January 13, 2025 • 56 mins
Join Tom, Stephen, and William as they review the penultimate episode of Skeleton Crew Season 1 — “We’re Gonna Be In So Much Trouble.“
Our heroes have never felt further from home.
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Welcome to the Iron Cannon podcast.
I'm one of your hosts Steven andI'm joined by my friends and Co
host Tom and William and. Steven, I have to ask, did you
watch the episode? Yeah, I watched the episode.
If not, we're gonna be in so much trouble.
No. Well, can we just, we just cut,
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cut that and I'll we can I feel like I just, you know, kind of
stepped on the intro a little bit and.
No, that was. Beautiful, like my Thunder had
been stolen, you know, and I'm about to go find that.
Sorry, sorry to cut you off. That was.
Great. So tell us, William, what are we
talking about today? Well, before we get into that,
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you know, we do have a a small piece of news it there's a
report this week that Lucasfilm,of course, Ahsoka is going to be
season 2 is going to be shootingsoon and they have found their
new Balin skull in Rory McCann because she might know him as
the Hound in Game of Thrones, who will be replacing the late
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Ray Stevenson, who passed away after Ahsoka season 1 filmed.
I'm sure it's going to be hard to replace Ray Stevens and he
was such a phenomenal, such a phenomenal job as Balin's skull.
I'm not sure how I feel about Rory McCann, if I'm being
honest. He seems a little different from
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Balin. How do you guys feel about about
this change? I.
I mean, my experience with him is primarily from Game of
Thrones. I, I could see it Game of
Thrones, he always had a little bit more of like an anger
aloofness, but I think I could see that aloofness if, you know,
being tweaked a little bit and working pretty well for Baylin.
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I I'm cautiously hopeful. OK.
I'm I'm glad to hear you're optimistic.
Yeah, I, I have no experience because I please don't get on
me. I've never watched Game of
Thrones. Sorry.
I was, I was kind of hoping it was going to be.
I believe the actor's name is Liv Shriver, who played
Sabertooth. I think for the X-Men series I
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and even I I actually watched the Ahsoka series again from
beginning to end and I thought Ray Stevens did an outstanding
job. So good.
I know and it's so hard to thinkabout anybody who could replace
him. But but the only person that
came to mind was the actor Liv. I believe it.
It's pronounced Liv Shriver. Yeah, yeah, I guess.
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I mean, I guess it's good to know they are going to continue
Balin Skull's storyline because at the very end of Ahsoka, we
had that tease of him and finding like the statues of the
Mortis gods and everything. So we'll, we'll see, you know,
as always, we'll reserve judgement until we till we see
it. And it might be a phenomenal
casting. You know, Lucasfilm tends to
know what they're doing in most cases.
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So we will we'll see, you know, if, if not if, if, if it's not a
good choice, the Ahsoka is goingto be in so much trouble.
But, you know, otherwise we're good.
Yeah, no, he's got some really, really big shoes to fill.
Yes, he does. He does.
And with that, Tom, I think it'stime to talk about Skeleton
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Crew. What are we reviewing tonight?
God, this is a really good episode.
It's going to be Skeleton Crew Season 1 Episode 7.
We're going to be in so much trouble.
This was directed by Lee Isaac Chung and written by Christopher
Ford and John Watts. In this episode, our heroes have
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never felt further from home. Do you feel like this is an
intentional, like the synopsis was intentionally designed to
throw you off and think that you're that we're not getting to
add at in this in this episode? I I would be surprised if only
because I just feel like you know who reads synopsis before
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the episode starts. No, that's a good point.
Besides you, William. Fair, fair.
Well, it would be funny if this was actually on the crawl or
like what Clone Wars did at the beginning where they would have
like, you know, the little the fortune cookies.
Yeah, the fortune cookie. If that was at the beginning of
this episode, a lot of people would have been like, but, but
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wait a minute, they made it home.
But it's it was such a good episode.
I mean, to sit here and to see the parents really working on
trying to get a message to the kids and how they did it.
Each one of them had a piece to bring together for this little
little bitty probe in the middleof the forest and get caught by
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the droids. Yeah, you know, the, the cold
open with the, the the parents trying to, you know, basically
do a relay race with the the probe to save their kids.
Although this scene felt a little bit cheesy to me, just
with them like handing it off from 1:00 to another and getting
shot and handing it off to the next parent and getting shot.
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I'm being honest, it's a little bit cheesy, but you know, it's,
it's. I thought it worked.
OK, it worked though it worked. I I agree with Steven, but it
also worked because you did haveNeil's mother almost say the
word. I've got a back that.
Yeah. That, but that's what made it
work. They wouldn't let her finish it,
but I didn't care if it was cheesy because I, I, I agree.
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I thought it worked. I thought it was something that
I, I thought it was something the parents would do to make
sure that the probe got built and sent off.
Yeah, I just appreciate that Neil's mom just like grabs it
and starts going right like there was, there was no.
Hesitation. Just like Nope, this is this is
how it's going to happen. Yeah, didn't get far, but it was
a good time it. Was a valiant effort though, I I
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have to say. Well, somebody had to start it.
Yep, Yep. And so of course they're all
captured and, you know, later they are when we, we see the
sequence where they're, they're kind of taken in question by
the, the droids and they, they don't seem that upset because
they let them go very easily. When, when we'll talk about this
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more when, you know, the, the, the emissary arise, but they,
they kind of just let the parents go and don't really seem
to, to care all that much. But.
Steven, go ahead. I I actually don't yes, I took
it more as it was superseded by the kids returning, which I
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guess we'll get to, but like. Well, something's weird on.
That I guess the meta point. Right.
It wasn't so much the kids returning, it was the New
Republic emissary that was returning.
That's true. I guess they're let go before
they know the kids are there, right?
Right, right. Right.
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So it's a little weird like, oh,you tried to, you know, contact
outside the barrier, but who cares?
Because I mean, I feel like they'll just be like, yeah,
throw them in the Brig or something.
But again, some minor quibbles. I I, I enjoyed the episode
overall, but it was like, why are they letting him go that
easily? I don't, I don't know, I guess
for a story, from the story standpoint, it's easier to
reunite them with the the kids, but we're getting ahead of
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ourselves because first the kidshave to get back to Adatten and
it's kind of in question the whole time.
You know, I think we go into theepisode assuming that, oh, of
course they're going to get they're going to get home.
And you know, we get like the little calm before the storm
literally with, you know, the kids playing slap ball.
We finally get to see it after Neil mentions it in the fourth
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episode and. Classic.
Who hasn't enjoyed a good game of slap ball, you know?
Yeah, right in the ship. You know, it's a nice sequence
seeing the kids being kids and, and even, you know, they kind of
make up and look at this nice moment where Wim and Fern talk
and, you know, he, he kind of reiterates that he wishes
there's a little more of an adventure than he thought they
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would be signing up for. And Fern and even Neil tell him,
no, I, I'm glad we went on this,even though we're, our lives
were in danger and we're far away from home.
We're, I'm kind of glad that we,we went on this and it's, it's
kind of a nice moment. And let's not forget Neil did
say he almost died a few times. Exactly.
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Which racked me up. Any little kid would say that.
Yep, I mean he kind of almost did die a few times, but.
Yeah, but semantics here. OK, I thought it was.
Funny, yes. So then the, you know, around
the same time the kids are almost at at and then the
pirates, they they beat them there.
They get there first and the planet is surrounded by a toxic
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maelstrom and it's, you know, pretty, it's pretty, it seems
pretty unlikely that ad Aten that is actually ad Aten and
they they try to are they almostmake you think that maybe maybe
it's not Steven again, as our space enthusiast, what do you
think of this, this toxic maelstrom around ad Aten and
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what the parents do about it? I mean, their plan is a little
bit questionable. Again, we'll just fly something
in and see what happens. But you know, it's, I guess
you're, you don't become a pirate by being particularly
smart. Maybe.
I don't know. Are you allowed to say that?
In any case, I'm gonna go with it.
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But yeah, like I honestly, the thing I'm most impressed by is
the size of the maelstrom 'causewe now we see a little bit
later, it goes all the way around the planet and there's
like space in between. So that is like a massive amount
of maelstrom or like whatever. It's gotta be man made, right?
I mean, I assume so it looks like it's related to like
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whatever Old Republic station base set up.
I mean, we talked previously about, you know, the great work
and I guess this would kind of fit in with that.
Like this certainly feels like agreat work.
Yeah, like a giant maelstrom that's able to disguise a planet
and it it there's a lot of spacebetween the inside of the
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maelstrom and and we're literal space between the inside of the
maelstrom and and the the planet.
I mean, it's it's effectively kind of like Dyson sphere esque
if you're familiar with that concept.
Yep, Yep. That's exactly what I was
thinking. Yeah.
I don't know those those they don't build it like they used
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to. Actually.
I guess it works. That works in multiple ways this
episode. But yeah, just visually such a
fantastic. Like honestly about this
episode, I felt like the visualswere up a whole another notch.
Like the Maelstrom looks fantastic.
The vaults look at yeah, we'll get there.
We'll get. We'll get to the Vault.
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Yeah, the the maelstrom was, is interesting because the I
appreciated how the pirates, Brutus in particular, keeps
doubting JOD every step of the way, right, because he at the
end of the last episode, he said, hey, if you're, if you're
wrong and this is not at at and you were going to space, you
throw you at the iron lock. And now they arrive and it looks
like there's no ad and he's about ready to kill Jod and Jod
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makes the case it. No, no, it's you know, check the
logs And sure enough, the logs reveal that the planet is hidden
inside an endless storm. And so, you know, they they go
and they send someone in and youjust you think, oh, either
they're going to make it throughthese guys, we're going to find
out that. And no, the Glurb, the pirate
who volunteers to fly through the maelstrom blows up and his
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ship completely explodes as he'sgoing to check it out.
And again, you know, the piratesstart to not believe JOD again.
And then he realized, no, no, no, no, I know how to go
through. It's the Onyx Cinder.
And like, it's this constant back and forth and back and
forth that I, I kind of appreciate it with JOD.
He's constantly grasping at straws to to save his life, but
he's not wrong, at least in his.Theories.
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There's so many moments in this episode where I was just like,
oh, dude, Law is such a fantastic actor.
And like, I realize that's not, that's not news.
But like, watching him get in this scene in particular,
increasingly desperate. He knows he's right, but he just
got to figure out how to prove it right.
Just phenomenal. Yeah.
But it it also proves a point that he makes to where Brutus
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has always been a second in command, never really been a
leader. I mean, he's.
Been a leader since he's. But he's not he's, he doesn't
have the leader qualities. He he was leading, but he wasn't
because. Yeah, because look, look how
easy it is for Jod to manipulatethe pirates in every single
turn. Even though he's sitting there,
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you know, he's you know, he's right.
They're just about ready to space him.
And he's like, wait, wait, wait,wait.
And then one pirate never hits the button to to space him.
He could have done that. And yes, it is true.
The quick thinking of Jod alwayscoming up with there is a reason
why. Oh, wait a minute, This is why.
And you're looking at these pirates going, wait a minute.
He's making sense compared to Brutus.
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At some point they're going to turn on Brutus anyway.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, the one thing I never
quite I didn't quite understand is how Jod realized that the
Onyx sender is the key. I mean, I guess you could kind
of assume that since the ship survived.
I don't. Know.
I'd actually go a step further. I'm not sure that he did know.
You know what? I agree.
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With that. But the eager to guess to save
lives. What's the guy's name?
I never remember it. Captain Renaud, He knew Renaud
made it through, so clearly it was possible, but he didn't know
what it was. And I think he was just going
step by step trying to figure out like it's clearly possible
this ship could do it. Maybe there's something on the
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ship, maybe there's a signal, like that's how I interpreted
it. He didn't.
He had no idea. He just knew it is possible.
There is a way. SM33 if you listen closely SM 33
made one comment all the piratesmissed and I swear to God I
heard this where he sat there and said the ship looks
different without its armor. Yeah, and it did.
It looked pretty cool. I like the ship quite a bit.
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And it it was an interesting reveal a little bit later in the
episode that the Onyx Cinder is not a pirate ship.
It's actually a Republic Emissary vessel for Adatnan.
That's why it can come and go asit pleases, because it has all
the right codes, clearance codes, for lack of a better
word. That might have been one of my
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favorite details from this entire episode, just bringing so
much of it full circle. It's, you know, the effect.
It's effectively a couriership. It is.
I don't know, I just, I loved that detail.
And it explains the armor that was built around it, explains
kind of the autopilot that, you know, occurred when they, you
know, approached. What is it?
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AD Akron? Yeah.
Right. Do you think it was the pirates
that built another thing around it or was that the.
I would assume so, yeah. To disguise it and make it maybe
not so clear that they had stolen it, yeah.
Good point, never thought of it that way.
I'm curious. We'll find out.
And it explains why the the armor can can detach.
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It explains so much by. My my pet theory at the moment
is the reason 'cause I'm curiouswhy the Onyx Cinder thus crashed
on at at in the first time, and I'm suspicious it is because
there was extra armor on it. You know, like this is a finely
tuned machine that was attempting to come in for a
landing. You've thrown a bunch of weight
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on to it. Well, I mean we also knew that
the pirates there was a mutiny and captain team stabbed him in
the back, so that also may have caused the crash.
But yeah, no, it's AI like the theory, Yeah, but it's cool.
It explains a lot, explains why the ship looks so, you know,
spotless and clean on the, you know, once it gets once it
detaches the the outside. And yeah, it's cool.
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Like I'd love to learn more about exactly how it came about,
but it's a really cool concept. I have a feeling the only way
we're going to know that is me is me.
Me appears to know everything about it now that his memory has
been reopened, right so. It's me.
He's got to be a pirate Droid, right?
He's not. I think there's a chance he's
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actually, well, I mean, I still,I still have a theory that's me
is SM 33 is, is actually snowball that you know, 'cause
it's like SM33 gets he gets decapitated in this episode.
We'll talk about that later. Yeah, we'll get to that in a.
Minute Poor guy gets destroyed again, loses his head and I
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think the real SM 33 is snowball.
I think that's going to be the reveal next week.
Maybe I'm wrong and I. Think, sorry snowball, you're
saying is the rat. The rat yeah and then it it's
going to like it's controlling SM 33 and it's talking through
the that I don't like armor no II.
Well, no. OK, I I OK, I'm going to say
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this. I don't think I hate the idea,
but it would explain why that little rat is always within the
Droid. And what?
Yeah. And it would explain.
You know. Yeah, and and it would, it
would, it would explain a lot. But if that were the case, why
would SM 33 betray the kids in Reynolds Vault in the first
place? I think because, you know, it's
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still, he's still a pirate of sorts.
But but then again, but then again, in this episode, he does
kind of redeem himself a little bit later, which we'll get to
though. Yeah, who?
Who knows? It's yeah, who knows?
It's the cinder. The cinder arrives and is
immediately caught in the tractor beam, because of course
it is. Right.
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And we finally. Got a good look at the shit
note. Oh, sorry, but oh.
God it's a gorgeous shit. Yeah.
Are you talking about which are?You the the cinder and how the
the scale. We were just talking last week
about how it's hard to know how big it is.
It's actually not that big I think, but I was.
Just saying I love the pirate ship as well.
It's design was phenomenal. I love the giant hanger.
I just another A+ design for theshow.
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Yeah. It is, it is.
And, you know, we even get to know like the funny moment where
Jod and Brutus are arguing over who the crew loves more.
And there's a legitimately funnymoments, you know, like that The
the when they they order the thekids to disembark and the kids
grab Brutus with the lift claw. He's just, you know, it's great.
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And then even funnier when. I was going to say it's great,
but it gets even better when Jude Law really does some great
acting here. Oh he just shoots Brutus like
comes out of nowhere. Yeah.
Well, I know. Well, it comes out of.
Yeah, because I know. But it's just oh, so good.
But then also to have him turn around and just go look, take
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the ship. You're just going to find
nothing but four basically sniveling little kids that
scared little kids inside. Go ahead and take my ship.
Yep. And Captain Silver returns.
He starts wearing his helmet again.
It's it's kind of a nice, it's really cool.
It's cool to see Jod kind of coming back into his pirate
captain glory, I guess, for lackof a better word.
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Which I think gets to which getsto Jude Law's acting because if
you watch him throughout all these episodes, look at the
range of his acting where he canbe like on the kids side and be
like this carefree, let's almostsay a space kind of pirate of
Jack Sparrow. Not as crazy, but still that
kind of aloofness and being that.
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And then all of a sudden just atthis point, you see him just
turn into like a really cold blooded pirate.
Yes, he really is. Steven.
Steven. Go ahead, I.
Was gonna say Tom and I were joking before the episode
started. I was just the scene where, you
know, Jude Law is threatening the kids to stay quiet.
I just, I, I hear they didn't even like plan that He was just
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super angry at the kids after being on set with them all day.
They were messing with him and he just went to town.
They just happened to be rollingcamera and it just, you know,
cinema was made. That was but if, if that if
that's true, you would not have known.
OK. Thank you.
It's not true. To be clear, Tom, not at all.
True. Thank you but but.
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Steven stirring up the rumor mill.
I know God, Steven don't. That was a rumor, folks.
He did get me. It was a bad joke, but anyway,
but just the acting in that was just I even sat there and was
like no way that he turned that brutal right and that mad.
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Yep. No, go ahead.
No, I, I, I was going to agree, you know, and he, he just really
goes, he just shows how how evilis even threatening the kids
parents, right, because they, they, they pick up that they,
they pick up the com buoy that was set into space and
coincidentally the kids just happened to be near the com buoy
and they could pick up the message.
And it's it's the message was not all that interesting for the
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most part, but mostly just the kid parents being like, we love
you come back home. And part of me is like, yeah,
the kids wanted to come home. Of course they were trying.
They think maybe they didn't want to come home.
I don't know. It does tell them to seek out an
emissary, which I think. Which is the one piece of
information, yeah. Yeah, it it further underscores
that inside the barrier, they have no idea what's happened
outside the Galaxy. Right.
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Oh, right, they have no idea what exactly.
Yep, although it's weird. It's like seek out the emissary
and then they don't have to seekout an emissary because they're
living on an emissary ship and oh look, isn't that convenient,
Gray? Well, I mean, yes, but I I don't
think it's the emissary. I think it's an emissary.
Like my take was there are multiple.
Yeah. Right.
Do the the job or the business of the Republic, however you
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want to frame it. I agree.
But here's the thing, now that we know that time is so past
since at Aton, cause basically for Aton time for them has
basically stood still. They have no idea what happened
outside of of their planet. OK yeah.
Is there an actual emissary within the Republic that would
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know? This at this point, no, I'm
assuming yeah, they're they are all gone.
Yeah, I'm a series were you know, some some job.
What we at this point like probably 100 plus years ago that
no longer exists. No one remembers exists.
You know, we don't. I guess we don't really know how
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old Renaud's ship is. If it's it must not be Old
Republic era. I mean it sounds like he's
Renaud is relatively recent, although that ship was pretty
buried. Yeah, it's a little bit tricky.
And he is like, there is like the legend of Captain Renaud.
So that probably points at, you know, 50 plus years just on its
own. There's enough time for his
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hideout to be turned into a spa.Yeah.
True, true. But yeah, I mean, like, we know
it's been what it's, this is I think like 8 years, right?
7-8 years post, yeah, you know, post BBABY and then Blanello, 20
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years of the Empire. So it's been, you know, at least
28 years, probably much more. Been a while, yeah.
Especially, and especially if this dates back to the Great
Works, because that puts it what, 100 years before Phantom
Menace is that era? Roughly a couple, 200 to 200.
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Yeah, yeah. Any case, the point is it's been
a long time. There aren't any emissaries
anymore. Yeah.
Sure, they're gone, but but I, Imean, going back to your point
about Jude Law's acting, right, Jod, he threatens the kids and
he after seeing their parents onthe kombui, he basically
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threatens to kill them all if they don't go along with him.
And, and the plan, you know, Fern realizes they need to
escape and of course Wim goes all Leroy Jenkins and
immediately attacks everyone andis restrained.
And then we get this. I mean, they, they call back to
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the first episode, right, with the whole claimsies, unclaimsies
thing and A and a somewhat funnymoment when, you know, Jod and
Wim both realize that there's nocaptain on extender.
And so Jod covers Wim's mouth and claims it, and Fern tries to
call unclaimsies and of course that's not a thing.
But then SN 33 decides no, it totally isn't a thing, I'll just
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go along with it and just. Just.
Smack it a little bit, Tom, but it just very reminiscent of
like, well, the pirate's code ismore guidelines.
Than actual rule, yeah, yes. Perfect.
So I did enjoy that moment when SN 33, just like, I don't care,
I'm just going to go with it, unclaims.
He's sure you know it. It underscores how silly it is
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and childish. And yet SN 33 is like, I don't
care. I, I actually think it goes a
long way too towards like in thein this, the hallmark of amazing
droids in Star Wars, like it, itgives SM 33 a certain amount of
agency that lets him be, you know, a character that you can
love versus, you know, a Droid that is just cool.
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Right. Yeah, and he is really cool.
He's also cool. Yeah, he has a cool Droid.
Like what he does all of the above now.
Yep. In in this.
Posting SO no Steven, go ahead, finish.
It right just as the final comment, because I I loved that
Jod had his helmet back on as well, because his helmet looks
super cool, but just that that donk sound as SM33 lays him out
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is also just fantastic. Oh yeah, like you can.
You can hear the reverbation, reverberation, reverberation and
makes dude laws comment later like I have a splitting
headache. All the better because like you,
you heard it. Right.
And for me, the scene when they're sitting there saying the
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unclaims and all the other stuff, that's where I said it
seems like when you're watching this, in some cases, it's a kid
who's telling the story or it it's it's from that kid point of
view because you know, who, who,who would come up with something
that that other than a kid of that age and also whim just on a
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whim attack when Fern's saying we need a plan.
So yeah, I mean, it's just I, I,I just love the show from how
it's just how it is and the writing and that whole scene, I
think for me just encompasses that a good writing and good
acting. And Steve and I agree with you.
Seeing seeing God get that basically jaw almost broken
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wasn't for that helmet. It probably would have been.
That was pretty funny because out of nowhere, boom, he gets
laid out. Yeah, yeah.
Well, and then, you know, the SN33, he clears the ship of all
the pirates and they, the kids take the Onyx Ender and they fly
through the Maelstrom. And it is a beautiful scene.
And we started talking earlier, but it's just gorgeous.
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Gorgeous and a couple pirates have lost their life trying to
get through there. Yeah, and I I do appreciate the
moment too, because they it the reveal that like the Onyx Cinder
is immune isn't immediately apparent.
So it's not it like is it a, is it a given path that SM 33
knows, or what is it? And that that moment of like,
Nope, it's because this ship isn't, is literally immune to
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all of this, which I think worksreally well.
Yeah. Yep, and they make it.
They make it through and see Adatin their home for the first
time and then Jods aboard. OK so I I have to ask how did he
get aboard? I am so very confused.
I mean, I you see he is knocked outside and then I'm assuming he
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goes back up through like the landing struts or you know,
whatever. But doesn't he basically see the
Onyx sender start to fly off like he by the time he wakes up
he's outside the ship? It's my recollection is that it
lifted off, but it had not. It was lifting off.
Yeah, it hadn't left the. Hangar.
Yeah, yeah, it, it was lifting off.
Some quick thinking on his part.Yeah, too bad he wasn't pushed
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further away, right. But you know, then, then where
the story, where, where would the story have gone?
Because he wouldn't have been able to make the maelstrom
anyway. But that's when he decapitates
SM 33 and it happened so quicklyI forgot he even had a
lightsaber on him and we saw him, you know, ignite it 2
episodes ago. We didn't, we didn't see it
ignite, but we heard the sound effect that the, you know, the
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episode faded to black. But I'd forgotten that he had it
in his possession. And so it was a very.
I don't know about you guys. I was very surprised to see SM
33 just fall to the ground decapitated.
Yeah. Well, made the kid jump too.
Yeah. And and that that's that I think
is what really added to the scene is having that lightsaber
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come out, having SM 33 decapitated and then just the
brilliant acting of Jude Law at this point.
I I was joking about it, but like he really does such a
phenomenal job. Like it.
You can tell in that moment, allof the lies are gone.
This is just who he is and like we've been talking, you know,
does does he get there and then he helps the kids defend, you
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know, Adatin from the pirates. I don't think so anymore.
Like I I think this is the reveal that like Nope Jod Jod is
the villain. Like I.
Think he has to at this point, right?
Yeah, I don't think there is a. There's no coming back.
Yeah, there's no, there's no redemption from this one, No.
Maybe they'll try, but I kind ofhope they don't in some ways,
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because especially if only one episode left, it seemed it would
feel a little cheap to try to redeem him now He.
Seems pretty they they've been warned not to trust him.
Many times, yeah. So many times.
By multiple. People there, yeah.
There's no way. No way I would say there's any
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kind of redemption for him. Yeah, and I'll be honest, like
once, once he takes out SM 33 and they they start to to head
toward Adam, I thought that was going to be the end of the
episode. And it's a it's a pretty short
episode. It's only about 30 minutes long,
but it it also feels much longerthan the actual runtime.
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And not, yeah, not in a boring way, just in a oh, wow, it's
still going. I thought it was going to end
here. I thought it was going to end
here. And for 30 minutes, right, It it
packs a lot in. I was kind of surprised by the
end of it. Well, it was only 30 minutes.
I kept going and going in a goodway, in all the best ways
because then they had to Adatin.And we see the ship come in on
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autopilot and land back at home.The landing pad rises out of the
ground in the middle of the central square and it's like
people walking through the park basically like falling as the
ground lifts from under them. And it's a very cool scene.
I I loved seeing the arrival on at Aten and kind of everything
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that happens after that. Well, I think the first part of
the episode was very enjoyable. I thought the rest of it was
even better once they finally get to Aten.
How what do you guys think it's?Just like.
It's the joy of having mystery revealed, like, like you said,
like the last 20 minutes or so basically of the episode.
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Right. And it's not even surprising,
like there's not, there's no twist necessarily.
I, I would say that in this episode, except for the fact
that like the, the sudden deathsof, of characters, but like
there's no, it's all stuff that we, we kind of suspected and
knew about Adaten. And yet, just seeing it unfold
is so enjoyable. Yeah.
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You know, like eventually they, they, they land on the landing
pad and JOD meets the security droids and I tell him the
protocol requires he goes directly to the mint.
And of course he couldn't be more happy about that.
And so the, the landing pad descends into the ground.
You get this giant tunnel as they, they go through the,
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through the, the center of the, the planet to offload all of the
for the, the, the credits basically from the mint.
And you know, he, he still really wants to contact the
pirates, but I don't know why hecares about contacting the
pirates since if they think he'sthe emissary, he can kind of
come back as often as he wants and just take the money.
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Like why do you need the piratesin space?
But the kids are. So it's, it's risky for him to
assume he'll be able to come back like he and he's a pirate.
He thinks in terms of control, you know?
He's clearly not a trust guy, you know?
Right. We do hear, Tom.
I was. Going to say and also he is
there to pillage and he is thereto sit there and show proof to
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his pirate, you know his his pirate crew that he was right.
I mean this is the way for him to gloat.
Get a hold of my ship. When he returns back with a ship
full of credits, that's also pretty.
Pretty good for me. That's true, but but but you're
also looking at a smaller ship compared to what he had in
orbit. That's fair and he wants to be
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unload everything. That's right.
Again, his, I mean, I guess the final shot.
Well, no, it's not the final. Almost before the final shot,
you know, Jod C gets to go into the vault and there's a shot of
just him picking up the credits and then just pouring over him
and him laughing maniacally. Like I'm actually not sure what
word to use here, but I think more than anything in this
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moment, like this is who John is.
He is a greedy SOB who there is not enough money in the Galaxy
for him to be happy. And there's you got a little bit
during his rant at the kids. You know this idea that like the
kids don't know how good they had at growing up safe.
Like I, he is a man who clearly grew up with nothing and has
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decided that his karma is him getting all the money in the
Galaxy. And it's and so he.
Yeah. Yeah.
And so that, like that is that is his goal.
That is the mission. Like dear Point William, even if
he could come and go, I don't think he would because he he
wants the mint. He wants to print more of it for
himself. This is what he is here for.
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That's fair. He wants to conquer the planet,
not just leave with the money every once in a while.
But yeah, there is quite a bit. I mean, we find out there are, I
mean we see the the giant factory basically that that
prints the, the at the mint, that prints the, the Republic
credits. We see the we find out that
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there's 1139 vaults, a nice, youknow, one off reference from
1138 and there's yeah, tons and tons and tons of vaults on this
planet, all that are massive andfilled with public credits.
One of my favorite comments I think I've seen yet was someone
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was trying to do the math on howmuch money we see in this
episode. And they were, they were, I
think trying to compare it to like how much money is he?
What is the most money that's ever been shown on screen?
And this might have been it 'cause there's something like
one Republic credit, I think they were mapping to like 20 to
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$80.00 or something, you know, U.S. dollar somewhere in there.
Multiply that by the vault, the amount we kind of see in that
one vault, multiply that by the number of vaults.
And it was some absurd amount ofmoney.
It was like 400 billion or something crazy.
That's a. Lot of the point is adding their
rolling in it. Yeah, adding is loaded.
They're they're doing quite wellfor themselves I guess.
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Where did the I? I assume like a Republic credit
is made out of precious metal, right?
Probably. Maybe it's from the planet, but.
Yeah, so just maybe like the Republic found, you know, the 8
or 9 planets that were like, oh,this these planets have, I don't
know, gold cores, whatever it is.
Right. And like we're.
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Just gonna set up our mills there the.
Other thing I want to know is what what has the Mint been
doing all this time right there?They haven't talked to the
Republic for 40-50 hundred years.
I don't know, probably not 100 right now.
I would assume they they sometime during the old, you
know, they're in the before, like during the time of the
prequels they were still in communication.
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I would have to imagine. Well, I want to pin the answer
to that for a second, Will you OK?
I'm sorry you're getting to a broader question.
The immediate question I think is they've just been printing
money, right? I'm assuming like based on the
shot and what we see, like they're just, they fill up a
vault and when it fills, they dig out a new one and they they
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keep going and. There's like, they're not like,
I mean, nobody's come to pick itup in like 50 years.
Maybe we should pause until there seems to be more demand.
They're just like, or there's noone managing like the inflation
rate at all. They're just like, yeah, we'll
just keep printing money. We're good.
But I I think that brings us to the supervisor.
Like we we hear the supervisor for the first time as it
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announces that an emissary has arrived.
But like I noticed you said, there's.
No. Well, yeah, sorry, I'm getting
ahead of myself. But like there's no inflection
to it. It's just an emissary has
arrived. Please prepare for, you know,
like docking or whatever it might be.
And, and I believe he says you can stop your work too.
I mean, basically everything stops on the planet when the
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emissary arrives. No, but my yes, sorry, that too.
But my also interesting if if Tom, if you were responsible
for, I don't know, a vault, let's say, and your your job has
been to keep take care of it, presumably, like given how long
the plan's been out of content, like communication.
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Your your your parents are like you inherited the vault from
someone else. This is the first time an
emissary's returned in hundreds of years.
Probably are. Are you really just like, excuse
me, workers, the vault like an emissary has arrived.
Please head to the vault. Like the fact that there's no I
didn't sense any emotion to whatare supervisors saying makes me
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think it's not actually a person.
I think you're right. I think you are right.
Interesting. I think it's a Droid.
Interesting. The the other interesting.
Although, although, I guess to play devil's advocate here, the
Camanoans like Obi Wan Kenobi shows up after a very long time
and the cabin Owens are like pretty deadpan about it too.
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You know, they're like, oh, excited for you to see.
We hoped you'd be pleased and see the stuff.
Side note, the security droids also say we hoped you'd be
pleased and sound a lot like thecabin Owens in Episode 2.
But yeah, it's maybe that's it. But I, I think you're right.
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I do really believe it is a a Droid of some sort.
I'm, I'm gonna finish, even finish your thought because I'm
gonna throw something out at you'cause I was talking about this
with somebody about last week, about this.
I've been reading the the Silo series, which is also an Apple
TV series and it maybe it's justputting me in that frame of
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mind, but you know, there's a similar idea.
I'll try to be non spoilery justin case, but like it it is a,
you know, creating these environments and then the goal
is that the this self-contained environment continues on
indefinitely. Like how long can a society live
in a bottle? And Adam is very much gives me
that feel. You know, everyone takes their
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test that decides where they getplaced.
There are droids to enforce everything that are, you know,
theoretically neutral and an unseen supervisor who encourages
where everybody should be. That just feels like they it is
running autonomously, both figuratively and if there's a
Droid, I think literally. And it just keeps going and
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going and printing more money forever.
Interesting. I I'm taking this point of view,
I somehow think it's Techronaut.I think because and and I'm I'm,
I'm going to stick with this because what better way to
basically pillage and plunder a planet and have everything to
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yourself if you're the one that's actually ruling it and
you have all of this and it's all yours.
Yeah, I I guess I could don't. Care.
If somehow he was like coming and going from the planet
without anyone else knowing, I could kind of seeing it.
See it? Yeah, but then again.
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If you're a pirate, like, great,you now own all the money.
But like, why? I guess maybe, maybe it's right.
Now I'm going to convince myselfof your theory, Tom.
If you wanted to strike a contrast to Jod.
Renaud finds a planet that is arguably idealistic.
I don't know. I don't think it actually is,
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but it presents itself that way.And instead of taking the money,
he's like, actually, I'd rather just live in paradise.
Jod finds a paradise and he's like, no, I'd rather take the
money. It's a little bit tricky because
like, we didn't talk about this earlier.
I appreciated early on in the episode like Wim's greatest fear
about going back to the planet is like, oh man, I've got to
take my test. Which?
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You know, maybe not a great signof your society if you're that's
what your children are most worried about.
Solitary intended. I do think it's, I mean, it's an
interesting thing in the theory that it's red.
I don't think it is though. I think another data point that
suggests these supervisors a Droid is a comment that Jod
makes to one of these security droids.
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I don't know if you guys caught it.
They say the supervisor wants totalk with him and he says oh
good, the supervisor better thandealing with a Droid.
Yeah. Which means the supervisor is
definitely a Droid in my in my book.
I think you're right. Because there's the irony there.
Oh, better to deal with the supervisor than the Droid.
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Guess what? The supervisor is a Droid.
So. Yeah.
Joke's on you. Joke's on you.
So I I don't know. Yeah, I'm, I mean, we only have
one episode left. Like, do you think, do you think
there are further secrets to Adatin or is this?
Yeah, I 'cause I feel like the the reveal that the supervisors
of Droid is not, it's interesting, but it's not that
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big a reveal in and of itself, though.
That's the one, unless it's somebigger.
Meaning I would not be surprisedthat there are more secrets to
be billed. I don't know that we're gonna
uncover any of them though. Like, I don't know if they're
planning Skeleton Crew season 2,if that they even wanted to
leave room for that. I hope they do because it's been
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fantastic. But I I could see that being as
a something they leave, particularly around, you know,
the great works of the planet. Like, yes, we've got the vault,
but what else have they been doing?
But I I still, I still have a hard time even thinking, how
could they do? Yes, there's a bunch of secrets
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within the planet that they could explore, but they've set
up such a great world of these kids within that ship.
I don't know if the show could survive being on just the planet
for season 2. Yeah, it's it's a tricky concept
to to execute on twice. Yeah.
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I I think you might have to do. Yeah, it's tricky.
How would you? Well, we should talk about this
next episode after the show's actually done.
But yeah, a sequel does feel tricky to execute on.
Yeah. So, I mean, I mean, at the very
end, right, The parents arrive, there's a nice reunion, and then
JOD ignites his lightsaber and threatens the parents, just as
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he had originally said he might do.
Sorry I just keep forgetting howthat he literally tells Whim and
Neil like I will chop your parents into beds.
Like man, brutal. I really appreciate that they
went that way. And sorry, we didn't even talk
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about this, but can we appreciate like, the trauma
inherent in a Star Wars show where a blue lightsaber is being
swung around near a bunch of children, Like.
Threatening them. That's not the first time we've
seen something like. That that's my point, Tom.
Yeah. I really wanted it like it.
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It would make zero sense. I really wanted to be Anakin
Sabre, Justin. The weird way, like, Nope, this
Sabre is now somehow always finds its way into people who
like to kill children. Like, it's a little bit dark.
I'm sorry but. It's great.
Dark, so dark. But yeah, I mean, I guess what?
So what do you think will happennext week?
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Right, Because the, the ending did feel a bit abrupt to me.
John returns and then it's unclear why he threatens the
parents because the kids have been following along unless he
wants to kill them all and take all the money for himself or
something. But it it seems like they're
setting him up as the ultimate bad guy for the the the final
episode. OK.
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But here, here's Steven. Go ahead.
Sorry. I was going to say I I do think
it's possible he's a he doesn't know what the kids have told
their parents because he wasn't exome for the last 10 minutes.
I would not be surprised if he'salso trying to show off and
pretend like he's, you know, an emissary, you know, Jedi, which
presumed obviously the the parents would be aware of.
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I'm curious if we see him flip back into charming jawed at the
beginning of the next episode inan attempt to preserve his cover
before it falls apart. I guess it's possible.
And then it's possible, but now I have to look.
The droids have got the droids on that planet are going to have
to do something when it comes tothe job.
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What? I don't know, But they have no
problem stunning people. OK.
And at some point, somebody other than the parents and
hopefully something or maybe SM 33 is going to miraculously come
back to, you know, to life. But somebody's going to have to
blow his cover, make them realize he's not an emissary.
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If it's the kids telling the droids, if it's SM 33 or if
let's say the supervisor, if it is a Droid, there's a certain
code word that the emissary needs to say.
Because they can't just all of asudden give stuff to an emissary
even though he's on a ship without some kind of protection
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that it's going to the right person.
I mean, you would, you would hope.
I don't know that they I, I think the possession of the ship
seems to be sufficient, at leastbased on what we're seeing here.
But then now you have. It's hard not to get there,
right? Yeah but but now you have to
explain how did the ship crash on the planet in the 1st place
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with the original armor on it. I mean that either the armor
causes issues, which is what kind of my theory, or as William
suggested, it's just a result ofthe mutiny, which I think both
are feasible. My theory is we will not get an
answer for that next week. I think the the the mutiny is
maybe their answer and that's itI think.
I think SM 33 is alive again andprobably Snowball.
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I think John's the bad guy but maybe becomes good.
The supervisor is a Droid, but Idon't really know how that
reveal that translates into muchexcept for oh that's why I've
been printing money since forever.
I hope we get answers about Jod and why he can use the Force and
what his back story is. Part of me thinks maybe we
won't, but I kind of hope we do.I have a feeling we won't, and
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that or not more than maybe likea reference to him fighting
droids or something along those lines.
I still don't seem like be an inquisitor or something I.
Agree, I think it would be cool but.
And I think. The the other thing I saw is
maybe we've like they show established that at Akron and at
Aton are have similar layouts and there's a gun on top of the
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school at at. Akron, OH you're right.
And they'll use that to take outthe Pirates when the Pirates
finally make it through. Exactly.
Good point. Oh that's a great point.
I wish I could take that for that one.
I saw that one online as well but.
Well, but it always gets back toif you call attention.
Like I've always said, if you call attention to something, you
have to use it, which as Steven you pointed out, they called
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attention to the gun. They should hopefully use it
here on that atom. And it's weird that they
honestly use it in the other episodes.
So I think you're right, it has to be used in the finale.
I mean, the other possibility, like if we're going on that rat
route, rat, you know, Neil's entire story on that planet is
about him not wanting to fight. Another alternative could be
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maybe they you know, make peace with the pirates and offer them
a place and that's what bring let's them betray Jod.
Interesting. It's an interesting theory.
Yeah, I got, I got only theories.
I'm told the episode comes out which I'm very much looking
forward. To well, the good news.
Is. The episode premieres tomorrow
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as we're recording this and today maybe as you're listening
to this, so we don't have long to wait for the finale.
Season 1 finale of Skeleton Crew.
I think that about covers it up for this week.
Did we miss anything? Anything else we need to
discuss? No, I, I.
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Mean that was a lot for for 30 minutes, that was a lot that
happened. Yeah.
Well, with that, Tom, you want to lead us off with the ratings?
9 I loved it. I'm giving it a nine.
It's it's very hard to sit here and with all these episodes, I
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don't think any of my ratings went below, I'm going to say,
and I never got, don't think it even went this far.
None of my ratings went below A7because I've enjoyed every
single episode. And this one, I enjoyed this one
a lot. I've watched it like maybe five
times already. And I think with each episode, I
just love the storytelling, lovethe acting, and I think it just
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gets better and better and it answers parts of mysteries.
It still shows. It still has mystery, but it
keeps your attention for every single episode and I love this
show and this one still is giving you that hint where you
can't wait to see what the finalepisode's going to be and and
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what it's going to be and how it's going to end.
So I I'm loving this episode. So I am giving it a nine and
with my 9 womp rats, those nine womp rats are working so hard
inside the Onyx sender to put SM33 back together again with with
no ball it is. So they're trying hard to make
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sure that he's in the season finale and if they don't then
they got to walk the space plane.
So anyway, wow, that's it. Poor womp rats.
And you would be right. You never know.
Below a 7.5 actually, yeah. Yeah, I've I've really, really
enjoyed this show, but your. Average has been 8.5, so there
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you go. Well, it's it's great
storytelling. I'm not bored with these
episodes. Yeah, I think there was only the
one. Yeah, I think there was only the
one episode and it was the the Dallas Bryce Howard episode
where I brought up that it felt like a Filoni episode where it
had that that bit of a breather in it.
But it didn't last long. Every episode has just kept my
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attention and they've been great.
So yeah, I've done enough. Steven, why don't you go?
Oh, Steven, What? Would you?
What would you give this episode?
You would throw it straight at me.
I I see what you did, William. Honestly, I think I have to
agree with Tom. I have to give this one at 9.
Honestly, I'm tempted to go higher, but I think I'm just
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gonna stick there. But it was just a phenomenal
episode all around. Jude Law continues to carry the
show and man, he, like, just just carries it.
Every scene he was in. I think in this episode, he just
stole. We got to see the giant, the
pirate ship. We got a great space like flight
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sequence. Honestly, yeah, never mind.
I'm just gonna bump it up to 9.5.
Like this episode delivered on just about everything I could
have wanted from it. Phenomenal.
And my 9 1/2 womp rats were sitting on the sidelines as Jod
threatened the children and theywere just cheering him on, you
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know? Jeez, how cruel.
Yeah. Well, womp rats have been on the
bad end of the stick for a long time.
They saw an opportunity to, you know, party up with a pirate.
God offered them credits. They were they were on board.
I don't know what to tell you. And.
Let's be honest, they knew that if they they tried to intervene,
they were going to be in so muchtrouble, that is.
Also, yeah, good point. You wouldn't want to be with the
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kids because that would be. Yeah, yeah, I guess that that
just leaves it to me to to closethings out.
I really enjoyed this episode too.
I I think there are a few moments that felt a little
coincidental and I thought they could have like just just maybe
with some editing or something or a lot of dialogue polished
off just a little bit. But overall really fun.
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I loved the concept of like getting to learn more about the
barrier, seeing it at and well, there's nothing surprising at
all. This kind of what we expected.
For the most part, it was just really well done and really
solid and a very enjoyable episode.
So like you guys, I just continue to really enjoy this
this series, and I am sad that the finale is next week, but I
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can't wait to see how they resolve it.
So I'm actually going to give itan 8 point O and the 8 womp
rats. They are.
They're actually, you know, on their little, their little
hamster wheels basically to openup the secret landing pad and
and and raise it and lower it into the planet.
So all powered by womb rats. I mean, I explained why it
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lasted so long. Exactly.
Yep, renewable resource right there.
Exactly. Well, that about wraps things up
for this week. We only have one episode of
Skeleton Crew left and then our season finale recap.
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I cannot wait to see how this ends.
Tom Steven, as always, thanks for joining me and all of you
for listening. Will be back next week with our
review of Skeleton Crew One O 8,The Finale.
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Welcome to the Iron Cannon podcast.
I'm one of your hosts Steven andI'm joined by my friends and Co
host Tom and William and. Steven, I have to ask, did you
watch the episode? Yeah, I watched the episode.
If not, we're gonna be in so much trouble.
No. Well, can we just, we just cut,
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cut that and I'll we can I feel like I just, you know, kind of
stepped on the intro a little bit and.
No, that was. Beautiful, like my Thunder had
been stolen, you know, and I'm about to go find that.
Sorry, sorry to cut you off. That was.
Great. So tell us, William, what are we
talking about today? Well, before we get into that,
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you know, we do have a a small piece of news it there's a
report this week that Lucasfilm,of course, Ahsoka is going to be
season 2 is going to be shootingsoon and they have found their
new Balin skull in Rory McCann because she might know him as
the Hound in Game of Thrones, who will be replacing the late
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Ray Stevenson, who passed away after Ahsoka season 1 filmed.
I'm sure it's going to be hard to replace Ray Stevens and he
was such a phenomenal, such a phenomenal job as Balin's skull.
I'm not sure how I feel about Rory McCann, if I'm being
honest. He seems a little different from
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Balin. How do you guys feel about about
this change? I.
I mean, my experience with him is primarily from Game of
Thrones. I, I could see it Game of
Thrones, he always had a little bit more of like an anger
aloofness, but I think I could see that aloofness if, you know,
being tweaked a little bit and working pretty well for Baylin.
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I I'm cautiously hopeful. OK.
I'm I'm glad to hear you're optimistic.
Yeah, I, I have no experience because I please don't get on
me. I've never watched Game of
Thrones. Sorry.
I was, I was kind of hoping it was going to be.
I believe the actor's name is Liv Shriver, who played
Sabertooth. I think for the X-Men series I
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and even I I actually watched the Ahsoka series again from
beginning to end and I thought Ray Stevens did an outstanding
job. So good.
I know and it's so hard to thinkabout anybody who could replace
him. But but the only person that
came to mind was the actor Liv. I believe it.
It's pronounced Liv Shriver. Yeah, yeah, I guess.
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I mean, I guess it's good to know they are going to continue
Balin Skull's storyline because at the very end of Ahsoka, we
had that tease of him and finding like the statues of the
Mortis gods and everything. So we'll, we'll see, you know,
as always, we'll reserve judgement until we till we see
it. And it might be a phenomenal
casting. You know, Lucasfilm tends to
know what they're doing in most cases.
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So we will we'll see, you know, if, if not if, if, if it's not a
good choice, the Ahsoka is goingto be in so much trouble.
But, you know, otherwise we're good.
Yeah, no, he's got some really, really big shoes to fill.
Yes, he does. He does.
And with that, Tom, I think it'stime to talk about Skeleton
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Crew. What are we reviewing tonight?
God, this is a really good episode.
It's going to be Skeleton Crew Season 1 Episode 7.
We're going to be in so much trouble.
This was directed by Lee Isaac Chung and written by Christopher
Ford and John Watts. In this episode, our heroes have
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never felt further from home. Do you feel like this is an
intentional, like the synopsis was intentionally designed to
throw you off and think that you're that we're not getting to
add at in this in this episode? I I would be surprised if only
because I just feel like you know who reads synopsis before
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the episode starts. No, that's a good point.
Besides you, William. Fair, fair.
Well, it would be funny if this was actually on the crawl or
like what Clone Wars did at the beginning where they would have
like, you know, the little the fortune cookies.
Yeah, the fortune cookie. If that was at the beginning of
this episode, a lot of people would have been like, but, but
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wait a minute, they made it home.
But it's it was such a good episode.
I mean, to sit here and to see the parents really working on
trying to get a message to the kids and how they did it.
Each one of them had a piece to bring together for this little
little bitty probe in the middleof the forest and get caught by
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the droids. Yeah, you know, the, the cold
open with the, the the parents trying to, you know, basically
do a relay race with the the probe to save their kids.
Although this scene felt a little bit cheesy to me, just
with them like handing it off from 1:00 to another and getting
shot and handing it off to the next parent and getting shot.
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I'm being honest, it's a little bit cheesy, but you know, it's,
it's. I thought it worked.
OK, it worked though it worked. I I agree with Steven, but it
also worked because you did haveNeil's mother almost say the
word. I've got a back that.
Yeah. That, but that's what made it
work. They wouldn't let her finish it,
but I didn't care if it was cheesy because I, I, I agree.
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I thought it worked. I thought it was something that
I, I thought it was something the parents would do to make
sure that the probe got built and sent off.
Yeah, I just appreciate that Neil's mom just like grabs it
and starts going right like there was, there was no.
Hesitation. Just like Nope, this is this is
how it's going to happen. Yeah, didn't get far, but it was
a good time it. Was a valiant effort though, I I
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have to say. Well, somebody had to start it.
Yep, Yep. And so of course they're all
captured and, you know, later they are when we, we see the
sequence where they're, they're kind of taken in question by
the, the droids and they, they don't seem that upset because
they let them go very easily. When, when we'll talk about this
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more when, you know, the, the, the emissary arise, but they,
they kind of just let the parents go and don't really seem
to, to care all that much. But.
Steven, go ahead. I I actually don't yes, I took
it more as it was superseded by the kids returning, which I
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guess we'll get to, but like. Well, something's weird on.
That I guess the meta point. Right.
It wasn't so much the kids returning, it was the New
Republic emissary that was returning.
That's true. I guess they're let go before
they know the kids are there, right?
Right, right. Right.
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So it's a little weird like, oh,you tried to, you know, contact
outside the barrier, but who cares?
Because I mean, I feel like they'll just be like, yeah,
throw them in the Brig or something.
But again, some minor quibbles. I I, I enjoyed the episode
overall, but it was like, why are they letting him go that
easily? I don't, I don't know, I guess
for a story, from the story standpoint, it's easier to
reunite them with the the kids, but we're getting ahead of
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ourselves because first the kidshave to get back to Adatten and
it's kind of in question the whole time.
You know, I think we go into theepisode assuming that, oh, of
course they're going to get they're going to get home.
And you know, we get like the little calm before the storm
literally with, you know, the kids playing slap ball.
We finally get to see it after Neil mentions it in the fourth
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episode and. Classic.
Who hasn't enjoyed a good game of slap ball, you know?
Yeah, right in the ship. You know, it's a nice sequence
seeing the kids being kids and, and even, you know, they kind of
make up and look at this nice moment where Wim and Fern talk
and, you know, he, he kind of reiterates that he wishes
there's a little more of an adventure than he thought they
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would be signing up for. And Fern and even Neil tell him,
no, I, I'm glad we went on this,even though we're, our lives
were in danger and we're far away from home.
We're, I'm kind of glad that we,we went on this and it's, it's
kind of a nice moment. And let's not forget Neil did
say he almost died a few times. Exactly.
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Which racked me up. Any little kid would say that.
Yep, I mean he kind of almost did die a few times, but.
Yeah, but semantics here. OK, I thought it was.
Funny, yes. So then the, you know, around
the same time the kids are almost at at and then the
pirates, they they beat them there.
They get there first and the planet is surrounded by a toxic
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maelstrom and it's, you know, pretty, it's pretty, it seems
pretty unlikely that ad Aten that is actually ad Aten and
they they try to are they almostmake you think that maybe maybe
it's not Steven again, as our space enthusiast, what do you
think of this, this toxic maelstrom around ad Aten and
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what the parents do about it? I mean, their plan is a little
bit questionable. Again, we'll just fly something
in and see what happens. But you know, it's, I guess
you're, you don't become a pirate by being particularly
smart. Maybe.
I don't know. Are you allowed to say that?
In any case, I'm gonna go with it.
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But yeah, like I honestly, the thing I'm most impressed by is
the size of the maelstrom 'causewe now we see a little bit
later, it goes all the way around the planet and there's
like space in between. So that is like a massive amount
of maelstrom or like whatever. It's gotta be man made, right?
I mean, I assume so it looks like it's related to like
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whatever Old Republic station base set up.
I mean, we talked previously about, you know, the great work
and I guess this would kind of fit in with that.
Like this certainly feels like agreat work.
Yeah, like a giant maelstrom that's able to disguise a planet
and it it there's a lot of spacebetween the inside of the
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maelstrom and and we're literal space between the inside of the
maelstrom and and the the planet.
I mean, it's it's effectively kind of like Dyson sphere esque
if you're familiar with that concept.
Yep, Yep. That's exactly what I was
thinking. Yeah.
I don't know those those they don't build it like they used
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to. Actually.
I guess it works. That works in multiple ways this
episode. But yeah, just visually such a
fantastic. Like honestly about this
episode, I felt like the visualswere up a whole another notch.
Like the Maelstrom looks fantastic.
The vaults look at yeah, we'll get there.
We'll get. We'll get to the Vault.
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Yeah, the the maelstrom was, is interesting because the I
appreciated how the pirates, Brutus in particular, keeps
doubting JOD every step of the way, right, because he at the
end of the last episode, he said, hey, if you're, if you're
wrong and this is not at at and you were going to space, you
throw you at the iron lock. And now they arrive and it looks
like there's no ad and he's about ready to kill Jod and Jod
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makes the case it. No, no, it's you know, check the
logs And sure enough, the logs reveal that the planet is hidden
inside an endless storm. And so, you know, they they go
and they send someone in and youjust you think, oh, either
they're going to make it throughthese guys, we're going to find
out that. And no, the Glurb, the pirate
who volunteers to fly through the maelstrom blows up and his
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ship completely explodes as he'sgoing to check it out.
And again, you know, the piratesstart to not believe JOD again.
And then he realized, no, no, no, no, I know how to go
through. It's the Onyx Cinder.
And like, it's this constant back and forth and back and
forth that I, I kind of appreciate it with JOD.
He's constantly grasping at straws to to save his life, but
he's not wrong, at least in his.Theories.
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There's so many moments in this episode where I was just like,
oh, dude, Law is such a fantastic actor.
And like, I realize that's not, that's not news.
But like, watching him get in this scene in particular,
increasingly desperate. He knows he's right, but he just
got to figure out how to prove it right.
Just phenomenal. Yeah.
But it it also proves a point that he makes to where Brutus
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has always been a second in command, never really been a
leader. I mean, he's.
Been a leader since he's. But he's not he's, he doesn't
have the leader qualities. He he was leading, but he wasn't
because. Yeah, because look, look how
easy it is for Jod to manipulatethe pirates in every single
turn. Even though he's sitting there,
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you know, he's you know, he's right.
They're just about ready to space him.
And he's like, wait, wait, wait,wait.
And then one pirate never hits the button to to space him.
He could have done that. And yes, it is true.
The quick thinking of Jod alwayscoming up with there is a reason
why. Oh, wait a minute, This is why.
And you're looking at these pirates going, wait a minute.
He's making sense compared to Brutus.
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At some point they're going to turn on Brutus anyway.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, the one thing I never
quite I didn't quite understand is how Jod realized that the
Onyx sender is the key. I mean, I guess you could kind
of assume that since the ship survived.
I don't. Know.
I'd actually go a step further. I'm not sure that he did know.
You know what? I agree.
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With that. But the eager to guess to save
lives. What's the guy's name?
I never remember it. Captain Renaud, He knew Renaud
made it through, so clearly it was possible, but he didn't know
what it was. And I think he was just going
step by step trying to figure out like it's clearly possible
this ship could do it. Maybe there's something on the
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ship, maybe there's a signal, like that's how I interpreted
it. He didn't.
He had no idea. He just knew it is possible.
There is a way. SM33 if you listen closely SM 33
made one comment all the piratesmissed and I swear to God I
heard this where he sat there and said the ship looks
different without its armor. Yeah, and it did.
It looked pretty cool. I like the ship quite a bit.
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And it it was an interesting reveal a little bit later in the
episode that the Onyx Cinder is not a pirate ship.
It's actually a Republic Emissary vessel for Adatnan.
That's why it can come and go asit pleases, because it has all
the right codes, clearance codes, for lack of a better
word. That might have been one of my
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favorite details from this entire episode, just bringing so
much of it full circle. It's, you know, the effect.
It's effectively a couriership. It is.
I don't know, I just, I loved that detail.
And it explains the armor that was built around it, explains
kind of the autopilot that, you know, occurred when they, you
know, approached. What is it?
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AD Akron? Yeah.
Right. Do you think it was the pirates
that built another thing around it or was that the.
I would assume so, yeah. To disguise it and make it maybe
not so clear that they had stolen it, yeah.
Good point, never thought of it that way.
I'm curious. We'll find out.
And it explains why the the armor can can detach.
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It explains so much by. My my pet theory at the moment
is the reason 'cause I'm curiouswhy the Onyx Cinder thus crashed
on at at in the first time, and I'm suspicious it is because
there was extra armor on it. You know, like this is a finely
tuned machine that was attempting to come in for a
landing. You've thrown a bunch of weight
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on to it. Well, I mean we also knew that
the pirates there was a mutiny and captain team stabbed him in
the back, so that also may have caused the crash.
But yeah, no, it's AI like the theory, Yeah, but it's cool.
It explains a lot, explains why the ship looks so, you know,
spotless and clean on the, you know, once it gets once it
detaches the the outside. And yeah, it's cool.
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Like I'd love to learn more about exactly how it came about,
but it's a really cool concept. I have a feeling the only way
we're going to know that is me is me.
Me appears to know everything about it now that his memory has
been reopened, right so. It's me.
He's got to be a pirate Droid, right?
He's not. I think there's a chance he's
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actually, well, I mean, I still,I still have a theory that's me
is SM 33 is, is actually snowball that you know, 'cause
it's like SM33 gets he gets decapitated in this episode.
We'll talk about that later. Yeah, we'll get to that in a.
Minute Poor guy gets destroyed again, loses his head and I
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think the real SM 33 is snowball.
I think that's going to be the reveal next week.
Maybe I'm wrong and I. Think, sorry snowball, you're
saying is the rat. The rat yeah and then it it's
going to like it's controlling SM 33 and it's talking through
the that I don't like armor no II.
Well, no. OK, I I OK, I'm going to say
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this. I don't think I hate the idea,
but it would explain why that little rat is always within the
Droid. And what?
Yeah. And it would explain.
You know. Yeah, and and it would, it
would, it would explain a lot. But if that were the case, why
would SM 33 betray the kids in Reynolds Vault in the first
place? I think because, you know, it's
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still, he's still a pirate of sorts.
But but then again, but then again, in this episode, he does
kind of redeem himself a little bit later, which we'll get to
though. Yeah, who?
Who knows? It's yeah, who knows?
It's the cinder. The cinder arrives and is
immediately caught in the tractor beam, because of course
it is. Right.
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And we finally. Got a good look at the shit
note. Oh, sorry, but oh.
God it's a gorgeous shit. Yeah.
Are you talking about which are?You the the cinder and how the
the scale. We were just talking last week
about how it's hard to know how big it is.
It's actually not that big I think, but I was.
Just saying I love the pirate ship as well.
It's design was phenomenal. I love the giant hanger.
I just another A+ design for theshow.
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Yeah. It is, it is.
And, you know, we even get to know like the funny moment where
Jod and Brutus are arguing over who the crew loves more.
And there's a legitimately funnymoments, you know, like that The
the when they they order the thekids to disembark and the kids
grab Brutus with the lift claw. He's just, you know, it's great.
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And then even funnier when. I was going to say it's great,
but it gets even better when Jude Law really does some great
acting here. Oh he just shoots Brutus like
comes out of nowhere. Yeah.
Well, I know. Well, it comes out of.
Yeah, because I know. But it's just oh, so good.
But then also to have him turn around and just go look, take
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the ship. You're just going to find
nothing but four basically sniveling little kids that
scared little kids inside. Go ahead and take my ship.
Yep. And Captain Silver returns.
He starts wearing his helmet again.
It's it's kind of a nice, it's really cool.
It's cool to see Jod kind of coming back into his pirate
captain glory, I guess, for lackof a better word.
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Which I think gets to which getsto Jude Law's acting because if
you watch him throughout all these episodes, look at the
range of his acting where he canbe like on the kids side and be
like this carefree, let's almostsay a space kind of pirate of
Jack Sparrow. Not as crazy, but still that
kind of aloofness and being that.
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And then all of a sudden just atthis point, you see him just
turn into like a really cold blooded pirate.
Yes, he really is. Steven.
Steven. Go ahead, I.
Was gonna say Tom and I were joking before the episode
started. I was just the scene where, you
know, Jude Law is threatening the kids to stay quiet.
I just, I, I hear they didn't even like plan that He was just
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super angry at the kids after being on set with them all day.
They were messing with him and he just went to town.
They just happened to be rollingcamera and it just, you know,
cinema was made. That was but if, if that if
that's true, you would not have known.
OK. Thank you.
It's not true. To be clear, Tom, not at all.
True. Thank you but but.
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Steven stirring up the rumor mill.
I know God, Steven don't. That was a rumor, folks.
He did get me. It was a bad joke, but anyway,
but just the acting in that was just I even sat there and was
like no way that he turned that brutal right and that mad.
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Yep. No, go ahead.
No, I, I, I was going to agree, you know, and he, he just really
goes, he just shows how how evilis even threatening the kids
parents, right, because they, they, they pick up that they,
they pick up the com buoy that was set into space and
coincidentally the kids just happened to be near the com buoy
and they could pick up the message.
And it's it's the message was not all that interesting for the
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most part, but mostly just the kid parents being like, we love
you come back home. And part of me is like, yeah,
the kids wanted to come home. Of course they were trying.
They think maybe they didn't want to come home.
I don't know. It does tell them to seek out an
emissary, which I think. Which is the one piece of
information, yeah. Yeah, it it further underscores
that inside the barrier, they have no idea what's happened
outside the Galaxy. Right.
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Oh, right, they have no idea what exactly.
Yep, although it's weird. It's like seek out the emissary
and then they don't have to seekout an emissary because they're
living on an emissary ship and oh look, isn't that convenient,
Gray? Well, I mean, yes, but I I don't
think it's the emissary. I think it's an emissary.
Like my take was there are multiple.
Yeah. Right.
Do the the job or the business of the Republic, however you
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want to frame it. I agree.
But here's the thing, now that we know that time is so past
since at Aton, cause basically for Aton time for them has
basically stood still. They have no idea what happened
outside of of their planet. OK yeah.
Is there an actual emissary within the Republic that would
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know? This at this point, no, I'm
assuming yeah, they're they are all gone.
Yeah, I'm a series were you know, some some job.
What we at this point like probably 100 plus years ago that
no longer exists. No one remembers exists.
You know, we don't. I guess we don't really know how
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old Renaud's ship is. If it's it must not be Old
Republic era. I mean it sounds like he's
Renaud is relatively recent, although that ship was pretty
buried. Yeah, it's a little bit tricky.
And he is like, there is like the legend of Captain Renaud.
So that probably points at, you know, 50 plus years just on its
own. There's enough time for his
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hideout to be turned into a spa.Yeah.
True, true. But yeah, I mean, like, we know
it's been what it's, this is I think like 8 years, right?
7-8 years post, yeah, you know, post BBABY and then Blanello, 20
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years of the Empire. So it's been, you know, at least
28 years, probably much more. Been a while, yeah.
Especially, and especially if this dates back to the Great
Works, because that puts it what, 100 years before Phantom
Menace is that era? Roughly a couple, 200 to 200.
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Yeah, yeah. Any case, the point is it's been
a long time. There aren't any emissaries
anymore. Yeah.
Sure, they're gone, but but I, Imean, going back to your point
about Jude Law's acting, right, Jod, he threatens the kids and
he after seeing their parents onthe kombui, he basically
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threatens to kill them all if they don't go along with him.
And, and the plan, you know, Fern realizes they need to
escape and of course Wim goes all Leroy Jenkins and
immediately attacks everyone andis restrained.
And then we get this. I mean, they, they call back to
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the first episode, right, with the whole claimsies, unclaimsies
thing and A and a somewhat funnymoment when, you know, Jod and
Wim both realize that there's nocaptain on extender.
And so Jod covers Wim's mouth and claims it, and Fern tries to
call unclaimsies and of course that's not a thing.
But then SN 33 decides no, it totally isn't a thing, I'll just
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go along with it and just. Just.
Smack it a little bit, Tom, but it just very reminiscent of
like, well, the pirate's code ismore guidelines.
Than actual rule, yeah, yes. Perfect.
So I did enjoy that moment when SN 33, just like, I don't care,
I'm just going to go with it, unclaims.
He's sure you know it. It underscores how silly it is
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and childish. And yet SN 33 is like, I don't
care. I, I actually think it goes a
long way too towards like in thein this, the hallmark of amazing
droids in Star Wars, like it, itgives SM 33 a certain amount of
agency that lets him be, you know, a character that you can
love versus, you know, a Droid that is just cool.
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Right. Yeah, and he is really cool.
He's also cool. Yeah, he has a cool Droid.
Like what he does all of the above now.
Yep. In in this.
Posting SO no Steven, go ahead, finish.
It right just as the final comment, because I I loved that
Jod had his helmet back on as well, because his helmet looks
super cool, but just that that donk sound as SM33 lays him out
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is also just fantastic. Oh yeah, like you can.
You can hear the reverbation, reverberation, reverberation and
makes dude laws comment later like I have a splitting
headache. All the better because like you,
you heard it. Right.
And for me, the scene when they're sitting there saying the
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unclaims and all the other stuff, that's where I said it
seems like when you're watching this, in some cases, it's a kid
who's telling the story or it it's it's from that kid point of
view because you know, who, who,who would come up with something
that that other than a kid of that age and also whim just on a
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whim attack when Fern's saying we need a plan.
So yeah, I mean, it's just I, I,I just love the show from how
it's just how it is and the writing and that whole scene, I
think for me just encompasses that a good writing and good
acting. And Steve and I agree with you.
Seeing seeing God get that basically jaw almost broken
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wasn't for that helmet. It probably would have been.
That was pretty funny because out of nowhere, boom, he gets
laid out. Yeah, yeah.
Well, and then, you know, the SN33, he clears the ship of all
the pirates and they, the kids take the Onyx Ender and they fly
through the Maelstrom. And it is a beautiful scene.
And we started talking earlier, but it's just gorgeous.
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Gorgeous and a couple pirates have lost their life trying to
get through there. Yeah, and I I do appreciate the
moment too, because they it the reveal that like the Onyx Cinder
is immune isn't immediately apparent.
So it's not it like is it a, is it a given path that SM 33
knows, or what is it? And that that moment of like,
Nope, it's because this ship isn't, is literally immune to
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all of this, which I think worksreally well.
Yeah. Yep, and they make it.
They make it through and see Adatin their home for the first
time and then Jods aboard. OK so I I have to ask how did he
get aboard? I am so very confused.
I mean, I you see he is knocked outside and then I'm assuming he
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goes back up through like the landing struts or you know,
whatever. But doesn't he basically see the
Onyx sender start to fly off like he by the time he wakes up
he's outside the ship? It's my recollection is that it
lifted off, but it had not. It was lifting off.
Yeah, it hadn't left the. Hangar.
Yeah, yeah, it, it was lifting off.
Some quick thinking on his part.Yeah, too bad he wasn't pushed
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further away, right. But you know, then, then where
the story, where, where would the story have gone?
Because he wouldn't have been able to make the maelstrom
anyway. But that's when he decapitates
SM 33 and it happened so quicklyI forgot he even had a
lightsaber on him and we saw him, you know, ignite it 2
episodes ago. We didn't, we didn't see it
ignite, but we heard the sound effect that the, you know, the
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episode faded to black. But I'd forgotten that he had it
in his possession. And so it was a very.
I don't know about you guys. I was very surprised to see SM
33 just fall to the ground decapitated.
Yeah. Well, made the kid jump too.
Yeah. And and that that's that I think
is what really added to the scene is having that lightsaber
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come out, having SM 33 decapitated and then just the
brilliant acting of Jude Law at this point.
I I was joking about it, but like he really does such a
phenomenal job. Like it.
You can tell in that moment, allof the lies are gone.
This is just who he is and like we've been talking, you know,
does does he get there and then he helps the kids defend, you
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know, Adatin from the pirates. I don't think so anymore.
Like I I think this is the reveal that like Nope Jod Jod is
the villain. Like I.
Think he has to at this point, right?
Yeah, I don't think there is a. There's no coming back.
Yeah, there's no, there's no redemption from this one, No.
Maybe they'll try, but I kind ofhope they don't in some ways,
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because especially if only one episode left, it seemed it would
feel a little cheap to try to redeem him now He.
Seems pretty they they've been warned not to trust him.
Many times, yeah. So many times.
By multiple. People there, yeah.
There's no way. No way I would say there's any
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kind of redemption for him. Yeah, and I'll be honest, like
once, once he takes out SM 33 and they they start to to head
toward Adam, I thought that was going to be the end of the
episode. And it's a it's a pretty short
episode. It's only about 30 minutes long,
but it it also feels much longerthan the actual runtime.
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And not, yeah, not in a boring way, just in a oh, wow, it's
still going. I thought it was going to end
here. I thought it was going to end
here. And for 30 minutes, right, It it
packs a lot in. I was kind of surprised by the
end of it. Well, it was only 30 minutes.
I kept going and going in a goodway, in all the best ways
because then they had to Adatin.And we see the ship come in on
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autopilot and land back at home.The landing pad rises out of the
ground in the middle of the central square and it's like
people walking through the park basically like falling as the
ground lifts from under them. And it's a very cool scene.
I I loved seeing the arrival on at Aten and kind of everything
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that happens after that. Well, I think the first part of
the episode was very enjoyable. I thought the rest of it was
even better once they finally get to Aten.
How what do you guys think it's?Just like.
It's the joy of having mystery revealed, like, like you said,
like the last 20 minutes or so basically of the episode.
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Right. And it's not even surprising,
like there's not, there's no twist necessarily.
I, I would say that in this episode, except for the fact
that like the, the sudden deathsof, of characters, but like
there's no, it's all stuff that we, we kind of suspected and
knew about Adaten. And yet, just seeing it unfold
is so enjoyable. Yeah.
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You know, like eventually they, they, they land on the landing
pad and JOD meets the security droids and I tell him the
protocol requires he goes directly to the mint.
And of course he couldn't be more happy about that.
And so the, the landing pad descends into the ground.
You get this giant tunnel as they, they go through the,
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through the, the center of the, the planet to offload all of the
for the, the, the credits basically from the mint.
And you know, he, he still really wants to contact the
pirates, but I don't know why hecares about contacting the
pirates since if they think he'sthe emissary, he can kind of
come back as often as he wants and just take the money.
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Like why do you need the piratesin space?
But the kids are. So it's, it's risky for him to
assume he'll be able to come back like he and he's a pirate.
He thinks in terms of control, you know?
He's clearly not a trust guy, you know?
Right. We do hear, Tom.
I was. Going to say and also he is
there to pillage and he is thereto sit there and show proof to
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his pirate, you know his his pirate crew that he was right.
I mean this is the way for him to gloat.
Get a hold of my ship. When he returns back with a ship
full of credits, that's also pretty.
Pretty good for me. That's true, but but but you're
also looking at a smaller ship compared to what he had in
orbit. That's fair and he wants to be
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unload everything. That's right.
Again, his, I mean, I guess the final shot.
Well, no, it's not the final. Almost before the final shot,
you know, Jod C gets to go into the vault and there's a shot of
just him picking up the credits and then just pouring over him
and him laughing maniacally. Like I'm actually not sure what
word to use here, but I think more than anything in this
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moment, like this is who John is.
He is a greedy SOB who there is not enough money in the Galaxy
for him to be happy. And there's you got a little bit
during his rant at the kids. You know this idea that like the
kids don't know how good they had at growing up safe.
Like I, he is a man who clearly grew up with nothing and has
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decided that his karma is him getting all the money in the
Galaxy. And it's and so he.
Yeah. Yeah.
And so that, like that is that is his goal.
That is the mission. Like dear Point William, even if
he could come and go, I don't think he would because he he
wants the mint. He wants to print more of it for
himself. This is what he is here for.
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That's fair. He wants to conquer the planet,
not just leave with the money every once in a while.
But yeah, there is quite a bit. I mean, we find out there are, I
mean we see the the giant factory basically that that
prints the, the at the mint, that prints the, the Republic
credits. We see the we find out that
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there's 1139 vaults, a nice, youknow, one off reference from
1138 and there's yeah, tons and tons and tons of vaults on this
planet, all that are massive andfilled with public credits.
One of my favorite comments I think I've seen yet was someone
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was trying to do the math on howmuch money we see in this
episode. And they were, they were, I
think trying to compare it to like how much money is he?
What is the most money that's ever been shown on screen?
And this might have been it 'cause there's something like
one Republic credit, I think they were mapping to like 20 to
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$80.00 or something, you know, U.S. dollar somewhere in there.
Multiply that by the vault, the amount we kind of see in that
one vault, multiply that by the number of vaults.
And it was some absurd amount ofmoney.
It was like 400 billion or something crazy.
That's a. Lot of the point is adding their
rolling in it. Yeah, adding is loaded.
They're they're doing quite wellfor themselves I guess.
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Where did the I? I assume like a Republic credit
is made out of precious metal, right?
Probably. Maybe it's from the planet, but.
Yeah, so just maybe like the Republic found, you know, the 8
or 9 planets that were like, oh,this these planets have, I don't
know, gold cores, whatever it is.
Right. And like we're.
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Just gonna set up our mills there the.
Other thing I want to know is what what has the Mint been
doing all this time right there?They haven't talked to the
Republic for 40-50 hundred years.
I don't know, probably not 100 right now.
I would assume they they sometime during the old, you
know, they're in the before, like during the time of the
prequels they were still in communication.
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I would have to imagine. Well, I want to pin the answer
to that for a second, Will you OK?
I'm sorry you're getting to a broader question.
The immediate question I think is they've just been printing
money, right? I'm assuming like based on the
shot and what we see, like they're just, they fill up a
vault and when it fills, they dig out a new one and they they
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keep going and. There's like, they're not like,
I mean, nobody's come to pick itup in like 50 years.
Maybe we should pause until there seems to be more demand.
They're just like, or there's noone managing like the inflation
rate at all. They're just like, yeah, we'll
just keep printing money. We're good.
But I I think that brings us to the supervisor.
Like we we hear the supervisor for the first time as it
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announces that an emissary has arrived.
But like I noticed you said, there's.
No. Well, yeah, sorry, I'm getting
ahead of myself. But like there's no inflection
to it. It's just an emissary has
arrived. Please prepare for, you know,
like docking or whatever it might be.
And, and I believe he says you can stop your work too.
I mean, basically everything stops on the planet when the
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emissary arrives. No, but my yes, sorry, that too.
But my also interesting if if Tom, if you were responsible
for, I don't know, a vault, let's say, and your your job has
been to keep take care of it, presumably, like given how long
the plan's been out of content, like communication.
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Your your your parents are like you inherited the vault from
someone else. This is the first time an
emissary's returned in hundreds of years.
Probably are. Are you really just like, excuse
me, workers, the vault like an emissary has arrived.
Please head to the vault. Like the fact that there's no I
didn't sense any emotion to whatare supervisors saying makes me
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think it's not actually a person.
I think you're right. I think you are right.
Interesting. I think it's a Droid.
Interesting. The the other interesting.
Although, although, I guess to play devil's advocate here, the
Camanoans like Obi Wan Kenobi shows up after a very long time
and the cabin Owens are like pretty deadpan about it too.
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You know, they're like, oh, excited for you to see.
We hoped you'd be pleased and see the stuff.
Side note, the security droids also say we hoped you'd be
pleased and sound a lot like thecabin Owens in Episode 2.
But yeah, it's maybe that's it. But I, I think you're right.
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I do really believe it is a a Droid of some sort.
I'm, I'm gonna finish, even finish your thought because I'm
gonna throw something out at you'cause I was talking about this
with somebody about last week, about this.
I've been reading the the Silo series, which is also an Apple
TV series and it maybe it's justputting me in that frame of
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mind, but you know, there's a similar idea.
I'll try to be non spoilery justin case, but like it it is a,
you know, creating these environments and then the goal
is that the this self-contained environment continues on
indefinitely. Like how long can a society live
in a bottle? And Adam is very much gives me
that feel. You know, everyone takes their
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test that decides where they getplaced.
There are droids to enforce everything that are, you know,
theoretically neutral and an unseen supervisor who encourages
where everybody should be. That just feels like they it is
running autonomously, both figuratively and if there's a
Droid, I think literally. And it just keeps going and
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going and printing more money forever.
Interesting. I I'm taking this point of view,
I somehow think it's Techronaut.I think because and and I'm I'm,
I'm going to stick with this because what better way to
basically pillage and plunder a planet and have everything to
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yourself if you're the one that's actually ruling it and
you have all of this and it's all yours.
Yeah, I I guess I could don't. Care.
If somehow he was like coming and going from the planet
without anyone else knowing, I could kind of seeing it.
See it? Yeah, but then again.
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If you're a pirate, like, great,you now own all the money.
But like, why? I guess maybe, maybe it's right.
Now I'm going to convince myselfof your theory, Tom.
If you wanted to strike a contrast to Jod.
Renaud finds a planet that is arguably idealistic.
I don't know. I don't think it actually is,
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but it presents itself that way.And instead of taking the money,
he's like, actually, I'd rather just live in paradise.
Jod finds a paradise and he's like, no, I'd rather take the
money. It's a little bit tricky because
like, we didn't talk about this earlier.
I appreciated early on in the episode like Wim's greatest fear
about going back to the planet is like, oh man, I've got to
take my test. Which?
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You know, maybe not a great signof your society if you're that's
what your children are most worried about.
Solitary intended. I do think it's, I mean, it's an
interesting thing in the theory that it's red.
I don't think it is though. I think another data point that
suggests these supervisors a Droid is a comment that Jod
makes to one of these security droids.
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I don't know if you guys caught it.
They say the supervisor wants totalk with him and he says oh
good, the supervisor better thandealing with a Droid.
Yeah. Which means the supervisor is
definitely a Droid in my in my book.
I think you're right. Because there's the irony there.
Oh, better to deal with the supervisor than the Droid.
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Guess what? The supervisor is a Droid.
So. Yeah.
Joke's on you. Joke's on you.
So I I don't know. Yeah, I'm, I mean, we only have
one episode left. Like, do you think, do you think
there are further secrets to Adatin or is this?
Yeah, I 'cause I feel like the the reveal that the supervisors
of Droid is not, it's interesting, but it's not that
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big a reveal in and of itself, though.
That's the one, unless it's somebigger.
Meaning I would not be surprisedthat there are more secrets to
be billed. I don't know that we're gonna
uncover any of them though. Like, I don't know if they're
planning Skeleton Crew season 2,if that they even wanted to
leave room for that. I hope they do because it's been
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fantastic. But I I could see that being as
a something they leave, particularly around, you know,
the great works of the planet. Like, yes, we've got the vault,
but what else have they been doing?
But I I still, I still have a hard time even thinking, how
could they do? Yes, there's a bunch of secrets
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within the planet that they could explore, but they've set
up such a great world of these kids within that ship.
I don't know if the show could survive being on just the planet
for season 2. Yeah, it's it's a tricky concept
to to execute on twice. Yeah.
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I I think you might have to do. Yeah, it's tricky.
How would you? Well, we should talk about this
next episode after the show's actually done.
But yeah, a sequel does feel tricky to execute on.
Yeah. So, I mean, I mean, at the very
end, right, The parents arrive, there's a nice reunion, and then
JOD ignites his lightsaber and threatens the parents, just as
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he had originally said he might do.
Sorry I just keep forgetting howthat he literally tells Whim and
Neil like I will chop your parents into beds.
Like man, brutal. I really appreciate that they
went that way. And sorry, we didn't even talk
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about this, but can we appreciate like, the trauma
inherent in a Star Wars show where a blue lightsaber is being
swung around near a bunch of children, Like.
Threatening them. That's not the first time we've
seen something like. That that's my point, Tom.
Yeah. I really wanted it like it.
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It would make zero sense. I really wanted to be Anakin
Sabre, Justin. The weird way, like, Nope, this
Sabre is now somehow always finds its way into people who
like to kill children. Like, it's a little bit dark.
I'm sorry but. It's great.
Dark, so dark. But yeah, I mean, I guess what?
So what do you think will happennext week?
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Right, Because the, the ending did feel a bit abrupt to me.
John returns and then it's unclear why he threatens the
parents because the kids have been following along unless he
wants to kill them all and take all the money for himself or
something. But it it seems like they're
setting him up as the ultimate bad guy for the the the final
episode. OK.
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But here, here's Steven. Go ahead.
Sorry. I was going to say I I do think
it's possible he's a he doesn't know what the kids have told
their parents because he wasn't exome for the last 10 minutes.
I would not be surprised if he'salso trying to show off and
pretend like he's, you know, an emissary, you know, Jedi, which
presumed obviously the the parents would be aware of.
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I'm curious if we see him flip back into charming jawed at the
beginning of the next episode inan attempt to preserve his cover
before it falls apart. I guess it's possible.
And then it's possible, but now I have to look.
The droids have got the droids on that planet are going to have
to do something when it comes tothe job.
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What? I don't know, But they have no
problem stunning people. OK.
And at some point, somebody other than the parents and
hopefully something or maybe SM 33 is going to miraculously come
back to, you know, to life. But somebody's going to have to
blow his cover, make them realize he's not an emissary.
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If it's the kids telling the droids, if it's SM 33 or if
let's say the supervisor, if it is a Droid, there's a certain
code word that the emissary needs to say.
Because they can't just all of asudden give stuff to an emissary
even though he's on a ship without some kind of protection
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that it's going to the right person.
I mean, you would, you would hope.
I don't know that they I, I think the possession of the ship
seems to be sufficient, at leastbased on what we're seeing here.
But then now you have. It's hard not to get there,
right? Yeah but but now you have to
explain how did the ship crash on the planet in the 1st place
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with the original armor on it. I mean that either the armor
causes issues, which is what kind of my theory, or as William
suggested, it's just a result ofthe mutiny, which I think both
are feasible. My theory is we will not get an
answer for that next week. I think the the the mutiny is
maybe their answer and that's itI think.
I think SM 33 is alive again andprobably Snowball.
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I think John's the bad guy but maybe becomes good.
The supervisor is a Droid, but Idon't really know how that
reveal that translates into muchexcept for oh that's why I've
been printing money since forever.
I hope we get answers about Jod and why he can use the Force and
what his back story is. Part of me thinks maybe we
won't, but I kind of hope we do.I have a feeling we won't, and
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that or not more than maybe likea reference to him fighting
droids or something along those lines.
I still don't seem like be an inquisitor or something I.
Agree, I think it would be cool but.
And I think. The the other thing I saw is
maybe we've like they show established that at Akron and at
Aton are have similar layouts and there's a gun on top of the
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school at at. Akron, OH you're right.
And they'll use that to take outthe Pirates when the Pirates
finally make it through. Exactly.
Good point. Oh that's a great point.
I wish I could take that for that one.
I saw that one online as well but.
Well, but it always gets back toif you call attention.
Like I've always said, if you call attention to something, you
have to use it, which as Steven you pointed out, they called
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attention to the gun. They should hopefully use it
here on that atom. And it's weird that they
honestly use it in the other episodes.
So I think you're right, it has to be used in the finale.
I mean, the other possibility, like if we're going on that rat
route, rat, you know, Neil's entire story on that planet is
about him not wanting to fight. Another alternative could be
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maybe they you know, make peace with the pirates and offer them
a place and that's what bring let's them betray Jod.
Interesting. It's an interesting theory.
Yeah, I got, I got only theories.
I'm told the episode comes out which I'm very much looking
forward. To well, the good news.
Is. The episode premieres tomorrow
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as we're recording this and today maybe as you're listening
to this, so we don't have long to wait for the finale.
Season 1 finale of Skeleton Crew.
I think that about covers it up for this week.
Did we miss anything? Anything else we need to
discuss? No, I, I.
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Mean that was a lot for for 30 minutes, that was a lot that
happened. Yeah.
Well, with that, Tom, you want to lead us off with the ratings?
9 I loved it. I'm giving it a nine.
It's it's very hard to sit here and with all these episodes, I
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don't think any of my ratings went below, I'm going to say,
and I never got, don't think it even went this far.
None of my ratings went below A7because I've enjoyed every
single episode. And this one, I enjoyed this one
a lot. I've watched it like maybe five
times already. And I think with each episode, I
just love the storytelling, lovethe acting, and I think it just
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gets better and better and it answers parts of mysteries.
It still shows. It still has mystery, but it
keeps your attention for every single episode and I love this
show and this one still is giving you that hint where you
can't wait to see what the finalepisode's going to be and and
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what it's going to be and how it's going to end.
So I I'm loving this episode. So I am giving it a nine and
with my 9 womp rats, those nine womp rats are working so hard
inside the Onyx sender to put SM33 back together again with with
no ball it is. So they're trying hard to make
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sure that he's in the season finale and if they don't then
they got to walk the space plane.
So anyway, wow, that's it. Poor womp rats.
And you would be right. You never know.
Below a 7.5 actually, yeah. Yeah, I've I've really, really
enjoyed this show, but your. Average has been 8.5, so there
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you go. Well, it's it's great
storytelling. I'm not bored with these
episodes. Yeah, I think there was only the
one. Yeah, I think there was only the
one episode and it was the the Dallas Bryce Howard episode
where I brought up that it felt like a Filoni episode where it
had that that bit of a breather in it.
But it didn't last long. Every episode has just kept my
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attention and they've been great.
So yeah, I've done enough. Steven, why don't you go?
Oh, Steven, What? Would you?
What would you give this episode?
You would throw it straight at me.
I I see what you did, William. Honestly, I think I have to
agree with Tom. I have to give this one at 9.
Honestly, I'm tempted to go higher, but I think I'm just
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gonna stick there. But it was just a phenomenal
episode all around. Jude Law continues to carry the
show and man, he, like, just just carries it.
Every scene he was in. I think in this episode, he just
stole. We got to see the giant, the
pirate ship. We got a great space like flight
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sequence. Honestly, yeah, never mind.
I'm just gonna bump it up to 9.5.
Like this episode delivered on just about everything I could
have wanted from it. Phenomenal.
And my 9 1/2 womp rats were sitting on the sidelines as Jod
threatened the children and theywere just cheering him on, you
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know? Jeez, how cruel.
Yeah. Well, womp rats have been on the
bad end of the stick for a long time.
They saw an opportunity to, you know, party up with a pirate.
God offered them credits. They were they were on board.
I don't know what to tell you. And.
Let's be honest, they knew that if they they tried to intervene,
they were going to be in so muchtrouble, that is.
Also, yeah, good point. You wouldn't want to be with the
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kids because that would be. Yeah, yeah, I guess that that
just leaves it to me to to closethings out.
I really enjoyed this episode too.
I I think there are a few moments that felt a little
coincidental and I thought they could have like just just maybe
with some editing or something or a lot of dialogue polished
off just a little bit. But overall really fun.
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I loved the concept of like getting to learn more about the
barrier, seeing it at and well, there's nothing surprising at
all. This kind of what we expected.
For the most part, it was just really well done and really
solid and a very enjoyable episode.
So like you guys, I just continue to really enjoy this
this series, and I am sad that the finale is next week, but I
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can't wait to see how they resolve it.
So I'm actually going to give itan 8 point O and the 8 womp
rats. They are.
They're actually, you know, on their little, their little
hamster wheels basically to openup the secret landing pad and
and and raise it and lower it into the planet.
So all powered by womb rats. I mean, I explained why it
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lasted so long. Exactly.
Yep, renewable resource right there.
Exactly. Well, that about wraps things up
for this week. We only have one episode of
Skeleton Crew left and then our season finale recap.
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I cannot wait to see how this ends.
Tom Steven, as always, thanks for joining me and all of you
for listening. Will be back next week with our
review of Skeleton Crew One O 8,The Finale.
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