December 10, 2024 • 58 mins
Join Tom, Stephen, and William as they review “Very Interesting, As An Astrogation Problem,” the third episode of Skeleton Crew Season 1.
A mysterious stranger offers to help our heroes.
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Hey, laser clickers. Welcome to the Iron Cannon
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podcast. I'm one of your hosts Steven and
I'm joined by my friends and Co host Tom and William.
We are here to talk about season3.
I always do that. Season 1 episode 3.
Maybe we'll get a Season 3. Hey, you're just, you're just
being optimistic, right? Yeah, it's.
Good enough that I I hope we getto Season 3.
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I would not mind, but Season 1, Episode 3 of Scalping Crew, that
is what we're talking about. We are recording ahead of time,
so we don't quite have the titleyet, but you know, I'm sure it's
an awesome title. It they're just throwing a
wrench in your your puns, Steven, how do you do a pun if
there's no episode title? You don't.
You can't. Oh man, much like Jana JA JA in
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the Woods name, we don't actually know what this episode
is titled, what its real name is.
OK, I'll give. I'll give it to you.
It's not the worst. Little week, a little week.
Now I'd like to see you both come up with better when we
don't actually have a name, so don't even.
OK, I will give you that. Well, yes, we are here to review
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Skeleton Crew Episode 3. Before we get into that though,
couple interesting things to note. 1st, The Mandalorian.
Grogu has finished filming and Dave Filoni is currently well
into writing Ahsoka per Extra. And Indywire adds that Ahsoka
will actually scheduled to film in the UK in April.
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So they are moving the show out of out of LA, out of the volume
because the volume is only in LAand it'll be done in the UK like
Andor and of course many of the films.
So that's cool to see. Hopefully it means a lot more
practical sets and. I actually really like that,
yeah. It makes me happy, yeah.
I you know, the volume is an incredible technology without a
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doubt, but like any technology, you can't over rely on it too
much. And it's it's great for very
specific use cases and when it'sused well, it is phenomenal.
But it is nice that they're expanding to other stuff too.
I sorry, I was going to sigh. Without trying to go too deep
here. I feel like this is kind of the
what Star Wars does is pioneer new technology to the point of
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overusing it and then realizing like, maybe, you know, movies,
television would be better if westepped back from it just a
little bit. Yeah, just a just a tiny bit.
But you know, again, it's like it's they they still can use it
for the times where it makes sense.
And so I think it's as long as they find that right balance, I
think that's a that's a good thing.
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But it's great to see Ahsoka coming.
The fact that The Mandalorian Guruku has finished filming
means it's a movie that's actually happening.
So that's good and. Yeah.
Let's let's not count our chickens before they've hatched,
William. OK.
Yeah, most likely you're right. I mean, as soon as they start
filming, I think that's high likelihood of of release at that
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point, so. But yeah, we'll put it this way.
They're not going to have Dave Filoni write anything if it's
not going to be produced. So I don't know.
If that's true. Well, I feel like if it's Dave
Filoni, though, it's a much higher likelihood of of
happening than if it's it's happening some other unknown
directory. So yeah.
So anyway, I'm very excited about both of those.
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Of course, Ahsoka season 2 sounds, you know, I'm so excited
to see what they do there. So another news we've all been
waiting for what they do next with animation.
And we have our answer sort of though no, they have not
announced the next series after The Bad Batch yet.
We're still waiting on that thatannouncement.
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But they have confirmed that Star Wars Visions Volume 3 is
coming next year in 2025. So this was announced right
after we recorded our last episode, I think maybe before it
went live. So it's a little bit older news,
but still we're going to get another nine shorts from 9
different studios. I think we've talked about
Visions in the past. They're they're interesting.
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It's not my favorite series admittedly, but that's OK.
I think a lot of people love it and I'm excited to see what they
do in Volume 3. It sounds like they're kind of
going back to their roots with more anime style installments
like they did in the first volume.
So interesting. Yeah, yeah.
So. We'll see.
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With that, shall we get into ourreview of Skeleton Crew?
Yes, we can because we're going to be reviewing Season 1 Episode
3 of Skeleton Crew. We do not have a title as of
yet. Insert title here.
Sorry Tom, you're going to make me go back and try to edit it
in, aren't you? No, I'm not so anyway.
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Steven. Steven did.
We did joke about that before the show, we still did, but
honestly I didn't want to go back and have to edit it in
after the episode airs so. No, we'll just, I don't think
it's a big deal. I think insert title here was
just a fantastic episode and I think it's I think it's worth
the editing, you know? I think it I think that episode
being directed by David Lowery and it was written by
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Christopher Freud and John Watts.
I thought that was one of the best episodes so far out of the
three we have seen. Because in this episode, the
kids are still trying to find their way back home with the
help of Is it really a mysterious Jedi?
Is the. Question.
I wrote that, you know, we'll see.
Who knows, but. But it's a good thing to throw
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out there because maybe that's why we have No title for this
episode, because maybe that's why it's a mystery.
So thanks for getting us back onon track, Tom.
Yeah. So like we we did see this
episode along with the first twothat Lucasfilm has kind of sent
us screeners. But now we can finally talk
about it. So I'm excited to dive into this
episode. It starts, you know, I think
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where we left off last week, right, was the the two episode
season premiere at the very end.We met John on nobody actually,
I think hadn't even told us his name yet.
But we we meet him and we find out in this episode.
He kind of portrays himself. Well, I would say he never
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claims he's a Jedi, but he certainly plays along with Wims
assumptions and I think we see by the end of this episode he's
he's definitely not a definitelynot a Jedi.
What did you think of John Underwood's character?
I guess I'll start with you Steven.
What did you think of John Underwood?
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I mean, I'd say he's probably like this, Sorry, this is going
to sound very obvious, but like,I think he's probably the most
interesting character in the show.
That's not a surprise because a,we're comparing child actors
against adult actor. And then on top of that,
obviously Jude Law is like a very storied and successful
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actor who will have more creditsthan any child, children that
are like, whatever, terrible. Like, just just by nature.
Yeah. But no, like we kind of like I'd
alluded to or theorized in the previous episode, like it seems
to be Captain Silvo. Like, we'll talk about that
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Where like folks seem to recognize and, you know, Captain
Silva was escaped from the Brig at the same time that jod na,
jod jod jod na. Yeah, said it's a mouthful.
Well, and it's and it is confirmed actually, because
later, right when Jonna is trying to escape, he runs into
one of his old one of the old pirate crew, Ben Jar Pranic and
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Ben Jar even calls him he he says that, you know, oh, I
can't, I can't believe Brutus released captain Silva from the
Brig and he calls him captain multiple times.
So it's it's all but confirmed. That's.
What I needed, yeah. All but.
Confirmed, but I mean all but confirmed it is confirmed.
I guess I misspoke there, but yeah, yeah, he's but do.
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You think he's he's the most intriguing character.
It I yeah, I'm excited to see where we go with that.
His relationships with other characters.
It seemed to be, I don't know, like we see why am I blinking
the name of owl. I realize it's not an owl, but
well, that's. A good question I.
Believe yes Kim KH apostrophe ymm so yeah the Kim OK.
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Sure, Kim, like he, he's got a lot of interesting relationships
with the pirates, with Kim, perhaps the New Republic like I,
I suspect he will continue to bea driving force for the show and
providing a lot of the interesting like discovery and
depth as we go throughout. I'm actually glad that he's not
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really a Jedi, right? Obviously this this time period
where there's not a lot of Jedi around anyway.
But it's it's just, and it kind of reminds me of what's his
name, the character in Kenobi who is pretending to be a Jedi
with the. First, yeah, I I know who you're
talking. About I should know, but you
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know, while that character was intentionally kind of hiding the
ball and pretending to be a Jedi, John Underwood just plays
along with Wim, right? Wim sees him and he I'm trying
to just, you know, he, Wim makessome immediate assumptions about
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Jon Na Wood and he goes with it.Now, there's still a couple
interesting questions around howdoes Jon Na actually use the
force to get that key? Did he use the force right?
It certainly looks like he did. Looks that way.
So is he a Force user? Who is he?
He's not actually a Jedi. Yeah, exactly.
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I I don't know but. But isn't that a fun thing to?
Ask. But it's another fun thing about
the show that you have all thesequestions that so far have not
been answered, but they're they're giving you the bread
crumbs that you know, at some point they will be.
Yeah, no, and I and I like the mysteries they've they've
outlined so far, whether it's the Jedi or at Aten, which we'll
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dive into more in this episode as well.
But yeah, no, it's it's it's AIIthink he's a he's a interesting
character, right? He's a very interesting
character and I'm excited to learn more about him.
You know, he's not exactly a Jedi, but is Yeah.
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So I guess let's see the, the kids, right?
They, they escape, they try to escape Port Borgo.
They, they get out of the, the, the Brig first and then try to
make their way over to the Onyx Cinder.
And of course, there's some great jokes around how, you
know, the ship is so old and decrepit.
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He's like, oh, it's not, it couldn't be that bad, right?
Because I think the kids tell him, oh, it shouldn't even fly
in. It smells kind of funny.
He's like, ah, it doesn't matter.
And he looks at the ship. He's like, not, not that one,
right? Like, you're not that flying
that one, you know? But of course they, you know,
he, they're about ready to take off.
And the kids convince him we're not leaving without SM 33 and so
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they go back. He goes back and and tries to
rescue SM2. Interesting things one some some
references we actually neglectedto mention last week.
First, I completely forgot we'veseen Port Borgo before.
It is a very deep cut reference to the a pirate port in the
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Young Jedi Knights books. The specifically Shadow Academy,
which is really cool. I love those books by Kevin J
Anderson and everything else. Steven, I believe you.
You were you read that. You love those.
Those as well, I think. Yeah.
Quite a bit, yeah. I mean, I was a long time ago.
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Exactly, exactly long time ago, but it's that's cool to see.
Also, we should have mentioned this, but SM 33 his name is
actually a reference to Smee from Peter Pan, so that that's
really cool as well. I that's.
Really funny, I would not have caught that at all.
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Yeah, exactly. I'm like looking back, I'm like,
oh, of course, right. SM 33 SME.
It's great. Yeah, so.
Clever, yeah. OK, so the kids, they, you know,
they're, they decided to go backfor SME or SM33.
And John, John, he, he goes on his own and that's where he runs
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into his old friend Ben Jar Pranek.
And you know, he's kind of dragging SM33 through this
really cool shop with all sorts of droids.
And of course, on the way, that's when he runs into Captain
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Brutus, his old second command. And we get a nice action
sequence as they try to escape Port Borgo.
I think it's all fairly straightforward this, this
section, but I thought it was really well done.
You know, it's, it was certainlyan enjoyable escape.
Yeah, they did. I, I think the thing I was most
impressed with is they made Borgo really feel like the kind
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of asteroid hideout that it is. Like it's, it's very open and
roomy and then very cramped whenyou've got kind of like the
mining corridors or whatever it is.
You definitely feel the like the, the docking port nature,
you know, is like, you know, Jonas commandeering one of the
little shuttle ships to fly his way back to the ship and, you
know, everything's going to chaos.
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Like, visually, I just thought they did an awesome job making
it feel like a a unique place. And I think that makes the kind
of like, relatively straightforward nature of the
escape feel that much more exciting because it's like,
yeah, like, it's just, you know,John was trying to get back to
the ship, and then the ship's trying to escape.
But the setting, it really really elevates it.
Well, it's one thing I mentionedin the last episode.
I think I love the I love that look because it felt so Star
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Wars. It just felt like grime, dirty
the underworld. It felt like the lower levels of
course on, but with basically more volume to it.
It just worked very well and I appreciated that because it felt
like Star Wars again, But I alsolove the aspect of these kids
that are stuck in this, you know, pirate environment that
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are trying to survive. But it's like, I remember I'm
going to go back to the last episode where they're walking
around trying to find food and it's almost like the wonder of
them knowing that this is kind of cool, but let's try and stick
together. So that's that was a great feel
and watching this also, it's just it's great.
I just, I love the place. Yeah, yeah, no, I just like
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seeing the variety of the aliensand everything else.
It was just really port BOGO wasjust really well done start to
to finish. And the escape was when they
when they finally do get in the ship and start to take off was
really cool with like trying to,you know, detach the fuel line
and they can't. And it's it's keeping him until
he decides to jump into hyperspace from within the port
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and it just snaps the cable and just destroys this huge swath of
the the port it was. Didn't we see something like
that before? I'm trying to remember where we
we saw somebody actually in one of the Star Wars episodes where
they did it hyperspace jump likenot so much to break the fueling
port, but to jump like that at like isn't that.
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The hyperspace skipping from episode 9.
Yes, I think so. Yeah, there's been a number of
like. Things.
Similar types of things, yeah, but yeah, it was it was it was
cool. I just love the the they did a
really good job with the CG as well, just making it look like
that cable was just flying through the the the the port and
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just blowing things up. I did appreciate like that is
the type of cable that like, if you'll excuse my my gore for a
moment, like that is the type ofthing that like just wrecks
people when it hits them in reality, you know, I appreciate
they like because as soon as that cable snapped, I was like,
oh man, how are they going to dothis in like, you know, the PG
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ish nature that this show is kind of generally aiming for and
they I thought they did a good job with it, but like that thing
was deadly. That that's the point I'm trying
to say. Right, as it should be.
For sure. Yeah, exactly.
For sure. So that takes us into hyperspace
and Jonah. And we have like a little bit of
a breather now. All right, Jonah is, you know,
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he's he's with the kids and kindof trying to still pull up,
pretend like he's a Jedi withoutsaying too much.
We see him walking around the ship and pulling knives from
skeletons and and we don't actually see it used in this
episode, but you know, I'm sure it will be used later in the
season. And he gets a, he kind of
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confronts SM33 and SM seems to know what's going on, I think,
but he's not revealing anything to the to the kids.
And I thought the most fascinating part, though, was
how Jonah, yeah, he's with a group of kids, but he could not
care less about them. He's not like necessarily trying
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to harm them, but he's also not trying to help them.
Like he makes his own food and doesn't offer them any until the
very end. And he finishes eating like
there's some food if you guys want it, right?
They all scramble and get it. But he is he is not the most
nurturing, I guess of you know, it's.
Interesting. I was just thinking William,
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like I was actually impressed with how accommodating he was.
Like I realized that's kind of what SM is there for, like to
discourage anything. But like he did rescue SM 33 in
the 1st place. So he's clearly like to some
degree OK with it and. That's what I think he he does
have an element of goodness to him, even if he's more, he's
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kind of like a Han Solo character where he doesn't
really want to help necessarily,but he kind of will help when
push comes to shove. I don't know what.
Yeah, I'm like I said, it makes me really good to see where he
goes throughout the season because like I, I have to
imagine he's going to get more and more drawn in with the kids.
But where, where does that leavehim?
Like, what is what is his goal right now?
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And I I just, I don't know. Yeah.
Probably his main goal is to escape from being captive and
then also, I would think, tryingto figure out where these kids
are from actually it. Is true.
He's chasing the treasure of it all.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but it makes me I wonder if we're going to get some sort
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of scene later on where I mean, we don't even we should talk
about the AT Aten as well, but. Yeah, let's.
Is there a treasure there? And I, if there is, I suspect
we'll have to see Jonna decide. Does he help the kids?
Does he take the treasure? And he'll have to make that
choice. And that will be.
Character development, I think you are 100% correct to Steven
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and and that's the I think one of the big things about this and
we speculated a little bit last episode in the premiere with
some of the early. Hints, but we learn a bit more,
right, I guess before we actually get many reveals.
The kids themselves start to what if they've heard about this
treasure and they're like, no, we haven't seen any treasure
before. But even Neil starts to wonder,
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is there treasure on that admin right.
We've seen there, we talked about this last, last week, how
the parents have all these strange administrative jobs, but
the kids don't even know what their parents are actually
doing, right? They're all an admin, or they're
or they're analysts. Is it to be fair, Tom, like it
at that age? Like did your kids know what you
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did it? Could they described it or were
you just like? I can see your kids knowing Tom,
but I think the average. Hang on, believe it or not, I
was sitting there thinking the exact same thing.
Kids that age really when it comes to the parents jobs aren't
really looking at, hey, what do you do?
Right. OK.
Because they're just being kids.It's as you get older, then you
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kind of you have like an idea. I mean, yeah, my, my dad, like
my, my dad used to work in the defense industry or my dad used
to do like a bunch of ordering for stuff.
I mean, that's all I knew. I never got down to the actual
brass tacks, right. These kids will probably be
like, yeah, you know, my, my momhappens to be a big within the
administration or my dad is an administrator, you know, because
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he's got this thing he has to beat like he's being audited like
crazy. I mean, that that's all you
really know. No, isn't that true?
I mean, the his dad was just like, you know, I I've got this,
I've got to do. I'm going to be, I'm going to be
busy all week because I've got all and I had to come down here
for school because I had to sit here and bail you out.
But I was in the middle of this thing.
So that's all the kids know. The kids don't know the actual
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job. Right, exactly.
And and as it makes it's natural, I think they wouldn't
fully know, but it is fascinating.
They start to wonder, OK, well, we actually don't.
We don't really know what our parents do.
And so maybe there is something else happening with at at and
like, is there something we don't know about?
It's it's very possible. And the and the other thing you
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have to look at. So they were in an area that was
basically restricted where they found this ship.
So up until that point, there isno reason for them to try and
figure out why was that area of quote UN quote restricted.
What other kind of hidden, let'ssay gem is in that area other
than a ship and why is it restricted?
Great question. Great question.
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There's I think the mystery of Ad Aton is one of my favorite
mysteries in the show. There's the mystery of John and
the wood and the mystery of Ad Aton.
And the Ad Aton 1 is very, very intriguing to me.
That's the biggest one. That is the biggest one of the
whole show. Exactly.
Yeah. And we go.
So we go to, sorry, this unnamedobservatory Moon to meet John on
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the woods friend known as Kim. We alluded to her earlier,
played by Aaliyah Shakat. And she's like this kind of a
cool owl character. I wasn't sure what to make of
her at first, but I think I think she's kind of a cool
character. Yeah.
I, you know and I. Totally agree I.
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Just love the visuals of the moon with the giant planet in
the sky and the otherworldly music.
It's it's it's the whole place was was really well done.
Sorry Steven, you have some thoughts I.
Was going to say like I thought Kim was a great example of like
if this were a different style of show I think I would have
liked her to be a little bit less owl like a little more
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alien for I mean again like for a show where most of the main
stars are all children like I think it is perfect.
Yes, I totally agree with you. Yeah, I totally do.
But you can. It works.
Go ahead As I'm thinking about more, it's like the if you if we
think about the show is taking place from the kids perspective,
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they would absolutely be like, Oh yeah.
And then we met an owl like liketechnically not an owl.
They were. Let me describe the ways that
this is not an owl, but. Right for the purpose.
It's one of those things. It's an owl.
Yeah, and it's one of those things in which you could see a
kid, he's telling a tall tale that would be a character in
that quote UN quote tale is. Oh, yeah, you meant an owl.
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Sure. I mean, sure, a talking owl, you
know, So that that totally worksin this case.
And honestly, when I saw that, it took me like a couple
minutes, yeah, not in less than a couple minutes to just have
your brain click saying, OK, this does work.
I had that same initial reactionfor like almost too much of an
owl, but then it it worked it ittotally worked and I think your
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your both of your points are exactly why it works.
And I think it worked. It worked well because of the
environment the owl was in, because she's a scholar.
She's she's an astronomer. She looks at star maps and all
this. That's how to me, when when she
mentioned all that and you knew what her job was, that's where
it completely clicked for me. That's something that makes
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sense. Even though a kid could make it
a quote UN quote tall tale, it still makes sense that a
creature like that would be in that type of a position.
Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
And you know, of course, her, her whole place, this
observatory out and on a, on a moon is really cool.
And you know, she's guarded by these gatekeeper droids.
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It's it's really neat, right. And there also has a little bit
of I, I felt a little bit of like the Lando Han relationship,
right. Oh, we go way back.
We don't really trust each other, you know, from, from
Empire. Great description.
And again, a lot of we get a 1/3name for John Onda Wood.
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This time his name she's he's referred to as Crimson Jack.
So we get. I don't know if any of these
names are really his, if I'm being.
Honest Man rebranded a few times, you know.
It sounds like it. Yeah, Captain Salvo, Crimson,
Jack John Onda Wood. Yeah, lots of who Who knows who
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he really is and what his name is at this point.
But yeah, we get some expositionin the scene and we learn that
at Aton was a planet purposefully hidden from the
rest of the Galaxy. There's no map.
And in fact, it's one of the jewels of the Old Republic, 9
planets of wonder that were kepthidden for their protection.
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And I guess they were all destroyed long ago except for at
Aton. And so that brings us so many
questions. And one like, OK, what?
What are they hiding? Because it's it's one of the
jewels of the Old Republic. So it has to be something, you
know, lots of lots of wonder on this planet.
So it sounds like more than justtreasure, necessarily like
something, it's going to be something wonderful on the
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planet. And then why were the other 8
destroyed? Right?
I have. And who destroyed them?
And who destroyed them? Right.
That's the question who destroyed them?
Yeah, but I think. Was it that they were destroyed
or just that they've like been destroyed over time if I lost my
time? Could be if I if if I understood
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correctly, and again this is trying to remember because we
saw this later, earlier I think she just flat out said they were
destroyed. Not so much over quote UN quote
time, but. Interesting.
OK, so that doesn't apply. A certain amount of malice,
shall we say? Yeah, I mean, it's not, it's not
possible natural. But yeah.
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Yeah, but but it seemed like theway that she brought it up, if
it was a natural kind of quote UN quote destroyed, it would
have taken a lot of a long time.But from the sound of it, they
were all destroyed, meaning almost I would say not one fell
swoop, but they were like the planets probably doesn't exist
anymore. That's why and that probably is
the biggest question. Why is there a barrier around at
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at right or here's the other thing.
I just. Thought or is it?
We're they destroyed? Because if there's a barrier
around at AT and to keep it hidden, did the other ones
really get destroyed or they just quote UN quote lost lost to
time because they also have a barrier as well?
Right. And is it, is it an actual
barrier that was constructed or it, you know, it's kind of
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implied too, that maybe the barriers actually gases from a
nebula around a planet that thatkeep the planet hidden.
That was how I interpreted it, like there are multiple of these
kind of jewels and this one survived because of this natural
barrier that existed. Like I said too.
But if I remember correct, when they were going through the
barrier, did you not see little red dots almost like it was,
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let's say a force field? But if it was a force field, I
doubt the ship would have been able to go through it, right?
So let's theoretically state if I was correct by seeing those
little red dots. Maybe those little red dots were
able to keep whatever kind of gashes thing hiding it.
Interesting. Forests.
Oh, I like that theory. Maybe it's more of a less of
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like a laser barrier type of thing, or like we see in Rogue
One and more of a yeah, these things are keeping the gases
around the planet. Interesting.
Yeah, and that that's why it's hidden.
Yeah. And this just makes me more
excited to find out because all of these to be interpreted as
correct, you know? It's such a cool concept though.
I just love the the concept of aplanet from the Old Republic or
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potentially the Higher Republic.I mean, they do say Jewels of
the Old Republic, but that doesn't necessarily rule out
that they're from, you know, great work.
From the public, I'm sorry, I'm saying.
Old Republic and but I love the planet, the concept of this
planet that's been lost to time,right?
This is this legendary planet that may or may not have this
treasure, other wonders, but hasbeen intentionally or
unintentionally hidden from the world of the Galaxy.
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And these kids are from it. And now they don't know how to
get back to their own own home planet because they've left and
have no way to retrace their stuff.
I just think it's such a cool concept.
Yeah. And, and here's another little
thing I'm going to throw out there.
Literally, is it really hidden? Wouldn't it be surprising if
someone somewhere, somehow within the quote UN quote New
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Republic still knows it it? Exists I'm I don't think it has
to be the case right, because eventually they will they got to
find their way home. So it has to be some clue
somewhere in the Galaxy. Well.
Well, we we do get a clue in this episode, right?
Yes, we do. Yeah, I mean they.
No, go ahead, go ahead. No, you're exactly right.
Because like, they, you know, they're able to use and I, I, I
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like how they use these, you know, they use like they asked
the, you know, Kim asked the kids what kind of what do you
see in the sky? They of course didn't know
because they can't see the stars, but.
What do you see in the sky? No.
Nothing. Just what?
What always, always see. The sky?
No, you just don't want to answer my question.
Right, exactly. But you know, they were able to
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figure out, OK, it was only one in, you know, there's only
10,000 worlds that have a barrier and then oh, OK, there's
only, you know, so many planets that have used palmarish
numerals, right? And that kind of helps them
theoretically find their home planet.
They, they kind of have to leavevery quickly before we'll get
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into that in a moment before they can confirm that they're in
the right place. But what do you guys think?
Do you do you think in theory they have the coordinates for
the planet now in theory? There's, there's one.
There's one thing you left out though, because I do remember.
Yeah, the God, I'm terrible at names.
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The the main girl who is the come up with the pirate captain,
Her mother gave her a Fern. Yeah, I think it was a patch or
some kind of symbol. Pardon.
Yep. The Fern.
Yeah, her the Fern. Not the pirate, but the Yeah,
she's more of a. The smaller type character,
yeah, so right. So her her mom gave her some
kind of coin metal patch or whatever.
Remember in in that. Right, the head of the class
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symbol. The head of the class and Kim
saw that, took it and started dissecting the symbol in it.
Right. And if I remember correct,
right, and if I remember correct, I think she said it was
almost quote UN quote directionsor a map that was within that
symbol cuz you saw it completelybeing broken down.
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And then that's basically when they bailed.
Yeah. So you never got to see the
finish of what happened. But do you think, do you think
they'll return home next week oris it going to take longer?
I think it's going to be. Longer I I think it's going to
be longer. A reverse treasure map?
I mean, I guess it's a reverse. I think it is a treasure map,
but they started there left and now they have to follow the
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treasure map back to at at. And right.
Yeah, totally agree. And of course, they're the ones
who can solve it because they happen to have these key clues
because, you know, they they were from there.
Right. Yeah, yeah.
But I would, I would really hopethat they don't return next week
or the next episode because thenit's going to be like, OK, that
was pretty cheap. You had him back so quick.
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I think I, I would have to say they have to be back within two
episodes, maybe 2 1/2 because you still have let's quote UN
quote say a chase going on with a pirate.
Den knows technically this placeexists.
You have Janu, right? He he could have let something
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slip. So there's a race to try and
find this planet. So they've got to get back to
basically warn the planet that there's pirates coming.
And now the biggest question is.If I put on my writer's hat,
like the story that needs that be told is a the parents need to
decide to leave at Aton. Whether they do or not is kind
of orthogonal. But like, you know, they, they
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will make a decision to leave the planet to go find their
kids. The kids obviously need to like
find their way back and then they need to leave the pirates
back so that we can get the finale of protecting Adaton from
the pirates. Right, but then that, well, they
also define the treasure. Extra question.
Right and then. But if there is treasure, find
the treasure on the planet, whatever it might be.
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And that could take some, some amount of time too.
I, I think so, yeah. I don't know.
Here's here's the other thing you got to ask yourself.
OK, so you have a planet Adaton,that everybody was basically
staying behind this barrier, andit appears there are no
starships that ever have left that field, and this was the
only one that's done it throughout these centuries.
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Do they have the ability to actually get outside that field?
And if they do, do you think theparents would actually go find
them? Because if the parents still
have in, if the parents don't have any idea what's out there,
where'd be the first place they would look?
Yeah, I because there's there's no clues to go on to.
I have to imagine someone someone would have been given
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access to a ship that's hidden somewhere on the planet for
emergency purposes, right, But probably like the whoever's
leading the planet. I, I think there's an
interesting, you know, you mentioned the family, Steven,
and I think that's, there's something interesting there too.
Where, yeah, at the beginning ofthe episode, we see all the
parents gathered together, right?
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Wendell, Under Secretary Farah, Neil's mother, Numa, KB's
family, I think it was Marie andGary and and others.
And one, they're all shocked that the ship left the barrier
illegally. 2, where we hear the supervisor, whoever that that
is, a mysterious supervisor has deemed contact outside of the
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barrier risky and in fact has forbidden leaving.
And so there's an interesting question of why are they
forbidden to leave, Right. And, and do you said, Tom, do
they even have the ability to leave or is it only something
the supervisor has? Yeah.
I, I, I wonder what is going on there.
I think there's also something, I don't know if we talked about
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this, I don't think we talked about this last week.
But for the most part, we, you know, I think Under Secretary
Farah Fern's mother is probably the most high-ranking individual
we've seen so far, the adult so far on the show as far as the
planetary government goes. But all the other droids are,
are all the other beings we see on this planet are security
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droids or what I think what theycall safety droids.
And this reference to a supervisor, but do they even
exist? Like who is the supervisor?
Is it kind of like a? Is it a Droid who's running
everything or kind of a? That makes me wonder.
Wizard of Oz style, right behindthe curtain control.
Yeah. Yeah, I don't, I don't know,
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Like I think there's a lot more to learn about this planet too.
And do the parents even know wholike how things are being run?
I I don't know. Fascinating question.
It could be one of those things in which depending on your level
of quote, UN quote government, the more you know, the lower you
are, the less you know. But as you start moving up, then
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you start seeing how if there isa supervisor who's the 2nd in
command, is there an actual Starship on the planet to leave
in case there's an emergency? And that's the other question.
Is anybody actually monitoring what's happening in the quote UN
quote Galaxy at this point? I don't think so, right, Because
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even and Kim even makes a reference later.
Oh, missed the ward, did you? Right.
Like they clearly don't know anything that's happening in the
outside world. But but then again, it gets back
to it gets back to that questionof could the supervisor know
because he's quote, UN quote or she or robot or whatever is
because they're the supervisor. They know what's happening in
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the outside world, but they're keeping everybody else on the
planet and in the dark because that way it's keeping the planet
because of the programming or however it's been structured,
keeping that jewel of the Republic hidden.
Yeah, I don't know, I think comes back to what is what makes
AD Adam special. Yes.
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And I'm, I hope it's not this, but I am.
I have a feeling it might be a like, perfect society kind of
thing. Everyone has a job.
Everyone is employed. You know, droids keep everyone
safe. And that's also the reason for
all the, like, heavy countermeasures and safe, like,
you know, no one's allowed to leave or come or go because
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they're trying to keep it. Yeah.
It's. Interesting.
Overly perfect society. I could see that.
And maybe, oh, and if that's thecase, maybe that's why the other
planets were destroyed is because let's say the, the, the
general public rebelled. Interest.
Yeah. I wonder if it was like.
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It's problematic because like the other plants were destroyed
because they're, they were, I don't know, people came to them
like well. Or or what if?
What if it's more of like a quest to make a?
There was a? Utopian.
Planet exactly like during the High Republic they were like
let's create a utopian society free of all of the you know
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nastiness of the rest of the Galaxy.
And so we're going to create 9 planets that are each
sequestered and supposed to be jewels like jewels as in like
perfect, perfect planets where everyone's happy and, and kind
of leave them as on their own without any contact.
So they can't be infected by anything or touched by anything.
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But at some point these different, the planets broke
down where the people got upset that it was, you know, it looks
nice on the surface, but underneath it's really dark.
And there's, you know, people don't have much choice and, and,
and it just kind of the society falls apart.
Right. Yeah, I guess I could see it.
I'm like maybe we've gotten the pieces of that like what it cuz
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Aden also has this kind of like,I don't wanna call it sinister
quite 'cause I don't think it's quite that far from the bits
we've seen yet. But it does feel like there is
more going on under the covers than what we've seen.
Yeah. Right.
No. Definitely.
Yeah. I can definitely see that become
part of the story of like, you know, they bring people that
aton and yes, that is kind of bad because the planet is no
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longer sheltered, but also maybeit's good because the planet is
stagnant or, you know, whatever it might be.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But in the process, they're
perfect. The utopian society falls apart.
And that is why the the jewel was destroyed, not because it
was blown up or, you know, decayed or something, but just
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their utopian society fell apart.
Right. I don't know.
Interesting. Interesting.
Yeah. And it, it might be nothing like
that. It might just be an actual
treasure. Who knows?
Yeah. I don't know this constantly
utopian society Might be a little might be a little out
there for like a kid or not a kids.
Show but children, you don't understand the real treasure is
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a society that values you and. OK.
But but technically if you look at it from the point of view of
the pirates, there is treasure because they did have older
public credits. Yeah, that's and it was in
pristine condition, right? So that there is quote UN quote
treasure on that planet, utopianor not.
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Who knows? I, we, it could be we're off
base and it could be just a giant treasure vault too.
So, you know, yeah. It could be like Fort Knox
exactly, but it's Old Republic. Alright, I am now just picturing
a scene where like the kids get back, they think there's a trash
in there. Like the treasure is here.
Sorry. It's just like we now know the
treasure is the society that we have.
It's like, no, no, guys, we we got like 30 billion Republic
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credits in it of all back there.Like, yeah, you know, they just
open the door. They've got the Scrooge Mcduck,
you know, money pool going and. Then you see, you see the
supervisor diving in there like.Yeah, exactly, you guys.
Needed me, I was just. Going for my afternoon swim.
I didn't know you should have knocked on the door.
And then he's got that. He's got that one Old Republic
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credit that's framed because that's the first one that he
earned. I guess, I guess we'll see.
I I'm also curious to know more about KB.
We haven't talked about her quite as much, but in this, you
know, we know she's a, a Cyborg like Lobot and she has these
augs or augmentations, but I, I kind of wonder we, we never
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learned about how Lobot became the way he is, right?
I, I actually forget there may be something in legends.
I'm very rusty. I'm sure there is something in
Legends. I don't think it counts.
There's got to be something. But like for KB and specifically
right, it looks like her parentsare not augmented.
So was she was she augmented fora medical reason?
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Was she like that? Or is she can decide that I
wanted to be augmented for some unknown benefits?
Like they mentioned her losing the signal to her life monitor,
so maybe it's health related. But it also could just be her
like tracker, you know? The the equivalent of the Apple
Air tag exactly. Well, here, here's a crazy
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thing. Maybe, maybe she is a Cyborg.
Well. I think she is, but the question
is like, why? Well.
No, no, no, I mean an actual actual created Cyborg.
Oh, I see. Yeah.
Yes. I don't know, maybe.
Yeah, yeah. Many questions about how she
became the way she is. Hopefully we'll we'll find out.
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We went on a long tangent though, because back to the
observatory moon. Yeah, I.
Hate to say this, but wasn't that tangent fun?
It was great. It was great.
Yeah, it was great. So Kim, she ends up kind of
turning them in now. I actually think, I think she
was trying to be good. I think she's actually a good
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character here because when you watch it, Oh yeah, she's turning
them in like the New Republic iscoming in to capture them or
something. But I actually think she's
looking at this like it's a bunch of kids who are with this
somewhat unreputable guy and they need help.
I'm going to call a new Republican.
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I want to add a little bit William.
I don't think it's sufficient tosay somewhat unreputable.
Like you don't become you don't get the name Crimson Jack by be
like, oh, Crimson Jack. That's because he spilled paint
on himself once. Like you know what?
Four children have just arrived in the presence of a known and
like very disreputable likely. Very dangerous, right Pirate?
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Dangerous pirate who is raided multiple ships like I mean.
He leads the attack, that very brutal attack.
Allegedly. At the beginning of the series,
right? So he was the leader, he led
that attack, right? Well, but also, is it a
possibility she did it because she wanted to make sure that
Aden stayed hidden and that way she got the New Republic
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involved. They were, they could be able
and would be able and hopefully able to keep the pirates at Bay
and not destroy this utopian society.
Because maybe, like I said, there is that one person that
somehow she knows about, that knows the actual history of AT
and it should be kept that way. Yeah, it's possible, but it's
such an interesting, you know, we always think of the New
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Republic as the good guys, right?
And in the show, they're kind oflike the X Wing is kind of
framed as the bad guys. They have to escape before he
gets the, you know, gets them. But he's still technically the
good guys right here. I think they're trying to help
these kids. And but the kids don't know
that. The kids don't know that
exactly. Yeah, the kids don't.
But it's a, it's a, it's a really interesting way to frame.
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And I mean, we've seen that in The Mandalorian where the X
wings are, you know, like Dinjaran trying to run away from
the X wings. But that makes sense because
he's a bounty hunter and they try to, you know, he's he's he's
breaking the law. But yeah, it's fascinating to
see it in in this in this context.
And and Kim does warn the kids, right?
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Don't trust Crimson Jack. He's just after you and your
treasure. But you know, they don't want to
leave and they don't, they don'treally believe her.
They they still want to get out of there.
But she does offer to help them anytime they need help.
So I suspect they'll come back to her, right?
Hopefully they still have the directions back to her and they
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have the ability to do it. Yeah, she she's certainly does
not know where the planet is anymore because they destroyed
it the the computer. Although I feel like with those
I don't know, she might be able to start narrowing it down just
from the knowledge she has aboutthe the planet.
Who knows? But we had a really cool escape
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where, I mean, thanks first before they even bored the
planet. The the the Onyx sender, the
kids confront John not and say, Hey, you're working for us,
right? We, if you're, if we're going to
be together, you're working for us and you have to tell us the
truth. And that's when he does admit
that. Well, I didn't say I was a Jedi.
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I just implied it and said things that Jedi might say, but
they agree to work together. And I think this.
We'll see what Jonna's game is, but at least the kids know his
well. The first of his secrets, yeah.
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So Steven, take us through this this escape because I know you
love your your X wings. Yeah.
I mean this this escape is what makes me, I think most question.
I'm just going to start saying Silvo.
Is it OK to say Silvo now instead of Jonna?
It's much easier to say, that's for sure.
Or Crimson Jack pick. Your poison, right?
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You know what I like Crimson Jack.
I think Crimson Jack's better. Or CJ if you prefer, you know.
CJ in any. Case in the moment where I like
was most glued to the television, not just because it
was, you know, an exciting escape, because I was really
curious where this was going to go.
They're they're trying to escapefrom the X wings and Silvo has
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the kids get on the turbolasers or the whatever the turrets for
the ship and starts firing away at the X wings.
And I was just sitting there watching like, oh man, I just
feel like we're about to watch children commit murder.
Like they are going to be scarred for life.
They don't even know it. Thankfully, it did not happen.
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The kids are understandably really bad at aiming.
But, and I, I think the X Wings are pulling their punches too,
because I know there's at least a mention of that like, oh,
their kids on board or somethinglike that.
Yeah, he doesn't want to hurt them, but but still.
Right. It cracked me up watching them
firing away like this is not. It's not good.
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Yeah, no, I it was, it's kind ofa cool concept there.
They had to get to the other side of the planet and as soon
as they do, they could jump intohyperspace.
Once they're on the the, the bright side of the moon and and
then they could jump into hyperspace and, and escape.
And you got KB plugging in the coordinates and Neil is tasked
with flying the ship of all people.
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Found your breakout character. Yeah, Neil is.
Fantastic. I love.
Neil, he is. He is great.
And yeah, they make it to the sunrise and jump into
hyperspace. And that's pretty much where the
episode leaves us. I mean, Kim talks to the the X
Wing Commander Kent and says, you know, if you if I told you
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where they were going, you wouldn't believe me.
And that's pretty much it. Yeah, good final line, I
thought. Yep.
Yeah. And, and and then we're, you
know, that leaves us until next week to find out where they did.
Did they go to Adaton or did they just jump somewhere random
or are they going to have to have some stopover before they
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can make it to Adaton? I suspect so.
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.
We'll see, we will see, but I sofar I am, I am definitely on
board with this, this show. It's a lot of fun.
They've done a phenomenal job with it.
Yeah, I mean even like and it and I think the fact that it
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works on so many layers is impressive all its own.
ABS absolutely it it is. It's a fun show to watch
because, like you said, Steven, there are so many layers, but it
seems like it's nothing that's going to bore you and you're
just waiting to find out the solution and how it's going to
play out at the end. I I totally love it.
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We really do. Actually, yeah.
Well, if we were going to give this episode a rating, what
would you get it? I mean, that sounds like a great
question for you to answer, William.
Yeah, why don't you do it? You go first.
OK, OK, you know I this is a really fun one.
I liked seeing the observatory moon and the escape from Port
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Borgo was, you know, straightforward for the most
part, but enjoyable. I also like they didn't keep us
hanging on John Underwood and his and we still wonder this
open question about who he is and what his goals are.
But at least we know he's not a Jedi.
And they they resolved that veryquickly, which I appreciated.
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And so, yeah, I think, you know,man, I, I probably would give
this episode 8 out of 10. Just another really solid, fun
episode with, you know, the kidsand Jonna in the woods are
really our first time getting toto meet Jonna.
And I'm excited to see where they go from here.
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And I just want to learn more about this this planet, what is
what is Adatin rich, really? And this, the show's mysteries
have me hooked. So yeah, I'll give it 8 and 8
womp rats out of 10 and my 8 womp rats, they actually they
didn't show this was a deleted scene.
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But the Adatin also is home to quite a womp rat population.
And so that's also what Kim usedto help track down the the
location of Adatin because you know, large population of womp
rats with a barrier nebula out that narrows it down pretty.
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Quick makes sense to me. Sounds good, Steven, you go
next. Yeah, I mean, I really, I think
you hit a lot of the highlights,William, but I think I was most
impressed with this episode and that it was just thoroughly
solid throughout, despite being,I'd say, pretty heavy on
exposition and very point to point.
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We get the first escape, you know, couple of scenes on the
ship and then more exposition with Kim and then A a second
escape like very, you know, A, then B, then C, then D and then
we're out. But incredibly solid throughout.
And I'm like, I was, we were just saying like I'm most
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impressed by the the way they layer the show.
We have a very straightforward kind of like a plot with the
kids where it's just like the kids are trying to get home.
But there is all these differentkind of like undercurrents of
mystery with Silva and the planet and all these different
pieces that make for a really engaging show.
So I'm also going to give an 8 out of 10.
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And I just, you know, like I wasreminded the other day, you
know, when you're making cartoons for kids and you want
stuff to die, but you don't wantto have it be people like you
have to, you know, you have to skirt the sensors a little bit.
So you like, ah, they killed a robot or whatever it might be.
So in order to make give a little more action to the show,
they were trying to add another sequence.
There were actually two more X wings and they were each being
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piloted by 4 womp rats and the kids just blasted them,
destroyed womp rats strewn across the the moon's surface.
They ultimately decided not to include it in the episode
because I thought it was a little bit distracting, but that
was their way of, you know, letting the kids, you know,
really do some work with those turrets before they decide to
cut it. Nice.
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Tom very nice. Can I just say Ditto.
I honestly believe you guys well, but you guys summed it up
very well. What what more is there for me
to add? I mean, I, I loved, I love many
aspects of the show. I really like how they're slowly
rolling out the mystery of Ad Atten, but not in a point to
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where it's going to bore you or it doesn't make any sense, but
it's keeping you engaged with the show.
I love the acting of this. I love how I love the whole feel
of it. And I just, I also have to give
the show an 8. So we're going to give it an 8
across the board and there's notmuch more for me to say.
I just I want to see where it goes and I think they've really
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set themselves up for a very interesting series and I would
love to see it go to Season 3. But Steven, it's got to go to
Season 2 first. I don't know why you think that.
I think we just should skip straight from season 3 one to
season 3. OK, let's check.
Well, and then we'll go back in a few years and do a Season 2
later. Yeah, we could try.
And that'll become the next mystery is what happened in
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Season 2. Good point, you know.
I'm just saying I think we got, I think we got a thing here.
We should pitch. It OK, all right, Well anyway, I
gave it Nate and I'm going to take my 8 womp rats.
See The thing is, somebody's gotto keep that barrier around at
at and basically glowing and working.
So for all these centuries or millennia or whatever, these 8
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womp rats have been on a little hamster wheel working their butt
off to keep that thing going and, and glowing and just making
sure that it's there to keep that planet protected.
And they're getting to the pointto where they're waiting for
another 8 womp brats after all these millennia to take over for
them. But gosh, they keep on ticking.
I. Love it, I love it and you know,
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I'm kind of surprised none of ussaid that the treasure is the
womp rats on Adaptant but. That's a good.
Point we we'll get there Williamwe'll get third hitting that
we'll we'll come back to it I'm.Sure you you may have you may
have played our hand a little. Too soon.
But somebody will say it at somepoint, yeah.
Love it. Well, this was really fun.
I as always, I love talking withyou guys and breaking down Star
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Wars with you both. We will be taking a brief break
for for Christmas. I know that the show will keep
on airing, so we will be back. I think we're targeting the
Sunday after Christmas, like theright before the end of the
month for our review of both Skeleton Crew Episode 4 and
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Skeleton Crew Episode 5. Then we'll be with you for the
rest of the season just from, for scheduling reasons, taking a
one week off. But yeah, we are.
It's been so much fun. I cannot wait to see what
happens next and whether they find at at.
It's so fun to have a Star Wars show that it's just so many
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interesting mysteries that we can all talk about and speculate
about. And I'm excited to continue
digging into the show with you guys more later this month and
in the new year, so. I'm going to throw this out
there. I hope they don't find that at
before we come back. Maybe they will, actually.
I wouldn't be opposed, right, aslong as there's an interesting
mystery on that Aton. I wouldn't be opposed, but it it
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would it would be fun to where they waited until we come back
and then find that aton. Exactly, exactly.
But for all of you, we will talkto you guys when we get back
from from the holiday break. I hope you'll enjoy your
Christmas and holidays and we will get back to you right
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Hey, laser clickers. Welcome to the Iron Cannon
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podcast. I'm one of your hosts Steven and
I'm joined by my friends and Co host Tom and William.
We are here to talk about season3.
I always do that. Season 1 episode 3.
Maybe we'll get a Season 3. Hey, you're just, you're just
being optimistic, right? Yeah, it's.
Good enough that I I hope we getto Season 3.
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I would not mind, but Season 1, Episode 3 of Scalping Crew, that
is what we're talking about. We are recording ahead of time,
so we don't quite have the titleyet, but you know, I'm sure it's
an awesome title. It they're just throwing a
wrench in your your puns, Steven, how do you do a pun if
there's no episode title? You don't.
You can't. Oh man, much like Jana JA JA in
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the Woods name, we don't actually know what this episode
is titled, what its real name is.
OK, I'll give. I'll give it to you.
It's not the worst. Little week, a little week.
Now I'd like to see you both come up with better when we
don't actually have a name, so don't even.
OK, I will give you that. Well, yes, we are here to review
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Skeleton Crew Episode 3. Before we get into that though,
couple interesting things to note. 1st, The Mandalorian.
Grogu has finished filming and Dave Filoni is currently well
into writing Ahsoka per Extra. And Indywire adds that Ahsoka
will actually scheduled to film in the UK in April.
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So they are moving the show out of out of LA, out of the volume
because the volume is only in LAand it'll be done in the UK like
Andor and of course many of the films.
So that's cool to see. Hopefully it means a lot more
practical sets and. I actually really like that,
yeah. It makes me happy, yeah.
I you know, the volume is an incredible technology without a
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doubt, but like any technology, you can't over rely on it too
much. And it's it's great for very
specific use cases and when it'sused well, it is phenomenal.
But it is nice that they're expanding to other stuff too.
I sorry, I was going to sigh. Without trying to go too deep
here. I feel like this is kind of the
what Star Wars does is pioneer new technology to the point of
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overusing it and then realizing like, maybe, you know, movies,
television would be better if westepped back from it just a
little bit. Yeah, just a just a tiny bit.
But you know, again, it's like it's they they still can use it
for the times where it makes sense.
And so I think it's as long as they find that right balance, I
think that's a that's a good thing.
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But it's great to see Ahsoka coming.
The fact that The Mandalorian Guruku has finished filming
means it's a movie that's actually happening.
So that's good and. Yeah.
Let's let's not count our chickens before they've hatched,
William. OK.
Yeah, most likely you're right. I mean, as soon as they start
filming, I think that's high likelihood of of release at that
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point, so. But yeah, we'll put it this way.
They're not going to have Dave Filoni write anything if it's
not going to be produced. So I don't know.
If that's true. Well, I feel like if it's Dave
Filoni, though, it's a much higher likelihood of of
happening than if it's it's happening some other unknown
directory. So yeah.
So anyway, I'm very excited about both of those.
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Of course, Ahsoka season 2 sounds, you know, I'm so excited
to see what they do there. So another news we've all been
waiting for what they do next with animation.
And we have our answer sort of though no, they have not
announced the next series after The Bad Batch yet.
We're still waiting on that thatannouncement.
(04:05):
But they have confirmed that Star Wars Visions Volume 3 is
coming next year in 2025. So this was announced right
after we recorded our last episode, I think maybe before it
went live. So it's a little bit older news,
but still we're going to get another nine shorts from 9
different studios. I think we've talked about
Visions in the past. They're they're interesting.
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It's not my favorite series admittedly, but that's OK.
I think a lot of people love it and I'm excited to see what they
do in Volume 3. It sounds like they're kind of
going back to their roots with more anime style installments
like they did in the first volume.
So interesting. Yeah, yeah.
So. We'll see.
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With that, shall we get into ourreview of Skeleton Crew?
Yes, we can because we're going to be reviewing Season 1 Episode
3 of Skeleton Crew. We do not have a title as of
yet. Insert title here.
Sorry Tom, you're going to make me go back and try to edit it
in, aren't you? No, I'm not so anyway.
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Steven. Steven did.
We did joke about that before the show, we still did, but
honestly I didn't want to go back and have to edit it in
after the episode airs so. No, we'll just, I don't think
it's a big deal. I think insert title here was
just a fantastic episode and I think it's I think it's worth
the editing, you know? I think it I think that episode
being directed by David Lowery and it was written by
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Christopher Freud and John Watts.
I thought that was one of the best episodes so far out of the
three we have seen. Because in this episode, the
kids are still trying to find their way back home with the
help of Is it really a mysterious Jedi?
Is the. Question.
I wrote that, you know, we'll see.
Who knows, but. But it's a good thing to throw
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out there because maybe that's why we have No title for this
episode, because maybe that's why it's a mystery.
So thanks for getting us back onon track, Tom.
Yeah. So like we we did see this
episode along with the first twothat Lucasfilm has kind of sent
us screeners. But now we can finally talk
about it. So I'm excited to dive into this
episode. It starts, you know, I think
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where we left off last week, right, was the the two episode
season premiere at the very end.We met John on nobody actually,
I think hadn't even told us his name yet.
But we we meet him and we find out in this episode.
He kind of portrays himself. Well, I would say he never
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claims he's a Jedi, but he certainly plays along with Wims
assumptions and I think we see by the end of this episode he's
he's definitely not a definitelynot a Jedi.
What did you think of John Underwood's character?
I guess I'll start with you Steven.
What did you think of John Underwood?
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I mean, I'd say he's probably like this, Sorry, this is going
to sound very obvious, but like,I think he's probably the most
interesting character in the show.
That's not a surprise because a,we're comparing child actors
against adult actor. And then on top of that,
obviously Jude Law is like a very storied and successful
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actor who will have more creditsthan any child, children that
are like, whatever, terrible. Like, just just by nature.
Yeah. But no, like we kind of like I'd
alluded to or theorized in the previous episode, like it seems
to be Captain Silvo. Like, we'll talk about that
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Where like folks seem to recognize and, you know, Captain
Silva was escaped from the Brig at the same time that jod na,
jod jod jod na. Yeah, said it's a mouthful.
Well, and it's and it is confirmed actually, because
later, right when Jonna is trying to escape, he runs into
one of his old one of the old pirate crew, Ben Jar Pranic and
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Ben Jar even calls him he he says that, you know, oh, I
can't, I can't believe Brutus released captain Silva from the
Brig and he calls him captain multiple times.
So it's it's all but confirmed. That's.
What I needed, yeah. All but.
Confirmed, but I mean all but confirmed it is confirmed.
I guess I misspoke there, but yeah, yeah, he's but do.
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You think he's he's the most intriguing character.
It I yeah, I'm excited to see where we go with that.
His relationships with other characters.
It seemed to be, I don't know, like we see why am I blinking
the name of owl. I realize it's not an owl, but
well, that's. A good question I.
Believe yes Kim KH apostrophe ymm so yeah the Kim OK.
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Sure, Kim, like he, he's got a lot of interesting relationships
with the pirates, with Kim, perhaps the New Republic like I,
I suspect he will continue to bea driving force for the show and
providing a lot of the interesting like discovery and
depth as we go throughout. I'm actually glad that he's not
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really a Jedi, right? Obviously this this time period
where there's not a lot of Jedi around anyway.
But it's it's just, and it kind of reminds me of what's his
name, the character in Kenobi who is pretending to be a Jedi
with the. First, yeah, I I know who you're
talking. About I should know, but you
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know, while that character was intentionally kind of hiding the
ball and pretending to be a Jedi, John Underwood just plays
along with Wim, right? Wim sees him and he I'm trying
to just, you know, he, Wim makessome immediate assumptions about
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Jon Na Wood and he goes with it.Now, there's still a couple
interesting questions around howdoes Jon Na actually use the
force to get that key? Did he use the force right?
It certainly looks like he did. Looks that way.
So is he a Force user? Who is he?
He's not actually a Jedi. Yeah, exactly.
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I I don't know but. But isn't that a fun thing to?
Ask. But it's another fun thing about
the show that you have all thesequestions that so far have not
been answered, but they're they're giving you the bread
crumbs that you know, at some point they will be.
Yeah, no, and I and I like the mysteries they've they've
outlined so far, whether it's the Jedi or at Aten, which we'll
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dive into more in this episode as well.
But yeah, no, it's it's it's AIIthink he's a he's a interesting
character, right? He's a very interesting
character and I'm excited to learn more about him.
You know, he's not exactly a Jedi, but is Yeah.
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So I guess let's see the, the kids, right?
They, they escape, they try to escape Port Borgo.
They, they get out of the, the, the Brig first and then try to
make their way over to the Onyx Cinder.
And of course, there's some great jokes around how, you
know, the ship is so old and decrepit.
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He's like, oh, it's not, it couldn't be that bad, right?
Because I think the kids tell him, oh, it shouldn't even fly
in. It smells kind of funny.
He's like, ah, it doesn't matter.
And he looks at the ship. He's like, not, not that one,
right? Like, you're not that flying
that one, you know? But of course they, you know,
he, they're about ready to take off.
And the kids convince him we're not leaving without SM 33 and so
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they go back. He goes back and and tries to
rescue SM2. Interesting things one some some
references we actually neglectedto mention last week.
First, I completely forgot we'veseen Port Borgo before.
It is a very deep cut reference to the a pirate port in the
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Young Jedi Knights books. The specifically Shadow Academy,
which is really cool. I love those books by Kevin J
Anderson and everything else. Steven, I believe you.
You were you read that. You love those.
Those as well, I think. Yeah.
Quite a bit, yeah. I mean, I was a long time ago.
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Exactly, exactly long time ago, but it's that's cool to see.
Also, we should have mentioned this, but SM 33 his name is
actually a reference to Smee from Peter Pan, so that that's
really cool as well. I that's.
Really funny, I would not have caught that at all.
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Yeah, exactly. I'm like looking back, I'm like,
oh, of course, right. SM 33 SME.
It's great. Yeah, so.
Clever, yeah. OK, so the kids, they, you know,
they're, they decided to go backfor SME or SM33.
And John, John, he, he goes on his own and that's where he runs
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into his old friend Ben Jar Pranek.
And you know, he's kind of dragging SM33 through this
really cool shop with all sorts of droids.
And of course, on the way, that's when he runs into Captain
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Brutus, his old second command. And we get a nice action
sequence as they try to escape Port Borgo.
I think it's all fairly straightforward this, this
section, but I thought it was really well done.
You know, it's, it was certainlyan enjoyable escape.
Yeah, they did. I, I think the thing I was most
impressed with is they made Borgo really feel like the kind
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of asteroid hideout that it is. Like it's, it's very open and
roomy and then very cramped whenyou've got kind of like the
mining corridors or whatever it is.
You definitely feel the like the, the docking port nature,
you know, is like, you know, Jonas commandeering one of the
little shuttle ships to fly his way back to the ship and, you
know, everything's going to chaos.
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Like, visually, I just thought they did an awesome job making
it feel like a a unique place. And I think that makes the kind
of like, relatively straightforward nature of the
escape feel that much more exciting because it's like,
yeah, like, it's just, you know,John was trying to get back to
the ship, and then the ship's trying to escape.
But the setting, it really really elevates it.
Well, it's one thing I mentionedin the last episode.
I think I love the I love that look because it felt so Star
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Wars. It just felt like grime, dirty
the underworld. It felt like the lower levels of
course on, but with basically more volume to it.
It just worked very well and I appreciated that because it felt
like Star Wars again, But I alsolove the aspect of these kids
that are stuck in this, you know, pirate environment that
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are trying to survive. But it's like, I remember I'm
going to go back to the last episode where they're walking
around trying to find food and it's almost like the wonder of
them knowing that this is kind of cool, but let's try and stick
together. So that's that was a great feel
and watching this also, it's just it's great.
I just, I love the place. Yeah, yeah, no, I just like
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seeing the variety of the aliensand everything else.
It was just really port BOGO wasjust really well done start to
to finish. And the escape was when they
when they finally do get in the ship and start to take off was
really cool with like trying to,you know, detach the fuel line
and they can't. And it's it's keeping him until
he decides to jump into hyperspace from within the port
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and it just snaps the cable and just destroys this huge swath of
the the port it was. Didn't we see something like
that before? I'm trying to remember where we
we saw somebody actually in one of the Star Wars episodes where
they did it hyperspace jump likenot so much to break the fueling
port, but to jump like that at like isn't that.
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The hyperspace skipping from episode 9.
Yes, I think so. Yeah, there's been a number of
like. Things.
Similar types of things, yeah, but yeah, it was it was it was
cool. I just love the the they did a
really good job with the CG as well, just making it look like
that cable was just flying through the the the the port and
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just blowing things up. I did appreciate like that is
the type of cable that like, if you'll excuse my my gore for a
moment, like that is the type ofthing that like just wrecks
people when it hits them in reality, you know, I appreciate
they like because as soon as that cable snapped, I was like,
oh man, how are they going to dothis in like, you know, the PG
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ish nature that this show is kind of generally aiming for and
they I thought they did a good job with it, but like that thing
was deadly. That that's the point I'm trying
to say. Right, as it should be.
For sure. Yeah, exactly.
For sure. So that takes us into hyperspace
and Jonah. And we have like a little bit of
a breather now. All right, Jonah is, you know,
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he's he's with the kids and kindof trying to still pull up,
pretend like he's a Jedi withoutsaying too much.
We see him walking around the ship and pulling knives from
skeletons and and we don't actually see it used in this
episode, but you know, I'm sure it will be used later in the
season. And he gets a, he kind of
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confronts SM33 and SM seems to know what's going on, I think,
but he's not revealing anything to the to the kids.
And I thought the most fascinating part, though, was
how Jonah, yeah, he's with a group of kids, but he could not
care less about them. He's not like necessarily trying
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to harm them, but he's also not trying to help them.
Like he makes his own food and doesn't offer them any until the
very end. And he finishes eating like
there's some food if you guys want it, right?
They all scramble and get it. But he is he is not the most
nurturing, I guess of you know, it's.
Interesting. I was just thinking William,
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like I was actually impressed with how accommodating he was.
Like I realized that's kind of what SM is there for, like to
discourage anything. But like he did rescue SM 33 in
the 1st place. So he's clearly like to some
degree OK with it and. That's what I think he he does
have an element of goodness to him, even if he's more, he's
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kind of like a Han Solo character where he doesn't
really want to help necessarily,but he kind of will help when
push comes to shove. I don't know what.
Yeah, I'm like I said, it makes me really good to see where he
goes throughout the season because like I, I have to
imagine he's going to get more and more drawn in with the kids.
But where, where does that leavehim?
Like, what is what is his goal right now?
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And I I just, I don't know. Yeah.
Probably his main goal is to escape from being captive and
then also, I would think, tryingto figure out where these kids
are from actually it. Is true.
He's chasing the treasure of it all.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but it makes me I wonder if we're going to get some sort
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of scene later on where I mean, we don't even we should talk
about the AT Aten as well, but. Yeah, let's.
Is there a treasure there? And I, if there is, I suspect
we'll have to see Jonna decide. Does he help the kids?
Does he take the treasure? And he'll have to make that
choice. And that will be.
Character development, I think you are 100% correct to Steven
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and and that's the I think one of the big things about this and
we speculated a little bit last episode in the premiere with
some of the early. Hints, but we learn a bit more,
right, I guess before we actually get many reveals.
The kids themselves start to what if they've heard about this
treasure and they're like, no, we haven't seen any treasure
before. But even Neil starts to wonder,
(20:15):
is there treasure on that admin right.
We've seen there, we talked about this last, last week, how
the parents have all these strange administrative jobs, but
the kids don't even know what their parents are actually
doing, right? They're all an admin, or they're
or they're analysts. Is it to be fair, Tom, like it
at that age? Like did your kids know what you
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did it? Could they described it or were
you just like? I can see your kids knowing Tom,
but I think the average. Hang on, believe it or not, I
was sitting there thinking the exact same thing.
Kids that age really when it comes to the parents jobs aren't
really looking at, hey, what do you do?
Right. OK.
Because they're just being kids.It's as you get older, then you
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kind of you have like an idea. I mean, yeah, my, my dad, like
my, my dad used to work in the defense industry or my dad used
to do like a bunch of ordering for stuff.
I mean, that's all I knew. I never got down to the actual
brass tacks, right. These kids will probably be
like, yeah, you know, my, my momhappens to be a big within the
administration or my dad is an administrator, you know, because
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he's got this thing he has to beat like he's being audited like
crazy. I mean, that that's all you
really know. No, isn't that true?
I mean, the his dad was just like, you know, I I've got this,
I've got to do. I'm going to be, I'm going to be
busy all week because I've got all and I had to come down here
for school because I had to sit here and bail you out.
But I was in the middle of this thing.
So that's all the kids know. The kids don't know the actual
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job. Right, exactly.
And and as it makes it's natural, I think they wouldn't
fully know, but it is fascinating.
They start to wonder, OK, well, we actually don't.
We don't really know what our parents do.
And so maybe there is something else happening with at at and
like, is there something we don't know about?
It's it's very possible. And the and the other thing you
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have to look at. So they were in an area that was
basically restricted where they found this ship.
So up until that point, there isno reason for them to try and
figure out why was that area of quote UN quote restricted.
What other kind of hidden, let'ssay gem is in that area other
than a ship and why is it restricted?
Great question. Great question.
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There's I think the mystery of Ad Aton is one of my favorite
mysteries in the show. There's the mystery of John and
the wood and the mystery of Ad Aton.
And the Ad Aton 1 is very, very intriguing to me.
That's the biggest one. That is the biggest one of the
whole show. Exactly.
Yeah. And we go.
So we go to, sorry, this unnamedobservatory Moon to meet John on
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the woods friend known as Kim. We alluded to her earlier,
played by Aaliyah Shakat. And she's like this kind of a
cool owl character. I wasn't sure what to make of
her at first, but I think I think she's kind of a cool
character. Yeah.
I, you know and I. Totally agree I.
(23:10):
Just love the visuals of the moon with the giant planet in
the sky and the otherworldly music.
It's it's it's the whole place was was really well done.
Sorry Steven, you have some thoughts I.
Was going to say like I thought Kim was a great example of like
if this were a different style of show I think I would have
liked her to be a little bit less owl like a little more
(23:31):
alien for I mean again like for a show where most of the main
stars are all children like I think it is perfect.
Yes, I totally agree with you. Yeah, I totally do.
But you can. It works.
Go ahead As I'm thinking about more, it's like the if you if we
think about the show is taking place from the kids perspective,
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they would absolutely be like, Oh yeah.
And then we met an owl like liketechnically not an owl.
They were. Let me describe the ways that
this is not an owl, but. Right for the purpose.
It's one of those things. It's an owl.
Yeah, and it's one of those things in which you could see a
kid, he's telling a tall tale that would be a character in
that quote UN quote tale is. Oh, yeah, you meant an owl.
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Sure. I mean, sure, a talking owl, you
know, So that that totally worksin this case.
And honestly, when I saw that, it took me like a couple
minutes, yeah, not in less than a couple minutes to just have
your brain click saying, OK, this does work.
I had that same initial reactionfor like almost too much of an
owl, but then it it worked it ittotally worked and I think your
(24:35):
your both of your points are exactly why it works.
And I think it worked. It worked well because of the
environment the owl was in, because she's a scholar.
She's she's an astronomer. She looks at star maps and all
this. That's how to me, when when she
mentioned all that and you knew what her job was, that's where
it completely clicked for me. That's something that makes
(24:57):
sense. Even though a kid could make it
a quote UN quote tall tale, it still makes sense that a
creature like that would be in that type of a position.
Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
And you know, of course, her, her whole place, this
observatory out and on a, on a moon is really cool.
And you know, she's guarded by these gatekeeper droids.
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It's it's really neat, right. And there also has a little bit
of I, I felt a little bit of like the Lando Han relationship,
right. Oh, we go way back.
We don't really trust each other, you know, from, from
Empire. Great description.
And again, a lot of we get a 1/3name for John Onda Wood.
(25:41):
This time his name she's he's referred to as Crimson Jack.
So we get. I don't know if any of these
names are really his, if I'm being.
Honest Man rebranded a few times, you know.
It sounds like it. Yeah, Captain Salvo, Crimson,
Jack John Onda Wood. Yeah, lots of who Who knows who
(26:02):
he really is and what his name is at this point.
But yeah, we get some expositionin the scene and we learn that
at Aton was a planet purposefully hidden from the
rest of the Galaxy. There's no map.
And in fact, it's one of the jewels of the Old Republic, 9
planets of wonder that were kepthidden for their protection.
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And I guess they were all destroyed long ago except for at
Aton. And so that brings us so many
questions. And one like, OK, what?
What are they hiding? Because it's it's one of the
jewels of the Old Republic. So it has to be something, you
know, lots of lots of wonder on this planet.
So it sounds like more than justtreasure, necessarily like
something, it's going to be something wonderful on the
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planet. And then why were the other 8
destroyed? Right?
I have. And who destroyed them?
And who destroyed them? Right.
That's the question who destroyed them?
Yeah, but I think. Was it that they were destroyed
or just that they've like been destroyed over time if I lost my
time? Could be if I if if I understood
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correctly, and again this is trying to remember because we
saw this later, earlier I think she just flat out said they were
destroyed. Not so much over quote UN quote
time, but. Interesting.
OK, so that doesn't apply. A certain amount of malice,
shall we say? Yeah, I mean, it's not, it's not
possible natural. But yeah.
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Yeah, but but it seemed like theway that she brought it up, if
it was a natural kind of quote UN quote destroyed, it would
have taken a lot of a long time.But from the sound of it, they
were all destroyed, meaning almost I would say not one fell
swoop, but they were like the planets probably doesn't exist
anymore. That's why and that probably is
the biggest question. Why is there a barrier around at
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at right or here's the other thing.
I just. Thought or is it?
We're they destroyed? Because if there's a barrier
around at AT and to keep it hidden, did the other ones
really get destroyed or they just quote UN quote lost lost to
time because they also have a barrier as well?
Right. And is it, is it an actual
barrier that was constructed or it, you know, it's kind of
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implied too, that maybe the barriers actually gases from a
nebula around a planet that thatkeep the planet hidden.
That was how I interpreted it, like there are multiple of these
kind of jewels and this one survived because of this natural
barrier that existed. Like I said too.
But if I remember correct, when they were going through the
barrier, did you not see little red dots almost like it was,
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let's say a force field? But if it was a force field, I
doubt the ship would have been able to go through it, right?
So let's theoretically state if I was correct by seeing those
little red dots. Maybe those little red dots were
able to keep whatever kind of gashes thing hiding it.
Interesting. Forests.
Oh, I like that theory. Maybe it's more of a less of
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like a laser barrier type of thing, or like we see in Rogue
One and more of a yeah, these things are keeping the gases
around the planet. Interesting.
Yeah, and that that's why it's hidden.
Yeah. And this just makes me more
excited to find out because all of these to be interpreted as
correct, you know? It's such a cool concept though.
I just love the the concept of aplanet from the Old Republic or
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potentially the Higher Republic.I mean, they do say Jewels of
the Old Republic, but that doesn't necessarily rule out
that they're from, you know, great work.
From the public, I'm sorry, I'm saying.
Old Republic and but I love the planet, the concept of this
planet that's been lost to time,right?
This is this legendary planet that may or may not have this
treasure, other wonders, but hasbeen intentionally or
unintentionally hidden from the world of the Galaxy.
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And these kids are from it. And now they don't know how to
get back to their own own home planet because they've left and
have no way to retrace their stuff.
I just think it's such a cool concept.
Yeah. And, and here's another little
thing I'm going to throw out there.
Literally, is it really hidden? Wouldn't it be surprising if
someone somewhere, somehow within the quote UN quote New
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Republic still knows it it? Exists I'm I don't think it has
to be the case right, because eventually they will they got to
find their way home. So it has to be some clue
somewhere in the Galaxy. Well.
Well, we we do get a clue in this episode, right?
Yes, we do. Yeah, I mean they.
No, go ahead, go ahead. No, you're exactly right.
Because like, they, you know, they're able to use and I, I, I
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like how they use these, you know, they use like they asked
the, you know, Kim asked the kids what kind of what do you
see in the sky? They of course didn't know
because they can't see the stars, but.
What do you see in the sky? No.
Nothing. Just what?
What always, always see. The sky?
No, you just don't want to answer my question.
Right, exactly. But you know, they were able to
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figure out, OK, it was only one in, you know, there's only
10,000 worlds that have a barrier and then oh, OK, there's
only, you know, so many planets that have used palmarish
numerals, right? And that kind of helps them
theoretically find their home planet.
They, they kind of have to leavevery quickly before we'll get
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into that in a moment before they can confirm that they're in
the right place. But what do you guys think?
Do you do you think in theory they have the coordinates for
the planet now in theory? There's, there's one.
There's one thing you left out though, because I do remember.
Yeah, the God, I'm terrible at names.
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The the main girl who is the come up with the pirate captain,
Her mother gave her a Fern. Yeah, I think it was a patch or
some kind of symbol. Pardon.
Yep. The Fern.
Yeah, her the Fern. Not the pirate, but the Yeah,
she's more of a. The smaller type character,
yeah, so right. So her her mom gave her some
kind of coin metal patch or whatever.
Remember in in that. Right, the head of the class
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symbol. The head of the class and Kim
saw that, took it and started dissecting the symbol in it.
Right. And if I remember correct,
right, and if I remember correct, I think she said it was
almost quote UN quote directionsor a map that was within that
symbol cuz you saw it completelybeing broken down.
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And then that's basically when they bailed.
Yeah. So you never got to see the
finish of what happened. But do you think, do you think
they'll return home next week oris it going to take longer?
I think it's going to be. Longer I I think it's going to
be longer. A reverse treasure map?
I mean, I guess it's a reverse. I think it is a treasure map,
but they started there left and now they have to follow the
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treasure map back to at at. And right.
Yeah, totally agree. And of course, they're the ones
who can solve it because they happen to have these key clues
because, you know, they they were from there.
Right. Yeah, yeah.
But I would, I would really hopethat they don't return next week
or the next episode because thenit's going to be like, OK, that
was pretty cheap. You had him back so quick.
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I think I, I would have to say they have to be back within two
episodes, maybe 2 1/2 because you still have let's quote UN
quote say a chase going on with a pirate.
Den knows technically this placeexists.
You have Janu, right? He he could have let something
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slip. So there's a race to try and
find this planet. So they've got to get back to
basically warn the planet that there's pirates coming.
And now the biggest question is.If I put on my writer's hat,
like the story that needs that be told is a the parents need to
decide to leave at Aton. Whether they do or not is kind
of orthogonal. But like, you know, they, they
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will make a decision to leave the planet to go find their
kids. The kids obviously need to like
find their way back and then they need to leave the pirates
back so that we can get the finale of protecting Adaton from
the pirates. Right, but then that, well, they
also define the treasure. Extra question.
Right and then. But if there is treasure, find
the treasure on the planet, whatever it might be.
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And that could take some, some amount of time too.
I, I think so, yeah. I don't know.
Here's here's the other thing you got to ask yourself.
OK, so you have a planet Adaton,that everybody was basically
staying behind this barrier, andit appears there are no
starships that ever have left that field, and this was the
only one that's done it throughout these centuries.
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Do they have the ability to actually get outside that field?
And if they do, do you think theparents would actually go find
them? Because if the parents still
have in, if the parents don't have any idea what's out there,
where'd be the first place they would look?
Yeah, I because there's there's no clues to go on to.
I have to imagine someone someone would have been given
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access to a ship that's hidden somewhere on the planet for
emergency purposes, right, But probably like the whoever's
leading the planet. I, I think there's an
interesting, you know, you mentioned the family, Steven,
and I think that's, there's something interesting there too.
Where, yeah, at the beginning ofthe episode, we see all the
parents gathered together, right?
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Wendell, Under Secretary Farah, Neil's mother, Numa, KB's
family, I think it was Marie andGary and and others.
And one, they're all shocked that the ship left the barrier
illegally. 2, where we hear the supervisor, whoever that that
is, a mysterious supervisor has deemed contact outside of the
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barrier risky and in fact has forbidden leaving.
And so there's an interesting question of why are they
forbidden to leave, Right. And, and do you said, Tom, do
they even have the ability to leave or is it only something
the supervisor has? Yeah.
I, I, I wonder what is going on there.
I think there's also something, I don't know if we talked about
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this, I don't think we talked about this last week.
But for the most part, we, you know, I think Under Secretary
Farah Fern's mother is probably the most high-ranking individual
we've seen so far, the adult so far on the show as far as the
planetary government goes. But all the other droids are,
are all the other beings we see on this planet are security
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droids or what I think what theycall safety droids.
And this reference to a supervisor, but do they even
exist? Like who is the supervisor?
Is it kind of like a? Is it a Droid who's running
everything or kind of a? That makes me wonder.
Wizard of Oz style, right behindthe curtain control.
Yeah. Yeah, I don't, I don't know,
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Like I think there's a lot more to learn about this planet too.
And do the parents even know wholike how things are being run?
I I don't know. Fascinating question.
It could be one of those things in which depending on your level
of quote, UN quote government, the more you know, the lower you
are, the less you know. But as you start moving up, then
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you start seeing how if there isa supervisor who's the 2nd in
command, is there an actual Starship on the planet to leave
in case there's an emergency? And that's the other question.
Is anybody actually monitoring what's happening in the quote UN
quote Galaxy at this point? I don't think so, right, Because
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even and Kim even makes a reference later.
Oh, missed the ward, did you? Right.
Like they clearly don't know anything that's happening in the
outside world. But but then again, it gets back
to it gets back to that questionof could the supervisor know
because he's quote, UN quote or she or robot or whatever is
because they're the supervisor. They know what's happening in
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the outside world, but they're keeping everybody else on the
planet and in the dark because that way it's keeping the planet
because of the programming or however it's been structured,
keeping that jewel of the Republic hidden.
Yeah, I don't know, I think comes back to what is what makes
AD Adam special. Yes.
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And I'm, I hope it's not this, but I am.
I have a feeling it might be a like, perfect society kind of
thing. Everyone has a job.
Everyone is employed. You know, droids keep everyone
safe. And that's also the reason for
all the, like, heavy countermeasures and safe, like,
you know, no one's allowed to leave or come or go because
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they're trying to keep it. Yeah.
It's. Interesting.
Overly perfect society. I could see that.
And maybe, oh, and if that's thecase, maybe that's why the other
planets were destroyed is because let's say the, the, the
general public rebelled. Interest.
Yeah. I wonder if it was like.
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It's problematic because like the other plants were destroyed
because they're, they were, I don't know, people came to them
like well. Or or what if?
What if it's more of like a quest to make a?
There was a? Utopian.
Planet exactly like during the High Republic they were like
let's create a utopian society free of all of the you know
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nastiness of the rest of the Galaxy.
And so we're going to create 9 planets that are each
sequestered and supposed to be jewels like jewels as in like
perfect, perfect planets where everyone's happy and, and kind
of leave them as on their own without any contact.
So they can't be infected by anything or touched by anything.
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But at some point these different, the planets broke
down where the people got upset that it was, you know, it looks
nice on the surface, but underneath it's really dark.
And there's, you know, people don't have much choice and, and,
and it just kind of the society falls apart.
Right. Yeah, I guess I could see it.
I'm like maybe we've gotten the pieces of that like what it cuz
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Aden also has this kind of like,I don't wanna call it sinister
quite 'cause I don't think it's quite that far from the bits
we've seen yet. But it does feel like there is
more going on under the covers than what we've seen.
Yeah. Right.
No. Definitely.
Yeah. I can definitely see that become
part of the story of like, you know, they bring people that
aton and yes, that is kind of bad because the planet is no
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longer sheltered, but also maybeit's good because the planet is
stagnant or, you know, whatever it might be.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But in the process, they're
perfect. The utopian society falls apart.
And that is why the the jewel was destroyed, not because it
was blown up or, you know, decayed or something, but just
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their utopian society fell apart.
Right. I don't know.
Interesting. Interesting.
Yeah. And it, it might be nothing like
that. It might just be an actual
treasure. Who knows?
Yeah. I don't know this constantly
utopian society Might be a little might be a little out
there for like a kid or not a kids.
Show but children, you don't understand the real treasure is
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a society that values you and. OK.
But but technically if you look at it from the point of view of
the pirates, there is treasure because they did have older
public credits. Yeah, that's and it was in
pristine condition, right? So that there is quote UN quote
treasure on that planet, utopianor not.
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Who knows? I, we, it could be we're off
base and it could be just a giant treasure vault too.
So, you know, yeah. It could be like Fort Knox
exactly, but it's Old Republic. Alright, I am now just picturing
a scene where like the kids get back, they think there's a trash
in there. Like the treasure is here.
Sorry. It's just like we now know the
treasure is the society that we have.
It's like, no, no, guys, we we got like 30 billion Republic
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credits in it of all back there.Like, yeah, you know, they just
open the door. They've got the Scrooge Mcduck,
you know, money pool going and. Then you see, you see the
supervisor diving in there like.Yeah, exactly, you guys.
Needed me, I was just. Going for my afternoon swim.
I didn't know you should have knocked on the door.
And then he's got that. He's got that one Old Republic
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credit that's framed because that's the first one that he
earned. I guess, I guess we'll see.
I I'm also curious to know more about KB.
We haven't talked about her quite as much, but in this, you
know, we know she's a, a Cyborg like Lobot and she has these
augs or augmentations, but I, I kind of wonder we, we never
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learned about how Lobot became the way he is, right?
I, I actually forget there may be something in legends.
I'm very rusty. I'm sure there is something in
Legends. I don't think it counts.
There's got to be something. But like for KB and specifically
right, it looks like her parentsare not augmented.
So was she was she augmented fora medical reason?
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Was she like that? Or is she can decide that I
wanted to be augmented for some unknown benefits?
Like they mentioned her losing the signal to her life monitor,
so maybe it's health related. But it also could just be her
like tracker, you know? The the equivalent of the Apple
Air tag exactly. Well, here, here's a crazy
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thing. Maybe, maybe she is a Cyborg.
Well. I think she is, but the question
is like, why? Well.
No, no, no, I mean an actual actual created Cyborg.
Oh, I see. Yeah.
Yes. I don't know, maybe.
Yeah, yeah. Many questions about how she
became the way she is. Hopefully we'll we'll find out.
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We went on a long tangent though, because back to the
observatory moon. Yeah, I.
Hate to say this, but wasn't that tangent fun?
It was great. It was great.
Yeah, it was great. So Kim, she ends up kind of
turning them in now. I actually think, I think she
was trying to be good. I think she's actually a good
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character here because when you watch it, Oh yeah, she's turning
them in like the New Republic iscoming in to capture them or
something. But I actually think she's
looking at this like it's a bunch of kids who are with this
somewhat unreputable guy and they need help.
I'm going to call a new Republican.
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I want to add a little bit William.
I don't think it's sufficient tosay somewhat unreputable.
Like you don't become you don't get the name Crimson Jack by be
like, oh, Crimson Jack. That's because he spilled paint
on himself once. Like you know what?
Four children have just arrived in the presence of a known and
like very disreputable likely. Very dangerous, right Pirate?
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Dangerous pirate who is raided multiple ships like I mean.
He leads the attack, that very brutal attack.
Allegedly. At the beginning of the series,
right? So he was the leader, he led
that attack, right? Well, but also, is it a
possibility she did it because she wanted to make sure that
Aden stayed hidden and that way she got the New Republic
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involved. They were, they could be able
and would be able and hopefully able to keep the pirates at Bay
and not destroy this utopian society.
Because maybe, like I said, there is that one person that
somehow she knows about, that knows the actual history of AT
and it should be kept that way. Yeah, it's possible, but it's
such an interesting, you know, we always think of the New
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Republic as the good guys, right?
And in the show, they're kind oflike the X Wing is kind of
framed as the bad guys. They have to escape before he
gets the, you know, gets them. But he's still technically the
good guys right here. I think they're trying to help
these kids. And but the kids don't know
that. The kids don't know that
exactly. Yeah, the kids don't.
But it's a, it's a, it's a really interesting way to frame.
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And I mean, we've seen that in The Mandalorian where the X
wings are, you know, like Dinjaran trying to run away from
the X wings. But that makes sense because
he's a bounty hunter and they try to, you know, he's he's he's
breaking the law. But yeah, it's fascinating to
see it in in this in this context.
And and Kim does warn the kids, right?
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Don't trust Crimson Jack. He's just after you and your
treasure. But you know, they don't want to
leave and they don't, they don'treally believe her.
They they still want to get out of there.
But she does offer to help them anytime they need help.
So I suspect they'll come back to her, right?
Hopefully they still have the directions back to her and they
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have the ability to do it. Yeah, she she's certainly does
not know where the planet is anymore because they destroyed
it the the computer. Although I feel like with those
I don't know, she might be able to start narrowing it down just
from the knowledge she has aboutthe the planet.
Who knows? But we had a really cool escape
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where, I mean, thanks first before they even bored the
planet. The the the Onyx sender, the
kids confront John not and say, Hey, you're working for us,
right? We, if you're, if we're going to
be together, you're working for us and you have to tell us the
truth. And that's when he does admit
that. Well, I didn't say I was a Jedi.
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I just implied it and said things that Jedi might say, but
they agree to work together. And I think this.
We'll see what Jonna's game is, but at least the kids know his
well. The first of his secrets, yeah.
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So Steven, take us through this this escape because I know you
love your your X wings. Yeah.
I mean this this escape is what makes me, I think most question.
I'm just going to start saying Silvo.
Is it OK to say Silvo now instead of Jonna?
It's much easier to say, that's for sure.
Or Crimson Jack pick. Your poison, right?
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You know what I like Crimson Jack.
I think Crimson Jack's better. Or CJ if you prefer, you know.
CJ in any. Case in the moment where I like
was most glued to the television, not just because it
was, you know, an exciting escape, because I was really
curious where this was going to go.
They're they're trying to escapefrom the X wings and Silvo has
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the kids get on the turbolasers or the whatever the turrets for
the ship and starts firing away at the X wings.
And I was just sitting there watching like, oh man, I just
feel like we're about to watch children commit murder.
Like they are going to be scarred for life.
They don't even know it. Thankfully, it did not happen.
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The kids are understandably really bad at aiming.
But, and I, I think the X Wings are pulling their punches too,
because I know there's at least a mention of that like, oh,
their kids on board or somethinglike that.
Yeah, he doesn't want to hurt them, but but still.
Right. It cracked me up watching them
firing away like this is not. It's not good.
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Yeah, no, I it was, it's kind ofa cool concept there.
They had to get to the other side of the planet and as soon
as they do, they could jump intohyperspace.
Once they're on the the, the bright side of the moon and and
then they could jump into hyperspace and, and escape.
And you got KB plugging in the coordinates and Neil is tasked
with flying the ship of all people.
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Found your breakout character. Yeah, Neil is.
Fantastic. I love.
Neil, he is. He is great.
And yeah, they make it to the sunrise and jump into
hyperspace. And that's pretty much where the
episode leaves us. I mean, Kim talks to the the X
Wing Commander Kent and says, you know, if you if I told you
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where they were going, you wouldn't believe me.
And that's pretty much it. Yeah, good final line, I
thought. Yep.
Yeah. And, and and then we're, you
know, that leaves us until next week to find out where they did.
Did they go to Adaton or did they just jump somewhere random
or are they going to have to have some stopover before they
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can make it to Adaton? I suspect so.
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.
We'll see, we will see, but I sofar I am, I am definitely on
board with this, this show. It's a lot of fun.
They've done a phenomenal job with it.
Yeah, I mean even like and it and I think the fact that it
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works on so many layers is impressive all its own.
ABS absolutely it it is. It's a fun show to watch
because, like you said, Steven, there are so many layers, but it
seems like it's nothing that's going to bore you and you're
just waiting to find out the solution and how it's going to
play out at the end. I I totally love it.
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We really do. Actually, yeah.
Well, if we were going to give this episode a rating, what
would you get it? I mean, that sounds like a great
question for you to answer, William.
Yeah, why don't you do it? You go first.
OK, OK, you know I this is a really fun one.
I liked seeing the observatory moon and the escape from Port
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Borgo was, you know, straightforward for the most
part, but enjoyable. I also like they didn't keep us
hanging on John Underwood and his and we still wonder this
open question about who he is and what his goals are.
But at least we know he's not a Jedi.
And they they resolved that veryquickly, which I appreciated.
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And so, yeah, I think, you know,man, I, I probably would give
this episode 8 out of 10. Just another really solid, fun
episode with, you know, the kidsand Jonna in the woods are
really our first time getting toto meet Jonna.
And I'm excited to see where they go from here.
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And I just want to learn more about this this planet, what is
what is Adatin rich, really? And this, the show's mysteries
have me hooked. So yeah, I'll give it 8 and 8
womp rats out of 10 and my 8 womp rats, they actually they
didn't show this was a deleted scene.
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But the Adatin also is home to quite a womp rat population.
And so that's also what Kim usedto help track down the the
location of Adatin because you know, large population of womp
rats with a barrier nebula out that narrows it down pretty.
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Quick makes sense to me. Sounds good, Steven, you go
next. Yeah, I mean, I really, I think
you hit a lot of the highlights,William, but I think I was most
impressed with this episode and that it was just thoroughly
solid throughout, despite being,I'd say, pretty heavy on
exposition and very point to point.
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We get the first escape, you know, couple of scenes on the
ship and then more exposition with Kim and then A a second
escape like very, you know, A, then B, then C, then D and then
we're out. But incredibly solid throughout.
And I'm like, I was, we were just saying like I'm most
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impressed by the the way they layer the show.
We have a very straightforward kind of like a plot with the
kids where it's just like the kids are trying to get home.
But there is all these differentkind of like undercurrents of
mystery with Silva and the planet and all these different
pieces that make for a really engaging show.
So I'm also going to give an 8 out of 10.
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And I just, you know, like I wasreminded the other day, you
know, when you're making cartoons for kids and you want
stuff to die, but you don't wantto have it be people like you
have to, you know, you have to skirt the sensors a little bit.
So you like, ah, they killed a robot or whatever it might be.
So in order to make give a little more action to the show,
they were trying to add another sequence.
There were actually two more X wings and they were each being
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piloted by 4 womp rats and the kids just blasted them,
destroyed womp rats strewn across the the moon's surface.
They ultimately decided not to include it in the episode
because I thought it was a little bit distracting, but that
was their way of, you know, letting the kids, you know,
really do some work with those turrets before they decide to
cut it. Nice.
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Tom very nice. Can I just say Ditto.
I honestly believe you guys well, but you guys summed it up
very well. What what more is there for me
to add? I mean, I, I loved, I love many
aspects of the show. I really like how they're slowly
rolling out the mystery of Ad Atten, but not in a point to
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where it's going to bore you or it doesn't make any sense, but
it's keeping you engaged with the show.
I love the acting of this. I love how I love the whole feel
of it. And I just, I also have to give
the show an 8. So we're going to give it an 8
across the board and there's notmuch more for me to say.
I just I want to see where it goes and I think they've really
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set themselves up for a very interesting series and I would
love to see it go to Season 3. But Steven, it's got to go to
Season 2 first. I don't know why you think that.
I think we just should skip straight from season 3 one to
season 3. OK, let's check.
Well, and then we'll go back in a few years and do a Season 2
later. Yeah, we could try.
And that'll become the next mystery is what happened in
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Season 2. Good point, you know.
I'm just saying I think we got, I think we got a thing here.
We should pitch. It OK, all right, Well anyway, I
gave it Nate and I'm going to take my 8 womp rats.
See The thing is, somebody's gotto keep that barrier around at
at and basically glowing and working.
So for all these centuries or millennia or whatever, these 8
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womp rats have been on a little hamster wheel working their butt
off to keep that thing going and, and glowing and just making
sure that it's there to keep that planet protected.
And they're getting to the pointto where they're waiting for
another 8 womp brats after all these millennia to take over for
them. But gosh, they keep on ticking.
I. Love it, I love it and you know,
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I'm kind of surprised none of ussaid that the treasure is the
womp rats on Adaptant but. That's a good.
Point we we'll get there Williamwe'll get third hitting that
we'll we'll come back to it I'm.Sure you you may have you may
have played our hand a little. Too soon.
But somebody will say it at somepoint, yeah.
Love it. Well, this was really fun.
I as always, I love talking withyou guys and breaking down Star
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Wars with you both. We will be taking a brief break
for for Christmas. I know that the show will keep
on airing, so we will be back. I think we're targeting the
Sunday after Christmas, like theright before the end of the
month for our review of both Skeleton Crew Episode 4 and
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Skeleton Crew Episode 5. Then we'll be with you for the
rest of the season just from, for scheduling reasons, taking a
one week off. But yeah, we are.
It's been so much fun. I cannot wait to see what
happens next and whether they find at at.
It's so fun to have a Star Wars show that it's just so many
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interesting mysteries that we can all talk about and speculate
about. And I'm excited to continue
digging into the show with you guys more later this month and
in the new year, so. I'm going to throw this out
there. I hope they don't find that at
before we come back. Maybe they will, actually.
I wouldn't be opposed, right, aslong as there's an interesting
mystery on that Aton. I wouldn't be opposed, but it it
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would it would be fun to where they waited until we come back
and then find that aton. Exactly, exactly.
But for all of you, we will talkto you guys when we get back
from from the holiday break. I hope you'll enjoy your
Christmas and holidays and we will get back to you right
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before New Year's with our review of Skeleton Crew episodes
four and five. Thanks for listening.
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