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Welcome to the Iron Cannon podcast.
I'm one of your hosts, Steven, and I'm joined by my friends and
Coast, Tom and William. And it is kind of sad, but we
are here at the end of Andor Season 2.
We're reviewing the last ARC today.
Oh yes, this has been a phenomenal run.
It's it's only four weeks long because we're getting 3 episodes
a week, but it is so cool to geta Star Wars mini movie every

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single week. It is so, so, so good.
I think let's just dive into it because yeah, we are.
We are recording these episodes in advance, so there's no news
to cover right now. So let's just dive in.
Tom, what are we? Discussing Well, we are
discussing and or Season 2 episodes 10 through 12.
It is the last arc of the season.

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These were directed by Alonzo Ruiz Palacio and written by Tom
Bissell in this arc and OR comesto a thrilling conclusion
leading straight into the eventsof Rogue One.
It's really sad that we are at this point of the show, but I

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will have to say I do appreciatehow it does lead right into
Rogue One. Yes, yes, we are just one year
away from Rogue 11 BBY and A NewHope.
But this episode is completely different from the rest of the
series. The first episode of the season

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episode of this arc, episode 10.And it is it is so good.
It is all about Luthan and Cleo.We finally get more back story
in Luthan told through a series of present day and flashbacks
back to when Luthan and Cleo meet and let's you know well,
let's let's start with the the present and we'll jump into the

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flashbacks and then and then talk about the kind of how that
wraps up. So Supervisor Lonnie Jung, our
our secret rebel plant in the ISB, requests an emergency
meeting with Luthan. So they meet at the Senate
Plaza, which apparently that's where everything happens these
days. We see the Senate Plaza a lot in
this season. And Clay urges him, you know,

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don't go if it doesn't look perfect.
But Luthan knows like they've they can't, they can't rely on
perfect anymore. And they meet and Lonnie tells
Lutheran that they're putting that Deidre Miro is putting
together A-Team for an operationon Coruscant and she's coming
for Lutheran. And that's when he also reveals

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he's been burned and he's discovered something huge.
Apparently he's had Deidre Miro's code cert for a year and
last night he didn't want to useit.
But last night he finally did. And he he got it, went into her,
her, her computer, her private storage system.
And he discovered all sorts of things about a new weapon the

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Empire is building. They don't.
He doesn't. I don't think he actually names
it. But of course, we all know it as
Project Stardust or better knownas the Death Star.
He says the emperor's energy program.
It's a lie. They're building a secret
weapon. That's why they're strip mining
on Gorben. They're looking on for kyber
crystals on Jetta. They're they're cracking down
across the Galaxy with the public order resentencing

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directive and labor camps. Everything we've seen over the
last, you know, couple seasons in rogue one.
He even drops scariff and director chronic and how and
Galen Urso has is working on this like I was blown my jaw was
on the floor how much he knew and how much he was telling
Lutheran at this point before weeven get to Jin Urso and a

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message from her father that leads to the discovery of the
Death Star. Even Colonel Lauren just found
out about this like a month ago.It is shocking to see how much
he knows and how much he shares and it is such a great sequence.
What did you guys think I. Again, another Luthen does such
a good job like in the last arc we had is, you know, discussion
with Maan Mothma. Now we have this discussion with

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Lonnie. He puts so much menace, almost
like seriousness into every scene.
He does like this. And we'll come back to this
later, But I also really appreciate how all of this is
possible because of the the scrappiness of dead Ramira as a

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refusal to stop looking for access and to pull all these
threads together and ultimately making it possible for this to,
you know, for them to find out all this information.
And what? Well, you could even argue
looking for. She's also a very curious, much
to her detriment, as we'll discuss later in these news arc.

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But yeah, it's and like, and he and Lonnie knows, like he found
out so much information. He would be dead if he would
already be dead if the Empire knew he knew it.
And and that's. Why he was going, yeah, he was
going to Lutheran because he waslike, look, I'm burned.
I have a wife, I have a child. I want to get out of here.
You need to extract me, like now.

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And. Lutheran says he'll be safe when
he even. Yeah.
And instead, poor Lonnie ends upwith a blaster in the chest.
A blaster burn. We know Lutheran is brutal and
that he's willing to do anythingto keep a secret, but my
goodness. Like taking out his own ISP mole

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to keep the secret. Poor guy Lonnie did.
He risks so much and just ended up dead and.
And to be found out, to be foundout dead on a park bench by a
loft cat, that's so great. I mean, that was, that was what
I'm like. Oh my God, It's got a leash too.
Yeah, yeah. I just the the one, the one

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thing that I just, I guess with these three episodes, Luther
knew that it was the end was coming that even he said
himself, it's like they they can't sit here and and be timid
anymore. They're going to have to take
chance because the end is comingAnd he knew it.
And he had to do this with Lonnie.
He had absolutely no choice. There was no way he was going to

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go meet him down in the bowels of Coruscant like he's done the
last two times. If this is important, he's going
to have to do it now. And because it was so important
and everything basically is unraveling.
Sadly, Lonnie is one of the loose ends that instead of
taking him off to the planet, which he did say again Planet
Yavin, he decided to get rid of this loose end and then let it

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hopefully not lead back to him. Yeah, Yep.
But it's still just so I, I knewwe'd have to go and lead into
Rogue One, but I thought that would be like Cassian getting us
to Rogue one. I didn't think we'd actually get
mentions of and maybe like, because they how can the secret
leak beforehand, right? It can't they or, or or can it,

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you know, I I think that's the most surprising thing about how
Andor ends. But before we get to that, we'll
talk more about that the you know, he Lutheran takes out
Lonnie Jung and he passes the information on the clay who
memorizes it, right? Gorman scariff Kyber, Krenek
Galen or so super weapon base and scariff fuel from Gorman

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kyber from Jetta ISP. Like it's just still just get
chills listening to it, you know, talking about it now
because all the details they need to know are out.
They they have all of the crucial information to find out
about the Death Star and Lutheran sends, you know, he
says he sends Clay to the safe house that Cassie has stayed on,

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you know, for throughout the season while he goes back to his
shop, the galactic antiquities of and objects of interest to
burn the calm system, the fractal radio.
And it's midway through destroying the fractal radio as
he's burning it, pouring, you know, like a liquid onto it that
just destroys the calms that thedoorbell chimes.

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And Dedra Miro is at the door. It's just terrifying to see
Dedra show up. Steven, your thoughts on Dedra?
Just walked in the door I loved.This sequence so this is one of
those cases and we'll talk aboutthis in this episode in
particular a couple times, but Ihave been a little disappointed
that we didn't have some of the great Lutheran moments that we

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had in the first season throughout the show.
We had this the scene with Mon Mothma I thought was really
good. The scene with Lonnie is good.
But this from this scene in particular is the one that I
just loved where it's you know, 9995% that this is the result
like this is Dedra coming to getLutheran, but you're not 100%

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Lutheran can't be sure. And so this conversation they
have about artifacts and these various, you know, various
things where they're, they're faking it.
And you can tell Dedra's so damnsmug about it.
And that moment where she finally puts the what do you get
the the starcaster? What was it called?

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The star path unit? Yes, star path unit.
Yes, from season one, from season 1 where you're just like,
Nope, the gig is up and Lutheranstands when he sees the star
path unit hit the table and he knows Oh, that's that's what
started all. That's how he met Cassian.
That's how she goes on to him and was going after Axis and
it's just like, oh, Oh no. It's just the the, the verbal

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sparring between the two, the writing was just in common.
It's well, the one thing I really loved is Lutheran
basically gets into his antiquity salesmanship until he
realizes he's caught and then you just see that whole veneer
just drop and it's just like that cold blooded Lutheran when

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he realizes the jig is up and it's done.
And Dedra's like, yeah, I I've jumped to this moment for a long
time. I know your axis.
You've been hiding on croissant all along.
And he's just like, hardly seemsfair.
And I think this makes sense. It's like and, and and you
disgust me that you've been herethis long under, under the
emperor's nose. You disgust me.
It's, it's a feeling you got from her.
But I didn't mean to cut you off.

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You were saying something. I was gonna say I the other
thing I really appreciate is, and I'm I'm curious how much of
this is connected to Dendra losing Cyril.
Like if she if that is really starting to put her off the
path, like we'd we don't know how long she has been basically

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like hacking imperial files to try and find access.
I suspect it happened after Gorman and it is part of her
downward spiral. But she confronts Luther alone.
Like we know there we now like as soon as the scene ends we
know that there are more imperial troopers around, but

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then to put the star path unit to reveal what she knows and
then to turn away from Lutheran is so dumb.
Especially when he calls a, he calls attention to a knife.
Like the like she. Yeah, yeah.
I she the that imperial cockiness, the the assumption

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that I have found you. I've revealed that I found you.
The rest of this is gonna be fine.
Is it's so dumb. And it's, it's her downfall.
It's her, it's her biggest. She's been going after him for
so long and she's so proud of herself that when she sees some
smoke in the back of the building and she gets distracted
for a moment and Luthan just stabs himself in the chest and

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it's. Not even just that, I think,
'cause I felt I'd have. Now I have to go back and
rewatch. But even before the smoke,
Luthan turns away from her. Yeah, yeah, why would you not?
Like, yeah, yeah, you should be watching that man's hand like
you. You should never have done it
this way in the 1st place, to beclear, but like.
But but even like I said, he pulls out a knife and calls

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attention to it and she still turns her back.
And then yes, she doesn't look. She she doesn't even look at him
because even he turns his back to her.
It's just. It's amazing.
It's beautifully shot, though. It is beautifully shot and I
think she shows that it it, while it's not the smartest move

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on Deja's part, it makes complete logical.
I, I, I'd make sense she would be so caught up in herself and
also just thrown off exactly, you know, from like Cyril's
death and everything. And she's so furious and so
upset that when she finally finds her target, she wants that
moment to gloat. She was right.
She found him. And it's all not just her, her

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finding him, but she's like proven to all of The Imperials
as well that she can do that. She found it.
It wasn't, you know, she was pulled off of Axis, but she
still found him. She, she, she completed her
mission. And in doing so, she takes her
eyes off the prize And and just.Yeah.
Just just ruins it all. And when Luther stabs himself, I

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thought he was dead. I was sure he was dead.
I. Yeah.
I felt a little bit mixed. I know he's using a knife.
This is one of those cases and maybe we don't spend a ton of
time on it, but like Lutheran, you have a knife in your hands.
I am very confident that like, especially since you're you're
ruthless enough to stab yourself, I feel like he could

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have done it in a way that wouldhave prevented any possible
resuscitation. That's true, but it was so fast
that, you know, they, they, The Imperials were there so quickly
that I, I guess I can, I can kind of squint and see even if
he tried, you know, well, maybe there's a way that like they
were, they were able to, to stopit.
You know, they have great medical technology.
They created Darth Vader after all.

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Very true. It's.
I would make the argument if he died too soon it wouldn't have
set up the second episode which was even more cool to watch.
True. Well, it's the same.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. But the but the yeah, so we see,
we see this, we see the Imperialtechs swarm the building and
they discover the Fondor and allof his disguises and the
different artifacts and the the fractal radio and it's it's all

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too late, right? It it's just great to see it all
finally be uncovered by The Imperials.
But it's too late. And now Dejra is in in trouble
because she she stepped on supervisor here it's toes and
then went after Axis and you know, so when she tries to take

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control at the Med center here, it arrives and it's like, no,
you're under arrest. And the orders from major part
of Gaz himself. And her face just falls.
She's come so close and yet has lost it all.
She's lost it. It's fascinating to see that the
person who used to work underneath her, because he did

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he, he was almost like, if I remember correct, was kind of
like an assistant to her at the beginning of this series.
Now all of a sudden is the one that's coming to arrest her.
And he's got a valid point because he was the one that was
put in charge of trying to find access because she was pulled
off of it. Yeah, yeah.
So let's, let's talk about the past briefly before we make our

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way into the second-half of the,the this episode, we see the
flashbacks of the past where Clea meets Luthan for the first
time. We look to learn through it.
We've to learn more about Luthanas well.
He was a Sergeant, apparently known as Sergeant Lear back
then. And it, it looks like he has
like PTSD or he's, he's afraid in this battle.
And so he hides out on a ship and refuses to come out and,

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and, and fight. And there he finds a young Clea
hiding in the ship's vents and and he ends up, you know, again,
making a bunch of excuses to theother soldiers and buying them
time where he can he can escape and and take clay with him.
What did you think of his origins?

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And like, what battle do you think?
Is this the Clone Wars or or early on in the Empire in pro
conflict or I'm not sure. That's a good question.
It's hard to tell. Yeah.
I, you know, like it's either got to be very early Empire or
maybe one of the types of like civil wars we saw with.

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I take that back. I was gonna say I was gonna try
and connect it to saw and what we saw on Yeah, was it Ondar
with saw if I'm remembering correctly, but I it's it
actually, I don't think that's actually right.
It's got to be, it's got to be the Empire because it it
connects Claya's hatred of the Empire as well.
That's. Fair.
But she's got to be old. She's like probably what, 6

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years? Seven.
Yeah. 10, Maybe. Maybe.
No, maybe. She's a little older.
She seems a little older. Maybe.
No, she's little. Yeah, she's got to be about 10
maybe. It's only been like 10 years,
you know, 810 years. So maybe that makes sense.
But yeah, I know she's, even at this age, she's very smart.
And she, you know, later in another flashback, helps
Lutheran sell old artifacts and who, you know, the dealer's

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trying to like, lowball them. And Clay helps negotiate a
better deal. And through that, Luther's like,
OK, fine, I'll keep you. And you're you're my you're
basically my daughter now. When it when it's useful, at
least. And he gives them new names,
Luther and Claya. And we see, you know, the, the
brutality Empire. I mean, I guess, yeah, it must

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be the Empire cause the Empire already exists at this point
because they're rounding up citizens for killing an Imperial
trooper. And you know, there's Imperial
firing squads and you know, she,she tries to watch the firing
squad and Lutheran, it's like, no, we're leaving.
And he basically leaves her behind until she catches up and
tells her if they're going to, if they want to win, win,

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they're going to have to lose a lot.
And the goal is to hate alive until you know what to do with
it. And then later we get to Naboo,
Tom, right. We, we actually get to see a
Naboo, which is really awesome. And yeah, I know we, we,
they're, they're eating on Naboo.
And across the lake, there's Imperial troopers on a bridge.

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And Lutheran tells her to pay attention and to never look
away. And she thinks again, he's just
not doing anything because he never does anything.
He's just talk. He's all talk, no action.
And he gives her a remote and tells her to make a choice.
And when she refuses, you know, thinking it's a lie, he, he just
grabs it himself, presses the remote and the bridge explodes.

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And you know, like he's the basically stranger.
Don't look. Don't look sticky.
Yeah, and then they just end up leaving the restaurant.
It's like don't look back while everybody's trying to to
scramble. And it's like, oh, what
happened? Or they're they're either trying
to leave or watch what happens. They just casually walk away out
of the place. Yeah, yeah.

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So it's it, it's, it's fascinating to watch how the two
of them were playing off of eachother all those years ago as you
start progressing forward to where they are now.
Yeah, it's, it's just such a great moment between them and it
really shows. I, I wouldn't say they're
perfect, but it really shows kind of their friendship and and

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how it's not quite father daughter, but kind of father
daughter relationship. When it's useful, at least, I
argue it, especially by the end.It definitely feels father
daughter to me. Yeah, it does.
It does. And yeah, it's, it's a nice,
it's it's I enjoyed the the flashbacks quite a quite a bit.
And that, of course, is why it makes it even harder when in the

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present, Clay realizes that Lutheran is still alive and
being treated at hospital. She has to infiltrate to the
hospital and. Kill her own adoptive father.
And so, yeah, Steven, take us through this whole sequence.
They that's all I'll say. I I had a couple of Co workers

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we were talking about the first episodes and before this arc
could ever come out. And one of the things they had
been asking about is like, oh, Ireally like seeing clay in that
first arc where she's, you know,retrieving the damn.
It's gonna be the second arc. Actually, which arc is it?
Where they're in the, the Art Museum.
That's gonna be the second arc, right?
Yes. Oh, you're in the shoes with

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Lonnie? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking of the second arc, but like, they
forget what it was in the first arc.
There it is. Anyway, in the first arc.
Oh, she's trying to get the signal out from.
Yeah, from from Chandra. And they were so they were
already intrigued by like, oh, Ihope we get to see more of clay
in the season. And then we get the the
fantastic museum sequence. And then we get this episode

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where we get back story. We get, I mean, spoilers for the
final final, but like Clay livesthrough all of this, which I
thought was really cool. We'll talk about that more in a
minute. But this sequence where like
we've seen Cassian, you know, bethe bad ass secret agent that we
know he that he is, this entire sequence is Clay doing exactly

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that. She infiltrates the hospital.
She, you know, steals a uniform,sneaks her way onto this, you
know, the floor where Luthen is being treated using a random,
you know, wheelchair effectivelyand patient to like, sneak her
way through. Which was hilarious.
She's ruthless through it. She is avoiding the cameras to

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the best of her ability. He gets the Luthen, kills him,
ensures that his secrets are dead, and then gets out.
And it is. I.
You know, and the next episode we even.
And when she gives them a kiss right right before she removes.
Yeah, she can play life. Support.
It's like. And then I think it's the next
episode where the ISP is like, oh, this, this must have been a

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team of like 5 people. You know, it's just.
Her. That was the thing that the
most, they're just like, it had to have been a team of five
people. I mean, it just it had to be
there's no way that somebody could break into this hospital
and do all this damage by takingout, you know, let's say the
medical ambulances that are on the platform and she blew them
up. I blew them up, taking out like

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like 2 security guards or three security guards to get into this
room to make a diversion worse. I mean, it was fascinating
though. So it's just like, oh, it's one
person. Yep, I did also enjoy right when
the ISB is like trying to figureout who did it later and the SEC
tech is like put a good word forme with my cousin he's
interviewing with the ISB. It's just, it's pretty

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hilarious. Super.
Super. Yeah, no, that was a great that
that's just every once in a while there's one of those great
lines that just comes out of nowhere that has really nothing
to do with the show. And this was like one of those
where it's just the best. For sure.
And that's so I mean that that'sbasically the first episode.

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It's all about Luther and Clea with just a little bit of Deidre
and and he's supervisor here in the in the hospital.
And this takes us into the finaltwo episodes, which are more of
a, you know, there it's all one big story.
But the first one is, is kind ofthat stand alone.
We're going to give you that flashback into a character
before we wrap up the series type of thing, which is just I

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loved, I still loved it. Poor Deja.
She's been she's been arrested now and director Cranic himself
comes to interrogate her at ISB headquarters, which is never
good. You never want, you never ever
want Cranic to come personally and interrogate you.
It's that just shows. Exactly.

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Especially when he gives that whole speech, the beginning of
this whole series, saying that in this room you're the only
people that know what's going on.
And in so many words, anything leaks out.
You guys aren't going to survivemuch longer.
And. I just I feel bad for Dedra
honestly. Like she's, she's wanted nothing

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more than to take out the rebellion and axis and be the
best imperial officer she can be.
And yet she has screwed it up so, so badly that by the end of
this like she, she, she, you know, like she tries to bring
blame. Supervisor Lagret, whose brother
is stationed on scare of but Krenik knows that her code cert

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was used by Supervisor Lanning Jung.
It looks like she gave it to himand like maybe she's a rebel spy
giving away her code cert. She has done a ton of research
into Galen Urso and instead of you know, when bundles of Intel
were forwarded to her office, she didn't report them.
She was curious and looked into it and started gathering

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information on her own computer about Gorman mining schedules
and orbital progress assessments.
And you do research journals andtwo years of Jetta Working Group
printouts and all of this evidence about the Death Star.
Because I think she's curious. I think she wants to catch
access, but she's also curious about what this secret project
is. And she may have mentioned
somewhere during this whole thing interrogation that she's a

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scavenger, that she was in scavenging for information.
The Death Star right? First time we actually see her
name dropped and you know she she frames this as I had no
choice to scavenge because you guys torture and kill everyone
rather than finding what they know.
And if you'd actually cooperate,I would have found out about
Lutheran long ago. But that was such a line, man.

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Yeah, but like. That was a brutal.
Line. It does not look good for her at
all. Like, at all.
It is. She's basically accidentally
framed herself as being a rebel spy, which is the most ironic
thing in the world. Because she is.

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She is nothing but nothing if not loyal to the Empire.
The thing I kind of appreciate it is he's not really wrong
either at any point. Like everything she's flagging
here is correct, but the way she's gone about it is was kind

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of incorrect. I guess.
More importantly, I think she failed to recognize that the
Empire doesn't care about being right.
Like, by kind of by definition, actually, can we do it?
Can we just talk through all of Dedra's?
Yeah, let's take it up. Yeah.
Like it. It ends with her in the prison
that Cassian escaped from, or atleast a similar one, and seeing

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her deep depression, like her rage, her upsetness, whatever.
Whatever you want to call it, hedeserves all of it.
Like this. She failed to recognize that the
beast will eat its own, you know, like it.
It does not care about her. It does not care what she
accomplished. And that's and that's the sad

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thing about the whole thing. She really set out to try and
find Axis and or the rebels everything and all along the way
she was doing it. She had all the evidence, she
had all the links and the empire, if she were to present
it almost like didn't here because of the way she went

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about to get the information. And even when she was pulled off
access and like I mentioned earlier, given to her cohort,
you're she she couldn't she couldn't stop.
It was a drive to be right, and it was a drive to find it, and
it ended up burning her big timein the end, which is sad to see,
but she did it to herself. Oh, yeah, and even like when she

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does help, you know, a supervisor here, right, who's
like, I don't know where to go to do.
I've been tasked with finding Clay and putting her image out
far and wide. And, you know, they've they've
classified her as a, you know, escapee from the hospital with
an infectious disease. So everyone, no one wants to go
near her and everyone will report.
Her, But he gave her carrot and he goes.

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Look, if you help me, maybe I'llput in a good word to get you
out of this. Which she she has no reason to
believe and shouldn't believe tobe clear.
But no. Absolutely.
Totally. I.
Mean one could argue that maybe,maybe she's, she did not die and
went to Narkeena 5 as a result of this, but you know, she, she,
she knows Lutheran and and Clayaso well she correctly guesses

(28:38):
exactly what Claya's next move would be.
You know, trying to look for oldtransmission frequencies and
call for help, but it's, it's not enough.
You know, it's it, it just starts to it, it starts to all
fall apart. And she even takes down a lot of
the ISP with her, right. Because, you know, Partagaz
starts questioning Chronic aboutthe status of the Death Star and

(29:01):
saying, you know, you're supposed to be ready by now.
It's a miracle we've kept it quiet this long.
And it's like we're just days away.
You know, I love Chronic, like fighting so hard for his
project, wanted to succeed so much.
And as we'll see at the end of the next episode, Partagaz they
they they fail, they fail to catch them.

(29:22):
And as a result, part of Gaz he he's called to a meeting with
someone, the emperor, maybe a board of some sort to the
clinic. And instead of and we also hear
I'm listening to Nemic's manifesto, which is a nice call
back to season 1 as. Well, yeah, that was pretty cool

(29:42):
to hear all that. Yeah, and.
I right, I I wasn't actually sure how to interpret Paragast
in here 'cause he's the manifestin particular I think threw me
'cause it is he. So Paragast commits suicide.
Yeah, sorry. Is Paragast is in a room by
himself with a blaster. We hear a blaster bolt.
Who knows what happened, I think.

(30:03):
It was intentional, I think Lagret knew.
Like you need to kill yourself. Yeah, he knew it either the way
he was not going to, he was not going to survive that day from
the appearances you got when he was being called for whatever
meeting Partagas was going to goto.
So. Poor Partagas he is.

(30:26):
I love. He's probably up there with some
of my favorite characters. It's like Lutheran Monmouthma
and Partagas. Everything Partagas says is is
like is just pure gold. I, I don't remember, you know,
which, which arc this was in, but there was like 1 arc this
season where he was like, he hadthat liner, like, you know, and,

(30:46):
and and tell me who, who is the we in this buffet of rebel
plunder? So good.
The writing is just phenomenal. But but yeah, it's it kind of
ends poorly for all the ISB. But I think we, we need to talk
about, we need to talk about theescape, right, the extraction.

(31:09):
So Clea, she gets to the safe house and starts pulling out an
old fractal radio and, and calling for help.
And just like, you know, basically like Morse code and
trying to 'cause she knows aboutthe Death Star, right?
She's got this pressure. Like I need to get the word out.
They're, they're going to, it's the secret needs to get out and
we need to tell people. And thankfully, Drina back on

(31:34):
Yavin 4 finds it under, you know, hears it under women's
bed, under their bed. And when she tells Wilman they
spring into action, he interrupts the card game with
Melchi and and K2 SO. And it's great to see Melchi, K2
SO and Cassian all all together.It's a great nice moment too,
because we see getting out, it'sbeen a year right, since K2 SO

(31:55):
has been created and how he and Cassian are now friends quite a
bit and have a good time. And Cassian decides he needs to
go rescue Clay and once again breaks the rules, stealing EU
wing and taking off without a flight plan.
And you know Draven confines woman to his quarters and K2 SO

(32:17):
starts quoting how many rules they broke in just like you know
he always does. And it really feels like yes, we
are it. It is.
It is time for Rogue One. Even the base just looks so much
more official now. Every time we see Rogue One in
each arc is just more Rogue One Yaven 4 and, and in these arcs,
it just looks more and more official.

(32:38):
And so they they go to, they go to the bass, they, they go to,
to Coruscant and decide, let's get let's get Clay out of this.
And Steven, you want to walk us through this this sequence?
Yeah, I mean, it's we're back inthe the same apartment that we

(33:03):
that Cassian and Bix had stayed in.
Now Clay is using it. She is desperately sending
messages out, trying to figure out how to escape.
I also like, by the way, how many like secret things are
apparently hidden throughout, like different walls have been
broken in, etcetera, etcetera. Cassian, sorry, is it Melchi?

(33:27):
Am I remembering Melchi or Belchi?
Melchi. Thank you.
They arrive, they get they get through, which I thought was
kind of impressive, and we get this kind of stand off where the
they arrive to get Claya. Claya is distraught, desperately
trying to explain the information that she has gotten

(33:49):
and casting is just like, no, wejust got to go like the the rest
of it doesn't matter. Also, I appreciate how the story
gets more and more confusing each time someone tries to
describe it. That was like a good.
But it's also like a thing a telephone didn't they do.
And it helps explain to your point, William, why more

(34:10):
information is needed, which we'll we'll see more in a
second, right. And then then it is time to
escape. But the Empire is there and just
another phenomenal sequence, honestly, as you know, they're
they're cornered. The Imperial troops are, are
they're coming, they're, they'reabout to be here and then K2 to

(34:34):
the rescue and, and. It's going right.
Can I back up one thing when it comes to K2?
I love the lioness. They're coming into Coruscant.
He sits here and he goes. I remember being here once I was
in a parade. He's.
Like so good, I love. We got the start of K2, starting
to ask for blasters but not being given one.

(34:57):
Yeah, I I had to throw that out there because that line just
made me so laugh. But it just it just shows who K2
is at this point when it comes to being with with Andor and
also with Melchi, because, you know, this is the start of them
basically teaming up. Yeah, going into one so.
Well, and the tension is so great too, because you know,

(35:18):
supervisor here and the ImperialTactical Strike Team are on the
way and you don't really know who's going to arrive first.
Is it going to be Cassian and K2SO and, and Melchi or is it
going to be the strike team? And they're, you know, they're,
they, they, they arrive at the apartment and they're using this
device to trace the signal to which floor they're on And, and.

(35:38):
They get it wrong first. Right.
Well, exactly. Cassian gets there 1st and I, I
think I missed the first few. And they said, oh, it's like
could be plus or minus a couple floors, but Cassian gets the
safe house first. They're talking with Clay, as
you were saying, Steven and The Imperials show up and they open
the door and it's just some random people and they're just
like a floor too low or too high, whatever it was.

(35:59):
And it's, it's, it's great 'cause it's just that, that
tension like, Oh no, are they there?
Are they not? And then that's when, when,
when, when K2 SO realizes the comms are jammed.
He's like, Oh no. We're.
Going in K2, SO just again, justlike on like last week in the
Gorman massacre arc, he's just smacking people left and right

(36:23):
and it's it's so good. It's glorious.
It is glorious. It is.
Phenomenal. We'll talk about this more, I
think in the season, the like season and then show recap.
My only disappointment with thisarc and this season in
particular. I have two disappointments,
which we'll talk about the otherone in a moment, but one of them
minor disappointment is I wish we'd gotten more K2, but the

(36:44):
little we do get here is phenomenal.
Yeah, I agree. I I especially and this is I
will say this, one of the most brutal deaths I have ever seen
in Star Wars is when he picks upthat one imperial officer who is
I again? I'm terrible named.
He was basically Deirdre second now ends up being the guy in

(37:05):
charge of trying to find access.Picks him up and uses him as,
yeah, uses him as a shield as he's going down the hallway and
going from side to side to side,just putting him in front of
blaster bolt after blaster bolt.I just sat there and I'm like,
Oh my Lord. Yes.

(37:25):
Like, yeah, once they get the right floor and like Mel, she
accidentally runs right into thethe tactical treating team and
like returns and retreats back into the room.
And yeah, K2 SO just takes they really Cassian and Mel, she
really don't do a whole heck of a lot.
And and Clay, they're just hiding in the safe house while
K2 SO rescues them and Oh yeah, that moment where he picks up

(37:45):
here and just like. He's just as a body shield.
No, man, I, I, I feel like this is, this is really the climax of
the finale, that this moment cause the rest of the episode,
the rest of the, the, the finaleis almost more, it's much more

(38:07):
quiet than I was expecting, right?
It's the, the crescendo is really our act three.
And then this rescue of Claya, which if you'd guessed me, I
wouldn't have guessed Clay's rescue being the thing that
would be the, the final big moment of the, of the series,
because then the rest of it is really about the rebels and back
on Yavin. And do they believe Claya and,

(38:32):
and Cassian? And it's interesting before they
leave, Claya says she's afraid she'll be a prisoner if they're
returned to Yavin. And is that because they I think
it's probably because they hate Luthan so much and they don't
they mistrust Luthan. Yeah, he he's driven a wedge.
Yeah, he's driven a wedge. Every single person there, which
is sad to see, but also kind of understandable given, you know,

(38:55):
everything that occurred. Yeah, yeah.
And so, you know, when they get back to the base, you know, we
see Sagarera speaking with Mon Mothma, Bail, Arghana, General
Draven. I think, you know, they're kind
of setting up Rogue One by saying, you know, he seems to
think that Mon and the rebels are after him, not just the
Empire. Maybe we see a lot of the the
the Rebel Council from Rogue Oneat this point, which I thought

(39:16):
was really cool. Yeah, we see.
In addition to the ones we already mentioned, Admiral
Raddis, Senator Pambleau, Senator Noah Jabal, all
reprising their roles from RogueOne.
So yet again, why did they not get Jimmy Smith's?
He's the old one they recast. I'm telling you, it had to and
that's an issue. He's an actor, OK, It it has to

(39:39):
be scheduling issues. You're right, you're right.
But it's cool. Like, Admiral Raddis is back,
you know, Even Lieutenant Poyle,right.
And like, it's just it, it feelslike they really just it exactly
feels like a continuation of Rogue One, Right.
And when when the Ewing comes back in, you know, they are OK.

(40:04):
I guess. That's right.
That's not true. There is one recasting.
They recast Radis. He's played by James Henry
Thomas instead of Stephen Thomasinstead of Stephen Stanton.
But like, the voice sounds identical and he's an alien so
you know, harder to tell. Wow, William, I can't believe
you would say something. But he's an alien, obviously.
They all look. The same yes, yes, yes, but even

(40:24):
like the they brought back even the most minor of characters
like the signals intelligence technician 10 Tenezo Weems like
they brought back so many peopleand it's just really cool to see
'cause it really makes it feel like yes, we are, we are minutes
away from Rogue One. We are minutes.
So let's talk about the Rebel Lines leadership for a minute.

(40:46):
OK? Sorry, Steven, you were going to
see. Somewhere no, no go.
It's not going to be going whereI was meant to go.
So let's they, Cassian and Clea tell them everything.
They tell them about Scariff, they tell them about, you know,
the, the, the Imperial weapons project.
And they don't, they don't really believe him, right?

(41:09):
They even though they know aboutGorman, Jeddah, Galen, Urso,
Cassian lays it all out there and Bale Organa, he's upset with
Cassian and skeptical of Lutheran.
And Pamela says that Lutheran has been a thorn in their side
since the beginning of the RebelAlliance.
And it doesn't matter that, you know, Lutheran has a lot of good
and a lot of bad, as Cassian says, they don't really seem to

(41:33):
care. And I, I think it was the most
surprising. I guess it makes sense because
we see that skepticism in Rogue One, but it was still man, like
they are so close. They are on the verge of of
finding out the Empire's biggestsecret, and they don't.
Yeah, I'm, I'm, so I'm rereadinga, a book series that Tom and I
both quite enjoy called The LostFleet.

(41:55):
And there's, there's a recurringkind of motif, especially in the
first couple of books, which is,you know, the thing that is most
dangerous in battle is not the thing that you don't expect.
It's the thing that you think you know, that is that you don't
actually know. And I think that's what we're
seeing here. It's like, no, no, no.
All the things you're talking about, we know about.
It's the energy project. It's Palpin's weird little

(42:16):
obsession with unlimited power unintended.
And I think that is where a lot of that skepticism is coming
from is that they they think they know what this is, but they
they actually don't. Yeah.
And I mean, they're, they're more convinced that Luthan's,
you know, dangerous. He maybe he stayed on Coruscant
for too long and was turned or was played or, you know, he spun
this web of doubts and secrets that made everyone believe him,

(42:41):
made everyone not believe him. Like it's so sad to see how in
some ways Luther tried to do so much to help the Rebellion and
yet he almost caught he he he made too many enemies that when
it really mattered, they don't believe him.
Yeah. I, I actually appreciate this
little bit of repudiation of the, the intensity, I would say,

(43:05):
of the Rebel Alliance. Like this is actually something
I think the show walks back fromRogue One to some degree.
So like Rogue One, you know, it opens, Cassian meets his
informant, he shoots his informant as he leaves.
And the impression you get is that like, oh, rebel
intelligence? And it's kind of implied that
it's Draven, cause Draven seems to be the Cassian's commander.

(43:28):
But it is implied. Like the rebel intelligence is
actually much dirtier than you've been led to believe.
I think what Andor, the show as a whole kind of repositions a
little bit is the mainline RebelAlliance was not this way.
Luthan was this way. And Luthan's, what do you ever
want to call it? Like what?
Not confidants, but the people his his pupils effectively like

(43:51):
Cassie. They are the kind of learned to
do what he needs to do. Clay had exactly what she needs
to do. Right.
And it it walks back and makes it a little bit less universal,
yeah. It it also, it also makes
stronger the line that Cassian says that he has done things
he's not proud of. When you hear that in Rogue One,

(44:11):
so. I, I actually find it kind of
interesting 'cause it Cassian inRogue One starts off, it feels
like much more in that state. And I feel like the show
actually ends him with he's, he's been out of Luthen's
clutches for a little bit at this point.
So there's a, there actually is a little disconnect there that I
find humorous. But I, I think I appreciate it
'cause I feel like I wanted to seem happier Lutheran as much as

(44:34):
possible. Yeah, Yep.
Yeah. And it's, you know, Mon Mothma
is the only one that kind of believes Cassian, but not 100%.
And so she sends her cousin Val to go speak with Cassian and try
to determine if she's telling the truth.
And Val ultimately believes Cassian and tells Mon as as much
and that I love the line, like, you know, Cassian should stop

(44:55):
saving people if he wants to notbe grounded all the time, you
know? But like, it's also kind of a
heartbreaking moment because howthey, Val tells Cassian to
reconnect with Bix and you know,Cassian's worry is too late for
them, but Val's like, no, there's always time.
She still loves you. Go find her.
And it's heartbreaking 'cause you know, they will never, they

(45:19):
will never actually get to be reunited.
And it's hard, you know, they toast that they're lost, their
fallen comrades, Lutheran, Goran, Nemic, Tamarin, Sinta,
the Gorman's, Ferriks, Marva, Aldani.
A little on the nose, but I think it's, it's well done and
it makes sense. And, and yeah, like that they,

(45:41):
they believe, they believe Cassian enough that Mon Mothma
allows him to go and, you know, see, to go see Clay again in the
Infirmary, not like ground him. And it turns out Tivic,
Cassian's closest kind of his contact with Sagarira has been

(46:03):
sending urgent messages for a while.
Something is up. He's on Carefree until tomorrow.
And he's the only one who will talk to Cassian.
So General Draven asked Cassian to meet with him.
And you know, Draven and Mond are the only ones who believe
something is wrong and they decide to make an exception like
Cassian go and, and go to Kafrine with Bale's blessing.

(46:27):
And it turns out it's Bale himself.
Even though he doubts Cassian, he's the one who goes to Bale's
house and says, hey, if I'm dying, if I'm, if I want to die
fighting for the Empire, I want to go down swing and like, go.
And. Go and investigate this lead on
The Rings of Kafrine, which shows, we know is the very first

(46:47):
minute minutes of Rogue One. Rogue One.
It's so good. It's so good.
Yeah, it's. And of course, Bale leaves with
the parting words. May the Force be with you.
Yeah, that kind of brings us towards, I guess the close of

(47:08):
like I was going to say this episode, but it's actually the
close of the show. So maybe it's worth going
through like each of of the kindof like, I don't know, there's
like that final montage basically where we see all these
characters, some from the show, some from Rogue One and
basically like set up that up Rogue One, right?

(47:28):
Like the first one, you know like there's the Leonardo
DiCaprio like pointing meme as we see Melchi going through
training the troops on Yavin including this.
Game from Rogue One. He's back too.
Everyone's back. Yeah, well, it's right into it.
Yeah, based in, I mean, this is maybe bad because I watched the
these three episodes back-to-back.

(47:51):
It wasn't until we saw Belshi because I I kept or Belshi,
sorry. I kept thinking he looked
familiar, but I couldn't place him.
And it wasn't until this scene where we see the squad where I
was like, Oh my God, it is it's the squad of troopers that go
with Cassian. So I I I thought that was
awesome. It's so cool.
It really does tie it together. They they, the fact that they
got everyone seems like to to come back.

(48:14):
And it's like, yeah, this is thesame.
This is the same thing. It's the same show.
It's continuation of this continuation of Cassie and the
story, even if it's through Jen's eyes in many ways.
But yeah. Willman has seems to he he
settled down with that woman from Gorman apparently did not
decide to have a a 1/3 girl in this season.

(48:38):
Well, it seemed like, hey, he took her to Yavin.
What is he going to do to try and find somebody else on Yavin?
Because this way he would have adifferent woman on a different
planet. But hey, he brought Trina
Withers. Good, you know, good on him.
Yeah, and he survived. I was kind of surprised, Wilman.
I was as well. I would not have minded if he
had died, but you know, that's ayeah.

(48:59):
That that's kind of cruel, but II do see your point because he
does seem like other than the arc that he was in when it came
to that thing you had to do got him sitting here just brain
farting on all this. He really didn't do much in the
show. You know, no, he.
Was on my. Yeah.
He was no I'll. Talk about some.

(49:20):
Recap but he was mostly there tobring Sagar era in I think.
Yeah, yeah, but Maan Mothma is eating with the troops.
Which the other thing I really appreciate it is throughout
this, especially in the first arc and then even honest through
all three, like she's got, you know, the senator's clothing,
you know, this very like luxurious Chindrillin kind of
dress. Her hair is very done up.

(49:42):
And it was only in this arc where her hair has is got a
much, I don't know what to call it, like a much simpler cut.
And it was in that moment where I felt like it really drove home
the change that she has gone through and it sets up, I
thought really well her role in episode or sorry, in Rogue One

(50:02):
and then in Episode 6. Episode 6.
She looks much more like not a senator, but this, you know, a
rebellion rebel leader who is eating, you know, whatever junk
it. It just so happens they happen
to be certain. You know, again, it kind of
shows she's like one of the people.
She's not exactly on her, you know, in her, her, her, you

(50:24):
know, senatorial palace or anything.
She's just willing to be eat with the troops and, and, and
just be a member of the the squad so.
Exactly. The next one that caught me off
guard was her husband. Karen is in that that speeder.
What was that? I was a little bit confused.
Was that Davos Gardrin's wife? Yeah, that was David's wife,

(50:46):
Renee, like I. Was what happened.
It's like what happened there. It all my interpretation is like
her husband never really cared about her, her daughter never
really cared about her. Like we saw that in the first
arc and so he is just doing his own thing you know?
Which, to be fair, he was probably doing even before.

(51:07):
Oh, more than it was. Yeah, that was definitely an.
Unexpected twist for sure, yeah.Yeah.
And then what happened to the daughter?
I mean, that's that's another thing.
Yeah, like how does she feel about her?
Her father or her mother? Sorry, defecting.
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's meant to
show like they they don't care at all.

(51:30):
Yeah. I mean, she clearly doesn't have
the closest relationship with her mother, as we see in, you
know, or her wedding. And she says she wishes she was
drunk. So I'm.
Brutal. I, I I'm.
Not that. Surprised that maybe she's maybe
she doesn't care, you know, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know. Clea is living happily on Yevin

(51:55):
4 as well, so clearly not thrownin prison like she'd feared.
Yeah, happily is maybe a strong word but I guess two more things
for Clea 1 is especially after she's no longer in her.
I don't want to call it like theget up she has is Lutheran's
assistant. He could have easily been a body

(52:16):
double for Leia. Like, you look really really
similar I in my opinion, and I'dactually like clay under Leia.
I see. I see the connection now that
you brought that up. Yes.
Oh, sorry, didn't. Tell me now, Yeah, that's

(52:36):
actually really funny, too. No, the thing I'm wondering is,
you know, in legends we had Winter, who was Leia's body
double and also did a lot of this, kind of like undercover
spy work. I could Steven.
I could Steven. That rolled.
Really, really. Well, the other bit is I, I

(52:58):
wonder if we'll find out like when, sorry, Star Wars is also
littered with like brown haired white women.
But like the other one that comes to mind is there's the
standby ion control woman on Hawk.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Like I, I wonder if we'll pull a

(53:18):
Rex and and like we're recordingahead of time.
So maybe they've already done that, but like where it's
actually. On echo base or something?
Exactly, and it turns out that she she's been around for a
while. I kind of hope they do like
especially after that the first episode in this arc.
Like it gives so much back storyto her.
I'm glad she's alive to. I mean, while a lot.

(53:42):
Of characters died, there are quite a few who bake it out, and
I'm glad about that. Yep, especially with Clea.
You know well, my guys I could care less about.
But Clea, I'm glad she survives.Well, the one that hurts is
Brasso. Brasso.
Yes. Yeah, that one hurts.
The the one thing I appreciated about this episode, at least you

(54:02):
know, where everybody at this point of the show, they have an
end story and those that continue forward into Rogue One,
those stories are set up here and you show them going into
Rogue One. So really it kind of doesn't
leave a loose end for characterslike Claya.

(54:22):
It doesn't seem like that there's a loose end.
Her story's wrapped up. Manmatma's cousin, same thing,
it's kind of wrapped up. She is on Yavin but you don't
see her like going on to information.
Right. Yeah, yeah.
Very, very interesting that she she survives as well.
And there's there's so much potential for future storylines
with these characters, probably not as a show, but at least as,

(54:45):
you know, books or or what not. You know, we see, as we
mentioned, Cassian starts to leave for the rings of Caprine
to meet with Tevec. And you know, the Force healer
watches Cassian leave again, kind of alluding to that.

(55:05):
Hey, he has a a very important purpose.
Coming up we see Sagarera looking out his window at Jetta
City and the Star Destroyer overhead that's now come to the
planet along those lines. This the saw a shot.
I feel like almost could have been ripped out of Rogue One.
It was almost I. Totally agree.

(55:26):
Like I also wonder, do they do they even refilm it or is it
just like a a deleted scene fromRogue One?
Yeah. And of course, chronic starting
out the Death Star as it nears its construction is just a a
beautiful shot, knowing that he will fire the Death Star in just
a couple of days and then of course be killed by the Death

(55:47):
Star as well. B2 E MO is living happily on
Mina Rao with Talia and seems tohave made a friend, another
robot little Droid. And and then we get the most
unexpected reveal of them all, and that's Bix.
She's alive, thankfully. I'm very glad she survived as

(56:09):
well. And she's also returned to Mina
Rao and living there. And we see her walking into the
field and she's carrying a. Baby, I didn't care for this.
Really. OK, OK.
I just it's very reminiscent, like Rebels does this with

(56:30):
Canaan. Yeah, Rebels I it's a little bit
better because there was this onagain off again thing or on
again, but not talk to a thing with Hera.
But this is just so clearly a like, hey, this character we
really like is dead. How do we like, pretend and

(56:51):
magically create a like legacy for this character and like
Hassan's legacy? It's destruction of the Death
Star. It's.
Yeah, it's the rebellion. I I'm not surprised that they
did this. It it's a trope for a reason.
But like, it just felt like something that was unnecessary.
More importantly, you are you are right.

(57:12):
No, I don't. I disagree.
I mean, I'm torn. I I like seeing that like, Oh
yeah, he has a kid and but and and VIX is alive and has that
that little bit of, you know, Cassian with her.
But yeah, no, it's I, I don't disagree.
It's a little bit of a trope. Yeah, well.
Nothing you can do about it. They filmed it, it's there.

(57:35):
What will be fascinating is if they're gonna continue the
story. Or did they just leave it as
they finally gave Cassian a happy ending even though his
ending was the sacrifice of himself?
You know, I don't think this ever gets piked up.
I think it's just meant to try. And.
Show on a slightly hopeful note given all the things that

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happen, obviously. Right, you know.
Well, don't forget rebellions are built on hope.
You don't say. Yes.
Yeah, I guess that that kind of takes us.
And of course, you know, at the end of the credits, we hear the
main Star Wars theme, which was a nice touch.
But I guess overall, and we'll, we'll talk about the entire

(58:19):
season and, and go through in more detail how this entire
season 2 relates to the larger, you know, Star Wars saga and all
that, all all those connections and look back in our in our
recap episode in a couple weeks.But I think overall, as I was
watching the arc the first time,I loved the episode with, with

(58:44):
Luthan. The flashbacks were, were fine,
but it gives some nice flavor to, to his character and, and
Clea. But I, I think I, I just love
the, you know, like the beginning of that episode where
Deidre shows up. It's just incredible.
Of course, the, you know, tryingto take, you know, get back to
Luthan and, and, and, and take him off life support is, is

(59:07):
very, very well done. The rescue of Clea in the the
safe house was also was also very well done.
But then it it kind of feels like the show it it kind of
almost more goes out with a likeit it it's clearly building into
rogue one and and setting the stage for Rogue one.

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But it was almost just a tad disappointed in the ending.
Not, not completely just becauseit was just, it was almost too,
I don't know, it's almost too quiet at the end.
The thing that was fascinating to me is we, we, so we saw, you
know, A New Hope or sorry, we there, we had A New Hope 1st.
And then they're like, hey, we're gonna make a show called

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Rogue One that explains and leads into A New Hope.
And Rogue One, I think actually has kind of the same problem
where I mean it, it has the Vader sequence of the end, which
is obviously phenomenal. Well, exactly.
And that's where I think like, you have the Vader sequence, you
have the Death Star. It's a while, sorry.
Go ahead. It does the cinematic thing, but
it narratively Rogue One leads directly into the exact like it.

(01:00:11):
It's the same thing. It doesn't have a narrative pay
off in the same way that you know, episode 4 does, right?
And Andor, which I would not have pegged, does the exact same
thing to Rogue One, where the the real ending of of Andor is
to go watch Rogue One. Yes.
And it's, it's awkward for that reason because yeah, this, this

(01:00:33):
last episode, like it, it's a good episode, but it, it's
probably amongst, I would say it's probably the weakest of the
entire season. And it's it's, it's an awkward
place to be. It it's an awkward place to be,
but here's my question for this.Would you want it to be, let's
say, a spectacular 100% drag outepisodes where you're like

(01:00:56):
going, Oh my Lord. But then you get into Rogue One
and it takes away the impact of Rogue One.
I mean, it seems like this was done on purpose to give you that
little, not to say a little, OK,let's bring it into the Dave
baloney thing. It gave me that breather of an
episode before you get into the meat of it, which is basically
Rogue One. Yeah, I mean, I think what I

(01:01:18):
would have loved to have seen inan ideal world is that the
rescue of Claya to be just a much a much bigger thing.
It it was pretty minor, I would say, like in the grand scheme,
like it it kind of came down to like K2 kick and some butt, but
that was it. Yeah.
So that's what I would have liked to have seen as a bigger

(01:01:41):
rescue. And then a lot of what we get in
this last episode should have been, you know, the last 10
minutes or whatever of that episode.
And I get that they they had a couple narrative challenges
around like one, you probably don't want to copy the end of
Rogue One too much. They, I think the reason Rogue
One works is because you have that tense, like we got to get
the Death Star plans off of Scaref all the way up until

(01:02:02):
literally the last 30 seconds ofthe movie, right where they
escape. And then you go down to Scariff
and see Jen and Cassian die, butyou don't get that in here.
It's like they escape and then it's a bunch of, oh, we don't
really believe you, you know, And then we're not really sure

(01:02:25):
this thing exists, even though we're all like, yes, it exists.
And then it's like, OK, we'll gobeat this like random contact
Tivic on the rings of Kafrine. And I think that's why it just
lands a little bit less stronglythan it otherwise could have.
That said, I think the season asas a whole is phenomenal.
And even the arc was so good that like, I can't complain too

(01:02:49):
much It it's just like it. That was the one thing that
struck me as I watched the ending.
I was like, oh, like arc 3 was so much better in in that
respect. But Yep, I agree.
I I will have to agree with you guys talking in this respect,
because now that I look at when it comes to this episode
compared to the two before it, yes, I could see this wasn't as
strong as the first two, but I I'm still going to stand by.

(01:03:13):
I really don't think they could have pushed it anymore because
there's that impact of you have to see Rogue one.
It seemed like this episode, at least, they had to bring you
down from all this high that thekind of get you into Rogue One.
Right. Yeah, yeah.

(01:03:34):
Well, so with that, Steven, would you, would you like to do
your rating first? I would be happy to William.
Let's see. So this is probably the most
unlike the uneven arc of the thethree.
I think the first two episodes Iwould probably give.
I think they're going to be similar.

(01:03:56):
I think I'm going to give them both nines.
Sorry, no, no first episode 10, the Luthan and Clay episode of
the 10, that's an easy 1. Episode 11, give a nine.
Episode 12, I think I'll give an8.
So on average a nine across the board.
Definitely the most uneven arc. They did a phenomenal job,

(01:04:18):
especially that first episode. Like the Luthan Dedra standoff.
Like you said, William is just that goes down as an instant
classic with my 9 + 8 is 17 + 1027 with my 27 Womp rats.
You know, they, they all are going to go off and start
looking For more information about the Death Star so that

(01:04:40):
they can, you know, help convince the Rebel Alliance that
there is more stuff to come. OK, Tom.
Well, talking it out, 'cause I, I love this up, all three of
them, I thought they were very, very strong arcs.

(01:05:01):
But talking this one out, when it comes to the third episode, I
do kind of agree. Yes, out of the three, it was
probably the weakest, but I still stand by what I mentioned
that I think it had to be that way because they had to get you
in to Rogue One and pulling a Dave Filoni trope, they had to
give you that bit of a breather before it kicks off again.

(01:05:23):
So I'm definitely giving the first part of the arc A10, the
second one I'm giving a 9.5 and then this one I'm going to give
a nine. So I'm going reverse order.
I I still enjoyed this arc immensely.
I mean, to see K2 SO basically kick butt and take names on top
of pushing people over bridges and things and just causing

(01:05:45):
utter chaos, leaving the Empire trying to figure out what's
going on was beautiful to watch.So I am taking, my God, I have
to do math just like you did, Steven, and I don't like it.
That's 1928 1/2. So I'm taking my 28 1/2 womp
rats. And what they're going to do is

(01:06:08):
because Clea was the, let's say,patient 0 running around
Coruscant. They were actually patient 0.5
'cause you were not aware that they were planted as well to be
another type of thing or or disease running around

(01:06:28):
Coruscant. That was actually on top of the
ISB running after Clea. You had the clone troopers and
stormtroopers and everybody elsegoing after the womp rats as
well. That's why nobody was able to
get to the the Clea and everybody leaving the safe house
because it was a real mess causeof the womp rat.

(01:06:49):
Fair enough. I think so.
I guess that just leaves me. That's you.
Yeah, I, I, I mean, I think likeyou guys, the first episode of
this arc is just 10 out of 10. It was phenomenal.
I, I love Lutheran Rail. He's one of my favorite
characters. Clay is fantastic.
It it's just so good. And the moment Dedra confronts
Lutheran and then the way in which she does it, that leading

(01:07:12):
leading to her downfall. So great.
I think the flashbacks were weregood too, but that doesn't, I
wouldn't say they're particularly amazing, but it
helps flush out their charactersmore.
And I think as a result it I just yeah, 10 out of 10.
The other two I thought were good.
I I give them a nine and maybe an 8.5.

(01:07:34):
Certainly very enjoyable, but not quite where I had hoped it
would be. That said, again, Rogue One is
the true ending. That's the thing that we're all
going to go watch immediately after finishing the the series
and be like, yeah, OK, there's the closure we were looking for.

(01:07:56):
I think I'm very excited to get to our recap and talk about all
sorts of things, how this impacts Rogue One and how, you
know, whether we watch it differently, Cassian's
relationship with Jin now and, and how that's perceived, all
sorts of stuff. But yeah, no, it's just such a
such a good, such a good season.And this arc is just phenomenal.

(01:08:21):
So I'm going to give it. Yeah, those 27 1/2 Wombrats and
those 27 1/2 womper rats they were.
They were helping Supervisor Lonnie and Lutheran just boom,
boom, boom at 27 1/2 times and took them out because couldn't
let the secret out. So wow, I guess that brings our

(01:08:47):
whirlwind reviews of Andor to a close.
It's just been such a phenomenalshow and we're not done right.
We still have our, our look backat season 2.
We'll, we'll see what we obviously since the last time we
we recorded these episodes in advance, but Tales of the

(01:09:07):
Underworld is now out as well asa week ago and we need to
discuss Tales too. There's just so much to cover
there. So we we'll see.
We may do a Tales review first or we may do our and or season 2
recap first. But rest assured, we have these
more, more content coming at youvery soon.

(01:09:28):
Thanks for coming along with us on this journey, this whirlwind
journey of 12 and or episodes basically for a mini Star Wars
movies over the course of four weeks.
It was so much fun. So much fun.
Yeah. It's an Alzheimer.
That's a good show. Definitely.
It's so good. I'm I'm bummed and or season 2

(01:09:48):
is over, but what a ride it was.So I think that'll wrap it up
here. Thank you all for listening and
we'll be back next week with more, much more to talk about.
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