of feel there's, there's
moments where you can see maybe she's she's not quite as as
(03:04):
struggling as much. But then I think it doesn't
really help that Cassie is so afraid of being found out 'cause
they're now living on Coruscant in a, in a safe house that, you
know, they can't even go to a bodega or a park without fear of
being identified. And and and and that probably
doesn't really help either. Now he he is, he's struggling
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with being on course on it. He's really struggling and
being, I would say like overprotective of Vicks
throughout this arc and just, it's, it's a hard balance, you
know, like you, you want to protect or he wants to protect
her, but he also is unable to kind of do so.
It's yeah, it's kind of heartbreaking to watch this kind
of play out over the the space of these episodes.
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I mean, even in the second episode, right, Lutheran comes
by and he he at first wants to ask Bix for help.
And when he sees how she's doing, he kind of changed his
mind. Like, Nah, I'm not going to.
I'm not going to ask you. And there's this moment where,
you know, Bix admits she thinks Cassie doesn't think she's
strong enough. And I think that's partially
true, but just given how protective he is of her, but
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Lutheran also tries to reassure her that she's he knows that
she's and and Cassian knows how how strong well.
Lutheran even says that we need you strong.
We we need you to be bix. You can't, you can't be this
way. So we're looking for you to be
strong and and get over this. Yeah, I I think the nice thing
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though is we do see, you know, as we approach the and get into
the the third episode in the arc, you know, she once Lutheran
approaches her and and Cassian is like furious that Lutheran
approached her, you know, without him knowing and never,
never admits that he he went to go see her.
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He, she, she basically kind of decides that no, I, I need to
like, I need to like get myself in a better headspace.
And she tries to like give the safe house a makeover and add
more light and plants instead ofjust being this dark, kind of
somewhat dingy safe house. And, you know, and on Coruscant
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and, and eventually they, they actually managed to figure out
that Doctor Gorst is kind of starting his, his basically
military intelligence is kind ofjealous of Doctor Gorst and what
he's been doing for the ISB. And so the Empire expanded into
a whole big program and he's moved over to a Navy facility.
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And of course, when they, the rebels learn of this, Bix goes
and infiltrates the building. And it's a great scene where she
just gives Doctor Gorst a taste of his own medicine.
Phenomenal. I was actually surprised how,
like, I was expecting this kind of trauma and Dr. Gores to like
play out throughout the season. I was really surprised we ended
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it like kind of just like that. Well, I, I think that gets back
to if you were to give it like Ithink in the spoiler free
episode, I mentioned if he were to give a couple seasons like,
or these arcs, like one more episode, maybe in this one, this
could have been like that one more episode to let it play out
just a little bit longer. Because, yeah, you could say
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this happened too quickly, but the payoff was just the best.
I don't think you could have delayed it enough to get that
same impact from the payoff, Especially when she's walking
out of the place and just shootsa guard.
I mean, as you could tell at that point, he's regained her
strength and she's regained her identity because he was able to
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face that doctor and basically give him the taste of his own
medicine. So good.
Oh yeah. Riddle is such a phenomenal
moment. Yeah well then she just like
blows it up. Also I love how like Goris just
has like Star Wars takeout dessert or something like an 0.
That was funny. That was funny.
It was like Chinese takeout. Hello.
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And then she just like, you know, turns the tables on him
and puts him in his own torture device.
And he he really deserved it. And that's kind of the the end
of Doctor Gorge and that it's really a turning point for for
Bix and, and and and her and herstate.
And I thought while yes, I agree, Steven, I thought it
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would take longer. I think it's actually good that
they expedited it as quickly as they did.
It didn't feel rushed to me. It felt.
No it didn't. I do agree and I it's one of
those things where like I I'm glad the show spends time going
fix dealing with this very clearPTSD.
I'm also glad we moved past it faster than I expected so that
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we can get into other stories, you know, with our characters,
basically. Yeah, I I agree.
Also before we talk about beforegoing to Gorman, because that's
the the big plot point here, we should also talk about saws of
partisan. So Willman, he actually, you
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know, I never, I never thought he'd have this, this much of A,
of a focus in, in season 2, but he ends up traveling to none
other than Dakar from the last Jedi.
And we were right. Remember, we speculated, I, I
speculated, hey, I think that's Dakar, the, the, the rubble base
and, or the, the, the resistancebase in the last Jedi.
(08:37):
And sure enough, it was Dakar, which is super cool to see.
And I saw Guerrera's partisans are there and have a have a base
and we kind of get to see more of Saw Guerrera and I kind of
how he's willing to do anything to get what he he needs, even
(08:59):
basically kidnap Will and tell him he can't leave until he
helps them steal this rhidonium.What did what did you guys think
of the the whole sequence of Sagar era throughout this this
trilogy? This oh man, maybe I'm gonna get
myself in a little trouble. This was the probably the least
(09:21):
interesting thing in the entire show to me.
I didn't really care for you just said his name.
I've. Already forgotten it?
Willman, thank you. I I didn't care for Willman.
I was surprised that he came back.
His story here was like, I guessI wasn't surprised he came back,
but like, you know what I'm saying?
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I mean, in, in our season 1, he was, he was not like you got the
A level characters like Andor, Cassian, Monmouth, etcetera.
You have out like the B level, like Bix, who are certainly
important, but not the main focus of the season.
And then I'd say you have like the C level characters of like
women who are certainly a named character who have important
moments. His dad's tortured by Doctor
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Gorst, all that stuff. But like at the end of the day,
he's not even on the same level as like a Bix or Brasos.
And so I was surprised that he came back too.
And I agree with you, Steven. I it was kind of like the the
sequence on Yavin 4 for in the first arc.
I was like, it's fine. It's not my favorite.
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I also had a lot of trouble following it the first time I
watched it. I was very confused the first
time I watched it. Well, that part I, that part I
agree with when it came to the the mechanism that Willem was
trying to explain to the guy whoended up.
That was about the only thing about the episode.
Or this part about Saud Guerrerothat was fascinating about it,
was that you've got one that he was not going to return.
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He had to train Willem, had to train this other guy to do this
thing #1 why? OK, But it also seemed Saud did
it to set up the other guy because it turned out the other
guy was an imperial spy and Saw played him, played both Willem
and this other guy played him like a flute saying OK, we're
(11:10):
going to go this one place, but hey ha ha, now that this guy is
dead, the Empire is going to be at this one place where we're
going somewhere else. Now, the thing that really threw
me off was once they put this mechanism where they were
supposed to be that whole thing about the, you know, take your
mask off and drink this in. And that was bizarre.
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I just I did not understand so much of this heart.
I, I and I get that part, but itjust.
It did not make sense to me. Yeah, on the second viewing, I
understood it more, but I couldn't agree with you more,
Steve. And the first viewing, I was
like, what in the heck is going on, right?
I think at first I wasn't sure, are they building a bomb or are
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they trying to steal stuff? On the second, I was like, OK, I
clearly missed a very quick lineof dialogue where Sagarira says
they're trying to steal this rhydonium, this fuel and that.
There's like an extraction device and you have to be
careful when extracting the fuelbecause there's a wide variety
of types of pipes or mechanisms.And, and in order to tap into
these fuel lines, you have to know exactly which one you're
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going to tap into. And if you're not careful, it
could blow up because it's supervolatile, but it's also very
dangerous to breathe. Except then Saw Guerrera start
talking about how he likes the smell and, and and of of this
gas. And then when they actually go
to this planet, it's some unknown moon and he starts they
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start stealing it from the supply line.
Willman does it. He manages to tap into the line
and nobody dies. And then he takes Sauger takes
off his gas mask and starts breathing in the air like a very
crazy person and saying he enjoys the itch and the burn
and, and calls it. He calls the gas his sister,
which I mean we know his sister from the clone wars but this
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doesn't make any sense. And then he tells Willman to
take off his mask too. And then Willman starts
breathing in and his lungs are burning and he's basically
gasping and coughing on the ground with the episode ends and
I'm like why did he do this and I don't Did he die like this?
Makes sense to me. But it only shows how crazy
Sauger is. I mean, we've known.
We've known for so long. Yeah, it we've known for so
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long. He's crazy.
We know that. He doesn't trust anybody.
And we we know that he's only trusting his his group.
He doesn't trust anybody outsidethe other rebels because we all
know that within Rogue One. He thought that.
What's her name? What's going to kill him?
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OK, Nama. Mama.
No, Jen. Sorry.
Thank you. I know.
But he he thought she was there to kill him.
It's like we know Saw is crazy, this just proves this is he's
now going insane. Yeah.
Yeah, here's I think, I think they set up an issue with SAW
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and I, I actually would say it probably goes back to Rebels
would be my guess. At some point in time they
decided SAW has like 2 defining characteristics that will take
him between when we see him in Clone Wars and when we see him
in Rogue One. Number one, he's paranoid yes
and no, you know, no restrictions, you know, like
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however you want to define his like approach to the war and #2
is he is like the the breathing issues, the reason he has the
kind of machine and like all these things.
And it just leads to this weird thing where every time he shows
up, like you're trying to judge where in the timeline you are.
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And I just, I, I think it is thecause of the, the issues here.
Basically, I guess there's too much going on with him.
We don't see him enough to like let each of these like arcs
really develop that would end upwith stuff where it's like oh
Saw is both being crazy and breathing in toxic fumes for
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reasons that don't seem relevantlike.
I think the other part about it is we don't get to see him where
he gets fully developed into this.
Like whatever armor, breathing apparatus, whatever it is that
he's actually wearing, we only see it in the stages.
We don't see the actual, you know, implications that made him
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add that stuff like the breathing apparatus, we really
don't see him use that at all until Rogue One.
We see it when a certain point anyway.
But I mean I. We we never, we never see it.
I mean, I think the intention isto say this maybe is why he
needs the breathing apparatus orsomething like he's addicted to
breathing in Rhyonium. But like, yeah, why?
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Yeah, it, it doesn't I'm, you know, in our I, I think overall
the season is phenomenal and I, I loved it there this this arc
and and the Archon Yavin forwardthe 2 ones.
I was like not my favorite. And I think just the first time
I watched it, I, I thought, I wasn't sure what I thought.
(16:22):
I thought did Wildman just kill himself?
I I'm not sure. The second time makes slightly
more sense slightly, but at least I understood the the
basics because I had subtitles on and I was taking notes and
and everything. But most viewers aren't going to
do that. I think that's the that's the
(16:42):
the challenge. Right.
Yeah, but that's basically that's basically the Willman's
subplot. And yeah, it's I think we've
talked about probably talked about that as much as as much as
we can. Let's turn our attention to
Gorman because this to this arc had two other key plots.
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There's a lot of other pieces going on that we'll talk about
like the ISB and, and whatnot, but Gorman and of course the
Senate and I very excited to talk about the, the Mon Mothma
sequence. But Gorman is we finally see it
for the first time. And it turns out that in the
last year, Cyril has left Coruscant, moved away from
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Didra, and is now living in on Gorman, working for a field
office of the Bureau of Standards.
And his mom thinks he's been demoted, even though he runs the
whole office. And, you know, she's
disappointed that he's no longerwith Didra Miro anymore.
And the show kind of tries to set it up like, oh, they've
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broken up. But really it's all part of
their evil scheme to, to, to help have Cyril root out and,
and kind of embed himself in theGorman front, the rebels on the
planet Gorman. And so while Dedra and Cyril are
(18:12):
pretending to no longer be together, they are very much
still together. And it's all part of the long
game. And even Cyril doesn't really
know the full details of Dedra'splan.
He's just working with her to try to help her.
And this dynamic is really cool.I What did you guys think of of
the planet Gorman and and Cyril and.
(18:34):
I, I loved all the setup that ishappening here.
Like I said, I thought they did a phenomenal job of just putting
the pieces into place. I really actually like, hero has
been kind of like Comic Relief for a lot of like season 1 and
season 2 thus far. I mean, and I, I actually really
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like him in this role where he'sfinally doing this thing he's
been trying to do. He is undercover.
You can tell he's actually kind of good at it as well.
Like, he's, he knows his office is bugged and he's using the
conversations with his mom to, like, plant these fascinating
little, you know, pieces. Yeah, they just, they did such a
great job with it. Yeah, no, you can tell.
(19:17):
Serra's loving it. It's to Tom.
Yeah, My, my, I just, The funny thing, the best thing about this
was you got to see some really good acting chops from the the
from the guy who plays Cyril, OK?
And he keeps everything straight.
And like Steven, you said, he knows he's bugged and he's
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playing it very well. I just, I don't know, I anyway
forget I've lost my train of thought, 'cause I was gonna go
somewhere else. Guys, you're you're, you're
totally right though, Tom, I think you know, Cyril is and and
Kyle seller does a phenomenal job.
Yeah, Kyle Cyril, he does such agreat job.
He, he does and he knows he's, he's kind of being a, a double
agent, right, 'cause he's, he's,he's, he's, he's gone to, to
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Gorman. He's kind of tried to set
himself up as this guy who is. He's kind of down on his luck,
right? It looks like he's been demoted.
If you look into his background,he was clearly fired from his
his job in season 1. As and you know, the ISB has
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kind of gone after him. And so it makes it look like it
makes him look like he's the perfect target for the Gorman
front, right? And like, they don't, they
clearly won't like what, you know, they believe Cyril doesn't
like the ISB and, and that he's,you know, upset about
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everything. And they can kind of play it
like, oh, we're, you know, we believe the ISB is running a
shadow government. It's not the empire that's bad,
it's the ISB that's bad. And and it it gives the he is
playing it such in such a perfect way that that the Gorman
front can approach him and try to get him to to turn and and
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and join them. Well, for happening, right,
Yeah. And, and I think for him, it's
it's the redemption of what happened in the first season or
he did lose his job. Because also remember when he
and Deirdre went in front of the, the main imperial to give a
status update of what's happening on Gorman, He was the
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one that kind of made the recommendation of if I have
given these guys the, the, the, the routes or the transports
that are going through town, youneed to make sure they stay that
way. Because if you're feeding
misinformation that this has to be consistent.
So for him, it's almost like, Ohmy God, I'm actually doing
something and I'm being listenedto compared to the last time I
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tried to do something. Nobody listened to me.
And look what happened. I lost my job.
Now I've got better status and this time within the ISB not
being investigated by the ISISB,I'm actually giving them the
information. It's kind of his dream, right?
He he's got the girl, he's got aa job that's important.
That doesn't really have the girl.
Well, he does. He does.
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I think he definitely. Does I still I still find it.
I still find that that this I just find it fascinating.
I'm sorry. The relationship between the two
of them. Thank you.
You said it, you said it becauseI still I still get back to the
first season when the two of them are standing there and he
saves her and they're staring ateach other.
I remember yelling to myself, don't kiss him, don't kiss her.
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Don't. That would be creepy, but like
the. Team that gets me though in this
arc is he Cyril takes he he takes a trip home sensibly to
see his mother and he gets an hour at I guess his real home.
Whatever whatever you want to call it.
Like with with Deidre, it is theweirdest scene, uncomfortable.
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It was, it was, it was very wellacted, very well written.
Everything was fine. But it made the IT made me
uncomfortable to watch this. It's so well written.
It's so well written. Oh my God.
Yeah, and like, you know, of course the scenes with his his
mother were I love how even the Gorman front or like the mother
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is terrifying. You know that was hilarious.
That line was hilarious. And their their relationship has
totally regressed again after Dedra has not, you know, she she
kind of now they're no longer together.
The mother is not worried, is not terrified about Dedra.
And so she's kind of gone back to her old.
They didn't interpret. It that way William I.
I mean, she's slightly better. I don't know.
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I mean she calls the, he gives her a spider and she names it
after him saying I sure. But I'm just.
Saying he's silent, brooding andhas a disregard for common sense
like. Yeah, I guess, sorry.
I guess the difference is Cyril is much less affected by it now.
Yes. He's still clearly annoyed by
his mother, but he's no longer in this like completely dejected
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state like we saw the first time.
Right, exactly. That is exactly true.
And because he knows like he's on the inside, right?
And he just gets so excited. I love that moment where
Partagaz or Cyril says the Gorman front are experienced but
eager, inexperienced but eager. And Partagaz looks at him and
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says how often those interviews align.
It's so good, like, directing itright at him.
And even later, like Sera tells Deidre, this is the greatest day
of his life. He's just, like, loving every
minute of it. And it's just, it's so good.
It is so, so good. Even though you know, he doesn't
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actually know what's what's really happening.
And to a certain extent, it kind, you kind of feel sorry for
the guy that he knows just a little bit, but you get this
feeling that, yes, he doesn't know enough of what's going on.
And then you're looking at it just going what will happen when
he finally, if at some point he ever figures out there's more to
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this than what Deirdre is actually living on about?
Yep. Before we talk more about Cyril
and the and the the plot on Gorman, though, I do want to
take a moment. Just talk about Gorman in
general and the Gorman front. What did you think of the planet
Gorman? I thought it was, it was
fascinating. It's kind of very fashion
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forward, well designed. It almost sounds like they're
speaking like French, right? It's almost like he took like
Paris or Milan even in Italy andand and tried to have a a Star
Wars planet based on phase. It does give me like heavy
French resistance vibes like. World, thank you.
I was going to say that, yes. They they did a phenomenal job
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with it, I thought. The only thing about it that
kind of bothered me is I just finished the book Mace Windu,
The Glass Abyss. Yes.
And there is the planet, the Togos.
Yeah, that also had fighters. Right.
Yeah, right, right. Yes.
And they also spun a web, so yeah.
And and I'm not sure if it's a web of lies, but they spun webs.
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Yeah, but that was the only thing about it is like, OK, I
understand that many different planets, spider spinning webs.
Why this planet? Well, yeah, this is explained in
the first arc, right? They they.
Yeah, I know, I know. Below the planet there is the
the material they need for the Death Star.
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Right. And and that's.
Why they need Gorman? It has nothing to do with the
spiders and the the silk and everything else that they.
They made to a certain extent, but but to a certain extent,
you're right about that. But it seemed like, wasn't it
the spider silk that ends up because it's a quote UN quote
fashion planet, they're using that spider silk to make the the
oh, yeah, yeah. Or am I wrong about that?
No. You're talking right.
I mean, that's that's what that's what drives the economy
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and the planet is like a it's a single item economy, single
export. They export lots of this fabric,
but the reason the empire wants it has nothing to do with that.
They actually. Want nothing to do with that.
Crust of the planet. But it makes for a really cool.
Place. Yeah, but I just found it
fascinating that now you had twoplants with spiders.
It's been in silk one, one, thatone that seemed like they
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actually needed that spider silkin one meaning the book, and in
the other one they didn't. They wanted the planet.
Right. Exactly.
Yeah. I think it's some cool moments,
right. We got the free souvenir spiders
with, like, secret messages inside.
And it's very like, you know, I think Cyril almost has it.
The Cassian doesn't. He has some, you know, spy
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moments throughout the the season, but Cyril in particular
I think has is kind of doing that cloak and dagger, you know,
infiltrating the Gorman front. And yeah, I thought it was
really cool. Before we discuss the Gorman
front, I do think we should briefly talk about the design
choice to have the Gorman's speak another language, not
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English in the show. And so their dialogue is always
subtitled, which we've seen withcharacters before, whether it's
Jabba the Hutt and Hatties or, you know, other other character
speaking hatties. But I think this is the first
time typically we'll hear like, like Ayla Sakura will have like
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or al Twilio will have like a French accent.
But. They are still speaking English.
The choice to do a a different language and subtitle for the
entire time you're on the planetGorman is a really interesting 1
and I it it definitely felt madethe planet feel a little more
unique than. I think in this case, even you
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did touch on it and even I felt it the same way.
It did make it feel like it was the French resistance.
It made it, it made that, it made it more authentic, what
they were trying to do 'cause even even the clothing almost
had a French feel too. Yeah.
So you got the, you got the passion element or the fashion
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element, you've got the, the kind of literal underground like
it. All the pieces are there, the
radios and all that stuff. Yeah.
Yeah. The, the radios, it just, it
just all, it all worked very well to make that whole
resistance feel right. Yeah.
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For sure, for sure. And, and the Gorman front is,
is, you know, we, we throughout this arc, we're introduced to
Caro Rylands, who is the the leader of the the Gorman front
and his daughter Enza Rylands and we meet Dylan, Sam, Lisa it
I found it a little hard to keeptrack of all of them even after
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multiple rewatches, right, like Dylan Sam and like Lisa, I know
Dylan and Sam are like really easy to get confused.
I think Sam has the longer hair,but I think they're they're
they're fine characters. I wouldn't I, I like the dad
quite a bit. Caro and even his daughter Enza
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was, was was good. I think the other ones are a
little more like they they just needed they needed to be there
for the story, but we're get spend less time with them as as
characters. But you know, throughout the
arc, we see them, you know, approach Cyril, Cyril that
attends a secret meeting where, you know, there's all sorts of
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you really get to see the unrestin the city, right.
And how many people on the planet and how many people are
upset about the empire building the Armory and are, are
struggling and, and their businesses are, are going under.
And, you know, that's, or it's casting a shadow of the
memorial. And we'll, we'll talk more about
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the, the monument to the fallen and, and the, the massacre.
I think an upcoming episode thisseason and how the the series
really does a great job of weaving together the Gorman
massacre and the various versions of it we've heard over
the years. And so I like how they did that
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too. I think the thing I liked most
throughout these episodes is it really we get to see the Gorman
front start from the beginning, almost like you can tell they're
in experience and route. You know, these episodes and
we'll get to Cassian's kind of role in just a moment.
We get to see them start to you know, develop and figure out
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what where they fit into, you know the the Galaxy wide events
that are ongoing. Yeah, actually let's let's talk
about that for a moment. You mentioned Cassian Lutheran
rail or decides they need to go send someone to Gorman.
Supervisor Lonnie he has anotherclandestine meeting with
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Lutheran and tells him that Deidre secretly running Gorman
and they don't really know why, but she's kind of moved on from
Axis and is is working on Gormanand that is like a signal to
them that oh something's something's up And Lutheran
wants to send Cassian, but he's of course reticent to go with
Vix's condition. This is before, you know, they
take out Doctor Gorst. But eventually, eventually
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Lutheran or Cassian decides, no,OK, I'm actually going to, I'm
actually going to go and, and entered and meet the, these,
these the Gorman front. And so he goes down to Gorman
under, you know, under the, you know, guise of a, of a designer
who is a fashion designer, Varian Skye, who's, you know,
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visiting Gorman for the first time.
And he starts to meet these rebels and kind of comes away
with the impression that they'renot, they're not very
experienced and he doesn't thinkthey can actually help them.
They're not ready yet. And, and it's a huge point of
contention with Lutheran. I think it was plain as day when
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he was approached at the bar or at the restaurant by the I
forgot her name because it is somany people and so many so hard
to keep track. But he even sat there and said,
look, you know, you, you're, you're playing this too loose.
You're this, you're that. And he, he literally broke down
exactly what she was doing wrong.
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And I believe he even sat there and said that I think this is
the point where she sat there and said even if he was being,
he knew he was being followed aswell, right?
Well, it's like you, you guys are so inexperienced.
It's almost like it's not worth my time because you guys are
just not ready. And he picked it out really
quick. Yeah, and and yet Luthan doesn't
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really seem to care. He's like, no, I, I, I Gorman is
too valuable to a big planet. Like Gorman wants to go to the
May, May may start to to revolt against the Empire even if they
fail right? He's willing to sacrifice the
planet to make a statement to the Galaxy that hey, if Lutheran
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would not Lutheran if if if the Gorman's would rebel, then why
shouldn't you? 2 type of thing.
Well what when it came to Lutheran and watching things
burn because I think he even satthere and said that it'll burn.
Didn't in the first episode he did set up one of the resistance
factions instead of doing it to Saw Guerrera.
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That resistance faction was walking into a trap and Luther
knew that was the case and let it happen anyway.
When I think Saw Saturn said whydon't we tell them and Luther
was like no though Lutheran basically if it blows up, it
blows up. Yeah, yeah.
He doesn't care 'cause he, he wants kind of for the, his, in
his mind, the the greater good for the, for the, for the
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rebellion. But I, I did like seeing the
whole sequence with Cassian undercover on Gorman, right?
And how we saw, you know, in the, in the trailers, like them
wearing characters, wearing likefancy suits and like, why are
they all dressed up like this 'cause they're trying to be, you
know, Cassian's a fashion designer and, and Cyril's
working at the, you know, high level position on, on Gorman.
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And, you know, we, it's fun to see Cassian, you know, like
checking into the hotel and, and, you know, doing his spy
thing, right, meeting Carl Rylands.
And it's, I, I liked the sequence quite a bit.
I, I like seeing Cassian undercover, even if he
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ultimately came away with the impression that, no, these these
people are far from ready. We should not engage.
Yeah. And.
Of course, sorry, I was glad. Of course, Lutheran doesn't take
that or an answer no. No.
He has backups, right? You don't need.
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You don't. You don't need.
He doesn't need Cassian. And so instead he sends Val
Sartha, Mon Mothma's sister. I'm sorry, sister, cousin.
And the return of Sinta Kaz as well.
We we see Sinta Kaz again. It's the first time Sinta and
Val apparently have seen each other in two years.
I guess Sinta's had an accident.She didn't want to tell Val and
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that's why she disappeared for so long.
Honestly, it kind of feels more like a maybe like an actor
scheduling thing than anything else.
I don't believe. But you know, the the two of
them play a, a fairly major rolein this episode until, well, I
mean, we can just kind of get straight to it when they they
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attack the convoy and Scinta hasa very quick death when things
go wrong and she's she's shot. Probably the one of the most
shocking things I think in this arc and specifically but like
certainly on the show thus far. Out of nowhere, right?
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It happens out of nowhere. It's not even imperial happens.
It's it's another guy that you know, was at the the meeting
that Cyril went to. Like he seems to not be happy
with the Empire and it's just the two of them fighting causes
not make it. And it, and it was like a, you
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know, the one of the, the, I think you actually see in this,
in this whole sequence just how inexperienced the, the gore are,
right? They, you know, Val explicitly
tells them you follow orders or you're out.
And only the only Val and I are going to or felons are going to
carry weapons because carry blasters because they don't
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trust everyone. And even Sinta correctly points
out that Drina, the driver shouldn't the getaway driver
probably shouldn't be, probably would not be able to do the job.
And instead, you know, of course, she turns out she's
totally right. During the operation, like an
old lady approaches and Drina tries to help her and leaves her
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post. And then one of the the
civilians, Lazine kind of comes up and he's he's somewhat
tangentially involved the Gormanfront, but not in on the
operation. He notices something going on
and starts to cause a commotion and he has a a tussle with Sam
who accidentally shoots him. Except it goes wide and boom,
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hits Senta and that's, that's the end of Senta.
And, and the operation does go well.
And it's a cool sequence, right where they it, it, it reminds me
a lot of the heist sequence in season 1, right where they're
trying to get the, the stuff offthe off the transport and tie
all the weapons, the rates of weapons and get them out of the
ship thanks to the Intel they got from Cyril.
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But yeah, it goes very very wrong and and Scinta dies.
And I think the, the part that makes it so riveting is when
Bell sits there, looks at the guy who did it and says, you
know, in very strong words. And she's really trying to hold
it in, but like, this will live with you.
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And, and it's like, don't cry. I think she was like, don't cry.
Look at me. Look at.
But it's like this. You cannot wash this away.
This will always be with you. And I think she may have said
this may have been the first, but it won't be the last, you
think? Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to,
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she's trying to steal them for what he knows is to come, like,
you know. That's right, That's right.
Because and she's got to deal with it, but she's sitting there
trying to show them. You've got to move on about
this. You won't like it, you're going
to wear it and it's never going to go away.
But if this is what you want, you've got to move forward or
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get out. Yeah, very, very surprising and
and shocking, but. It shows.
That anyone can die in this, youknow, we we saw Brazo's last
arc, Scinta bites it this time it's and ever anyone is is in is
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in danger and that's kind of makes makes it exciting.
It's the last season and there'sso many characters and we many
will might might survive and many might die.
We don't really know right wherethey all are in the time of
Rogue One. It it doesn't often times like
fans are like, oh, to me say everyone has to die because we
don't see him and say, well, notnecessarily, but it doesn't mean
they don't have to live either, right?
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There's there's a you never really know what's what's gonna
happen with these, these characters.
But yeah, it's a it's a really interesting moment.
And I, I just love how the wholetime major part of Gaz and, and,
and Deidre and Cyril are they'rewatching, they're, they're
keeping an eye on things and they, they're saying, oh, don't,
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don't send in those reinforced. OK, now send them in right now.
Send in the troops. Make make sure they go in loud.
So the rebel, you know, the Gorman front has had plenty of
time to get away. It's it's really cool.
Really, well, it seems like it seems like the Gorman front has
to have a couple wins just to make it, just to make them feel
like they've got a handle on this.
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They're getting experience. We're going to take down the
Empire and it's literally setting them up to we're going
to come in and the Empire is going to come down and squash
you guys like gnats when you don't expect it.
Yep. Exactly.
Yeah. Yeah.
So, yeah, that's the that's the that's where the Gorman front
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storyline ends. We don't see the Gorman massacre
in this arc, so I can only imagine it's going to happen
sometime later this season. There's six more episodes before
the end. Who knows how the Gorman
massacre will come into play, but they're definitely setting
things up. I thought overall, like the
planet Gorman was, was pretty cool and I'm excited to see
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where they take things in the next two arcs.
But man, there's still, there's still more to talk about.
We haven't even touched on Mon Mothma's storyline and and
Claya's storyline in these two, three episodes.
So let's see, I guess it starts with in the first episode of
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this arc, Mon Mothma is she's kind of struggling.
She's kind of struggling, right?She's she's really trying to
rescind the PORD, the public order resentencing directive we
saw implemented in in Season 1 and it's been in still in effect
two years after it was an act despite never having supposing
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to have supposed to be, you know, it wasn't supposed to ever
be permanent, but it it it's still in effect.
But she cannot get enough senators to back her and it's
getting really challenging. Even the senator from Gorman,
Senator Dasi Oran, is like, I don't know, like it's like, you
know, the empire's frame it as like security measures.
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She's having a lot of a lot of trouble.
Sorry. Yeah.
I mean, we're, we are seeing theeffects that the emperor and the
empire is having on the Senate at this point.
You know, like everyone is kind of watching out for their own
interests. They don't want to draw
attention to themselves. And it kind of leaves Maan
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Mothma and maybe another friendly face, although we'll
get to that in a moment, Kind ofleading the charge, as it were.
Yes, exactly, exactly and me. Not OK.
Now wait a minute, wait a minute.
Is that I'm not going to go there yet.
But it's that friendly face really leading the charge or
kind of sitting there pushing her a little bit but staying
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back a bit. We'll, we'll, we'll come to
that, Tom. We'll come to.
That, yeah, I know. I know.
But the, the, the, the that's Monmouth's storyline is, is, is
pretty minimal. I think in the first episode
when we get to be, she had a a ton of time in the first arc.
When we get to the second episode of this arc, we see it's
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a I'd say it's a phenomenal intro, right?
In season 1, the Andor theme would change ever so slightly
with every single episode whenever we saw the Andor logo.
It's really cool this one. They have the most unique 1 yet,
where instead of being like a take on the Andor theme, we
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actually hear the Andor theme interspersed with other
communications over a radio. As if like Clea is scrubbing
through stations trying to find something interesting.
We hear stations from Ryloth Corelia, Skuldin's own radio
station. They a Hut, maybe Java, not
really sure you know people, people having various
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conversations and it's as the and our logo is there.
It's like scrubbing through it transitions into Clay and
Luthan's shop, scrubbing throughthe calm, the radio stations and
it's it's AI Love that it was a really creative way to start the
episode. It's very resistance, very like
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back in World War 2 when you hadlike a radio broadcast and I
think at one point you did hear something like a thing that was
like, I'm gonna throw this out there 'cause I've heard it many
times when it comes to World War2 movies, it's like a thing or
one of those like a chair against the wall type thing.
Meaning that's like a code thingthat came out there, right?
So it was very well done. Yeah, it's really cool.
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And. And while she's listening, she
discovers that, well, she overhears Davos Scolden talking
with his assistant Mishko. Apparently she has a a bug in
his office and is able to listenin.
And one of the items in his art,you know, ancient artifacts
collection, the Corio chalice, is a forgery.
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And he is furious. And he has he decides to
carefully re inspect and recertify everything in his
collection, including the Tiniancodex, which hides Clea's secret
listening device. And if they don't do something
quickly, their the bug is going to be discovered.
And the only person who could have planted that bug was the
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person who sold him the artifact.
Good ol Lutheran rail. And that just sets off alarm
bells with Clea and Lutheran. They have to get rid of that bug
before Lutheran for Davos Skulden finds it.
It's, it's a really cool sequence.
I I I love it. Fantastic sequence and it I
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really liked how it put kind of clay into the spotlight for a
lot of this arc as well, her relationship with Luthan.
And like, it's like I had a likethrough this arc and even the
previous arc, I always felt likeLuthan was like not quite as
awesome as he was in the first season.
Not that he wasn't like present and doing stuff, but he didn't
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have some of those like stand out moments, you know, like the
ship moment with his Hulk craft.This, this.
The sequence, particularly whereClay is trying to replace the
bug, had all the tension of someof the great Lutheran scenes
from the first season, like Chuck Nominal.
Oh yeah, yeah. Like just the fact that, well,
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yeah, I mean, at that party, right, we have Director Chronic
there, we have Mon Mothma. There's a whole bunch of people
at this this party that they've they've gone to at the galaxy's
Opera House, actually at Davos Golden's party.
It's cool to see the the galaxy's Opera House back again
from, of course, episode 3. You know, a bunch of the ISB
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officers got an invite. Mon Mothma's there, Lutheran
director Krennick Claya, right? All the the who's who of Corus
Santi Elite. And there's a moment when dad
was like, yeah, come see my collection.
He takes everyone the select review back into his private
room. And they they start looking at
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the different artifacts. And while Clea is trying to
secretly remove the bug and likeyou said, Steven, it is, there's
so much tension and she's using Lonnie as like, cover so they
can't see him. I can't see her like working
away, like actually cutting her hand.
She's so struggling so hard to get it out.
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It is, it is beautifully shot and acted and, and just so much
so, so much tension. I think what adds to the tension
is the actor who is playing Lonnie.
It was just like even just like he's freaking out.
I was like, what are you doing here?
And she just grabs him saying, you know what, you're going to
come with me. You're going to do exactly what
I say. And right now it's going to look
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like I'm flirting with you. So just enjoy this until we get
over to this thing that you're going to help me by way of
standing in front of me while I try and do this.
So you're not going to be drawing attention to me.
And the whole time, you could tell that there was like, sweat
on his brow, just like, and she's like, you need to do this.
And then you've got Luthan in the background watching all
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this, the same kind of tension. I mean, just incredible.
Right, And even in the previous episode, right, just seeing
Luthan almost start to lose it and, and normally he and Clea
are like he's very calm and collected and he's always like
on Clea's side. And and you know, when she tells
them they have to remove the bug, right?
He just starts to almost freak out and be like, it was too big
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of a risk and why do we do this?And what what are we doing?
We're like causing ourselves more.
He starts to like spiral on saying all the lies and the
secrets are catching up with him.
It's really interesting to see even Lutheran have like a a
crisis of faith in almost and like can I even do this?
I think the thing that caught meis when you're saying he was
having that, that, that moment he even sat there and said that
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they were having, he was having a big, big problem processing
all the information that was coming in from all the different
rebel groups. And now this is thrown on top of
it to where I've got this guy. And I think even questioned why
did we put a microphone in this place to begin with in the this
guy's collection after all the years we've been sitting here
(50:43):
with that. I think he said something about
like 2 years. It's been in there for two
years. Reverse nothing until now.
Now all of a sudden because of absolutely no reason, we're not
getting any valuable informationfrom this guy.
We have to remove this thing so we don't get caught because we
have too much information. They got some things and they
got you know, you are in lying and the Holland News buyout and
Scolden court in the grand visor.
(51:05):
I love all those little Easter eggs too, right?
Like just you learn or the fact that the Holland News has been
bought out presumably by the empire, right.
So they're starting to control the the spread of the news and
it's Yeah, it's interesting. I love the.
But I think for his case, for his case, he was saying it was
just too much information for them to filter out.
And it's like, yes, those are great little Nuggets, but it
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seemed like those little Nuggetsweren't big enough because he
even, I believe he did question,even though those are good
Nuggets, why that microphone wasin there to begin with.
Yeah. Exactly.
Exactly one that we didn't coveris on the way to the party, we
learned that it's what's called Vestry week.
And we actually Vesti week, sorry.
(51:45):
And we actually see a almost like a, a Good Morning America
style, a radio program and and Cyril's mom's house and Edie
Karns house. But you know, but apparently
this is the week where all the new senators are coming in.
They're hosting parties and everyone's like, oh, we have to
go to all these. This is annoying.
(52:06):
You know, it's a, it's a nice little moment.
It gives a little more texture into how the Senate works and,
and how the, how things are, areoperating these days.
Or even the fact that there's this, this new guy, the Oath
Keeper in the Senate who leads everyone in a, in a, in a Senate
in a recitation of the Pledge ofAllegiance.
(52:26):
It's some some nice moments and then I didn't really mean to
save this for the end, but I guess I guess we're gonna we're
gonna talk about this last Mon Mothma on her way into the party
that we talked about where they,you know, steal the retrieve the
bug walks by Bail Argana. He he's coming out of the party
(52:47):
as they're going in. You know, he's like, he and Brie
have split up to come cover a bunch of parties.
It is so cool to see Bail Argana.
Except, and this is what I don'tget, here we are.
I know here we. Go.
Here we go. Where the heck is Jimmy Smits?
He is played by Benjamin Bratt. They recast Bale Organa.
How can you? There had to have been a reason.
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There had OK, I'm this OK, I'm sorry, I'm jumping on this right
now. There had to have been a reason
I would rather not. Have Bale Organa, why are you
recasting him? OK, you know what?
And this is where you're gonna jump all over me.
I I think they casted the best actor for that job.
If they couldn't get Jimmy Smits, who else could have
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pulled that off? I thought he did the best job he
could from a character that you all have to say is very iconic
with the Star Wars universe because how many films has he
really been in? OK, how many times has he
actually shown up within the Star Wars universe?
He was in episodes 1-2 and threehe.
Was I know that Kenobi, I know that I'm.
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Pretty sure he even reprised hisrole in Rebels at one point.
Like. I I believe so too you.
Couldn't get Jimmy Smith. It was a 5 minute sequence you
couldn't get. Jimmy, it was a 5.
It depends on the guy. If he could have been sick, he
could have been, you know, on a different job.
He could have been on a cruise. He might have been on an
airplane. They couldn't have been able to
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get it to. His schedule and film it some
other point you can make it just.
They, they, you know what? Put it this way, they could have
done it CG. They've done many, many things
by way of doing just a guy with motion capture and put his face
on a different actor. They did it with Luke Skywalker,
with Tarkin, I would say. You said yes, let's do it.
But but I'm gonna say this, I think for the actor that they
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got OK, I think Benjamin Bratt did a good job for what he was.
I still think he kept enough of the character.
I don't think he did really anything different to make it
not feel like it wasn't Bale or gonna OK, I I got to give him
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that kind of props. And I can tell both of you are
seething and want me to just saystop and I want to hear your
your color. I'm gonna.
Be a very prayer, OK? Let me just let me step into
children. Let me separate.
You. Hey.
Look, I'm an I'm an old fart between the two of you, so.
Obviously I would have loved to have seen Jimmy Smits in the
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role. I thought Benjamin Bratt did a
good job. Yes.
I don't think it's that big a deal.
I can understand being disappointed, yes.
It didn't bother me. The only thing I will say I
found funny is I felt like they kept saying his name.
Because they. Knew people wouldn't recognize
him that's why they walk into like hi bail, hi senator.
(55:41):
I got like they said it multipletimes just to make sure.
No, this is bail like because, because it's interesting to me
that Lucasfilm didn't even announce it.
Like I feel like if it was JimmySmith's making a surprise
entrance, like, Oh, great, that's awesome.
Nice surprise. If you're going to recap
someone, at least tell people ahead of time.
Like, hey, you know, like I don't know for for me, and I'll
(56:01):
just two seconds and then and then I'll just I'll I'll ignore
it. Maybe tell we'll see.
I I can't make any promise. I won't bring it up again.
But I was going to say the you know, the IT it makes sense to
me. Sometimes you have to recast,
right, You have to recast when going from like live action to
animation or animation to live action doesn't always, you know,
(56:21):
the same actor can't always translate.
You have to recast when going doing a time jump, like, you
know, Jake Lloyd to Hayden Christensen for Anakin.
You have to or I feel like the actor is like way too old now,
right. You like Al Guinness and Ewan
McGregor, right? Obviously those are very or like
(56:43):
large age jumps or the actor is like aged out way too much at
this point where just literally doesn't make any sense.
I feel like especially since Jimmy Smith's was Justin Kenobi,
you know, you can't really make the case that, oh, he was, he's
too old to play the part now or something.
That is where I started. I went to look up and I was
(57:03):
like, oh, he was Justin Kenobi. Fine.
Yeah. I'm assuming there was some
other conflict. And the and the last one is like
someone dies, right? That's obviously a big one.
Where like with bail and skull, right?
Unfortunately, sadly, the you know, Ray Stevenson passed away.
If you either have to write him out or do something digitally or
(57:24):
recast or something, right? You have no choice but for
something where like Jimmy Smitsis so associated with Bale
Organa and I feel like you got him back for Kenobi, you got him
back for all these other things you couldn't give him back for.
For Andor. It's like the one weird thing of
like you can bring back all these other characters
(57:45):
throughout Andor but he's the one you have to recast and
probably the most notable 1. I.
I, I, I it it it. Bothered me I I Benjamin.
Brad did a great job for what hehad.
To do? Yes, he did.
But I still think it was a mistake to recast him.
That's my, that's where I, I, I will.
We'll finish. Then then they then they would
have probably have had to write him out of this episode
(58:09):
definitely and maybe any other episode he was going to appear
in. I I'm sure he had to be a
scheduling conflict or maybe he was like, you're Lucas, you can,
you can pay him enough to get him in.
Just clearly you could afford itfor Kenobi.
Just make it work for and, or itmust have been a scheduling
thing or something. It was just a bit of a bummer
for me. It was the one they actually
took me out of the episode. I was like, instead of being
excited about Bill or I was like, why did they recast him?
(58:32):
You know, and I spent too long thinking about that instead of
enjoying the episode. So that's my two cents.
I know it's not the end of the world, but.
It's kind of, I will still say Ithink he did the best job he
could. I don't think he did anything
(58:53):
different than maybe Jimmy Smith's would have done.
And I don't see any other actor out there that could have
possibly pulled this off better than him.
That's fair. I I will agree with that.
He did a great job that probablywas the best.
Choice and and he he still had that air of bail Organa yeah for
(59:17):
sure you know yeah and again it's such a.
Short sequence anyway, like. I know.
He like walks by. He's like, hey, hey, how you
doing in like 30? Seconds.
Yeah. A couple high fives and you walk
away. I mean done.
That's part of what made it moreannoying in subways, but.
It's a couple high fives and he walks away.
I thought it was funny. Just kidding.
Like. Why you bring him in at that
(59:37):
point anyway? Yes.
I don't know. Well, is there anything else
we've we've forgotten to mentionso far?
I I think we've, we've pretty well covered.
The second I feel like we have as well.
I, I think, I think we're prettygood.
Tom, you want to go 1st and do the ratings for the the three
(59:57):
episodes? I am going to do the ratings and
I will tell you I'm going to give this all as a whole.
I'm giving the episodes a nine. I mean this is.
The hardest thing about this we're.
Doing individually though, you got to give.
Each individual. Overall, but we're doing
individual too, so. OK.
All right. Then I am going to say at nine
(01:00:21):
across the board, OK, this, thisis what's going to be very hard
about this. This is such a very strong show.
It's going to be very hard to sit there and really get into
the nitpick to knock anything lower than I'm going to say
lower than an 8, which I doubt it's even going to go that low
because the writing, the acting,the cinematography, nothing so
(01:00:48):
far has made me sit there and say why, Why are you doing this?
I'm bored. I with all these episodes at
this point, I have been on the edge of my seat and I've enjoyed
it like you would not believe. And and I don't want to be the
Homer. I really want to sit here and
(01:01:09):
try and nitpick, but it's kind of hard when you're seeing
really good those though, I'm giving them straight across the
board 9. I I loved this.
I cannot wait for everybody to see the rest of them because I
feel that right now, out of the Star Wars shows that have been
(01:01:32):
on the air, this is right now myfavorite of the Star Wars series
that have been on air. They are outstandingly written,
acted, directed and just cinematography wise.
I, I, I enjoy all of them, though they're not across the
board for all three of these episodes.
That's fair, Steven. Yep.
(01:01:54):
Yeah, I mean, I have the same problem with Tom, honestly.
Like the things I didn't like about, you know, this arc
primarily the Saw kind of piecesare they're throughout like you,
you get a little bit of each one.
So it's, I have trouble differentiating them 'cause
they, they really do hang together as like a single
overall story. But I, I think I'm also going to
(01:02:15):
do this one in nine. I think Saw was probably the
biggest like that. That arc didn't really land for
me. The rest of it was phenomenal.
And yeah, like my, what about that 27 womp rats, I guess
total, You know, they are, they're actually forming A
resistance to like there's the, the Gorman front, you know, the
(01:02:37):
resistance of the Empire. And then the, the womp rats are
actually a secondary even deeperresistance.
They, you know, they have deep cover just to make sure they can
really start doing the deed against the Empire.
OK, you know I forgot to do something with my womp rats.
I didn't. Well, what are?
You What are you doing though? No, this is weird.
(01:03:03):
What am I going to do with my 27womp rats?
OK, I'll let I'll let you think.About it.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I got it, I got it, I got it. My 27 womp rats are going to
once Leah gets that little little the listening device out
of the relic at the party and they leave the building.
(01:03:26):
As a last thing that happens here you have Lutheran go back
and release 27 womp rats into the place that just have the
place go. Total chaotic mess inside there
is a joke just so they can get away cleanly.
So you did see them walk away, but it was the 27 womp rats that
(01:03:46):
actually masked their getaway. Nice.
I like it. Yeah, I.
Like it? There you go.
Yeah, that just leaves me. I, I mean overall, yes, the
episodes are just so good. They're so good.
I I loved it and or has just continued to be just phenomenal
(01:04:06):
so far. I do think as kind of with
season one, the first two episodes kind of build up and
then the last one is like the the, the best of the of the
trilogy. And so for that reason, I think
I'll give the 1st 2 episodes 8.5and then followed by a nine.
I think, as you said, Steven, I,I agree with you.
(01:04:27):
The, the, the woman arc didn't make a ton of sense.
And although it wasn't bad, it just wasn't again, my favorite.
And then, you know, the, the final episode was just
phenomenal with the tension and,and trying to steal the, the,
you know, retrieve the, the bug in time.
Honestly, I, I would give it a, you know, a 9.5 probably, but
(01:04:50):
you know, Baylor Ghana really drops at like 5 points.
So I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But no, I think I'm going to
give it a 99 womp rats for the, the finale overall, just so good
for let's see my 26 womp rats. You know, they actually, they
actually help spin the the Gorman silk and, and that's how
(01:05:11):
the Gorman's are so productive and and make so much of the silk
'cause they have a giant team ofwomp rats in the backroom just
working away. So yeah, I think that wraps it
up man. Another fantastic arc of Andor.
This is just keeps getting better.
(01:05:31):
And. Better and I cannot wait to hear
what everyone thinks and and discuss it with all of you.
I I can't wait until we start seeing all just everybody
watches this and we start seeingall the reaction of basically
the general public who gets to see this.
(01:05:51):
Just I cannot wait to see how people react to this.
I really can't. It is so, yeah.
Well, wanna thank you all for listening.
This was a really fun one as usual, and we'll be back next
week with our review of the third episode third arc.
Sorry, excuse me of Andor. The show is just, we're halfway
(01:06:13):
through where it's just blazing through, but it's.
Amazing. So good.
You know, guys, I, I think Gorman's going to come out all
right. I look forward to that next
week. What could go wrong, right?
What could go wrong? In in some cases that could be
famous last words. You never know.
And with that, actually, I thinkwe'll make that as our our last
(01:06:34):
words. Thank you all for listening and
may the Force be with you. Thank you for listening to the
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